1 00:00:08,043 --> 00:00:11,403 SOMBRE MUSIC 2 00:00:13,603 --> 00:00:15,243 CROWD CHEERS 3 00:00:15,283 --> 00:00:17,763 'Right, Des, it's John Motson here.' 'Yes, John.' 4 00:00:17,803 --> 00:00:19,523 'We have a lot of people hurt here today. 5 00:00:19,563 --> 00:00:22,163 'I have to say, from my position up here, 6 00:00:22,203 --> 00:00:24,763 'it would appear serious injuries.' 7 00:00:24,803 --> 00:00:27,163 'In my view, the culprits of Hillsborough 8 00:00:27,203 --> 00:00:30,683 'were those yobs who turned up just before the match 9 00:00:30,723 --> 00:00:33,843 'and tried to force their way in and did force their way in. 10 00:00:33,883 --> 00:00:36,963 'They are responsible for the deaths of innocent people.' 11 00:00:37,003 --> 00:00:39,083 'The charge has been made 12 00:00:39,123 --> 00:00:41,083 'that there has been a cover-up - 13 00:00:41,123 --> 00:00:44,963 'an attempt to pervert the course of justice.' 14 00:00:45,003 --> 00:00:47,403 # Things 15 00:00:47,443 --> 00:00:50,243 # Can only get better 16 00:00:51,523 --> 00:00:54,603 # Can only get better... # 17 00:00:54,643 --> 00:00:56,403 Hey, there's a few going in. 18 00:00:56,443 --> 00:00:57,643 I know, it looks quite busy. 19 00:00:59,563 --> 00:01:02,083 WILD APPLAUSE 20 00:01:03,523 --> 00:01:05,763 CHEERING 21 00:01:05,803 --> 00:01:07,843 Up the Labour! 22 00:01:07,883 --> 00:01:09,843 'We have been elected 23 00:01:09,883 --> 00:01:14,283 'as New Labour and we will govern as New Labour.' 24 00:01:14,323 --> 00:01:15,803 There you go. 25 00:01:15,843 --> 00:01:18,083 New Labour, new inquests. 26 00:01:18,123 --> 00:01:20,843 Hey-hey! New Labour! 27 00:01:20,883 --> 00:01:22,883 'Because, as a party today, 28 00:01:22,923 --> 00:01:25,123 'we represent the whole of this nation.' 29 00:01:25,163 --> 00:01:26,483 CHEERING 30 00:01:33,603 --> 00:01:35,763 ANN: So the first thing to say is 31 00:01:35,803 --> 00:01:37,843 this is a judicial scrutiny. 32 00:01:37,883 --> 00:01:40,603 The New Labour government has appointed a senior judge 33 00:01:40,643 --> 00:01:42,643 to look over all the evidence again 34 00:01:42,683 --> 00:01:45,043 and assess whether there are grounds for new inquests. 35 00:01:45,083 --> 00:01:47,643 Well, we know there's grounds for new inquests. Hang on, hang on! 36 00:01:47,683 --> 00:01:49,523 This is Labour we're talking about. 37 00:01:49,563 --> 00:01:51,563 Different mindset, don't you think? 38 00:01:51,603 --> 00:01:53,883 But we'll take nothing for granted, OK? 39 00:01:55,083 --> 00:01:59,643 So, he's allocated three days for the families. 40 00:01:59,683 --> 00:02:01,883 What? Three days? DISCONTENTED MURMURS 41 00:02:01,923 --> 00:02:03,243 Doesn't sound like much. 42 00:02:03,283 --> 00:02:07,043 Each one, each family gets an individual slot 43 00:02:07,083 --> 00:02:08,763 to make their presentation. 44 00:02:08,803 --> 00:02:11,043 What about this judge - do we know any more? 45 00:02:11,083 --> 00:02:14,323 The Home Secretary has appointed Sir Murray Stuart-Smith 46 00:02:14,363 --> 00:02:16,923 to review all evidence that has not yet been presented 47 00:02:16,963 --> 00:02:20,043 at any of the previous inquests or inquiries, so there's the rub. 48 00:02:20,083 --> 00:02:22,083 It has to be new evidence. 49 00:02:22,123 --> 00:02:24,163 Labour wants this looked at again. 50 00:02:24,203 --> 00:02:26,243 We just need to provide them with the ammo. 51 00:02:26,283 --> 00:02:27,523 So let's get to it. 52 00:02:27,563 --> 00:02:30,803 We don't give Stuart-Smith any choice but to order new inquests. 53 00:02:30,843 --> 00:02:32,763 You're right. Yeah. 54 00:02:32,803 --> 00:02:34,523 Come on. OK. Good. 55 00:02:37,123 --> 00:02:38,803 Dad? 56 00:02:38,843 --> 00:02:40,243 What's it like? 57 00:02:40,283 --> 00:02:41,603 Living on your own? 58 00:02:41,643 --> 00:02:43,043 It's... 59 00:02:43,083 --> 00:02:44,203 It's different. 60 00:02:44,243 --> 00:02:46,003 Don't you ever get lonely? 61 00:02:46,043 --> 00:02:48,123 At first, I did, yes. 62 00:02:49,163 --> 00:02:51,123 But I didn't think it was going to last forever. 63 00:02:52,683 --> 00:02:54,803 I missed my little mophead, didn't I, eh? 64 00:02:56,483 --> 00:02:57,763 And I still do. 65 00:02:59,443 --> 00:03:01,123 Why do you ask? 66 00:03:01,163 --> 00:03:03,803 Ever since high school, 67 00:03:03,843 --> 00:03:06,043 I've been Kevin's sister. 68 00:03:09,963 --> 00:03:11,203 I dunno, I... 69 00:03:12,523 --> 00:03:15,803 I just want to do something for myself, you know? Just be me. 70 00:03:17,523 --> 00:03:19,803 Is that awful? No, love. No. 71 00:03:19,843 --> 00:03:21,323 It's normal. 72 00:03:25,443 --> 00:03:26,603 Have you told your mother? 73 00:03:26,643 --> 00:03:28,323 No! It's like... 74 00:03:28,363 --> 00:03:31,683 she senses what's coming every time I pluck up the courage. 75 00:03:31,723 --> 00:03:33,403 You're 18, love. Nearly 18. 76 00:03:33,443 --> 00:03:36,723 So you can make your own decisions, then, can't you? 77 00:03:36,763 --> 00:03:37,883 Hm? 78 00:03:39,363 --> 00:03:41,803 You are entitled to your own life, darling. 79 00:03:44,763 --> 00:03:46,203 Sheila? 80 00:03:46,243 --> 00:03:48,203 Sorry I'm late. I got a bit lost. 81 00:03:48,243 --> 00:03:49,323 Are you all right? 82 00:03:50,643 --> 00:03:52,363 He's got his offices here? 83 00:03:52,403 --> 00:03:54,603 I did tell you, Elkan's a bit different. 84 00:03:54,643 --> 00:03:56,203 Come on! 85 00:03:56,243 --> 00:03:58,003 Time to get you a new solicitor. 86 00:04:01,883 --> 00:04:03,443 Thanks. 87 00:04:03,483 --> 00:04:05,003 There you go. Thank you. 88 00:04:05,043 --> 00:04:07,963 I've followed your case since The Cook Report, now. 89 00:04:08,003 --> 00:04:11,243 And even then, your evidence stood out as being so strong. 90 00:04:11,283 --> 00:04:12,443 I remember saying to my wife, 91 00:04:12,483 --> 00:04:14,283 "Let's see how they wriggle out of this one." 92 00:04:14,323 --> 00:04:17,723 Elkan was the first lawyer to sue the police after the Toxteth riots. 93 00:04:17,763 --> 00:04:19,243 Well, I don't know if I was the first, 94 00:04:19,283 --> 00:04:21,483 but thanks, anyway. There are similarities, though, 95 00:04:21,523 --> 00:04:22,963 aren't there, with our case? 96 00:04:23,003 --> 00:04:25,003 The police seem to think they're unaccountable. 97 00:04:25,043 --> 00:04:26,363 We have to make them think again. 98 00:04:26,403 --> 00:04:27,763 There, I do agree. Listen, 99 00:04:27,803 --> 00:04:30,443 whoever represents you when you meet Stuart-Smith... 100 00:04:30,483 --> 00:04:33,123 I really do think the role of the West Midlands Police 101 00:04:33,163 --> 00:04:34,843 needs to be looked at much more closely. 102 00:04:34,883 --> 00:04:37,163 And, well, as it turns out, their investigation 103 00:04:37,203 --> 00:04:39,603 wasn't quite as thorough as it should have been. 104 00:04:39,643 --> 00:04:41,003 Well, I think... 105 00:04:41,043 --> 00:04:42,803 there's grounds for new inquests. 106 00:04:44,883 --> 00:04:46,523 ANNE MUTTERS TO HERSELF 107 00:04:46,563 --> 00:04:49,163 MUSIC: 'Seabird' by The Alessi Brothers 108 00:04:49,203 --> 00:04:53,243 # You've been away from land Too long 109 00:04:53,283 --> 00:04:55,603 # Far too long... # 110 00:04:55,643 --> 00:04:58,323 Whoa, whoa, whoa - don't stand on those! 111 00:04:58,363 --> 00:04:59,763 That's Kev's body file. 112 00:04:59,803 --> 00:05:01,323 His body file? 113 00:05:01,363 --> 00:05:03,523 What's in it? Everything. 114 00:05:03,563 --> 00:05:05,483 Witness statements, photos, 115 00:05:05,523 --> 00:05:07,883 Kev's continuity chart from the first inquest. 116 00:05:07,923 --> 00:05:09,563 You know, all his movements on the day. 117 00:05:09,603 --> 00:05:12,643 Mum, I... They want everything new, anything that wasn't seen 118 00:05:12,683 --> 00:05:14,243 at any of the previous inquiries. Mum! 119 00:05:14,283 --> 00:05:16,683 Can I talk to you about something? 120 00:05:16,723 --> 00:05:18,603 Of course. 121 00:05:23,803 --> 00:05:25,163 I found a flat. 122 00:05:26,363 --> 00:05:27,643 Who for? 123 00:05:32,323 --> 00:05:33,803 You're moving out? 124 00:05:37,243 --> 00:05:38,323 Oh. 125 00:05:38,363 --> 00:05:40,643 Well, our Mike's still here, you won't be on your own. 126 00:05:40,683 --> 00:05:42,723 Well, your dad won't be very happy. 127 00:05:44,163 --> 00:05:46,003 Oh, right. 128 00:05:46,043 --> 00:05:49,483 Oh, thanks, Steve. Dad thinks it'll do me good. 129 00:05:49,523 --> 00:05:50,843 Yeah, well... 130 00:05:50,883 --> 00:05:52,163 You dad's right. 131 00:05:52,203 --> 00:05:53,763 You know, love. You just... 132 00:05:53,803 --> 00:05:55,763 You just do whatever you need to, eh? 133 00:05:55,803 --> 00:05:57,203 Mum... 134 00:05:57,243 --> 00:05:58,843 Come on. 135 00:06:02,363 --> 00:06:03,923 I'm sorry, love. 136 00:06:05,283 --> 00:06:07,403 I'm not cross. 137 00:06:08,723 --> 00:06:10,923 I'm just not ready to let you go yet! 138 00:06:10,963 --> 00:06:13,203 Come here! Mum! 139 00:06:13,243 --> 00:06:14,723 Ohh... 140 00:06:17,163 --> 00:06:18,523 Go on, you. 141 00:06:18,563 --> 00:06:20,883 Go and find me Dr West's report, will you? 142 00:06:23,323 --> 00:06:24,483 What? 143 00:06:38,323 --> 00:06:41,283 'Families of those who died at Hillsborough have campaigned 144 00:06:41,323 --> 00:06:43,563 'for years for a fresh inquiry into the disaster. 145 00:06:43,603 --> 00:06:47,803 'Meetings over the next three days could be their best chance yet. 146 00:06:47,843 --> 00:06:51,083 '16 families will present what they say is a compelling case 147 00:06:51,123 --> 00:06:52,443 'for a new inquiry 148 00:06:52,483 --> 00:06:55,283 'into the circumstances leading to the Hillsborough disaster.' 149 00:07:04,443 --> 00:07:05,923 God, so many journalists. 150 00:07:05,963 --> 00:07:07,523 Morning. 151 00:07:07,563 --> 00:07:08,843 Pleased to meet you. 152 00:07:08,883 --> 00:07:12,123 Hiya, Sir Murray. Anne Williams. Oh, dear, your hands are very cold. 153 00:07:12,163 --> 00:07:14,003 Well, I've had a very long wait, Sir Murray. 154 00:07:14,043 --> 00:07:16,123 Do you have some of your people here? 155 00:07:16,163 --> 00:07:18,643 Or are they like the Liverpool fans, 156 00:07:18,683 --> 00:07:20,603 they turn up at the last minute? 157 00:07:23,043 --> 00:07:24,523 Did you hear that? 158 00:07:24,563 --> 00:07:26,243 He serious? 159 00:07:30,843 --> 00:07:32,403 Well, sir, incomplete evidence 160 00:07:32,443 --> 00:07:34,763 would be the first thing we'd want you to look at. 161 00:07:34,803 --> 00:07:37,403 Not just from PC Bruder and WPC Martin, 162 00:07:37,443 --> 00:07:40,643 but from members of the Ambulance Service, 163 00:07:40,683 --> 00:07:42,123 reputable pathologists... 164 00:07:42,163 --> 00:07:45,003 all of whom had their evidence ignored, 165 00:07:45,043 --> 00:07:47,723 or misunderstood, too. 166 00:07:47,763 --> 00:07:50,483 Following on from this is the coroner's decision 167 00:07:50,523 --> 00:07:55,043 to deem evidence after 3:15pm irrelevant and inadmissible. 168 00:07:55,083 --> 00:08:00,723 We strenuously resist the 3:15 cut-off, sir. 169 00:08:00,763 --> 00:08:03,323 It means evidence Kevin might have been alive after that 170 00:08:03,363 --> 00:08:04,963 has not been properly considered. 171 00:08:05,003 --> 00:08:07,603 Dr West says Kevin died 172 00:08:07,643 --> 00:08:10,243 from damage to the airways 173 00:08:10,283 --> 00:08:13,563 providing oxygen to the lungs - it's treatable. 174 00:08:13,603 --> 00:08:18,443 Treatable if the necessary medical resources are available. 175 00:08:18,483 --> 00:08:22,523 We contend that Kevin could have been saved, summary. 176 00:08:22,563 --> 00:08:26,603 So what Dr West is saying is if a tracheotomy had been performed, 177 00:08:26,643 --> 00:08:29,203 it's possible that it might have saved his life. 178 00:08:29,243 --> 00:08:31,403 Yes, and, sorry, can I just point out 179 00:08:31,443 --> 00:08:33,883 that Dr Slater, who did the post-mortem, 180 00:08:33,923 --> 00:08:37,083 he put down Kevin's injuries as chest injuries? 181 00:08:37,123 --> 00:08:39,443 That was on the Form 99. Now, that was wrong. 182 00:08:39,483 --> 00:08:43,603 We wrote to the coroner and pointed this out and, well... 183 00:08:43,643 --> 00:08:47,603 then, Dr Slater, he then rectified his mistake. 184 00:08:47,643 --> 00:08:50,443 But I understand Dr Slater hasn't changed his opinion 185 00:08:50,483 --> 00:08:53,443 of Kevin's cause of death? Yes, sir, that's correct. 186 00:08:53,483 --> 00:08:55,643 But if he was wrong about that, 187 00:08:55,683 --> 00:08:58,283 then what else could he be wrong about? 188 00:08:58,323 --> 00:09:02,043 If we can just look at what happened after 3:15, 189 00:09:02,083 --> 00:09:05,403 then, you see, it throws up a whole range of questions. 190 00:09:05,443 --> 00:09:07,523 I mean, why wasn't there somebody there 191 00:09:07,563 --> 00:09:09,323 who could perform a tracheotomy? 192 00:09:09,363 --> 00:09:11,723 I mean, why wasn't there more ambulances? 193 00:09:11,763 --> 00:09:15,883 And why is PC Bruder's evidence not being given the credence... 194 00:09:15,923 --> 00:09:18,043 well, it so clearly deserves? 195 00:09:18,083 --> 00:09:21,003 The police heard over 3,500 statements. 196 00:09:21,043 --> 00:09:23,683 And the coroner had to select which witness to call, 197 00:09:23,723 --> 00:09:25,123 which witness to summarise... 198 00:09:25,163 --> 00:09:27,883 So the mere fact that a witness came to light now 199 00:09:27,923 --> 00:09:29,763 whose evidence was not called, 200 00:09:29,803 --> 00:09:31,203 or was not summarised, 201 00:09:31,243 --> 00:09:34,363 does not seem to me to necessarily give rise to the inference 202 00:09:34,403 --> 00:09:37,963 that it was improper. It seems to me that... 203 00:09:38,003 --> 00:09:39,403 well, there's an argument 204 00:09:39,443 --> 00:09:41,923 that one should at least follow the paper trail. 205 00:09:41,963 --> 00:09:45,203 All the evidence should be investigated. 206 00:10:04,043 --> 00:10:06,043 I don't wish to jump to conclusions, 207 00:10:06,083 --> 00:10:07,323 Mrs Williams. 208 00:10:08,923 --> 00:10:10,443 It may be at the end of the day 209 00:10:10,483 --> 00:10:13,123 that I'm not able to recommend fresh inquests. 210 00:10:14,283 --> 00:10:15,603 But, 211 00:10:15,643 --> 00:10:18,963 I might be able to ascertain with a greater clarity... 212 00:10:19,003 --> 00:10:21,763 what happened to Kevin in the last three quarters of an hour. 213 00:10:21,803 --> 00:10:23,803 Look, I KNOW what happened to Kevin. 214 00:10:23,843 --> 00:10:26,123 I have tracked EVERYBODY down. 215 00:10:26,163 --> 00:10:30,203 I have spoken to all those people. You know, I have spent... 216 00:10:30,243 --> 00:10:33,163 hours and hours with forensic pathologists... 217 00:10:33,203 --> 00:10:34,803 That might well be so. 218 00:10:36,883 --> 00:10:38,043 Please. 219 00:10:38,083 --> 00:10:40,163 Sir Murray, you know... 220 00:10:40,203 --> 00:10:43,883 this is all I have left now of my son, his memories. 221 00:10:46,603 --> 00:10:48,723 Please. Look at him. 222 00:10:48,763 --> 00:10:50,003 HE CLEARS HIS THROAT 223 00:10:52,723 --> 00:10:54,443 Let me put my son to rest. 224 00:10:56,283 --> 00:10:58,123 Grant us a new inquest. 225 00:11:01,603 --> 00:11:03,043 You did brilliantly there. 226 00:11:04,323 --> 00:11:08,283 Um, you go on, I'll catch you outside. OK. 227 00:11:13,643 --> 00:11:15,043 PC Bruder... 228 00:11:15,083 --> 00:11:17,323 Mrs Williams! Hello! 229 00:11:17,363 --> 00:11:19,003 Hiya! 230 00:11:19,043 --> 00:11:22,243 Well, I'm... I'm so glad they called you in. 231 00:11:23,443 --> 00:11:24,563 They didn't. 232 00:11:24,603 --> 00:11:26,283 What? Nobody got in touch. 233 00:11:26,323 --> 00:11:29,003 I read about it in the Echo and wrote to the judge myself. 234 00:11:29,043 --> 00:11:30,883 Well, in that case, 235 00:11:30,923 --> 00:11:32,523 even more thanks. 236 00:11:32,563 --> 00:11:34,123 Here y'are... 237 00:11:38,963 --> 00:11:40,603 What's he like? 238 00:11:40,643 --> 00:11:43,683 Well, he's a bit scary at first, but... 239 00:11:43,723 --> 00:11:45,443 he does listen. Just... 240 00:11:45,483 --> 00:11:47,523 Don't let him talk down to you. 241 00:11:47,563 --> 00:11:49,043 No, I won't. 242 00:11:50,603 --> 00:11:52,083 I'll just tell him the truth. 243 00:11:53,683 --> 00:11:55,163 Thank you. 244 00:11:55,203 --> 00:11:56,523 I mean it. 245 00:11:58,003 --> 00:11:59,243 I told you I would. 246 00:11:59,283 --> 00:12:00,843 I know, it's just... Well... 247 00:12:02,163 --> 00:12:05,003 It's not very often people do what they say they're gonna do. 248 00:12:06,163 --> 00:12:07,523 PC Bruder? 249 00:12:07,563 --> 00:12:08,683 Yep. 250 00:12:08,723 --> 00:12:10,683 This way, please. 251 00:12:11,883 --> 00:12:13,483 Good luck. Thanks. 252 00:12:15,203 --> 00:12:16,763 See ya. See ya. 253 00:12:24,203 --> 00:12:26,403 HORN HONKS OUTSIDE 254 00:12:26,443 --> 00:12:27,763 I suppose I'd... 255 00:12:29,203 --> 00:12:30,363 ..better... 256 00:12:31,403 --> 00:12:32,843 CAR DOOR CLOSES 257 00:12:32,883 --> 00:12:34,483 ..or I'll never leave! 258 00:12:38,363 --> 00:12:40,123 I'm always here for you. 259 00:12:40,163 --> 00:12:41,483 Don't. 260 00:12:43,323 --> 00:12:44,483 Sara, are you ready? 261 00:12:44,523 --> 00:12:45,523 Yeah, one sec. 262 00:12:47,603 --> 00:12:48,963 Come on. 263 00:12:51,283 --> 00:12:52,603 You know, and... 264 00:12:52,643 --> 00:12:53,923 Well, your room's always there. 265 00:12:57,643 --> 00:12:58,923 I love you. 266 00:12:58,963 --> 00:13:00,083 I love you. 267 00:13:03,203 --> 00:13:04,643 Right. Go on. 268 00:13:13,963 --> 00:13:15,323 DOOR CLOSES 269 00:13:26,603 --> 00:13:28,203 ENGINE STARTS 270 00:13:28,243 --> 00:13:29,883 CAR PULLS AWAY 271 00:13:34,363 --> 00:13:35,803 SNIFFLES 272 00:14:01,843 --> 00:14:03,603 HUSHED CONVERSATION 273 00:14:06,603 --> 00:14:07,763 Good afternoon. 274 00:14:10,723 --> 00:14:14,123 And may I simply start by thanking you all 275 00:14:14,163 --> 00:14:16,763 for making the journey down once more? 276 00:14:18,643 --> 00:14:23,443 Our objective in ordering this extensive scrutiny 277 00:14:23,483 --> 00:14:26,403 was to assess the quality 278 00:14:26,443 --> 00:14:28,523 of any new evidence 279 00:14:28,563 --> 00:14:30,963 and whether that evidence 280 00:14:31,003 --> 00:14:34,923 is significant enough to order new inquiries 281 00:14:34,963 --> 00:14:37,363 into the deaths of your loved ones. 282 00:14:38,603 --> 00:14:42,443 Lord Stuart-Smith has presided over a prolonged 283 00:14:42,483 --> 00:14:45,163 and very diligent process. 284 00:14:48,163 --> 00:14:51,523 So I am genuinely sorry... 285 00:14:51,563 --> 00:14:52,803 GASPS 286 00:14:52,843 --> 00:14:55,763 ..not to be able to give you the outcome I know 287 00:14:55,803 --> 00:14:57,963 you all so dearly hoped for. 288 00:14:58,003 --> 00:15:02,803 This has been a thorough and impartial process, 289 00:15:02,843 --> 00:15:05,123 handled with great care. 290 00:15:05,163 --> 00:15:08,043 And as you are all well aware, 291 00:15:08,083 --> 00:15:10,963 the standard of evidence required 292 00:15:11,003 --> 00:15:13,163 is significant. 293 00:15:13,203 --> 00:15:15,763 ANGRY EXCLAMATIONS 294 00:15:20,163 --> 00:15:22,043 You have my sympathies. 295 00:15:22,083 --> 00:15:24,203 ANGRY SHOUTS 296 00:15:31,363 --> 00:15:33,683 INAUDIBLE 297 00:15:37,443 --> 00:15:38,963 It's a stitch-up. 298 00:15:40,283 --> 00:15:42,323 Lip service from start to finish. 299 00:15:45,843 --> 00:15:47,083 'Angry Hillsborough families 300 00:15:47,123 --> 00:15:50,083 'were told of Mr Straw's decision in a private meeting 301 00:15:50,123 --> 00:15:51,563 'with the Home Secretary, 302 00:15:51,603 --> 00:15:54,083 'and did not stay in the Commons for his statement. 303 00:15:54,123 --> 00:15:56,123 'There was to be no new public inquiry, 304 00:15:56,163 --> 00:15:58,443 'no new inquest, no new action 305 00:15:58,483 --> 00:16:01,123 'by the Director of Public Prosecutions.' 306 00:16:01,163 --> 00:16:02,683 It's a sad day for the families, 307 00:16:02,723 --> 00:16:07,283 and we think it's an exceptionally sad day for Britain. 308 00:16:07,323 --> 00:16:09,683 We say, New Labour, new cover-up. 309 00:16:12,403 --> 00:16:13,643 We asked for that. 310 00:16:16,043 --> 00:16:18,643 We've been way too passive since Labour got in. 311 00:16:20,243 --> 00:16:21,403 We just sat there... 312 00:16:23,163 --> 00:16:26,163 ..and expected justice to take its course. 313 00:16:27,243 --> 00:16:29,803 Different party, same message. 314 00:16:29,843 --> 00:16:32,243 It's not just today, it's everywhere. 315 00:16:32,283 --> 00:16:33,963 "Football fans are scum." John... 316 00:16:34,003 --> 00:16:35,483 No, he's right, Teresa. 317 00:16:35,523 --> 00:16:36,963 It's how most people think. 318 00:16:37,003 --> 00:16:39,603 There's a part of them thinks we deserve this. 319 00:16:39,643 --> 00:16:42,243 Let's take this as our wake-up call. 320 00:16:42,283 --> 00:16:44,523 We need to embrace the survivors 321 00:16:44,563 --> 00:16:46,203 in the fight for justice. 322 00:16:47,443 --> 00:16:49,123 I think we need a brand-new start. 323 00:16:49,163 --> 00:16:50,803 When we get home, 324 00:16:50,843 --> 00:16:54,763 we need to tap into the energy and the anger 325 00:16:54,803 --> 00:16:57,203 of all those people who've got in touch over the years 326 00:16:57,243 --> 00:16:58,803 who were desperate to get involved. 327 00:16:58,843 --> 00:17:00,483 I mean it, now's the time. 328 00:17:02,923 --> 00:17:04,363 We need a new group. 329 00:17:29,043 --> 00:17:31,883 ON TV: 'I've never been any good at telling people what to do.' 330 00:17:31,923 --> 00:17:34,123 'Don't be so wet - just get on with it! 331 00:17:37,603 --> 00:17:39,483 'Was that necessary?' 'Well... 332 00:17:39,523 --> 00:17:41,403 'Girl would try the patience of a saint.' 333 00:17:41,443 --> 00:17:43,203 Oh, good. 334 00:17:43,243 --> 00:17:45,563 Got yourself something to eat. 335 00:17:45,603 --> 00:17:47,403 I've saved you some there. 336 00:17:47,443 --> 00:17:48,843 I'm all right, love. 337 00:17:48,883 --> 00:17:50,203 I had a butty on the train. 338 00:17:58,603 --> 00:18:00,043 I'm sorry, you know. 339 00:18:02,923 --> 00:18:04,243 Honestly, love... 340 00:18:05,923 --> 00:18:07,283 ..I'm done with it. 341 00:18:08,723 --> 00:18:09,963 I think. 342 00:18:11,443 --> 00:18:12,843 I don't know. 343 00:18:14,483 --> 00:18:17,723 I am this close to packing it all in. 344 00:18:25,163 --> 00:18:26,563 Are you OK, love? 345 00:18:26,603 --> 00:18:27,843 Yeah. 346 00:18:27,883 --> 00:18:29,003 Yeah, I'm sound. 347 00:18:31,443 --> 00:18:33,003 Are you sure, love? 348 00:18:37,803 --> 00:18:39,683 I've been so wrapped up in all this... 349 00:18:41,603 --> 00:18:43,163 Can't have been easy for you. 350 00:18:43,203 --> 00:18:45,603 Oh, don't - pack it in, Mum. 351 00:18:45,643 --> 00:18:47,963 I don't need to know all the details, 352 00:18:48,003 --> 00:18:49,683 and I REALLY don't want to talk about it 353 00:18:49,723 --> 00:18:52,363 day in and day out, but I'm glad you're doing it. 354 00:18:52,403 --> 00:18:53,603 I am. 355 00:18:56,203 --> 00:18:57,523 I'm proud of you. 356 00:19:14,803 --> 00:19:16,123 Mum! 357 00:19:16,163 --> 00:19:17,443 It's all set up. 358 00:19:17,483 --> 00:19:18,803 Right! 359 00:19:26,323 --> 00:19:28,043 Wow! 360 00:19:28,083 --> 00:19:29,963 Go on, have a mess! 361 00:19:35,923 --> 00:19:37,363 KEYS TAP 362 00:19:44,243 --> 00:19:45,803 And now, the good bit. 363 00:19:48,843 --> 00:19:50,363 PRINTER WHIRS 364 00:19:55,723 --> 00:19:56,883 Brilliant! 365 00:19:56,923 --> 00:19:58,923 So you can write as many letters as you want now! 366 00:19:58,963 --> 00:20:01,563 Who says I'm writing letters? 367 00:20:15,723 --> 00:20:17,043 River! 368 00:20:17,083 --> 00:20:18,403 DOG BARKS 369 00:20:19,603 --> 00:20:21,163 Come on. 370 00:20:21,203 --> 00:20:23,323 I was tired of it all. 371 00:20:23,363 --> 00:20:26,243 I just wanted people to hear it, you know? 372 00:20:26,283 --> 00:20:28,083 All the evidence we found, 373 00:20:28,123 --> 00:20:29,603 everything we'd been through - 374 00:20:29,643 --> 00:20:31,203 so I put it all down in a book. 375 00:20:31,243 --> 00:20:33,723 I've called it When You Walk Through The Storm. 376 00:20:35,083 --> 00:20:36,323 That's nice. 377 00:20:37,683 --> 00:20:40,523 So, are you going to grace the new group with your presence, madam? 378 00:20:41,963 --> 00:20:44,643 I like the name, Hillsborough Justice Campaign. 379 00:20:44,683 --> 00:20:46,163 It's good, isn't it? Yeah. 380 00:20:46,203 --> 00:20:48,283 Gets right to the heart of what we're about. 381 00:20:49,363 --> 00:20:51,803 Like John said, we needed a complete new start, 382 00:20:51,843 --> 00:20:53,523 so that's what we've done. 383 00:20:53,563 --> 00:20:57,043 It was always you who said get the fans and survivors on board, Anne. 384 00:20:58,403 --> 00:20:59,403 I know. 385 00:20:59,443 --> 00:21:00,683 Come on! 386 00:21:01,763 --> 00:21:02,923 Get involved again. 387 00:21:06,083 --> 00:21:08,163 DOG BARKS 388 00:21:09,443 --> 00:21:10,763 I'll think about it. 389 00:21:11,883 --> 00:21:13,603 OK. I'll take that. 390 00:21:15,243 --> 00:21:16,283 DOORBELL 391 00:21:19,523 --> 00:21:21,083 Can you sign here, please? Yeah. 392 00:21:25,123 --> 00:21:26,763 Thank you. Ta. 393 00:22:08,123 --> 00:22:09,283 SHE LAUGHS 394 00:22:34,603 --> 00:22:37,883 Um, Sheila Coleman said you might stock my book for me. 395 00:22:37,923 --> 00:22:40,243 Right. Well, hello. 396 00:22:40,283 --> 00:22:42,723 I'm Peter. Lovely day we're having, pleased to meet you. 397 00:22:42,763 --> 00:22:44,043 Sorry! 398 00:22:44,083 --> 00:22:46,523 I'm Anne, Anne Williams. 399 00:22:46,563 --> 00:22:50,083 And I lost my boy at Hillsborough, Kevin - our Kev. 400 00:22:50,123 --> 00:22:51,443 I know. 401 00:22:51,483 --> 00:22:53,243 Well, I've written a book about him. 402 00:22:54,283 --> 00:22:56,243 Well, it's about everything that happened. 403 00:22:56,283 --> 00:22:58,883 Of course we'll stock it for you, it kind of goes without saying. 404 00:22:58,923 --> 00:23:00,363 Where else are you selling it? 405 00:23:00,403 --> 00:23:02,003 Er... I don't know. 406 00:23:02,043 --> 00:23:04,443 See, I've never done anything like this before. 407 00:23:04,483 --> 00:23:06,003 Well... 408 00:23:06,043 --> 00:23:07,483 Come on. KEYS JANGLE 409 00:23:07,523 --> 00:23:08,923 Wha'? 410 00:23:08,963 --> 00:23:12,163 I've got me van outside, we'll go round all the bookshops. 411 00:23:12,203 --> 00:23:14,363 Have they had you on Radio Merseyside yet? 412 00:23:14,403 --> 00:23:16,083 No, no... 413 00:23:16,123 --> 00:23:17,803 Oh, Jesus! 414 00:23:17,843 --> 00:23:19,683 Well, I know a guy that knows a guy... 415 00:23:19,723 --> 00:23:21,883 that knows a guy that knows some fella... 416 00:23:21,923 --> 00:23:23,723 I bet you do! I do! 417 00:23:34,123 --> 00:23:36,163 Anyway, I hope you enjoy. Thank you. 418 00:23:36,203 --> 00:23:37,883 Nice to speak to you. You too, bye. 419 00:23:37,923 --> 00:23:38,963 And thanks! 420 00:23:48,723 --> 00:23:50,923 They were very nice in there. 421 00:23:50,963 --> 00:23:52,963 They said they'd give me a call 422 00:23:53,003 --> 00:23:54,883 if they need any more books. 423 00:23:58,523 --> 00:23:59,683 Are you OK? 424 00:24:09,763 --> 00:24:11,803 You were there, weren't you? 425 00:24:13,963 --> 00:24:15,203 Yeah. 426 00:24:17,363 --> 00:24:18,683 HE SNIFFS 427 00:24:21,123 --> 00:24:23,923 Me and my mate, we went into Leppings Lane. 428 00:24:29,643 --> 00:24:32,283 And as soon as I went into that tunnel, I wished I hadn't. 429 00:24:33,603 --> 00:24:35,243 The weight of that crowd... 430 00:24:35,283 --> 00:24:37,483 It turned me around. 431 00:24:37,523 --> 00:24:39,403 I went in with my back to the pitch. 432 00:24:42,283 --> 00:24:44,163 And it just got tighter... 433 00:24:45,243 --> 00:24:47,323 ..and tighter and tighter. 434 00:24:50,243 --> 00:24:52,363 Do you know the thing that gets me most, 435 00:24:52,403 --> 00:24:54,163 even now, over and over? 436 00:24:54,203 --> 00:24:56,723 Those coppers, they were right there. 437 00:25:00,403 --> 00:25:02,883 They were right there and they could see what was happening. 438 00:25:03,963 --> 00:25:04,963 And they just... 439 00:25:06,043 --> 00:25:07,243 ..stood there... 440 00:25:08,283 --> 00:25:09,323 ..and watched. 441 00:25:14,563 --> 00:25:16,763 There was people at the front, 442 00:25:16,803 --> 00:25:18,283 just-just in front of me, 443 00:25:18,323 --> 00:25:19,843 and they were pressed 444 00:25:19,883 --> 00:25:23,123 right up against the railings - I mean right up. 445 00:25:24,283 --> 00:25:25,523 They were going purple. 446 00:25:31,323 --> 00:25:33,283 So many of them were kids. 447 00:25:37,803 --> 00:25:40,323 Did we mean so little to them? 448 00:25:42,763 --> 00:25:46,523 Everyone thought that because we got out, we were the lucky ones. 449 00:25:49,363 --> 00:25:51,923 We got out, but we've got no voice. 450 00:25:53,443 --> 00:25:55,123 But you do have a voice, Peter. 451 00:25:56,483 --> 00:25:58,323 You know, my Kev... 452 00:25:58,363 --> 00:26:00,763 he can't tell me what happened in those last minutes... 453 00:26:02,203 --> 00:26:04,123 ..but YOU can. 454 00:26:04,163 --> 00:26:06,283 And you have to. 455 00:26:12,483 --> 00:26:14,643 INHALES DEEPLY 456 00:26:27,203 --> 00:26:30,883 'David Duckenfield was the man in command of policing Hillsborough. 457 00:26:30,923 --> 00:26:33,283 'He was the man accused by the victims' families 458 00:26:33,323 --> 00:26:35,003 'of being responsible for their deaths. 459 00:26:35,043 --> 00:26:37,603 'Today, Duckenfield walked away 460 00:26:37,643 --> 00:26:40,043 'from court - the jury couldn't reach a verdict. 461 00:26:40,083 --> 00:26:42,323 'The memories remain, too, 462 00:26:42,363 --> 00:26:44,443 'for the families of the Hillsborough victims. 463 00:26:44,483 --> 00:26:47,723 'They travelled across to Leeds from Liverpool every day 464 00:26:47,763 --> 00:26:50,363 'to watch every minute of the six-week trial.' 465 00:26:52,283 --> 00:26:53,723 BUSY CHATTER 466 00:27:05,563 --> 00:27:06,843 COINS RATTLE IN BUCKET 467 00:27:06,883 --> 00:27:08,123 Thank you. 468 00:27:08,163 --> 00:27:09,443 See ya later. 469 00:27:15,883 --> 00:27:18,163 I do miss Steve, Teresa. 470 00:27:18,203 --> 00:27:19,603 Course I do, 471 00:27:19,643 --> 00:27:20,963 but, you know, 472 00:27:21,003 --> 00:27:24,563 after a time, you do get used to being on your own. 473 00:27:24,603 --> 00:27:26,283 I actually quite like it. 474 00:27:26,323 --> 00:27:28,403 I don't know what I'd do with myself. 475 00:27:28,443 --> 00:27:31,203 And I certainly don't know what he'd do. 476 00:27:31,243 --> 00:27:32,683 All right, mate? All right, mate. 477 00:27:44,083 --> 00:27:45,443 Can I help you, love? 478 00:27:48,363 --> 00:27:49,563 Do you...? 479 00:27:49,603 --> 00:27:51,883 Do you want to talk to somebody? 480 00:27:59,243 --> 00:28:00,443 Come and sit down. 481 00:28:10,523 --> 00:28:11,923 What's your name? 482 00:28:11,963 --> 00:28:14,403 Colin. Hiya, Colin. 483 00:28:14,443 --> 00:28:15,683 I'm Anne. 484 00:28:15,723 --> 00:28:16,963 You all right? 485 00:28:17,003 --> 00:28:18,163 Yeah. 486 00:28:19,363 --> 00:28:20,403 There you go, love. 487 00:28:20,443 --> 00:28:21,603 Ta. 488 00:28:25,163 --> 00:28:26,483 So, are you going to the match? 489 00:28:26,523 --> 00:28:27,803 Er, yeah. 490 00:28:33,243 --> 00:28:35,363 Did you lose someone, Colin? 491 00:28:35,403 --> 00:28:36,603 At Hillsborough? 492 00:28:36,643 --> 00:28:40,283 Well, not on the day, you know. 493 00:28:40,323 --> 00:28:42,123 Not in the ground. 494 00:28:44,723 --> 00:28:46,243 He was me best mate. 495 00:28:47,843 --> 00:28:49,843 He, um... 496 00:28:49,883 --> 00:28:52,003 He never really got over it, you know? 497 00:28:55,803 --> 00:28:58,283 Some of the things he'd seen... 498 00:28:58,323 --> 00:28:59,683 that day. 499 00:29:01,163 --> 00:29:04,443 He could... He couldn't live with it, you know? 500 00:29:04,483 --> 00:29:06,203 HE SOBS 501 00:29:06,243 --> 00:29:07,243 Hey. 502 00:29:08,403 --> 00:29:11,003 I'm sorry, I just miss him so much. 503 00:29:11,043 --> 00:29:12,883 Hey, it's all right. 504 00:29:18,083 --> 00:29:19,963 Come and sit down, will you? 505 00:29:20,003 --> 00:29:21,763 Have you got any Cornettos? 506 00:29:21,803 --> 00:29:24,603 Cornettos? You're just about to have your tea! 507 00:29:24,643 --> 00:29:26,523 Just fancy a nice mint Cornetto. 508 00:29:26,563 --> 00:29:28,363 You're not pregnant, are you? 509 00:29:29,483 --> 00:29:31,003 FREEZER DOOR SHUTS 510 00:29:34,683 --> 00:29:35,963 PUTS DISHES DOWN 511 00:29:38,083 --> 00:29:39,603 Oh, my God. 512 00:29:41,643 --> 00:29:43,043 You are, aren't you? 513 00:29:43,083 --> 00:29:45,763 Sara, you've just turned 20! 514 00:29:45,803 --> 00:29:47,683 Same age as you were when you had our Mike. 515 00:29:47,723 --> 00:29:49,163 Well, that was then! 516 00:29:54,643 --> 00:29:56,363 How do you feel about it? 517 00:29:56,403 --> 00:29:58,043 A bit scared, like, 518 00:29:58,083 --> 00:29:59,923 but it's brilliant, I'm made up! 519 00:29:59,963 --> 00:30:01,283 Come here! 520 00:30:01,323 --> 00:30:02,883 So am I! 521 00:30:04,003 --> 00:30:05,403 Right. 522 00:30:05,443 --> 00:30:07,203 Well, that's made my mind up, then. 523 00:30:07,243 --> 00:30:08,803 What has? About what? 524 00:30:08,843 --> 00:30:10,883 You can't stay in that little flat, can you? 525 00:30:10,923 --> 00:30:12,603 You're going to have to move in here. 526 00:30:12,643 --> 00:30:14,163 Well, there's no room in here. 527 00:30:14,203 --> 00:30:16,003 Well, there will be when I move out. 528 00:30:17,843 --> 00:30:21,043 Look, I have been thinking about it for a while. 529 00:30:22,123 --> 00:30:24,323 No, Mum. No. 530 00:30:25,403 --> 00:30:26,563 Yes, Mum. 531 00:30:26,603 --> 00:30:27,763 Yes. 532 00:30:29,443 --> 00:30:30,763 I want you to. 533 00:30:56,203 --> 00:30:57,803 'Are you sure you're gonna be OK?' 534 00:30:57,843 --> 00:30:59,403 Will you behave? 535 00:31:02,563 --> 00:31:04,243 Well, erm... 536 00:31:04,283 --> 00:31:06,483 See you later, then, yeah? Yeah. 537 00:31:06,523 --> 00:31:07,683 See you, love. 538 00:31:09,083 --> 00:31:10,123 DOOR CLOSES 539 00:31:18,843 --> 00:31:19,843 Mum! 540 00:31:25,443 --> 00:31:27,083 'It's all down to this...' 541 00:31:27,123 --> 00:31:28,323 CROWD ROARS 542 00:31:28,363 --> 00:31:30,443 'Shevchenko... 543 00:31:31,643 --> 00:31:33,403 'Ohhhhh! 544 00:31:33,443 --> 00:31:36,523 'Liverpool! They've done it! 545 00:31:37,803 --> 00:31:41,283 'In the most dramatic fashion ever seen! 546 00:31:41,323 --> 00:31:44,763 'And the European Cup is coming back to Anfield!' 547 00:31:44,803 --> 00:31:47,083 CROWD ROARS 548 00:31:58,723 --> 00:32:00,083 Hiya! You all right? 549 00:32:01,683 --> 00:32:03,763 Ooh! Thank you. 550 00:32:03,803 --> 00:32:05,643 Cheers, thanks. 551 00:32:05,683 --> 00:32:06,803 'So, look,' 552 00:32:06,843 --> 00:32:08,363 the last thing any of us wants 553 00:32:08,403 --> 00:32:10,923 is to unfairly raise your expectations, 554 00:32:10,963 --> 00:32:12,403 but we're quite excited by this case 555 00:32:12,443 --> 00:32:15,243 that's just come through the European Court of Human Rights. 556 00:32:15,283 --> 00:32:17,563 With respect, Elkan, the court rejected 557 00:32:17,603 --> 00:32:20,523 the Family Support Group's private prosecutions. 558 00:32:20,563 --> 00:32:22,283 So why is Europe gonna care? 559 00:32:22,323 --> 00:32:24,003 Hear him out, Anne, he's on our side. 560 00:32:24,043 --> 00:32:25,643 It's fine, she's right. 561 00:32:25,683 --> 00:32:29,043 Who knows if it will, but it could be worth us looking very closely 562 00:32:29,083 --> 00:32:31,883 at this updated Article 2 - the right to life. 563 00:32:31,923 --> 00:32:33,363 Now, look, 564 00:32:33,403 --> 00:32:35,363 our argument would be that Kevin 565 00:32:35,403 --> 00:32:38,723 was essentially in the hands of the state when he died, 566 00:32:38,763 --> 00:32:42,763 so the state has a duty of care to properly investigate his death. 567 00:32:42,803 --> 00:32:44,923 And if we can show that that has not, so far, 568 00:32:44,963 --> 00:32:46,443 been the case, then... 569 00:32:46,483 --> 00:32:48,483 there's a possible route to a new inquest. 570 00:32:48,523 --> 00:32:50,923 You think? Look, it's gonna take time. 571 00:32:50,963 --> 00:32:53,243 Let's be in no doubt about that. 572 00:32:53,283 --> 00:32:54,963 I mean, before we even get to Europe, 573 00:32:55,003 --> 00:32:57,443 we've got to resubmit with the UK Attorney General. 574 00:32:57,483 --> 00:32:59,403 What about the other families? I mean... 575 00:32:59,443 --> 00:33:01,163 Well, they want justice, too. 576 00:33:01,203 --> 00:33:03,563 I know what you're saying, but, look... 577 00:33:03,603 --> 00:33:05,483 there hasn't been a significant breakthrough 578 00:33:05,523 --> 00:33:06,883 for quite some time now, 579 00:33:06,923 --> 00:33:10,363 and a successful new submission will, of course, benefit everyone. 580 00:33:10,403 --> 00:33:12,443 If we can get Kevin through Europe, 581 00:33:12,483 --> 00:33:14,083 it'll... 582 00:33:14,123 --> 00:33:16,523 It'll open things up for everyone. 583 00:33:21,123 --> 00:33:22,683 Let me think about it. 584 00:33:25,363 --> 00:33:27,643 So, that's where I stand. 585 00:33:27,683 --> 00:33:30,803 The legal team have made it crystal clear 586 00:33:30,843 --> 00:33:33,323 that this is basically a test case, 587 00:33:33,363 --> 00:33:36,563 and it is just Kev at this point. 588 00:33:36,603 --> 00:33:37,803 Tell us something new. 589 00:33:37,843 --> 00:33:39,643 It's always just Kev with you, isn't it? 590 00:33:39,683 --> 00:33:43,123 You do know that "all for one" doesn't necessarily mean 591 00:33:43,163 --> 00:33:44,883 all for "one", don't you? 592 00:33:44,923 --> 00:33:47,043 That's not fair. Come on, let's keep this decent. 593 00:33:47,083 --> 00:33:49,843 No, no, look, he's got a point. 594 00:33:49,883 --> 00:33:52,403 Maybe it is about Kev for me. 595 00:33:52,443 --> 00:33:54,083 But then I am Kev's mum. 596 00:33:55,243 --> 00:33:57,483 If I can get Kevin through, 597 00:33:57,523 --> 00:33:59,563 then everyone else gets through, too. 598 00:33:59,603 --> 00:34:01,683 "Our Kev" first, though, eh? 599 00:34:01,723 --> 00:34:03,043 There's no need for that. 600 00:34:03,083 --> 00:34:05,763 We should just support Anne come what may. 601 00:34:05,803 --> 00:34:08,603 Surely, anything that keeps people talking about Hillsborough 602 00:34:08,643 --> 00:34:11,323 and keeps us in the spotlight can only be a good thing? 603 00:34:11,363 --> 00:34:14,523 No. It's a basic matter of principle. 604 00:34:14,563 --> 00:34:17,283 Come on. This is who we are. 605 00:34:17,323 --> 00:34:19,723 The collective, not the individual. 606 00:34:19,763 --> 00:34:23,323 You know what? I didn't expect a round of applause. 607 00:34:23,363 --> 00:34:26,523 But I did hope most of you would understand. 608 00:34:26,563 --> 00:34:28,203 Comments like that don't help, do they? 609 00:34:28,243 --> 00:34:29,643 I'm trying to keep it in the group. 610 00:34:29,683 --> 00:34:32,563 Listen, let's have a little five-minute break. Cool it down. 611 00:34:32,603 --> 00:34:35,363 Come back in five minutes, have a cup of tea and talk about it, yeah? 612 00:34:37,723 --> 00:34:38,723 Anne! 613 00:34:40,083 --> 00:34:42,043 They will support you, you know. 614 00:34:42,083 --> 00:34:44,243 There's always one or two needs to let off steam, 615 00:34:44,283 --> 00:34:46,323 but we will always support you, you know that. 616 00:34:46,363 --> 00:34:48,763 Look, I feel like I'm always battling. 617 00:34:48,803 --> 00:34:50,523 I do not want to be put in a position 618 00:34:50,563 --> 00:34:52,963 where I have to justify how I feel about my boy. 619 00:34:53,003 --> 00:34:54,363 I'm going it alone. 620 00:34:54,403 --> 00:34:56,163 Me and Kev - I'm done with it. 621 00:35:14,523 --> 00:35:15,803 Hiya, love. 622 00:35:25,643 --> 00:35:26,963 There we go. 623 00:35:28,123 --> 00:35:29,723 I brought you a hardy perennial. 624 00:35:29,763 --> 00:35:31,123 Just like your mum! 625 00:35:33,523 --> 00:35:34,683 You know, Kev... 626 00:35:36,923 --> 00:35:38,883 ..it's been 20 years. 627 00:35:40,083 --> 00:35:41,243 I can't believe it. 628 00:35:44,483 --> 00:35:46,243 I miss you so much. 629 00:35:49,043 --> 00:35:51,403 There's not a day goes by that I don't think of you. 630 00:35:53,643 --> 00:35:54,803 KISSES HAND 631 00:35:56,523 --> 00:35:57,843 I love you. 632 00:35:59,883 --> 00:36:03,003 Right - let's get this planted, shall we? 633 00:36:03,043 --> 00:36:04,683 Cos it's freezin'! 634 00:36:16,683 --> 00:36:18,083 DOOR HANDLE RATTLES 635 00:36:20,443 --> 00:36:21,683 Come on, then. 636 00:36:21,723 --> 00:36:23,163 Give it to me straight. 637 00:36:26,723 --> 00:36:28,323 It's a no from Europe. 638 00:36:30,363 --> 00:36:31,483 Why? 639 00:36:31,523 --> 00:36:33,283 Out of time. 640 00:36:34,763 --> 00:36:36,203 Out of time?! 641 00:36:36,243 --> 00:36:37,443 I'm so sorry. 642 00:36:37,483 --> 00:36:39,203 Ha! 643 00:36:39,243 --> 00:36:41,243 They've said we should've put our application in 644 00:36:41,283 --> 00:36:43,643 within six months of the Stuart-Smith verdict. 645 00:36:45,843 --> 00:36:48,243 Four years, for this? 646 00:36:49,683 --> 00:36:51,323 I'm sorry, Anne. 647 00:36:51,363 --> 00:36:53,603 God knows how you must feel. 648 00:36:53,643 --> 00:36:54,843 Hm. 649 00:36:57,003 --> 00:36:58,363 You know, 650 00:36:58,403 --> 00:37:01,163 I'm waiting for you to go, "April Fool!" 651 00:37:08,083 --> 00:37:09,363 Wow. 652 00:37:12,363 --> 00:37:14,003 20 years. 653 00:37:18,443 --> 00:37:19,963 Yeah, well, you know what? 654 00:37:21,483 --> 00:37:23,603 Maybe I am the fool for keeping on. 655 00:37:25,763 --> 00:37:26,923 Hm. 656 00:37:30,203 --> 00:37:34,843 'There's gonna be a documentary to mark the 20th anniversary, Anne. 657 00:37:34,883 --> 00:37:38,203 'We've got an incredibly moving interview with Jenni Hicks,' 658 00:37:38,243 --> 00:37:41,243 talking about the ride back from Hillsborough on the day, 659 00:37:41,283 --> 00:37:43,843 and that's the theme I want to expand on. 660 00:37:43,883 --> 00:37:45,843 The mother's journey. 661 00:37:45,883 --> 00:37:47,403 And I just wondered... 662 00:37:48,683 --> 00:37:50,883 ..whether you might go back with me? 663 00:37:50,923 --> 00:37:52,163 To Hillsborough? 664 00:37:52,203 --> 00:37:53,843 Oh, Christian, that's a no. 665 00:37:55,123 --> 00:37:57,603 You do know I've never actually been inside the ground? 666 00:37:59,043 --> 00:38:01,843 I realise it's gonna be hard, Anne, but it has to be - 667 00:38:01,883 --> 00:38:04,483 for the full impact to land with our listeners. 668 00:38:05,723 --> 00:38:07,163 It's the 20th anniversary. 669 00:38:08,403 --> 00:38:10,323 20 years, still no justice. 670 00:38:10,363 --> 00:38:12,323 We have to make our listeners understand that. 671 00:38:12,363 --> 00:38:14,323 We have to make 'em feel what you feel. 672 00:38:16,683 --> 00:38:17,883 Well, then... 673 00:38:19,203 --> 00:38:22,003 ..I think I need to take someone with me. 674 00:38:22,043 --> 00:38:24,443 You know, someone who was actually there in the pens. 675 00:38:25,723 --> 00:38:28,563 Someone who can tell your listeners what it was really like. 676 00:39:47,203 --> 00:39:49,323 One-two, one-two-three, one-two. 677 00:39:50,843 --> 00:39:53,123 Anne, you never actually wanted to set foot 678 00:39:53,163 --> 00:39:55,683 inside this football stadium, did you? 679 00:39:56,963 --> 00:39:58,083 No... 680 00:39:58,123 --> 00:40:02,323 Well, a lot of the families did come back in the beginning, and... 681 00:40:02,363 --> 00:40:04,643 well, I did want to go inside the ground, but... 682 00:40:05,803 --> 00:40:09,403 I suppose at the time, I was... Well, I was just too ill, you know? 683 00:40:09,443 --> 00:40:12,843 Steve, what's going through your head, as you stand here now? 684 00:40:12,883 --> 00:40:15,283 20 years on, what do you remember? 685 00:40:16,683 --> 00:40:17,883 I dunno. 686 00:40:17,923 --> 00:40:19,163 It's scary. 687 00:40:22,043 --> 00:40:23,963 I remember, erm... 688 00:40:24,003 --> 00:40:25,963 coming through the turnstiles... 689 00:40:27,563 --> 00:40:29,603 I was waiting for me mate. 690 00:40:33,483 --> 00:40:36,443 And that's... That's where they opened the gates, the exit gates. 691 00:40:37,603 --> 00:40:39,363 I saw two policemen walk over 692 00:40:39,403 --> 00:40:41,323 and order the steward to open them. 693 00:40:45,643 --> 00:40:48,483 Big, blue concertina gates. 694 00:40:48,523 --> 00:40:50,723 They claimed the fans kicked them in, 695 00:40:50,763 --> 00:40:54,643 but someone tell me how you break down a metal gate like that? 696 00:40:58,883 --> 00:41:03,283 And is this... eventually where you went in, onto the terrace? 697 00:41:03,323 --> 00:41:04,403 Yeah. 698 00:41:05,843 --> 00:41:07,043 HE EXHALES 699 00:41:07,083 --> 00:41:08,083 That's the tunnel. 700 00:41:09,683 --> 00:41:10,923 That's it. 701 00:41:14,203 --> 00:41:15,563 EXHALES DEEPLY Look at it. 702 00:41:17,083 --> 00:41:19,883 Look how wide it is - it's nothing. 703 00:41:19,923 --> 00:41:24,483 You know, what's it going to take - six, eight stewards to close it off? 704 00:41:26,523 --> 00:41:28,243 That's all that needed to happen. 705 00:41:29,323 --> 00:41:32,763 If you're opening the gate, you block off the tunnel first. 706 00:41:33,803 --> 00:41:37,163 20 years, and still no-one's holding their hand up to that blunder. 707 00:41:46,083 --> 00:41:47,203 HE EXHALES 708 00:41:47,243 --> 00:41:48,563 I'm sorry, I can't. 709 00:41:50,363 --> 00:41:51,483 Steve... 710 00:42:02,643 --> 00:42:05,603 Kevin was pulled from Pen 3... 711 00:42:05,643 --> 00:42:07,923 at 28 minutes past three. 712 00:42:10,123 --> 00:42:11,923 Can I just ask, Steve, 713 00:42:11,963 --> 00:42:14,523 where did you first see Kevin? 714 00:42:15,923 --> 00:42:17,483 He was there. 715 00:42:17,523 --> 00:42:19,043 He was just there. 716 00:42:19,083 --> 00:42:20,843 HE CRIES 717 00:42:26,483 --> 00:42:29,803 That's... That's where everyone was getting pulled up. 718 00:42:29,843 --> 00:42:33,883 All our fans were on the upper tier, and they were just leaning down 719 00:42:33,923 --> 00:42:36,923 and they were just grabbing anyone that they could. 720 00:42:36,963 --> 00:42:38,763 Why Kevin? 721 00:42:38,803 --> 00:42:41,523 Why was he one of the first people that you helped? 722 00:42:43,403 --> 00:42:44,683 Well... 723 00:42:44,723 --> 00:42:46,003 It wasn't just me, 724 00:42:46,043 --> 00:42:47,403 there were a few of us... 725 00:42:48,443 --> 00:42:51,203 We seen him, we went straight to him. 726 00:42:53,283 --> 00:42:54,603 Cos, well... 727 00:42:54,643 --> 00:42:56,483 he was alive. 728 00:42:56,523 --> 00:42:58,403 He was on the hoarding. 729 00:42:58,443 --> 00:43:01,683 So me, Tony O'Keefe and the others 730 00:43:01,723 --> 00:43:04,683 picked him up and we ran him to the far corner - 731 00:43:04,723 --> 00:43:07,283 that's where all the people were getting seen to. 732 00:43:09,763 --> 00:43:11,443 HE EXHALES DEEPLY 733 00:43:11,483 --> 00:43:14,163 I thought... We all thought... 734 00:43:14,203 --> 00:43:16,483 "He's in good hands now. 735 00:43:16,523 --> 00:43:18,203 "He'll get looked after." 736 00:43:24,963 --> 00:43:26,323 Thank you. 737 00:43:35,803 --> 00:43:38,083 You know, looking here now, there's, what... 738 00:43:38,123 --> 00:43:39,963 400 seats? 739 00:43:41,323 --> 00:43:44,683 And over 2,000 were led in here like cattle. 740 00:43:46,043 --> 00:43:48,643 And then we're left to live with the lies. 741 00:43:53,843 --> 00:43:55,723 You know who's standing here now? 742 00:43:57,803 --> 00:44:00,283 I can feel Kev's spirit! 743 00:44:02,283 --> 00:44:04,363 And it has brought the fight back in me. 744 00:44:07,523 --> 00:44:10,323 'So just a couple of last links, if that's OK?' 745 00:44:14,923 --> 00:44:18,363 Anne Williams has recently set up a new group - Hope For Hillsborough. 746 00:44:18,403 --> 00:44:19,923 Can you tell us a bit about that, Anne? 747 00:44:19,963 --> 00:44:23,203 I just felt there was a need for something more... 748 00:44:23,243 --> 00:44:24,803 intimate, if you like. 749 00:44:24,843 --> 00:44:28,283 You know, with the 20th anniversary coming up, 750 00:44:28,323 --> 00:44:31,483 what's great is there's this new, younger element, 751 00:44:31,523 --> 00:44:34,963 who are as determined to fight for truth and justice as I am. 752 00:44:35,003 --> 00:44:37,323 And we just heard that Andy Burnham MP 753 00:44:37,363 --> 00:44:39,203 is going to be addressing the 20th anniversary 754 00:44:39,243 --> 00:44:40,723 on behalf of the Government. 755 00:44:40,763 --> 00:44:43,043 Do you think this Labour administration 756 00:44:43,083 --> 00:44:45,443 is going to give you and the other families 757 00:44:45,483 --> 00:44:48,403 the justice that you've been fighting for, for all these years? 758 00:44:48,443 --> 00:44:50,203 Andy Burnham's a politician! 759 00:44:50,243 --> 00:44:52,443 He'll come up to Anfield, deliver his soundbite, 760 00:44:52,483 --> 00:44:54,203 and then he'll piss off back to London! 761 00:44:54,243 --> 00:44:56,283 You're not going away, are you? 762 00:44:56,323 --> 00:44:58,403 Only in a box. 763 00:45:02,243 --> 00:45:04,323 CHURCH BELL TOLLS 764 00:45:15,803 --> 00:45:18,603 'On this, the 20th anniversary 765 00:45:18,643 --> 00:45:20,723 'of the tragedy at Hillsborough, 766 00:45:20,763 --> 00:45:24,403 'which broke the heart, but not the spirit of our community... 767 00:45:25,723 --> 00:45:29,883 '..never walking alone without a memory of those we miss, 768 00:45:29,923 --> 00:45:32,443 'without a prayer that God would bless those 769 00:45:32,483 --> 00:45:35,803 'whom we love, but no longer touch...' 770 00:45:37,843 --> 00:45:39,363 We've got to get our skates on, here. 771 00:45:39,403 --> 00:45:41,963 The stewards are saying they're going to be closing the Kop soon. 772 00:45:42,003 --> 00:45:43,003 Closing it, why? 773 00:45:43,043 --> 00:45:45,563 It's completely chocker, girl - there's thousands here. 774 00:45:45,603 --> 00:45:47,643 They're opening up the whole ground. 775 00:45:47,683 --> 00:45:49,643 CHOIR SING: 'Abide With Me' 776 00:45:49,683 --> 00:45:51,643 # ..And comforts flee 777 00:45:52,683 --> 00:45:57,403 # Help of the helpless 778 00:45:57,443 --> 00:46:04,043 # Oh, abide with me 779 00:46:12,523 --> 00:46:14,403 Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. 780 00:46:15,723 --> 00:46:18,403 And I'd like to now just introduce you 781 00:46:18,443 --> 00:46:20,683 to the Right Honourable Andy Burnham, 782 00:46:20,723 --> 00:46:24,923 Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport. 783 00:46:24,963 --> 00:46:26,563 APPLAUSE 784 00:46:38,243 --> 00:46:42,203 Remembering any loss of life in this scale is painful. 785 00:46:42,243 --> 00:46:45,603 It is harder when a tragedy was no natural disaster, 786 00:46:45,643 --> 00:46:47,803 but entirely man-made, 787 00:46:47,843 --> 00:46:50,203 when it involved so many young people... 788 00:46:51,763 --> 00:46:54,083 ..and when those who have lost most 789 00:46:54,123 --> 00:46:57,563 have suffered so many more dark days ever since. 790 00:46:59,923 --> 00:47:02,723 Hillsborough left deep wounds that will never heal - 791 00:47:02,763 --> 00:47:06,843 its horror not diminished by the passage of time... 792 00:47:06,883 --> 00:47:09,443 the TV images still harrowing to watch. 793 00:47:10,883 --> 00:47:14,523 Well, today, as the Prime Minister has asked me to convey, 794 00:47:14,563 --> 00:47:15,723 we can at least pledge 795 00:47:15,763 --> 00:47:18,403 that 96 fellow football supporters who died... 796 00:47:19,563 --> 00:47:21,243 ..will never be forgotten. 797 00:47:21,283 --> 00:47:22,643 MAN: What about justice? 798 00:47:22,683 --> 00:47:24,803 SECOND MAN: What about justice? What about justice? 799 00:47:24,843 --> 00:47:26,363 And he asked us to think at this time... 800 00:47:26,403 --> 00:47:28,163 MAN: Justice! WOMAN: Justice! 801 00:47:28,203 --> 00:47:29,403 What about justice? 802 00:47:29,443 --> 00:47:31,003 Justice! Justice! 803 00:47:31,043 --> 00:47:32,763 MORE JOIN IN 804 00:47:32,803 --> 00:47:35,003 CROWD CHANT: Justice! 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