1 00:00:59,351 --> 00:01:01,020 HUGH DOWNS: Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker 2 00:01:01,103 --> 00:01:04,106 were the most famous televangelist couple in America, 3 00:01:04,273 --> 00:01:06,192 and, by far, the most prosperous. 4 00:01:06,358 --> 00:01:08,611 AL DALE: Ken and Barbie of televangelism. 5 00:01:08,778 --> 00:01:10,196 And they seemed honest. 6 00:01:10,362 --> 00:01:12,990 REPORTER 1: They brought encouragement and hope to lots of people. 7 00:01:13,157 --> 00:01:14,158 GERALDO RIVERA: He's the president 8 00:01:14,241 --> 00:01:15,785 of a multi-million dollar religious organization 9 00:01:15,951 --> 00:01:17,578 called the Praise The Lord Club. 10 00:01:17,745 --> 00:01:19,872 REPORTER 2: PTL also operates Heritage Village 11 00:01:19,955 --> 00:01:21,540 in Fort Mill, South Carolina. 12 00:01:21,624 --> 00:01:22,833 REPORTER 3: ...Christian Disney World 13 00:01:22,958 --> 00:01:25,503 where PTL members can vacation with inspiration. 14 00:01:25,669 --> 00:01:27,296 They are among the best-known figures 15 00:01:27,379 --> 00:01:28,923 in the world of television evangelism. 16 00:01:29,089 --> 00:01:31,133 But tonight they are out of business. 17 00:01:31,217 --> 00:01:32,468 ...following the scandal that led 18 00:01:32,551 --> 00:01:34,303 to founder Jim Bakker's resignation last week. 19 00:01:34,470 --> 00:01:37,014 There's debate about how much the Bakker scandal will hurt 20 00:01:37,181 --> 00:01:39,350 all the television ministries and quiet concern... 21 00:01:39,517 --> 00:01:41,352 Modern warfare among the TV preachers. 22 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:43,521 In this electronic age, the stakes are high 23 00:01:43,604 --> 00:01:45,022 - with millions of followers... - ...and recriminations. 24 00:01:45,105 --> 00:01:46,106 And caught up in the fighting 25 00:01:46,190 --> 00:01:47,775 are their fellow evangelists Jimmy Swaggart, 26 00:01:47,942 --> 00:01:49,276 Oral Roberts, Jerry Falwell. 27 00:01:49,443 --> 00:01:50,778 Now, about what some people around here 28 00:01:50,861 --> 00:01:52,112 are calling "pearly-gate." 29 00:01:52,279 --> 00:01:54,949 Pearly-gate is the story of Jim and Tammy Bakker. 30 00:01:55,115 --> 00:01:56,867 It's remarkably like Watergate, 31 00:01:56,951 --> 00:02:00,246 which tainted the name "politician," 32 00:02:00,412 --> 00:02:05,501 and such an episode is bound to taint the name "preacher." 33 00:02:05,584 --> 00:02:07,711 REPORTER 4: The Bakkers couldn't even get out of their car. 34 00:02:07,795 --> 00:02:09,171 There were so many people waiting to see them 35 00:02:09,255 --> 00:02:10,256 after three months of seclusion. 36 00:02:10,339 --> 00:02:11,632 REPORTER 5: ...busloads of tourists, 37 00:02:11,715 --> 00:02:13,968 hoping to get a glimpse of the elusive evangelists, 38 00:02:14,134 --> 00:02:16,637 but they had no better luck than the waiting newspeople. 39 00:02:20,975 --> 00:02:23,936 WOMAN: Okay, I'm gonna start by taking some of this off. 40 00:02:24,103 --> 00:02:25,312 TAMMY: Okay. 41 00:02:25,479 --> 00:02:27,147 WOMAN: Gonna take your foundation off. 42 00:02:27,231 --> 00:02:28,232 TAMMY: M'kay. 43 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,401 WOMAN: And then we'll start fresh. 44 00:02:31,235 --> 00:02:32,695 Can you take your lips off? 45 00:02:39,535 --> 00:02:41,120 - Okay. - Do you want a little remover? 46 00:02:41,287 --> 00:02:44,290 Oh, no. That's it. 47 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:46,917 That'll be all. They're permanently lined. 48 00:02:47,084 --> 00:02:48,335 WOMAN: Oh. 49 00:02:48,502 --> 00:02:50,045 And my eyes are permanently lined 50 00:02:50,129 --> 00:02:51,797 and my eyebrows are permanently on, 51 00:02:51,964 --> 00:02:54,675 so there's not a whole lot you can do. 52 00:02:54,758 --> 00:02:56,010 WOMAN: My goodness, 53 00:02:56,093 --> 00:02:57,553 - I... I didn't know. - Mm. 54 00:02:58,178 --> 00:02:59,972 Have you never done pictures without those eyelashes? 55 00:03:00,139 --> 00:03:01,223 Nope, and I never will 56 00:03:01,390 --> 00:03:02,766 because that's my trademark. 57 00:03:02,933 --> 00:03:06,270 And, you know, if I take that away, then it's not me, 58 00:03:06,478 --> 00:03:08,272 and no one's gonna wanna look at me without my trademark. 59 00:03:08,439 --> 00:03:09,648 So, I hold onto that. 60 00:03:09,815 --> 00:03:11,275 Even if we softened 'em up and kept... 61 00:03:11,442 --> 00:03:14,111 No. No, you can do anything you want, 62 00:03:14,278 --> 00:03:16,906 but my eyelashes stay right where they are. 63 00:03:17,072 --> 00:03:18,657 WOMAN: That's really you. 64 00:03:18,741 --> 00:03:19,742 TAMMY: Mm. 65 00:03:20,117 --> 00:03:22,620 Oh, yeah, this is who I am. 66 00:03:38,677 --> 00:03:41,722 PREACHER: I didn't know what the words "glory" or "hallelujah" be 67 00:03:41,889 --> 00:03:43,682 because the devil is all around us! 68 00:03:43,766 --> 00:03:44,934 -Oh, yes, he is! 69 00:03:45,017 --> 00:03:47,519 And it's up to you to resist his temptations. Hallelujah! 70 00:03:48,729 --> 00:03:50,356 If you're not saved by Jesus, 71 00:03:50,439 --> 00:03:52,524 you open yourself up to demons 72 00:03:52,691 --> 00:03:55,736 and the devil will make a home in you! 73 00:03:56,195 --> 00:03:57,196 WOMAN: Glory to God! 74 00:03:57,279 --> 00:03:58,781 When God spoke peace to my heart, 75 00:03:58,948 --> 00:04:01,450 I didn't know how to say glory or hallelujah, 76 00:04:01,617 --> 00:04:03,202 but I got saved! 77 00:04:03,369 --> 00:04:04,954 I leapt upon that altar. 78 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,081 Jesus told me He loved me, 79 00:04:07,247 --> 00:04:09,792 and He will love you. 80 00:04:11,001 --> 00:04:13,837 He speaks through her. Say, "Hallelujah!" 81 00:04:14,004 --> 00:04:15,589 CONGREGATION: Hallelujah! 82 00:04:15,756 --> 00:04:18,509 PREACHER: She is with the Holy Spirit right now! 83 00:04:18,676 --> 00:04:20,594 Feel the spirit! Say, "Glory." 84 00:04:21,220 --> 00:04:22,388 "Glory to God." 85 00:04:22,554 --> 00:04:23,722 CONGREGATION: Glory to God! 86 00:04:23,889 --> 00:04:26,475 PREACHER: You too, sister! Feel the spirit. 87 00:04:26,642 --> 00:04:28,352 Raise your hands up, folks. 88 00:04:30,479 --> 00:04:31,939 LITTLE TAMMY: I was here. 89 00:04:32,106 --> 00:04:33,232 Here the whole time. 90 00:04:33,732 --> 00:04:35,901 Little girls go to Hell for lying. 91 00:04:36,276 --> 00:04:37,820 Honest and true. 92 00:04:37,987 --> 00:04:39,446 I wanna be saved. 93 00:04:40,948 --> 00:04:42,282 If you let me come in with you, 94 00:04:42,366 --> 00:04:44,410 God'd love me like He's supposed to. 95 00:04:44,576 --> 00:04:46,328 There's reasons you can't be seen in church, Tam. 96 00:04:46,495 --> 00:04:47,830 Grown-up reasons. 97 00:04:48,414 --> 00:04:50,499 Is it because everyone thinks you're a harlot? 98 00:04:52,459 --> 00:04:53,460 And I come from a time 99 00:04:53,544 --> 00:04:55,170 before Fred made you respectable and stuff. 100 00:04:57,339 --> 00:04:58,924 Only reason they let me back 101 00:04:59,008 --> 00:05:01,135 is 'cause nobody but me can play the piano. 102 00:05:01,343 --> 00:05:03,804 But you remind them I was divorced. 103 00:05:04,054 --> 00:05:06,056 They see you, 104 00:05:06,223 --> 00:05:07,933 all of us is going to be banished. 105 00:05:09,351 --> 00:05:11,270 The souls of all your brothers and sisters 106 00:05:11,437 --> 00:05:13,897 burning in Hell because you don't listen 107 00:05:13,981 --> 00:05:15,941 and you can't sit still. 108 00:05:22,698 --> 00:05:24,241 Stop performing. 109 00:05:28,245 --> 00:05:30,247 You're going to Hell, Tammy. 110 00:05:30,414 --> 00:05:33,667 You don't belong here. You don't belong anywhere. 111 00:05:33,834 --> 00:05:35,294 You're ugly. 112 00:05:35,461 --> 00:05:37,296 You've got a demon inside you. 113 00:05:38,464 --> 00:05:40,466 But I don't wanna go to Hell. 114 00:05:41,508 --> 00:05:42,968 If they loved you, 115 00:05:43,052 --> 00:05:44,720 they wouldn't leave you here. 116 00:05:45,721 --> 00:05:46,847 They love me. 117 00:05:47,014 --> 00:05:49,224 They love you not. 118 00:05:52,603 --> 00:05:55,355 Jesus, come into my heart 119 00:05:55,439 --> 00:05:57,316 and forgive me my sins. 120 00:05:58,317 --> 00:06:01,445 I don't know what this is everybody's getting, 121 00:06:01,612 --> 00:06:02,780 but if it's real, 122 00:06:03,405 --> 00:06:06,909 then, please, Jesus, give that to me. 123 00:06:09,286 --> 00:06:10,704 -PREACHER: Amen! 124 00:06:11,288 --> 00:06:13,957 Be strong in the Lord and His mighty power. 125 00:06:14,124 --> 00:06:15,459 Put on the armor of God 126 00:06:15,626 --> 00:06:16,752 so that you can take your stand 127 00:06:16,835 --> 00:06:18,545 against the devil's schemes. 128 00:06:18,712 --> 00:06:21,507 For our struggle isn't against flesh and blood, 129 00:06:21,673 --> 00:06:24,593 but against the powers of this dark world! 130 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:26,470 Casting down imaginations 131 00:06:26,637 --> 00:06:30,140 on every high thing that exalts itself. 132 00:06:30,307 --> 00:06:32,101 - Do you feel love? - CONGREGATION: Yes. 133 00:06:32,309 --> 00:06:34,228 PREACHER: You feel it, sister! I know you feel it! 134 00:06:35,354 --> 00:06:36,939 You too, brother? 135 00:06:37,231 --> 00:06:38,649 If you feel the love, 136 00:06:38,732 --> 00:06:40,400 - say, "Hallelujah!" - CONGREGATION: Hallelujah! 137 00:06:40,484 --> 00:06:42,861 PREACHER: Say, "Glory to God!" CONGREGATION: Glory to God! 138 00:06:43,237 --> 00:06:44,404 PREACHER: Accept the blood! 139 00:06:44,613 --> 00:06:46,156 Feel love forever! 140 00:06:46,323 --> 00:06:47,407 CONGREGATION: Hallelujah! 141 00:06:47,491 --> 00:06:48,951 WOMAN: Praise the Lord! 142 00:06:49,535 --> 00:06:51,161 Are you ready to accept the love? 143 00:06:51,745 --> 00:06:52,871 Yes. 144 00:07:07,761 --> 00:07:08,929 Tammy Faye! 145 00:07:11,181 --> 00:07:14,351 I'm so sorry. I'm so, so sorry. 146 00:07:16,103 --> 00:07:17,855 No, Tammy! 147 00:07:18,230 --> 00:07:20,190 Tammy, get up. 148 00:07:20,732 --> 00:07:21,942 He is with us! 149 00:07:22,734 --> 00:07:24,611 She's peeing herself! Praise God! 150 00:07:25,154 --> 00:07:26,155 Yes! 151 00:07:26,613 --> 00:07:28,448 - Tammy, I said get up. - WOMAN: Shush now. 152 00:07:28,824 --> 00:07:31,702 This baby is a miracle. Don't you take her from us. 153 00:07:37,541 --> 00:07:38,834 MAN: Mr. Bakker? 154 00:07:39,376 --> 00:07:40,460 JIM: Yes, sir? 155 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:43,922 Thank you. 156 00:07:51,471 --> 00:07:53,807 Um, sorry. 157 00:07:56,226 --> 00:07:57,519 I would like to start with a verse. 158 00:07:58,145 --> 00:08:03,525 "Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper" 159 00:08:03,692 --> 00:08:07,613 "and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth." 160 00:08:07,779 --> 00:08:09,281 That is John 3, verse 2, 161 00:08:09,364 --> 00:08:12,034 and it's written right here in the good book. 162 00:08:12,201 --> 00:08:14,244 He gave me this verse last night. 163 00:08:14,411 --> 00:08:17,247 God, He came right down and He whispered it in my ear. 164 00:08:17,414 --> 00:08:18,999 He said, "Jim Bakker", 165 00:08:19,166 --> 00:08:22,502 "I intend for you to thrive, 166 00:08:22,669 --> 00:08:25,088 "to live, and to love" 167 00:08:25,255 --> 00:08:27,090 "in this life." 168 00:08:27,257 --> 00:08:28,258 He said it to me. 169 00:08:28,425 --> 00:08:29,885 But us Christians, 170 00:08:30,761 --> 00:08:33,430 we've been taught that we're supposed to 171 00:08:33,889 --> 00:08:36,391 expect failure. 172 00:08:37,976 --> 00:08:39,353 -When Jesus calls you home, 173 00:08:39,436 --> 00:08:40,938 you think you're going to get a bonus 174 00:08:41,021 --> 00:08:43,106 if you make yourself miserable? 175 00:08:44,274 --> 00:08:46,318 You think if you deny yourself indoor plumbing, 176 00:08:46,485 --> 00:08:47,903 or if you don't have shoes 177 00:08:47,986 --> 00:08:49,863 - on your feet... - 178 00:08:51,031 --> 00:08:52,491 I'm... I'm sorry. 179 00:08:55,744 --> 00:08:56,745 Go ahead. 180 00:08:59,790 --> 00:09:01,333 You know, Heaven, 181 00:09:01,416 --> 00:09:03,335 Heaven is heaven, that is for sure. 182 00:09:03,502 --> 00:09:06,004 But God's hope for us 183 00:09:06,171 --> 00:09:09,967 is that we live and we thrive and we love here 184 00:09:10,133 --> 00:09:11,260 in the promised land. 185 00:09:11,426 --> 00:09:12,844 Here and now. 186 00:09:13,011 --> 00:09:16,890 Here and now, and in this very, very moment. 187 00:09:16,974 --> 00:09:18,225 Hallelujah! 188 00:09:18,308 --> 00:09:20,769 God does not want us to be poor! 189 00:09:20,978 --> 00:09:22,104 Oh, no! 190 00:09:22,813 --> 00:09:26,066 He will gift the faithful with eternal life, 191 00:09:26,233 --> 00:09:29,236 eternal love, and eternal wealth! 192 00:09:29,403 --> 00:09:33,073 Hallelujah! Praise God! Praise Him! 193 00:09:36,034 --> 00:09:37,369 Be right to remember, 194 00:09:37,452 --> 00:09:39,913 "Blessed be the poor," Mr. Bakker. 195 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,207 Doesn't sound very blessed to me. 196 00:09:45,669 --> 00:09:49,339 You two are here to learn the ways of the Lord through scripture, yeah? 197 00:09:49,423 --> 00:09:50,424 Yes, sir. 198 00:09:50,507 --> 00:09:51,508 And to spread the word of God. 199 00:09:51,591 --> 00:09:52,592 Oh, yeah. You know, 200 00:09:52,676 --> 00:09:54,845 I'm gonna sing the word in every tent, in every church. 201 00:09:55,012 --> 00:09:57,848 You know, God told me that that's what He wants for me. 202 00:09:59,766 --> 00:10:01,560 With makeup on your face? 203 00:10:02,811 --> 00:10:04,813 Ahem. Jezebel. - 204 00:10:10,277 --> 00:10:12,029 "I do my best to maintain always 205 00:10:12,112 --> 00:10:13,155 "a blameless conscience," 206 00:10:13,238 --> 00:10:15,490 "both before God and before men." 207 00:10:17,534 --> 00:10:19,661 "A man who keeps company with harlots" 208 00:10:20,912 --> 00:10:22,289 "wastes his wealth." 209 00:10:22,456 --> 00:10:24,750 Proverbs 29:3. 210 00:10:24,916 --> 00:10:28,587 "Your stature is like that of a palm and your breasts 211 00:10:29,212 --> 00:10:30,547 "like clusters of fruit." 212 00:10:30,630 --> 00:10:32,674 "I will take hold of the palm tree." 213 00:10:32,841 --> 00:10:36,303 "And I will take hold of the fruit." 214 00:10:37,512 --> 00:10:39,014 That's the Song of Solomon. 215 00:10:39,181 --> 00:10:41,224 7:7. 216 00:10:45,020 --> 00:10:47,814 JIM: I'm sorry I couldn't drive you some place nice. 217 00:10:48,190 --> 00:10:50,650 Oh, this is some place nice, Jim. 218 00:10:51,693 --> 00:10:53,362 Tell me something. Tell me a secret. 219 00:10:53,528 --> 00:10:55,072 Something that no one else knows about. 220 00:10:55,238 --> 00:10:56,239 Oh, I have no secrets. 221 00:10:56,323 --> 00:10:57,532 I'll tell you anything you wanna know. 222 00:10:57,699 --> 00:10:58,867 We'll start with everything. 223 00:11:00,827 --> 00:11:02,412 - Okay. - 224 00:11:02,579 --> 00:11:03,789 I'm the oldest of eight children 225 00:11:03,872 --> 00:11:05,624 and I'm a very practical person. 226 00:11:05,791 --> 00:11:07,250 And what you see is all there is of me. 227 00:11:07,417 --> 00:11:08,960 You know, I don't pretend to be something I'm not 228 00:11:09,127 --> 00:11:10,670 because what you see is all you get. 229 00:11:10,837 --> 00:11:12,255 And I love people. 230 00:11:12,631 --> 00:11:15,759 I have a genuine, genuine love for people. 231 00:11:16,009 --> 00:11:18,178 And I hurt when people hurt, 232 00:11:18,345 --> 00:11:20,555 and probably a little more dramatic than people would like me to be. 233 00:11:20,639 --> 00:11:23,475 But I enjoy that. That's just who I am. 234 00:11:24,643 --> 00:11:27,104 I've never met anyone quite like you, Tammy Faye. 235 00:11:29,940 --> 00:11:31,108 Okay. 236 00:11:31,274 --> 00:11:34,569 So, um, do you have any secrets, Jim? 237 00:11:35,529 --> 00:11:38,198 Well, one or two. 238 00:11:39,074 --> 00:11:40,826 Well, tell me. 239 00:11:40,992 --> 00:11:45,122 Well, before God found me, I wanted to be a radio deejay. 240 00:11:46,665 --> 00:11:47,833 - No. - Yes. 241 00:11:48,708 --> 00:11:52,087 I used to love to make people dance. 242 00:11:52,254 --> 00:11:53,422 Have fun. 243 00:11:54,172 --> 00:11:56,299 - Little Richard. - 244 00:11:56,466 --> 00:11:58,009 And Buddy Holly and... 245 00:11:58,677 --> 00:12:00,137 Oh, and Fats Domino. 246 00:12:02,180 --> 00:12:04,099 What happened? Why didn't you do it, Jim? 247 00:12:04,182 --> 00:12:05,225 Ah. 248 00:12:06,017 --> 00:12:07,644 Never mind that. 249 00:12:07,811 --> 00:12:08,812 Tell me. 250 00:12:10,063 --> 00:12:12,107 Um, I don't think... 251 00:12:14,693 --> 00:12:17,446 Well, all right. I'll tell you, Tammy. Um... 252 00:12:18,029 --> 00:12:20,073 Two years ago, I was on a date 253 00:12:20,157 --> 00:12:21,533 with my girlfriend, Sandy, and... 254 00:12:21,616 --> 00:12:22,784 Mm. - Oh, no, 255 00:12:22,868 --> 00:12:24,327 with my girlfriend at the time. 256 00:12:24,744 --> 00:12:26,204 - Mm. - But, anyhoo, 257 00:12:26,288 --> 00:12:27,664 I borrowed my daddy's car to take her out, 258 00:12:27,747 --> 00:12:31,251 and there was all this snow on the ground 259 00:12:31,877 --> 00:12:36,298 and Fats was singing Blueberry Hill 260 00:12:36,465 --> 00:12:37,757 so loud 261 00:12:39,426 --> 00:12:41,219 and I... I was having these urges 262 00:12:41,303 --> 00:12:43,472 that only the devil would approve of 263 00:12:43,638 --> 00:12:46,349 and I lost control of the car. 264 00:12:49,728 --> 00:12:51,813 And I ran over a little boy, 265 00:12:52,397 --> 00:12:53,899 - little Jimmy Summerfield. - 266 00:12:54,983 --> 00:12:57,068 I ruptured Jimmy Summerfield's lung 267 00:12:57,152 --> 00:12:59,529 with my daddy's tire. 268 00:12:59,696 --> 00:13:00,906 I didn't sleep all night. 269 00:13:01,072 --> 00:13:03,742 I was just up worried sick about that boy dying. 270 00:13:03,825 --> 00:13:04,826 So, I... 271 00:13:05,452 --> 00:13:07,078 I made a bargain with God. 272 00:13:07,412 --> 00:13:08,872 I said to Him, 273 00:13:09,039 --> 00:13:11,208 "I will forsake my dream of being a deejay. 274 00:13:11,374 --> 00:13:15,962 "I will stop peddling in rock and roll 275 00:13:16,129 --> 00:13:20,342 "and I'll dedicate my life to Him and Him alone. 276 00:13:20,509 --> 00:13:23,261 "If He sees fit to save that boy's life," 277 00:13:23,428 --> 00:13:26,848 "He will win two souls right then and there." 278 00:13:28,892 --> 00:13:30,727 And what happened to Jimmy Summerfield? 279 00:13:31,728 --> 00:13:32,812 He lived. 280 00:13:32,896 --> 00:13:34,189 - Oh. - Yes. 281 00:13:34,356 --> 00:13:36,316 - Praise be to God. - Yes, praise Him. 282 00:13:39,110 --> 00:13:40,278 So... 283 00:13:42,113 --> 00:13:43,740 You still like me? 284 00:13:44,199 --> 00:13:46,785 Oh, sure, I do, Jim. 285 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:50,413 Oh, even more now that you were honest with me. 286 00:13:52,749 --> 00:13:54,000 I'll tell ya, I do miss dancing. 287 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,923 I found my thrill 288 00:14:01,466 --> 00:14:05,095 On Blueberry Hill 289 00:14:06,263 --> 00:14:09,391 I found my thrill 290 00:14:11,059 --> 00:14:14,062 When I found you 291 00:14:14,229 --> 00:14:15,480 You're so loud. 292 00:14:16,231 --> 00:14:17,357 Dance with me, Jim. 293 00:14:18,066 --> 00:14:19,276 Here? No, I can't. 294 00:14:19,442 --> 00:14:21,778 In front of all these people? Like, no... 295 00:14:21,945 --> 00:14:23,071 Please? 296 00:14:26,825 --> 00:14:30,328 The moon stood still 297 00:14:30,495 --> 00:14:34,249 On Blueberry Hill 298 00:14:34,499 --> 00:14:38,253 -And lingered until - 299 00:14:39,212 --> 00:14:42,924 My dreams came true 300 00:14:51,349 --> 00:14:53,018 Oh, we can't. 301 00:14:53,226 --> 00:14:54,436 I know. 302 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:01,985 - We can't. - I know. 303 00:15:05,822 --> 00:15:09,117 Oh. Oh, we can't. 304 00:15:11,161 --> 00:15:12,162 I know. 305 00:15:16,458 --> 00:15:17,500 Yeah! 306 00:15:19,544 --> 00:15:20,754 What'd you do? 307 00:15:21,046 --> 00:15:23,506 Hello, Mother. This is Jim Bakker... 308 00:15:27,677 --> 00:15:32,098 ...Oh, it's such a blessing to finally meet you. 309 00:15:39,314 --> 00:15:40,315 TAMMY: No. 310 00:15:40,482 --> 00:15:41,858 No, Mother, we can't go back to school. 311 00:15:42,025 --> 00:15:44,319 They have a rule against students marrying one another. 312 00:15:44,486 --> 00:15:46,196 Did you know they had that rule when you did this? 313 00:15:46,363 --> 00:15:49,282 If I know the two of you, you're just gonna love Jim. 314 00:15:49,449 --> 00:15:50,617 Oh, he's so motivated. 315 00:15:50,784 --> 00:15:52,410 He has so many big ideas. 316 00:15:52,577 --> 00:15:53,995 Did you know? 317 00:16:05,215 --> 00:16:08,385 Well, you can educate yourself right out of a relationship with God. 318 00:16:08,551 --> 00:16:10,011 He has a plan for us. 319 00:16:10,470 --> 00:16:13,014 - God or that Jim boy? - God. 320 00:16:13,848 --> 00:16:15,475 What'd He tell ya to do this time? 321 00:16:15,642 --> 00:16:19,270 Come spring, me and Jim are going to be traveling preachers, 322 00:16:19,437 --> 00:16:20,897 bringing God's love to all people. 323 00:16:21,064 --> 00:16:23,858 Anyone who's hurting or they feel like they've been left out. 324 00:16:24,025 --> 00:16:25,777 Jim will preach and I'll sing. 325 00:16:25,944 --> 00:16:28,530 And we'll be like Oral Roberts and his wife. 326 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:31,282 Oral Roberts went to college. 327 00:16:31,574 --> 00:16:34,452 -He has one named for him. 328 00:16:34,619 --> 00:16:36,538 God said that we're supposed to have a good life. 329 00:16:36,705 --> 00:16:38,998 That way, we can help bring his love to all people. 330 00:16:39,165 --> 00:16:41,751 There's a limit to God's love, Tammy Faye. 331 00:16:42,752 --> 00:16:43,753 TAMMY AND JIM: No. 332 00:16:44,045 --> 00:16:48,091 No, there's no limit to God's love, Mrs. Grover, 333 00:16:48,299 --> 00:16:50,802 and there's no limit to Tammy Faye and I either. 334 00:16:51,428 --> 00:16:52,887 We're soldiers in Christ. 335 00:16:53,054 --> 00:16:55,724 We've been called to serve in a very real way. 336 00:16:55,890 --> 00:16:57,809 God smiles on a husband and wife. 337 00:16:57,976 --> 00:17:00,311 "As a young man marries a young woman, 338 00:17:00,478 --> 00:17:02,897 "so will your Builder marry you; 339 00:17:03,064 --> 00:17:06,651 "as a bridegroom rejoices in his bride," 340 00:17:06,818 --> 00:17:09,738 "so will your God rejoice in you." 341 00:17:09,904 --> 00:17:11,614 Isaiah 62:5. 342 00:17:14,576 --> 00:17:16,286 JIM: It's something we do. 343 00:17:28,715 --> 00:17:31,384 Fred said that we could stay until the weather changes. 344 00:17:33,011 --> 00:17:34,262 Got some bubbles at the swap meet. 345 00:17:39,309 --> 00:17:41,186 I'm sorry, Tam. 346 00:17:43,021 --> 00:17:45,064 I feel like I'm letting you down. 347 00:17:46,232 --> 00:17:48,777 She doesn't like me. 348 00:17:49,110 --> 00:17:51,696 - No, Jim. - No, she doesn't. 349 00:17:52,864 --> 00:17:55,033 Of course she likes you. 350 00:17:58,369 --> 00:17:59,496 TAMMY: Oh. 351 00:18:04,167 --> 00:18:07,629 It makes Tammy sad to see you so sad. 352 00:18:09,172 --> 00:18:10,548 How's there supposed to be bubbles 353 00:18:10,632 --> 00:18:13,092 if there isn't enough water to work up the bubbles? 354 00:18:13,259 --> 00:18:15,970 Oh, I can work up the bubbles, Jim. 355 00:18:16,304 --> 00:18:19,432 All I gotta do is dunk my hand. 356 00:18:21,643 --> 00:18:24,145 And I swirl... 357 00:18:29,526 --> 00:18:31,486 - And swirl. - 358 00:18:32,654 --> 00:18:34,656 - 359 00:18:37,325 --> 00:18:38,701 -Am I doing that all right? 360 00:18:38,868 --> 00:18:40,370 Uh-huh. 361 00:18:53,174 --> 00:18:55,593 Well, hello there, Tammy Faye. 362 00:18:57,303 --> 00:18:58,888 Hello, Mommy. 363 00:18:59,055 --> 00:19:00,890 What are you doing with those things? 364 00:19:01,057 --> 00:19:03,059 Well, we're gonna use these puppets as part of our sermon 365 00:19:03,226 --> 00:19:04,894 and show the kids how wonderful God is. 366 00:19:05,061 --> 00:19:06,563 And if we can get enough children to come, 367 00:19:06,729 --> 00:19:08,064 they'll bring their mothers and their fathers. 368 00:19:08,147 --> 00:19:10,275 And before you know it, we'll have our own church. 369 00:19:14,904 --> 00:19:17,740 Have you counted your blessings today, Tammy Faye? 370 00:19:17,907 --> 00:19:19,826 No, not yet, Susie. 371 00:19:20,159 --> 00:19:23,204 Time to count your blessings, for they are plentiful. 372 00:19:23,788 --> 00:19:27,166 Okay, well, thank you for my husband. 373 00:19:27,333 --> 00:19:30,753 Oh, you're so welcome, Tammy. 374 00:19:31,504 --> 00:19:35,008 And thank you for Mother's understanding, even if she doesn't understand. 375 00:19:35,675 --> 00:19:38,136 You're welcome. 376 00:19:39,929 --> 00:19:42,348 And thank you, God, for love. 377 00:19:59,616 --> 00:20:00,617 Hmm. 378 00:20:00,700 --> 00:20:02,660 - 379 00:20:03,036 --> 00:20:05,455 - 380 00:20:07,248 --> 00:20:10,209 Jim! Whose car is this? 381 00:20:11,669 --> 00:20:12,962 No. 382 00:20:13,296 --> 00:20:16,174 -Get in. Get in. Come on. 383 00:20:16,341 --> 00:20:17,425 TAMMY: Okay. 384 00:20:18,343 --> 00:20:20,345 Roll that window up. I got the heat on. 385 00:20:21,554 --> 00:20:22,972 This fine vehicle 386 00:20:23,056 --> 00:20:25,892 with the leather interior and the chrome on the wheels 387 00:20:26,059 --> 00:20:29,771 is a gift from God for us to do His work. 388 00:20:33,024 --> 00:20:35,526 But how can we afford it, Jim Bakker? 389 00:20:36,861 --> 00:20:38,488 Who is this? 390 00:20:38,655 --> 00:20:40,031 I'm Susie Moppet. 391 00:20:40,198 --> 00:20:43,493 Aren't you cute? Well, do you know about God, Susie? 392 00:20:43,701 --> 00:20:44,702 Oh, I do. 393 00:20:44,786 --> 00:20:48,081 Well, God has cancelled the claim of poverty 394 00:20:48,164 --> 00:20:49,832 and deprivation in our lives 395 00:20:49,999 --> 00:20:52,669 and He has placed all the powers of heaven 396 00:20:52,835 --> 00:20:55,088 and the First Bank of International Falls, 397 00:20:55,171 --> 00:20:57,548 Minnesota, at our disposal. 398 00:21:03,638 --> 00:21:06,933 Oh, this is the nicest car I've ever seen, Jim. 399 00:21:07,141 --> 00:21:10,103 "Everything works for good for them that love God." 400 00:21:10,186 --> 00:21:11,729 Everything. 401 00:21:12,230 --> 00:21:15,149 But you have to have faith in Him 402 00:21:15,316 --> 00:21:18,236 and in me and in us, 'cause if you don't, 403 00:21:18,403 --> 00:21:20,029 I don't know what I'm doing here. 404 00:21:20,196 --> 00:21:22,198 - Oh, I do, Jim. - You do? 405 00:21:24,367 --> 00:21:25,660 Does she, Susie? 406 00:21:26,869 --> 00:21:28,371 Oh, she do, Jim! 407 00:21:28,538 --> 00:21:31,207 - She really, really do! - 408 00:21:41,259 --> 00:21:43,011 JIM: You sure... 409 00:21:43,177 --> 00:21:45,763 It's all right here. In Psalm 37:4. 410 00:21:45,847 --> 00:21:47,890 "Take delight in the Lord" 411 00:21:48,057 --> 00:21:51,978 "and He will give you your heart's desires." 412 00:21:52,145 --> 00:21:55,648 God starts turning those wheels in your life! 413 00:21:55,815 --> 00:21:56,983 SUSIE: You better believe it! 414 00:21:57,150 --> 00:21:59,652 - JIM: Oh, now who is this? - Oh, I'm Susie Moppet. 415 00:21:59,861 --> 00:22:01,362 Well, hello there, Susie Moppet. 416 00:22:01,529 --> 00:22:02,947 SUSIE: Hi! Nice to meet you! 417 00:22:04,490 --> 00:22:06,743 - She jumped up. - 418 00:22:07,744 --> 00:22:09,537 Yes, Jesus loves me 419 00:22:09,704 --> 00:22:11,289 Yes, Jesus loves me 420 00:22:11,456 --> 00:22:12,915 Yes, Jesus loves me 421 00:22:13,082 --> 00:22:16,794 BOTH: The Bible tells me so 422 00:22:16,961 --> 00:22:19,297 Hitch up your wagon to God. 423 00:22:19,505 --> 00:22:21,257 He's greater than any problem. 424 00:22:21,424 --> 00:22:22,759 Us Christians, we're just stuck in the mud 425 00:22:22,925 --> 00:22:24,761 like that old game. Remember that old kids' game? 426 00:22:24,927 --> 00:22:27,096 God wants us just to run free. 427 00:22:31,476 --> 00:22:33,352 Well, this is a fun song, boys and girls. 428 00:22:33,519 --> 00:22:34,687 So, hit it, Allie. 429 00:22:35,146 --> 00:22:36,314 Jesus loves me 430 00:22:36,397 --> 00:22:39,108 This I know For the Bible tells me so 431 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,360 Yes, Jesus loves me 432 00:22:41,527 --> 00:22:44,030 -ALLIE: The Bible tells me so - 433 00:22:47,283 --> 00:22:49,118 ANNOUNCER: You're watching Pat Robertson 434 00:22:49,202 --> 00:22:50,828 on the Christian Broadcasting Network. 435 00:22:50,995 --> 00:22:51,996 JIM: Come on. 436 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,165 Season all your grain offerings... 437 00:22:54,332 --> 00:22:55,750 Oh, come on! 438 00:22:55,833 --> 00:22:58,044 - Okay, okay, okay. - ...with salt. 439 00:22:58,211 --> 00:23:01,172 Do not leave the salt of the covenant of your God 440 00:23:01,255 --> 00:23:03,132 out of your grain offerings. 441 00:23:03,216 --> 00:23:04,509 Add salt 442 00:23:05,218 --> 00:23:06,469 to all your offerings. 443 00:23:06,552 --> 00:23:09,972 You know, he's not terribly dynamic for a charismatic. 444 00:23:10,139 --> 00:23:11,641 JIM: I know, but people just eat him up. 445 00:23:11,849 --> 00:23:14,227 ...focus on the foundation. 446 00:23:14,435 --> 00:23:15,895 - Tammy, did you see that? - Hmm? 447 00:23:15,978 --> 00:23:18,272 Watch close. Every now and again, 448 00:23:18,439 --> 00:23:20,358 he glances up at the camera. 449 00:23:20,525 --> 00:23:23,486 It is upon Him that you can place your strong... 450 00:23:23,653 --> 00:23:25,113 - See that? - You're right. 451 00:23:25,196 --> 00:23:28,783 He's talking right to you in the comfort of your living room. 452 00:23:28,950 --> 00:23:31,035 Well, if I could have watched a preacher 453 00:23:31,202 --> 00:23:34,288 on TV in my own home telling me about God, 454 00:23:34,455 --> 00:23:36,332 that would've made such a difference. 455 00:23:36,415 --> 00:23:38,334 JIM: Mm. Amen. 456 00:23:38,918 --> 00:23:42,630 Especially from someone who preaches as good as you do, Jim. 457 00:23:43,339 --> 00:23:45,508 - 458 00:23:45,591 --> 00:23:47,218 - You think? - Oh, yeah. 459 00:23:47,385 --> 00:23:49,428 ...blow your home over? 460 00:23:50,012 --> 00:23:51,430 You know, we could do that. 461 00:23:53,099 --> 00:23:56,435 You're so much more handsome than he is. 462 00:23:57,687 --> 00:23:58,729 Keep calling. 463 00:23:58,938 --> 00:24:00,148 JIM: Gotta do my homework, baby. 464 00:24:00,231 --> 00:24:01,315 The numbers are on your screen. 465 00:24:01,399 --> 00:24:02,733 Mm. Stop it. 466 00:24:02,900 --> 00:24:04,694 You're distracting me. 467 00:24:04,861 --> 00:24:07,363 ...voices of angels. I hope you enjoy them, 468 00:24:07,446 --> 00:24:08,656 and we have a variety... 469 00:24:09,448 --> 00:24:12,451 Well, we'll have to call the preacher down in Raleigh 470 00:24:12,618 --> 00:24:14,328 and let him know we got a better gig down here. 471 00:24:14,495 --> 00:24:16,247 Don't make him cross at you, Jim. 472 00:24:16,414 --> 00:24:18,082 We wanna have him want us back. 473 00:24:18,249 --> 00:24:19,625 JIM: Hold on. 474 00:24:19,792 --> 00:24:21,085 TAMMY: What? 475 00:24:21,252 --> 00:24:22,336 JIM: The car. 476 00:24:23,546 --> 00:24:24,672 I... 477 00:24:26,340 --> 00:24:27,967 I... I parked it here. 478 00:24:28,259 --> 00:24:30,803 Yep, you sure did. Uh-huh. 479 00:24:32,263 --> 00:24:33,389 Well, must've got stolen... 480 00:24:33,556 --> 00:24:34,640 What? 481 00:24:34,724 --> 00:24:36,893 Oh. 482 00:24:37,977 --> 00:24:39,061 Oh, maybe it got towed. 483 00:24:39,687 --> 00:24:42,565 No, I know I made the payments, so... 484 00:24:43,983 --> 00:24:45,526 I think I made the payments. 485 00:24:45,693 --> 00:24:46,694 Oh, Jim. 486 00:24:46,777 --> 00:24:48,362 Maybe they didn't get the payments or maybe... 487 00:24:48,446 --> 00:24:49,447 Oh, no. 488 00:24:49,530 --> 00:24:50,823 I don't think I forgot. 489 00:24:51,199 --> 00:24:52,533 - I think I... - Okay. 490 00:24:52,617 --> 00:24:54,952 - Oh, Tammy, I don't know... - We need to pray. 491 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,163 Oh, did I? Yes, yes, yes. 492 00:24:57,246 --> 00:24:58,414 TAMMY: Oh, Lord, 493 00:24:58,581 --> 00:25:00,374 we are good soldiers. 494 00:25:00,541 --> 00:25:02,168 - We are here for good. - Oh, I'm sorry, Tammy. 495 00:25:02,251 --> 00:25:03,920 - We are here for your good. - I'm so, so, so sorry. 496 00:25:04,003 --> 00:25:05,213 And we ask that you shine your light... 497 00:25:05,296 --> 00:25:06,797 JIM: I shouldn't have put so much faith in that bank. 498 00:25:06,881 --> 00:25:08,341 God, I'm so sorry. 499 00:25:08,549 --> 00:25:09,675 Jesus, I'm so sorry. 500 00:25:09,842 --> 00:25:11,302 Tammy, I'm sorry. 501 00:25:11,469 --> 00:25:12,929 I'm sorry. 502 00:25:13,095 --> 00:25:14,597 - Jim. - 503 00:25:16,849 --> 00:25:17,850 MAN: Hey. 504 00:25:18,392 --> 00:25:20,728 Hey, I saw you preach last night. 505 00:25:20,895 --> 00:25:23,814 Those puppets of yours filled me. Deeply. 506 00:25:23,981 --> 00:25:25,274 TAMMY: Oh, thank you. 507 00:25:25,358 --> 00:25:26,400 JIM: Thank you. 508 00:25:26,567 --> 00:25:28,027 I'm staying in the room next door. 509 00:25:28,527 --> 00:25:30,696 - Can I help you with that? - No! 510 00:25:30,780 --> 00:25:32,490 Well, that's very kind of you, 511 00:25:33,658 --> 00:25:36,077 but we don't rightly know where we're carrying it to. 512 00:25:36,911 --> 00:25:38,537 I work at a local television station 513 00:25:38,704 --> 00:25:40,873 with a minister by the name of Mr. Pat Robertson. 514 00:25:44,961 --> 00:25:46,379 He'd get a kick outta you two. 515 00:25:51,467 --> 00:25:54,929 WOMAN 1: Yes, honey, and that's $25 a pledge. 516 00:25:55,012 --> 00:25:58,391 -WOMAN 2: CBN. 517 00:25:58,474 --> 00:26:00,393 Can I take your pledge? 518 00:26:01,811 --> 00:26:03,729 JIM: Well, I'm trying to focus. 519 00:26:05,481 --> 00:26:07,400 And you're just distracting me. 520 00:26:07,566 --> 00:26:09,860 You make me laugh. I was happy to find... 521 00:26:12,738 --> 00:26:14,699 JIM: You're so funny, Graham. 522 00:26:14,865 --> 00:26:16,325 - Jim? - Hey, honey. 523 00:26:16,409 --> 00:26:18,119 Hi, I got a new outfit for the show. 524 00:26:18,286 --> 00:26:20,079 Oh, yes, I love it. 525 00:26:20,579 --> 00:26:22,331 Jim. - JIM: Yeah? 526 00:26:22,498 --> 00:26:23,499 You didn't even look at me. 527 00:26:23,666 --> 00:26:24,667 JIM: Oh. 528 00:26:25,293 --> 00:26:26,711 I'm sorry, Tam. 529 00:26:26,877 --> 00:26:28,045 Have I ever told you 530 00:26:28,129 --> 00:26:31,799 that I am the luckiest man on the face of this planet? 531 00:26:31,882 --> 00:26:33,634 -Have I ever told you that? 532 00:26:33,718 --> 00:26:35,678 - Not today. - Not today, no? 533 00:26:35,845 --> 00:26:37,054 I'm going to tell you something, too, 534 00:26:37,138 --> 00:26:38,723 but I'm not gonna tell you right now. 535 00:26:38,889 --> 00:26:39,890 You're gonna have to wait. 536 00:26:40,099 --> 00:26:41,934 -Yeah. 537 00:26:42,685 --> 00:26:43,936 You just have to. 538 00:26:44,353 --> 00:26:45,688 And there he is. 539 00:26:46,188 --> 00:26:47,273 Every time I try and talk to him, 540 00:26:47,356 --> 00:26:49,400 he just keeps making excuses not to see me. 541 00:26:49,567 --> 00:26:53,321 Well, my surprise is gonna make you feel so much better. 542 00:26:53,904 --> 00:26:55,156 I'll be right back. 543 00:26:55,323 --> 00:26:56,365 No, Jim, 544 00:26:56,532 --> 00:26:57,825 - the show's about to start. - JIM: Hey, Pat! 545 00:26:57,908 --> 00:26:59,952 PAT: Jim! Hey! JIM: You got a second? 546 00:27:01,162 --> 00:27:03,289 Have you given more thought to our show idea? 547 00:27:03,372 --> 00:27:04,373 MAN: All right, let me get you set up. 548 00:27:04,457 --> 00:27:05,791 PAT: Don't you already have your hands full 549 00:27:05,875 --> 00:27:07,084 with those puppets? 550 00:27:07,251 --> 00:27:09,503 Biggest earner we got. You stay focused. 551 00:27:09,670 --> 00:27:10,755 JIM: Well, yes, of course, 552 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,424 but you shut down CBN at 10 p.m. 553 00:27:13,632 --> 00:27:15,009 Why not do a late-night show? 554 00:27:15,176 --> 00:27:16,969 Just kind of like Johnny Carson for Christians? 555 00:27:17,053 --> 00:27:19,263 No, Christians don't stay up that late. 556 00:27:19,347 --> 00:27:20,348 Oh, I do. 557 00:27:20,431 --> 00:27:22,016 - I don't sleep at all. - PAT: What about Tam? 558 00:27:22,183 --> 00:27:23,976 Well, she's gonna miss you at night. 559 00:27:24,143 --> 00:27:26,062 JIM: Tammy loves the idea. MAN: Tammy, we're on. 560 00:27:26,228 --> 00:27:29,231 MAN 2: Okay, we're live in five, four, three. 561 00:27:33,361 --> 00:27:34,820 Oh, hello, everybody! 562 00:27:34,987 --> 00:27:37,615 CHILDREN: Hi, Tammy! 563 00:27:37,782 --> 00:27:40,159 Well, Jim is a little bit late today, 564 00:27:40,326 --> 00:27:42,995 so, um, the theme of today's show, 565 00:27:43,162 --> 00:27:44,872 how about we make it all about the importance 566 00:27:44,955 --> 00:27:47,249 of being places on time, hmm? 567 00:27:47,333 --> 00:27:49,335 Oh, no! Oh, no! - 568 00:27:49,418 --> 00:27:51,212 - I'm sorry, kids! - There he is. 569 00:27:51,379 --> 00:27:54,548 I'm sorry, Tammy! I'm sorry, everybody. 570 00:27:54,757 --> 00:27:57,051 I was just having a little, fun little chat 571 00:27:57,218 --> 00:27:59,804 with Uncle Pat just behind the barn. 572 00:27:59,970 --> 00:28:02,014 Oh, yeah, and what'd you two fellas get up to without me? 573 00:28:02,181 --> 00:28:05,101 Oh, well, it's actually something all you kids... 574 00:28:05,184 --> 00:28:06,185 - Mm-hmm. - ...are gonna wanna 575 00:28:06,268 --> 00:28:07,686 tell your parents about. 576 00:28:07,853 --> 00:28:12,191 It's a brand-new show just for them 577 00:28:12,358 --> 00:28:15,820 right here on CBN! 578 00:28:15,903 --> 00:28:17,363 -Well, amen! 579 00:28:17,446 --> 00:28:20,408 JIM: And it's gonna be called The 700 Club. 580 00:28:20,574 --> 00:28:22,159 TAMMY: Now, isn't that happy news? 581 00:28:22,326 --> 00:28:25,121 Hallelujah! Yes! Yes! 582 00:28:25,287 --> 00:28:26,288 - SUSIE: Hi, kids. - Oh. 583 00:28:26,705 --> 00:28:29,917 -ALL: Hi, Susie Moppet. 584 00:28:30,084 --> 00:28:32,711 Hi, Jim. Today's a happy day. 585 00:28:32,878 --> 00:28:34,380 Isn't it, kids? And you know why, Jim? 586 00:28:34,588 --> 00:28:36,173 Why, Susie? 587 00:28:36,340 --> 00:28:39,343 Well, you're gonna have a new show, kids. 588 00:28:39,427 --> 00:28:41,053 - JIM: Yes. - 589 00:28:41,220 --> 00:28:44,682 SUSIE: And Jim is gonna have 590 00:28:44,849 --> 00:28:46,392 a baby. 591 00:28:46,475 --> 00:28:47,685 - 592 00:28:47,768 --> 00:28:49,645 Look at Tammy, she's right behind you. 593 00:28:53,190 --> 00:28:54,859 We're gonna have a baby? 594 00:28:55,693 --> 00:28:58,195 Isn't the world just full of blessings, Jim? 595 00:28:58,279 --> 00:29:00,239 -Huh? 596 00:29:00,322 --> 00:29:02,116 -That's right, folks! 597 00:29:05,453 --> 00:29:07,329 We're gonna have a baby! 598 00:29:07,413 --> 00:29:08,747 -Oh-ho-ho! 599 00:29:08,873 --> 00:29:11,834 JIM: It's not a drag to be saved. 600 00:29:12,001 --> 00:29:13,752 It's not a boring thing. 601 00:29:13,919 --> 00:29:16,672 That's religion. See, you got 'em mixed up. 602 00:29:16,839 --> 00:29:19,175 Religion is boring and dull, 603 00:29:19,341 --> 00:29:22,511 - but Jesus is life. - 604 00:29:22,678 --> 00:29:25,222 Now, my next guest is a new friend to The 700 Club, 605 00:29:25,389 --> 00:29:29,351 and I can smell his chicken, yes. 606 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:34,064 The Colonel, Colonel Sanders in The 700 Club! 607 00:29:34,148 --> 00:29:36,567 - 608 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:45,409 Oh, the crowd appreciates you. I think they like you. 609 00:29:45,576 --> 00:29:47,286 I think they're wanting some of that chicken. 610 00:29:47,453 --> 00:29:48,746 JIM: I guess the housewives of America 611 00:29:48,829 --> 00:29:50,122 are thanking you for fixing dinner... 612 00:29:53,417 --> 00:29:54,418 Hello. 613 00:29:54,585 --> 00:29:56,003 TAMMY: Oh, hi, Mom. 614 00:29:56,170 --> 00:29:59,340 Do you know what time it is? Why are you calling so late? 615 00:29:59,548 --> 00:30:02,259 Well, Jim says that I need to rest for my pregnancy, 616 00:30:02,426 --> 00:30:05,804 but, oh, you know me. I can't rest, 617 00:30:05,971 --> 00:30:08,057 so thought I'd call my mother to keep me company. 618 00:30:08,224 --> 00:30:10,017 I never got a rest. 619 00:30:10,184 --> 00:30:12,269 Oh, I miss working, though. You know? 620 00:30:12,436 --> 00:30:15,189 It's so lonesome at home all by myself. 621 00:30:15,356 --> 00:30:17,775 Wow! Oh, wow! 622 00:30:17,942 --> 00:30:19,276 And he barely touches me anymore. 623 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,779 And when he does, it's not enthusiastic. 624 00:30:23,239 --> 00:30:26,700 Well, it's up to the wife to make herself desirable for her husband. 625 00:30:26,867 --> 00:30:29,328 I do that. Oh, I do. 626 00:30:29,828 --> 00:30:31,872 He's just really busy. 627 00:30:32,039 --> 00:30:33,582 - JIM: Really? - 628 00:30:33,749 --> 00:30:35,834 So, are you watching Jim's show? 629 00:30:36,001 --> 00:30:38,087 That new talk show of his is on. 630 00:30:38,254 --> 00:30:39,630 Serving God don't feel like 631 00:30:39,713 --> 00:30:41,549 it should be a money-making opportunity. 632 00:30:41,715 --> 00:30:42,716 TAMMY: Yeah. 633 00:30:43,509 --> 00:30:45,594 You know, I wanna do what he's doing. 634 00:30:46,011 --> 00:30:48,597 And I wanna sing and not in a puppet voice. 635 00:30:48,764 --> 00:30:51,308 And I wanna talk about issues that affect people's daily lives. 636 00:30:51,475 --> 00:30:52,977 And there's so much that we don't talk about. 637 00:30:53,143 --> 00:30:54,186 There's so many secrets, 638 00:30:54,353 --> 00:30:57,523 and, you know, everyone says I'm supposed to be tired, 639 00:30:58,148 --> 00:31:00,109 but I just wanna love people. 640 00:31:00,276 --> 00:31:01,694 You got me out of bed 641 00:31:01,777 --> 00:31:03,404 to talk to me about how you're not tired. 642 00:31:03,571 --> 00:31:05,406 Does that make sense to you? 643 00:31:07,491 --> 00:31:08,492 No. 644 00:31:09,535 --> 00:31:12,705 - Sorry. - Night night, Tam. Take care. 645 00:31:12,871 --> 00:31:14,790 TAMMY: Good night, Mom. I love you. 646 00:31:14,957 --> 00:31:15,958 Bye. 647 00:31:16,125 --> 00:31:17,459 Okay, bye-bye. 648 00:31:20,629 --> 00:31:21,630 FRED: Who was it? 649 00:31:24,550 --> 00:31:25,634 RACHEL: That was Tam. 650 00:31:25,718 --> 00:31:26,719 FRED: How is she? 651 00:31:26,802 --> 00:31:28,721 RACHEL: Well, it seems like she's having some trouble 652 00:31:28,804 --> 00:31:30,306 with the pregnancy. What'd I miss? 653 00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:31,473 JIM: ...a second childhood. 654 00:31:31,557 --> 00:31:32,808 FRED: I don't know. The sound was off. 655 00:31:32,975 --> 00:31:34,393 You love kids, don't you? 656 00:31:34,476 --> 00:31:36,103 - You love children. - COLONEL SANDERS: I do. 657 00:31:36,186 --> 00:31:39,607 I have five grandchildren and 14 great-grandchildren. 658 00:31:39,773 --> 00:31:41,775 - Wow! - 659 00:31:42,776 --> 00:31:44,695 I bet they're spoiled. Do you spoil them? 660 00:31:52,953 --> 00:31:54,955 Oh, dear Lord God. 661 00:31:57,583 --> 00:32:01,170 What doors are you gonna open up for me to walk through? 662 00:32:04,423 --> 00:32:06,550 What can I do for happiness? 663 00:32:09,637 --> 00:32:11,764 Oh, I wanna get back on TV. 664 00:32:14,099 --> 00:32:16,477 I'm going back to work for you. 665 00:32:29,365 --> 00:32:31,367 - 666 00:32:36,622 --> 00:32:37,998 Well... 667 00:32:39,375 --> 00:32:41,126 What do you think he pays himself? 668 00:32:44,922 --> 00:32:46,090 I should have worn the other dress. 669 00:32:46,256 --> 00:32:47,841 JIM: You look fine, honey. 670 00:32:49,218 --> 00:32:50,386 Oh. 671 00:32:50,469 --> 00:32:51,470 JIM: There he is. 672 00:32:51,637 --> 00:32:53,806 TAMMY: Dede's wearing a mink. That's a real mink! 673 00:32:53,972 --> 00:32:55,099 And it's warm outside. 674 00:32:55,265 --> 00:32:57,726 You know, we... we paid for all this, Tammy. 675 00:32:57,810 --> 00:33:01,021 You and me, from the swimming pool to the hot tub, 676 00:33:01,689 --> 00:33:03,774 and Dede's dead animal. We paid for it. 677 00:33:03,941 --> 00:33:06,819 Well, the fruit isn't dropping our way, that's for sure. 678 00:33:06,902 --> 00:33:09,655 -My little stars! 679 00:33:10,239 --> 00:33:11,699 Hello. Hey, Pat! 680 00:33:11,782 --> 00:33:12,950 - What a beautiful place! - How are you? 681 00:33:13,033 --> 00:33:14,952 - Oh, thank you, thank you! - Paradise! 682 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,122 Look at that little baby, too. Positively a chipmunk. 683 00:33:18,288 --> 00:33:19,415 Thanks. 684 00:33:19,581 --> 00:33:20,666 Hey, that's a nice coat. 685 00:33:20,833 --> 00:33:21,875 Oh, thank you, dear. 686 00:33:21,959 --> 00:33:23,127 Must be hot though. 687 00:33:23,210 --> 00:33:24,378 No, not in the least. 688 00:33:26,213 --> 00:33:27,589 PAT: Hey, Jim, I've been thinking. 689 00:33:27,673 --> 00:33:29,591 - JIM: Mm-hmm? - Have you given any thought 690 00:33:29,675 --> 00:33:32,219 to taking some time off to be with your family? 691 00:33:33,053 --> 00:33:34,680 These times do not come back. 692 00:33:34,763 --> 00:33:35,764 - No. - Trust me, 693 00:33:35,848 --> 00:33:37,182 they are precious, precious times. 694 00:33:37,266 --> 00:33:38,267 PAT: No, sir. JIM: Mm. 695 00:33:38,684 --> 00:33:41,854 I can do The 700 Club for a time. 696 00:33:42,521 --> 00:33:45,983 We can air reruns of Jim and Tammy for a few weeks. 697 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,527 - TAMMY: Hmm. - A couple of months even. 698 00:33:51,947 --> 00:33:54,408 It's very... It's very kind of you, Uncle Pat. 699 00:33:54,575 --> 00:33:55,701 Thank you. 700 00:33:55,868 --> 00:33:59,705 But, you know, I got that bond going with my audience, you know? 701 00:33:59,788 --> 00:34:00,831 We're on the up-and-up. 702 00:34:00,914 --> 00:34:02,958 I couldn't think of abandoning them right now. 703 00:34:03,125 --> 00:34:05,127 - Well, we'll think about it. - Oh, Pat, Pat, Pat! 704 00:34:05,294 --> 00:34:06,670 - PAT: Oh. - He came. 705 00:34:06,754 --> 00:34:08,922 Oh, my goodness! 706 00:34:14,178 --> 00:34:15,345 - PAT: Hello! Hello! - Honey. 707 00:34:15,429 --> 00:34:16,722 - I see, I see him. - Go say hi! 708 00:34:16,805 --> 00:34:18,140 I know, I see him. We'll sit down, we'll sit down. 709 00:34:18,223 --> 00:34:19,224 PAT: Was your drive in okay? 710 00:34:19,308 --> 00:34:20,768 - Jim, go say hi! - I don't wanna say hi. 711 00:34:20,851 --> 00:34:22,060 I'm fine. We'll say hi later. 712 00:34:22,144 --> 00:34:24,021 PAT: You remember Jim and Tammy Faye? 713 00:34:24,188 --> 00:34:26,356 - Hey, now, the puppet people! - 714 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,567 Oh, my goodness, just... 715 00:34:28,734 --> 00:34:30,360 What a pleasure, Mr. Falwell. 716 00:34:30,527 --> 00:34:32,112 A pleasure and a blessing. 717 00:34:32,279 --> 00:34:35,574 You are truly an inspiration to me. It's an honor. 718 00:34:35,741 --> 00:34:37,201 Nice to meet you, Jerry. I'm Tammy. 719 00:34:37,367 --> 00:34:39,077 JIM: Tammy Faye and this is Sissy. 720 00:34:39,161 --> 00:34:40,454 -Aren't the three of you 721 00:34:40,537 --> 00:34:41,538 as cute as a button? 722 00:34:41,622 --> 00:34:43,123 TAMMY: Aw! PAT: Yes, sir! 723 00:34:43,749 --> 00:34:45,083 JERRY: It's a moral issue... 724 00:34:47,795 --> 00:34:49,671 ...feminist revolution. 725 00:34:55,093 --> 00:34:56,470 DEDE: You know it was fate. 726 00:34:56,637 --> 00:34:59,139 It was when my youngest was being baptized, 727 00:34:59,306 --> 00:35:00,974 she was such a little-bitty thing 728 00:35:01,141 --> 00:35:02,810 that we had to put a little milk crate 729 00:35:02,893 --> 00:35:05,270 in the baptismal for her to stand on. 730 00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:08,857 Come on, let's go see Daddy. 731 00:35:13,445 --> 00:35:14,822 Hi! 732 00:35:17,783 --> 00:35:19,284 I have the baby, you know. 733 00:35:19,368 --> 00:35:21,078 It's kinda hard to eat and, you know... 734 00:35:21,203 --> 00:35:22,704 JIM: Sure. Um, yeah. 735 00:35:22,871 --> 00:35:25,582 Using the fork and the knife at the same time 736 00:35:25,749 --> 00:35:27,084 and, you know, get the food to my mouth. 737 00:35:27,167 --> 00:35:28,293 Well, why don't... 738 00:35:28,377 --> 00:35:29,461 - I think... - And I wanna hear 739 00:35:29,545 --> 00:35:30,921 all this interesting stuff. 740 00:35:31,004 --> 00:35:32,047 - PAT: Yeah, but... - Honey... 741 00:35:32,130 --> 00:35:33,131 TAMMY: Well, I'll be right back. 742 00:35:33,298 --> 00:35:34,341 - Tam. - Oh. 743 00:35:36,343 --> 00:35:37,761 She's a firecracker, Jim. 744 00:35:43,350 --> 00:35:44,560 - Jim. - Yes. 745 00:35:44,726 --> 00:35:45,769 Come on. 746 00:35:45,853 --> 00:35:47,437 - SWAGGART: Okay. - 747 00:35:49,273 --> 00:35:50,691 SWAGGART: Okay. 748 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:52,442 Well, very nice. 749 00:35:52,943 --> 00:35:54,444 As you were saying, Jerry? 750 00:35:56,530 --> 00:35:58,740 Let's call me Reverend Falwell. 751 00:35:59,616 --> 00:36:00,617 Of course. 752 00:36:02,286 --> 00:36:04,454 JERRY: Young people today are raised on television. 753 00:36:04,621 --> 00:36:06,540 It's taught them an immorality. 754 00:36:06,707 --> 00:36:11,420 But now, we are on television. 755 00:36:12,838 --> 00:36:14,673 When I created The 700 Club, 756 00:36:15,090 --> 00:36:18,051 all I needed was 700 people to keep us going. 757 00:36:18,135 --> 00:36:21,847 A year later, we're in six markets and growin'. 758 00:36:22,014 --> 00:36:26,393 Hundreds of thousands of folks are hearin' the word. 759 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,562 Now, God has a voice in this fight. 760 00:36:28,729 --> 00:36:29,897 SWAGGART: Amen. PAT: Mm-hmm. 761 00:36:29,980 --> 00:36:31,940 Mm. Who's He fighting? 762 00:36:32,733 --> 00:36:34,192 JERRY: The liberal agenda. 763 00:36:34,359 --> 00:36:36,612 The feminist agenda. 764 00:36:36,778 --> 00:36:37,988 Homosexual agenda. 765 00:36:38,447 --> 00:36:41,241 It's time for a reversal of these trends. 766 00:36:41,450 --> 00:36:44,286 The only hope's in saving America. 767 00:36:44,494 --> 00:36:45,621 SWAGGART: Get back to the good old days. 768 00:36:45,704 --> 00:36:46,955 - JIM: Mm. Mm. - 769 00:36:47,706 --> 00:36:50,125 Well, I love our country, 770 00:36:50,792 --> 00:36:52,669 but America is for them, too. 771 00:36:53,086 --> 00:36:55,172 - Uh... Well... - 772 00:36:55,255 --> 00:36:56,256 - Oh, Tam? - Mm? 773 00:36:56,340 --> 00:36:57,674 Will you mind getting me another Coke? 774 00:36:57,758 --> 00:36:58,967 Jim, let your wife speak. 775 00:37:00,385 --> 00:37:03,180 Debate. I think it gets us all back to unity. 776 00:37:03,347 --> 00:37:06,099 Oh, I don't want to debate you, Jerry. I love you. 777 00:37:06,266 --> 00:37:08,310 - I love all of you guys. - Reverend Falwell. 778 00:37:09,269 --> 00:37:10,270 PAT: Um... 779 00:37:10,354 --> 00:37:12,230 We love you, too, Tammy Faye. 780 00:37:12,314 --> 00:37:13,732 MAN: Yes, we do. 781 00:37:15,067 --> 00:37:16,234 JERRY: God as my witness, 782 00:37:16,318 --> 00:37:20,572 I made a pledge to continue to expose the sins in this country. 783 00:37:21,198 --> 00:37:24,868 The Bible explicitly forbids homosexuality. 784 00:37:25,077 --> 00:37:26,787 There's no gray area. 785 00:37:27,329 --> 00:37:28,330 TAMMY: Mm. 786 00:37:28,413 --> 00:37:32,042 Well, you know, I don't think of them as homosexuals. 787 00:37:32,125 --> 00:37:34,586 I just think of them as other human beings that I love. 788 00:37:35,003 --> 00:37:38,799 You know, we're all just people made out of the same old dirt. 789 00:37:38,966 --> 00:37:40,968 And God didn't make any junk. 790 00:37:42,177 --> 00:37:43,178 Right, honey? 791 00:37:46,848 --> 00:37:47,975 - JIM: Tammy? - Hmm? 792 00:37:49,434 --> 00:37:50,686 - Tam. - Hmm? 793 00:37:50,769 --> 00:37:52,813 You can't... What are you doing? 794 00:37:52,896 --> 00:37:54,189 TAMMY: I'm changing the baby, honey. 795 00:37:54,272 --> 00:37:56,608 JIM: You can't talk to him like that. 796 00:37:57,567 --> 00:38:00,737 That's the big boss man. We need him to like us. 797 00:38:00,904 --> 00:38:02,572 - Jim. - No, Tammy. 798 00:38:02,739 --> 00:38:05,659 Look, listen to me. I'm trying to build something here. 799 00:38:06,076 --> 00:38:07,327 I'm not messing around. 800 00:38:07,494 --> 00:38:10,580 God told me He wants me to have what Pat has. 801 00:38:10,747 --> 00:38:13,959 But if you keep acting like that, if you keep talking to Falwell that way, 802 00:38:14,042 --> 00:38:15,293 I'm not gonna ever get there. 803 00:38:15,419 --> 00:38:17,713 Well, God's been talking to me, too, you know, Jim? 804 00:38:17,879 --> 00:38:19,464 And He said that I gotta speak up. 805 00:38:20,674 --> 00:38:22,217 So, here goes. 806 00:38:22,384 --> 00:38:25,012 You can't leave me at home all alone, 807 00:38:25,095 --> 00:38:27,681 feeling unloved, and useless. 808 00:38:29,141 --> 00:38:32,728 And He said that I belong on TV just as much as you do. 809 00:38:32,894 --> 00:38:35,522 And that I should sing and I should be funny. 810 00:38:35,605 --> 00:38:38,358 And I should talk about real things for grown-ups. 811 00:38:38,525 --> 00:38:40,777 Just, you know, just the way you do. 812 00:38:42,821 --> 00:38:43,822 And... 813 00:38:44,865 --> 00:38:48,702 He says I'm not gonna tell people who's going to Hell, Jim. 814 00:38:49,995 --> 00:38:52,289 We're in the business of healing people. 815 00:38:55,125 --> 00:38:56,334 Yes. 816 00:38:58,003 --> 00:39:00,797 Jerry Falwell's a powerful man, Tammy Faye. 817 00:39:03,175 --> 00:39:05,010 Jim Bakker 818 00:39:06,303 --> 00:39:09,306 is a powerful man. 819 00:39:09,473 --> 00:39:11,641 - Jim Bakker. - 820 00:39:15,270 --> 00:39:18,857 Yes, he is, Tammy Faye Bakker. 821 00:39:20,734 --> 00:39:24,362 I'm so, so sorry. I forgot my own strength, 822 00:39:25,405 --> 00:39:27,866 and my manly duties. 823 00:39:31,078 --> 00:39:32,954 You know, we built CBN in four years 824 00:39:33,038 --> 00:39:35,373 and we could build our own in half that. 825 00:39:36,249 --> 00:39:38,001 Yes, I think we can. 826 00:39:39,544 --> 00:39:41,505 - Oh, yeah, we can. - 827 00:39:42,631 --> 00:39:45,133 - Yes. - 828 00:39:45,926 --> 00:39:49,679 Jim Bakker is gonna be a builder for Christ. 829 00:39:50,347 --> 00:39:52,349 Oh, yes, he will. 830 00:39:52,432 --> 00:39:55,435 -And Tammy Faye Bakker 831 00:39:55,602 --> 00:40:00,232 is gonna sing her gospel all around the world. 832 00:40:00,398 --> 00:40:02,442 We are gonna spread His word. 833 00:40:02,984 --> 00:40:03,985 Oh, my! 834 00:40:07,531 --> 00:40:09,324 ANNOUNCER: Coming to you from Praise The Lord studios 835 00:40:09,407 --> 00:40:10,867 in Charlotte, North Carolina, 836 00:40:11,034 --> 00:40:14,037 broadcasting live across this great nation. 837 00:40:14,830 --> 00:40:15,914 Praise The Lord television network 838 00:40:16,081 --> 00:40:19,167 presents our five-year anniversary Christmas special 839 00:40:19,251 --> 00:40:21,628 the Jim and Tammy Show! 840 00:40:21,711 --> 00:40:22,838 Ooh we're blest 841 00:40:24,381 --> 00:40:26,883 We are blest 842 00:40:27,050 --> 00:40:29,469 Yes, we've got shelter clothing and strength 843 00:40:29,636 --> 00:40:32,597 We are blest 844 00:40:32,764 --> 00:40:34,891 We're blest, we're blest, we're blest 845 00:40:35,058 --> 00:40:37,936 We are blest 846 00:40:38,103 --> 00:40:43,233 We don't deserve it but yet we are blest 847 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,820 We don't deserve it but yet we are blest 848 00:40:46,903 --> 00:40:48,446 -Hi, everybody! 849 00:40:50,240 --> 00:40:52,951 Nice to see you. Hi! How are you? 850 00:40:53,410 --> 00:40:55,579 Look at all of you! Wow! 851 00:40:55,662 --> 00:40:56,997 My land! 852 00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,583 What a beautiful audience! Hi, how are you doing? 853 00:40:59,666 --> 00:41:03,086 God has worked miracles! I want miracles for all of us! 854 00:41:03,253 --> 00:41:06,339 We've got a marvelous show for you today. Little Richard is here! 855 00:41:06,548 --> 00:41:07,924 God loves you. 856 00:41:08,091 --> 00:41:09,467 He really does! 857 00:41:09,551 --> 00:41:12,345 REPORTER: They are doing God's work teaching skills to the homeless. 858 00:41:12,554 --> 00:41:14,097 Providing housing for unwed mothers 859 00:41:14,181 --> 00:41:15,557 and handicapped children. 860 00:41:21,771 --> 00:41:24,357 PTL brings the word of God and Jesus Christ 861 00:41:24,441 --> 00:41:25,567 - to the whole world. - That's it. 862 00:41:25,734 --> 00:41:28,153 - God bless you, honey. - It's a powerful thing! 863 00:41:34,701 --> 00:41:36,703 REPORTER 2: Five years ago, the PTL network 864 00:41:36,786 --> 00:41:39,623 was little more than a prayer and a dream. 865 00:41:39,831 --> 00:41:42,167 Today, the nation's fourth largest network. 866 00:41:42,334 --> 00:41:47,088 We don't deserve it but yet we are blest 867 00:41:47,672 --> 00:41:51,801 We don't deserve it but yet we are blest 868 00:41:52,802 --> 00:41:54,221 Yes, people. We truly are blessed 869 00:41:54,387 --> 00:41:56,389 because there is no condemnation for them 870 00:41:56,473 --> 00:41:57,974 which are in Jesus Christ. 871 00:41:58,141 --> 00:42:01,228 Therefore, if God is for us, who could be against us? 872 00:42:01,394 --> 00:42:03,688 Blessed are they that hunger and thirst for His glory, 873 00:42:03,772 --> 00:42:05,857 for they shall be filled. 874 00:42:06,024 --> 00:42:08,902 Blessed are the pure of heart, for they shall see God. 875 00:42:09,069 --> 00:42:13,031 We have gathered us into His kingdom and made us priests of God his Father. 876 00:42:13,198 --> 00:42:17,702 Give unto Him everlasting glory, He rules forever! Amen! 877 00:42:17,827 --> 00:42:19,496 -Amen! 878 00:42:19,663 --> 00:42:21,081 Wow! 879 00:42:23,917 --> 00:42:25,418 My land! 880 00:42:29,381 --> 00:42:31,549 Tammy Faye, ladies and gentlemen, 881 00:42:31,633 --> 00:42:32,634 Tammy Faye Bakker! 882 00:42:33,802 --> 00:42:37,472 And it's the happiest time of the year, it's Christmas! 883 00:42:38,265 --> 00:42:40,600 And remember, never forget it. 884 00:42:41,184 --> 00:42:44,271 You know what I'm gonna say. God loves you. 885 00:42:44,437 --> 00:42:46,398 He really, really, really does. 886 00:42:46,564 --> 00:42:48,358 Merry Christmas, everyone! 887 00:42:48,525 --> 00:42:51,069 - Merry Christmas! - Bye-bye, everybody! 888 00:42:51,236 --> 00:42:52,946 I'm Fletcher, Jim's right-hand man. 889 00:42:53,113 --> 00:42:55,448 Jim and Tammy are gonna be so happy to see you. 890 00:42:55,615 --> 00:42:58,451 I can't believe you've never made it down to the studios before. 891 00:42:58,535 --> 00:43:01,329 Well, the Carolinas are a long way from International Falls. 892 00:43:01,454 --> 00:43:03,665 Have you always been involved with the church, Mr. Fletcher? 893 00:43:03,832 --> 00:43:05,375 I've done all sorts of things. 894 00:43:05,542 --> 00:43:07,711 Once, I was even a party clown. 895 00:43:07,877 --> 00:43:09,004 You don't believe me, but it's true. 896 00:43:09,337 --> 00:43:10,880 Come, this way. Show's about to start. 897 00:43:10,964 --> 00:43:11,965 FRED: Party clown? 898 00:43:12,048 --> 00:43:13,258 We'll get you set up. 899 00:43:13,425 --> 00:43:15,719 MAN: But the penile implant of the inflatable type 900 00:43:15,802 --> 00:43:17,387 is the one that we see here. 901 00:43:17,554 --> 00:43:18,972 Mm-hmm. And this is the newest one? 902 00:43:19,139 --> 00:43:22,183 Well, it is. And when the man wants to become erect, 903 00:43:22,976 --> 00:43:24,394 he simply reaches down 904 00:43:24,561 --> 00:43:27,897 and he squeezes that several times 905 00:43:28,064 --> 00:43:29,357 and the man becomes firm. 906 00:43:29,482 --> 00:43:31,484 I think that's fantastic. 907 00:43:32,944 --> 00:43:35,155 - Go ahead, audience, go ahead. - 908 00:43:37,449 --> 00:43:39,200 Well, you know something else that's fantastic? 909 00:43:39,367 --> 00:43:41,202 I'm so excited I'm just beside myself. 910 00:43:41,411 --> 00:43:43,621 I would like to introduce you 911 00:43:43,788 --> 00:43:46,875 to my mother and her husband, 912 00:43:47,042 --> 00:43:48,710 Rachel and Fred Grover. 913 00:43:49,169 --> 00:43:51,463 Stand up, everybody, stand up. 914 00:43:51,713 --> 00:43:52,714 Come on. Stand up, 915 00:43:52,797 --> 00:43:54,591 that deserves a big ol' round of applause. 916 00:43:56,926 --> 00:43:58,470 Stand up, Mom. 917 00:44:04,517 --> 00:44:05,727 TAMMY: Thank you. 918 00:44:05,894 --> 00:44:07,562 So, here's the house. 919 00:44:07,729 --> 00:44:10,607 Isn't it beautiful? I just think it's so neat. 920 00:44:10,690 --> 00:44:13,777 Our ministry's building lots of houses on the PTL property. 921 00:44:13,943 --> 00:44:16,488 There's one with pregnant teens and one for kids with needs. 922 00:44:16,654 --> 00:44:18,198 It's all part of our mission to help people. 923 00:44:18,365 --> 00:44:20,158 FRED: This is just wonderful, honey. 924 00:44:20,325 --> 00:44:21,659 Yeah, I'm so glad you guys are here. 925 00:44:21,785 --> 00:44:23,286 I got you set up in the guest room 926 00:44:23,453 --> 00:44:26,122 and you can stay there until your new house is ready. 927 00:44:26,581 --> 00:44:28,958 Come on. Let me give you a tour. 928 00:44:29,125 --> 00:44:32,754 This is the relaxation room. 929 00:44:33,797 --> 00:44:36,716 Oh, now that you're here, I'm just gonna bug you any time I want to. 930 00:44:36,883 --> 00:44:39,511 Oh, yeah, I'm gonna wake you up any hour of the night. 931 00:44:39,677 --> 00:44:42,222 I'm just so glad to have you here in the PTL property with me, Mom. 932 00:44:43,890 --> 00:44:46,643 All those people looking at me and clapping. 933 00:44:46,810 --> 00:44:47,936 Oh, no. 934 00:44:48,103 --> 00:44:50,271 RACHEL: I don't appreciate being bamboozled like that. 935 00:44:50,438 --> 00:44:51,564 It's love, Mom. 936 00:44:52,315 --> 00:44:53,817 Oh, yeah, that's God's love. 937 00:44:53,983 --> 00:44:56,653 Every day, I have rapture. 938 00:44:56,820 --> 00:44:57,821 RACHEL: Rapture? 939 00:44:57,987 --> 00:45:01,616 You just spent an hour talking about pumping penises. 940 00:45:03,868 --> 00:45:05,328 Well, these things happen to people 941 00:45:05,495 --> 00:45:08,373 and I'm just being honest about the way that life is. 942 00:45:08,540 --> 00:45:11,376 And I'm providing solutions 943 00:45:11,543 --> 00:45:13,211 to make marriages better. 944 00:45:13,378 --> 00:45:15,046 - Tam, where's the privy? - On the left. 945 00:45:15,213 --> 00:45:16,214 Okay. 946 00:45:16,423 --> 00:45:17,465 Sit down, Mom. 947 00:45:18,341 --> 00:45:20,176 Who paid for this house, Tammy? 948 00:45:20,468 --> 00:45:21,886 Well, the ministry makes lots of houses. 949 00:45:22,053 --> 00:45:23,805 We've got one for unwed mothers. 950 00:45:23,888 --> 00:45:25,014 Wait till you see Kevin's House. 951 00:45:25,390 --> 00:45:27,809 Oh, yeah, that one's for kids with special needs. 952 00:45:27,976 --> 00:45:30,728 And it's named after a sweet little boy named Kevin. 953 00:45:30,854 --> 00:45:31,855 Oh, he's 13 years old 954 00:45:32,063 --> 00:45:35,275 and he is the sweetest, tiniest little thing you ever saw. 955 00:45:35,442 --> 00:45:37,652 His hands are attached to his shoulders 956 00:45:37,819 --> 00:45:39,529 and he has no arms at all. 957 00:45:39,696 --> 00:45:40,905 Bless his little heart. 958 00:45:41,739 --> 00:45:43,408 Let me show you to your room. 959 00:45:46,619 --> 00:45:48,163 Okay, everyone, let's see if I can do this. 960 00:45:48,329 --> 00:45:50,874 So, now, you're gonna go in a circle. 961 00:45:50,957 --> 00:45:54,043 Oh, mine looks a little bit like it had an explosion. 962 00:45:54,127 --> 00:45:55,420 -You know what I'm gonna do? 963 00:45:55,503 --> 00:45:58,214 'Cause normally when I use frosting, it's not this thick. 964 00:45:58,298 --> 00:45:59,299 I'm just gonna do that. 965 00:45:59,382 --> 00:46:00,717 - I think it's gonna be pretty. - 966 00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:02,427 You know, next time, I'm gonna make you guys my fudge. 967 00:46:02,510 --> 00:46:04,512 That's the best. I think I've only made that, 968 00:46:04,596 --> 00:46:07,223 you know, on the show, like, a couple times. Mm. 969 00:46:07,307 --> 00:46:09,100 I know! I wish we had smell-o-vision, 970 00:46:09,184 --> 00:46:10,185 - so you could smell this. - 971 00:46:10,268 --> 00:46:11,895 This is really nice. 972 00:46:18,193 --> 00:46:19,360 Oh! 973 00:46:19,444 --> 00:46:21,070 That one. How much time do we have? 974 00:46:21,154 --> 00:46:22,155 MAN: 10 minutes, Tammy. 975 00:46:22,322 --> 00:46:23,823 Oh, goodness! 976 00:46:27,619 --> 00:46:29,162 Wasn't that fun? 977 00:46:29,329 --> 00:46:32,165 I'm not sure what's so Christian about decorating a cupcake. 978 00:46:32,332 --> 00:46:34,709 Oh, Mom, you're so funny. 979 00:46:34,792 --> 00:46:36,503 - Have you seen this? - TAMMY: Hmm? 980 00:46:36,586 --> 00:46:37,712 From The Observer. 981 00:46:37,879 --> 00:46:39,839 Picture of you and Jim on the front. 982 00:46:39,923 --> 00:46:40,924 Ah. 983 00:46:41,007 --> 00:46:43,468 "PTL's Bakker diverts ministry funds" 984 00:46:43,635 --> 00:46:46,012 "for new building project." 985 00:46:46,513 --> 00:46:47,764 What's that about? 986 00:46:49,265 --> 00:46:50,642 Well, you can't believe everything 987 00:46:50,725 --> 00:46:52,477 that you read in the newspapers, Mom. 988 00:46:52,644 --> 00:46:54,270 How's Fred doing? Is he settling in okay? 989 00:46:54,354 --> 00:46:57,649 Smoke and fire idn't just the providence of Hell, girl. 990 00:46:57,815 --> 00:46:59,734 You know when I saw that clipping with my face on it, 991 00:46:59,817 --> 00:47:01,653 I thought for a second that you were proud of me. 992 00:47:02,779 --> 00:47:06,366 I'm hearing there are articles like this in the paper every day. 993 00:47:07,033 --> 00:47:08,618 The secular press hates us 994 00:47:08,701 --> 00:47:11,621 because we're winning millions of souls for Jesus. 995 00:47:12,664 --> 00:47:14,040 Oh, Tammy Faye. 996 00:47:14,207 --> 00:47:15,792 You follow blindly. 997 00:47:15,959 --> 00:47:18,628 In the end, all you are is blind. 998 00:47:21,297 --> 00:47:22,715 JIM: I don't know how to do it. 999 00:47:22,882 --> 00:47:25,093 I just need it done. That is your job. 1000 00:47:25,260 --> 00:47:26,261 Yes. 1001 00:47:27,387 --> 00:47:28,388 Yes. 1002 00:47:28,555 --> 00:47:29,556 God bless you. 1003 00:47:42,068 --> 00:47:44,195 You wonder why I don't snuggle you. 1004 00:47:45,738 --> 00:47:48,908 Maybe it's all that goopy stuff on you. 1005 00:47:49,951 --> 00:47:54,289 Well, it's better than spending the night with an alligator. 1006 00:47:57,041 --> 00:47:58,543 That newspaper. 1007 00:47:59,544 --> 00:48:02,213 She saved it like it was a little treasure. 1008 00:48:03,214 --> 00:48:05,508 It made me feel so rotten. 1009 00:48:06,676 --> 00:48:09,387 Well, your mother's never been all that nice to you. 1010 00:48:10,013 --> 00:48:11,222 Yeah. 1011 00:48:11,848 --> 00:48:13,600 Some people just don't change. 1012 00:48:14,851 --> 00:48:17,312 We're not doing anything wrong, though. 1013 00:48:25,570 --> 00:48:27,405 Is that a question? 1014 00:48:28,656 --> 00:48:29,657 No. 1015 00:48:35,872 --> 00:48:38,708 - 1016 00:48:46,716 --> 00:48:48,301 Tammy, sometimes, I fear 1017 00:48:48,384 --> 00:48:51,554 that what God wants of me is beyond my abilities. 1018 00:48:52,472 --> 00:48:54,140 I'm building so much for Him 1019 00:48:54,223 --> 00:48:57,143 in His name and for His people. 1020 00:48:57,894 --> 00:48:59,187 - Yeah. - And... 1021 00:49:00,021 --> 00:49:01,981 And He's giving me more visions every day. 1022 00:49:02,065 --> 00:49:04,275 Giving me more orders all the time. 1023 00:49:04,359 --> 00:49:07,070 And then, every day, these creditors, 1024 00:49:08,863 --> 00:49:12,241 and the people who are asking me to save them. 1025 00:49:14,577 --> 00:49:16,287 - I'm only one man. - 1026 00:49:16,371 --> 00:49:17,622 I'm only one man, Tammy. 1027 00:49:17,705 --> 00:49:18,998 TAMMY: Oh, Jim. 1028 00:49:20,375 --> 00:49:22,960 Well, I only need one man. 1029 00:49:23,127 --> 00:49:24,587 You're enough, honey. 1030 00:49:26,506 --> 00:49:28,132 Okay, come on. Come to bed. 1031 00:49:29,384 --> 00:49:31,427 Honey, it's been two months, 1032 00:49:31,594 --> 00:49:34,430 and we said we were gonna try to have another baby. 1033 00:49:34,597 --> 00:49:36,265 Tammy, I need your help. 1034 00:49:36,766 --> 00:49:39,185 I need you not to get in my way. 1035 00:49:39,352 --> 00:49:42,188 And I need you to not ask more of me than I can give. 1036 00:49:42,355 --> 00:49:43,356 Okay. 1037 00:49:44,857 --> 00:49:46,317 Do you wanna talk some more? 1038 00:49:47,026 --> 00:49:49,278 - 1039 00:49:52,740 --> 00:49:54,826 - Can you... - 1040 00:49:54,909 --> 00:49:56,327 Can you talk to God? 1041 00:49:57,995 --> 00:50:00,039 - I'm so tired and... - 1042 00:50:02,667 --> 00:50:03,668 Yes? 1043 00:50:04,919 --> 00:50:06,254 I'll call you right back. 1044 00:50:07,672 --> 00:50:08,756 I'll take it downstairs. 1045 00:50:21,227 --> 00:50:22,478 Don't give up 1046 00:50:23,020 --> 00:50:25,314 You're on the brink 1047 00:50:25,481 --> 00:50:29,485 Of a miracle 1048 00:50:29,652 --> 00:50:31,654 Don't give up 1049 00:50:31,821 --> 00:50:36,200 Remember you're not alone 1050 00:50:37,702 --> 00:50:42,081 People, don't give up You're on the brink 1051 00:50:42,248 --> 00:50:45,626 Of a miracle 1052 00:50:45,793 --> 00:50:49,797 Don't give up on the brink 1053 00:50:49,964 --> 00:50:54,010 -Of a miracle - 1054 00:50:54,177 --> 00:50:56,137 Don't give in 1055 00:50:56,304 --> 00:50:59,974 God is still on the throne 1056 00:51:00,183 --> 00:51:02,226 He's on His throne 1057 00:51:02,643 --> 00:51:04,687 -Don't give up - 1058 00:51:04,854 --> 00:51:06,647 You nailed it. 1059 00:51:06,814 --> 00:51:08,024 Really? 1060 00:51:08,649 --> 00:51:11,235 This is sublime. This is top drawer. 1061 00:51:12,195 --> 00:51:13,696 You really think so, Gary? 1062 00:51:14,322 --> 00:51:15,406 I know so. 1063 00:51:15,573 --> 00:51:17,283 Your opinion means so much to me. 1064 00:51:17,450 --> 00:51:19,243 I haven't been this excited about working with an artist 1065 00:51:19,410 --> 00:51:20,953 since I produced Monster Mash. 1066 00:51:21,871 --> 00:51:24,373 That's really sweet. 1067 00:51:24,916 --> 00:51:26,626 We could get a Grammy. 1068 00:51:26,959 --> 00:51:28,920 - Really? - Really. 1069 00:51:34,967 --> 00:51:37,011 Tammy, it's time to go. Time for the shoot. 1070 00:51:37,136 --> 00:51:38,387 Come on. We're... 1071 00:51:39,347 --> 00:51:40,681 Can you hear me? Can you hear me? 1072 00:51:40,765 --> 00:51:41,808 - Yeah. - We've been looking for you, 1073 00:51:41,891 --> 00:51:44,227 so, let's go. We're live in 15 minutes. 1074 00:51:44,435 --> 00:51:46,062 Hey, hey, Jim, how are ya? 1075 00:51:46,854 --> 00:51:48,314 Blessed, Gary, blessed. 1076 00:51:48,397 --> 00:51:50,733 I'm sorry, Jim. You know, I got lost in the music. 1077 00:51:50,900 --> 00:51:53,945 Gary here, he just makes it all so awesome. 1078 00:51:54,028 --> 00:51:55,279 -Wait till you hear it. 1079 00:51:55,363 --> 00:51:56,364 You're going to love it. 1080 00:51:56,447 --> 00:51:57,990 No, it's her voice, Jim. 1081 00:51:58,074 --> 00:52:01,327 I just turn the knobs here. She sings like an angel. 1082 00:52:02,537 --> 00:52:05,331 Well, I'm never giving you back to Nashville, oh, no! 1083 00:52:06,249 --> 00:52:08,209 It's such a beautiful way to connect, Jim. 1084 00:52:08,376 --> 00:52:10,169 It's God's voice through my voice. 1085 00:52:10,336 --> 00:52:11,754 To the world's ears. 1086 00:52:12,338 --> 00:52:13,631 The things you say, Gary. 1087 00:52:14,757 --> 00:52:16,634 Tammy! You're not camera ready. 1088 00:52:16,801 --> 00:52:18,636 You know everybody's waiting for you and it's a big day. 1089 00:52:18,803 --> 00:52:21,305 We gotta do 400 K today. Can we shake a leg, please? 1090 00:52:21,472 --> 00:52:23,391 Thank you. I'm sorry to drag her away, Gary. 1091 00:52:25,977 --> 00:52:27,061 Shake a leg, please. 1092 00:52:27,228 --> 00:52:28,354 Sure thing, Mister. 1093 00:52:28,437 --> 00:52:29,647 Thank you. 1094 00:52:29,814 --> 00:52:31,274 - GARY: Jim. - Thank you, Gary. 1095 00:52:32,149 --> 00:52:33,276 - Tam? - Mm? 1096 00:52:39,198 --> 00:52:40,867 - TAMMY: Ta-da! I made it! - 1097 00:52:41,826 --> 00:52:43,286 MAN: 30 seconds, everyone! 1098 00:52:44,579 --> 00:52:45,705 WOMAN: Light on one, please! 1099 00:52:49,250 --> 00:52:51,460 Hmm. How's that? 1100 00:52:51,627 --> 00:52:52,670 MAN 2: Yeah. 1101 00:52:56,132 --> 00:52:59,427 MAN 3: And we're live in five, four, 1102 00:52:59,594 --> 00:53:02,388 three, two... 1103 00:53:06,517 --> 00:53:10,771 Tammy and I are undergoing the most vicious attacks 1104 00:53:10,938 --> 00:53:13,232 in the history of this ministry. 1105 00:53:14,525 --> 00:53:18,613 By now, perhaps you think that we should be used to these attacks. 1106 00:53:19,572 --> 00:53:21,866 But it's been going on for a long time, Tammy. 1107 00:53:22,033 --> 00:53:23,284 Oh, yeah, that's right, Jim. 1108 00:53:23,367 --> 00:53:25,369 It's been going on a long time. 1109 00:53:26,245 --> 00:53:29,123 We are being persecuted by the secular press 1110 00:53:29,290 --> 00:53:33,753 who simply do not want you to receive the word of God. 1111 00:53:34,545 --> 00:53:36,130 JIM: It is a witch hunt. 1112 00:53:36,297 --> 00:53:39,926 And on top of this, we have numerous past due bills 1113 00:53:40,009 --> 00:53:41,344 that must be paid 1114 00:53:41,427 --> 00:53:43,846 if we want to save the entire network 1115 00:53:43,971 --> 00:53:46,849 and stay on the air delivering the word of God every day. 1116 00:53:47,016 --> 00:53:50,061 So, now is the time for our prayer warriors 1117 00:53:50,227 --> 00:53:53,105 to rise up because we are in a war. 1118 00:53:53,898 --> 00:53:58,194 You know, Tammy and I, we just hate to do this, 1119 00:54:00,071 --> 00:54:02,156 but if every person watching 1120 00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:05,576 could double their pledge right now, 1121 00:54:06,452 --> 00:54:09,789 that way, we can save the word of God. 1122 00:54:09,956 --> 00:54:11,832 I'm talking about salvation. 1123 00:54:11,999 --> 00:54:16,796 Yours, mine, PTL's, the entire world's. 1124 00:54:16,963 --> 00:54:20,216 So, together, if we agree together, 1125 00:54:20,383 --> 00:54:23,177 let's give the devil a black eye. 1126 00:54:24,553 --> 00:54:27,056 Oh, the phones are ringing. Oh. 1127 00:54:27,139 --> 00:54:30,393 - Praise Jesus and praise you! - 1128 00:54:30,559 --> 00:54:33,104 And God bless you! God bless you! 1129 00:54:33,187 --> 00:54:34,522 TAMMY: Hallelujah! 1130 00:54:34,689 --> 00:54:38,025 And don't forget, remember, God loves you. 1131 00:54:38,567 --> 00:54:41,904 - He really, really does. - He really does. 1132 00:54:45,449 --> 00:54:46,575 MAN: Cut! Very good, everyone. 1133 00:54:46,659 --> 00:54:48,160 That was not bad. How was that? 1134 00:54:48,327 --> 00:54:50,955 - How was it? - Uh, that was good, Jim. 1135 00:54:51,038 --> 00:54:53,124 - We need to talk. Now. - Jim, it was great. 1136 00:54:53,290 --> 00:54:55,751 FLETCHER: We're still gonna be over budget on that... 1137 00:54:59,088 --> 00:55:01,966 TAMMY: I just want the sleeves a little shorter. 1138 00:55:02,174 --> 00:55:04,010 Everything's about proportion. 1139 00:55:05,720 --> 00:55:08,305 Okay, you ready to see? Close your eyes. 1140 00:55:10,349 --> 00:55:12,810 - I love it, Mother. - 1141 00:55:13,310 --> 00:55:14,979 Oh, Sissy, you look so beautiful, baby. 1142 00:55:15,146 --> 00:55:16,439 - Thank you. - 1143 00:55:16,605 --> 00:55:18,774 RACHEL: Golly Moses, this thing weighs a ton. 1144 00:55:19,483 --> 00:55:20,526 Oh, goodness. 1145 00:55:20,609 --> 00:55:22,445 RACHEL: Why do you have to do so much shopping, Tam? 1146 00:55:22,570 --> 00:55:24,905 Well, I have to get my exercise somehow. 1147 00:55:25,072 --> 00:55:28,284 And, plus, I don't wanna balloon up with the new baby coming. 1148 00:55:28,451 --> 00:55:30,578 Hey, everyone, come here, come here. 1149 00:55:31,287 --> 00:55:32,288 Now, when she comes out, 1150 00:55:32,455 --> 00:55:35,207 make sure you all tell her how great she looks, okay? 1151 00:55:35,374 --> 00:55:36,876 You know, she hasn't had enough love in her life, 1152 00:55:36,959 --> 00:55:40,087 and it's time that we all change that. 1153 00:55:41,422 --> 00:55:42,423 Go on. 1154 00:55:47,720 --> 00:55:49,430 Good grief. 1155 00:55:49,597 --> 00:55:53,976 You look so good! Come here. You do. 1156 00:55:54,143 --> 00:55:55,311 Right? 1157 00:55:55,478 --> 00:55:56,562 Okay, get up on the pedestal. 1158 00:55:56,729 --> 00:55:57,813 I am not getting up on the pedestal. 1159 00:55:57,980 --> 00:55:59,065 - Come on, Grandma. - Come on. 1160 00:55:59,231 --> 00:56:00,566 - Come on. - Don't push me. 1161 00:56:02,109 --> 00:56:04,278 Isn't it fun? We look like triplets. 1162 00:56:04,445 --> 00:56:06,447 I look like a bear. 1163 00:56:06,614 --> 00:56:08,199 You look like a beautiful bear. 1164 00:56:08,657 --> 00:56:10,868 - Oh. It's too much. - No. 1165 00:56:10,951 --> 00:56:12,578 RACHEL: I already have a coat. 1166 00:56:13,079 --> 00:56:14,622 I don't need it. 1167 00:56:15,831 --> 00:56:18,918 Why are you so unwilling to accept the love that God has for you? 1168 00:56:20,002 --> 00:56:21,504 Can you pay for this? 1169 00:56:21,670 --> 00:56:23,714 The pledges are rolling in, Mom. 1170 00:56:23,881 --> 00:56:25,966 People really like the show 1171 00:56:26,133 --> 00:56:29,970 and they're very happy to accept the love. 1172 00:56:31,722 --> 00:56:33,182 Take the coat, Mom. 1173 00:56:33,724 --> 00:56:35,935 Just take the coat. 1174 00:56:36,018 --> 00:56:37,061 RACHEL: Well... 1175 00:56:37,144 --> 00:56:38,938 TAMMY: Please, for me. 1176 00:56:40,481 --> 00:56:44,902 Well, it is attractive, and it's very, very warm. 1177 00:56:46,153 --> 00:56:47,279 JIM: I just feel like a million dollars. 1178 00:56:47,363 --> 00:56:49,156 WANDA: It looks great, Jim. JIM: You think? 1179 00:56:49,240 --> 00:56:50,407 Yeah, very subtle. 1180 00:56:50,574 --> 00:56:52,409 I didn't feel a thing. Not a thing. 1181 00:56:52,576 --> 00:56:54,286 And I played golf the next day. 1182 00:56:54,453 --> 00:56:55,454 So, we'll have a girl's night. 1183 00:56:55,538 --> 00:56:56,580 We'll go to Maciano's, get some pasta. 1184 00:56:56,664 --> 00:56:57,665 SISSY: Yes, yes. 1185 00:56:57,748 --> 00:56:59,416 - I love that place. - Yeah? Oh, wait. 1186 00:56:59,500 --> 00:57:02,002 You know, why don't you go ahead, I'm gonna catch up. 1187 00:57:02,211 --> 00:57:04,171 - I'm gonna go give Jim a kiss. - Okay. 1188 00:57:04,338 --> 00:57:05,339 See ya. 1189 00:57:06,674 --> 00:57:08,592 And that reporter from The Charlotte Observer 1190 00:57:08,676 --> 00:57:10,261 - been poking around. - 1191 00:57:10,344 --> 00:57:13,055 Calling some of our secretaries, asking for comments. 1192 00:57:13,139 --> 00:57:14,890 I'm gonna put a picture of that guy's butt 1193 00:57:14,974 --> 00:57:17,852 on a punching bag 1194 00:57:18,018 --> 00:57:20,187 and I'm gonna use it for practice. 1195 00:57:21,355 --> 00:57:22,898 FLETCHER: We need to talk about the deficit 1196 00:57:22,982 --> 00:57:24,692 we are running on the expansion to studio... 1197 00:57:24,900 --> 00:57:27,778 JIM: Phooey! Fletcher, no, you're such a worrywart. 1198 00:57:27,945 --> 00:57:29,905 We're gonna do a telethon next week. 1199 00:57:30,072 --> 00:57:31,949 The partners will not let us down. 1200 00:57:32,116 --> 00:57:33,617 Wanda, my nose is shiny. 1201 00:57:33,701 --> 00:57:34,869 WANDA: Mm-mm. JIM: Yes, it is. 1202 00:57:34,952 --> 00:57:36,245 - WANDA: No. - I'm telling you, Wanda. 1203 00:57:36,328 --> 00:57:38,038 - It's fine. - A little more powder, please. 1204 00:57:38,205 --> 00:57:39,498 FLETCHER: Your nose isn't shiny, Jim. 1205 00:57:39,582 --> 00:57:40,791 You're just being fussy. 1206 00:57:40,875 --> 00:57:42,418 -FLETCHER: Wanda, tell him he's fussy. 1207 00:57:42,501 --> 00:57:43,919 You're fussy, Pastor Jim. 1208 00:57:44,003 --> 00:57:45,045 JIM: Oh, how dare you. 1209 00:57:45,129 --> 00:57:46,964 You're wearing as much as Tammy these days. 1210 00:57:48,507 --> 00:57:50,426 Careful, you'll end up looking like a clown. 1211 00:57:52,094 --> 00:57:54,430 - Stop it! You can't talk... - But you know it's true. 1212 00:57:54,513 --> 00:57:55,723 - You know it's true. - JIM: Fletcher. 1213 00:57:55,806 --> 00:57:57,516 You got Wanda laughing. 1214 00:57:57,600 --> 00:57:59,226 FLETCHER: She's not laughing. What are you laughing at? 1215 00:57:59,310 --> 00:58:00,477 -It's not funny. 1216 00:58:00,561 --> 00:58:02,271 It's not funny. 1217 00:58:02,438 --> 00:58:03,814 You guys! 1218 00:58:04,023 --> 00:58:06,066 Oh, I got a new one. 1219 00:58:06,233 --> 00:58:08,277 Penny, cover your ears. 1220 00:58:08,444 --> 00:58:10,029 What did the leper say to the prostitute? 1221 00:58:10,196 --> 00:58:11,614 - Oh, boy. - What? 1222 00:58:11,780 --> 00:58:13,407 "You can keep the tip." 1223 00:58:13,490 --> 00:58:14,658 -Oh, shit. 1224 00:58:16,410 --> 00:58:19,079 Jim, you mean jerk! You're gonna pay for that. 1225 00:58:19,246 --> 00:58:21,207 JIM: I went too far. I went too far. I'm sorry. 1226 00:58:22,458 --> 00:58:24,710 - I got you now. I got you now. - JIM: Wanda! Wanda! 1227 00:58:24,793 --> 00:58:25,836 FLETCHER: Wanda, come here. 1228 00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:27,171 Come here and powder his nose. 1229 00:58:27,254 --> 00:58:28,464 JIM: No! No! FLETCHER: "Wanda, help." 1230 00:58:28,547 --> 00:58:30,299 - "Wanda. Wanda." - 1231 00:58:31,258 --> 00:58:32,968 "My nose is shiny." 1232 00:58:34,178 --> 00:58:37,389 Let me powder your nose. Let me powder your nose. 1233 00:58:53,155 --> 00:58:56,200 Somebody touched me 1234 00:58:56,367 --> 00:58:57,701 Hallelujah 1235 00:58:57,868 --> 00:59:01,538 Somebody touched me 1236 00:59:02,039 --> 00:59:06,460 Oh, I was blind But praise His name 1237 00:59:06,627 --> 00:59:09,171 I now can see 1238 00:59:10,965 --> 00:59:15,052 I was in darkness 1239 00:59:15,219 --> 00:59:19,348 When Jesus found me 1240 00:59:19,515 --> 00:59:23,394 But since He touched me 1241 00:59:25,604 --> 00:59:31,402 I now am free 1242 00:59:32,528 --> 00:59:33,612 -Wow. 1243 00:59:33,696 --> 00:59:35,489 That was beautiful. That was lovely, Tam. 1244 00:59:35,656 --> 00:59:36,949 Gary. 1245 00:59:38,450 --> 00:59:40,244 Aren't you glad He touched you? 1246 00:59:40,411 --> 00:59:42,121 Truly. Yeah. 1247 00:59:45,958 --> 00:59:48,002 Well, this is perfect. I love this. 1248 00:59:48,168 --> 00:59:50,087 Well, it's all you, Tam, it's all you. 1249 00:59:50,254 --> 00:59:54,508 Oh, no. No, no. You know I couldn't do this without you. 1250 00:59:54,675 --> 00:59:58,220 You know, your voice makes me feel closer to Him. 1251 00:59:58,971 --> 01:00:00,973 Like He's right here. 1252 01:00:02,766 --> 01:00:03,934 He is. 1253 01:00:09,106 --> 01:00:13,319 When was the last time that you were touched 1254 01:00:15,029 --> 01:00:17,573 in the way that a woman like you should be touched? 1255 01:00:18,699 --> 01:00:21,243 Oh, well... 1256 01:00:22,619 --> 01:00:23,829 I'm eight months pregnant, Gary, 1257 01:00:23,912 --> 01:00:25,456 so back it up from there. 1258 01:00:26,749 --> 01:00:30,461 Does his touch tell you how talented you are? 1259 01:00:33,630 --> 01:00:34,631 Gary. 1260 01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:37,634 Do his eyes tell you how beautiful you are? 1261 01:00:40,971 --> 01:00:43,390 Does he listen to you? 1262 01:00:43,557 --> 01:00:45,559 Does he hear how amazing you are? 1263 01:00:46,602 --> 01:00:47,811 Tammy. 1264 01:00:47,978 --> 01:00:49,271 Yes. 1265 01:00:49,855 --> 01:00:51,899 Can I touch you like that? 1266 01:00:52,775 --> 01:00:57,071 In that way that you should be touched. 1267 01:01:01,492 --> 01:01:02,534 You can kiss me 1268 01:01:02,618 --> 01:01:03,702 - on my neck. - Okay. 1269 01:01:03,786 --> 01:01:05,829 - Don't leave a mark, okay? - Yeah. 1270 01:01:07,164 --> 01:01:10,000 - 1271 01:01:15,798 --> 01:01:17,800 - 1272 01:01:19,051 --> 01:01:20,260 Come here. 1273 01:01:21,261 --> 01:01:23,097 I wanna hold you. 1274 01:01:28,936 --> 01:01:31,480 - Oh, no. Oh, no. - What? 1275 01:01:31,563 --> 01:01:33,357 - Leave them on. - All right. 1276 01:01:34,274 --> 01:01:35,526 Oh, you're so beautiful, Tammy. 1277 01:01:35,692 --> 01:01:36,944 Oh, you're so big. 1278 01:01:37,111 --> 01:01:38,654 Oh, yeah. 1279 01:01:39,738 --> 01:01:40,906 I like this. 1280 01:01:41,073 --> 01:01:42,199 Yeah. 1281 01:01:47,329 --> 01:01:49,039 What? What's wrong? 1282 01:01:49,540 --> 01:01:51,041 My water broke. 1283 01:01:54,753 --> 01:01:55,754 TAMMY: Mm. 1284 01:01:56,964 --> 01:01:58,799 You're so beautiful. 1285 01:02:00,259 --> 01:02:01,593 - 1286 01:02:06,765 --> 01:02:08,308 He's so precious, Jim. 1287 01:02:18,026 --> 01:02:19,653 GARY: Congratulations, Jim. 1288 01:02:37,963 --> 01:02:40,966 I understand that Gary drove you here? 1289 01:02:42,676 --> 01:02:45,304 GARY: We called the studio, Jim, but you were on the air. 1290 01:02:46,263 --> 01:02:49,308 Tammy was real upset that you weren't here for it. 1291 01:02:51,935 --> 01:02:56,857 I'm just wonderful, Jim. I'm... I'm so wonderful. 1292 01:02:58,775 --> 01:03:02,613 We announced his birth on air. We got a real surge in pledges. 1293 01:03:03,197 --> 01:03:04,198 Praise the Lord. 1294 01:03:04,364 --> 01:03:06,283 We're gonna get that expansion in Studio 3, 1295 01:03:06,366 --> 01:03:08,285 thanks to this little miracle. 1296 01:03:08,744 --> 01:03:10,454 GARY: Hmm. Congrats, Jim. 1297 01:03:11,079 --> 01:03:13,081 This is such a day of joy. 1298 01:03:15,918 --> 01:03:17,544 A day of celebration, 1299 01:03:17,711 --> 01:03:22,633 but I just can't help the feeling that something else is going on here. 1300 01:03:24,551 --> 01:03:26,553 That something depraved 1301 01:03:27,679 --> 01:03:28,931 taints this day. 1302 01:03:31,391 --> 01:03:34,978 GARY: Depraved is a very big word, Jim. 1303 01:03:35,771 --> 01:03:37,814 But it's a fitting word, isn't it, Tammy? 1304 01:03:42,778 --> 01:03:44,321 Yes, Jim. 1305 01:03:51,912 --> 01:03:55,415 Well, Fletcher's waiting outside 1306 01:03:56,250 --> 01:03:58,710 and he'll get this man back to Nashville, where he belongs. 1307 01:03:58,794 --> 01:04:00,754 - Oh, no. Jim, please, no. - JIM: Tammy. 1308 01:04:00,963 --> 01:04:02,714 TAMMY: Please. JIM: Tammy, I suggest 1309 01:04:02,798 --> 01:04:04,424 you don't talk right now. 1310 01:04:05,968 --> 01:04:07,052 Tammy. 1311 01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:11,014 Tammy, I hope you're not gonna let him do this. 1312 01:04:11,473 --> 01:04:13,225 -Tammy? 1313 01:04:13,392 --> 01:04:16,603 I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. 1314 01:04:17,771 --> 01:04:19,106 Sorry. 1315 01:04:19,189 --> 01:04:20,857 - 1316 01:04:22,067 --> 01:04:23,819 I'm so sorry, Jim. 1317 01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:29,950 I'm so sorry. 1318 01:04:39,418 --> 01:04:41,003 Can you take the baby away from her, please? 1319 01:04:41,169 --> 01:04:43,255 NURSE: Okay. All right. 1320 01:04:47,134 --> 01:04:49,636 Let me get you something to help you sleep, okay, honey? 1321 01:05:16,663 --> 01:05:20,125 Yes. That's exactly what I told you. 1322 01:05:20,459 --> 01:05:22,919 Formal living quarters for some of the staff. 1323 01:05:23,003 --> 01:05:24,004 MAN: Wow! 1324 01:05:24,087 --> 01:05:25,297 - JIM: Yes. - So ornate. 1325 01:05:25,464 --> 01:05:27,507 JIM: Inspired by European architect. 1326 01:05:27,674 --> 01:05:29,676 And over here, 1327 01:05:29,843 --> 01:05:33,180 that's the first Christian water park. 1328 01:05:33,347 --> 01:05:34,890 "We are fishers of men." 1329 01:05:35,057 --> 01:05:36,350 That's the bait. 1330 01:05:37,017 --> 01:05:38,644 -That's good. 1331 01:05:38,727 --> 01:05:39,811 JIM: I wanted to show you this, too. 1332 01:05:39,895 --> 01:05:42,022 See, over here... Yes. 1333 01:05:42,189 --> 01:05:45,400 This is Old Jerusalem. 1334 01:05:45,609 --> 01:05:47,653 And it's a stunning replica. 1335 01:05:48,028 --> 01:05:49,821 Oh, it looks beautiful, Jim. 1336 01:05:49,988 --> 01:05:51,156 - Yeah. - So detailed. 1337 01:05:53,909 --> 01:05:56,995 You know what they say about details? God is in 'em. 1338 01:05:57,079 --> 01:05:59,164 Yes. - That's right. 1339 01:05:59,831 --> 01:06:01,667 You know, for as long as I can remember, Roe, 1340 01:06:01,750 --> 01:06:05,504 I've dreamed of a vacation destination for Christian families to come to. 1341 01:06:05,671 --> 01:06:07,798 A place where they can, um... 1342 01:06:08,548 --> 01:06:09,633 Hey, Tam. 1343 01:06:09,841 --> 01:06:11,009 A place where they know 1344 01:06:11,093 --> 01:06:12,886 that their children are gonna be safe, you know? 1345 01:06:13,053 --> 01:06:14,096 ROE: Sure. 1346 01:06:14,262 --> 01:06:15,806 We're selling partnerships to fund it. 1347 01:06:16,515 --> 01:06:18,058 And that way, the partners, 1348 01:06:18,141 --> 01:06:19,685 they feel the sense of ownership 1349 01:06:20,352 --> 01:06:24,564 and a pride in this Christian paradise 1350 01:06:25,107 --> 01:06:26,400 that they've built. 1351 01:06:26,942 --> 01:06:33,490 Uh... Um, how many partnerships do you have to sell in order to fund it? 1352 01:06:33,573 --> 01:06:34,700 JIM: Hmm. Well... 1353 01:06:41,790 --> 01:06:42,791 Yes. 1354 01:06:42,874 --> 01:06:45,252 You know, because the partnerships we've already sold, 1355 01:06:46,795 --> 01:06:49,923 they've had to go to funding other projects. 1356 01:06:50,841 --> 01:06:52,634 - I see. - Yes. 1357 01:06:53,385 --> 01:06:54,594 But I've been praying on it. 1358 01:06:55,262 --> 01:06:57,264 I've been hoping that you could advance PTL 1359 01:06:57,347 --> 01:06:58,807 just a little bit of credit. 1360 01:07:00,142 --> 01:07:04,062 Just to get the bulldozers moving, you know? 1361 01:07:07,858 --> 01:07:08,900 Hi, honey. 1362 01:07:10,444 --> 01:07:12,779 Uh, this is Roe Messner. 1363 01:07:12,946 --> 01:07:14,823 He's the developer of Heritage USA. 1364 01:07:14,990 --> 01:07:16,533 Well, I'm not the developer yet. 1365 01:07:16,616 --> 01:07:18,034 Yeah. 1366 01:07:18,201 --> 01:07:19,202 Hi. 1367 01:07:24,249 --> 01:07:28,545 The doctors have had her on so many loopy things 1368 01:07:28,962 --> 01:07:31,548 since Jamie Charles was born. 1369 01:07:31,715 --> 01:07:34,926 Pills to make her normal. Pills to make her sleep. 1370 01:07:35,093 --> 01:07:36,678 Um, as long as she's feelin' better. 1371 01:07:38,430 --> 01:07:40,599 Yes. Amen. 1372 01:07:41,975 --> 01:07:44,936 I love what you're trying to do here, Jim. 1373 01:07:45,020 --> 01:07:46,646 JIM: Mm. ROE: I do. 1374 01:07:46,813 --> 01:07:48,982 I spent some summers with my wife 1375 01:07:49,065 --> 01:07:50,317 at Knott's Berry Farm. 1376 01:07:51,610 --> 01:07:54,279 Every year the jellies got less and less fresh. 1377 01:07:54,529 --> 01:07:56,573 - JIM: Mm. - And I'm convinced 1378 01:07:56,740 --> 01:07:59,951 it's 'cause they started hiring the wrong kinds of people 1379 01:08:00,118 --> 01:08:01,119 to make the preserves. 1380 01:08:02,829 --> 01:08:04,539 I knew you were my man, Roe. 1381 01:08:04,623 --> 01:08:06,792 But, uh... 1382 01:08:07,959 --> 01:08:09,586 I'm not a gambler, Mr. Bakker. 1383 01:08:10,587 --> 01:08:13,048 - Oh, well... - Oh, this isn't gambling, Roe. 1384 01:08:14,299 --> 01:08:15,509 Oh, no, it's faith. 1385 01:08:16,968 --> 01:08:19,596 I have seen him perform miracles. 1386 01:08:20,555 --> 01:08:21,556 ROE: Huh. 1387 01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:24,643 I haven't had anyone claim to be a faith healer to my face 1388 01:08:28,814 --> 01:08:31,942 Well, buildings are miracles. 1389 01:08:32,275 --> 01:08:33,276 Aren't they, Roe? 1390 01:08:33,443 --> 01:08:36,696 Well, it's amazing anything ever gets built, that's for sure. 1391 01:08:37,364 --> 01:08:38,865 Yeah. 1392 01:08:39,032 --> 01:08:40,909 This is beautiful. 1393 01:08:41,743 --> 01:08:44,621 We must take a leap of faith for God. 1394 01:08:44,788 --> 01:08:48,208 Especially when the Devil is makin' us doubt. 1395 01:08:48,834 --> 01:08:50,961 God's on our side, Roe. 1396 01:08:52,504 --> 01:08:54,297 Every time we fall, 1397 01:08:55,090 --> 01:08:57,551 God proves His love again 1398 01:08:58,468 --> 01:09:00,846 and we come back. 1399 01:09:00,929 --> 01:09:06,309 We come back bigger, and stronger, and better. 1400 01:09:12,440 --> 01:09:17,612 "All things work for good to them that love God," 1401 01:09:18,822 --> 01:09:25,412 "to them who are called according to His purpose." 1402 01:09:33,420 --> 01:09:36,089 And I called you, Roe. 1403 01:09:49,436 --> 01:09:51,479 -You're welcome. 1404 01:09:55,108 --> 01:09:57,193 You're owed a "thank you"? 1405 01:09:58,570 --> 01:10:01,406 He was nowhere near saying yes until I sat down. 1406 01:10:01,865 --> 01:10:05,118 Oh, yes, to flirt with him. 1407 01:10:09,915 --> 01:10:11,917 Are you gonna divorce me, Jim? 1408 01:10:13,001 --> 01:10:14,002 I don't know. 1409 01:10:16,338 --> 01:10:17,339 I should. 1410 01:10:20,550 --> 01:10:23,053 But God hates divorce. 1411 01:10:23,219 --> 01:10:25,180 It ruined your mother. 1412 01:10:26,181 --> 01:10:27,182 It'll do the same to you. 1413 01:10:27,849 --> 01:10:29,976 You stopped paying attention to me, Jim. 1414 01:10:30,060 --> 01:10:32,896 You broke faith with me, Tammy! 1415 01:10:33,063 --> 01:10:37,859 Gary, he told me that I was beautiful and that I was talented. 1416 01:10:37,943 --> 01:10:39,319 - And he wanted me, Jim. - 1417 01:10:39,402 --> 01:10:40,528 Don't touch me! 1418 01:10:40,612 --> 01:10:44,240 Gary wanted me, Jim, in ways that you don't. 1419 01:10:44,407 --> 01:10:45,909 JIM: Oh, my goodness. 1420 01:10:46,201 --> 01:10:48,078 He was my friend. 1421 01:10:48,328 --> 01:10:50,914 You know, I got a letter this week, Tammy. 1422 01:10:51,081 --> 01:10:52,415 From the President. 1423 01:10:52,999 --> 01:10:55,251 The President of the United States, 1424 01:10:55,418 --> 01:10:57,879 Ronald Reagan himself, wrote me a personal letter 1425 01:10:58,046 --> 01:11:02,008 thanking me for my support in his election! 1426 01:11:02,884 --> 01:11:05,553 I'm an important man, Tammy Faye! 1427 01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:09,516 And people don't treat important men the way that you treated me. 1428 01:11:10,684 --> 01:11:11,977 - 1429 01:11:12,060 --> 01:11:13,436 I'm gonna clear my head, I'm gonna pray. 1430 01:11:15,438 --> 01:11:16,982 I'm gonna think about what I want. 1431 01:11:22,904 --> 01:11:24,406 Jim? 1432 01:11:47,095 --> 01:11:50,807 Oh, God. How can I fix this? 1433 01:11:53,977 --> 01:11:55,812 God? 1434 01:11:58,106 --> 01:11:59,399 Where'd you go? 1435 01:12:00,567 --> 01:12:02,027 Where are you? 1436 01:12:03,278 --> 01:12:05,155 Why can't I feel you? 1437 01:12:08,033 --> 01:12:09,409 Where are you? 1438 01:12:17,042 --> 01:12:18,543 Where are you? 1439 01:12:18,710 --> 01:12:20,712 Tammy? Tammy, it's all right. 1440 01:12:20,879 --> 01:12:23,923 - Jim. - I'm here. I'm here. 1441 01:12:24,174 --> 01:12:26,926 It's all right. Shh. It's all right. 1442 01:12:31,890 --> 01:12:32,891 Um... 1443 01:12:33,850 --> 01:12:35,894 - Tammy, I, um... - 1444 01:12:37,062 --> 01:12:40,565 I prayed on it. And, um... 1445 01:12:41,649 --> 01:12:42,650 What? 1446 01:12:43,109 --> 01:12:45,862 You know, maybe I've been a better builder 1447 01:12:45,945 --> 01:12:47,697 than I've been a husband. 1448 01:12:50,533 --> 01:12:52,327 - Yeah. - Yes. 1449 01:12:52,494 --> 01:12:54,954 But I know for certain 1450 01:12:55,705 --> 01:12:59,084 that you are the only woman on Earth 1451 01:13:02,295 --> 01:13:05,006 -Oh, honey. 1452 01:13:05,715 --> 01:13:07,801 It makes me so happy that you're saying that. 1453 01:13:08,009 --> 01:13:10,804 Tammy. - Baby. 1454 01:13:11,137 --> 01:13:13,723 -I'm sorry. 1455 01:13:14,724 --> 01:13:18,394 -Oh... 1456 01:13:19,729 --> 01:13:21,648 You really hurt me. 1457 01:13:22,315 --> 01:13:23,817 I know, Jim. 1458 01:13:25,443 --> 01:13:27,278 And I think you have to apologize. 1459 01:13:27,737 --> 01:13:31,032 I'm sorry. Oh, I am so sorry, Jim. 1460 01:13:31,616 --> 01:13:33,034 To the partners. 1461 01:13:34,202 --> 01:13:37,163 - Mm? - On air. 1462 01:13:39,165 --> 01:13:40,208 Today. 1463 01:13:43,336 --> 01:13:44,379 Oh. 1464 01:13:45,630 --> 01:13:50,802 I learned the best lesson in my whole life 1465 01:13:50,969 --> 01:13:54,097 because of something terrible that I did 1466 01:13:54,264 --> 01:13:56,015 that I cannot take back. 1467 01:13:57,475 --> 01:14:00,186 I learned how much I love my husband, 1468 01:14:00,353 --> 01:14:02,897 how much I care for my husband. 1469 01:14:04,065 --> 01:14:06,151 And I learned a lesson of loneliness 1470 01:14:06,317 --> 01:14:08,653 such as I never experienced in my whole life. 1471 01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:15,076 All of a sudden, I realized 1472 01:14:15,285 --> 01:14:18,288 that there was a lot more to marriage... 1473 01:14:20,957 --> 01:14:22,458 - 1474 01:14:22,542 --> 01:14:24,627 - WOMAN: We're with you, Tammy! - 1475 01:14:25,128 --> 01:14:27,088 WOMAN 2: PTL. MAN: PTL. 1476 01:14:27,255 --> 01:14:30,216 - How can I help you? - WOMAN 3: Ah. Bless you. 1477 01:14:35,722 --> 01:14:38,933 JIM: Because of our satellite, from this moment on, 1478 01:14:39,100 --> 01:14:44,272 the PTL Television Network plans to broadcast 24 hours a day 1479 01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:46,774 till the second coming of Christ. 1480 01:14:46,941 --> 01:14:50,570 Jesus keeps on takin' me higher and higher 1481 01:14:50,737 --> 01:14:53,740 SINGERS: Higher and higher Higher and higher 1482 01:14:54,282 --> 01:14:57,869 Jesus keeps on takin' me higher and higher 1483 01:14:58,036 --> 01:15:01,623 SINGERS: Higher and higher Higher and higher 1484 01:15:01,998 --> 01:15:03,333 - Hi, everybody! - 1485 01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:06,794 God has a fixed law of giving. 1486 01:15:06,961 --> 01:15:08,296 He gives me a shove Yeah 1487 01:15:08,379 --> 01:15:09,464 JIM: If you're not giving, 1488 01:15:09,631 --> 01:15:13,468 you cannot expect to have abundancy coming back to you. 1489 01:15:13,551 --> 01:15:15,220 -If you aren't giving, 1490 01:15:15,303 --> 01:15:17,513 you're gonna have a harvest of misery! 1491 01:15:17,597 --> 01:15:19,015 -You're gonna have 1492 01:15:19,098 --> 01:15:20,308 - a harvest of pain! - PTL. 1493 01:15:20,391 --> 01:15:23,102 You're gonna have a harvest of sickness! 1494 01:15:23,269 --> 01:15:24,395 If you can't go to Jerusalem, 1495 01:15:24,562 --> 01:15:26,898 you could come to Heritage and you could go to the Upper Room. 1496 01:15:27,065 --> 01:15:29,442 Exactly what you could see in Jerusalem. 1497 01:15:29,609 --> 01:15:31,402 Except you don't have to get on a plane. 1498 01:15:31,569 --> 01:15:33,029 You know, if everyone watching 1499 01:15:33,112 --> 01:15:35,448 could double their pledge just for one month... 1500 01:15:35,615 --> 01:15:38,409 If you haven't sent your pledge for $15 a month, 1501 01:15:38,576 --> 01:15:42,372 do it now and I want to send you Susie Moppet puppets. 1502 01:15:42,538 --> 01:15:45,583 God becomes your source when you give 1503 01:15:46,125 --> 01:15:48,753 and you sow in his kingdom. 1504 01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:50,004 It works. 1505 01:15:50,171 --> 01:15:52,382 SINGERS: Higher, higher, higher 1506 01:15:53,383 --> 01:15:54,384 Whoo 1507 01:15:55,343 --> 01:15:56,970 Wow 1508 01:15:57,303 --> 01:15:58,304 Whoo 1509 01:15:58,429 --> 01:16:01,933 The PTL TV network is carrying out a master plan 1510 01:16:02,100 --> 01:16:03,726 opening centers all across the country 1511 01:16:03,893 --> 01:16:06,521 to provide food, clothing, furniture, and job bank centers. 1512 01:16:06,604 --> 01:16:09,649 TAMMY: Jesus keeps on leadin' me higher and higher 1513 01:16:14,529 --> 01:16:17,532 SINGERS: Higher, higher Higher, higher 1514 01:16:17,699 --> 01:16:18,741 - Hi, everybody. - 1515 01:16:18,992 --> 01:16:21,953 SINGERS: Higher, higher Higher, higher 1516 01:16:22,662 --> 01:16:25,206 Higher, higher Whoo 1517 01:16:25,373 --> 01:16:28,251 Higher, higher, higher Whoo 1518 01:16:28,334 --> 01:16:30,753 Jesus keeps on leadin' me higher and higher 1519 01:16:30,837 --> 01:16:31,838 JIM: I've seen the rich 1520 01:16:32,130 --> 01:16:34,090 and I've seen people with little 1521 01:16:34,257 --> 01:16:36,175 who are more blessed 1522 01:16:36,342 --> 01:16:39,470 than the millionaires that I've known who are worried sick 1523 01:16:39,595 --> 01:16:41,389 'cause the stock market doesn't know what it's doing! 1524 01:16:41,472 --> 01:16:42,890 It's going up, it's going down! 1525 01:16:43,057 --> 01:16:45,768 But people who have sown seed in the word of God, 1526 01:16:45,935 --> 01:16:47,895 their stock is always up! 1527 01:16:48,062 --> 01:16:50,815 Higher and higher 1528 01:16:50,898 --> 01:16:52,483 - 1529 01:16:57,113 --> 01:16:58,656 JIM: That's why we chose this plot. 1530 01:16:58,823 --> 01:16:59,991 And with the help of your investment, 1531 01:17:00,074 --> 01:17:02,618 we could build a shopping complex around the hotel 1532 01:17:02,785 --> 01:17:04,871 and then we're going to have a trolley. 1533 01:17:04,954 --> 01:17:05,955 JERRY: Mm. 1534 01:17:06,039 --> 01:17:08,333 It's gonna wrap around the whole place, 1535 01:17:08,499 --> 01:17:12,211 making stops at everywhere there at Heritage Island, the Heritage Grand, 1536 01:17:12,295 --> 01:17:17,550 and then here at what is going to be our coliseum. 1537 01:17:17,717 --> 01:17:18,926 We're gonna have a coliseum. 1538 01:17:19,010 --> 01:17:20,720 - JERRY: Coliseum. - Yes. 1539 01:17:20,803 --> 01:17:23,348 You planning on sacrificing Christians? 1540 01:17:24,140 --> 01:17:26,851 Oh, no. No. 1541 01:17:27,143 --> 01:17:30,813 Oh, Jerry, no. We rise again in our coliseum. 1542 01:17:30,980 --> 01:17:33,566 This is, uh, gonna be Christian rock concerts. 1543 01:17:33,733 --> 01:17:35,318 Something for the kids. 1544 01:17:35,485 --> 01:17:39,280 I really wish you wouldn't encourage these blasphemers. 1545 01:17:42,450 --> 01:17:45,286 - Isn't it beautiful? - It really is. Mm-hmm. 1546 01:17:46,037 --> 01:17:48,206 The trees, the oxygen is... 1547 01:17:48,373 --> 01:17:50,291 Are you cold? 1548 01:17:50,458 --> 01:17:52,377 Are you... 1549 01:17:52,543 --> 01:17:55,046 Of course you're not cold. 1550 01:17:55,129 --> 01:17:57,882 - Sorry. - Oh, I'm super. 1551 01:18:03,805 --> 01:18:04,931 JIM: So, what do you think, Reverend? 1552 01:18:05,014 --> 01:18:07,767 We would be tickled pink to have your support. 1553 01:18:07,934 --> 01:18:09,060 -Yes? 1554 01:18:09,143 --> 01:18:11,312 JERRY: The coalition that we delivered to Reagan, 1555 01:18:11,479 --> 01:18:13,481 Vice President Bush 1556 01:18:13,648 --> 01:18:16,609 well, he's counting on us doing the same thing for him in '88. 1557 01:18:17,235 --> 01:18:18,236 Um... 1558 01:18:19,612 --> 01:18:22,240 You know that Pat called me 1559 01:18:22,407 --> 01:18:26,035 and he told me that he's thinking about making a bid for President. 1560 01:18:26,202 --> 01:18:28,287 Pat Robertson's a good man. 1561 01:18:28,454 --> 01:18:30,957 But if he runs, he'll peel away vital Republican votes. 1562 01:18:32,291 --> 01:18:33,918 We're in a fight here, Jim. 1563 01:18:34,585 --> 01:18:38,798 This gay cancer is affecting our country, our families. 1564 01:18:39,173 --> 01:18:41,300 Republicans can't win without us. 1565 01:18:42,844 --> 01:18:45,012 You need to understand how powerful we are 1566 01:18:45,096 --> 01:18:47,557 in this fight for our nation's soul. 1567 01:18:48,015 --> 01:18:49,308 JIM: Mm. 1568 01:18:49,642 --> 01:18:52,437 We should just stay out of it and keep politics out of the church. 1569 01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:53,688 Too much on the line. 1570 01:18:55,565 --> 01:19:00,736 Democrats are already trying to strip away our churches' tax exempt status. 1571 01:19:02,905 --> 01:19:06,617 Oh, this time, we'll keep the evangelicals in the tent. 1572 01:19:08,494 --> 01:19:09,912 When's lunch? 1573 01:19:10,079 --> 01:19:11,247 TAMMY: Well, hello, everyone, 1574 01:19:11,330 --> 01:19:13,124 it's just so nice to have you here with us. 1575 01:19:13,291 --> 01:19:17,170 We have an experience today that really is touching to me. 1576 01:19:17,253 --> 01:19:19,672 Right here on my right, I have a young man named Steve Pieters, 1577 01:19:19,755 --> 01:19:21,799 and I'd like to introduce you to Steve. 1578 01:19:21,966 --> 01:19:24,594 Steve is a patient of AIDS 1579 01:19:24,677 --> 01:19:28,222 and he's so generously allowed us to talk to him today. 1580 01:19:28,431 --> 01:19:31,434 He is presently taking chemotherapy and is unable to travel. 1581 01:19:31,517 --> 01:19:35,480 So, we have a satellite hookup live from LA. 1582 01:19:35,646 --> 01:19:38,316 -Hi, Tammy. 1583 01:19:38,399 --> 01:19:40,359 We're so glad to see you. 1584 01:19:41,110 --> 01:19:42,737 I'm so happy I could be here. 1585 01:19:42,904 --> 01:19:45,281 Okay, Steve. At what time in your life 1586 01:19:45,364 --> 01:19:47,867 did you feel like you were different? 1587 01:19:47,950 --> 01:19:51,120 Did you feel like maybe you weren't like some of the other guys? 1588 01:19:51,287 --> 01:19:54,749 I realized I was gay when I was about 11 or 12. 1589 01:19:55,791 --> 01:19:59,170 I talked with a pastor in the church where I grew up 1590 01:19:59,253 --> 01:20:01,506 and, um, he was freaked out. 1591 01:20:01,589 --> 01:20:02,632 Mm. 1592 01:20:02,715 --> 01:20:06,385 He told me, "Don't tell anybody." 1593 01:20:06,552 --> 01:20:09,972 Never tell anybody anything about it 1594 01:20:10,139 --> 01:20:11,182 and it will go away, 1595 01:20:12,225 --> 01:20:14,810 but it didn't go away. 1596 01:20:14,894 --> 01:20:15,937 Okay, I have another question. 1597 01:20:16,020 --> 01:20:17,688 JERRY: So, the satellite is directly above us? 1598 01:20:17,772 --> 01:20:19,649 JIM: Yes, it orbits us. 1599 01:20:19,815 --> 01:20:23,402 That's how we're able to reach so many folks just simultaneously. 1600 01:20:23,569 --> 01:20:25,363 Let me ask you, Jerry, what's your viewership 1601 01:20:25,446 --> 01:20:26,948 over at Liberty Broadcasting? 1602 01:20:27,114 --> 01:20:31,035 Oh, well, I'm proud to say that we reach three million viewers a day. 1603 01:20:31,118 --> 01:20:35,331 My goodness. Praise God. That's just wonderful. 1604 01:20:36,707 --> 01:20:38,000 And you? 1605 01:20:38,167 --> 01:20:41,504 Well, we here at PTL, we reach 20 million viewers a day 1606 01:20:42,129 --> 01:20:46,050 in 56 countries just because of that miracle 1607 01:20:46,133 --> 01:20:48,010 - up there in the sky. - 1608 01:20:48,094 --> 01:20:50,221 Oh, let's see who Tammy's talking to. 1609 01:20:50,304 --> 01:20:51,430 TAMMY: And, Steve, because of this feeling, 1610 01:20:51,514 --> 01:20:52,640 did you try to make friends with girls? 1611 01:20:52,723 --> 01:20:55,309 And did you try to be around girls and everything 1612 01:20:55,476 --> 01:20:56,644 so no one would think anything? 1613 01:20:56,811 --> 01:20:58,646 Oh, sure, I dated girls. 1614 01:20:58,813 --> 01:21:02,066 I tried to "program" myself to be straight 1615 01:21:02,692 --> 01:21:04,485 and it never worked. 1616 01:21:04,569 --> 01:21:06,070 TAMMY: So, what made you feel... 1617 01:21:06,153 --> 01:21:07,572 And what's this, Jim? 1618 01:21:07,655 --> 01:21:09,156 TAMMY: ...like there was no way for you to be straight? 1619 01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:10,741 I don't know. 1620 01:21:10,908 --> 01:21:13,035 - This is not... - It was from meeting 1621 01:21:13,119 --> 01:21:16,706 other gay people who were happy with the way they were 1622 01:21:16,872 --> 01:21:19,709 that made me realize I could be happy with the way I am. 1623 01:21:19,875 --> 01:21:21,836 - Now, I find this problematic. - 1624 01:21:21,919 --> 01:21:23,713 Yes. Well, you know Tammy, 1625 01:21:23,796 --> 01:21:25,923 she... she connects in her own way and... 1626 01:21:26,090 --> 01:21:28,426 Okay, Steve. What did you feel 1627 01:21:28,593 --> 01:21:32,305 when you first heard the word AIDS? 1628 01:21:32,471 --> 01:21:34,181 Was it just a word to you, Steve? 1629 01:21:34,390 --> 01:21:38,144 Well, yes. Why would it hurt me? I was a good Christian pastor. 1630 01:21:38,311 --> 01:21:40,146 I... I can't look at this. 1631 01:21:40,229 --> 01:21:41,606 JIM: No. 1632 01:21:41,689 --> 01:21:43,691 She must have programmed it last minute or... 1633 01:21:43,774 --> 01:21:44,859 You need to get her under control. 1634 01:21:44,942 --> 01:21:46,652 No, no. Let me help. 1635 01:21:47,528 --> 01:21:50,531 Believe you me, I will be having words with her. 1636 01:21:50,615 --> 01:21:51,616 - She's been acting very... - Jim. 1637 01:21:51,699 --> 01:21:52,700 Yes? 1638 01:21:52,783 --> 01:21:54,201 We have our differences. 1639 01:21:55,703 --> 01:21:58,205 People forget sometimes a pastor needs a pastor. 1640 01:21:58,664 --> 01:22:00,041 As Jesus says in Mark 5... 1641 01:22:00,916 --> 01:22:02,335 Reach out. 1642 01:22:02,501 --> 01:22:03,586 Yes. 1643 01:22:05,254 --> 01:22:06,714 What happened when you told your mom and dad 1644 01:22:06,797 --> 01:22:07,923 that you were feeling this way? 1645 01:22:08,007 --> 01:22:10,760 - Well, my mother cried. - Uh-huh. 1646 01:22:10,926 --> 01:22:13,512 And my father held my hand 1647 01:22:13,679 --> 01:22:16,599 and told me that I was his son, no matter what. 1648 01:22:16,974 --> 01:22:19,060 Ah, thank God. 1649 01:22:19,268 --> 01:22:22,480 You know, thank God for a mom and dad 1650 01:22:22,563 --> 01:22:24,940 who will stand with a young person. 1651 01:22:25,107 --> 01:22:26,359 I think that's so important 1652 01:22:26,442 --> 01:22:29,362 because no matter what happens to a young person in their lives, 1653 01:22:29,445 --> 01:22:32,156 they're still your boy, they're still your girl 1654 01:22:32,323 --> 01:22:33,449 no matter what happens in their life. 1655 01:22:33,532 --> 01:22:35,076 And I think it's very important 1656 01:22:35,242 --> 01:22:38,454 that we as mom and dads love through anything. 1657 01:22:38,621 --> 01:22:40,539 And that's the way with Jesus, you know? 1658 01:22:40,706 --> 01:22:42,833 Jesus loves us through anything. 1659 01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:44,960 Jesus loves me just the way I am. 1660 01:22:45,127 --> 01:22:47,797 Jesus loves the way that I love. 1661 01:22:48,589 --> 01:22:50,758 And have you found it to be true 1662 01:22:50,925 --> 01:22:52,343 that people wanna stay away 1663 01:22:52,510 --> 01:22:55,471 and that they're afraid to be in the same room as you 1664 01:22:55,680 --> 01:22:57,640 and breathe the same air that you breathe? 1665 01:22:58,516 --> 01:22:59,517 Yes, Tammy. 1666 01:23:00,393 --> 01:23:02,728 And how sad is that? 1667 01:23:03,270 --> 01:23:05,189 That we as Christians 1668 01:23:05,648 --> 01:23:08,567 who are supposed to love everyone 1669 01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:12,822 are afraid so badly of an AIDS patient 1670 01:23:13,698 --> 01:23:15,658 that we will not go up to them 1671 01:23:15,825 --> 01:23:17,910 and put our arm around them 1672 01:23:18,077 --> 01:23:20,621 and tell them that we care? 1673 01:23:26,919 --> 01:23:28,921 This is an emotional interview for me. 1674 01:23:29,004 --> 01:23:30,047 I just met Steve 1675 01:23:30,131 --> 01:23:32,675 and it's like meeting him in person for the first time. 1676 01:23:32,842 --> 01:23:34,260 I wanna put my arm around you. 1677 01:23:34,427 --> 01:23:36,262 And I wanna put my arms around you, Tammy Faye. 1678 01:23:39,056 --> 01:23:41,475 - 1679 01:23:42,059 --> 01:23:43,853 WOMAN: PTL. MAN: PTL. 1680 01:23:45,354 --> 01:23:46,689 WOMAN: That's very good. Yes. 1681 01:23:48,649 --> 01:23:50,192 Every time she calls, she screams, 1682 01:23:50,276 --> 01:23:51,694 "Jim and his buddy had sex on me." 1683 01:23:51,777 --> 01:23:53,154 - FLETCHER: Okay. Shh. - "Now, I'm gonna kill myself." 1684 01:23:53,237 --> 01:23:55,573 "Jim Bakker'll have my gosh darn blood on his hands." 1685 01:23:55,656 --> 01:23:56,657 FLETCHER: Now... 1686 01:23:56,741 --> 01:23:57,867 WOMAN 2: Never heard so many curse words. 1687 01:23:57,950 --> 01:23:58,993 Not even from my brother Pete. 1688 01:23:59,076 --> 01:24:00,077 FLETCHER: Right. 1689 01:24:00,161 --> 01:24:01,704 - Did a caller upset you, dear? - FLETCHER: Tammy... 1690 01:24:01,787 --> 01:24:02,788 Yes. 1691 01:24:02,872 --> 01:24:04,999 Oh, I'm so sorry. You know, when we do shows like this, 1692 01:24:05,082 --> 01:24:08,169 really, we're challenging Christians to open their hearts. 1693 01:24:08,335 --> 01:24:10,629 - And some don't take it that well. - Tammy, I will handle this. 1694 01:24:10,713 --> 01:24:12,131 Oh, no, I have this, Richard. 1695 01:24:12,214 --> 01:24:14,633 It wasn't about the AIDS man. It was about Jim. 1696 01:24:15,176 --> 01:24:17,678 She's called before. We all call her "The Shrieker." 1697 01:24:17,803 --> 01:24:19,930 She says Jim and his buddy had sex on her. 1698 01:24:20,014 --> 01:24:21,557 Tammy, you're needed on stage four. 1699 01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:24,268 Gosh, we've been having these pranks for a long time. 1700 01:24:24,351 --> 01:24:26,645 And some people, they're just hurting so bad 1701 01:24:26,812 --> 01:24:29,148 and we just need to love them. 1702 01:24:29,315 --> 01:24:31,984 Anyway, Jim doesn't have that in him. Believe me. 1703 01:24:33,277 --> 01:24:35,446 I know him better than anyone. 1704 01:24:58,344 --> 01:24:59,887 Join the PTL Club, 1705 01:24:59,970 --> 01:25:02,264 and Tammy wants to send you a copy of her book 1706 01:25:02,807 --> 01:25:06,060 about how to overcome fear. 1707 01:25:06,685 --> 01:25:09,396 If you haven't sent in your pledge 1708 01:25:09,939 --> 01:25:12,149 $15, that is all, $15 a month, 1709 01:25:12,233 --> 01:25:14,026 it'll change your life 1710 01:25:15,069 --> 01:25:17,071 and, uh, we could all use a little bit of that. 1711 01:25:17,530 --> 01:25:19,949 So, Tammy, I think you oughta sing a song for us. 1712 01:25:20,115 --> 01:25:22,701 Oh, I'm back here looking at the boat, Jim. 1713 01:25:22,868 --> 01:25:24,078 Isn't this a magnificent thing? 1714 01:25:24,161 --> 01:25:25,162 JIM: Yes. 1715 01:25:25,496 --> 01:25:26,580 Right here in our beach. 1716 01:25:26,747 --> 01:25:28,374 JIM: Looks brand new, I bet. 1717 01:25:29,250 --> 01:25:30,251 One of the local boat companies 1718 01:25:30,334 --> 01:25:31,961 - loaned it to us, I bet. - I'm gonna take my shoes off. 1719 01:25:32,044 --> 01:25:33,963 I'm gonna wade in the water. 1720 01:25:35,047 --> 01:25:37,716 JIM: I don't think that boat's ever seen water. 1721 01:25:38,300 --> 01:25:40,177 Oh, it's fake. That's... 1722 01:25:41,387 --> 01:25:42,596 That's why. 1723 01:25:44,723 --> 01:25:46,433 "That's why" what, Tam? 1724 01:25:48,686 --> 01:25:50,312 TAMMY: That's why I can't hear Him. 1725 01:25:50,396 --> 01:25:51,438 JIM: Oh. 1726 01:25:52,773 --> 01:25:55,109 How can I hear Him when the sky is fake? 1727 01:25:56,235 --> 01:25:57,653 JIM: You want to stand up, honey? 1728 01:25:57,736 --> 01:25:59,238 We're trying to do a TV show here, baby. 1729 01:25:59,321 --> 01:26:00,531 You wanna come give me some help? 1730 01:26:01,699 --> 01:26:03,117 No? Well... 1731 01:26:06,871 --> 01:26:09,790 I guess it's a good time as any to work on the tan. 1732 01:26:12,459 --> 01:26:15,421 Well, if Tammy's not going to sing, I guess I am. 1733 01:26:15,504 --> 01:26:16,505 Oh, we're blest 1734 01:26:16,589 --> 01:26:17,756 We're blest, we're blest 1735 01:26:20,509 --> 01:26:21,927 JIM: We just got her home. 1736 01:26:22,303 --> 01:26:24,221 She's doing okay, she's fine. 1737 01:26:24,388 --> 01:26:28,434 No, yeah. We'll be taking her to the Betty Ford Center in the morning. 1738 01:26:28,601 --> 01:26:32,438 She just needs to rest. No shows for a while. 1739 01:26:32,938 --> 01:26:35,357 What's happening with the other thing? 1740 01:26:37,067 --> 01:26:40,529 Can I just say I love you so much? 1741 01:26:40,863 --> 01:26:42,781 -I love you. 1742 01:26:42,948 --> 01:26:46,994 My friends are gonna be so excited when I tell them that I met you. 1743 01:26:54,001 --> 01:26:55,085 RACHEL: Tammy? 1744 01:26:55,669 --> 01:26:58,422 You had enough drugs in your system to kill a truck driver. 1745 01:26:59,465 --> 01:27:00,466 I did? 1746 01:27:00,633 --> 01:27:02,468 The doctor told us if you'd waited a day longer, 1747 01:27:02,635 --> 01:27:04,345 you would have had brain damage. 1748 01:27:04,553 --> 01:27:06,263 You could have died. 1749 01:27:06,972 --> 01:27:08,766 You can't take all those pills, honey. 1750 01:27:08,849 --> 01:27:09,850 They're addictive. 1751 01:27:09,934 --> 01:27:11,936 I didn't know that. I'll stop. 1752 01:27:12,102 --> 01:27:14,146 The doctors didn't tell me that. 1753 01:27:14,313 --> 01:27:16,315 I'm not a drug addict. 1754 01:27:17,483 --> 01:27:19,318 I'm only addicted to Diet Coke. 1755 01:27:20,361 --> 01:27:22,696 You have to stay right here. 1756 01:27:24,239 --> 01:27:25,658 God doesn't want you yet. 1757 01:27:26,700 --> 01:27:28,619 I have always prayed to Him 1758 01:27:28,786 --> 01:27:32,331 that He would allow you to save the souls that I wasn't able to. 1759 01:27:33,749 --> 01:27:35,376 And He has. 1760 01:27:36,126 --> 01:27:37,127 You do. 1761 01:27:38,420 --> 01:27:41,799 So, you have to stay right here. 1762 01:27:43,634 --> 01:27:44,760 Okay? 1763 01:27:45,844 --> 01:27:47,554 Okay, Mom. 1764 01:28:24,258 --> 01:28:25,259 JIM: Tammy. 1765 01:28:25,926 --> 01:28:28,053 Oh. Hi, Jim. 1766 01:28:30,639 --> 01:28:33,475 The Devil's coming for me, Tammy. 1767 01:28:34,351 --> 01:28:37,271 Can we talk about Satan later? 1768 01:28:37,438 --> 01:28:39,314 You know, I'm trying to feel like myself again. 1769 01:28:39,481 --> 01:28:41,150 JIM: There was a woman... 1770 01:28:44,737 --> 01:28:46,238 Fletcher set it up 1771 01:28:46,947 --> 01:28:51,994 after you did what you did with Gary. 1772 01:28:52,703 --> 01:28:56,415 I did it to prove something to myself, I think. I... I don't know. 1773 01:28:57,416 --> 01:28:59,043 I hated it. 1774 01:29:01,879 --> 01:29:05,049 I ended up just crying in the bathroom. 1775 01:29:11,847 --> 01:29:13,140 I fell 1776 01:29:14,850 --> 01:29:16,477 a long way. 1777 01:29:18,228 --> 01:29:19,396 I'm so sorry. 1778 01:29:24,318 --> 01:29:26,278 Say something. 1779 01:29:29,823 --> 01:29:31,742 I've been hurting so bad, Jim. 1780 01:29:32,659 --> 01:29:34,119 For years. 1781 01:29:36,455 --> 01:29:39,249 And there's never any release to the pain. 1782 01:29:40,751 --> 01:29:43,420 There's never anything to make it stop hurting. 1783 01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:47,174 And when I get up in the morning, 1784 01:29:48,133 --> 01:29:50,135 I feel like I'm just gonna throw up, 1785 01:29:51,386 --> 01:29:54,139 and throw up, and throw up. 1786 01:29:56,058 --> 01:29:59,728 And I have to self-talk myself, "You can make it, Tammy. 1787 01:29:59,895 --> 01:30:01,688 "You can make it." 1788 01:30:01,772 --> 01:30:03,982 "Don't give up." 1789 01:30:08,570 --> 01:30:10,948 Damn it, Jim! 1790 01:30:12,991 --> 01:30:17,955 I'm so sick from my faith in you! 1791 01:30:20,874 --> 01:30:23,377 Well, I'm sick of you, too. 1792 01:30:25,921 --> 01:30:29,675 You try being married to Tammy Faye. 1793 01:30:29,842 --> 01:30:33,887 All I've been doing is trying to keep our marriage together, 1794 01:30:34,054 --> 01:30:37,266 keep the ministry together, working night and day 1795 01:30:37,432 --> 01:30:40,435 while you're just buying minks 1796 01:30:40,602 --> 01:30:42,855 and drinking soda pop 1797 01:30:43,021 --> 01:30:47,151 and cheating on me with that ape! 1798 01:30:51,321 --> 01:30:53,574 You used to take care of me, Tammy. 1799 01:30:54,074 --> 01:30:55,576 You stopped taking care of me. 1800 01:30:55,742 --> 01:30:58,120 I don't wanna take care of you, Jim. 1801 01:30:58,287 --> 01:31:00,205 I don't wanna be your mother. 1802 01:31:00,706 --> 01:31:03,375 A woman needs a man in a relationship! 1803 01:31:03,584 --> 01:31:05,752 - I am a man! - You're a boy. 1804 01:31:05,919 --> 01:31:07,504 I built all of this. I built you an empire. 1805 01:31:07,671 --> 01:31:09,631 You built you an empire. 1806 01:31:09,798 --> 01:31:12,551 No man could ever give you enough. 1807 01:31:12,718 --> 01:31:15,012 You're a bottomless pit. 1808 01:31:15,637 --> 01:31:17,973 And you keep on asking me for more 1809 01:31:18,140 --> 01:31:23,228 with that whiny, grating Betty Boop voice! 1810 01:31:39,328 --> 01:31:40,954 I thought you liked Betty Boop. 1811 01:31:44,458 --> 01:31:45,751 I'm sorry. 1812 01:31:46,710 --> 01:31:48,921 I'm so sorry, Tammy. 1813 01:31:49,087 --> 01:31:50,422 Me, too, Jim. 1814 01:31:51,298 --> 01:31:52,507 Um... 1815 01:31:55,093 --> 01:31:59,765 There's another thing. The woman... 1816 01:32:00,474 --> 01:32:05,270 I gave her money to stay quiet, but she didn't. 1817 01:32:05,604 --> 01:32:06,605 And, um... 1818 01:32:06,688 --> 01:32:08,941 And the money came from PTL donors. 1819 01:32:09,107 --> 01:32:10,108 Jim. 1820 01:32:10,192 --> 01:32:11,902 And Charles Shepard has the story from The Observer. 1821 01:32:11,985 --> 01:32:13,070 And he's gonna print it tomorrow. 1822 01:32:13,153 --> 01:32:15,405 Oh, my God. 1823 01:32:19,409 --> 01:32:21,995 - JIM: I just... I know... - Jim. Oh, my God. 1824 01:32:24,414 --> 01:32:26,124 I destroyed everything. 1825 01:32:27,751 --> 01:32:29,503 Our life's work, Jim. 1826 01:32:29,670 --> 01:32:30,837 I know. 1827 01:32:31,964 --> 01:32:33,382 Tammy. 1828 01:32:34,758 --> 01:32:37,636 Tam, my sweetheart, 1829 01:32:39,137 --> 01:32:41,473 if anyone falls, it's gonna be me. 1830 01:32:42,432 --> 01:32:45,727 You can let me be the man that I was meant to be for you. 1831 01:32:46,979 --> 01:32:49,106 You don't know anything. 1832 01:32:52,359 --> 01:32:53,610 Oh, they're here. 1833 01:32:53,777 --> 01:32:54,820 Who's that? 1834 01:32:54,987 --> 01:32:56,530 It's all right. 1835 01:32:58,031 --> 01:32:59,992 These are the men that are gonna help me fix this. 1836 01:33:00,534 --> 01:33:01,994 Oh, no, Jim. 1837 01:33:02,160 --> 01:33:04,746 - No, no. - Reverend. Thank you so much. 1838 01:33:04,830 --> 01:33:06,123 - Thank you so much for coming. - JERRY: Jim. 1839 01:33:06,623 --> 01:33:09,001 Oh, it's love that carried me here today. 1840 01:33:09,209 --> 01:33:11,253 God bless you. JERRY: Tammy Faye. 1841 01:33:11,753 --> 01:33:12,921 Jerry. 1842 01:33:13,088 --> 01:33:15,048 JIM: Come in, please. Please come in. Welcome. 1843 01:33:15,132 --> 01:33:16,883 Thank you. Thank you for coming, fellas. 1844 01:33:17,050 --> 01:33:18,218 All right. 1845 01:33:18,969 --> 01:33:20,637 Well, here we are. 1846 01:33:20,804 --> 01:33:23,932 JERRY: We think it's best that we create a distance 1847 01:33:24,016 --> 01:33:26,018 between you and the ministry. 1848 01:33:26,184 --> 01:33:27,561 It'll only be for a couple of weeks. 1849 01:33:28,186 --> 01:33:31,023 Then, gradually, we'll bring you back on the network 1850 01:33:31,732 --> 01:33:33,734 after all this unpleasantness settles down. 1851 01:33:33,900 --> 01:33:37,070 Jerry, you're a Baptist. You know, you're not a charismatic. 1852 01:33:37,237 --> 01:33:38,947 And our audience won't like that. 1853 01:33:39,114 --> 01:33:40,532 - Right, Jim? - Audience? 1854 01:33:41,533 --> 01:33:43,118 I thought they were parishioners. 1855 01:33:43,285 --> 01:33:44,786 They are. 1856 01:33:44,953 --> 01:33:47,164 They're our partners. We call them partners. 1857 01:33:47,247 --> 01:33:48,457 JERRY: Mm. 1858 01:33:48,540 --> 01:33:50,292 20 million souls a day 1859 01:33:50,417 --> 01:33:53,628 touched by The Word. Thanks to PTL. 1860 01:33:53,795 --> 01:33:54,921 JIM AND TAMMY: Mm. 1861 01:33:55,047 --> 01:33:56,798 JERRY: You go back there right away, and... 1862 01:33:58,300 --> 01:33:59,718 Well, bless your hearts. 1863 01:33:59,801 --> 01:34:02,637 Look at the two of you right now, so very pitiful. 1864 01:34:03,764 --> 01:34:06,183 They see you, and they'll change the channel. 1865 01:34:08,018 --> 01:34:09,019 Jim, 1866 01:34:09,561 --> 01:34:11,772 all those souls you won 1867 01:34:13,065 --> 01:34:14,983 for Jesus... 1868 01:34:16,610 --> 01:34:18,195 I'm here for you. 1869 01:34:18,820 --> 01:34:20,989 JIM: Thank you, Reverend. JERRY: Mm. 1870 01:34:24,701 --> 01:34:27,079 Just make sure you take care of our partners. 1871 01:34:28,497 --> 01:34:30,457 That is the only thing that matters now. 1872 01:34:40,842 --> 01:34:42,803 ANNOUNCER: You're watching PTL, 1873 01:34:42,886 --> 01:34:44,846 The Inspirational Network. 1874 01:34:47,766 --> 01:34:49,726 Tammy and I are so very glad 1875 01:34:49,893 --> 01:34:54,398 that we've been granted the opportunity to talk with you today, 1876 01:34:54,564 --> 01:34:55,982 and, um... 1877 01:34:56,149 --> 01:34:57,567 Say hello. 1878 01:34:57,734 --> 01:34:59,277 Hello, everybody. 1879 01:34:59,778 --> 01:35:01,029 And 1880 01:35:01,780 --> 01:35:03,949 we want to say to you 1881 01:35:04,116 --> 01:35:09,121 that we are so very, very sorry. 1882 01:35:09,287 --> 01:35:12,499 And to thank the people who are standing with us all over, 1883 01:35:12,666 --> 01:35:15,293 saying, "Jim, we do forgive you." 1884 01:35:15,460 --> 01:35:19,131 "We forgive Jim and Tammy of all of their sins." 1885 01:35:19,297 --> 01:35:23,135 And we're so thankful that God has forgiven us. 1886 01:35:23,301 --> 01:35:27,764 We don't know what the future holds, but I believe, Tammy. 1887 01:35:27,931 --> 01:35:30,100 'Cause the God I know is still God. 1888 01:35:30,267 --> 01:35:33,061 I believe that the sun will shine again. 1889 01:35:33,228 --> 01:35:34,563 Oh, I do, too, Jim. 1890 01:35:34,729 --> 01:35:36,690 Do you wanna sing it? Can you do it? 1891 01:35:36,857 --> 01:35:38,567 - I sure will. - All right. 1892 01:35:38,733 --> 01:35:42,070 All right, Tammy Faye is going to sing a song for us. 1893 01:35:43,989 --> 01:35:47,117 TAMMY: Well, maybe you're hurting, and you need this song today, too. 1894 01:35:47,284 --> 01:35:50,704 So I'll sing it for both of us, okay? 1895 01:35:50,871 --> 01:35:55,292 The sun will shine again 1896 01:35:56,084 --> 01:36:02,299 Now, if you are facing a mountain so high 1897 01:36:02,466 --> 01:36:08,555 That just won't move away 1898 01:36:09,723 --> 01:36:13,268 JERRY: We've heard about your sinful behavior. 1899 01:36:13,727 --> 01:36:18,023 If you tell us what we need to know about Jim Bakker, 1900 01:36:19,024 --> 01:36:20,484 we can protect you. 1901 01:36:21,193 --> 01:36:24,654 Oh-ho, listen, my brother 1902 01:36:24,821 --> 01:36:27,699 We don't want them destitute. 1903 01:36:27,866 --> 01:36:29,868 They're children of God. 1904 01:36:30,535 --> 01:36:31,828 We want to make sure 1905 01:36:31,912 --> 01:36:35,582 we don't leave them stranded in the desert. 1906 01:36:44,090 --> 01:36:46,384 Write it down, what you make, 1907 01:36:46,468 --> 01:36:48,762 what you need, every little thing. 1908 01:36:48,929 --> 01:36:54,142 While you're in your time of healing, he wants you to be safe and provided for. 1909 01:36:54,309 --> 01:36:56,811 I told him how fragile you are. 1910 01:36:56,978 --> 01:37:00,357 He wants to help. He told me so himself. 1911 01:37:02,192 --> 01:37:04,152 JIM: You wanna start us off, honey? 1912 01:37:06,988 --> 01:37:08,990 - What should I write, Jim? - JIM: Start with everything. 1913 01:37:09,157 --> 01:37:10,784 Start with what you need for clothes. 1914 01:37:10,951 --> 01:37:12,410 What's your salary, Jim? 1915 01:37:12,577 --> 01:37:15,080 JIM: One second. I'll try calling Jerry again. 1916 01:37:15,247 --> 01:37:18,458 He hasn't returned any of my calls. 1917 01:37:18,792 --> 01:37:22,003 The other side whose storm 1918 01:37:22,170 --> 01:37:25,590 Is going to end 1919 01:37:26,675 --> 01:37:30,136 Well, your midnight's almost over 1920 01:37:30,220 --> 01:37:32,597 -"Jim's salary for a lifetime 1921 01:37:32,681 --> 01:37:34,349 "at 300,000 per year. 1922 01:37:34,516 --> 01:37:38,311 "Tammy's salary for a lifetime at 100,000 a year. 1923 01:37:38,478 --> 01:37:40,564 "Secretary for one year. Phone bill." 1924 01:37:40,730 --> 01:37:44,317 "House on the lake. Security. Personal maid." 1925 01:37:47,028 --> 01:37:49,823 I don't see the repentance there. 1926 01:37:51,408 --> 01:37:55,120 I see the greed. I see the self-centeredness. 1927 01:37:55,287 --> 01:37:59,207 I see the avarice that brought them down. 1928 01:37:59,749 --> 01:38:02,544 Jim, I have sat across the table 1929 01:38:02,711 --> 01:38:06,298 from men who have told me about your homosexual advances. 1930 01:38:07,215 --> 01:38:11,970 And since then, I have learned of fiscal irregularities. 1931 01:38:12,137 --> 01:38:14,014 It would be a disservice to God, Jim... 1932 01:38:14,097 --> 01:38:15,473 It's all over. 1933 01:38:15,640 --> 01:38:18,727 ...and to the church at large if I allowed you to come back. 1934 01:38:18,893 --> 01:38:20,937 I've been had. 1935 01:38:21,104 --> 01:38:25,150 How could you have trusted people like that? 1936 01:38:25,942 --> 01:38:29,863 You understand that I can't allow you to stay here. 1937 01:38:30,989 --> 01:38:35,243 Your home, and everything in it, belongs to the ministry. 1938 01:38:36,411 --> 01:38:38,955 Your midnight's almost over. 1939 01:38:39,122 --> 01:38:43,668 And thank God, the sun is going to shine again. 1940 01:38:43,877 --> 01:38:45,962 Praise, praise in the name of the Lord. 1941 01:38:46,129 --> 01:38:48,590 The charges being made against you right now 1942 01:38:48,757 --> 01:38:52,677 are, in effect, that you stole PTL blind. 1943 01:38:52,844 --> 01:38:55,639 While PTL was suffering through months after months 1944 01:38:55,805 --> 01:38:58,224 of $2 million negative balances, 1945 01:38:58,391 --> 01:39:00,143 you were paying yourself bonuses, 1946 01:39:00,226 --> 01:39:01,895 - you were paying Tammy Faye bonuses. - No. 1947 01:39:01,978 --> 01:39:04,898 I don't know if you ever have a positive balance in a ministry, Jim. 1948 01:39:05,065 --> 01:39:06,983 I've never known anyone to have a positive one. 1949 01:39:07,150 --> 01:39:09,903 We're... We're always playing catch-up. 1950 01:39:10,070 --> 01:39:11,321 NEWSCASTER 1: Jim Bakker went on trial 1951 01:39:11,446 --> 01:39:13,031 on charges of fraud today. 1952 01:39:13,114 --> 01:39:14,449 The prosecution called Bakker, 1953 01:39:14,532 --> 01:39:15,533 "A man corrupted by love of money and luxury." 1954 01:39:15,659 --> 01:39:16,743 The founder of the now-bankrupt PTL ministry 1955 01:39:16,826 --> 01:39:17,827 swindled followers 1956 01:39:17,994 --> 01:39:20,330 out of millions of dollars to support a lavish lifestyle. 1957 01:39:20,413 --> 01:39:21,581 NEWSCASTER 2: One couple showed up 1958 01:39:21,665 --> 01:39:22,666 in Jim and Tammy Faye masks. 1959 01:39:22,749 --> 01:39:24,084 NEWSCASTER 3: ...couple million dollars in PTL cash 1960 01:39:24,167 --> 01:39:25,168 for their personal use. 1961 01:39:25,627 --> 01:39:27,962 TED: How much money did you earn last year? 1962 01:39:28,046 --> 01:39:32,300 Salary, bonuses, and dividends, and royalties... 1963 01:39:32,384 --> 01:39:33,593 No idea? You're starting... 1964 01:39:33,677 --> 01:39:35,220 I don't have the exact figure. 1965 01:39:35,303 --> 01:39:37,138 - TED: Not exactly. - I honestly, honest... 1966 01:39:37,305 --> 01:39:39,808 I do not know how much I make. I never thought about it. 1967 01:39:39,974 --> 01:39:42,227 -I really don't. 1968 01:39:42,644 --> 01:39:44,104 NEWSCASTER: To raise desperately needed cash, 1969 01:39:44,270 --> 01:39:46,856 PTL is auctioning off opulent personal items 1970 01:39:47,023 --> 01:39:49,275 deposed Evangelists Jim and Tammy Bakker 1971 01:39:49,359 --> 01:39:50,568 bought with church donations. 1972 01:39:50,652 --> 01:39:52,570 They also brought new charges of moral failure. 1973 01:39:52,654 --> 01:39:54,072 NEWSCASTER 2: ...having sex with Reverend Jim Bakker. 1974 01:39:54,155 --> 01:39:55,156 NEWSCASTER 3: Jessica Hahn, 1975 01:39:55,240 --> 01:39:58,785 Bakker personally directed the payment of PTL hush money. 1976 01:39:58,952 --> 01:40:00,662 We grieve for the impact all of this has had 1977 01:40:00,745 --> 01:40:02,539 upon the entire Christian community. 1978 01:40:02,956 --> 01:40:06,501 TED: As for the homosexual advances going back to 1956, 1979 01:40:06,710 --> 01:40:08,878 - you're saying that's a lie. - Yes. Yes. 1980 01:40:09,045 --> 01:40:11,923 Yes, that's... that's... that's true. 1981 01:40:12,006 --> 01:40:13,133 What are you saying? 1982 01:40:13,216 --> 01:40:14,217 That's... That's a lie. 1983 01:40:14,300 --> 01:40:16,803 Yes. Yes. And, you know, 1984 01:40:16,970 --> 01:40:18,763 people need to know 1985 01:40:18,930 --> 01:40:23,601 that God loves homosexuals. 1986 01:40:24,018 --> 01:40:25,562 Preachers have to be awfully pious. 1987 01:40:25,729 --> 01:40:28,273 And when they fall from grace, they fall harder. 1988 01:40:28,440 --> 01:40:29,441 People laugh. 1989 01:40:29,524 --> 01:40:31,443 Tammy, we have a bit of goop on our face. 1990 01:40:31,526 --> 01:40:32,902 -You've taken her makeup off. 1991 01:40:32,986 --> 01:40:34,738 - 1992 01:40:34,821 --> 01:40:36,740 I saw his wife. I heard the accusations, 1993 01:40:36,823 --> 01:40:38,616 wife-swapping, homosexuality. 1994 01:40:38,783 --> 01:40:40,577 Woman? 1995 01:40:40,744 --> 01:40:43,163 I'd swap her for a can of soup. 1996 01:40:43,329 --> 01:40:45,331 REPORTER: National news, special report. 1997 01:40:45,540 --> 01:40:48,877 Jim Bakker was found guilty on all 24 counts of wire and... 1998 01:40:49,085 --> 01:40:51,171 - Guilty. - Guilty. 1999 01:40:51,337 --> 01:40:54,841 He now faces up to a 120 years in prison 2000 01:40:54,924 --> 01:40:56,968 and $5 million in fines. 2001 01:40:57,135 --> 01:40:58,470 TAMMY: Ted, can I say something? 2002 01:40:58,636 --> 01:40:59,637 TED: Sure. 2003 01:40:59,721 --> 01:41:03,725 I just wanna say, remember, God loves you. 2004 01:41:03,892 --> 01:41:07,187 I wanna say that, too. God loves you. 2005 01:41:07,353 --> 01:41:10,064 - He really does. Bye-bye. - He really, really does. 2006 01:41:10,231 --> 01:41:12,317 TED: All right. Thank you both very much for being with us. 2007 01:41:12,484 --> 01:41:13,485 WOMAN: We're clear. 2008 01:41:37,634 --> 01:41:39,761 It's all right, honey. Don't cry. 2009 01:41:44,557 --> 01:41:45,975 No. 2010 01:41:46,142 --> 01:41:48,603 I didn't do anything. Please. 2011 01:41:51,439 --> 01:41:52,774 TAMMY: I have a song for you. 2012 01:41:53,608 --> 01:41:55,360 On Christ 2013 01:41:55,527 --> 01:42:00,031 The solid rock I stand 2014 01:42:00,198 --> 01:42:06,746 All other ground is sinking sand 2015 01:42:06,913 --> 01:42:13,127 All other ground is sinking sand 2016 01:42:22,720 --> 01:42:24,013 TAMMY: God... 2017 01:42:24,931 --> 01:42:28,351 I followed you ever since I was a little girl. 2018 01:42:30,854 --> 01:42:32,647 I loved you. 2019 01:42:34,482 --> 01:42:36,317 I served you. 2020 01:42:39,070 --> 01:42:40,989 And I worked for you. 2021 01:42:44,158 --> 01:42:45,451 God... 2022 01:42:48,413 --> 01:42:50,331 ...where have you gone? 2023 01:42:51,958 --> 01:42:54,752 - It's not over till it's over. - 2024 01:43:31,205 --> 01:43:33,082 Hey. Sorry I'm late. 2025 01:43:34,959 --> 01:43:35,960 - Hi. - Hi. 2026 01:43:36,044 --> 01:43:38,254 - Nice to meet ya. I'm Tammy. - Nice to meet you. Stephen. 2027 01:43:38,338 --> 01:43:39,881 All right. You need a water or anything? 2028 01:43:39,964 --> 01:43:41,424 - Oh, no, I'm good. - Okay. 2029 01:43:41,591 --> 01:43:42,842 My new headshot. 2030 01:43:43,009 --> 01:43:45,595 Yeah, all right. Nice. 2031 01:43:46,304 --> 01:43:48,222 All right. So... 2032 01:43:48,723 --> 01:43:50,183 I hear you're here to pitch me something. 2033 01:43:50,266 --> 01:43:52,810 So I should... I'll... Yeah. 2034 01:43:53,728 --> 01:43:55,563 So, I have two ideas for you, Stephen. 2035 01:43:55,730 --> 01:43:58,733 And then I'd like to hear what you see me doing. 2036 01:43:59,275 --> 01:44:00,276 Okay. 2037 01:44:00,652 --> 01:44:04,072 Okay. Um, the first one is about puppets. 2038 01:44:04,238 --> 01:44:06,449 I mean, it's serious, but it's also funny. 2039 01:44:06,616 --> 01:44:09,869 It's a talk show but with puppets. 2040 01:44:09,953 --> 01:44:11,663 And it's for kids and also for adults. 2041 01:44:11,829 --> 01:44:16,000 And it's a way for people to talk about their problems, 2042 01:44:16,209 --> 01:44:17,669 but with puppets. 2043 01:44:19,587 --> 01:44:20,797 Okay. 2044 01:44:22,423 --> 01:44:24,509 Okay, I have something else for you, Stephen. 2045 01:44:24,759 --> 01:44:27,136 - Oh, okay, another one. - It's for teenagers. 2046 01:44:27,303 --> 01:44:29,931 You know, the biggest problem that they say is, 2047 01:44:30,098 --> 01:44:33,017 "How can we get people to listen to us?" 2048 01:44:33,184 --> 01:44:35,353 And I would really love to give them that chance 2049 01:44:35,520 --> 01:44:37,021 and, you know, go where they go. 2050 01:44:37,188 --> 01:44:39,816 I'd love to go to the piercing parlors with them, 2051 01:44:39,983 --> 01:44:42,652 I'd love to go to the tattoo places with them, and... 2052 01:44:42,819 --> 01:44:44,153 And you would call this show, what? 2053 01:44:44,320 --> 01:44:46,155 - "Tammy's Terrific Teens." - Oh, yeah. 2054 01:44:46,322 --> 01:44:48,449 I thought that would be, you know, a fun title. 2055 01:44:48,616 --> 01:44:50,159 I was just curious. 2056 01:44:50,827 --> 01:44:52,870 Well, what do you see me doing, Stephen? 2057 01:44:52,954 --> 01:44:54,956 I mean, you're the expert. 2058 01:44:55,748 --> 01:44:58,918 Well, have you reached out to any Christian networks or anything? 2059 01:45:01,379 --> 01:45:03,214 Well, they won't have me. 2060 01:45:03,381 --> 01:45:07,301 Okay. Well, what I've learned from doing these shows, 2061 01:45:07,468 --> 01:45:09,846 and I think you've learned as well, is, 2062 01:45:10,013 --> 01:45:11,055 you know, it is dangerous 2063 01:45:11,139 --> 01:45:13,725 to wanna be seen just for the sake of it. You know? 2064 01:45:13,891 --> 01:45:16,102 Well, I do love the camera, but... 2065 01:45:16,185 --> 01:45:17,270 Why? 2066 01:45:17,770 --> 01:45:19,022 Well, because it's a person. 2067 01:45:19,188 --> 01:45:20,732 It's someone to talk to. 2068 01:45:20,898 --> 01:45:24,235 It's... It's God's love through me. 2069 01:45:27,196 --> 01:45:28,448 So what do you think, Stephen? 2070 01:45:28,531 --> 01:45:30,241 You know, would you like to do a show? 2071 01:45:31,534 --> 01:45:33,327 I don't know, Tammy. 2072 01:45:33,411 --> 01:45:36,289 I just don't think it's a good fit for us right now. 2073 01:45:36,873 --> 01:45:37,874 Okay? 2074 01:45:39,876 --> 01:45:42,211 Well, well, I... I... 2075 01:45:43,296 --> 01:45:44,964 - I really appreciate... - Thank you for coming in. 2076 01:45:45,131 --> 01:45:46,716 - Thank you. - Thanks for coming through. 2077 01:45:46,883 --> 01:45:48,843 We'll take care of your parking validation. 2078 01:45:49,010 --> 01:45:50,303 - Thank you. - TAMMY: Okay. 2079 01:45:51,095 --> 01:45:52,555 You have a good one. 2080 01:45:55,933 --> 01:45:57,310 - Bye. - Bye. 2081 01:45:58,519 --> 01:45:59,771 TAMMY: Oops. 2082 01:46:18,873 --> 01:46:20,166 BOY 1: Oh, man. 2083 01:46:21,209 --> 01:46:23,002 BOY 2: What'd she do to her face? 2084 01:46:25,922 --> 01:46:28,883 BOY 1: I told you she lived here. What a freak. 2085 01:46:34,013 --> 01:46:35,848 - Oh, man. - Hi. 2086 01:46:36,015 --> 01:46:37,558 BOY 2: Oh, shit. She's comin' over here. 2087 01:46:37,725 --> 01:46:40,228 - You guys just hangin' out? - BOY 2: Yeah. 2088 01:46:41,521 --> 01:46:45,608 So, you can talk about me. That's all right. 2089 01:46:45,775 --> 01:46:47,401 But, you know, you gotta shake my hand, 2090 01:46:47,485 --> 01:46:49,487 and you gotta say hi first. 2091 01:46:51,239 --> 01:46:52,615 - Hi. - Hi, nice to meet ya. 2092 01:46:52,698 --> 01:46:53,950 I'm Tammy. What's your name? 2093 01:46:54,033 --> 01:46:55,660 - Um, Max. - Hi. 2094 01:46:55,827 --> 01:46:57,078 But, you know, we're not strangers. 2095 01:46:57,161 --> 01:46:59,205 I live right there. We're neighbors. 2096 01:47:00,123 --> 01:47:02,166 Oh! Let me show you guys what I just got. 2097 01:47:03,042 --> 01:47:07,004 Who would like a picture? 2098 01:47:10,299 --> 01:47:12,093 Jolene, I cannot believe that you have eaten 2099 01:47:12,176 --> 01:47:14,262 almost an entire jar of peanut butter. 2100 01:47:14,428 --> 01:47:15,555 JOLENE: Well, I'm sorry, Susanne. 2101 01:47:15,638 --> 01:47:17,431 I happen to be eating for two. 2102 01:47:17,598 --> 01:47:18,766 Don't beg. 2103 01:47:18,850 --> 01:47:20,059 - 2104 01:47:20,143 --> 01:47:21,561 Okay, you're being so good. 2105 01:47:21,727 --> 01:47:22,979 SUSANNE: I say, have at it. 2106 01:47:23,771 --> 01:47:25,106 JOLENE: You know, Susanne, since you're having 2107 01:47:25,189 --> 01:47:26,566 so much trouble collecting money for your benefit, 2108 01:47:26,649 --> 01:47:28,151 I might be able to help you out. 2109 01:47:28,234 --> 01:47:29,944 - SUSANNE: You, how? - 2110 01:47:30,111 --> 01:47:31,571 TAMMY: God bless you. You've reached Tammy. 2111 01:47:31,654 --> 01:47:32,905 Leave me a message. 2112 01:47:35,324 --> 01:47:37,535 Hello, Mrs. Bakker. This is Linda Thomas 2113 01:47:37,618 --> 01:47:39,203 from Oral Roberts School of Divinity. 2114 01:47:39,370 --> 01:47:42,373 You probably don't remember but I volunteered at PTL. 2115 01:47:42,540 --> 01:47:44,458 You were always so nice to me. 2116 01:47:44,667 --> 01:47:46,502 Anyway, I'm calling to invite you to sing 2117 01:47:46,669 --> 01:47:48,838 at this year's festival of Praise and Redemption. 2118 01:47:49,005 --> 01:47:51,340 I think you'd be a wonderful addition to our program. 2119 01:47:51,507 --> 01:47:53,509 We'll check back with you to find out if you're interested. 2120 01:47:53,676 --> 01:47:55,052 Thanks very much. 2121 01:48:26,417 --> 01:48:28,044 - JIM: Hi. - Hi. 2122 01:48:44,852 --> 01:48:46,979 Oh. I don't know. 2123 01:48:49,232 --> 01:48:51,817 I got an invitation from Oral Roberts to sing. 2124 01:48:52,652 --> 01:48:54,070 - Wow. - Yeah. 2125 01:48:54,237 --> 01:48:55,821 That's wonderful. 2126 01:48:56,739 --> 01:48:57,949 - I'm not gonna do it though. - You should. 2127 01:48:58,032 --> 01:48:59,867 No, I haven't been in church for years. 2128 01:49:00,034 --> 01:49:01,035 Well, that's where you belong. 2129 01:49:01,118 --> 01:49:02,703 No, I don't belong with them. 2130 01:49:02,787 --> 01:49:04,413 They're gonna laugh. 2131 01:49:04,497 --> 01:49:05,498 I'm not gonna go. 2132 01:49:05,581 --> 01:49:07,541 It's my fault you feel that way. 2133 01:49:07,750 --> 01:49:09,126 I'm sorry for that. 2134 01:49:10,169 --> 01:49:11,337 All of it. 2135 01:49:13,965 --> 01:49:15,132 I pray for you, Jim. 2136 01:49:15,800 --> 01:49:18,970 And I pray that God will use you again. 2137 01:49:20,471 --> 01:49:21,597 Yes. 2138 01:49:26,060 --> 01:49:28,312 I appreciate you signing the divorce papers, Jim. 2139 01:49:28,479 --> 01:49:29,939 I didn't want to, Tam. 2140 01:49:30,564 --> 01:49:31,649 I know. 2141 01:49:33,609 --> 01:49:36,112 But, you know, we've just been through too much together 2142 01:49:36,279 --> 01:49:39,115 and, you know, there's been too many hurts 2143 01:49:39,282 --> 01:49:41,617 that have happened over the years. 2144 01:49:42,451 --> 01:49:43,786 And that poor girl, Jim. 2145 01:49:43,953 --> 01:49:46,122 I know, I know. I know. 2146 01:49:46,706 --> 01:49:48,791 I'm ashamed of that. 2147 01:49:49,500 --> 01:49:52,920 I've been getting some real me and God time in here 2148 01:49:53,087 --> 01:49:54,630 and everything looks very, very different 2149 01:49:54,714 --> 01:49:56,215 when you're looking at it from the bottom up. 2150 01:49:56,674 --> 01:49:57,925 - Well, yeah. - Yeah. 2151 01:49:58,092 --> 01:49:59,385 And I've just been thinking, 2152 01:50:00,344 --> 01:50:02,263 were we preaching 2153 01:50:02,972 --> 01:50:06,142 that God doesn't love you if you're poor? 2154 01:50:07,435 --> 01:50:09,270 Well, you know that I grew up poor. 2155 01:50:11,147 --> 01:50:13,733 It's not what you have in stuff, 2156 01:50:13,816 --> 01:50:16,110 it's the people that count. 2157 01:50:16,902 --> 01:50:18,696 - Amen. - Amen. 2158 01:50:34,128 --> 01:50:35,463 RACHEL: Tammy. 2159 01:50:37,298 --> 01:50:38,382 Mom? 2160 01:50:43,304 --> 01:50:45,973 PASTOR: "We therefore were buried with him" 2161 01:50:46,057 --> 01:50:47,558 "through baptism into death. 2162 01:50:48,559 --> 01:50:49,560 "In order that, 2163 01:50:49,727 --> 01:50:51,854 "just as Christ was raised from the dead 2164 01:50:51,937 --> 01:50:53,689 "through the glory of the Father," 2165 01:50:54,523 --> 01:50:58,110 "we too may walk in newness of life." 2166 01:51:00,112 --> 01:51:02,198 MAN: Such a good service. 2167 01:51:02,365 --> 01:51:03,657 FRED: Hello, Tom. Thanks for comin'. 2168 01:51:06,035 --> 01:51:07,495 There you are. 2169 01:51:08,329 --> 01:51:10,373 Aren't you gonna come in, have somethin' to eat? 2170 01:51:10,539 --> 01:51:13,501 I don't belong in there with them. 2171 01:51:13,667 --> 01:51:14,919 Yeah. 2172 01:51:16,212 --> 01:51:18,089 One good thing about your mum kicking the bucket is 2173 01:51:18,255 --> 01:51:20,216 I never have to go to church again. 2174 01:51:22,385 --> 01:51:24,345 No, I shouldn't laugh at that. 2175 01:51:26,639 --> 01:51:29,058 - Oh, I did something terrible. - Oh? 2176 01:51:32,603 --> 01:51:34,897 You're forgiven. - 2177 01:51:35,689 --> 01:51:38,692 Ooh. Wow, she really was blind, wasn't she? 2178 01:51:38,818 --> 01:51:40,403 Mm-hmm. 2179 01:51:41,987 --> 01:51:43,781 I got somethin' for ya. 2180 01:51:44,615 --> 01:51:46,617 You recognize this? 2181 01:51:49,412 --> 01:51:51,330 I thought Falwell took everything. 2182 01:51:51,497 --> 01:51:52,832 She hid this. 2183 01:51:52,998 --> 01:51:54,750 She stole it. 2184 01:51:54,917 --> 01:51:56,210 Well, she said she'd be damned 2185 01:51:56,377 --> 01:51:58,212 if she was gonna hand over this precious thing 2186 01:51:58,379 --> 01:51:59,880 her daughter worked so hard for 2187 01:52:00,047 --> 01:52:02,258 - to the fat Baptist. - 2188 01:52:30,244 --> 01:52:32,413 We're opening the house now, Ms. Bakker. 2189 01:52:32,496 --> 01:52:34,540 People are taking their seats. 2190 01:52:39,587 --> 01:52:41,547 Well, hello there, Tammy. 2191 01:52:43,257 --> 01:52:44,508 Hi, there. 2192 01:52:47,386 --> 01:52:48,721 I'm scared. 2193 01:52:56,228 --> 01:53:00,733 Jesus, come in to my heart, and forgive me my sins. 2194 01:53:02,109 --> 01:53:04,570 I know I cared about things that I shouldn't have. 2195 01:53:06,363 --> 01:53:08,282 And I know I got lost... 2196 01:53:10,868 --> 01:53:14,246 ...and I forgot who you are to me... 2197 01:53:17,208 --> 01:53:18,834 ...but that's done now. 2198 01:53:20,711 --> 01:53:22,796 Yeah, I won't go forward 2199 01:53:22,880 --> 01:53:26,175 looking in the rearview mirror of my life. 2200 01:53:27,593 --> 01:53:29,470 On stage in 10 minutes. 2201 01:53:47,571 --> 01:53:48,906 Thank you. 2202 01:53:50,241 --> 01:53:51,617 Here, this is for the piano player. 2203 01:53:51,784 --> 01:53:52,785 Okay. 2204 01:54:09,301 --> 01:54:10,469 ANNOUNCER: Ladies and gentlemen 2205 01:54:11,637 --> 01:54:15,474 please welcome tonight's special guest, 2206 01:54:15,641 --> 01:54:17,226 Tammy Faye. 2207 01:54:17,309 --> 01:54:19,311 - 2208 01:54:25,609 --> 01:54:26,610 TAMMY: Aw. 2209 01:54:27,403 --> 01:54:30,447 Thank you. Thank you so much. 2210 01:54:33,576 --> 01:54:36,870 I am genuinely, I am so happy 2211 01:54:36,954 --> 01:54:39,373 to be back where I once belonged. 2212 01:54:43,961 --> 01:54:48,132 This morning when I was in need of some comfort, 2213 01:54:48,299 --> 01:54:50,968 I turned to my favorite scripture, 2214 01:54:51,135 --> 01:54:52,761 Psalms 91. 2215 01:54:55,889 --> 01:54:58,475 "He that dwelleth in the secret place 2216 01:54:58,559 --> 01:55:00,060 "of the most high..." 2217 01:55:02,062 --> 01:55:06,275 "...shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty." 2218 01:55:16,160 --> 01:55:19,038 "He shall cover thee with His feathers" 2219 01:55:20,789 --> 01:55:22,541 "and under His wings" 2220 01:55:23,709 --> 01:55:26,211 "shalt thou trust." 2221 01:55:29,757 --> 01:55:32,801 Well, I haven't had a concert in almost a decade 2222 01:55:34,386 --> 01:55:36,513 and I am a little nervous. 2223 01:55:38,307 --> 01:55:39,683 But I'll do my best 2224 01:55:40,225 --> 01:55:43,854 to deliver Him to you folks tonight. Okay? 2225 01:55:51,945 --> 01:55:53,572 Mine eyes 2226 01:55:54,365 --> 01:55:56,742 Have seen the glory 2227 01:55:58,077 --> 01:56:01,997 Of the coming of the Lord 2228 01:56:03,040 --> 01:56:06,669 He is trampling out the vintage 2229 01:56:07,586 --> 01:56:13,008 Where the grapes of wrath are stored 2230 01:56:13,884 --> 01:56:15,803 He hath loosed 2231 01:56:16,887 --> 01:56:18,972 The fateful lightning 2232 01:56:20,599 --> 01:56:25,020 Of His terrible, swift sword 2233 01:56:27,564 --> 01:56:34,530 His truth is marching on 2234 01:56:36,657 --> 01:56:43,622 Glory, glory, hallelujah 2235 01:56:43,831 --> 01:56:50,796 Glory, glory, hallelujah 2236 01:56:51,004 --> 01:56:57,386 Glory, glory, hallelujah 2237 01:56:57,553 --> 01:57:04,518 His truth is marching on 2238 01:57:04,685 --> 01:57:08,313 -I have read His fiery gospel 2239 01:57:08,480 --> 01:57:11,692 Writ in burnished rows of steel 2240 01:57:11,859 --> 01:57:15,487 "As ye deal with my condemners" 2241 01:57:15,696 --> 01:57:18,490 "So with you my grace shall deal" 2242 01:57:18,657 --> 01:57:22,369 Let the Hero, born of woman 2243 01:57:22,536 --> 01:57:25,748 Crush the serpent with his heel 2244 01:57:25,914 --> 01:57:32,713 Since God is marching on 2245 01:57:33,088 --> 01:57:35,758 Come on, everybody! Feel his miracle! 2246 01:57:37,217 --> 01:57:44,016 Glory, glory, hallelujah 2247 01:57:44,183 --> 01:57:50,189 Glory, glory, hallelujah 2248 01:57:51,482 --> 01:57:57,529 Glory, glory, hallelujah 2249 01:57:57,738 --> 01:58:04,536 His truth is marching on 2250 01:58:04,953 --> 01:58:07,206 Oh, how thankful I am 2251 01:58:07,372 --> 01:58:09,958 for the amazing grace of God. 2252 01:58:10,542 --> 01:58:13,045 Because without that beautiful grace, 2253 01:58:13,212 --> 01:58:15,297 I wouldn't even be here today. 2254 01:58:16,089 --> 01:58:18,091 That grace that reached down and said, 2255 01:58:18,258 --> 01:58:21,929 "Tammy Faye, I love you." 2256 01:58:22,095 --> 01:58:25,015 "And I love you just the way you are." 2257 01:58:25,474 --> 01:58:29,144 You know God's grace is sufficient enough for you today, too. 2258 01:58:29,311 --> 01:58:33,816 And He loves you just the way you are! 2259 01:58:33,982 --> 01:58:40,614 Glory, glory, hallelujah 2260 01:58:40,823 --> 01:58:46,829 Glory, glory, hallelujah 2261 01:58:48,121 --> 01:58:54,378 Glory, glory, hallelujah 2262 01:58:54,545 --> 01:59:00,843 His truth is marching on 2263 01:59:01,552 --> 01:59:05,222 Our God is 2264 01:59:06,181 --> 01:59:09,852 Marching 2265 01:59:10,018 --> 01:59:15,357 On 2266 01:59:18,318 --> 01:59:22,197 Thank you, Lord, for the United States of America. 2267 01:59:22,406 --> 01:59:23,740 We thank you, Lord, 2268 01:59:23,824 --> 01:59:27,077 that we live in this wonderful country. 2269 01:59:27,244 --> 01:59:31,540 God bless America. Hallelujah. 2270 01:59:32,124 --> 01:59:33,709 Oh, yeah. 2271 02:00:26,803 --> 02:00:30,265 It's not over till it's over.