1 00:00:12,721 --> 00:00:15,223 Right. This is the shape of the business you work for. 2 00:00:15,223 --> 00:00:18,226 It is a failed, ******-up business. 3 00:00:23,356 --> 00:00:25,191 Unless you guys understand that, 4 00:00:25,191 --> 00:00:27,110 you'll never ******* make it in this world. 5 00:00:27,110 --> 00:00:28,445 This was ******. 6 00:00:28,445 --> 00:00:31,281 {\an8}And it is over as far as Sunderland are concerned. 7 00:00:31,281 --> 00:00:33,700 {\an8}After ten consecutive seasons in the Premier League, 8 00:00:33,700 --> 00:00:36,202 they have been relegated. 9 00:00:36,202 --> 00:00:37,912 It's a new chapter for the club. 10 00:00:37,912 --> 00:00:41,833 If we approach it with the right manner, promotion. Automatic. Win the league. 11 00:00:41,833 --> 00:00:43,251 Makes a mistake under pressure. 12 00:00:43,251 --> 00:00:44,335 And they've scored. 13 00:00:44,335 --> 00:00:47,255 - A myriad number of problems. - Where's it gonna drop? 14 00:00:47,255 --> 00:00:49,966 Too many people at the club that don't give a ****. 15 00:00:49,966 --> 00:00:53,178 He's a fortunate boy to still be playing at the football club. 16 00:00:53,178 --> 00:00:55,555 - He scores! - Scored again. 17 00:00:55,555 --> 00:00:57,140 Absolutely pathetic. We're sick of it. 18 00:00:57,140 --> 00:00:58,308 So you piss off. 19 00:00:58,308 --> 00:01:00,894 It's a lot of pressure. No other way to describe it. 20 00:01:00,894 --> 00:01:02,395 You can **** off with your phone! 21 00:01:02,395 --> 00:01:04,856 This is the most intense crowd in the whole country. 22 00:01:05,648 --> 00:01:07,025 It's terrifying. 23 00:01:07,025 --> 00:01:10,528 Sunderland is a massive, massive footballing city. 24 00:01:10,528 --> 00:01:14,032 We're not talking about Watford or Cambridge. 25 00:01:14,032 --> 00:01:15,992 We're talking about a working-class city, 26 00:01:15,992 --> 00:01:19,037 and the main talking point is Sunderland Football Club. 27 00:01:21,039 --> 00:01:23,333 Hammers it into the bottom corner. 28 00:01:23,333 --> 00:01:26,044 Unhappiness abounds. 29 00:01:26,628 --> 00:01:29,464 This club went almost exactly 12 months 30 00:01:29,464 --> 00:01:31,174 without winning a single game here. 31 00:01:31,174 --> 00:01:32,550 No. 32 00:01:32,550 --> 00:01:33,843 Grayson out! Grayson out! 33 00:01:33,843 --> 00:01:36,846 Sunderland AFC has this evening parted company with manager Simon Grayson. 34 00:01:36,846 --> 00:01:39,516 I think Chris will be a major milestone 35 00:01:39,516 --> 00:01:42,018 in the history of Sunderland Football Club for years to come. 36 00:01:42,018 --> 00:01:45,688 All of my friends, especially the ladies, are absolutely delighted. 37 00:01:45,688 --> 00:01:50,276 A fragmented, disillusioned, disunited team. 38 00:01:50,276 --> 00:01:52,987 Just constant turmoil. 39 00:01:53,571 --> 00:01:56,241 {\an8}Misery at the Stadium of Light as Sunderland were relegated 40 00:01:56,241 --> 00:01:57,951 {\an8}for the second straight season. 41 00:01:57,951 --> 00:01:59,661 - Well done! - Well done, mates. 42 00:01:59,661 --> 00:02:01,621 Well done on destroying the club. 43 00:02:03,414 --> 00:02:04,833 Mate, hold on. Whoa. 44 00:02:05,708 --> 00:02:07,669 Just another sickening blow, innit, really? 45 00:02:07,669 --> 00:02:11,172 Do you not think the fans have some right to know what's going on with the club? 46 00:02:11,172 --> 00:02:14,425 Who are these new owners, Stewart Donald and Charlie Methven? 47 00:02:14,425 --> 00:02:16,803 You'll see us. I'll take charge of the football club. 48 00:02:16,803 --> 00:02:18,888 That piss-take party stops now. 49 00:02:20,140 --> 00:02:23,184 The spiral just went down and down and down, you know? 50 00:02:23,184 --> 00:02:25,979 We need to get a plan, and we got to get a plan quickly, haven't we? 51 00:02:25,979 --> 00:02:28,189 Deal after deal after deal after deal, 52 00:02:28,189 --> 00:02:30,066 where Sunderland have been absolutely shafted. 53 00:02:30,066 --> 00:02:32,944 This football club is gonna kill me. 54 00:02:32,944 --> 00:02:35,029 A bit of turmoil and a bit of turbulence. 55 00:02:35,029 --> 00:02:37,866 Out of the rubble starts to come change. 56 00:02:37,866 --> 00:02:40,577 Come on, lads! Come on! 57 00:02:41,828 --> 00:02:42,829 Oh! 58 00:02:42,829 --> 00:02:44,038 Come on, lads. 59 00:02:44,038 --> 00:02:45,456 Concentration. 60 00:02:48,334 --> 00:02:51,588 Morgan has given Sunderland the lead! 61 00:02:53,548 --> 00:02:54,924 Drops then... 62 00:02:55,508 --> 00:02:58,720 Goal! 63 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,931 Chris Maguire in the 62nd minute! 64 00:03:02,473 --> 00:03:04,475 Sunderland are through to Wembley. 65 00:03:05,101 --> 00:03:08,021 I really do think I've got me club back. 66 00:03:08,605 --> 00:03:10,857 Sunderland is emotionally tough. 67 00:03:11,774 --> 00:03:15,486 Win this game, and Sunderland get promoted. 68 00:03:15,486 --> 00:03:19,407 When it's good, you are absolutely invincible. 69 00:03:21,576 --> 00:03:23,161 But when it's bad... 70 00:03:24,913 --> 00:03:28,416 it is a place of despair. 71 00:03:31,377 --> 00:03:32,962 Oh no! 72 00:03:32,962 --> 00:03:34,672 Charlton have scored. 73 00:03:36,174 --> 00:03:37,926 There's no way back for Sunderland. 74 00:03:37,926 --> 00:03:41,179 It means a second season in League One. 75 00:03:43,139 --> 00:03:44,974 Why is it never us celebrating? 76 00:03:46,017 --> 00:03:47,310 Why is it never us? 77 00:03:55,193 --> 00:04:00,198 ♪ On the river Where they used to build the boats ♪ 78 00:04:02,158 --> 00:04:06,955 ♪ By the harbour wall The place you loved the most ♪ 79 00:04:08,831 --> 00:04:11,876 ♪ I can see you there alone ♪ 80 00:04:11,876 --> 00:04:13,962 ♪ But oh, you know ♪ 81 00:04:15,463 --> 00:04:16,839 ♪ I'll be there ♪ 82 00:04:19,425 --> 00:04:20,677 {\an8}♪ Soon ♪ 83 00:04:22,553 --> 00:04:27,350 {\an8}♪ All your life You worked your fingers to the bone ♪ 84 00:04:29,477 --> 00:04:34,023 {\an8}♪ You worked hard For every little thing you owned ♪ 85 00:04:36,234 --> 00:04:39,112 {\an8}♪ That you gave away for years ♪ 86 00:04:39,112 --> 00:04:41,322 ♪ As if you'd known ♪ 87 00:04:43,032 --> 00:04:47,161 ♪ They were calling out ♪ 88 00:04:49,497 --> 00:04:52,166 ♪ But if you could see me now ♪ 89 00:04:56,504 --> 00:04:59,716 ♪ And if you could see me now ♪ 90 00:05:02,176 --> 00:05:04,846 ♪ I hope that I'm making you proud ♪ 91 00:05:07,348 --> 00:05:13,563 ♪ I hope that I'm making you proud ♪ 92 00:05:17,275 --> 00:05:18,735 ♪ Proud ♪ 93 00:05:31,956 --> 00:05:35,668 Honestly thought we'd get promoted straight back. 94 00:05:37,670 --> 00:05:39,255 And it just didn't happen. 95 00:05:40,923 --> 00:05:45,136 {\an8}Sunderland Football Club, it's... it's like a roller-coaster, man. 96 00:05:45,678 --> 00:05:47,805 You're up, you're down, you're down, you're up. 97 00:05:48,306 --> 00:05:51,392 Of course, Methven and Donald sold the club. 98 00:05:52,477 --> 00:05:55,646 Dreyfus took over the club, and he's a multi-billionaire. 99 00:05:55,646 --> 00:05:58,316 One of the richest men in Europe's took over the club. 100 00:05:58,316 --> 00:05:59,859 It's all going tickety-boo here. 101 00:06:00,485 --> 00:06:02,653 But he's only 23, 102 00:06:03,905 --> 00:06:06,032 so nobody knows what's going to happen. 103 00:06:08,951 --> 00:06:11,079 Oi, do you reckon we'll get Luis Suárez from Nacional? 104 00:06:11,996 --> 00:06:13,581 - Speak to him about it. - I am. 105 00:06:14,082 --> 00:06:16,542 So I know Juan Sartori since a few years. 106 00:06:17,418 --> 00:06:19,754 They want Haaland, Mbappé, and Jude Bellingham, 107 00:06:19,754 --> 00:06:21,881 so get the check ready. 108 00:06:22,465 --> 00:06:24,634 {\an8}We met in the Maldives, 109 00:06:24,634 --> 00:06:28,346 {\an8}on a tiny island, where the staff used to play football. 110 00:06:28,346 --> 00:06:31,891 And I decided to join in, and he decided to join in, so... 111 00:06:31,891 --> 00:06:34,435 And then we just kept seeing each other 112 00:06:34,435 --> 00:06:36,979 to play football in different parts of the world. 113 00:06:36,979 --> 00:06:39,399 So basically, I phoned him up just out of curiosity 114 00:06:39,399 --> 00:06:41,275 to see how... how things are going. 115 00:06:41,275 --> 00:06:43,569 He mentioned to me that the club's on sale 116 00:06:44,070 --> 00:06:47,907 and if I'm... if I'm... if I'm interested, to take a closer look at it. 117 00:06:47,907 --> 00:06:52,537 That's when I really saw the size and the... and the magnitude of the football club 118 00:06:52,537 --> 00:06:55,164 and... and the huge potential it has. 119 00:06:56,124 --> 00:06:59,168 If you associate age with wisdom, then it's natural to wonder 120 00:06:59,168 --> 00:07:01,170 how the youngest chairman in English football 121 00:07:01,170 --> 00:07:02,463 will get on at Sunderland. 122 00:07:02,463 --> 00:07:05,383 Kyril Louis-Dreyfus is in his early twenties, 123 00:07:05,383 --> 00:07:08,302 but he's the new boss in the boardroom at the Stadium of Light. 124 00:07:08,302 --> 00:07:10,555 Sunderland being out of the Premier League 125 00:07:10,555 --> 00:07:12,140 now for six or seven years 126 00:07:12,140 --> 00:07:14,100 {\an8}and dropping into League One 127 00:07:14,100 --> 00:07:16,894 {\an8}is not a testament of a club doing well. 128 00:07:17,645 --> 00:07:19,105 With a young man running it, 129 00:07:19,105 --> 00:07:22,608 that will need to be given some proper guidance and real-world experience 130 00:07:22,608 --> 00:07:24,777 about how the world looks in English football. 131 00:07:24,777 --> 00:07:27,363 He may have a big bag of Daddy's money behind him, 132 00:07:27,363 --> 00:07:28,739 but he also needs someone 133 00:07:28,739 --> 00:07:30,533 with football nouse to give him some guidance 134 00:07:30,533 --> 00:07:33,578 and to be ensuring that the decisions he makes are the right ones. 135 00:07:47,008 --> 00:07:49,802 At University of Bolton Stadium, Nick Barnes and Gary Bennett. 136 00:07:49,802 --> 00:07:51,846 - Good afternoon, gentlemen. - Good afternoon. 137 00:07:52,346 --> 00:07:53,973 It's the midway point of the season, 138 00:07:53,973 --> 00:07:56,267 and every game is now critical. 139 00:07:56,267 --> 00:07:59,770 Only the top two clubs in the league will gain automatic promotion. 140 00:08:00,479 --> 00:08:02,440 Sunderland are just holding on to 2nd place. 141 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:06,486 And with Bolton in 15th, a win today is not only expected, 142 00:08:06,486 --> 00:08:09,697 but it's essential if they're gonna keep up their push for promotion. 143 00:08:10,865 --> 00:08:13,868 Great atmosphere. And you've gotta commend the Sunderland fans. 144 00:08:13,868 --> 00:08:16,370 They have filled up the South Stand, pretty much. 145 00:08:16,370 --> 00:08:19,081 ♪ Sunderland! Sun... ♪ 146 00:08:19,081 --> 00:08:23,377 And Sunderland, of course, will be in yellow and blue. 147 00:08:23,377 --> 00:08:27,089 Lee Johnson's got options, got creative players there, 148 00:08:27,089 --> 00:08:30,468 but the foundations have got to be there 149 00:08:30,468 --> 00:08:32,386 in regards of defending. 150 00:08:33,095 --> 00:08:35,765 Long and direct from a Bolton perspective. 151 00:08:35,765 --> 00:08:38,226 There's Charles! Oh, it's gone all the way in! 152 00:08:38,226 --> 00:08:39,227 Oh! 153 00:08:39,227 --> 00:08:41,687 It's a calamitous start for Sunderland. 154 00:08:46,150 --> 00:08:47,109 Two-nil. 155 00:08:48,778 --> 00:08:50,196 And they've got a third! 156 00:08:52,156 --> 00:08:53,616 Too easy for Bolton. 157 00:08:54,951 --> 00:08:56,410 That's a-- Oh, it's an own goal! 158 00:08:59,121 --> 00:09:01,999 Fucking hell! What's going on? 159 00:09:01,999 --> 00:09:05,461 ♪ Sunderland get battered Everywhere they go...♪ 160 00:09:05,461 --> 00:09:07,713 Sunderland fans, they're already streaming for the exit. 161 00:09:07,713 --> 00:09:08,756 Bollocks. 162 00:09:13,177 --> 00:09:14,428 Oh, it's six! 163 00:09:16,514 --> 00:09:18,307 It's Bolton 6, Sunderland nil. 164 00:09:18,933 --> 00:09:20,601 Their biggest defeat in eight years, 165 00:09:20,601 --> 00:09:25,022 and their biggest defeat at the third level of English football. 166 00:09:25,022 --> 00:09:29,443 Disastrous day for Sunderland and for Lee Johnson. 167 00:09:32,780 --> 00:09:37,368 {\an8}Well, I have to obviously start by making a humble apology. Erm... 168 00:09:38,411 --> 00:09:39,495 I'm so upset. 169 00:09:39,996 --> 00:09:43,165 It's the worst game of my career, that's for sure. 170 00:09:43,165 --> 00:09:46,669 And, uh, I don't feel like people deserve it. 171 00:09:46,669 --> 00:09:49,589 I don't feel like the fans deserve it, of course. 172 00:09:50,256 --> 00:09:54,302 Uh, I feel for the staff, you know, that work every minute of every day, 173 00:09:54,302 --> 00:09:59,849 and how hard they work at the AOL to provide for the players and myself. 174 00:10:00,808 --> 00:10:02,685 And we've really let them down today. 175 00:10:13,696 --> 00:10:16,365 Welcome along to the Wise Men Say podcast. 176 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,328 Still drowning my sorrows from yesterday. 177 00:10:22,330 --> 00:10:24,498 Did we wanna see somebody after that game 178 00:10:24,498 --> 00:10:26,709 look like they were about to burst into tears? 179 00:10:27,710 --> 00:10:29,337 Just unforgivable, really. 180 00:10:30,546 --> 00:10:32,089 Six-nil, couldn't believe it. 181 00:10:33,090 --> 00:10:34,383 {\an8}Players-- At one point, 182 00:10:34,383 --> 00:10:37,011 {\an8}the players just didn't even look as though they wanted to play. 183 00:10:37,011 --> 00:10:39,847 {\an8}- It was just weird, wasn't it? - Yeah, it was this weird day. 184 00:10:44,727 --> 00:10:48,481 As usual, it's like a total emotional roller-coaster. 185 00:10:48,481 --> 00:10:50,608 'Cause at Christmas, you're sitting second. 186 00:10:50,608 --> 00:10:56,030 {\an8}So you're thinking there's every chance we're going to go up automatically, 187 00:10:56,030 --> 00:10:58,616 {\an8}then... then we fall off a blinking cliff. 188 00:11:00,076 --> 00:11:01,452 It's just unbelievable. 189 00:11:08,376 --> 00:11:09,377 How are you? 190 00:11:11,379 --> 00:11:13,214 - Kyril, lad, all right? - How are you? 191 00:11:14,382 --> 00:11:16,133 I was extremely worried. 192 00:11:17,343 --> 00:11:19,762 And really, there was a lot of pressure mounting. 193 00:11:21,514 --> 00:11:22,598 The match performance 194 00:11:22,598 --> 00:11:25,393 did not give me the comfort that we were gonna get promoted. 195 00:11:28,437 --> 00:11:31,982 {\an8}You should not lose by those scores with a team like we had. 196 00:11:32,483 --> 00:11:33,359 {\an8}Something is wrong, 197 00:11:33,359 --> 00:11:36,570 {\an8}and sometimes it's a message to the people who make those decisions. 198 00:11:38,906 --> 00:11:41,450 But it's not now. It's been three, four, five matches 199 00:11:41,450 --> 00:11:43,411 insisting on something that doesn't work. 200 00:11:43,411 --> 00:11:45,454 We've been seeing this coming slowly. 201 00:11:47,289 --> 00:11:48,708 So I said to myself, 202 00:11:48,708 --> 00:11:51,794 "We're not gonna make it. We need to try and change things." 203 00:11:54,630 --> 00:11:56,507 Now to major news from League One. 204 00:11:56,507 --> 00:11:58,968 Sunderland have sacked Lee Johnson as head coach 205 00:11:58,968 --> 00:12:01,220 following their six-nil thrashing at Bolton. 206 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,017 The manager has lost his job. 207 00:12:07,017 --> 00:12:10,563 Give me a percentage of how surprised you actually are with this. 208 00:12:10,563 --> 00:12:13,232 We've dropped six points from the winning position. 209 00:12:14,233 --> 00:12:16,444 These are the things the owners have looked at 210 00:12:16,444 --> 00:12:18,028 when they've made this decision. 211 00:12:18,028 --> 00:12:20,781 They will almost certainly have somebody lined up, 212 00:12:20,781 --> 00:12:22,324 given the way it's been done. 213 00:12:23,367 --> 00:12:26,746 Nobody knows where it went wrong with Lee Johnson. It just... 214 00:12:27,246 --> 00:12:28,664 It happened that quick. 215 00:12:29,165 --> 00:12:32,126 It was like, oosh, doosh... Gone. 216 00:12:35,463 --> 00:12:38,924 - Five, six, seven, eight... - Three, four, five... 217 00:12:39,425 --> 00:12:42,303 Lee Johnson gave me everything, really, as a new platform 218 00:12:42,303 --> 00:12:45,139 {\an8}to start my football career again, especially at my age, 219 00:12:45,139 --> 00:12:48,142 {\an8}And I've got nothing but good things to say about him. 220 00:12:48,142 --> 00:12:49,560 Five, six... 221 00:12:49,560 --> 00:12:51,645 And personally, I thought, "Ooh." 222 00:12:52,146 --> 00:12:55,941 "I don't know if... I don't know if they've made the right decision here." 223 00:12:55,941 --> 00:12:59,653 That's what I thought. Especially with being, what, third in the league. 224 00:12:59,653 --> 00:13:03,115 I know we lost six-nil to Bolton, but football can change very quickly. 225 00:13:03,115 --> 00:13:04,867 We can start winning games again. 226 00:13:04,867 --> 00:13:09,955 And I just-- I'm very, very unsure on-- on the decision they've made. 227 00:13:09,955 --> 00:13:10,998 But... 228 00:13:14,418 --> 00:13:16,545 Well, it's been a roller-coaster seven days 229 00:13:16,545 --> 00:13:19,673 at the Stadium of Light since last weekend's catastrophe. 230 00:13:20,925 --> 00:13:24,178 They've got rid of Lee Johnson. and they're sitting in third place. 231 00:13:24,178 --> 00:13:26,222 But when that decision was made, 232 00:13:26,222 --> 00:13:29,767 I thought, wrongly, that they had somebody lined up. 233 00:13:30,267 --> 00:13:33,187 That's-- That's the only way I could see that making sense. 234 00:13:36,649 --> 00:13:38,734 We've got to get out this year. 235 00:13:38,734 --> 00:13:41,654 Any sort of consistency gets you up this division though. 236 00:13:41,654 --> 00:13:42,988 {\an8}Aye, exactly. 237 00:13:42,988 --> 00:13:45,824 {\an8}The majority of Sunderland fans thought we were too big for this league. 238 00:13:45,824 --> 00:13:47,409 {\an8}- We are. - There's nay such thing. 239 00:13:47,409 --> 00:13:50,621 {\an8}- This is our lowest point ever in history. - It is. It is. 240 00:13:50,621 --> 00:13:54,041 {\an8}- It can't really get any worse. - Look at the last ten years. 241 00:13:54,041 --> 00:13:56,252 {\an8}We've had about a new manager every six months? 242 00:13:56,252 --> 00:13:58,879 {\an8}- Aye. Sleeping giant. - Sleeping giant. 243 00:13:58,879 --> 00:14:00,381 Been asleep for a while, haven't we? 244 00:14:01,465 --> 00:14:03,551 - Been hibernating. - I was gonna say. 245 00:14:03,551 --> 00:14:06,512 - In a coma, ain't we? - We'll see what happens today. 246 00:14:07,012 --> 00:14:08,931 Ha'way, lads! 247 00:14:10,015 --> 00:14:11,809 A lot of talk. 17 games left. 248 00:14:11,809 --> 00:14:14,270 If you're gonna get one of the two automatic promotion places, 249 00:14:14,270 --> 00:14:17,565 you've got to win the majority, if not all, 250 00:14:17,565 --> 00:14:19,900 of those 17 matches. And this is the first of them. 251 00:14:19,900 --> 00:14:23,445 This is a critical game against the team who are bottom of League One. 252 00:14:24,613 --> 00:14:26,490 Sunderland are without a manager, 253 00:14:26,490 --> 00:14:30,035 so today, Mike Dodds is in charge as caretaker boss. 254 00:14:39,211 --> 00:14:41,005 Ooh! 255 00:14:47,803 --> 00:14:49,179 Ooh! 256 00:14:55,394 --> 00:14:58,606 Winchester plays it over the top here. Griffiths is in the penalty area. 257 00:14:58,606 --> 00:15:02,651 With his left, scores in the 22nd minute for Doncaster Rovers. 258 00:15:06,030 --> 00:15:06,947 Down here. 259 00:15:06,947 --> 00:15:09,366 Oh and two-nil, Rowe scores. 260 00:15:10,492 --> 00:15:11,911 Unbelievable. 261 00:15:12,411 --> 00:15:14,747 I'm not surprised, Nick. I'm telling you now. 262 00:15:14,747 --> 00:15:16,624 {\an8}- Lots of questions. 263 00:15:16,624 --> 00:15:19,460 {\an8}- Not many answers at the moment. 264 00:15:23,505 --> 00:15:27,009 It's a bad defeat for Sunderland. And if they don't go up this season, 265 00:15:27,009 --> 00:15:30,262 it's not just a disaster for the team and the fans. 266 00:15:30,262 --> 00:15:32,431 The entire city suffers. 267 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:40,147 Other than me family and me friends, 268 00:15:40,648 --> 00:15:44,401 {\an8}Sunderland is the only other constant in me life. 269 00:15:44,401 --> 00:15:47,613 It's been there since the second I can remember, 270 00:15:47,613 --> 00:15:50,240 and it'll be there 'til the day I die. 271 00:15:57,831 --> 00:15:59,041 No matter what happens, 272 00:15:59,541 --> 00:16:02,169 you can't say anything else but Sunderland is everything. 273 00:16:10,469 --> 00:16:11,679 It's a one-club town. 274 00:16:13,514 --> 00:16:16,892 So, if Sunderland are doing well, then the town tends to be doing well, 275 00:16:16,892 --> 00:16:19,520 and the atmosphere is good, and people are happy. 276 00:16:20,229 --> 00:16:23,482 If the club are doing badly, then the town is doing badly, 277 00:16:23,482 --> 00:16:25,651 and people's mental health gets affected. 278 00:16:26,193 --> 00:16:27,987 People are depressed. 279 00:16:30,823 --> 00:16:32,241 When I get in the water, 280 00:16:32,825 --> 00:16:35,536 the cold water, it's just such a release. 281 00:16:36,495 --> 00:16:37,413 It's so cold 282 00:16:38,455 --> 00:16:39,373 that you're not-- 283 00:16:39,373 --> 00:16:43,085 you haven't got time to think about, like, the stuff that's on your mind. 284 00:16:44,211 --> 00:16:45,713 The stresses and strains, 285 00:16:45,713 --> 00:16:47,756 whatever you've got going on at the minute. 286 00:16:48,549 --> 00:16:50,134 Your survival mode kicks in. 287 00:16:50,843 --> 00:16:53,012 You get taught from a wee age, "Oh, just get on with it." 288 00:16:53,012 --> 00:16:56,223 That's a sort of "man up" scenario, isn't it? You know what I mean? 289 00:16:56,223 --> 00:17:00,352 Our city's built on industry, and that's what we are, aren't we? 290 00:17:00,352 --> 00:17:01,562 - We're just-- - Graft. 291 00:17:01,562 --> 00:17:05,399 We're... We're a product of our, uh, environment. 292 00:17:05,399 --> 00:17:08,569 You know, hard, cold. 293 00:17:09,737 --> 00:17:14,450 As you lads know, I suffer pretty badly with mental health issues. 294 00:17:15,033 --> 00:17:18,787 And things like having a bit of a community... 295 00:17:19,288 --> 00:17:21,749 and whether that's I have to get in the sea, 296 00:17:21,749 --> 00:17:24,626 or I need to go to the next match. 297 00:17:27,546 --> 00:17:29,506 I want to see who scores the next goal. 298 00:17:29,506 --> 00:17:33,594 And because I've been brought up with just going to the match, 299 00:17:33,594 --> 00:17:35,053 and it's in me blood, 300 00:17:35,637 --> 00:17:39,266 there's something somewhere that just drags you back from the brink. 301 00:17:45,981 --> 00:17:49,234 We've had some lean years, like the last few years in League One. 302 00:17:49,234 --> 00:17:50,486 But for us, 303 00:17:51,445 --> 00:17:54,198 it's something you can, like, throw your hope into. 304 00:17:59,828 --> 00:18:01,955 Daddy, daddy! 305 00:18:01,955 --> 00:18:05,167 Just three days after their defeat to Doncaster, 306 00:18:05,167 --> 00:18:07,628 and Sunderland come up against Cheltenham away, 307 00:18:07,628 --> 00:18:10,631 {\an8}still without a manager in place. 308 00:18:10,631 --> 00:18:13,342 {\an8}Big challenge tonight, this game for Sunderland. 309 00:18:13,342 --> 00:18:17,888 Dodds comes out to further discussion with Phil Jevons, as Etete finds May. 310 00:18:17,888 --> 00:18:19,223 Oh, and then scores. 311 00:18:21,517 --> 00:18:24,311 {\an8}Cheltenham Town have beaten Sunderland 2-1. 312 00:18:24,812 --> 00:18:26,730 {\an8}It's a third defeat in a row for Sunderland. 313 00:18:26,730 --> 00:18:29,024 It's heaping pressure on Kyril Louis-Dreyfus, 314 00:18:29,024 --> 00:18:31,777 who needs to appoint a new manager. 315 00:18:31,777 --> 00:18:36,115 The fans want answers. The fans want someone in place. 316 00:18:37,699 --> 00:18:40,327 And the other issue is this, Roy Keane. 317 00:18:40,911 --> 00:18:45,124 The whole thought of Roy Keane coming back is an appetizing one for all of us. 318 00:18:45,124 --> 00:18:47,835 One thing is certain. If Roy Keane comes back, 319 00:18:47,835 --> 00:18:49,378 there will never be a dull moment. 320 00:18:49,378 --> 00:18:51,630 Of course, everybody's gone Roy Keane mad. 321 00:18:51,630 --> 00:18:53,882 Roy Keane, where are ya?! 322 00:18:54,383 --> 00:18:58,595 Sunderland's conversion from relegation candidates in the autumn 323 00:18:58,595 --> 00:19:00,472 to champions in the spring. 324 00:19:01,390 --> 00:19:03,684 Great story this, isn't it? Sunderland fans will be excited. 325 00:19:04,434 --> 00:19:07,729 Looks like Roy Keane could be on his way back as manager. 326 00:19:07,729 --> 00:19:09,189 I feel like he could do it again. 327 00:19:09,189 --> 00:19:11,066 With the squad we have, he could do it again. 328 00:19:12,442 --> 00:19:15,028 He would kick some arse. 329 00:19:17,072 --> 00:19:19,908 {\an8}I find him funny, in all honesty, like when he's on Monday Night Football. 330 00:19:19,908 --> 00:19:22,578 {\an8}He's got a good perception of football. Been there and done it. 331 00:19:22,578 --> 00:19:25,539 I wouldn't let him on the bus afterward. Get a taxi back to Manchester. 332 00:19:25,539 --> 00:19:28,292 I would be swinging punches at that guy. 333 00:19:28,292 --> 00:19:29,585 You do your job. 334 00:19:29,585 --> 00:19:32,379 Clearly, quite an intimidating character. 335 00:19:33,463 --> 00:19:36,550 Lots of speculation linking you with the Sunderland job. 336 00:19:36,550 --> 00:19:39,094 I've got no control over that. 337 00:19:39,094 --> 00:19:41,680 So, uh, no comment. 338 00:19:48,937 --> 00:19:50,480 Back down through. 339 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,066 And work hard to keep these engaged the whole time through. 340 00:19:53,066 --> 00:19:54,776 Good, and then... Yeah. 341 00:19:54,776 --> 00:19:57,029 So we're gonna go eights. Yeah. 342 00:19:57,029 --> 00:19:58,780 - How's that feeling? - Good. 343 00:19:59,656 --> 00:20:03,452 It was the first pre-season game, I fell over, put my arm down. 344 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,955 As my left arm hit the ground, it's just popped out. 345 00:20:07,497 --> 00:20:08,665 I was in agony. 346 00:20:08,665 --> 00:20:10,876 And the physio's just kind of come on quickly. 347 00:20:10,876 --> 00:20:13,545 Uh, kind of tipped me over and just pulled down. 348 00:20:13,545 --> 00:20:16,381 It's just gone... and just gone back straight into place. 349 00:20:16,381 --> 00:20:18,967 And you're just gonna go-- Yeah, through your fingertips. 350 00:20:18,967 --> 00:20:20,844 Just lift those two weights, okay? 351 00:20:20,844 --> 00:20:23,013 So just reset for me. So basically... 352 00:20:23,013 --> 00:20:26,725 So after your first one, there's an 85% chance of a re-dislocation. 353 00:20:26,725 --> 00:20:29,686 {\an8}But the season was about to start, so we kind of thought, 354 00:20:29,686 --> 00:20:31,021 {\an8}"All right, what do we do?" 355 00:20:31,021 --> 00:20:33,857 {\an8}Uh, we didn't have time to have three months out, you know? 356 00:20:33,857 --> 00:20:36,777 The gaffer actually turned around to me and said, "I need ya." 357 00:20:36,777 --> 00:20:38,904 - Yeah, doing okay with that? - Yeah. 358 00:20:38,904 --> 00:20:40,656 So I said, "Let's play on then." 359 00:20:49,414 --> 00:20:51,583 My shoulder coming out became normal. 360 00:20:53,502 --> 00:20:56,046 I was going through games now in survival mode. 361 00:20:57,798 --> 00:21:00,175 To pick up the points, put it back in, let's go. 362 00:21:03,887 --> 00:21:06,848 I had people trying to pull it out at corners. 363 00:21:10,352 --> 00:21:12,604 Their manager was telling people to target me. 364 00:21:15,232 --> 00:21:17,317 That was probably the final straw for me. 365 00:21:19,486 --> 00:21:20,737 I needed the surgery. 366 00:21:22,406 --> 00:21:23,532 I'm all done! 367 00:21:24,283 --> 00:21:26,201 Probably one of my lowest moments was, 368 00:21:26,702 --> 00:21:29,371 you know, I couldn't-- couldn't hold my little girl. 369 00:21:32,624 --> 00:21:33,959 And I couldn't play football. 370 00:21:35,419 --> 00:21:37,546 That's when the injury really hit me hard. 371 00:21:41,300 --> 00:21:43,635 I sometimes came in, people asked, "How you doing?" 372 00:21:43,635 --> 00:21:45,178 I said, "I'm great." 373 00:21:45,679 --> 00:21:46,722 But I wasn't. 374 00:21:50,517 --> 00:21:52,394 I just broke down in the basement. 375 00:21:54,146 --> 00:21:57,774 As a footballer, you get dropped, you get told to work harder. 376 00:21:58,567 --> 00:22:00,319 You fall over, you get told to get up. 377 00:22:02,279 --> 00:22:05,490 When I got injured, I just said, "Right, just keep going." 378 00:22:09,036 --> 00:22:12,581 And I think the biggest thing from what I've learnt 379 00:22:12,581 --> 00:22:16,293 is that I think sometimes we need to stop. 380 00:22:32,934 --> 00:22:35,687 Okay, the breaking news is that Roy Keane 381 00:22:35,687 --> 00:22:38,607 is no longer in the running for the Sunderland job 382 00:22:38,607 --> 00:22:41,651 after the two parties couldn't come to an agreement. 383 00:22:41,651 --> 00:22:44,905 Yeah, Hayley, it's not the news Sunderland supporters wanted to hear. 384 00:22:44,905 --> 00:22:48,784 But that move for the Irishman broke down last night. 385 00:22:48,784 --> 00:22:51,036 Everyone wanted Roy Keane back. 386 00:22:51,036 --> 00:22:54,122 So it was like, "Oh my God, here we go again." 387 00:22:54,122 --> 00:22:55,999 I'm so, so sick of it. 388 00:22:57,417 --> 00:23:00,337 Roy going into Sunderland with this owner, 389 00:23:00,837 --> 00:23:02,798 who's finding his way around the football world-- 390 00:23:02,798 --> 00:23:05,425 Irrespective of how much money he's got, 391 00:23:05,425 --> 00:23:08,220 he's a young man, and you can't buy experience. We've all been there. 392 00:23:08,220 --> 00:23:10,263 Erm, you've gotta learn your trade. 393 00:23:10,764 --> 00:23:12,432 We need a manager in charge. 394 00:23:12,432 --> 00:23:14,476 Whoever does go through that door, 395 00:23:14,476 --> 00:23:17,896 players have gotta react to that manager as soon as he does walk through there. 396 00:23:17,896 --> 00:23:20,607 The Roy Keane potential at Sunderland 397 00:23:20,607 --> 00:23:23,151 played out much more in the media 398 00:23:23,151 --> 00:23:26,738 than it really did in conversations that we had in the club. 399 00:23:27,406 --> 00:23:30,200 The second we did make the change with-- 400 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,994 I knew that there was gonna be criticism in the moment. 401 00:23:32,994 --> 00:23:34,955 But the only thing that I tried to do 402 00:23:34,955 --> 00:23:38,917 is to make the decisions that I feel are the right ones for the football club. 403 00:23:39,418 --> 00:23:44,089 I think Roy Keane will have been fun, definitely good for the Netflix series, 404 00:23:44,089 --> 00:23:49,678 but maybe we had a third season of disastrous finishing. 405 00:23:50,303 --> 00:23:52,514 I mean, I always thought, and I say as well, 406 00:23:52,514 --> 00:23:54,307 when things are not going well, 407 00:23:54,808 --> 00:23:58,061 it's really, really difficult for the players to continue playing. 408 00:23:58,061 --> 00:24:01,398 When you are younger, when you are not an insider, 409 00:24:01,398 --> 00:24:04,443 when you come from a... a different situation, 410 00:24:04,443 --> 00:24:07,821 people look at you with doubt and suspicion. 411 00:24:08,989 --> 00:24:10,949 Getting out of League One, 412 00:24:10,949 --> 00:24:14,744 some people say it's probably the toughest league out there. 413 00:24:14,744 --> 00:24:16,746 And you immediately have the thoughts, 414 00:24:16,746 --> 00:24:19,708 "One more year in League One. What does it mean for the people?" 415 00:24:19,708 --> 00:24:23,044 "What does it mean for the players? What does it mean for us as owners?" 416 00:24:23,044 --> 00:24:26,256 So it's always nice to be a little bit of an outsider. 417 00:24:26,256 --> 00:24:28,008 To have something to... to prove. 418 00:24:28,925 --> 00:24:30,969 And he will prove by results. 419 00:24:37,517 --> 00:24:38,852 You're gonna win, huh? 420 00:24:40,270 --> 00:24:41,396 Go, go, go! Quick! 421 00:24:43,648 --> 00:24:45,609 Being at this football club in League One, 422 00:24:45,609 --> 00:24:47,694 there's that expectancy to go up. 423 00:24:48,195 --> 00:24:52,574 {\an8}And when you've got that pressure of delivering for a full city, 424 00:24:52,574 --> 00:24:55,452 it can be difficult at times, especially when it's not going well. 425 00:24:56,411 --> 00:24:59,539 Obviously, I played in all those seasons 426 00:24:59,539 --> 00:25:03,251 where we'd been relegated, and... and I felt all that pain. 427 00:25:03,835 --> 00:25:06,338 And I always wanted to achieve that goal 428 00:25:06,338 --> 00:25:09,716 of trying to get the club back in the right direction. 429 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:15,055 Coming over as a ten-year-old boy and then a 26-year-old man, 430 00:25:15,055 --> 00:25:16,348 it's a long time. 431 00:25:17,140 --> 00:25:19,643 It's all I've kind of known, is playing for Sunderland, 432 00:25:19,643 --> 00:25:23,104 and this is the last six months of my... of my contract at Sunderland. 433 00:25:23,104 --> 00:25:24,189 So it's... 434 00:25:24,773 --> 00:25:27,275 It's a chance to try and earn a contract here 435 00:25:27,275 --> 00:25:29,194 and get back in the team and play well. 436 00:25:29,194 --> 00:25:31,571 'Cause I've got... I've got two kids, I've got a young family. 437 00:25:31,571 --> 00:25:33,198 I've gotta make sure I look after them. 438 00:25:35,367 --> 00:25:38,620 Sometimes, you think about, "Is this where I'm meant to be?" 439 00:25:40,997 --> 00:25:42,040 Who knows? 440 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,047 Run. Come on, then. 441 00:25:56,388 --> 00:25:58,765 It's always daunting joining a new club. 442 00:25:59,766 --> 00:26:01,851 I signed under Lee Johnson. 443 00:26:02,602 --> 00:26:05,397 Then obviously, Lee Johnson got sacked, like, two days after. 444 00:26:05,397 --> 00:26:08,024 And I was thinking, like, "What have I got myself in for here?" 445 00:26:08,024 --> 00:26:09,150 Quick one-two. 446 00:26:09,150 --> 00:26:11,736 And I was just thinking it was just gonna be another, like... 447 00:26:11,736 --> 00:26:15,240 Like the loans I'd been on previously. Like, a nothing loan, achieve nothing. 448 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,034 I was doubting it, to be honest. I was doubting the decision. 449 00:26:20,370 --> 00:26:22,747 Like, I wouldn't say morale was shit, but, like, 450 00:26:23,498 --> 00:26:26,167 things that you'd associate with this club in the past 451 00:26:26,167 --> 00:26:27,669 were starting to, like... 452 00:26:27,669 --> 00:26:30,338 Were starting to, like, come back up again. 453 00:26:30,338 --> 00:26:32,215 And obviously, watching the documentary 454 00:26:32,215 --> 00:26:35,176 and seeing, like, what went on behind the scenes, 455 00:26:35,176 --> 00:26:37,512 And I'd been told that it's gonna be nothing like that, 456 00:26:37,512 --> 00:26:40,557 and then coming into it, and it's sort of, like, it's feeling like that. 457 00:26:42,017 --> 00:26:42,976 So I was just like, 458 00:26:43,727 --> 00:26:46,146 Like, "Nah, I can't... can't with this." 459 00:26:47,897 --> 00:26:50,025 The key thing that changed was we realized 460 00:26:50,025 --> 00:26:52,944 we're not gonna finish in the top two anymore. 461 00:26:54,029 --> 00:26:55,989 Our metrics that we tracked 462 00:26:56,489 --> 00:26:59,159 showed that the team wasn't performing well enough. 463 00:26:59,909 --> 00:27:04,289 So we changed the strategy from "how can we finish in the top two?" 464 00:27:04,289 --> 00:27:06,583 to "we need to finish in the top six 465 00:27:06,583 --> 00:27:11,379 and peak at the end of May to win difficult playoff games." 466 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,133 Because the playoffs are the last chance to get promoted. 467 00:27:15,884 --> 00:27:18,720 I felt that I have to try and find a manager 468 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,348 who has experience at playoffs before 469 00:27:21,348 --> 00:27:22,766 and has also won them. 470 00:27:29,522 --> 00:27:31,649 - Is that him? - Yeah, that's him. 471 00:27:34,444 --> 00:27:35,320 Yeah. 472 00:27:37,781 --> 00:27:40,325 Big news in the last half an hour from League One. 473 00:27:40,325 --> 00:27:43,620 Sunderland have appointed Alex Neil as their new head coach. 474 00:27:43,620 --> 00:27:46,790 It comes just days after Roy Keane had walked away from talks, 475 00:27:46,790 --> 00:27:48,917 having failed to agree personal terms. 476 00:27:48,917 --> 00:27:51,711 Sunderland reached an agreement with Neil last night. 477 00:27:51,711 --> 00:27:56,132 The 40-year-old agreeing a rolling 12-month contract at the Stadium of Light. 478 00:27:56,132 --> 00:27:59,678 Neil has been out of management since he left his role as Preston boss 479 00:27:59,678 --> 00:28:01,304 in March last year. 480 00:28:02,097 --> 00:28:04,224 And one more time. Nice and sharp... 481 00:28:05,767 --> 00:28:07,727 When you're out of work as a manager, 482 00:28:07,727 --> 00:28:10,772 you go from arguably being the most important person in the club 483 00:28:10,772 --> 00:28:13,274 to then sitting in the house on your own. 484 00:28:15,193 --> 00:28:17,070 You're looking at results everywhere. 485 00:28:17,070 --> 00:28:18,988 You're looking at what might become available, 486 00:28:18,988 --> 00:28:22,242 what might be a next opportunity for yourself. 487 00:28:22,242 --> 00:28:25,036 {\an8}To be honest, I found out about the Sunderland job like everybody else, 488 00:28:25,036 --> 00:28:26,246 {\an8}through Sky Sports. 489 00:28:27,622 --> 00:28:29,749 I'd been out of work for about 11 months at that point, 490 00:28:29,749 --> 00:28:31,626 and I knew I needed to get back in 491 00:28:32,293 --> 00:28:34,504 because the longer you're out, the more you're forgotten. 492 00:28:35,004 --> 00:28:37,048 So I just spoke to my agent. 493 00:28:37,048 --> 00:28:40,885 I just said to him, "Listen, can we find out if there's any interest there?" 494 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,763 League One wasn't really the level I wanted to go to. 495 00:28:43,763 --> 00:28:46,307 You know, I made that quite clear at the time. Uh... 496 00:28:46,307 --> 00:28:49,185 But I just felt the scope for this club 497 00:28:49,185 --> 00:28:51,771 and what I think it can become, 498 00:28:51,771 --> 00:28:54,190 I just thought was too much an opportunity to turn down 499 00:28:54,190 --> 00:28:55,859 if there was an interest there. 500 00:28:57,152 --> 00:28:58,361 Come on. 501 00:28:58,361 --> 00:29:01,531 I think when a manager change happens, there's natural disruption there. 502 00:29:02,532 --> 00:29:06,494 Lee, being the previous manager, had built good relationships with some players. 503 00:29:06,494 --> 00:29:09,747 Some of the key players were disappointed that Lee had left at that point. 504 00:29:09,747 --> 00:29:10,749 Two. 505 00:29:15,712 --> 00:29:20,008 You need to try and take rid of all the negativity as quickly as possible. 506 00:29:21,009 --> 00:29:23,928 I have a bit of a positive outlook on where the team actually was. 507 00:29:23,928 --> 00:29:26,723 We weren't languishing at the bottom half of the table. 508 00:29:27,432 --> 00:29:30,685 That was key for me to make sure that I got that across 509 00:29:30,685 --> 00:29:32,145 and change that type of mentality, 510 00:29:32,145 --> 00:29:35,565 and change how we viewed ourselves and what we're capable of doing. 511 00:29:37,859 --> 00:29:41,070 Alex Neil, he is officially in charge of Sunderland today. 512 00:29:41,070 --> 00:29:44,616 They're looking over their shoulders at those challenging them for a playoff spot. 513 00:29:44,616 --> 00:29:47,535 Alex Neil needs to turn things round and do so quickly. 514 00:29:50,580 --> 00:29:52,540 Up steps Luke McCormick, 515 00:29:52,540 --> 00:29:54,542 and he puts Wimbledon in front, 516 00:29:54,542 --> 00:29:56,961 right in front of the Sunderland fans. 517 00:29:57,879 --> 00:29:59,756 Free kick with his right. Curls-- 518 00:29:59,756 --> 00:30:01,049 Goal! 519 00:30:05,386 --> 00:30:08,431 {\an8}Well, it's all over. The full-time whistle blown. 520 00:30:09,641 --> 00:30:13,019 {\an8}I thought we were naive in our play at times. We know we need to do better. 521 00:30:13,019 --> 00:30:17,106 But listen, it's a platform in terms of, we didn't lose the game, we got a point. 522 00:30:17,106 --> 00:30:18,942 Diabolical, again. 523 00:30:19,943 --> 00:30:23,363 One time, you would've put your mortgage on we're gonna get promotion. 524 00:30:23,863 --> 00:30:26,407 But now, this is as far as we're going to get, 525 00:30:26,407 --> 00:30:28,493 and another season in this league. 526 00:30:30,495 --> 00:30:32,455 I mean, the run doesn't get any easier. 527 00:30:32,455 --> 00:30:34,082 We've got MK Dons coming up next week. 528 00:30:34,082 --> 00:30:36,167 But this team's gotta get some momentum. 529 00:30:36,167 --> 00:30:39,712 - Head into the playoffs on the upward. - Absolutely. 530 00:30:39,712 --> 00:30:42,423 It's why this afternoon's game is such an important one, as you said. 531 00:30:43,091 --> 00:30:45,134 Alex Neil, his first game at Stadium of Light. 532 00:30:45,134 --> 00:30:47,971 Came out to a very muted reception. 533 00:30:49,347 --> 00:30:52,183 And it's put through for Eisa. Eisa on the break here now. 534 00:30:52,183 --> 00:30:54,727 Eisa at the edge of the penalty area. Rolls it in. 535 00:30:54,727 --> 00:30:55,853 There you go. 536 00:30:55,853 --> 00:30:56,938 It's one-nil. 537 00:30:58,940 --> 00:31:01,067 Wickham comes in and he scores. 538 00:31:01,067 --> 00:31:03,194 - Bottom right corner. - [commentator 2] Unbelievable. 539 00:31:03,820 --> 00:31:05,029 Horrendous. 540 00:31:05,822 --> 00:31:09,075 {\an8}It's a massive victory for MK Dons. 541 00:31:09,075 --> 00:31:12,203 {\an8}A painful defeat for Alex Neil. 542 00:31:12,203 --> 00:31:15,206 Sunderland drop out of the top six tonight. 543 00:31:16,541 --> 00:31:19,919 It's a big dent for Sunderland in their promotion push. 544 00:31:20,795 --> 00:31:23,715 They don't know how to win. You know, the confidence is shot. 545 00:31:23,715 --> 00:31:27,427 The way we are sinking, you're not even gonna get into the playoffs. 546 00:31:31,639 --> 00:31:33,933 Is this one gonna be fired goalwards? It is! 547 00:31:33,933 --> 00:31:36,269 - - Burton take the lead. 548 00:31:36,269 --> 00:31:37,812 {\an8}Boo. 549 00:31:37,812 --> 00:31:41,649 {\an8}To that reaction, Alex Neil looks down towards the ground. 550 00:31:41,649 --> 00:31:43,443 We are totally embarrassing. 551 00:31:43,443 --> 00:31:45,361 There's gonna be big questions asked. 552 00:31:45,361 --> 00:31:46,821 Not just of the ownership, 553 00:31:46,821 --> 00:31:49,282 but the people making them decisions on the football side. 554 00:31:49,282 --> 00:31:52,243 On the pitch, what is your immediate reaction to tonight's game? 555 00:31:52,243 --> 00:31:53,620 Uh-- Erm... 556 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,789 I don't wanna repeat myself. It's hard. There's certainly frustration. 557 00:31:57,874 --> 00:31:59,751 It's a reality check about the season. 558 00:31:59,751 --> 00:32:02,086 What we've got to do now is finish in the top six, 559 00:32:02,086 --> 00:32:04,172 take our chances in the playoffs. 560 00:32:05,256 --> 00:32:07,967 Well, the story here is that they've failed to take advantage 561 00:32:07,967 --> 00:32:10,386 of a number of good chances. 562 00:32:10,386 --> 00:32:13,598 {\an8}You know, we keep saying it can't get any worse. 563 00:32:14,307 --> 00:32:17,518 {\an8}We should be talking about how many goals are we going to win by, 564 00:32:17,518 --> 00:32:20,813 not, "Oh, if we've got a draw, it's a good result!" 565 00:32:21,856 --> 00:32:25,944 People want answers again about who is making the decisions. 566 00:32:25,944 --> 00:32:27,236 Well, who is? 567 00:32:27,236 --> 00:32:29,697 That's the question. 568 00:32:29,697 --> 00:32:31,532 Everybody's got an opinion. 569 00:32:32,033 --> 00:32:33,993 As a leader, you gotta hold your nerve. 570 00:32:34,869 --> 00:32:37,288 With Kyril, you've got someone who's resolute 571 00:32:37,288 --> 00:32:40,667 {\an8}and believes in what he's doing and in the approach we've taken. 572 00:32:40,667 --> 00:32:43,461 {\an8}The most difficult thing I think to do is when you make a decision 573 00:32:43,461 --> 00:32:46,339 {\an8}and choose to do something differently, you gotta stand by it. 574 00:32:51,469 --> 00:32:54,138 Lean into your chest, rebound as high as you can, yeah? 575 00:32:54,138 --> 00:32:56,182 Okay, yeah. 576 00:32:59,143 --> 00:33:00,937 Last one. 577 00:33:03,815 --> 00:33:05,650 Go on. Fast. Fast. Fast. 578 00:33:06,734 --> 00:33:09,028 You'll never see Luke down, ever. 579 00:33:09,028 --> 00:33:09,946 Like ever. 580 00:33:10,446 --> 00:33:14,117 It's, like, impossible how, like, positive he is about life in general. 581 00:33:14,117 --> 00:33:15,660 Control that downward phase. 582 00:33:15,660 --> 00:33:18,287 The last game, we were playing Charlton at Charlton, 583 00:33:18,287 --> 00:33:21,791 and I wanted to start incorporating Luke into the squad, but he wasn't fit. 584 00:33:21,791 --> 00:33:25,169 so I said to him, "Look, listen, I'd love to take you down to Charlton with us." 585 00:33:25,753 --> 00:33:27,380 "Just want you to be in amongst the players 586 00:33:27,380 --> 00:33:29,841 because you're gonna be important for the run-in in the games, 587 00:33:29,841 --> 00:33:31,884 and you're gonna get yourself in the team." 588 00:33:31,884 --> 00:33:34,679 And his reaction was, "I'd love it, 589 00:33:34,679 --> 00:33:37,390 and I'm gonna be the best 19th man you've ever seen." 590 00:33:37,390 --> 00:33:40,393 Go on, quickly, quickly, quickly, Contact's good... 591 00:33:40,393 --> 00:33:41,894 That's infectious. 592 00:33:41,894 --> 00:33:44,063 And it's so good for the group and so good for the team 593 00:33:44,063 --> 00:33:45,523 because he's such a team player. 594 00:33:46,524 --> 00:33:49,068 Off the back of that, he trains really, really hard 595 00:33:49,068 --> 00:33:51,362 to get an opportunity and be part of the team. 596 00:33:52,196 --> 00:33:55,450 We started real slow, built up confidence. 597 00:33:55,450 --> 00:33:57,493 That, he just puts in there to laugh at me. 598 00:33:57,493 --> 00:34:00,496 - Does that mean I'm back? - That means you're back. 599 00:34:11,340 --> 00:34:13,384 - How are we? - Well deserved. Well deserved. 600 00:34:13,384 --> 00:34:15,219 Thank you very much. Thank you very much. 601 00:34:15,219 --> 00:34:17,096 How are we? Kev. Bosh. 602 00:34:17,972 --> 00:34:19,015 I'm back. 603 00:34:21,559 --> 00:34:25,146 You know, of the remaining games, what we've got left it's our cup finals. 604 00:34:25,146 --> 00:34:26,606 Starting tonight. 605 00:34:26,606 --> 00:34:30,568 It's a game which... A draw's no good for us, you know. 606 00:34:30,568 --> 00:34:32,612 You know, we've got to look on it on the... 607 00:34:32,612 --> 00:34:35,865 if we want to get into that playoffs, you've got to win tonight. 608 00:34:37,742 --> 00:34:39,911 Niall's been... been to Wembley a few times. 609 00:34:39,911 --> 00:34:43,706 He's, uh, seen quite a lot of defeats during that time, unfortunately. 610 00:34:43,706 --> 00:34:45,124 Obviously, the top two is gonna be 611 00:34:45,124 --> 00:34:47,752 {\an8}a bit much for us to get now, with other teams playing so well. 612 00:34:47,752 --> 00:34:49,587 {\an8}But hopefully, we'll get in the playoff spots. 613 00:34:50,254 --> 00:34:52,673 This year, we'll be able to take him down and see his first win 614 00:34:52,673 --> 00:34:54,634 in Wembley as a Sunderland supporter. 615 00:34:54,634 --> 00:34:56,844 - Scoreline? - Uh, two-one. 616 00:34:56,844 --> 00:34:58,221 - Two-one? - One-nil. 617 00:34:58,221 --> 00:34:59,889 One nil. Five-nil. 618 00:35:04,393 --> 00:35:05,937 Number nine 619 00:35:06,771 --> 00:35:08,773 will be Jack Clarke. 620 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,317 Number eight, Elliot Embleton. 621 00:35:17,365 --> 00:35:21,494 {\an8}...as the referee leads out the two teams 622 00:35:22,286 --> 00:35:25,748 for a game that Sunderland really do have to win. 623 00:35:25,748 --> 00:35:30,002 They've got ten games left this season, and they're looking over their shoulders. 624 00:35:30,002 --> 00:35:33,339 They've slipped out of the playoffs again. 625 00:35:33,339 --> 00:35:37,385 And they can go back up into the top six tonight. 626 00:35:37,385 --> 00:35:38,594 {\an8}Come on! 627 00:35:42,265 --> 00:35:44,225 But they need to get in that top six, 628 00:35:44,225 --> 00:35:47,186 and they need to consolidate that top six. 629 00:35:49,564 --> 00:35:50,940 Come on, that's better! 630 00:35:50,940 --> 00:35:53,401 Come on! Come on! 631 00:35:57,780 --> 00:35:58,865 - Come on! - Go on, son! 632 00:35:58,865 --> 00:35:59,782 Come on! 633 00:36:00,283 --> 00:36:01,993 Go on, get it up the pitch! 634 00:36:02,577 --> 00:36:05,163 Wright. Played back, passed well this time. 635 00:36:05,663 --> 00:36:07,790 This time and-- Harrison scores. 636 00:36:07,790 --> 00:36:09,542 Ha'way! 637 00:36:10,042 --> 00:36:13,004 Jesus Christ Almighty, man. 638 00:36:13,838 --> 00:36:15,131 Fucking hell, man! 639 00:36:16,382 --> 00:36:17,967 Well, it was a mistake. 640 00:36:17,967 --> 00:36:20,052 Bailey Wright puts his head in his hands. 641 00:36:20,052 --> 00:36:21,429 Harrison pounced, 642 00:36:21,429 --> 00:36:24,891 and in the 28th minute, Fleetwood Town take the lead. 643 00:36:27,852 --> 00:36:29,478 Fight now. Fight! 644 00:36:30,605 --> 00:36:33,691 ...won just one in eight league matches, Sunderland. 645 00:36:37,528 --> 00:36:38,946 Ha'way, lads. 646 00:36:48,331 --> 00:36:49,707 Go on, Jack. 647 00:36:49,707 --> 00:36:51,792 Clarke now, dribbling into the penalty area. 648 00:36:51,792 --> 00:36:54,045 Low ball, punched away. 649 00:37:00,218 --> 00:37:02,803 They've got it! Sunderland. 650 00:37:03,471 --> 00:37:06,557 - Has the ball gone in? - Put in, I think by Elliot Embleton. 651 00:37:06,557 --> 00:37:08,267 - Embleton. Great stuff. - Wow. 652 00:37:08,267 --> 00:37:09,810 Embleton gets the equalizer. 653 00:37:09,810 --> 00:37:12,271 Exactly the response he was looking for. 654 00:37:12,813 --> 00:37:16,150 ♪ Sunderland FC! ♪ 655 00:37:16,984 --> 00:37:18,986 Now they've got to build on this. 656 00:37:22,281 --> 00:37:25,493 They've got steamed up. 657 00:37:27,578 --> 00:37:28,579 Here he comes. 658 00:37:33,793 --> 00:37:35,169 Get him on. I love him. 659 00:37:50,017 --> 00:37:51,602 - Go on. Go on, son. - Go on, son. 660 00:37:55,856 --> 00:37:58,484 - Boo! - What you doing, man? Fucking hell! 661 00:37:58,484 --> 00:37:59,402 Oh, you... 662 00:37:59,402 --> 00:38:01,153 - Hey, he fucking let it go! - Two. 663 00:38:01,153 --> 00:38:02,530 - Two! - Two of them! 664 00:38:02,530 --> 00:38:03,531 Two down-- 665 00:38:03,531 --> 00:38:05,491 What's this arsehole doing? 666 00:38:06,534 --> 00:38:07,576 Come on! 667 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:09,078 Fuck off. 668 00:38:09,662 --> 00:38:11,831 - Now, go. Go! - Come on! 669 00:38:11,831 --> 00:38:14,792 And O'Nien now heads it down in the middle. 670 00:38:14,792 --> 00:38:18,462 Gets it to Clarke, then gets it back now from Defoe. 671 00:38:20,756 --> 00:38:22,967 And now with O'Nien through to Defoe. 672 00:38:24,301 --> 00:38:26,762 Defoe's shot blocked. 673 00:38:30,349 --> 00:38:33,894 Luke O'Nien, shot it into the bottom corner! 674 00:38:33,894 --> 00:38:37,648 And Luke O'Nien is back with a goal! 675 00:38:37,648 --> 00:38:40,776 And he's back to give Sunderland a 2-1 lead. 676 00:38:41,485 --> 00:38:43,529 When that ball hit the back of the net, 677 00:38:44,030 --> 00:38:46,407 the emotion was just at an all-time high. 678 00:38:47,116 --> 00:38:50,911 My teammates that have just been there for me. 679 00:38:53,372 --> 00:38:55,583 {\an8}It was just magic. 680 00:38:57,293 --> 00:38:59,128 {\an8}It's a much needed win for Sunderland, 681 00:38:59,128 --> 00:39:01,839 but they're still in a dog fight to make the top six. 682 00:39:02,882 --> 00:39:05,926 There are nine crucial games until the end of the season, 683 00:39:05,926 --> 00:39:08,220 and the team finally has some momentum. 684 00:39:08,220 --> 00:39:12,224 ♪ By far the greatest team The world has ever seen ♪ 685 00:39:13,517 --> 00:39:16,937 A bit of football now. Sunderland's chairman, Kyril Louis-Dreyfus, 686 00:39:16,937 --> 00:39:20,733 has revealed that he doesn't hold the majority of the club's shares. 687 00:39:21,233 --> 00:39:24,111 In fact, collectively, the previous owners have more. 688 00:39:24,111 --> 00:39:26,405 Kyril Louis-Dreyfus only holds 41% 689 00:39:26,405 --> 00:39:29,366 and is not the controlling influence within the boardroom. 690 00:39:29,366 --> 00:39:31,243 Fans feel hoodwinked. 691 00:39:31,243 --> 00:39:34,163 {\an8}What was believed to be a takeover 692 00:39:34,163 --> 00:39:36,207 {\an8}has turned out to be a makeover. 693 00:39:36,207 --> 00:39:38,793 It means nothing's changed. 694 00:39:38,793 --> 00:39:41,087 It means we've been lied to, it means we've been misled. 695 00:39:41,087 --> 00:39:42,380 It's just shocking. 696 00:39:42,380 --> 00:39:44,924 What's-- What's going on? It's just a big mystery.