1 00:00:08,166 --> 00:00:13,958 [crickets] 2 00:00:14,166 --> 00:00:15,875 [narrator] I'm a journalist from New Zealand, 3 00:00:15,958 --> 00:00:18,666 and I've always been drawn to the weirder side of life. 4 00:00:18,750 --> 00:00:20,333 [crickets] 5 00:00:20,458 --> 00:00:23,541 [narrator] So I've decided to investigate dark tourism, 6 00:00:23,625 --> 00:00:27,000 a global phenomenon where people choose to vacation 7 00:00:27,083 --> 00:00:29,375 in places associated with death and destruction. 8 00:00:31,083 --> 00:00:33,125 This trip takes me to America, 9 00:00:33,208 --> 00:00:35,958 where I visit three dark tourist destinations. 10 00:00:36,083 --> 00:00:38,000 [woman screaming] 11 00:00:38,125 --> 00:00:41,750 [narrator] In New Orleans, I go undercover to search for real vampires. 12 00:00:41,833 --> 00:00:42,958 [David] Can I level with you? 13 00:00:43,083 --> 00:00:45,541 [David] I just look at you guys and I think you’re here as food. 14 00:00:45,625 --> 00:00:47,583 [narrator] ...and I discover a national tragedy 15 00:00:47,666 --> 00:00:50,000 that’s turned into a tourist attraction in Texas. 16 00:00:50,083 --> 00:00:51,791 She'll have bone fragments in her hair, 17 00:00:51,875 --> 00:00:54,333 and brain tissue is scattered all over the car. 18 00:00:54,416 --> 00:00:56,500 [narrator] In Milwaukee, I join a dark tourist 19 00:00:56,583 --> 00:00:59,083 on the trail of serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer. 20 00:00:59,166 --> 00:01:01,916 If you gave me a body and said, "You've got to dismember this 21 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,375 and get rid of it," I would not know where to start. 22 00:01:05,333 --> 00:01:06,750 [narrator] I'm David Farrier, 23 00:01:06,833 --> 00:01:09,708 and this trip gets weirder than I ever imagined. 24 00:01:09,958 --> 00:01:16,791 [series music theme] 25 00:01:32,333 --> 00:01:36,500 [narrator] I'm in the United States, and my first stop is in the Midwest - 26 00:01:36,583 --> 00:01:37,916 the city of Milwaukee... 27 00:01:39,250 --> 00:01:42,583 famous for beer and cheese and a serial killer. 28 00:01:45,416 --> 00:01:48,166 Now, I’ve always been fascinated by serial killers, 29 00:01:48,250 --> 00:01:49,833 the more graphic, the better. 30 00:01:50,750 --> 00:01:54,500 But I'm on my way to meet someone who's even more into the stuff than me. 31 00:01:55,125 --> 00:01:57,458 She's a self-proclaimed dark tourist. 32 00:01:57,541 --> 00:02:00,375 And she's agreed to let me join her on a gruesome tour... 33 00:02:00,791 --> 00:02:04,375 dedicated to the Cream City cannibal, Jeffrey Dahmer. 34 00:02:04,458 --> 00:02:06,500 [news girl] Police in Wisconsin are investigating 35 00:02:06,583 --> 00:02:09,166 a grisly discovery in a Milwaukee apartment. 36 00:02:09,250 --> 00:02:12,416 [news man] Numerous pieces from as many as 15 human bodies, 37 00:02:12,541 --> 00:02:15,291 including three heads, preserved in a refrigerator. 38 00:02:16,125 --> 00:02:17,750 [narrator] I'm here to pick up Natalie. She's a Dahmer fanatic 39 00:02:20,125 --> 00:02:22,458 and she's always dreamed of coming to Milwaukee. 40 00:02:22,541 --> 00:02:24,000 -[David] Hey, Natalie. -How do you do? 41 00:02:24,083 --> 00:02:25,375 [David] It's so nice to meet you. 42 00:02:25,458 --> 00:02:27,375 -Nice to meet you. -You've never been here, right? 43 00:02:27,458 --> 00:02:30,000 -No. No, I haven't. -Which is ridiculous! 44 00:02:30,125 --> 00:02:31,041 [both laughing] 45 00:02:31,125 --> 00:02:33,541 [David] 'Cause Dahmer's your guy, and you've never been here. 46 00:02:33,625 --> 00:02:36,208 [David] See, I was wondering who would turn up, who it would be. 47 00:02:36,291 --> 00:02:40,291 -[Natalie] I figured you might have been. -I was looking for the black T-shirt. 48 00:02:40,375 --> 00:02:42,833 You've got the black T-shirt. All black, everything, you know. 49 00:02:42,916 --> 00:02:44,791 [Natalie] But it's Morrissey. He's a vegan. 50 00:02:45,375 --> 00:02:48,375 [David] So you're into a lot of this. I mean, you are a dark tourist. 51 00:02:48,458 --> 00:02:52,250 Yes. Mostly from the comfort of my home, 'cause I like to read. 52 00:02:52,333 --> 00:02:54,500 When did you first hear about the Dahmer case? 53 00:02:54,583 --> 00:02:56,583 When do you think that kind of seized your brain? 54 00:02:57,125 --> 00:02:59,875 [Natalie] Well, I was ten years old when it happened, and... 55 00:03:01,916 --> 00:03:05,541 it didn't really register. When you're ten years old, you don't really... 56 00:03:06,250 --> 00:03:09,208 have an understanding of what cannibalism is. 57 00:03:09,291 --> 00:03:11,666 [narrator] So far, Natalie seems pretty normal. 58 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,625 But I'm still really curious to see what makes her tick. 59 00:03:14,708 --> 00:03:16,000 -Beautiful AirBnb. -Oh, nice! 60 00:03:16,833 --> 00:03:19,708 [David] With the Dahmer story, what is it about the gory aspects... 61 00:03:19,791 --> 00:03:21,666 that draw people to it? 62 00:03:21,750 --> 00:03:25,583 There's never been a case quite like his, where there were... lobotomies, 63 00:03:26,083 --> 00:03:28,875 attempts to turn people into zombies, cannibalism. 64 00:03:29,583 --> 00:03:32,875 All of this in one. And he wasn't a sadist, either. He actually... 65 00:03:33,750 --> 00:03:36,875 granted the small mercy of drugging and strangling his victims, 66 00:03:36,958 --> 00:03:40,208 if you could call it that, before, you know, the eviscerations. 67 00:03:40,291 --> 00:03:42,791 Yeah. He had that little element of niceness to him. 68 00:03:42,875 --> 00:03:45,416 [Natalie] If you want to call it that. If you could call it that. 69 00:03:45,500 --> 00:03:48,416 -Before he drilled into their brains! -The small mercy, yes. 70 00:03:48,500 --> 00:03:51,166 Because he was like literally in there with all the guts and the blood 71 00:03:51,250 --> 00:03:54,166 and he was chopping them up. He could not be more... 72 00:03:54,500 --> 00:03:55,500 involved in the gore. 73 00:03:55,583 --> 00:03:57,500 -He started with... road kill, 74 00:03:57,583 --> 00:04:01,958 and then gradually worked his way up to lobotomies and intestines. 75 00:04:02,041 --> 00:04:04,625 [narrator] Natalie sure knows her stuff about Dahmer, 76 00:04:04,708 --> 00:04:06,708 but her passion doesn't end there. 77 00:04:06,791 --> 00:04:10,666 She collects anything strange and has something she wants to show me. 78 00:04:10,750 --> 00:04:11,583 Who is this? 79 00:04:12,416 --> 00:04:14,875 Juan Diego. He's a South American male. 80 00:04:15,625 --> 00:04:18,583 Can I touch? I’ve never really touched a real human... 81 00:04:18,666 --> 00:04:23,291 sort of skull before. I feel like Jeffrey Dahmer would have probably... 82 00:04:23,375 --> 00:04:24,625 held a lot of these. 83 00:04:24,708 --> 00:04:26,166 [Natalie] He did have a lot of those! 84 00:04:26,250 --> 00:04:28,958 And then he’d crush them up and get rid of them. 85 00:04:29,041 --> 00:04:33,041 Well, he saved a few for his altar that he was building in his apartment. 86 00:04:34,208 --> 00:04:37,500 Do you sometimes see any little correlations between the two of you? 87 00:04:37,583 --> 00:04:39,791 No, I don't! This is... 88 00:04:40,666 --> 00:04:43,583 strictly just me being weird. 89 00:04:44,541 --> 00:04:46,000 [narrator] I’ve barely met Natalie 90 00:04:46,083 --> 00:04:48,625 and already she’s showing me her bone collection. 91 00:04:48,708 --> 00:04:51,500 Well, I'm just amazed that you were allowed to travel 92 00:04:51,583 --> 00:04:55,583 with that in your bag. But it's America, right? Crazier things have happened. 93 00:04:55,958 --> 00:04:57,166 They certainly have. 94 00:04:58,333 --> 00:05:00,750 [narrator] I leave Natalie to wrap up her skull 95 00:05:00,833 --> 00:05:02,500 and go down to Shaker's Bar. 96 00:05:04,166 --> 00:05:06,583 It's the hub of the Dahmer tour industry. 97 00:05:07,416 --> 00:05:09,291 Set up for people like me. 98 00:05:10,666 --> 00:05:15,125 I've come here to meet Bella and Michelle, who run the Cream City Cannibal Tour. 99 00:05:15,208 --> 00:05:19,625 -We like bad boys. Women like bad boys. -Serial killers are definitely-- 100 00:05:19,958 --> 00:05:21,666 -Bad boys. -By definition, a bad boy. 101 00:05:21,750 --> 00:05:25,083 Yes, they are. I'm very much into spirits and into death. 102 00:05:25,166 --> 00:05:26,875 -That's something-- -You're into death? 103 00:05:26,958 --> 00:05:29,375 -I'm into death. -[David] Hence Jeffrey Dahmer. 104 00:05:29,458 --> 00:05:31,333 -[woman] Yes. -[David] Who caused a lot of death. 105 00:05:31,458 --> 00:05:34,791 He did cause a lot of death, but he was like the perfect storm 106 00:05:35,333 --> 00:05:39,625 of issues that I think caused this man to become what he was. 107 00:05:39,708 --> 00:05:44,041 So, I actually have a fair amount of empathy and sympathy for him. 108 00:05:44,125 --> 00:05:46,083 [David] That's something I'm struggling with, 109 00:05:46,166 --> 00:05:48,875 because I understand the empathy to a point. 110 00:05:49,541 --> 00:05:52,333 But then at the same time, he did... 111 00:05:53,208 --> 00:05:56,875 absolutely unforgivable things. So, the empathy can only go so far. 112 00:05:57,375 --> 00:06:01,541 He didn't enjoy the act of killing at all. He just wanted someone there for him, 113 00:06:01,625 --> 00:06:03,583 and didn't want to have to take care of them. 114 00:06:03,666 --> 00:06:06,333 I think that's something everyone can connect with, in a way. 115 00:06:06,416 --> 00:06:10,916 Everybody wants somebody there. Nobody loves... People don't love being lonely. 116 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:12,666 [narrator] I can't get my head around 117 00:06:12,750 --> 00:06:15,708 why so many women seem to be attracted to Dahmer, 118 00:06:16,458 --> 00:06:17,791 a gay serial killer. 119 00:06:20,541 --> 00:06:24,166 I meet up again with Natalie. She’s all amped for tonight’s tour. 120 00:06:24,250 --> 00:06:26,458 [David] That's funny 'cause your enthusiasm is infectious. 121 00:06:26,583 --> 00:06:30,125 I feel strange that I am enthusiastic about it. Clearly... 122 00:06:30,708 --> 00:06:34,083 nobody wants anyone to be murdered and no one should be happy about it. 123 00:06:34,166 --> 00:06:36,416 It will be interesting to see who does turn up for it. 124 00:06:36,500 --> 00:06:39,583 I've heard they get bachelorette parties, which is kind of amazing. 125 00:06:40,166 --> 00:06:41,000 [David] Twenty... 126 00:06:41,625 --> 00:06:42,458 and five. 127 00:06:43,416 --> 00:06:44,916 [employee] Lets get a wristband. 128 00:06:46,041 --> 00:06:47,041 [woman] All right! 129 00:06:47,125 --> 00:06:51,291 Everybody that is coming on the Cream City Cannibal Tour this evening, 130 00:06:51,375 --> 00:06:54,458 could you please join us outside, in the alleyway, 131 00:06:54,541 --> 00:06:56,208 so we may begin this tour? 132 00:06:57,708 --> 00:07:01,166 [David] Natalie was spot on about the bachelorette parties. 133 00:07:01,458 --> 00:07:04,500 The tour is dominated by women in their 30s. 134 00:07:05,166 --> 00:07:07,083 Maybe, like the tour guides, 135 00:07:07,166 --> 00:07:11,375 they’re all secretly hot for Jeffrey Dahmer, the ultimate bad boy. 136 00:07:12,625 --> 00:07:16,125 I’m just excited to finally satisfy my bloody curiosity 137 00:07:16,208 --> 00:07:18,375 by getting into the graphic details. 138 00:07:18,458 --> 00:07:20,083 [blonde] Another method he used 139 00:07:20,166 --> 00:07:23,875 is he actually tried to create a sex slave that wouldn't have any needs, 140 00:07:23,958 --> 00:07:26,041 wouldn't speak, wouldn't do much, 141 00:07:26,125 --> 00:07:28,750 but he still wanted them alive. So, to do this, 142 00:07:28,833 --> 00:07:33,125 he decided to drill an inch and a quarter into their skulls. 143 00:07:33,416 --> 00:07:36,625 And at first he poured boiling water, 144 00:07:36,708 --> 00:07:40,083 and then he tried different cleaning agents. 145 00:07:40,291 --> 00:07:42,125 [narrator] I’m into all these disgusting bits, 146 00:07:42,583 --> 00:07:43,666 and I’m not the only one. 147 00:07:43,750 --> 00:07:48,208 He's super interesting, yes. 'Cause he's different than... your stereotypical-- 148 00:07:48,291 --> 00:07:51,625 I think women just also want to fix everybody, too. I don't think that's-- 149 00:07:51,708 --> 00:07:54,500 -[woman] Way to be psychological. -I know. Well, it's true. I mean... 150 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:55,833 Yeah. 151 00:07:56,333 --> 00:07:59,125 How would you fix him? What would be your methodology, do you think? 152 00:07:59,208 --> 00:08:00,291 Little snuggles. 153 00:08:00,833 --> 00:08:03,333 -Little drill in the brain. -Right. 154 00:08:04,041 --> 00:08:05,291 Snuggles, but not too close. 155 00:08:06,166 --> 00:08:08,666 [narrator] The tour takes us to Club 219, 156 00:08:08,750 --> 00:08:11,208 where Dahmer picked up many of his victims. 157 00:08:12,125 --> 00:08:14,041 And things start to get weird. 158 00:08:14,125 --> 00:08:17,708 If anyone is here with us right now, can you please cross the rods? 159 00:08:20,291 --> 00:08:21,500 [woman] That's a yes. 160 00:08:22,250 --> 00:08:24,791 Now, can you please uncross the rods for me? 161 00:08:26,708 --> 00:08:30,208 If you're feeling low on energy, you may use my energy if need be. 162 00:08:31,916 --> 00:08:34,708 If we are speaking to Jeffrey Dahmer currently, 163 00:08:34,791 --> 00:08:36,791 can you please cross the rods? 164 00:08:41,416 --> 00:08:43,750 Does anybody have any questions for Mr. Dahmer? 165 00:08:43,833 --> 00:08:45,166 They've lost me, Natalie. 166 00:08:45,833 --> 00:08:48,458 -Have they lost you? -Totally. Completely. 167 00:08:50,458 --> 00:08:51,791 [Natalie] Very tacky as well. 168 00:08:52,625 --> 00:08:55,125 -[David] They annoyed me. -[Natalie] It was annoying. 169 00:08:55,541 --> 00:08:57,000 -Are you annoyed? -I am annoyed. 170 00:08:57,083 --> 00:09:00,750 I've got really no patience for woo like that. Thank you. 171 00:09:01,375 --> 00:09:03,125 -[David] Woo or bullshit? -Woo, yeah, bull-- 172 00:09:03,208 --> 00:09:05,166 [Natalie] That's a nice way of saying bullshit. 173 00:09:06,458 --> 00:09:08,583 [narrator] I can’t imagine how the families 174 00:09:08,666 --> 00:09:10,083 of his victims would feel, 175 00:09:10,541 --> 00:09:14,500 knowing this tour was trying to call up Jeffrey Dahmer’s ghost. 176 00:09:17,833 --> 00:09:20,500 [tv presenter] Some real-life drama today in a Milwaukee courtroom. 177 00:09:20,583 --> 00:09:24,583 Serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer was sentenced to 15 consecutive life terms 178 00:09:24,666 --> 00:09:25,958 without parole. 179 00:09:28,125 --> 00:09:31,375 [narrator] Natalie and I are interested in what makes Dahmer tick. 180 00:09:31,833 --> 00:09:35,333 But the divining rods weren’t going to give us any answers. 181 00:09:38,791 --> 00:09:42,500 Before I leave Milwaukee, it seemed a waste not to dig deeper, 182 00:09:42,583 --> 00:09:44,208 to get some real insight. 183 00:09:44,291 --> 00:09:45,291 [David speaking] 184 00:09:45,375 --> 00:09:48,083 [narrator] Dahmer was like an itch I needed to scratch. 185 00:09:49,041 --> 00:09:51,666 So I arranged to meet up with Wendy Patrickus, 186 00:09:51,750 --> 00:09:53,875 the lawyer who defended Dahmer in court. 187 00:09:59,250 --> 00:10:00,875 -[David] Hello, Wendy. -[Wendy] Hello. 188 00:10:00,958 --> 00:10:03,250 -So, we're in town for Dahmer. -Yes. 189 00:10:03,333 --> 00:10:05,708 I mean, it's sort of curious to meet you because we've met 190 00:10:05,791 --> 00:10:09,458 with second-hand stories, but you were there from the beginning. 191 00:10:09,541 --> 00:10:10,416 [Wendy] Oh. 192 00:10:10,500 --> 00:10:14,666 I spent so much time with him. I mean, I saw him basically every day. 193 00:10:14,750 --> 00:10:18,083 But I asked him flat out. I said, "Is it true that... 194 00:10:18,875 --> 00:10:22,541 you did eat some of the body parts?" And he said yes. 195 00:10:23,166 --> 00:10:25,708 I actually asked him how he prepared it... 196 00:10:26,666 --> 00:10:28,208 and he... 197 00:10:28,875 --> 00:10:33,875 he said that he went and got a meat tenderizer from Sears, and he... 198 00:10:34,958 --> 00:10:37,750 basically just cooked it up like you would cook up any steak. 199 00:10:38,708 --> 00:10:42,708 And I gave him a piece of paper one day and he drew for me 200 00:10:42,791 --> 00:10:45,166 what was the shrine. 201 00:10:45,250 --> 00:10:47,958 [Natalie] I've seen a picture a thousand times. That's the shrine? 202 00:10:48,041 --> 00:10:50,291 [Wendy] And he signed it at the bottom and dated it. 203 00:10:50,416 --> 00:10:51,333 [Natalie] Holy cow! 204 00:10:51,458 --> 00:10:55,125 [David] Oh, so he was going to have a whole little sort of-- 205 00:10:55,208 --> 00:10:59,583 [Wendy] He did. He saved the entire bodies of these two on the end. 206 00:10:59,708 --> 00:11:00,875 He had a thing for hands. 207 00:11:00,958 --> 00:11:04,250 He had saved the hands a lot of times and obviously the penis. 208 00:11:05,041 --> 00:11:07,958 And then he had this lamp that had these globes 209 00:11:08,041 --> 00:11:12,541 that kind of went over the top of each one of the skulls that he would have, 210 00:11:12,625 --> 00:11:13,875 to kind of highlight it. 211 00:11:14,541 --> 00:11:16,666 And then he would just sit there in his chair. 212 00:11:16,791 --> 00:11:18,291 BLACK PLUSH CHAIR 213 00:11:18,416 --> 00:11:21,916 And it was his own little shrine to himself. 214 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:26,041 It's so odd 'cause it's almost like a child's drawing 215 00:11:26,125 --> 00:11:29,041 and yet it's about something so incredibly... 216 00:11:29,125 --> 00:11:31,291 I mean, this is like True Detective or something. Right? 217 00:11:31,375 --> 00:11:32,208 [Wendy] Right. 218 00:11:32,291 --> 00:11:33,833 -But beyond. -[Wendy] Way beyond. 219 00:11:34,833 --> 00:11:39,208 [narrator] It’s so eerie thinking of Dahmer drawing this and signing it. 220 00:11:40,750 --> 00:11:42,375 Then Wendy surprises us. 221 00:11:42,958 --> 00:11:45,250 A tape of one of her interviews with Dahmer. 222 00:11:46,750 --> 00:11:48,458 [David] So this was his first... 223 00:11:48,541 --> 00:11:51,708 This was him talking about his first Milwaukee victim. 224 00:11:51,791 --> 00:11:52,625 Right. 225 00:11:56,166 --> 00:11:58,166 [sound of tape recorder] 226 00:11:58,916 --> 00:12:01,208 [Wendy] You were telling me about your motivation 227 00:12:01,291 --> 00:12:03,125 is the fact that you wanted them to stay. 228 00:12:03,708 --> 00:12:07,416 Was it also for you the type of thing that was sexually arousing? 229 00:12:08,291 --> 00:12:09,500 [Dahmer] Yeah, it was. 230 00:12:09,833 --> 00:12:11,791 [Wendy] At the time hat you were strangling him? 231 00:12:11,875 --> 00:12:14,250 [Dahmer] Not at that time, but afterwards. 232 00:12:14,708 --> 00:12:16,041 [narrator] Hearing Dahmer’s voice 233 00:12:16,125 --> 00:12:18,583 spelling out the gruesome details is chilling, 234 00:12:19,125 --> 00:12:21,250 and Natalie seems to be in a trance. 235 00:12:21,333 --> 00:12:22,666 -[Wendy] You were not erect? -No. 236 00:12:22,791 --> 00:12:25,125 [Dahmer] Just knowing that he was with me... 237 00:12:25,208 --> 00:12:26,875 [Dahmer indistinctively speaking] 238 00:12:26,958 --> 00:12:29,625 that he was still there. 239 00:12:30,291 --> 00:12:32,416 He might have been a body only, but... 240 00:12:33,375 --> 00:12:37,666 [Wendy] Did you do anything sexual to his body after you strangled him? 241 00:12:38,208 --> 00:12:41,333 [Dahmer] Ah! Let's see... 242 00:12:42,375 --> 00:12:43,500 ta-dah! 243 00:12:56,916 --> 00:12:58,375 How was that for you, Natalie? 244 00:12:58,458 --> 00:13:01,750 That was... Wendy is so cool. It was fantastic. She's... 245 00:13:02,208 --> 00:13:04,791 knowledgeable and matter-of-fact and... 246 00:13:05,750 --> 00:13:09,500 really brings home that this is something that really happened. 247 00:13:10,208 --> 00:13:15,500 And seeing the papers that she has, the drawing of the shrine that he made, 248 00:13:15,583 --> 00:13:18,375 I couldn't take my eyes of it. You couldn't either. I could tell. 249 00:13:18,458 --> 00:13:19,791 -[David] No. -Going back to it. 250 00:13:19,875 --> 00:13:21,583 -[David] It was captivating. -It really was. 251 00:13:21,666 --> 00:13:23,208 Just this simple line drawing. 252 00:13:24,125 --> 00:13:26,083 [narrator] As someone who’s never killed anyone, 253 00:13:26,166 --> 00:13:28,666 or made a trophy room full of skulls, 254 00:13:28,916 --> 00:13:32,291 it’s sort of fascinating getting inside the mind of someone who has. 255 00:13:33,083 --> 00:13:36,583 I think that’s why people like me and Natalie are drawn to this stuff. 256 00:13:36,875 --> 00:13:39,791 It’s like taking a weird holiday, some escapism, 257 00:13:40,166 --> 00:13:43,125 before going back to your normal, dull existence, 258 00:13:43,208 --> 00:13:46,791 grateful you’re alive and don’t have any corpses rotting in your bathtub. 259 00:13:47,125 --> 00:13:51,791 I always just think, why are humans drawn to those sort of gross details? 260 00:13:51,875 --> 00:13:53,541 You just kind of are drawn to it. 261 00:13:53,625 --> 00:13:56,458 [Natalie] Even if  you're going, "Oh, my God, that's horrible. 262 00:13:56,541 --> 00:13:58,541 That's sick. Tell me more!" So... 263 00:13:58,625 --> 00:14:01,041 -Yes, tell me another gross thing. -Yeah. 264 00:14:01,125 --> 00:14:03,416 [Natalie] You're condemning it at the same time maybe, 265 00:14:03,500 --> 00:14:05,291 but you still want to hear 266 00:14:05,791 --> 00:14:07,083 and see more about it. 267 00:14:07,166 --> 00:14:10,208 [David] That's the thing. We're all sickos, Natalie. 268 00:14:10,291 --> 00:14:11,416 That's what I think. 269 00:14:12,583 --> 00:14:14,125 We just didn't know it until now. 270 00:14:18,750 --> 00:14:23,166 [narrator] I travel a thousand miles south to my next dark tourist destination: 271 00:14:23,250 --> 00:14:24,791 Dallas, Texas. 272 00:14:29,333 --> 00:14:30,708 [narrator] X marks the spot 273 00:14:30,791 --> 00:14:34,583 where President Kennedy was assassinated back in 1963. 274 00:14:38,041 --> 00:14:41,166 Looking around, It’s obvious JFK’s death 275 00:14:41,250 --> 00:14:44,833 is being exploited for money. And business is booming. 276 00:14:44,916 --> 00:14:47,583 [man] Second window down from the top. Look for the white box. 277 00:14:47,666 --> 00:14:49,500 [man] Second window down from the top. 278 00:14:49,583 --> 00:14:52,291 -[man] There have been fights down here. -[David] Fights? 279 00:14:52,708 --> 00:14:53,833 Over what? 280 00:14:53,916 --> 00:14:56,000 Over territory. Men are very territorial. 281 00:14:56,583 --> 00:14:58,416 So, we will get in fights over territory. 282 00:14:58,500 --> 00:15:01,041 -Do you want some payment for this? -Yes. 283 00:15:01,125 --> 00:15:03,291 -You do? How much is-- -Forty dollars. 284 00:15:03,458 --> 00:15:06,833 I've got... I can give you... 285 00:15:08,500 --> 00:15:09,458 twenty. Is twenty good? 286 00:15:09,541 --> 00:15:12,583 [narrator] I want to understand exactly how a grisly death 287 00:15:12,666 --> 00:15:14,875 can be turned into a tourist experience. 288 00:15:15,625 --> 00:15:17,500 [police car] So I’m going on the two biggest 289 00:15:17,583 --> 00:15:19,375 JFK tours in town. 290 00:15:19,791 --> 00:15:23,875 I’m curious to see who operates these tours and how they tell the story. 291 00:15:24,458 --> 00:15:28,416 My first tour promises to be the most in-depth and comprehensive. 292 00:15:28,500 --> 00:15:30,250 -Robin. -Hello! 293 00:15:30,333 --> 00:15:32,125 -I'm David. -David, I'm Robin. 294 00:15:32,208 --> 00:15:33,916 -It’s nice to meet you -Good to meet you. 295 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:35,541 There was no missing you here. 296 00:15:36,041 --> 00:15:37,375 -You stand out. -Did something... 297 00:15:37,458 --> 00:15:40,125 Did something make me stand out? Not my face. 298 00:15:40,208 --> 00:15:41,541 I know you're here... 299 00:15:42,125 --> 00:15:43,750 to take a look at the car. 300 00:15:43,833 --> 00:15:45,250 Oh, there’s no missing it! 301 00:15:45,750 --> 00:15:49,458 Really? Even someone your generation. I’m impressed, David! 302 00:15:49,541 --> 00:15:52,083 [narrator] Robin calls himself a historian, 303 00:15:52,166 --> 00:15:56,250 dedicating 40 years of his life to researching the JFK assassination. 304 00:15:56,958 --> 00:16:00,083 And he’s dead serious about all the details that come with it. 305 00:16:00,166 --> 00:16:03,791 [Robin] So, David, if you want to sit in the car where the president sat. 306 00:16:04,125 --> 00:16:05,583 -David, you ready? -I'm ready. 307 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:07,125 [Robin] Let's take a ride. 308 00:16:08,333 --> 00:16:10,791 [Robin] What my customers want to do 309 00:16:10,875 --> 00:16:16,083 is to re-live President Kennedy’s motorcade route. 310 00:16:16,166 --> 00:16:19,333 We’re on it right now. What we’re talking about 311 00:16:19,416 --> 00:16:23,625 is on that on that day, November 22, 1963, 312 00:16:23,708 --> 00:16:27,666 an American president, our 35th president, John F. Kennedy... 313 00:16:28,416 --> 00:16:31,625 was publicly and brutally murdered. 314 00:16:32,291 --> 00:16:34,041 That is ground zero. 315 00:16:34,458 --> 00:16:36,166 That's where it happened. 316 00:16:36,250 --> 00:16:41,125 That cross represents where the president is when he first reacts to a bullet. 317 00:16:41,708 --> 00:16:44,416 5.9 seconds later, 318 00:16:44,500 --> 00:16:47,708 the president's head is taken off right here. 319 00:16:48,416 --> 00:16:49,791 Look at the picket fence. 320 00:16:50,333 --> 00:16:54,083 There are professional assassins behind that fence, David. There's also a shooting team in the Dal-Tex Building that day, 321 00:16:58,250 --> 00:17:00,125 waiting for the president. 322 00:17:00,208 --> 00:17:02,000 [narrator] Robin is utterly convinced 323 00:17:02,083 --> 00:17:04,750 that multiple people conspired to kill the president. 324 00:17:04,833 --> 00:17:07,125 [Robin] Zapruder's offices are in that building, 325 00:17:07,208 --> 00:17:09,250 right there, 501 Elm Place. 326 00:17:09,333 --> 00:17:12,791 By the way, some things y'all need to know about the Zapruder film... 327 00:17:12,875 --> 00:17:14,166 [narrator] I really like Robin, 328 00:17:14,250 --> 00:17:17,625 but I feel like I’m stuck in a car with my eccentric uncle. 329 00:17:18,250 --> 00:17:20,708 And for someone calling themselves an historian, 330 00:17:20,791 --> 00:17:24,000 this was sounding a lot more conspiratorial than I expected. 331 00:17:24,083 --> 00:17:28,958 [Robin] But he's not on the sixth floor in that corner window with a rifle, 332 00:17:29,041 --> 00:17:33,333 although there is someone in that window at that moment with a rifle. 333 00:17:33,416 --> 00:17:35,833 [David] How do you retain all this information? 334 00:17:36,250 --> 00:17:38,166 It's constant. It never stops. 335 00:17:38,250 --> 00:17:40,250 You know, David, I mentioned the other day 336 00:17:40,333 --> 00:17:43,291 I was with a couple from Brisbane for nine hours. 337 00:17:44,750 --> 00:17:49,333 -I didn't shut up for nine hours. -Is that why you started doing the tour? 338 00:17:49,416 --> 00:17:51,416 'Cause your family got sick of hearing about it? 339 00:17:52,458 --> 00:17:54,083 Yeah, I needed another audience. 340 00:17:54,708 --> 00:17:58,291 [narrator] Robin ditches the motorcade, but that doesn’t slow him down. 341 00:17:58,583 --> 00:17:59,875 [Robin] Okay, let's keep up. 342 00:18:00,916 --> 00:18:03,250 -[David] You're quick. We're motoring. -[Robin] Come on! 343 00:18:03,500 --> 00:18:07,250 In 1964, in the Spring of '64, David, 344 00:18:07,333 --> 00:18:09,791 the Warren Commission members come to Dallas 345 00:18:09,875 --> 00:18:13,875 because they want to get in that window, because whoever's firing from that window 346 00:18:13,958 --> 00:18:15,375 can't see the President. 347 00:18:15,458 --> 00:18:17,458 -There's cars coming. -That's okay. 348 00:18:17,541 --> 00:18:19,291 The President, when he... Come on! 349 00:18:20,125 --> 00:18:22,958 When you're on the trail of the assassins, it gets dangerous. 350 00:18:23,041 --> 00:18:25,625 I can tell. I can tell that you get excited by it. 351 00:18:25,708 --> 00:18:29,125 Well, David, even though I do this a lot... 352 00:18:29,791 --> 00:18:32,833 these events still... boil my blood. 353 00:18:32,916 --> 00:18:35,083 I get... I'm a little wound up. 354 00:18:35,708 --> 00:18:40,291 The president was executed publicly and brutally right here... 355 00:18:41,125 --> 00:18:44,166 because he was withdrawing from Vietnam. 356 00:18:44,250 --> 00:18:46,375 [narrator] Robin's a patriot at heart, 357 00:18:46,458 --> 00:18:50,000 but he’s convinced the official inquiry got it wrong. 358 00:18:50,083 --> 00:18:53,250 And this tour is his way of setting the record straight. 359 00:18:53,333 --> 00:18:56,625 He says that JFK was killed by a sinister alliance 360 00:18:56,708 --> 00:19:00,750 between the CIA and the mafia, which involved multiple gunmen. 361 00:19:01,041 --> 00:19:04,041 By now, Robin’s been going for four hours, 362 00:19:04,125 --> 00:19:06,750 and I’m worried he’s gunning to beat his record of nine. 363 00:19:06,833 --> 00:19:09,125 ...and it's blown out the back of his skull. The President's head is taken off. 364 00:19:11,583 --> 00:19:14,291 -A third of his brain is gone. -[David] You're getting an audience. 365 00:19:14,875 --> 00:19:17,541 [narrator] And on top that, he keeps getting distracted. 366 00:19:17,625 --> 00:19:18,708 He would do things like 367 00:19:18,791 --> 00:19:21,583 political assassinations and overthrow governments... 368 00:19:21,666 --> 00:19:24,250 [narrator] I get the feeling Robin isn’t in this for the money. 369 00:19:24,541 --> 00:19:28,166 He just wants to spread his truth to anyone who'll listen. 370 00:19:28,250 --> 00:19:30,833 There’s shooters behind this fence. You stay with us. 371 00:19:31,625 --> 00:19:33,833 [narrator] Robin's keen to continue the tour, 372 00:19:33,916 --> 00:19:37,166 but I'm already late for my next JFK experience, 373 00:19:37,250 --> 00:19:39,791 so I take the chance to quietly slip away. 374 00:19:41,750 --> 00:19:43,583 But there’s one slight hurdle. 375 00:19:43,666 --> 00:19:47,166 I’ve been caught in the crossfire of Robin’s endless tour. 376 00:19:47,250 --> 00:19:48,583 Your pin number, please. 377 00:19:48,666 --> 00:19:50,666 A hundred and five dollars later... 378 00:19:51,250 --> 00:19:55,958 I travel to the other, slightly shadier side of town to meet Ricardo, 379 00:19:56,041 --> 00:19:58,166 who’s known for his speedier tours, 380 00:19:58,250 --> 00:20:00,791 probably helped by the fact he tells the official, 381 00:20:00,875 --> 00:20:03,708 much shorter version of who killed the president. 382 00:20:04,166 --> 00:20:06,291 I wonder what his take on the story is. 383 00:20:06,375 --> 00:20:09,208 [Ricardo] The cool thing about Kennedy standing here is that... 384 00:20:09,291 --> 00:20:10,708 we put him here for a reason. 385 00:20:11,333 --> 00:20:12,958 So you can come up and take a selfie. 386 00:20:13,541 --> 00:20:14,416 [David] Aha! 387 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:19,166 There's a Lincoln Continental. We've got the cruisers, and then we have the buses. 388 00:20:19,500 --> 00:20:22,375 Yeah, right. Does Robin keep... What's Robin's car doing here? 389 00:20:22,458 --> 00:20:25,041 [Ricardo] Yeah, his car, we store it here. We take care of it. 390 00:20:25,125 --> 00:20:25,958 [David] Right. 391 00:20:26,458 --> 00:20:28,291 If something happens, we need it cleaned up. 392 00:20:28,375 --> 00:20:30,083 [David] I thought he was the competition? 393 00:20:30,166 --> 00:20:32,416 No, no. Definitely not. No, he's a good friend. 394 00:20:32,500 --> 00:20:34,958 What do you make of his tour? He has a very different operation. 395 00:20:35,041 --> 00:20:37,375 He has a totally different operation than we do, yeah. 396 00:20:37,458 --> 00:20:40,375 We grab his six-hour tour, and we break it down to about 15 minutes. 397 00:20:40,458 --> 00:20:44,125 -So it's not like Robin's seven-hour-- -No, no. That's an expedition, brother. 398 00:20:44,208 --> 00:20:48,083 The cool thing about the bus, this is the new VR tour that we have. 399 00:20:48,166 --> 00:20:49,375 -[David] VR? -What? 400 00:20:49,458 --> 00:20:51,291 -Virtual reality. -You've got it, brother. 401 00:20:51,375 --> 00:20:52,250 You're moving into VR? 402 00:20:52,333 --> 00:20:54,875 It's such an unusual way to show off the city, as well, 403 00:20:54,958 --> 00:20:57,458 ‘cause this is all about someone's assassination. 404 00:20:57,541 --> 00:20:59,083 Well, I do find it strange. 405 00:20:59,166 --> 00:21:02,166 Sometimes I think "Man, I'm making money off the assassination of Kennedy." 406 00:21:02,250 --> 00:21:05,333 You know? But I'm also historically giving a story. 407 00:21:05,833 --> 00:21:09,333 [narrator] Ricardo’s keeping the story alive with new technology, 408 00:21:09,666 --> 00:21:12,625 but I wonder if it might be getting in the way of the facts. 409 00:21:12,708 --> 00:21:16,000 [Ricardo] Once in a while, you'll get a person that thinks it's kind of tacky, 410 00:21:16,083 --> 00:21:17,750 but that's one in a million. 411 00:21:17,833 --> 00:21:21,583 And if it's not you doing it, someone else will come in and fill that spot. 412 00:21:21,666 --> 00:21:23,375 -And fill that spot, probably. -Yeah. 413 00:21:23,458 --> 00:21:25,916 -I don't know if they'll do VR. -No one's pushing it this far. 414 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:27,791 No, nobody's pushing it this far, no. 415 00:21:28,250 --> 00:21:30,750 [narrator] I’m fascinated by all the different ways 416 00:21:30,833 --> 00:21:32,541 he’s cashing in on the killing. 417 00:21:32,750 --> 00:21:37,291 Today he wants to shoot a new VR scene involving Lee Harvey Oswald. 418 00:21:37,791 --> 00:21:41,291 He was the man the official inquiry says pulled the trigger 419 00:21:41,375 --> 00:21:44,750 and afterwards fled to this suburban boarding house. 420 00:21:44,833 --> 00:21:46,291 [Ricardo] How are you doing? 421 00:21:46,708 --> 00:21:50,541 [narrator] Pat grew up here and actually met Oswald when she was 11. 422 00:21:50,625 --> 00:21:52,583 [Pat] Welcome to 1963. 423 00:21:52,666 --> 00:21:55,333 -It looks amazing in here. -[Pat] Thank you. 424 00:21:55,416 --> 00:21:56,958 [David] Is this as it was? 425 00:21:57,041 --> 00:22:00,166 Yes, this is the configuration the house was in, 426 00:22:00,250 --> 00:22:03,833 in 1963, on the day of the assassination. 427 00:22:03,916 --> 00:22:06,625 [narrator] No one knows what happened in this house, 428 00:22:06,708 --> 00:22:09,458 so Ricardo’s going to fill in the gaps. 429 00:22:09,916 --> 00:22:12,208 He sees himself as a bit of an Oliver Stone. 430 00:22:12,291 --> 00:22:14,916 You know, he was always calm, anyway, you know what I mean? 431 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:16,208 [narrator] In today’s scene, 432 00:22:16,291 --> 00:22:20,041 Oswald has to come in to get a gun he'll later use to kill a policeman. 433 00:22:20,125 --> 00:22:22,333 -[Ricardo] Pat, I'm moving your pictures. -Okay. 434 00:22:23,166 --> 00:22:24,666 Let’s do it. All right, here we go. 435 00:22:27,041 --> 00:22:28,000 [Ricardo] Action. 436 00:22:35,041 --> 00:22:37,416 [Ricardo] Look around. Yeah, there you go. 437 00:22:37,708 --> 00:22:39,000 Putting the gun back there. 438 00:22:41,958 --> 00:22:44,291 [narrator] Even with a skilled director at the helm, 439 00:22:44,375 --> 00:22:47,625 Ricardo's Oswald seems to be cracking under pressure. [actor] Have to redo it. It wouldn't go in my... I couldn't get it to go. 440 00:22:51,250 --> 00:22:53,000 -[Ricardo] We've got to go again. -Yeah. 441 00:22:53,083 --> 00:22:54,375 -That's fine. -It was close. 442 00:22:54,458 --> 00:22:55,833 [Ricardo] Now, don't forget... 443 00:22:56,625 --> 00:23:00,250 [Ricardo] Kyle, who's playing Oswald, if it was the real Lee Harvey Oswald, 444 00:23:00,333 --> 00:23:03,083 he just killed President Kennedy about 45 minutes ago. 445 00:23:03,166 --> 00:23:05,041 So what's he feeling and what's he really doing? 446 00:23:05,125 --> 00:23:06,625 -Stressed out. -There you go. 447 00:23:06,958 --> 00:23:08,625 -He's out there. -I think you captured that. 448 00:23:08,708 --> 00:23:12,416 -How was that for you? -Turned his back to the camera 449 00:23:12,500 --> 00:23:14,041 and put the gun 450 00:23:14,125 --> 00:23:17,291 so that everybody could see that he was hiding the gun. 451 00:23:17,666 --> 00:23:19,625 I think that was a good move. 452 00:23:19,708 --> 00:23:21,750 -[David] You’ve got to make up some stuff. -Yeah. 453 00:23:22,083 --> 00:23:23,708 [David] Yeah, creative license. 454 00:23:24,416 --> 00:23:25,291 Okay. 455 00:23:25,375 --> 00:23:28,250 [narrator] I feel like Ricardo’s creative take on history 456 00:23:28,333 --> 00:23:30,333 might be getting in the way of the facts. 457 00:23:30,875 --> 00:23:32,625 I wonder what Robin would think. 458 00:23:32,708 --> 00:23:35,375 So I’ve arranged to catch up with him at his other job. 459 00:23:35,875 --> 00:23:40,166 When he’s not dealing in dead presidents, he's dealing in regular dead people. 460 00:23:40,541 --> 00:23:44,583 What do we have here? We have pine, we have oak, we have maple. 461 00:23:44,666 --> 00:23:46,041 We have mahogany. 462 00:23:46,833 --> 00:23:50,666 We have cherry. We have different species of wood. 463 00:23:51,375 --> 00:23:55,666 [narrator] Robin can’t help himself. Straight away, it feels like another tour. 464 00:23:55,791 --> 00:23:56,833 ...made of wood. 465 00:23:57,666 --> 00:24:00,000 So, we end up in this room. 466 00:24:00,083 --> 00:24:03,250 Whatever you're talking about, I feel you're a complete expert on. 467 00:24:03,750 --> 00:24:06,291 The history of any subject: golf, 468 00:24:06,375 --> 00:24:09,458 baseball, football, the sports we play in America. 469 00:24:09,541 --> 00:24:12,333 Golf history, very important to me. 470 00:24:12,416 --> 00:24:15,041 Of course, we know golf originated in Scotland. 471 00:24:15,125 --> 00:24:16,291 So, you're off again. 472 00:24:16,958 --> 00:24:18,291 -What? -On a topic. 473 00:24:18,375 --> 00:24:21,333 You pick a topic and you're just... you're deep into it. 474 00:24:21,958 --> 00:24:24,791 -It's remarkable. -Well, David, what can I say? 475 00:24:24,875 --> 00:24:27,041 Have you always been like that, since you were a kid? 476 00:24:27,125 --> 00:24:29,541 Yes, and I'm incurable, David. 477 00:24:30,583 --> 00:24:33,208 A few family members have tried to cure me. 478 00:24:33,291 --> 00:24:35,708 You do a thing that I've noticed that's quite a good technique, 479 00:24:35,791 --> 00:24:39,708 where you always say the person's name that you're talking to in the sentence. 480 00:24:40,250 --> 00:24:43,500 It makes you feel really wanted. Is that something you've always done? 481 00:24:43,583 --> 00:24:46,083 -[Robin] I learned this from my dad. -That's a dad trick. 482 00:24:46,291 --> 00:24:50,708 There's no sweeter sound to anyone's ears than their own name. 483 00:24:51,166 --> 00:24:52,708 It works. It really works. 484 00:24:52,791 --> 00:24:55,250 [Robin] Believe it, there are times that I like to be quiet. 485 00:24:55,333 --> 00:24:57,375 -I know you don't believe that. -I don't believe you. 486 00:24:57,458 --> 00:24:59,666 [Robin] But maybe I'll convince you later. 487 00:24:59,833 --> 00:25:01,666 But, anyway... 488 00:25:02,958 --> 00:25:04,208 Shall we meet your wife? 489 00:25:04,750 --> 00:25:06,833 I think that would be fantastic. 490 00:25:07,500 --> 00:25:09,041 That is my-- 491 00:25:09,125 --> 00:25:10,583 [narrtor] Robin is rather proud 492 00:25:10,666 --> 00:25:13,000 that the house is modeled on the White House. 493 00:25:13,625 --> 00:25:17,208 And I wondered, who was the Jackie to his JFK? 494 00:25:17,583 --> 00:25:21,083 Who would live with this walking, talking Wikipedia page? 495 00:25:21,166 --> 00:25:22,625 [David] What do you think of his... 496 00:25:22,750 --> 00:25:25,625 I guess, his attention to detail and storytelling and... 497 00:25:25,708 --> 00:25:26,916 [wife] It drives me crazy. 498 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:28,375 -Does it? -[wife] It does. 499 00:25:28,458 --> 00:25:29,958 That's what you wanted her to say. 500 00:25:30,041 --> 00:25:32,708 Just give me the basic details and let's keep moving. 501 00:25:33,125 --> 00:25:36,833 But he likes to get into what we call the minutiae. 502 00:25:36,916 --> 00:25:40,208 -Do you want to see some more rooms? -Yeah, we'll have a look around. 503 00:25:40,291 --> 00:25:43,791 [narrator] This was my chance to see what Robin thought of Ricardo. 504 00:25:43,875 --> 00:25:46,916 Ricardo and I have very little in common... 505 00:25:47,833 --> 00:25:50,583 including the Kennedy assassination 506 00:25:50,666 --> 00:25:54,041 because he doesn't know a damn thing about the Kennedy assassination, 507 00:25:54,125 --> 00:25:55,500 and I've told him that to his face. 508 00:25:55,583 --> 00:25:57,791 Is that too blunt for an international audience? 509 00:25:57,875 --> 00:25:59,541 -[David] I think they can cope. -But... 510 00:25:59,833 --> 00:26:05,875 there is a market for Ricardo. Ricardo is a very good businessman. 511 00:26:05,958 --> 00:26:07,833 He knows how to entertain people. 512 00:26:07,916 --> 00:26:11,041 With Ricardo, it's more about entertainment. 513 00:26:12,041 --> 00:26:14,250 We have an unholy alliance. 514 00:26:14,333 --> 00:26:16,708 I've never met Ricardo, 515 00:26:16,791 --> 00:26:20,500 but I think the difference between Ricardo and Robin is 516 00:26:20,583 --> 00:26:25,125 Robin is a historian, and Ricardo is a tourist trap. 517 00:26:25,208 --> 00:26:27,166 -[Ricardo] Are y'all ready? -[tourists] Ready! [Ricardo] I can't hear you in the back, folks! 518 00:26:29,375 --> 00:26:31,666 -[Ricardo] Are y'all ready? -[tourists] Yeah! 519 00:26:31,750 --> 00:26:34,166 [Ricardo] Let's do this! Bubanowskis! 520 00:26:34,291 --> 00:26:41,250 [music] 521 00:26:41,916 --> 00:26:44,666 [Ricardo] Ladies and gentlemen, look over to the right side. 522 00:26:44,750 --> 00:26:47,416 [Ricardo] We have Mrs. Kennedy coming on our tour with us. 523 00:26:47,500 --> 00:26:52,166 [narrator] Like his VR experience, Ricardo's night tours are pretty bizarre. 524 00:26:52,750 --> 00:26:58,125 The tours retrace JKF’s last ride in a convoy of Texas-themed golf buggies, 525 00:26:58,208 --> 00:27:00,458 complete with their own pumping sound systems. 526 00:27:02,125 --> 00:27:04,625 Ricardo is all about adding value. 527 00:27:04,708 --> 00:27:07,166 -Can I hear an "amen"? -Amen! 528 00:27:07,250 --> 00:27:09,333 That's what I'm talking about. Ms. Jackie, come on out. 529 00:27:09,416 --> 00:27:12,500 [narrator] He pays an actress to dress up as Kennedy’s wife. 530 00:27:12,833 --> 00:27:15,250 And in this town, bad taste or not... 531 00:27:15,916 --> 00:27:17,041 she's a photo magnet. 532 00:27:17,125 --> 00:27:19,041 Jackie's been quite depressed tonight, but... 533 00:27:20,083 --> 00:27:21,833 she's cheering up for the photos. 534 00:27:21,916 --> 00:27:24,041 [Ricardo] Well, Jackie, she just lost her husband. 535 00:27:25,125 --> 00:27:29,208 -So she's acting sort of the part. -Are you kidding me? She has to. 536 00:27:29,708 --> 00:27:32,916 Once she puts that hat on, she's not even supposed to be smiling. 537 00:27:33,208 --> 00:27:34,750 -Right. -It's in her contract. 538 00:27:35,833 --> 00:27:38,125 [narrator] As we approach Dealey Plaza, 539 00:27:38,208 --> 00:27:42,000 Ricardo turns the music down and dials up the drama. 540 00:27:42,083 --> 00:27:46,666 [Ricardo] Ladies and gentlemen, on November 22nd, 1963, 541 00:27:46,750 --> 00:27:48,833 that road right there right behind us 542 00:27:48,916 --> 00:27:52,291 is the exact direction that President Kennedy was coming that day. 543 00:27:52,791 --> 00:27:56,041 But someone'll be on the top of the sixth floor of that building right there. 544 00:27:57,166 --> 00:27:59,083 And that man is Lee Harvey Oswald. 545 00:27:59,166 --> 00:28:01,208 [David] How important is the truth to you? 546 00:28:01,708 --> 00:28:04,500 I think more I go with the entertainment part, you know? 547 00:28:04,583 --> 00:28:06,083 Some people want to be... 548 00:28:06,166 --> 00:28:08,416 You come to a new city, you want to have a good time. 549 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,875 [Ricardo] That's us. Know what I mean? We know how to good time, 550 00:28:11,958 --> 00:28:14,458 and I will over-exaggerate some parts... 551 00:28:15,083 --> 00:28:16,583 but the story line we'll keep straight. 552 00:28:17,166 --> 00:28:21,666 Lee Harvey Oswald from the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository 553 00:28:21,750 --> 00:28:25,250 has that weapon pointing down, and the first shot will go off right here. 554 00:28:26,250 --> 00:28:27,458 It will miss the president, 555 00:28:27,541 --> 00:28:30,333 but the second shot will hit him right there where the X is. 556 00:28:30,916 --> 00:28:33,625 And automatically, Ms. Kennedy is covered with blood. 557 00:28:34,416 --> 00:28:36,166 She'll have bone fragments in her hair, 558 00:28:36,250 --> 00:28:38,750 and brain tissue is scattered all over the car. 559 00:28:40,541 --> 00:28:43,416 She just saw her husband's head explode right next to her. 560 00:28:45,250 --> 00:28:47,583 [narrator] It’s a hell of a way to end a tour, 561 00:28:47,666 --> 00:28:50,125 and it’s certainly killed the party vibe, 562 00:28:50,208 --> 00:28:52,083 but it’s definitely memorable. 563 00:28:52,166 --> 00:28:55,541 And perhaps sometimes people need to be shocked 564 00:28:55,625 --> 00:28:57,166 so they don’t forget the past. 565 00:28:57,583 --> 00:29:00,416 [Ricardo] The only reason she doesn't want to move is ‘'cause she’s scared 566 00:29:00,583 --> 00:29:02,250 that more of his brain will just fall out. 567 00:29:03,208 --> 00:29:06,083 [narrator] With dark tourism, nothing is taboo. 568 00:29:06,166 --> 00:29:08,458 [Ricardo] And that is the end of your JFK tour. Ta-da! 569 00:29:08,541 --> 00:29:10,125 [narrator] And people love it. 570 00:29:16,208 --> 00:29:19,041 [narrator] Five hundred miles east, in the deep South, 571 00:29:19,125 --> 00:29:22,291 my last stop is in New Orleans, the Big Easy. 572 00:29:25,291 --> 00:29:29,416 Most tourists come here for the jazz or to dance on Bourbon Street. 573 00:29:31,833 --> 00:29:35,291 But you can also find vampire tours on every corner. 574 00:29:35,791 --> 00:29:37,625 [woman screaming] 575 00:29:37,750 --> 00:29:39,833 [narrator] While a lot of it is just theatrics, 576 00:29:39,916 --> 00:29:45,125 I've heard real vampires live here, ones that need human blood to survive. 577 00:29:46,125 --> 00:29:48,833 I'm going undercover as a dark tourist... 578 00:29:48,916 --> 00:29:52,375 to find the living dead and watch them feed. 579 00:29:53,166 --> 00:29:57,500 I meet a man called Maven, who makes a living making fangs, 580 00:29:57,583 --> 00:30:01,583 a vocation so rare, he invented his own job title. 581 00:30:01,666 --> 00:30:04,166 I started seeing this vision of... 582 00:30:04,500 --> 00:30:07,708 of a silhouetted blacksmith... 583 00:30:07,791 --> 00:30:10,541 pounding away at something. It just kind of came to me. 584 00:30:10,666 --> 00:30:14,750 And I said, "Blacksmith, blacksmith, blacksmith." And then I said, "Fangsmith." 585 00:30:15,583 --> 00:30:17,000 [David] Now here you are. 586 00:30:17,083 --> 00:30:19,000 -[David] Full-time fangsmith. -That's right. 587 00:30:19,333 --> 00:30:20,833 [David] Why are you getting fangs? 588 00:30:20,916 --> 00:30:24,833 Because I love it. I think it's absolutely sexy. 589 00:30:24,916 --> 00:30:27,333 -[Maven] Everybody loves vampires. -[girl laughing] Yeah. 590 00:30:27,666 --> 00:30:30,375 -[David] Are you a vampire, Maven? -What you're talking about? 591 00:30:30,458 --> 00:30:31,708 [Maven laughing] 592 00:30:32,041 --> 00:30:34,083 [David] Because you do have a certain look going. 593 00:30:34,166 --> 00:30:37,083 Oh, you know, would a predator tell its prey what it is? 594 00:30:37,291 --> 00:30:39,291 [David mumbling] 595 00:30:39,666 --> 00:30:41,041 It's a reasonable answer. 596 00:30:41,125 --> 00:30:44,750 But, I mean, do you identify as... a vampire? 597 00:30:44,833 --> 00:30:46,708 I got my first set of fangs... 598 00:30:47,750 --> 00:30:50,000 when I was 20... 21. 599 00:30:50,666 --> 00:30:53,791 And it was a very life-changing experience. I started feeling all these new feelings and I wanted to explore them. 600 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,916 I don't think there's any right or wrong... way to be a vampire. 601 00:31:02,916 --> 00:31:05,083 It's something very personal to everybody. 602 00:31:05,750 --> 00:31:08,875 [David] So it's like a scene. It's like being a goth 603 00:31:08,958 --> 00:31:11,458 -or an indie kid? -[Maven] No, it's not like being a goth. 604 00:31:11,541 --> 00:31:13,125 [Maven] One more close-up. 605 00:31:14,125 --> 00:31:16,041 [Maven] A little... There you go. 606 00:31:16,125 --> 00:31:18,958 I love it, thank you. Thank you. 607 00:31:19,041 --> 00:31:20,375 -[Maven] No problem. -I love them. 608 00:31:24,125 --> 00:31:27,875 [narrator] At a hundred and fifty dollars, it’s more expensive than being clamped. 609 00:31:28,666 --> 00:31:32,791 But if being fangsmithed will help me fit into this strange new world, 610 00:31:32,875 --> 00:31:34,583 I'm prepared to give it a go. 611 00:31:35,291 --> 00:31:38,541 -Well, are you ready for the big reveal? -Yeah, I’d like to see them. 612 00:31:38,625 --> 00:31:40,166 Okay. Have a look. 613 00:31:42,416 --> 00:31:43,541 Oh, they’re great. 614 00:31:46,208 --> 00:31:48,166 [narrator] Now I've got Maven's trust, 615 00:31:48,250 --> 00:31:52,958 he tells me I should meet a couple who’ve recently had an elaborate vampire wedding. 616 00:31:54,625 --> 00:31:58,625 What I get excited about is the fact they claim to drink human blood. 617 00:31:59,791 --> 00:32:03,416 [groom] I vow to share every part of myself with you in this life... 618 00:32:04,208 --> 00:32:05,750 and every life hereafter. 619 00:32:07,458 --> 00:32:11,625 [narrator] Logan and Daley agree to meet me and bring along their “donor.” 620 00:32:12,333 --> 00:32:13,666 I’m over the moon. 621 00:32:13,750 --> 00:32:17,208 I’m about to see some neck biting and furious sucking. 622 00:32:17,916 --> 00:32:19,291 [David] Can I level with you? 623 00:32:19,375 --> 00:32:22,125 I just look at you guys and I think you're here as food. 624 00:32:23,625 --> 00:32:25,166 No, that's just me. 625 00:32:25,250 --> 00:32:26,708 -[Daley] That's true. -That is what... 626 00:32:26,791 --> 00:32:29,083 That's how you came into this relationship? 627 00:32:29,583 --> 00:32:32,041 [David] You all feel quite sexually charged to me. 628 00:32:32,541 --> 00:32:34,875 -Thank you! -[blonde] That's just all the time. 629 00:32:35,458 --> 00:32:38,500 I mean, yeah, even your breasts are always out there. 630 00:32:38,583 --> 00:32:40,583 -They're just lovely. -You know, I can't really-- 631 00:32:40,666 --> 00:32:42,583 She just can't control these half the time. 632 00:32:42,666 --> 00:32:44,958 Is it like feeding and sex at the same time? 633 00:32:45,041 --> 00:32:50,750 I feed primarily sexually. That's where I get the most out of it. 634 00:32:51,375 --> 00:32:55,041 In this whole situation, is it like a threesome... of some kind? 635 00:32:55,125 --> 00:32:57,666 -[Logan] Sometimes. -[David] So it is all a big... 636 00:32:58,375 --> 00:33:00,041 -Sometimes. -[David] Sort of... Okay. 637 00:33:00,125 --> 00:33:03,666 I just kind of feel like I want to see... the process. 638 00:33:04,666 --> 00:33:05,958 [David] Is that appropriate? 639 00:33:06,041 --> 00:33:08,375 If they’re fine with it, then I’m fine with it. 640 00:33:09,083 --> 00:33:10,916 I’ll take one little one here... 641 00:33:12,833 --> 00:33:16,208 and another one directly to the side, so that way it just kind of opens up. 642 00:33:17,916 --> 00:33:20,708 [Logan] I always like it to trickle, just a little bit. 643 00:33:21,166 --> 00:33:23,791 [Logan] Visual stimulation, mental stimulation. 644 00:33:31,083 --> 00:33:32,458 [Logan] Always very gentle. 645 00:33:34,166 --> 00:33:37,666 [creapy music] 646 00:33:37,750 --> 00:33:40,333 [narrator] I don't fully understand what's going on. 647 00:33:40,416 --> 00:33:42,250 [creapy music] 648 00:33:42,333 --> 00:33:45,083 [narrator] This feels a bit more sex than survival. And It was hardly the bloodbath I was expecting. 649 00:33:49,875 --> 00:33:51,458 [creapy music] Thank you so much, darling. 650 00:33:52,916 --> 00:33:56,291 [narrator] While I’m grateful hey had let me into their private world, 651 00:33:56,375 --> 00:33:59,333 I’m not convinced they need each other’s blood to stay alive, 652 00:33:59,416 --> 00:34:02,125 which is my definition of a vampire. 653 00:34:02,916 --> 00:34:07,291 I do have one last hope, and it’s way off any tourist trail. 654 00:34:08,458 --> 00:34:11,541 I’ve been told about a house out in the suburbs, 655 00:34:11,625 --> 00:34:15,000 which is home to a bunch of authentic vampires. 656 00:34:16,291 --> 00:34:18,708 There, I’ll be front row at a vampire ritual 657 00:34:18,791 --> 00:34:21,750 where someone feeds on blood for survival. 658 00:34:22,250 --> 00:34:23,458 -Laurie, how are you? -Hello. 659 00:34:23,541 --> 00:34:24,750 -I'm David. -Nice to meet you. 660 00:34:24,833 --> 00:34:27,500 [narrator] Despite living forever, apparently, 661 00:34:27,583 --> 00:34:29,500 vampires still celebrate birthdays. 662 00:34:29,583 --> 00:34:32,708 [Laurie] Yes. We have a birthday. We have a birthday party tonight. 663 00:34:32,791 --> 00:34:36,250 [narrator] So far, everything seems fairly mundane. 664 00:34:36,333 --> 00:34:39,833 I wonder if they’re all here for the blood or just a slice of cake. 665 00:34:39,916 --> 00:34:42,250 -There's some people in there. -[David] People everywhere. 666 00:34:42,333 --> 00:34:44,833 -There’s another bathroom in there, too. -I'm David. 667 00:34:45,375 --> 00:34:47,041 -Hi, David. -This is David. 668 00:34:47,166 --> 00:34:48,416 -Donovan. -Donovan. 669 00:34:48,500 --> 00:34:50,166 -I'm Zar. -Zar. Nice to meet you, Zar. 670 00:34:50,250 --> 00:34:51,125 Nice to meet you! 671 00:34:51,208 --> 00:34:54,541 And I understand everyone here is a vampire, is that correct? -Everyone that we know, yeah. -Amazing. Except us and our crew. 672 00:34:58,541 --> 00:34:59,666 We don't know that. 673 00:34:59,750 --> 00:35:02,958 I don't know that yet, actually. I might be, I just don't know it. 674 00:35:03,041 --> 00:35:03,958 You don't know. 675 00:35:05,333 --> 00:35:08,583 We went on the vampire tour when we got here 676 00:35:08,666 --> 00:35:10,833 and we met a few vampires, 677 00:35:10,916 --> 00:35:13,791 and it just seemed like everyone was putting on an act, whereas you seem 678 00:35:13,875 --> 00:35:18,166 much more like a real... You don't feel like you're acting to me. 679 00:35:18,250 --> 00:35:21,791 Well, this is my home. I mean, this is my life. This isn't... 680 00:35:22,125 --> 00:35:26,625 This isn't a show. This is our family. This is family to us. 681 00:35:26,708 --> 00:35:31,083 May not be necessarily accepted by their biological family. 682 00:35:31,166 --> 00:35:34,083 People call that chosen family. That is the cutest thing! 683 00:35:34,625 --> 00:35:36,833 That is the cutest thing. 684 00:35:36,916 --> 00:35:41,166 [David] Is this your typical vampire birthday party, would you say? 685 00:35:41,250 --> 00:35:42,708 [Laurie] We like any excuse to eat. 686 00:35:42,791 --> 00:35:46,166 [people laughing] Any holiday to get together! 687 00:35:46,875 --> 00:35:50,625 [narrator] It’s surprisingly stress-free hanging out with vampires. 688 00:35:51,541 --> 00:35:54,125 But I’m still hungry to see someone drink some blood. 689 00:35:56,083 --> 00:36:02,416 [singing psalm in foreign language] 690 00:36:05,875 --> 00:36:12,416 [singing psalm in foreign language] 691 00:36:13,750 --> 00:36:20,208 [singing psalm in foreign language] 692 00:36:27,416 --> 00:36:29,166 [narrator] Zar starts chanting 693 00:36:29,250 --> 00:36:32,666 and spitting alcohol into the doorway to fend off bad spirits. 694 00:36:32,750 --> 00:36:34,625 [Zar] This is New Orleans’ voodoo. 695 00:36:35,625 --> 00:36:38,875 [narrator] I’m unsure if this is part of vampire culture, 696 00:36:38,958 --> 00:36:41,833 but he insists on doing it before feeding. 697 00:36:41,916 --> 00:36:45,125 [sound of thunders and rain] 698 00:36:45,291 --> 00:36:47,500 [Zar] What a lot of people don’t understand is... 699 00:36:48,500 --> 00:36:49,875 evil is brazen. 700 00:36:50,416 --> 00:36:52,583 It's not going to sneak up your drain pipes. 701 00:36:52,666 --> 00:36:54,500 It's not going to crawl through your windows. 702 00:36:54,583 --> 00:36:56,166 It's going to walk through your doors. 703 00:36:57,375 --> 00:36:59,958 [narrator] Zar has chosen his donor for the night... 704 00:37:00,541 --> 00:37:02,041 his roommate, Donovan. 705 00:37:02,916 --> 00:37:04,583 I'm excited by the idea... 706 00:37:05,250 --> 00:37:09,458 but nervous as hell for Donovan. Apparently, it’s his first time. 707 00:37:10,125 --> 00:37:11,583 He’s a virgin donor. 708 00:37:11,666 --> 00:37:13,583 Why are you doing this, I guess, was my question. 709 00:37:14,208 --> 00:37:16,583 Because I trust him, and if I was in the same position as him, 710 00:37:16,666 --> 00:37:18,375 I know he'd do the same for me. 711 00:37:18,458 --> 00:37:21,208 -[Zar] You may as well pop that off. -[David] And you guys... 712 00:37:21,291 --> 00:37:24,000 [David] You're gay, but you are not together. This is a-- 713 00:37:24,083 --> 00:37:26,250 -[Zar] Nah, he's straight. -[David] You're straight. 714 00:37:27,125 --> 00:37:30,208 You're gay. So, the feeding thing is just entirely separate 715 00:37:30,291 --> 00:37:32,250 from sexuality or sex. 716 00:37:32,333 --> 00:37:33,250 [Zar] Yeah. 717 00:37:33,916 --> 00:37:36,750 If he walked into my house straight, he'll leave my house straight. 718 00:37:37,625 --> 00:37:40,166 [narrator] I can’t help but feel this vampire stuff 719 00:37:40,250 --> 00:37:42,708 always ends up having a sexual vibe to it. 720 00:37:43,291 --> 00:37:45,625 Or maybe I’ve just watched too much Twilight. 721 00:37:45,708 --> 00:37:47,458 And how often do you need to do this? 722 00:37:47,541 --> 00:37:50,958 At my most hungry, if I'm super spiritually active... 723 00:37:52,125 --> 00:37:53,291 six ounces. 724 00:37:53,833 --> 00:37:54,916 That's quite a lot. 725 00:37:56,708 --> 00:37:59,125 Or is it not? It is to me because I don't have any. 726 00:37:59,208 --> 00:38:01,541 I don't need any blood, so it seems like a lot to me. 727 00:38:01,625 --> 00:38:04,333 [narrator] Six ounces is three quarters of a cup, 728 00:38:04,416 --> 00:38:06,208 for those who don’t do a lot of baking. 729 00:38:06,291 --> 00:38:08,250 [David] If you don't do this, what happens? 730 00:38:08,333 --> 00:38:13,458 [Zar] My hair will be dull and lifeless, my eyes will be kind of glazed over, 731 00:38:13,541 --> 00:38:15,500 hard for me to focus on things. 732 00:38:19,500 --> 00:38:21,333 [Zar] This is an antiseptic wash. 733 00:38:21,583 --> 00:38:25,250 [narrator] I had no idea vampires were so obsessed with hygiene. 734 00:38:31,666 --> 00:38:32,916 [Zar] Get it bleeding. 735 00:38:39,291 --> 00:38:43,041 See how it starts to... bleed out again. 736 00:38:43,125 --> 00:38:44,291 And how does that... 737 00:38:45,416 --> 00:38:47,416 feel... or taste or... 738 00:38:47,958 --> 00:38:49,041 In all honesty... 739 00:38:49,750 --> 00:38:52,541 when the blood hits my tongue, there's just this... 740 00:38:54,291 --> 00:38:55,958 I don't know, crackle of energy. 741 00:38:57,041 --> 00:38:58,125 So, I'm not... 742 00:39:02,458 --> 00:39:04,916 The easiest way to say it is, it's like... 743 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,541 It's very much like I've finally come to life. 744 00:39:08,916 --> 00:39:09,791 One more time. Okay. 745 00:39:11,875 --> 00:39:13,375 It is quite strange, isn't it? 746 00:39:15,125 --> 00:39:16,791 -What? -I mean this. 747 00:39:17,458 --> 00:39:19,250 I mean, we're in a little bathroom. 748 00:39:20,125 --> 00:39:22,291 You're getting your energy from... 749 00:39:23,666 --> 00:39:25,041 someone else's blood. 750 00:39:26,625 --> 00:39:27,708 [Zar] To quote... 751 00:39:29,416 --> 00:39:30,875 Anjelica Huston in... 752 00:39:31,750 --> 00:39:33,333 in The Addams Family, 753 00:39:33,416 --> 00:39:36,583 "What's normal for the spider is chaos to the fly." 754 00:39:38,750 --> 00:39:41,333 I've been prescribed prenatal vitamins. 755 00:39:41,416 --> 00:39:47,375 I've been prescribed vitamin B shots in the backside. I've been prescribed... 756 00:39:48,541 --> 00:39:51,666 stay away from this kind of food, eat this kind of food, 757 00:39:51,750 --> 00:39:54,500 drink this kind of drink, and none of it worked. 758 00:39:54,583 --> 00:39:55,666 But the blood does? 759 00:39:56,125 --> 00:39:58,583 [Zar] The blood helps me because I am a vampire. 760 00:40:03,500 --> 00:40:05,750 [singing happy birthday] 761 00:40:05,875 --> 00:40:10,208 Happy birthday, dear MK 762 00:40:12,416 --> 00:40:18,625 Happy birthday to you 763 00:40:18,708 --> 00:40:19,708 [everybody clapping] 764 00:40:19,833 --> 00:40:21,375 [narrator] This is definitely 765 00:40:21,458 --> 00:40:24,250 in my top ten birthday parties of all time. 766 00:40:24,750 --> 00:40:30,291 I’ve finally met some real vampires who feed on both blood and ice-cream cake. 767 00:40:31,416 --> 00:40:35,583 I had felt uneasy watching a grown man lick up Donovan's back blood... but I’ve decided vampirism has very little to do with actual blood 768 00:40:40,458 --> 00:40:44,166 and more to do with a group of outsiders finding a community. 769 00:40:44,416 --> 00:40:46,625 I’ve been waiting for this ice cream all day. 770 00:40:46,708 --> 00:40:48,541 [everybody laughing] 771 00:40:48,625 --> 00:40:51,208 [narrator] Being a dark tourist has given me access 772 00:40:51,291 --> 00:40:53,708 to a world I would never normally see. 773 00:40:54,416 --> 00:40:58,208 And I've found that even in the most secret, hidden corners, 774 00:40:58,291 --> 00:41:00,333 there’s always a glimmer of light.