1 00:00:13,500 --> 00:00:16,541 I'm David Farrier, a journalist from New Zealand, 2 00:00:17,041 --> 00:00:20,375 investigating dark tourist hot spots around the world, 3 00:00:20,875 --> 00:00:24,208 places that are made famous by death and disaster. 4 00:00:25,250 --> 00:00:27,500 This time, I'm back in America... 5 00:00:27,583 --> 00:00:31,583 No, I can tell I'm in Hollywood 'cause literally everyone here is filming us. 6 00:00:31,666 --> 00:00:34,583 ..where I go on the trail of the grisly Manson murders. 7 00:00:34,666 --> 00:00:37,208 [Charles Manson] I want you to go in and kill everyone in the house. 8 00:00:37,833 --> 00:00:39,916 I'm curious about why you wanna be like Louis, 9 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,250 the famous guy who runs around and does great documentaries! 10 00:00:43,333 --> 00:00:45,375 Well, now you're getting personal. 11 00:00:45,750 --> 00:00:48,083 I prepare for the end of the world as we know it. 12 00:00:48,541 --> 00:00:50,500 [man] Yeah, hit him with the bat! Hit him with the bat. 13 00:00:50,833 --> 00:00:52,458 Get out of here! Get! 14 00:00:53,916 --> 00:00:57,500 And I experience the scariest horror house in the world. 15 00:00:57,583 --> 00:01:00,791 [man] This is scary? You don't know what scary is yet! 16 00:01:04,541 --> 00:01:08,208 [David Farrier] Nobody said it was all fun when you're investigating dark tourism. 17 00:01:08,291 --> 00:01:10,291 [theme music playing] 18 00:01:31,333 --> 00:01:33,541 I start my journey in California. 19 00:01:39,708 --> 00:01:42,958 [man] When this case broke in December of 1969, it became... 20 00:01:43,041 --> 00:01:46,333 [Farrier] You can take a tour of just about anything here, 21 00:01:46,416 --> 00:01:48,625 so no wonder it's a dark tourism mecca. 22 00:01:49,458 --> 00:01:52,458 And the more grisly the attraction, the bigger the business. 23 00:01:53,166 --> 00:01:56,958 [man] On August 8th and 9th of 1969, seven murders were committed 24 00:01:57,041 --> 00:01:58,791 by a group of kids in their 20s, 25 00:01:58,875 --> 00:02:01,250 and these kids became known as the Manson Family. 26 00:02:01,791 --> 00:02:04,500 [Farrier] I'm here to find out why the Manson murders 27 00:02:04,583 --> 00:02:07,333 became one of America's biggest crime stories 28 00:02:07,708 --> 00:02:11,041 and to meet the people still obsessed with it nearly 50 years on. 29 00:02:11,125 --> 00:02:13,125 [man] Seven people, brutally murdered... 30 00:02:13,208 --> 00:02:17,083 The Manson murders took place in the wealthy suburbs of Hollywood. 31 00:02:18,791 --> 00:02:21,583 The seven victims were viciously stabbed to death 32 00:02:21,958 --> 00:02:24,166 and included actress Sharon Tate, 33 00:02:24,250 --> 00:02:26,625 wife of Hollywood director Roman Polanski. 34 00:02:27,041 --> 00:02:30,416 [man] One of the most sensational murder trials in American history. 35 00:02:30,500 --> 00:02:32,041 [man] ...was a so-called religious cult. 36 00:02:32,125 --> 00:02:34,291 [Farrier] The media went into a frenzy, 37 00:02:34,375 --> 00:02:36,291 proclaiming the murders were carried out 38 00:02:36,375 --> 00:02:38,833 by brainwashed hippies called the Manson Family. 39 00:02:39,500 --> 00:02:43,333 The man who was accused of ordering the killings, and their ringleader, 40 00:02:43,416 --> 00:02:46,375 was the terrifying and charismatic Charles Manson. 41 00:02:46,458 --> 00:02:49,916 Believe me, if I started murdering people... 42 00:02:51,541 --> 00:02:53,541 there'd be none of you left. 43 00:02:57,166 --> 00:03:00,875 [man] Manson had picked up these runaways, basically drugged them up, 44 00:03:00,958 --> 00:03:02,500 so much so, they lost their mind. 45 00:03:03,291 --> 00:03:05,000 [Farrier] This is the Helter Skelter Tour, 46 00:03:06,041 --> 00:03:07,625 and for the last 11 years, 47 00:03:07,708 --> 00:03:11,125 it's been a big hit with Manson-curious dark tourists. 48 00:03:11,208 --> 00:03:15,375 If you look on our right, that massive house stands where the Tate house was. 49 00:03:18,125 --> 00:03:20,208 [Farrier] As well as taking us to the murder sites, 50 00:03:20,291 --> 00:03:24,291 the tour also plays chilling sound recordings from witnesses 51 00:03:24,375 --> 00:03:26,500 to make the experience more real. 52 00:03:26,583 --> 00:03:29,916 [woman] And then I started hearing, like, just horrible screaming. 53 00:03:30,166 --> 00:03:34,208 And that's when I saw Wojciech Frykowski being murdered, 54 00:03:34,541 --> 00:03:35,375 slaughtered, 55 00:03:35,958 --> 00:03:37,000 knifed. 56 00:03:39,750 --> 00:03:42,125 [Farrier] I find all the lurid details unsettling, 57 00:03:43,041 --> 00:03:45,875 and wonder if it's the same for the other dark tourists. 58 00:03:46,666 --> 00:03:50,333 Why did you guys come on a tour like this and not go to the beach for the day? 59 00:03:50,416 --> 00:03:53,875 When the first night happened, I lived in North Hollywood. 60 00:03:54,458 --> 00:03:57,000 And... we never locked the front door. 61 00:03:57,500 --> 00:04:01,000 After the first night of killings, the door was locked every time. 62 00:04:01,083 --> 00:04:02,291 Mm-hmm. 63 00:04:02,375 --> 00:04:03,541 He was a nutjob. 64 00:04:04,291 --> 00:04:06,458 -I mean, a huge nutjob. -Yeah. 65 00:04:08,875 --> 00:04:12,000 After 48 years, Manson remains in prison 66 00:04:12,958 --> 00:04:15,166 and remains America's boogeyman. 67 00:04:18,791 --> 00:04:22,458 I can't figure out how Manson had such a hold on his followers 68 00:04:22,958 --> 00:04:24,458 and why they'd murder for him. 69 00:04:25,416 --> 00:04:29,250 I wanted to find out more about him, to separate the man from the myth. 70 00:04:30,750 --> 00:04:34,458 But back at the hotel, something truly unexpected happens. 71 00:04:35,541 --> 00:04:39,666 We begin with breaking news tonight. Infamous killer Charles Manson has died. 72 00:04:39,750 --> 00:04:42,958 At 8:13, word that he died of natural causes, 73 00:04:43,041 --> 00:04:45,041 under guard at a California hospital. 74 00:04:46,833 --> 00:04:49,875 [Farrier] Charles Manson is dead, aged 83. 75 00:04:49,958 --> 00:04:52,250 [woman] Charles Manson, the infamous cult leader... 76 00:04:52,333 --> 00:04:53,833 [Farrier] The media goes berserk. 77 00:04:53,916 --> 00:04:56,250 [woman] The most dangerous man in America. 78 00:04:56,333 --> 00:04:58,458 [man] We reconvened the panel hearing of Charles... 79 00:04:58,750 --> 00:05:01,833 [Farrier] Then, in amongst the hundreds of commentators 80 00:05:01,916 --> 00:05:03,416 -telling us what Manson meant, -[bubbling] 81 00:05:04,041 --> 00:05:05,500 one guy caught my eye. 82 00:05:06,875 --> 00:05:08,583 The aptly named Stoner 83 00:05:08,666 --> 00:05:12,041 runs one of the most popular YouTube channels about Manson. 84 00:05:12,125 --> 00:05:16,125 Stoner van Houten here, paying my respects to Charles Manson, who passed away. 85 00:05:16,208 --> 00:05:19,250 While you celebrate his death, I'll celebrate his life, so fuck you. 86 00:05:20,625 --> 00:05:21,833 [coughs] 87 00:05:23,250 --> 00:05:26,750 [Farrier] This was someone with a completely different take on Manson. 88 00:05:27,416 --> 00:05:29,291 He seemed to even admire the man. 89 00:05:29,791 --> 00:05:30,708 Why? 90 00:05:35,041 --> 00:05:39,458 So I head to the edge of Los Angeles, to a former Manson Family hideout, 91 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,500 the notorious Spahn Ranch, where Stoner takes tours. 92 00:05:45,750 --> 00:05:48,500 This is so strange, isn't it? What a place to be. 93 00:05:50,250 --> 00:05:51,208 I'm David. 94 00:05:52,208 --> 00:05:54,500 -Stoner, is it? -Awesome. Pleasure to meet you. 95 00:05:54,583 --> 00:05:56,916 [Farrier] There's no tour today, but when I arrive, 96 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:01,250 I'm greeted by a 4:20 candlelit vigil for the late Charles Manson, 97 00:06:01,958 --> 00:06:04,125 and people filming our every move. 98 00:06:04,750 --> 00:06:07,500 Who else is here? A few people filming us here as well. 99 00:06:07,583 --> 00:06:09,541 Are we gonna be on a blog or something? 100 00:06:09,625 --> 00:06:13,958 Yeah, these are people that are probably from Facebook, from Instagram, 101 00:06:14,041 --> 00:06:15,125 from YouTube. 102 00:06:15,208 --> 00:06:19,208 I'll tell you right now, everyone here actually respects Charles Manson. 103 00:06:19,583 --> 00:06:22,208 I can tell I'm not in New Zealand, I'm in Hollywood, 104 00:06:22,291 --> 00:06:24,500 because literally everyone here is filming us. 105 00:06:24,958 --> 00:06:27,958 Why did you guys come here? I'm curious why everyone came here. 106 00:06:28,041 --> 00:06:30,125 Pay respects. He's a human being. 107 00:06:30,708 --> 00:06:33,875 [Farrier] Like Stoner, these are all fans of Manson. 108 00:06:34,375 --> 00:06:37,916 But I'm keen to know why Stoner sees Manson as someone to look up to. 109 00:06:38,875 --> 00:06:40,208 I don't know Charles Manson. 110 00:06:40,875 --> 00:06:43,625 He never answered any of my mail. I've sent him plenty. 111 00:06:43,708 --> 00:06:48,333 But if I was in a room with him right now, I'd look him in the eye and say thank you. 112 00:06:48,833 --> 00:06:51,916 Thank you very much, because if I was not doing this, 113 00:06:52,541 --> 00:06:55,958 if I wasn't doing the tours or anything involved with him, 114 00:06:56,041 --> 00:06:57,500 I would be in prison right now. 115 00:06:57,583 --> 00:06:59,083 What did you go to prison for? 116 00:07:01,500 --> 00:07:03,875 -If you can say. -Well... 117 00:07:04,500 --> 00:07:06,541 -Let me just think for one second. -Hmm. 118 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:17,291 Originally, I was charged with mayhem with intent to disfigure. 119 00:07:17,916 --> 00:07:21,750 [Farrier] Stoner says his time in prison and struggles with methamphetamine, 120 00:07:22,041 --> 00:07:25,041 gave him an insight into the mindset of the Manson Family. 121 00:07:25,583 --> 00:07:28,166 But you saw parallels with what you were going through? 122 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,000 -What was that? -You saw parallels. Well, in hindsight. 123 00:07:33,500 --> 00:07:38,291 Right. See, I've been a part of bad drug deals. And I've been ripped off of drugs. 124 00:07:38,375 --> 00:07:39,750 So, to me, it's not that hard 125 00:07:39,833 --> 00:07:42,958 to realize that this case is probably just as simple as a bad drug deal. 126 00:07:43,041 --> 00:07:44,791 I'm not bullshitting you, man. 127 00:07:46,250 --> 00:07:48,666 [Farrier] Stoner doesn't believe Manson is evil. 128 00:07:48,750 --> 00:07:52,208 Instead, he's simply a misunderstood and unlucky guy 129 00:07:52,291 --> 00:07:53,875 and kind of an inspiration. 130 00:07:56,458 --> 00:08:00,125 As it gets dark, Stoner agrees to give me a bit of his tour. 131 00:08:00,625 --> 00:08:03,291 We leave the vigil site with his whole posse, 132 00:08:03,375 --> 00:08:06,416 to go to the highlight of the ranch tour, the cave. 133 00:08:06,500 --> 00:08:09,833 And here's the cave where all nine members of the Manson Family sat, 134 00:08:09,916 --> 00:08:14,083 and this is the number one most photographed thing here at Spahn Ranch. 135 00:08:14,875 --> 00:08:18,833 This was the photo that appeared in the famous Life magazine story. 136 00:08:19,375 --> 00:08:22,791 What were they up to down here? Like, having sex parties? 137 00:08:22,875 --> 00:08:25,208 Yes. What, you don't think sex parties go on now? 138 00:08:25,291 --> 00:08:27,125 Never been part of an orgy? I have. 139 00:08:27,208 --> 00:08:30,208 -I haven't actually. -I'm just saying, though, man. 140 00:08:30,291 --> 00:08:32,416 Yeah, they go on. Yeah, that's not unusual. 141 00:08:32,500 --> 00:08:36,166 This is where Manson Family members actually would sit. 142 00:08:37,250 --> 00:08:40,833 I wonder why they picked this place to take the photo. I guess it's just-- 143 00:08:40,916 --> 00:08:44,500 Think about it, they had nine people, you could stretch them all out. 144 00:08:44,583 --> 00:08:47,916 -I'm actually sitting where Danny is. -It's a nice frame for a photo. 145 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,708 Where he's sitting, that's where Ruth was sitting. 146 00:08:50,791 --> 00:08:53,083 Then you had Sandy. You know, they're all here. 147 00:08:57,041 --> 00:08:59,708 [Farrier] This is a truly bizarre experience. 148 00:09:00,041 --> 00:09:03,458 But I still can't see how someone who destroyed so many lives 149 00:09:03,541 --> 00:09:05,250 could ever be seen as a role model. 150 00:09:07,583 --> 00:09:10,791 It strikes me Stoner is a diehard Manson fan, 151 00:09:11,250 --> 00:09:12,583 but he never met Manson. 152 00:09:13,333 --> 00:09:15,916 I want to talk to one of Manson's friends. 153 00:09:21,958 --> 00:09:24,375 The next day, there's a new development. 154 00:09:24,833 --> 00:09:27,291 A guy called Michael Channels has been named 155 00:09:27,375 --> 00:09:29,416 as the main recipient in Manson's will, 156 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:31,916 and the one who'll get Manson's body. 157 00:09:32,750 --> 00:09:34,750 But there's a bidding war for his story 158 00:09:34,833 --> 00:09:36,791 and he's refusing to talk to the media. 159 00:09:38,208 --> 00:09:42,291 Luckily for me, Stoner knows him and he persuades Michael to meet me. 160 00:09:42,375 --> 00:09:44,333 -[rings] -But there's a catch. 161 00:09:44,416 --> 00:09:45,416 [Stoner van Houten] This is what I did. 162 00:09:45,500 --> 00:09:48,583 I talked to Michael and basically all it's come down to is 163 00:09:48,666 --> 00:09:51,916 that he will do an interview tomorrow at his house. 164 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,625 You cannot ask him anything about Manson's death. 165 00:09:54,708 --> 00:09:58,416 We can talk about him like Manson's alive and you can ask any questions you want. 166 00:09:58,500 --> 00:10:00,916 -All good, Stoner. Good as gold. -All right. 167 00:10:04,041 --> 00:10:07,208 [Farrier] The next day, I'm driving to meet Charles Manson's heir. 168 00:10:09,583 --> 00:10:11,791 And I'm as nervous as I am excited. 169 00:10:14,583 --> 00:10:17,750 Stoner meets us at Michael's house to do the introductions. 170 00:10:19,166 --> 00:10:20,458 -[Farrier] Hello. -[Michael Channels] Come on in. 171 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:22,916 -Michael, I'm David. -Hi, how are you? 172 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,250 -Nice to meet you. Heard a lot about you. -Thank you. Have a seat. 173 00:10:26,833 --> 00:10:29,333 [Farrier] The atmosphere is incredibly awkward, 174 00:10:29,416 --> 00:10:32,666 and I instantly forget the one rule of our meeting. 175 00:10:32,750 --> 00:10:34,750 How are you? Are you sorry for your-- 176 00:10:34,833 --> 00:10:36,208 No, don't talk about that. 177 00:10:36,500 --> 00:10:37,958 No... All right. 178 00:10:38,041 --> 00:10:39,875 -How are you doing? -Good, thanks. 179 00:10:40,833 --> 00:10:43,375 I guess I just wanted to know 180 00:10:43,458 --> 00:10:46,750 how you came to be Charles Manson's friend. 181 00:10:47,416 --> 00:10:50,041 I wanted to get his autograph, so I started writing him. 182 00:10:50,125 --> 00:10:50,958 Okay. 183 00:10:51,625 --> 00:10:54,083 About 50 letters I wrote, he never wrote me back. 184 00:10:54,166 --> 00:10:57,291 But I kept on writing him letters and telling him about myself. 185 00:10:57,666 --> 00:10:58,833 We had a lot in common. 186 00:10:59,541 --> 00:11:03,875 We have a lot in common as far as human beings go, as people go, you know? 187 00:11:03,958 --> 00:11:08,875 Things like we grew up very poor, we were raised in second-hand clothes. 188 00:11:08,958 --> 00:11:13,166 I had a really strict grandmother who was really religious, she believed in Jesus, 189 00:11:13,250 --> 00:11:15,375 and that's how Manson's grandmother was, too. 190 00:11:15,458 --> 00:11:17,750 So we have a lot of connections, a lot in common, 191 00:11:17,833 --> 00:11:21,125 and after about the 50th letter, then he wrote me 192 00:11:21,208 --> 00:11:24,458 just to say, "Hey, how are you doing?" and signed his name. I was happy with the autograph, but then I was more intrigued with the Manson. 193 00:11:28,208 --> 00:11:30,208 I wanted to meet the boogeyman. 194 00:11:30,291 --> 00:11:33,375 That was my next step, I really want to meet the boogeyman now. 195 00:11:33,833 --> 00:11:36,958 [Farrier] Because Michael relates to Manson so closely, 196 00:11:37,041 --> 00:11:40,250 he thinks that everyone should just cut Manson some slack. 197 00:11:40,333 --> 00:11:45,041 Was there anything in your correspondence with him that made you think he had regret 198 00:11:45,125 --> 00:11:46,500 for any of his actions? He didn't do anything. 199 00:11:48,541 --> 00:11:51,041 He didn't do anything to regret. He really didn't! 200 00:11:51,458 --> 00:11:54,250 -He didn't have that-- -Which is your main point, right? 201 00:11:54,333 --> 00:11:58,166 -That he wasn't involved in any murders. -He didn't feel he had anything to regret. 202 00:11:58,250 --> 00:12:00,166 Hmm. I mean, the-- 203 00:12:00,250 --> 00:12:03,000 There's a lot of other people over there that have a lot of things to regret. 204 00:12:03,083 --> 00:12:06,083 There's, like, 40 people they could be asking that question to. 205 00:12:06,166 --> 00:12:09,833 But they always go straight to Charlie like he was the leader or something. 206 00:12:09,916 --> 00:12:11,416 He wasn't really even a leader! 207 00:12:11,500 --> 00:12:13,416 I mean, it was the Manson Family. 208 00:12:13,500 --> 00:12:17,333 It was the whole, entire... a group of people collaborating together, 209 00:12:17,416 --> 00:12:19,250 all talking about one thing. 210 00:12:19,333 --> 00:12:21,541 They went and did it, and Manson got the blame. 211 00:12:22,041 --> 00:12:24,625 That's how it worked... even if he wasn't there. 212 00:12:25,416 --> 00:12:26,250 But he lives... 213 00:12:26,333 --> 00:12:30,125 [Farrier] Michael is incredibly intense, and it's hard to get a word in. 214 00:12:30,833 --> 00:12:32,916 But is this because he knows the truth 215 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:36,416 or because he's been blinded by a charismatic and evil man? 216 00:12:37,125 --> 00:12:39,583 Or is he just a guy who's mourning a good friend? 217 00:12:39,666 --> 00:12:43,250 And I'm not a Manson follower, I'm Manson's friend. 218 00:12:43,333 --> 00:12:45,666 I'm his... legitimate friend. 219 00:12:45,750 --> 00:12:49,375 If you get a friend, I hope you stick by him through thick and thin. 220 00:12:49,458 --> 00:12:52,916 No matter what they go through, I hope you stick by them. 221 00:12:53,458 --> 00:12:55,166 Because if you don't, you're a dirtbag. 222 00:12:55,250 --> 00:12:58,333 That's how I look at it. That's how I was raised, how he was raised. 223 00:12:58,833 --> 00:13:02,125 And I'm just trying to stand by that, as a friend. 224 00:13:02,208 --> 00:13:04,458 What is it about people that want to... 225 00:13:04,750 --> 00:13:06,333 -I'm curious about you! -...get close to-- 226 00:13:06,416 --> 00:13:09,375 I'm curious about why you want to be like Louis, 227 00:13:09,458 --> 00:13:14,125 the famous guy who runs around and does great documentaries, 228 00:13:14,208 --> 00:13:16,125 -who I got hooked on. -Now you're getting nasty. 229 00:13:16,208 --> 00:13:18,750 -You wanna be like Louis! -Now you're getting personal. 230 00:13:18,833 --> 00:13:21,333 -No, it's true. -Now you're getting personal, too! 231 00:13:21,416 --> 00:13:24,208 -No, that's... -We're on the other foot now, eh? 232 00:13:24,291 --> 00:13:26,416 Sorry if I offended you with that question. 233 00:13:26,500 --> 00:13:29,708 No, you didn't. It's funny. I get the Louis thing a lot. 234 00:13:30,041 --> 00:13:32,708 I'm like the cheap version of Louis Theroux. 235 00:13:33,166 --> 00:13:35,750 -You know? -I didn't say you were the cheap version! 236 00:13:35,833 --> 00:13:38,041 And you don't have to be the cheap version. 237 00:13:38,125 --> 00:13:40,583 If you shoot to be, you can be, man. 238 00:13:40,666 --> 00:13:44,916 That's how the media puts stuff on, right there. He never used the word "cheap." 239 00:13:47,375 --> 00:13:50,375 [Farrier] I'm still not sure if it was an insult or a compliment. 240 00:13:50,458 --> 00:13:53,708 Whatever happened... it feels like it cleared the air a little. 241 00:13:54,208 --> 00:13:56,750 You guys are cool. If you were dickheads, you'd be gone by now. 242 00:13:57,666 --> 00:13:59,916 [Farrier] Michael starts to show me around. 243 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,875 He gets out photos from one of his many visits to Manson in prison. 244 00:14:04,333 --> 00:14:05,916 They're surprisingly touching. 245 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:09,166 What's happening here? Tell me about when these were taken. 246 00:14:09,250 --> 00:14:12,541 Just us messing around. He's a real posey kind of guy. 247 00:14:12,625 --> 00:14:16,000 Almost like before Facebook selfies, that's what we were doing there. 248 00:14:16,083 --> 00:14:17,458 He could have a laugh? 249 00:14:17,541 --> 00:14:22,166 Yeah, so would the guards and everybody else and the people taking the picture. 250 00:14:22,625 --> 00:14:25,500 [Farrier] But Michael's most important memorial to his friend is a book that he's painstakingly putting together. 251 00:14:28,541 --> 00:14:31,000 -Just go to one... -It's meant to set the record straight, 252 00:14:31,083 --> 00:14:33,416 but I wonder if he's just too close. 253 00:14:33,833 --> 00:14:37,083 When you... balance up the good and the bad, 254 00:14:37,166 --> 00:14:40,541 do you think he is someone that is worth... 255 00:14:41,083 --> 00:14:42,791 remembering and... 256 00:14:43,583 --> 00:14:45,708 I guess, putting out there into the world? 257 00:14:46,208 --> 00:14:48,541 Or is he someone that we're better to... 258 00:14:49,916 --> 00:14:52,875 -to forget about? -What a terrible question to ask a friend. 259 00:14:52,958 --> 00:14:56,125 Man, that's a really weird question to ask a friend. 260 00:14:56,208 --> 00:14:57,250 I know what you mean. 261 00:14:57,333 --> 00:15:00,916 I'm not offended, but I just don't know how to answer that kind of question. 262 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,958 Hell, yeah, I think he needs to be remembered, and if it comes down to me, 263 00:15:04,041 --> 00:15:06,958 he ain't gonna die ever until I die. 264 00:15:07,416 --> 00:15:09,458 Because I'll tell everybody that wants to listen. 265 00:15:10,250 --> 00:15:11,666 -Yeah. -You know? 266 00:15:12,458 --> 00:15:16,500 Remember him? I'm gonna remember him. He's my friend. I'll remember him forever. 267 00:15:21,666 --> 00:15:25,000 I leave Michael and Stoner with a lot to think about. 268 00:15:32,916 --> 00:15:35,541 I came here to learn more about Charles Manson 269 00:15:35,625 --> 00:15:38,458 and the people retelling his story 50 years on. 270 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,000 The media demonizes Manson, 271 00:15:41,083 --> 00:15:42,583 and maybe rightly so. 272 00:15:43,208 --> 00:15:45,333 Manson was definitely not a good guy, 273 00:15:45,791 --> 00:15:47,666 but after meeting Michael and Stoner, 274 00:15:47,750 --> 00:15:50,250 I understand that not everyone sees him that way. 275 00:15:51,083 --> 00:15:54,291 What we can agree on is that Manson was an outsider who's always attracted fans, followers and misfits. 276 00:15:58,291 --> 00:15:59,875 And that hasn't changed. 277 00:16:05,583 --> 00:16:07,458 For the next leg of this tour, 278 00:16:07,541 --> 00:16:12,208 I head to Kentucky to look at a dark tourism trend of biblical proportions. 279 00:16:15,291 --> 00:16:19,083 There's a growing number of Americans who think the end of the world is coming. 280 00:16:20,958 --> 00:16:22,708 They're called doomsday preppers. 281 00:16:23,875 --> 00:16:27,208 The very first and most successful prepper was a chap called Noah. 282 00:16:28,333 --> 00:16:32,500 99.9% of humanity died in the biblical flood, 283 00:16:32,583 --> 00:16:34,500 but he and his family made it through. 284 00:16:36,083 --> 00:16:36,916 Man... 285 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:41,875 Which makes this giant replica of the Ark the ultimate dark tourist hot spot 286 00:16:42,833 --> 00:16:45,875 and an inspiration for a whole new generation of preppers. 287 00:16:47,125 --> 00:16:49,250 I'm hoping this trip will help me understand 288 00:16:49,333 --> 00:16:51,541 the people gearing up for the next apocalypse. 289 00:16:53,041 --> 00:16:54,208 It's the scale of it. 290 00:16:54,666 --> 00:16:56,041 -[woman] Yeah. -It is incredible, isn't it? 291 00:16:56,125 --> 00:16:58,250 It is. It really is. It's... you know... 292 00:16:58,666 --> 00:17:01,708 That's one of the things I tell people when I drive up to it. 293 00:17:02,041 --> 00:17:03,500 It's massive. 294 00:17:03,583 --> 00:17:05,750 I like that you've got a sign here saying "Ark." 295 00:17:06,208 --> 00:17:07,583 In case you missed it? 296 00:17:07,666 --> 00:17:09,250 I guess. [laughs] 297 00:17:10,041 --> 00:17:13,750 Dr. Georgia Purdom works here and shows me around. 298 00:17:14,041 --> 00:17:18,041 I want her to show me how the greatest prepper of all time pulled it off. 299 00:17:18,125 --> 00:17:21,833 One of the roles I had in being a molecular geneticist and a biologist 300 00:17:21,916 --> 00:17:24,958 is really looking at how did Noah fit those animals on the Ark? 301 00:17:25,041 --> 00:17:27,791 You know, I mean, granted, it's a very big structure, 302 00:17:27,875 --> 00:17:30,291 but there are a lot of animals in the world today-- 303 00:17:30,375 --> 00:17:31,625 -There are. -How did he do that? 304 00:17:31,708 --> 00:17:32,708 How did they get on board? 305 00:17:33,500 --> 00:17:35,166 It's like the world's biggest zoo. 306 00:17:35,833 --> 00:17:38,750 [Georgia Purdom] We would estimate around 7,000 animals. 307 00:17:39,166 --> 00:17:41,791 These are examples of the animals that were on the Ark? 308 00:17:41,875 --> 00:17:43,625 Correct. Yes. And some of them, 309 00:17:43,708 --> 00:17:46,500 like this kind, we don't have it anymore here. 310 00:17:46,958 --> 00:17:47,791 [Farrier] Right. 311 00:17:49,583 --> 00:17:51,583 This kind are actually dinosaurs. 312 00:17:52,375 --> 00:17:55,875 Science says they've been extinct for 65 million years. 313 00:17:56,541 --> 00:17:59,541 So I'm not sure how Noah was able to get them on a boat 314 00:17:59,625 --> 00:18:01,958 just four and a half thousand years ago. 315 00:18:02,041 --> 00:18:03,875 If you're gonna be a skeptic about the Ark, 316 00:18:03,958 --> 00:18:06,083 I think the thing that always gets people is dinosaurs. 317 00:18:06,166 --> 00:18:08,583 -Sure. -Are they mentioned in the Bible? 318 00:18:09,250 --> 00:18:11,750 Not specifically by name, but you have to consider 319 00:18:11,833 --> 00:18:15,041 that the word "dinosaur" didn't come around until about 1841. 320 00:18:15,125 --> 00:18:18,083 Now, we do have the word "dragon" in the Bible quite a bit, 321 00:18:18,166 --> 00:18:19,875 probably talking about dinosaurs. 322 00:18:19,958 --> 00:18:21,875 'Cause I'm a big fan of Jurassic Park, 323 00:18:21,958 --> 00:18:24,375 and obviously dinosaurs and humans didn't get on. 324 00:18:24,458 --> 00:18:26,458 Surely dinosaurs would be top of the food chain. 325 00:18:26,541 --> 00:18:28,666 So, before Adam and Eve sinned, 326 00:18:28,750 --> 00:18:31,250 God had told the animals, and Adam and Eve, 327 00:18:31,333 --> 00:18:33,958 to only eat, basically, fruits and veggies. 328 00:18:34,041 --> 00:18:35,875 -Only to eat green things. -Vegetarians. 329 00:18:35,958 --> 00:18:38,666 Everything was originally, yes, vegetarian. 330 00:18:40,333 --> 00:18:41,625 [Farrier] While I'm still trying 331 00:18:41,708 --> 00:18:44,708 to get my head around the idea of vegan dinosaurs, 332 00:18:44,791 --> 00:18:49,333 we quickly move on to the terrible state of humanity in the lead-up to the flood. 333 00:18:49,625 --> 00:18:52,958 This is clearly designed to parallel the sins of today's world. 334 00:18:53,208 --> 00:18:55,791 -Okay, this is where things really go bad. -Right. 335 00:18:55,875 --> 00:18:59,875 Again, the Bible doesn't give us a lot of information specifically, 336 00:18:59,958 --> 00:19:03,250 but it does say that man's thoughts were only evil continually. 337 00:19:04,041 --> 00:19:06,208 Bit of a sex party happening here. 338 00:19:06,291 --> 00:19:10,125 Yeah. Adulterous relationships, homosexual relationships, 339 00:19:10,208 --> 00:19:13,416 different kinds of things that the Bible directly speaks against. 340 00:19:13,791 --> 00:19:16,833 [Farrier] And Georgia says many of the same things are happening now, 341 00:19:16,916 --> 00:19:18,541 and God won't be happy. 342 00:19:19,208 --> 00:19:22,750 So, is that something we need to be worried about, do you think? 343 00:19:22,833 --> 00:19:26,458 I think non-Christians, yes, definitely need to be concerned about that 344 00:19:26,541 --> 00:19:28,500 because there is another judgment coming. And it will be by fire, not by flood. 345 00:19:31,083 --> 00:19:34,125 -So it's going to be fire this time? -Fire will destroy the Earth. 346 00:19:34,208 --> 00:19:35,541 It will be burnt up, so... 347 00:19:36,041 --> 00:19:37,041 I'm done for. 348 00:19:38,250 --> 00:19:39,083 Correct. 349 00:19:41,791 --> 00:19:44,250 [Farrier] I'm not convinced about the story of Noah, 350 00:19:44,666 --> 00:19:48,375 but I can see how it might scare people into wanting to prepare for the worst. 351 00:19:52,583 --> 00:19:55,916 Who are the modern-day Noahs actually putting this into practice? 352 00:19:57,583 --> 00:19:59,625 I track down a prepper in Virginia. 353 00:20:00,708 --> 00:20:04,333 Jay runs weekend courses to help other families protect themselves 354 00:20:04,416 --> 00:20:05,958 from the coming apocalypse. 355 00:20:07,291 --> 00:20:08,666 -Hello. -Hey, how's it going? 356 00:20:08,750 --> 00:20:10,208 -I'm David. -Jay. 357 00:20:10,291 --> 00:20:11,458 -Hi. -Hi! I'm Holly. Good to meet you. Welcome. 358 00:20:12,791 --> 00:20:14,291 You guys are preppers. 359 00:20:14,750 --> 00:20:17,000 -Yes, we are. -You're not what I imagined 360 00:20:17,083 --> 00:20:20,875 as doomsday preppers, you're quite... You seem very suburban. 361 00:20:20,958 --> 00:20:22,291 Are you saying we're normal? 362 00:20:22,375 --> 00:20:25,375 You seem fairly normal! That's what I was trying to say in an awkward way. 363 00:20:25,875 --> 00:20:30,458 How long have you guys been prepping for and thinking about the end of the world? 364 00:20:30,541 --> 00:20:34,208 Actually since about 2001 is when we got really serious about preparedness, 365 00:20:34,291 --> 00:20:35,750 right around September 11th. 366 00:20:35,833 --> 00:20:38,875 So September 11th was a bit of a trigger? 367 00:20:39,166 --> 00:20:41,166 It was part of it for me, definitely. 368 00:20:41,250 --> 00:20:43,791 I was working as a law enforcement officer at the time, 369 00:20:43,875 --> 00:20:48,541 and it was definitely an event that really changed the world kind of as we know it. 370 00:20:48,625 --> 00:20:52,958 When I was in the Ark, I was thinking Noah was almost the original doomsday prepper. 371 00:20:53,041 --> 00:20:56,125 He was almost the first guy doing that to the ultimate level. 372 00:20:56,208 --> 00:20:59,875 You could look at it that way. He did, he was preparing for, literally... 373 00:20:59,958 --> 00:21:02,500 For him, that was an end of the world scenario. 374 00:21:03,166 --> 00:21:06,541 At some point, the Bible says that Jesus is gonna return to Earth. We believe that. 375 00:21:06,625 --> 00:21:08,083 The Bible clearly says 376 00:21:08,166 --> 00:21:10,916 it's gonna be the worst tribulation the Earth has ever seen. 377 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,291 -So, worse than Noah's flood. -It sounds terrifying! 378 00:21:15,625 --> 00:21:19,208 Jay seems to be prepping for humans turning on themselves, 379 00:21:19,291 --> 00:21:22,000 rather than God lighting the world on fire, 380 00:21:22,083 --> 00:21:24,125 which makes a bit more sense to me. 381 00:21:24,208 --> 00:21:27,750 This is the master bedroom. It doesn't normally look like this, of course. 382 00:21:27,833 --> 00:21:30,708 -So this is, what, being prepared for... -Yes. 383 00:21:30,791 --> 00:21:32,875 -...any kind of bad scenario? -Exactly. 384 00:21:32,958 --> 00:21:35,708 Literally, the normal function of society has been interrupted. 385 00:21:36,041 --> 00:21:38,958 I want to learn how to protect myself, 'cause I am useless. 386 00:21:39,041 --> 00:21:40,333 I'll be the first to die. 387 00:21:41,125 --> 00:21:42,916 So... Yep. Good. 388 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,833 -That's how-- -That's satisfying. What is it about guns? 389 00:21:46,916 --> 00:21:48,791 This feeling of satisfaction? 390 00:21:48,875 --> 00:21:50,958 -I don't know if it's satis-- -Or something. 391 00:21:51,041 --> 00:21:54,416 For me, I don't look at these as toys. I don't look at these as playthings. 392 00:21:54,791 --> 00:21:56,958 For me, when you say "a sense of satisfaction," 393 00:21:57,333 --> 00:21:59,208 what I get out of it is that I can defend myself. 394 00:21:59,291 --> 00:22:03,541 You're making me sound like... the outrageous gun guy now. 395 00:22:04,833 --> 00:22:08,416 Jay's whole house is designed to be prepared for anything. 396 00:22:08,500 --> 00:22:12,291 We've got tons of medical gear here. These are what we call our "go bags." 397 00:22:12,375 --> 00:22:13,583 A lot of jarred goods. 398 00:22:13,666 --> 00:22:15,875 This makes about five gallons of potatoes. 399 00:22:16,833 --> 00:22:19,750 [Farrier] I'm invited to attend one of Jay's training courses 400 00:22:19,833 --> 00:22:21,458 for like-minded neighbors. 401 00:22:21,958 --> 00:22:25,666 I want you mentally to be ready to do what you have to do in order to survive. 402 00:22:26,083 --> 00:22:29,041 But what that may mean is hurting another human being. 403 00:22:29,125 --> 00:22:32,708 We struggle with that in New Zealand 'cause we're very polite. 404 00:22:33,166 --> 00:22:34,333 We almost can't help it. 405 00:22:34,416 --> 00:22:37,666 -Well, I can't wait to see you in here. -It's gonna be a struggle. 406 00:22:37,750 --> 00:22:40,291 -Who do you love most in the world? -I love my mom, Pam. 407 00:22:40,708 --> 00:22:42,708 Your mom Pam? Dave is Pam. 408 00:22:42,791 --> 00:22:45,916 I've got this knife. I'm gonna stab her. What are you gonna do? 409 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,416 -Bang, bang! Kill you. -You're not gonna say, "Excuse me?" 410 00:22:48,500 --> 00:22:50,708 -I'm gonna drop you. -"Can you please stop?" No. 411 00:22:50,791 --> 00:22:52,708 You're gonna drop me to save her life, right? 412 00:22:52,791 --> 00:22:53,875 -Yeah. -Absolutely. 413 00:22:54,333 --> 00:22:56,083 I kind of shove that in there? Right. 414 00:22:56,583 --> 00:22:58,541 This weekend, Jay is role-playing 415 00:22:58,625 --> 00:23:01,833 how to defend a house and loved ones from marauding looters. 416 00:23:01,916 --> 00:23:04,041 Gotta protect it. I need pepper spray. 417 00:23:04,500 --> 00:23:07,375 Have your baton ready, too. You need this ready as well. 418 00:23:07,458 --> 00:23:11,083 -Look at all these weapons. Okay. -Good. You have any questions? 419 00:23:11,166 --> 00:23:13,291 No, I'm just trying to psych myself up. 420 00:23:13,791 --> 00:23:15,166 All right. What are you-- 421 00:23:15,916 --> 00:23:17,833 -Get off my property! -Look at that bird! 422 00:23:17,916 --> 00:23:19,750 -Get off my property! -There's another. 423 00:23:19,833 --> 00:23:22,083 -What are you doing here? -Dude, it's the end of the world! 424 00:23:22,166 --> 00:23:23,333 -Yeah. -Look at these vultures! 425 00:23:23,416 --> 00:23:24,250 Get away! 426 00:23:24,333 --> 00:23:27,375 I've got pepper spray. I'm not afraid to use it. Stop! 427 00:23:27,458 --> 00:23:28,625 [grunting] 428 00:23:28,708 --> 00:23:30,375 -All right! -Yeah, back off! 429 00:23:30,458 --> 00:23:31,958 [groaning] What is that? 430 00:23:32,041 --> 00:23:33,583 [man] Hit him with the bat! Hit him with the bat! 431 00:23:34,666 --> 00:23:36,833 -Get out of here! -[laughing] 432 00:23:37,500 --> 00:23:38,416 [Farrier] Back off! 433 00:23:38,500 --> 00:23:42,250 -[all] Fingers! Fingers! Fingers! -Oh! It's off. 434 00:23:42,333 --> 00:23:44,333 [laughing] 435 00:23:44,416 --> 00:23:47,375 [Farrier] I thought I was just getting into apocalyptic character, 436 00:23:47,458 --> 00:23:51,500 but it seems my improvisation was a bit too enthusiastic for the preppers. 437 00:23:51,583 --> 00:23:55,125 So if you accidentally shot him while he's running away, cops show up, 438 00:23:55,583 --> 00:23:58,583 and then you go, "Well, he attacked me." Then how did he get shot back here? 439 00:23:59,416 --> 00:24:02,375 If I was the backup guy, I think I would have shot you. 440 00:24:02,458 --> 00:24:03,916 [laughing] 441 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,916 -To keep you from shooting Jay! -Yeah, I became a danger. 442 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:07,833 You were... 443 00:24:07,916 --> 00:24:09,250 -I went too far. -You were wild. 444 00:24:09,791 --> 00:24:10,958 [Farrier] Well, I've learned my lesson. 445 00:24:11,291 --> 00:24:14,166 It's the panic that sinks in. It's the end of the world. 446 00:24:14,250 --> 00:24:15,750 There's a lot of crazy stuff going on. 447 00:24:15,833 --> 00:24:18,208 Yeah, it's complex. It's not as simple as you think. 448 00:24:21,500 --> 00:24:25,500 That night, at a debrief around the fire in Jay's backyard, 449 00:24:26,041 --> 00:24:30,166 I wonder if Jay's obsession with prepping is worth this huge effort. 450 00:24:30,250 --> 00:24:32,583 Do you ever think, when you're sitting around... 451 00:24:33,208 --> 00:24:36,041 you know, maybe there isn't going to be this big end battle, 452 00:24:36,125 --> 00:24:40,416 and there's no God, I don't need to worry about prepping, I should just enjoy life? 453 00:24:40,916 --> 00:24:43,375 Do I have passing doubts and things like that? 454 00:24:43,708 --> 00:24:45,083 Of my faith? No. 455 00:24:45,833 --> 00:24:48,458 That I'm specifically living in the end times? 456 00:24:48,791 --> 00:24:50,208 Maybe not, and if I'm not... 457 00:24:50,458 --> 00:24:53,625 If I get to, you know, year 99 of my life 458 00:24:54,083 --> 00:24:56,750 and I've all this gear that has long since gone bad, 459 00:24:57,083 --> 00:25:00,541 I'm okay with that. If I get to the end and don't use any of it, that's awesome. 460 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:01,833 Oh, excuse me. 461 00:25:02,083 --> 00:25:03,208 [woman] What happened? 462 00:25:03,291 --> 00:25:04,958 [Farrier] Shit, it's happening now! 463 00:25:05,416 --> 00:25:09,333 -[woman] Oh, God! -[Farrier] It's a sign! 464 00:25:09,416 --> 00:25:11,291 [laughing] 465 00:25:11,875 --> 00:25:12,875 Amazing. 466 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,875 All right, God's got a sense of humor right here, I don't know. 467 00:25:16,958 --> 00:25:17,875 [Farrier] Lawn's on fire. 468 00:25:18,708 --> 00:25:21,750 I've actually had a really good time with these folks. 469 00:25:22,041 --> 00:25:23,875 But I'm not sure I'm cut out for this stuff. 470 00:25:24,541 --> 00:25:27,333 This is not what I want to do with my weekends. 471 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,750 And they haven't convinced me that the end of the world is coming soon. 472 00:25:31,833 --> 00:25:32,750 Thank you, sir. 473 00:25:32,833 --> 00:25:36,458 But if they're right, I got a glimpse of just how long I'd last, 474 00:25:36,541 --> 00:25:38,250 and it's not looking great. 475 00:25:38,791 --> 00:25:40,333 Prepping is serious stuff, 476 00:25:40,416 --> 00:25:42,083 and it takes a lot of commitment. 477 00:25:42,541 --> 00:25:43,541 Just look at Noah. 478 00:25:43,625 --> 00:25:44,458 Amen. 479 00:25:47,875 --> 00:25:51,500 For my final destination, I head south to Tennessee. 480 00:25:55,041 --> 00:25:57,458 Summertown is sleepy and rural, 481 00:25:57,541 --> 00:26:00,708 but a year ago, it burst onto the dark tourist map 482 00:26:01,208 --> 00:26:04,875 when the small town woke to the sound of terrified screams. 483 00:26:06,333 --> 00:26:08,625 [woman] I can't do it! I can't do it! I can't do it! I can't do it! 484 00:26:08,708 --> 00:26:11,583 I can't do it! I can't do it! I can't do it! [sobbing] 485 00:26:11,666 --> 00:26:13,791 I wanna get out of here! 486 00:26:13,875 --> 00:26:15,708 [Farrier] The town recently became home 487 00:26:15,791 --> 00:26:18,416 to the most infamous horror house in the world, 488 00:26:18,500 --> 00:26:20,625 -McKamey Manor. -[screaming] 489 00:26:20,708 --> 00:26:22,250 The online videos are brutal. 490 00:26:24,250 --> 00:26:25,833 -[grunts] -[steams hisses] 491 00:26:26,250 --> 00:26:27,208 [man retches] 492 00:26:34,208 --> 00:26:39,125 This is a tourist attraction where people flock to be tortured and terrorized 493 00:26:39,625 --> 00:26:40,791 just for the fun of it. 494 00:26:43,833 --> 00:26:47,541 If a dark tourist wants the most extreme weekend ever, 495 00:26:47,625 --> 00:26:50,208 then Russ McKamey is the man to give it to them. 496 00:26:50,750 --> 00:26:53,166 But is he a showman? Or a psychopath? 497 00:26:53,583 --> 00:26:55,791 And why would anyone want to do this? 498 00:26:56,458 --> 00:26:57,666 Whatever the answer, 499 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:02,208 there are reportedly 24,000 people on the wait list. 500 00:27:02,958 --> 00:27:05,833 [woman] You have reached your destination on the left-hand side. 501 00:27:06,416 --> 00:27:09,958 [Farrier] I've arranged to meet Russ and his girlfriend Holly at the Manor. 502 00:27:10,500 --> 00:27:14,916 I'm more than nervous and I'm worried that everything I've seen and heard is true. 503 00:27:15,333 --> 00:27:16,708 -Russ! -What's going on? 504 00:27:16,791 --> 00:27:18,000 -David. -You're David? 505 00:27:18,083 --> 00:27:21,041 -Nice to meet you. -I was hoping to get you in the Manor. 506 00:27:21,125 --> 00:27:24,333 -I'm terrified of you. -As you should be. 507 00:27:24,416 --> 00:27:27,375 I remember watching videos of you maybe ten years ago, 508 00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:29,500 and it was a place you can go 509 00:27:29,583 --> 00:27:33,875 where this guy will sort of... I mean, essentially torture you, and here you are. 510 00:27:33,958 --> 00:27:36,958 The only way to find out, David, is you gotta come through! 511 00:27:37,041 --> 00:27:38,916 I don't want to be alone with you! 512 00:27:39,333 --> 00:27:42,083 While I hate the idea of being tortured, 513 00:27:42,166 --> 00:27:46,875 there is something perversely attractive about something that sounds so dangerous. 514 00:27:47,500 --> 00:27:52,166 Russ's recent arrival in Summertown has predictably not gone down too well. 515 00:27:52,250 --> 00:27:54,541 He's been served cease and desist orders. 516 00:27:54,625 --> 00:27:58,083 -Let's go through what they are alleging. -Oh, yeah! 517 00:27:58,166 --> 00:28:00,958 "A person was bound and tied behind a truck 518 00:28:01,041 --> 00:28:05,083 in what appeared to be some kind of abduction, torture and attempted killing. 519 00:28:05,458 --> 00:28:08,708 She later screamed as what sounded like a chainsaw was used to simulate threatened or actual dismemberment." 520 00:28:12,125 --> 00:28:14,833 -These are quite full-on allegations. -[Russ McKamey] Yeah! 521 00:28:14,916 --> 00:28:17,208 They think they've got a bunch of killers in the neighborhood. 522 00:28:17,291 --> 00:28:18,833 -Apparently they do. -[Holly] Like we're psychopaths. 523 00:28:18,916 --> 00:28:21,750 -But you can see where it comes from. -It's very PG-13. 524 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,250 But it's still the most extreme 525 00:28:23,333 --> 00:28:25,666 -because of the mental games. -You want to break people. 526 00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:29,375 I can make them believe whatever I want them to. That's the bottom line. 527 00:28:29,458 --> 00:28:30,875 Where did you learn this stuff? 528 00:28:30,958 --> 00:28:33,625 Well, being in the military for 23 years helped me out. 529 00:28:33,916 --> 00:28:36,916 So you learn how to interrogate people. You learn... 530 00:28:37,166 --> 00:28:39,083 -How to get into their heads. -You learn some mind control. 531 00:28:39,583 --> 00:28:42,208 [Farrier] Russ and Holly admit to using hypnotism 532 00:28:42,291 --> 00:28:44,416 to heighten people's experiences. 533 00:28:44,916 --> 00:28:47,166 But he's not afraid to get physical. 534 00:28:47,708 --> 00:28:50,666 So you know you're gonna get cuts, bruises, sprains... 535 00:28:51,041 --> 00:28:53,583 possible broken bones, maybe death. It could happen. 536 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,958 See, that's exactly why I wouldn't do it. 537 00:28:56,041 --> 00:28:57,791 -The instant I have that risk... -But... 538 00:28:57,875 --> 00:28:59,833 in 16 years of doing the extreme stuff, 539 00:28:59,916 --> 00:29:01,625 have I ever had one death? No. 540 00:29:01,958 --> 00:29:03,291 You've had a heart attack. 541 00:29:03,958 --> 00:29:06,791 -Yeah, we have. -You're not going to die, but... 542 00:29:07,250 --> 00:29:11,125 part of the fun is just for that moment that you actually might die, 543 00:29:11,208 --> 00:29:13,625 -and that's thrilling. -That's what you're chasing? 544 00:29:13,708 --> 00:29:14,625 Yes, yeah, so... 545 00:29:14,708 --> 00:29:17,416 And that's what these folks that come here are chasing. 546 00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:20,250 These are the adrenaline junkies of the world, 547 00:29:20,333 --> 00:29:22,416 the people who can't get scared anyplace else. 548 00:29:23,041 --> 00:29:26,625 -How long do you think I'd last? -25, 30 seconds. 20 seconds maybe. 549 00:29:26,708 --> 00:29:28,291 [laughing] 550 00:29:29,041 --> 00:29:31,375 -I can't trust you. -I know! You can't trust me. 551 00:29:31,458 --> 00:29:33,791 -You're just one guy. [laughs] -I'm just a con artist... 552 00:29:33,875 --> 00:29:36,375 that can deliver on every promise that I say. 553 00:29:36,458 --> 00:29:38,833 Oh, my God. I'm walking away. 554 00:29:39,333 --> 00:29:41,666 [McKamey] Don't come back. Walk away. Keep walking. 555 00:29:41,750 --> 00:29:44,041 -[laughing] -I like you, Russ, you terrifying man. 556 00:29:45,833 --> 00:29:48,333 The videos online are frightening. 557 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,500 But after meeting Russ, I still don't know why he's doing it. 558 00:29:53,083 --> 00:29:56,916 Is he a guy just doing a job or some kind of psychopath? 559 00:30:00,291 --> 00:30:02,208 I was eager to meet Russ's next victim 560 00:30:02,291 --> 00:30:04,291 to find out why they were doing it. 561 00:30:05,083 --> 00:30:07,666 -Hey! Hey, David! -How are you? 562 00:30:07,750 --> 00:30:11,666 Nick Newman's a 53-year-old dad from Memphis, Tennessee. 563 00:30:12,125 --> 00:30:14,458 He's a boss at the local water department. 564 00:30:14,833 --> 00:30:18,291 But in the past, he's swum with sharks and run an Iron Man. 565 00:30:18,708 --> 00:30:21,250 An adrenaline junkie looking for his next hit. 566 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,500 He shows me everything he's been told to bring to the torture. 567 00:30:25,583 --> 00:30:29,708 I'm going to be a shark because he said it makes the videos better 568 00:30:29,791 --> 00:30:31,791 -if you're in a onesie. -That's his thing. 569 00:30:31,875 --> 00:30:34,958 -Have you got your dog food? -Russ is a big dog lover 570 00:30:35,041 --> 00:30:37,625 -so I've got my dog food. -That's all he wants for payment? 571 00:30:37,708 --> 00:30:39,000 A big thing of dog food? 572 00:30:39,083 --> 00:30:42,250 Well, you can donate some money, so of course I'll do that. 573 00:30:43,041 --> 00:30:46,416 [Farrier] Puzzlingly, Russ doesn't charge for his services. 574 00:30:47,208 --> 00:30:49,666 A donation of dog food is all he requires. 575 00:30:50,125 --> 00:30:51,000 What you gotta have 576 00:30:51,083 --> 00:30:55,208 is actually a medical certificate and a psychological evaluation. 577 00:30:55,291 --> 00:30:58,166 "He is physically and mentally stable." Congratulations. 578 00:30:58,250 --> 00:31:02,875 "He has no limitations to participate in the McKamey Manor haunted house." 579 00:31:04,166 --> 00:31:08,500 Nick's wife and his two teenage boys don't really know what he's signed up for. 580 00:31:10,541 --> 00:31:15,083 This video was from five years ago, when the manor was based in San Diego. 581 00:31:15,583 --> 00:31:18,333 Apparently, things have stepped up a lot since then. 582 00:31:18,416 --> 00:31:19,458 People are crazy. 583 00:31:19,541 --> 00:31:23,166 -[Farrier] Like your dad. -[screaming on screen] 584 00:31:24,166 --> 00:31:28,541 [Farrier] Despite their reaction, Karen knows there's no stopping Nick. 585 00:31:28,625 --> 00:31:31,916 If he wants to do it, he's gonna do it. I said, "You don't even know this guy! 586 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,750 You don't know any of these people. You don't know what you're walking into." 587 00:31:36,291 --> 00:31:37,416 He said he'd be okay. 588 00:31:39,875 --> 00:31:41,875 [Farrier] It's the day of the torture. 589 00:31:41,958 --> 00:31:46,000 Russ has organized for us to meet in the park for the first stage, 590 00:31:46,083 --> 00:31:49,625 something called the waiver ceremony, and I have a surprise for Nick. 591 00:31:50,208 --> 00:31:51,625 -You got your onesie? -I'm ready. 592 00:31:52,083 --> 00:31:55,500 I'm gonna come and give it a little try. 593 00:31:55,583 --> 00:31:56,791 Awesome, man! 594 00:31:57,958 --> 00:32:00,333 -I'm gonna get my onesie. -You got a onesie, too? 595 00:32:00,416 --> 00:32:02,708 Yeah, it's a big old dog... of some kind. 596 00:32:02,791 --> 00:32:03,916 No, that's awesome. 597 00:32:05,041 --> 00:32:07,166 [Farrier] We're soon joined by Holly and Russ, 598 00:32:07,250 --> 00:32:10,041 and I'm already regretting going to the Manor. 599 00:32:11,083 --> 00:32:14,125 He warns us that the waiver ceremony will take five hours, 600 00:32:14,208 --> 00:32:16,625 but first the local police need to be told. 601 00:32:17,375 --> 00:32:22,708 Hey, I'm calling you guys to let you know that we are doing a show today. 602 00:32:22,791 --> 00:32:25,291 So if you get any crazy phone calls, 603 00:32:25,375 --> 00:32:29,291 you know that it's not real, so please nobody shoot me. [laughs] 604 00:32:29,416 --> 00:32:30,666 [man] I'll pass it along. 605 00:32:31,500 --> 00:32:34,750 [Farrier] The waiver is a 45-page document. 606 00:32:34,833 --> 00:32:38,666 You guys are gonna read every single item in tandem. 607 00:32:38,750 --> 00:32:41,291 [Farrier] "Participant agrees and understands the..." 608 00:32:41,416 --> 00:32:44,416 While the waiver intends to remove any liability 609 00:32:44,500 --> 00:32:47,416 for physical and mental damage carried out by Russ, 610 00:32:47,916 --> 00:32:51,625 I feel like maybe this is just part of the torture experience. 611 00:32:51,708 --> 00:32:53,583 David, you're going to get hurt tonight. 612 00:32:53,666 --> 00:32:56,000 You're gonna get drowned, You're gonna get buried. 613 00:32:56,083 --> 00:32:59,750 But I'm not really here to hurt you. Although I am going to hurt you. 614 00:32:59,833 --> 00:33:04,291 And you really have to understand that. I am not BS-ing you at all, okay? 615 00:33:04,833 --> 00:33:06,833 [Farrier] "Have to figure out how to escape..." 616 00:33:06,916 --> 00:33:09,583 This goes on for hours and hours, 617 00:33:09,666 --> 00:33:12,291 and I'm starting to lose my grip on reality. 618 00:33:12,750 --> 00:33:15,583 In the past, there was no safe phrase, 619 00:33:15,666 --> 00:33:18,583 but maybe due to complaints from previous participants, 620 00:33:18,666 --> 00:33:19,958 Russ now accepts them. 621 00:33:20,041 --> 00:33:22,166 -But you need-- -I think you're bluffing. 622 00:33:22,250 --> 00:33:24,666 I think I am too. In fact, I am. I'm just kidding you, David. 623 00:33:26,041 --> 00:33:30,166 Here's what we're going to do. David, you give Nick something embarrassing. 624 00:33:30,250 --> 00:33:31,625 My name is Nick. 625 00:33:31,708 --> 00:33:32,875 I thought I was tough. 626 00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:35,500 He's calling you out on your toughness! 627 00:33:35,916 --> 00:33:38,916 But I am actually much more of a coward than David is. 628 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,291 Oh, my God! 629 00:33:40,583 --> 00:33:43,000 The great thing is, even if I bail before you, 630 00:33:43,083 --> 00:33:45,916 you're still gonna have to say this, which will give me great satisfaction. 631 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:47,416 -He's cruel, isn't he? -[Nick Newman] He is. 632 00:33:47,916 --> 00:33:50,500 [Farrier] It was time to sign the final clause. 633 00:33:50,875 --> 00:33:54,333 Stupidly, it gives Russ permission to ignore my safe phrase. 634 00:33:54,416 --> 00:33:56,500 Put your reality cap on, you're not gonna die. 635 00:33:56,791 --> 00:33:59,083 But it's that bit between life and death that's a problem. 636 00:33:59,166 --> 00:34:01,083 There is problems, there is. 637 00:34:01,166 --> 00:34:02,958 -Okay, I'm gonna go on. -[Newman] Attaboy. 638 00:34:03,958 --> 00:34:06,125 You each get a nice little straitjacket. 639 00:34:06,583 --> 00:34:10,208 [Farrier] Now, after all the bizarreness, things start to get real. 640 00:34:10,291 --> 00:34:13,500 -Totally normal way to spend the night. -[McKamey] Isn't it, though? 641 00:34:13,791 --> 00:34:14,958 [Farrier] Is that adult diapers? 642 00:34:15,958 --> 00:34:19,166 [Newman] This is the humiliation part, I think. 643 00:34:19,541 --> 00:34:21,333 [McKamey] Perfect. Now, it's gonna stay in your mouth. 644 00:34:22,583 --> 00:34:25,000 You haven't felt nothing yet. This is easy. 645 00:34:25,083 --> 00:34:27,333 [Farrier] I'm already completely disorientated 646 00:34:27,416 --> 00:34:29,208 and more than a little frightened. 647 00:34:29,291 --> 00:34:30,125 Jesus. 648 00:34:30,208 --> 00:34:32,416 [McKamey] Jesus got nothing to do with it. Here we go. 649 00:34:32,500 --> 00:34:34,666 [Farrier] Russ has started the show. 650 00:34:34,750 --> 00:34:38,166 Say, "My name is David, and I'm a little baby." Say that. 651 00:34:38,250 --> 00:34:40,333 -Say it! -My name's David, and I'm a little baby. 652 00:34:40,416 --> 00:34:41,458 Don't you stop. 653 00:34:43,041 --> 00:34:44,958 -[Farrier] This isn't funny anymore. -[McKamey] David, are you serious? 654 00:34:45,041 --> 00:34:47,416 I didn't say to sit down. What are you doing? 655 00:34:47,500 --> 00:34:50,000 -I think you're making fun of me, David. -No. 656 00:34:50,083 --> 00:34:53,583 -Russ is a big freaking joke, right? -You're definitely not a joke. 657 00:34:53,666 --> 00:34:57,250 Let's laugh at Russ, right? Is that what we're doing? I got your number. 658 00:34:57,333 --> 00:35:00,041 -We're gonna have a good time tonight. -It's scary. 659 00:35:00,125 --> 00:35:03,333 It's scary? You don't know what scary is yet. 660 00:35:03,833 --> 00:35:06,875 Did you break my straitjacket? Are you fat, huh? 661 00:35:07,250 --> 00:35:08,666 [Farrier] With the addition of headphones, 662 00:35:08,750 --> 00:35:12,250 Russ forces me to listen to his own warped soundtrack. 663 00:35:12,333 --> 00:35:15,416 [man] Welcome to McKamey Manor. 664 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,500 -Let's do this together. -I really don't like this very much. 665 00:35:19,583 --> 00:35:22,666 -If I want to stop now... -Quit your bellyaching, David. 666 00:35:22,750 --> 00:35:25,541 -All right? You haven't done anything yet. -Yeah, okay. 667 00:35:25,625 --> 00:35:28,250 [man] No one will save you. 668 00:35:28,625 --> 00:35:31,083 No one will hear you. 669 00:35:31,583 --> 00:35:34,750 [Farrier] As we prepare to go to the Manor, I'm really freaking out. 670 00:35:35,208 --> 00:35:37,833 It could be the soundtrack or the hours of abuse, 671 00:35:38,375 --> 00:35:40,375 but I don't think I can go any further. 672 00:35:40,458 --> 00:35:42,500 You're not quitting right now. You're not doing anything. 673 00:35:42,583 --> 00:35:44,250 -I think-- -What? David? 674 00:35:44,333 --> 00:35:45,708 -I think I'm out. -[Holly] No way. 675 00:35:45,791 --> 00:35:47,666 -[McKamey] Are you serious? -Yeah, I think I'm out. 676 00:35:47,750 --> 00:35:50,708 Say the safe phrase, then. Say it. This is embarrassing. 677 00:35:50,791 --> 00:35:54,625 No, I don't like anything about this. This whole situation's horrible. 678 00:35:54,708 --> 00:35:57,833 -Say it. -I'm David, and I came from New Zealand 679 00:35:57,916 --> 00:36:00,333 and I'm too much of a wimp to do McKamey Manor. 680 00:36:00,875 --> 00:36:02,875 -And I quit. -And I quit. 681 00:36:04,166 --> 00:36:06,416 -[Holly] Sorry about that. -[McKamey] There you go. You're good. 682 00:36:06,500 --> 00:36:08,500 You're safe now. You don't need to worry about a thing. 683 00:36:08,875 --> 00:36:10,916 There's just nothing in it that's like a good thing. 684 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,750 -What do you think-- -I don't understand people that come here. 685 00:36:13,833 --> 00:36:16,708 -You're emotional right now. -Yeah, I am, it's weird. 686 00:36:16,791 --> 00:36:18,041 -It's strange, isn't it? -Yeah. 687 00:36:19,041 --> 00:36:21,416 It's just a massive relief to be out. 688 00:36:21,916 --> 00:36:24,625 I felt so terrified, I couldn't even think straight. 689 00:36:25,125 --> 00:36:27,500 Russ's techniques are horrifically effective, 690 00:36:28,083 --> 00:36:30,083 even for my short stay. 691 00:36:32,791 --> 00:36:34,500 It'll just be Nick from now on. 692 00:36:35,291 --> 00:36:38,583 -[McKamey] Everything okay? -[Holly] We're good out the back, in here. 693 00:36:40,583 --> 00:36:44,541 [Farrier] Arriving back at the Manor, he's taken immediately to the barn. 694 00:36:44,625 --> 00:36:45,458 Back up! 695 00:36:46,625 --> 00:36:48,416 [Farrier] Our cameras aren't allowed to follow, 696 00:36:48,500 --> 00:36:50,875 and in the house, I have no idea what's happening to Nick. 697 00:36:51,416 --> 00:36:53,958 But from what we can see on Russ's cameras, 698 00:36:54,041 --> 00:36:56,708 he's subjected to a whole new level of abuse. 699 00:36:58,958 --> 00:37:01,791 He's dunked violently into ice cold water. 700 00:37:01,875 --> 00:37:03,583 [gasping] 701 00:37:03,666 --> 00:37:05,000 [McKamey] Quiet. Quiet. 702 00:37:05,750 --> 00:37:08,166 You will hold your breath for 30 seconds or... 703 00:37:12,083 --> 00:37:15,041 -That's only 25. That's only 25. -[gasping] 704 00:37:19,958 --> 00:37:22,125 -[Holly] Twenty-five. -[McKamey] That's 25 again. 705 00:37:22,208 --> 00:37:25,041 -[coughs] I'm out! -[McKamey] What were you doing? 706 00:37:25,125 --> 00:37:26,958 -Say it, then. -I'm Nick Newman. 707 00:37:27,041 --> 00:37:28,583 I thought I was tougher than I am. 708 00:37:30,333 --> 00:37:34,250 But I'm a bigger... coward than... David. 709 00:37:35,708 --> 00:37:37,333 And I want to quit McKamey Manor. 710 00:37:39,375 --> 00:37:40,791 -He's done. -He's done? 711 00:37:40,875 --> 00:37:41,833 -It's over. -Wow. 712 00:37:42,333 --> 00:37:45,041 [Farrier] Nick has lasted just a few minutes. 713 00:37:46,041 --> 00:37:47,625 -[McKamey] Sit down. -[Holly] Straight down. There you go. 714 00:37:47,708 --> 00:37:50,208 Sorry, guys. It was way too fast. 715 00:37:50,291 --> 00:37:52,500 -[Farrier] You okay, Nick? You all right? -Yeah, I'm good. 716 00:37:52,583 --> 00:37:55,041 -What happened towards the end? -It was rough. 717 00:37:55,333 --> 00:37:57,500 Just like Russ said, you don't want to do this. 718 00:37:58,583 --> 00:37:59,625 Don't come here. 719 00:38:01,958 --> 00:38:04,625 [Farrier] Nick was looking for an adrenaline rush, 720 00:38:04,708 --> 00:38:08,625 but Russ focuses on fears far darker than the fear of getting hurt. 721 00:38:09,083 --> 00:38:11,208 Your sanity is his target. 722 00:38:11,291 --> 00:38:13,000 [chattering] 723 00:38:13,083 --> 00:38:14,416 [Farrier] I don't know what to think. 724 00:38:14,500 --> 00:38:17,250 Russ looks so happy with what's just happened. 725 00:38:17,333 --> 00:38:19,500 It's as bad as they say. 726 00:38:25,583 --> 00:38:28,083 I haven't figured out what makes Russ tick 727 00:38:28,541 --> 00:38:30,666 so I decide to come back the next day. 728 00:38:31,625 --> 00:38:35,166 [McKamey] I'll decide who I take to start my little games with. 729 00:38:35,250 --> 00:38:37,875 Remember, you rascals are against each other. 730 00:38:39,041 --> 00:38:42,083 [Farrier] A young couple, Caleb and Zoe from Missouri, 731 00:38:42,166 --> 00:38:43,625 have also turned up for the ordeal. 732 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,458 All right, goodbye! 733 00:38:45,541 --> 00:38:47,958 -We can't follow the process a bit more? -Mnh-mnh. 734 00:38:48,041 --> 00:38:49,541 Unless you want to go back in? 735 00:38:50,250 --> 00:38:52,333 -Never going back in. -Then get out of here. 736 00:38:52,416 --> 00:38:56,208 Go,go! Shoo! In front of the household. 737 00:38:56,291 --> 00:38:57,875 Bye, everybody! 738 00:38:59,375 --> 00:39:00,375 Off they go. 739 00:39:02,083 --> 00:39:04,291 It's another brutal scene, 740 00:39:04,583 --> 00:39:06,666 but these two last much longer. 741 00:39:06,750 --> 00:39:10,250 -[McKamey] Are you bleeding on me? -Oh, Jesus... 742 00:39:10,333 --> 00:39:13,416 [Farrier] But after a couple of hours, the cold gets to Zoe... 743 00:39:13,500 --> 00:39:16,833 -[McKamey] Come on, roll. -[grunts, gasps] 744 00:39:16,916 --> 00:39:18,416 I got to get out. 745 00:39:18,708 --> 00:39:20,250 -[Farrier] ...and then Caleb. -[panting] 746 00:39:20,333 --> 00:39:21,416 [McKamey] Good try. 747 00:39:23,750 --> 00:39:24,875 Catch your breath. 748 00:39:25,416 --> 00:39:26,250 We're over. 749 00:39:27,125 --> 00:39:28,708 -Good job, Russ. -That was good, man. 750 00:39:29,791 --> 00:39:32,583 [Farrier] It's all over and time for a shower. 751 00:39:32,833 --> 00:39:34,916 Russ has finally finished for the day. 752 00:39:35,333 --> 00:39:37,750 This is a full-time job that you have. 753 00:39:37,833 --> 00:39:39,625 It's full-time! It's ridiculous! 754 00:39:39,708 --> 00:39:43,291 -And there's no other magic income? -There is not. 755 00:39:43,375 --> 00:39:46,583 -You don't sell these as fetish videos? -No. 756 00:39:46,666 --> 00:39:48,250 Fetish? Did you say fetish? 757 00:39:48,333 --> 00:39:52,291 -But there must be some kind of income. -This is so not fetish. 758 00:39:52,375 --> 00:39:54,500 -You need to understand that. -This is for the love. 759 00:39:54,583 --> 00:39:58,916 The only income I have is I get $800 a month from my Navy retirement. 760 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,750 That's it. 800 bucks. I spend that on food in three days. 761 00:40:04,083 --> 00:40:06,041 How you doing there, Zoe? Are you mad at me? 762 00:40:06,125 --> 00:40:08,916 -No, I'm not mad at you. I was cold, Russ! -Okay. 763 00:40:09,458 --> 00:40:13,083 [Farrier] You kept talking about how it was just a game and it's not real. It's very real because people are getting hit on the head. 764 00:40:16,875 --> 00:40:18,958 You're drowning people. There's blood. 765 00:40:19,041 --> 00:40:20,958 It's real stuff happening, you know? 766 00:40:21,041 --> 00:40:23,375 Real stuff happens. But you're also real safe. 767 00:40:23,458 --> 00:40:27,625 The whole point is to make you not feel safe, I think, and that works. 768 00:40:28,125 --> 00:40:30,916 What do you think is the biggest misconception 769 00:40:31,416 --> 00:40:32,833 that people have about you? 770 00:40:34,166 --> 00:40:36,166 That I'm a psychopath. 771 00:40:36,541 --> 00:40:41,291 That I'm just this crazy guy who gets off on hurting people. 772 00:40:41,666 --> 00:40:43,750 -[Zoe] That's what I thought. -You know? 773 00:40:43,833 --> 00:40:46,708 Who are you, then, if you're not a psychopath? 774 00:40:47,416 --> 00:40:49,166 I am an entertainer. 775 00:40:49,625 --> 00:40:52,833 I'm a comedian, and this is nothing but showbiz to me. 776 00:40:53,375 --> 00:40:56,000 So I found my own little niche in the world 777 00:40:56,083 --> 00:40:58,083 that nobody else is doing. 778 00:40:58,166 --> 00:41:00,666 It's as simple as that. I just love to entertain. 779 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,583 [Farrier] The only reason I can think of as to why Russ does this 780 00:41:05,666 --> 00:41:07,458 is that he's just so good at it. 781 00:41:08,208 --> 00:41:10,375 -I don't think he's a psychopath, -[wind whipping] 782 00:41:10,458 --> 00:41:13,708 but I certainly wouldn't call what he does entertainment. 783 00:41:14,583 --> 00:41:16,291 You really don't...