[Shaun] Previously on 90 Day Fiance: The Other Way The Couples Tell-All.
Where are you, my love?
Who's the ass [bleep]?
- Probably me, because I asked him a question. - Yeah.
Bam, bam, bam.
[speaking in Spanish]
I agree.
They think that you carried his balls in your purse.
If he wants to be the patriarch, then he needs
to pay all the bills and also know how to cook and clean.
Yeah, like, bring it on.
When we go out, Gabe does pull a lot of women.
I mean, you can see how women respond to him.
Use your words correctly, Trey.
- Uh-oh. Uh-oh, Gabe. - I don't talk to nobody.
Like, I just want her to trust me more.
Jen and Rishi, are you or are you not engaged?
We're not engaged.
I think fiance still.
Man, really?
I'm not waiting for your family to come around.
You don't got no balls. You gotta stick up for your woman.
[speaking in Hindi]
Yeah, we've heard that, but thanks for reiterating it.
Jeymi, you admit to sending those texts to that other woman.
Did you consider that cheating?
- It was five days. - No.
Tell us about this ex-boyfriend.
What happened?
Yeah, I had an ex-boyfriend that I had dated for five years.
And then she told me that he was sending her
all this stuff, so I went to his house
and kicked the freakin' door into his bedroom.
I was like, what the [bleep] are you doing?
Why do you have pictures of me?
What are you doing sending them?
I said, where's your phone?
I crushed his phone and I ran like hell.
This is wild.
Somebody's lying here. Like, one of you is lying.
I'm having a hard time figuring out which one it is,
but, like, this story is not adding up.
[Shaun] And which one do you think it is?
I am Team Jeymi on this.
If you guys aren't married, you've never met in person,
and you disappear on me for 20 days, I am considering
myself single again.
Like, I don't know if I'll ever hear from you again.
How long am I supposed to wait?
How did she know if you were even gonna come back?
We talked five days later, and everything's fine,
but she never mentioned that she had talked to somebody else.
If she was so happy with this person that she started talking to,
why the hell did she contact me?
Okay, well, one person who had serious reservations
about this relationship was Kris's mom, Mona.
We invited her here to hear her views on their split.
please welcome Kris' mom, Mona.
- Hi, Mona. - Hi.
Mona, you had reservations from the very beginning.
Yes.
I really thought that Jeymi was looking
for a sugar mama.
And I didn't blame her.
I thought, well, she wanted a better life.
She wants more out of life. She's looking for a relationship that
they can have that together.
- And that's what I thought. - What...
What red flags did you see at the beginning
of the relationship that made you think?
All the money that was going that way.
From the very beginning, Kris was sending Jeymi money?
She was using her PayPal and sending it for me
- 'cause I didn't have a PayPal. - Yeah.
- Your mom was sending the money? - Yep.
Mona, how much money were you sending?
- It was a lot of money. - Ballpark.
- Yeah, give us a rate.
Thousands of dollars.
- She said about 10. - I think that's it, probably.
Every time it was Jeymi needs groceries, Jeymi, you know,
and the apartment was a big deal, but, you know,
they both had good dreams, but they didn't dream together.
I think Kris really, here's how I'm gonna put this,
loved the idea of Jeymi.
- I agree. - Ah.
- These are payments that you're sending to her? - I guess that's what
she's saying, yeah.
$1,740.
I'm confused because you said you paid $10,000
- in six months when we were in the green room. - I paid
seven, over seven grand in the time I was there.
Kris, do you have receipts for how much you spent?
It was on a bank account I no longer have,
because they thought somebody stole my identity.
[speaking in Spanish]
All right, as we've seen finances have always been
a sticky topic between Kris and Jeymi,
let's take a look back at one of those heated exchanges.
It's difficult here, too.
I would be there right now if financially we could live,
but we can't.
You know, it kills me because I don't think you realize
just how bad this is for me.
I don't enjoy this at all.
I want to be there just as much as you want me there.
But I'm having to work here because I can work here.
The money, you eating and you having a roof over your head
and you're talking about money's more important to me.
If money was important to me, I would be spending the money
on myself.
But I spend every dime sending money to you.
Every penny I make goes to you.
Every time I talk to you, this is what you're doing.
You know, nothing's ever enough.
So why would I want to talk to you?
Because that's what you're doing! Bitching!
Everything I do is never enough for you.
I'm done with this conversation.
[Shaun] Wow.
Kris...
- Kris, what are you thinking right now? - [sniffles]
I just wanted to acknowledge that everything I was doing
was for her.
That if I had the money, I would have left right away
and I would have been there.
And you worked so hard, constantly,
working, working, working.
But did we see Jeymi working and busting her butt? Nope.
Whose side are you on after hearing all of this, Tim?
- Neither. - Veronica?
Jeymi.
But also neither, because they need to not be together.
Debbie?
I believe Kris, and I think Jeymi's lying.
Oussama?
- Okay. - [all laughing]
All right.
What I hate about this whole situation
is that I think they really wanted this.
I think the idea of it was beautiful.
I think that Kris really wanted this to work.
And quite frankly, I think when she got to Colombia,
it was just way more than she thought it was gonna be.
You know, I think it was not the dream she thought it was gonna be.
And I wish Jeymi nothing but the best, truly.
But I wish more for my daughter.
Okay. Well, Mona, it has been a pleasure speaking with you.
- Thank you so much for being here - Thank you.
and sharing your opinion.
- Thank you so much. - Thank you.
Tim and Veronica, as always, thank you very much
for your viewpoint, and I'm going to let you head backstage.
Jeymi and Kris, do you two have just
any last words for each other?
No, because no matter what I say, she's going to have some remark to it,
so there's just really no point in it.
Jeymi, any last words you want to say to Kris?
Yeah, that's the disturbing [bleep] I'm talking about.
I could have thrown you under the bus, but I didn't.
I chose the high road, but you had to be disrespectful.
Shocker.
- Ugh. - Ugh.
Yes, exactly, you are.
Well, Kris and Jeymi, even though your relationship
did not last, we certainly appreciate you sharing
these very vulnerable moments.
Thank you.
Oh, my God. Kris and Jeymi, the heck is going on?
- Like... - Craziness.
It's really hard to figure out who to believe, but you know what?
Kris had lots of convenient excuses...
For how she didn't have proof.
But also, I got strong Jennifer vibes with Jeymi.
Like, and I will say that, like, and I know exactly
how that goes, where, like, you send 500, and the next day
they need $1,000, and it just keeps happening
and happening and happening.
And I guarantee that there was probably more money
than just that PayPal showed.
Like, there was cash. I guarantee there was, Ronica.
Like, you don't keep a girl like that for two years for 1,700 bucks.
- [laughs] - You don't.
I know we ended things on an emotional note,
but, Nicole and Mahmoud, I want to circle back to you.
While Nicole is the most important person
in Mahmoud's life, a close second is his brother, Ahmed.
We're going to welcome him on now to share his thoughts
on this very tricky relationship.
Ahmed, thank you so much for being here.
How are you?
Hi, I'm good, I'm good.
So what do you think is the main reason
why they have many arguments?
Ahmed, do you think that Mahmoud is too hard on Nicole?
Well, most couples typically prefer to keep
their arguments private, but one of Nicole and Mahmoud's fights
was so intense, it spilled out onto the busy streets of Cairo.
Let's take a look back at that moment right now.
It's just always [bleep] something, I'm tired of it.
All day, I've been working really hard to make Mahmoud happy.
He taught me how to pray. I wore the burkini.
But then, when we went to change out of our swimsuits,
he said something passive-aggressive to me, like, like you care anyway.
And I just... I'd had enough.
And I just snapped.
Leave me the [bleep] alone, Mahmoud.
Just your whole attitude and, like, everything about you.
Everything's about you.
Everything about you right now.
I'm tired of it. Like, every single second, like, of every day
that I've been here so far, it's just you picking at me. Like, pick, pick, pick, pick,
pick. Pick, pick.
Yeah, so constantly.
Nothing good enough for you ever.
Go find some other [bleep].
Just let me go.
I don't want to talk to you anymore.
Like, I just want you to leave me alone.
I will.
I'm not going anywhere with you.
No.
You don't get to control me anymore, Mahmoud.
I'm tired of your bull [bleep].
I don't give a [bleep] whatever you want to do. Just go.
Nicole, how does it feel watching that?
It just kind of, like, brought me right back to that place, right?
I remember that day very well, and it was, uh...
It was maybe, like, the most challenging day we had, yeah.
Uh, Ahmed, uh, you had a hand in mending
the relationship after this incident.
Have you seen that video before?
I think I took some things personally
that maybe I shouldn't have, and I feel like
we've gotten a lot better about that.
He has... I mean, look what I'm wearing.
Like, I don't know, that's this huge...
You know, I think about the same thing
in my own relationship because I have similar experiences,
and I wonder if it's going to get better or if it's going to get worse.
Because, like, sometimes men who are very set
in their ways, when they're exposed to other types of cultures,
they can grow, and sometimes it makes them dig their heels in even more.
That's going to be a lot of responsibility for you,
and it's going to be really hard emotionally on you,
and I just want to know if, like,
you're prepared to take on that role.
Well, this is something that I've been thinking about,
so I've had plenty of time, you know, to kind of...
to come to terms with the level of responsibility
that this new venture will entail, I guess.
- But he did it for me, right? - Yeah.
Well, there's another issue between you two.
At one point, Nicole discovered that Mahmoud
had been chatting online with at least one other woman
in a way that even Mahmoud admitted wasn't appropriate.
Take a look.
- You think it's okay? - No, I don't think it's okay.
But I think it's about as okay as you,
uh, having chats with girls.
I never did.
Oh, really?
[scoffs] What I did.
How old are you?
What are you doing?
Did you make it back to your hotel okay last night?
Okay, can either of you explain what happened there?
Mahmoud, do you want to go ahead?
[in Arabic]
Why do they think it's funny?
What kind of TV do you like to watch?
"Oh, how old are you?
Oh, what are you doing right now?"
Who asks somebody like that you're trying to buy some TVs from like,
you know, how old she is and what she's doing
and this kind of stuff.
Wait, so he was having a professional conversation
with this female and now then he's asking her what
her favorite TV show is?
It started professional, and then it slowly moved into
- this, like... - Into this, like, what?
I don't know what it was, right?
Who was the woman?
I don't know. Some girl from China.
No, it was more than two questions, Mahmoud.
You definitely crossed some lines there.
Yes, it was totally inappropriate, and you know it.
"What kind of TV shows do you like?
like, oh, I watch Egyptian TV and sometimes American TV."
I don't get why they think this is so funny.
[speaking in Spanish]
I think he's embarrassed.
That's why he's laughing.
I think it's nervous laughter.
I don't think they aim to hurt Nicole at all.
I think it's nerves and kind of confusion.
It's not malicious laughter.
Mahmoud, how would you feel and what would you do
if Nicole was talking to another guy online?
True.
Let me tell you something.
I think you're so scummy.
[intense music playing]
Words from my wife.
Mahmoud has everything in a man that I would never want.
You're never going to change.
My advice to Nicole is to get a divorce.
You can find somebody that has the same views as you.
You see? It's a joke for them.
First of all, how many times did Mahmoud ask for a divorce?
He has qualities to change.
[speaking in Spanish]
Words from my wife,
"Mahmoud has everything in a man that I would never want."
You're never gonna change.
- Okay. - Of course it's not, because you're never gonna change.
You're never gonna change.
You're not gonna change, and that's fine.
[Shaun] So, Gabe, what would your advice to Nicole be?
My advice to Nicole is to get a divorce.
You can find somebody that has the same views as you.
You see? It's a joke for them.
There you go.
First of all, how many times did Mahmoud ask for a divorce?
If you keep asking for a divorce, then do it.
I think that he has qualities to change if...
Nicole, you need to find somebody with an open mind that
has the same beliefs as you, because you guys
don't have the same beliefs.
Let me ask this.
Nicole, do you and Mahmoud have the same beliefs about
- how a Muslim woman should act? - No.
No, we do not.
- He's incredibly orthodox, and I'm not. - Mm-hmm.
Mahmoud, when you come to the States,
are you still going to be telling Nicole what she should wear?
Oussama, how do you see their relationship?
Do you think they can have a successful relationship?
[speaking in Spanish]
Because I am not, like, orthodox, I don't believe that clothing has
anything to do with, like, with my religious beliefs
or my spirituality or anything.
And I will continue to do what I want,
say what I want, wear what I want,
and I don't give a [bleep], like, what anybody thinks about that.
Like, there's more than one way to be Muslim.
There's more than one way to be religious.
And I don't care, like, if you think that
I shouldn't dress the way that I want.
Like, I don't care.
One minute she's inappropriate, then the next minute
you're saying she's fine.
[Ahmed speaking]
Well, he acts really different when you're not around
and then you won't be around when he's in America
and he acts really different when you're not around.
That's what everybody's questions or concerns are about.
Yeah, so you like that right there, childish.
Right.
Why can't you just not be an ass [bleep] just to not be an ass [bleep]?
Like, why do you have to do it for someone else?
That's judgmental. That's very judgmental.
- Perhaps, but... - Nicole, did he apologize to you?
I was wondering if he apologized.
Well, on that note, Ahmed, thank you for joining us today
and sharing your insight.
Nicole and Mahmoud, we wish you guys the very best,
however the future looks.
Thank you.
Nicole and Mahmoud!
Man, this has been a ride of a relationship.
No lie, I cannot believe they're still together.
Everything just turned. We're so outside of him, I don't think
- we've ever seen before. - No, he can only behave when he's with his brother.
I feel really bad for Nicole.
I don't care what language, culture you're from,
laughing at someone when you see they're heartbroken
is not okay.
Like, no, I don't think it's cultural at all, but...
I don't either.
...you know I have a really bad nervous laugh.
Yeah, but with something like this,
like, you just told your boyfriend that
you've been talking to another guy,
you're gonna nervously laugh?
- I mean, I don't know, but, like... - It's disrespectful.
That's the only word for it.
I want to loop back in with Gabe and Isabel.
Gabe's family is very protective of him,
No one more so than his younger sister, Monica.
That's why Gabe was so devastated that
Monica chose not to attend his wedding.
Monica is here now to talk about the impact
this has had on their sibling bond.
Please welcome Monica.
When I went to Columbia for Gabe's wedding,
Gabe and I ended up getting into a heated argument
and he ended up telling me that I was the reason that
all of his past relationships have failed
and so ever since then, our relationship has been estranged.
I feel like by coming here today,
this is the only way that I'm gonna get Gabe to talk to me about
the situation that happened.
Why didn't you come?
You could have shot me in the face and broke my leg
and I would have still went to your wedding.
Please welcome Monica.
How are you doing?
Good.
- I missed you. - I miss you too.
How long has it been since you two talk?
Um, well, we talk on a regular basis.
- No, we don't. - Yes, we do.
You message me every day. We send memes every day.
We send memes, but we don't talk.
Yeah, but that's how we keep in contact.
When was the last time you called me?
[Shaun] All right, I want to talk about the wedding.
Gabe, why do you think she didn't come?
I don't know. I have no idea.
So you have been sitting not knowing why your sister
didn't come to your wedding?
No, but I don't dwell on it.
Wait a minute, I cannot believe you two
did not talk about why your sister did not attend
- your wedding. - Because it's sad.
I'm so non-confrontational.
I don't want to have an angry discussion with her.
I know that we both have our views.
She's very stubborn, I'm very stubborn,
and it's gonna go nowhere.
Okay.
Monica had concerns about Gabe and Isabel's relationship
from the very beginning.
Let's take a look back at some of her opinions
and Gabe's reaction to finding out Monica wasn't coming to the wedding.
This new tattoo, is that, like, to prove
that you love her just as much as you used to love the person on the back
of your neck, or what?
I think that Gabe moving to Colombia to be with a woman
is a stupid decision,
but it's just very true to who he is as a person
because he's impulsive.
All the girls that you typically date,
They're, like, all shades of, like, the same person, essentially.
Typically, Gabe goes for women that are very needy,
very jealous, and a little stupid.
Monica said she's not coming.
'Cause last night when we went out, like...
a debacle happened.
It's just another thing where she's just kind of poking me
and to just make drama for nothing.
Every relationship is always a problem.
Like, if she doesn't want to go, then she'll live
with the memory of not going.
It's fine.
Okay?
- I know, I know. - [sniffles]
So, you said there was a debacle that happened.
- A kerfuffle, yeah. - Yes, what was the debacle?
She said something about me and Isabel having problems,
but every relationship has problems.
The reason, Gabe, that I didn't show up,
and the reason why I was hurt, was because you said to me
that I'm the common denominator in all
of your failed relationships.
No. I said, why is it that every relationship,
you always have a problem with somebody?
Why didn't you come?
Because of what you said, Gabe.
I know, but, Monica, you could have shot me in the face and broke my leg,
and I would have still went to your wedding.
Monica, there was no possible way that
you could pull yourself together to go to
- your brother's once-in-a-lifetime wedding. - No.
- There was no way you could do it. - No.
I got my hair done for two hours.
The entire two hours, I was bawling my eyes out.
I hopped in the shower, I went and I pulled my dress out,
and then I'm like, I'm not gonna show up like that.
Do you regret your decision?
I mean, of course I would love to see him get married,
and, like, obviously, I don't want to offend Isabel.
I don't want to offend Isabel or her parents, because
I think they're amazing people, but, like,
I'm not gonna show up to your wedding crying.
No, I'm sorry, though.
Like, it is...
- I don't even feel sorry. - No, but I feel like we don't...
I just want to know that you don't think that of me,
- that's it. - No, all I thought is that, like, I want you
to support my relationship.
And I did, and I did, and I... The first day, I...
Yeah, but, Monica, every single girlfriend I ever had,
you always throw shade, and you're like, oh, did you see how she did this?
Oh, look at this. Oh, look at her. This, this, this.
But we didn't have that issue.
So, remember that night when you said,
oh, you and Isabel have problems?
If this is an issue, you know, you said
And I got so upset.
The thing with your mom.
I'm like [bleep] her.
What, [bleep] you!
We will never speak again.
Never. Never!
Oh, okay.
Oh, okay, and then for the record, so this is what happened. Ready?
So it's 2.30 in the morning, we're at a bar.
Prior to, we're at a bar, bar closes down, right?
And then eventually it's like, hey, Gabe,
it's 2.30 a.m., like, your wedding is tomorrow,
I have a hair appointment at 8:00, I would like to go home.
You didn't even have to shut the party down,
but just please drive me eight minutes away
- and then get back. - So what happened is that once we were waiting
for Isabel to get there, right,
and then as soon as Isabel said, "Oh, I'm here now."
She's like, "I want to leave."
That's not, see, and that's not at all.
Yes, yes it is.
Gabe said, well, she just got here.
She's going to be, she's going to be so mad.
You're going to cause problems in my relationship.
And then that's when I made that comment.
And I said, if this "causes problems" in your relationship,
your issue is not me, it's your relationship.
That's where that comment came from.
My brother is telling me that I'm the reason for his downfall
and all his failed relationships.
- Does that not hurt? Like, am I, am I-- - I never said that
you're the reason for a failed relationship.
- You said that. - I said every relationship that I was in,
- you always have a problem with-- - You said,
what's the common denominator? What's the common denominator
in all my failed relationships? You.
- And I said, what? - No, I never said failed relationships.
- Yes, you did. - No, I didn't.
- Yes, you did. - Well, Isabel, do you accept that explanation?
Do you think that is a good reason for her
to have missed her brother's wedding?
I think that I'm having a hard time with this.
Like, if you're really upset about something that he said,
why not just be like, hey, you said this thing,
you really hurt me, I'd like to talk about it.
- Because Gabe doesn't like to talk. - No speak.
- First of all... - Which is why we're here.
The whole...
Okay.
[speaking in Spanish]
Monica, what was the role you were supposed to play
at the wedding?
- Any role. Any role, really. - But wait a minute,
didn't you guys have a role for her?
So in the end, we ended up saying that her and my mom
was going to walk me down both.
- Is that true, Monica? - I would love that.
No, did you guys decide that?
I don't know, because Gabe is a little secretive.
I didn't know their wedding colors.
I don't know. I don't know. Was that the role?
- That's a lie. You did? - I wanted to.
- Our mom had to tell me. - Okay, that's a lie.
I wouldn't have bought this dress.
I would have tried to be on point.
I wouldn't have bought this dress.
Oh, this is the wedding dress?
- Yeah. Yes, it is. - This is the wedding dress?
Yes, yes. I wouldn't have bought this dress.
I would have got a pink one.
Isabel, I wish that I knew I was offered a maid of honor,
bridesmaid, whatever, on your side.
- I would have loved that. - Wasn't this a discussion that was supposed
- to happen before? - No, I would have loved that.
So you're saying the day of the wedding,
you didn't know what your role was going to be in the wedding?
No.
How is that possible?
Because there's no communication.
I don't...
I was not told the mother made a dress for me.
I would have loved that.
- Gabe, did you... - He said he didn't know either,
that's what I'm saying. I thought that Monica was just gonna come in
whatever her dress did.
So is that a lack of communication,
Gabe, between you and Isabel?
Um...
yeah.
Okay.
- Gabe, we're gonna have you take your seat again. - Okay, sorry.
Monica, what's wrong?
[sniffles] No, I just, like...
Like, if I would've known that her mom made a dress
or she was planning on having me on her side,
It's just, like,
I wish I would've known that, like, you know?
'Cause I enjoyed her. We bonded.
I feel like you should get married again
and have, like, another wedding.
Seriously, and, like, go, because there's so much love here.
She's working on, like, a visa to visit my family
in the U.S., so we want to do another wedding there.
You would be the bridesmaid.
And I can wear the mom's dress?
- Oh, si. - [all cheering]
[Shaun] Monica, I really appreciate you coming here.
I know you were very apprehensive to have this conversation
with your brother, but I'm glad we finally got
all of this out in the open, and hopefully you two
can move forward in a positive direction.
Thank you. Thank you.
[all laughing]
That was not a good one, like this.
[all laughing]
Gabe and Isabel, congratulations again
on your wedding.
We wish you the best as you build a life together.
I cannot believe Monica did not go to this wedding.
I would never skip my brother's wedding, no matter what.
- Ever. - Like, or any other family member that I care about.
Yeah.
Monica was totally trying to, like, take over,
- steal their thunder. - I don't feel that way.
I really feel like Gabe kind of sucks it with communication.
- That's fine, but what does that have to - That seems to be the...
do with her not showing up to the wedding?
Well, again, because there was a miscommunication.
I mean, it's like they really love each other,
but they're, like, very competitive and headstrong.
Yes, she needed to not make it about herself,
suck it up, and be there for her brother.
I feel so much compassion for a lot of my castmates.
I feel like there's some real emotion to process.
And in terms of Rishi and I right now,
I'm feeling irritated and upset.
Today I had a lot coming at me
from Rishi's mom.
[speaking in Hindi]
So you're only accepting proposals that are six months
to a year within the age difference.
I mean, that's just...
I didn't think I was that disappointed,
but this tidal wave of emotion just hit me.
Oh, my God. I'm so sorry. [sobs]
Hearing his mom say over and over, like,
she's too old for you, she's too old for you, she's too old for you.
Uh-huh.
What? [bleep] you!
Like, you said it. Like, it's not nice.
You acknowledge it's not nice, yet you keep repeating it.
[sniffles]
Hey.
I'm calling you right now because I got
really emotional about something.
I mean, the thing with your mom,
she thinks that I'm too old, you know?
And I'm like, [bleep] her, okay?
Like, it's just so [bleep] hurtful.
Do you get that, how hurtful it is to me?
And I would like you to convey that to her,
and that if I ever hear her say that ever again,
we will never speak again.
Never. Never!
I would like you to convey that to her,
and that if I ever hear her say that ever again,
we will never speak again.
Never. Never!
[scoffs]
I don't know if this is a viable relationship
because that's your mom.
But you're not even willing, like, I feel like you should have had this conversation
with them before.
Like, please don't point out the fact that
she's older than me.
You know, could you just be kind?
[Rishi speaking]
[Jen sighs]
[Jen] I just need some time, like...
Let's talk about this later, okay?
[Jen] Okay.
You know what? [inhales]
This whole thing with his family
is making me second-guess
whether I can be in a relationship with Rishi.
[Nicole speaking]
- [Debbie] Yes! Yes! And he's upsetting her... - [Gabe] Are they on the phone?
- [Nicole exhales] - [Debbie] ...and they're making her feel bad.
You know, I wish I could get over there
and use these boots for something.
It's like, "Okay," you know,
- "Rishi, bring it on." - [Nicole] Yeah.
- Yeah, "Get it together." - You know, he's a coward,
- but if he was here, we'd make him man-up. - Mmm-hmm.
Do you think that relationship is gonna last?
- Like, do you see them getting married? - No. No, I hope not.
'Cause he says they're engaged, she says they're not, right?
- He has to be willing to go against what his parents want. - Yeah.
- Well, at least tell them. - And so, like... Yeah.
[Debbie] He's not man enough to stand up against his mother.
- [Daniele] And move out of his mother's house. - [Debbie] Right.
I'm not impressed with Rishi at all.
To me, he's got, like, a two-faced
and it's like he's not true to himself at all.
[Debbie] Okay.
Oh, lord, have mercy. It's do or die.
- [indistinct chatter] - [suspenseful music]
[man] And stand by.
Three, two, one.
[Shaun] Um, hey, guys, where's Jen?
Uh, she had a phone call with Rishi
and she was emotional
about the circumstances from before
- [Shaun] With his family? - Yeah.
Okay.
Rishi, can you hear me?
Yeah.
What happened?
Why is Jen upset right now?
Why was he crying?
Yeah, what made you cry?
Jen's back now.
- Hi, Jen. - Hi.
[exhales] Okay.
I heard things have been a little rough.
[Jen exhales]
[exhales] Um, yeah,
a little bit. [chuckles]
[Kris] This is the most emotion I've seen him so far.
Like, he... You can tell he's hurting because you're hurting.
[Jen exhales]
[Rishi crying]
I appreciate how empathetic Rishi is.
Like, that's a really good man.
[Jen exhales]
He can defy his mother in a tactful way...
- [Rishi crying] - [Debbie] ...and I hope he does.
[Rishi sighs]
Um, hey. I...
Babe, like, I know it's not your fault.
I know that
and I'm really sorry that, like,
it's making you so upset. [clears throat]
- [Rishi exhales] - It's okay.
Uh... [sighs]
[Jen] No.
- [Rishi sighs] - [Jen] I mean,
you weren't the person that said hurtful things, you know?
[Rishi sighs]
[Shaun] So, Jen, um,
obviously, I... This is the most emotional
that I have seen you two,
really, since the beginning of your story.
Where does the relationship stand?
[Jen exhales]
I don't know if this is, like,
something that we can get past.
I think Yohan is a gentleman,
and when you bring an ex into it,
it's insulting
because we don't bring guys
that we used to have "fun" with
and flaunt it in front of our husband.
That's disrespectful.
[Shaun] So, Jen, um,
where does the relationship stand?
I have no idea.
I don't know if this is, like,
something that we can get past.
I mean, it's, it's not really just about us anymore.
You know, like, I have enough to deal with
in my, with my own issues,
than to, like, marry into a family
that does not accept me, like, from the get-go.
[Rishi inhales, exhales]
Rishi, where do you see this relationship standing right now?
Uh... [exhales]
[Shaun] Okay.
[Rishi sighs]
Well, anybody could see how upsetting this has been
- for you two. - [Jen and Rishi sighing]
- [Shaun] And we're not sure... - Yeah.
[Shaun] ...how we're moving forward at this point.
- No. - [Shaun] Okay.
[Jen] I mean, there's just nothing that I can do
about what they don't like about me.
There's just...
[Shaun] All right, everybody, I think we need a break.
- Okay. I'm gonna get up. - [indistinct chatter]
I think they just need to accept
that this is a wrap, unfortunately.
Like, I feel for them, but, like, again, we all know
- that there's too many obstacles. - Yeah.
But what does a happy ending look like for them?
- [Veronica] A happy ending is... - Uh, ending amic-laby,
- amicable, how... What's the word? - [Veronica] Amicably.
- Because... - I don't think so.
A happy ending, for her at least,
- is they get married... - Hmm.
- ...they get their own apartment. - No, but that's fantasy.
- Right. - Like, come on. Because of the mom and the uncle,
I think, at this point, the best ending them
- is to not be... - [Veronica] Just be friends.
Don't push it to a point that you hate or resent each other.
Be friends and, like, I don't think that
there's any other happier ending than that.
- Not at this point. - Yeah.
Like, what's the issue?
When you leave here, are you gonna talk to him?
I genuinely love him,
but it's gotten to the point where I...
Marriage, like, I don't even know
- if that's a reasonable expectation. - [Gabe] Yeah.
But it's like, when are you gonna stop waiting?
Right! No, see,
- see how confusing the situation is? - [chuckling]
But here's the thing, I'm not letting opportunities pass me by.
- Mmm-hmm. - Do you know what I mean?
I think that's what you should do. You should, like...
- [Jen] Like, let's just say there was an opportunity... - Keep... Yeah.
...that may or may not have come up
and I may or may have not given my phone number to somebody
- that, you know... - Mmm-hmm.
- Could be a potential. - Yes.
Who'd you give your phone number to, Jen?
Hmm, well, it was somebody's son.
[Jen laughing]
You are so full of [bleep].
- You lucky you ain't here. - I...
- I love you. I just love you. - Wow. Okay.
[Jen inhales]
[Jen laughs]
So, like, what made you wanna give your number to him?
Like, what do you like about him?
- What's not to like about him? - [Gabe] Mmm.
[Jen] From the get-go, like, even just seeing him,
- the care that he shows for her. - [Gabe] Mmm-hmm.
- [Jen] I just felt his vibe. - Mmm-hmm.
He's an attractive guy.
He's my age. Like...
Or, you know, he's probably a couple years younger than me,
- but... - He has a career, too.
[Jen] Yes. Got a career.
Like, just seems like a legit...
Somebody that I could have a conversation with.
I think it's good that you're testing the waters
'cause I don't know if Rishi's the one for you.
Yeah, I do feel like,
to a certain extent, there is something to be said
for somebody that lives in the same country
and whose family doesn't already hate me.
- It's really tough. - Yeah.
[Shaun] Well, speaking of exes,
we brought Daniele's ex Taylen here today.
What's up, Yohan?
Any romantic feelings left?
[man] All right, lock it up. Quiet, please.
Final round.
Okay, I'm gonna pivot over now
to Daniele and Yohan.
After spending less than a month living together
in the Dominican Republic,
Daniele declared the relationship was done
due to problems with jealousy
and a lack of respect.
Let's see where they are today.
So, Daniele, on a scale of one to 10,
how happy is the marriage now?
[Yohan speaking Spanish]
Some days, it's a 20,
some days, it's like a negative-five.
- [Shaun] Ooo, okay. - [Daniele laughing]
[Daniele speaking]
[Shaun] Let me ask Yohan.
[Yohan speaking Spanish]
What seems to be the biggest issue today, Daniele?
I think that all of our issues
are rooted in communication.
I think that's our biggest problem.
Like, I think they manifest as money issues
or as jealousy issues or,
you know, as issues around other things,
but I think it's all about communication.
[Yohan speaking Spanish]
[Shaun] You don't trust Daniele
or Daniele doesn't trust you?
[Yohan speaking Spanish]
[Shaun] Mmm-hmm.
The last we saw you guys,
you were like, "I'm done.
I'm done. That's it."
What happened after that?
[all laughing]
[Daniele] I think one of the things that drives Yohan crazy
is that I'll say something, but I may not mean it. [laughing]
We're both very emotional and we
we get very passionate
when we feel things, and sometimes,
we say things that we don't really mean in the moment.
And then once we reflect and we think about the situation, I think
sometimes we can be a little bit more reasonable.
[Shaun] Okay, we're going to bring out
Tim and Veronica.
- I know they have a lot of thoughts to share... - [laughing]
...on Daniele and Yohan,
especially about how an ex has gotten
in the middle of their relationship.
Please welcome Tim and Veronica.
Hey, guys.
- [Tim] Hello. - [Veronica] Hi, everyone. Hi.
[Shaun] How are you?
- Good to see you. - [Tim] Good to see you guys.
[Veronica] Good to see you.
- [Shaun] Okay. - I'm so happy to see them.
[all laughing]
[Shaun] Why? Do you think they're team Daniele?
- I would hope that they're team Daniele. - [Shaun] All right.
Who knows? They might be team Yohan. [laughs]
Okay, so Tim and Veronica,
are you team Daniele or team Yohan?
- I'm team 'They're a good couple" and... - [woman] Yeah.
...just have some issues.
[Shaun] Okay. What do you think is the biggest issue
in their relationship? Both of them said,
uh, communication and trust issues.
How do you see it?
We had actually mentioned the same thing about
the communication before.
Because I don't think that either of you have
had, like, bad intentions.
[Tim] But I also feel like you've got two pretty headstrong people.
You know, that are opinionated and-- and neither one of them
are backing down with their beliefs. So it was actually...
- That was kind of a problem with us, right? - Yeah.
- Like, who-- who's gonna be the pant-wearer? - Mmm-hmm.
- [all laughing] - So um, you know, that obviously
can be an obstacle. I lost.
- [all laughing] - Uh, you know,
- but I put up a valiant effort. - [Veronica] This is true.
Well, every couple has occasional fights or disagreements.
But in Daniele and Yohan's case,
their time together was filled with everything
from minor arguments
to major blowups.
It has had them questioning
if they really were right for each other.
[Yohan speaking Spanish]
[Daniele speaking Spanish]
[Yohan speaking]
[Daniele speaking English] Yohan told me yesterday that
he thinks that my relationship with my ex,
Taylen, is more important than my relationship with him.
I'm hoping that once he sees how much
I'm willing to do to celebrate him,
that he understands that he's my first priority
and there's nothing that comes before him.
[all cheering and clapping]
[Yohan speaking]
- [Daniele speaking Spanish] - Ah.
[man speaking Spanish]
[Yohan speaking]
[woman speaking Spanish]
[speaking English] Excuse me.
[speaking Spanish]
[Yohan speaking]
How do you feel looking back at that?
[speaking English] That was heartbreaking.
That was really hard.
I think because it was the first time
I saw how cold he could be.
[sniffles] And...
I love his family so much
and I didn't want them to see that.
And I was really upset that
he humiliated me in front of his family
and I think I could never show face in front of them
the same way again.
[sniffles]
- And it's still kind of raw. - Yeah.
Yeah, I haven't really thought about it. I kinda blocked out.
[sniffles]
[Shaun] Yohan.
You see Daniele here very emotional.
I think a lot of people are wondering
why didn't you thank her
at the birthday party?
I don't think one thing has anything to do with the other.
You know, I feel like that was a separate issue.
We could've had that conversation any other day.
You know, it didn't need to be...
It didn't need to infiltrate the birthday party.
I feel like that was a separate thing.
I know I'm like him. If you told me that
the day before my birthday with a newer marriage,
that's ruining my birthday and I'm not gonna
be able to separate the two issues.
It is all I'm gonna be thinking about
because it's-- You're bringing stress into the relationship.
Because for you, it maybe normal that that's a friend.
But to him, he views it as a threat.
I agree. I think this was avoidable.
When you bring an ex into it,
an ex fun bunny guy...
- [laughs] - ...it's insulting.
- [Tim] Yeah. - [Debbie] It really is
because we don't bring guys that we used to have
"fun with" and no commitment with
and flaunt it in front of our husband
who we love, care and cherish.
But with Taylen coming in, that's disrespectful.
Your husband needs to be respected.
[Shaun] Oh, woah, okay,
so Debbie's getting applause from Yohan.
Yohan, Daniele says that you are very jealous.
Do you think you are a jealous person?
[Jen] I feel like Daniele can't catch a break here
because personally, I feel like I am that person
that's always like, "Oh, they're going out with their ex," or whatever.
But-- And I should be beyond that,
I'm old enough. Like, I need to have evolved
to be like, I need to trust the person.
If I can't trust 'em,
well, then why am I in the relationship to begin with?
Do you know what I mean? I mean,
- I also feel... - [Veronica] Yeah, but I don't
- necessarily think it's-- - [Gabriel] But it's a new situation for them.
- This is the first of that problem. - [Veronica] Yeah.
- And I don't know that it's trust. - [Jen] A new marriage.
Jealousy and trust are-- are different.
So maybe he trusts her, but it's still...
He's still jealous.
- [Shaun] He feels it's disrespectful. - [Tim] Because of the respect.
- [Shaun] Exactly, it was just disrespectful. - [Tim] Exactly, the respect.
Daniele, just to flip script, I'm just curious.
It's your birthday. He tells you,
"My ex is in town and I wanna have
dinner with her, but you're invited."
[Daniele] I would invite her to my birthday party.
I'll be like, "I wanna meet this bitch."
Like, uh, that's--
I'm a completely different person.
[Gabriel] I feel like she's telling the truth.
- [Veronica] Yeah. - [laughs]
[Daniele] I'm-- I'm, like, completely different.
[laughs] I'm a different breed.
You know, like, invite her over. I'd love to meet her.
I got a lot of questions.
The only, like, people that I've ever met
in Yohan's life are, like, two friends that I met once.
And I don't know anybody else.
So like, I don't know anything about his exes,
I don't know anything about his life before me.
It's almost like he was dropped from the sky
and placed in front of me.
So I'm very different in that
I wanna meet all the people, I wanna know about you.
So that's kind of why I approach my life that way too.
And no one else is a threat to me
'cause no one else is me. Like if--
[Veronica] So you're acknowledging how unique you are.
So wouldn't you think that you'd already go into it
assuming that no one else is gonna be this way,
and certainly not your husband?
[Daniele] I mean, he knew I was that way when he met me.
In the beginning, I think Yohan was just like,
"Yeah, yeah, yeah, I trust you.
We need to work on communication."
And then as the relationship progressed, he kinda
dug his heels in a little bit more about a lot of things, not just this.
So,
I don't want to pretend that I'm something that I'm not.
You know, like, either you love me and you trust me,
or you're never gonna be happy in this relationship with me
because I live in the world. Like, I don't,
you know, keep to myself. I have a big circle.
- You know, it's just-- - But he said he loves you
and he said he trusted you.
What he said is that it hurt him.
- [Daniele] Yeah. - [Veronica] Right, so that's different.
[Tim] If you said like, "Hey,
I'm inviting you to come but if you don't want me to go,
then we just won't go." But it was never
given to him as an option
of it just not happening, period.
- It was either you come with me or I go alone. - Yeah.
[Tim] What if he just wasn't comfortable with that?
[Daniele] I think that that would
be really dangerous for our relationship because--
To-- For him to not wanna have a--
a hangout session with the last guy you were sleeping with?
I mean for him to decide that
who my friends can be, yeah, that would be a problem for me.
It almost seems like your wife is property
- and I should have a say over what she does. - I think you should have
some say on what your husband does.
- Like, that's part of a marriage. - [Gabriel] Yeah.
- [Veronica] Yeah. - [Gabriel] It's like, it's both ways
'cause you tell him what to do all the time.
And he just told you, like, this one thing he didn't want you to do.
Isabel, would it be okay
if Gabe...
[all laughing]
...met up with a former love
and went to see that person without you?
[speaking Spanish]
[all laughing]
No.
It's kinda like a sacrifice, like, when you married him,
you gotta sacrifice some things.
Not like all your friends but it's like,
maybe I won't hang out with friends that I had sex with.
[Isabel speaking]
[speaking Spanish]
[speaking English] I think it's a respect issue.
It's not him controlling you.
But Tim and Veronica, you guys are exes
and hang out all the time.
[laughs]
[Veronica] We do, we do,
but-- And I will say, first of all,
we deal with all kinds of drama for it.
And we've both had situations where we've made plans
and we've had to call each other and be like, "Hey, look,
I told my boyfriend, I told my girlfriend.
They're not comfortable with it. And we--
- I have to prioritize my partner right now." - Absolutely, yeah.
[Veronica] Um, we also didn't talk to each other for a year.
- After we broke up. - After we broke up.
- Yeah. - Right? So like,
I think it's a little different.
[Tim] Because again, it's-- You have to have boundaries.
Like, and-- and we know all about boundaries,
- don't we, Veronica? - Yes, we do.
[Shaun] Well, speaking of exes, we brought
Daniele's ex, Taylen, here today to hear his thoughts.
[bleep]
Please welcome Taylen.
[Taylen] What's up, everybody?
- [Shaun] Hi, there. - [woman] Hi.
[Taylen] Hi, how's it going?
- [woman laughs] - [Shaun] How are you?
[Taylen] I'm doing good. How you doing?
- [woman laughs] - [Shaun] Great. Your ears must have been ringing.
- I heard a few things back there. - [Shaun] Yeah. Yeah.
- [woman laughs] - Your name has been out here, uh, for quite a while.
So, Taylen.
You messed up Yohan's birthday party.
[all laugh]
I wasn't aware it was his birthday.
[Shaun] Yes, yes, yes.
What's up, Yohan?
Taylen, how would you describe your friendship with Daniele?
Regular friendship.
Uh, we definitely don't talk nearly as much obviously now.
Um, but it's still someone I can go to when I, you know, have questions,
and just need someone to talk to in general, so...
- Yeah. - [Shaun] Mmm-hmm.
Any romantic feelings left?
- No. - [Shaun] None?
Those days are past.
[Shaun] Yohan, how do you feel about Taylen
being in the same city and the same studio
with Daniele?
[in Spanish]
[sighs]
- [Gabriel] Whoa. - [Debbie] Oh, no, no, no.
[Yohan speaking]
- [Daniele speaking] - [Yohan speaking]
So, it's not hanging on a wall.
[Daniele] No! I don't have, like, Taylen when you walk in.
It's, like, in a drawer with all my other pictures from my life.
I have every photo that has ever been taken in my life
since I'm in first grade.
But he just said he thinks you're still
- interested in him. - [Daniele scoffs]
[sighs]
I will 100% acknowledge
and apologize for any hurt that I cause my husband.
I love him so much and I never ever want to hurt him.
But, you know, the most important thing to me is that
Yohan understands that it doesn't matter who I've had sex with
'cause he is my husband and he is the person I wanna be with.
And no one else is a threat to that,
and I want him to feel secure in that.
No.
[Shaun] All right. I wanna go back now and see what originally caused
the hostility between Yohan and Taylen.
Let's take a look.
- Hi! - [Taylen] Daniele!
[Daniele] How are you?
- It's good to see you. - [Daniele] You too.
[Taylen] So am I gonna get to meet Yohan?
He's, like, not thrilled about the idea that I'm sitting down with,
you know, someone that I had a relationship with in the past.
I'm surprised you can even be with someone like that knowing you.
As soon as I made the decision that I was moving here
and I got off that [bleep] plane,
he was like a completely different person.
[Taylen] Being around someone that's older and more mature,
think it's gonna be huge for him.
He's not as open.
[Taylen] Me and Daniele's relationship started as a friendship.
Obviously it turned into a sexual thing.
She's by far the most mature woman I've ever been with.
I'm not sure if Yohan is the right guy for Daniele.
[Daniele in Spanish]
[Yohan speaking]
[Daniele speaking]
[Yohan speaking]
[in English] That's not saying that you're a child. It says that--
I wasn't making fun of you.
I was asked a question about my relationship
and I answered honestly.
[Yohan speaking]
So, I think that...
[sighs] I don't even know how to respond to this. Like, I have to--
[Daniele] I think that...
you know, I understand that Yohan is upset about the situation.
I understand that he's upset about Taylen.
I don't know what I can do to make that better
'cause I can't change the past, so...
- [Gabriel] Whoa. - [Debbie] Oh, no, no, no.
If I don't control a thing, it doesn't get done.
That's my experience with Yohan.
I don't pay the rent, the rent isn't getting paid.
Not gonna lie, that's messed up.
I don't like that [bleep] at all.
[Yohan speaking]
- [Gabriel] Whoa. - [Debbie] Oh, no, no, no.
- [Gabriel] I think he's overreacting a little bit. - [Debbie] Right.
- This relationship can be fixed. - [Gabriel] That's--
The fact that he saw Taylen walk in this room is why he's responding that way.
[Yohan speaking]
Oh, please, please. Rethink this.
It's fixable.
[scoffs softly]
[Gabriel in Spanish]
[in English] Mmm. No.
He cares. He cares.
He keeps saying, like, "Play with fire, you're gonna get caught.
Oh, you're gonna see. You're gonna find out."
Not gonna lie, that's messed up.
I don't like that [bleep] at all.
[Yohan speaking]
[Gabriel] I feel like this is, like, a power struggle
because Daniele's very, you know, she's in control.
She-- she runs [bleep].
And he's kind of like, you know, under her thumb a little bit.
So he's using this to control the situation with her.
'Cause this is the only thing that he has over her right now.
Daniele, how are you feeling right now?
It just feels ridiculous, like...
I-- I hear what Gabe is saying,
I feel like that's very valid.
And I'm also willing to relinquish all control of all things.
Like, at any time I will give up all control over all things.
Have you said that to him before?
I think that I've always asked him to be an equal partner.
- You know, I've always asked him-- - But that's not--
That's not you giving up control.
There's a difference between equal partners and being submissive.
If I don't control a thing, it doesn't get done.
That's my experience with Yohan.
I don't want to do all the things.
I would love for him to take control over some things.
But if I'm not home right now,
I don't pay the rent, the rent isn't getting paid.
[Isabel in Spanish]
Is he really serious? [laughs]
[speaking in Spanish]
- [in English] Danielle, is that true? Do you guys... - No.
- [Shaun] ...split things 50/50? - No.
- The... The... - [in English] Okay.
No.
No, we don't split everything 50/50.
I think he wants to appear like he has power in a situation
because he feels humiliated.
I feel like I have no idea who I'm gonna get when I walk off this stage.
You know.
He's never really learned how to have a healthy relationship,
so it's, like, I have to either be unbelievably patient
and just not let myself get impacted by it, or I have to leave him.
Yohan, where do you feel
your relationship with Danielle stands right now?
[speaking in Spanish]
Do you think it can get back up to a 10?
[speaking in Spanish]
I think that there's a lot of other things that are going on here.
I don't think it's just about Talan.
So I think he needs to be willing to go to therapy with me
so that we can figure out what the root of our issues are
so we don't have the same problem again.
Yeah.
[speaking in Spanish]
[Shaun] Talan, after listening to this conversation
that has brought Danielle to tears,
do you feel that Yohan is the right man for her?
Every relationship has their issues, and, like,
Danielle has every right to have friends still,
whether they're male or female.
So I think Yohan just has to get over that.
I feel like it's more on his end now than it is on her end.
[Shaun] All right. Talan, thank you so much for joining us.
No problem. Thank you.
- We appreciate your honesty. - Yeah, for sure.
[sighs]
[Shaun] Tim and Veronica, thank you for giving us your perspectives
and insight today.
- [Veronica] All right, Shaun. Thanks so much. - [Tim] All right.
[Shaun] Well, Danielle and Yohan,
there have been a lot of hurdles in your relationship,
and we hope you can work them out.
[sighs] Me too.
And with that, I wanna thank all of you for opening up to us
here on 90 Day Fiance: The Other Way, the couples tell-all.
It has been a pleasure watching each and every one of your journeys.
I'm Shaun Robinson, and I'll see you next time.
Cast, this is a wrap. Thank you so much. Great job, everyone.
- [woman] Oh, my gosh. - [Shaun] Wonderful job.
- Thank you. - Oh, my gosh.
90 Day Fiance tell-all.
[woman] Wow.
I don't think that this relationship is really over,
but I also never have any idea how he's gonna respond.
I'm always gonna fight for my marriage.
Like, I love my husband very much.
Like, we're both very emotional.
We both say things we don't mean when we're angry.
And we both need to work on that.
But we're both coming into this relationship with so much trauma
that we need someone to help us work through it,
and I'm hoping that I can convince him to consider therapy.
Oh, girl, good luck.
Thank you so much. I appreciate you.
[man] All right. It was nice to meet you, and good luck.
- Good luck to you. - Thank you.
- [man] All right. - Bye.
Bye.
Knock, knock, knock.
- Number three. - Come in.
- Oh, okay. - Oh, you're taking off?
- Yeah. - My gosh.
- See you later. - I love you.
[Gabriel] We all got problems.
Sometimes, when you get into kerfuffles,
you end up solving problems.
Me and Isabel, at the end of the day, we love each other.
I just wanna continue to elevate our relationship.
You know, know more about each other,
and maybe we'll be in the US one day.
Maybe. I don't know. To visit.
[Jeymi speaking in Spanish]
Everything about today was hard.
Having to see Jeymi, of course, is miserable.
I was definitely judged by castmates today,
but she plays a good victim, and she always has.
I will never talk to Jeymi again. [sniffs]
- Jen. - Oh, Debbie!
- Oh! - It was such a pleasure. Oh, my gosh.
- Oh, you were so good. - You're an inspiration, seriously.
I don't regret having fallen in love with him.
I don't regret having allowed myself to be vulnerable.
[laughs] And allowed myself to be in love and be loved.
Even if it, you know, doesn't work out...
[sighs]
...for whatever reason, I fell for him, and I don't regret it.
After all this, this leaves me only with I love him, and he loves me.
That is the only thing I know right now.
- Debbie! Okay. - Bye.
Get home safely, and I hope to talk to you soon.
Seeing Oussama was really strange.
He looked almost like a corpse or a mugshot.
What happened to my Mr. Strange Wonderful?
Oh, it's like he wasn't there.
I want him to have a better life,
and if that life is without Miss Debbie, so be it.
I didn't close the door to Oussama,
even though Julian and Sandy want that door shut, locked, bolted, and you name it.
I'm a very loyal person, and Oussama was my best friend
in my darkest time.
And for that, yeah, you know, I can forgive a lot.
But Miss Debbie's not stupid.
He would have to do some big things
to bring Miss Debbie back to Morocco.
The takeaway here is that it is insanely difficult
to break free from traditions. They're so strong on these men.
And we have to have some patience, right,
but then again, not excuse it.
Like, it can't be excused because we're all...
You know what? We're all human.
And we are... If they say we're all one or whatever,
then let's try it, let's move in that direction.
I have decided that from here on out,
I'm no longer going to enable Mahmoud's insecurity
because he's an amazing human.
Like, he really is.
But I'm hoping that I'm actually clear-headed and strong enough
to just, like, push past, like, the fear or the hesitation
of saying what needs to be said
and just, like, "No, this is the way it is,
and I can't care what you think about that."
We have to create our own culture as a couple in order to move forward,
and that's what my whole goal is this year,
and especially when he gets here, to the US.