[Shaun] Previously on,
90 Day Fiance: The Other Way, The Couples Tell All...
[Kirsten speaking in recording]
[Julio speaking in recording]
[Shaun] Wow.
[Julio] That's the real reason we broke up.
Trust issues that I was having
-because of that situation-- -[Kirsten speaking]
What?
Any update with the donor to raise a baby possibly?
I'm happy to say that we have seven embryos now.
[Shaun] Oh, wow.
Tim, you and Kenny are friends.
Did you give them any advice?
-I-- -He told him, "Don't do it."
I just feel like he's doing it more for Armando than himself.
TJ, how do you feel that the conflict between Kimberly
and your brother is affecting your relationship?
[Tejaswi speaking]
You have to take a side.
I actually don't even talk to anyone in my family.
And it's all because of your relationship
-with Sarper? -Yes.
[Shaun] Wow.
You don't view any of that as toxic?
I look at him as, like, my leader,
and he's leading us.
I know that she likes to be controlled,
it's her character, and mine is controlling.
-So we are a perfect match. -We're the perfect match.
[Daniele] He has multiple women that he's in a relationship with now
that think that they're the only one.
What?
[Daniele] This was happening for an entire year,
and I totally missed it.
[in Spanish]
He's not only a scammer, but he's a liar also.
[in Spanish]
[Holly] I gave up everything to go there,
and you just don't even seem like you want me back.
Do you have plans to go back to South Africa?
Not really. We haven't spoken in two to three weeks.
-Whoa! -Oh, whoa!
And what about Wayne's emotional support?
He's going through a lot right now.
What are you talking about?
Every time she calls, it's all about all of her problems, problems, problems.
Wayne, are you thinking about ending this relationship?
[gasps]
[Holly crying]
Where did she go?
[Holly crying]
-Um, if you don't mind, I'm gonna go check on her. -[Shaun] Okay.
-Okay. -[Shaun] Thank you, Kenny.
All right, I think everybody needs a break right now.
[Holly sniffles]
[Kenny] Holly?
-[Holly speaking] -[Kenny] Oh, my gosh.
Come here.
I'm sorry this is happening to you.
I know it's a lot.
[Holly speaking]
I believe, like, you both need kind of emotional support,
but I did get the feeling he doesn't give you a lot.
So, you have to think about that.
Like, you need someone that's really gonna support you,
and sometimes, if your husband's not gonna do it,
you have to get it from family and friends.
Um, and maybe not put it all on him or something.
But you guys need to talk more,
and just not talking for three weeks in the phone.
[Kenny speaking indistinctly]
I know, it's BS. My phone broke,
I would find a way to talk to my husband.
And you would do the same thing.
You would figure out some way.
[Kenny] Mm-hmm.
That was a lot.
[Tim] So, we all felt bad.
I know I've had a girlfriend similar to Holly
where it's like, it gets to a point
that you've already comforted somebody
as much as you can from another country, right?
And it's just like, they won't give you a break.
Like, there is things that you can do as a partner to try to support.
[Tim] You're right, yeah,
but [stammering] he did say, "I'll buy you a ticket, you come back
so we could be together."
[Tania] In a way that she's not ready to.
-She still has debts she wants to pay off... -Yeah.
[Tania] ...and that's what he's, like, ignoring.
[Andrei speaking]
[Tim] But also, everybody was jumping on him,
like, "Oh, you don't love her because you won't move to America."
You do love him, though, right?
Yeah, of course. [sniffles]
-Okay. Well, if he really loves you... -But--
-...then things could happen. -But the thing I loved most
about him is I thought he loved me so much.
But then it just... It changed.
I think he's weaker than what he plays.
-You know, he tries to keep talking about... -[Holly] Yeah.
...what a man he is and how he's gonna support you,
but he...
It's not just financial, he needs to support you
like a man emotionally.
And he's not doing it.
Just talk to him and try to figure that out.
[Holly] Yeah.
[sniffles and cries]
Oh, my gosh.
[sniffles] Thank you. You smell really good.
[both laugh]
-Yeah. No. -I really don't think he was a bad guy.
You know the old saying, "You can love somebody,
but you just can't be together?"
They... He can't provide her the emotional support she needs.
-[Tania] Mm-hmm. -He's just not a sensitive dude.
[Tania] Yeah.
[Tim] Like you said, she doesn't want money,
she wants a [bleep] hug. She wants you to be there for her.
-Yeah. -[Tim] But they both have good intentions.
-Yeah. -[Tim] That's what's so sad about it.
They're just not compatible.
-[Kalani] Yeah. -Yeah.
[phone ringing]
Hello.
[crying] Sorry, I don't know why I cry all the time, I'm sorry.
[sniffles and cries]
I hate it that I'm this emotional, I hate it.
[sniffles]
[Holly] I was very emotional and I was having a hard time,
and I guess I put too much on you,
and it wasn't fair to you,
because you were going through your own stuff.
[sniffles]
[Wayne speaking]
I wanna go back and be... I wanna be with you again.
Do you still wanna be with me?
[sniffles]
Yeah, and I need to be harder [sniffles]
and, um, and not so sensitive.
[Wayne speaking]
[Holly] I do love you [sniffles] very much.
[Wayne speaking]
[Holly] Okay.
-[Wayne speaking] -Bye, babes.
Well, that went better than I thought it would go.
You know, I had to look at it through his perspective.
Yeah.
Yeah, I do.
Welcome back.
-[Tania] Love it. -Thank you.
-He's my side bitch. -[all laugh]
[sniffs]
Hey, Holly.
Hello.
Did you and Wayne get a chance to speak?
Yeah, we did.
-[Shaun] Yeah? How did that go? -Yeah.
It went good.
I saw things from his perspective
and, you know, and he saw things from mine,
and so, I think, like, we gotta clear up a few things.
[Wayne speaking]
[Tim] Let me say, coming out and saying
that you made a mistake and owning up it,
I respect that.
[Andrei speaking]
[all laugh]
[Andrei] ...a new phone.
Well, Holly and Wayne, it seems like there's a lot for you to still discuss.
We hope you're able to overcome these obstacles in your relationship.
-Thank you. -Thank you.
I'm gonna loop back with Shekinah and Sarper.
Even though Shekinah's family refused to attend the Tell All,
one person who did want to participate and show support
is her friend and her ex, Dan...
-Oh, no. -[Shaun] ...who expressed his feelings
about her just before she left for Tuürkiye.
Please welcome Dan.
Hi, Dan.
Shekinah, did you and Dan date?
Dan, you're not... Like, we weren't in a relationship.
[Shekinah] No.
Yeah, that didn't make... That doesn't make you my ex.
How many dates did you guys go on?
-[Shekinah speaking] -[Tim speaking]
[Shaun] Okay.
Tim, what did you say?
[all laugh]
-Nah. -[Shaun] Repeat yourself.
Yeah, I was just wondering, like,
-if they just went, like-- -[Shekinah] No, we never have had sex.
-We've never been intimate, no. -[Tim] Never had sex?
What? Excuse me?
-But that's fine. -It is actually 100% true.
[Dan] Okay.
Dan, do you think you're a better match for Shekinah than Sarper?
I do.
-Dan is, like, you know, a great person to-- -[Dan] Yeah.
-[Shekinah chuckling] Ah, my God. -[Shaun] It says,
[Shaun and Shekinah] "Give Dan the man a chance."
-[Shaun] "Hey! Give Dan the man a chance!" -[Shekinah] I did.
I gave Dan the man a chance.
Sarper, how do you feel about Dan being here today?
I feel something in my stomach, too.
For me?
Are you serious?
[laughs]
[Shaun] Dan, you've heard a few people say
that Sarper is very controlling.
Do you feel that he's controlling
in this relationship with Shekinah?
[Dan speaking]
[slight chuckle]
This is our relationship dynamics.
She loves to serve.
Yeah, it makes me happy to serve him.
I have a question.
How would you feel if your daughter ended up
in a relationship exactly like this one?
I consider this a healthy relationship,
so I would be happy.
For her to be controlled like that?
I don't feel like I'm being controlled.
I think it's a dynamic that they both like,
so how is it toxic?
The passion, the love between us,
you can't imagine, I mean...
[Dan speaking]
Oh, my God.
I don't think that that's the case in this situation, Dan.
I want to move on to something
that gave a lot of people pause.
Sarper's claim that he slept with over 2,500 women.
I think we were all a bit surprised
at some of the details he shared,
especially about the day he and Shekinah first hooked up.
Let's watch.
[speaking other language]
I met my girlfriend, Shekinah, in a matchmaking site.
After the first night,
she said that she wants to see me the next night.
The next day, I remember
that I was with two women that day.
And I was so exhausted and also I was sick.
So I tried to cancel the meeting with her,
but she insisted to come and look after me.
And I said, "Okay."
The sex between us was perfect.
I mean, I wasn't expecting that.
My past, I dated lots of, lots of women.
Most of them were one-night stands.
[speaking other language]
I mean, it's not that easy
to giving up bad boy lifestyle, but I love her.
So I hope I can get used to it because it will be difficult.
I will do my best somehow.
I don't know how.
We'll see.
Can we ask about the 2500?
-[bleep] -[Shaun] Go ahead, Tanya.
How does 2500 happen?
I was trying to do the math.
I don't know how old you are.
It doesn't.
I actually did the math, so 30 years I figured about
a new person every four to five days.
If you go out every night,
I mean, it's not that unreasonable
if you've never had a relationship.
By our calculations, 2500 women,
means you had sex with a different woman
every three and a half days since your 18th birthday.
Was that, in fact, the reality?
[Kenny speaking]
[Dan speaking]
[Sarper speaking]
[Shaun] Does anybody else have a high number like Sarper?
[laughing]
Andre, do you have a number?
[all laughing]
Let me ask Mary, do you know Brandan's number?
Yeah, he told me.
What is it?
Six.
Guess what, I've been with six women too.
[all laughing]
What would you do, babe, if I told you my number?
[Shaun] Mmm-hmm.
[Kenny] He never asked you?
-He doesn't want to know. -He doesn't wanna know.
[Tim] We wanna know.
[Shaun] Sarper, do you know--
[Julio] Yeah, tell us.
Is it in the double digits?
[Shekinah] He would be shocked.
He would be shocked by how few it is.
He can't handle it.
He said even if it's two, I don't want to know.
Because he would view you as a whore
-if it was anything more than one. -[laughing]
-Even though he's literally the whore. -[Sarper speaking]
Yeah.
[Shekinah] That's in his past, that's not current.
You know what, actually,
you also have that freaking bottle collection of yours.
You love to keep your memories, and I hate it.
What is the significance of the bottle collection?
It's nothing, it's just a collection.
He has a memory with each bottle with a female.
-[gasps] -And he keeps all the bottles.
[Tanya] What the [bleep]
I don't care.
Then why do you have mementos that you're keeping?
[Kenny] Trophies.
This number of 2,500 women,
a lot of people said they didn't believe it.
And also, how'd you document it?
Was it like stars on a chart?
Well, he's doing three and four in a night. It's...
-Didn't he say one time? -An abacus?
He is. He's a numbers guy.
[Sarper speaking]
Yeah, I can hear you.
[bleep]
Oh, my God.
[exhales]
Oh, my...
That's disgusting.
That is disgusting.
Sarper, there are some things that you should not bring out,
and this is one of those things.
No. I won't see you until you get rid of it.
Please welcome Brandan's mother, Angela.
What would make Brandan call his wife a scammer
and some of those other words that he admitted saying?
As long as she had money, she was great.
But when the money wasn't around, it was,
"I'm leaving you. We're breaking up."
Do you guys wanna talk about the last incident?
Okay.
Oh, my God.
You just said you're not proud of your number,
but you're literally keeping a book.
I don't care. Don't ever say you're not proud of it again.
[Sarper speaking]
Why are you taking that, by the way?
I don't wanna see it.
[Shaun] Oh, my gosh.
Wait. What are the X's? X is one?
Oh, my...
-What? That's disgusting. -[Shaun] Oh, my gosh.
That is disgusting.
That looks like fantasy football or some [bleep].
This is like so toxic.
Is your penis still attached to your body?
What do the colors mean?
Good question.
[Shaun] How pretty the girl was?
Yeah, he literally was not picky.
He would sleep with anyone.
[Daniele] So no one has a name. Everyone's just an X.
[Tim] Wait. What does that say?
We have so many questions.
Why didn't you just like destroy it? Or like why--
-[Sarper] Because... -Yeah, that's [bleep] embarrassing.
It's nothing about Shekinah. I mean, it was my past.
And she knows it.
Why did you dig this out and show it to her?
What if she did that to you? How would you feel?
-Oh, my God. He would never talk to me again. -I mean, she--
Like, do you think it's disrespectful? Like...
Shekinah, do you think it's disrespectful?
Do you feel disrespected?
Oh, my God.
Quit showing it.
I'm not manipulating her. If someone did that to me, I would be embarrassed.
And I just-- That's why I was asking.
It's definitely embarrassing.
[Shekinah] Oh, please.
Don't even talk-- You have nothing to talk about after your book.
How are you feeling, Shekinah, after seeing that?
I'm, you know, disgusted.
Like...
to make all these women an X in a book,
it just-- I don't know.
It just-- I don't like it.
You're getting rid of that bottle collection and that book.
Clearly it is.
No. That's not how I look at it. Sorry.
No. It disgusts me.
She's asking a simple question. What are you gonna do with it?
No. I won't see you until you get rid of it.
Sarper, I believe that, you know,
being transparent and being truthful and honest is good.
But there are some things that you should not bring out,
and this is one of those things.
You should have just saw that book
and burnt it right away and never brought it into daylight.
I don't know. I just-- I think that's just [bleep] up.
[Dan speaking]
All right, well, Dan, thank you so much for joining us today
and sharing your thoughts.
We wish you the very best.
Thank you so much.
Shekinah, the last we saw you and Sarper,
you had a huge argument
over whether you two would have a child.
Where do you stand with that today?
I'm still not willing to have a child.
I don't want another child.
So, is this discussion between the two of you over?
Well, I mean, I'm not changing my mind.
No. I already told you.
Why are you asking me that?
Yeah, we can adopt a goat.
[Alexei speaking]
-[Shaun] A goat? You wanna adopt a goat? -What'd he say?
We'll just adopt a lot of animals.
I want baby goats. He wants cats.
So, what is next for your future?
We don't know. We're just...
living every day one day at a time
and enjoying our relationship and getting to know each other
more and more every day.
And we have something really special.
Well, Shekinah and Sarper,
thank you for being so honest.
We wish you the best of luck.
Thank you.
I wanna change gears and move on over
to Brandan and Mary.
Well, we last saw Brandan and Mary on their wedding day
when Mary was a blushing and pregnant bride.
Now they're parents to a beautiful baby girl.
Once again, congratulations to you, Brandan and Mary.
How old is the baby now?
One month old.
[Shaun] We heard that there was some tense moments
during the delivery. Can you tell us about that?
Umbilical cord was around the baby's neck.
So it was wrapped around three times.
-[Shaun] Oh, my God. -And Mary had a low-lying placenta as well.
[Shaun] Wow.
Brandan, what were you telling Mary during that time?
I mean, that must have been very scary for you also.
Yeah, I mean, um...
you know, she had left a note on the phone
basically saying like, you know,
"If something were to happen to me,
take care of Midnight.
Find someone that you deserve,"
or something like that.
And I was just like, "There's nothing to worry about.
We got trained professionals."
And I just wanted to instill some hope into her,
you know, to show her that, you know,
there's light at the end of the tunnel.
Not in the sense of like, you know, "Go towards the light,"
or anything. But like there's hope.
Yeah, I'm good now. And I feel better.
I'm recovering. It still hurts.
But, you know, I feel better.
We are so glad that your are much, much better
and the baby is healthy.
Does she have a personality like yours
or like Brandan's?
She looks a lot like me.
Um, she sleeps like me.
Um, she does these--
[Brandan] She does this thing every time she's done pooping,
she does this face. It's like...
[all laughing]
-That's so cute. -[Mary] Yeah.
[Shaun] Well, we are so happy to hear
that everyone is safe and healthy.
In fact, I believe we have some photos of Midnight.
Can we see those?
-Aw. -Aw.
[Shaun] Adorable.
[Daniele] She's so cute.
[Shaun] Oh, sweet.
[Shekinah] Cute.
[Shaun] Oh, how beautiful. Congratulations.
Thank you.
Mary, how would you rate Brandan helping out with the baby?
Is he still playing video games?
Yeah, he's still playing video games,
but not too much.
There are times when I could like...
I get lost in a game and hours go by
and I'm like, "Oh, [bleep], I didn't even realize it was this late."
And Mary's over there tired, holding Midnight.
She's afraid that I'll get upset
if she comes out to the living room
-and I'm playing games-- -[Mary] Yeah, because you're like...
...and she's like, "Oh, take over."
I'm a passionate gamer. Like, love playing games.
It's been a problem in a lot of relationships.
She is too afraid to approach him,
to disturb him from playing a video game
to pass off the child,
that, I have a big problem with that.
You talked about Brandan having a bit of a temper.
What is he like when he gets mad?
He's shouting and, you know, say words that will hurt me.
Words that will hurt you like what?
I do sometimes call her a scammer.
Like, she's only happy when she has money
or something like that.
And that really upsets her. That really makes her upset.
Call her a bitch.
Most of the time, if I get mad,
I just get-- I call her a bitch.
What the [bleep]?
This is where the confusion comes in
is he wasn't upset.
I'm holding my baby. He's yelling at me.
Do you think he thought them having a baby
was gonna make sure she didn't leave him?
Most of the time, if I get mad,
I would just get-- I call her a bitch.
What the [bleep]?
Mary, how do you respond when he calls you a bitch?
And how does that make you feel, Brandan?
I don't mean the things I say when I get mad.
I just say it to make her upset.
Sometimes I say it just so she'll get mad.
If I'm gonna get into an argument with her,
I want her to argue with me,
not just be like, "Oh, I'm sorry.
It's all my fault," and all this stuff.
Mary has a hard time not being submissive.
I want her to stand up for herself.
So you call her a bitch so she'll fight back?
I just want her to kind of be like, "Don't call me that.
I'm not a bitch," or, you know.
Like, I wanna get that out of her.
To purposely call someone something for a reaction,
that's pretty narcissistic there, baby.
Brandan.
Yeah, it is.
'Cause that's the mother of your kids.
It's like it's a different level of respect now.
She carried your baby. She like...
gave birth to her.
I'm surprised. I thought Brandan was an angel.
I really did until now.
[Daniele] And the fact that you're able to say,
"I've done these things and it's not good,
and I want it to be healthier," is helpful.
But I feel like you have to make sure that you're taking the steps
so that you never call that girl a bitch again.
Yeah. I do feel bad.
Get your [bleep] together, man.
"Bitch." That's your favorite. Favorite word.
All right, well, before we go any further,
I wanna bring out Brandan's mother, Angela.
They had a complicated relationship.
And whether she's being supportive or critical,
Angela has never been shy about expressing her opinions.
Please welcome Brandan's mother, Angela.
-Hello. -[Daniele] Hi.
Hello.
[Shaun] Hi there.
[Angela] Hi, guys.
-Hey. -Hey.
Angela, a lot of people were shocked here on this set
when he admitted to calling Mary these terrible names.
They thought that he was quite the different personality.
I wanna know, what would make Brandan call his wife a scammer,
the B word?
Well, in the past, I mean...
the behavior was,
as long as she had money, she was great.
But when the money wasn't around,
she wasn't great. It was,
"I'm leaving you. We're breaking up.
I can't do this anymore. You're not my boyfriend."
Block, delete, for days.
Has he ever called you and been like,
"She's mad 'cause I don't have money.
Can you send me some?"
[sighs]
It-- it's been more like,
"We are in a really tough spot.
She doesn't want me to ask you,
and she's mad that I'm asking you,
but I don't know where else to go."
Are you fine doing it though?
Like, endless-- for an endless time?
Yes, I'm fine doing it.
This is my son and that's my granddaughter.
[Shaun] So the baby's a month old.
-[Angela] Yeah. -Obviously, with a baby, comes more expenses.
How are you guys handling that, Brandan?
Well, the thing is with the expenses,
we had already prepared,
getting her clothes, getting her cleaning supplies,
you know, diapers, baby wipes,
baby soap.
I haven't asked money from my mother for about...
I think three weeks now.
Do you expect to have to ask your mother for support again?
No, I don't expect to.
But you will 'cause a baby's expensive.
It's expensive.
Yeah.
[Shaun] Angela, what are your biggest concerns for Brandan
now that he has this family of three?
His wife and a new baby.
[breathes deeply]
Honestly, I would say my biggest concern for them
is, um, that they don't have the tools
that they need to work together.
Um, they both completely have different communication styles.
Brandan is literal with everything.
And she's the opposite.
You have to really push him to a limit
for him to snap and get like-- blow up
or raise his voice or something.
-Um-- -What could Mary possibly do to Brandan
that would make him call her some of those other words
that he admitted saying?
I still haven't gotten an answer to that.
Right, yeah.
Do you guys wanna talk about the last incident?
Yeah.
So I had gotten, um, a message from Mary,
um, that Brandan had the volume on too loud of the movie
or whatever it was.
She was afraid to, like, ask him to turn it down or whatever.
She didn't want him to get mad.
Then she messages back and she says, "Now he's mad.
And now he's outside listening to his music on his phone."
I message him and I'm like, "What the heck's going on?
Like, what are you getting upset--
like, what's going on?"
This is where the confusion comes in, is he wasn't upset.
So instead of just turning it down,
he turned it off
and went outside to listen to music on his phone.
He wasn't upset at all.
and then when that gets to like a boiling point,
they do not know how to handle it.
You know, his instinct is to leave.
She doesn't want him to leave.
And then it just becomes this huge thing.
I'm holding my baby. He's yelling at me...
while I'm holding my baby.
You know, listen. Number one,
you need therapy, both of you.
So there's that.
It is not okay for my son
to raise his voice or yell at her,
especially in front of their daughter.
If he's getting to that point, leave.
Take a walk, you know. Whatever.
But don't let your emotions get so much
that you're like causing a huge like scene.
Mary. [laughs]
Girl.
[exhales]
I want you to understand that, in all honesty,
both of you need individual therapy
for your own individual traumas.
-Yes. -And I want you to understand
that when you're talking to somebody
who is in a position to help you,
learn the tools that you need that are necessary
to not only be a healthy individual,
but to be a healthy partner.
It is not an attack on who you are.
You are so afraid of being wrong,
of failing, of not being good enough,
that you think that if you say,
"This is what I'm struggling with,"
that makes you a failure.
And it doesn't.
[Mary sniffles]
Why don't you wanna go to therapy or counseling or something?
Why won't you go?
I'm just scared, like, I will get judged.
Or, you know, people will say I'm crazy or something.
How is therapy viewed in your culture, Mary?
Yeah.
Good question.
Here, in our culture,
if you go to a therapy,
they'll think you're crazy.
So what do people do when they're struggling
with their mental health?
-They suffer. -They suffer.
-It's the same in Samoa. -Yes.
-It's the same in-- -There's one therapist in the entire country.
And if you go, you're insane.
I just don't like sharing my problems.
That's-- that's it.
Personally, Mary's already said that she has trust issues.
I feel like maybe she needs to get deeper within
this relationship with Brandan
before she can reach out to a complete stranger
and trust them not to judge her.
It makes me really sad, because you do really love each other.
It's very obvious that there is love there.
And whether that love is rooted in trauma
or rooted in, you know, actual love
is to be seen.
But I feel like you both need a lot of help.
You need a lot of help.
I'm a father of four.
Even if they bring you into it, I'd butt out,
because you're gonna get in a bad relationship
with one or both of them.
When my kids talk to me, I listen,
but I don't give a lot of advice
because it can backfire.
You're gonna piss her off or you're gonna piss him off.
And then you're gonna be the one cancelled.
I don't think they're ready to be parents.
Whose idea was it, do you think,
that they wanted to have a baby?
Whose idea?
Uh, if I had to-- I would say Mary.
Mmm, shocker.
I was shocked to hear that they were trying.
That was shocking.
Do you think he thought them having a baby
was gonna make sure she didn't leave him?
Um...
[exhales]
What do you think of Mary's social media?
I've seen some of her videos
and they're pretty provocative.
I think there is double standards in that aspect.
You know, like she doesn't want me talking to other girls,
but she's also trying to like post videos of her in a bikini
and stuff like that.
A lot of people do that.
If he was shaking his butt in his Speedos,
she would not tolerate that at all.
Are you seriously coming up to me and confronting me?
Why do you like to challenge women?
[Shekinah] Go sit down.
Get out of my face. Goodbye.
[exhales]
I definitely think that they believed
that having a child would bond them together.
Not financially, per se,
but emotionally.
I think that they just skipped over the whole honeymoon phase.
But, I mean, Brandan got there
and it's not like they grew together for a little bit.
Like, they didn't really enjoy their relationship.
I mean, they just, you know, went straight into marriage,
they had a child,
and now they're just trying to coexist with everything around them
without actually enjoying the basics of their relationship.
[Shaun] Well, there were lots of issues
from the very start of Brandan and Mary's relationship.
Before dating each other,
Brandan and Mary both had been cheated on
multiple times.
This led to some serious trust issues
when it came to them being around members of the opposite sex.
Let's take a look.
[Mary] Even though I love him so much,
I sometimes unplug the router when I go out.
And them I tell him that we have power outages here.
It's only because today I'm going to meet my friends
and Brandan gets jealous about them
because they are guys.
I turned off the Wi-Fi and then I hang up the phone
'cause we're hanging out.
He's always jealous.
And I'm the same way. You know that.
[Brandan] She's automatically thinking, "Oh, he's gonna flirt.
He's some type of pig."
Because Mary is so insecure.
Brandan, Mary, how does it feel seeing that again?
Um...
[bleep]. It feels very [bleep].
You know, thankfully, it has gotten much better.
Mary, how do you feel?
Um, watching that makes me feel like... [laughs]
...I really crazy way back.
And I feel bad about myself.
I hate myself on that.
[laughs] 'Cause I'm like too much.
[Shaun] Angela, I was watching you
as you were watching that,
and you looked like you could not contain yourself.
What were you thinking?
Oh, I'm pissed.
I mean... [clears throat]
Um...
my daughter, um, she hates Mary.
Hates her.
Wants nothing to do with her.
She's still blocked on everything.
And when she sees these things,
she has to leave the room.
You know? She's...
She's like, "I don't know how you can even like that bitch."
You know?
And I'm just gonna ask, you know, like,
I know, you know, everyone's like,
"How can he call her that?"
But what you just saw...
[laughs] ...how could you not?
I've seen more couples' than I can count stories.
She is the most controlling female I've ever seen.
I was so controlling before because, you know,
I'm so insecure about myself.
[crying] I feel like if Brandan saw a girl, like...
you know, girls everywhere are pretty.
And... I'm scared he might leave me.
I love him so much.
I was curious what you think about their dynamic--
Do you think that Mary is like, um,
some manipulative mastermind that has bad intentions...
-No. -...that comes from a place of malice?
-Absolutely not. -Or do you think she's a soft-hearted person
that just needs a little help?
That's kind of broke-- Like, you know.
No, I don't think she's a manipulative mastermind.
No. I did think that
when I first heard about their relationship
and that whole dynamic.
I didn't understand the background that she came from.
All I knew was that she was hurting my son.
[Holly] I think you guys like love each other so much.
I think you guys should go to the United States.
You'd have a stronger support system.
I would love for them to come here.
And I would love for her to visit
and just determine if this is someplace that she would--
she could possibly see herself settling down.
That's the thing. We're kind of, uh,
one foot staying at the house that we built,
and one foot leaning towards moving out of the Philippines altogether.
Mary really wants to visit America.
I want her to visit America
and meet my family in person.
I want my mom to see Midnight in person.
And I want her to really experience the cultural difference.
And we could try and make it work there too.
But I don't want to leave my grandmother
Because she's sick.
She have asthma.
I don't want something bad to happen to her without me.
So, maybe, visit America.
Let me just say, prior to me going there,
if Brandan and I were on the phone she would flip the hell out.
He'd have to hang up, he'd have to leave the room,
or she would have to be right there with him watching.
Now, he can walk out the house,
he can talk to me about whatever.
He was on FaceTime with me last night and all the time now.
The level of, like...
-[Julio speaking] -Yes.
-Thank you. -Yeah.
[Holly] I love the fact that you stood up for your daughter-in-law.
She has a lot of amazing qualities. She really does.
And she loves and takes care of my son
in a way that he has never experienced.
All right, Angela, we appreciate your time.
-Yeah, welcome. -[Shaun] Thank you for coming and sharing
your very, very candid thoughts
about your son and daughter-in-law,
so, we wish you the very best in the future.
And congratulations on being a grandma.
Thanks, guys.
Bye, Mom.
-Okay, bye. -Bye.
[Mary speaking in English]
-[Brandan whispers] -It's okay.
[Shaun] Hey, Mary and Brandan, I wanna ask you
what is the jealousy situation like now?
Are you still prevented from interacting with the opposite sex?
I mean, I don't...
I don't really use social media, so, it's not, like, I...
interact with people online that much
except for, like, my mom.
Does she have social media?
Yes, she does.
What do you think of Mary's social media?
I've seen some of her videos and they are pretty provocative.
I mean...
I think there is, uh, some
double standards in that aspect, you know, like,
she doesn't want me talking to other girls
and she gets insecure or jealous of other girls
but she's also trying to, like,
you know, post videos of her in a bikini and stuff like that.
It's not just in a bikini
but she's, like, shaking her ass
in a sexual way on camera, to the camera
trying to get a lot of sexual attention.
-Do these clips exist? -[Shekinah] They're... they're very provocative.
Yeah, I think we have a video right now. Let's see that.
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[Andrei speaking in English]
She's shaking her ass on social media
but doesn't want Brandan to do anything.
Yeah, I think it's her... it's the double standard about him.
Yeah, she would not... If he was shaking his butt in this Speedo, she would not
tolerate that at all.
[speaking in English]
It's a... I'm not, like...
A lot of people do that.
Yeah, but you're doing it, Mary,
and you're this very controlling person towards your husband.
So, for you to do it and be that way towards him, it doesn't make any sense.
[speaking in English]
What if Brandan was watching videos of that of another girl?
What if he was liking them and looking at those kind of videos
-of other girls? -Good point.
I care about that but he doesn't do that.
[speaking in English]
Weren't you stopping him from liking and watching other girls--
No, I just put down a boundary and I said you don't do this when you're in a relationship.
I think she was trying to get a rise out of Brandan to make him react
and in turn it would make her feel more loved
if he was like, "You're not to post stuff like that."
[Brandan] Since she and I have started talking
she has become more, um, confident,
I should say, in her posting her body online, right.
Because she felt like, "Oh, I'm dating an American man now.
He has these American standards
and all these American girls do this, so, I should do it too." Right?
And so, she starts doing that.
And I see it. I'm supportful of it.
And I think, you know, do whatever it is
that you need to do to make yourself feel better.
For Mary I just want to say something.
I believe that she's a manipulator...
-[Andrei speaking] -Uh, she can play victim.
You are the same...
character as Mary over here,
only she's a female. She's a control--
[both speaking in English]
[Shekinah speaking in English]
[speaking in English]
Look who is talking.
[Andrei] Huh?
[speaking in English]
This is how the manipulation shows up in y'all's relationship
as he uses his love to manipulate you,
so, you do things 'cause you wanna please him
and so, that's how the manipulation works in y'all's relationship.
You might not see it but that's what we're all seeing.
[speaking in English]
Yes, I do. I've been in plenty of manipulative relationships with men like you.
And I would never... Yeah. I would never deal with that again.
[speaking in English]
You're manipulative to your wife.
It's... it's very evident in your relationship.
-He likes to be manipulated. He told me to. -[speaking in English]
He's teaching me how to manipulate him. I never was manipulative.
You guys just want us to be toxic and we're not.
So, I'm sorry that you're disappointed that it's not working out.
-They are the perfect couple. -Yeah.
Thank you, Daniele, that's the first real thing you've ever said.
[speaking in English]
Well, what's funny is, every single couple
that has been talking for the last five minutes
they're all very toxic.
Yes, that's how we know it.
-Funny to see. -That's how we recognize it.
Like, I am in a severely toxic relationship,
I'm never ever gonna deny that by any stretch...
-[speaking in English] -...I don't pretend that it's working for me.
-"Oh well, it works for... it works for me." -Daniele's owning it.
[Andrei speaking in English]
[speaking in English]
[Shaun] Okay, everybody, I think we got a little off-track here.
But we were talking about Brandan and Mary.
All right, Brandan and Mary, thank you so much.
We wish you the very best.
-Thank you. -Thank you.
We're gonna take a quick break but there is so much more when we come back.
-[Andrei speaking] -[Shekinah] Hey, what's up?
Are you seriously coming up to me and confronting me?
[Andrei speaking]
If that's your perception then that's your perception.
[Andrei speaking]
I don't remember calling you toxic, Andrei.
Why do you like to challenge women?
[speaking in English]
I don't need to be defended in this situation.
Why? Are you attacking me?
[Andrei speaking]
Then why do I need to be defended?
You just said he's not defending me.
Why do I need to be defended if you're not attacking me?
[Andrei speaking]
Okay, Andrei, you're just confusing me, so, go sit down.
-[Andrei speaking] -I don't know what you're talking about.
So, get out of my face. Goodbye.
-[speaking in English] -Yeah.
-Wanna meet in person? -[speaking in English]
[Andrei speaking]
Okay, Andrei, you're just confusing me, so, go sit down.
-[Andrei speaking] -[Shekinah] I don't know what you're talking about.
Bye, Andrei. Then stand there all day.
-[Andrei speaking] -Okay. Goodbye.
[Andrei speaking]
He just told me to [bleep] off by the way.
Like, he's a dick.
I... I think Andrei loves to fight and
to approach a woman that aggressively
just to try to push your viewpoint,
you know, essentially, like, down my throat.
He's, like, standing over me
like, in this very domineering way.
Um, that's toxic masculinity.
[Kenny] To tell you the truth, Andrei trying to shell out manipulation advice...
[in English]
I think Andrei is intimidating.
He knows he's intimidating. He's a big dude...
and she's a smaller girl.
But he needs to learn by this time and his age
that doesn't get... accomplish anything. So, he could learn something.
That you don't go for the jugular like that.
I just don't think it's the right thing to do.
[Andrei speaking]
You tell me. That was all you.
[speaking in English]
That was very aggressive.
-Yeah, that's toxic masculinity. -[Andrei speaking]
But you came at her intimidating.
And she is a woman, so, she is gonna snap back.
[speaking in English]
Okay, if that's how you speak
-that's how you speak... -[Shekinah] No, it's not your accent.
But you understand that's the reaction you're gonna get
when you speak like that.
I never had met Andrei until recently
and the more time I've got to know him
it's his personality, it's his voice...
Like, he... he's a super sweet guy.
-Still, he jumped at her. -It was a lot of noise.
Yes, that's his personality but it doesn't work with people.
At some point we have to stop saying,
"Oh, I'm not this. You are. I'm not this. You are."
At some point you have to say, "Well, why do you think that way about me?"
You just always bring it back to them. Like, what about you?
You have to be reflec... You're sitting here
telling every female that they have to be reflective
-and you have not reflected once. -[Andrei] Exactly.
We sat through your whole segment and at no point did you say,
"Yeah, I [bleep] up."
-You never once... -Where did I [bleep] up, Daniele?
-[Andrei] Let me tell you why.
-Let me tell you why. -No, no, no.
-[speaking in English] -Enough. Enough.
You just sit here and yell at everybody else
-and tell everybody else what they're doing wrong... -What are you talking about?
...and you're never ever reflective about yourself.
I am more than willing to take perso--
-Like, responsibility for anything-- -So, can you share an example
of where you feel like you need to take responsibility for something?
I remained composed throughout a lot of situations
that a lot of people would've probably lost their composure.
[Daniele] Did that answer my question?
-It took a lot of-- -So, you felt like everything was amazing,
and you felt like there was nowhere for you to improve, okay.
But I think that we all have things that we have to work on.
And sometimes when people point out your flaws
you deflect and make it about someone else and Sarper did the same thing.
You grew up in a super, like, hardcore...
And I grew up Mormon. It's very similar
in, like, being nitpicked and controlled for every single thing that you do.
And it makes you make poor choices in men.
I can say that.
Like, it comes off with some other people that, yes, you're being attacked...
[speaking in English]
I think you're bringing your own thing into my relationship.
Like, your issues are yours. They're not related to
-what I'm dealing with. -But I'm telling you, Shekinah,
if every single person in the room is seeing the same [bleep]
and you're the only one that doesn't,
-it comes off as delusional. -[Shekinah speaking]
[Andrei speaking in English]
We've never used that word. We've never used that word.
Actually, no, you did use that word.
'Cause when I said you were the only perfect couple
you said out loud, "That's the first real thing
-you've said all day." -I was being sarcastic, Daniele.
I was being sarcastic 'cause you were being
such a freaking little genius in that moment.
You just sit here and belittle
-everybody in the room. -[Tania speaking]
-You tell everybody else why they're wrong. -No, I don't.
[Daniele] Yeah, we're all stupid,
-we're all toxic... -I'm leaving. You guys can just talk...
-Talk about it with yourselves. -[Daniele] We'll miss you.
[Shekinah speaking]
There have been a lot of women that Yohan has spoken with
and we have one of them with us today.
[Tim] Uh-oh.
Please welcome Memori.
[speaking in English]
You just sit here and belittle
-everybody in the room. -[Tania speaking]
-You tell everybody else why they're wrong. -Yeah.
-That's what I'm saying. -[Daniele] We're all stupid,
-we're all toxic. -You guys can just talk...
-Talk about it with yourselves. -[Daniele] We'll miss you.
[Shekinah speaking]
[speaking in English]
This isn't the way to handle somebody that's in this situation.
I knew, like, once she got ganged up of
it was gonna be the end of the conversation.
You kinda have to read people and that wasn't gonna fly with her.
I knew that it was gonna happen.
I knew she was gonna bolt soon enough.
I didn't think I would get, like, that triggered but just...
I just see so much of myself in my relation... or my past relationship in her,
I just wanna shake her and be, like, "Wake up!"
-I'm just trying to warn the bitch. -Yeah.
[speaking in English]
[indistinct chatter]
[Kenny speaking]
I do feel Shekinah is a little bit misunderstood.
I understand her aura sometimes,
she might come off a little superior
but I thought everybody was just jumping the crap out of her
and I felt bad for her.
I feel confused. I don't know what their problem is.
I think that Kalani was projecting
some unprocessed, uh, trauma on to me.
Like, maybe that's your experience
but don't make that mine. That's... that's not my truth.
[Shaun] Okay, welcome back, everyone.
I heard there was some tension backstage during the break.
So, uh, how's everybody doing?
-[woman 1] Good, good. -[Shaun] Okay. Shekinah?
-Yeah, I'm fine. -[Shaun] Andrei?
[speaking in English]
He's not done, of course.
[Andrei speaking]
[speaking in English]
I'm not defensive.
[Shekinah] You're worked up.
Oh, wow.
-Oh, wow. That's a reach. -[Andrei continues speaking]
You, standing, towering above me shouting to my face.
-Standing above me. -[speaking in English]
I'm sitting here minding my own business
and you come over here and start shouting at me.
[speaking in English]
How are we toxic?
[speaking in English]
He really is mad about that.
[Andrei continues speaking]
Did you come up to me with respect? No, you did not.
So, shut up about respect, Andrei. Don't even say that word.
-Literally, you don't even know the meaning of that word. -[Andrei speaking]
'Cause I don't respect you so, I'm not gonna
-listen to you about respect. -[speaking in English]
You came to shout at me and to confront me
and to be very aggressive.
-[speaking in English] -Yeah.
Did you say you wanna meet in person?
[speaking in English]
Great.
All right.
Well, we're gonna go ahead and move on.
I wanna check back in with Daniele and Yohan.
Daniele has told us that throughout their relationship
Yohan has spoken with, what she guesses,
to be at least 50 different women.
Yohan, do you still maintain that you weren't speaking to these women?
[speaking in other language]
[in English] Well, we have one of them with us today.
-Oh, yeah. -[bleep]
Please welcome Memori.
Uh-oh.
[Tim speaking]
-[Shaun] Hi, Memori. -Hi.
[Shaun] Thanks so much for being here.
Tell me, how did Yohan first approach you?
Um, he slid in my Facebook message and said hello
at first. It was, like, 11 o'clock at night.
And then he was asking me, you know, was I married, did I have kids.
It just kinda went from there.
And what did you two talk about?
[Memori] To begin with it was, "Hey, how are you?"
You know, "What you got going on?"
And, eventually,
he had told me, you know, I needed to visit the DR.
And I was like, you know... My friend and I had talked about doing, like, a mom trip
to the DR, so, I just asked about it
and he was like, "You don't need to bring a friend."
You know, "I'll show you anything that you need to see.
You can just come here and see me."
What did he tell you about his relationship status?
Um, he had told me that he was single going through a divorce.
And that she was trying to take everything from him.
Let me go back to Yohan for a minute.
Yohan, do you remember talking to Memori?
[speaking in other language]
So, Memori, you did not reach out to Yohan first?
No, ma'am.
Okay. Do you have the conversation?
I got all of it right here.
Ooh!
Can you read us the exchange?
[Memori] He just said hola and I said hello.
I told him I was going on a trip.
And he said, "That's okay. Do you have kids and a husband?"
And I said, "I'm single but I do have a child. And you?"
He said, "I'm single and I don't have children, I'm getting a divorce."
And I said, "Oh no, I'm so sorry. I've never been married
but I can imagine it's hard to get a divorce. Are you okay?"
And he said, "More or less. Can I see a picture of you now?"
And I just said, "I'm sorry."
And then I told him that I saw on his profile
that he was from the Dominican.
And he said, "I've been trying to get my best friend to go with me."
And he said, "You can come alone.
I could take good care of you if you want,
I have no problem with that. Where do you live?"
Okay. Yohan, do you remember this exchange now?
[speaking in other language]
-[Andrei] That doesn't matter. -Yeah, it literally doesn't matter.
Memori, who sent the first message?
Did Yohan contact you first or did you contact Yohan first?
Yohan contacted me, June 6th at 10:59 p.m. It's right there.
That's the very first message.
Was this when you guys were together he was messaging her?
Or is this already when you were separated?
Um, this is before. This is June,
so this is before we moved out, but we were fighting.
I'm almost, like, I believe he doesn't remember her.
My question is for him...
[speaking Spanish]
I believe that he doesn't remember her.
-I think he has so many bitches. -So many.
[in English] They engaged in some kind of relationship
while she was on my retreat. He used his position
in my business for his sexual benefit.
[speaking Spanish]
[scoffs]
[in Spanish]
[in English] Because no women is important to you.
[Shaun] Okay, so Memori, how did your exchange end?
Like, did he just stop reaching out?
No, basically, you know, Daniele had said that
she went through and was adding everybody.
[Shaun] Meaning all of the women Yohan added as friends?
Yes.
So, I messaged her and was like, "Hi, you know,
I'm assuming that you added me because of Yohan."
And she said, yes, that that was the reason.
And, you know, I had told her everything that he had told me.
And she told me, you know, "He's still very much married."
And I don't have anything to do with married men.
That was just, that was the end of it. I didn't talk to him anymore.
[Shaun] All right, Memori,
thank you so much for being here with us today.
And thanks for sharing this very sensitive information.
-Take care. -Yes, ma'am. Thank you.
Daniele, I'm sorry for all the [bleep] I talked about you.
-[scattered laughter] -I'm sorry, 'cause that's [bleep].
Okay, I have to point out that when we had you both on the last Tell All,
Yohan, you had issues with Daniele interacting with her ex, Taylen.
Let's take a look back at that moment.
I don't even know how to respond to this,
like, I have to...
Daniele, based on the dates that you were given,
were any of these women talking with Yohan
during the time of the last Tell All?
Yes.
[Shaun] Yes.
Many of them. One of them being one of my clients.
[Shaun] "One of your clients?"
Yeah.
What did one of your clients tell you?
They engaged in some kind of relationship
while she was on my retreat.
He used his position in my business
for his own sexual benefit.
[scoffs]
The first time, he went and picked up
another woman in my retreat van
and took her to maybe or maybe not my apartment.
The second time, he engaged in a relationship
with one of the woman who was there.
Yohan, is that true?
Do I ever say anything without proof?
I had a found a picture on his computer
of a chat that they had.
I knew something was up, so I was like, "I need you to do me a favor.
I need you to delete my husband's number from your phone.
This is making me very uncomfortable.
I don't think you guys should be having private conversations."
And she said, "No problem. Done."
And then just, like, two weeks ago, she sent me an email
and was like, "Hey, I'm ready to talk about this,"
and detailed their relationship.
Okay, you have that email?
-I do. -[Shaun] Okay.
-Oof. -[Shaun] Can you pull that out?
I'm sure this isn't easy,
so just share the parts that you're comfortable with.
Um...
"Daniele, I need to speak to you in a calm manner
when you're available and ready, if you're willing.
Yohan started messaging me while we were at the retreat.
He came to my tent.
The first night, he was trying to convince me to leave the property with him
to go spend some time together.
He wanted me to stay back when I left the retreat
because you were going to New York.
Again, I said no.
After you talked to me and told me not to talk to him anymore,
I told him that I couldn't talk to him anymore.
And he got super mad and told me that I was
letting you control me and I was afraid of you.
I truly wasn't chasing your husband.
I wasn't calling him on FaceTime,
he was calling me.
I'm truly sorry for the role that I played in this.
I never wanted any of this."
I don't know, there's a lot.
[Shaun] So, let me ask you this, Daniele,
are you convinced that this woman and Yohan
had a physical relationship?
Yeah.
Yeah, the night that she's describing,
he had an English class.
And he disappeared after the English class,
but he would normally come back to bed and he didn't.
I just, I knew something was up, I don't know.
Oh, gosh.
[sighs]
[Yohan speaking]
Wow.
Yohan, one more time, did you cheat on Daniele?
[crying] Just be honest!
Just for once in your life just tell the truth!
[Armando speaking Spanish]
Yohan, do you admit
to cheating with any woman
while you were with Daniele?
[in English] You have no other option than to act this way, Yohan.
[in Spanish]
[Yohan speaking]
[gasps]
Oh, wow.
She's out of your league.
He's angry because I made this public.
-Yeah. -[Daniele] No one knew about this.
None of my friends, none of his family.
[crying] I didn't tell anybody what I was experiencing.
And now you sit here and [bleep] berate me instead of...
Just be honest!
Just for once in your life just tell the truth!
Oh, my gosh.
[Holly speaking]
he's been caught, like, red-handed.
[Yohan speaking]
[Shaun] I wanna ask Yohan one more time.
Will you finally admit that
during any time during your relationship,
did you cheat on Daniele?
[sighs]
Oh, my God.
So Yohan, are all of these women lying?
Does anybody believe Yohan?
[singing] ♪ No♪
[Daniele] Does anybody believe Yohan?
-I'm actually very curious about that. -[Tim] No.
'Cause I sometimes think that, like,
maybe I'm being unreasonable.
[Yohan speaking]
I have evidence, Yohan.
I very intentionally made sure that I kept
all of the evidence because I know you,
and I knew you would say this.
And I know that everyone already thinks I'm evil and I'm mean to you,
so I knew that the only way to protect myself
is to come with evidence.
By a show of hands, how many people think that
Yohan has been unfaithful?
From the evidence today. Everyone here, everyone here.
Okay. Kirsten?
I think there's enough evidence that Yohan is cheating.
And, um...
[laughing]
-[Andrei] Oh, he is. -Amen, Wayne.
I'm glad someone said that out loud.
Oh, it's an emotional thing for Daniele to go through.
[crying]
Ultimately, I love TJ.
I wanna spend my life with him.
But at this point,
I don't know if I can count TJ in my plans for the future.
[crying] I'm sorry.
[Shaun] Daniele, let me ask you one final question.
Are you going to file for divorce?
Yeah, absolutely.
Daniele, can you please, for the love of God, not be his friend?
-Like, ever again? Thank you so much. -[Holly] Yeah, please.
You're so much better than that.
[Daniele] Thank you.
[exhales relievedly]
[Shaun] All right. Daniele, Yohan, I am sorry
this relationship ended on such a horrible note.
I hope you both can move past it.
And I wish you both the best of luck in the future.
Well, that does it for 90 Day Fiancé: The Other Way, The Couples Tell All.
I wanna sincerely thank all of you
for allowing us into your lives.
And I wanna thank Tania, Andrei,
-Kalani, and Tim. Thank you so much. -Yeah.
I'm Shaun Robinson, and I'll see you next time.
Thanks, everybody. Thank you.
[Andrei] Thank you.
-[Shaun] Good job. -[Kalani] Thank you, Shaun.
Wooh.
Buh-bye!
-[Tania] Yeah. -[Tim] Good to see you again.
[Brandan] I definitely think Mary has a very big
controlling aspect to her.
Um, it has gotten better,
but I'm not gonna say it's completely gone.
Her insecurities,
her overthinking,
as I put it, is really what made us toxic.
Yeah, there's things that we definitely need to work on still.
It's not perfect.
[Holly] Um, were you surprised by Jenny being...
-[indistinct] -I was surprised that she thinks she really...
I'm not gonna interact with any of the rest of the cast members.
I'm done. I'm leaving.
[Shekinah] I just feel like everyone, you know, hates me.
I don't care. Let them.
Sarper and I, you know, we took the criticism.
And, you know, a lot of the women were crying,
and I felt like they...
I don't know, I kinda felt like they wanted to see me crying.
Every experience that Sarper and I go through,
we come out of it stronger.
And that's how I know that we're not in a toxic relationship.
You know, like, difficult times don't
put cracks in our relationship.
They just build our relationship even stronger.
-Can I come in? -Yeah.
[Holly] Oh, I just wanted to say bye.
It was, like, really cool getting to know you, like, um...
-I'll sit here. -Okay.
I have so much respect for you because in the situation you were put on,
that was hard.
And I think that he's gaslit you for so long,
that that's why you dug in so deep to find out the truth
because you had to prove it to yourself.
That's really true. It's like, I think that
I kept believing, like, "It's my fault, it's my fault,
it's my fault that this marriage doesn't work."
And so, like, I needed evidence that proved that, like,
"This isn't me. This isn't me.
-Like, this is really happening," so... -[Holly] Yup.
It feels really nice to have an entire room say
that they believe my story.
That they believe that this man cheated on me.
-[indistinct] -You're a really special person.
[sniffling] My marriage was very much real for me,
but I don't think it was real for him.
[crying]
It's all over. I mean, it was [bleep],
but I'm glad that it's all out and I'm done.
I'm ready to move on with my life.
[sighs] I mean, anything is possible.
You know, in this moment, I have nothing tying me down.
Goodbye, New York!
I'm not living for someone else anymore.
I'm living for myself.
When I said that I would go to South Africa in two months to Wayne, I meant that.
But also, like, we have to be in a good place.
Like, I can't just go if he's not gonna, like,
call me or there's no communication.
I'm obviously not gonna hop on a plane and go down there.
[indistinct chatter]
Um... [clears throat]
[Holly] It's hard to trust someone when
you're in your darkest moments and you feel
kind of like they turned their back on you.
But I guess in his own way, he feels like I did that to him.
[Wayne speaking]
Take care, Holly.
This is it.
Trust is something that once it's broken,
it's very difficult to build again.
And for the four months leading up to our breakup,
that's what I was doing.
I was trying to rebuild that trust with Kirsten.
Unfortunately, the communication wasn't there.
I felt like we really weren't moving forward.
I think I needed this. I think it finally, uh,
[Kenny] Armando and I's future is gonna be amazing.
I have no doubt about that.
We do have some decisions to make.
Like, right away we have a decision to make
on how many embryos we wanna transfer.
But we know we're gonna have a baby soon.
A lot of people that aren't in an age-gap relationship,
they don't understand it.
They think there's always an agenda on somebody's part.
And that's not the case.
Bye!
I do beat to my own drum. I am my own person,
and I'm gonna love who I wanna love,
and it doesn't matter who it is or what the age gap is.
And it works for us.
[Kimberly] When Jenny made threats to me,
I felt that was very childish of her.
But I'm not opposed to a fight.
I ain't scared.
Bye.
Ultimately, I love TJ.
I wanna spend my life with him.
But at this point, I have to put myself first.
[sighs]
Right now, I'm not going back to India for a while, um...
I'm not going back for at least four months.
I'm spending time with my family.
TJ means the world to me.
But if I went back to India today,
I'd be very sad, honestly.
[sniffling, crying] I'm sorry.
At this point, I don't know if I can count TJ in my plans for the future.
So, I'd like him to be there, theoretically, but,
realistically, I don't know where to put him.
I don't know what it's gonna look like at this point,
but I'm on it.