1 00:00:01,392 --> 00:00:03,002 Now I understand you had a rough match last night. 2 00:00:03,046 --> 00:00:05,346 Ah, you wrestled a lady, and she got 14 stitches. 3 00:00:05,396 --> 00:00:07,046 Yeah, well... 4 00:00:07,094 --> 00:00:08,574 If that's what it takes to try to win, 5 00:00:08,617 --> 00:00:09,747 that's what I'll do. 6 00:00:10,923 --> 00:00:12,013 You can't say "women's wrestling" 7 00:00:12,055 --> 00:00:14,185 without thinking The Fabulous Moolah. 8 00:00:14,231 --> 00:00:17,231 If she had not run the women's wrestling business, 9 00:00:17,278 --> 00:00:19,058 there may not have been women's wrestling. 10 00:00:19,106 --> 00:00:20,926 Introducing, first, to my right, 11 00:00:20,977 --> 00:00:23,497 former World Women's Champion... 12 00:00:23,545 --> 00:00:25,585 The Fabulous Moolah! 13 00:00:27,114 --> 00:00:29,774 As Moolah, the promoter, I want to make money 14 00:00:29,812 --> 00:00:32,902 for my talent and I want to make money for Moolah. 15 00:00:34,338 --> 00:00:36,428 Oh, come on! 16 00:00:36,471 --> 00:00:40,261 Even to this day, if you say, "women's wrestling," 17 00:00:40,301 --> 00:00:43,911 the picture of Moolah appears in my mind. 18 00:00:46,263 --> 00:00:49,053 If Moolah was alive today... 19 00:00:49,092 --> 00:00:50,962 I'd probably slap her. 20 00:00:51,007 --> 00:00:53,837 She was so jealous of any woman 21 00:00:53,879 --> 00:00:57,619 that was younger than her in wrestling. 22 00:00:57,666 --> 00:01:00,756 She was also a manipulator, and she was also a thief. 23 00:01:00,799 --> 00:01:04,019 She wanted to hurt me... Bruise me... 24 00:01:06,066 --> 00:01:07,416 I'll knock your teeth out! 25 00:01:07,458 --> 00:01:10,368 There was drugs; there was sex; 26 00:01:10,418 --> 00:01:14,118 there was a lot of abuse with Moolah. 27 00:01:14,161 --> 00:01:17,601 I'm like, wow, they waited 'til she passed away to say 28 00:01:17,642 --> 00:01:20,562 all these things so she couldn't stand up and defend herself. 29 00:01:20,602 --> 00:01:24,002 I was warned, but I wanted to wrestle so bad. 30 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:27,650 She gave her whole life to professional wrestling. 31 00:01:27,696 --> 00:01:31,696 She gave all these girls an opportunity and, 32 00:01:31,743 --> 00:01:34,753 for nobody to stand up for her, I don't know... 33 00:01:34,790 --> 00:01:36,750 just couldn't deal with it. 34 00:01:36,792 --> 00:01:40,192 She was a great professional wrestler... 35 00:01:40,230 --> 00:01:44,450 But she didn't know when to stop. 36 00:01:44,495 --> 00:01:47,015 On this episode, the life... 37 00:01:47,063 --> 00:01:51,153 legend, and controversy of the Fabulous Moolah. 38 00:01:58,770 --> 00:02:02,730 ...Fabulous Moolah, with a WWF women's title on the line here. 39 00:02:02,774 --> 00:02:05,564 She made all of her costumes herself. 40 00:02:05,603 --> 00:02:08,743 Anything flashy, she loved. 41 00:02:08,780 --> 00:02:10,910 She was just that kind of person. 42 00:02:10,956 --> 00:02:13,786 It really never impressed me that much because, 43 00:02:13,829 --> 00:02:15,959 to me, she was just my mother and I didn't 44 00:02:16,005 --> 00:02:19,835 really realize how popular she was. 45 00:02:19,878 --> 00:02:22,138 My name is Mary Austin, 46 00:02:22,185 --> 00:02:26,095 and I'm the only child of The Fabulous Moolah. 47 00:02:26,146 --> 00:02:28,966 My mother kind of kept me out of the spotlight, 48 00:02:29,018 --> 00:02:31,978 but she loved the spotlight. 49 00:02:32,021 --> 00:02:33,501 She was determined to do it. 50 00:02:33,544 --> 00:02:35,204 When you really love something, 51 00:02:35,242 --> 00:02:39,032 you put yourself into it, and she had all of herself into it. 52 00:02:39,071 --> 00:02:41,991 This is one Mary let me have. As you can see, 53 00:02:42,031 --> 00:02:45,341 how beautiful it is - sparkly, just like Moolah liked it. 54 00:02:45,382 --> 00:02:47,212 - - Oh, yeah. 55 00:02:47,254 --> 00:02:51,134 My name is Selina Majors. I wrestled as Bambi. 56 00:02:51,171 --> 00:02:52,911 Started in 1986. 57 00:02:52,955 --> 00:02:55,175 I've been in it for 32 years. 58 00:02:55,218 --> 00:02:58,478 I wanted my name, as a kid, to be Dynamite Dixie Majors, 59 00:02:58,526 --> 00:03:00,436 so I've got these big posters that would say, 60 00:03:00,484 --> 00:03:02,404 "The Fabulous Moolah Champion vs. 61 00:03:02,443 --> 00:03:04,793 Dynamite Dixie Majors". 62 00:03:04,836 --> 00:03:08,706 I had this life-size doll, and I'd take that doll and 63 00:03:08,753 --> 00:03:11,283 I would body slam it, and climb up on the bed, 64 00:03:11,321 --> 00:03:13,851 and drop an elbow. 65 00:03:13,889 --> 00:03:16,109 I'd stand in front of the mirror with my hairbrush, 66 00:03:16,152 --> 00:03:18,072 do little interviews and tell Moolah 67 00:03:18,110 --> 00:03:21,380 how I was gonna come and wrestle her. 68 00:03:21,418 --> 00:03:24,598 As you can tell, I like the, the bad guys, the heels. 69 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:26,639 She was a heel. She played that part. 70 00:03:26,684 --> 00:03:28,254 My name's The Fabulous Moolah. 71 00:03:28,295 --> 00:03:30,245 I've been wrestling since I was 15 years old, 72 00:03:30,297 --> 00:03:33,337 and I am the world's champion lady wrestler. 73 00:03:33,387 --> 00:03:36,647 They hated her, but that's what she wanted. 74 00:03:36,694 --> 00:03:39,314 She's nasty and she cheats! 75 00:03:40,872 --> 00:03:43,532 Oh, I'd fix up a little spoon handle, you know, 76 00:03:43,571 --> 00:03:45,091 about the size of your finger, 77 00:03:45,137 --> 00:03:47,787 roll it up with tape and put it down in my bra. 78 00:03:47,836 --> 00:03:50,356 The meaner she was, the more they liked it, you know. 79 00:03:50,404 --> 00:03:51,974 And she loved being a heel. 80 00:03:52,014 --> 00:03:55,104 Stick it in their eyes, in the throat. 81 00:03:55,147 --> 00:03:56,447 Ha! 82 00:03:56,497 --> 00:03:58,887 The Fabulous Moolah started as a female wrestler, 83 00:03:58,934 --> 00:04:01,284 and then she became the female wrestling champion, 84 00:04:01,328 --> 00:04:04,158 and then she became the booker of all the girl wrestlers. 85 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,860 I first broke into wrestling as a photographer. 86 00:04:06,898 --> 00:04:08,768 I was a 15-year-old kid and I was doing all of the 87 00:04:08,813 --> 00:04:11,253 photography that was sold in the arenas for the entire 88 00:04:11,294 --> 00:04:12,774 Memphis wrestling territory. 89 00:04:12,817 --> 00:04:15,117 "Moolah, can I get a couple of pictures for the magazine?" 90 00:04:15,167 --> 00:04:16,687 Always say for the magazines, right. 91 00:04:16,734 --> 00:04:18,304 "Why of course you can, darling." 92 00:04:18,345 --> 00:04:20,295 And she had her stock poses. Boom, boom, boom, 93 00:04:20,347 --> 00:04:22,997 and 30 seconds and she's off to the ring. 94 00:04:23,045 --> 00:04:26,605 Moolah pioneered the hair pulling, cat fighting, 95 00:04:26,657 --> 00:04:31,487 scratching, crowd-pleasing kind of women's wrestling. 96 00:04:31,532 --> 00:04:35,622 She broke glass ceilings, one after another. 97 00:04:35,666 --> 00:04:39,236 She got into wrestling when there was no women in wrestling. 98 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,889 Women's wrestling was actually banned in Madison Square Garden, 99 00:04:42,934 --> 00:04:46,634 and Moolah was the one that was chosen to break the ban. 100 00:04:46,677 --> 00:04:48,197 She was the featured girl in the 101 00:04:48,244 --> 00:04:50,254 first girl's match in the Garden. 102 00:04:50,290 --> 00:04:54,730 Now that she's almost 60, she's on MTV. 103 00:04:54,772 --> 00:04:58,302 It's 1984, the Rock 'n' Wrestling Connection. 104 00:04:58,341 --> 00:05:01,691 Cyndi Lauper and that whole era of network TV, 105 00:05:01,736 --> 00:05:04,086 and Madison Square Garden, and MTV, 106 00:05:04,129 --> 00:05:05,389 and rock 'n' roll stars... 107 00:05:05,435 --> 00:05:08,475 And this place is ready to explode tonight! 108 00:05:08,525 --> 00:05:12,005 ...Got so much national attention that NBC and 109 00:05:12,050 --> 00:05:13,530 everybody else started looking at, 110 00:05:13,574 --> 00:05:14,924 at pro wrestling. 111 00:05:14,966 --> 00:05:18,926 She made it from the mid-50s to the dawn of MTV, 112 00:05:18,970 --> 00:05:20,450 for the biggest payoff she ever made. 113 00:05:20,494 --> 00:05:22,454 There she is, the fabulous one, 114 00:05:22,496 --> 00:05:24,236 The Fabulous Moolah... 115 00:05:24,280 --> 00:05:26,630 putting her title on the line! 116 00:05:26,674 --> 00:05:29,294 There'll never be anyone to have the, 117 00:05:29,329 --> 00:05:32,589 the guts that she had. 118 00:05:32,636 --> 00:05:35,766 This must have been really old. 119 00:05:35,813 --> 00:05:37,423 Look at that. Look at her hair. 120 00:05:37,467 --> 00:05:39,767 This is a wrestling license. 121 00:05:39,817 --> 00:05:43,207 Her mom passed away when she was about 9, I think. 122 00:05:43,255 --> 00:05:46,075 And then, it was her dad and her brothers that raised her, 123 00:05:46,128 --> 00:05:48,438 so she learned how to fight real early. 124 00:05:48,478 --> 00:05:50,608 It was rough for her. 125 00:05:50,654 --> 00:05:54,014 I was an only child and she was just a teenager. 126 00:05:54,049 --> 00:05:57,139 She went to wrestling matches every week, 127 00:05:57,182 --> 00:05:58,662 and my mother saw Mildred Burke. 128 00:05:58,706 --> 00:06:00,656 She said, "That's what I want to be." 129 00:06:00,708 --> 00:06:03,358 It's Mildred Burke, of Los Angeles, California, 130 00:06:03,406 --> 00:06:04,836 World Champion. 131 00:06:04,886 --> 00:06:06,496 Back in the 30s and 40s, 132 00:06:06,540 --> 00:06:09,110 Mildred Burke was such a legitimate athlete. 133 00:06:09,151 --> 00:06:10,761 She was in tremendous shape, 134 00:06:10,805 --> 00:06:13,495 and she just had a natural flair for, for wrestling. 135 00:06:13,547 --> 00:06:15,417 But behind the scenes, Billy Wolfe, 136 00:06:15,462 --> 00:06:17,422 Mildred Burke's husband, was pulling the strings and 137 00:06:17,464 --> 00:06:19,254 managing the whole women's troop, 138 00:06:19,291 --> 00:06:21,381 for good and bad. 139 00:06:21,424 --> 00:06:25,214 When she was 17 or 18, she went to see Billy Wolfe. 140 00:06:25,254 --> 00:06:27,044 When you became a wrestler for Billy Wolfe, 141 00:06:27,082 --> 00:06:30,092 you automatically had to... go to bed with him. 142 00:06:30,128 --> 00:06:32,298 She said she wasn't doing it, 143 00:06:32,348 --> 00:06:34,348 and she could find some other way to wrestle without 144 00:06:34,394 --> 00:06:37,054 having to go to bed with him or anyone else. 145 00:06:37,092 --> 00:06:38,792 What's the worst experience you, 146 00:06:38,833 --> 00:06:40,103 you might want to say that, like, 147 00:06:40,138 --> 00:06:41,618 you ever had with a promoter? 148 00:06:41,662 --> 00:06:44,192 That's kind of hard to talk about. 149 00:06:44,229 --> 00:06:45,839 - Really is. - Hm. 150 00:06:45,883 --> 00:06:47,673 The Fabulous Moolah, at one point, 151 00:06:47,711 --> 00:06:49,801 was married to a guy named Buddy Lee. 152 00:06:49,844 --> 00:06:51,764 Buddy Lee used to wrestle. 153 00:06:51,802 --> 00:06:54,852 Of course, they met and they sort of fell for each other. 154 00:06:54,892 --> 00:06:57,422 And, she did most of the wrestling, 155 00:06:57,460 --> 00:06:59,720 and he did most of the booking. 156 00:06:59,767 --> 00:07:02,247 She basically copied the 157 00:07:02,291 --> 00:07:05,341 Mildred Burke and Billy Wolfe playbook. 158 00:07:05,381 --> 00:07:07,731 They kept their own stable; they took all the bookings. 159 00:07:07,775 --> 00:07:10,075 And more importantly, a booking fee 160 00:07:10,125 --> 00:07:12,335 out of all of the girls' pay. 161 00:07:12,388 --> 00:07:15,038 You knew right off the bat why she got in the business 162 00:07:15,086 --> 00:07:17,346 and why she wanted 163 00:07:17,393 --> 00:07:20,053 she loved money. 164 00:07:21,702 --> 00:07:23,622 Moolah would play such a dominant role in 165 00:07:23,660 --> 00:07:26,580 women's wrestling that in 2018, 166 00:07:26,620 --> 00:07:28,710 11 years after her death, 167 00:07:28,752 --> 00:07:31,802 her memory still loomed over the sport. 168 00:07:31,842 --> 00:07:34,192 The WWE made the announcement on March the 12th, 169 00:07:34,236 --> 00:07:36,106 that they were going to honor The Fabulous Moolah 170 00:07:36,151 --> 00:07:39,071 by having The Fabulous Moolah Memorial Battle Royal. 171 00:07:39,110 --> 00:07:42,240 I thought it was very nice that they would name it after her. 172 00:07:42,287 --> 00:07:44,637 Keeping her legacy going. 173 00:07:44,681 --> 00:07:48,081 2 or 3 days later, that'd all been taken away. 174 00:07:48,119 --> 00:07:50,299 Let's talk about The Fabulous Moolah controversy. 175 00:07:50,339 --> 00:07:52,169 I think it's a bunch of bull. 176 00:07:52,210 --> 00:07:54,300 I really think it's a bunch of bull. 177 00:07:54,343 --> 00:07:56,043 Moolah has an awful past. 178 00:07:56,084 --> 00:07:58,264 Some really, really sick shit. 179 00:07:58,303 --> 00:07:59,653 She was an evil person. 180 00:07:59,696 --> 00:08:01,956 Moolah was pimping girls out. 181 00:08:02,003 --> 00:08:03,273 A lot of the stuff was alleged, 182 00:08:03,308 --> 00:08:04,958 we gotta say that. It's alleged. 183 00:08:05,006 --> 00:08:07,226 Grossed out about it. Name it something else. 184 00:08:07,269 --> 00:08:09,179 It's not hard. Scrap it. 185 00:08:11,882 --> 00:08:13,492 Stories started coming out on the internet, 186 00:08:13,536 --> 00:08:16,096 Fabulous Moolah, suddenly, was a horrible person 187 00:08:16,147 --> 00:08:18,537 who took advantage of all these women, 188 00:08:18,585 --> 00:08:21,105 and pimped 'em out, and fed 'em drugs, 189 00:08:21,152 --> 00:08:22,682 and all this stuff. 190 00:08:22,719 --> 00:08:26,029 They contacted the sponsors and they had to take her name off. 191 00:08:26,070 --> 00:08:28,940 I was very shocked because I knew better. 192 00:08:28,986 --> 00:08:30,856 I knew none of that was true. 193 00:08:30,901 --> 00:08:35,171 And, thanks to Nigel, he took the lead way on it. 194 00:08:35,210 --> 00:08:36,650 My name is Nigel Sherrod. 195 00:08:36,690 --> 00:08:39,210 I'm mostly known as a wrestling host. 196 00:08:39,257 --> 00:08:42,347 The "Fight for Moolah" campaign came about because 197 00:08:42,391 --> 00:08:46,131 we started a petition to put the truth out there, 198 00:08:46,177 --> 00:08:49,787 and to honor the woman who broke down the walls 199 00:08:49,833 --> 00:08:51,233 for everybody else. 200 00:08:51,269 --> 00:08:52,969 I just wanted to clear her name because 201 00:08:53,010 --> 00:08:55,580 Moolah's not here to defend herself. 202 00:08:55,622 --> 00:08:58,672 Did Moolah, indeed, take advantage of the girls? 203 00:08:58,712 --> 00:09:00,242 Some of the girls have said yes, 204 00:09:00,278 --> 00:09:01,848 some of the girls have said no. 205 00:09:01,889 --> 00:09:05,889 I think that it was ignorant canceling The Fabulous Moolah 206 00:09:05,936 --> 00:09:09,196 Memorial Battle Royal because I interviewed 207 00:09:09,244 --> 00:09:12,514 over 20 women, and they 208 00:09:12,552 --> 00:09:13,992 "There's no truth to those rumors." 209 00:09:15,642 --> 00:09:19,302 Accusations about Moolah polarized the wrestling world. 210 00:09:19,341 --> 00:09:22,651 They originated from an investigative newspaper story 211 00:09:22,692 --> 00:09:25,302 that quoted serious allegations by the family 212 00:09:25,347 --> 00:09:28,607 of one of her former wrestlers. 213 00:09:28,655 --> 00:09:31,345 St. Mark, if you see these guys moving around, 214 00:09:31,396 --> 00:09:34,046 they, they are a professional film company, 215 00:09:34,095 --> 00:09:37,705 and they are doing an episode dealing with 216 00:09:37,751 --> 00:09:40,451 pro women wrestlers... 217 00:09:40,492 --> 00:09:44,582 which one of 'em was my mother, South Carolina's 218 00:09:44,627 --> 00:09:47,107 first black female professional wrestler, 219 00:09:47,151 --> 00:09:48,681 Sweet Georgia Brown. 220 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:54,070 I'm Michael McCoy. 221 00:09:54,115 --> 00:09:57,725 I'm Senior Pastor at St. Mark Baptist Church. 222 00:09:57,771 --> 00:10:00,861 That article that came out in the Columbia Free Times, 223 00:10:00,904 --> 00:10:04,174 it was about what my mother had to go through and endure 224 00:10:04,212 --> 00:10:06,002 while she was in wrestling. 225 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,910 I started a search to try to find out the truth. 226 00:10:08,956 --> 00:10:10,826 Maybe you could just tell us your name and 227 00:10:10,871 --> 00:10:12,001 a little bit about yourself. 228 00:10:12,046 --> 00:10:14,046 Yes, my name is Barbara Harsey, 229 00:10:14,091 --> 00:10:18,571 and I am the proud daughter of Susie Mae McCoy. 230 00:10:18,618 --> 00:10:21,798 - Who is also known as? - Sweet Georgia Brown. 231 00:10:23,753 --> 00:10:26,973 When my mom went into wrestling, 232 00:10:27,017 --> 00:10:31,107 she was with the so-called great Moolah. 233 00:10:31,152 --> 00:10:33,812 She said she was forced to do 234 00:10:33,850 --> 00:10:37,380 a lot of things against her will. 235 00:10:37,419 --> 00:10:39,939 Now, these are just stories that I heard. 236 00:10:39,987 --> 00:10:41,817 Do I know any truth to 'em? 237 00:10:41,858 --> 00:10:45,078 No, I can't sit here and say I know truth to it or not. 238 00:10:45,122 --> 00:10:48,522 But, you know, when more than 1, 2, 3 people 239 00:10:48,560 --> 00:10:51,560 saying the same story... 240 00:10:51,607 --> 00:10:53,777 You know, somebody ain't lying. 241 00:10:59,571 --> 00:11:02,441 Philip... Honey. 242 00:11:02,487 --> 00:11:06,667 Can you walk these guys outside and show them the banister? 243 00:11:06,709 --> 00:11:08,059 This is my husband, Philip. 244 00:11:08,102 --> 00:11:09,712 - Hi, how are y'all doing? - How's it going? 245 00:11:09,756 --> 00:11:11,236 Sure, sure I can. 246 00:11:13,585 --> 00:11:15,885 - Back here, hanging. - Oh, wow. 247 00:11:15,936 --> 00:11:19,286 Back when Moolah died, my husband, 248 00:11:19,330 --> 00:11:24,600 he went over to tear down the barn that the ring was in, 249 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:28,510 and he found a banister, the women's wrestlers, 250 00:11:28,557 --> 00:11:30,727 and he brought it back, thought I would want, 251 00:11:30,777 --> 00:11:33,167 you know, keep it. 252 00:11:33,214 --> 00:11:35,044 For the better part of 25 years, 253 00:11:35,085 --> 00:11:37,605 every top girl wrestler was trained by Moolah, 254 00:11:37,653 --> 00:11:40,533 booked out by Moolah, and was controlled by, 255 00:11:40,569 --> 00:11:42,009 by Moolah's group. 256 00:11:42,049 --> 00:11:44,309 Can you tell us who Sweet Georgia Brown was? 257 00:11:44,355 --> 00:11:48,795 Yeah, she was one of the, the first African American women 258 00:11:48,838 --> 00:11:52,098 to wrestle, and my mother trained her. 259 00:11:52,146 --> 00:11:55,236 Believe it or not, it was on a mattress in the living room. 260 00:11:57,629 --> 00:12:00,629 It was unreal, but they learned a lot. 261 00:12:00,676 --> 00:12:03,636 I was told she had that drive to go get it. 262 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:05,329 You know, it was like she had a purpose, 263 00:12:05,376 --> 00:12:07,806 she wanted to be there. 264 00:12:07,857 --> 00:12:09,767 The first time I seen her wrestling, 265 00:12:09,816 --> 00:12:11,296 the place was jam packed. 266 00:12:11,339 --> 00:12:12,819 Throwing each other out the ring, 267 00:12:12,862 --> 00:12:16,132 they're kicking, body slamming. 268 00:12:16,170 --> 00:12:19,520 I just figured, you know, this is one tough lady. 269 00:12:19,564 --> 00:12:23,394 Being one of the first black females to get into the 270 00:12:23,438 --> 00:12:28,138 wrestling business, the KKKs was at their fullest. 271 00:12:28,182 --> 00:12:31,272 Segregation was really bad at that time. 272 00:12:31,315 --> 00:12:32,615 Whenever they were on the road, 273 00:12:32,664 --> 00:12:34,884 my mother was very protective. 274 00:12:34,928 --> 00:12:36,928 There was a time in Mississippi, 275 00:12:36,973 --> 00:12:40,323 she did have a run-in with some KKKs. 276 00:12:40,368 --> 00:12:43,498 She was thrown on the floor of the bus, 277 00:12:43,545 --> 00:12:45,935 and she was scared for her life. 278 00:12:48,855 --> 00:12:51,505 She'd 'a had to have been super passionate because, see, 279 00:12:51,553 --> 00:12:55,253 in 1964, she was ranked #4 in the world. 280 00:12:55,296 --> 00:12:57,906 If she would 'a had the opportunity to fight for 281 00:12:57,951 --> 00:13:00,481 the world's title, she probably would 'a won it, 282 00:13:00,518 --> 00:13:03,428 but Moolah was most definitely not gonna let a 283 00:13:03,478 --> 00:13:07,128 student challenge her for the world's title. 284 00:13:08,875 --> 00:13:12,005 When my mom went into wrestling, 285 00:13:12,052 --> 00:13:14,792 she left us with one of her sisters. 286 00:13:14,837 --> 00:13:18,227 She'd call us names, "half-breeds." 287 00:13:18,275 --> 00:13:20,495 She was a witch. 288 00:13:20,538 --> 00:13:23,848 God forgive me. She's dead and gone. 289 00:13:23,890 --> 00:13:26,680 Every time my mother went on the road and she come back, 290 00:13:26,718 --> 00:13:28,848 just about, she was pregnant. 291 00:13:28,895 --> 00:13:31,285 One of my aunts said that, "Every time you come back home, 292 00:13:31,332 --> 00:13:32,862 you come back home with one of these half, 293 00:13:32,899 --> 00:13:36,249 half white kids, half-breeds," and we got mistreated, 294 00:13:36,293 --> 00:13:39,863 you know, for years growing up because of our color. 295 00:13:39,906 --> 00:13:43,606 I hated where she had left us. 296 00:13:43,648 --> 00:13:45,518 I hated her career. 297 00:13:45,563 --> 00:13:48,703 But then, when I got the full story... 298 00:13:48,740 --> 00:13:52,660 from her, I kind of understood. 299 00:13:52,701 --> 00:13:59,361 There's a lot of abuse with Moolah and Buddy Lee. 300 00:13:59,403 --> 00:14:01,323 I saw her one time; 301 00:14:01,362 --> 00:14:04,102 this big old car had pulled up. 302 00:14:04,147 --> 00:14:06,667 She was getting out the back of the car, 303 00:14:06,715 --> 00:14:10,455 and it was only for a few hours. 304 00:14:10,501 --> 00:14:13,461 I didn't know the man's name at the time, 305 00:14:13,504 --> 00:14:16,684 but he thought it was time to go. 306 00:14:16,725 --> 00:14:19,505 My sister and I, we grabbed hold of her leg, 307 00:14:19,554 --> 00:14:22,214 but he kind of like pushed her, 308 00:14:22,252 --> 00:14:24,952 and she hit her head getting into the car. 309 00:14:24,994 --> 00:14:27,744 I don't know if it was intentionally, 310 00:14:27,779 --> 00:14:30,569 or it was an accident. 311 00:14:30,608 --> 00:14:33,218 My mom said everywhere she went and 312 00:14:33,263 --> 00:14:35,833 everything she did was done 313 00:14:35,875 --> 00:14:39,485 according to Buddy Lee and Moolah. 314 00:14:39,530 --> 00:14:43,750 I think she thought that it was gonna be glamorous and glory, 315 00:14:43,795 --> 00:14:47,055 but it turned out to be something totally different. 316 00:14:48,365 --> 00:14:52,405 I heard different stories about my mother. 317 00:14:52,456 --> 00:14:54,146 It's real sad. 318 00:14:54,197 --> 00:14:58,937 And I have, I have no reason not to believe that account. 319 00:14:58,985 --> 00:15:02,675 There was one gruesome time that we talked about. 320 00:15:02,727 --> 00:15:07,987 She was told to drink, and pop pills, 321 00:15:08,037 --> 00:15:12,517 and she was made to have... 322 00:15:12,563 --> 00:15:14,443 sex with other men. 323 00:15:14,478 --> 00:15:17,128 On the road, some of the promoters would pay 324 00:15:17,177 --> 00:15:20,917 some of the girls until they slept with other promoters. 325 00:15:20,963 --> 00:15:27,233 From what my mother told me, she was their favorite. 326 00:15:27,274 --> 00:15:31,104 And you can call it entertaining or whatever... 327 00:15:31,147 --> 00:15:33,757 It's still pimping and prostitution. 328 00:15:35,847 --> 00:15:38,237 Buddy Lee was not a nice person, 329 00:15:38,285 --> 00:15:40,415 and my mother was on the road, 330 00:15:40,461 --> 00:15:42,681 and she came home a day early and caught him 331 00:15:42,724 --> 00:15:46,214 in her bed with one of the girls that she trained. 332 00:15:46,249 --> 00:15:48,599 And, she threw Buddy out; that was it. 333 00:15:48,643 --> 00:15:50,693 A lot of the girls went with him. 334 00:15:50,732 --> 00:15:53,652 Georgia Brown was one of the girls that went with Buddy. 335 00:15:53,691 --> 00:15:56,091 I started to search for my father, and then, 336 00:15:56,129 --> 00:15:57,959 one of the first places where I started was 337 00:15:58,000 --> 00:15:59,830 with The Fabulous Moolah. 338 00:15:59,871 --> 00:16:03,401 Honestly, I was almost kind of afraid a little bit because 339 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:05,310 I heard of the Moolah that everybody else 340 00:16:05,355 --> 00:16:07,705 talked about, but... 341 00:16:07,749 --> 00:16:12,279 the Moolah that I met, she seemed to be a fine lady. 342 00:16:12,319 --> 00:16:13,709 I asked Moolah, 343 00:16:13,755 --> 00:16:16,145 "Did my mother ever talk about who my father was?" 344 00:16:16,192 --> 00:16:18,112 And Moolah took me to her wall and 345 00:16:18,151 --> 00:16:21,591 she pointed out this one picture... 346 00:16:21,632 --> 00:16:24,642 And I said, "Who is this guy right here in the middle?" 347 00:16:24,679 --> 00:16:28,249 And she said, "Well, his name is Buddy Lee." 348 00:16:28,291 --> 00:16:30,691 He was kind of rough on the girls. 349 00:16:30,728 --> 00:16:33,298 I think that happened with Sweet Georgia Brown, 350 00:16:33,340 --> 00:16:36,040 that she was one that had to go to bed with Buddy. 351 00:16:36,082 --> 00:16:39,172 And, matter of fact, I think the son, Michael, 352 00:16:39,215 --> 00:16:41,695 is proof of that. 353 00:16:41,739 --> 00:16:44,349 If Buddy Lee's my father, then that's who he is. 354 00:16:44,394 --> 00:16:46,834 I wasn't coming in to look for anything and 355 00:16:46,875 --> 00:16:48,305 I didn't want anything. 356 00:16:48,355 --> 00:16:52,915 I just wanted to close a chapter in my life. 357 00:16:52,968 --> 00:16:55,968 I knew that everything was over 358 00:16:56,015 --> 00:16:59,055 when my uncle burned up 359 00:16:59,105 --> 00:17:02,195 all of her stuff and he poured gas on it, 360 00:17:02,238 --> 00:17:05,758 and he set it on fire. 361 00:17:05,807 --> 00:17:08,807 Right there in front of us. 362 00:17:08,853 --> 00:17:11,513 At the end, she kind of thanked him because of 363 00:17:11,552 --> 00:17:14,422 the things that she had to endure, 364 00:17:14,468 --> 00:17:18,778 the things that she was made to do by Moolah, 365 00:17:18,820 --> 00:17:23,390 by Buddy Lee, by the industry itself. 366 00:17:23,433 --> 00:17:27,133 Listening to your mom describe some of the 367 00:17:27,176 --> 00:17:30,436 most horrific things she had to do, 368 00:17:30,484 --> 00:17:32,924 you can't just walk away. 369 00:17:32,964 --> 00:17:35,534 Regardless of the abuse she went through, 370 00:17:35,576 --> 00:17:38,616 regardless of if they made her use drugs, 371 00:17:38,666 --> 00:17:42,096 they made her use alcohol, whether they pimped her... 372 00:17:42,148 --> 00:17:44,448 She still was South Carolina's 373 00:17:44,498 --> 00:17:47,408 first black female professional wrestler. 374 00:17:47,457 --> 00:17:50,807 Honor it. 375 00:17:50,852 --> 00:17:53,162 Sweet Georgia Brown's life was shaped by 376 00:17:53,202 --> 00:17:55,642 forces beyond her control. 377 00:17:55,683 --> 00:17:57,553 For Moolah to succeed, 378 00:17:57,598 --> 00:18:00,988 she would need to build her own women's wrestling empire. 379 00:18:06,172 --> 00:18:08,302 The Fabulous Moolah single-handedly built her 380 00:18:08,348 --> 00:18:10,698 women's training school into a powerhouse 381 00:18:10,741 --> 00:18:13,001 that dominated the industry. 382 00:18:13,048 --> 00:18:16,698 It attracted young women eager to follow in her footsteps. 383 00:18:16,747 --> 00:18:19,447 In Columbia, South Carolina, there was a location called 384 00:18:19,489 --> 00:18:23,189 Moolah Drive and on Moolah Drive was the 385 00:18:23,232 --> 00:18:25,452 house that Moolah built, and also, 386 00:18:25,495 --> 00:18:28,535 a variety of other buildings. It was a compound. 387 00:18:28,585 --> 00:18:30,195 The women not only trained there, 388 00:18:30,239 --> 00:18:32,069 but they lived on the property and 389 00:18:32,111 --> 00:18:35,851 Moolah presided over it like a mother lion. 390 00:18:35,897 --> 00:18:38,987 She took girls from all walks of life, 391 00:18:39,030 --> 00:18:42,690 and she brought 'em in, she taught 'em a skill. 392 00:18:42,730 --> 00:18:45,730 She put it together like a group or a union and 393 00:18:45,776 --> 00:18:49,256 took care of the girls, and made sure they were taken care of. 394 00:18:49,302 --> 00:18:52,172 She was one of the most powerful women 395 00:18:52,218 --> 00:18:53,568 in the wrestling business. 396 00:18:53,610 --> 00:18:55,660 If you were a female wrestler at that point and 397 00:18:55,699 --> 00:18:57,959 you wanted to get booked, you pretty much had to 398 00:18:58,006 --> 00:19:00,786 go through Moolah or you weren't gonna work. 399 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:05,839 - I have a bunch of questions. - Okay. 400 00:19:05,883 --> 00:19:07,673 I took my truth serum before I came in. 401 00:19:07,711 --> 00:19:09,061 Okay. 402 00:19:09,104 --> 00:19:11,854 My name is Wendi Richter. 403 00:19:11,889 --> 00:19:13,849 Wendi Richter! 404 00:19:13,891 --> 00:19:17,291 I was a professional wrestler for over 20 years. 405 00:19:17,330 --> 00:19:19,720 The first time I ever watched a wrestling match, 406 00:19:19,767 --> 00:19:24,987 I watched The Fabulous Moolah vs. Vivian St. John. 407 00:19:25,033 --> 00:19:29,083 And I told my friend, "I could beat Moolah." 408 00:19:29,124 --> 00:19:32,354 The referee gave me Moolah's phone number. 409 00:19:32,388 --> 00:19:35,568 She told me to come on to Columbia, South Carolina. 410 00:19:35,609 --> 00:19:37,999 I was there within 2 weeks. 411 00:19:38,046 --> 00:19:39,566 My name's Victoria Otis. 412 00:19:39,613 --> 00:19:43,403 I wrestled as Princess Victoria... 413 00:19:43,443 --> 00:19:46,053 ...Victoria! 414 00:19:46,097 --> 00:19:49,227 I come from a very, very abusive childhood, 415 00:19:49,275 --> 00:19:52,575 and that's basically what took me to wrestling. 416 00:19:52,626 --> 00:19:54,106 You had to want it. 417 00:19:54,149 --> 00:19:57,239 You had to bleed, you had to cry. 418 00:19:57,283 --> 00:19:59,763 When I was wrestling, it had been about a year, 419 00:19:59,807 --> 00:20:02,457 and I was told by my promoter, 420 00:20:02,505 --> 00:20:04,675 "Look, I've done all I can do. 421 00:20:04,725 --> 00:20:06,805 I've tried to get you booked other places. 422 00:20:06,857 --> 00:20:08,467 The only way I can get you booked is 423 00:20:08,511 --> 00:20:10,771 I gotta send you to Moolah." 424 00:20:10,818 --> 00:20:13,118 I still remember a friend of mine telling me, 425 00:20:13,168 --> 00:20:15,258 "Vickie," he said, "Don't go to Moolah's. 426 00:20:15,301 --> 00:20:17,431 Find a job, get on your feet. 427 00:20:17,477 --> 00:20:19,697 Just don't go to Moolah's." 428 00:20:19,740 --> 00:20:23,530 I was warned, but I wanted to wrestle so bad. 429 00:20:26,312 --> 00:20:28,882 When you first got to the property, 430 00:20:28,923 --> 00:20:31,193 there's these big gates. 431 00:20:31,230 --> 00:20:33,360 After dark, the gates were locked. 432 00:20:33,406 --> 00:20:36,056 If you weren't home and you weren't working, 433 00:20:36,104 --> 00:20:38,544 you got locked out. 434 00:20:38,585 --> 00:20:42,145 Moolah had a roommate named Diamond Lil, 435 00:20:42,197 --> 00:20:46,847 and we all called her Katie. And, I really like Katie. 436 00:20:46,897 --> 00:20:49,197 My name is Diamond Lil, 437 00:20:49,248 --> 00:20:52,288 and Buddy Lee named me Diamond Lil. 438 00:20:52,338 --> 00:20:54,118 Katie come from a hard background too, 439 00:20:54,165 --> 00:20:55,945 and she was a wrestler, and she lived 440 00:20:55,993 --> 00:20:59,433 in the house with Moo, and she called her Ma. 441 00:20:59,475 --> 00:21:01,425 And she's been right there with my mother 442 00:21:01,477 --> 00:21:04,177 through thick and thin. 443 00:21:04,219 --> 00:21:08,959 Katie liked to drink beer, but she wasn't allowed to. 444 00:21:09,006 --> 00:21:11,266 Katie used to come out to the pond and go fishing, 445 00:21:11,313 --> 00:21:13,363 then I come in there and drop a 6-pack in the pond, 446 00:21:13,402 --> 00:21:16,882 and her and I'd sit there and drink beer. 447 00:21:16,927 --> 00:21:20,147 I was famous for getting the beer on the property. 448 00:21:22,106 --> 00:21:23,976 They had apartments. 449 00:21:24,021 --> 00:21:27,461 And she would put 2 or 3 girls in there at a time, 450 00:21:27,503 --> 00:21:30,903 and they would come down to the gym every morning. 451 00:21:30,941 --> 00:21:35,471 What I remember the most about my training at Moolah's 452 00:21:35,511 --> 00:21:39,041 was learning to drop kick. 453 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:42,300 I would go out there and drop kick, 454 00:21:42,344 --> 00:21:45,394 and drop kick, and drop kick, and just land on the mat. 455 00:21:45,434 --> 00:21:48,184 The mat wasn't soft. It was all bloody, 456 00:21:48,219 --> 00:21:51,789 and by that time, a lot of it was mine. 457 00:21:51,832 --> 00:21:55,272 There were buckets strategically placed. 458 00:21:55,314 --> 00:21:57,844 And it wasn't if you were gonna throw up, 459 00:21:57,881 --> 00:21:59,711 it was when you were gonna throw up and 460 00:21:59,753 --> 00:22:02,413 would you hit the bucket? 461 00:22:02,451 --> 00:22:05,631 The one thing that Moolah taught me, 462 00:22:05,672 --> 00:22:08,152 take a bite and growl. 463 00:22:10,285 --> 00:22:12,365 Moolah, she never trained me. 464 00:22:12,418 --> 00:22:18,768 She just took the money and she had the girls train me. 465 00:22:18,815 --> 00:22:20,295 She wanted her $300. 466 00:22:20,339 --> 00:22:24,389 Now, can you imagine, 4 girls in one little house, 467 00:22:24,430 --> 00:22:30,570 she's getting $1200 a month? In the 80s! 468 00:22:30,610 --> 00:22:33,400 And on top of that, she's taking 25% off of 469 00:22:33,439 --> 00:22:37,489 what she's telling us we're paid. 470 00:22:37,530 --> 00:22:39,450 Bull puggy. 471 00:22:39,488 --> 00:22:41,358 I'm sitting here 24 hours a day, 472 00:22:41,403 --> 00:22:44,013 making your connections with the promoters. 473 00:22:44,058 --> 00:22:46,838 All you got to do is sit your lazy butt in the car 474 00:22:46,887 --> 00:22:49,407 and go to wrestle, and collect their money and 475 00:22:49,455 --> 00:22:53,625 send me 25%. And I thought that was... 476 00:22:53,676 --> 00:22:55,496 that was fair. 477 00:22:57,854 --> 00:23:01,604 There's a picture of me in this brown outfit that 478 00:23:01,641 --> 00:23:04,951 Moolah presented to me at Christmas in front of 479 00:23:04,992 --> 00:23:08,522 all the girls, after she had given all of them 480 00:23:08,561 --> 00:23:11,351 a 5, or $10 gift. 481 00:23:11,390 --> 00:23:14,310 That was no cheap outfit. That was hand-beaded. 482 00:23:14,349 --> 00:23:18,269 That was a 2 to $300 outfit. She couldn't take me in 483 00:23:18,309 --> 00:23:20,399 privately and give me this outfit, 484 00:23:20,442 --> 00:23:21,972 she had to do it in front of the girls. 485 00:23:22,009 --> 00:23:26,229 That was another one of her little manipulation things. 486 00:23:26,274 --> 00:23:28,974 Everything brings back memories now, 487 00:23:29,016 --> 00:23:33,276 and it's like the flood gates get opened. 488 00:23:33,324 --> 00:23:35,414 I was in a match. 489 00:23:35,457 --> 00:23:38,327 I know it was the first or second week in September 1984. 490 00:23:38,373 --> 00:23:40,813 - - A girl... 491 00:23:40,854 --> 00:23:46,084 Shut up! 492 00:23:46,120 --> 00:23:50,340 Um... 493 00:23:50,385 --> 00:23:53,905 The night I broke my neck in the ring. 494 00:23:53,954 --> 00:23:59,924 A girl stumbled and she sat on my head. 495 00:23:59,960 --> 00:24:03,220 That was the day my world fell apart. 496 00:24:05,269 --> 00:24:07,879 It hurt so bad I couldn't stand it. 497 00:24:07,924 --> 00:24:10,584 I remember a moment at the hospital, 498 00:24:10,623 --> 00:24:13,193 they had my neck braced. 499 00:24:13,234 --> 00:24:16,114 I remember being on a cot. 500 00:24:16,150 --> 00:24:18,330 Then the next thing I remember, 501 00:24:18,369 --> 00:24:21,759 I don't know how, but I'm back at Moolah's property 502 00:24:21,808 --> 00:24:23,508 and Moolah's walking me out to the ring. 503 00:24:23,549 --> 00:24:25,249 She said, "I want to see if you can take a bump." 504 00:24:25,289 --> 00:24:28,159 I took a bump and I cried. 505 00:24:28,205 --> 00:24:29,815 Every time I took a bump, 506 00:24:29,859 --> 00:24:33,429 I felt like something was exploding. 507 00:24:33,472 --> 00:24:36,522 This went on for a month, two months. 508 00:24:36,562 --> 00:24:38,782 Moo comes to me one day, she said, 509 00:24:38,825 --> 00:24:41,345 "Hon, if you go see this guy in Holland, 510 00:24:41,392 --> 00:24:43,222 he'll give you pay day." 511 00:24:43,264 --> 00:24:46,574 I thought to myself, I can't wrestle, might as well. 512 00:24:46,615 --> 00:24:48,265 I get on the phone with this guy and 513 00:24:48,312 --> 00:24:54,142 it's separate motel rooms. 514 00:24:54,188 --> 00:24:57,188 The conversation after I hung up from him, 515 00:24:57,234 --> 00:24:59,544 with Moo was, "You know, hon, 516 00:24:59,585 --> 00:25:03,805 the nicer you are to him, the bigger your pay day'll be, 517 00:25:03,850 --> 00:25:06,240 and you could really use a pay day." 518 00:25:06,287 --> 00:25:08,027 And so, was Moolah sort of insinuating, 519 00:25:08,071 --> 00:25:09,771 like, the idea that...? 520 00:25:09,812 --> 00:25:12,992 When Moolah looked at me and said, 521 00:25:13,033 --> 00:25:16,383 "You know the nicer you are to him, 522 00:25:16,427 --> 00:25:19,817 the nicer he'll be to you." 523 00:25:19,866 --> 00:25:22,776 What else can I say? 524 00:25:22,825 --> 00:25:24,475 When this guy first picked me up at the airport, 525 00:25:24,523 --> 00:25:27,743 I said, "Damn, this guy didn't get beat by the ugly stick, 526 00:25:27,787 --> 00:25:29,827 he got beat by the whole damn forest." 527 00:25:31,617 --> 00:25:34,397 I wake up the next morning, I catch him right here and 528 00:25:34,445 --> 00:25:37,485 I grab his hand and I'm holding it. 529 00:25:37,536 --> 00:25:42,756 I said, "Dude, I will break your wrist." 530 00:25:42,802 --> 00:25:48,072 And she was fire engine red pissed when I got back. 531 00:25:48,111 --> 00:25:51,511 "I can't believe she didn't sleep with him!" 532 00:25:51,550 --> 00:25:54,470 Well, not a week after I got back is when Moo came to me 533 00:25:54,509 --> 00:25:57,689 and said, "Look, you can't wrestle and I need my rent. 534 00:25:57,730 --> 00:26:00,470 I'll take that yellow outfit, I'll take the brown outfit," 535 00:26:00,515 --> 00:26:04,295 that she gave me for Christmas. I left the property that day 536 00:26:04,345 --> 00:26:07,035 with my Chevy Malibu station wagon and 537 00:26:07,087 --> 00:26:09,127 20 bucks in my pocket. 538 00:26:09,176 --> 00:26:12,606 She dumped me and I never wrestled again. 539 00:26:14,529 --> 00:26:17,709 When I walked away 30 years ago, 540 00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:21,620 my heart was broke. 541 00:26:21,667 --> 00:26:25,277 I can't even explain it. I missed the road. 542 00:26:25,322 --> 00:26:29,242 I missed my friends, I missed my family. 543 00:26:29,283 --> 00:26:32,853 And when I left, do you know what Moo told the girls? 544 00:26:32,895 --> 00:26:36,025 She told them I was in prison for dealing cocaine. 545 00:26:36,072 --> 00:26:39,382 For God sakes, she couldn't tell 'em that I broke my neck and I, 546 00:26:39,423 --> 00:26:43,823 and I was of no use to her anymore so I had to go 547 00:26:43,863 --> 00:26:45,913 'cause then they knew their fate. 548 00:26:51,087 --> 00:26:53,957 I love wrestling. 549 00:26:54,003 --> 00:26:56,573 To protect this business, to me, 550 00:26:56,615 --> 00:26:59,175 is like protecting the country. 551 00:26:59,226 --> 00:27:03,966 If wrestling needed me, I'd do it in a heartbeat. 552 00:27:04,013 --> 00:27:07,453 All someone has to do is ask. 553 00:27:07,495 --> 00:27:08,885 Moolah! 554 00:27:08,931 --> 00:27:12,411 As wrestling gained popularity in the early 1980s, 555 00:27:12,456 --> 00:27:15,196 the WWF looked to replenish its roster 556 00:27:15,242 --> 00:27:16,942 with younger wrestlers. 557 00:27:16,983 --> 00:27:19,383 Moolah's protégé, Wendi Richter, 558 00:27:19,420 --> 00:27:21,420 was an obvious choice. 559 00:27:23,598 --> 00:27:27,518 Wendi Richter, hell of a person. 560 00:27:27,558 --> 00:27:29,738 Hell of a lady. 561 00:27:29,778 --> 00:27:33,698 She loved her business. She honed her skills. 562 00:27:33,739 --> 00:27:37,919 She worked very hard to become the wrestler she was. 563 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:39,830 Do you have an assumption as to why there was 564 00:27:39,875 --> 00:27:42,395 so much friction between you and Moolah? 565 00:27:42,443 --> 00:27:45,453 The only thing I can think of why there was so much friction 566 00:27:45,489 --> 00:27:47,669 is possibly she was jealous of me 'cause 567 00:27:47,709 --> 00:27:49,539 I was younger than her. 568 00:27:49,580 --> 00:27:52,450 And, like my father said, they couldn't put her face 569 00:27:52,496 --> 00:27:55,846 on a can of dog food to sell it. 570 00:27:55,891 --> 00:27:58,851 Wendi Richter began to eclipse her mentor, 571 00:27:58,894 --> 00:28:02,644 and she left Moolah's stable to join Vince McMahon. 572 00:28:02,681 --> 00:28:05,771 When I left Moolah's, I had a conversation 573 00:28:05,814 --> 00:28:08,084 with Vince McMahon and told him that 574 00:28:08,121 --> 00:28:10,081 I didn't want to live there anymore and 575 00:28:10,123 --> 00:28:13,743 I did not want my check going to her. 576 00:28:13,779 --> 00:28:19,739 I wanted the check to come to me so I knew what I was making. 577 00:28:19,785 --> 00:28:22,915 As soon as Vince took over from his father, 578 00:28:22,962 --> 00:28:24,882 he started making changes. 579 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:29,100 One advantage that he had was that a lot of celebrities 580 00:28:29,142 --> 00:28:32,752 had grown up in the New York area as fans of wrestling, 581 00:28:32,798 --> 00:28:34,928 and one of those was Cyndi Lauper. 582 00:28:37,628 --> 00:28:40,068 ♪ GIRLS, THEY WANNA HAVE FUN ♪ 583 00:28:40,109 --> 00:28:44,809 Cyndi Lauper was on an airplane flight with Lou Albano. 584 00:28:44,853 --> 00:28:47,733 And then, Lou Albano tells everyone that 585 00:28:47,769 --> 00:28:50,289 he was managing Cyndi Lauper. 586 00:28:50,337 --> 00:28:53,037 I created and made Cyndi Lauper. 587 00:28:53,079 --> 00:28:54,649 Took her from a nothing. 588 00:28:54,689 --> 00:28:57,039 I don't know if anybody knows it, but when she did 589 00:28:57,083 --> 00:29:00,433 "Girls Just Want to Have Fun," he was in it. 590 00:29:00,477 --> 00:29:02,257 That's how all of this came together. 591 00:29:02,305 --> 00:29:05,825 It all boiled down to that Lou Albano said, 592 00:29:05,874 --> 00:29:09,534 "I'm going to choose someone to represent me in the ring," 593 00:29:09,573 --> 00:29:12,663 so Lou Albano chose Fabulous Moolah. 594 00:29:12,707 --> 00:29:14,137 Whoo, I'm happy! 595 00:29:14,187 --> 00:29:16,407 And Cyndi Lauper chose me. 596 00:29:16,450 --> 00:29:18,840 Moolah may have the World's Championship Belt, 597 00:29:18,887 --> 00:29:21,587 but she also has Lou Albano on her side. 598 00:29:21,629 --> 00:29:23,409 Oh, Lou. 599 00:29:23,457 --> 00:29:25,887 As soon as Cyndi Lauper got involved with Lou Albano, 600 00:29:25,938 --> 00:29:29,588 Vince McMahon saw gold and fostered that connection 601 00:29:29,637 --> 00:29:31,857 into The Rock 'n' Wrestling Connection. 602 00:29:31,900 --> 00:29:34,640 - Happy New Year! - At MTV! 603 00:29:34,685 --> 00:29:36,295 The wrestlers giving their hand at it. 604 00:29:36,339 --> 00:29:39,389 They have been involved with rock 'n' roll in the past year. 605 00:29:39,429 --> 00:29:43,829 It brought the dated look of wrestling into the main stream. 606 00:29:43,869 --> 00:29:46,919 Wendi Richter morphed from the Dallas cowgirl to, 607 00:29:46,959 --> 00:29:49,049 Wendi Richter, a little bit more Cyndi Lauper-ish, 608 00:29:49,091 --> 00:29:51,961 little more rock 'n' roll, and that's what led the 609 00:29:52,007 --> 00:29:54,437 MTV movement there in 1984 that pretty much 610 00:29:54,488 --> 00:29:56,528 paved the way for the first WrestleMania. 611 00:29:56,577 --> 00:29:58,837 They were giving girls more of a push than 612 00:29:58,884 --> 00:30:00,584 they probably ever had before. 613 00:30:00,624 --> 00:30:03,414 They were really trying to escalate the girls up, 614 00:30:03,453 --> 00:30:06,673 trying to get equal to the men. 615 00:30:06,717 --> 00:30:08,807 It was the turning point for women's wrestling. 616 00:30:08,850 --> 00:30:11,640 Vince wanted to make Wendi Richter the equivalent 617 00:30:11,679 --> 00:30:14,769 as Hulk Hogan would be so he had a male role model and 618 00:30:14,813 --> 00:30:16,083 a female role model. 619 00:30:16,118 --> 00:30:18,378 Since the most widely recognized female champion 620 00:30:18,425 --> 00:30:21,115 of the previous 30 years had been The Fabulous Moolah, 621 00:30:21,167 --> 00:30:23,037 Wendi needed to beat Moolah for the title. 622 00:30:23,082 --> 00:30:24,822 Well, with that in mind, ladies and gentlemen, 623 00:30:24,866 --> 00:30:27,516 we'd like to introduce to you the number one contender 624 00:30:27,564 --> 00:30:30,874 for the ladies championship, Miss Wendi Richter. 625 00:30:30,916 --> 00:30:33,476 And the rest is history. 626 00:30:33,527 --> 00:30:35,697 Ladies and gentlemen, this title belt will be on the line 627 00:30:35,746 --> 00:30:38,486 at Madison Square Garden just moments from now, 628 00:30:38,532 --> 00:30:40,532 this lady to defend. 629 00:30:40,577 --> 00:30:43,617 Their rivalry was about to explode in what would become 630 00:30:43,667 --> 00:30:47,147 one of the most watched matches of all time. 631 00:30:47,193 --> 00:30:49,983 That was probably the most nervous 632 00:30:50,022 --> 00:30:55,292 I've ever been in my life. I knew every move mattered. 633 00:30:55,331 --> 00:30:58,681 There was so much at stake and it was against Moolah. 634 00:30:58,726 --> 00:31:01,856 It was the culmination of my whole career. 635 00:31:01,903 --> 00:31:04,563 Moolah had been very jealous and guarded of 636 00:31:04,601 --> 00:31:06,521 that championship for a long time, 637 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,430 but Vince was able to write the appropriate amount of 638 00:31:09,476 --> 00:31:13,436 money on a check and, that changed Moolah's mind. 639 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,260 And also, by doing that, 640 00:31:15,308 --> 00:31:19,398 Moolah got Vince McMahon Jr's loyalty for life. 641 00:31:19,442 --> 00:31:22,922 - 1, 2... - 642 00:31:22,968 --> 00:31:26,008 That's when everything changed. 643 00:31:26,058 --> 00:31:32,718 The winner of this title and new World Women's Champion! 644 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,760 Wendi Richter! 645 00:31:35,806 --> 00:31:38,026 - - Oh my word! 646 00:31:38,070 --> 00:31:42,770 When I won the championship, it was a feeling like no other. 647 00:31:42,813 --> 00:31:47,603 Everyone was up on their feet and screaming. 648 00:31:47,644 --> 00:31:51,004 I can't believe someone beat her after 28 years, 649 00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:53,299 and that someone was me. 650 00:31:53,346 --> 00:31:54,736 It was a big deal for the fans 'cause they wanted 651 00:31:54,782 --> 00:31:56,312 to see Wendi win, right. 652 00:31:56,349 --> 00:31:58,789 But it was a bigger deal inside the business because 653 00:31:58,829 --> 00:32:01,179 two generations of wrestlers had come and gone 654 00:32:01,223 --> 00:32:04,403 without ever seeing The Fabulous Moolah lose. 655 00:32:04,444 --> 00:32:07,104 It was shocking to the folks in the business who knew 656 00:32:07,142 --> 00:32:10,362 about the stranglehold that Moolah had had on the thing. 657 00:32:10,406 --> 00:32:12,276 Right here is the new champ, 658 00:32:12,321 --> 00:32:14,671 the terrific symbol of the new woman. 659 00:32:14,715 --> 00:32:17,625 My match against Moolah for the championship was 660 00:32:17,674 --> 00:32:20,204 kind of ground zero for women's wrestling. 661 00:32:20,242 --> 00:32:23,422 And, it moved towards a different level 662 00:32:23,463 --> 00:32:25,513 of women's wrestling. 663 00:32:25,552 --> 00:32:28,602 See, what a lot of people don't understand is, 664 00:32:28,642 --> 00:32:31,432 once you step in that ring... 665 00:32:31,471 --> 00:32:33,341 you're addicted. 666 00:32:33,386 --> 00:32:37,906 I think Moolah let her ego get in her way. 667 00:32:37,956 --> 00:32:41,476 And, Moolah couldn't quit. 668 00:32:46,877 --> 00:32:48,397 Wendi, show 'em what you got! 669 00:32:48,444 --> 00:32:52,494 Cyndi Lauper! 670 00:32:52,535 --> 00:32:56,235 Oh my-- We were on the top of a skyscraper. 671 00:32:56,278 --> 00:32:59,148 I was hot, I was hungry, 672 00:32:59,194 --> 00:33:04,114 I was thirsty, and it felt like the day would never end. 673 00:33:04,156 --> 00:33:07,676 When I went to visit my father and my grandmother 674 00:33:07,724 --> 00:33:11,254 in Kokomo, Indiana, people recognized me. 675 00:33:11,293 --> 00:33:14,213 I'm thinking, they know me in Kokomo. 676 00:33:14,253 --> 00:33:16,043 Even though Wendi was a household name, 677 00:33:16,081 --> 00:33:18,951 Wendi wasn't getting paid like a household name though. 678 00:33:20,868 --> 00:33:22,698 I found out, early in my career, 679 00:33:22,739 --> 00:33:25,739 that the men were being paid far more than the women. 680 00:33:25,786 --> 00:33:28,916 But, if I'm the only one saying that, 681 00:33:28,963 --> 00:33:31,793 one person can be replaced. 682 00:33:31,835 --> 00:33:34,745 Vince McMahon, he had been pushing Wendi Richter, 683 00:33:34,795 --> 00:33:37,095 gonna make her a superstar, she possibly was getting 684 00:33:37,145 --> 00:33:38,705 too big for her britches. 685 00:33:38,755 --> 00:33:41,445 He decided that she needed to lose the belt, 686 00:33:41,497 --> 00:33:43,717 and who's gonna beat her for the belt? 687 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:45,630 I was on the road constantly, 688 00:33:45,675 --> 00:33:49,065 but it was always matches against Moolah. 689 00:33:49,114 --> 00:33:51,594 Over and over. 690 00:33:51,638 --> 00:33:55,208 I'll never forget, one time, she got me in a move - 691 00:33:55,250 --> 00:33:58,650 the Boston Crab - with that, you never go all the way back 692 00:33:58,688 --> 00:34:00,818 'cause you can break someone's back... 693 00:34:00,864 --> 00:34:02,614 Well, she did. 694 00:34:02,649 --> 00:34:07,609 She tried to break my back. She wanted to put me out. 695 00:34:07,654 --> 00:34:10,664 My spine snapped like firecrackers. 696 00:34:10,700 --> 00:34:13,360 She was just so bitter. 697 00:34:13,399 --> 00:34:15,139 I really believe in the golden rule, 698 00:34:15,183 --> 00:34:17,143 treat others as you'd like to be treated, 699 00:34:17,185 --> 00:34:20,405 but sometimes you gotta treat fire with fire. 700 00:34:20,449 --> 00:34:22,799 And in the ring, when that bell rang, 701 00:34:22,843 --> 00:34:25,413 you had no friends. 702 00:34:25,454 --> 00:34:28,894 When I was to wrestle the Spider Lady for a 703 00:34:28,936 --> 00:34:34,066 championship match, it changed my career. 704 00:34:34,115 --> 00:34:36,155 It changed my life. 705 00:34:38,119 --> 00:34:40,119 I really didn't think anything of it. 706 00:34:40,165 --> 00:34:43,075 I thought, well, it's just another championship match, 707 00:34:43,124 --> 00:34:46,484 and it's against the Spider Lady. 708 00:34:46,519 --> 00:34:49,129 Wendi said that Moolah had showed up... 709 00:34:51,567 --> 00:34:54,397 She didn't understand why Moolah was there. 710 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,140 I'd wrestled the Spider Lady before and 711 00:34:57,182 --> 00:35:01,532 I didn't recall her being that size. 712 00:35:01,577 --> 00:35:03,537 A very determined young lady. 713 00:35:03,579 --> 00:35:05,709 Gonna take one heck of a wrestler to be able to 714 00:35:05,755 --> 00:35:07,625 strip that title from her. 715 00:35:07,670 --> 00:35:10,460 The match really didn't go that good. 716 00:35:15,025 --> 00:35:17,765 It was just a wrestling hold. 717 00:35:17,811 --> 00:35:20,211 Spider going-- Oh, small package! 718 00:35:20,248 --> 00:35:23,598 The referee counted, "1," I kicked out, 719 00:35:23,643 --> 00:35:25,823 had my shoulder up. 720 00:35:25,862 --> 00:35:27,342 "2, 3." 721 00:35:29,605 --> 00:35:33,085 - And that was it. - 722 00:35:33,131 --> 00:35:35,091 What was that? 723 00:35:35,133 --> 00:35:38,013 It appears that the referee has made a 3-count. 724 00:35:38,048 --> 00:35:41,568 - - The match was over. 725 00:35:41,617 --> 00:35:45,187 Then, the masked person... 726 00:35:45,230 --> 00:35:48,760 took their mask off... 727 00:35:48,798 --> 00:35:51,448 And it was Moolah. 728 00:35:51,497 --> 00:35:54,277 - It is Moolah! - 729 00:35:54,326 --> 00:35:56,196 It is Moolah! Take a look, kids! 730 00:35:56,241 --> 00:35:59,201 Fabulous Moolah, the oldest, saltiest dog in the yard 731 00:35:59,244 --> 00:36:01,204 that knows all the tricks, she was the one 732 00:36:01,246 --> 00:36:02,986 that was chosen because it was thought that 733 00:36:03,030 --> 00:36:04,990 if things did break down, 734 00:36:05,032 --> 00:36:07,562 that she could handle Wendi legitimately anyway. 735 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,860 Did you have any idea that, that was Moolah... 736 00:36:10,907 --> 00:36:11,997 - Mm-mm. - ...In the match, at all? 737 00:36:12,039 --> 00:36:14,819 No. I couldn't tell who it was. 738 00:36:14,868 --> 00:36:17,648 Moolah! Moolah! 739 00:36:17,697 --> 00:36:19,827 It was obvious who was under that mask. 740 00:36:19,873 --> 00:36:23,663 Everybody in the arena knew who was under that mask. 741 00:36:23,703 --> 00:36:25,443 Wendi knew. 742 00:36:25,487 --> 00:36:27,577 This double-cross blurred the lines between 743 00:36:27,620 --> 00:36:29,710 business and story line. 744 00:36:29,752 --> 00:36:34,102 Whatever the truth was, Wendi came out the loser. 745 00:36:34,148 --> 00:36:36,668 I demanded to talk to Vince McMahon, 746 00:36:36,716 --> 00:36:40,066 and no one would tell me where he was. 747 00:36:40,110 --> 00:36:43,240 I probably would have killed him with my bare hands. 748 00:36:43,288 --> 00:36:46,248 What Vinny and Moo did to her, 749 00:36:46,291 --> 00:36:49,511 Wendi was over like $1 million at that time. 750 00:36:49,555 --> 00:36:55,515 Her and Cyndi Lauper, and the cartoon, The Goonies... 751 00:36:55,561 --> 00:36:57,691 You know, Wendi was over as big as Hogan, 752 00:36:57,737 --> 00:37:00,037 and maybe that was the problem. 753 00:37:00,087 --> 00:37:07,487 The only thing I can think of is I was asking to be paid fairly. 754 00:37:07,529 --> 00:37:11,929 I feel like it was a sad situation that happened because 755 00:37:11,968 --> 00:37:14,278 the girls should be paid maybe more than 756 00:37:14,319 --> 00:37:15,799 they were at the time. 757 00:37:15,842 --> 00:37:19,672 But, when a promoter tells you who's gonna win or lose, 758 00:37:19,715 --> 00:37:23,105 you have to go with the one who's running the show, 759 00:37:23,153 --> 00:37:25,463 whether you like it or not; that was her choice 760 00:37:25,504 --> 00:37:28,074 to walk away from it. 761 00:37:28,115 --> 00:37:30,195 If everything had worked with Wendi, 762 00:37:30,248 --> 00:37:34,078 there would've been an established women's division 763 00:37:34,121 --> 00:37:37,471 with women featured in more important matches 764 00:37:37,516 --> 00:37:39,776 a lot before it actually happened. 765 00:37:39,822 --> 00:37:43,652 I was angry for what she just did to women's wrestling. 766 00:37:43,696 --> 00:37:47,126 For so long she held it back, she held it back, 767 00:37:47,177 --> 00:37:49,307 she held it back. Then, finally, 768 00:37:49,354 --> 00:37:53,364 it started to bloom and she killed it. 769 00:37:53,401 --> 00:37:55,621 I think Moolah was afraid. 770 00:37:55,664 --> 00:37:59,324 I think she was afraid of walking away. 771 00:37:59,364 --> 00:38:04,114 I left the arena fully dressed in my wrestling suit, 772 00:38:04,151 --> 00:38:06,331 I hailed a cab in New York city, 773 00:38:06,371 --> 00:38:08,551 and went to the airport. 774 00:38:08,590 --> 00:38:12,510 They were dead in my life. They were dead. 775 00:38:16,772 --> 00:38:19,562 Have you ever seen the footage of the match? 776 00:38:19,601 --> 00:38:23,691 I almost did. I couldn't bear to see it. 777 00:38:23,736 --> 00:38:26,826 What good would it do? The bitch is dead, okay! 778 00:38:26,869 --> 00:38:29,789 I don't need to see it. I was there. 779 00:38:37,227 --> 00:38:40,447 In 1995, The Fabulous Moolah became the first woman 780 00:38:40,492 --> 00:38:45,672 inducted into the WWF Wrestling Hall of Fame. 781 00:38:45,714 --> 00:38:49,984 Tonight is the greatest night of my life, 782 00:38:50,023 --> 00:38:54,553 being inducted into the WWF Hall of Fame. 783 00:38:54,593 --> 00:38:56,683 By the year 2000, the WWF 784 00:38:56,725 --> 00:39:00,025 had phased out traditional women's athletic wrestling, 785 00:39:00,076 --> 00:39:03,856 in favor of strip matches and comedy story lines. 786 00:39:03,906 --> 00:39:06,906 But Moolah showed no sign of slowing down. 787 00:39:06,953 --> 00:39:11,003 She teamed up with fellow wrestling legend Mae Young. 788 00:39:11,044 --> 00:39:13,534 Mae Young wrestled in 7 different decades. 789 00:39:13,568 --> 00:39:16,698 She was tougher than Moolah, and that's saying something. 790 00:39:16,745 --> 00:39:20,485 Years ago, they, they had to put up a chicken wire fence up 791 00:39:20,532 --> 00:39:23,842 over the ring because they hated me so bad. 792 00:39:23,883 --> 00:39:26,633 It's insane that more people saw Moolah and Mae 793 00:39:26,668 --> 00:39:29,188 in the late 90s and early 2000s 794 00:39:29,236 --> 00:39:31,496 when they were both everybody's grandmother. 795 00:39:31,543 --> 00:39:33,893 Or, maybe the Addams family's grandmother. 796 00:39:33,936 --> 00:39:35,546 I have to be real careful with her. 797 00:39:35,590 --> 00:39:38,550 Everywhere I go, she either wants to get drunk or naked. 798 00:39:38,593 --> 00:39:40,033 This would be the place, I guess. 799 00:39:41,335 --> 00:39:42,855 And then, of course, they go out on TV and 800 00:39:42,902 --> 00:39:46,342 they can take the tremendous bumps and incredible falls, 801 00:39:46,384 --> 00:39:49,264 and still somehow not break into a million pieces. 802 00:39:49,299 --> 00:39:50,779 Ah! Come on! 803 00:39:50,823 --> 00:39:55,133 She should've stopped in her 60s, but she couldn't. 804 00:39:55,175 --> 00:39:57,175 I mean, my God, she was 80 years old, 805 00:39:57,220 --> 00:40:01,530 wearing a checkered school girl outfit. 806 00:40:01,573 --> 00:40:03,533 - - No, no, stop. 807 00:40:03,575 --> 00:40:06,315 - Stop. Scooter, stop it. - 808 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,890 Stop. Sh. 809 00:40:09,929 --> 00:40:13,369 I get the last word, not you. Be a good boy. 810 00:40:17,327 --> 00:40:19,067 What was her funeral like? 811 00:40:19,112 --> 00:40:21,462 It was crowded and I don't-- I'll tell you the truth, 812 00:40:21,506 --> 00:40:24,636 I don't know. I was just in a daze the whole time. 813 00:40:24,683 --> 00:40:27,603 I didn't even know that he was there. 814 00:40:27,642 --> 00:40:31,992 I just remember thinking that it was the end of an era. 815 00:40:32,038 --> 00:40:37,168 In 2007, Moolah passed away at the age of 84. 816 00:40:37,217 --> 00:40:39,867 The wrestling families showed up in large numbers 817 00:40:39,915 --> 00:40:41,865 to pay their respects. 818 00:40:41,917 --> 00:40:45,917 This is where she's buried. This is hers here. 819 00:40:45,965 --> 00:40:49,355 And this is Katie's and this was Johnnie Mae's here. 820 00:40:49,403 --> 00:40:50,843 She had that little thing put there. 821 00:40:50,883 --> 00:40:52,283 She said, "When you wanna come talk to me, 822 00:40:52,319 --> 00:40:53,839 there's a bench in there. 823 00:40:53,886 --> 00:40:57,276 You won't get wet if it's raining." 824 00:40:57,324 --> 00:41:01,334 She was all I had. 825 00:41:01,371 --> 00:41:03,901 And, I miss her every day. 826 00:41:03,939 --> 00:41:06,549 No one can ever, can ever 827 00:41:06,594 --> 00:41:10,864 be as good as she was. Never. 828 00:41:10,903 --> 00:41:13,913 Women's wrestling today has undergone a renaissance 829 00:41:13,949 --> 00:41:16,999 I don't think would have been possible without the rise of 830 00:41:17,039 --> 00:41:19,829 women in mixed martial arts, and specifically, Ronda Rousey. 831 00:41:19,868 --> 00:41:22,698 Now it's so much more refined. 832 00:41:22,741 --> 00:41:26,401 It wasn't that way in Moolah's day because 833 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,880 that wasn't her strong point. 834 00:41:28,921 --> 00:41:30,921 10 years after Moolah's death, 835 00:41:30,966 --> 00:41:34,316 her impact on wrestling remains controversial. 836 00:41:36,406 --> 00:41:39,536 Well, I think in wrestling there is blurred lines 837 00:41:39,584 --> 00:41:42,854 between your character and who you really are. 838 00:41:42,891 --> 00:41:46,071 I believe that the fans couldn't tell the difference 839 00:41:46,112 --> 00:41:50,382 between Moolah and the character she was playing. 840 00:41:50,420 --> 00:41:55,430 Nobody really knows how it hurts you to hear that, 841 00:41:55,469 --> 00:41:57,649 that you worked for somebody and they pimped you out, 842 00:41:57,689 --> 00:41:59,429 so you could get where you did. 843 00:41:59,473 --> 00:42:04,483 She was-- Had never once ever drugged any of us. 844 00:42:04,522 --> 00:42:07,792 It just really pisses me off that they're taking away 845 00:42:07,829 --> 00:42:11,959 the legacy of The Fabulous Moolah. 846 00:42:12,007 --> 00:42:13,267 I mean, I'll be honest with you, 847 00:42:13,313 --> 00:42:17,493 Bambi was never a famous wrestler. But... 848 00:42:17,535 --> 00:42:20,015 if there's one thing that I could do, 849 00:42:20,059 --> 00:42:22,629 it would be to save Moolah's name and legacy, 850 00:42:22,670 --> 00:42:25,060 and restore what she gave 851 00:42:25,107 --> 00:42:27,717 to the professional wrestling business. 852 00:42:27,762 --> 00:42:31,982 Moolah may have initially opened doors, 853 00:42:32,027 --> 00:42:34,597 but she quickly closed the door. 854 00:42:34,639 --> 00:42:39,379 She held women's wrestling back probably for 40 years. 855 00:42:39,426 --> 00:42:42,856 If Moolah had left Wendi with the belt, 856 00:42:42,908 --> 00:42:47,298 I think women's wrestling would have skyrocketed. 857 00:42:47,347 --> 00:42:49,917 She wasn't as big a star as Mildred Burke. 858 00:42:49,958 --> 00:42:51,698 She's not as big a star as Ronda Rousey, 859 00:42:51,743 --> 00:42:54,533 but she was the placeholder for 30 years. 860 00:42:54,572 --> 00:42:55,962 How do you think people should, 861 00:42:56,008 --> 00:42:58,618 should remember Moolah? 862 00:42:58,663 --> 00:43:00,273 Any way they like. 863 00:43:00,316 --> 00:43:02,276 Everybody have their own opinion. 864 00:43:02,318 --> 00:43:06,888 And me, personally, I don't have an opinion of Moolah. 865 00:43:06,932 --> 00:43:09,632 None that I care to share. 866 00:43:09,674 --> 00:43:12,984 If I choose not to like her 867 00:43:13,025 --> 00:43:15,195 because of what she did to me, that's fine. 868 00:43:15,244 --> 00:43:17,684 But, Moolah needs to be remembered. 869 00:43:17,725 --> 00:43:20,465 She was an icon in this business. 870 00:43:20,510 --> 00:43:23,640 You can't take away her history just because 871 00:43:23,688 --> 00:43:25,598 she's an asshole! 872 00:43:25,646 --> 00:43:27,996 All the girls that she trained remember her, 873 00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:31,260 and they know that they wouldn't be where they are now 874 00:43:31,304 --> 00:43:33,264 without her, and they wouldn't have had the 875 00:43:33,306 --> 00:43:35,566 career they had, without her. 876 00:43:35,613 --> 00:43:38,403 Whoever's starting these rumors, 877 00:43:38,441 --> 00:43:41,101 you're not just calling Moolah a pimp, 878 00:43:41,140 --> 00:43:43,800 you're calling me a prostitute... 879 00:43:43,838 --> 00:43:46,408 and that hurts. 880 00:43:46,449 --> 00:43:49,669 And, if you were not on that property, 881 00:43:49,714 --> 00:43:52,194 if you were not in that room, 882 00:43:52,238 --> 00:43:55,758 you don't know what happened and you need to shut up.