1 00:00:02,524 --> 00:00:05,014 When we talk about wrestling in the 80s, 2 00:00:05,048 --> 00:00:08,138 it's hard to imagine how popular... 3 00:00:08,182 --> 00:00:09,622 the Von Erich brothers were. 4 00:00:09,661 --> 00:00:11,191 Those guys were ready-made. 5 00:00:14,101 --> 00:00:15,361 The Von Erich family could've been the 6 00:00:15,406 --> 00:00:17,276 equivalent of the Kennedys. 7 00:00:17,321 --> 00:00:20,021 It was a dynasty. It was a family dynasty. 8 00:00:20,063 --> 00:00:22,283 They were the all-American boys from Texas. 9 00:00:22,326 --> 00:00:25,676 They are real-life Texas heroes, in the flesh. 10 00:00:25,721 --> 00:00:27,551 They didn't have to put 'em in a funny outfit. 11 00:00:27,592 --> 00:00:29,682 They didn't have to give 'em a different name. 12 00:00:29,725 --> 00:00:32,375 They had the look; they had the physiques; 13 00:00:32,423 --> 00:00:34,513 they had the athletic ability. 14 00:00:34,556 --> 00:00:36,646 They were superheroes in the ring. 15 00:00:36,688 --> 00:00:40,428 But then, there was constant bad news. 16 00:00:40,475 --> 00:00:42,735 The Von Erichs could have two legacies... 17 00:00:42,781 --> 00:00:44,741 They could have the legacy of being one of 18 00:00:44,783 --> 00:00:49,013 the biggest attractions, wrestling families in history. 19 00:00:49,049 --> 00:00:52,749 Or they could have the legacy as a cautionary tale. 20 00:00:52,791 --> 00:00:55,751 Von Erich is dead... Von Erich was found dead... 21 00:00:55,794 --> 00:00:57,414 Von Erich was seriously injured after-- 22 00:00:57,448 --> 00:00:58,968 He just couldn't take it anymore. 23 00:00:59,015 --> 00:01:01,015 I loved the wrestling business all my life, 24 00:01:01,061 --> 00:01:02,671 but it's not that important. 25 00:01:02,714 --> 00:01:05,504 Some people say, well, it's just the pressure of the spotlight. 26 00:01:05,543 --> 00:01:08,113 Other celebrities have been unable to cope. 27 00:01:10,374 --> 00:01:12,124 Who knew we were gonna have, you know, 28 00:01:12,159 --> 00:01:15,949 4 major deaths over the next 3 years. 29 00:01:15,988 --> 00:01:18,898 During their brief reign, the Von Erich family 30 00:01:18,948 --> 00:01:21,168 ascended to wrestling superstardom, 31 00:01:21,211 --> 00:01:25,821 but just as quickly suffered relentless personal tragedy. 32 00:01:25,868 --> 00:01:28,478 In this episode, the last surviving brother 33 00:01:28,523 --> 00:01:31,663 reflects on his unimaginable journey. 34 00:01:43,538 --> 00:01:45,188 You know, I wanted to get away from wrestling. 35 00:01:45,235 --> 00:01:50,195 I wanted to get out. I wanted to be anonymous. 36 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:52,680 And they say the Pacific Ocean has no memory. 37 00:01:52,721 --> 00:01:55,331 Well, here I am in the smack dab in the middle of it. 38 00:02:00,468 --> 00:02:03,298 No, this is it. 39 00:02:03,340 --> 00:02:06,170 It's the, the love, and the peace, 40 00:02:06,213 --> 00:02:08,043 and the harmony. That's-- 41 00:02:08,084 --> 00:02:10,354 You can't put a price on that, you know. 42 00:02:13,133 --> 00:02:16,923 I think I'm the richest man in the world. 43 00:02:16,962 --> 00:02:19,752 My childhood? Well, I was an older brother, 44 00:02:19,791 --> 00:02:21,921 and so, it was a lot of fighting. 45 00:02:21,967 --> 00:02:24,967 I could overdo that power of being a big brother, but... 46 00:02:25,014 --> 00:02:27,234 So, I learned not to. 47 00:02:27,277 --> 00:02:29,757 But, man, they adored me, and I adored them. 48 00:02:29,801 --> 00:02:32,501 There was this us against the world kind of thing. 49 00:02:32,543 --> 00:02:35,373 Please, don't think I'm in a bad way, 50 00:02:35,416 --> 00:02:36,716 that I've suffered. 51 00:02:36,765 --> 00:02:39,415 I consider myself the luckiest man in the world. 52 00:02:39,463 --> 00:02:41,643 These are some hunting pictures. When we were living-- 53 00:02:41,683 --> 00:02:42,903 We always hunted with our dad, 54 00:02:42,945 --> 00:02:44,285 these were when we were real young. 55 00:02:44,338 --> 00:02:46,818 This, we lived in a little, this is 16 acres, 56 00:02:46,862 --> 00:02:48,952 and this little shack; that's how we lived, 57 00:02:48,994 --> 00:02:51,654 out in the country, when dad was wrestling. 58 00:02:51,693 --> 00:02:55,913 And then, here's a shot just about 2 miles from this spot 59 00:02:55,958 --> 00:02:58,958 is this farm, and this is where I raised my boys. 60 00:03:01,268 --> 00:03:03,308 My dad always said, "Whatever you put into 61 00:03:03,357 --> 00:03:05,007 something is what you get out of it." 62 00:03:05,054 --> 00:03:07,324 He was a really good wrestler, a solid wrestler. 63 00:03:07,361 --> 00:03:09,231 There's no way 64 00:03:09,276 --> 00:03:11,496 I think he was the best of all time. 65 00:03:11,539 --> 00:03:15,889 But he was a vicious wrestler. 66 00:03:15,934 --> 00:03:18,114 Ah, my father... 67 00:03:18,154 --> 00:03:20,164 You know, wanted something different. 68 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,510 If you want to be a bad guy, be the best. 69 00:03:22,550 --> 00:03:24,550 And so, as far as my dad was concerned, 70 00:03:24,595 --> 00:03:29,245 a Nazi was about the most despised creature you could be, 71 00:03:29,296 --> 00:03:30,986 and he became-- he was a Nazi. 72 00:03:31,036 --> 00:03:34,076 Fritz Von Erich from Berlin, Germany. 73 00:03:34,126 --> 00:03:35,516 Here we go. 74 00:03:35,563 --> 00:03:38,003 He could create a lot of heat just coming across as 75 00:03:38,043 --> 00:03:39,483 the German hitting the ring that was gonna 76 00:03:39,523 --> 00:03:41,403 beat up all the Americans. 77 00:03:41,438 --> 00:03:43,788 My connection with the Von Erich family is, 78 00:03:43,832 --> 00:03:45,312 I was Fritz's right-hand man. 79 00:03:45,355 --> 00:03:47,005 Fritz was the main event. 80 00:03:47,052 --> 00:03:50,532 He was a huge star in the 50s and 60s, 81 00:03:50,578 --> 00:03:51,838 all over the country. 82 00:03:51,883 --> 00:03:53,543 If you're wondering what qualifies me to be a 83 00:03:53,581 --> 00:03:55,321 pro wrestling expert, 84 00:03:55,365 --> 00:03:58,185 almost 50 years of obsessive collecting, 85 00:03:58,238 --> 00:03:59,888 hoarding, and research. 86 00:03:59,935 --> 00:04:02,495 So, Fritz had gotten the reputation as 87 00:04:02,546 --> 00:04:06,116 the toughest guy in Texas. 88 00:04:06,158 --> 00:04:08,548 As little kids, our dad being the bad guy, 89 00:04:08,596 --> 00:04:10,206 we didn't see it that way. 90 00:04:10,250 --> 00:04:12,690 So, watching wrestling, to us, was torment. 91 00:04:12,730 --> 00:04:14,560 You know, when the crowd was cheering, 92 00:04:14,602 --> 00:04:17,472 we knew that was bad because without a doubt, 93 00:04:17,518 --> 00:04:20,778 he was the most hated villain of all wrestling, 94 00:04:20,825 --> 00:04:23,695 and so, one brother would have to watch while the 95 00:04:23,741 --> 00:04:25,741 other brothers would cover our ears and eyes, 96 00:04:25,787 --> 00:04:27,827 and you know, and wouldn't look. 97 00:04:27,876 --> 00:04:29,266 And the other, other brother'd say, 98 00:04:29,312 --> 00:04:30,492 "Dad's winning!" 99 00:04:30,531 --> 00:04:32,491 So, we'd start watching again, you know. 100 00:04:32,533 --> 00:04:36,233 We were so into it. 101 00:04:36,276 --> 00:04:38,316 Fritz also developed the, the Iron Claw. 102 00:04:38,365 --> 00:04:40,015 A blast through the Iron Claw! 103 00:04:40,062 --> 00:04:41,982 Applies it as only he can. 104 00:04:42,020 --> 00:04:44,330 The Claw's a hold that my dad invented. 105 00:04:44,371 --> 00:04:48,851 The crazy thing about it is, that after years and years 106 00:04:48,897 --> 00:04:51,117 of doing the Claw, 107 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:54,900 you get scary, crazy good at it. 108 00:04:54,946 --> 00:04:57,076 You just grab and you do this, you know, 109 00:04:57,122 --> 00:04:59,342 squeeze the guy in the temples with your big hands. 110 00:04:59,386 --> 00:05:01,606 You just... That's it. 111 00:05:01,649 --> 00:05:03,779 My name is Dave Meltzer, and I've been writing the 112 00:05:03,825 --> 00:05:06,345 Wrestling Observer Newsletter since 1982, 113 00:05:06,393 --> 00:05:08,743 so it's been pretty much my entire life. 114 00:05:08,786 --> 00:05:11,566 Fritz Von Erich was actually wanting to get out of wrestling 115 00:05:11,615 --> 00:05:15,005 and raise his family, and do a lot less traveling. 116 00:05:15,053 --> 00:05:18,233 It was always the goal of wrestlers in those days to 117 00:05:18,274 --> 00:05:20,104 buy a territory, become a promoter; 118 00:05:20,145 --> 00:05:21,495 that's where the real money was. 119 00:05:21,538 --> 00:05:23,238 Fritz had a big office, and he's the boss, 120 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,979 and he's the promoter with World Class Championship Wrestling, 121 00:05:26,021 --> 00:05:28,071 but he was also a very strong business person. 122 00:05:28,110 --> 00:05:31,160 Almost every wrestler that became a promoter, 123 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:34,330 you wanted your sons to be great wrestlers so they can 124 00:05:34,377 --> 00:05:36,157 be the stars of the next generation. 125 00:05:36,205 --> 00:05:39,245 I don't know that even if he realized how big 'a stars 126 00:05:39,295 --> 00:05:40,505 they were gonna be. 127 00:05:40,557 --> 00:05:42,167 We got into wrestling because we wanted 128 00:05:42,211 --> 00:05:44,301 to be like our dad. 129 00:05:44,344 --> 00:05:47,094 I was born into wrestling. 130 00:05:47,129 --> 00:05:49,479 One good thing about being brothers, 131 00:05:49,523 --> 00:05:50,963 we knew exactly what was going on. 132 00:05:51,002 --> 00:05:52,352 It was beautiful. 133 00:05:52,395 --> 00:05:54,395 Almost should be illegal, what an upper hand 134 00:05:54,441 --> 00:05:56,361 we had on other teams... 135 00:05:56,399 --> 00:05:58,579 because you know exactly what they're thinking. 136 00:05:58,619 --> 00:05:59,749 It was a perfect storm. 137 00:05:59,794 --> 00:06:02,064 The young Von Erich boys had debuted, 138 00:06:02,100 --> 00:06:03,670 had gotten a couple years' experience. 139 00:06:03,711 --> 00:06:05,101 They looked great, people knew 'em, 140 00:06:05,147 --> 00:06:06,277 and all of a sudden, now they're on 141 00:06:06,322 --> 00:06:07,892 this new-looking program. 142 00:06:07,932 --> 00:06:10,412 everybody knew who they were. 143 00:06:10,457 --> 00:06:11,847 All of a sudden, we're the #1 show at 144 00:06:11,893 --> 00:06:14,643 9 o'clock in the morning on Sunday mornings. 145 00:06:14,678 --> 00:06:16,938 They said, well, let's cover this like a sporting event. 146 00:06:16,985 --> 00:06:18,465 They would have the cameraman and 147 00:06:18,508 --> 00:06:21,688 they would have the sound guy, like, actually in the ring, 148 00:06:21,729 --> 00:06:23,859 you know, during the tapings. And you'd look at it and go, 149 00:06:23,905 --> 00:06:25,465 like, what's he doing in the ring? 150 00:06:25,515 --> 00:06:26,995 'Cause no other company would ever do that. 151 00:06:27,038 --> 00:06:30,908 We literally set the stage of where wrestling would go. 152 00:06:30,955 --> 00:06:33,775 They came up with a comic book where there's some bad guys 153 00:06:33,828 --> 00:06:35,528 that are trying to take over the universe and 154 00:06:35,569 --> 00:06:38,049 they need the Von Erichs because our hearts are so good. 155 00:06:38,093 --> 00:06:40,443 So that was just, we just cleaned up space a little bit, 156 00:06:40,487 --> 00:06:42,657 you know, just the riff raff. 157 00:06:42,706 --> 00:06:44,836 The girls just went nuts. 158 00:06:48,886 --> 00:06:50,886 There's no telling what magazine you would see 'em in. 159 00:06:50,932 --> 00:06:52,112 They were teenage heart throbs. 160 00:06:52,150 --> 00:06:54,890 They were teen idols - Kevin, Kerry, Dave. 161 00:06:56,590 --> 00:06:58,980 Going to the ring would be like a madhouse. 162 00:06:59,027 --> 00:07:00,547 The girls'd grab at us, you know, 163 00:07:00,594 --> 00:07:02,164 and of course, you gotta keep going. 164 00:07:02,204 --> 00:07:04,474 And so, pretty soon your shoulders are just, 165 00:07:04,511 --> 00:07:06,821 you know, scratched all up and bleeding, you know. 166 00:07:06,861 --> 00:07:09,171 The place would just go electric. 167 00:07:09,211 --> 00:07:10,911 I mean, your ears ring when you go home, 168 00:07:10,952 --> 00:07:14,522 from that shrill scream. That was what we shot for. 169 00:07:14,564 --> 00:07:16,444 We wanted that feeling, that intensity to 170 00:07:16,479 --> 00:07:18,439 stay that way until it was over. 171 00:07:18,481 --> 00:07:19,661 Kerry was the star. 172 00:07:19,700 --> 00:07:21,480 Kerry had the movie star looks, 173 00:07:21,528 --> 00:07:22,618 had the physique. 174 00:07:22,659 --> 00:07:25,269 He had great personality, just charisma. 175 00:07:27,882 --> 00:07:30,712 I've never seen anybody that had his strength. 176 00:07:30,754 --> 00:07:32,634 David was the best performer in the ring, 177 00:07:32,669 --> 00:07:36,329 psychology, movement, etc., athletically. 178 00:07:36,368 --> 00:07:38,328 David used to go to the ring with a big yellow rose and 179 00:07:38,370 --> 00:07:40,500 he was considered the yellow rose of Texas. 180 00:07:40,547 --> 00:07:42,807 Dave was a technician. 181 00:07:42,853 --> 00:07:46,343 There was not a hold you could surprise him with. 182 00:07:46,378 --> 00:07:48,158 Kevin, I think, was the athlete. 183 00:07:48,206 --> 00:07:50,946 He was just insane, the things he could do. 184 00:07:50,992 --> 00:07:54,782 He was probably by far the best raw athlete of the bunch. 185 00:07:54,822 --> 00:07:56,172 Then, Mike. 186 00:07:56,214 --> 00:07:58,134 Mike didn't have the size of the other brothers. 187 00:07:58,173 --> 00:08:01,053 He was real close with his little brother, Chris. 188 00:08:01,089 --> 00:08:05,619 Chris, funny, funny guy. Just loved life. 189 00:08:05,659 --> 00:08:09,529 The Von Erichs epitomized God, family, and country. 190 00:08:09,576 --> 00:08:11,006 They're heroes. 191 00:08:11,055 --> 00:08:13,095 Completely more popular than movie stars, 192 00:08:13,144 --> 00:08:14,764 and more accessible. 193 00:08:14,798 --> 00:08:16,098 From the time the kids were young, 194 00:08:16,147 --> 00:08:20,057 if they won an award in school, athletic award, 195 00:08:20,108 --> 00:08:21,978 it was talked about on the television show. 196 00:08:22,023 --> 00:08:24,553 And they were in wrestling magazines with pictures, 197 00:08:24,591 --> 00:08:27,071 out hunting or fishing out in Lake Dallas 198 00:08:27,115 --> 00:08:28,505 with their famous father. 199 00:08:28,551 --> 00:08:30,861 They grew up in the public eye. 200 00:08:30,901 --> 00:08:33,771 they grew up on television; that's a lot of pressure. 201 00:08:33,817 --> 00:08:36,297 I'd like to say that it was, you know, 202 00:08:36,341 --> 00:08:39,561 clean cut guys, but I think people realized we were human. 203 00:08:39,606 --> 00:08:42,736 But, you can guarantee us that we had pure hearts, 204 00:08:42,783 --> 00:08:45,393 and we had good motives, and maybe that was 205 00:08:45,437 --> 00:08:47,827 something real about us, that we were a family and 206 00:08:47,875 --> 00:08:51,095 we did love each other and care and regard our fans 207 00:08:51,139 --> 00:08:54,189 as people and not tickets. 208 00:08:54,229 --> 00:08:56,229 And so, to their fans, 209 00:08:56,274 --> 00:08:58,544 they were more members of the family in some cases. 210 00:08:58,581 --> 00:09:00,801 There is something about those boys, 211 00:09:00,844 --> 00:09:02,504 every one of 'em, that everyone loves 'em, 212 00:09:02,542 --> 00:09:03,672 and I love 'em. 213 00:09:03,717 --> 00:09:05,017 So, literally, it was almost like, I think, 214 00:09:05,066 --> 00:09:07,236 everyone felt like they were the parents and 215 00:09:07,285 --> 00:09:08,895 they had watched these kids grow up. 216 00:09:08,939 --> 00:09:10,509 They were busy on the road 'cause you gotta realize, 217 00:09:10,550 --> 00:09:12,770 it's a 365-day job. 218 00:09:12,813 --> 00:09:14,953 In other words, these guys were wrestling everywhere, 219 00:09:14,989 --> 00:09:16,639 sometimes 2 times a day. 220 00:09:19,297 --> 00:09:21,597 The talks were already out there that David could be 221 00:09:21,648 --> 00:09:24,038 one of the top prospects to be the next 222 00:09:24,085 --> 00:09:25,565 World Heavyweight Champion. 223 00:09:25,608 --> 00:09:29,088 David was the worker. Everybody universally said that. 224 00:09:29,133 --> 00:09:31,753 He would've been the guy the NWA picked. 225 00:09:31,788 --> 00:09:33,788 Even before Dave went to Japan, 226 00:09:33,834 --> 00:09:35,754 he was sitting with my mother at the table and 227 00:09:35,792 --> 00:09:38,622 I said, "Dave..." I just had that really bad feeling. 228 00:09:38,665 --> 00:09:40,485 I was sitting there looking at him, and... 229 00:09:40,536 --> 00:09:44,316 Ah, was looking more and more pale to me. 230 00:09:44,366 --> 00:09:47,366 I got a phone call, and was asleep. 231 00:09:47,412 --> 00:09:51,552 To this day, I can't stand a phone call before daylight. 232 00:09:51,591 --> 00:09:54,381 It just tears me up. 233 00:09:54,419 --> 00:09:58,469 This voice says, "David Manning? 234 00:09:58,510 --> 00:10:00,860 Joe Higuchi, All Japan Pro Wrestling. 235 00:10:00,904 --> 00:10:02,474 David Von Erich dead." 236 00:10:11,306 --> 00:10:14,266 And here, is after my first knee surgery. 237 00:10:14,309 --> 00:10:17,089 After my third knee surgery, my knees were shot, 238 00:10:17,138 --> 00:10:19,438 and I had to give up football. 239 00:10:19,488 --> 00:10:21,098 I guess Dave was comic relief. 240 00:10:21,142 --> 00:10:23,622 My parents, they knew how much I loved football and so, 241 00:10:23,666 --> 00:10:25,356 they said, "Dave, be careful what you say to him. 242 00:10:25,407 --> 00:10:26,967 He just got the worst news of his life. 243 00:10:27,017 --> 00:10:28,847 He can't play football." And Dave comes in and said, 244 00:10:28,889 --> 00:10:32,149 "So, I heard you're a quitter." 245 00:10:32,196 --> 00:10:36,106 When Dave died, I never got up from that all the way. 246 00:10:36,157 --> 00:10:39,457 It hit me like no other one did. 247 00:10:39,508 --> 00:10:41,338 I say I was the oldest brother, 248 00:10:41,379 --> 00:10:44,339 but I was the second son. 249 00:10:44,382 --> 00:10:46,602 Our oldest brother was Jackie. 250 00:10:46,646 --> 00:10:48,126 They lived in a trailer park because, 251 00:10:48,169 --> 00:10:49,429 since they were always on the road, 252 00:10:49,474 --> 00:10:50,744 they had a house trailer that they could move 253 00:10:50,780 --> 00:10:52,650 from place to place. 254 00:10:52,695 --> 00:10:55,085 You know, Jack was actually coming home from school and 255 00:10:55,132 --> 00:10:56,572 it had snowed. 256 00:10:56,612 --> 00:10:59,882 I think he was 6 years old, and as he was trying to 257 00:10:59,920 --> 00:11:02,570 step over the tongue or go around the tongue of a trailer, 258 00:11:02,618 --> 00:11:05,398 he touched it. Somehow it electrocuted him, 259 00:11:05,447 --> 00:11:09,017 and he fell in the snow face-first and drowned. 260 00:11:09,059 --> 00:11:10,759 I was looking for him, you know, 261 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:12,890 a little 3-year-old kid, and... 262 00:11:12,933 --> 00:11:14,543 looking for him, and... 263 00:11:14,586 --> 00:11:16,716 I knew something was bad and I was like, 264 00:11:16,763 --> 00:11:20,163 watching my parents. They were all crying. 265 00:11:20,201 --> 00:11:22,861 And, Jackie had been electrocuted. 266 00:11:25,597 --> 00:11:28,077 Came in and saw my dad punch a car window, 267 00:11:28,122 --> 00:11:29,342 just shattered it. 268 00:11:29,384 --> 00:11:32,044 He came out of that different. 269 00:11:32,082 --> 00:11:34,742 He was still an honorable man on the outside, 270 00:11:34,781 --> 00:11:36,961 but I think inside he wanted to die. 271 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:38,440 He was suffering. 272 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,830 He thought, "What have I done to deserve this?" 273 00:11:40,874 --> 00:11:42,754 He was at war with the world. 274 00:11:42,789 --> 00:11:45,789 He wanted to make everyone suffer like him. 275 00:11:45,835 --> 00:11:48,395 It was the first of unimaginable tragedy that 276 00:11:48,446 --> 00:11:51,666 that one family had to go through. 277 00:11:51,711 --> 00:11:53,151 When it came to David Von Erich, 278 00:11:53,190 --> 00:11:55,450 just you know, getting the news that he passed away, 279 00:11:55,497 --> 00:11:57,497 it was about... 280 00:11:57,542 --> 00:11:58,892 2 in the morning. 281 00:11:58,935 --> 00:12:02,285 And the phone rang and I picked up the phone and 282 00:12:02,330 --> 00:12:06,160 this voice says, "David Von Erich dead". 283 00:12:06,203 --> 00:12:08,423 And I said, "So, what happened?" 284 00:12:08,466 --> 00:12:10,466 "We find in room dead." 285 00:12:10,512 --> 00:12:11,772 It's 2:30 in the morning and 286 00:12:11,818 --> 00:12:13,688 I'm trying to decide, how do I get this news. 287 00:12:13,733 --> 00:12:15,263 Back then there weren't cellphones. 288 00:12:15,299 --> 00:12:17,429 And so, I got in my car, and - I'll never forget - 289 00:12:17,475 --> 00:12:20,295 it was just coming daylight, and as I pulled in, 290 00:12:20,348 --> 00:12:23,528 I could see Fritz in front of the motor coach in the window. 291 00:12:23,568 --> 00:12:26,268 And I got out of the car, and I walked to the door, 292 00:12:26,310 --> 00:12:28,490 and he opened the door to the motor coach and 293 00:12:28,530 --> 00:12:30,660 he looked at me and he said, "Which one?" 294 00:12:32,273 --> 00:12:34,843 So, I think he knew, for me to go all the way down there, 295 00:12:34,884 --> 00:12:37,024 it's something very, very serious. 296 00:12:37,060 --> 00:12:39,850 I said, "Fritz, they just called me from Japan. 297 00:12:39,889 --> 00:12:41,669 David's dead." 298 00:12:44,111 --> 00:12:46,241 My mother, she'd been told, and she just went 299 00:12:46,287 --> 00:12:49,587 running off into the woods. It was barely day break. 300 00:12:49,638 --> 00:12:53,418 My dad just... walked outside and stared at the sky. 301 00:12:53,468 --> 00:12:55,208 I went a little crazy. 302 00:12:55,252 --> 00:12:56,862 I didn't want to see anybody. 303 00:12:56,906 --> 00:13:01,646 I had to be in the woods and I stayed in the woods too. 304 00:13:01,693 --> 00:13:04,443 Fritz said, "You go to town, you make the phone calls. 305 00:13:04,479 --> 00:13:06,219 You find out what happened to my boy." 306 00:13:06,263 --> 00:13:07,613 I managed to get a hold of Brody, 307 00:13:07,656 --> 00:13:10,086 who was also a, you know, legendary wrestler, 308 00:13:10,137 --> 00:13:11,657 popular in Japan. 309 00:13:11,703 --> 00:13:14,233 Brody said that when they opened the door, 310 00:13:14,271 --> 00:13:15,531 the way he was laying, it looked like 311 00:13:15,577 --> 00:13:17,227 he was trying to get to the phone. 312 00:13:17,274 --> 00:13:20,324 I knew Brody always to be so tough and such a 313 00:13:20,364 --> 00:13:24,374 strong good man, but when he was telling me, 314 00:13:24,412 --> 00:13:27,722 he was like [stammering]... he couldn't talk, you know. 315 00:13:27,763 --> 00:13:30,113 He's crying inside. I never saw Brody cry. 316 00:13:30,157 --> 00:13:32,897 And he goes I said, "Frank! Don't think about it. 317 00:13:32,942 --> 00:13:34,772 Don't think about it, Frank!" 318 00:13:34,814 --> 00:13:37,644 And he goes, "He's dead, Kev." 319 00:13:37,686 --> 00:13:41,596 And I went, "Frank!" God, it was terrible. 320 00:13:41,646 --> 00:13:43,426 The next day, after Dave had died, 321 00:13:43,474 --> 00:13:45,784 you know, going to the mall in Wichita Falls, Texas, 322 00:13:45,825 --> 00:13:48,825 and you see like these like teenage girls, 323 00:13:48,871 --> 00:13:50,921 and they're all crying, and the guys are consoling them. 324 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,880 It was a big fricking deal in that part of the country. 325 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:57,140 It was almost like the fans had lost a son. 326 00:13:57,184 --> 00:13:59,454 I mean, it was emotional on 2 continents because the 327 00:13:59,490 --> 00:14:02,540 Japanese fans were so hung up in wrestling that 328 00:14:02,580 --> 00:14:05,710 when a big name foreign wrestler dies on their soil, 329 00:14:05,757 --> 00:14:09,237 I mean, there was memorials and the guys were broken up. 330 00:14:09,283 --> 00:14:12,763 I remember that airplane coming in with Dave's coffin on it. 331 00:14:12,808 --> 00:14:16,288 No one would look us in the eye because they knew we all hurt. 332 00:14:16,333 --> 00:14:20,253 We hurt so bad. And people hurt for us, too. 333 00:14:20,294 --> 00:14:22,304 The funeral was just insane. 334 00:14:22,339 --> 00:14:24,249 It was like one of those old funerals of 335 00:14:24,298 --> 00:14:25,868 the silent movie stars. 336 00:14:25,908 --> 00:14:27,868 There was a lot of wrestlers right here in this area. 337 00:14:27,910 --> 00:14:29,220 When they went to the funeral, 338 00:14:29,259 --> 00:14:31,389 the tears flowed. It was, it was hard to take. 339 00:14:31,435 --> 00:14:35,565 And so, we estimated probably 4 to 5,000 people, 340 00:14:35,613 --> 00:14:37,623 showed up for this service. 341 00:14:37,659 --> 00:14:40,579 It was just beautiful, expression of love. 342 00:14:40,618 --> 00:14:41,708 The schools let out. 343 00:14:41,750 --> 00:14:43,880 The Texas legislature convened. 344 00:14:43,926 --> 00:14:47,146 It was like... Texas got hurt that day. 345 00:14:47,190 --> 00:14:48,670 You couldn't get anybody else in. 346 00:14:48,713 --> 00:14:52,633 They literally had to put a screen outside and, 347 00:14:52,674 --> 00:14:55,854 and speakers outside for the thousands of people 348 00:14:55,895 --> 00:14:57,455 that were there. 349 00:14:57,505 --> 00:15:01,805 I didn't know that we were that big, I guess. 350 00:15:01,857 --> 00:15:05,687 Inside the business, we heard that he'd passed away 351 00:15:05,730 --> 00:15:07,600 in his hotel room in Japan; 352 00:15:07,645 --> 00:15:10,335 that generally only means one thing... 353 00:15:10,387 --> 00:15:12,997 There's all this word out that he overdosed, 354 00:15:13,042 --> 00:15:15,392 but there's no doubt that he didn't. 355 00:15:15,436 --> 00:15:17,566 One of the biggest rumors out there was that 356 00:15:17,612 --> 00:15:20,752 when Brody found him, Brody threw away all the pills. 357 00:15:20,789 --> 00:15:24,049 And we waited to hear that autopsy report. 358 00:15:24,097 --> 00:15:27,097 Fritz was adamant, "I want to know what the autopsy says, 359 00:15:27,143 --> 00:15:28,363 and whatever it says, 360 00:15:28,405 --> 00:15:29,745 that's what we're gonna have to put out." 361 00:15:29,798 --> 00:15:32,838 And, it came back, acute enteritis. 362 00:15:32,888 --> 00:15:35,108 His intestines, basically from an infection, 363 00:15:35,151 --> 00:15:37,371 swole up to the point they ruptured. 364 00:15:37,414 --> 00:15:39,684 his body filled up with blood and heart failure 365 00:15:39,721 --> 00:15:43,641 About 2 days or a day before he was gonna leave to go to Japan, 366 00:15:43,681 --> 00:15:44,991 he was throwing up. 367 00:15:45,031 --> 00:15:46,121 Fritz was very stern about, 368 00:15:46,162 --> 00:15:47,642 you make the shows you're booked at. 369 00:15:47,685 --> 00:15:49,765 So, he left and went over there. 370 00:15:49,818 --> 00:15:51,208 No, I'm telling you what really happened. 371 00:15:51,254 --> 00:15:54,344 We're not big shots that told the country of Japan 372 00:15:54,388 --> 00:15:56,998 to falsify those documents, you know. 373 00:15:57,043 --> 00:15:58,703 I'm a wrestler. You're not gonna... 374 00:15:58,740 --> 00:16:00,090 no one's gonna listen to me for that. 375 00:16:00,133 --> 00:16:03,483 It was gastro enteritis, a terrible way to die. 376 00:16:03,527 --> 00:16:05,747 And we lost him. 377 00:16:17,715 --> 00:16:20,585 Every man's gonna die... 378 00:16:20,631 --> 00:16:22,461 But we do our best... 379 00:16:23,808 --> 00:16:25,808 We do our best 'til that day comes. 380 00:16:25,854 --> 00:16:28,034 We had a guy named Glen Goza. 381 00:16:28,074 --> 00:16:30,084 And he had wrote, "Heaven Needs a Champion," 382 00:16:30,119 --> 00:16:33,079 and he literally put a song of, "there's a main event 383 00:16:33,122 --> 00:16:35,082 taking place in heaven and God brought 384 00:16:35,124 --> 00:16:37,434 David Von Erich there to be the star." 385 00:16:37,474 --> 00:16:41,394 ♪ YOU WORE THE FAMILY NAME WITH PRIDE... ♪ 386 00:16:41,435 --> 00:16:43,735 David Von Erich, as a person and as a wrestler, 387 00:16:43,785 --> 00:16:45,265 was a true champion. 388 00:16:45,308 --> 00:16:48,088 He had a great gift and he knew how to take it to the, 389 00:16:48,137 --> 00:16:50,047 to its fullest. 390 00:16:50,096 --> 00:16:52,746 After David's funeral, Fritz would hold the 391 00:16:52,794 --> 00:16:55,754 Parade of Champions event in his son's honor, 392 00:16:55,797 --> 00:16:58,797 which at the time, attracted the largest crowd ever to 393 00:16:58,843 --> 00:17:01,893 watch a wrestling event in the United States. 394 00:17:01,933 --> 00:17:06,113 There will be a new World's Heavyweight Champion 395 00:17:06,155 --> 00:17:08,715 crowned on that afternoon. 396 00:17:08,766 --> 00:17:11,376 The brother of David Von Erich - Kerry - 397 00:17:11,421 --> 00:17:13,821 was going to challenge "Nature Boy" Ric Flair 398 00:17:13,858 --> 00:17:16,768 for the NWA World Championship that had always eluded 399 00:17:16,818 --> 00:17:19,208 the Von Erich family, and this time he said, 400 00:17:19,255 --> 00:17:20,815 "I'm gonna win it for David." 401 00:17:20,865 --> 00:17:24,085 We were adamant. With the NWA - 402 00:17:24,130 --> 00:17:27,180 National Wrestling Alliance - we had to switch that title. 403 00:17:27,220 --> 00:17:30,440 I think that's where we saw Fritz had some clout. 404 00:17:30,484 --> 00:17:33,574 The dream of my brother is now my reality. 405 00:17:33,617 --> 00:17:36,007 Leading up to that match, we knew it was gonna be big; 406 00:17:36,055 --> 00:17:37,615 we didn't know how big. 407 00:17:39,536 --> 00:17:43,106 But all of a sudden, you got 42-plus-thousand people 408 00:17:43,149 --> 00:17:46,979 at Texas Stadium, and they're there to see one thing... 409 00:17:47,022 --> 00:17:48,722 that title change. 410 00:17:48,763 --> 00:17:50,593 Your referee is David Manning. 411 00:17:50,634 --> 00:17:53,034 Here I knew I was gonna go 412 00:17:53,072 --> 00:17:54,682 the title was changing that night. 413 00:17:54,725 --> 00:17:56,465 I was super happy for Kerry. 414 00:17:56,510 --> 00:17:58,210 I thought he'd make a great champion. 415 00:17:58,251 --> 00:18:00,251 Here we go! 416 00:18:00,296 --> 00:18:01,906 It was incredible. 417 00:18:03,299 --> 00:18:04,819 It's the Iron Claw! 418 00:18:04,866 --> 00:18:07,036 You can feel the pinching. 419 00:18:07,086 --> 00:18:09,346 And when, whenever that 1, 2... 420 00:18:15,572 --> 00:18:17,922 The whole place just went nuts. 421 00:18:17,966 --> 00:18:20,446 And then you got Kevin hitting the ring, 422 00:18:20,490 --> 00:18:21,970 you got Fritz hitting the ring. 423 00:18:22,013 --> 00:18:23,583 You can see Doris in the background. 424 00:18:23,624 --> 00:18:26,064 I'm presenting the belt, the media's going crazy. 425 00:18:26,105 --> 00:18:27,575 We had all the radio stations there. 426 00:18:27,628 --> 00:18:29,848 The yellow rose... 427 00:18:29,891 --> 00:18:31,681 in honor of brother David. 428 00:18:31,719 --> 00:18:34,159 It was a great night, and not bitter sweet at all. 429 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:35,590 Sweet-sweet. 430 00:18:35,636 --> 00:18:39,066 That was probably a bigger deal to the Von Erich boys 431 00:18:39,118 --> 00:18:42,338 than it was to Fritz, himself, and to the fans. 432 00:18:42,382 --> 00:18:44,822 With Kerry's championship win and 433 00:18:44,862 --> 00:18:47,212 a strong emotional bond with fans, 434 00:18:47,256 --> 00:18:50,996 World Class Championship Wrestling was now on fire. 435 00:18:51,042 --> 00:18:54,702 But with David gone, there was a void to fill. 436 00:18:54,742 --> 00:18:57,442 Fritz wanted to replace David because 437 00:18:57,484 --> 00:18:59,184 we were missing a piece of the puzzle, 438 00:18:59,225 --> 00:19:03,265 and we decided to look for another Von Erich. 439 00:19:03,316 --> 00:19:05,356 Whenever I saw Lance, he was the perfect guy. 440 00:19:05,405 --> 00:19:06,535 He was chiseled. 441 00:19:06,580 --> 00:19:07,970 He looked like he could be a Von Erich. 442 00:19:08,016 --> 00:19:10,186 It was a terrible idea. It was-- 443 00:19:10,236 --> 00:19:11,926 We had never lied to our people. 444 00:19:11,976 --> 00:19:14,756 It really hurt their image and it started the, 445 00:19:14,805 --> 00:19:17,325 the downward spiral of going a little bit quicker. 446 00:19:17,373 --> 00:19:20,123 They knew he wasn't a real Von Erich. 447 00:19:20,159 --> 00:19:22,419 They're lying to us. 448 00:19:22,465 --> 00:19:24,115 Lance. 449 00:19:29,516 --> 00:19:31,336 Growing up, of course, we wanted to be just like him. 450 00:19:31,387 --> 00:19:33,687 He's like real-life Tarzan. You know, climbing trees. 451 00:19:33,737 --> 00:19:35,997 Any river he sees, he gets out of the car. 452 00:19:36,044 --> 00:19:37,924 He'll dive in it, didn't care what's in it. 453 00:19:37,959 --> 00:19:40,919 We saw that fearlessness in every situation, 454 00:19:40,962 --> 00:19:43,312 not only in the ring, but in life and... 455 00:19:43,356 --> 00:19:46,226 you know, that's what we wanted to be like and it's, it's-- 456 00:19:46,272 --> 00:19:48,322 We're just grateful to God that we can, 457 00:19:48,361 --> 00:19:50,151 that we can follow in the footsteps and 458 00:19:50,189 --> 00:19:51,579 doors are opening in wrestling. 459 00:19:51,625 --> 00:19:53,185 And, you know, and we get to, you know, 460 00:19:53,235 --> 00:19:56,235 pick up where the Von Erichs left off. 461 00:19:56,282 --> 00:19:58,982 Kevin and I talk. You know, I go to Hawaii and see him. 462 00:19:59,023 --> 00:20:01,903 He's got 2 great boys now, Marshall and Ross. 463 00:20:01,939 --> 00:20:03,589 Gosh, they're so talented. 464 00:20:03,637 --> 00:20:05,507 And when I look at them, I see the brothers. 465 00:20:08,859 --> 00:20:10,169 Thanks, son. 466 00:20:10,209 --> 00:20:12,079 Can you tell us the story about Lance Von Erich? 467 00:20:12,123 --> 00:20:13,693 Yeah. Ah... 468 00:20:13,734 --> 00:20:16,174 Kerry and I were dead set against that. 469 00:20:16,215 --> 00:20:19,435 Of all of the angles that happened in the final years 470 00:20:19,479 --> 00:20:22,959 of World Class Wrestling, Lance Von Erich was the worst. 471 00:20:23,004 --> 00:20:25,224 They needed another Von Erich. 472 00:20:25,267 --> 00:20:27,567 Overall, it did a lot more damage than, 473 00:20:27,617 --> 00:20:29,007 than it did good. 474 00:20:29,053 --> 00:20:30,883 And then, when they got on the outs with Lance and 475 00:20:30,925 --> 00:20:33,095 tried to disown him, the fans just said, 476 00:20:33,144 --> 00:20:35,844 "Well, you're the ones that brought him and sold him to us!" 477 00:20:35,886 --> 00:20:38,316 That's where, I think, people lost a lot of faith. 478 00:20:38,367 --> 00:20:40,587 I have to say, Kevin was dead set against it. 479 00:20:40,630 --> 00:20:43,420 He felt it could get exposed and that Mike would be able 480 00:20:43,459 --> 00:20:45,899 to step up and take the role. 481 00:20:45,940 --> 00:20:48,290 People shouldn't say that Mike wasn't an athlete 482 00:20:48,334 --> 00:20:49,604 because he sure was. 483 00:20:49,639 --> 00:20:51,819 Mike was an incredible athlete. 484 00:20:51,859 --> 00:20:54,859 The 4th Von Erich is getting ready to start wrestling. 485 00:20:57,386 --> 00:20:59,816 Mike got involved in wrestling and he wanted 486 00:20:59,867 --> 00:21:01,647 to have the size as the other brothers, 487 00:21:01,695 --> 00:21:03,085 and he worked out hard. 488 00:21:03,131 --> 00:21:05,701 You know, he had the drive, he had the stamina, 489 00:21:05,742 --> 00:21:07,272 so it was hard for Mike. 490 00:21:07,309 --> 00:21:08,919 Mike was a great guy, 491 00:21:08,963 --> 00:21:11,183 but he wasn't cut out to be a wrestler. 492 00:21:11,226 --> 00:21:13,316 Mike had to walk in there and be David Von Erich, 493 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:16,009 and be a main event wrestler at 19, 20 years old, 494 00:21:16,057 --> 00:21:17,887 and he wasn't a great athlete. 495 00:21:17,928 --> 00:21:19,278 The only thing he had going for him is that 496 00:21:19,321 --> 00:21:22,591 he was called Mike Von Erich. 497 00:21:22,629 --> 00:21:24,409 I mean, he just didn't look like a wrestler at all, 498 00:21:24,457 --> 00:21:26,627 and he's in there with like Ric Flair and these 499 00:21:26,676 --> 00:21:29,546 big great wrestlers who are just carrying him 500 00:21:29,592 --> 00:21:32,512 in these matches that are just painful, in a sense, to watch. 501 00:21:32,552 --> 00:21:35,032 The injuries did bother him, you know. 502 00:21:35,076 --> 00:21:37,596 He was wrestling in Tel Aviv, and ah... 503 00:21:37,644 --> 00:21:39,304 against Gino Hernandez. 504 00:21:39,341 --> 00:21:44,001 Gino pulled just when he wasn't ready and out it came, and... 505 00:21:44,041 --> 00:21:46,571 this time it tore a lot of ligaments. 506 00:21:46,609 --> 00:21:48,609 Only a year after David's death, 507 00:21:48,655 --> 00:21:51,135 Mike dislocates his shoulder in the ring 508 00:21:51,179 --> 00:21:53,959 and is rushed to an Israeli hospital. 509 00:21:54,008 --> 00:21:55,748 They perform emergency surgery, 510 00:21:55,792 --> 00:21:59,452 and soon after, Mike is flown back to Texas. 511 00:21:59,492 --> 00:22:01,192 They literally took him home, 512 00:22:01,232 --> 00:22:03,632 and all of a sudden, his temperature is sky high. 513 00:22:03,670 --> 00:22:06,190 The fever hitting, went over 105, 514 00:22:06,237 --> 00:22:08,107 is what did the damage, I think. 515 00:22:08,152 --> 00:22:10,202 I put him over my shoulder and walked down the steps 516 00:22:10,241 --> 00:22:13,111 with him, put him in the car and took off. 517 00:22:13,157 --> 00:22:16,507 Mike Von Erich hospitalized for routine shoulder surgery, 518 00:22:16,552 --> 00:22:19,252 sustained a staph infection that escalated 519 00:22:19,294 --> 00:22:22,174 into Toxic Shock Syndrome. 520 00:22:22,210 --> 00:22:26,350 It was Toxic Shock Syndrome, what they called it. 521 00:22:26,388 --> 00:22:28,388 And the doctor comes out, and he said, 522 00:22:28,434 --> 00:22:29,834 "His blood pressure has plummeted and 523 00:22:29,870 --> 00:22:31,390 his organs are starting to shut down." 524 00:22:31,437 --> 00:22:34,737 He said, "We've done everything we can do." 525 00:22:34,788 --> 00:22:36,138 He said, "I don't think Mike's gonna make it 526 00:22:36,180 --> 00:22:37,490 through the night." 527 00:22:37,530 --> 00:22:40,620 And they told us, "Say goodbye to him." 528 00:22:40,663 --> 00:22:44,193 The hospital was getting like 250 calls an hour 529 00:22:44,232 --> 00:22:46,582 where they had to hire extra staff. 530 00:22:46,626 --> 00:22:48,186 People had been offering to donate 531 00:22:48,236 --> 00:22:51,236 their liver and their kidneys. 532 00:22:51,282 --> 00:22:53,422 We were in the room and Gary Holder, 533 00:22:53,459 --> 00:22:55,679 who was considered the chaplain of World Class, 534 00:22:55,722 --> 00:22:57,252 was there in the room. 535 00:22:57,288 --> 00:23:00,938 Gary Holder said, "God, you stand on your word. 536 00:23:00,988 --> 00:23:03,818 You said anything we ask in Jesus' name, 537 00:23:03,860 --> 00:23:05,860 'I will do it'." 538 00:23:05,906 --> 00:23:07,946 That's when I didn't even look up. 539 00:23:07,995 --> 00:23:09,555 I thought, that's disrespectful. 540 00:23:09,605 --> 00:23:11,035 You went too far. 541 00:23:11,085 --> 00:23:14,175 He took the Bible and he slammed it down on the table. 542 00:23:14,218 --> 00:23:16,568 And he said, "God, there is your word." 543 00:23:16,612 --> 00:23:18,922 "So, keep your word, God." 544 00:23:18,962 --> 00:23:21,442 And, it was less than 30 seconds after 545 00:23:21,487 --> 00:23:23,707 Gary finished praying, the doors opened. 546 00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:26,320 Bill Sutger came in the room with this other doctor, 547 00:23:26,361 --> 00:23:28,891 and his exact words were, 548 00:23:28,929 --> 00:23:32,669 "I'm not sure what happened, but everything's functioning. 549 00:23:32,715 --> 00:23:35,935 His temperature has dropped, so let's see where we're at." 550 00:23:35,979 --> 00:23:38,769 They couldn't believe it, but he, he's a fighter. 551 00:23:38,808 --> 00:23:41,548 And I want to thank everyone out there, 552 00:23:41,594 --> 00:23:43,774 all my good neighbors, for your prayers. 553 00:23:43,813 --> 00:23:46,473 One week later, we rolled Mike out of the hospital. 554 00:23:46,512 --> 00:23:48,042 He might have rushed it a little bit. 555 00:23:48,078 --> 00:23:49,648 He was so anxious to get back. 556 00:23:49,689 --> 00:23:51,869 And so, we did a big press conference. 557 00:23:51,908 --> 00:23:55,908 I, I, I know I'll be back. 558 00:23:55,956 --> 00:23:59,606 I can't wait 'til the Cotton Bowl 'cause I'm gonna be there. 559 00:23:59,655 --> 00:24:01,735 Do you have a message for your fans? 560 00:24:01,788 --> 00:24:05,568 Yeah, be at Cotton Bowl if they want to see me back, 561 00:24:05,618 --> 00:24:07,578 my very first time. 562 00:24:07,620 --> 00:24:10,670 I saw on TV, well, "Mike's gonna come back," and Mike-- 563 00:24:10,710 --> 00:24:11,930 And they were milking to it and trying to 564 00:24:11,972 --> 00:24:13,972 get people interested in it. 565 00:24:14,017 --> 00:24:16,407 I just didn't see how it was gonna work. 566 00:24:16,455 --> 00:24:17,925 And when he first came back, it was like, 567 00:24:17,978 --> 00:24:19,498 "God, I don't know if he should come back and wrestle." 568 00:24:19,545 --> 00:24:21,285 He probably shouldn't have wrestled to begin with. 569 00:24:21,329 --> 00:24:25,199 He looked really gaunt and hollow. 570 00:24:25,246 --> 00:24:27,116 I wondered if there was some brain damage. 571 00:24:27,161 --> 00:24:29,821 And that's when he attacked a stop light. 572 00:24:29,859 --> 00:24:32,469 Attacked a parked car one time. Just... 573 00:24:32,514 --> 00:24:35,214 Rages, you know. Nobody in the parked car. 574 00:24:35,256 --> 00:24:38,516 But, they always wanted a feel-good story at the end, 575 00:24:38,564 --> 00:24:41,784 and it always worked when it was stuff that they could write. 576 00:24:41,828 --> 00:24:45,958 But when it was real life and they couldn't control it, it... 577 00:24:46,006 --> 00:24:47,306 It didn't work. 578 00:24:47,355 --> 00:24:48,915 You gotta realize, when Mike came on the scene, 579 00:24:48,965 --> 00:24:51,965 the, the brothers were superstars. 580 00:24:52,012 --> 00:24:53,972 So, all of a sudden, you had big shoes to fill. 581 00:24:54,014 --> 00:24:56,764 And I think that was a lot of pressure that went on Mike. 582 00:24:56,799 --> 00:24:59,409 And early Saturday morning, Von Erich was arrested on 583 00:24:59,454 --> 00:25:02,814 suspicion of drunken driving and possession of marijuana. 584 00:25:02,849 --> 00:25:05,369 The Von Erich family attorney assisted Mike 585 00:25:05,416 --> 00:25:07,376 during his release from jail. 586 00:25:07,418 --> 00:25:10,418 He would be the last person to see him alive. 587 00:25:10,465 --> 00:25:11,805 Mike missed an event. 588 00:25:11,858 --> 00:25:13,988 If you were a Von Erich, you didn't miss an event. 589 00:25:14,034 --> 00:25:15,604 I remember that night, 590 00:25:15,644 --> 00:25:18,304 wondering where Mike was, what he was thinking. 591 00:25:18,342 --> 00:25:20,782 They had a bulletin out everywhere, 592 00:25:20,823 --> 00:25:22,093 had all the police looking. 593 00:25:22,129 --> 00:25:25,259 And, it was, I want to say, 2 days, maybe 3, 594 00:25:25,306 --> 00:25:26,736 before they found Mike. 595 00:25:26,786 --> 00:25:29,266 The news of another tragic death in the Von Erich family 596 00:25:29,310 --> 00:25:30,660 has hit hard. 597 00:25:30,703 --> 00:25:32,573 Mike had not been seen since Saturday, and reportedly, 598 00:25:32,618 --> 00:25:35,318 was depressed about being arrested the night before. 599 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,009 As his mother and brother looked on, 600 00:25:37,057 --> 00:25:39,187 the family's worst fears were confirmed. 601 00:25:39,233 --> 00:25:41,243 Professional wrestler Mike Von Erich is dead, 602 00:25:41,278 --> 00:25:44,798 the apparent victim of suicide. 603 00:25:44,847 --> 00:25:47,977 He overdosed. So sad. 604 00:25:48,024 --> 00:25:51,724 Everybody was just so sad. Dave, and now Mike. 605 00:25:54,030 --> 00:25:56,340 You know, I didn't know this was gonna get so emotional. 606 00:25:56,380 --> 00:25:58,600 Maybe I got-- I'm tired. 607 00:25:58,644 --> 00:26:00,954 These are 3 big things, I guess. 608 00:26:02,212 --> 00:26:03,872 You guys... Um... 609 00:26:03,910 --> 00:26:06,870 Could I take another break for just about 10 minutes? 610 00:26:06,913 --> 00:26:10,663 - Oh yeah, of course. - That was taxing. 611 00:26:12,875 --> 00:26:14,695 And once again, another Von Erich brother 612 00:26:14,747 --> 00:26:17,177 is called upon to step into the ring. 613 00:26:17,227 --> 00:26:20,397 Chris Von Erich was the worst part of the whole thing 614 00:26:20,448 --> 00:26:22,618 because he had had health problems. 615 00:26:22,668 --> 00:26:24,758 I'm sure he wanted to be like his brothers 'cause 616 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,370 his brothers were his heroes. 617 00:26:26,410 --> 00:26:28,630 Kevin was actually helping Chris work out. 618 00:26:28,674 --> 00:26:30,944 He had to work 10 times harder than everybody else. 619 00:26:30,980 --> 00:26:33,030 His body wasn't built like his brothers. 620 00:26:33,069 --> 00:26:35,069 He wanted to be a wrestler so bad. 621 00:26:35,115 --> 00:26:37,935 He just, it's not gonna happen. 622 00:26:37,987 --> 00:26:39,947 The Von Erichs were believable heroes 623 00:26:39,989 --> 00:26:42,599 to thousands of fans. 624 00:26:42,644 --> 00:26:46,394 But continual misfortune chipped away at their image, 625 00:26:46,430 --> 00:26:50,090 and they would have one last desperate attempt to revive it. 626 00:26:55,526 --> 00:26:57,046 My brothers taught me about wrestling, 627 00:26:57,093 --> 00:26:58,793 but I taught them about eating. 628 00:26:58,834 --> 00:27:00,884 Mike was really something special. 629 00:27:00,923 --> 00:27:03,973 - I thought you were full? - These are for dad! 630 00:27:04,013 --> 00:27:05,153 And we did a few TV commercials, 631 00:27:05,188 --> 00:27:06,798 shot it all night. 632 00:27:06,842 --> 00:27:10,022 For a joke, Kerry puts all these foot products over in my thing. 633 00:27:10,063 --> 00:27:11,243 I didn't even notice it. 634 00:27:11,281 --> 00:27:13,891 This is a gift from a fan, out here. 635 00:27:13,936 --> 00:27:15,366 Really old picture. 636 00:27:15,416 --> 00:27:17,326 We loved our fans, and to this day, 637 00:27:17,374 --> 00:27:19,294 the most loyal people in the world. 638 00:27:19,333 --> 00:27:21,253 We wanted to be like good 639 00:27:21,291 --> 00:27:23,691 and be good examples to kids. 640 00:27:23,729 --> 00:27:26,859 And, you know, after Dave's death and Mike's death, 641 00:27:26,906 --> 00:27:29,686 you feel like you're letting everybody down. 642 00:27:29,735 --> 00:27:31,035 It's, it's really hard. 643 00:27:31,084 --> 00:27:32,964 With this being the third death in the family, 644 00:27:32,999 --> 00:27:34,999 and being such a strong Christian family, 645 00:27:35,044 --> 00:27:36,744 I think the first thing everybody wants to do 646 00:27:36,785 --> 00:27:38,735 is question, "Well, if they're such strong Christians, 647 00:27:38,787 --> 00:27:40,307 why is all this happening to 'em?" 648 00:27:40,354 --> 00:27:42,144 I'm not saying that the boys didn't believe in God and 649 00:27:42,182 --> 00:27:44,582 weren't religious. They just sometimes 650 00:27:44,619 --> 00:27:46,579 didn't do things outside the ring that way. 651 00:27:46,621 --> 00:27:48,581 And I don't mean they were terrorizing the population. 652 00:27:48,623 --> 00:27:51,023 They were damaging themselves more than anybody else. 653 00:27:51,060 --> 00:27:53,320 But, because they were so closely identified as 654 00:27:53,367 --> 00:27:55,497 not only being Texas all-Americans, 655 00:27:55,543 --> 00:27:57,553 but God fearing Texas all-Americans, 656 00:27:57,588 --> 00:28:01,458 when things came out about car wrecks, or suicides, 657 00:28:01,505 --> 00:28:03,805 or... is there drugs involved in these things, 658 00:28:03,856 --> 00:28:07,206 or whatever, every move was covered by the newspapers. 659 00:28:07,250 --> 00:28:10,340 The Dallas Times Herald, the local television stations, 660 00:28:10,384 --> 00:28:12,524 and you could tell when you watched the television show, 661 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,000 you're seeing more empty seats. 662 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,260 You know, like, look - they were huge in '86, 663 00:28:16,303 --> 00:28:20,793 and by '88, '89 they were, they were pretty bad off. 664 00:28:20,829 --> 00:28:23,919 After so much tragedy, and with a family legacy 665 00:28:23,963 --> 00:28:27,493 in jeopardy, Fritz's youngest son, Chris, 666 00:28:27,531 --> 00:28:29,971 steps into the ring, attempting to pick up 667 00:28:30,012 --> 00:28:31,932 where his brothers left off. 668 00:28:31,971 --> 00:28:33,411 I think Chris felt bad. 669 00:28:33,450 --> 00:28:35,930 He wanted to try to fill the shoes, 670 00:28:35,975 --> 00:28:38,755 that it was almost impossible to fill based on his size. 671 00:28:38,804 --> 00:28:41,154 The first I remember of Chris was, you know, 672 00:28:41,197 --> 00:28:42,587 him just being like a little celebrity. 673 00:28:42,633 --> 00:28:45,513 The goal was to hopefully find a way to get Chris 674 00:28:45,549 --> 00:28:47,029 involved into the matches. 675 00:28:47,073 --> 00:28:48,423 If he was gonna wrestle, I want to hand him 676 00:28:48,465 --> 00:28:49,945 a really good ground game. 677 00:28:49,989 --> 00:28:52,249 You know, all the escapes and counters, 678 00:28:52,295 --> 00:28:53,985 and to be a technician. 679 00:28:54,036 --> 00:28:56,466 Physically, in no way, should he have been 680 00:28:56,517 --> 00:28:57,687 involved in wrestling. 681 00:28:57,736 --> 00:29:00,216 Because of his size, I think he had asthma. 682 00:29:00,260 --> 00:29:01,780 He had brittle bones because of the asthma medication 683 00:29:01,827 --> 00:29:02,827 that he took. 684 00:29:02,871 --> 00:29:05,481 It was really hard for him. 685 00:29:05,526 --> 00:29:07,526 Wanted have the big muscles and all that, 686 00:29:07,571 --> 00:29:10,051 but muscles are just looks. 687 00:29:10,096 --> 00:29:14,396 You've got to have agility, explosive, balance, snap, 688 00:29:14,448 --> 00:29:18,708 all these things that just didn't happen for him. 689 00:29:18,757 --> 00:29:22,937 And then, all of a sudden, Chris broke his arm. 690 00:29:22,978 --> 00:29:26,848 He couldn't work out. It was a big, big setback. 691 00:29:26,895 --> 00:29:28,375 Kevin was down there. 692 00:29:28,418 --> 00:29:30,158 They were down at the house in Edom, 693 00:29:30,203 --> 00:29:32,993 and Chris was just all upset and depressed, 694 00:29:33,032 --> 00:29:34,162 and this and that. 695 00:29:34,207 --> 00:29:36,427 He'd loaned me his VCR, and so, 696 00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:39,210 he called me at like 12:30 that night. 697 00:29:39,255 --> 00:29:40,735 "I want my VCR back right now." 698 00:29:40,779 --> 00:29:43,389 I said, "Chris, come on. Wait for the morning, okay? 699 00:29:43,433 --> 00:29:44,743 I'll give it to you in the morning." 700 00:29:44,783 --> 00:29:47,613 And, I hear his 4-wheeler drive around my house 701 00:29:47,655 --> 00:29:50,475 a couple times and took off. 702 00:29:50,527 --> 00:29:54,227 I knew he had a spot up on the hill he used to go to, 703 00:29:54,270 --> 00:29:55,840 so I drove up there, you know. 704 00:29:55,881 --> 00:29:57,491 He was sitting there by himself. I said, 705 00:29:57,534 --> 00:30:00,284 "Chris, what are you doing up here by yourself like this?" 706 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,540 He said, "Well, did you read my note?" 707 00:30:02,583 --> 00:30:04,063 I said, "Oh, what are you gonna do? 708 00:30:04,106 --> 00:30:05,926 Kill yourself or something, Chris? Come on now, bud." 709 00:30:05,978 --> 00:30:08,198 I said, "Chris, don't do anything crazy, okay?" 710 00:30:08,241 --> 00:30:10,681 He said, "I won't, Kev. I promise." 711 00:30:10,721 --> 00:30:13,511 I believed it, you know. 712 00:30:13,550 --> 00:30:17,550 Went back to my parent's house to check his bedroom. 713 00:30:17,598 --> 00:30:20,688 And, I said, "Does Chris ever write suicide notes?" 714 00:30:20,731 --> 00:30:23,951 Dad said, "I think you better get up there." 715 00:30:23,996 --> 00:30:26,166 So, I did get back up there. 716 00:30:26,215 --> 00:30:28,695 Wish I had never left because I got there 717 00:30:28,739 --> 00:30:32,049 right after it must have happened. 718 00:30:32,091 --> 00:30:33,741 I saw him laying there on the ground kind of... 719 00:30:33,788 --> 00:30:35,698 Choking. 720 00:30:35,746 --> 00:30:38,526 I said, "Chris, what did, what did you do?" 721 00:30:38,575 --> 00:30:40,355 I thought he might have took some pills. 722 00:30:40,403 --> 00:30:43,153 Reached, hooked his arm and put my hand under his head 723 00:30:43,189 --> 00:30:45,149 to lift him up and my thumb, 724 00:30:45,191 --> 00:30:47,111 you know, found the hole. 725 00:30:47,149 --> 00:30:49,939 That's when I realized that he shot himself in the head. 726 00:30:49,978 --> 00:30:53,898 Mm... Yeah. 727 00:30:53,939 --> 00:30:56,199 It was tough. 728 00:30:58,378 --> 00:31:01,818 With the last vestiges of the Von Erich family torn apart, 729 00:31:01,860 --> 00:31:06,820 Kerry accepts an offer to go mainstream with the WWF. 730 00:31:06,865 --> 00:31:09,385 It's another chance in the spotlight. 731 00:31:09,432 --> 00:31:11,432 You know what; when the crowd started dropping here, 732 00:31:11,478 --> 00:31:12,738 Kerry was getting big offers, 733 00:31:12,783 --> 00:31:14,183 would he come up and work for Vince? 734 00:31:14,220 --> 00:31:16,350 Would he make some appearances up there? 735 00:31:16,396 --> 00:31:19,876 Kerry, he took a, took a good offer from Vince and 736 00:31:19,921 --> 00:31:21,311 he went up there. 737 00:31:21,357 --> 00:31:24,877 After enduring several tragedies and the decline of 738 00:31:24,926 --> 00:31:27,406 his family's wrestling promotion, 739 00:31:27,450 --> 00:31:32,330 Kerry takes the Von Erich legacy to wrestling's biggest stage. 740 00:31:32,368 --> 00:31:35,148 However, no one knew he was wrestling 741 00:31:35,197 --> 00:31:37,367 with an unthinkable secret. 742 00:31:45,904 --> 00:31:50,604 There's a school picture. What a cute little kid. 743 00:31:50,647 --> 00:31:52,347 Were you guys, like, really curious kids? 744 00:31:52,388 --> 00:31:54,478 Like, were you really active and...? 745 00:31:54,521 --> 00:31:56,871 Kerry and I just showed off for each other 746 00:31:56,915 --> 00:31:58,735 all day long, I think. We just like, 747 00:31:58,786 --> 00:32:02,176 we took a chance a day, it was like... 748 00:32:02,224 --> 00:32:03,574 Yeah. 749 00:32:03,617 --> 00:32:07,227 A lucrative offer made to Kerry by the WWF 750 00:32:07,273 --> 00:32:10,363 was an opportunity to revive the Von Erich name. 751 00:32:10,406 --> 00:32:15,146 However, a secret from his past was slowly catching up with him. 752 00:32:15,194 --> 00:32:17,594 Kerry was supposed to be wrestling that night. 753 00:32:17,631 --> 00:32:18,981 I want to say Austin, or somewhere. 754 00:32:19,024 --> 00:32:21,164 I get the phone call, Kerry's been in an accident. 755 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:25,120 It's not life threatening, but he really busted up his leg. 756 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,120 Kerry was riding his motorcycle and ran into 757 00:32:27,162 --> 00:32:28,822 the back of a parked police car. 758 00:32:28,859 --> 00:32:30,639 I remember Rick Hazzard, I saw him, 759 00:32:30,687 --> 00:32:32,387 and he said, "Holy cow," he said, 760 00:32:32,428 --> 00:32:34,738 "his ankle looks like an alligator chewed on it." 761 00:32:34,778 --> 00:32:36,958 When they made the decision to amputate, 762 00:32:36,998 --> 00:32:41,438 I would have never, ever thought it could be kept secret. 763 00:32:41,481 --> 00:32:43,271 I guess Fritz thought, they didn't want to make 764 00:32:43,309 --> 00:32:45,959 Kerry look weak, especially after the other tragedies. 765 00:32:46,007 --> 00:32:50,137 So, they tried to hide the fact of his foot situation. 766 00:32:50,185 --> 00:32:52,575 He wanted me to promise to hide that, 767 00:32:52,622 --> 00:32:53,972 and we all promised. 768 00:32:54,015 --> 00:32:55,145 Anything we said to each other, 769 00:32:55,190 --> 00:32:57,280 if we gave our word, that's an oath. 770 00:32:57,323 --> 00:32:59,063 We weren't gonna let Kerry down because 771 00:32:59,107 --> 00:33:00,497 he was ashamed of it. 772 00:33:00,543 --> 00:33:04,423 In Kerry's mind, "I'm a fake." 773 00:33:04,460 --> 00:33:06,330 You know, the injury done on this leg... 774 00:33:06,375 --> 00:33:07,715 What about it, now? 775 00:33:07,768 --> 00:33:13,028 Before, it was, it was almost to the point where... 776 00:33:13,078 --> 00:33:15,038 I almost had to have my leg amputated. 777 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,820 Now my leg is back, it's coming on strong. 778 00:33:17,865 --> 00:33:20,085 Everyone was sworn to secrecy for over 779 00:33:20,128 --> 00:33:22,038 about a 5-year period there. 780 00:33:22,087 --> 00:33:23,567 He would do everything that a person 781 00:33:23,610 --> 00:33:25,790 with both limbs would do. 782 00:33:25,829 --> 00:33:28,309 I think that would 'a just been such a testimonial. 783 00:33:28,354 --> 00:33:29,964 And I was proud of Kerry. 784 00:33:30,008 --> 00:33:32,098 To do, to come back like that and, 785 00:33:32,140 --> 00:33:35,670 not only just compete, but to impress people. 786 00:33:35,709 --> 00:33:37,449 They could've presented it like that, 787 00:33:37,493 --> 00:33:39,633 and maybe he would've been a little bit more inspirational, 788 00:33:39,669 --> 00:33:41,019 maybe it'd have made him feel better. 789 00:33:41,062 --> 00:33:42,892 But instead, it was another thing he had to hide, 790 00:33:42,933 --> 00:33:44,633 and it was another thing that was probably 791 00:33:44,674 --> 00:33:46,294 weighing on him mentally. 792 00:33:46,328 --> 00:33:48,768 "Now I'll never be as good as I could be. 793 00:33:48,809 --> 00:33:51,809 I'll never make my dad proud," whatever the case may be. 794 00:33:51,855 --> 00:33:54,945 With his transition to wrestling's grandest stage, 795 00:33:54,989 --> 00:33:58,509 Kerry found himself a small fish in a big pond. 796 00:33:58,558 --> 00:33:59,988 But with a new identity, 797 00:34:00,038 --> 00:34:02,518 it was a chance to reboot his career. 798 00:34:02,562 --> 00:34:03,912 Vince brings in Kerry Von Erich, 799 00:34:03,954 --> 00:34:05,174 the modern-day warrior. 800 00:34:05,217 --> 00:34:07,047 You know, he's one of the biggest superstars 801 00:34:07,088 --> 00:34:09,048 of that period. I mean, it was like, 802 00:34:09,090 --> 00:34:11,790 he still had the physique, but introducing him 803 00:34:11,832 --> 00:34:13,962 at that stage of the game to a national audience, 804 00:34:14,008 --> 00:34:15,578 when he was physically limited... 805 00:34:15,618 --> 00:34:17,448 he just wasn't the same. 806 00:34:17,490 --> 00:34:19,670 And he quickly drops the Von Erich name, 807 00:34:19,709 --> 00:34:21,059 tells him you can't do the Claw. 808 00:34:21,102 --> 00:34:22,582 His name's the Texas Tornado, 809 00:34:22,625 --> 00:34:24,275 and they just call him the Texas Tornado. 810 00:34:24,323 --> 00:34:25,983 They didn't even call him Kerry Von Erich. 811 00:34:26,020 --> 00:34:28,680 All he had going for him is that he was Kerry Von Erich. 812 00:34:28,718 --> 00:34:32,768 The Texas Tornado! 813 00:34:32,809 --> 00:34:34,859 When he was there, things were going down, 814 00:34:34,898 --> 00:34:37,118 and it was not a secret things were going down. 815 00:34:37,162 --> 00:34:40,302 He had, you know, a series of drug-related issues. 816 00:34:40,339 --> 00:34:41,909 He was not happy at all. 817 00:34:41,949 --> 00:34:44,209 Kerry didn't handle the fame well. 818 00:34:44,256 --> 00:34:45,906 You've seen the, you know, he was always out 819 00:34:45,953 --> 00:34:47,693 with rock 'n' roll people and all. 820 00:34:47,737 --> 00:34:49,777 And I was more of a family man. 821 00:34:49,826 --> 00:34:52,386 It's probably what saved me. I know it saved me. 822 00:34:52,438 --> 00:34:55,788 Kerry was, was... doing drugs. 823 00:34:55,832 --> 00:34:56,882 You just knew it. 824 00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:58,230 Once he went through the accident, 825 00:34:58,270 --> 00:35:00,620 they immediately fill him up with all these drugs. 826 00:35:00,663 --> 00:35:02,233 They got the pain killers in ya, 827 00:35:02,274 --> 00:35:04,364 they got the pills they're giving him. 828 00:35:04,406 --> 00:35:07,976 That was not a good path for him. 829 00:35:08,018 --> 00:35:11,018 Because of the drugs, he was on probation at the time, 830 00:35:11,065 --> 00:35:12,715 and then he got arrested again. 831 00:35:12,762 --> 00:35:14,202 And... you know, 832 00:35:14,242 --> 00:35:15,812 he was afraid because of the probation violation 833 00:35:15,852 --> 00:35:17,252 that he was gonna go to jail this time. 834 00:35:17,289 --> 00:35:20,159 I remember he went to his wife and said, 835 00:35:20,205 --> 00:35:22,725 "I'll go to jail if you promise that when I come out of jail, 836 00:35:22,772 --> 00:35:25,952 you'll take me back," and she wouldn't promise him that. 837 00:35:25,993 --> 00:35:28,743 He talked about what Chris did in glowing terms. It's like, 838 00:35:28,778 --> 00:35:31,478 "Can you imagine the guts it took to do what Chris did?" 839 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,170 You know, it's like, that's pretty scary 840 00:35:33,218 --> 00:35:34,608 when you hear people saying that. 841 00:35:34,654 --> 00:35:36,744 He told me he was gonna kill himself. 842 00:35:36,786 --> 00:35:39,486 I said, "Kerry, you couldn't do that to me." 843 00:35:39,528 --> 00:35:41,178 He said, "Kev, well, what are we gonna do then?" 844 00:35:41,226 --> 00:35:42,486 I said, "We'll do something, 845 00:35:42,531 --> 00:35:45,101 but we sure as hell ain't gonna die." 846 00:35:45,143 --> 00:35:47,493 I said, "I'll tell ya what, Kerry, let's you and me, 847 00:35:47,536 --> 00:35:49,926 let's go to Alaska. Let's take our .44's 848 00:35:49,973 --> 00:35:52,023 and let's just get charged by a polar bear. 849 00:35:52,062 --> 00:35:53,592 We got 6 tries. 850 00:35:53,629 --> 00:35:55,759 I thought it'll be good for me to get alone with Kerry 851 00:35:55,805 --> 00:35:57,675 and there's no drug dealers up there, 852 00:35:57,720 --> 00:35:59,200 so it'll be great. 853 00:35:59,244 --> 00:36:02,034 I wish we'd 'a gone up there with our .44s. 854 00:36:02,072 --> 00:36:05,602 On the morning of February, the 17th, 1993, 855 00:36:05,641 --> 00:36:08,081 the same day Kerry was scheduled to be 856 00:36:08,122 --> 00:36:09,912 indicted on drug charges, 857 00:36:09,950 --> 00:36:14,080 he took a drive out to his father's ranch. 858 00:36:14,128 --> 00:36:16,608 Called dad and he said, "Can't talk. Busy." 859 00:36:16,652 --> 00:36:18,222 Well, he was pouring a driveway, 860 00:36:18,263 --> 00:36:20,353 and I was gonna tell him Kerry's in a bad way, 861 00:36:20,395 --> 00:36:22,615 he's headed out to your place and hold him for me 862 00:36:22,658 --> 00:36:26,008 'til I get there. I called, tried to call dad 863 00:36:26,053 --> 00:36:28,803 a couple times and could not get through. 864 00:36:28,838 --> 00:36:31,188 Fritz was continuing pouring concrete. 865 00:36:31,232 --> 00:36:35,452 Kerry came, walked up, gave him a big hug and said, 866 00:36:35,497 --> 00:36:39,627 "Dad, I love you. I really, really love you." 867 00:36:39,675 --> 00:36:42,935 Kerry got in the jeep and took off in the jeep. 868 00:36:42,983 --> 00:36:46,123 And so, Dad's sitting in the house wondering why 869 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,160 Kerry's been out in the field so long. 870 00:36:48,206 --> 00:36:51,116 He said he went and looked and his pistol was gone. 871 00:36:51,165 --> 00:36:53,945 The .44 he'd given dad for father's day. 872 00:36:53,994 --> 00:36:56,614 And, when he went down, there was a clear out area 873 00:36:56,649 --> 00:36:58,479 down there and he saw the jeep parked. 874 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,260 With one glove laying on the seat. 875 00:37:01,306 --> 00:37:02,656 So, he knew then what was happening, 876 00:37:02,698 --> 00:37:05,088 he had taken the glove. 877 00:37:05,135 --> 00:37:06,655 The shooting hand. 878 00:37:06,702 --> 00:37:09,182 Fritz said he walked back, there was a little row of trees. 879 00:37:09,227 --> 00:37:11,707 And there Kerry was. 880 00:37:11,751 --> 00:37:14,231 He had... 881 00:37:14,275 --> 00:37:15,275 He was dead. 882 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,840 Shot his self in the heart. 883 00:37:17,887 --> 00:37:19,717 Brothers begin to pile up, 884 00:37:19,759 --> 00:37:21,669 and he just couldn't take it anymore. 885 00:37:21,717 --> 00:37:23,717 Dad found him and he said he'd never seen such 886 00:37:23,763 --> 00:37:25,853 a peaceful look on Kerry's face. 887 00:37:25,895 --> 00:37:28,245 Must 'a hit him just right. 888 00:37:28,289 --> 00:37:30,339 Kevin said one thing one time, almost made me cry. 889 00:37:30,378 --> 00:37:33,428 He said, "I used to have 5 brothers, 890 00:37:33,468 --> 00:37:35,908 and now, I'm not even a brother." 891 00:37:35,949 --> 00:37:39,559 Over all of that, Fritz and Doris had split up. 892 00:37:39,605 --> 00:37:42,295 I thought my dad was taking it like a soldier, you know. 893 00:37:42,347 --> 00:37:44,307 My mom was really getting hit though, 894 00:37:44,349 --> 00:37:48,179 and she blamed him. It was bad. 895 00:37:49,745 --> 00:37:51,965 The last 10 years of his life was not a picture 896 00:37:52,008 --> 00:37:54,788 of what I would call health. He would have never thought 897 00:37:54,837 --> 00:37:57,357 that he would've outlived 5 of his 6 sons. 898 00:38:03,759 --> 00:38:05,589 Yeah, when he got older he had brain cancer. 899 00:38:05,631 --> 00:38:07,071 You know, he was not making sense, 900 00:38:07,110 --> 00:38:09,770 some of the things he said. He was questioning God. 901 00:38:09,809 --> 00:38:11,899 Well, he got that gun out and he pointed the gun at me, and 902 00:38:11,941 --> 00:38:14,811 he said, "You'd kill yourself too if you had the guts." 903 00:38:14,857 --> 00:38:19,377 I said, "Dad, it takes guts to live, not guts to die." 904 00:38:19,427 --> 00:38:20,857 And he pointed the gun at me, said, 905 00:38:20,907 --> 00:38:23,557 "You're afraid, aren't you?" And I said, "No, sir." 906 00:38:23,605 --> 00:38:25,605 You gotta remember, there's brain cancer involved and... 907 00:38:25,651 --> 00:38:27,911 and I didn't know if he was gonna shoot me or not. 908 00:38:27,957 --> 00:38:31,397 I said, "Dad, quit pointing the gun at me." 909 00:38:31,439 --> 00:38:33,489 I said, "Quit pointing the gun at me!" 910 00:38:33,528 --> 00:38:35,268 And then I jumped out the door 'cause I, 911 00:38:35,313 --> 00:38:37,533 I can see he's thinking. 912 00:38:37,576 --> 00:38:41,006 I'm not gonna let cancer decide if I live or die. 913 00:38:41,057 --> 00:38:43,057 You know what; I was glad he died. 914 00:38:43,103 --> 00:38:45,543 I wanted him to quit suffering. 915 00:38:45,584 --> 00:38:47,854 Yeah, I'd seen him suffer too much, 916 00:38:47,890 --> 00:38:49,410 what a good man he was. 917 00:38:49,457 --> 00:38:52,767 Well, he deserved better than that. 918 00:38:52,808 --> 00:38:54,508 What a good man. 919 00:38:55,811 --> 00:38:57,811 The immortal Fritz Von Erich! 920 00:39:02,731 --> 00:39:04,391 Not only have I lost a brother. 921 00:39:04,429 --> 00:39:06,519 I lost all of them. 922 00:39:06,561 --> 00:39:08,741 And, there is talk about there being 923 00:39:08,781 --> 00:39:11,041 a curse on the family, you know. 924 00:39:11,087 --> 00:39:13,347 It's so ridiculous, you know, a curse. 925 00:39:13,394 --> 00:39:15,094 What happened is just terrible, 926 00:39:15,135 --> 00:39:19,565 just a terrible thing. But no curse. 927 00:39:19,618 --> 00:39:21,398 So, what happened with you after this? 928 00:39:21,446 --> 00:39:22,526 I mean, obviously, you went through 929 00:39:22,577 --> 00:39:24,227 a really difficult period, yourself? 930 00:39:24,274 --> 00:39:28,104 I thought I was doing my best, and I was, but... 931 00:39:28,148 --> 00:39:30,108 I was mad and... 932 00:39:30,150 --> 00:39:32,980 And there was a time I thought that, 933 00:39:33,022 --> 00:39:34,502 that I wanted to die, you know, 934 00:39:34,546 --> 00:39:36,066 I wanted to be dead. 935 00:39:36,112 --> 00:39:37,772 And I knew I wasn't gonna kill myself, 936 00:39:37,810 --> 00:39:40,160 but I just wanted to fight anyway, 937 00:39:40,203 --> 00:39:42,473 and prison felt like the perfect thing for me. 938 00:39:42,510 --> 00:39:45,030 I was gonna steal a gun 'cause I knew 939 00:39:45,078 --> 00:39:46,468 how much people hate guns. 940 00:39:46,514 --> 00:39:48,824 If I stole one; that's prison. 941 00:39:48,864 --> 00:39:51,914 Lo and behold, I tried it in a Lubbock gun store 942 00:39:51,954 --> 00:39:55,784 with a bunch of good old Texas men in there. 943 00:39:55,828 --> 00:39:57,528 I went to steal that gun, and the old man that 944 00:39:57,569 --> 00:39:59,879 owned the store was looking right at me. 945 00:39:59,919 --> 00:40:01,089 I put it down my pants and 946 00:40:01,137 --> 00:40:04,137 I stiff-legged walked out of there. 947 00:40:04,184 --> 00:40:05,494 I stopped and looked at him like, 948 00:40:05,533 --> 00:40:07,193 "You got something to say?" 949 00:40:07,230 --> 00:40:09,450 That's when he just looked at me like an old man, 950 00:40:09,494 --> 00:40:11,104 didn't say anything for a long time, 951 00:40:11,147 --> 00:40:12,927 just looked at me. 952 00:40:12,975 --> 00:40:15,795 And I looked right into his eyes, 953 00:40:15,848 --> 00:40:19,198 and he said, "Love you, Kev." 954 00:40:19,242 --> 00:40:20,812 Oh, man. 955 00:40:20,853 --> 00:40:23,643 I said, "Thank you, Sir." 956 00:40:23,682 --> 00:40:27,432 And I went out to my car, and I just thought about 957 00:40:27,468 --> 00:40:30,078 the magnitude of what just happened. 958 00:40:30,123 --> 00:40:32,213 And I came back in that store, 959 00:40:32,255 --> 00:40:33,945 gave him his rifle and hugged him. 960 00:40:33,996 --> 00:40:36,346 I said, "I love you too, Sir." 961 00:40:36,390 --> 00:40:38,090 And all those other men were in there. 962 00:40:38,131 --> 00:40:40,571 Man, it was a great day for Texas. 963 00:40:40,612 --> 00:40:44,572 Great day for Von Erich. I needed that so bad. 964 00:40:44,616 --> 00:40:47,176 I wanted life to get as bad as it could be. 965 00:40:50,099 --> 00:40:52,009 Anyway, I'm so glad it's over. 966 00:40:52,058 --> 00:40:53,668 Saved me. 967 00:40:56,454 --> 00:40:57,934 Y'all want to see this tree I was telling you about? 968 00:40:57,977 --> 00:40:59,457 Yeah. 969 00:41:16,561 --> 00:41:19,431 This is my desk, my office. 970 00:41:19,477 --> 00:41:21,607 - That's your office? - Yeah. 971 00:41:21,653 --> 00:41:24,003 My lazy boy lounger here. 972 00:41:24,046 --> 00:41:27,526 How often are you here? Every day? 973 00:41:27,572 --> 00:41:30,142 Ah... Try to. 974 00:41:30,183 --> 00:41:32,713 Not as-- If I can, I get here every day. 975 00:41:32,751 --> 00:41:36,451 I try... I do try to do that. 976 00:41:36,494 --> 00:41:38,284 I wouldn't trade it for anything in the world. 977 00:41:38,321 --> 00:41:40,541 A peace I've never had before. 978 00:41:43,196 --> 00:41:47,846 The more alone you get, the more close you feel to... 979 00:41:47,896 --> 00:41:49,676 to God. It seems like to me. 980 00:41:49,724 --> 00:41:53,164 If I'm scuba diving at night on the bottom of the ocean, 981 00:41:53,206 --> 00:41:56,336 I love to turn my light off and just lay on the bottom. 982 00:41:56,383 --> 00:41:57,653 I feel like... 983 00:41:57,689 --> 00:41:59,389 you think you're far away, you know, 984 00:41:59,429 --> 00:42:00,779 you're never far. 985 00:42:00,822 --> 00:42:02,522 God is right with you, and I can feel it. 986 00:42:02,563 --> 00:42:05,003 And I just, I do love it. 987 00:42:08,003 --> 00:42:10,053 Hey, baby! Hey, you. 988 00:42:13,008 --> 00:42:14,618 Kevin's kids, I've met 'em all. 989 00:42:14,662 --> 00:42:17,402 And they have beautiful kids now. 990 00:42:17,447 --> 00:42:19,707 What I sought for all my life was to be peaceful, 991 00:42:19,754 --> 00:42:20,894 and here I am. 992 00:42:20,929 --> 00:42:22,409 And I thank you, Lord. 993 00:42:22,452 --> 00:42:25,592 I've never been so happy and peaceful. 994 00:42:25,630 --> 00:42:27,550 There's always kids playing here. 995 00:42:27,588 --> 00:42:32,108 It's highest and best use for the land, for sure. 996 00:42:32,158 --> 00:42:34,598 He's been through so much chaos and stuff, 997 00:42:34,639 --> 00:42:37,209 and so, for him to end up in this kind of just 998 00:42:37,250 --> 00:42:39,250 peaceful environment, you know, with, you know, 999 00:42:39,295 --> 00:42:42,385 the animals and everything, he's just like so at home 1000 00:42:42,429 --> 00:42:45,209 and just so, you know, he loves it. 1001 00:42:48,740 --> 00:42:51,090 I'm lucky the way that I found that the 1002 00:42:51,133 --> 00:42:54,623 only thing that lasts is family. 1003 00:42:54,659 --> 00:42:58,579 You see Ross and you see a little bit of Kerry. 1004 00:42:58,619 --> 00:43:02,489 And you see Marshall and you see the athleticism of Kevin, 1005 00:43:02,536 --> 00:43:05,276 and you see that big body of Dave. 1006 00:43:07,019 --> 00:43:09,369 And then in both of them, you see... 1007 00:43:09,412 --> 00:43:10,892 the Von Erich. 1008 00:43:10,936 --> 00:43:16,936 And so, hey, who knows. Maybe the story'll continue. 1009 00:43:16,985 --> 00:43:22,245 Kevin officially retired on July the 17th, 2017. 1010 00:43:22,295 --> 00:43:24,035 Wrestling his last match 1011 00:43:24,079 --> 00:43:26,429 alongside his two sons in Israel, 1012 00:43:26,473 --> 00:43:28,613 where the Von Erich family name 1013 00:43:28,649 --> 00:43:30,909 is celebrated to this day. 1014 00:43:32,827 --> 00:43:34,957 You know, I've seen huge crowds. 1015 00:43:35,003 --> 00:43:36,663 I've been the guest of honor. 1016 00:43:36,701 --> 00:43:38,621 I've been, you know, a celebrity. 1017 00:43:38,659 --> 00:43:41,309 I've been what everybody thinks they want. 1018 00:43:41,357 --> 00:43:43,097 I've had all that. 1019 00:43:43,142 --> 00:43:46,452 And it's not satisfying because that's all there is. 1020 00:43:46,493 --> 00:43:50,193 What is satisfying is dinner with the family, 1021 00:43:50,236 --> 00:43:51,926 children laughing. 1022 00:43:51,977 --> 00:43:54,847 Real joy, that's the truth.