1 00:00:00,689 --> 00:00:01,827 [Shaun] Previously on, 2 00:00:01,827 --> 00:00:05,068 90 Day Fiance: The Other Way, The Couples Tell All... 3 00:00:06,172 --> 00:00:07,482 [Kirsten speaking in recording] 4 00:00:07,482 --> 00:00:08,758 [Julio speaking in recording] 5 00:00:12,482 --> 00:00:13,413 [Shaun] Wow. 6 00:00:13,413 --> 00:00:14,689 [Julio] That's the real reason we broke up. 7 00:00:14,689 --> 00:00:15,724 Trust issues that I was having 8 00:00:15,724 --> 00:00:16,862 -because of that situation-- -[Kirsten speaking] 9 00:00:18,586 --> 00:00:19,724 What? 10 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:26,379 Any update with the donor to raise a baby possibly? 11 00:00:26,379 --> 00:00:29,689 I'm happy to say that we have seven embryos now. 12 00:00:29,689 --> 00:00:31,206 [Shaun] Oh, wow. 13 00:00:31,206 --> 00:00:32,689 Tim, you and Kenny are friends. 14 00:00:32,689 --> 00:00:34,379 Did you give them any advice? 15 00:00:34,379 --> 00:00:37,000 -I-- -He told him, "Don't do it." 16 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:41,241 I just feel like he's doing it more for Armando than himself. 17 00:00:43,482 --> 00:00:46,827 TJ, how do you feel that the conflict between Kimberly 18 00:00:46,827 --> 00:00:49,206 and your brother is affecting your relationship? 19 00:00:49,206 --> 00:00:50,862 [Tejaswi speaking] 20 00:00:57,689 --> 00:00:58,448 [Tejaswi speaking] 21 00:01:00,517 --> 00:01:01,586 You have to take a side. 22 00:01:07,379 --> 00:01:10,793 I actually don't even talk to anyone in my family. 23 00:01:10,793 --> 00:01:12,793 And it's all because of your relationship 24 00:01:12,793 --> 00:01:13,896 -with Sarper? -Yes. 25 00:01:13,896 --> 00:01:14,724 [Shaun] Wow. 26 00:01:14,724 --> 00:01:16,620 You don't view any of that as toxic? 27 00:01:16,620 --> 00:01:19,275 I look at him as, like, my leader, 28 00:01:19,275 --> 00:01:21,172 and he's leading us. 29 00:01:21,172 --> 00:01:23,793 I know that she likes to be controlled, 30 00:01:23,793 --> 00:01:26,586 it's her character, and mine is controlling. 31 00:01:26,586 --> 00:01:28,896 -So we are a perfect match. -We're the perfect match. 32 00:01:31,068 --> 00:01:32,896 [Daniele] He has multiple women that he's in a relationship with now 33 00:01:32,896 --> 00:01:34,827 that think that they're the only one. 34 00:01:34,827 --> 00:01:36,172 What? 35 00:01:36,172 --> 00:01:39,000 [Daniele] This was happening for an entire year, 36 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:40,517 and I totally missed it. 37 00:01:40,517 --> 00:01:41,862 [in Spanish] 38 00:01:43,896 --> 00:01:46,586 He's not only a scammer, but he's a liar also. 39 00:01:46,586 --> 00:01:47,862 [in Spanish] 40 00:01:53,378 --> 00:01:55,000 [Holly] I gave up everything to go there, 41 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:56,793 and you just don't even seem like you want me back. 42 00:01:56,793 --> 00:01:59,551 Do you have plans to go back to South Africa? 43 00:02:01,586 --> 00:02:05,689 Not really. We haven't spoken in two to three weeks. 44 00:02:05,689 --> 00:02:07,344 -Whoa! -Oh, whoa! 45 00:02:11,931 --> 00:02:14,103 And what about Wayne's emotional support? 46 00:02:14,103 --> 00:02:15,896 He's going through a lot right now. 47 00:02:15,896 --> 00:02:17,482 What are you talking about? 48 00:02:17,482 --> 00:02:20,896 Every time she calls, it's all about all of her problems, problems, problems. 49 00:02:20,896 --> 00:02:24,689 Wayne, are you thinking about ending this relationship? 50 00:02:31,931 --> 00:02:33,172 [gasps] 51 00:02:33,172 --> 00:02:33,965 [Holly crying] 52 00:02:37,206 --> 00:02:38,241 Where did she go? 53 00:02:48,517 --> 00:02:49,896 [Holly crying] 54 00:02:51,103 --> 00:02:53,689 -Um, if you don't mind, I'm gonna go check on her. -[Shaun] Okay. 55 00:02:53,689 --> 00:02:55,067 -Okay. -[Shaun] Thank you, Kenny. 56 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,067 All right, I think everybody needs a break right now. 57 00:03:06,896 --> 00:03:07,655 [Holly sniffles] 58 00:03:09,103 --> 00:03:10,413 [Kenny] Holly? 59 00:03:10,413 --> 00:03:12,758 -[Holly speaking] -[Kenny] Oh, my gosh. 60 00:03:13,586 --> 00:03:14,448 Come here. 61 00:03:15,310 --> 00:03:17,275 I'm sorry this is happening to you. 62 00:03:17,275 --> 00:03:18,586 I know it's a lot. 63 00:03:18,586 --> 00:03:21,620 [Holly speaking] 64 00:03:21,620 --> 00:03:24,379 I believe, like, you both need kind of emotional support, 65 00:03:24,379 --> 00:03:27,310 but I did get the feeling he doesn't give you a lot. 66 00:03:27,310 --> 00:03:28,827 So, you have to think about that. 67 00:03:28,827 --> 00:03:31,310 Like, you need someone that's really gonna support you, 68 00:03:31,310 --> 00:03:33,275 and sometimes, if your husband's not gonna do it, 69 00:03:33,275 --> 00:03:35,724 you have to get it from family and friends. 70 00:03:35,724 --> 00:03:38,689 Um, and maybe not put it all on him or something. 71 00:03:38,689 --> 00:03:40,586 But you guys need to talk more, 72 00:03:40,586 --> 00:03:43,103 and just not talking for three weeks in the phone. 73 00:03:43,103 --> 00:03:44,517 [Kenny speaking indistinctly] 74 00:03:44,517 --> 00:03:46,586 I know, it's BS. My phone broke, 75 00:03:46,586 --> 00:03:49,172 I would find a way to talk to my husband. 76 00:03:49,172 --> 00:03:51,067 And you would do the same thing. 77 00:03:51,067 --> 00:03:52,344 You would figure out some way. 78 00:03:54,689 --> 00:03:55,448 [Kenny] Mm-hmm. 79 00:03:56,793 --> 00:03:57,655 That was a lot. 80 00:03:58,206 --> 00:03:59,620 [Tim] So, we all felt bad. 81 00:03:59,620 --> 00:04:03,172 I know I've had a girlfriend similar to Holly 82 00:04:03,172 --> 00:04:05,068 where it's like, it gets to a point 83 00:04:05,068 --> 00:04:07,586 that you've already comforted somebody 84 00:04:07,586 --> 00:04:10,068 as much as you can from another country, right? 85 00:04:10,068 --> 00:04:12,586 And it's just like, they won't give you a break. 86 00:04:12,586 --> 00:04:15,482 Like, there is things that you can do as a partner to try to support. 87 00:04:15,482 --> 00:04:16,896 [Tim] You're right, yeah, 88 00:04:16,896 --> 00:04:18,827 but [stammering] he did say, "I'll buy you a ticket, you come back 89 00:04:18,827 --> 00:04:20,274 so we could be together." 90 00:04:20,274 --> 00:04:21,586 [Tania] In a way that she's not ready to. 91 00:04:21,586 --> 00:04:23,103 -She still has debts she wants to pay off... -Yeah. 92 00:04:23,103 --> 00:04:24,586 [Tania] ...and that's what he's, like, ignoring. 93 00:04:24,586 --> 00:04:26,689 [Andrei speaking] 94 00:04:28,379 --> 00:04:30,103 [Tim] But also, everybody was jumping on him, 95 00:04:30,103 --> 00:04:33,172 like, "Oh, you don't love her because you won't move to America." 96 00:04:40,517 --> 00:04:41,758 You do love him, though, right? 97 00:04:43,482 --> 00:04:44,793 Yeah, of course. [sniffles] 98 00:04:44,793 --> 00:04:46,620 -Okay. Well, if he really loves you... -But-- 99 00:04:46,620 --> 00:04:49,172 -...then things could happen. -But the thing I loved most 100 00:04:49,172 --> 00:04:51,586 about him is I thought he loved me so much. 101 00:04:51,586 --> 00:04:53,793 But then it just... It changed. 102 00:04:53,793 --> 00:04:56,896 I think he's weaker than what he plays. 103 00:04:58,068 --> 00:04:59,827 -You know, he tries to keep talking about... -[Holly] Yeah. 104 00:04:59,827 --> 00:05:02,379 ...what a man he is and how he's gonna support you, 105 00:05:02,379 --> 00:05:03,896 but he... 106 00:05:03,896 --> 00:05:05,724 It's not just financial, he needs to support you 107 00:05:05,724 --> 00:05:07,172 like a man emotionally. 108 00:05:07,172 --> 00:05:09,379 And he's not doing it. 109 00:05:09,379 --> 00:05:12,034 Just talk to him and try to figure that out. 110 00:05:12,896 --> 00:05:13,689 [Holly] Yeah. 111 00:05:14,068 --> 00:05:15,655 [sniffles and cries] 112 00:05:17,172 --> 00:05:18,586 Oh, my gosh. 113 00:05:18,586 --> 00:05:20,586 [sniffles] Thank you. You smell really good. 114 00:05:20,586 --> 00:05:22,862 [both laugh] 115 00:05:25,172 --> 00:05:26,896 -Yeah. No. -I really don't think he was a bad guy. 116 00:05:26,896 --> 00:05:29,000 You know the old saying, "You can love somebody, 117 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:30,482 but you just can't be together?" 118 00:05:30,482 --> 00:05:33,275 They... He can't provide her the emotional support she needs. 119 00:05:33,275 --> 00:05:34,620 -[Tania] Mm-hmm. -He's just not a sensitive dude. 120 00:05:34,620 --> 00:05:35,586 [Tania] Yeah. 121 00:05:35,586 --> 00:05:37,275 [Tim] Like you said, she doesn't want money, 122 00:05:37,275 --> 00:05:39,620 she wants a [bleep] hug. She wants you to be there for her. 123 00:05:39,620 --> 00:05:41,793 -Yeah. -[Tim] But they both have good intentions. 124 00:05:41,793 --> 00:05:43,793 -Yeah. -[Tim] That's what's so sad about it. 125 00:05:43,793 --> 00:05:45,482 They're just not compatible. 126 00:05:45,482 --> 00:05:46,689 -[Kalani] Yeah. -Yeah. 127 00:05:48,517 --> 00:05:49,482 [phone ringing] 128 00:05:51,896 --> 00:05:53,620 Hello. 129 00:05:53,620 --> 00:05:56,689 [crying] Sorry, I don't know why I cry all the time, I'm sorry. 130 00:05:56,689 --> 00:05:59,206 [sniffles and cries] 131 00:05:59,206 --> 00:06:01,931 I hate it that I'm this emotional, I hate it. 132 00:06:01,931 --> 00:06:03,137 [sniffles] 133 00:06:20,689 --> 00:06:24,103 [Holly] I was very emotional and I was having a hard time, 134 00:06:24,103 --> 00:06:25,931 and I guess I put too much on you, 135 00:06:25,931 --> 00:06:27,000 and it wasn't fair to you, 136 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,206 because you were going through your own stuff. 137 00:06:29,206 --> 00:06:30,379 [sniffles] 138 00:06:31,172 --> 00:06:32,344 [Wayne speaking] 139 00:06:38,103 --> 00:06:41,137 I wanna go back and be... I wanna be with you again. 140 00:06:43,379 --> 00:06:45,000 Do you still wanna be with me? 141 00:06:45,724 --> 00:06:46,655 [sniffles] 142 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:14,586 Yeah, and I need to be harder [sniffles] 143 00:07:14,586 --> 00:07:17,758 and, um, and not so sensitive. 144 00:07:18,379 --> 00:07:19,379 [Wayne speaking] 145 00:07:36,586 --> 00:07:39,068 [Holly] I do love you [sniffles] very much. 146 00:07:40,413 --> 00:07:41,482 [Wayne speaking] 147 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:44,103 [Holly] Okay. 148 00:07:44,103 --> 00:07:45,482 -[Wayne speaking] -Bye, babes. 149 00:07:47,379 --> 00:07:50,000 Well, that went better than I thought it would go. 150 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,068 You know, I had to look at it through his perspective. 151 00:07:56,379 --> 00:07:57,172 Yeah. 152 00:07:58,275 --> 00:07:59,241 Yeah, I do. 153 00:08:17,275 --> 00:08:18,310 Welcome back. 154 00:08:18,310 --> 00:08:19,413 -[Tania] Love it. -Thank you. 155 00:08:19,413 --> 00:08:21,000 -He's my side bitch. -[all laugh] 156 00:08:26,413 --> 00:08:27,172 [sniffs] 157 00:08:36,379 --> 00:08:37,172 Hey, Holly. 158 00:08:38,379 --> 00:08:39,379 Hello. 159 00:08:39,379 --> 00:08:41,793 Did you and Wayne get a chance to speak? 160 00:08:41,793 --> 00:08:43,309 Yeah, we did. 161 00:08:43,309 --> 00:08:44,827 -[Shaun] Yeah? How did that go? -Yeah. 162 00:08:44,827 --> 00:08:45,896 It went good. 163 00:08:45,896 --> 00:08:47,620 I saw things from his perspective 164 00:08:47,620 --> 00:08:49,000 and, you know, and he saw things from mine, 165 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,689 and so, I think, like, we gotta clear up a few things. 166 00:08:52,620 --> 00:08:53,758 [Wayne speaking] 167 00:09:07,379 --> 00:09:09,000 [Tim] Let me say, coming out and saying 168 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:10,793 that you made a mistake and owning up it, 169 00:09:10,793 --> 00:09:11,655 I respect that. 170 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:14,758 [Andrei speaking] 171 00:09:15,586 --> 00:09:17,344 [all laugh] 172 00:09:17,896 --> 00:09:19,448 [Andrei] ...a new phone. 173 00:09:23,413 --> 00:09:27,620 Well, Holly and Wayne, it seems like there's a lot for you to still discuss. 174 00:09:27,620 --> 00:09:31,931 We hope you're able to overcome these obstacles in your relationship. 175 00:09:31,931 --> 00:09:33,965 -Thank you. -Thank you. 176 00:09:36,724 --> 00:09:39,896 I'm gonna loop back with Shekinah and Sarper. 177 00:09:39,896 --> 00:09:43,379 Even though Shekinah's family refused to attend the Tell All, 178 00:09:43,379 --> 00:09:47,482 one person who did want to participate and show support 179 00:09:47,482 --> 00:09:50,586 is her friend and her ex, Dan... 180 00:09:50,586 --> 00:09:52,689 -Oh, no. -[Shaun] ...who expressed his feelings 181 00:09:52,689 --> 00:09:55,689 about her just before she left for Tuürkiye. 182 00:09:55,689 --> 00:09:58,068 Please welcome Dan. 183 00:09:58,068 --> 00:09:59,172 Hi, Dan. 184 00:10:01,482 --> 00:10:03,586 Shekinah, did you and Dan date? 185 00:10:04,689 --> 00:10:07,655 Dan, you're not... Like, we weren't in a relationship. 186 00:10:08,586 --> 00:10:09,758 [Shekinah] No. 187 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,965 Yeah, that didn't make... That doesn't make you my ex. 188 00:10:15,103 --> 00:10:17,000 How many dates did you guys go on? 189 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,310 -[Shekinah speaking] -[Tim speaking] 190 00:10:19,310 --> 00:10:20,172 [Shaun] Okay. 191 00:10:20,172 --> 00:10:21,172 Tim, what did you say? 192 00:10:21,172 --> 00:10:22,896 [all laugh] 193 00:10:22,896 --> 00:10:24,172 -Nah. -[Shaun] Repeat yourself. 194 00:10:25,482 --> 00:10:26,862 Yeah, I was just wondering, like, 195 00:10:26,862 --> 00:10:28,689 -if they just went, like-- -[Shekinah] No, we never have had sex. 196 00:10:28,689 --> 00:10:30,551 -We've never been intimate, no. -[Tim] Never had sex? 197 00:10:33,275 --> 00:10:35,241 What? Excuse me? 198 00:10:37,931 --> 00:10:40,275 -But that's fine. -It is actually 100% true. 199 00:10:41,896 --> 00:10:43,275 [Dan] Okay. 200 00:10:45,103 --> 00:10:48,793 Dan, do you think you're a better match for Shekinah than Sarper? 201 00:10:48,793 --> 00:10:50,172 I do. 202 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,827 -Dan is, like, you know, a great person to-- -[Dan] Yeah. 203 00:10:55,827 --> 00:10:57,000 -[Shekinah chuckling] Ah, my God. -[Shaun] It says, 204 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:58,793 [Shaun and Shekinah] "Give Dan the man a chance." 205 00:10:58,793 --> 00:11:00,931 -[Shaun] "Hey! Give Dan the man a chance!" -[Shekinah] I did. 206 00:11:00,931 --> 00:11:02,379 I gave Dan the man a chance. 207 00:11:05,620 --> 00:11:08,655 Sarper, how do you feel about Dan being here today? 208 00:11:22,793 --> 00:11:24,827 I feel something in my stomach, too. 209 00:11:24,827 --> 00:11:26,000 For me? 210 00:11:27,103 --> 00:11:28,275 Are you serious? 211 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:30,068 [laughs] 212 00:11:32,896 --> 00:11:35,793 [Shaun] Dan, you've heard a few people say 213 00:11:35,793 --> 00:11:38,482 that Sarper is very controlling. 214 00:11:38,482 --> 00:11:40,586 Do you feel that he's controlling 215 00:11:40,586 --> 00:11:42,655 in this relationship with Shekinah? 216 00:12:12,793 --> 00:12:13,793 [Dan speaking] 217 00:12:29,206 --> 00:12:30,068 [slight chuckle] 218 00:12:37,068 --> 00:12:39,206 This is our relationship dynamics. 219 00:12:39,206 --> 00:12:41,103 She loves to serve. 220 00:12:41,103 --> 00:12:43,448 Yeah, it makes me happy to serve him. 221 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:51,068 I have a question. 222 00:12:51,068 --> 00:12:53,379 How would you feel if your daughter ended up 223 00:12:53,379 --> 00:12:55,379 in a relationship exactly like this one? 224 00:12:55,379 --> 00:12:57,275 I consider this a healthy relationship, 225 00:12:57,275 --> 00:12:58,689 so I would be happy. 226 00:13:00,482 --> 00:13:02,103 For her to be controlled like that? 227 00:13:02,103 --> 00:13:03,896 I don't feel like I'm being controlled. 228 00:13:05,275 --> 00:13:07,793 I think it's a dynamic that they both like, 229 00:13:07,793 --> 00:13:09,931 so how is it toxic? 230 00:13:09,931 --> 00:13:11,793 The passion, the love between us, 231 00:13:11,793 --> 00:13:13,275 you can't imagine, I mean... 232 00:13:14,275 --> 00:13:16,000 [Dan speaking] 233 00:13:27,413 --> 00:13:29,379 Oh, my God. 234 00:13:29,379 --> 00:13:33,482 I don't think that that's the case in this situation, Dan. 235 00:13:35,517 --> 00:13:36,896 I want to move on to something 236 00:13:36,896 --> 00:13:39,068 that gave a lot of people pause. 237 00:13:39,068 --> 00:13:44,310 Sarper's claim that he slept with over 2,500 women. 238 00:13:44,310 --> 00:13:46,827 I think we were all a bit surprised 239 00:13:46,827 --> 00:13:49,413 at some of the details he shared, 240 00:13:49,413 --> 00:13:53,724 especially about the day he and Shekinah first hooked up. 241 00:13:53,724 --> 00:13:54,793 Let's watch. 242 00:13:56,724 --> 00:13:59,655 [speaking other language] 243 00:14:10,103 --> 00:14:13,448 I met my girlfriend, Shekinah, in a matchmaking site. 244 00:14:23,793 --> 00:14:25,103 After the first night, 245 00:14:25,103 --> 00:14:29,000 she said that she wants to see me the next night. 246 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:30,793 The next day, I remember 247 00:14:30,793 --> 00:14:33,275 that I was with two women that day. 248 00:14:34,275 --> 00:14:38,379 And I was so exhausted and also I was sick. 249 00:14:38,379 --> 00:14:41,620 So I tried to cancel the meeting with her, 250 00:14:41,620 --> 00:14:44,275 but she insisted to come and look after me. 251 00:14:44,275 --> 00:14:45,379 And I said, "Okay." 252 00:14:45,379 --> 00:14:48,413 The sex between us was perfect. 253 00:14:48,413 --> 00:14:50,896 I mean, I wasn't expecting that. 254 00:14:55,620 --> 00:14:59,896 My past, I dated lots of, lots of women. 255 00:14:59,896 --> 00:15:03,172 Most of them were one-night stands. 256 00:15:18,793 --> 00:15:19,689 [speaking other language] 257 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,517 I mean, it's not that easy 258 00:15:27,517 --> 00:15:31,379 to giving up bad boy lifestyle, but I love her. 259 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:37,689 So I hope I can get used to it because it will be difficult. 260 00:15:37,689 --> 00:15:40,000 I will do my best somehow. 261 00:15:40,724 --> 00:15:41,896 I don't know how. 262 00:15:42,379 --> 00:15:43,275 We'll see. 263 00:15:47,689 --> 00:15:49,517 Can we ask about the 2500? 264 00:15:49,517 --> 00:15:50,896 -[bleep] -[Shaun] Go ahead, Tanya. 265 00:15:50,896 --> 00:15:53,103 How does 2500 happen? 266 00:15:53,103 --> 00:15:54,206 I was trying to do the math. 267 00:15:54,206 --> 00:15:55,689 I don't know how old you are. 268 00:15:55,689 --> 00:15:56,793 It doesn't. 269 00:15:56,793 --> 00:16:00,586 I actually did the math, so 30 years I figured about 270 00:16:00,586 --> 00:16:02,689 a new person every four to five days. 271 00:16:02,689 --> 00:16:04,000 If you go out every night, 272 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:05,896 I mean, it's not that unreasonable 273 00:16:05,896 --> 00:16:07,655 if you've never had a relationship. 274 00:16:09,310 --> 00:16:13,586 By our calculations, 2500 women, 275 00:16:13,586 --> 00:16:16,482 means you had sex with a different woman 276 00:16:16,482 --> 00:16:20,896 every three and a half days since your 18th birthday. 277 00:16:20,896 --> 00:16:23,068 Was that, in fact, the reality? 278 00:16:27,896 --> 00:16:29,103 [Kenny speaking] 279 00:16:29,103 --> 00:16:30,103 [Dan speaking] 280 00:16:30,103 --> 00:16:31,758 [Sarper speaking] 281 00:16:33,793 --> 00:16:36,793 [Shaun] Does anybody else have a high number like Sarper? 282 00:16:38,517 --> 00:16:39,862 [laughing] 283 00:16:41,379 --> 00:16:42,862 Andre, do you have a number? 284 00:16:44,689 --> 00:16:45,758 [all laughing] 285 00:16:47,793 --> 00:16:51,275 Let me ask Mary, do you know Brandan's number? 286 00:16:51,620 --> 00:16:53,310 Yeah, he told me. 287 00:16:53,310 --> 00:16:54,413 What is it? 288 00:16:54,413 --> 00:16:55,896 Six. 289 00:16:55,896 --> 00:16:58,068 Guess what, I've been with six women too. 290 00:16:58,068 --> 00:16:59,551 [all laughing] 291 00:17:03,172 --> 00:17:06,275 What would you do, babe, if I told you my number? 292 00:17:06,275 --> 00:17:07,550 [Shaun] Mmm-hmm. 293 00:17:11,482 --> 00:17:12,689 [Kenny] He never asked you? 294 00:17:18,103 --> 00:17:19,586 -He doesn't want to know. -He doesn't wanna know. 295 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:22,205 [Tim] We wanna know. 296 00:17:22,205 --> 00:17:23,550 [Shaun] Sarper, do you know-- 297 00:17:24,792 --> 00:17:25,862 [Julio] Yeah, tell us. 298 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:28,000 Is it in the double digits? 299 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:29,241 [Shekinah] He would be shocked. 300 00:17:30,379 --> 00:17:32,551 He would be shocked by how few it is. 301 00:17:33,068 --> 00:17:34,413 He can't handle it. 302 00:17:34,413 --> 00:17:36,379 He said even if it's two, I don't want to know. 303 00:17:36,379 --> 00:17:37,931 Because he would view you as a whore 304 00:17:37,931 --> 00:17:40,379 -if it was anything more than one. -[laughing] 305 00:17:40,379 --> 00:17:42,275 -Even though he's literally the whore. -[Sarper speaking] 306 00:17:42,275 --> 00:17:43,793 Yeah. 307 00:17:43,793 --> 00:17:46,137 [Shekinah] That's in his past, that's not current. 308 00:17:46,724 --> 00:17:48,103 You know what, actually, 309 00:17:48,103 --> 00:17:51,000 you also have that freaking bottle collection of yours. 310 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:54,862 You love to keep your memories, and I hate it. 311 00:17:56,275 --> 00:17:58,896 What is the significance of the bottle collection? 312 00:17:58,896 --> 00:18:01,000 It's nothing, it's just a collection. 313 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:04,206 He has a memory with each bottle with a female. 314 00:18:04,206 --> 00:18:06,379 -[gasps] -And he keeps all the bottles. 315 00:18:06,379 --> 00:18:07,655 [Tanya] What the [bleep] 316 00:18:11,103 --> 00:18:12,379 I don't care. 317 00:18:12,379 --> 00:18:14,827 Then why do you have mementos that you're keeping? 318 00:18:14,827 --> 00:18:16,068 [Kenny] Trophies. 319 00:18:17,379 --> 00:18:21,344 This number of 2,500 women, 320 00:18:22,482 --> 00:18:25,068 a lot of people said they didn't believe it. 321 00:18:25,068 --> 00:18:26,689 And also, how'd you document it? 322 00:18:26,689 --> 00:18:28,103 Was it like stars on a chart? 323 00:18:28,103 --> 00:18:31,310 Well, he's doing three and four in a night. It's... 324 00:18:31,310 --> 00:18:32,758 -Didn't he say one time? -An abacus? 325 00:18:39,413 --> 00:18:41,172 He is. He's a numbers guy. 326 00:18:41,172 --> 00:18:43,068 [Sarper speaking] 327 00:18:56,793 --> 00:18:58,172 Yeah, I can hear you. 328 00:19:05,517 --> 00:19:07,034 [bleep] 329 00:19:08,620 --> 00:19:10,034 Oh, my God. 330 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:16,068 [exhales] 331 00:19:16,068 --> 00:19:18,724 Oh, my... 332 00:19:18,724 --> 00:19:20,310 That's disgusting. 333 00:19:20,310 --> 00:19:22,482 That is disgusting. 334 00:19:22,482 --> 00:19:26,310 Sarper, there are some things that you should not bring out, 335 00:19:26,310 --> 00:19:28,344 and this is one of those things. 336 00:19:30,689 --> 00:19:32,862 No. I won't see you until you get rid of it. 337 00:19:36,724 --> 00:19:39,793 Please welcome Brandan's mother, Angela. 338 00:19:40,896 --> 00:19:45,172 What would make Brandan call his wife a scammer 339 00:19:45,172 --> 00:19:48,000 and some of those other words that he admitted saying? 340 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,206 As long as she had money, she was great. 341 00:19:50,206 --> 00:19:52,379 But when the money wasn't around, it was, 342 00:19:52,379 --> 00:19:54,034 "I'm leaving you. We're breaking up." 343 00:19:58,724 --> 00:20:01,379 Do you guys wanna talk about the last incident? 344 00:20:19,172 --> 00:20:20,241 Okay. 345 00:20:28,793 --> 00:20:30,241 Oh, my God. 346 00:20:32,379 --> 00:20:34,068 You just said you're not proud of your number, 347 00:20:34,068 --> 00:20:36,034 but you're literally keeping a book. 348 00:20:37,896 --> 00:20:40,344 I don't care. Don't ever say you're not proud of it again. 349 00:20:47,034 --> 00:20:48,068 [Sarper speaking] 350 00:20:54,551 --> 00:20:56,689 Why are you taking that, by the way? 351 00:20:56,689 --> 00:20:58,172 I don't wanna see it. 352 00:21:01,172 --> 00:21:02,758 [Shaun] Oh, my gosh. 353 00:21:08,586 --> 00:21:11,034 Wait. What are the X's? X is one? 354 00:21:14,896 --> 00:21:17,103 Oh, my... 355 00:21:17,103 --> 00:21:20,482 -What? That's disgusting. -[Shaun] Oh, my gosh. 356 00:21:20,482 --> 00:21:21,689 That is disgusting. 357 00:21:21,689 --> 00:21:24,379 That looks like fantasy football or some [bleep]. 358 00:21:24,379 --> 00:21:26,793 This is like so toxic. 359 00:21:26,793 --> 00:21:29,206 Is your penis still attached to your body? 360 00:21:30,655 --> 00:21:32,137 What do the colors mean? 361 00:21:32,137 --> 00:21:33,344 Good question. 362 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:37,655 [Shaun] How pretty the girl was? 363 00:21:37,655 --> 00:21:40,689 Yeah, he literally was not picky. 364 00:21:40,689 --> 00:21:42,275 He would sleep with anyone. 365 00:21:42,275 --> 00:21:44,689 [Daniele] So no one has a name. Everyone's just an X. 366 00:21:44,689 --> 00:21:45,586 [Tim] Wait. What does that say? 367 00:21:45,586 --> 00:21:47,344 We have so many questions. 368 00:22:02,689 --> 00:22:06,448 Why didn't you just like destroy it? Or like why-- 369 00:22:06,448 --> 00:22:08,896 -[Sarper] Because... -Yeah, that's [bleep] embarrassing. 370 00:22:08,896 --> 00:22:11,482 It's nothing about Shekinah. I mean, it was my past. 371 00:22:11,482 --> 00:22:12,896 And she knows it. 372 00:22:12,896 --> 00:22:15,344 Why did you dig this out and show it to her? 373 00:22:23,172 --> 00:22:25,344 What if she did that to you? How would you feel? 374 00:22:25,344 --> 00:22:28,275 -Oh, my God. He would never talk to me again. -I mean, she-- 375 00:22:28,275 --> 00:22:30,758 Like, do you think it's disrespectful? Like... 376 00:22:32,793 --> 00:22:35,862 Shekinah, do you think it's disrespectful? 377 00:22:35,862 --> 00:22:37,758 Do you feel disrespected? 378 00:22:42,551 --> 00:22:43,655 Oh, my God. 379 00:22:48,068 --> 00:22:49,655 Quit showing it. 380 00:22:49,655 --> 00:22:52,551 I'm not manipulating her. If someone did that to me, I would be embarrassed. 381 00:22:52,551 --> 00:22:54,172 And I just-- That's why I was asking. 382 00:22:54,172 --> 00:22:55,862 It's definitely embarrassing. 383 00:23:01,137 --> 00:23:02,517 [Shekinah] Oh, please. 384 00:23:02,517 --> 00:23:05,758 Don't even talk-- You have nothing to talk about after your book. 385 00:23:06,655 --> 00:23:08,862 How are you feeling, Shekinah, after seeing that? 386 00:23:10,689 --> 00:23:12,586 I'm, you know, disgusted. 387 00:23:12,586 --> 00:23:13,655 Like... 388 00:23:16,586 --> 00:23:19,344 to make all these women an X in a book, 389 00:23:19,344 --> 00:23:20,482 it just-- I don't know. 390 00:23:20,482 --> 00:23:22,448 It just-- I don't like it. 391 00:23:24,586 --> 00:23:27,551 You're getting rid of that bottle collection and that book. 392 00:23:29,655 --> 00:23:30,965 Clearly it is. 393 00:23:36,896 --> 00:23:39,103 No. That's not how I look at it. Sorry. 394 00:23:39,482 --> 00:23:40,827 No. It disgusts me. 395 00:23:42,793 --> 00:23:45,310 She's asking a simple question. What are you gonna do with it? 396 00:23:47,551 --> 00:23:49,758 No. I won't see you until you get rid of it. 397 00:23:52,448 --> 00:23:56,103 Sarper, I believe that, you know, 398 00:23:56,103 --> 00:24:01,137 being transparent and being truthful and honest is good. 399 00:24:01,137 --> 00:24:05,758 But there are some things that you should not bring out, 400 00:24:05,758 --> 00:24:08,344 and this is one of those things. 401 00:24:08,344 --> 00:24:10,275 You should have just saw that book 402 00:24:10,275 --> 00:24:14,068 and burnt it right away and never brought it into daylight. 403 00:24:16,172 --> 00:24:18,448 I don't know. I just-- I think that's just [bleep] up. 404 00:24:19,793 --> 00:24:21,137 [Dan speaking] 405 00:24:33,275 --> 00:24:36,275 All right, well, Dan, thank you so much for joining us today 406 00:24:36,275 --> 00:24:37,586 and sharing your thoughts. 407 00:24:37,586 --> 00:24:40,034 We wish you the very best. 408 00:24:40,034 --> 00:24:41,310 Thank you so much. 409 00:24:43,275 --> 00:24:46,379 Shekinah, the last we saw you and Sarper, 410 00:24:46,379 --> 00:24:49,000 you had a huge argument 411 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,862 over whether you two would have a child. 412 00:24:51,862 --> 00:24:53,862 Where do you stand with that today? 413 00:24:55,034 --> 00:24:57,103 I'm still not willing to have a child. 414 00:24:57,103 --> 00:24:58,862 I don't want another child. 415 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,068 So, is this discussion between the two of you over? 416 00:25:08,034 --> 00:25:10,241 Well, I mean, I'm not changing my mind. 417 00:25:13,172 --> 00:25:14,551 No. I already told you. 418 00:25:14,551 --> 00:25:16,034 Why are you asking me that? 419 00:25:26,103 --> 00:25:27,689 Yeah, we can adopt a goat. 420 00:25:27,689 --> 00:25:28,896 [Alexei speaking] 421 00:25:28,896 --> 00:25:31,241 -[Shaun] A goat? You wanna adopt a goat? -What'd he say? 422 00:25:34,241 --> 00:25:35,793 We'll just adopt a lot of animals. 423 00:25:35,793 --> 00:25:38,068 I want baby goats. He wants cats. 424 00:25:39,793 --> 00:25:43,103 So, what is next for your future? 425 00:25:43,103 --> 00:25:45,689 We don't know. We're just... 426 00:25:45,689 --> 00:25:47,379 living every day one day at a time 427 00:25:47,379 --> 00:25:49,689 and enjoying our relationship and getting to know each other 428 00:25:49,689 --> 00:25:50,862 more and more every day. 429 00:25:50,862 --> 00:25:53,241 And we have something really special. 430 00:25:56,241 --> 00:25:58,172 Well, Shekinah and Sarper, 431 00:25:58,172 --> 00:26:00,896 thank you for being so honest. 432 00:26:00,896 --> 00:26:02,344 We wish you the best of luck. 433 00:26:02,965 --> 00:26:04,000 Thank you. 434 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,103 I wanna change gears and move on over 435 00:26:08,103 --> 00:26:10,448 to Brandan and Mary. 436 00:26:10,448 --> 00:26:13,344 Well, we last saw Brandan and Mary on their wedding day 437 00:26:13,344 --> 00:26:17,172 when Mary was a blushing and pregnant bride. 438 00:26:17,172 --> 00:26:20,172 Now they're parents to a beautiful baby girl. 439 00:26:20,172 --> 00:26:24,379 Once again, congratulations to you, Brandan and Mary. 440 00:26:24,379 --> 00:26:25,862 How old is the baby now? 441 00:26:26,689 --> 00:26:28,103 One month old. 442 00:26:28,103 --> 00:26:30,241 [Shaun] We heard that there was some tense moments 443 00:26:30,241 --> 00:26:32,517 during the delivery. Can you tell us about that? 444 00:26:41,379 --> 00:26:43,862 Umbilical cord was around the baby's neck. 445 00:26:43,862 --> 00:26:46,275 So it was wrapped around three times. 446 00:26:46,275 --> 00:26:49,068 -[Shaun] Oh, my God. -And Mary had a low-lying placenta as well. 447 00:27:03,758 --> 00:27:04,862 [Shaun] Wow. 448 00:27:04,862 --> 00:27:07,000 Brandan, what were you telling Mary during that time? 449 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,413 I mean, that must have been very scary for you also. 450 00:27:11,551 --> 00:27:13,172 Yeah, I mean, um... 451 00:27:13,172 --> 00:27:17,068 you know, she had left a note on the phone 452 00:27:17,068 --> 00:27:18,793 basically saying like, you know, 453 00:27:18,793 --> 00:27:20,793 "If something were to happen to me, 454 00:27:20,793 --> 00:27:22,655 take care of Midnight. 455 00:27:22,655 --> 00:27:24,689 Find someone that you deserve," 456 00:27:24,689 --> 00:27:25,793 or something like that. 457 00:27:25,793 --> 00:27:28,000 And I was just like, "There's nothing to worry about. 458 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,379 We got trained professionals." 459 00:27:29,379 --> 00:27:33,000 And I just wanted to instill some hope into her, 460 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,172 you know, to show her that, you know, 461 00:27:34,172 --> 00:27:35,551 there's light at the end of the tunnel. 462 00:27:35,551 --> 00:27:39,034 Not in the sense of like, you know, "Go towards the light," 463 00:27:39,034 --> 00:27:41,793 or anything. But like there's hope. 464 00:27:41,793 --> 00:27:44,482 Yeah, I'm good now. And I feel better. 465 00:27:44,482 --> 00:27:46,655 I'm recovering. It still hurts. 466 00:27:46,655 --> 00:27:49,172 But, you know, I feel better. 467 00:27:49,172 --> 00:27:52,689 We are so glad that your are much, much better 468 00:27:52,689 --> 00:27:54,448 and the baby is healthy. 469 00:27:54,448 --> 00:27:56,586 Does she have a personality like yours 470 00:27:56,586 --> 00:27:58,137 or like Brandan's? 471 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:03,241 She looks a lot like me. 472 00:28:03,241 --> 00:28:05,862 Um, she sleeps like me. 473 00:28:05,862 --> 00:28:08,344 Um, she does these-- 474 00:28:13,241 --> 00:28:15,655 [Brandan] She does this thing every time she's done pooping, 475 00:28:15,655 --> 00:28:17,724 she does this face. It's like... 476 00:28:18,137 --> 00:28:20,000 [all laughing] 477 00:28:20,655 --> 00:28:22,517 -That's so cute. -[Mary] Yeah. 478 00:28:23,379 --> 00:28:25,586 [Shaun] Well, we are so happy to hear 479 00:28:25,586 --> 00:28:27,793 that everyone is safe and healthy. 480 00:28:27,793 --> 00:28:31,137 In fact, I believe we have some photos of Midnight. 481 00:28:31,137 --> 00:28:32,413 Can we see those? 482 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,793 -Aw. -Aw. 483 00:28:35,793 --> 00:28:37,034 [Shaun] Adorable. 484 00:28:37,034 --> 00:28:38,275 [Daniele] She's so cute. 485 00:28:38,275 --> 00:28:39,965 [Shaun] Oh, sweet. 486 00:28:40,896 --> 00:28:42,068 [Shekinah] Cute. 487 00:28:42,068 --> 00:28:45,275 [Shaun] Oh, how beautiful. Congratulations. 488 00:28:45,275 --> 00:28:46,896 Thank you. 489 00:28:46,896 --> 00:28:51,965 Mary, how would you rate Brandan helping out with the baby? 490 00:28:51,965 --> 00:28:54,137 Is he still playing video games? 491 00:28:55,241 --> 00:28:57,793 Yeah, he's still playing video games, 492 00:28:57,793 --> 00:29:00,241 but not too much. 493 00:29:02,034 --> 00:29:03,689 There are times when I could like... 494 00:29:03,689 --> 00:29:06,586 I get lost in a game and hours go by 495 00:29:06,586 --> 00:29:10,344 and I'm like, "Oh, [bleep], I didn't even realize it was this late." 496 00:29:10,344 --> 00:29:13,448 And Mary's over there tired, holding Midnight. 497 00:29:14,379 --> 00:29:16,000 She's afraid that I'll get upset 498 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,344 if she comes out to the living room 499 00:29:17,344 --> 00:29:18,551 -and I'm playing games-- -[Mary] Yeah, because you're like... 500 00:29:18,551 --> 00:29:20,310 ...and she's like, "Oh, take over." 501 00:29:34,275 --> 00:29:37,758 I'm a passionate gamer. Like, love playing games. 502 00:29:37,758 --> 00:29:40,068 It's been a problem in a lot of relationships. 503 00:29:40,068 --> 00:29:42,482 She is too afraid to approach him, 504 00:29:42,482 --> 00:29:44,758 to disturb him from playing a video game 505 00:29:44,758 --> 00:29:45,896 to pass off the child, 506 00:29:45,896 --> 00:29:48,517 that, I have a big problem with that. 507 00:29:49,586 --> 00:29:53,275 You talked about Brandan having a bit of a temper. 508 00:29:53,275 --> 00:29:56,172 What is he like when he gets mad? 509 00:29:56,172 --> 00:30:01,172 He's shouting and, you know, say words that will hurt me. 510 00:30:01,172 --> 00:30:03,241 Words that will hurt you like what? 511 00:30:03,965 --> 00:30:06,344 I do sometimes call her a scammer. 512 00:30:07,379 --> 00:30:10,000 Like, she's only happy when she has money 513 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,689 or something like that. 514 00:30:11,689 --> 00:30:14,482 And that really upsets her. That really makes her upset. 515 00:30:14,482 --> 00:30:15,758 Call her a bitch. 516 00:30:17,758 --> 00:30:19,379 Most of the time, if I get mad, 517 00:30:19,379 --> 00:30:21,034 I just get-- I call her a bitch. 518 00:30:21,586 --> 00:30:22,758 What the [bleep]? 519 00:30:26,379 --> 00:30:28,034 This is where the confusion comes in 520 00:30:28,034 --> 00:30:29,551 is he wasn't upset. 521 00:30:29,551 --> 00:30:33,275 I'm holding my baby. He's yelling at me. 522 00:30:33,275 --> 00:30:35,896 Do you think he thought them having a baby 523 00:30:35,896 --> 00:30:39,000 was gonna make sure she didn't leave him? 524 00:30:52,482 --> 00:30:54,000 Most of the time, if I get mad, 525 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,655 I would just get-- I call her a bitch. 526 00:30:55,655 --> 00:30:57,068 What the [bleep]? 527 00:30:59,379 --> 00:31:02,103 Mary, how do you respond when he calls you a bitch? 528 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,034 And how does that make you feel, Brandan? 529 00:31:09,586 --> 00:31:12,586 I don't mean the things I say when I get mad. 530 00:31:12,586 --> 00:31:14,896 I just say it to make her upset. 531 00:31:14,896 --> 00:31:17,793 Sometimes I say it just so she'll get mad. 532 00:31:17,793 --> 00:31:19,482 If I'm gonna get into an argument with her, 533 00:31:19,482 --> 00:31:21,000 I want her to argue with me, 534 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:22,448 not just be like, "Oh, I'm sorry. 535 00:31:22,448 --> 00:31:24,275 It's all my fault," and all this stuff. 536 00:31:24,275 --> 00:31:27,793 Mary has a hard time not being submissive. 537 00:31:27,793 --> 00:31:29,793 I want her to stand up for herself. 538 00:31:29,793 --> 00:31:32,965 So you call her a bitch so she'll fight back? 539 00:31:32,965 --> 00:31:36,344 I just want her to kind of be like, "Don't call me that. 540 00:31:36,344 --> 00:31:37,793 I'm not a bitch," or, you know. 541 00:31:37,793 --> 00:31:40,034 Like, I wanna get that out of her. 542 00:31:40,034 --> 00:31:43,482 To purposely call someone something for a reaction, 543 00:31:43,482 --> 00:31:46,068 that's pretty narcissistic there, baby. 544 00:31:50,241 --> 00:31:51,413 Brandan. 545 00:31:53,586 --> 00:31:55,586 Yeah, it is. 546 00:31:55,586 --> 00:31:57,000 'Cause that's the mother of your kids. 547 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,655 It's like it's a different level of respect now. 548 00:31:58,655 --> 00:32:00,586 She carried your baby. She like... 549 00:32:00,586 --> 00:32:02,137 gave birth to her. 550 00:32:02,137 --> 00:32:06,068 I'm surprised. I thought Brandan was an angel. 551 00:32:06,068 --> 00:32:08,482 I really did until now. 552 00:32:08,482 --> 00:32:09,896 [Daniele] And the fact that you're able to say, 553 00:32:09,896 --> 00:32:11,689 "I've done these things and it's not good, 554 00:32:11,689 --> 00:32:13,896 and I want it to be healthier," is helpful. 555 00:32:13,896 --> 00:32:17,000 But I feel like you have to make sure that you're taking the steps 556 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,689 so that you never call that girl a bitch again. 557 00:32:19,689 --> 00:32:21,448 Yeah. I do feel bad. 558 00:32:22,482 --> 00:32:24,241 Get your [bleep] together, man. 559 00:32:24,241 --> 00:32:27,448 "Bitch." That's your favorite. Favorite word. 560 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,379 All right, well, before we go any further, 561 00:32:32,379 --> 00:32:35,896 I wanna bring out Brandan's mother, Angela. 562 00:32:35,896 --> 00:32:38,172 They had a complicated relationship. 563 00:32:38,172 --> 00:32:40,896 And whether she's being supportive or critical, 564 00:32:40,896 --> 00:32:45,034 Angela has never been shy about expressing her opinions. 565 00:32:45,034 --> 00:32:48,172 Please welcome Brandan's mother, Angela. 566 00:32:49,793 --> 00:32:51,482 -Hello. -[Daniele] Hi. 567 00:32:51,482 --> 00:32:52,620 Hello. 568 00:32:53,103 --> 00:32:54,758 [Shaun] Hi there. 569 00:32:54,758 --> 00:32:55,862 [Angela] Hi, guys. 570 00:32:56,172 --> 00:32:57,310 -Hey. -Hey. 571 00:32:58,344 --> 00:33:02,586 Angela, a lot of people were shocked here on this set 572 00:33:02,586 --> 00:33:07,000 when he admitted to calling Mary these terrible names. 573 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,586 They thought that he was quite the different personality. 574 00:33:10,586 --> 00:33:16,965 I wanna know, what would make Brandan call his wife a scammer, 575 00:33:16,965 --> 00:33:18,793 the B word? 576 00:33:18,793 --> 00:33:21,448 Well, in the past, I mean... 577 00:33:22,379 --> 00:33:23,586 the behavior was, 578 00:33:23,586 --> 00:33:25,965 as long as she had money, she was great. 579 00:33:26,758 --> 00:33:28,689 But when the money wasn't around, 580 00:33:28,689 --> 00:33:30,482 she wasn't great. It was, 581 00:33:30,482 --> 00:33:32,586 "I'm leaving you. We're breaking up. 582 00:33:32,586 --> 00:33:35,241 I can't do this anymore. You're not my boyfriend." 583 00:33:35,241 --> 00:33:37,620 Block, delete, for days. 584 00:33:40,379 --> 00:33:42,379 Has he ever called you and been like, 585 00:33:42,379 --> 00:33:44,689 "She's mad 'cause I don't have money. 586 00:33:44,689 --> 00:33:45,827 Can you send me some?" 587 00:33:47,689 --> 00:33:49,172 [sighs] 588 00:33:49,172 --> 00:33:52,034 It-- it's been more like, 589 00:33:52,034 --> 00:33:54,103 "We are in a really tough spot. 590 00:33:54,103 --> 00:33:55,689 She doesn't want me to ask you, 591 00:33:55,689 --> 00:33:57,551 and she's mad that I'm asking you, 592 00:33:57,551 --> 00:33:59,448 but I don't know where else to go." 593 00:34:00,172 --> 00:34:01,586 Are you fine doing it though? 594 00:34:01,586 --> 00:34:03,896 Like, endless-- for an endless time? 595 00:34:03,896 --> 00:34:05,068 Yes, I'm fine doing it. 596 00:34:05,068 --> 00:34:08,241 This is my son and that's my granddaughter. 597 00:34:08,241 --> 00:34:10,103 [Shaun] So the baby's a month old. 598 00:34:10,103 --> 00:34:13,585 -[Angela] Yeah. -Obviously, with a baby, comes more expenses. 599 00:34:13,585 --> 00:34:16,688 How are you guys handling that, Brandan? 600 00:34:16,688 --> 00:34:18,757 Well, the thing is with the expenses, 601 00:34:18,757 --> 00:34:20,688 we had already prepared, 602 00:34:20,688 --> 00:34:25,000 getting her clothes, getting her cleaning supplies, 603 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,000 you know, diapers, baby wipes, 604 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,379 baby soap. 605 00:34:28,379 --> 00:34:31,551 I haven't asked money from my mother for about... 606 00:34:32,862 --> 00:34:34,206 I think three weeks now. 607 00:34:43,482 --> 00:34:48,034 Do you expect to have to ask your mother for support again? 608 00:34:48,482 --> 00:34:49,757 No, I don't expect to. 609 00:34:50,585 --> 00:34:53,241 But you will 'cause a baby's expensive. 610 00:34:53,241 --> 00:34:55,000 It's expensive. 611 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:56,172 Yeah. 612 00:34:56,172 --> 00:34:59,689 [Shaun] Angela, what are your biggest concerns for Brandan 613 00:34:59,689 --> 00:35:02,482 now that he has this family of three? 614 00:35:02,482 --> 00:35:04,551 His wife and a new baby. 615 00:35:07,275 --> 00:35:09,827 [breathes deeply] 616 00:35:10,862 --> 00:35:13,103 Honestly, I would say my biggest concern for them 617 00:35:13,103 --> 00:35:17,137 is, um, that they don't have the tools 618 00:35:17,137 --> 00:35:21,000 that they need to work together. 619 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:25,448 Um, they both completely have different communication styles. 620 00:35:25,448 --> 00:35:29,103 Brandan is literal with everything. 621 00:35:29,103 --> 00:35:31,000 And she's the opposite. 622 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,689 You have to really push him to a limit 623 00:35:33,689 --> 00:35:36,172 for him to snap and get like-- blow up 624 00:35:36,172 --> 00:35:37,862 or raise his voice or something. 625 00:35:37,862 --> 00:35:41,000 -Um-- -What could Mary possibly do to Brandan 626 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,034 that would make him call her some of those other words 627 00:35:44,034 --> 00:35:45,482 that he admitted saying? 628 00:35:45,482 --> 00:35:47,689 I still haven't gotten an answer to that. 629 00:35:47,689 --> 00:35:49,344 Right, yeah. 630 00:35:49,344 --> 00:35:52,241 Do you guys wanna talk about the last incident? 631 00:35:58,896 --> 00:36:00,379 Yeah. 632 00:36:00,379 --> 00:36:03,689 So I had gotten, um, a message from Mary, 633 00:36:03,689 --> 00:36:08,482 um, that Brandan had the volume on too loud of the movie 634 00:36:08,482 --> 00:36:09,793 or whatever it was. 635 00:36:09,793 --> 00:36:13,586 She was afraid to, like, ask him to turn it down or whatever. 636 00:36:13,586 --> 00:36:15,379 She didn't want him to get mad. 637 00:36:15,379 --> 00:36:17,482 Then she messages back and she says, "Now he's mad. 638 00:36:17,482 --> 00:36:20,758 And now he's outside listening to his music on his phone." 639 00:36:20,758 --> 00:36:23,586 I message him and I'm like, "What the heck's going on? 640 00:36:23,586 --> 00:36:24,896 Like, what are you getting upset-- 641 00:36:24,896 --> 00:36:27,689 like, what's going on?" 642 00:36:27,689 --> 00:36:30,862 This is where the confusion comes in, is he wasn't upset. 643 00:36:32,689 --> 00:36:34,758 So instead of just turning it down, 644 00:36:34,758 --> 00:36:36,172 he turned it off 645 00:36:36,172 --> 00:36:38,241 and went outside to listen to music on his phone. 646 00:36:38,241 --> 00:36:39,965 He wasn't upset at all. 647 00:36:50,862 --> 00:36:53,034 and then when that gets to like a boiling point, 648 00:36:53,034 --> 00:36:55,241 they do not know how to handle it. 649 00:36:55,241 --> 00:36:56,896 You know, his instinct is to leave. 650 00:36:56,896 --> 00:36:58,034 She doesn't want him to leave. 651 00:36:58,034 --> 00:36:59,758 And then it just becomes this huge thing. 652 00:37:05,137 --> 00:37:08,551 I'm holding my baby. He's yelling at me... 653 00:37:09,103 --> 00:37:10,965 while I'm holding my baby. 654 00:37:11,896 --> 00:37:13,379 You know, listen. Number one, 655 00:37:13,379 --> 00:37:14,965 you need therapy, both of you. 656 00:37:14,965 --> 00:37:16,379 So there's that. 657 00:37:16,379 --> 00:37:18,586 It is not okay for my son 658 00:37:18,586 --> 00:37:21,275 to raise his voice or yell at her, 659 00:37:21,275 --> 00:37:23,689 especially in front of their daughter. 660 00:37:23,689 --> 00:37:26,689 If he's getting to that point, leave. 661 00:37:26,689 --> 00:37:28,896 Take a walk, you know. Whatever. 662 00:37:28,896 --> 00:37:31,241 But don't let your emotions get so much 663 00:37:31,241 --> 00:37:34,551 that you're like causing a huge like scene. 664 00:37:37,689 --> 00:37:39,068 Mary. [laughs] 665 00:37:39,068 --> 00:37:40,000 Girl. 666 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:42,172 [exhales] 667 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:48,068 I want you to understand that, in all honesty, 668 00:37:48,068 --> 00:37:51,793 both of you need individual therapy 669 00:37:51,793 --> 00:37:54,482 for your own individual traumas. 670 00:37:54,482 --> 00:37:56,241 -Yes. -And I want you to understand 671 00:37:56,241 --> 00:37:58,103 that when you're talking to somebody 672 00:37:58,103 --> 00:38:03,000 who is in a position to help you, 673 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:07,172 learn the tools that you need that are necessary 674 00:38:07,172 --> 00:38:09,482 to not only be a healthy individual, 675 00:38:09,482 --> 00:38:12,344 but to be a healthy partner. 676 00:38:12,344 --> 00:38:16,448 It is not an attack on who you are. 677 00:38:16,448 --> 00:38:19,965 You are so afraid of being wrong, 678 00:38:19,965 --> 00:38:23,241 of failing, of not being good enough, 679 00:38:23,241 --> 00:38:24,896 that you think that if you say, 680 00:38:24,896 --> 00:38:26,586 "This is what I'm struggling with," 681 00:38:26,586 --> 00:38:28,758 that makes you a failure. 682 00:38:29,068 --> 00:38:30,896 And it doesn't. 683 00:38:30,896 --> 00:38:32,206 [Mary sniffles] 684 00:38:33,379 --> 00:38:37,793 Why don't you wanna go to therapy or counseling or something? 685 00:38:37,793 --> 00:38:39,551 Why won't you go? 686 00:38:44,068 --> 00:38:49,793 I'm just scared, like, I will get judged. 687 00:38:49,793 --> 00:38:54,517 Or, you know, people will say I'm crazy or something. 688 00:38:58,103 --> 00:39:01,482 How is therapy viewed in your culture, Mary? 689 00:39:01,482 --> 00:39:02,862 Yeah. 690 00:39:02,862 --> 00:39:04,137 Good question. 691 00:39:04,896 --> 00:39:06,862 Here, in our culture, 692 00:39:06,862 --> 00:39:09,379 if you go to a therapy, 693 00:39:09,379 --> 00:39:11,655 they'll think you're crazy. 694 00:39:14,655 --> 00:39:16,862 So what do people do when they're struggling 695 00:39:16,862 --> 00:39:18,448 with their mental health? 696 00:39:19,137 --> 00:39:20,689 -They suffer. -They suffer. 697 00:39:20,689 --> 00:39:22,034 -It's the same in Samoa. -Yes. 698 00:39:22,034 --> 00:39:24,862 -It's the same in-- -There's one therapist in the entire country. 699 00:39:24,862 --> 00:39:26,517 And if you go, you're insane. 700 00:39:31,379 --> 00:39:33,586 I just don't like sharing my problems. 701 00:39:33,586 --> 00:39:34,931 That's-- that's it. 702 00:40:02,137 --> 00:40:05,241 Personally, Mary's already said that she has trust issues. 703 00:40:05,241 --> 00:40:07,896 I feel like maybe she needs to get deeper within 704 00:40:07,896 --> 00:40:09,068 this relationship with Brandan 705 00:40:09,068 --> 00:40:11,103 before she can reach out to a complete stranger 706 00:40:11,103 --> 00:40:13,344 and trust them not to judge her. 707 00:40:14,586 --> 00:40:17,448 It makes me really sad, because you do really love each other. 708 00:40:17,448 --> 00:40:19,379 It's very obvious that there is love there. 709 00:40:19,379 --> 00:40:21,482 And whether that love is rooted in trauma 710 00:40:21,482 --> 00:40:24,793 or rooted in, you know, actual love 711 00:40:24,793 --> 00:40:26,172 is to be seen. 712 00:40:26,172 --> 00:40:29,137 But I feel like you both need a lot of help. 713 00:40:29,655 --> 00:40:31,310 You need a lot of help. 714 00:40:32,586 --> 00:40:35,000 I'm a father of four. 715 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,103 Even if they bring you into it, I'd butt out, 716 00:40:37,103 --> 00:40:39,482 because you're gonna get in a bad relationship 717 00:40:39,482 --> 00:40:41,344 with one or both of them. 718 00:40:42,172 --> 00:40:44,482 When my kids talk to me, I listen, 719 00:40:44,482 --> 00:40:46,482 but I don't give a lot of advice 720 00:40:46,482 --> 00:40:47,793 because it can backfire. 721 00:40:47,793 --> 00:40:50,000 You're gonna piss her off or you're gonna piss him off. 722 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,275 And then you're gonna be the one cancelled. 723 00:40:52,275 --> 00:40:55,689 I don't think they're ready to be parents. 724 00:40:55,689 --> 00:40:57,586 Whose idea was it, do you think, 725 00:40:57,586 --> 00:40:59,448 that they wanted to have a baby? 726 00:40:59,448 --> 00:41:01,000 Whose idea? 727 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,448 Uh, if I had to-- I would say Mary. 728 00:41:04,448 --> 00:41:05,655 Mmm, shocker. 729 00:41:07,482 --> 00:41:09,448 I was shocked to hear that they were trying. 730 00:41:09,448 --> 00:41:11,000 That was shocking. 731 00:41:13,965 --> 00:41:16,551 Do you think he thought them having a baby 732 00:41:16,551 --> 00:41:19,655 was gonna make sure she didn't leave him? 733 00:41:21,172 --> 00:41:22,310 Um... 734 00:41:31,103 --> 00:41:32,482 [exhales] 735 00:41:32,482 --> 00:41:34,586 What do you think of Mary's social media? 736 00:41:34,586 --> 00:41:35,793 I've seen some of her videos 737 00:41:35,793 --> 00:41:37,689 and they're pretty provocative. 738 00:41:37,689 --> 00:41:39,793 I think there is double standards in that aspect. 739 00:41:39,793 --> 00:41:41,793 You know, like she doesn't want me talking to other girls, 740 00:41:41,793 --> 00:41:45,172 but she's also trying to like post videos of her in a bikini 741 00:41:45,172 --> 00:41:46,793 and stuff like that. 742 00:41:46,793 --> 00:41:48,344 A lot of people do that. 743 00:41:48,344 --> 00:41:50,344 If he was shaking his butt in his Speedos, 744 00:41:50,344 --> 00:41:52,827 she would not tolerate that at all. 745 00:41:59,034 --> 00:42:02,000 Are you seriously coming up to me and confronting me? 746 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:03,827 Why do you like to challenge women? 747 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:08,896 [Shekinah] Go sit down. 748 00:42:08,896 --> 00:42:11,448 Get out of my face. Goodbye. 749 00:42:25,862 --> 00:42:27,241 [exhales] 750 00:42:29,103 --> 00:42:31,448 I definitely think that they believed 751 00:42:31,448 --> 00:42:34,068 that having a child would bond them together. 752 00:42:34,068 --> 00:42:36,103 Not financially, per se, 753 00:42:36,103 --> 00:42:38,862 but emotionally. 754 00:42:38,862 --> 00:42:42,689 I think that they just skipped over the whole honeymoon phase. 755 00:42:42,689 --> 00:42:44,172 But, I mean, Brandan got there 756 00:42:44,172 --> 00:42:47,172 and it's not like they grew together for a little bit. 757 00:42:47,172 --> 00:42:49,206 Like, they didn't really enjoy their relationship. 758 00:42:49,206 --> 00:42:52,655 I mean, they just, you know, went straight into marriage, 759 00:42:52,655 --> 00:42:54,000 they had a child, 760 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,000 and now they're just trying to coexist with everything around them 761 00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,482 without actually enjoying the basics of their relationship. 762 00:43:01,034 --> 00:43:03,000 [Shaun] Well, there were lots of issues 763 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,344 from the very start of Brandan and Mary's relationship. 764 00:43:07,793 --> 00:43:09,034 Before dating each other, 765 00:43:09,034 --> 00:43:11,448 Brandan and Mary both had been cheated on 766 00:43:11,448 --> 00:43:12,724 multiple times. 767 00:43:13,862 --> 00:43:16,137 This led to some serious trust issues 768 00:43:16,137 --> 00:43:20,310 when it came to them being around members of the opposite sex. 769 00:43:20,310 --> 00:43:21,655 Let's take a look. 770 00:43:25,103 --> 00:43:27,896 [Mary] Even though I love him so much, 771 00:43:27,896 --> 00:43:31,448 I sometimes unplug the router when I go out. 772 00:43:31,448 --> 00:43:37,103 And them I tell him that we have power outages here. 773 00:43:37,103 --> 00:43:40,793 It's only because today I'm going to meet my friends 774 00:43:40,793 --> 00:43:43,793 and Brandan gets jealous about them 775 00:43:43,793 --> 00:43:45,448 because they are guys. 776 00:43:51,379 --> 00:43:55,620 I turned off the Wi-Fi and then I hang up the phone 777 00:43:56,206 --> 00:43:57,689 'cause we're hanging out. 778 00:43:58,172 --> 00:43:59,413 He's always jealous. 779 00:43:59,413 --> 00:44:01,965 And I'm the same way. You know that. 780 00:44:20,586 --> 00:44:23,965 [Brandan] She's automatically thinking, "Oh, he's gonna flirt. 781 00:44:24,482 --> 00:44:27,655 He's some type of pig." 782 00:44:28,551 --> 00:44:31,275 Because Mary is so insecure. 783 00:45:00,068 --> 00:45:03,827 Brandan, Mary, how does it feel seeing that again? 784 00:45:04,620 --> 00:45:05,758 Um... 785 00:45:08,103 --> 00:45:10,310 [bleep]. It feels very [bleep]. 786 00:45:12,862 --> 00:45:15,137 You know, thankfully, it has gotten much better. 787 00:45:17,275 --> 00:45:18,931 Mary, how do you feel? 788 00:45:20,793 --> 00:45:23,344 Um, watching that makes me feel like... [laughs] 789 00:45:23,344 --> 00:45:25,965 ...I really crazy way back. 790 00:45:25,965 --> 00:45:28,034 And I feel bad about myself. 791 00:45:28,034 --> 00:45:30,241 I hate myself on that. 792 00:45:30,241 --> 00:45:33,172 [laughs] 'Cause I'm like too much. 793 00:45:34,793 --> 00:45:36,517 [Shaun] Angela, I was watching you 794 00:45:36,517 --> 00:45:37,689 as you were watching that, 795 00:45:37,689 --> 00:45:41,310 and you looked like you could not contain yourself. 796 00:45:41,310 --> 00:45:42,620 What were you thinking? 797 00:45:45,103 --> 00:45:46,827 Oh, I'm pissed. 798 00:45:50,172 --> 00:45:51,965 I mean... [clears throat] 799 00:45:52,310 --> 00:45:53,448 Um... 800 00:45:55,068 --> 00:45:58,034 my daughter, um, she hates Mary. 801 00:45:58,551 --> 00:45:59,896 Hates her. 802 00:45:59,896 --> 00:46:01,551 Wants nothing to do with her. 803 00:46:01,551 --> 00:46:04,379 She's still blocked on everything. 804 00:46:04,379 --> 00:46:07,379 And when she sees these things, 805 00:46:07,379 --> 00:46:08,793 she has to leave the room. 806 00:46:09,206 --> 00:46:11,172 You know? She's... 807 00:46:11,172 --> 00:46:15,103 She's like, "I don't know how you can even like that bitch." 808 00:46:15,551 --> 00:46:17,172 You know? 809 00:46:17,172 --> 00:46:18,896 And I'm just gonna ask, you know, like, 810 00:46:18,896 --> 00:46:20,344 I know, you know, everyone's like, 811 00:46:20,344 --> 00:46:21,689 "How can he call her that?" 812 00:46:21,689 --> 00:46:23,413 But what you just saw... 813 00:46:23,413 --> 00:46:25,758 [laughs] ...how could you not? 814 00:46:27,275 --> 00:46:31,758 I've seen more couples' than I can count stories. 815 00:46:31,758 --> 00:46:37,482 She is the most controlling female I've ever seen. 816 00:46:38,862 --> 00:46:41,965 I was so controlling before because, you know, 817 00:46:41,965 --> 00:46:44,000 I'm so insecure about myself. 818 00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:48,655 [crying] I feel like if Brandan saw a girl, like... 819 00:46:48,655 --> 00:46:51,793 you know, girls everywhere are pretty. 820 00:46:51,793 --> 00:46:55,172 And... I'm scared he might leave me. 821 00:46:55,172 --> 00:46:56,758 I love him so much. 822 00:47:02,241 --> 00:47:04,965 I was curious what you think about their dynamic-- 823 00:47:04,965 --> 00:47:07,689 Do you think that Mary is like, um, 824 00:47:07,689 --> 00:47:10,620 some manipulative mastermind that has bad intentions... 825 00:47:10,620 --> 00:47:12,034 -No. -...that comes from a place of malice? 826 00:47:12,034 --> 00:47:14,172 -Absolutely not. -Or do you think she's a soft-hearted person 827 00:47:14,172 --> 00:47:15,241 that just needs a little help? 828 00:47:15,241 --> 00:47:16,551 That's kind of broke-- Like, you know. 829 00:47:16,551 --> 00:47:20,000 No, I don't think she's a manipulative mastermind. 830 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,206 No. I did think that 831 00:47:23,206 --> 00:47:25,137 when I first heard about their relationship 832 00:47:25,137 --> 00:47:26,275 and that whole dynamic. 833 00:47:26,275 --> 00:47:28,896 I didn't understand the background that she came from. 834 00:47:28,896 --> 00:47:32,758 All I knew was that she was hurting my son. 835 00:47:32,758 --> 00:47:34,586 [Holly] I think you guys like love each other so much. 836 00:47:34,586 --> 00:47:36,241 I think you guys should go to the United States. 837 00:47:36,241 --> 00:47:38,310 You'd have a stronger support system. 838 00:47:38,310 --> 00:47:40,206 I would love for them to come here. 839 00:47:40,206 --> 00:47:42,482 And I would love for her to visit 840 00:47:42,482 --> 00:47:45,310 and just determine if this is someplace that she would-- 841 00:47:45,310 --> 00:47:48,206 she could possibly see herself settling down. 842 00:47:48,206 --> 00:47:50,000 That's the thing. We're kind of, uh, 843 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,413 one foot staying at the house that we built, 844 00:47:52,413 --> 00:47:57,241 and one foot leaning towards moving out of the Philippines altogether. 845 00:47:57,241 --> 00:47:59,655 Mary really wants to visit America. 846 00:47:59,655 --> 00:48:01,379 I want her to visit America 847 00:48:01,379 --> 00:48:03,482 and meet my family in person. 848 00:48:03,482 --> 00:48:06,344 I want my mom to see Midnight in person. 849 00:48:06,344 --> 00:48:11,413 And I want her to really experience the cultural difference. 850 00:48:11,413 --> 00:48:14,482 And we could try and make it work there too. 851 00:48:15,724 --> 00:48:18,344 But I don't want to leave my grandmother 852 00:48:18,344 --> 00:48:20,000 Because she's sick. 853 00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:21,137 She have asthma. 854 00:48:21,137 --> 00:48:24,000 I don't want something bad to happen to her without me. 855 00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,551 So, maybe, visit America. 856 00:48:28,172 --> 00:48:30,965 Let me just say, prior to me going there, 857 00:48:30,965 --> 00:48:36,344 if Brandan and I were on the phone she would flip the hell out. 858 00:48:36,344 --> 00:48:38,724 He'd have to hang up, he'd have to leave the room, 859 00:48:38,724 --> 00:48:41,724 or she would have to be right there with him watching. 860 00:48:41,724 --> 00:48:44,758 Now, he can walk out the house, 861 00:48:44,758 --> 00:48:46,793 he can talk to me about whatever. 862 00:48:46,793 --> 00:48:50,241 He was on FaceTime with me last night and all the time now. 863 00:48:50,241 --> 00:48:51,896 The level of, like... 864 00:48:51,896 --> 00:48:53,275 -[Julio speaking] -Yes. 865 00:48:53,275 --> 00:48:54,758 -Thank you. -Yeah. 866 00:48:54,758 --> 00:48:57,172 [Holly] I love the fact that you stood up for your daughter-in-law. 867 00:48:57,172 --> 00:49:02,896 She has a lot of amazing qualities. She really does. 868 00:49:02,896 --> 00:49:05,655 And she loves and takes care of my son 869 00:49:05,655 --> 00:49:08,689 in a way that he has never experienced. 870 00:49:14,793 --> 00:49:17,586 All right, Angela, we appreciate your time. 871 00:49:17,586 --> 00:49:19,620 -Yeah, welcome. -[Shaun] Thank you for coming and sharing 872 00:49:19,620 --> 00:49:22,172 your very, very candid thoughts 873 00:49:22,172 --> 00:49:25,172 about your son and daughter-in-law, 874 00:49:25,172 --> 00:49:27,758 so, we wish you the very best in the future. 875 00:49:27,758 --> 00:49:30,379 And congratulations on being a grandma. 876 00:49:30,379 --> 00:49:31,586 Thanks, guys. 877 00:49:32,034 --> 00:49:33,344 Bye, Mom. 878 00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:35,482 -Okay, bye. -Bye. 879 00:49:36,620 --> 00:49:39,379 [Mary speaking in English] 880 00:50:02,655 --> 00:50:04,965 -[Brandan whispers] -It's okay. 881 00:50:05,793 --> 00:50:08,965 [Shaun] Hey, Mary and Brandan, I wanna ask you 882 00:50:08,965 --> 00:50:11,551 what is the jealousy situation like now? 883 00:50:11,551 --> 00:50:15,379 Are you still prevented from interacting with the opposite sex? 884 00:50:17,689 --> 00:50:19,413 I mean, I don't... 885 00:50:21,103 --> 00:50:24,620 I don't really use social media, so, it's not, like, I... 886 00:50:24,620 --> 00:50:26,965 interact with people online that much 887 00:50:26,965 --> 00:50:30,103 except for, like, my mom. 888 00:50:30,103 --> 00:50:31,965 Does she have social media? 889 00:50:32,275 --> 00:50:33,689 Yes, she does. 890 00:50:33,689 --> 00:50:35,448 What do you think of Mary's social media? 891 00:50:35,448 --> 00:50:38,413 I've seen some of her videos and they are pretty provocative. 892 00:50:40,862 --> 00:50:42,034 I mean... 893 00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,482 I think there is, uh, some 894 00:50:45,482 --> 00:50:47,103 double standards in that aspect, you know, like, 895 00:50:47,103 --> 00:50:48,862 she doesn't want me talking to other girls 896 00:50:48,862 --> 00:50:52,068 and she gets insecure or jealous of other girls 897 00:50:52,068 --> 00:50:54,275 but she's also trying to, like, 898 00:50:54,275 --> 00:50:57,413 you know, post videos of her in a bikini and stuff like that. 899 00:50:57,413 --> 00:50:59,068 It's not just in a bikini 900 00:50:59,068 --> 00:51:01,068 but she's, like, shaking her ass 901 00:51:01,068 --> 00:51:04,000 in a sexual way on camera, to the camera 902 00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,275 trying to get a lot of sexual attention. 903 00:51:06,275 --> 00:51:09,000 -Do these clips exist? -[Shekinah] They're... they're very provocative. 904 00:51:10,206 --> 00:51:13,586 Yeah, I think we have a video right now. Let's see that. 905 00:51:14,344 --> 00:51:17,000 ♪ Oh no Get swavy ♪ 906 00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,793 ♪ Get get get swavy 907 00:51:19,793 --> 00:51:22,862 ♪ Get swavy Get get get swavy ♪ 908 00:51:23,862 --> 00:51:27,034 ♪ Get swavy Get get get swavy ♪ 909 00:51:27,034 --> 00:51:29,137 ♪ The way that I do it These... they pay me ♪ 910 00:51:29,137 --> 00:51:31,793 ♪ All I be doing Is keeping it swavy ♪ 911 00:51:32,965 --> 00:51:34,413 [Andrei speaking in English] 912 00:51:34,413 --> 00:51:36,517 She's shaking her ass on social media 913 00:51:36,517 --> 00:51:39,724 but doesn't want Brandan to do anything. 914 00:51:39,724 --> 00:51:42,517 Yeah, I think it's her... it's the double standard about him. 915 00:51:42,517 --> 00:51:46,137 Yeah, she would not... If he was shaking his butt in this Speedo, she would not 916 00:51:46,551 --> 00:51:48,137 tolerate that at all. 917 00:51:49,793 --> 00:51:50,793 [speaking in English] 918 00:51:50,793 --> 00:51:52,620 It's a... I'm not, like... 919 00:51:53,241 --> 00:51:54,793 A lot of people do that. 920 00:51:54,793 --> 00:51:56,137 Yeah, but you're doing it, Mary, 921 00:51:56,137 --> 00:51:59,862 and you're this very controlling person towards your husband. 922 00:51:59,862 --> 00:52:03,965 So, for you to do it and be that way towards him, it doesn't make any sense. 923 00:52:03,965 --> 00:52:05,862 [speaking in English] 924 00:52:10,034 --> 00:52:13,344 What if Brandan was watching videos of that of another girl? 925 00:52:13,344 --> 00:52:15,793 What if he was liking them and looking at those kind of videos 926 00:52:15,793 --> 00:52:17,137 -of other girls? -Good point. 927 00:52:18,103 --> 00:52:21,379 I care about that but he doesn't do that. 928 00:52:21,793 --> 00:52:23,275 [speaking in English] 929 00:52:23,275 --> 00:52:26,206 Weren't you stopping him from liking and watching other girls-- 930 00:52:26,206 --> 00:52:30,482 No, I just put down a boundary and I said you don't do this when you're in a relationship. 931 00:52:31,896 --> 00:52:36,068 I think she was trying to get a rise out of Brandan to make him react 932 00:52:36,068 --> 00:52:38,034 and in turn it would make her feel more loved 933 00:52:38,034 --> 00:52:41,241 if he was like, "You're not to post stuff like that." 934 00:52:41,241 --> 00:52:43,482 [Brandan] Since she and I have started talking 935 00:52:43,482 --> 00:52:46,793 she has become more, um, confident, 936 00:52:46,793 --> 00:52:51,586 I should say, in her posting her body online, right. 937 00:52:51,586 --> 00:52:55,206 Because she felt like, "Oh, I'm dating an American man now. 938 00:52:55,206 --> 00:52:56,758 He has these American standards 939 00:52:56,758 --> 00:53:00,068 and all these American girls do this, so, I should do it too." Right? 940 00:53:00,068 --> 00:53:01,896 And so, she starts doing that. 941 00:53:01,896 --> 00:53:05,275 And I see it. I'm supportful of it. 942 00:53:05,275 --> 00:53:07,206 And I think, you know, do whatever it is 943 00:53:07,206 --> 00:53:09,862 that you need to do to make yourself feel better. 944 00:53:09,862 --> 00:53:12,620 For Mary I just want to say something. 945 00:53:13,448 --> 00:53:16,068 I believe that she's a manipulator... 946 00:53:16,068 --> 00:53:18,482 -[Andrei speaking] -Uh, she can play victim. 947 00:53:18,482 --> 00:53:20,482 You are the same... 948 00:53:21,137 --> 00:53:23,862 character as Mary over here, 949 00:53:23,862 --> 00:53:25,758 only she's a female. She's a control-- 950 00:53:25,758 --> 00:53:27,862 [both speaking in English] 951 00:53:34,586 --> 00:53:36,482 [Shekinah speaking in English] 952 00:53:36,482 --> 00:53:38,241 [speaking in English] 953 00:53:47,275 --> 00:53:49,620 [speaking in English] 954 00:54:00,275 --> 00:54:02,103 Look who is talking. 955 00:54:02,103 --> 00:54:03,275 [Andrei] Huh? 956 00:54:04,275 --> 00:54:06,172 [speaking in English] 957 00:54:14,620 --> 00:54:17,379 This is how the manipulation shows up in y'all's relationship 958 00:54:17,379 --> 00:54:19,758 as he uses his love to manipulate you, 959 00:54:19,758 --> 00:54:22,241 so, you do things 'cause you wanna please him 960 00:54:22,241 --> 00:54:25,344 and so, that's how the manipulation works in y'all's relationship. 961 00:54:25,344 --> 00:54:27,965 You might not see it but that's what we're all seeing. 962 00:54:29,034 --> 00:54:31,379 [speaking in English] 963 00:54:39,655 --> 00:54:44,206 Yes, I do. I've been in plenty of manipulative relationships with men like you. 964 00:54:44,206 --> 00:54:47,793 And I would never... Yeah. I would never deal with that again. 965 00:54:48,344 --> 00:54:50,655 [speaking in English] 966 00:54:50,655 --> 00:54:52,344 You're manipulative to your wife. 967 00:54:52,344 --> 00:54:55,000 It's... it's very evident in your relationship. 968 00:54:57,448 --> 00:55:00,172 -He likes to be manipulated. He told me to. -[speaking in English] 969 00:55:00,172 --> 00:55:03,793 He's teaching me how to manipulate him. I never was manipulative. 970 00:55:03,793 --> 00:55:05,862 You guys just want us to be toxic and we're not. 971 00:55:05,862 --> 00:55:09,896 So, I'm sorry that you're disappointed that it's not working out. 972 00:55:09,896 --> 00:55:12,034 -They are the perfect couple. -Yeah. 973 00:55:13,275 --> 00:55:15,862 Thank you, Daniele, that's the first real thing you've ever said. 974 00:55:15,862 --> 00:55:18,620 [speaking in English] 975 00:55:18,620 --> 00:55:21,172 Well, what's funny is, every single couple 976 00:55:21,172 --> 00:55:23,344 that has been talking for the last five minutes 977 00:55:23,344 --> 00:55:24,758 they're all very toxic. 978 00:55:24,758 --> 00:55:26,620 Yes, that's how we know it. 979 00:55:26,620 --> 00:55:28,448 -Funny to see. -That's how we recognize it. 980 00:55:28,448 --> 00:55:31,206 Like, I am in a severely toxic relationship, 981 00:55:31,206 --> 00:55:34,586 I'm never ever gonna deny that by any stretch... 982 00:55:34,586 --> 00:55:37,172 -[speaking in English] -...I don't pretend that it's working for me. 983 00:55:37,172 --> 00:55:39,896 -"Oh well, it works for... it works for me." -Daniele's owning it. 984 00:55:39,896 --> 00:55:42,137 [Andrei speaking in English] 985 00:55:49,310 --> 00:55:50,827 [speaking in English] 986 00:55:53,896 --> 00:55:57,310 [Shaun] Okay, everybody, I think we got a little off-track here. 987 00:55:57,310 --> 00:56:00,137 But we were talking about Brandan and Mary. 988 00:56:02,758 --> 00:56:04,793 All right, Brandan and Mary, thank you so much. 989 00:56:04,793 --> 00:56:06,793 We wish you the very best. 990 00:56:06,793 --> 00:56:08,862 -Thank you. -Thank you. 991 00:56:08,862 --> 00:56:12,655 We're gonna take a quick break but there is so much more when we come back. 992 00:56:17,862 --> 00:56:20,034 -[Andrei speaking] -[Shekinah] Hey, what's up? 993 00:56:26,413 --> 00:56:29,517 Are you seriously coming up to me and confronting me? 994 00:56:29,517 --> 00:56:31,448 [Andrei speaking] 995 00:56:41,241 --> 00:56:44,068 If that's your perception then that's your perception. 996 00:56:44,068 --> 00:56:46,344 [Andrei speaking] 997 00:56:46,344 --> 00:56:49,206 I don't remember calling you toxic, Andrei. 998 00:56:53,344 --> 00:56:55,103 Why do you like to challenge women? 999 00:56:57,137 --> 00:56:59,413 [speaking in English] 1000 00:57:03,068 --> 00:57:05,241 I don't need to be defended in this situation. 1001 00:57:05,241 --> 00:57:06,724 Why? Are you attacking me? 1002 00:57:07,206 --> 00:57:08,379 [Andrei speaking] 1003 00:57:08,379 --> 00:57:10,206 Then why do I need to be defended? 1004 00:57:10,206 --> 00:57:12,000 You just said he's not defending me. 1005 00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,413 Why do I need to be defended if you're not attacking me? 1006 00:57:14,413 --> 00:57:17,241 [Andrei speaking] 1007 00:57:17,241 --> 00:57:20,034 Okay, Andrei, you're just confusing me, so, go sit down. 1008 00:57:20,034 --> 00:57:21,413 -[Andrei speaking] -I don't know what you're talking about. 1009 00:57:21,413 --> 00:57:24,137 So, get out of my face. Goodbye. 1010 00:57:28,758 --> 00:57:31,103 -[speaking in English] -Yeah. 1011 00:57:35,137 --> 00:57:37,517 -Wanna meet in person? -[speaking in English] 1012 00:57:48,103 --> 00:57:50,896 [Andrei speaking] 1013 00:57:50,896 --> 00:57:53,724 Okay, Andrei, you're just confusing me, so, go sit down. 1014 00:57:53,724 --> 00:57:55,482 -[Andrei speaking] -[Shekinah] I don't know what you're talking about. 1015 00:57:57,275 --> 00:57:59,896 Bye, Andrei. Then stand there all day. 1016 00:57:59,896 --> 00:58:02,896 -[Andrei speaking] -Okay. Goodbye. 1017 00:58:03,586 --> 00:58:04,758 [Andrei speaking] 1018 00:58:05,724 --> 00:58:08,000 He just told me to [bleep] off by the way. 1019 00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:09,310 Like, he's a dick. 1020 00:58:17,758 --> 00:58:21,241 I... I think Andrei loves to fight and 1021 00:58:21,241 --> 00:58:23,758 to approach a woman that aggressively 1022 00:58:23,758 --> 00:58:26,344 just to try to push your viewpoint, 1023 00:58:26,344 --> 00:58:27,896 you know, essentially, like, down my throat. 1024 00:58:27,896 --> 00:58:29,620 He's, like, standing over me 1025 00:58:29,620 --> 00:58:31,793 like, in this very domineering way. 1026 00:58:31,793 --> 00:58:34,517 Um, that's toxic masculinity. 1027 00:58:34,517 --> 00:58:39,172 [Kenny] To tell you the truth, Andrei trying to shell out manipulation advice... 1028 00:58:39,172 --> 00:58:40,310 [in English] 1029 00:58:41,103 --> 00:58:44,000 I think Andrei is intimidating. 1030 00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,379 He knows he's intimidating. He's a big dude... 1031 00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:48,931 and she's a smaller girl. 1032 00:58:48,931 --> 00:58:51,482 But he needs to learn by this time and his age 1033 00:58:51,482 --> 00:58:54,655 that doesn't get... accomplish anything. So, he could learn something. 1034 00:58:54,655 --> 00:58:58,000 That you don't go for the jugular like that. 1035 00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:00,241 I just don't think it's the right thing to do. 1036 00:59:07,896 --> 00:59:09,655 [Andrei speaking] 1037 00:59:09,655 --> 00:59:11,862 You tell me. That was all you. 1038 00:59:11,862 --> 00:59:14,379 [speaking in English] 1039 00:59:17,379 --> 00:59:19,379 That was very aggressive. 1040 00:59:19,379 --> 00:59:21,620 -Yeah, that's toxic masculinity. -[Andrei speaking] 1041 00:59:22,896 --> 00:59:25,275 But you came at her intimidating. 1042 00:59:25,275 --> 00:59:28,758 And she is a woman, so, she is gonna snap back. 1043 00:59:28,758 --> 00:59:31,068 [speaking in English] 1044 00:59:31,068 --> 00:59:32,344 Okay, if that's how you speak 1045 00:59:32,344 --> 00:59:33,655 -that's how you speak... -[Shekinah] No, it's not your accent. 1046 00:59:33,655 --> 00:59:35,862 But you understand that's the reaction you're gonna get 1047 00:59:35,862 --> 00:59:37,206 when you speak like that. 1048 00:59:37,206 --> 00:59:40,241 I never had met Andrei until recently 1049 00:59:40,241 --> 00:59:42,586 and the more time I've got to know him 1050 00:59:42,586 --> 00:59:45,172 it's his personality, it's his voice... 1051 00:59:45,172 --> 00:59:47,310 Like, he... he's a super sweet guy. 1052 00:59:47,310 --> 00:59:48,620 -Still, he jumped at her. -It was a lot of noise. 1053 00:59:48,620 --> 00:59:51,413 Yes, that's his personality but it doesn't work with people. 1054 00:59:51,413 --> 00:59:53,827 At some point we have to stop saying, 1055 00:59:53,827 --> 00:59:56,103 "Oh, I'm not this. You are. I'm not this. You are." 1056 00:59:56,103 --> 00:59:58,655 At some point you have to say, "Well, why do you think that way about me?" 1057 00:59:58,655 --> 01:00:01,758 You just always bring it back to them. Like, what about you? 1058 01:00:01,758 --> 01:00:03,413 You have to be reflec... You're sitting here 1059 01:00:03,413 --> 01:00:05,793 telling every female that they have to be reflective 1060 01:00:05,793 --> 01:00:07,827 -and you have not reflected once. -[Andrei] Exactly. 1061 01:00:07,827 --> 01:00:10,724 We sat through your whole segment and at no point did you say, 1062 01:00:10,724 --> 01:00:11,827 "Yeah, I [bleep] up." 1063 01:00:11,827 --> 01:00:13,931 -You never once... -Where did I [bleep] up, Daniele? 1064 01:00:13,931 --> 01:00:15,586 -Where did I [bleep] up, Daniele? -[Andrei] Let me tell you why. 1065 01:00:15,586 --> 01:00:16,724 -Let me tell you why. -No, no, no. 1066 01:00:16,724 --> 01:00:18,137 -[speaking in English] -Enough. Enough. 1067 01:00:18,137 --> 01:00:20,586 You just sit here and yell at everybody else 1068 01:00:20,586 --> 01:00:22,413 -and tell everybody else what they're doing wrong... -What are you talking about? 1069 01:00:22,413 --> 01:00:24,413 ...and you're never ever reflective about yourself. 1070 01:00:24,413 --> 01:00:26,896 I am more than willing to take perso-- 1071 01:00:26,896 --> 01:00:29,068 -Like, responsibility for anything-- -So, can you share an example 1072 01:00:29,068 --> 01:00:32,137 of where you feel like you need to take responsibility for something? 1073 01:00:34,620 --> 01:00:38,172 I remained composed throughout a lot of situations 1074 01:00:38,172 --> 01:00:41,344 that a lot of people would've probably lost their composure. 1075 01:00:41,344 --> 01:00:42,689 [Daniele] Did that answer my question? 1076 01:00:42,689 --> 01:00:44,689 -It took a lot of-- -So, you felt like everything was amazing, 1077 01:00:44,689 --> 01:00:47,275 and you felt like there was nowhere for you to improve, okay. 1078 01:00:47,275 --> 01:00:49,206 But I think that we all have things that we have to work on. 1079 01:00:49,206 --> 01:00:51,689 And sometimes when people point out your flaws 1080 01:00:51,689 --> 01:00:54,068 you deflect and make it about someone else and Sarper did the same thing. 1081 01:00:55,724 --> 01:00:58,620 You grew up in a super, like, hardcore... 1082 01:00:58,620 --> 01:01:01,103 And I grew up Mormon. It's very similar 1083 01:01:01,103 --> 01:01:04,413 in, like, being nitpicked and controlled for every single thing that you do. 1084 01:01:04,413 --> 01:01:08,172 And it makes you make poor choices in men. 1085 01:01:08,172 --> 01:01:09,724 I can say that. 1086 01:01:13,034 --> 01:01:16,137 Like, it comes off with some other people that, yes, you're being attacked... 1087 01:01:16,137 --> 01:01:18,379 [speaking in English] 1088 01:01:19,689 --> 01:01:23,379 I think you're bringing your own thing into my relationship. 1089 01:01:23,379 --> 01:01:26,827 Like, your issues are yours. They're not related to 1090 01:01:26,827 --> 01:01:28,241 -what I'm dealing with. -But I'm telling you, Shekinah, 1091 01:01:28,241 --> 01:01:31,241 if every single person in the room is seeing the same [bleep] 1092 01:01:31,241 --> 01:01:32,482 and you're the only one that doesn't, 1093 01:01:32,482 --> 01:01:34,206 -it comes off as delusional. -[Shekinah speaking] 1094 01:01:35,344 --> 01:01:37,551 [Andrei speaking in English] 1095 01:01:43,793 --> 01:01:47,034 We've never used that word. We've never used that word. 1096 01:01:47,034 --> 01:01:48,689 Actually, no, you did use that word. 1097 01:01:48,689 --> 01:01:50,620 'Cause when I said you were the only perfect couple 1098 01:01:50,620 --> 01:01:52,724 you said out loud, "That's the first real thing 1099 01:01:52,724 --> 01:01:55,000 -you've said all day." -I was being sarcastic, Daniele. 1100 01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,275 I was being sarcastic 'cause you were being 1101 01:01:57,275 --> 01:01:59,793 such a freaking little genius in that moment. 1102 01:01:59,793 --> 01:02:01,448 You just sit here and belittle 1103 01:02:01,448 --> 01:02:02,689 -everybody in the room. -[Tania speaking] 1104 01:02:02,689 --> 01:02:05,793 -You tell everybody else why they're wrong. -No, I don't. 1105 01:02:05,793 --> 01:02:07,551 [Daniele] Yeah, we're all stupid, 1106 01:02:07,551 --> 01:02:10,068 -we're all toxic... -I'm leaving. You guys can just talk... 1107 01:02:10,068 --> 01:02:12,379 -Talk about it with yourselves. -[Daniele] We'll miss you. 1108 01:02:16,275 --> 01:02:19,310 [Shekinah speaking] 1109 01:02:20,310 --> 01:02:24,551 There have been a lot of women that Yohan has spoken with 1110 01:02:24,551 --> 01:02:28,827 and we have one of them with us today. 1111 01:02:29,068 --> 01:02:30,344 [Tim] Uh-oh. 1112 01:02:30,827 --> 01:02:33,413 Please welcome Memori. 1113 01:02:34,551 --> 01:02:36,206 [speaking in English] 1114 01:02:41,793 --> 01:02:43,172 You just sit here and belittle 1115 01:02:43,172 --> 01:02:44,241 -everybody in the room. -[Tania speaking] 1116 01:02:44,241 --> 01:02:46,482 -You tell everybody else why they're wrong. -Yeah. 1117 01:02:46,482 --> 01:02:48,827 -That's what I'm saying. -[Daniele] We're all stupid, 1118 01:02:48,827 --> 01:02:51,000 -we're all toxic. -You guys can just talk... 1119 01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:53,379 -Talk about it with yourselves. -[Daniele] We'll miss you. 1120 01:02:57,448 --> 01:03:00,379 [Shekinah speaking] 1121 01:03:02,241 --> 01:03:04,862 [speaking in English] 1122 01:03:04,862 --> 01:03:07,827 This isn't the way to handle somebody that's in this situation. 1123 01:03:07,827 --> 01:03:09,965 I knew, like, once she got ganged up of 1124 01:03:09,965 --> 01:03:12,103 it was gonna be the end of the conversation. 1125 01:03:12,103 --> 01:03:15,724 You kinda have to read people and that wasn't gonna fly with her. 1126 01:03:15,724 --> 01:03:16,931 I knew that it was gonna happen. 1127 01:03:16,931 --> 01:03:19,551 I knew she was gonna bolt soon enough. 1128 01:03:19,551 --> 01:03:23,068 I didn't think I would get, like, that triggered but just... 1129 01:03:23,068 --> 01:03:28,137 I just see so much of myself in my relation... or my past relationship in her, 1130 01:03:28,137 --> 01:03:31,000 I just wanna shake her and be, like, "Wake up!" 1131 01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:33,241 -I'm just trying to warn the bitch. -Yeah. 1132 01:03:33,241 --> 01:03:36,275 [speaking in English] 1133 01:03:36,275 --> 01:03:38,000 [indistinct chatter] 1134 01:03:38,931 --> 01:03:41,655 [Kenny speaking] 1135 01:03:41,655 --> 01:03:44,448 I do feel Shekinah is a little bit misunderstood. 1136 01:03:44,448 --> 01:03:47,000 I understand her aura sometimes, 1137 01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:48,793 she might come off a little superior 1138 01:03:48,793 --> 01:03:52,586 but I thought everybody was just jumping the crap out of her 1139 01:03:52,586 --> 01:03:54,586 and I felt bad for her. 1140 01:03:57,793 --> 01:04:01,413 I feel confused. I don't know what their problem is. 1141 01:04:02,034 --> 01:04:05,034 I think that Kalani was projecting 1142 01:04:05,034 --> 01:04:08,827 some unprocessed, uh, trauma on to me. 1143 01:04:08,827 --> 01:04:11,517 Like, maybe that's your experience 1144 01:04:11,517 --> 01:04:14,413 but don't make that mine. That's... that's not my truth. 1145 01:04:14,413 --> 01:04:16,551 [Shaun] Okay, welcome back, everyone. 1146 01:04:16,551 --> 01:04:19,965 I heard there was some tension backstage during the break. 1147 01:04:21,931 --> 01:04:24,172 So, uh, how's everybody doing? 1148 01:04:24,172 --> 01:04:25,793 -[woman 1] Good, good. -[Shaun] Okay. Shekinah? 1149 01:04:25,793 --> 01:04:26,965 -Yeah, I'm fine. -[Shaun] Andrei? 1150 01:04:26,965 --> 01:04:29,137 [speaking in English] 1151 01:04:30,034 --> 01:04:31,344 He's not done, of course. 1152 01:04:31,344 --> 01:04:33,206 [Andrei speaking] 1153 01:04:39,862 --> 01:04:41,206 [speaking in English] 1154 01:04:45,758 --> 01:04:47,275 I'm not defensive. 1155 01:04:48,551 --> 01:04:50,000 [Shekinah] You're worked up. 1156 01:04:51,172 --> 01:04:52,379 Oh, wow. 1157 01:04:53,862 --> 01:04:56,275 -Oh, wow. That's a reach. -[Andrei continues speaking] 1158 01:04:59,344 --> 01:05:03,482 You, standing, towering above me shouting to my face. 1159 01:05:03,482 --> 01:05:05,206 -Standing above me. -[speaking in English] 1160 01:05:05,206 --> 01:05:06,862 I'm sitting here minding my own business 1161 01:05:06,862 --> 01:05:08,379 and you come over here and start shouting at me. 1162 01:05:08,379 --> 01:05:10,551 [speaking in English] 1163 01:05:10,551 --> 01:05:12,172 How are we toxic? 1164 01:05:12,172 --> 01:05:13,655 How are we toxic? 1165 01:05:14,241 --> 01:05:16,655 [speaking in English] 1166 01:05:18,827 --> 01:05:20,655 [speaking in English] 1167 01:05:25,103 --> 01:05:27,000 He really is mad about that. 1168 01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:28,862 [Andrei continues speaking] 1169 01:05:31,551 --> 01:05:34,034 Did you come up to me with respect? No, you did not. 1170 01:05:34,034 --> 01:05:37,172 So, shut up about respect, Andrei. Don't even say that word. 1171 01:05:37,172 --> 01:05:39,896 -Literally, you don't even know the meaning of that word. -[Andrei speaking] 1172 01:05:40,965 --> 01:05:42,724 'Cause I don't respect you so, I'm not gonna 1173 01:05:42,724 --> 01:05:45,172 -listen to you about respect. -[speaking in English] 1174 01:05:45,172 --> 01:05:47,413 You came to shout at me and to confront me 1175 01:05:47,413 --> 01:05:49,758 and to be very aggressive. 1176 01:05:49,758 --> 01:05:52,034 -[speaking in English] -Yeah. 1177 01:05:59,137 --> 01:06:00,827 Did you say you wanna meet in person? 1178 01:06:00,827 --> 01:06:03,413 [speaking in English] 1179 01:06:03,931 --> 01:06:05,000 Great. 1180 01:06:08,379 --> 01:06:09,379 All right. 1181 01:06:10,482 --> 01:06:13,103 Well, we're gonna go ahead and move on. 1182 01:06:13,103 --> 01:06:16,689 I wanna check back in with Daniele and Yohan. 1183 01:06:16,689 --> 01:06:19,034 Daniele has told us that throughout their relationship 1184 01:06:19,034 --> 01:06:21,517 Yohan has spoken with, what she guesses, 1185 01:06:21,517 --> 01:06:24,896 to be at least 50 different women. 1186 01:06:24,896 --> 01:06:30,034 Yohan, do you still maintain that you weren't speaking to these women? 1187 01:06:30,931 --> 01:06:32,137 [speaking in other language] 1188 01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:38,655 [in English] Well, we have one of them with us today. 1189 01:06:38,655 --> 01:06:40,034 -Oh, yeah. -[bleep] 1190 01:06:43,172 --> 01:06:45,862 Please welcome Memori. 1191 01:06:46,241 --> 01:06:47,655 Uh-oh. 1192 01:06:49,896 --> 01:06:51,379 [Tim speaking] 1193 01:06:52,517 --> 01:06:54,862 -[Shaun] Hi, Memori. -Hi. 1194 01:06:54,862 --> 01:06:56,862 [Shaun] Thanks so much for being here. 1195 01:06:56,862 --> 01:06:59,931 Tell me, how did Yohan first approach you? 1196 01:07:02,655 --> 01:07:05,827 Um, he slid in my Facebook message and said hello 1197 01:07:05,827 --> 01:07:08,275 at first. It was, like, 11 o'clock at night. 1198 01:07:08,275 --> 01:07:12,000 And then he was asking me, you know, was I married, did I have kids. 1199 01:07:13,275 --> 01:07:15,724 It just kinda went from there. 1200 01:07:15,724 --> 01:07:17,517 And what did you two talk about? 1201 01:07:20,379 --> 01:07:22,068 [Memori] To begin with it was, "Hey, how are you?" 1202 01:07:22,068 --> 01:07:23,758 You know, "What you got going on?" 1203 01:07:24,137 --> 01:07:26,344 And, eventually, 1204 01:07:26,344 --> 01:07:30,344 he had told me, you know, I needed to visit the DR. 1205 01:07:30,344 --> 01:07:34,379 And I was like, you know... My friend and I had talked about doing, like, a mom trip 1206 01:07:34,379 --> 01:07:36,793 to the DR, so, I just asked about it 1207 01:07:36,793 --> 01:07:38,586 and he was like, "You don't need to bring a friend." 1208 01:07:40,241 --> 01:07:42,620 You know, "I'll show you anything that you need to see. 1209 01:07:42,620 --> 01:07:44,482 You can just come here and see me." 1210 01:07:44,482 --> 01:07:48,172 What did he tell you about his relationship status? 1211 01:07:48,172 --> 01:07:53,275 Um, he had told me that he was single going through a divorce. 1212 01:07:53,275 --> 01:07:55,965 And that she was trying to take everything from him. 1213 01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:01,551 Let me go back to Yohan for a minute. 1214 01:08:01,551 --> 01:08:04,103 Yohan, do you remember talking to Memori? 1215 01:08:07,586 --> 01:08:10,310 [speaking in other language] 1216 01:08:31,206 --> 01:08:34,068 So, Memori, you did not reach out to Yohan first? 1217 01:08:34,551 --> 01:08:35,827 No, ma'am. 1218 01:08:37,379 --> 01:08:39,724 Okay. Do you have the conversation? 1219 01:08:40,379 --> 01:08:42,000 I got all of it right here. 1220 01:08:42,241 --> 01:08:43,965 Ooh! 1221 01:08:45,551 --> 01:08:47,517 Can you read us the exchange? 1222 01:08:50,448 --> 01:08:53,000 [Memori] He just said hola and I said hello. 1223 01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:55,068 I told him I was going on a trip. 1224 01:08:55,068 --> 01:08:58,241 And he said, "That's okay. Do you have kids and a husband?" 1225 01:09:00,724 --> 01:09:03,551 And I said, "I'm single but I do have a child. And you?" 1226 01:09:03,551 --> 01:09:08,586 He said, "I'm single and I don't have children, I'm getting a divorce." 1227 01:09:08,586 --> 01:09:11,136 And I said, "Oh no, I'm so sorry. I've never been married 1228 01:09:11,136 --> 01:09:14,241 but I can imagine it's hard to get a divorce. Are you okay?" 1229 01:09:14,241 --> 01:09:17,171 And he said, "More or less. Can I see a picture of you now?" 1230 01:09:17,930 --> 01:09:19,551 And I just said, "I'm sorry." 1231 01:09:19,551 --> 01:09:22,412 And then I told him that I saw on his profile 1232 01:09:22,412 --> 01:09:23,965 that he was from the Dominican. 1233 01:09:23,965 --> 01:09:26,551 And he said, "I've been trying to get my best friend to go with me." 1234 01:09:26,551 --> 01:09:28,344 And he said, "You can come alone. 1235 01:09:28,344 --> 01:09:30,274 I could take good care of you if you want, 1236 01:09:30,274 --> 01:09:32,965 I have no problem with that. Where do you live?" 1237 01:09:37,482 --> 01:09:41,930 Okay. Yohan, do you remember this exchange now? 1238 01:09:44,448 --> 01:09:47,274 [speaking in other language] 1239 01:09:55,241 --> 01:09:57,758 -[Andrei] That doesn't matter. -Yeah, it literally doesn't matter. 1240 01:09:57,758 --> 01:09:59,448 Memori, who sent the first message? 1241 01:09:59,448 --> 01:10:03,137 Did Yohan contact you first or did you contact Yohan first? 1242 01:10:04,586 --> 01:10:09,655 Yohan contacted me, June 6th at 10:59 p.m. It's right there. 1243 01:10:09,655 --> 01:10:11,241 That's the very first message. 1244 01:10:14,586 --> 01:10:16,862 Was this when you guys were together he was messaging her? 1245 01:10:16,862 --> 01:10:18,551 Or is this already when you were separated? 1246 01:10:18,551 --> 01:10:20,172 Um, this is before. This is June, 1247 01:10:20,172 --> 01:10:22,275 so this is before we moved out, but we were fighting. 1248 01:10:22,275 --> 01:10:25,310 I'm almost, like, I believe he doesn't remember her. 1249 01:10:25,310 --> 01:10:27,000 My question is for him... 1250 01:10:28,137 --> 01:10:30,413 [speaking Spanish] 1251 01:10:37,862 --> 01:10:40,000 I believe that he doesn't remember her. 1252 01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:41,793 -I think he has so many bitches. -So many. 1253 01:10:50,137 --> 01:10:53,275 [in English] They engaged in some kind of relationship 1254 01:10:53,275 --> 01:10:56,551 while she was on my retreat. He used his position 1255 01:10:56,551 --> 01:10:59,689 in my business for his sexual benefit. 1256 01:10:59,689 --> 01:11:03,068 [speaking Spanish] 1257 01:11:04,413 --> 01:11:05,620 [scoffs] 1258 01:11:11,034 --> 01:11:13,413 [in Spanish] 1259 01:11:22,172 --> 01:11:24,241 [in English] Because no women is important to you. 1260 01:11:25,344 --> 01:11:29,655 [Shaun] Okay, so Memori, how did your exchange end? 1261 01:11:29,655 --> 01:11:32,344 Like, did he just stop reaching out? 1262 01:11:32,344 --> 01:11:35,482 No, basically, you know, Daniele had said that 1263 01:11:35,482 --> 01:11:37,862 she went through and was adding everybody. 1264 01:11:37,862 --> 01:11:40,862 [Shaun] Meaning all of the women Yohan added as friends? 1265 01:11:40,862 --> 01:11:42,000 Yes. 1266 01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:46,379 So, I messaged her and was like, "Hi, you know, 1267 01:11:46,379 --> 01:11:48,931 I'm assuming that you added me because of Yohan." 1268 01:11:48,931 --> 01:11:51,620 And she said, yes, that that was the reason. 1269 01:11:51,620 --> 01:11:55,551 And, you know, I had told her everything that he had told me. 1270 01:11:55,551 --> 01:11:58,586 And she told me, you know, "He's still very much married." 1271 01:11:58,586 --> 01:12:01,896 And I don't have anything to do with married men. 1272 01:12:01,896 --> 01:12:05,275 That was just, that was the end of it. I didn't talk to him anymore. 1273 01:12:07,586 --> 01:12:09,000 [Shaun] All right, Memori, 1274 01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:11,931 thank you so much for being here with us today. 1275 01:12:11,931 --> 01:12:15,034 And thanks for sharing this very sensitive information. 1276 01:12:15,034 --> 01:12:17,172 -Take care. -Yes, ma'am. Thank you. 1277 01:12:17,172 --> 01:12:20,000 Daniele, I'm sorry for all the [bleep] I talked about you. 1278 01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:23,758 -[scattered laughter] -I'm sorry, 'cause that's [bleep]. 1279 01:12:28,103 --> 01:12:32,068 Okay, I have to point out that when we had you both on the last Tell All, 1280 01:12:32,068 --> 01:12:37,000 Yohan, you had issues with Daniele interacting with her ex, Taylen. 1281 01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:39,931 Let's take a look back at that moment. 1282 01:12:48,931 --> 01:12:50,482 I don't even know how to respond to this, 1283 01:12:50,482 --> 01:12:51,758 like, I have to... 1284 01:13:17,965 --> 01:13:21,034 Daniele, based on the dates that you were given, 1285 01:13:21,034 --> 01:13:24,413 were any of these women talking with Yohan 1286 01:13:24,413 --> 01:13:27,586 during the time of the last Tell All? 1287 01:13:27,586 --> 01:13:29,275 Yes. 1288 01:13:29,275 --> 01:13:30,482 [Shaun] Yes. 1289 01:13:30,482 --> 01:13:33,724 Many of them. One of them being one of my clients. 1290 01:13:33,724 --> 01:13:35,758 [Shaun] "One of your clients?" 1291 01:13:37,103 --> 01:13:38,448 Yeah. 1292 01:13:39,172 --> 01:13:41,206 What did one of your clients tell you? 1293 01:13:43,068 --> 01:13:46,413 They engaged in some kind of relationship 1294 01:13:46,413 --> 01:13:48,344 while she was on my retreat. 1295 01:13:48,344 --> 01:13:51,793 He used his position in my business 1296 01:13:51,793 --> 01:13:53,724 for his own sexual benefit. 1297 01:13:53,724 --> 01:13:55,000 [scoffs] 1298 01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:57,000 The first time, he went and picked up 1299 01:13:57,000 --> 01:13:59,034 another woman in my retreat van 1300 01:13:59,034 --> 01:14:02,758 and took her to maybe or maybe not my apartment. 1301 01:14:04,896 --> 01:14:07,517 The second time, he engaged in a relationship 1302 01:14:07,517 --> 01:14:09,482 with one of the woman who was there. 1303 01:14:11,482 --> 01:14:13,034 Yohan, is that true? 1304 01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:25,482 Do I ever say anything without proof? 1305 01:14:26,448 --> 01:14:29,931 I had a found a picture on his computer 1306 01:14:29,931 --> 01:14:32,793 of a chat that they had. 1307 01:14:32,793 --> 01:14:35,000 I knew something was up, so I was like, "I need you to do me a favor. 1308 01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:37,068 I need you to delete my husband's number from your phone. 1309 01:14:37,068 --> 01:14:38,793 This is making me very uncomfortable. 1310 01:14:38,793 --> 01:14:41,206 I don't think you guys should be having private conversations." 1311 01:14:41,206 --> 01:14:42,931 And she said, "No problem. Done." 1312 01:14:42,931 --> 01:14:46,172 And then just, like, two weeks ago, she sent me an email 1313 01:14:46,172 --> 01:14:48,827 and was like, "Hey, I'm ready to talk about this," 1314 01:14:48,827 --> 01:14:51,620 and detailed their relationship. 1315 01:14:51,620 --> 01:14:53,620 Okay, you have that email? 1316 01:14:54,206 --> 01:14:55,586 -I do. -[Shaun] Okay. 1317 01:14:55,586 --> 01:14:57,724 -Oof. -[Shaun] Can you pull that out? 1318 01:15:00,379 --> 01:15:02,448 I'm sure this isn't easy, 1319 01:15:02,448 --> 01:15:05,379 so just share the parts that you're comfortable with. 1320 01:15:08,034 --> 01:15:09,551 Um... 1321 01:15:09,551 --> 01:15:11,620 "Daniele, I need to speak to you in a calm manner 1322 01:15:11,620 --> 01:15:14,379 when you're available and ready, if you're willing. 1323 01:15:14,379 --> 01:15:18,172 Yohan started messaging me while we were at the retreat. 1324 01:15:18,172 --> 01:15:20,172 He came to my tent. 1325 01:15:20,172 --> 01:15:23,793 The first night, he was trying to convince me to leave the property with him 1326 01:15:23,793 --> 01:15:26,172 to go spend some time together. 1327 01:15:26,172 --> 01:15:29,034 He wanted me to stay back when I left the retreat 1328 01:15:29,034 --> 01:15:30,931 because you were going to New York. 1329 01:15:30,931 --> 01:15:32,689 Again, I said no. 1330 01:15:32,689 --> 01:15:35,689 After you talked to me and told me not to talk to him anymore, 1331 01:15:35,689 --> 01:15:37,620 I told him that I couldn't talk to him anymore. 1332 01:15:37,620 --> 01:15:39,551 And he got super mad and told me that I was 1333 01:15:39,551 --> 01:15:42,689 letting you control me and I was afraid of you. 1334 01:15:42,689 --> 01:15:45,000 I truly wasn't chasing your husband. 1335 01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:46,931 I wasn't calling him on FaceTime, 1336 01:15:46,931 --> 01:15:48,344 he was calling me. 1337 01:15:48,344 --> 01:15:50,793 I'm truly sorry for the role that I played in this. 1338 01:15:50,793 --> 01:15:52,586 I never wanted any of this." 1339 01:15:54,413 --> 01:15:55,931 I don't know, there's a lot. 1340 01:15:57,689 --> 01:16:00,517 [Shaun] So, let me ask you this, Daniele, 1341 01:16:00,517 --> 01:16:03,344 are you convinced that this woman and Yohan 1342 01:16:03,344 --> 01:16:05,310 had a physical relationship? 1343 01:16:08,241 --> 01:16:09,655 Yeah. 1344 01:16:10,655 --> 01:16:12,551 Yeah, the night that she's describing, 1345 01:16:12,551 --> 01:16:14,172 he had an English class. 1346 01:16:14,172 --> 01:16:16,448 And he disappeared after the English class, 1347 01:16:16,448 --> 01:16:19,068 but he would normally come back to bed and he didn't. 1348 01:16:19,068 --> 01:16:21,206 I just, I knew something was up, I don't know. 1349 01:16:36,793 --> 01:16:38,689 Oh, gosh. 1350 01:16:39,448 --> 01:16:40,965 [sighs] 1351 01:16:40,965 --> 01:16:43,000 [Yohan speaking] 1352 01:17:04,379 --> 01:17:05,689 Wow. 1353 01:17:09,793 --> 01:17:14,034 Yohan, one more time, did you cheat on Daniele? 1354 01:17:15,448 --> 01:17:17,206 [crying] Just be honest! 1355 01:17:17,206 --> 01:17:20,103 Just for once in your life just tell the truth! 1356 01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:46,793 [Armando speaking Spanish] 1357 01:17:56,379 --> 01:17:59,068 Yohan, do you admit 1358 01:17:59,068 --> 01:18:02,068 to cheating with any woman 1359 01:18:02,068 --> 01:18:04,034 while you were with Daniele? 1360 01:18:12,379 --> 01:18:15,034 [in English] You have no other option than to act this way, Yohan. 1361 01:18:15,034 --> 01:18:17,448 [in Spanish] 1362 01:18:17,448 --> 01:18:19,655 [Yohan speaking] 1363 01:18:23,689 --> 01:18:25,448 [gasps] 1364 01:18:26,896 --> 01:18:28,241 Oh, wow. 1365 01:18:31,517 --> 01:18:32,758 She's out of your league. 1366 01:18:32,758 --> 01:18:35,655 He's angry because I made this public. 1367 01:18:35,655 --> 01:18:37,931 -Yeah. -[Daniele] No one knew about this. 1368 01:18:37,931 --> 01:18:40,413 None of my friends, none of his family. 1369 01:18:40,413 --> 01:18:42,965 [crying] I didn't tell anybody what I was experiencing. 1370 01:18:42,965 --> 01:18:45,724 And now you sit here and [bleep] berate me instead of... 1371 01:18:45,724 --> 01:18:47,586 Just be honest! 1372 01:18:47,586 --> 01:18:50,827 Just for once in your life just tell the truth! 1373 01:18:56,034 --> 01:18:58,482 Oh, my gosh. 1374 01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:01,517 [Holly speaking] 1375 01:19:01,517 --> 01:19:03,344 he's been caught, like, red-handed. 1376 01:19:03,344 --> 01:19:05,551 [Yohan speaking] 1377 01:19:25,724 --> 01:19:28,000 [Shaun] I wanna ask Yohan one more time. 1378 01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:30,103 Will you finally admit that 1379 01:19:30,103 --> 01:19:32,689 during any time during your relationship, 1380 01:19:32,689 --> 01:19:35,206 did you cheat on Daniele? 1381 01:19:42,586 --> 01:19:44,172 [sighs] 1382 01:19:46,586 --> 01:19:48,068 Oh, my God. 1383 01:19:48,827 --> 01:19:51,758 So Yohan, are all of these women lying? 1384 01:20:00,275 --> 01:20:02,551 Does anybody believe Yohan? 1385 01:20:02,551 --> 01:20:04,379 [singing] ♪ No♪ 1386 01:20:04,379 --> 01:20:06,000 [Daniele] Does anybody believe Yohan? 1387 01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:07,758 -I'm actually very curious about that. -[Tim] No. 1388 01:20:07,758 --> 01:20:09,482 'Cause I sometimes think that, like, 1389 01:20:09,482 --> 01:20:11,827 maybe I'm being unreasonable. 1390 01:20:14,379 --> 01:20:16,103 [Yohan speaking] 1391 01:20:17,517 --> 01:20:19,655 I have evidence, Yohan. 1392 01:20:19,655 --> 01:20:23,310 I very intentionally made sure that I kept 1393 01:20:23,310 --> 01:20:25,758 all of the evidence because I know you, 1394 01:20:25,758 --> 01:20:27,482 and I knew you would say this. 1395 01:20:27,482 --> 01:20:31,068 And I know that everyone already thinks I'm evil and I'm mean to you, 1396 01:20:31,068 --> 01:20:34,034 so I knew that the only way to protect myself 1397 01:20:34,034 --> 01:20:35,862 is to come with evidence. 1398 01:20:37,793 --> 01:20:40,206 By a show of hands, how many people think that 1399 01:20:40,206 --> 01:20:43,413 Yohan has been unfaithful? 1400 01:20:43,413 --> 01:20:47,689 From the evidence today. Everyone here, everyone here. 1401 01:20:50,724 --> 01:20:52,931 Okay. Kirsten? 1402 01:20:52,931 --> 01:20:56,344 I think there's enough evidence that Yohan is cheating. 1403 01:21:01,482 --> 01:21:03,206 And, um... 1404 01:21:05,758 --> 01:21:07,482 [laughing] 1405 01:21:07,482 --> 01:21:10,000 -[Andrei] Oh, he is. -Amen, Wayne. 1406 01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:12,172 I'm glad someone said that out loud. 1407 01:21:12,172 --> 01:21:15,241 Oh, it's an emotional thing for Daniele to go through. 1408 01:21:24,448 --> 01:21:27,758 [crying] 1409 01:21:42,413 --> 01:21:44,275 Ultimately, I love TJ. 1410 01:21:44,275 --> 01:21:46,551 I wanna spend my life with him. 1411 01:21:46,551 --> 01:21:47,862 But at this point, 1412 01:21:47,862 --> 01:21:50,965 I don't know if I can count TJ in my plans for the future. 1413 01:21:50,965 --> 01:21:53,241 [crying] I'm sorry. 1414 01:22:02,586 --> 01:22:05,965 [Shaun] Daniele, let me ask you one final question. 1415 01:22:05,965 --> 01:22:08,793 Are you going to file for divorce? 1416 01:22:10,206 --> 01:22:11,655 Yeah, absolutely. 1417 01:22:15,689 --> 01:22:18,689 Daniele, can you please, for the love of God, not be his friend? 1418 01:22:18,689 --> 01:22:21,000 -Like, ever again? Thank you so much. -[Holly] Yeah, please. 1419 01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:22,724 You're so much better than that. 1420 01:22:22,724 --> 01:22:24,068 [Daniele] Thank you. 1421 01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:27,379 [exhales relievedly] 1422 01:22:32,724 --> 01:22:37,586 [Shaun] All right. Daniele, Yohan, I am sorry 1423 01:22:37,586 --> 01:22:41,655 this relationship ended on such a horrible note. 1424 01:22:41,655 --> 01:22:43,689 I hope you both can move past it. 1425 01:22:43,689 --> 01:22:47,241 And I wish you both the best of luck in the future. 1426 01:22:48,965 --> 01:22:54,068 Well, that does it for 90 Day Fiancé: The Other Way, The Couples Tell All. 1427 01:22:54,068 --> 01:22:55,758 I wanna sincerely thank all of you 1428 01:22:55,758 --> 01:22:57,206 for allowing us into your lives. 1429 01:22:57,206 --> 01:22:59,379 And I wanna thank Tania, Andrei, 1430 01:22:59,379 --> 01:23:01,827 -Kalani, and Tim. Thank you so much. -Yeah. 1431 01:23:03,862 --> 01:23:07,000 I'm Shaun Robinson, and I'll see you next time. 1432 01:23:08,517 --> 01:23:10,655 Thanks, everybody. Thank you. 1433 01:23:10,655 --> 01:23:11,689 [Andrei] Thank you. 1434 01:23:11,689 --> 01:23:13,275 -[Shaun] Good job. -[Kalani] Thank you, Shaun. 1435 01:23:13,275 --> 01:23:14,517 Wooh. 1436 01:23:14,517 --> 01:23:16,034 Buh-bye! 1437 01:23:28,344 --> 01:23:30,241 -[Tania] Yeah. -[Tim] Good to see you again. 1438 01:23:31,344 --> 01:23:33,206 [Brandan] I definitely think Mary has a very big 1439 01:23:33,206 --> 01:23:34,931 controlling aspect to her. 1440 01:23:34,931 --> 01:23:37,448 Um, it has gotten better, 1441 01:23:37,448 --> 01:23:40,206 but I'm not gonna say it's completely gone. 1442 01:23:40,206 --> 01:23:41,551 Her insecurities, 1443 01:23:41,551 --> 01:23:44,724 her overthinking, 1444 01:23:44,724 --> 01:23:49,310 as I put it, is really what made us toxic. 1445 01:24:16,413 --> 01:24:19,344 Yeah, there's things that we definitely need to work on still. 1446 01:24:19,344 --> 01:24:20,896 It's not perfect. 1447 01:24:24,965 --> 01:24:27,241 [Holly] Um, were you surprised by Jenny being... 1448 01:24:27,241 --> 01:24:30,482 -[indistinct] -I was surprised that she thinks she really... 1449 01:24:34,862 --> 01:24:37,137 I'm not gonna interact with any of the rest of the cast members. 1450 01:24:37,137 --> 01:24:38,724 I'm done. I'm leaving. 1451 01:24:49,620 --> 01:24:52,689 [Shekinah] I just feel like everyone, you know, hates me. 1452 01:24:52,689 --> 01:24:54,655 I don't care. Let them. 1453 01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:59,000 Sarper and I, you know, we took the criticism. 1454 01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:02,103 And, you know, a lot of the women were crying, 1455 01:25:02,103 --> 01:25:04,000 and I felt like they... 1456 01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:06,517 I don't know, I kinda felt like they wanted to see me crying. 1457 01:25:08,655 --> 01:25:10,689 Every experience that Sarper and I go through, 1458 01:25:10,689 --> 01:25:12,068 we come out of it stronger. 1459 01:25:12,068 --> 01:25:14,586 And that's how I know that we're not in a toxic relationship. 1460 01:25:14,586 --> 01:25:17,827 You know, like, difficult times don't 1461 01:25:17,827 --> 01:25:19,827 put cracks in our relationship. 1462 01:25:19,827 --> 01:25:22,689 They just build our relationship even stronger. 1463 01:25:29,793 --> 01:25:31,482 -Can I come in? -Yeah. 1464 01:25:31,482 --> 01:25:33,034 [Holly] Oh, I just wanted to say bye. 1465 01:25:33,034 --> 01:25:35,758 It was, like, really cool getting to know you, like, um... 1466 01:25:35,758 --> 01:25:37,793 -I'll sit here. -Okay. 1467 01:25:37,793 --> 01:25:41,068 I have so much respect for you because in the situation you were put on, 1468 01:25:41,068 --> 01:25:42,655 that was hard. 1469 01:25:42,655 --> 01:25:45,620 And I think that he's gaslit you for so long, 1470 01:25:45,620 --> 01:25:48,724 that that's why you dug in so deep to find out the truth 1471 01:25:48,724 --> 01:25:50,655 because you had to prove it to yourself. 1472 01:25:50,655 --> 01:25:53,000 That's really true. It's like, I think that 1473 01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:56,448 I kept believing, like, "It's my fault, it's my fault, 1474 01:25:56,448 --> 01:25:58,000 it's my fault that this marriage doesn't work." 1475 01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:01,172 And so, like, I needed evidence that proved that, like, 1476 01:26:01,172 --> 01:26:02,655 "This isn't me. This isn't me. 1477 01:26:02,655 --> 01:26:05,137 -Like, this is really happening," so... -[Holly] Yup. 1478 01:26:05,137 --> 01:26:08,586 It feels really nice to have an entire room say 1479 01:26:08,586 --> 01:26:11,000 that they believe my story. 1480 01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:12,931 That they believe that this man cheated on me. 1481 01:26:12,931 --> 01:26:15,275 -[indistinct] -You're a really special person. 1482 01:26:15,275 --> 01:26:17,551 [sniffling] My marriage was very much real for me, 1483 01:26:17,551 --> 01:26:19,620 but I don't think it was real for him. 1484 01:26:20,689 --> 01:26:22,620 [crying] 1485 01:26:28,482 --> 01:26:30,724 It's all over. I mean, it was [bleep], 1486 01:26:30,724 --> 01:26:33,448 but I'm glad that it's all out and I'm done. 1487 01:26:34,172 --> 01:26:35,827 I'm ready to move on with my life. 1488 01:26:35,827 --> 01:26:38,344 [sighs] I mean, anything is possible. 1489 01:26:38,344 --> 01:26:41,344 You know, in this moment, I have nothing tying me down. 1490 01:26:41,344 --> 01:26:43,310 Goodbye, New York! 1491 01:26:43,310 --> 01:26:45,379 I'm not living for someone else anymore. 1492 01:26:45,379 --> 01:26:47,034 I'm living for myself. 1493 01:26:54,379 --> 01:26:57,827 When I said that I would go to South Africa in two months to Wayne, I meant that. 1494 01:26:57,827 --> 01:27:00,551 But also, like, we have to be in a good place. 1495 01:27:00,551 --> 01:27:02,655 Like, I can't just go if he's not gonna, like, 1496 01:27:02,655 --> 01:27:04,482 call me or there's no communication. 1497 01:27:04,482 --> 01:27:07,517 I'm obviously not gonna hop on a plane and go down there. 1498 01:27:09,862 --> 01:27:11,724 [indistinct chatter] 1499 01:27:20,413 --> 01:27:21,827 Um... [clears throat] 1500 01:27:25,068 --> 01:27:27,000 [Holly] It's hard to trust someone when 1501 01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:29,517 you're in your darkest moments and you feel 1502 01:27:29,517 --> 01:27:31,379 kind of like they turned their back on you. 1503 01:27:31,379 --> 01:27:34,413 But I guess in his own way, he feels like I did that to him. 1504 01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:38,137 [Wayne speaking] 1505 01:27:40,379 --> 01:27:41,862 Take care, Holly. 1506 01:27:49,689 --> 01:27:51,206 This is it. 1507 01:27:52,482 --> 01:27:54,620 Trust is something that once it's broken, 1508 01:27:54,620 --> 01:27:56,413 it's very difficult to build again. 1509 01:27:56,413 --> 01:28:00,793 And for the four months leading up to our breakup, 1510 01:28:00,793 --> 01:28:02,206 that's what I was doing. 1511 01:28:02,206 --> 01:28:05,310 I was trying to rebuild that trust with Kirsten. 1512 01:28:05,310 --> 01:28:08,517 Unfortunately, the communication wasn't there. 1513 01:28:08,517 --> 01:28:10,758 I felt like we really weren't moving forward. 1514 01:28:12,793 --> 01:28:16,655 I think I needed this. I think it finally, uh, 1515 01:28:22,758 --> 01:28:26,275 [Kenny] Armando and I's future is gonna be amazing. 1516 01:28:26,275 --> 01:28:27,758 I have no doubt about that. 1517 01:28:27,758 --> 01:28:29,655 We do have some decisions to make. 1518 01:28:29,655 --> 01:28:31,896 Like, right away we have a decision to make 1519 01:28:31,896 --> 01:28:33,931 on how many embryos we wanna transfer. 1520 01:28:33,931 --> 01:28:36,862 But we know we're gonna have a baby soon. 1521 01:28:40,551 --> 01:28:43,310 A lot of people that aren't in an age-gap relationship, 1522 01:28:43,310 --> 01:28:44,620 they don't understand it. 1523 01:28:44,620 --> 01:28:47,448 They think there's always an agenda on somebody's part. 1524 01:28:47,448 --> 01:28:49,344 And that's not the case. 1525 01:28:49,344 --> 01:28:51,103 Bye! 1526 01:28:53,482 --> 01:28:56,896 I do beat to my own drum. I am my own person, 1527 01:28:56,896 --> 01:28:59,275 and I'm gonna love who I wanna love, 1528 01:28:59,275 --> 01:29:01,724 and it doesn't matter who it is or what the age gap is. 1529 01:29:01,724 --> 01:29:03,172 And it works for us. 1530 01:29:10,034 --> 01:29:13,310 [Kimberly] When Jenny made threats to me, 1531 01:29:14,137 --> 01:29:16,310 I felt that was very childish of her. 1532 01:29:16,310 --> 01:29:18,827 But I'm not opposed to a fight. 1533 01:29:18,827 --> 01:29:20,586 I ain't scared. 1534 01:29:21,310 --> 01:29:23,379 Bye. 1535 01:29:23,379 --> 01:29:25,275 Ultimately, I love TJ. 1536 01:29:25,275 --> 01:29:27,517 I wanna spend my life with him. 1537 01:29:27,517 --> 01:29:30,724 But at this point, I have to put myself first. 1538 01:29:32,620 --> 01:29:33,862 [sighs] 1539 01:29:35,310 --> 01:29:39,275 Right now, I'm not going back to India for a while, um... 1540 01:29:39,275 --> 01:29:41,379 I'm not going back for at least four months. 1541 01:29:41,379 --> 01:29:43,344 I'm spending time with my family. 1542 01:29:45,172 --> 01:29:47,517 TJ means the world to me. 1543 01:29:48,724 --> 01:29:51,034 But if I went back to India today, 1544 01:29:51,034 --> 01:29:53,137 I'd be very sad, honestly. 1545 01:29:57,206 --> 01:29:59,862 [sniffling, crying] I'm sorry. 1546 01:30:03,103 --> 01:30:07,206 At this point, I don't know if I can count TJ in my plans for the future. 1547 01:30:08,931 --> 01:30:11,827 So, I'd like him to be there, theoretically, but, 1548 01:30:13,586 --> 01:30:16,000 realistically, I don't know where to put him. 1549 01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:20,586 I don't know what it's gonna look like at this point, 1550 01:30:22,379 --> 01:30:24,068 but I'm on it.