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Jake "The Snake" Roberts is one
of the most authentic personalities

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Jake "The Snake" Roberts is one
of the most authentic personalities

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the wrestling world has ever seen.

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the wrestling world has ever seen.

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I'll drop you so fast with that DDT,
your whole family'll fall down.

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I'll drop you so fast with that DDT,
your whole family'll fall down.

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He's done it!

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He's done it!

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Behind his raw intensity lies
a depth of personal trauma,

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Behind his raw intensity lies
a depth of personal trauma,

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which has shaped his
iconic in-ring persona.

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which has shaped his
iconic in-ring persona.

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How could anything that
looks so hot be so cold?

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How could anything that
looks so hot be so cold?

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Well, it's easy, you see,
time has done that to me.

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Well, it's easy, you see,
time has done that to me.

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Unknown to fans for years, wrestlers
Sam Houston and Rockin' Robin

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Unknown to fans for years, wrestlers
Sam Houston and Rockin' Robin

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are Jake "The Snake"s' real life
brother and sister.

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are Jake "The Snake"s' real life
brother and sister.

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Each followed in the footsteps
of their father,

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Each followed in the footsteps
of their father,

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wrestling giant, Grizzly Smith.

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wrestling giant, Grizzly Smith.

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The control that Grizz had
over his kids, he could pit 'em

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The control that Grizz had
over his kids, he could pit 'em

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all against each other because he
was a master of everything.

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all against each other because he
was a master of everything.

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He was a puppeteer.

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He was a puppeteer.

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Scarred by traumatic childhoods,
the Smith children followed

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Scarred by traumatic childhoods,
the Smith children followed

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self-destructive paths,
and each battled addictions that

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self-destructive paths,
and each battled addictions that

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nearly destroyed their lives.

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nearly destroyed their lives.

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You know how hard it is to put
a smile on your face when you know

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You know how hard it is to put
a smile on your face when you know

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what a piece of shit you really are?

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what a piece of shit you really are?

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I'd been to prison two days
and I tried to hang myself.

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I'd been to prison two days
and I tried to hang myself.

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It's the very, very young girls,
that seems to be the trigger.

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It's the very, very young girls,
that seems to be the trigger.

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And, I was scared of him,
just totally scared of him.

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And, I was scared of him,
just totally scared of him.

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This is Jo Lynn here.

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This is Jo Lynn here.

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Without a body, they
can't file murder.

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Without a body, they
can't file murder.

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Decades later, the Smith family
finally face their haunted past

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Decades later, the Smith family
finally face their haunted past

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in order to survive beyond the ring.

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in order to survive beyond the ring.

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Lies have consequences.

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Lies have consequences.

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If you want to feel pain,
then you have to go from the top

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If you want to feel pain,
then you have to go from the top

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and get knocked to the bottom.

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and get knocked to the bottom.

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That's when you feel real pain.

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That's when you feel real pain.

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None of us wants to talk
about what happened.

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None of us wants to talk
about what happened.

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It's too painful.

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It's too painful.

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There's just too damn much...

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There's just too damn much...

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That gets drug out.

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That gets drug out.

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There was just no relationship.

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There was just no relationship.

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There was no pat each
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There was no pat each
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There was no, "I'm happy for you."

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There was no, "I'm happy for you."

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You would've never thought
we were brothers and sisters,

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You would've never thought
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that's for sure.

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that's for sure.

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'Cause we were always that way.

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'Cause we were always that way.

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We had just been kind
of raised at a distance.

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We had just been kind
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Since the formulation
of professional wrestling

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Since the formulation
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as an organised sport,
it's been a family business to a lot

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as an organised sport,
it's been a family business to a lot

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of the participants.

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of the participants.

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There's been a lot of well-known
wrestling families,

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There's been a lot of well-known
wrestling families,

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like the Hart family from Calgary,
the Von Erich's from Texas.

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like the Hart family from Calgary,
the Von Erich's from Texas.

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You could trust family members
with the business secrets

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You could trust family members
with the business secrets

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and the secrets in the ring
because they were your blood.

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and the secrets in the ring
because they were your blood.

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And also, they had a vested interest
in the success of the industry

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And also, they had a vested interest
in the success of the industry

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because it was their
livelihood as well.

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because it was their
livelihood as well.

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I'm Jim Cornette.

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I'm Jim Cornette.

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For over 40 years, I've been a part
of professional wrestler

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For over 40 years, I've been a part
of professional wrestler

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as an announcer, manager, promoter.

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as an announcer, manager, promoter.

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{\an8}But also, I've been a student
of professional wrestling history

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{\an8}But also, I've been a student
of professional wrestling history

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{\an8}for over 50 years.

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{\an8}for over 50 years.

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Even though the Smith
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Even though the Smith
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the people inside the industry knew
that, but to the fans,

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the people inside the industry knew
that, but to the fans,

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Jake Roberts, Sam Houston,
Rockin' Robin, Grizzly Smith,

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Jake Roberts, Sam Houston,
Rockin' Robin, Grizzly Smith,

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were all different people.

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were all different people.

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There was no knowledge, publicly,
that they were related.

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There was no knowledge, publicly,
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You know, in all honesty,
Sam Houston was the best in-ring

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You know, in all honesty,
Sam Houston was the best in-ring

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performer of the entire family.

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performer of the entire family.

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My name's Michael Smith,
aka, Sam Houston.

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My name's Michael Smith,
aka, Sam Houston.

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How I fit into the Smith
family, I'm one of 'em.

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How I fit into the Smith
family, I'm one of 'em.

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{\an8}Depending on who you look at,
I mean, I'm somebody's father,

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{\an8}Depending on who you look at,
I mean, I'm somebody's father,

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{\an8}I'm somebody's son,
I'm somebody's brother.

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{\an8}I'm somebody's son,
I'm somebody's brother.

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Through our family, first,
Jake's the oldest, then Richard,

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Through our family, first,
Jake's the oldest, then Richard,

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then myself, and then Robin.

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then myself, and then Robin.

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Robin's one of the best
women's world champions,

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Robin's one of the best
women's world champions,

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you know, ever to
come down the line.

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you know, ever to
come down the line.

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And, she's my sister.

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And, she's my sister.

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It's an honour for me to say that.

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It's an honour for me to say that.

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Wah!

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Wah!

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- Oh! The bulldog!

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- Oh! The bulldog!

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{\an8}Many years ago, Rockin' Robin.

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{\an8}Many years ago, Rockin' Robin.

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Rockin' Robin!

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Rockin' Robin!

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Actually, it was just
kind of a lazy thing.

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Actually, it was just
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One of my first matches,

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One of my first matches,

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they said, "What do you want to be
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they said, "What do you want to be
announced as?"

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And I just said,
"OK, Rockin' Robin."

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And I just said,
"OK, Rockin' Robin."

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I think I would have liked to have
tried out Rotten Robin.

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I think I would have liked to have
tried out Rotten Robin.

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I think that would have been fun.

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I think that would have been fun.

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I'm Robin Smith.

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I'm Robin Smith.

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And, for the Smith family,

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And, for the Smith family,

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I am the sister of Jake "The Snake"
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I am the sister of Jake "The Snake"
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and then I have another brother

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and then I have another brother

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that a lot of people don't
know about, Richard.

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that a lot of people don't
know about, Richard.

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{\an8}My name's Richard Nabors,
and Aurelian Smith is my father.

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{\an8}My name's Richard Nabors,
and Aurelian Smith is my father.

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And Jake Roberts is my brother.

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And Jake Roberts is my brother.

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Sam Houston is my brother.

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Sam Houston is my brother.

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Robin Smith is my sister.

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Robin Smith is my sister.

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{\an8}It's Jake.

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{\an8}It's Jake.

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This is Jake and myself.

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This is Jake and myself.

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Jake "The Snake" Roberts
is his wrestling name.

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Jake "The Snake" Roberts
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When he was growing up in high
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When he was growing up in high
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my grandmother called him Buster.

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my grandmother called him Buster.

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That was his nickname.

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That was his nickname.

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That kind of stuck with him
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That kind of stuck with him
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but Jake's what he wrestles by
and what he goes by.

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but Jake's what he wrestles by
and what he goes by.

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I didn't want to travel like that.

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I didn't want to travel like that.

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It's not a lifestyle.

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It's not a lifestyle.

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But Jake likes attention.

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But Jake likes attention.

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He likes all the stardom
being on him.

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He likes all the stardom
being on him.

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Please welcome Jake
"The Snake" Roberts.

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Please welcome Jake
"The Snake" Roberts.

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When he walks in the room, I mean,
it's like, you know,

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When he walks in the room, I mean,
it's like, you know,

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he wants it all to be there.

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he wants it all to be there.

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And that's from being
in the ring so many years.

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And that's from being
in the ring so many years.

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That's from being in that business.

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That's from being in that business.

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It's just a rat race.

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It's just a rat race.

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It wasn't me.

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It wasn't me.

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Jake Roberts, as a wrestler,
had strengths and had weaknesses.

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Jake Roberts, as a wrestler,
had strengths and had weaknesses.

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Jake Roberts was never a high
level amateur athlete.

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Jake Roberts was never a high
level amateur athlete.

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He didn't have a
ridiculous physique.

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He didn't have a
ridiculous physique.

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But what Jake knew and understood

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But what Jake knew and understood

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was the, the mental aspect of pro
wrestling, the psychology of it.

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was the, the mental aspect of pro
wrestling, the psychology of it.

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By growing up with a father
in a wrestling and by learning how

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By growing up with a father
in a wrestling and by learning how

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to think of it, and he had
the verbal ability.

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to think of it, and he had
the verbal ability.

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Don't come calling me
a sicko because, brother,

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Don't come calling me
a sicko because, brother,

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if you look at yourself
in the mirror

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if you look at yourself
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I think you'll find out one thing...

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I think you'll find out one thing...

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You're no different than me,
if you tell yourself the truth.

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You're no different than me,
if you tell yourself the truth.

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Jake "The Snake" Roberts,
once he fully developed that persona,

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Jake "The Snake" Roberts,
once he fully developed that persona,

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was able to make you believe that he
really was a snake in the grass.

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was able to make you believe that he
really was a snake in the grass.

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And there was probably
some truth to it.

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And there was probably
some truth to it.

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He was kind of dad's
shadow, in a way, I think.

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He was kind of dad's
shadow, in a way, I think.

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He, he spent as much time
as he could with dad and,

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He, he spent as much time
as he could with dad and,

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maybe, I guess, learning
the ropes, you know.

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maybe, I guess, learning
the ropes, you know.

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That's...

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That's...

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Dad and Jake.

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Dad and Jake.

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Jake "The Snake" Roberts here.

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Jake "The Snake" Roberts here.

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{\an8}Real name is Aurelian Smith Jr.

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{\an8}Real name is Aurelian Smith Jr.

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{\an8}Now you know why we went
Jake "The Snake".

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{\an8}Now you know why we went
Jake "The Snake".

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He didn't want me
in wrestling, period.

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He didn't want me
in wrestling, period.

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In fact, he got me fired a couple
of places,

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In fact, he got me fired a couple
of places,

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asked the promoters to fire me.

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asked the promoters to fire me.

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To get me out.

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To get me out.

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I got humiliated, I got
stretched, I got tore up.

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I got humiliated, I got
stretched, I got tore up.

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Basically, crawled back
to the locker room and,

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Basically, crawled back
to the locker room and,

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my father looked at me and said,
"I'm ashamed of you.

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my father looked at me and said,
"I'm ashamed of you.

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You're gutless and you'll never
amount to anything."

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You're gutless and you'll never
amount to anything."

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Exactly what I wanted to hear.

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Exactly what I wanted to hear.

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That was my whole drive.

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That was my whole drive.

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I got into wrestling
because I hated my father.

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I got into wrestling
because I hated my father.

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And that was gonna break
it off in his ass.

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And that was gonna break
it off in his ass.

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I wanted to hear my father say,
"I'm proud of you, son.

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I wanted to hear my father say,
"I'm proud of you, son.

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I'm really proud of you."

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I'm really proud of you."

295
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You know, he never told me that.

296
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You know, he never told me that.

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He'd tell other wrestlers
he was proud of 'em,

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He'd tell other wrestlers
he was proud of 'em,

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but he wouldn't tell me.

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but he wouldn't tell me.

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Never.

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Never.

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And that was my drive.

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And that was my drive.

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He had worked in the oil fields.

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He had worked in the oil fields.

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He had met someone that had...

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He had met someone that had...

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Knew about wrestling
or was involved in wrestling and,

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Knew about wrestling
or was involved in wrestling and,

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you know, saw this big,
humongous dude, you know...

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you know, saw this big,
humongous dude, you know...

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And said, "You'd probably be good."

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And said, "You'd probably be good."

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He would line up on Friday afternoon

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He would line up on Friday afternoon

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where they all got paid outside
the railroad yard.

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where they all got paid outside
the railroad yard.

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And he would stand
up against the wall.

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And he would stand
up against the wall.

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And the guys would pay
him 25 to 50 cents.

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And the guys would pay
him 25 to 50 cents.

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They would pay him if they could
just draw back and hit him

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They would pay him if they could
just draw back and hit him

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in the stomach as hard
as they could

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in the stomach as hard
as they could

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because it was a bet
to try to make him double over.

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because it was a bet
to try to make him double over.

329
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He would make more money that
afternoon, in an hour's time,

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He would make more money that
afternoon, in an hour's time,

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than he would the whole week.

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than he would the whole week.

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So, then he got the wild hair
and he wanted to get into wrestling.

334
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So, then he got the wild hair
and he wanted to get into wrestling.

335
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He was 7-foot tall.

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He was 7-foot tall.

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About 350 pounds.

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About 350 pounds.

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Long red hair, big beard.

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Long red hair, big beard.

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He looked like he just walked
right out of the woods.

342
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He looked like he just walked
right out of the woods.

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He wore a pair of blue
jeans and had a rope.

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He wore a pair of blue
jeans and had a rope.

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This sash cord, that's
what he called-- that was his belt.

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This sash cord, that's
what he called-- that was his belt.

347
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If he could ever get a hold of
somebody

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If he could ever get a hold of
somebody

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and wrap his arms around 'em,
then that was it.

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and wrap his arms around 'em,
then that was it.

351
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Wow, how'd it make me feel?

352
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Wow, how'd it make me feel?

353
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Well, I was honoured.
I mean, Superman was my dad.

354
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Well, I was honoured.
I mean, Superman was my dad.

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He's the main event.

356
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He's the main event.

357
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He, you know, he's the biggest thing
on the card, and he really

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He, you know, he's the biggest thing
on the card, and he really

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was the biggest thing on the card.

360
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was the biggest thing on the card.

361
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I used to get really freaked out
when we'd go to the matches.

362
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I used to get really freaked out
when we'd go to the matches.

363
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And I'd be inside the
matches, watching him.

364
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And I'd be inside the
matches, watching him.

365
00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:02,000
He'd get his head busted open or,
you know, scratched.

366
00:09:02,042 --> 00:09:04,461
He'd get his head busted open or,
you know, scratched.

367
00:09:04,502 --> 00:09:04,502
And he'd go to bleeding and stuff.

368
00:09:04,544 --> 00:09:06,463
And he'd go to bleeding and stuff.

369
00:09:06,504 --> 00:09:06,504
I'm six, seven, eight years
old and I'm totally flipped.

370
00:09:06,546 --> 00:09:09,799
I'm six, seven, eight years
old and I'm totally flipped.

371
00:09:09,841 --> 00:09:09,841
So, then he'd get out of the ring
and I'd go back to the back with him

372
00:09:09,883 --> 00:09:12,385
So, then he'd get out of the ring
and I'd go back to the back with him

373
00:09:12,427 --> 00:09:12,427
and I'd be crying my eyes out,

374
00:09:12,469 --> 00:09:13,428
and I'd be crying my eyes out,

375
00:09:13,470 --> 00:09:13,470
and he'd go back there
and he'd sit down.

376
00:09:13,511 --> 00:09:14,804
and he'd go back there
and he'd sit down.

377
00:09:14,846 --> 00:09:14,846
And the doctor looked
at him and said, "Grizzly,

378
00:09:14,888 --> 00:09:17,057
And the doctor looked
at him and said, "Grizzly,

379
00:09:17,098 --> 00:09:17,098
I told you I can't do anything else
with your head," because the skin,

380
00:09:17,140 --> 00:09:19,726
I told you I can't do anything else
with your head," because the skin,

381
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the tissue was tore up so bad.

382
00:09:19,809 --> 00:09:21,436
the tissue was tore up so bad.

383
00:09:21,478 --> 00:09:21,478
They'd take it, clean him up,
and put a butterfly Band-Aid on it.

384
00:09:21,519 --> 00:09:24,272
They'd take it, clean him up,
and put a butterfly Band-Aid on it.

385
00:09:24,314 --> 00:09:24,314
"OK, see you tomorrow night."

386
00:09:24,355 --> 00:09:25,940
"OK, see you tomorrow night."

387
00:09:25,982 --> 00:09:25,982
You know, and then he would travel
to the next town,

388
00:09:26,024 --> 00:09:27,901
You know, and then he would travel
to the next town,

389
00:09:27,942 --> 00:09:27,942
and it was just an ongoing thing.

390
00:09:27,984 --> 00:09:30,153
and it was just an ongoing thing.

391
00:09:30,195 --> 00:09:30,195
You know, I used to think
when I was a kid, I said,

392
00:09:30,236 --> 00:09:32,363
You know, I used to think
when I was a kid, I said,

393
00:09:32,405 --> 00:09:32,405
why does he want to do that?

394
00:09:32,447 --> 00:09:34,032
why does he want to do that?

395
00:09:34,074 --> 00:09:34,074
And he'd tell me, "Son,
I gotta make a living."

396
00:09:34,115 --> 00:09:36,326
And he'd tell me, "Son,
I gotta make a living."

397
00:09:36,367 --> 00:09:36,367
I think one of the things that has
helped me to understand life

398
00:09:36,409 --> 00:09:39,037
I think one of the things that has
helped me to understand life

399
00:09:39,079 --> 00:09:39,079
and to enjoy life as much as I do...

400
00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:42,332
and to enjoy life as much as I do...

401
00:09:42,373 --> 00:09:42,373
Is my father.

402
00:09:42,415 --> 00:09:44,918
Is my father.

403
00:09:44,959 --> 00:09:44,959
He would give you a whipping
for lying to him.

404
00:09:45,001 --> 00:09:48,797
He would give you a whipping
for lying to him.

405
00:09:48,838 --> 00:09:48,838
He'd give you a whipping whenever
he thought you needed it.

406
00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:53,009
He'd give you a whipping whenever
he thought you needed it.

407
00:09:53,051 --> 00:09:53,051
He'd give you a whipping
for making a mistake.

408
00:09:53,093 --> 00:09:55,470
He'd give you a whipping
for making a mistake.

409
00:09:57,430 --> 00:09:57,430
My father was a mean man.

410
00:09:57,472 --> 00:09:59,516
My father was a mean man.

411
00:09:59,557 --> 00:09:59,557
Mean in the way that he tortured
us, psychologically.

412
00:09:59,599 --> 00:10:03,770
Mean in the way that he tortured
us, psychologically.

413
00:10:03,812 --> 00:10:03,812
He would play the angle out at home.

414
00:10:03,853 --> 00:10:07,565
He would play the angle out at home.

415
00:10:07,607 --> 00:10:07,607
His injuries, his feeling
of the upcoming match.

416
00:10:07,649 --> 00:10:12,070
His injuries, his feeling
of the upcoming match.

417
00:10:12,112 --> 00:10:12,112
How dangerous this match
was gonna be with those guys.

418
00:10:12,153 --> 00:10:15,657
How dangerous this match
was gonna be with those guys.

419
00:10:15,698 --> 00:10:15,698
And, you know, I look back now

420
00:10:15,740 --> 00:10:17,283
And, you know, I look back now

421
00:10:17,325 --> 00:10:17,325
and I say, why didn't
I figure it out?

422
00:10:17,367 --> 00:10:19,786
and I say, why didn't
I figure it out?

423
00:10:19,828 --> 00:10:19,828
You know, they kept showing up
in the same territory

424
00:10:19,869 --> 00:10:21,621
You know, they kept showing up
in the same territory

425
00:10:21,663 --> 00:10:21,663
my dad would go to, every damn time.

426
00:10:21,704 --> 00:10:23,498
my dad would go to, every damn time.

427
00:10:23,540 --> 00:10:23,540
What the hell?

428
00:10:23,581 --> 00:10:25,125
What the hell?

429
00:10:25,166 --> 00:10:25,166
These guys are chasing my father
down and they're gonna kill him!

430
00:10:25,208 --> 00:10:27,502
These guys are chasing my father
down and they're gonna kill him!

431
00:10:27,544 --> 00:10:27,544
I remember crying myself
to sleep many a night,

432
00:10:27,585 --> 00:10:30,338
I remember crying myself
to sleep many a night,

433
00:10:30,380 --> 00:10:30,380
thinking my dad was gonna die.

434
00:10:30,421 --> 00:10:32,090
thinking my dad was gonna die.

435
00:10:32,132 --> 00:10:32,132
And that bastard never
told us anything.

436
00:10:32,173 --> 00:10:34,008
And that bastard never
told us anything.

437
00:10:35,677 --> 00:10:35,677
By the end of the 70s,
Grizzly Smith retires from wrestling

438
00:10:35,718 --> 00:10:39,389
By the end of the 70s,
Grizzly Smith retires from wrestling

439
00:10:39,430 --> 00:10:39,430
in the ring and transitions
to a management position

440
00:10:39,472 --> 00:10:42,433
in the ring and transitions
to a management position

441
00:10:42,475 --> 00:10:42,475
behind the scenes,

442
00:10:42,517 --> 00:10:44,310
behind the scenes,

443
00:10:44,352 --> 00:10:44,352
but he would use his power and
influence for something

444
00:10:44,394 --> 00:10:46,521
but he would use his power and
influence for something

445
00:10:46,563 --> 00:10:46,563
much more sinister.

446
00:10:46,604 --> 00:10:48,273
much more sinister.

447
00:10:48,314 --> 00:10:48,314
You know, I had been around
the business for a little while

448
00:10:48,356 --> 00:10:50,775
You know, I had been around
the business for a little while

449
00:10:50,817 --> 00:10:50,817
at that point,

450
00:10:50,859 --> 00:10:51,943
at that point,

451
00:10:51,985 --> 00:10:51,985
and when I first got there and was in
the locker room

452
00:10:52,026 --> 00:10:53,653
and when I first got there and was in
the locker room

453
00:10:53,695 --> 00:10:53,695
hearing all the other people who had
known Grizzly longer,

454
00:10:53,736 --> 00:10:57,240
hearing all the other people who had
known Grizzly longer,

455
00:10:57,282 --> 00:10:57,282
been around him, talk about him,

456
00:10:57,323 --> 00:10:59,492
been around him, talk about him,

457
00:10:59,534 --> 00:10:59,534
the wrestlers always had a way of,
of knocking or talking behind

458
00:10:59,576 --> 00:11:03,788
the wrestlers always had a way of,
of knocking or talking behind

459
00:11:03,830 --> 00:11:03,830
the back of the authority figure
or the "office" personnel.

460
00:11:03,872 --> 00:11:08,293
the back of the authority figure
or the "office" personnel.

461
00:11:08,334 --> 00:11:08,334
But I'd never heard it like this.

462
00:11:08,376 --> 00:11:10,253
But I'd never heard it like this.

463
00:11:10,295 --> 00:11:10,295
Every joke wherever Grizzly wasn't,

464
00:11:10,336 --> 00:11:12,630
Every joke wherever Grizzly wasn't,

465
00:11:12,672 --> 00:11:12,672
every single little statement had
something to do with,

466
00:11:12,714 --> 00:11:16,467
every single little statement had
something to do with,

467
00:11:16,509 --> 00:11:16,509
"I wonder if Grizzly's mentoring
the young girls,"

468
00:11:16,551 --> 00:11:18,511
"I wonder if Grizzly's mentoring
the young girls,"

469
00:11:18,553 --> 00:11:18,553
or, "he's probably got one of them
on his lap reading her Bible verses."

470
00:11:18,595 --> 00:11:22,682
or, "he's probably got one of them
on his lap reading her Bible verses."

471
00:11:22,724 --> 00:11:22,724
And they would laugh
and they thought that was funny.

472
00:11:22,765 --> 00:11:25,351
And they would laugh
and they thought that was funny.

473
00:11:25,393 --> 00:11:25,393
I'm like, that... Kind of strange.

474
00:11:25,435 --> 00:11:27,770
I'm like, that... Kind of strange.

475
00:11:27,812 --> 00:11:27,812
And I had no idea of the back story
that the family had

476
00:11:27,854 --> 00:11:33,193
And I had no idea of the back story
that the family had

477
00:11:33,234 --> 00:11:33,234
that would come out in years and
decades later on.

478
00:11:33,276 --> 00:11:37,405
that would come out in years and
decades later on.

479
00:11:41,284 --> 00:11:41,284
Everybody knew Grizz. Everybody had
good things to say about him.

480
00:11:41,326 --> 00:11:45,455
Everybody knew Grizz. Everybody had
good things to say about him.

481
00:11:45,496 --> 00:11:45,496
You wanted to do road trips with him
because you wanted to pick his brain

482
00:11:45,538 --> 00:11:48,499
You wanted to do road trips with him
because you wanted to pick his brain

483
00:11:48,541 --> 00:11:48,541
about, like, how could
I make myself better?

484
00:11:48,583 --> 00:11:50,835
about, like, how could
I make myself better?

485
00:11:50,877 --> 00:11:50,877
How do I make more money?

486
00:11:50,919 --> 00:11:52,212
How do I make more money?

487
00:11:52,253 --> 00:11:52,253
{\an8}My name is Nickla Roberts.

488
00:11:52,295 --> 00:11:54,214
{\an8}My name is Nickla Roberts.

489
00:11:54,255 --> 00:11:54,255
{\an8}I worked in the
wrestling profession.

490
00:11:54,297 --> 00:11:56,758
{\an8}I worked in the
wrestling profession.

491
00:11:56,799 --> 00:11:56,799
{\an8}Look where Baby Doll is!

492
00:11:56,841 --> 00:11:59,928
{\an8}Look where Baby Doll is!

493
00:11:59,969 --> 00:11:59,969
{\an8}My dad promoted in Lubbock, Texas.

494
00:12:00,011 --> 00:12:01,971
{\an8}My dad promoted in Lubbock, Texas.

495
00:12:02,013 --> 00:12:02,013
Both of my parents were wrestlers.

496
00:12:02,055 --> 00:12:04,307
Both of my parents were wrestlers.

497
00:12:04,349 --> 00:12:04,349
But how I actually met and got
into the Smith family,

498
00:12:04,390 --> 00:12:08,853
But how I actually met and got
into the Smith family,

499
00:12:08,895 --> 00:12:08,895
I think this was like April of '85.

500
00:12:08,937 --> 00:12:11,522
I think this was like April of '85.

501
00:12:11,564 --> 00:12:11,564
I kind of started talking
to Sam a little bit then.

502
00:12:11,606 --> 00:12:14,400
I kind of started talking
to Sam a little bit then.

503
00:12:14,442 --> 00:12:14,442
And, July 30th was the very
first day that we kissed.

504
00:12:14,484 --> 00:12:19,197
And, July 30th was the very
first day that we kissed.

505
00:12:19,239 --> 00:12:19,239
And we got married a year
to the day from there.

506
00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:22,575
And we got married a year
to the day from there.

507
00:12:22,617 --> 00:12:22,617
Baby Doll is the mother
of my children. I love her immensely.

508
00:12:22,659 --> 00:12:25,995
Baby Doll is the mother
of my children. I love her immensely.

509
00:12:26,037 --> 00:12:26,037
I always will.

510
00:12:26,079 --> 00:12:27,830
I always will.

511
00:12:27,872 --> 00:12:27,872
What was your experience
with Grizzly Smith?

512
00:12:27,914 --> 00:12:30,583
What was your experience
with Grizzly Smith?

513
00:12:30,625 --> 00:12:30,625
The craziest thing to go along
with the whole Grizzly Smith and,

514
00:12:30,667 --> 00:12:34,796
The craziest thing to go along
with the whole Grizzly Smith and,

515
00:12:34,837 --> 00:12:34,837
and the weirdness of it was,
to do a road trip with him,

516
00:12:34,879 --> 00:12:38,383
and the weirdness of it was,
to do a road trip with him,

517
00:12:38,424 --> 00:12:38,424
we would like all of a sudden be
like 50 miles off the road,

518
00:12:38,466 --> 00:12:42,720
we would like all of a sudden be
like 50 miles off the road,

519
00:12:42,762 --> 00:12:42,762
picking up some 14,
15-year-old girl.

520
00:12:42,804 --> 00:12:45,765
picking up some 14,
15-year-old girl.

521
00:12:45,807 --> 00:12:45,807
Then she was gonna ride with us
for three to four days.

522
00:12:45,848 --> 00:12:48,685
Then she was gonna ride with us
for three to four days.

523
00:12:48,726 --> 00:12:48,726
And it was just like...

524
00:12:48,768 --> 00:12:50,812
And it was just like...

525
00:12:50,853 --> 00:12:50,853
You're gonna put...

526
00:12:50,895 --> 00:12:52,188
You're gonna put...

527
00:12:53,773 --> 00:12:53,773
OK.

528
00:12:53,815 --> 00:12:55,066
OK.

529
00:12:55,108 --> 00:12:55,108
And then her parents
were like waving on the front yard,

530
00:12:55,149 --> 00:12:57,360
And then her parents
were like waving on the front yard,

531
00:12:57,402 --> 00:12:57,402
like, "Bye, see you on Tuesday."

532
00:12:57,443 --> 00:12:59,779
like, "Bye, see you on Tuesday."

533
00:12:59,821 --> 00:12:59,821
It was really weird because it
wasn't until after his death that...

534
00:12:59,862 --> 00:13:04,575
It was really weird because it
wasn't until after his death that...

535
00:13:04,617 --> 00:13:04,617
You kind of start finding out,
you know, the whole whirlwind

536
00:13:04,659 --> 00:13:07,495
You kind of start finding out,
you know, the whole whirlwind

537
00:13:07,537 --> 00:13:07,537
of the stories and the whole just
horrible stuff that was going on.

538
00:13:07,578 --> 00:13:12,667
of the stories and the whole just
horrible stuff that was going on.

539
00:13:12,709 --> 00:13:12,709
And, I was there and, and I...

540
00:13:12,750 --> 00:13:16,045
And, I was there and, and I...

541
00:13:16,087 --> 00:13:16,087
you kind of get that
feeling of like, OK,

542
00:13:16,129 --> 00:13:18,256
you kind of get that
feeling of like, OK,

543
00:13:18,298 --> 00:13:18,298
something, something's
not quite right.

544
00:13:18,339 --> 00:13:20,633
something, something's
not quite right.

545
00:13:20,675 --> 00:13:20,675
And you look for it.

546
00:13:20,717 --> 00:13:22,385
And you look for it.

547
00:13:22,427 --> 00:13:22,427
I was right there
and I never saw it.

548
00:13:22,468 --> 00:13:24,992
I was right there
and I never saw it.

549
00:13:26,514 --> 00:13:26,514
Before embarking on a career in the
ring as Jake "The Snake" Roberts,

550
00:13:26,556 --> 00:13:30,560
Before embarking on a career in the
ring as Jake "The Snake" Roberts,

551
00:13:31,102 --> 00:13:31,102
Aurelian Smith Jr. endures a
traumatic childhood,

552
00:13:31,144 --> 00:13:34,355
Aurelian Smith Jr. endures a
traumatic childhood,

553
00:13:34,397 --> 00:13:34,397
which would be a source of torment
for the rest of his life.

554
00:13:34,439 --> 00:13:38,151
which would be a source of torment
for the rest of his life.

555
00:13:38,192 --> 00:13:38,192
Jake was a, a mean son of a bitch
that didn't care about nothing.

556
00:13:38,234 --> 00:13:44,449
Jake was a, a mean son of a bitch
that didn't care about nothing.

557
00:13:44,490 --> 00:13:44,490
{\an8}And there's nothing that's out
of bounds with Jake.

558
00:13:44,532 --> 00:13:48,077
{\an8}And there's nothing that's out
of bounds with Jake.

559
00:13:48,119 --> 00:13:48,119
{\an8}Aurelian, completely different cat.

560
00:13:48,161 --> 00:13:51,039
{\an8}Aurelian, completely different cat.

561
00:13:53,583 --> 00:13:53,583
Aurelian hasn't grown...

562
00:13:53,624 --> 00:13:55,960
Aurelian hasn't grown...

563
00:13:56,002 --> 00:13:56,002
Since he was 12, 13 years old.

564
00:13:56,044 --> 00:13:58,004
Since he was 12, 13 years old.

565
00:13:58,046 --> 00:13:58,046
I put him away a long time ago.

566
00:13:58,087 --> 00:14:01,132
I put him away a long time ago.

567
00:14:01,174 --> 00:14:01,174
I had to, 'cause it hurt too much.

568
00:14:01,215 --> 00:14:05,178
I had to, 'cause it hurt too much.

569
00:14:05,219 --> 00:14:05,219
I don't think I've been
Aurelian in 30 or 40 years.

570
00:14:05,261 --> 00:14:09,140
I don't think I've been
Aurelian in 30 or 40 years.

571
00:14:09,182 --> 00:14:09,182
And I don't know that
I ever will be again.

572
00:14:09,223 --> 00:14:11,934
And I don't know that
I ever will be again.

573
00:14:11,976 --> 00:14:11,976
Aurelian feels it and
Aurelian remembers.

574
00:14:12,018 --> 00:14:17,148
Aurelian feels it and
Aurelian remembers.

575
00:14:17,190 --> 00:14:17,190
And Aurelian's crippled and can't
do nothing about it.

576
00:14:17,231 --> 00:14:21,611
And Aurelian's crippled and can't
do nothing about it.

577
00:14:21,652 --> 00:14:21,652
But I am more comfortable
with Jake now. I respect Jake.

578
00:14:21,694 --> 00:14:25,656
But I am more comfortable
with Jake now. I respect Jake.

579
00:14:25,698 --> 00:14:25,698
I know how dangerous Jake can be.

580
00:14:25,740 --> 00:14:28,284
I know how dangerous Jake can be.

581
00:14:28,326 --> 00:14:28,326
Jake's OK as long as you've got him
handcuffed, you know.

582
00:14:28,368 --> 00:14:31,454
Jake's OK as long as you've got him
handcuffed, you know.

583
00:14:31,496 --> 00:14:31,496
You know, really, seriously.

584
00:14:31,537 --> 00:14:33,414
You know, really, seriously.

585
00:14:33,456 --> 00:14:33,456
Aurelian though, very scared kid.

586
00:14:33,498 --> 00:14:36,376
Aurelian though, very scared kid.

587
00:14:37,794 --> 00:14:37,794
And again, I don't think I've grown
since I was maybe 13.

588
00:14:37,835 --> 00:14:43,341
And again, I don't think I've grown
since I was maybe 13.

589
00:14:43,383 --> 00:14:43,383
When most of that stuff
started happening.

590
00:14:43,424 --> 00:14:46,260
When most of that stuff
started happening.

591
00:14:51,724 --> 00:14:51,724
She was 13 when I was born.

592
00:14:51,766 --> 00:14:54,268
She was 13 when I was born.

593
00:14:54,310 --> 00:14:54,310
My father was a paedophile.

594
00:14:54,352 --> 00:14:56,270
My father was a paedophile.

595
00:14:57,980 --> 00:14:57,980
Disgusting paedophile.

596
00:14:58,022 --> 00:15:00,358
Disgusting paedophile.

597
00:15:02,276 --> 00:15:02,276
Which would haunt me
the rest of my life.

598
00:15:02,318 --> 00:15:06,197
Which would haunt me
the rest of my life.

599
00:15:06,239 --> 00:15:06,239
By the age of 17, then
he divorced my mother,

600
00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:09,158
By the age of 17, then
he divorced my mother,

601
00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:09,200
and he left and went on the road,
leaving us all behind.

602
00:15:09,242 --> 00:15:13,329
and he left and went on the road,
leaving us all behind.

603
00:15:13,371 --> 00:15:13,371
Kids got passed out.

604
00:15:13,413 --> 00:15:15,248
Kids got passed out.

605
00:15:15,289 --> 00:15:15,289
My little brother, Richard,

606
00:15:15,331 --> 00:15:16,499
My little brother, Richard,

607
00:15:16,541 --> 00:15:16,541
he was passed out to my dad's sister
and her husband.

608
00:15:16,582 --> 00:15:18,835
he was passed out to my dad's sister
and her husband.

609
00:15:18,876 --> 00:15:18,876
They couldn't have children.

610
00:15:18,918 --> 00:15:20,461
They couldn't have children.

611
00:15:20,503 --> 00:15:20,503
My sister Jo Lynn was...

612
00:15:20,545 --> 00:15:22,839
My sister Jo Lynn was...

613
00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:22,880
She was tossed everywhere.

614
00:15:22,922 --> 00:15:24,882
She was tossed everywhere.

615
00:15:24,924 --> 00:15:24,924
She spent too much time with my dad,
if you know what I mean.

616
00:15:24,966 --> 00:15:28,803
She spent too much time with my dad,
if you know what I mean.

617
00:15:28,845 --> 00:15:28,845
My mother was blind
to a lot of this.

618
00:15:28,886 --> 00:15:31,139
My mother was blind
to a lot of this.

619
00:15:31,180 --> 00:15:31,180
I had a great mother,
wonderful mother. Loving mother.

620
00:15:31,222 --> 00:15:34,517
I had a great mother,
wonderful mother. Loving mother.

621
00:15:35,643 --> 00:15:35,643
After his parents split up,
Jake lives an idyllic life

622
00:15:35,685 --> 00:15:39,188
After his parents split up,
Jake lives an idyllic life

623
00:15:39,230 --> 00:15:39,230
with his grandmother
until she passes away

624
00:15:39,272 --> 00:15:41,732
with his grandmother
until she passes away

625
00:15:41,774 --> 00:15:41,774
when he is 11 years old,

626
00:15:41,816 --> 00:15:43,276
when he is 11 years old,

627
00:15:43,317 --> 00:15:43,317
forcing him to move back in with his
father and his new wife, Marsha.

628
00:15:43,359 --> 00:15:48,698
forcing him to move back in with his
father and his new wife, Marsha.

629
00:15:48,739 --> 00:15:48,739
I thought it was gonna be
the greatest thing ever, man.

630
00:15:48,781 --> 00:15:51,492
I thought it was gonna be
the greatest thing ever, man.

631
00:15:51,534 --> 00:15:51,534
This is gonna be so cool.

632
00:15:51,576 --> 00:15:53,077
This is gonna be so cool.

633
00:15:55,788 --> 00:15:55,788
Well...

634
00:15:55,830 --> 00:15:56,789
Well...

635
00:15:58,124 --> 00:15:58,124
It wasn't cool.

636
00:15:58,166 --> 00:15:59,709
It wasn't cool.

637
00:15:59,750 --> 00:15:59,750
He was forced to take
me home with him.

638
00:15:59,792 --> 00:16:02,295
He was forced to take
me home with him.

639
00:16:02,336 --> 00:16:02,336
Shortly after I moved in with him,
his wife started playing games.

640
00:16:02,378 --> 00:16:07,717
Shortly after I moved in with him,
his wife started playing games.

641
00:16:07,758 --> 00:16:07,758
Sometimes games that
weren't so funny. Sexual games.

642
00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:12,513
Sometimes games that
weren't so funny. Sexual games.

643
00:16:12,555 --> 00:16:12,555
I went...
To my dad and told on her one time.

644
00:16:12,597 --> 00:16:15,475
I went...
To my dad and told on her one time.

645
00:16:17,393 --> 00:16:17,393
And...

646
00:16:17,435 --> 00:16:18,394
And...

647
00:16:19,937 --> 00:16:19,937
She stopped me right
in the middle of it,

648
00:16:19,979 --> 00:16:22,482
She stopped me right
in the middle of it,

649
00:16:22,523 --> 00:16:22,523
said, "I'll tend to you later."

650
00:16:22,565 --> 00:16:24,484
said, "I'll tend to you later."

651
00:16:24,525 --> 00:16:24,525
And she went in, talked to my dad,

652
00:16:24,567 --> 00:16:26,235
And she went in, talked to my dad,

653
00:16:26,277 --> 00:16:26,277
next thing I know, she beat me
with a damn clothes hanger

654
00:16:26,319 --> 00:16:29,739
next thing I know, she beat me
with a damn clothes hanger

655
00:16:29,780 --> 00:16:29,780
and fly swatter.

656
00:16:29,822 --> 00:16:31,073
and fly swatter.

657
00:16:31,115 --> 00:16:31,115
It's one thing to have sex,

658
00:16:31,157 --> 00:16:32,158
It's one thing to have sex,

659
00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:32,200
but it's another thing to get beaten
for doing it.

660
00:16:32,241 --> 00:16:35,036
but it's another thing to get beaten
for doing it.

661
00:16:35,077 --> 00:16:35,077
Freaked me out.

662
00:16:35,119 --> 00:16:36,579
Freaked me out.

663
00:16:36,621 --> 00:16:36,621
Little did I know, my father
was aware of all that

664
00:16:36,662 --> 00:16:38,789
Little did I know, my father
was aware of all that

665
00:16:38,831 --> 00:16:38,831
'cause he was doing the same
thing to my sisters.

666
00:16:38,873 --> 00:16:42,335
'cause he was doing the same
thing to my sisters.

667
00:16:44,003 --> 00:16:44,003
First, I want to say this,

668
00:16:44,045 --> 00:16:45,963
First, I want to say this,

669
00:16:46,005 --> 00:16:46,005
{\an8}is that my intention is not
to destroy a legacy

670
00:16:46,047 --> 00:16:49,759
{\an8}is that my intention is not
to destroy a legacy

671
00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:49,800
{\an8}that was, you know, my dad was great
at what he did.

672
00:16:49,842 --> 00:16:54,013
{\an8}that was, you know, my dad was great
at what he did.

673
00:16:54,055 --> 00:16:54,055
He could be a hero.

674
00:16:54,096 --> 00:16:56,098
He could be a hero.

675
00:16:56,140 --> 00:16:56,140
But, to me, he was my monster.

676
00:16:56,182 --> 00:16:59,894
But, to me, he was my monster.

677
00:17:03,272 --> 00:17:03,272
I guess, just going back
to when it all started,

678
00:17:03,314 --> 00:17:06,526
I guess, just going back
to when it all started,

679
00:17:06,567 --> 00:17:06,567
I was probably eight
or nine years old.

680
00:17:06,609 --> 00:17:09,862
I was probably eight
or nine years old.

681
00:17:09,904 --> 00:17:09,904
And, the, the wild thing
about it was, was that I remember

682
00:17:09,946 --> 00:17:17,870
And, the, the wild thing
about it was, was that I remember

683
00:17:17,912 --> 00:17:17,912
about a month before the first thing
ever happened, he...

684
00:17:17,954 --> 00:17:22,875
about a month before the first thing
ever happened, he...

685
00:17:24,085 --> 00:17:24,085
He, basically, was working me.

686
00:17:24,126 --> 00:17:26,003
He, basically, was working me.

687
00:17:26,045 --> 00:17:26,045
And this is part of the manipulation
that, that I think people...

688
00:17:26,087 --> 00:17:30,925
And this is part of the manipulation
that, that I think people...

689
00:17:32,802 --> 00:17:32,802
People do to kind of groom you and,

690
00:17:32,843 --> 00:17:35,972
People do to kind of groom you and,

691
00:17:36,013 --> 00:17:36,013
you know, get you where
they want you, basically.

692
00:17:36,055 --> 00:17:39,725
you know, get you where
they want you, basically.

693
00:17:39,767 --> 00:17:39,767
So, for about a month or so before
the first thing ever happened,

694
00:17:39,809 --> 00:17:42,812
So, for about a month or so before
the first thing ever happened,

695
00:17:42,853 --> 00:17:42,853
he was walking around,
completely ignoring me.

696
00:17:42,895 --> 00:17:46,148
he was walking around,
completely ignoring me.

697
00:17:46,190 --> 00:17:46,190
He couldn't stand to
be in the same room.

698
00:17:46,232 --> 00:17:48,859
He couldn't stand to
be in the same room.

699
00:17:48,901 --> 00:17:48,901
You know, as an 8-year-old kid,

700
00:17:48,943 --> 00:17:50,278
You know, as an 8-year-old kid,

701
00:17:50,319 --> 00:17:50,319
I mean, you think, what in the world
have I done?

702
00:17:50,361 --> 00:17:52,905
I mean, you think, what in the world
have I done?

703
00:17:52,947 --> 00:17:52,947
All you want is the love
of your parents, right?

704
00:17:52,989 --> 00:17:56,158
All you want is the love
of your parents, right?

705
00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:56,200
Then one day, my, my mother was gone,
and he, he worked during the day.

706
00:17:56,242 --> 00:18:00,830
Then one day, my, my mother was gone,
and he, he worked during the day.

707
00:18:00,871 --> 00:18:00,871
He was home working in the office
in the back

708
00:18:00,913 --> 00:18:03,583
He was home working in the office
in the back

709
00:18:03,624 --> 00:18:03,624
and, so he called me in the back,

710
00:18:03,666 --> 00:18:05,918
and, so he called me in the back,

711
00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:05,960
and just said, just to say, "Well,
you know,

712
00:18:06,002 --> 00:18:08,796
and just said, just to say, "Well,
you know,

713
00:18:08,838 --> 00:18:08,838
you know daddy loves you," and...

714
00:18:08,879 --> 00:18:11,090
you know daddy loves you," and...

715
00:18:11,132 --> 00:18:11,132
And, I mean, I was so
relieved that, oh...

716
00:18:11,173 --> 00:18:15,886
And, I mean, I was so
relieved that, oh...

717
00:18:15,928 --> 00:18:15,928
He does love me.

718
00:18:15,970 --> 00:18:17,763
He does love me.

719
00:18:17,805 --> 00:18:17,805
He doesn't hate me and that
turned into the first time

720
00:18:17,847 --> 00:18:20,141
He doesn't hate me and that
turned into the first time

721
00:18:20,182 --> 00:18:20,182
he put his hands on me.

722
00:18:20,224 --> 00:18:22,435
he put his hands on me.

723
00:18:22,476 --> 00:18:22,476
So...

724
00:18:22,518 --> 00:18:24,270
So...

725
00:18:24,312 --> 00:18:24,312
(Clears throat) Ah, you come out
of that real confused and real...

726
00:18:24,353 --> 00:18:30,109
(Clears throat) Ah, you come out
of that real confused and real...

727
00:18:30,151 --> 00:18:30,151
You know, had no idea
how to process that.

728
00:18:30,192 --> 00:18:33,613
You know, had no idea
how to process that.

729
00:18:33,654 --> 00:18:33,654
I mean, you just don't.

730
00:18:33,696 --> 00:18:35,531
I mean, you just don't.

731
00:18:35,573 --> 00:18:35,573
I think that very day it strips
you of your security.

732
00:18:35,615 --> 00:18:40,244
I think that very day it strips
you of your security.

733
00:18:40,286 --> 00:18:40,286
It strips you of your self-worth,
self-respect, innocence.

734
00:18:40,328 --> 00:18:45,708
It strips you of your self-worth,
self-respect, innocence.

735
00:18:45,750 --> 00:18:45,750
It strips you of all the things
that, that make you a child.

736
00:18:45,791 --> 00:18:50,546
It strips you of all the things
that, that make you a child.

737
00:18:50,588 --> 00:18:50,588
It really does.

738
00:18:50,630 --> 00:18:52,256
It really does.

739
00:18:54,675 --> 00:18:54,675
I think from when I was about
eight until about 14.

740
00:18:54,717 --> 00:18:59,930
I think from when I was about
eight until about 14.

741
00:19:01,223 --> 00:19:01,223
I told my mother about it and she
gathered up everything and we left.

742
00:19:01,265 --> 00:19:05,227
I told my mother about it and she
gathered up everything and we left.

743
00:19:05,269 --> 00:19:05,269
At about 15, I actually remember
telling him

744
00:19:05,311 --> 00:19:09,023
At about 15, I actually remember
telling him

745
00:19:09,065 --> 00:19:09,065
that if he ever did anything again

746
00:19:09,106 --> 00:19:11,150
that if he ever did anything again

747
00:19:11,192 --> 00:19:11,192
that I would shoot him with his own
gun.

748
00:19:11,233 --> 00:19:13,694
that I would shoot him with his own
gun.

749
00:19:13,736 --> 00:19:13,736
'Cause I knew where they were.

750
00:19:13,778 --> 00:19:21,035
'Cause I knew where they were.

751
00:19:22,620 --> 00:19:22,620
All I can tell you is that my mother

752
00:19:22,662 --> 00:19:25,247
All I can tell you is that my mother

753
00:19:25,289 --> 00:19:25,289
was not the kind of person that

754
00:19:25,331 --> 00:19:27,708
was not the kind of person that

755
00:19:27,750 --> 00:19:27,750
would have tried
to be inappropriate.

756
00:19:27,792 --> 00:19:30,628
would have tried
to be inappropriate.

757
00:19:30,670 --> 00:19:30,670
If something happened
with my mother,

758
00:19:30,711 --> 00:19:33,172
If something happened
with my mother,

759
00:19:33,214 --> 00:19:33,214
I tend to think that my dad probably
asked her to do some things

760
00:19:33,255 --> 00:19:37,551
I tend to think that my dad probably
asked her to do some things

761
00:19:37,593 --> 00:19:37,593
that she never would have never done,
just for his own whatever pleasure.

762
00:19:37,635 --> 00:19:42,932
that she never would have never done,
just for his own whatever pleasure.

763
00:19:42,973 --> 00:19:42,973
She was what, 16, if,
whenever they got married.

764
00:19:43,015 --> 00:19:47,478
She was what, 16, if,
whenever they got married.

765
00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:47,520
So, I mean, she was
very, very young.

766
00:19:47,561 --> 00:19:50,356
So, I mean, she was
very, very young.

767
00:19:50,398 --> 00:19:50,398
When Robin is 15 years old,
her half-sister, Jo Lynn,

768
00:19:50,439 --> 00:19:55,069
When Robin is 15 years old,
her half-sister, Jo Lynn,

769
00:19:55,111 --> 00:19:55,111
Grizzly's other daughter,
pays her an unexpected visit.

770
00:19:55,152 --> 00:19:58,447
Grizzly's other daughter,
pays her an unexpected visit.

771
00:19:58,489 --> 00:19:58,489
She came, she picked me up and,
we went out, we went shopping.

772
00:19:58,531 --> 00:20:02,618
She came, she picked me up and,
we went out, we went shopping.

773
00:20:02,660 --> 00:20:02,660
And it, to me, it seemed
like there was just,

774
00:20:02,702 --> 00:20:05,538
And it, to me, it seemed
like there was just,

775
00:20:05,579 --> 00:20:05,579
there was something
that she was wanting to tell me

776
00:20:05,621 --> 00:20:08,374
there was something
that she was wanting to tell me

777
00:20:08,416 --> 00:20:08,416
or talk to me about,
or ask me, or...

778
00:20:08,457 --> 00:20:11,460
or talk to me about,
or ask me, or...

779
00:20:11,502 --> 00:20:11,502
She was just asking
quite a few questions.

780
00:20:11,544 --> 00:20:14,213
She was just asking
quite a few questions.

781
00:20:14,255 --> 00:20:14,255
Her main thing was, do I feel safe?

782
00:20:14,296 --> 00:20:16,632
Her main thing was, do I feel safe?

783
00:20:16,674 --> 00:20:16,674
Do I feel comfortable?

784
00:20:16,716 --> 00:20:18,676
Do I feel comfortable?

785
00:20:18,718 --> 00:20:18,718
I think she wanted to know if,
if I had gone through the same thing

786
00:20:18,759 --> 00:20:24,640
I think she wanted to know if,
if I had gone through the same thing

787
00:20:24,682 --> 00:20:24,682
because there was no doubt
in my mind

788
00:20:24,724 --> 00:20:26,475
because there was no doubt
in my mind

789
00:20:26,517 --> 00:20:26,517
that the same thing happened to her.

790
00:20:26,559 --> 00:20:28,894
that the same thing happened to her.

791
00:20:28,936 --> 00:20:28,936
I don't doubt it, to this day.

792
00:20:28,978 --> 00:20:31,313
I don't doubt it, to this day.

793
00:20:31,355 --> 00:20:31,355
It just seemed like there
was an awful lot on her mind.

794
00:20:31,397 --> 00:20:34,692
It just seemed like there
was an awful lot on her mind.

795
00:20:34,734 --> 00:20:34,734
And then, it was about two weeks
later when she was kidnapped.

796
00:20:34,775 --> 00:20:39,280
And then, it was about two weeks
later when she was kidnapped.

797
00:20:44,827 --> 00:20:44,827
Richard and Mike and I were at
a roller-skating rink.

798
00:20:44,869 --> 00:20:48,914
Richard and Mike and I were at
a roller-skating rink.

799
00:20:48,956 --> 00:20:48,956
We had gone over
there, gone skating.

800
00:20:48,998 --> 00:20:51,083
We had gone over
there, gone skating.

801
00:20:51,125 --> 00:20:51,125
And, they came over
the intercom and said,

802
00:20:51,167 --> 00:20:54,211
And, they came over
the intercom and said,

803
00:20:54,253 --> 00:20:54,253
"Robin, Mike, Richard,
the Smith family."

804
00:20:54,295 --> 00:20:57,214
"Robin, Mike, Richard,
the Smith family."

805
00:20:57,256 --> 00:20:57,256
{\an8}We got a phone call.

806
00:20:57,298 --> 00:20:59,175
{\an8}We got a phone call.

807
00:20:59,216 --> 00:20:59,216
It was dad, and he told me, he said,
"You need to get home.

808
00:20:59,258 --> 00:21:01,427
It was dad, and he told me, he said,
"You need to get home.

809
00:21:01,469 --> 00:21:01,469
Get home immediately."

810
00:21:01,510 --> 00:21:03,012
Get home immediately."

811
00:21:03,053 --> 00:21:03,053
So, we got home.

812
00:21:03,095 --> 00:21:04,847
So, we got home.

813
00:21:04,889 --> 00:21:04,889
Dad left a note in the house that
said Jo Lynn had been kidnapped.

814
00:21:04,930 --> 00:21:09,101
Dad left a note in the house that
said Jo Lynn had been kidnapped.

815
00:21:10,686 --> 00:21:10,686
I thought it was kind of crazy
at first because I was like,

816
00:21:10,728 --> 00:21:13,063
I thought it was kind of crazy
at first because I was like,

817
00:21:13,105 --> 00:21:13,105
how does he know
she's been kidnapped?

818
00:21:13,147 --> 00:21:14,982
how does he know
she's been kidnapped?

819
00:21:15,024 --> 00:21:15,024
Was there a ransom or...

820
00:21:15,065 --> 00:21:16,484
Was there a ransom or...

821
00:21:16,525 --> 00:21:16,525
What was going on?

822
00:21:16,567 --> 00:21:18,235
What was going on?

823
00:21:18,277 --> 00:21:18,277
Richard put his hand
through the wall.

824
00:21:18,319 --> 00:21:21,113
Richard put his hand
through the wall.

825
00:21:21,155 --> 00:21:21,155
I busted. And I totally lost it.

826
00:21:21,197 --> 00:21:23,491
I busted. And I totally lost it.

827
00:21:23,532 --> 00:21:23,532
They were very close,
Richard and Jo Lynn.

828
00:21:23,574 --> 00:21:26,619
They were very close,
Richard and Jo Lynn.

829
00:21:26,660 --> 00:21:26,660
Closer than any of us.

830
00:21:26,702 --> 00:21:28,329
Closer than any of us.

831
00:21:28,370 --> 00:21:28,370
Somebody has hurt my sister.

832
00:21:28,412 --> 00:21:29,789
Somebody has hurt my sister.

833
00:21:29,830 --> 00:21:29,830
I need to find out
what my next step is.

834
00:21:29,872 --> 00:21:31,957
I need to find out
what my next step is.

835
00:21:31,999 --> 00:21:31,999
I couldn't understand why somebody'd
want to kidnap somebody

836
00:21:32,041 --> 00:21:34,585
I couldn't understand why somebody'd
want to kidnap somebody

837
00:21:34,627 --> 00:21:34,627
that was so sweet.

838
00:21:34,668 --> 00:21:35,753
that was so sweet.

839
00:21:35,795 --> 00:21:35,795
She never hurt nobody. She had no
intentions of hurting nobody.

840
00:21:35,836 --> 00:21:38,631
She never hurt nobody. She had no
intentions of hurting nobody.

841
00:21:38,672 --> 00:21:38,672
She just wanted to live
a happy, free life.

842
00:21:38,714 --> 00:21:41,467
She just wanted to live
a happy, free life.

843
00:21:41,509 --> 00:21:41,509
And she was finally happy.

844
00:21:41,550 --> 00:21:43,010
And she was finally happy.

845
00:21:43,052 --> 00:21:43,052
She had a kid, that
mission was accomplished.

846
00:21:43,093 --> 00:21:45,596
She had a kid, that
mission was accomplished.

847
00:21:45,638 --> 00:21:45,638
It was a quiet, peaceful trailer
park she was living in.

848
00:21:45,679 --> 00:21:47,973
It was a quiet, peaceful trailer
park she was living in.

849
00:21:48,015 --> 00:21:48,015
She finally had it
going on, and then this.

850
00:21:48,057 --> 00:21:51,727
She finally had it
going on, and then this.

851
00:21:51,769 --> 00:21:51,769
When you talk about murder,
kidnapping, armed robbery,

852
00:21:51,811 --> 00:21:55,356
When you talk about murder,
kidnapping, armed robbery,

853
00:21:55,397 --> 00:21:55,397
something like that, no, we,
we just didn't have that.

854
00:21:55,439 --> 00:21:57,942
something like that, no, we,
we just didn't have that.

855
00:21:57,983 --> 00:21:57,983
That just wasn't in Tatum, Texas.

856
00:21:58,025 --> 00:22:00,402
That just wasn't in Tatum, Texas.

857
00:22:00,444 --> 00:22:00,444
{\an8}My name's Carl gauge.
My nickname's Buzz.

858
00:22:00,486 --> 00:22:02,530
{\an8}My name's Carl gauge.
My nickname's Buzz.

859
00:22:02,571 --> 00:22:02,571
{\an8}I've been Buzz all my life.

860
00:22:02,613 --> 00:22:04,281
{\an8}I've been Buzz all my life.

861
00:22:04,323 --> 00:22:04,323
{\an8}I'm 69 years old and in 1979,
I was 28 and I was Chief of Police

862
00:22:04,365 --> 00:22:09,495
{\an8}I'm 69 years old and in 1979,
I was 28 and I was Chief of Police

863
00:22:09,537 --> 00:22:09,537
at Tatum, Texas.

864
00:22:09,578 --> 00:22:11,288
at Tatum, Texas.

865
00:22:11,330 --> 00:22:11,330
As I remember, just on routine
patrol one particular morning and,

866
00:22:11,372 --> 00:22:14,875
As I remember, just on routine
patrol one particular morning and,

867
00:22:14,917 --> 00:22:14,917
the manager from the Cherry Hill
mobile home park flagged me down.

868
00:22:14,959 --> 00:22:18,003
the manager from the Cherry Hill
mobile home park flagged me down.

869
00:22:18,045 --> 00:22:18,045
I knew him, and he said,
"I had a kidnapping out

870
00:22:18,087 --> 00:22:20,464
I knew him, and he said,
"I had a kidnapping out

871
00:22:20,506 --> 00:22:20,506
here at the trailer park."

872
00:22:20,548 --> 00:22:22,716
here at the trailer park."

873
00:22:22,758 --> 00:22:22,758
Jo Lynn was there with
Little Ted, her baby.

874
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,719
Jo Lynn was there with
Little Ted, her baby.

875
00:22:25,761 --> 00:22:25,761
They grabbed her and pulled her out
and threw her in this car,

876
00:22:25,803 --> 00:22:30,724
They grabbed her and pulled her out
and threw her in this car,

877
00:22:30,766 --> 00:22:30,766
and took off.

878
00:22:30,808 --> 00:22:32,685
and took off.

879
00:22:32,726 --> 00:22:32,726
Jo Lynn was 5'10,
probably weighed 200.

880
00:22:32,768 --> 00:22:35,479
Jo Lynn was 5'10,
probably weighed 200.

881
00:22:35,521 --> 00:22:35,521
You ain't gonna take
her down by yourself.

882
00:22:35,563 --> 00:22:38,315
You ain't gonna take
her down by yourself.

883
00:22:38,357 --> 00:22:38,357
Me and her used to wrestle,
and she's tough.

884
00:22:38,399 --> 00:22:41,360
Me and her used to wrestle,
and she's tough.

885
00:22:41,402 --> 00:22:41,402
So, there ain't no way one person
loaded her in that car.

886
00:22:41,443 --> 00:22:45,197
So, there ain't no way one person
loaded her in that car.

887
00:22:45,239 --> 00:22:45,239
Went right to it pretty quick and got
out there and, the door's open.

888
00:22:45,281 --> 00:22:48,951
Went right to it pretty quick and got
out there and, the door's open.

889
00:22:48,993 --> 00:22:48,993
Of course, we hear something in the
house. "What's that?"

890
00:22:49,034 --> 00:22:52,037
Of course, we hear something in the
house. "What's that?"

891
00:22:52,079 --> 00:22:52,079
He said, "Well,
her baby's in there."

892
00:22:52,121 --> 00:22:54,915
He said, "Well,
her baby's in there."

893
00:22:54,957 --> 00:22:54,957
The baby's fine, wasn't no problem.
Then the husband got there.

894
00:22:54,999 --> 00:22:58,961
The baby's fine, wasn't no problem.
Then the husband got there.

895
00:22:59,003 --> 00:22:59,003
We got in and I noticed some
letters on the little table

896
00:22:59,044 --> 00:23:02,298
We got in and I noticed some
letters on the little table

897
00:23:02,339 --> 00:23:02,339
there by the door and I
said, "What are these?

898
00:23:02,381 --> 00:23:05,092
there by the door and I
said, "What are these?

899
00:23:05,134 --> 00:23:05,134
They're addressed to your wife."
He said, "That's my ex-wife.

900
00:23:05,175 --> 00:23:08,095
They're addressed to your wife."
He said, "That's my ex-wife.

901
00:23:08,137 --> 00:23:08,137
She would send threatening
letters to her."

902
00:23:08,178 --> 00:23:11,682
She would send threatening
letters to her."

903
00:23:11,724 --> 00:23:11,724
With the menacing letters
as evidence,

904
00:23:11,765 --> 00:23:13,851
With the menacing letters
as evidence,

905
00:23:13,893 --> 00:23:13,893
authority's number one suspect
becomes Faelyn Rogers,

906
00:23:13,934 --> 00:23:18,147
authority's number one suspect
becomes Faelyn Rogers,

907
00:23:18,188 --> 00:23:18,188
the ex-wife of Jo Lynn's husband.

908
00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:20,774
the ex-wife of Jo Lynn's husband.

909
00:23:20,816 --> 00:23:20,816
Investigators discover incriminating
evidence in Faelyn's car,

910
00:23:20,858 --> 00:23:25,362
Investigators discover incriminating
evidence in Faelyn's car,

911
00:23:25,404 --> 00:23:25,404
and she eventually confesses
to the kidnapping, but she claims

912
00:23:25,446 --> 00:23:28,824
and she eventually confesses
to the kidnapping, but she claims

913
00:23:28,866 --> 00:23:28,866
Jo Lynn escaped shortly
after the abduction.

914
00:23:28,908 --> 00:23:32,119
Jo Lynn escaped shortly
after the abduction.

915
00:23:32,161 --> 00:23:32,161
Searching, oh, lord have mercy,
we had search parties out.

916
00:23:32,202 --> 00:23:35,706
Searching, oh, lord have mercy,
we had search parties out.

917
00:23:35,748 --> 00:23:35,748
We had helicopters, we had horses,

918
00:23:35,789 --> 00:23:37,791
We had helicopters, we had horses,

919
00:23:37,833 --> 00:23:37,833
we had motorcycles, we had
people on foot.

920
00:23:37,875 --> 00:23:40,169
we had motorcycles, we had
people on foot.

921
00:23:40,210 --> 00:23:40,210
I had a psychic call me.

922
00:23:40,252 --> 00:23:42,963
I had a psychic call me.

923
00:23:43,005 --> 00:23:43,005
She came down.

924
00:23:43,047 --> 00:23:44,506
She came down.

925
00:23:44,548 --> 00:23:44,548
"I think I can help you out. I think
I'm getting messages from Jo Lynn."

926
00:23:44,590 --> 00:23:49,803
"I think I can help you out. I think
I'm getting messages from Jo Lynn."

927
00:23:49,845 --> 00:23:49,845
She was given a personal
possession of Jo Lynn's.

928
00:23:49,887 --> 00:23:53,057
She was given a personal
possession of Jo Lynn's.

929
00:23:53,098 --> 00:23:53,098
She was saying, "It's
just, it's dark.

930
00:23:53,140 --> 00:23:57,061
She was saying, "It's
just, it's dark.

931
00:23:57,102 --> 00:23:57,102
Maybe like a well or something."

932
00:23:57,144 --> 00:23:59,521
Maybe like a well or something."

933
00:23:59,563 --> 00:23:59,563
Let's starts looking
for abandoned wells.

934
00:23:59,605 --> 00:24:01,732
Let's starts looking
for abandoned wells.

935
00:24:01,774 --> 00:24:01,774
And we got information on a couple
of 'em that had been covered

936
00:24:01,815 --> 00:24:04,151
And we got information on a couple
of 'em that had been covered

937
00:24:04,193 --> 00:24:04,193
or filled in so, we went
out, we checked them.

938
00:24:04,234 --> 00:24:06,362
or filled in so, we went
out, we checked them.

939
00:24:06,403 --> 00:24:06,403
We never found a body.

940
00:24:06,445 --> 00:24:07,988
We never found a body.

941
00:24:09,782 --> 00:24:09,782
Jo Lynn's body is never recovered,
making a murder charge impossible.

942
00:24:09,823 --> 00:24:14,995
Jo Lynn's body is never recovered,
making a murder charge impossible.

943
00:24:15,037 --> 00:24:15,037
Faelyn is brought to court indicted
on the lesser charge of kidnapping

944
00:24:15,079 --> 00:24:19,208
Faelyn is brought to court indicted
on the lesser charge of kidnapping

945
00:24:19,249 --> 00:24:19,249
and the Smith family is devastated.

946
00:24:19,291 --> 00:24:22,127
and the Smith family is devastated.

947
00:24:22,169 --> 00:24:22,169
I think that's probably the first
time

948
00:24:22,211 --> 00:24:23,754
I think that's probably the first
time

949
00:24:23,796 --> 00:24:23,796
{\an8}my father ever missed a wrestling
match,

950
00:24:23,837 --> 00:24:25,923
{\an8}my father ever missed a wrestling
match,

951
00:24:25,965 --> 00:24:25,965
{\an8}was when my sister was kidnapped.

952
00:24:26,006 --> 00:24:28,300
{\an8}was when my sister was kidnapped.

953
00:24:28,342 --> 00:24:28,342
He went to the trial.
I didn't go to the trial.

954
00:24:28,384 --> 00:24:31,637
He went to the trial.
I didn't go to the trial.

955
00:24:31,679 --> 00:24:31,679
I was medicating myself,
trying to pass out every day.

956
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,599
I was medicating myself,
trying to pass out every day.

957
00:24:35,641 --> 00:24:35,641
The only information we got
was through dad

958
00:24:35,683 --> 00:24:38,060
The only information we got
was through dad

959
00:24:38,102 --> 00:24:38,102
because we weren't allowed to go to
court, and he just said, "No,

960
00:24:38,143 --> 00:24:41,704
because we weren't allowed to go to
court, and he just said, "No,

961
00:24:41,746 --> 00:24:41,746
you're not going to court."

962
00:24:41,751 --> 00:24:42,815
you're not going to court."

963
00:24:42,856 --> 00:24:42,856
And that was that.

964
00:24:42,898 --> 00:24:44,608
And that was that.

965
00:24:44,650 --> 00:24:44,650
It's amazing that the evidence was
overwhelming, but without the body

966
00:24:44,692 --> 00:24:49,196
It's amazing that the evidence was
overwhelming, but without the body

967
00:24:49,238 --> 00:24:49,238
and without somebody to say,
"I saw her kill her"...

968
00:24:49,279 --> 00:24:53,867
and without somebody to say,
"I saw her kill her"...

969
00:24:55,035 --> 00:24:55,035
She got convicted of aggravated
kidnapping, got 33 years.

970
00:24:55,077 --> 00:24:57,788
She got convicted of aggravated
kidnapping, got 33 years.

971
00:24:57,830 --> 00:24:57,830
I think she served seven.

972
00:24:57,871 --> 00:25:00,082
I think she served seven.

973
00:25:00,124 --> 00:25:00,124
Dad used to carry a piano
string in his hand.

974
00:25:00,165 --> 00:25:02,251
Dad used to carry a piano
string in his hand.

975
00:25:02,292 --> 00:25:02,292
You'd take a piano string and two
pieces of wood

976
00:25:02,334 --> 00:25:04,169
You'd take a piano string and two
pieces of wood

977
00:25:04,211 --> 00:25:04,211
and hold it in your hand.

978
00:25:04,253 --> 00:25:05,337
and hold it in your hand.

979
00:25:05,379 --> 00:25:05,379
He was hoping to get
close enough to her,

980
00:25:05,421 --> 00:25:06,880
He was hoping to get
close enough to her,

981
00:25:06,922 --> 00:25:06,922
supposedly, is what I been told,

982
00:25:06,964 --> 00:25:08,632
supposedly, is what I been told,

983
00:25:08,674 --> 00:25:08,674
he was wanting to get close enough
to her

984
00:25:08,716 --> 00:25:11,135
he was wanting to get close enough
to her

985
00:25:11,176 --> 00:25:11,176
to where he could be able to do that,
and it would kill her.

986
00:25:11,218 --> 00:25:14,763
to where he could be able to do that,
and it would kill her.

987
00:25:14,805 --> 00:25:14,805
I was told that it was four
sheriffs in front, in back,

988
00:25:14,847 --> 00:25:17,433
I was told that it was four
sheriffs in front, in back,

989
00:25:17,474 --> 00:25:17,474
and on the sides
because dad was so large.

990
00:25:17,516 --> 00:25:20,227
and on the sides
because dad was so large.

991
00:25:20,269 --> 00:25:20,269
And they knew with a man that large,

992
00:25:20,310 --> 00:25:22,229
And they knew with a man that large,

993
00:25:22,271 --> 00:25:22,271
once he was mad, it was gonna be
hell to pay.

994
00:25:22,312 --> 00:25:25,065
once he was mad, it was gonna be
hell to pay.

995
00:25:27,943 --> 00:25:27,943
Well, they say murder's hard to
prove. How can you prove murder?

996
00:25:27,985 --> 00:25:31,155
Well, they say murder's hard to
prove. How can you prove murder?

997
00:25:31,196 --> 00:25:31,196
Go back to the story.

998
00:25:31,238 --> 00:25:32,406
Go back to the story.

999
00:25:32,448 --> 00:25:32,448
She works at a place
that has an incinerator.

1000
00:25:32,489 --> 00:25:34,116
She works at a place
that has an incinerator.

1001
00:25:34,158 --> 00:25:34,158
I believe that that's
where they took her.

1002
00:25:34,199 --> 00:25:38,746
I believe that that's
where they took her.

1003
00:25:38,787 --> 00:25:38,787
Whether she was conscious,
unconscious, or even dead.

1004
00:25:38,829 --> 00:25:41,331
Whether she was conscious,
unconscious, or even dead.

1005
00:25:41,373 --> 00:25:41,373
I think she found her way
to the incinerator.

1006
00:25:41,415 --> 00:25:43,625
I think she found her way
to the incinerator.

1007
00:25:43,667 --> 00:25:43,667
And there's no evidence,
it's all gone.

1008
00:25:43,709 --> 00:25:46,295
And there's no evidence,
it's all gone.

1009
00:25:47,755 --> 00:25:47,755
I just started thinking that,
who would have the most to lose here?

1010
00:25:47,796 --> 00:25:51,842
I just started thinking that,
who would have the most to lose here?

1011
00:25:51,884 --> 00:25:51,884
What's the reason to get rid of her?

1012
00:25:51,925 --> 00:25:55,012
What's the reason to get rid of her?

1013
00:25:55,054 --> 00:25:55,054
I thought, well, I mean, somebody
who's got a lot to lose would be dad.

1014
00:25:55,095 --> 00:25:59,433
I thought, well, I mean, somebody
who's got a lot to lose would be dad.

1015
00:25:59,475 --> 00:25:59,475
If she was gonna expose him,
you know, with the young girls and,

1016
00:25:59,516 --> 00:26:03,520
If she was gonna expose him,
you know, with the young girls and,

1017
00:26:03,562 --> 00:26:03,562
you know, it would cost him his,
his career and, so yeah,

1018
00:26:03,604 --> 00:26:06,690
you know, it would cost him his,
his career and, so yeah,

1019
00:26:06,732 --> 00:26:06,732
I kind of question that.

1020
00:26:06,774 --> 00:26:08,734
I kind of question that.

1021
00:26:08,776 --> 00:26:08,776
Richard really wanted to go
to Unsolved Mysteries

1022
00:26:08,817 --> 00:26:11,695
Richard really wanted to go
to Unsolved Mysteries

1023
00:26:11,737 --> 00:26:11,737
and dad actually told him he
didn't want him to.

1024
00:26:11,779 --> 00:26:14,823
and dad actually told him he
didn't want him to.

1025
00:26:14,865 --> 00:26:14,865
We're going, "Why in the world
wouldn't you want that?

1026
00:26:14,907 --> 00:26:17,117
We're going, "Why in the world
wouldn't you want that?

1027
00:26:17,159 --> 00:26:17,159
They solve, they actually
solve murders."

1028
00:26:17,201 --> 00:26:19,745
They solve, they actually
solve murders."

1029
00:26:19,787 --> 00:26:19,787
Dad was against it.

1030
00:26:19,828 --> 00:26:21,121
Dad was against it.

1031
00:26:21,163 --> 00:26:21,163
So, you know, that throws
in more suspicion there.

1032
00:26:21,205 --> 00:26:24,708
So, you know, that throws
in more suspicion there.

1033
00:26:24,750 --> 00:26:24,750
Yeah, there's a wild thought. Did dad
have something to do with it?

1034
00:26:24,792 --> 00:26:27,336
Yeah, there's a wild thought. Did dad
have something to do with it?

1035
00:26:27,377 --> 00:26:27,377
Was he involved? I don't know.

1036
00:26:27,419 --> 00:26:29,838
Was he involved? I don't know.

1037
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:29,880
You could bring up a thousand
questions on the whole ordeal.

1038
00:26:29,922 --> 00:26:33,467
You could bring up a thousand
questions on the whole ordeal.

1039
00:26:33,509 --> 00:26:33,509
I wish I could say, "Man,
I walked in there, I seen my dad,

1040
00:26:33,550 --> 00:26:36,011
I wish I could say, "Man,
I walked in there, I seen my dad,

1041
00:26:36,053 --> 00:26:36,053
he was just bawling his eyes out.
It tore him to shreds."

1042
00:26:36,095 --> 00:26:39,473
he was just bawling his eyes out.
It tore him to shreds."

1043
00:26:39,515 --> 00:26:39,515
I never saw it.

1044
00:26:39,556 --> 00:26:40,557
I never saw it.

1045
00:26:41,809 --> 00:26:41,809
Although a conviction is made
for the kidnapping of Jo Lynn Smith,

1046
00:26:41,850 --> 00:26:45,938
Although a conviction is made
for the kidnapping of Jo Lynn Smith,

1047
00:26:45,979 --> 00:26:45,979
Jake "The Snake" Roberts
and his siblings struggle to cope

1048
00:26:46,021 --> 00:26:49,358
Jake "The Snake" Roberts
and his siblings struggle to cope

1049
00:26:49,399 --> 00:26:49,399
with the tragic loss
of their sister.

1050
00:26:49,441 --> 00:26:52,778
with the tragic loss
of their sister.

1051
00:27:00,327 --> 00:27:00,327
{\an8}Oh, yeah, the hate.

1052
00:27:00,369 --> 00:27:01,662
{\an8}Oh, yeah, the hate.

1053
00:27:02,871 --> 00:27:02,871
{\an8}I, I use the hate a lot, man.

1054
00:27:02,913 --> 00:27:05,165
{\an8}I, I use the hate a lot, man.

1055
00:27:05,207 --> 00:27:05,207
Thank you, dad. (Spits)

1056
00:27:05,249 --> 00:27:07,000
Thank you, dad. (Spits)

1057
00:27:07,042 --> 00:27:07,042
The whole Snake character was made

1058
00:27:07,084 --> 00:27:09,211
The whole Snake character was made

1059
00:27:09,253 --> 00:27:09,253
because I didn't want
people looking at me.

1060
00:27:09,294 --> 00:27:12,673
because I didn't want
people looking at me.

1061
00:27:12,714 --> 00:27:12,714
Look at the snake bag,
don't look at me.

1062
00:27:12,756 --> 00:27:15,384
Look at the snake bag,
don't look at me.

1063
00:27:15,425 --> 00:27:15,425
Don't ask me questions,
look at the snake bag.

1064
00:27:15,467 --> 00:27:17,511
Don't ask me questions,
look at the snake bag.

1065
00:27:17,553 --> 00:27:17,553
And everybody fears that,
everybody knows that.

1066
00:27:17,594 --> 00:27:19,888
And everybody fears that,
everybody knows that.

1067
00:27:19,930 --> 00:27:19,930
Kids loved it because mom and dad
went, "Oh, my god, a snake!"

1068
00:27:19,972 --> 00:27:22,891
Kids loved it because mom and dad
went, "Oh, my god, a snake!"

1069
00:27:22,933 --> 00:27:22,933
And they loved seeing
mom and dad do that,

1070
00:27:22,975 --> 00:27:25,185
And they loved seeing
mom and dad do that,

1071
00:27:25,227 --> 00:27:25,227
you know, so, therefore,
they loved Jake "The Snake".

1072
00:27:25,269 --> 00:27:28,856
you know, so, therefore,
they loved Jake "The Snake".

1073
00:27:28,897 --> 00:27:28,897
Crazy people.

1074
00:27:28,939 --> 00:27:29,898
Crazy people.

1075
00:27:31,483 --> 00:27:31,483
As Jake's stardom continues
to reach new heights,

1076
00:27:31,525 --> 00:27:34,862
As Jake's stardom continues
to reach new heights,

1077
00:27:34,903 --> 00:27:34,903
Robin seizes the opportunity
to pursue a career in wrestling.

1078
00:27:34,945 --> 00:27:38,991
Robin seizes the opportunity
to pursue a career in wrestling.

1079
00:27:39,032 --> 00:27:39,032
I went to North Carolina and trained
with Nelson Royal who...

1080
00:27:39,074 --> 00:27:43,829
I went to North Carolina and trained
with Nelson Royal who...

1081
00:27:43,871 --> 00:27:43,871
Was a fabulous wrestler and...

1082
00:27:43,912 --> 00:27:46,248
Was a fabulous wrestler and...

1083
00:27:46,290 --> 00:27:46,290
A legend.

1084
00:27:46,331 --> 00:27:48,000
A legend.

1085
00:27:48,041 --> 00:27:48,041
{\an8}And Nelson trained her
like one of the guys.

1086
00:27:48,083 --> 00:27:51,378
{\an8}And Nelson trained her
like one of the guys.

1087
00:27:51,420 --> 00:27:51,420
Wow, OK.

1088
00:27:51,461 --> 00:27:52,588
Wow, OK.

1089
00:27:53,964 --> 00:27:53,964
I wanted to change things.

1090
00:27:54,006 --> 00:27:55,716
I wanted to change things.

1091
00:27:55,757 --> 00:27:55,757
I wanted the girls' matches
to be just as exciting,

1092
00:27:55,799 --> 00:28:00,679
I wanted the girls' matches
to be just as exciting,

1093
00:28:00,721 --> 00:28:00,721
you know, if they
could, as the guys'.

1094
00:28:00,762 --> 00:28:03,182
you know, if they
could, as the guys'.

1095
00:28:03,223 --> 00:28:03,223
I mean, why not?

1096
00:28:03,265 --> 00:28:04,933
I mean, why not?

1097
00:28:04,975 --> 00:28:04,975
When Robin completes her training,
she uses her father's connections

1098
00:28:05,017 --> 00:28:08,604
When Robin completes her training,
she uses her father's connections

1099
00:28:08,645 --> 00:28:08,645
to show off her skills at a WWF TV
taping,

1100
00:28:08,687 --> 00:28:11,565
to show off her skills at a WWF TV
taping,

1101
00:28:11,607 --> 00:28:11,607
and she catches the attention of top
promoter, Vince McMahon.

1102
00:28:11,648 --> 00:28:16,612
and she catches the attention of top
promoter, Vince McMahon.

1103
00:28:16,653 --> 00:28:16,653
So, they put me on a dark
match with Sherri.

1104
00:28:16,695 --> 00:28:19,072
So, they put me on a dark
match with Sherri.

1105
00:28:19,114 --> 00:28:19,114
I couldn't tell you
how long it lasted.

1106
00:28:19,156 --> 00:28:20,782
I couldn't tell you
how long it lasted.

1107
00:28:20,824 --> 00:28:20,824
I mean, it was, it's a complete,
total blur, to this day.

1108
00:28:20,866 --> 00:28:23,911
I mean, it was, it's a complete,
total blur, to this day.

1109
00:28:23,952 --> 00:28:23,952
I have no idea what happened.

1110
00:28:23,994 --> 00:28:26,788
I have no idea what happened.

1111
00:28:26,830 --> 00:28:26,830
All I know is that when I got out,
Mr McMahon had said,

1112
00:28:26,872 --> 00:28:30,167
All I know is that when I got out,
Mr McMahon had said,

1113
00:28:30,209 --> 00:28:30,209
"Oh, my, my god, she throws
a punch like a guy."

1114
00:28:30,250 --> 00:28:33,295
"Oh, my, my god, she throws
a punch like a guy."

1115
00:28:33,337 --> 00:28:33,337
And, I was like, cool, alright.

1116
00:28:33,378 --> 00:28:35,547
And, I was like, cool, alright.

1117
00:28:35,589 --> 00:28:35,589
And then, the next thing I know,
I get the package in the mail

1118
00:28:35,631 --> 00:28:38,884
And then, the next thing I know,
I get the package in the mail

1119
00:28:38,926 --> 00:28:38,926
at my house that is airline tickets
and schedule and all that,

1120
00:28:38,967 --> 00:28:43,305
at my house that is airline tickets
and schedule and all that,

1121
00:28:43,347 --> 00:28:43,347
and I was like, wow.

1122
00:28:43,388 --> 00:28:45,182
and I was like, wow.

1123
00:28:45,224 --> 00:28:45,224
You know, it was a,
it was a total surprise.

1124
00:28:45,265 --> 00:28:47,976
You know, it was a,
it was a total surprise.

1125
00:28:48,018 --> 00:28:48,018
{\an8}...Don't count your
chickens before they--

1126
00:28:48,060 --> 00:28:50,354
{\an8}...Don't count your
chickens before they--

1127
00:28:50,395 --> 00:28:50,395
There's a bull dog off the top rope!

1128
00:28:50,437 --> 00:28:52,356
There's a bull dog off the top rope!

1129
00:28:52,397 --> 00:28:52,397
A bulldog!

1130
00:28:52,439 --> 00:28:53,815
A bulldog!

1131
00:28:53,857 --> 00:28:53,857
Turns her over!

1132
00:28:53,899 --> 00:28:55,108
Turns her over!

1133
00:28:55,150 --> 00:28:55,150
She got her!

1134
00:28:55,192 --> 00:28:57,027
She got her!

1135
00:28:57,069 --> 00:28:57,069
No, I don't believe!

1136
00:28:57,110 --> 00:28:58,403
No, I don't believe!

1137
00:28:58,445 --> 00:28:58,445
(Cheering) History has been made,
here in Paris, France!

1138
00:28:58,487 --> 00:29:02,199
(Cheering) History has been made,
here in Paris, France!

1139
00:29:02,241 --> 00:29:02,241
{\an8}At the time, they had Grizz, Sam,
Robin, and Jake were all working

1140
00:29:02,282 --> 00:29:07,371
{\an8}At the time, they had Grizz, Sam,
Robin, and Jake were all working

1141
00:29:07,412 --> 00:29:07,412
{\an8}for the WWE at the time.

1142
00:29:07,454 --> 00:29:09,122
{\an8}for the WWE at the time.

1143
00:29:11,041 --> 00:29:11,041
In wrestling, the best compliment
that you can be given

1144
00:29:11,083 --> 00:29:15,545
In wrestling, the best compliment
that you can be given

1145
00:29:15,587 --> 00:29:15,587
{\an8}is that somebody would say,
"You're a hell of a hand."

1146
00:29:15,629 --> 00:29:17,422
{\an8}is that somebody would say,
"You're a hell of a hand."

1147
00:29:17,464 --> 00:29:17,464
{\an8}You're a good worker.

1148
00:29:17,506 --> 00:29:19,633
{\an8}You're a good worker.

1149
00:29:19,675 --> 00:29:19,675
That means that you can not only
perform pro wrestling

1150
00:29:19,716 --> 00:29:22,844
That means that you can not only
perform pro wrestling

1151
00:29:22,886 --> 00:29:22,886
at a high level, but you can do it
without hurting your opponent.

1152
00:29:22,928 --> 00:29:26,223
at a high level, but you can do it
without hurting your opponent.

1153
00:29:26,265 --> 00:29:26,265
And, Sam Houston was the best
worker in the family.

1154
00:29:26,306 --> 00:29:28,767
And, Sam Houston was the best
worker in the family.

1155
00:29:28,809 --> 00:29:28,809
He was the lightest.

1156
00:29:28,850 --> 00:29:30,143
He was the lightest.

1157
00:29:30,185 --> 00:29:30,185
He was actually too light,
he was painfully thin.

1158
00:29:30,227 --> 00:29:32,646
He was actually too light,
he was painfully thin.

1159
00:29:32,688 --> 00:29:32,688
And that was what held him
back from being used

1160
00:29:32,729 --> 00:29:35,524
And that was what held him
back from being used

1161
00:29:35,565 --> 00:29:35,565
in a more prominent position.

1162
00:29:35,607 --> 00:29:37,484
in a more prominent position.

1163
00:29:37,526 --> 00:29:37,526
Especially in the bigger
territories, Crocket Promotions,

1164
00:29:37,567 --> 00:29:40,195
Especially in the bigger
territories, Crocket Promotions,

1165
00:29:40,237 --> 00:29:40,237
the NWA...

1166
00:29:40,279 --> 00:29:41,238
the NWA...

1167
00:29:43,115 --> 00:29:43,115
{\an8}Poor Sam Houston.

1168
00:29:43,156 --> 00:29:44,741
{\an8}Poor Sam Houston.

1169
00:29:44,783 --> 00:29:44,783
Unfortunately, Mike was like a lot
of the other wrestlers.

1170
00:29:44,825 --> 00:29:48,078
Unfortunately, Mike was like a lot
of the other wrestlers.

1171
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:48,120
{\an8}He got to make good money and stuff,
was doing good, and then...

1172
00:29:48,161 --> 00:29:51,164
{\an8}He got to make good money and stuff,
was doing good, and then...

1173
00:29:51,206 --> 00:29:51,206
{\an8}Went to drinking.

1174
00:29:51,248 --> 00:29:52,416
{\an8}Went to drinking.

1175
00:29:58,463 --> 00:29:58,463
Um...

1176
00:29:58,505 --> 00:29:59,965
Um...

1177
00:30:00,007 --> 00:30:00,007
Listen-- whenever he told my dad
that we were getting married,

1178
00:30:00,048 --> 00:30:03,176
Listen-- whenever he told my dad
that we were getting married,

1179
00:30:03,218 --> 00:30:03,218
he had 32 Crown and Cokes.

1180
00:30:03,260 --> 00:30:05,345
he had 32 Crown and Cokes.

1181
00:30:07,889 --> 00:30:07,889
32.

1182
00:30:07,931 --> 00:30:09,641
32.

1183
00:30:09,683 --> 00:30:09,683
It was amazing how much he could
drink and still be able to walk.

1184
00:30:09,725 --> 00:30:14,062
It was amazing how much he could
drink and still be able to walk.

1185
00:30:16,732 --> 00:30:16,732
At the time, I thought
I would love him enough that it

1186
00:30:16,773 --> 00:30:19,943
At the time, I thought
I would love him enough that it

1187
00:30:19,985 --> 00:30:19,985
would get better and it wouldn't
matter and that my love

1188
00:30:20,027 --> 00:30:22,321
would get better and it wouldn't
matter and that my love

1189
00:30:22,362 --> 00:30:22,362
could conquer all, and...

1190
00:30:22,404 --> 00:30:23,989
could conquer all, and...

1191
00:30:24,031 --> 00:30:24,031
It didn't.

1192
00:30:24,072 --> 00:30:25,782
It didn't.

1193
00:30:25,824 --> 00:30:25,824
I just realised that it wasn't me.

1194
00:30:25,866 --> 00:30:27,868
I just realised that it wasn't me.

1195
00:30:27,909 --> 00:30:27,909
There was nothing I could have done.

1196
00:30:27,951 --> 00:30:30,329
There was nothing I could have done.

1197
00:30:30,370 --> 00:30:30,370
Addictive personality must run
through our entire family.

1198
00:30:30,412 --> 00:30:33,999
Addictive personality must run
through our entire family.

1199
00:30:34,041 --> 00:30:34,041
I mean, seriously.

1200
00:30:34,082 --> 00:30:35,584
I mean, seriously.

1201
00:30:35,625 --> 00:30:35,625
Because they're very
strong addictions.

1202
00:30:35,667 --> 00:30:39,421
Because they're very
strong addictions.

1203
00:30:39,463 --> 00:30:39,463
You have to find ways to put that
self-respect back into yourself.

1204
00:30:39,504 --> 00:30:46,803
You have to find ways to put that
self-respect back into yourself.

1205
00:30:49,598 --> 00:30:49,598
After years of living on her own,

1206
00:30:49,639 --> 00:30:51,308
After years of living on her own,

1207
00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:51,350
Robin gets a surprise visit
from her father, Grizzly.

1208
00:30:51,391 --> 00:30:53,894
Robin gets a surprise visit
from her father, Grizzly.

1209
00:30:53,935 --> 00:30:53,935
The bell rings and, I got to open it
up and I see him standing there.

1210
00:30:53,977 --> 00:30:58,774
The bell rings and, I got to open it
up and I see him standing there.

1211
00:30:58,815 --> 00:30:58,815
And, right by his side, this little
girl, about nine years old.

1212
00:30:58,857 --> 00:31:04,488
And, right by his side, this little
girl, about nine years old.

1213
00:31:06,740 --> 00:31:06,740
I could tell you, the colour,
everything just drained from my body

1214
00:31:06,782 --> 00:31:12,329
I could tell you, the colour,
everything just drained from my body

1215
00:31:12,371 --> 00:31:12,371
and I knew for sure this
girl was in trouble.

1216
00:31:12,412 --> 00:31:16,458
and I knew for sure this
girl was in trouble.

1217
00:31:16,500 --> 00:31:16,500
So, he comes in and the first thing
he says,

1218
00:31:16,541 --> 00:31:19,628
So, he comes in and the first thing
he says,

1219
00:31:19,669 --> 00:31:19,669
"Can you make her a daiquiri?

1220
00:31:19,711 --> 00:31:22,506
"Can you make her a daiquiri?

1221
00:31:22,547 --> 00:31:22,547
Do you have the stuff
to make her a daiquiri?

1222
00:31:22,589 --> 00:31:24,674
Do you have the stuff
to make her a daiquiri?

1223
00:31:24,716 --> 00:31:24,716
She wants to try daiquiris."

1224
00:31:24,758 --> 00:31:26,426
She wants to try daiquiris."

1225
00:31:26,468 --> 00:31:26,468
It took everything just not
to absolutely come apart

1226
00:31:26,510 --> 00:31:30,055
It took everything just not
to absolutely come apart

1227
00:31:30,097 --> 00:31:30,097
and come unglued.

1228
00:31:30,138 --> 00:31:31,556
and come unglued.

1229
00:31:31,598 --> 00:31:31,598
And, I said, "No, I don't."

1230
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,934
And, I said, "No, I don't."

1231
00:31:33,975 --> 00:31:33,975
Shortly after, he went
to the back and he went to bed.

1232
00:31:34,017 --> 00:31:37,354
Shortly after, he went
to the back and he went to bed.

1233
00:31:37,396 --> 00:31:37,396
I stayed up with her all night.
We never went to sleep.

1234
00:31:37,437 --> 00:31:40,148
I stayed up with her all night.
We never went to sleep.

1235
00:31:40,190 --> 00:31:40,190
And, I wanted to ask questions
and I knew what questions to ask.

1236
00:31:40,232 --> 00:31:44,152
And, I wanted to ask questions
and I knew what questions to ask.

1237
00:31:44,194 --> 00:31:44,194
I said, you know, "Sometimes,
does he pull off to the side

1238
00:31:44,236 --> 00:31:46,822
I said, you know, "Sometimes,
does he pull off to the side

1239
00:31:46,863 --> 00:31:46,863
of the road and want
to give you a kiss?"

1240
00:31:46,905 --> 00:31:49,157
of the road and want
to give you a kiss?"

1241
00:31:49,199 --> 00:31:49,199
And she said, "Yeah."

1242
00:31:49,241 --> 00:31:50,742
And she said, "Yeah."

1243
00:31:50,784 --> 00:31:50,784
It didn't scare her, but,
I mean, she was like,

1244
00:31:50,826 --> 00:31:53,787
It didn't scare her, but,
I mean, she was like,

1245
00:31:53,829 --> 00:31:53,829
"But yeah, it makes
me uncomfortable."

1246
00:31:53,870 --> 00:31:56,832
"But yeah, it makes
me uncomfortable."

1247
00:31:56,873 --> 00:31:56,873
He got up the next morning,
got all his things together

1248
00:31:56,915 --> 00:31:59,459
He got up the next morning,
got all his things together

1249
00:31:59,501 --> 00:31:59,501
and said, "Come on,
we gotta go," and I said,

1250
00:31:59,543 --> 00:32:01,837
and said, "Come on,
we gotta go," and I said,

1251
00:32:01,878 --> 00:32:01,878
"You're gonna go, but she's
not going anywhere.

1252
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,756
"You're gonna go, but she's
not going anywhere.

1253
00:32:04,798 --> 00:32:04,798
She's staying right here."

1254
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:06,383
She's staying right here."

1255
00:32:06,425 --> 00:32:06,425
I was not letting this
girl go anywhere.

1256
00:32:06,466 --> 00:32:09,594
I was not letting this
girl go anywhere.

1257
00:32:09,636 --> 00:32:09,636
I think that told him everything
he needed to know about how I felt.

1258
00:32:09,678 --> 00:32:14,495
I think that told him everything
he needed to know about how I felt.

1259
00:32:15,809 --> 00:32:15,809
Reeling from the traumas endured
in their adolescence,

1260
00:32:15,851 --> 00:32:18,854
Reeling from the traumas endured
in their adolescence,

1261
00:32:18,895 --> 00:32:18,895
Jake, Robin, and Sam each battle
addiction into adulthood.

1262
00:32:18,937 --> 00:32:23,150
Jake, Robin, and Sam each battle
addiction into adulthood.

1263
00:32:23,191 --> 00:32:23,191
But for Sam, the consequences become
a matter of life or death.

1264
00:32:23,233 --> 00:32:27,904
But for Sam, the consequences become
a matter of life or death.

1265
00:32:27,946 --> 00:32:27,946
Sam Houston had the all-time Texas
state record for most DUI offences.

1266
00:32:27,988 --> 00:32:33,452
Sam Houston had the all-time Texas
state record for most DUI offences.

1267
00:32:33,493 --> 00:32:33,493
And, the reason why that he was not
jailed for them

1268
00:32:33,535 --> 00:32:36,538
And, the reason why that he was not
jailed for them

1269
00:32:36,580 --> 00:32:36,580
{\an8}long before that he was,

1270
00:32:36,621 --> 00:32:38,331
{\an8}long before that he was,

1271
00:32:38,373 --> 00:32:38,373
{\an8}was because Grizzly Smith had been
such a big name

1272
00:32:38,415 --> 00:32:42,085
{\an8}was because Grizzly Smith had been
such a big name

1273
00:32:42,127 --> 00:32:42,127
and such an important person,

1274
00:32:42,169 --> 00:32:43,920
and such an important person,

1275
00:32:43,962 --> 00:32:43,962
and knew so many people in the state
of Texas over all those years

1276
00:32:44,004 --> 00:32:48,258
and knew so many people in the state
of Texas over all those years

1277
00:32:48,300 --> 00:32:48,300
and etcetera, that he was able
to get him out of it.

1278
00:32:48,341 --> 00:32:50,510
and etcetera, that he was able
to get him out of it.

1279
00:32:50,552 --> 00:32:50,552
He never spent more than a day
or two in jail before.

1280
00:32:50,594 --> 00:32:52,888
He never spent more than a day
or two in jail before.

1281
00:32:52,929 --> 00:32:52,929
{\an8}Grizz was right there and got him
out 'cause he knew somebody.

1282
00:32:52,971 --> 00:32:55,640
{\an8}Grizz was right there and got him
out 'cause he knew somebody.

1283
00:32:55,682 --> 00:32:55,682
And Grizz just knew everybody,

1284
00:32:55,724 --> 00:32:57,392
And Grizz just knew everybody,

1285
00:32:57,434 --> 00:32:57,434
and I think he knew
something about everybody.

1286
00:32:57,476 --> 00:33:00,395
and I think he knew
something about everybody.

1287
00:33:06,860 --> 00:33:06,860
{\an8}I really don't know 'cause, I mean,
everything I was ever charged

1288
00:33:06,902 --> 00:33:10,989
{\an8}I really don't know 'cause, I mean,
everything I was ever charged

1289
00:33:11,031 --> 00:33:11,031
with was only first,
or first offence, or I think--

1290
00:33:11,072 --> 00:33:13,950
with was only first,
or first offence, or I think--

1291
00:33:13,992 --> 00:33:13,992
and I got a second offence.

1292
00:33:14,034 --> 00:33:15,869
and I got a second offence.

1293
00:33:15,911 --> 00:33:15,911
It was basically always a fine that
I'd have to pay and,

1294
00:33:15,952 --> 00:33:18,955
It was basically always a fine that
I'd have to pay and,

1295
00:33:18,997 --> 00:33:18,997
you know, community service.

1296
00:33:19,039 --> 00:33:20,999
you know, community service.

1297
00:33:21,041 --> 00:33:21,041
Any time I was doing any,
anything like that, any kind

1298
00:33:21,082 --> 00:33:23,793
Any time I was doing any,
anything like that, any kind

1299
00:33:23,835 --> 00:33:23,835
of community service,
I always gave it my all.

1300
00:33:23,877 --> 00:33:27,172
of community service,
I always gave it my all.

1301
00:33:27,214 --> 00:33:27,214
I washed seven fire trucks one day
for the parade, you know.

1302
00:33:27,255 --> 00:33:31,343
I washed seven fire trucks one day
for the parade, you know.

1303
00:33:31,384 --> 00:33:31,384
After years of shocking repeat
offences and lenient punishments,

1304
00:33:31,426 --> 00:33:36,014
After years of shocking repeat
offences and lenient punishments,

1305
00:33:36,056 --> 00:33:36,056
Sam's luck has run out.

1306
00:33:36,097 --> 00:33:38,350
Sam's luck has run out.

1307
00:33:38,391 --> 00:33:38,391
Grizzly is unable to come
to his rescue,

1308
00:33:38,433 --> 00:33:41,144
Grizzly is unable to come
to his rescue,

1309
00:33:41,186 --> 00:33:41,186
and Sam is ultimately sent to prison.

1310
00:33:41,228 --> 00:33:44,189
and Sam is ultimately sent to prison.

1311
00:33:44,231 --> 00:33:44,231
If they caught you doing
something 20-something times,

1312
00:33:44,272 --> 00:33:47,567
If they caught you doing
something 20-something times,

1313
00:33:47,609 --> 00:33:47,609
how many times have
you really done it?

1314
00:33:47,651 --> 00:33:50,487
how many times have
you really done it?

1315
00:33:50,529 --> 00:33:50,529
Right?

1316
00:33:50,570 --> 00:33:52,322
Right?

1317
00:33:52,364 --> 00:33:52,364
The Mothers Against Drunk Driving
had gotten his record,

1318
00:33:52,405 --> 00:33:54,991
The Mothers Against Drunk Driving
had gotten his record,

1319
00:33:55,033 --> 00:33:55,033
and had seen, like, all the judges

1320
00:33:55,075 --> 00:33:57,077
and had seen, like, all the judges

1321
00:33:57,118 --> 00:33:57,118
and all the magistrates that had
gotten Sam off.

1322
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,622
and all the magistrates that had
gotten Sam off.

1323
00:34:00,664 --> 00:34:00,664
Finally, he did have to go to jail.

1324
00:34:00,705 --> 00:34:03,792
Finally, he did have to go to jail.

1325
00:34:03,833 --> 00:34:03,833
They're telling me 30 years.

1326
00:34:03,875 --> 00:34:06,002
They're telling me 30 years.

1327
00:34:06,044 --> 00:34:06,044
I, I was at the end of my rope.

1328
00:34:06,086 --> 00:34:08,964
I, I was at the end of my rope.

1329
00:34:09,005 --> 00:34:09,005
So, two days, January 12,
two days, a Saturday night...

1330
00:34:09,047 --> 00:34:13,510
So, two days, January 12,
two days, a Saturday night...

1331
00:34:15,136 --> 00:34:15,136
I knew I had to break
my neck when I jumped.

1332
00:34:15,178 --> 00:34:18,682
I knew I had to break
my neck when I jumped.

1333
00:34:18,723 --> 00:34:18,723
I said, "God, only
you can stop this."

1334
00:34:18,765 --> 00:34:22,602
I said, "God, only
you can stop this."

1335
00:34:22,644 --> 00:34:22,644
And... And I jumped.

1336
00:34:22,686 --> 00:34:25,897
And... And I jumped.

1337
00:34:25,939 --> 00:34:25,939
I'm gonna tell y'all,
I hit the ground with such force.

1338
00:34:25,981 --> 00:34:29,651
I'm gonna tell y'all,
I hit the ground with such force.

1339
00:34:29,693 --> 00:34:29,693
The soles of my feet
were bruised for weeks.

1340
00:34:29,734 --> 00:34:33,530
The soles of my feet
were bruised for weeks.

1341
00:34:35,282 --> 00:34:35,282
I know how to tie a knot.
These knots broke.

1342
00:34:35,323 --> 00:34:38,034
I know how to tie a knot.
These knots broke.

1343
00:34:39,911 --> 00:34:39,911
Meanwhile, Jake spirals deeper
into new depths of drug

1344
00:34:39,953 --> 00:34:43,582
Meanwhile, Jake spirals deeper
into new depths of drug

1345
00:34:43,623 --> 00:34:43,623
and alcohol fuelled addictions.

1346
00:34:43,665 --> 00:34:46,251
and alcohol fuelled addictions.

1347
00:34:46,293 --> 00:34:46,293
I'm not gonna sugar coat this.

1348
00:34:46,334 --> 00:34:47,502
I'm not gonna sugar coat this.

1349
00:34:47,544 --> 00:34:47,544
A lot of people in professional
wrestling, just like a lot of people

1350
00:34:47,586 --> 00:34:50,213
A lot of people in professional
wrestling, just like a lot of people

1351
00:34:50,255 --> 00:34:50,255
in professional sports,
a lot of people in rock 'n roll,

1352
00:34:50,297 --> 00:34:52,632
in professional sports,
a lot of people in rock 'n roll,

1353
00:34:52,674 --> 00:34:52,674
have had bad personal habits.

1354
00:34:52,716 --> 00:34:54,926
have had bad personal habits.

1355
00:34:54,968 --> 00:34:54,968
Having said that,
Jake's were stunning.

1356
00:34:55,010 --> 00:34:59,180
Having said that,
Jake's were stunning.

1357
00:34:59,222 --> 00:34:59,222
The one guy that you would think,
this guy's not gonna make it,

1358
00:34:59,264 --> 00:35:02,517
The one guy that you would think,
this guy's not gonna make it,

1359
00:35:02,559 --> 00:35:02,559
and somehow, he always
did, and still has,

1360
00:35:02,601 --> 00:35:06,438
and somehow, he always
did, and still has,

1361
00:35:06,479 --> 00:35:06,479
he was like the Keith
Richards of pro wrestling.

1362
00:35:06,521 --> 00:35:08,732
he was like the Keith
Richards of pro wrestling.

1363
00:35:08,773 --> 00:35:08,773
The most important thing in my life
for 20 years was cocaine.

1364
00:35:08,815 --> 00:35:13,194
The most important thing in my life
for 20 years was cocaine.

1365
00:35:13,236 --> 00:35:13,236
{\an8}Above all things.

1366
00:35:13,278 --> 00:35:14,863
{\an8}Above all things.

1367
00:35:14,904 --> 00:35:14,904
{\an8}Above sex, above money,
above children, above wives,

1368
00:35:14,946 --> 00:35:20,410
{\an8}Above sex, above money,
above children, above wives,

1369
00:35:20,452 --> 00:35:20,452
above mama, above everything.

1370
00:35:20,493 --> 00:35:22,203
above mama, above everything.

1371
00:35:22,245 --> 00:35:22,245
Cocaine had to be number one.

1372
00:35:22,287 --> 00:35:24,205
Cocaine had to be number one.

1373
00:35:25,957 --> 00:35:25,957
That is really messed up.

1374
00:35:25,999 --> 00:35:27,917
That is really messed up.

1375
00:35:27,959 --> 00:35:27,959
I will tell you this.

1376
00:35:28,001 --> 00:35:29,711
I will tell you this.

1377
00:35:29,753 --> 00:35:29,753
Being in the limelight gets
you things that you think you want

1378
00:35:29,794 --> 00:35:33,632
Being in the limelight gets
you things that you think you want

1379
00:35:33,673 --> 00:35:33,673
or you need.

1380
00:35:33,715 --> 00:35:34,758
or you need.

1381
00:35:34,799 --> 00:35:34,799
Because when you do drugs,
your idea of a good time changes,

1382
00:35:34,841 --> 00:35:38,720
Because when you do drugs,
your idea of a good time changes,

1383
00:35:38,762 --> 00:35:38,762
brother, and you get kind of freaky.

1384
00:35:38,803 --> 00:35:41,389
brother, and you get kind of freaky.

1385
00:35:43,099 --> 00:35:43,099
You know, at first it was one girl.

1386
00:35:43,141 --> 00:35:45,477
You know, at first it was one girl.

1387
00:35:45,518 --> 00:35:45,518
Then it was two girls,
and then it was three girls doing

1388
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,271
Then it was two girls,
and then it was three girls doing

1389
00:35:48,313 --> 00:35:48,313
this with a rabbit and a dog
and donkey and clown.

1390
00:35:48,355 --> 00:35:51,650
this with a rabbit and a dog
and donkey and clown.

1391
00:35:51,691 --> 00:35:51,691
Having fun.

1392
00:35:51,733 --> 00:35:53,151
Having fun.

1393
00:35:53,193 --> 00:35:53,193
Sitting on the back of a chair
with a lamp on my head.

1394
00:35:53,234 --> 00:35:55,403
Sitting on the back of a chair
with a lamp on my head.

1395
00:35:55,445 --> 00:35:55,445
Yeah, it gets stupid.

1396
00:35:55,487 --> 00:35:57,947
Yeah, it gets stupid.

1397
00:35:57,989 --> 00:35:57,989
I guess one of the biggest lows
in Jake's career

1398
00:35:58,031 --> 00:36:00,909
I guess one of the biggest lows
in Jake's career

1399
00:36:00,950 --> 00:36:00,950
was the Heroes of Wrestling Pay Per
View.

1400
00:36:00,992 --> 00:36:03,328
was the Heroes of Wrestling Pay Per
View.

1401
00:36:03,370 --> 00:36:03,370
And, this is story number 747,000

1402
00:36:03,411 --> 00:36:06,665
And, this is story number 747,000

1403
00:36:06,706 --> 00:36:06,706
of Jake Roberts showing up in no
condition to perform

1404
00:36:06,748 --> 00:36:10,710
of Jake Roberts showing up in no
condition to perform

1405
00:36:10,752 --> 00:36:10,752
or actually to function as a human
being.

1406
00:36:10,794 --> 00:36:13,922
or actually to function as a human
being.

1407
00:36:13,963 --> 00:36:13,963
A lot of the guys that night put
in bad performances

1408
00:36:14,005 --> 00:36:16,508
A lot of the guys that night put
in bad performances

1409
00:36:16,549 --> 00:36:16,549
just because they were out
of shape our past their prime,

1410
00:36:16,591 --> 00:36:18,718
just because they were out
of shape our past their prime,

1411
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:18,760
but with Jake, he was
legitimately on planet Neptune.

1412
00:36:18,802 --> 00:36:22,847
but with Jake, he was
legitimately on planet Neptune.

1413
00:36:22,889 --> 00:36:22,889
Everybody knew that
Jake was not right.

1414
00:36:22,931 --> 00:36:25,433
Everybody knew that
Jake was not right.

1415
00:36:25,475 --> 00:36:25,475
And, he had a snake,
which became a phallic symbol.

1416
00:36:25,517 --> 00:36:29,437
And, he had a snake,
which became a phallic symbol.

1417
00:36:29,479 --> 00:36:29,479
And, it was a 10-year period or more
there

1418
00:36:29,521 --> 00:36:32,774
And, it was a 10-year period or more
there

1419
00:36:32,816 --> 00:36:32,816
where that more often than not,

1420
00:36:32,857 --> 00:36:34,693
where that more often than not,

1421
00:36:34,734 --> 00:36:34,734
if Jake Roberts made a public
appearance,

1422
00:36:34,776 --> 00:36:37,404
if Jake Roberts made a public
appearance,

1423
00:36:37,445 --> 00:36:37,445
you would hear about Jake Roberts

1424
00:36:37,487 --> 00:36:39,030
you would hear about Jake Roberts

1425
00:36:39,072 --> 00:36:39,072
doing something he shouldn't
do in public.

1426
00:36:39,114 --> 00:36:42,242
doing something he shouldn't
do in public.

1427
00:36:42,283 --> 00:36:42,283
I'm a junkie.

1428
00:36:42,325 --> 00:36:43,993
I'm a junkie.

1429
00:36:44,035 --> 00:36:44,035
I'm a liar, I'm a thief.

1430
00:36:44,077 --> 00:36:45,745
I'm a liar, I'm a thief.

1431
00:36:49,624 --> 00:36:49,624
Do you know how much self-hate
is involved in admitting that?

1432
00:36:49,666 --> 00:36:53,628
Do you know how much self-hate
is involved in admitting that?

1433
00:36:53,670 --> 00:36:53,670
How I had to look at
myself in the mirror?

1434
00:36:53,712 --> 00:36:55,630
How I had to look at
myself in the mirror?

1435
00:36:55,672 --> 00:36:55,672
I took all the mirrors down.

1436
00:36:55,714 --> 00:36:57,173
I took all the mirrors down.

1437
00:36:57,215 --> 00:36:57,215
The ones I didn't, I broke.

1438
00:36:57,257 --> 00:36:59,759
The ones I didn't, I broke.

1439
00:36:59,801 --> 00:36:59,801
Within years of the WWF phasing
out their women's divisions,

1440
00:36:59,843 --> 00:37:03,972
Within years of the WWF phasing
out their women's divisions,

1441
00:37:04,013 --> 00:37:04,013
Robin ends her career as a wrestler

1442
00:37:04,055 --> 00:37:06,141
Robin ends her career as a wrestler

1443
00:37:06,182 --> 00:37:06,182
and eventually hits her own rock
bottom with alcohol abuse.

1444
00:37:06,224 --> 00:37:10,562
and eventually hits her own rock
bottom with alcohol abuse.

1445
00:37:10,603 --> 00:37:10,603
{\an8}Drinking was never a problem.

1446
00:37:10,645 --> 00:37:12,272
{\an8}Drinking was never a problem.

1447
00:37:12,313 --> 00:37:12,313
{\an8}I did it really, really well.

1448
00:37:12,355 --> 00:37:15,233
{\an8}I did it really, really well.

1449
00:37:15,275 --> 00:37:15,275
{\an8}I was better than just
about anybody at it.

1450
00:37:15,316 --> 00:37:17,777
{\an8}I was better than just
about anybody at it.

1451
00:37:17,819 --> 00:37:17,819
It wasn't necessarily because of...

1452
00:37:17,861 --> 00:37:20,321
It wasn't necessarily because of...

1453
00:37:20,363 --> 00:37:20,363
Of...

1454
00:37:20,405 --> 00:37:21,865
Of...

1455
00:37:21,906 --> 00:37:21,906
Not working as much.

1456
00:37:21,948 --> 00:37:24,492
Not working as much.

1457
00:37:24,534 --> 00:37:24,534
I think that had more to do
with from, from my childhood.

1458
00:37:24,576 --> 00:37:28,747
I think that had more to do
with from, from my childhood.

1459
00:37:31,249 --> 00:37:31,249
You know, unfortunately,
the result of that is addiction and,

1460
00:37:31,291 --> 00:37:36,171
You know, unfortunately,
the result of that is addiction and,

1461
00:37:36,212 --> 00:37:36,212
even with that, I realised that it
wasn't getting me anywhere.

1462
00:37:36,254 --> 00:37:39,674
even with that, I realised that it
wasn't getting me anywhere.

1463
00:37:39,716 --> 00:37:39,716
And, you know, my father
ruined my childhood and so,

1464
00:37:39,758 --> 00:37:43,887
And, you know, my father
ruined my childhood and so,

1465
00:37:43,928 --> 00:37:43,928
I'll be damned if he ruins
the rest of my life.

1466
00:37:43,970 --> 00:37:47,348
I'll be damned if he ruins
the rest of my life.

1467
00:37:48,933 --> 00:37:48,933
On June 12, 2010, Grizzly Smith dies

1468
00:37:48,975 --> 00:37:51,936
On June 12, 2010, Grizzly Smith dies

1469
00:37:51,978 --> 00:37:51,978
from complications due
to Alzheimer's disease.

1470
00:37:52,020 --> 00:37:55,857
from complications due
to Alzheimer's disease.

1471
00:37:55,899 --> 00:37:55,899
He was 77 years old.

1472
00:37:55,940 --> 00:37:58,318
He was 77 years old.

1473
00:37:58,359 --> 00:37:58,359
His biological son, Richard,
who was given up for adoption,

1474
00:37:58,401 --> 00:38:01,863
His biological son, Richard,
who was given up for adoption,

1475
00:38:01,905 --> 00:38:01,905
would be Grizzly's sole
caretaker until the end.

1476
00:38:01,946 --> 00:38:05,116
would be Grizzly's sole
caretaker until the end.

1477
00:38:10,121 --> 00:38:10,121
I, ah...

1478
00:38:10,163 --> 00:38:12,165
I, ah...

1479
00:38:12,207 --> 00:38:12,207
I got there as quick as I could.

1480
00:38:12,248 --> 00:38:15,126
I got there as quick as I could.

1481
00:38:15,168 --> 00:38:15,168
Dad had passed.

1482
00:38:15,210 --> 00:38:17,587
Dad had passed.

1483
00:38:17,629 --> 00:38:17,629
He...

1484
00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:18,671
He...

1485
00:38:28,014 --> 00:38:28,014
He had just passed.

1486
00:38:28,056 --> 00:38:30,016
He had just passed.

1487
00:38:33,186 --> 00:38:33,186
He died while I was in prison.

1488
00:38:33,228 --> 00:38:35,271
He died while I was in prison.

1489
00:38:35,313 --> 00:38:35,313
I'm in the worst place in the world,

1490
00:38:35,355 --> 00:38:36,815
I'm in the worst place in the world,

1491
00:38:36,856 --> 00:38:36,856
I just got the most devastating news
in the world.

1492
00:38:36,898 --> 00:38:40,068
I just got the most devastating news
in the world.

1493
00:38:40,109 --> 00:38:40,109
Well, he's got a...
He's got a lot of good qualities.

1494
00:38:40,151 --> 00:38:43,279
Well, he's got a...
He's got a lot of good qualities.

1495
00:38:43,321 --> 00:38:43,321
And, he was born out of love
and I still love him.

1496
00:38:43,363 --> 00:38:46,991
And, he was born out of love
and I still love him.

1497
00:38:49,661 --> 00:38:49,661
I thought that with him passing
I wouldn't have to think

1498
00:38:49,702 --> 00:38:52,789
I thought that with him passing
I wouldn't have to think

1499
00:38:52,831 --> 00:38:52,831
of some things anymore.

1500
00:38:52,872 --> 00:38:54,499
of some things anymore.

1501
00:38:58,586 --> 00:38:58,586
But memories don't
go away that easily.

1502
00:38:58,628 --> 00:39:02,131
But memories don't
go away that easily.

1503
00:39:08,471 --> 00:39:08,471
No, no. Hell, no.

1504
00:39:08,513 --> 00:39:11,224
No, no. Hell, no.

1505
00:39:11,266 --> 00:39:11,266
I don't think he thought, no.

1506
00:39:11,307 --> 00:39:12,809
I don't think he thought, no.

1507
00:39:12,851 --> 00:39:12,851
I don't think he thought
he did anything wrong.

1508
00:39:12,892 --> 00:39:15,645
I don't think he thought
he did anything wrong.

1509
00:39:15,687 --> 00:39:15,687
You know, there was never any kind
of serious conversation,

1510
00:39:15,728 --> 00:39:20,441
You know, there was never any kind
of serious conversation,

1511
00:39:20,483 --> 00:39:20,483
apologies, anything like that.

1512
00:39:20,525 --> 00:39:22,652
apologies, anything like that.

1513
00:39:24,737 --> 00:39:24,737
I think he thought everything
was just, just fine.

1514
00:39:24,779 --> 00:39:27,907
I think he thought everything
was just, just fine.

1515
00:39:34,163 --> 00:39:34,163
A few years ago, we finally did.
I, I can't imagine.

1516
00:39:34,205 --> 00:39:37,333
A few years ago, we finally did.
I, I can't imagine.

1517
00:39:37,375 --> 00:39:37,375
I can't imagine how devastating that
would, could be to somebody.

1518
00:39:37,417 --> 00:39:41,713
I can't imagine how devastating that
would, could be to somebody.

1519
00:39:41,754 --> 00:39:41,754
You know, and, and Robin,
I guess, like my mom,

1520
00:39:41,796 --> 00:39:44,966
You know, and, and Robin,
I guess, like my mom,

1521
00:39:45,008 --> 00:39:45,008
you know, they knew as a child
growing up that my father

1522
00:39:45,049 --> 00:39:47,468
you know, they knew as a child
growing up that my father

1523
00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:47,510
was Superman to me.

1524
00:39:47,552 --> 00:39:49,429
was Superman to me.

1525
00:39:49,470 --> 00:39:49,470
And, they wouldn't do anything
to tarnish him

1526
00:39:49,512 --> 00:39:52,140
And, they wouldn't do anything
to tarnish him

1527
00:39:52,181 --> 00:39:52,181
because they care for me so much.

1528
00:39:52,223 --> 00:39:54,976
because they care for me so much.

1529
00:39:55,018 --> 00:39:55,018
Sam idolized his dad.

1530
00:39:55,059 --> 00:39:57,145
Sam idolized his dad.

1531
00:39:57,186 --> 00:39:57,186
He probably would have forgiven his
dad for it

1532
00:39:57,228 --> 00:39:59,522
He probably would have forgiven his
dad for it

1533
00:39:59,564 --> 00:39:59,564
rather than helped his sister.

1534
00:39:59,606 --> 00:40:01,566
rather than helped his sister.

1535
00:40:03,902 --> 00:40:03,902
He could make Sam believe
that it was Robin's fault.

1536
00:40:03,943 --> 00:40:07,906
He could make Sam believe
that it was Robin's fault.

1537
00:40:07,947 --> 00:40:07,947
Or he could make Sam believe
that it was Jake's fault.

1538
00:40:07,989 --> 00:40:11,159
Or he could make Sam believe
that it was Jake's fault.

1539
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:11,200
It wasn't Grizz's fault,
it was somebody else's fault.

1540
00:40:11,242 --> 00:40:15,455
It wasn't Grizz's fault,
it was somebody else's fault.

1541
00:40:15,496 --> 00:40:15,496
I don't blame anybody at all
for the lack of being together.

1542
00:40:15,538 --> 00:40:20,919
I don't blame anybody at all
for the lack of being together.

1543
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:20,960
That was all done early on by dad.

1544
00:40:21,002 --> 00:40:24,172
That was all done early on by dad.

1545
00:40:24,213 --> 00:40:24,213
So, I mean, it, it's--
nobody dropped the ball.

1546
00:40:24,255 --> 00:40:27,133
So, I mean, it, it's--
nobody dropped the ball.

1547
00:40:27,175 --> 00:40:27,175
It's not anybody's fault.

1548
00:40:27,216 --> 00:40:29,010
It's not anybody's fault.

1549
00:40:29,052 --> 00:40:29,052
It just, it was how it was.

1550
00:40:29,093 --> 00:40:31,012
It just, it was how it was.

1551
00:40:35,308 --> 00:40:35,308
OK, that's me and dad.

1552
00:40:35,350 --> 00:40:36,684
OK, that's me and dad.

1553
00:40:36,726 --> 00:40:36,726
I was probably 10.

1554
00:40:36,768 --> 00:40:38,436
I was probably 10.

1555
00:40:39,646 --> 00:40:39,646
He never apologized
for giving me up for adoption.

1556
00:40:39,687 --> 00:40:42,899
He never apologized
for giving me up for adoption.

1557
00:40:42,941 --> 00:40:42,941
And I never asked for it.

1558
00:40:42,982 --> 00:40:44,609
And I never asked for it.

1559
00:40:44,651 --> 00:40:44,651
I have no complaints.
I mean, how can I complain?

1560
00:40:44,692 --> 00:40:47,987
I have no complaints.
I mean, how can I complain?

1561
00:40:48,029 --> 00:40:48,029
I'm the lucky one out of the bunch,
is the way I consider it.

1562
00:40:48,071 --> 00:40:51,574
I'm the lucky one out of the bunch,
is the way I consider it.

1563
00:40:51,616 --> 00:40:51,616
With Grizzly's death, his children
finally feel safe enough

1564
00:40:51,658 --> 00:40:55,703
With Grizzly's death, his children
finally feel safe enough

1565
00:40:55,745 --> 00:40:55,745
to open up about their experiences
from childhood,

1566
00:40:55,787 --> 00:40:59,165
to open up about their experiences
from childhood,

1567
00:40:59,207 --> 00:40:59,207
but their estrangement
still exists today.

1568
00:40:59,248 --> 00:41:02,627
but their estrangement
still exists today.

1569
00:41:02,669 --> 00:41:02,669
I think there's a certain
amount of hope that Robin

1570
00:41:02,710 --> 00:41:06,172
I think there's a certain
amount of hope that Robin

1571
00:41:06,214 --> 00:41:06,214
and I could be friends.

1572
00:41:06,255 --> 00:41:07,840
and I could be friends.

1573
00:41:07,882 --> 00:41:07,882
I respect her and I
love her very much.

1574
00:41:07,924 --> 00:41:10,551
I respect her and I
love her very much.

1575
00:41:11,803 --> 00:41:11,803
And it'd be nice to have a sister.

1576
00:41:11,844 --> 00:41:14,263
And it'd be nice to have a sister.

1577
00:41:15,348 --> 00:41:15,348
Yeah, I'd love to be close
with everybody, you know.

1578
00:41:15,390 --> 00:41:18,267
Yeah, I'd love to be close
with everybody, you know.

1579
00:41:18,309 --> 00:41:18,309
I understand though that, you know,
we've all got like different paths.

1580
00:41:18,351 --> 00:41:22,063
I understand though that, you know,
we've all got like different paths.

1581
00:41:22,105 --> 00:41:22,105
Do I wish I could have spent more
time with my siblings?

1582
00:41:22,146 --> 00:41:25,483
Do I wish I could have spent more
time with my siblings?

1583
00:41:25,525 --> 00:41:25,525
Yeah, it sounds good, yeah.
I'd like to try.

1584
00:41:25,566 --> 00:41:29,445
Yeah, it sounds good, yeah.
I'd like to try.

1585
00:41:29,487 --> 00:41:29,487
And after this, I mean,
there's a lot of thoughts

1586
00:41:29,529 --> 00:41:31,614
And after this, I mean,
there's a lot of thoughts

1587
00:41:31,656 --> 00:41:31,656
going through my mind right now.

1588
00:41:31,698 --> 00:41:33,366
going through my mind right now.

1589
00:41:33,408 --> 00:41:33,408
It's...

1590
00:41:33,449 --> 00:41:35,201
It's...

1591
00:41:35,243 --> 00:41:35,243
Maybe I gotta figure
out how to do that.

1592
00:41:35,284 --> 00:41:37,286
Maybe I gotta figure
out how to do that.

1593
00:41:37,328 --> 00:41:37,328
Bridging out across.

1594
00:41:37,370 --> 00:41:39,789
Bridging out across.

1595
00:41:39,831 --> 00:41:39,831
You know, I think this
is opening some communication.

1596
00:41:39,872 --> 00:41:42,959
You know, I think this
is opening some communication.

1597
00:41:43,001 --> 00:41:43,001
It might have a little to do

1598
00:41:43,042 --> 00:41:44,460
It might have a little to do

1599
00:41:44,502 --> 00:41:44,502
with bringing us a little
bit closer in.

1600
00:41:44,544 --> 00:41:48,131
with bringing us a little
bit closer in.

1601
00:41:48,172 --> 00:41:48,172
I guess this is why I agreed to go
ahead and talk about it was that,

1602
00:41:48,214 --> 00:41:51,843
I guess this is why I agreed to go
ahead and talk about it was that,

1603
00:41:51,884 --> 00:41:51,884
I want people to really know,
it's very, very tough

1604
00:41:51,926 --> 00:41:55,346
I want people to really know,
it's very, very tough

1605
00:41:55,388 --> 00:41:55,388
and I would never say it's
easy to get past it.

1606
00:41:55,430 --> 00:41:58,391
and I would never say it's
easy to get past it.

1607
00:41:58,433 --> 00:41:58,433
I don't know that you
ever do get past it.

1608
00:41:58,474 --> 00:42:01,019
I don't know that you
ever do get past it.

1609
00:42:01,060 --> 00:42:01,060
But, you don't have to stay in it.

1610
00:42:01,102 --> 00:42:03,938
But, you don't have to stay in it.

1611
00:42:03,980 --> 00:42:03,980
You can be successful,
you can overcome it.

1612
00:42:04,022 --> 00:42:07,859
You can be successful,
you can overcome it.

1613
00:42:07,900 --> 00:42:07,900
And for God sakes, if it's something
you're going through now,

1614
00:42:07,942 --> 00:42:11,029
And for God sakes, if it's something
you're going through now,

1615
00:42:11,070 --> 00:42:11,070
if anybody's going through it
now, tell somebody.

1616
00:42:11,112 --> 00:42:14,699
if anybody's going through it
now, tell somebody.

1617
00:42:14,741 --> 00:42:14,741
You've got to tell somebody.

1618
00:42:14,782 --> 00:42:16,367
You've got to tell somebody.

1619
00:42:16,409 --> 00:42:16,409
It will not stop.

1620
00:42:16,451 --> 00:42:18,119
It will not stop.

1621
00:42:18,161 --> 00:42:18,161
You have to tell somebody.

1622
00:42:18,202 --> 00:42:19,704
You have to tell somebody.

1623
00:42:19,746 --> 00:42:19,746
And, and you will get help.

1624
00:42:19,787 --> 00:42:21,873
And, and you will get help.

1625
00:42:21,914 --> 00:42:21,914
What I want to tell
you is this:

1626
00:42:21,956 --> 00:42:23,666
What I want to tell
you is this:

1627
00:42:23,708 --> 00:42:23,708
you can't glorify what happened to
me.

1628
00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:26,085
you can't glorify what happened to
me.

1629
00:42:26,127 --> 00:42:26,127
But I ain't the only one.

1630
00:42:26,169 --> 00:42:28,087
But I ain't the only one.

1631
00:42:28,129 --> 00:42:28,129
There's millions of other kids that
are going through the same thing

1632
00:42:28,171 --> 00:42:31,841
There's millions of other kids that
are going through the same thing

1633
00:42:31,883 --> 00:42:31,883
as I speak.

1634
00:42:31,924 --> 00:42:33,384
as I speak.

1635
00:42:35,011 --> 00:42:35,011
If you're one of those kids...

1636
00:42:35,053 --> 00:42:38,097
If you're one of those kids...

1637
00:42:38,139 --> 00:42:38,139
Run!

1638
00:42:38,181 --> 00:42:39,807
Run!

1639
00:42:39,849 --> 00:42:39,849
Run like the wind.

1640
00:42:39,891 --> 00:42:41,601
Run like the wind.

1641
00:42:41,642 --> 00:42:41,642
Go to the police, go
to your pastor, go to the...

1642
00:42:41,684 --> 00:42:45,354
Go to the police, go
to your pastor, go to the...

1643
00:42:45,396 --> 00:42:45,396
Just go.

1644
00:42:45,438 --> 00:42:47,065
Just go.

1645
00:42:47,106 --> 00:42:47,106
And if it's already happened to you,
you gotta get help.

1646
00:42:47,148 --> 00:42:53,112
And if it's already happened to you,
you gotta get help.

1647
00:42:53,154 --> 00:42:53,154
{\an8}I'm 65 now, and I'm
not ashamed anymore.

1648
00:42:53,196 --> 00:42:58,076
{\an8}I'm 65 now, and I'm
not ashamed anymore.

1649
00:42:58,117 --> 00:42:58,117
{\an8}Still a little angry at times,

1650
00:42:58,159 --> 00:42:59,702
{\an8}Still a little angry at times,

1651
00:42:59,744 --> 00:42:59,744
{\an8}but not so angry that I have
to medicate it.

1652
00:42:59,786 --> 00:43:02,663
{\an8}but not so angry that I have
to medicate it.

1653
00:43:02,705 --> 00:43:02,705
{\an8}I've been sober now for 10 years.

1654
00:43:02,747 --> 00:43:05,208
{\an8}I've been sober now for 10 years.

1655
00:43:05,249 --> 00:43:05,249
{\an8}10 years, woo.

1656
00:43:05,291 --> 00:43:07,126
{\an8}10 years, woo.

1657
00:43:07,168 --> 00:43:07,168
{\an8}I did it.

1658
00:43:07,210 --> 00:43:09,295
{\an8}I did it.

1659
00:43:09,337 --> 00:43:09,337
{\an8}I made it all the way back.

1660
00:43:09,378 --> 00:43:10,838
{\an8}I made it all the way back.

1661
00:43:12,006 --> 00:43:12,006
The bottom line is, never, ever...

1662
00:43:12,048 --> 00:43:15,093
The bottom line is, never, ever...

1663
00:43:15,134 --> 00:43:15,134
Ever give up.

1664
00:43:15,176 --> 00:43:18,096
Ever give up.