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-(quiet rumbling)
-(jet roaring)
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-(clicking)
-(indistinct announcement)
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-(airport chatter)
-Walter Cronkite:
When he got on a plane
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in Portland,
Oregon, last night,
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he was just
another passenger.
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But today, after hijacking
a Northwest Airlines jet,
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a description on
one wire service...
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master criminal.
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Reporter 1:
It was Thanksgiving Eve, 1971,
when a hijacker named
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DB Cooper parachuted
out of the tail door
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of a Northwest
Airlines 727...
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Reporter 2:
A daring parachute
escape somewhere
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between Reno
and Seattle, Washington.
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(helicopter hovering)
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Reporter 3:
The only unsolved
airplane hijacking
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in United States history.
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Man:
He demanded $200,000
and four parachutes.
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Then, he disappeared.
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Reporter 4:
They really didn't know
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if the hijacker parachuted
around here.
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Reporter 5:
The story begins there,
but how it ends?
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That's the mystery.
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Reporter 6:
But today, they still
could not explain
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what really happened
to DB Cooper.
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Reporter 7:
Leaving only the question,
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did the man
the world now knows
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as the legendary
DB Cooper live...
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or did he die?
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♪ ♪
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Bruce Smith:
DB Cooper.
Don't know his identity.
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Don't know where
he came from.
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Don't know what
happened to him.
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It's just one more
mystery after another.
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♪
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Marla Cooper:
I remembered my father
telling me this story.
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"Don't you remember?
He hijacked that airplane."
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Ben Anjewierden:
He ended up
being my roommate,
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and he talked an awful
lot about hijacking.
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Bernie Rhodes:
He knew that I was
closing in on him.
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Cooper:
The first thing that kind
of hit in my head was
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that looks like my dad.
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Geoffrey Gray:
It almost defied
the imagination.
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Defied the imagination
to do it...
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and defied the imagination
to get away with it.
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(birds chirping)
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John Dower:
DB Cooper.
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Sounds like he's been
a big part of your life.
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Yeah.
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It's used up a lot of good years
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that I could've
put somewhere else.
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That I should have
put somewhere else.
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And I lost a lot of my life.
I mean, you know...
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I wish he had never
told me anything.
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(slide projector clicking,
focusing)
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♪ ♪
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He treated me nice.
He...
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When he would dance with you,
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he knew exactly where to
put his hand on your back.
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I mean, it was... I'd never
been treated like a queen.
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(projector clicking)
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Dower:
What did you know
about his past life?
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Weber:
I didn't ask.
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If you love someone,
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the past is not important.
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(clicking)
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We were married
March the 27th, 1978.
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He died on
March the 28th, 1995.
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And that's where
the story starts.
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(clicking, focusing)
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He was in the hospital
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three days before he died.
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-(ECG beeping)
-(ventilator hissing)
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He had some kidney disease.
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At first, he allowed
them to dialysize him,
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and then he removed
himself from the machine.
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The doctors told him
he would be dead
within so many days.
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When you're like that,
you're going back into things.
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Your brain takes you
back to your memories.
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-(ventilator hissing)
-(ECG beeping)
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I went to adjust
his pillow,
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and then he tries
to tell me something.
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(inaudible)
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He kept on rambling,
rambling,
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"I buried a bucket
and I don't know where--
I can't find the bucket."
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-Tim Collins: Jo.
-Huh?
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You know it
better than I do.
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No, the day, the day
you brought him,
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you brought him
to the hospice care,
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-and you were helping
him put on his pants.
-Weber: Uh-huh.
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And you asked him
about his knee.
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Yeah. He said he hurt
it jumping out of a plane.
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Right. Then,
you got to hospice care...
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And when the nurses left,
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he wanted to
tell you a secret.
He says, "Come closer."
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-And you thought
he wanted a cigarette.
-Weber: Yeah.
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-Collins:
So start, start with that.
-Weber: Right.
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(beeping)
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He says, "Jo,
you and I've got to talk."
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(inaudible)
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He was trying to
tell me who he was.
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He says-- talking about
jump out of a plane.
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I said,
"You jump out of a plane?
Come on. Gimme a break."
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And that's when he...
I'm gonna say a bad word.
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That's when
he shouted, "Oh, fuck!
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Let it die with me."
Well, then they came in
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and started giving
him injections.
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He still kept trying
to tell me the story.
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I did not know what
he was talking about.
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Dower:
But there was one key
thing he said to you.
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"I'm Dan Cooper."
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(ECG continuous beep)
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♪ ♪
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Those were
his last words...
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except, "I love you."
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Dower:
What did you do next?
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Called the FBI.
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♪ ♪
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Narrator 1:
The jet age is now here.
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The advent of
commercial flying
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by jet clipper.
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Near sonic speed,
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but inside, one of
the most stunning
discoveries.
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There is no feeling
of movement at all.
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(jet whirring)
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Narrator 2:
Now, over 400 flights a day
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by 22 airlines serving
over 80 destinations.
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You'll find this airplane
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much more roomy than
the ones you've been used to.
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♪
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Narrator 3:
If this is what comes
with the coffee,
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you can imagine
what goes before.
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Tina Mucklow:
Let's see if I can
find anything else.
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Some letters...
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My name is Tina,
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and, um, I was hijacked
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many years ago.
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-Dower: There's you.
-Mucklow: And there's me.
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Think I must've been 20 or 21
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at the time of the hijacking.
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They painted the job as
being glamorous, and it...
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I guess, to a certain extent,
it was glamorous.
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Narrator:
When a Braniff International
hostess
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meets you on the airplane...
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she'll be dressed like this.
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♪ ♪
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Pilot:
I believe that
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for every dollar that
our passengers give us,
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they're gonna get $1.50
back in terms of service.
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We do it because we want to
and not because we have to.
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Mucklow:
We signed a contract
that we wouldn't gain
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over a certain
amount of weight,
but when I was hired,
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even if you were married
and you became pregnant,
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you had to resign.
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Plus one thing no other
airline can ever offer.
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Me.
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It was a different world.
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Another airplane
has been hijacked.
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This time by a gunman who
said he wanted to go to Cuba
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because he said he was
tired of TV dinners.
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John Chancellor:
Governments of Cuba
and the United States
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are talking about getting
together to curb hijacking.
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The only time American
planes go to Cuba
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is when
they've been hijacked.
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(siren blaring)
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William Rataczak:
There was a fair amount
of frequency of hijacks.
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Typically Cuban nationals
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who wanted to return
to their homeland.
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Everybody on the airplane
would get a bottle of rum
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and a couple of cigars
and got back on the airplane
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and flew home and thought
it was really a fun thing.
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But this one was
different because it was
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a hijacking demanding money.
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Bill Mitchell:
I was coming home
for Thanksgiving
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from the University of Oregon.
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I had run into
Portland Airport.
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I threw down cash.
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This is 50 years ago,
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and there was no...
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metal detectors.
It was just...
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a different era.
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Bob Fuhriman:
All you had to
have was a ticket
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to get on the flight.
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Dower:
Security?
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What? (laughs)
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(plane idling)
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Mitchell:
You just walked up
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the back steps of
the stairs and sat down.
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He sat
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in the middle seat
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on the back row on the right.
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This guy in this suit and tie,
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he had sunglasses on,
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and it was dark.
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And I thought...
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that's not very cool.
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Rataczak:
Florence Schaffner, the number
two stewardess, was...
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tending to the passengers
when they came in,
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helping them find their seats
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and magazine handouts
and what have you.
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Um, and he gave her this note.
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And she thought he
was hitting on her.
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So she tucked it in
her coat pocket,
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if you will,
her jacket pocket.
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Finally, he said,
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"Miss, I want you
to read that note."
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Just as we were starting
to roll down the runway...
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(PA announcement)
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the flight attendant
next to me, Flo,
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handed me this note,
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and it said, um,
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"Miss, you're, um...
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you're being hijacked.
I've got a bomb.
Come sit next to me."
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He opened the briefcase
and showed me that
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there were these,
what looked like, dynamite.
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They were strapped together
with electrician's tape,
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and out of it was running wire,
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and there was a large battery.
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And he also expressed
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that he wasn't going
to be taken alive.
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(plane chatter)
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Rataczak:
We were rolling
down the runway.
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All of a sudden, we hear chimes.
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-(chiming)
-One chime is usually,
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"Would you like
a cup of coffee?"
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Harold Anderson:
Immediately followed by
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a number of rings.
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-(ringing)
-Rataczak:
When a series of chimes rings,
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that is an emergency.
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And it was Tina Mucklow
that came on--
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on the interphone,
and she said,
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"We are being hijacked,
and I'm serious."
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But it was too late
to abort the takeoff.
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(jet engines roaring)
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Mitchell:
I did think, you know,
this is, I guess,
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my college sophomore ego.
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But I couldn't
quite figure out
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why this young
flight attendant
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would be sitting next
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and talking to this guy.
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Mucklow:
He had ordered
a drink, a bourbon.
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He was a smoker,
and I actually lit
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several of his cigarettes
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because he didn't wanna take
his finger off that trigger.
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I said a prayer
for the passengers,
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and for the crew, and...
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for the hijacker as well.
256
00:13:07,980 --> 00:13:11,230
Um, you know, I didn't know
what his history was.
257
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I wanted to run.
258
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But, you know, on a 727,
259
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there's no place to run.
260
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♪ ♪
261
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(insects chirping)
262
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-Dower: If you could
mentally time travel...
-Ron Forman: Yeah.
263
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Dower:
...go back to that
very first day.
264
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Pat Forman:
I was just hanging out at
the airport, as always,
265
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and Ron took
266
00:13:36,563 --> 00:13:38,063
a break, and he said,
267
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"Let's go over
and talk to that lady
268
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that's out there
on the field."
269
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♪ ♪
270
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Ron:
Every weekend,
if the weather was good,
271
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she was up flying.
And if it was a rainy day,
272
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she would just be
sitting in her car,
273
00:13:49,521 --> 00:13:51,521
you know, if it's pouring
down, always by herself.
274
00:13:51,605 --> 00:13:53,688
And I thought there was
something unusual about her,
275
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but I didn't know what,
276
00:13:55,230 --> 00:13:57,480
so that's why I decided,
let's go talk to her, right?
277
00:13:58,897 --> 00:14:01,188
And then,
Ron was telling her
278
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that he had just got
his pilot's license,
279
00:14:04,230 --> 00:14:07,021
and he was
actually flying
280
00:14:07,104 --> 00:14:09,230
for the Kiwanis Club
to build up hours
281
00:14:09,313 --> 00:14:11,146
to get
a commercial license.
282
00:14:13,021 --> 00:14:15,563
Dower:
And what was
she like as a pilot?
283
00:14:15,647 --> 00:14:17,230
-Pat: Oh, man. (laughs)
-Ron: Great.
284
00:14:17,313 --> 00:14:20,271
-She was great.
And she was daring.
-Pat: She was a great pilot.
285
00:14:20,355 --> 00:14:23,063
-She had all the talents,
I mean...
-She had all the talents.
286
00:14:23,146 --> 00:14:25,688
Pat:
She was parachuting.
287
00:14:25,772 --> 00:14:28,813
Ron:
Then, after that, she came
over every Sunday night.
288
00:14:28,897 --> 00:14:31,271
When she came over, after
we knew her a year, right?
289
00:14:31,355 --> 00:14:33,521
That's when she
told us, you know...
290
00:14:33,605 --> 00:14:35,104
You-you-you tell that story.
291
00:14:35,188 --> 00:14:37,897
♪ ♪
292
00:14:37,980 --> 00:14:42,146
Pat:
Well, she came over one
Sunday night, as usual.
293
00:14:42,230 --> 00:14:45,980
She said that
she had something
that she had to tell us.
294
00:14:46,063 --> 00:14:49,271
All of a sudden,
I had this funny feeling.
295
00:14:49,355 --> 00:14:51,104
It was really weird.
296
00:14:51,188 --> 00:14:53,355
I started forming
in my mind that...
297
00:14:54,772 --> 00:14:57,480
maybe she used
to be a man.
298
00:14:57,563 --> 00:15:00,855
Can that be possible?
Can they do that?
299
00:15:00,939 --> 00:15:02,897
Barb stopped talking in
the middle of talking,
300
00:15:02,980 --> 00:15:04,563
and she told Ron,
she says,
301
00:15:04,647 --> 00:15:06,980
"Well, your wife knows now."
302
00:15:07,063 --> 00:15:09,146
(laughs)
303
00:15:09,230 --> 00:15:11,563
Then she started telling
us all the details
304
00:15:11,647 --> 00:15:13,438
of what she had gone through,
305
00:15:13,521 --> 00:15:15,688
and why she had
gone through it.
306
00:15:17,188 --> 00:15:19,313
Ron:
She was the first woman
to have a sex change
307
00:15:19,396 --> 00:15:21,271
-in Washington.
-Dower: Or the first man.
308
00:15:21,355 --> 00:15:25,480
-Yeah, first man!
Yeah, first man. Yeah.
-(laughing)
309
00:15:25,563 --> 00:15:28,772
Dower:
What was she called before
she had the sex change?
310
00:15:28,855 --> 00:15:31,313
Pat:
Her name was Robert Dayton.
311
00:15:32,313 --> 00:15:33,355
(click)
312
00:15:33,438 --> 00:15:38,104
Dower:
How did DB Cooper
first come up?
313
00:15:38,188 --> 00:15:41,647
Pat:
The pilots always are
discussing DB Cooper.
314
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-Dower: Well it's this area?
-Ron: Yeah, it's this
area right here.
315
00:15:43,980 --> 00:15:47,063
And it's one of the,
you know, a great mystery,
you know?
316
00:15:47,146 --> 00:15:48,688
Pat:
Every time there
was an article
317
00:15:48,772 --> 00:15:50,647
that said that DB Cooper
was an idiot,
318
00:15:50,730 --> 00:15:52,688
-that he did stupid things...
-Common criminal.
319
00:15:52,772 --> 00:15:55,563
He was a common criminal,
she would actually get angry.
320
00:15:55,647 --> 00:15:56,980
♪ ♪
321
00:15:57,063 --> 00:15:59,688
-She just went off.
-Ron: She really
defended DB Cooper.
322
00:15:59,772 --> 00:16:01,063
I just looked at her,
323
00:16:01,146 --> 00:16:03,063
and I don't know
what made me say it,
I just said,
324
00:16:03,146 --> 00:16:06,396
"You know what?
I know who DB Cooper is.
It's Barb."
325
00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:07,855
And, man, all of a sudden,
326
00:16:07,939 --> 00:16:11,188
she just stared at me,
gave me a really dirty look.
327
00:16:11,271 --> 00:16:13,313
She says,
"Don't ever
say that again."
328
00:16:15,146 --> 00:16:17,355
So I thought that
was kinda unusual.
329
00:16:17,438 --> 00:16:20,063
-(birds chirping)
-(plane flying)
330
00:16:20,146 --> 00:16:21,813
And then, it was a few--
331
00:16:21,897 --> 00:16:24,688
-a week or two later, right?
She came over. And I...
-Pat: Right.
332
00:16:24,772 --> 00:16:27,772
happened to have a
newspaper article about it,
you know,
333
00:16:27,855 --> 00:16:30,021
with a picture of
DB Cooper, the sketch.
334
00:16:30,104 --> 00:16:32,730
I said, "Let me comb
your hair to the side."
335
00:16:32,813 --> 00:16:35,605
So we combed it to the side,
and we put sunglasses on,
336
00:16:35,688 --> 00:16:37,521
and we had one of
the old Instamatic cameras.
337
00:16:37,605 --> 00:16:40,813
You know, you take a picture,
and it develops.
338
00:16:40,897 --> 00:16:43,104
-(flash)
-We were watching it
develop,
339
00:16:43,188 --> 00:16:45,563
and I looked at the sketch,
and I said, "Jesus Christ."
340
00:16:45,647 --> 00:16:49,063
I said,
"She really matches.
341
00:16:49,146 --> 00:16:51,104
I think maybe
she is DB Cooper."
342
00:16:51,188 --> 00:16:52,480
♪ ♪
343
00:16:52,563 --> 00:16:54,063
Pat:
We had another couple here.
344
00:16:54,146 --> 00:16:56,980
Ron:
A couple here, too,
a young couple here, too.
345
00:16:57,063 --> 00:16:59,438
And we all kind of just were
sitting around the table
346
00:16:59,521 --> 00:17:01,772
with our mouths open,
watching her, like,
347
00:17:01,855 --> 00:17:05,521
what is she--
what is she doing here?
348
00:17:05,605 --> 00:17:07,355
And all of a sudden,
she realized
349
00:17:07,438 --> 00:17:10,396
nobody was talking.
We were all sitting
there staring at her.
350
00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:12,480
And then she,
351
00:17:12,563 --> 00:17:16,188
you know, she said,
"Well," she says, "Okay.
352
00:17:18,438 --> 00:17:21,647
I am Dan Cooper."
353
00:17:21,730 --> 00:17:24,563
Ron:
The couple that was
with us, she panicked.
354
00:17:24,647 --> 00:17:26,480
-She just started screaming.
-(screaming)
355
00:17:26,563 --> 00:17:28,188
"We're all going to jail now,"
you know.
356
00:17:28,271 --> 00:17:30,313
And she just
went into a panic,
and she just tore it
357
00:17:30,396 --> 00:17:32,063
into little bitty pieces.
358
00:17:32,146 --> 00:17:34,355
Threw it down,
and they went home.
359
00:17:34,438 --> 00:17:36,980
♪ ♪
360
00:17:37,063 --> 00:17:40,104
We just spent another
sleepless night
361
00:17:40,188 --> 00:17:42,772
just like we did
when she told us
362
00:17:42,855 --> 00:17:45,939
she was a man
because we were...
363
00:17:46,021 --> 00:17:48,563
what if this is true?
I mean,
364
00:17:48,647 --> 00:17:50,230
what if, uh,
365
00:17:50,313 --> 00:17:51,647
she starts
thinking about it,
366
00:17:51,730 --> 00:17:53,772
and she just told us this,
and she comes back here
367
00:17:53,855 --> 00:17:56,855
-and kills us? (laughs)
-Yeah, 'cause we know
this secret, you know.
368
00:17:56,939 --> 00:18:00,188
(projector clicking, whirring)
369
00:18:00,271 --> 00:18:03,355
Pat:
I don't think I wanted
to believe it actually.
370
00:18:06,521 --> 00:18:08,313
♪ ♪
371
00:18:08,396 --> 00:18:11,980
But then there kept being more
and more and more things
372
00:18:12,063 --> 00:18:15,271
that were popping up.
373
00:18:15,355 --> 00:18:18,730
Then she started giving
us details about the jump.
374
00:18:18,813 --> 00:18:21,271
She said she jumped
from 10,000 feet.
375
00:18:21,355 --> 00:18:24,396
She kept the chute.
She didn't open
the chute till 1,000 feet.
376
00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,313
Pat:
She told us that she had tied
377
00:18:27,396 --> 00:18:30,647
-the money belt
around her waist...
-The strap around.
378
00:18:30,730 --> 00:18:32,772
...in a manner that, um,
379
00:18:32,855 --> 00:18:35,188
-she could use it
as a depth finder.
-Depth finder.
380
00:18:36,563 --> 00:18:39,647
And she described the dynamite
to us, too, right?
381
00:18:39,730 --> 00:18:42,063
And I said, "Was it
real dynamite, Barb?"
382
00:18:42,146 --> 00:18:43,813
"I don't do anything
phony," she said.
383
00:18:43,897 --> 00:18:46,104
-Got mad at me
because I brought that up.
-(laughing)
384
00:18:46,188 --> 00:18:48,230
♪ ♪
385
00:18:48,313 --> 00:18:52,230
Pat:
She told us that she landed
in the field near Woodburn.
386
00:18:52,313 --> 00:18:55,897
Which is a perfect place.
There is the Interstate 5,
387
00:18:55,980 --> 00:18:57,939
the freeway,
there's lights there.
388
00:18:58,021 --> 00:18:59,605
Did the jump,
changed her clothes,
389
00:18:59,688 --> 00:19:01,188
took off her suit and tie,
390
00:19:01,271 --> 00:19:03,688
put a blonde wig on.
391
00:19:03,772 --> 00:19:05,063
A policeman
could've picked her up.
392
00:19:05,146 --> 00:19:06,939
Could've hitchhiked home,
they would have never--
393
00:19:07,021 --> 00:19:09,104
She's got a wig on.
She's a woman.
394
00:19:09,188 --> 00:19:11,563
Who's gonna--
who's gonna stop her?
395
00:19:20,438 --> 00:19:24,355
♪ ♪
396
00:19:24,438 --> 00:19:26,230
Dower:
So what happened next?
397
00:19:27,647 --> 00:19:32,271
Anderson:
Well, once we got
into the climb,
398
00:19:32,355 --> 00:19:34,772
Florence Schaffner
came up to the cockpit
399
00:19:34,855 --> 00:19:38,355
with the other note that had
all of the demands on it.
400
00:19:41,313 --> 00:19:45,480
$200,000 in
negotiable currency,
401
00:19:46,521 --> 00:19:47,939
four parachutes,
402
00:19:48,021 --> 00:19:50,063
fuel truck standing by,
403
00:19:51,230 --> 00:19:54,188
and, "no fuzz."
404
00:19:54,271 --> 00:19:57,230
Rataczak:
That got us thinking that
405
00:19:57,313 --> 00:20:00,188
this guy is no dummy.
Four parachutes.
406
00:20:00,271 --> 00:20:03,230
One for him,
and one for each one of us.
407
00:20:03,313 --> 00:20:05,313
That was our concern that
408
00:20:05,396 --> 00:20:08,772
he wanted us to bail with him.
409
00:20:08,855 --> 00:20:13,438
I get a hold of our company
in Seattle on our
410
00:20:13,521 --> 00:20:15,021
discrete frequency,
411
00:20:15,104 --> 00:20:18,313
and tell them what's going on.
412
00:20:18,396 --> 00:20:20,980
So, the FBI was involved stat.
413
00:20:21,063 --> 00:20:23,855
-(phones ringing)
-(office chatter)
414
00:20:23,939 --> 00:20:25,813
Fuhriman:
I remember being in the office,
415
00:20:25,897 --> 00:20:29,897
and all of a sudden,
over the PA system,
came an announcement.
416
00:20:29,980 --> 00:20:32,021
Man (on PA):
Attention all agents.
417
00:20:32,104 --> 00:20:33,688
We've had a hijacking.
418
00:20:33,772 --> 00:20:35,438
Then a few minutes later,
the boss,
419
00:20:35,521 --> 00:20:36,980
the special agent in charge,
420
00:20:37,063 --> 00:20:38,480
came out of his office
and grabbed me.
421
00:20:38,563 --> 00:20:40,772
He says, "You're driving me
to the airport. Let's go."
422
00:20:40,855 --> 00:20:43,939
♪ ♪
423
00:20:45,563 --> 00:20:47,897
In any hijacking,
or a case like that,
424
00:20:47,980 --> 00:20:50,438
potentially lives
are at stake.
425
00:20:50,521 --> 00:20:51,939
But I just remember
he was saying,
426
00:20:52,063 --> 00:20:53,855
"Get me there. Let's go."
427
00:20:53,939 --> 00:20:56,730
(plane humming)
428
00:20:56,813 --> 00:20:59,521
I asked Scotty, I said,
"Scotty, do you think
I should make a PA
429
00:20:59,605 --> 00:21:02,563
"and kinda keep people from
roaming around the airplane
430
00:21:02,647 --> 00:21:04,063
while we're trying to
get organized here?"
431
00:21:04,146 --> 00:21:06,104
And he said,
"I think that's a good idea."
432
00:21:07,563 --> 00:21:10,104
My mother and dad told
me never to lie, but...
433
00:21:11,271 --> 00:21:13,146
I told a fib,
434
00:21:13,230 --> 00:21:15,813
and I told them that
we had a mechanical problem,
435
00:21:15,897 --> 00:21:17,313
but it was no
great consequence.
436
00:21:17,396 --> 00:21:18,980
It was just something
that we're gonna--
437
00:21:19,063 --> 00:21:20,897
We're gonna go up into
a holding pattern,
438
00:21:20,980 --> 00:21:23,980
most passengers will
refer to it as circling.
439
00:21:24,063 --> 00:21:26,688
(engines roaring)
440
00:21:26,772 --> 00:21:29,313
-(siren blaring)
-Fuhriman: We had no plan.
441
00:21:29,396 --> 00:21:31,521
The boss is talking to
Northwest Airline people,
442
00:21:31,605 --> 00:21:33,772
the airport people,
the airport police.
443
00:21:33,855 --> 00:21:35,897
Everybody was coordinating
who's gonna do what,
444
00:21:35,980 --> 00:21:38,230
how do we handle this?
What do we do?
445
00:21:38,313 --> 00:21:40,647
(engines roaring)
446
00:21:42,605 --> 00:21:44,104
Mucklow:
I did ask him
447
00:21:44,188 --> 00:21:46,563
did he have a grudge
with the airline.
448
00:21:46,647 --> 00:21:48,063
(inaudible)
449
00:21:48,146 --> 00:21:50,772
He said, "No.
I don't have a grudge
450
00:21:50,855 --> 00:21:53,480
with the airline,
but I do have a grudge."
451
00:21:53,563 --> 00:21:56,605
♪
452
00:22:02,772 --> 00:22:03,730
(tires screech)
453
00:22:03,813 --> 00:22:06,480
♪ ♪
454
00:22:06,563 --> 00:22:08,813
Fuhriman:
Upon landing in Seattle,
455
00:22:08,897 --> 00:22:10,688
the money,
456
00:22:10,772 --> 00:22:13,230
the parachutes were brought out.
457
00:22:14,438 --> 00:22:16,188
One of the flight attendants
458
00:22:16,271 --> 00:22:18,230
was allowed to get off
and pick those up.
459
00:22:21,688 --> 00:22:23,104
I got the money,
460
00:22:23,188 --> 00:22:25,438
brought it back to him.
461
00:22:25,521 --> 00:22:27,605
And then, we asked
462
00:22:27,688 --> 00:22:30,772
if he would allow
the passengers off.
463
00:22:30,855 --> 00:22:32,980
And once he had the money,
464
00:22:33,063 --> 00:22:35,313
he was okay with
passengers getting off.
465
00:22:35,396 --> 00:22:37,939
(siren blaring)
466
00:22:41,146 --> 00:22:43,313
Mitchell:
It was dark, rainy...
467
00:22:45,188 --> 00:22:47,063
and we are...
468
00:22:47,146 --> 00:22:49,939
miles away from
Sea-Tac terminal.
469
00:22:51,188 --> 00:22:54,730
A stairs came up,
portable stairs.
470
00:22:54,813 --> 00:22:56,939
And as we all walked down,
471
00:22:57,063 --> 00:22:58,897
we were all kinda
standing there,
472
00:22:58,980 --> 00:23:01,688
and somebody on the plane said,
473
00:23:01,772 --> 00:23:04,813
"Hey, we--
we were hijacked."
474
00:23:04,897 --> 00:23:06,813
We didn't know
anything was happening.
475
00:23:06,897 --> 00:23:08,271
Nobody knew anything
was happening.
476
00:23:08,355 --> 00:23:10,396
-Reporter: When did
you find out?
-After we landed.
477
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:11,772
When they brought
the money aboard.
478
00:23:11,855 --> 00:23:15,146
The crew kept us ignorant
of what was taking place,
479
00:23:15,230 --> 00:23:17,230
I guess to avoid a panic.
480
00:23:17,313 --> 00:23:19,396
And so, we really didn't
know what was taking place.
481
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,647
We cruised around for two
and a half hours up there.
482
00:23:21,730 --> 00:23:24,772
Wasn't until
we got off the plane,
got near a vehicle,
483
00:23:24,855 --> 00:23:27,438
and it looked like a money
bag was being handed over.
484
00:23:27,521 --> 00:23:29,438
I then thought of a statement
485
00:23:29,521 --> 00:23:33,396
that I'd heard early on right
as we were just in the air
486
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,813
a few minutes when one
of the stewardesses said,
487
00:23:35,897 --> 00:23:38,772
"Keep the curtain
open so he can see."
488
00:23:39,605 --> 00:23:42,271
(birds cawing)
489
00:23:46,396 --> 00:23:48,021
Dower:
Nice room.
490
00:23:48,104 --> 00:23:50,772
It's very, um, "Twin Peaks."
491
00:23:51,647 --> 00:23:54,146
(Cooper laughs)
492
00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:57,230
Cooper:
Well, back when that
show as on, apparently,
493
00:23:57,313 --> 00:23:58,813
I looked a lot
like the dead girl.
494
00:23:58,897 --> 00:24:00,647
And I would
hear it all the time.
"You look like
495
00:24:00,730 --> 00:24:02,980
the dead girl in 'Twin Peaks.'"
(laughs)
496
00:24:03,772 --> 00:24:05,772
Dower:
Now...
497
00:24:05,855 --> 00:24:07,897
why am I here,
sitting talking to you?
498
00:24:07,980 --> 00:24:11,146
What's, what's your--
Where do you come
into the story?
499
00:24:11,230 --> 00:24:13,521
♪ ♪
500
00:24:13,605 --> 00:24:15,897
Cooper:
It was 1971.
501
00:24:15,980 --> 00:24:19,813
We were back in my
grandmother's home in Oregon,
502
00:24:19,897 --> 00:24:22,688
a couple days
before Thanksgiving.
503
00:24:22,772 --> 00:24:26,396
And my uncles,
LD and Dewey, are there.
504
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,855
(projector clicking, focusing)
505
00:24:32,563 --> 00:24:34,772
I was always
intrigued by them.
506
00:24:34,855 --> 00:24:36,480
They were really rowdy.
507
00:24:36,563 --> 00:24:39,188
And on this particular
Thanksgiving,
508
00:24:39,271 --> 00:24:41,980
we go out in the woods near
my grandmother's house,
509
00:24:42,063 --> 00:24:46,021
and I'm walking along
with Uncle LD,
just shadowing him.
510
00:24:46,104 --> 00:24:47,813
(birds chirping)
511
00:24:47,897 --> 00:24:52,021
I had a great
affection for him.
512
00:24:52,104 --> 00:24:55,647
He was a very sweet man
and...
513
00:24:55,730 --> 00:24:59,188
always my favorite
in my dad's family.
514
00:25:00,647 --> 00:25:02,730
They were talking about
515
00:25:02,813 --> 00:25:04,939
something they were plotting,
and I,
516
00:25:05,021 --> 00:25:07,271
I said, "What are you doing?
What are you up to?
517
00:25:07,355 --> 00:25:08,772
What's going on?"
518
00:25:08,855 --> 00:25:11,605
-(dogs barking)
-And they said, "Oh,
519
00:25:11,688 --> 00:25:13,813
we're gonna go hunting
tomorrow morning."
520
00:25:13,897 --> 00:25:15,188
I said, "Are you
going turkey hunting?
521
00:25:15,271 --> 00:25:17,104
Because it's almost
Thanksgiving,
522
00:25:17,188 --> 00:25:19,521
and I'm really looking
forward to a turkey.
523
00:25:19,605 --> 00:25:21,980
And, and they kinda laughed.
524
00:25:22,063 --> 00:25:23,438
"Yeah, we're gonna go--
525
00:25:23,521 --> 00:25:25,230
we're gonna go shoot us
a great big turkey."
526
00:25:25,313 --> 00:25:27,063
And they're just sort of
playing a game
527
00:25:27,146 --> 00:25:28,563
of mental keep-away with me.
528
00:25:28,647 --> 00:25:30,647
Like they've got a secret.
What they're telling me
529
00:25:30,730 --> 00:25:33,980
is not the whole truth,
and so I keep probing,
530
00:25:34,063 --> 00:25:35,855
trying to get
information out of them,
531
00:25:35,939 --> 00:25:37,730
and they're not
talking about it.
532
00:25:37,813 --> 00:25:40,480
They're just taunting me with
this story of a turkey hunt.
533
00:25:42,730 --> 00:25:47,438
And so early the next morning,
I'm waiting in the driveway.
534
00:25:47,521 --> 00:25:49,813
And they came driving up,
and I came
535
00:25:49,897 --> 00:25:52,146
running to the side of the car.
536
00:25:52,230 --> 00:25:55,313
♪ ♪
537
00:25:57,104 --> 00:25:59,980
And I looked in
the passenger seat,
538
00:26:00,063 --> 00:26:02,688
and there was my Uncle LD,
539
00:26:02,772 --> 00:26:06,355
in a white T-shirt that
had blood all over it,
540
00:26:06,438 --> 00:26:08,521
and he's nearly unconscious.
541
00:26:08,605 --> 00:26:11,438
♪ ♪
542
00:26:11,521 --> 00:26:15,772
"Daddy, Daddy!
Come out here!
Uncle LD's hurt!"
543
00:26:15,855 --> 00:26:18,438
And my dad came running
out of the house,
544
00:26:18,521 --> 00:26:21,063
and ordered me
to go back inside.
545
00:26:21,146 --> 00:26:22,730
But I didn't go back inside.
546
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,355
-(barking)
-And then I heard
Uncle Dewey say,
547
00:26:27,438 --> 00:26:29,980
"Well, we did it.
We hijacked the airplane.
548
00:26:31,521 --> 00:26:33,980
We're rich. Our money
problems are over."
549
00:26:35,271 --> 00:26:38,230
As soon as my uncles left,
my dad sat me down,
550
00:26:38,313 --> 00:26:41,813
and he swore me to secrecy,
telling me
551
00:26:41,897 --> 00:26:43,521
it's a matter of life and death.
552
00:26:43,605 --> 00:26:46,313
"You cannot talk about
this to anybody."
553
00:26:51,647 --> 00:26:54,271
I was 8 years old, and now,
554
00:26:54,355 --> 00:26:55,980
I am left
555
00:26:56,063 --> 00:26:58,396
with keeping a secret that
556
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,146
one of them is hurt
horribly, and...
557
00:27:03,563 --> 00:27:07,563
and not able to talk about
what I'd seen that morning.
558
00:27:07,647 --> 00:27:10,313
(engines roaring)
559
00:27:14,104 --> 00:27:17,188
♪ ♪
560
00:27:19,313 --> 00:27:21,939
Fuhriman:
We know the destination was
supposed to be Reno, Nevada,
561
00:27:22,021 --> 00:27:24,271
and he wanted to go
further south from that,
562
00:27:24,355 --> 00:27:27,230
I believe into
Mexico as I recall.
563
00:27:27,313 --> 00:27:28,980
But... (clears throat)
564
00:27:29,772 --> 00:27:31,146
we didn't know.
565
00:27:34,647 --> 00:27:36,563
Rataczak:
I guess I said
something about,
566
00:27:36,647 --> 00:27:39,480
"Oh goody. Maybe he
wants to go to Acapulco.
567
00:27:39,563 --> 00:27:40,855
(laughs)
568
00:27:40,939 --> 00:27:43,313
That beats Seattle
on a rainy night."
569
00:27:43,396 --> 00:27:45,355
-(radio chatter)
-We got rid of the people.
570
00:27:45,438 --> 00:27:48,021
We got rid of two of
the three stewardesses.
571
00:27:48,104 --> 00:27:51,688
We have a supposedly calm...
572
00:27:51,772 --> 00:27:53,271
guy back there,
573
00:27:53,355 --> 00:27:55,271
and Tina is still there.
574
00:27:57,730 --> 00:28:00,772
Mucklow:
I brought him to the back
of the airplane.
575
00:28:00,855 --> 00:28:03,396
I was trying to keep him,
576
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,605
and probably myself,
577
00:28:05,688 --> 00:28:08,563
grounded (laughs)
and calm.
578
00:28:10,313 --> 00:28:14,897
Whenever I could, I tried
to engage the intercom,
579
00:28:14,980 --> 00:28:16,772
and I would just
leave it engaged,
580
00:28:16,855 --> 00:28:18,855
so the cockpit could hear
581
00:28:18,939 --> 00:28:21,438
some of the conversation
that was going on.
582
00:28:23,146 --> 00:28:27,855
So I think they were aware
that his anxiety was going up
583
00:28:27,939 --> 00:28:31,521
as the time lapsed.
584
00:28:31,605 --> 00:28:35,104
♪ ♪
585
00:28:35,188 --> 00:28:36,980
Rataczak:
The hijacker demanded
586
00:28:37,063 --> 00:28:39,605
the airplane flew in
at 10,000 feet.
587
00:28:39,688 --> 00:28:42,271
"I want the flaps down
and the gear down."
588
00:28:42,355 --> 00:28:45,021
Dower:
Do you remember what your
reaction in the cockpit
589
00:28:45,104 --> 00:28:47,438
-to those instructions were?
-(chiming)
590
00:28:47,521 --> 00:28:48,980
Well, it was quite obvious
591
00:28:49,063 --> 00:28:51,271
he was going to jump
out of the airplane.
592
00:28:54,521 --> 00:28:57,605
Rataczak:
Our biggest concern was
how it was going to fly
593
00:28:57,688 --> 00:28:59,939
when and if he
lowered the stairs,
594
00:29:00,021 --> 00:29:03,730
which he seemed like he
was intent on doing now.
595
00:29:04,897 --> 00:29:06,730
Mucklow:
He wanted me to
596
00:29:07,605 --> 00:29:10,104
open the airstairs.
597
00:29:10,188 --> 00:29:14,563
Rataczak:
There is a bulkhead
door that opens inward,
598
00:29:14,647 --> 00:29:18,021
and it's very noisy
when that door was open.
599
00:29:18,104 --> 00:29:20,563
Mucklow:
At that point, he just said,
600
00:29:20,647 --> 00:29:23,772
"I'll do it.
You go up front."
601
00:29:23,855 --> 00:29:26,521
Rataczak:
And all of a sudden,
the cockpit door opens,
602
00:29:26,605 --> 00:29:28,939
and it's Tina.
And I said, "Tina,
603
00:29:29,021 --> 00:29:30,480
"I've never been
so happy in my life
604
00:29:30,563 --> 00:29:33,313
to see a young lady as you."
605
00:29:33,396 --> 00:29:35,021
-(cranking)
-(alarm blaring)
606
00:29:35,104 --> 00:29:37,772
So he's taken over
the telephone back there.
607
00:29:37,855 --> 00:29:40,730
So the first thing we hear is
608
00:29:40,813 --> 00:29:44,104
-he's got the door open.
-(alarm continues)
609
00:29:44,188 --> 00:29:45,939
Now it gets really noisy.
610
00:29:46,021 --> 00:29:48,813
-(rattling loudly)
-And so,
611
00:29:48,897 --> 00:29:51,355
he's...
612
00:29:51,438 --> 00:29:54,104
(PA, distorted):
"I can't get the,
the stairs down.
613
00:29:54,188 --> 00:29:57,355
I can't get the stairs down.
The stairs won't open up."
614
00:29:57,438 --> 00:29:59,063
(undistorted, imitates wind)
All this noise.
615
00:29:59,146 --> 00:30:02,063
Because the stairs
will not come down
616
00:30:02,146 --> 00:30:04,605
all the way because
there's too much wind.
617
00:30:04,688 --> 00:30:06,480
♪ ♪
618
00:30:06,563 --> 00:30:09,688
We slowed the airplane down,
and I got on the phone
then and said,
619
00:30:09,772 --> 00:30:12,230
"Alright, now you should
be able to lower the stairs."
620
00:30:12,313 --> 00:30:15,605
-(wind blowing)
-(alarm blaring)
621
00:30:17,897 --> 00:30:19,813
(mechanical whirring)
622
00:30:19,897 --> 00:30:22,230
Then we got a big bump.
623
00:30:22,313 --> 00:30:26,021
-(loud bang)
-Rataczak:
We felt those stairs
624
00:30:26,104 --> 00:30:29,271
bounce back and closed,
625
00:30:29,355 --> 00:30:31,480
and we felt a pressure
bump in our ears.
626
00:30:31,563 --> 00:30:34,813
-(engines whining)
-(rattling, wind blowing)
627
00:30:39,188 --> 00:30:42,271
Anderson:
Bill turned around and said,
628
00:30:42,355 --> 00:30:44,939
and he said this
over the air...
629
00:30:45,021 --> 00:30:46,772
Mark your screens
630
00:30:46,855 --> 00:30:49,647
'cause I think our friend
just took leave of us.
631
00:30:49,730 --> 00:30:52,897
-(rattling)
-(alarm blaring)
632
00:31:00,939 --> 00:31:04,063
(alarm fades away)
633
00:31:06,313 --> 00:31:08,939
♪ ♪
634
00:31:09,021 --> 00:31:11,063
(traffic noise)
635
00:31:13,980 --> 00:31:16,230
Fuhriman:
Seattle had just gone
through what they called
636
00:31:16,313 --> 00:31:18,313
the Great Boeing Bust.
637
00:31:18,396 --> 00:31:21,313
It was a Boeing town largely.
638
00:31:21,396 --> 00:31:25,605
And so, when Boeing laid off
something like 60,000 people,
639
00:31:25,688 --> 00:31:29,146
it just devastated
the whole city.
640
00:31:32,396 --> 00:31:34,855
Man:
This is in anticipation
641
00:31:34,939 --> 00:31:38,230
of early direction from
the Department of Transportation
642
00:31:38,313 --> 00:31:40,271
to close the program down.
643
00:31:43,063 --> 00:31:46,146
Fuhriman:
The economy was hurting.
644
00:31:46,230 --> 00:31:48,230
In fact, there was
a billboard that we saw
645
00:31:48,313 --> 00:31:50,313
when we drove into
town that said,
646
00:31:50,396 --> 00:31:54,104
"Will the last person
out of Seattle
turn out the lights."
647
00:31:56,855 --> 00:31:59,855
Gray:
You think about the time in
which the jump took place.
648
00:32:01,230 --> 00:32:02,313
Poverty.
649
00:32:02,396 --> 00:32:04,855
People, especially in
the Pacific Northwest,
650
00:32:04,939 --> 00:32:06,396
were losing their jobs.
651
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,355
They're losing their
jobs to big machines.
652
00:32:08,438 --> 00:32:10,939
They're losing their
jobs to corporations.
653
00:32:11,021 --> 00:32:12,230
(clicking)
654
00:32:12,313 --> 00:32:15,813
So along comes Cooper,
who sticks it to everybody,
655
00:32:15,897 --> 00:32:18,813
and walks away
with the cash scot-free.
656
00:32:18,897 --> 00:32:21,104
And so, I think
the Robin Hood element
657
00:32:21,188 --> 00:32:23,897
represented
an act of defiance.
658
00:32:23,980 --> 00:32:26,146
I think he's one of the slickest
cats that ever walked
659
00:32:26,230 --> 00:32:27,563
on the face of
the Earth right now.
660
00:32:27,647 --> 00:32:29,313
-Reporter: You think
he's sort of a hero?
-Oh, sure.
661
00:32:29,396 --> 00:32:32,146
I just think that any time that
a fellow's got this much nerve,
662
00:32:32,230 --> 00:32:33,813
and is successful this far that
663
00:32:33,897 --> 00:32:35,480
everybody's kinda rooting
for him a little bit.
664
00:32:35,563 --> 00:32:38,647
But, uh, the man's
beat the system
so to speak a little bit.
665
00:32:38,730 --> 00:32:42,063
And I respect a man
who takes his time
666
00:32:42,146 --> 00:32:44,146
to do a job well done.
667
00:32:44,230 --> 00:32:45,563
(clicking)
668
00:32:45,647 --> 00:32:47,730
Gray:
The cult of Cooper started
669
00:32:47,813 --> 00:32:50,480
before the plane even landed.
670
00:32:52,772 --> 00:32:55,396
Even though it was a crime,
there's a whole community
671
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,855
of people who are
obsessed with this story.
672
00:32:57,939 --> 00:33:00,897
♪ ♪
673
00:33:00,980 --> 00:33:03,605
(birds chirping)
674
00:33:03,688 --> 00:33:06,647
Jerry Thomas:
I started walking
these woods
675
00:33:06,730 --> 00:33:08,396
back in 1988.
676
00:33:09,605 --> 00:33:14,313
That's about
31 years now total.
677
00:33:14,396 --> 00:33:16,438
Dower:
How much area
have you covered?
678
00:33:16,521 --> 00:33:19,271
Oh, more than
I care to remember.
679
00:33:19,355 --> 00:33:21,688
(birds chirping)
680
00:33:21,772 --> 00:33:25,271
Dower:
And how would you
describe the terrain?
681
00:33:25,355 --> 00:33:27,146
Thomas:
Oh, man.
682
00:33:27,230 --> 00:33:30,021
Gotta be some of the roughest
terrain on Earth.
683
00:33:33,855 --> 00:33:37,063
You're not gonna be looking
for a body at this point.
684
00:33:37,146 --> 00:33:41,772
At this point, you're gonna
be looking for a parachute.
685
00:33:41,855 --> 00:33:43,897
That's what you're looking for.
686
00:33:45,355 --> 00:33:49,313
Dower:
So you've spent
31 years looking,
687
00:33:49,396 --> 00:33:52,605
not for DB Cooper,
but for his parachute.
688
00:33:52,688 --> 00:33:54,897
Thomas:
Right.
689
00:33:54,980 --> 00:33:57,271
He didn't make it
out alive that night.
690
00:33:57,355 --> 00:34:00,230
That's an impossible
thing for him to do.
He died that night.
691
00:34:00,313 --> 00:34:03,396
-Dower: You believe.
-I know.
692
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,813
I served in the military
for 20 years.
693
00:34:05,897 --> 00:34:08,021
I enjoyed it. I miss it,
694
00:34:08,104 --> 00:34:10,230
basically.
695
00:34:11,355 --> 00:34:12,313
That's about it.
696
00:34:12,396 --> 00:34:14,772
-Dower: Vietnam?
-Yeah.
697
00:34:14,855 --> 00:34:16,647
-Dower: Special Forces?
-Thomas: Yeah.
698
00:34:16,730 --> 00:34:18,230
♪ ♪
699
00:34:18,313 --> 00:34:20,855
I got out of the military,
and I didn't really...
700
00:34:21,980 --> 00:34:24,605
I just didn't fit in.
701
00:34:26,188 --> 00:34:29,605
I withdrew. I lived off
the grid for 10 years.
702
00:34:29,688 --> 00:34:34,688
I didn't really care that much
to be around a lot of people.
703
00:34:34,772 --> 00:34:36,647
Dower:
And what do you think
about when you're,
704
00:34:36,730 --> 00:34:40,688
you know, walking
the woods out here?
705
00:34:40,772 --> 00:34:44,313
Thomas:
Actually, not really much of
anything. Just a blank mind
706
00:34:44,396 --> 00:34:47,855
to keep my, um,
train of thought
707
00:34:47,939 --> 00:34:52,104
as to what's beneath my feet.
708
00:34:52,188 --> 00:34:54,855
Dower:
If he died out here,
would you not have found him?
709
00:34:54,939 --> 00:34:56,772
Thomas:
No, not necessarily.
710
00:34:56,855 --> 00:35:00,188
There was a man that crashed
his aircraft up here.
711
00:35:00,271 --> 00:35:03,188
A hunter found his skull
712
00:35:03,271 --> 00:35:06,063
and parts of the aircraft
60 years later.
713
00:35:06,146 --> 00:35:07,772
Now, you tell me.
714
00:35:09,230 --> 00:35:10,647
(chirping)
715
00:35:10,730 --> 00:35:12,730
I just would like to
see this case solved.
716
00:35:12,813 --> 00:35:15,230
I don't care who solves it.
717
00:35:15,313 --> 00:35:18,563
But, um, oh, yeah,
I'll keep looking.
718
00:35:22,313 --> 00:35:26,021
Dower:
How would it be possible for
him to land without any trace?
719
00:35:28,271 --> 00:35:30,063
You know...
720
00:35:30,146 --> 00:35:33,813
in that area of the country...
721
00:35:33,897 --> 00:35:36,521
under good conditions,
or even under bad conditions
722
00:35:36,605 --> 00:35:38,021
like the ones he jumped in,
723
00:35:38,104 --> 00:35:40,647
if he were able to
hit an open space
724
00:35:40,730 --> 00:35:43,021
and land and recover
the parachute,
725
00:35:43,104 --> 00:35:45,063
get up and walk away,
726
00:35:45,146 --> 00:35:47,396
it's very possible.
727
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,355
There were other episodes
that followed,
one in particular
728
00:35:50,438 --> 00:35:52,355
involving a guy
named Richard McCoy
729
00:35:52,438 --> 00:35:54,438
where he did a similar thing,
where he jumped
730
00:35:54,521 --> 00:35:58,021
out of an airplane
and was able to survive.
731
00:35:58,104 --> 00:36:01,188
♪ ♪
732
00:36:04,438 --> 00:36:07,188
(traffic noise)
733
00:36:11,939 --> 00:36:13,104
(thunder rumbling)
734
00:36:13,188 --> 00:36:16,813
Dower:
How did you know
Richard Floyd McCoy?
735
00:36:16,897 --> 00:36:20,271
Anjewierden:
We were in
the National Guard together.
736
00:36:20,355 --> 00:36:22,897
I was in the Special Forces,
737
00:36:22,980 --> 00:36:26,855
and he was in the engineers,
but quite often,
738
00:36:26,939 --> 00:36:28,772
he'd come and fly with us.
739
00:36:30,021 --> 00:36:32,396
And McCoy was a fun
one to fly with.
740
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,104
He was very adventurous.
741
00:36:36,355 --> 00:36:39,563
He was a Mormon,
and he was...
742
00:36:40,939 --> 00:36:44,605
a group leader in Vietnam.
743
00:36:44,688 --> 00:36:47,730
Dower:
And he was a war hero
as well, wasn't he?
744
00:36:47,813 --> 00:36:52,063
I understand that he had
received quite a few...
745
00:36:52,146 --> 00:36:53,480
medals in Vietnam.
746
00:36:53,563 --> 00:36:58,772
And McCoy ended up
being my roommate.
747
00:36:58,855 --> 00:37:02,521
And he talked an awful
lot about hijacking.
748
00:37:02,605 --> 00:37:04,813
(quiet chatter)
749
00:37:04,897 --> 00:37:07,772
You've gotta remember
750
00:37:07,855 --> 00:37:10,605
that I was
a Special Forces officer.
751
00:37:10,688 --> 00:37:13,688
And in there,
we would plan raids,
752
00:37:13,772 --> 00:37:16,021
and ambushes,
753
00:37:16,104 --> 00:37:19,104
and in this case,
we just carried it
754
00:37:19,188 --> 00:37:21,980
a little further.
"What would you do?"
755
00:37:22,063 --> 00:37:25,521
♪ ♪
756
00:37:25,605 --> 00:37:27,313
We did some brainstorming,
757
00:37:27,396 --> 00:37:30,688
and we would discuss
things like...
758
00:37:30,772 --> 00:37:33,939
that you come in disguise?
759
00:37:34,021 --> 00:37:35,521
Things like that.
760
00:37:35,605 --> 00:37:36,855
Dower:
So would you act out
761
00:37:36,939 --> 00:37:39,313
scenarios of how
you would do it?
762
00:37:39,396 --> 00:37:40,730
(chuckles)
763
00:37:40,813 --> 00:37:43,188
I guess that's basically it.
764
00:37:43,271 --> 00:37:46,688
Trust me.
I wasn't serious at all.
765
00:37:46,772 --> 00:37:48,939
Dower:
So these conversations came up
766
00:37:49,021 --> 00:37:51,355
after the DB Cooper hijacking.
767
00:37:51,438 --> 00:37:53,688
Anjewierden:
Right. He would
768
00:37:53,772 --> 00:37:55,688
appear to be fascinated with it
769
00:37:55,772 --> 00:37:58,313
because DB Cooper had--
770
00:37:58,396 --> 00:38:01,355
had already done
his thing then, see.
771
00:38:01,438 --> 00:38:03,521
♪
772
00:38:06,647 --> 00:38:09,813
Nick O'Hara:
McCoy, using the name
James Johnson,
773
00:38:09,897 --> 00:38:12,688
boarded a flight to Colorado,
774
00:38:12,772 --> 00:38:15,772
then to LA.
And in the process,
775
00:38:15,855 --> 00:38:17,855
produced a note,
776
00:38:17,939 --> 00:38:19,605
a handgun, a grenade,
777
00:38:19,688 --> 00:38:21,813
and demanded
a half-million bucks.
778
00:38:21,897 --> 00:38:23,230
♪ ♪
779
00:38:23,313 --> 00:38:27,396
He basically
followed the instructions that
780
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,897
Dan Cooper had given in Seattle.
781
00:38:30,980 --> 00:38:33,438
Not to say that they're
the same person and not that
782
00:38:33,521 --> 00:38:35,230
McCoy didn't go to
school on Cooper,
783
00:38:35,313 --> 00:38:37,313
but there is such
784
00:38:37,396 --> 00:38:41,104
a remarkable, um...
785
00:38:41,188 --> 00:38:43,355
pattern that's followed in
786
00:38:43,438 --> 00:38:46,647
the McCoy that was used
in the Cooper case
787
00:38:46,730 --> 00:38:50,230
that people say you could
almost overlay them.
788
00:38:50,313 --> 00:38:52,855
Reporter:
The young man wanted $500,000
789
00:38:52,939 --> 00:38:55,021
and requested four parachutes.
790
00:38:55,104 --> 00:38:57,188
♪ ♪
791
00:38:57,271 --> 00:38:59,063
O'Hara:
So once he gets airborne,
792
00:38:59,146 --> 00:39:02,730
he is aware now how to
redeploy the rear airstairs.
793
00:39:02,813 --> 00:39:05,271
Which the first
aircraft hijacking,
794
00:39:05,355 --> 00:39:07,939
Cooper had to have
help doing that.
795
00:39:08,021 --> 00:39:11,271
McCoy deploys
the airstairs, bails out,
796
00:39:11,355 --> 00:39:13,897
lands near Provo.
797
00:39:13,980 --> 00:39:16,438
Anjewierden:
I was right here,
798
00:39:16,521 --> 00:39:19,396
and I discussed with the wife.
799
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,605
"I wonder if that's McCoy?"
800
00:39:22,980 --> 00:39:25,355
And called the FBI.
801
00:39:27,855 --> 00:39:30,104
Then they went to his house,
802
00:39:30,188 --> 00:39:33,396
searched it,
and found
803
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,188
half a million dollars
up in the attic.
804
00:39:37,313 --> 00:39:39,605
Minus $20.
805
00:39:39,688 --> 00:39:42,271
He'd pulled a $20 bill off
806
00:39:42,355 --> 00:39:44,313
for lunch.
807
00:39:44,396 --> 00:39:46,230
Reporter:
He was arrested
here in his home
808
00:39:46,313 --> 00:39:48,980
in Provo, Utah,
early this morning.
809
00:39:49,063 --> 00:39:51,980
He was dressed for
a National Guard drill today.
810
00:39:52,063 --> 00:39:55,563
And when the FBI men came,
he did not resist.
811
00:39:55,647 --> 00:39:57,438
♪ ♪
812
00:39:57,521 --> 00:39:59,730
Anjewierden:
I think he knew
the jig was up.
813
00:40:01,855 --> 00:40:03,855
And he told me...
814
00:40:03,939 --> 00:40:06,396
"You know, some of that
money was for you."
815
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:08,688
You know?
816
00:40:08,772 --> 00:40:10,647
Well, shoot,
you shoulda told me!
817
00:40:13,063 --> 00:40:15,480
And I'll be honest...
818
00:40:15,563 --> 00:40:18,688
I felt like I'd betrayed him.
819
00:40:18,772 --> 00:40:21,605
But I knew it was
the right thing to do.
820
00:40:24,980 --> 00:40:29,521
This is the sketch of
DB Cooper
821
00:40:29,605 --> 00:40:32,021
from witnesses
on the aircraft.
822
00:40:34,063 --> 00:40:36,647
And this is
an arrest photograph
823
00:40:36,730 --> 00:40:39,146
of Richard McCoy.
824
00:40:39,230 --> 00:40:40,396
And...
825
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,271
people can look at that
and form their own conclusions.
826
00:40:44,813 --> 00:40:47,313
You think McCoy
looks like Cooper?
827
00:40:49,146 --> 00:40:52,188
-(engines roaring)
-(radio chatter)
828
00:40:52,271 --> 00:40:54,230
(tires screech)
829
00:40:59,563 --> 00:41:01,688
Dower:
And so you finally
land in Reno.
830
00:41:02,563 --> 00:41:03,980
Yes, we do, John.
831
00:41:04,063 --> 00:41:08,563
♪ ♪
832
00:41:08,647 --> 00:41:11,438
We got off the airplane.
We hugged each other,
833
00:41:11,521 --> 00:41:15,063
and there's
a great sigh of relief.
834
00:41:15,146 --> 00:41:18,396
Mucklow:
It really wasn't until
I got in the FBI car
835
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:22,104
that I think
the aftermath hit me.
836
00:41:23,396 --> 00:41:27,396
As I sat down and then
Bill got in the car,
837
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,146
I just burst into tears,
838
00:41:30,230 --> 00:41:32,980
and just sobbed for
a couple minutes, you know.
839
00:41:33,063 --> 00:41:35,188
That was kinda
the release of it all.
840
00:41:35,271 --> 00:41:37,939
(inaudible)
841
00:41:38,021 --> 00:41:39,897
-Dower: But it was over.
-Rataczak: Well,
842
00:41:39,980 --> 00:41:42,897
um, it was what...
843
00:41:43,688 --> 00:41:45,271
(clicks tongue)
844
00:41:49,188 --> 00:41:53,146
Young Rataczak:
We felt, in this
specific situation,
845
00:41:53,230 --> 00:41:56,939
that we had his confidence.
We felt he...
846
00:41:57,021 --> 00:42:00,605
was assured that we were
honoring his requests...
847
00:42:00,688 --> 00:42:04,396
and therefore, we made no
attempt to impede his...
848
00:42:05,605 --> 00:42:08,480
the completion of his mission,
if you will.
849
00:42:08,563 --> 00:42:11,897
He was not nervous.
He seemed rather nice.
850
00:42:11,980 --> 00:42:14,480
He never tried to harm myself
851
00:42:14,563 --> 00:42:18,396
and although he was
impatient a few times,
852
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,563
he was never cruel
or nasty or,
853
00:42:21,647 --> 00:42:25,980
um, impolite to me
in any way.
854
00:42:26,063 --> 00:42:28,563
Anderson:
They wanted to get
the airplane to Seattle
855
00:42:28,647 --> 00:42:29,897
as soon as they could
856
00:42:29,980 --> 00:42:33,855
because they still had
the passenger baggage onboard.
857
00:42:34,897 --> 00:42:37,146
We boarded up the backstairs,
858
00:42:37,230 --> 00:42:39,855
and came on,
and we hear cheers
859
00:42:39,939 --> 00:42:42,188
and clapping. (laughs)
860
00:42:43,271 --> 00:42:45,480
That makes me emotional.
I'm sorry.
861
00:42:45,563 --> 00:42:47,480
♪ ♪
862
00:42:47,563 --> 00:42:50,271
There's a huge manhunt on
in the state of Washington
863
00:42:50,355 --> 00:42:53,104
for the middle-aged man
who hijacked a jetliner
864
00:42:53,188 --> 00:42:56,188
and got $200,000
in ransom money,
865
00:42:56,271 --> 00:42:58,772
then escaped by
parachuting into the night
866
00:42:58,855 --> 00:43:00,438
from the hijacked plane.
867
00:43:00,521 --> 00:43:03,063
Reporter 1:
They're looking around here
because the hijacked crew
868
00:43:03,146 --> 00:43:05,271
felt a bump as they
flew over here.
869
00:43:05,355 --> 00:43:07,730
Perhaps the hijacker
jumping out.
870
00:43:07,813 --> 00:43:09,688
Reporter 2:
The morning after the skyjack,
871
00:43:09,772 --> 00:43:11,188
the FBI launched NORJAK,
872
00:43:11,271 --> 00:43:13,855
the codename for
the biggest manhunt
873
00:43:13,939 --> 00:43:16,188
the Portland office
had ever seen.
874
00:43:16,271 --> 00:43:17,772
The FBI had enlisted the aid
875
00:43:17,855 --> 00:43:20,772
of an Army battalion,
the local police,
876
00:43:20,855 --> 00:43:22,313
and even the Boy Scouts.
877
00:43:22,396 --> 00:43:25,104
Reporter 3:
So, the searchers set
out to scour an area
878
00:43:25,188 --> 00:43:27,355
about five miles long
and one mile wide,
879
00:43:27,438 --> 00:43:29,313
where they felt they
had the best chances
880
00:43:29,396 --> 00:43:31,355
of finding something.
They don't know his real name.
881
00:43:31,438 --> 00:43:33,980
They probably wouldn't
know him if they saw him,
882
00:43:34,063 --> 00:43:35,647
and he had a big head start.
883
00:43:35,730 --> 00:43:38,813
♪
884
00:43:44,605 --> 00:43:47,605
Smith:
Well, you're in
Cooper country, so welcome.
885
00:43:50,271 --> 00:43:53,855
-Dower: Is this also
where you do your writing?
-Smith: Yes. Right here, baby.
886
00:43:53,939 --> 00:43:55,313
This is action central.
887
00:43:55,396 --> 00:43:58,605
We are sitting in
the center of my world.
888
00:43:58,688 --> 00:44:00,855
Dower:
And this is where
you wrote your book...
889
00:44:00,939 --> 00:44:02,772
-Yep.
-"DB Cooper & the FBI"?
890
00:44:02,855 --> 00:44:04,647
Correct. Right here.
891
00:44:04,730 --> 00:44:07,813
♪ ♪
892
00:44:08,772 --> 00:44:10,480
(helicopter whirring)
893
00:44:10,563 --> 00:44:12,230
Reporter:
An FBI spokesman in Portland,
894
00:44:12,313 --> 00:44:14,104
who declined
an on-camera interview,
895
00:44:14,188 --> 00:44:16,230
said his agents are
checking for clues
896
00:44:16,313 --> 00:44:18,355
and circulating
a composite picture
897
00:44:18,438 --> 00:44:22,188
in a 200-mile corridor south
to the California border.
898
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,021
(birds chirping)
899
00:44:31,730 --> 00:44:34,772
Smith:
Where do we go
looking for DB Cooper?
900
00:44:34,855 --> 00:44:36,521
They're asking
Northwest Orient,
901
00:44:36,605 --> 00:44:38,104
"Where was your plane
when Cooper jumped?"
902
00:44:38,188 --> 00:44:39,980
"Well, we don't know
where the plane was,
903
00:44:40,063 --> 00:44:42,271
"but we know it was
8:13 in the evening.
904
00:44:42,355 --> 00:44:44,480
It would've been
around here somewhere."
905
00:44:44,563 --> 00:44:46,480
Well, around here is about
906
00:44:46,563 --> 00:44:49,605
20 to 25 miles of woods.
907
00:44:49,688 --> 00:44:53,396
So Cooper had 40 hours lead
908
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,730
before anybody was on
the ground looking for him.
909
00:44:56,813 --> 00:44:59,897
♪ ♪
910
00:45:02,146 --> 00:45:04,772
Fuhriman:
And they brought in
some military people,
911
00:45:04,855 --> 00:45:08,396
as well as FBI agents.
There were a lot of people
912
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,396
searching the mountain
area for him,
913
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,104
or for any remains of
whatever might be there.
914
00:45:13,188 --> 00:45:14,480
(helicopter whirring)
915
00:45:14,563 --> 00:45:16,355
Trooper:
He either got away,
or else he sure made
916
00:45:16,438 --> 00:45:17,897
a big hole in
the ground up there.
917
00:45:17,980 --> 00:45:19,605
And if he made
a hole in the ground,
918
00:45:19,688 --> 00:45:21,688
he's gonna be hard to find also.
919
00:45:21,772 --> 00:45:23,313
Fuhriman:
I think there's a good chance
920
00:45:23,396 --> 00:45:26,271
that he hit a tree or a rock
921
00:45:26,355 --> 00:45:30,647
or fell in a body
of water and died.
922
00:45:30,730 --> 00:45:34,396
I also think he might've known
enough about what he was doing
923
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,521
that he was able to steer
himself into an area
924
00:45:37,605 --> 00:45:41,230
where he could land
and get out and go.
925
00:45:41,313 --> 00:45:43,813
♪ ♪
926
00:45:43,897 --> 00:45:47,188
Mitchell:
I had FBI over for
probably over a year,
927
00:45:47,271 --> 00:45:49,271
two or three times
928
00:45:49,355 --> 00:45:51,438
a week, with pictures.
929
00:45:51,521 --> 00:45:54,605
I mean, they'd always come
with 10 pictures.
930
00:45:55,772 --> 00:45:57,396
(clicking)
931
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,104
They were making
a composite drawing.
932
00:46:00,188 --> 00:46:02,355
Fuhriman:
Well, from
the composite picture,
933
00:46:02,438 --> 00:46:06,563
he had a slender
face and, and, uh...
934
00:46:06,647 --> 00:46:09,688
a Caucasian, maybe
dark Caucasian features.
935
00:46:09,772 --> 00:46:11,730
Gray:
It was very thin
hair to the sides,
936
00:46:11,813 --> 00:46:13,438
almost a little balding.
937
00:46:13,521 --> 00:46:15,188
There was a very thin nose.
938
00:46:15,271 --> 00:46:17,647
There was sunglasses
over the eyes,
939
00:46:17,730 --> 00:46:19,396
one without sunglasses,
940
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,146
but how would they know
what his eyes looked like?
941
00:46:22,230 --> 00:46:25,480
Fuhriman:
Uh, no unusual...
942
00:46:25,563 --> 00:46:28,063
identifying characteristics.
943
00:46:29,813 --> 00:46:32,563
The picture on your left is
944
00:46:32,647 --> 00:46:36,521
the artist's conception
of the hijacker.
945
00:46:36,605 --> 00:46:39,355
The picture on the right
is a picture of me.
946
00:46:39,438 --> 00:46:42,104
When I got a copy of the sketch,
947
00:46:42,188 --> 00:46:45,313
I sent it to my mother without
saying anything about it.
948
00:46:46,396 --> 00:46:48,146
Her comment back to me was,
949
00:46:48,230 --> 00:46:50,230
"Who did that sketch of you?
950
00:46:50,313 --> 00:46:52,688
Looks pretty accurate." (laughs)
951
00:46:52,772 --> 00:46:55,897
And I go, whoa, whoa, whoa!
That's not me.
952
00:46:55,980 --> 00:46:59,980
(water lapping)
953
00:47:00,063 --> 00:47:02,939
Smith:
Well, I'm one of the few
people that put a harsh light,
954
00:47:03,021 --> 00:47:04,605
or I like to think
955
00:47:04,688 --> 00:47:07,271
a strong light, on the FBI.
956
00:47:07,355 --> 00:47:10,021
In 1971, the FBI,
957
00:47:10,104 --> 00:47:11,980
I think fairly,
was considered to be
958
00:47:12,063 --> 00:47:14,772
the premier law enforcement
agency in the world.
959
00:47:14,855 --> 00:47:19,146
But we now know that bigness
does not mean greatness.
960
00:47:19,230 --> 00:47:22,521
And there were a lot of gaps,
and a lot of limitations.
961
00:47:22,605 --> 00:47:24,438
Dower: They lost the most
valuable piece of evidence.
962
00:47:24,521 --> 00:47:26,146
Oh, they've lost
a ton of stuff!
963
00:47:26,230 --> 00:47:28,438
♪ ♪
964
00:47:28,521 --> 00:47:30,104
They lost the cigarette butts.
965
00:47:30,188 --> 00:47:33,188
The cigarette butts
are probably
966
00:47:33,271 --> 00:47:36,730
the most salient piece
of evidence right now
967
00:47:36,813 --> 00:47:39,980
because we now have DNA testing.
968
00:47:43,897 --> 00:47:47,897
-Dower: So what happened
to the cigarette butt?
-Montoya: Good question.
969
00:47:47,980 --> 00:47:49,855
A very, very good question.
970
00:47:49,939 --> 00:47:54,230
Um, I don't know.
I can't answer that question
971
00:47:54,313 --> 00:47:56,438
because I don't know
what happened to them.
972
00:47:58,355 --> 00:48:01,146
Dower:
Some say they
might've been lost.
973
00:48:02,688 --> 00:48:05,855
Montoya:
That's always a possibility.
974
00:48:05,939 --> 00:48:09,021
-Dower: Is anyone
looking for them?
-You know, I,
975
00:48:09,104 --> 00:48:11,438
I think there have
been multiple efforts
976
00:48:11,521 --> 00:48:14,188
over the last four decades
977
00:48:14,271 --> 00:48:17,438
to do so, um, but I don't...
978
00:48:18,730 --> 00:48:20,480
I don't know what
the answer is to that.
979
00:48:20,563 --> 00:48:23,605
They're-- They weren't
available to us, so.
980
00:48:23,688 --> 00:48:25,271
Dower:
There were also issues with
981
00:48:25,355 --> 00:48:27,271
the fingerprinting
on board the plane
after it landed in Reno.
982
00:48:27,355 --> 00:48:30,021
Smith:
Oh! What a mess that is.
983
00:48:30,104 --> 00:48:32,480
What a mess.
To this day, I don't know
984
00:48:32,563 --> 00:48:35,104
how many fingerprints
were recovered.
985
00:48:35,188 --> 00:48:38,104
That is total meshugas!
986
00:48:39,939 --> 00:48:43,521
Dower:
I mean, do you think it was
fair to say that the FBI
987
00:48:45,063 --> 00:48:48,021
made mistakes in this case?
988
00:48:48,104 --> 00:48:51,521
(chuckles) I don't know
what you mean by mistakes.
989
00:48:51,605 --> 00:48:55,438
The FBI worked with the best
information available
990
00:48:56,730 --> 00:48:58,438
and used...
991
00:48:58,521 --> 00:49:01,271
the best judgment
that they could
992
00:49:01,355 --> 00:49:04,813
get together at the time
with the facts they had,
993
00:49:04,897 --> 00:49:07,813
and perhaps there
were mistakes made,
994
00:49:07,897 --> 00:49:11,772
which is not that unusual
in any investigation.
995
00:49:11,855 --> 00:49:14,980
-(river flowing)
-(birds chirping)
996
00:49:15,063 --> 00:49:18,813
Smith:
Eight and a half years
after the skyjacking,
997
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,021
the FBI had diddly squat.
998
00:49:23,104 --> 00:49:27,480
There was no hard evidence
in the DB Cooper case.
999
00:49:27,563 --> 00:49:29,688
No body, no parachute,
1000
00:49:29,772 --> 00:49:31,688
no bomb, no briefcase,
1001
00:49:31,772 --> 00:49:33,605
no Cooper, no money.
1002
00:49:36,104 --> 00:49:37,563
Then, in 1980...
1003
00:49:37,647 --> 00:49:38,813
(birds chirping)
1004
00:49:38,897 --> 00:49:41,104
a kid found three bundles
1005
00:49:41,188 --> 00:49:44,688
on a beach on
the Columbia River.
1006
00:49:45,730 --> 00:49:48,271
Oh my God.
1007
00:49:48,355 --> 00:49:51,355
Bob Schieffer:
A child has led the FBI
to the start of a trail
1008
00:49:51,438 --> 00:49:52,730
it hopes will help them solve
1009
00:49:52,813 --> 00:49:55,480
the eight-and-a-half-year-old
mystery of skyjacker
1010
00:49:55,563 --> 00:49:58,897
DB Cooper. The first break
in the only unsolved
1011
00:49:58,980 --> 00:50:01,355
airplane hijacking in
United States history
1012
00:50:01,438 --> 00:50:03,188
came on a Columbia River beach,
1013
00:50:03,271 --> 00:50:05,563
along the Oregon-
Washington border,
1014
00:50:05,647 --> 00:50:08,605
where an 8-year-old boy
dug up the shreds of
1015
00:50:08,688 --> 00:50:10,605
$3,000 on Sunday.
1016
00:50:11,897 --> 00:50:14,104
Reporter:
How do you feel right now?
1017
00:50:14,188 --> 00:50:17,271
Well, I feel pretty good.
1018
00:50:17,355 --> 00:50:19,605
I'll feel a lot better after
we get the money though.
1019
00:50:19,688 --> 00:50:23,355
You know, after it's all over.
1020
00:50:23,438 --> 00:50:27,396
Smith:
Now, the story gets
a little bit more complicated.
1021
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,563
There's no question that
the three bundles of money
1022
00:50:30,647 --> 00:50:33,605
were Cooper's money
from the ransom
1023
00:50:33,688 --> 00:50:36,563
because the serial
numbers match up.
1024
00:50:37,688 --> 00:50:39,271
But, to this day,
1025
00:50:39,355 --> 00:50:42,521
nobody knows how
that money got there.
1026
00:50:42,605 --> 00:50:44,230
Or when.
1027
00:50:44,313 --> 00:50:46,313
How long was it at the beach?
1028
00:50:46,396 --> 00:50:48,313
Money was wet, soggy,
1029
00:50:48,396 --> 00:50:51,271
had holes in it.
It was very compressed.
1030
00:50:51,355 --> 00:50:53,355
As if it had been under weight,
1031
00:50:53,438 --> 00:50:55,438
and the paper, the bills,
1032
00:50:55,521 --> 00:50:58,647
were stuck together.
When you tried
to peel the bills off,
1033
00:50:58,730 --> 00:51:00,396
you'd get chunks.
1034
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,355
Dower:
But also the thing
about Tina-Bar is
1035
00:51:02,438 --> 00:51:05,313
it's 45 miles south
of where DB Cooper
1036
00:51:05,396 --> 00:51:08,021
-supposedly landed.
-Yep.
1037
00:51:09,647 --> 00:51:11,188
So how'd the money get there?
1038
00:51:11,271 --> 00:51:15,146
♪ ♪
1039
00:51:15,230 --> 00:51:17,980
Reporter 1:
Finally, we close tonight
with a mystery story.
1040
00:51:18,063 --> 00:51:20,355
It has a villain
and a hero, but in this case,
1041
00:51:20,438 --> 00:51:23,855
they may be the same person.
A man in a dark suit
1042
00:51:23,939 --> 00:51:27,146
who bought a $20
one-way plane ticket
1043
00:51:27,230 --> 00:51:28,813
from Seattle to Portland...
1044
00:51:28,897 --> 00:51:31,647
Weber:
I'm gonna go smoke this,
or part of it anyway.
1045
00:51:35,021 --> 00:51:37,230
Reporter 2:
At age 60, Jo Weber admits
1046
00:51:37,313 --> 00:51:39,772
she fell in love and fell hard
1047
00:51:39,855 --> 00:51:43,730
for a slick-looking,
smooth-talking
insurance salesman.
1048
00:51:43,813 --> 00:51:46,605
And since her husband's
death in 1995,
1049
00:51:46,688 --> 00:51:49,605
she's pieced together clues
dropped over the years.
1050
00:51:49,688 --> 00:51:53,230
In fact, a forensic artist
who has worked with the FBI
1051
00:51:53,313 --> 00:51:55,438
says the physical
similarities between
1052
00:51:55,521 --> 00:51:57,313
this composite sketch of Cooper
1053
00:51:57,396 --> 00:52:00,313
and a younger
Duane Weber are striking.
1054
00:52:00,396 --> 00:52:02,980
What makes you so sure
that he's the guy?
1055
00:52:03,063 --> 00:52:06,521
There's too many pieces
of the puzzle that fit.
1056
00:52:06,605 --> 00:52:09,730
♪ ♪
1057
00:52:13,813 --> 00:52:16,063
Weber: Holy cow.
1058
00:52:16,146 --> 00:52:17,897
I don't know where
the albums are.
1059
00:52:17,980 --> 00:52:20,897
They are not where
they're supposed to be.
1060
00:52:21,980 --> 00:52:23,647
I'm starting to panic.
1061
00:52:24,939 --> 00:52:27,146
Collins:
This happens to me,
too, at home.
1062
00:52:27,230 --> 00:52:29,730
Dower:
Remind me how you
two know each other.
1063
00:52:29,813 --> 00:52:32,730
Collins:
I grew up about
five miles from where
1064
00:52:32,813 --> 00:52:37,188
DB Cooper jumped,
so I was curious about
1065
00:52:37,271 --> 00:52:39,563
what happened,
and contacted Jo,
1066
00:52:39,647 --> 00:52:43,647
and we've been
talking ever since.
1067
00:52:43,730 --> 00:52:46,271
-Weber: Okay. Yeah.
-Collins: Right there,
Sentimental journey.
1068
00:52:46,355 --> 00:52:48,521
-Collins: Right there.
-Weber: Yeah. We got it.
1069
00:52:48,605 --> 00:52:51,438
Well, he's like a son to me.
1070
00:52:51,521 --> 00:52:53,939
I mean, he has been...
1071
00:52:54,021 --> 00:52:56,813
been there when no one
else could give me answers.
1072
00:52:56,897 --> 00:52:59,063
He's brilliant.
He sees things
1073
00:52:59,146 --> 00:53:02,730
that other people
can't see like this.
1074
00:53:02,813 --> 00:53:05,271
This was the wallet
that we found
1075
00:53:05,355 --> 00:53:09,146
in the vehicle after he died.
1076
00:53:09,230 --> 00:53:12,230
-Dower: So that's
the driving license?
-Weber: This one is a fake one.
1077
00:53:12,313 --> 00:53:15,396
-Dower: John Carson Collins.
-Weber: I did not know
1078
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:18,021
who that was, but that
was his picture on there.
1079
00:53:18,104 --> 00:53:19,730
Dower:
So was his real name
1080
00:53:19,813 --> 00:53:22,271
John Carson Collins
or Duane Weber?
1081
00:53:22,355 --> 00:53:24,396
Weber:
Duane Weber.
1082
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,563
But he'd gone
and gotten fake IDs.
1083
00:53:26,647 --> 00:53:29,980
-Dower: That's all
the different IDs.
-Collins: Yes. Yeah.
1084
00:53:30,063 --> 00:53:32,104
What was all this about?
1085
00:53:32,188 --> 00:53:34,730
And then to find out
that he had actually been
1086
00:53:34,813 --> 00:53:38,355
in prison under
the name of John C. Collins.
1087
00:53:38,438 --> 00:53:40,521
These are in a very,
very old criminal file.
1088
00:53:40,605 --> 00:53:42,521
-Reporter: This is
your husband in prison?
-Weber: Yes.
1089
00:53:42,605 --> 00:53:45,730
Reporter:
A man who she now
knows lived a lie,
1090
00:53:45,813 --> 00:53:48,563
and may have kept a secret
of legendary proportions.
1091
00:53:48,647 --> 00:53:51,772
Collins:
This tax return really
meant something to me.
1092
00:53:51,855 --> 00:53:55,939
Right after the crime,
Duane purchased two cars.
1093
00:53:56,021 --> 00:53:58,146
Brand new, paid cash.
1094
00:53:58,230 --> 00:54:00,563
He made that year
1095
00:54:00,647 --> 00:54:03,563
little more than $1,000.
He didn't have that much money.
1096
00:54:03,647 --> 00:54:05,396
He buys two new cars
right after the crime.
1097
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:07,897
I mean, it was like...
1098
00:54:07,980 --> 00:54:10,063
a great, big puzzle!
1099
00:54:10,146 --> 00:54:11,939
It bugged the hell out of me,
1100
00:54:12,021 --> 00:54:14,772
and it still bugs
the hell out of me.
1101
00:54:14,855 --> 00:54:19,438
He handed over his will
to her in the hospital,
1102
00:54:19,521 --> 00:54:22,396
with a safety deposit key
taped to the will.
1103
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,563
The one that you were able
to open, you found this.
1104
00:54:25,647 --> 00:54:29,063
Dower:
Strange thing to leave in
a safety deposit box, isn't it?
1105
00:54:29,146 --> 00:54:32,730
Why would a guy who confessed
to DB Cooper have this magazine?
1106
00:54:33,897 --> 00:54:35,521
And my jaw drops.
1107
00:54:35,605 --> 00:54:37,939
"The Man Who Held the Secrets."
1108
00:54:38,021 --> 00:54:39,772
-That's Duane.
-(Weber laughs)
1109
00:54:39,855 --> 00:54:42,146
Collins:
What secrets...
1110
00:54:42,230 --> 00:54:44,146
did we miss?
What did we miss?
1111
00:54:45,897 --> 00:54:48,271
Weber:
That's Duane up there.
1112
00:54:48,355 --> 00:54:50,188
Dower:
It's a very pretty urn.
1113
00:54:50,271 --> 00:54:52,897
Well, I figured, you know,
1114
00:54:52,980 --> 00:54:55,355
we'll be together again one day.
1115
00:54:55,438 --> 00:54:59,355
So, when they bury me,
that gets buried same time.
1116
00:55:00,897 --> 00:55:03,188
Dower:
So you married Duane Weber.
1117
00:55:03,271 --> 00:55:07,355
He then tells you
on his death bed
that he's Dan Cooper,
1118
00:55:07,438 --> 00:55:09,563
and then a few months later,
1119
00:55:09,647 --> 00:55:11,897
you find a wallet in which
1120
00:55:11,980 --> 00:55:14,939
-a driving license
says he's John Collins.
-Mm-hmm.
1121
00:55:15,021 --> 00:55:17,188
You then started
having these memories,
1122
00:55:17,271 --> 00:55:19,438
strange things that
Duane told you,
1123
00:55:19,521 --> 00:55:21,939
places he took you.
1124
00:55:22,021 --> 00:55:24,438
The picture fell together.
1125
00:55:24,521 --> 00:55:27,605
♪ ♪
1126
00:55:29,355 --> 00:55:32,521
(insects chirping)
1127
00:55:35,396 --> 00:55:39,063
Weber:
We had a convention
in Seattle.
1128
00:55:39,146 --> 00:55:42,521
And he said,
"I want to go, uh...
1129
00:55:42,605 --> 00:55:44,230
a few days early."
1130
00:55:46,521 --> 00:55:49,188
He showed me
an awful lot of things
1131
00:55:49,271 --> 00:55:52,897
and I never did ask
a lot of questions.
1132
00:55:55,855 --> 00:55:58,271
One point he stopped at
1133
00:55:58,355 --> 00:56:00,813
was not too far
from Lake Merwin.
1134
00:56:00,897 --> 00:56:03,897
And he pointed about at a place,
1135
00:56:03,980 --> 00:56:06,897
and he said something about,
"That's where Cooper
1136
00:56:06,980 --> 00:56:09,855
walked out of the woods."
And I didn't know
who Cooper was.
1137
00:56:16,647 --> 00:56:20,855
Dower:
You basically went on a trip
to the DB Cooper drop zone.
1138
00:56:22,271 --> 00:56:24,647
Weber:
I labeled it
"the sentimental journey"
1139
00:56:24,730 --> 00:56:26,605
because of all the places
he wanted to go to,
1140
00:56:26,688 --> 00:56:30,021
the places he took me to,
the places he disappeared.
1141
00:56:30,104 --> 00:56:33,188
♪ ♪
1142
00:56:48,772 --> 00:56:51,605
Dower:
Not long after Duane's
deathbed confession,
1143
00:56:51,688 --> 00:56:54,521
she started having
these memories,
1144
00:56:54,605 --> 00:56:56,230
and even pointed
to the woods
1145
00:56:56,313 --> 00:56:58,188
and says, "That's where
Cooper walked out."
1146
00:56:58,271 --> 00:57:01,855
Collins:
Right. So, she
remembered the journey,
1147
00:57:01,939 --> 00:57:04,521
but she didn't know
its significance
1148
00:57:04,605 --> 00:57:06,813
until she later...
1149
00:57:06,897 --> 00:57:09,438
understood who
Dan Cooper was.
1150
00:57:09,521 --> 00:57:11,688
Dower:
That's kind of your
role with Jo, isn't it?
1151
00:57:11,772 --> 00:57:13,647
You sort of help
put her memories
1152
00:57:13,730 --> 00:57:15,939
into some sort of order or...
1153
00:57:16,021 --> 00:57:18,688
I would say so.
1154
00:57:18,772 --> 00:57:21,980
I would say even today
she doesn't--
she has these memories
1155
00:57:22,063 --> 00:57:24,313
but she doesn't
quite understand
1156
00:57:24,396 --> 00:57:27,313
all the significance of
different parts of them.
1157
00:57:27,396 --> 00:57:30,647
Whereas I can listen,
I'll filter out a lot of it,
1158
00:57:30,730 --> 00:57:33,396
but I can pick out pieces
1159
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:36,772
that seem, um, relevant.
1160
00:57:36,855 --> 00:57:38,021
♪ ♪
1161
00:57:38,104 --> 00:57:40,146
Weber:
I remember when he stopped
1162
00:57:40,230 --> 00:57:42,355
at a place on the water.
1163
00:57:42,438 --> 00:57:45,688
There was a little
motel at that time
1164
00:57:45,772 --> 00:57:48,688
called the Red Lion.
1165
00:57:48,772 --> 00:57:51,188
What made it significant is
1166
00:57:51,271 --> 00:57:54,313
what happened at the location.
1167
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:57,063
Weber:
The next morning,
1168
00:57:57,146 --> 00:58:00,396
he tells me he's got
some place he's gonna go.
1169
00:58:02,563 --> 00:58:05,021
He left 7:00 in the morning.
1170
00:58:05,104 --> 00:58:08,146
It's getting close
to checkout time.
1171
00:58:08,230 --> 00:58:10,772
Just about that time,
he walks in the door,
1172
00:58:10,855 --> 00:58:13,647
he has to go take a bath.
1173
00:58:15,063 --> 00:58:16,563
He'd been digging in something.
1174
00:58:16,647 --> 00:58:19,396
-And--
-Dower: What made you
think he'd been digging?
1175
00:58:20,230 --> 00:58:23,063
'Cause he was dirty!
1176
00:58:23,146 --> 00:58:26,605
He had on dress pants,
but his hands were dirty.
1177
00:58:26,688 --> 00:58:29,521
I don't know what
he went digging.
I don't know where he went.
1178
00:58:29,605 --> 00:58:31,939
While he was cleaning up
and I handed him a drink,
1179
00:58:32,021 --> 00:58:33,605
and I still have the picture
1180
00:58:33,688 --> 00:58:37,355
where when I went to take
the picture, he gets up,
1181
00:58:37,438 --> 00:58:39,939
and he jumps. "Geronimo!"
1182
00:58:40,021 --> 00:58:41,772
(shutter snaps)
1183
00:58:41,855 --> 00:58:44,021
Like he was jumping, okay?
1184
00:58:44,104 --> 00:58:45,980
I got the picture
to prove that
1185
00:58:46,063 --> 00:58:49,188
because I snapped
the daggum picture
at that time.
1186
00:58:49,271 --> 00:58:50,813
(slide projector clicking)
1187
00:58:50,897 --> 00:58:53,521
♪ ♪
1188
00:58:53,605 --> 00:58:54,897
And when he gets into the car,
1189
00:58:54,980 --> 00:58:57,021
I said, "What's in
that paper bag?"
He says,
1190
00:58:57,104 --> 00:59:00,188
"Oh, just some trash I'm gonna
get rid of at the next stop."
1191
00:59:00,271 --> 00:59:03,355
He spent an awful
lot of time there,
1192
00:59:03,438 --> 00:59:05,772
just looking out at the water.
1193
00:59:06,813 --> 00:59:10,355
It was odd. It was strange.
1194
00:59:10,438 --> 00:59:12,647
And I said,
"What you doing?" He says,
1195
00:59:12,730 --> 00:59:15,605
"Watching that bag go
down the river, flow down."
1196
00:59:15,688 --> 00:59:17,021
I hit the ceiling.
1197
00:59:17,104 --> 00:59:19,647
I said, "You littered?!
You put what?!
1198
00:59:19,730 --> 00:59:22,563
"You put a bag in the water?!
1199
00:59:23,688 --> 00:59:26,480
A bag of trash
in the water?!"
1200
00:59:26,563 --> 00:59:29,396
I was angry
because I had been raised,
1201
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:32,313
you do not contaminate
your waterways.
1202
00:59:32,396 --> 00:59:34,688
You do not throw
things in there.
1203
00:59:34,772 --> 00:59:37,772
If I had done that,
I'd have got
the whipping of whippings.
1204
00:59:40,355 --> 00:59:42,438
Collins:
He buried the money someplace.
1205
00:59:42,521 --> 00:59:44,104
He left that morning,
drove all the way
1206
00:59:44,188 --> 00:59:47,188
to wherever it was
he had buried this.
1207
00:59:47,271 --> 00:59:49,021
Located it, dug it up.
1208
00:59:49,104 --> 00:59:51,396
So this is the night
when he says "Geronimo,"
1209
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:53,521
and, and she took
the picture of him.
1210
00:59:53,605 --> 00:59:56,480
Sift through the money
and he's discovered that
1211
00:59:56,563 --> 00:59:58,688
almost all of it's
in great condition.
1212
00:59:58,772 --> 01:00:02,688
He's just elated,
but some of it's damaged.
1213
01:00:04,021 --> 01:00:06,355
Had he thrown the paper
sack into the trash,
1214
01:00:06,438 --> 01:00:08,897
which probably would've
been a wiser choice,
1215
01:00:08,980 --> 01:00:10,939
no one would've ever
looked inside it,
1216
01:00:11,021 --> 01:00:12,396
no one would ever
been the wiser.
1217
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:15,104
But instead,
he threw it in the river,
1218
01:00:15,188 --> 01:00:17,813
which then
ultimately was found
1219
01:00:17,897 --> 01:00:20,605
about nine miles away
from here. Tina-Bar.
1220
01:00:20,688 --> 01:00:21,980
♪ ♪
1221
01:00:22,063 --> 01:00:24,730
Reporter 1:
The speculation is
endless. For instance,
1222
01:00:24,813 --> 01:00:27,230
is it possible that
DB Cooper lived
1223
01:00:27,313 --> 01:00:31,021
and buried some of the money
right here, next to the tree?
1224
01:00:32,396 --> 01:00:34,230
Reporter 2:
By analyzing the sand,
1225
01:00:34,313 --> 01:00:36,480
geologists hope to learn
how several thousand dollars
1226
01:00:36,563 --> 01:00:39,063
in Cooper ransom
money arrived here.
1227
01:00:39,146 --> 01:00:41,271
(waves washing ashore)
1228
01:00:41,355 --> 01:00:43,063
Collins:
So the FBI,
1229
01:00:43,146 --> 01:00:46,063
they thought,
"We don't have
the expertise to decide
1230
01:00:46,146 --> 01:00:48,146
when did this money get here."
1231
01:00:48,230 --> 01:00:51,355
They dug trenches
three feet down.
1232
01:00:51,438 --> 01:00:53,855
Now, the money was
found at the top,
1233
01:00:53,939 --> 01:00:58,521
but there's a dredge layer down
in the middle of the trench.
1234
01:00:58,605 --> 01:01:01,897
That dredge layer
was from October 1974.
1235
01:01:01,980 --> 01:01:05,063
The money's found above
that dredge layer.
1236
01:01:05,146 --> 01:01:07,939
♪ ♪
1237
01:01:08,021 --> 01:01:09,855
The crime happened in 1971.
1238
01:01:09,939 --> 01:01:12,063
So if the money got here
that night or whatever,
1239
01:01:12,146 --> 01:01:14,271
it should be under
1240
01:01:14,355 --> 01:01:16,730
that identifiable
strata in the sand.
1241
01:01:18,063 --> 01:01:20,271
But it wasn't.
It was found at the top.
1242
01:01:22,188 --> 01:01:25,521
Reporter:
The area where the money was
found has been dug and re-dug
1243
01:01:25,605 --> 01:01:28,271
and results of yesterday's
geologic survey are
1244
01:01:28,355 --> 01:01:30,271
that the money couldn't
have been on this beach
1245
01:01:30,355 --> 01:01:32,313
as long as nine years.
1246
01:01:40,021 --> 01:01:42,480
Dower:
So this is a map that
you've made, Tim.
1247
01:01:42,563 --> 01:01:45,897
Yeah. Basically, what I wanted
to see was the waterways
1248
01:01:45,980 --> 01:01:48,480
in all of the county,
where do they go.
1249
01:01:48,563 --> 01:01:51,897
So, if he lands
in this area here,
1250
01:01:51,980 --> 01:01:54,188
all the waterways here
1251
01:01:54,271 --> 01:01:55,980
go to the north this way.
1252
01:01:56,063 --> 01:01:58,772
Yet, the money's
found down here.
1253
01:01:58,855 --> 01:02:01,271
Well, if you listen to Jo,
1254
01:02:01,355 --> 01:02:04,647
he came back in 1979
1255
01:02:04,730 --> 01:02:07,438
and threw in a paper
sack right here.
1256
01:02:08,688 --> 01:02:11,480
And the money drifted
around this bend
1257
01:02:11,563 --> 01:02:13,605
and stopped here.
1258
01:02:13,688 --> 01:02:15,647
It explains everything.
1259
01:02:15,730 --> 01:02:18,813
♪ ♪
1260
01:02:29,313 --> 01:02:32,396
(rumbling)
1261
01:02:35,104 --> 01:02:38,188
Barbara Dayton used
to be Bobby Dayton,
1262
01:02:38,271 --> 01:02:41,688
until 1969,
or Robert Elmer Dayton.
1263
01:02:41,772 --> 01:02:43,647
That was my father.
1264
01:02:43,730 --> 01:02:44,813
(click)
1265
01:02:53,438 --> 01:02:54,521
(sniffles)
1266
01:02:56,313 --> 01:02:59,605
Picture of my dad
when he was younger,
1267
01:02:59,688 --> 01:03:01,688
with, I guess, his first car
1268
01:03:01,772 --> 01:03:04,813
or something. Doesn't say.
1269
01:03:04,897 --> 01:03:08,355
And this is a picture of
my dad at the ranch house.
1270
01:03:11,271 --> 01:03:13,146
He was like a cowboy,
1271
01:03:13,230 --> 01:03:16,480
and my mother thought
he looked really sexy.
1272
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:20,313
But, according to my mother,
1273
01:03:20,396 --> 01:03:22,605
my dad kept dressing in
women's clothes.
1274
01:03:22,688 --> 01:03:24,897
He wanted to
come out and play cards
1275
01:03:24,980 --> 01:03:26,855
wearing the women's clothes.
He'd ask her,
1276
01:03:26,939 --> 01:03:29,396
"Do you mind if
I wear your clothes today?"
1277
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:32,813
And she would say,
"Fine."
1278
01:03:32,897 --> 01:03:36,271
But, I think she began
looking at him as a friend
1279
01:03:36,355 --> 01:03:39,146
instead of a lover.
1280
01:03:39,230 --> 01:03:42,313
When I had left home,
my brother was in Vietnam.
1281
01:03:42,396 --> 01:03:44,104
♪ ♪
1282
01:03:44,188 --> 01:03:47,063
But, he died in 1975.
1283
01:03:48,855 --> 01:03:52,813
And I came out
to the funeral,
1284
01:03:52,897 --> 01:03:57,563
and my dad flew down
in his Cessna 140.
1285
01:03:57,647 --> 01:04:00,563
And I got to meet her
1286
01:04:00,647 --> 01:04:04,230
as a her for the first time.
1287
01:04:05,813 --> 01:04:10,188
And he told me about
the surgery and why
1288
01:04:10,271 --> 01:04:12,313
and that he was a freak.
1289
01:04:12,396 --> 01:04:14,021
And I felt bad.
I felt really bad
1290
01:04:14,104 --> 01:04:16,647
that he kept calling
himself that.
1291
01:04:16,730 --> 01:04:19,104
I was on my way
with my cousin.
1292
01:04:19,188 --> 01:04:23,688
We were going to
Catheys Valley
after the funeral.
1293
01:04:23,772 --> 01:04:25,730
As we were traveling,
1294
01:04:25,813 --> 01:04:28,605
my cousin Billie-Jan said, um,
1295
01:04:28,688 --> 01:04:30,730
"Did you know your dad
was DB Cooper?"
1296
01:04:30,813 --> 01:04:34,730
And I said,
"No. Who's DB Cooper?"
1297
01:04:34,813 --> 01:04:36,396
♪ ♪
1298
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:41,313
Sharon Power:
When the composite
sketch came out,
1299
01:04:41,396 --> 01:04:44,230
and her dad saw it,
Bill saw it.
1300
01:04:44,313 --> 01:04:48,146
-He said, "That's my brother."
-And it scared him.
It scared my dad.
1301
01:04:48,230 --> 01:04:50,563
Dower:
This was at the actual
time of the hijacking?
1302
01:04:50,647 --> 01:04:53,313
Whenever that sketch came out
in Bakersfield, California,
1303
01:04:53,396 --> 01:04:55,813
because I remember exactly
where we were sitting
'cause it just--
1304
01:04:55,897 --> 01:04:58,605
We were sitting in a car
and it was pouring down rain.
1305
01:04:58,688 --> 01:05:00,855
He was reading the paper,
like he always did and he goes,
1306
01:05:00,939 --> 01:05:03,188
"That's Bobby."
And just like that.
1307
01:05:03,271 --> 01:05:07,563
And I could tell
he was afraid, you know?
1308
01:05:07,647 --> 01:05:09,855
And, uh, but he
never really, to me,
1309
01:05:09,939 --> 01:05:11,939
Dad never really talked
about it after that point.
It was like--
1310
01:05:12,021 --> 01:05:14,521
-No, he didn't.
-He didn't wanna...
1311
01:05:14,605 --> 01:05:17,230
-deal with that.
-He didn't approve of it at all.
1312
01:05:17,313 --> 01:05:19,563
Yeah, yeah, well,
and the sex change.
1313
01:05:19,647 --> 01:05:21,146
He didn't approve
of that either.
1314
01:05:21,230 --> 01:05:22,939
♪ ♪
1315
01:05:23,021 --> 01:05:25,188
Dower:
And those are--
these are the diaries?
1316
01:05:25,271 --> 01:05:28,396
Ruddell:
We don't really know where
he was that Thanksgiving.
1317
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:32,104
When the DB Cooper
hijacking happened,
1318
01:05:32,188 --> 01:05:35,063
my grandmother kept
diaries of every year.
1319
01:05:35,146 --> 01:05:37,104
My dad would say
1320
01:05:37,188 --> 01:05:38,897
that he wasn't coming
to Thanksgiving
1321
01:05:38,980 --> 01:05:41,313
or where he was gonna
be on Thanksgiving.
1322
01:05:41,396 --> 01:05:44,647
That one particular
year in 1971,
1323
01:05:44,730 --> 01:05:46,563
he said nothing.
1324
01:05:46,647 --> 01:05:49,939
It just says,
"house cleaning, etc.
1325
01:05:50,021 --> 01:05:52,855
"Ruth brought the turkey.
1326
01:05:52,939 --> 01:05:54,980
Irene made pumpkin pies."
1327
01:05:56,063 --> 01:05:58,813
So nothing was even mentioned.
1328
01:05:58,897 --> 01:06:02,480
It was just nothing.
And I believe
my grandparents knew.
1329
01:06:02,563 --> 01:06:05,104
Dower:
And so, when it
comes to DB Cooper,
1330
01:06:05,188 --> 01:06:07,104
and your father,
1331
01:06:07,188 --> 01:06:10,563
-you're a believer.
-Ruddell: Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
1332
01:06:10,647 --> 01:06:12,772
I definitely believe.
1333
01:06:12,855 --> 01:06:15,021
I believe it's my dad.
1334
01:06:16,355 --> 01:06:20,230
♪ ♪
1335
01:06:20,313 --> 01:06:21,855
Gray:
You know, it's hard to pick
1336
01:06:21,939 --> 01:06:24,730
among these suspects
who's more fascinating.
1337
01:06:24,813 --> 01:06:26,521
You have Barbara Dayton,
1338
01:06:26,605 --> 01:06:29,021
who had the ability, the guts,
1339
01:06:29,104 --> 01:06:32,188
-to just do the job.
-(shutter flash)
1340
01:06:32,271 --> 01:06:35,146
I really saw Barb Dayton
with that kind of mind,
1341
01:06:35,230 --> 01:06:38,396
with that kind of
jump experience,
and with nothing to lose.
1342
01:06:39,939 --> 01:06:43,104
Dower:
What do you make of
the Floyd McCoy story?
1343
01:06:43,188 --> 01:06:46,104
Gray:
Yeah, McCoy was
somebody, to me, who,
1344
01:06:46,188 --> 01:06:49,230
who, mentally,
had the capacity
1345
01:06:49,313 --> 01:06:51,104
to be a skyjacker
1346
01:06:51,188 --> 01:06:53,730
and understand the skyjacker,
1347
01:06:53,813 --> 01:06:54,939
but was he the one?
1348
01:06:55,021 --> 01:06:57,146
-(street chatter)
-(shutters snapping)
1349
01:06:57,230 --> 01:06:59,939
Smith:
Uh, the full story
of Richard McCoy
1350
01:07:00,021 --> 01:07:01,980
has not been told.
1351
01:07:02,063 --> 01:07:04,813
A lot of it has been
told by Bernie Rhodes.
1352
01:07:04,897 --> 01:07:06,855
-(projector clicks)
-Bernie Rhodes was
1353
01:07:06,939 --> 01:07:10,063
a federal sentencing officer
1354
01:07:10,146 --> 01:07:13,855
in the McCoy copycat case.
1355
01:07:13,939 --> 01:07:16,772
But, um, Bernie
won't talk to me.
1356
01:07:16,855 --> 01:07:18,563
Bernie won't talk to anybody.
1357
01:07:18,647 --> 01:07:20,980
Dower:
I've been trying to get
hold of him for over a year.
1358
01:07:21,063 --> 01:07:24,813
I've been trying to get
a hold of him for 11 years!
1359
01:07:24,897 --> 01:07:28,146
-(insects chirping)
-(cars passing)
1360
01:07:36,396 --> 01:07:38,021
Dower:
Don't know...
1361
01:07:39,355 --> 01:07:41,480
Mr. Bernie Rhodes.
1362
01:07:42,939 --> 01:07:44,897
-Finally!
-Bernie Rhodes: Hello!
1363
01:07:44,980 --> 01:07:46,980
-Am I gonna sit back down?
-Yes, sir.
1364
01:07:47,063 --> 01:07:48,980
-(grunts)
-Awesome.
1365
01:07:50,438 --> 01:07:53,021
Smith:
Bernie has
a unique perspective
1366
01:07:53,104 --> 01:07:54,855
because, at the time,
1367
01:07:54,939 --> 01:07:57,688
the whole FBI office
in Salt Lake City
1368
01:07:57,772 --> 01:08:01,104
were absolutely
convinced that McCoy
1369
01:08:01,188 --> 01:08:04,271
did the copycat thing
as a second skyjacking
1370
01:08:04,355 --> 01:08:07,730
because he must've lost
the money on the way down.
1371
01:08:07,813 --> 01:08:10,730
Dower:
If Richard McCoy was DB Cooper,
1372
01:08:10,813 --> 01:08:13,021
why in the world
would he go back
1373
01:08:13,104 --> 01:08:15,021
five months later
1374
01:08:15,104 --> 01:08:18,813
and hijack Flight 855?
1375
01:08:18,897 --> 01:08:21,855
Because he lost
the money the first time.
1376
01:08:21,939 --> 01:08:25,104
The Bureau in Seattle
brought aboard
1377
01:08:25,188 --> 01:08:27,271
a duffel bag that had
1378
01:08:27,355 --> 01:08:29,647
no handles, no zippers,
1379
01:08:29,730 --> 01:08:32,146
so that it would be easily...
1380
01:08:32,230 --> 01:08:36,605
uh, fallen out of--
the money would've fallen out
1381
01:08:36,688 --> 01:08:39,396
of the bag on the way
when he jumped.
1382
01:08:39,480 --> 01:08:41,021
-(wind blowing)
-(engines roaring)
1383
01:08:41,104 --> 01:08:42,855
Dower:
Where did you interview
Richard McCoy?
1384
01:08:42,939 --> 01:08:44,647
Set the scene for me.
1385
01:08:44,730 --> 01:08:47,647
Rhodes:
It was in the old county jail.
1386
01:08:47,730 --> 01:08:49,521
Dower:
You asked him where was he
1387
01:08:49,605 --> 01:08:51,605
the Thanksgiving
the year before,
1388
01:08:51,688 --> 01:08:53,855
the day of
the DB Cooper hijacking.
1389
01:08:54,980 --> 01:08:57,104
He was adamant...
1390
01:08:58,230 --> 01:08:59,980
that he was home.
1391
01:09:00,063 --> 01:09:02,730
There was no question
in his mind.
1392
01:09:02,813 --> 01:09:06,855
And there was no question
in my mind that he was not.
1393
01:09:06,939 --> 01:09:08,563
♪ ♪
1394
01:09:08,647 --> 01:09:11,438
Dower:
You put the picture of
DB Cooper on the table.
1395
01:09:11,521 --> 01:09:14,021
How did he react to
the picture being there?
1396
01:09:14,104 --> 01:09:16,146
Rhodes:
At one point,
1397
01:09:16,230 --> 01:09:18,188
he reacted...
1398
01:09:18,271 --> 01:09:21,438
emotionally. And, uh...
1399
01:09:22,730 --> 01:09:26,230
I think turned his head
away. He avoided it,
1400
01:09:26,313 --> 01:09:29,355
until the end of that day,
1401
01:09:29,438 --> 01:09:31,772
when I had been
tough on him.
1402
01:09:31,855 --> 01:09:36,605
And then he became
very suspicious.
1403
01:09:36,688 --> 01:09:39,104
Did his mood change?
1404
01:09:39,188 --> 01:09:41,772
Did his personality change?
1405
01:09:41,855 --> 01:09:44,730
-Yes.
-Smith: He didn't deny...
1406
01:09:44,813 --> 01:09:47,104
that he was DB Cooper.
1407
01:09:47,188 --> 01:09:50,188
He didn't deny that
he had any part
1408
01:09:50,271 --> 01:09:52,438
in the Cooper case.
He just said,
1409
01:09:52,521 --> 01:09:54,647
"I ain't talkin' about that."
1410
01:09:54,730 --> 01:09:56,772
Rhodes:
Richard's eyes
1411
01:09:56,855 --> 01:09:59,230
rested on the Cooper drawing.
1412
01:09:59,313 --> 01:10:01,188
He was clearly curious,
1413
01:10:01,271 --> 01:10:04,146
but, uh, he never touched it
1414
01:10:04,230 --> 01:10:06,480
with his hands.
1415
01:10:06,563 --> 01:10:10,188
To me, that seemed
a little bit unnatural.
1416
01:10:10,271 --> 01:10:12,271
From where I sat that morning,
1417
01:10:12,355 --> 01:10:16,563
the face across
from me seemed identical
1418
01:10:17,939 --> 01:10:21,480
to the composite
drawing of DB Cooper.
1419
01:10:21,563 --> 01:10:23,021
♪ ♪
1420
01:10:23,104 --> 01:10:24,563
He knew that I was
1421
01:10:24,647 --> 01:10:27,480
close enough and I was
closing in on him.
1422
01:10:27,563 --> 01:10:29,188
(inaudible)
1423
01:10:29,271 --> 01:10:31,730
He just kept saying,
"I was home,"
1424
01:10:31,813 --> 01:10:34,772
when we knew he wasn't.
1425
01:10:34,855 --> 01:10:36,313
We had all of the evidence
1426
01:10:36,396 --> 01:10:38,313
from the Power Thrust
service station
1427
01:10:38,396 --> 01:10:40,188
in Las Vegas, Nevada.
1428
01:10:40,271 --> 01:10:42,939
Dower:
McCoy was in Las Vegas, Nevada,
1429
01:10:43,021 --> 01:10:45,271
the day after
the Cooper hijacking,
1430
01:10:45,355 --> 01:10:47,605
despite saying
that he was at home
1431
01:10:47,688 --> 01:10:50,939
-in Utah for Thanksgiving.
-Bingo.
1432
01:10:51,021 --> 01:10:54,313
Gas receipts,
telephone transcripts
1433
01:10:54,396 --> 01:10:58,146
from the phone company that
he made a phone call back home
1434
01:10:58,230 --> 01:10:59,855
the night of Thanksgiving Day,
1435
01:10:59,939 --> 01:11:02,355
that he wasn't home.
He was in Las Vegas.
1436
01:11:02,438 --> 01:11:05,813
There are, there are
multiple pieces of hard evidence
1437
01:11:05,897 --> 01:11:08,855
putting McCoy in Las Vegas.
1438
01:11:08,939 --> 01:11:11,104
Rhodes:
So there was no question that
1439
01:11:11,188 --> 01:11:14,104
McCoy was in Las Vegas,
1440
01:11:14,188 --> 01:11:17,688
and then went to
a casino, which we think
1441
01:11:17,772 --> 01:11:21,021
he laundered
the $8,000 or $10,000
1442
01:11:21,104 --> 01:11:24,480
that he had,
and had not lost.
1443
01:11:24,563 --> 01:11:29,355
And, uh,
called his wife in Provo,
1444
01:11:29,438 --> 01:11:31,146
and said,
"I'm on my way home."
1445
01:11:31,230 --> 01:11:33,271
Now, that's pretty compelling.
1446
01:11:33,355 --> 01:11:35,730
Is it circumstantial?
1447
01:11:35,813 --> 01:11:39,271
I think it's pretty close
to being hard evidence.
1448
01:11:39,355 --> 01:11:42,438
♪ ♪
1449
01:11:45,772 --> 01:11:49,021
-(reporters chattering)
-Smith: McCoy didn't
take that lying down.
1450
01:11:49,104 --> 01:11:51,230
He busted
out of jail the next day.
1451
01:11:51,313 --> 01:11:53,188
Got apprehended a second time.
1452
01:11:53,271 --> 01:11:55,939
Got sent to a little bit
higher security prison.
1453
01:11:56,021 --> 01:11:58,104
Busted out of there, too,
1454
01:11:58,188 --> 01:12:00,605
and was on the lam
for quite a while.
1455
01:12:00,688 --> 01:12:04,188
And then the FBI got really
serious about Richard McCoy.
1456
01:12:05,772 --> 01:12:10,730
Particularly
Agent Nick O'Hara,
1457
01:12:10,813 --> 01:12:13,772
who actually
apprehended McCoy
1458
01:12:13,855 --> 01:12:16,396
many months later.
1459
01:12:16,480 --> 01:12:19,313
And actually killed
him in a gun battle.
1460
01:12:22,021 --> 01:12:24,813
Dower:
What's it like to
shoot a man though?
1461
01:12:26,855 --> 01:12:29,730
Well, it's pretty easy
if they shoot first
1462
01:12:29,813 --> 01:12:32,521
because you get a lot
of second guessing
1463
01:12:32,605 --> 01:12:35,897
on police-involved shootings,
1464
01:12:35,980 --> 01:12:37,480
but ours was very clean
1465
01:12:37,563 --> 01:12:39,897
because he came in,
he could've given up,
1466
01:12:39,980 --> 01:12:42,897
he chose not to, and...
1467
01:12:42,980 --> 01:12:45,605
-(clicking)
-he just...
1468
01:12:45,688 --> 01:12:47,897
when it's,
when it's clean like that...
1469
01:12:50,021 --> 01:12:51,396
that's about it.
1470
01:12:51,480 --> 01:12:55,271
It doesn't...
I don't feel anything, honestly.
1471
01:12:56,480 --> 01:12:58,230
♪ ♪
1472
01:12:58,313 --> 01:13:00,521
Reporter 1:
The FBI has reignited
a cold case
1473
01:13:00,605 --> 01:13:02,563
that has haunted
the bureau for years.
1474
01:13:02,647 --> 01:13:05,104
And this morning,
we have the exclusive story
1475
01:13:05,188 --> 01:13:07,271
from the woman who
believes she knows
1476
01:13:07,355 --> 01:13:09,647
the infamous
hijacker DB Cooper,
1477
01:13:09,730 --> 01:13:12,021
and her name is Marla Cooper.
1478
01:13:12,104 --> 01:13:13,855
Reporter 2:
A woman who gave the FBI
1479
01:13:13,939 --> 01:13:16,813
one of its most important leads
in the mystery of DB Cooper
1480
01:13:16,897 --> 01:13:19,063
says she thinks the case
is all but solved.
1481
01:13:19,146 --> 01:13:21,605
-You're kidding me.
Cooper as in...
-(laughs)
1482
01:13:21,688 --> 01:13:23,813
DB Cooper.
No-- This is not an alias.
1483
01:13:23,897 --> 01:13:27,563
-No.
-You believe that your
uncle was DB Cooper.
1484
01:13:27,647 --> 01:13:28,688
Yes, I do.
1485
01:13:28,772 --> 01:13:29,939
(indistinct chatter)
1486
01:13:30,021 --> 01:13:32,772
Cooper:
Thanksgiving 2011,
I actually met
1487
01:13:32,855 --> 01:13:34,980
the FBI agent here in Seattle,
1488
01:13:35,063 --> 01:13:38,230
and he told me that
he was closing the case.
1489
01:13:38,313 --> 01:13:41,230
He said, "I'm satisfied that
you're telling the truth.
1490
01:13:41,313 --> 01:13:43,438
I think everybody
here is satisfied."
1491
01:13:43,521 --> 01:13:44,772
♪ ♪
1492
01:13:44,855 --> 01:13:46,521
Dower:
Was that the first time
the FBI had actually
1493
01:13:46,605 --> 01:13:48,438
nailed their colors
to a mast on a...
1494
01:13:48,521 --> 01:13:50,063
-Smith: Yeah.
-Dower: suspect?
1495
01:13:50,146 --> 01:13:53,146
I think they wanted
to bury the case.
1496
01:13:53,230 --> 01:13:55,855
I think it was the first effort
1497
01:13:56,939 --> 01:13:59,605
by the FBI to walk away.
1498
01:13:59,688 --> 01:14:02,271
Dower:
She did pass a polygraph test.
1499
01:14:02,355 --> 01:14:04,313
I think she believes it!
1500
01:14:04,396 --> 01:14:07,188
(stammers)
Marla's credible!
1501
01:14:07,271 --> 01:14:09,980
Marla believes her story!
1502
01:14:10,063 --> 01:14:12,021
Cooper:
The last time I saw Uncle LD
1503
01:14:12,104 --> 01:14:15,605
was Christmas a year
after the hijacking.
1504
01:14:15,688 --> 01:14:17,688
♪ ♪
1505
01:14:17,772 --> 01:14:20,188
It was that Christmas
1506
01:14:20,271 --> 01:14:22,855
that my parents took him
1507
01:14:22,939 --> 01:14:25,271
to the airport,
1508
01:14:25,355 --> 01:14:27,355
and I never saw him again.
1509
01:14:27,438 --> 01:14:30,980
(projector clicking)
1510
01:14:31,063 --> 01:14:37,021
And every year,
at Christmas and Thanksgiving,
1511
01:14:37,104 --> 01:14:41,188
I would say, "Where's LD?
Has anybody heard from LD?"
1512
01:14:41,271 --> 01:14:42,688
And nobody ever did.
1513
01:14:42,772 --> 01:14:44,855
(children laughing)
1514
01:14:44,939 --> 01:14:48,188
Dower:
So how did this
then all resurface
1515
01:14:48,271 --> 01:14:50,188
nearly 25 years later?
1516
01:14:52,563 --> 01:14:55,688
Cooper:
I remembered my father
telling me this...
1517
01:14:55,772 --> 01:15:00,980
story which was in
1995 at Christmas.
1518
01:15:01,063 --> 01:15:03,647
And I said, "Dad,
1519
01:15:03,730 --> 01:15:06,271
what do you think ever
happened to Uncle LD?"
1520
01:15:06,355 --> 01:15:08,146
(inaudible)
1521
01:15:08,230 --> 01:15:10,521
He, he goes,
"I really don't know, Marla.
1522
01:15:10,605 --> 01:15:12,188
I don't have any idea."
And I said,
1523
01:15:12,271 --> 01:15:14,104
"Do you think he's
still alive?" He said,
1524
01:15:14,188 --> 01:15:16,563
"Oh yeah. I'm sure
he's still alive."
1525
01:15:16,647 --> 01:15:19,355
He said, "But I think
he's still hiding."
1526
01:15:20,772 --> 01:15:25,271
And I said, "Hiding?
Who would he be hiding from?"
1527
01:15:25,355 --> 01:15:27,230
And he said,
"You know, the CIA
1528
01:15:27,313 --> 01:15:30,063
and the FBI."
And I said,
1529
01:15:30,146 --> 01:15:32,480
"Dad, why would
Uncle LD be hiding
1530
01:15:32,563 --> 01:15:34,563
from the FBI?" And he goes,
1531
01:15:34,647 --> 01:15:37,605
"Don't you remember?
He hijacked that airplane."
1532
01:15:37,688 --> 01:15:39,563
♪ ♪
1533
01:15:39,647 --> 01:15:42,313
So when Dad said this to me,
1534
01:15:44,146 --> 01:15:45,355
it was like
1535
01:15:45,438 --> 01:15:47,188
he unlocked
1536
01:15:47,271 --> 01:15:49,980
a secret box inside of my mind
1537
01:15:50,063 --> 01:15:52,063
that was--
that I'd forgotten.
1538
01:15:55,688 --> 01:15:58,438
My dad died one month after
1539
01:15:58,521 --> 01:16:00,688
I visited him at Christmas.
1540
01:16:00,772 --> 01:16:02,313
He had called me several times
1541
01:16:02,396 --> 01:16:05,980
and said,
"You know what happened.
You'll remember."
1542
01:16:06,063 --> 01:16:07,313
(indistinct chatter)
1543
01:16:07,396 --> 01:16:09,939
And I hadn't taken him
very seriously at the time.
1544
01:16:10,021 --> 01:16:12,146
But when my memories
did surface,
1545
01:16:12,230 --> 01:16:14,605
I remembered that
mandate from him.
1546
01:16:14,688 --> 01:16:16,480
(projector clicking)
1547
01:16:16,563 --> 01:16:18,271
Dower:
Do you believe your uncle was,
1548
01:16:18,355 --> 01:16:21,813
or is, DB Dan Cooper?
1549
01:16:21,897 --> 01:16:25,104
I know my uncle
was DB Dan Cooper.
1550
01:16:26,813 --> 01:16:30,146
Dower:
You think your husband
was DB Cooper?
1551
01:16:30,230 --> 01:16:32,855
I know he was DB Cooper.
1552
01:16:33,980 --> 01:16:37,063
I know it, with all my heart
1553
01:16:37,146 --> 01:16:38,480
and all my soul.
1554
01:16:38,563 --> 01:16:41,772
Do you think I would've
given up 23 years of my life
1555
01:16:41,855 --> 01:16:45,855
if I didn't believe it
with all my heart and soul?
1556
01:16:45,939 --> 01:16:48,688
Dower:
Do you believe that
Richard Floyd McCoy
1557
01:16:48,772 --> 01:16:50,855
was DB Cooper?
1558
01:16:52,021 --> 01:16:54,188
You know, I don't know
how you can just
1559
01:16:54,271 --> 01:16:57,688
dismiss all of the evidence.
1560
01:16:57,772 --> 01:17:01,647
Dower:
So do you believe
Barbara was DB Cooper?
1561
01:17:01,730 --> 01:17:03,146
Definitely.
1562
01:17:03,230 --> 01:17:04,647
-Hundred--
-Little by little,
1563
01:17:04,730 --> 01:17:08,480
just every little detail
that kept coming together,
1564
01:17:08,563 --> 01:17:10,521
and um...
1565
01:17:10,605 --> 01:17:13,230
-I just definitely
believe he was.
-I never had a doubt
1566
01:17:13,313 --> 01:17:15,188
from the minute
I saw that picture when
1567
01:17:15,271 --> 01:17:17,396
we combed the hair back,
and I'd flown with her.
1568
01:17:17,480 --> 01:17:19,480
I knew her, what
she was capable of doing.
1569
01:17:19,563 --> 01:17:23,355
(rumbling)
1570
01:17:23,438 --> 01:17:25,355
Let me grab the ashes, too.
1571
01:17:25,438 --> 01:17:29,271
This is Barb Dayton's
ashes, and I...
1572
01:17:29,355 --> 01:17:32,521
every now and then,
she kind of likes to go for
an airplane ride, you know?
1573
01:17:32,605 --> 01:17:36,021
-Dower: So, you seriously
take her ashes--
-I do seriously. Yes I do, yeah.
1574
01:17:36,104 --> 01:17:39,939
-(rumbling)
-Dower: Why do you think
they believe so much?
1575
01:17:40,021 --> 01:17:41,980
Smith:
Part of it is
1576
01:17:42,063 --> 01:17:44,355
it's a validation
of their friend.
1577
01:17:44,438 --> 01:17:47,230
This is what their
friend told them.
1578
01:17:47,313 --> 01:17:51,313
And there's enough
compelling evidence...
1579
01:17:54,730 --> 01:17:56,939
to...
1580
01:17:57,021 --> 01:18:00,605
make all the neurological
synapses fire
1581
01:18:00,688 --> 01:18:02,688
to put it into
the truth category.
1582
01:18:02,772 --> 01:18:05,897
(plane rumbling)
1583
01:18:09,521 --> 01:18:12,605
(roaring)
1584
01:18:17,146 --> 01:18:20,563
Dower:
Now, you're one of
the few people who
1585
01:18:20,647 --> 01:18:23,813
have access to the FBI files.
1586
01:18:26,897 --> 01:18:27,855
Yeah.
1587
01:18:27,939 --> 01:18:31,188
♪ ♪
1588
01:18:33,021 --> 01:18:37,355
I walked
into the basement
of the FBI archives
1589
01:18:37,438 --> 01:18:40,313
in a bureau field office,
1590
01:18:40,396 --> 01:18:44,104
and I just saw these
big closets of files,
1591
01:18:44,188 --> 01:18:45,980
and I thought,
1592
01:18:46,063 --> 01:18:47,939
"This is the Holy Land.
1593
01:18:48,021 --> 01:18:50,313
"Like, I'm in, man. I'm in.
1594
01:18:50,396 --> 01:18:51,563
"It's gotta be here somewhere.
1595
01:18:51,647 --> 01:18:52,939
The answer's gotta
be here somewhere."
1596
01:18:53,021 --> 01:18:54,855
No disrespect to the FBI,
but I thought,
1597
01:18:54,939 --> 01:18:57,605
"I can spend the time
and go through
40 years later,
1598
01:18:57,688 --> 01:18:59,313
and nail the sucker."
1599
01:19:01,563 --> 01:19:04,355
But what happens
in the Cooper case
1600
01:19:04,438 --> 01:19:07,438
is that the Cooper case files,
the majority of them,
1601
01:19:07,521 --> 01:19:09,688
they are hundreds,
1602
01:19:09,772 --> 01:19:11,647
if not thousands of letters,
1603
01:19:11,730 --> 01:19:14,313
poems, different pranks,
1604
01:19:14,396 --> 01:19:16,688
different suspicions
of people, who all
1605
01:19:16,772 --> 01:19:19,146
flooded the FBI
with their best tips,
1606
01:19:19,230 --> 01:19:21,188
thinking that their
neighbor was Cooper,
1607
01:19:21,271 --> 01:19:22,688
their ex-wives were Cooper.
1608
01:19:22,772 --> 01:19:24,855
Every complaint that people
seemed to have in America
1609
01:19:24,939 --> 01:19:26,438
seemed to be blamed on Cooper.
1610
01:19:27,939 --> 01:19:30,146
In the whole FBI file,
the vast majority of it
1611
01:19:30,230 --> 01:19:34,688
are just a sort of
depository of paranoia.
1612
01:19:34,772 --> 01:19:36,521
♪ ♪
1613
01:19:36,605 --> 01:19:39,521
Mitchell:
I've had people that
1614
01:19:39,605 --> 01:19:42,063
come up and tell me
that they've got
1615
01:19:42,146 --> 01:19:45,271
wife's cousin who,
1616
01:19:45,355 --> 01:19:48,104
on his deathbed,
said he was DB Cooper,
1617
01:19:48,188 --> 01:19:50,813
trying to get me to point to...
1618
01:19:52,438 --> 01:19:55,396
somebody-- that I would
recognize something.
1619
01:19:57,355 --> 01:19:59,647
Reporter:
Take the annual
DB Cooper festival
1620
01:19:59,730 --> 01:20:02,563
at the Ariel Washington
Tavern and Store.
1621
01:20:02,647 --> 01:20:05,897
There, enthusiasts
even reenact
Cooper's parachute jump.
1622
01:20:05,980 --> 01:20:07,647
(indistinct chatter)
1623
01:20:07,730 --> 01:20:10,688
Cooper is right here in this
place at this very minute.
1624
01:20:10,772 --> 01:20:12,605
I think he made it myself.
1625
01:20:12,688 --> 01:20:15,855
I do think so that
DB Cooper will live on.
1626
01:20:15,939 --> 01:20:19,146
Cooper:
The first thing that
kinda hit in my head was,
1627
01:20:19,230 --> 01:20:20,855
"That looks like my dad."
1628
01:20:20,939 --> 01:20:23,939
Woman 1: That is Bobby!
That looks just like Bobby!
That's Bobby!
1629
01:20:24,021 --> 01:20:25,855
Man 1:
And he called me
1630
01:20:25,939 --> 01:20:28,313
to his bedside, and he said,
1631
01:20:28,396 --> 01:20:30,980
"There's something
you should know."
1632
01:20:31,063 --> 01:20:33,563
Mr. DB Cooper.
1633
01:20:33,647 --> 01:20:36,980
Ruddell:
I definitely believe
that was my dad.
1634
01:20:37,063 --> 01:20:38,605
Pat:
I miss her a lot.
1635
01:20:38,688 --> 01:20:40,563
I even talk to her
sometimes. (laughs)
1636
01:20:40,647 --> 01:20:43,188
Woman 2:
Can't say that he came
home bloodied and bruised
1637
01:20:43,271 --> 01:20:44,813
'cause he just
never came home.
1638
01:20:44,897 --> 01:20:48,230
Man 2:
That's where the bomb was.
Right in this attaché case.
1639
01:20:48,313 --> 01:20:50,647
Mitchell:
And they would send
me a picture and say,
1640
01:20:50,730 --> 01:20:54,188
"Can you tell me if
this guy was DB Cooper?"
1641
01:20:54,271 --> 01:20:55,897
You know, 50 years ago.
1642
01:20:55,980 --> 01:20:58,480
And I... no, I can't.
1643
01:20:58,563 --> 01:21:00,396
I've quit answering them.
1644
01:21:00,480 --> 01:21:03,521
♪ ♪
1645
01:21:07,063 --> 01:21:09,897
(wind blowing)
1646
01:21:13,438 --> 01:21:15,855
Collins:
I realize that there are
thousands of people who say,
1647
01:21:15,939 --> 01:21:18,355
"I know who Cooper is.
He's my dad, he's my uncle,
1648
01:21:18,438 --> 01:21:21,813
"he's so-and-so.
I've done all this research,
1649
01:21:21,897 --> 01:21:23,230
I know it, I know it,
I know it."
1650
01:21:23,313 --> 01:21:26,855
And I realize I sound
exactly like those people.
1651
01:21:26,939 --> 01:21:28,813
So I look at myself
and go, okay.
1652
01:21:28,897 --> 01:21:30,688
Is there any difference between
1653
01:21:30,772 --> 01:21:32,313
what I'm seeing
and what they're seeing?
1654
01:21:32,396 --> 01:21:34,480
Am I just as delusional
or whatever?
1655
01:21:34,563 --> 01:21:38,438
-Dower: It's endless.
-Collins: Yeah.
It's like an endless loop.
1656
01:21:38,521 --> 01:21:41,146
It just sucks people in.
1657
01:21:41,980 --> 01:21:45,063
♪ ♪
1658
01:21:46,813 --> 01:21:49,772
Dower:
These people all have
a DB Cooper-shaped hole
1659
01:21:49,855 --> 01:21:51,939
-in their lives.
-Smith: Hm.
1660
01:21:52,021 --> 01:21:54,104
I hadn't realized that,
but I think you're right.
1661
01:21:54,188 --> 01:21:56,980
I think that's
an interesting perspective.
1662
01:21:57,063 --> 01:21:59,980
Dower:
What is your
DB Cooper-shaped hole?
1663
01:22:00,063 --> 01:22:03,271
-Why are you so engaged
with this story?
-(Smith sighs)
1664
01:22:03,355 --> 01:22:04,939
I don't have a full
understanding of it.
1665
01:22:05,021 --> 01:22:07,313
I don't have a complete
answer for you on that.
1666
01:22:11,021 --> 01:22:14,939
But I think Cooper speaks to
something bigger and deeper
1667
01:22:15,021 --> 01:22:17,355
in more people.
1668
01:22:18,772 --> 01:22:20,730
People who think,
1669
01:22:20,813 --> 01:22:24,146
"I'm just not tough enough,
1670
01:22:24,230 --> 01:22:26,521
"I'm just not rich enough,
1671
01:22:26,605 --> 01:22:29,563
"and I just don't have
enough opportunities.
1672
01:22:29,647 --> 01:22:32,605
"And if I had a little
bit more of something,
1673
01:22:32,688 --> 01:22:34,021
"I'd have a better life.
1674
01:22:34,104 --> 01:22:36,772
"But Cooper figured it out.
1675
01:22:36,855 --> 01:22:39,813
"He's a smart guy,
I'm a smart guy.
1676
01:22:39,897 --> 01:22:41,647
"He figured, okay.
1677
01:22:41,730 --> 01:22:44,021
"I'm gonna jump out
of this airplane, 200,000.
1678
01:22:44,104 --> 01:22:45,647
"I'm gonna be in the woods,
1679
01:22:45,730 --> 01:22:49,521
"and he got away with it.
I wanna be a Cooper.
1680
01:22:49,605 --> 01:22:52,730
"I wanna be tough enough
to jump out of an airplane,
1681
01:22:52,813 --> 01:22:57,230
"in November, at 8:00
at night, in the rain.
1682
01:22:57,313 --> 01:22:58,897
"Not give a shit.
1683
01:22:58,980 --> 01:23:01,230
"And be smart enough to make it.
I'll get down to the ground.
1684
01:23:01,313 --> 01:23:03,855
"I'm a tough guy.
I'll know how to survive.
1685
01:23:03,939 --> 01:23:07,146
Country boys
know how to survive."
1686
01:23:07,730 --> 01:23:10,063
♪ ♪
1687
01:23:10,146 --> 01:23:12,855
Like I said,
all Cooper all the time.
1688
01:23:15,897 --> 01:23:17,521
Gray:
It's really not
about him anyway.
1689
01:23:17,605 --> 01:23:18,772
It's about the people.
1690
01:23:18,855 --> 01:23:20,647
It's about believing
in the fantasy.
1691
01:23:20,730 --> 01:23:24,688
It's about believing
in something.
1692
01:23:24,772 --> 01:23:28,021
We're kinda designed to believe
in things, and right now,
1693
01:23:28,104 --> 01:23:29,438
like what do you have
to believe in?
1694
01:23:29,521 --> 01:23:31,230
You know, there's not really
that much out there
1695
01:23:31,313 --> 01:23:34,063
that you get to
believe in that has
1696
01:23:34,146 --> 01:23:36,438
a sense of mystery,
a sense of notoriety attached,
1697
01:23:36,521 --> 01:23:38,063
a treasure to find.
1698
01:23:38,146 --> 01:23:40,188
It gives people
a chance to believe.
1699
01:23:42,355 --> 01:23:43,813
Dower:
It's kind of overwhelming.
1700
01:23:43,897 --> 01:23:45,188
There's so many
different stories,
1701
01:23:45,271 --> 01:23:47,063
so much evidence.
1702
01:23:47,146 --> 01:23:50,313
It's so easy to get lost
down the rabbit hole.
1703
01:23:50,396 --> 01:23:52,230
Well, I'll tell you what.
I want you to walk
1704
01:23:52,313 --> 01:23:54,647
through that rabbit hole
right there.
1705
01:23:54,730 --> 01:23:58,230
Just walk out through there,
and then come back.
1706
01:24:08,605 --> 01:24:11,688
And that actually wasn't
planned. (chuckles)
1707
01:24:11,772 --> 01:24:14,855
♪ ♪
1708
01:24:27,188 --> 01:24:29,939
But he can see
where he's going now.
1709
01:24:30,021 --> 01:24:33,021
But he couldn't see it
at night, could he?
1710
01:24:33,104 --> 01:24:36,605
And look at how hard of
a time he's having now.
1711
01:24:47,688 --> 01:24:49,939
Crew Member:
I think he's lost.
1712
01:24:52,772 --> 01:24:54,021
(chuckles)
1713
01:24:54,104 --> 01:24:56,772
He's having some fun, isn't he?
1714
01:25:00,230 --> 01:25:02,939
Okay, just look for
any moving branch.
1715
01:25:03,772 --> 01:25:05,688
I lost track of him.
1716
01:25:05,772 --> 01:25:08,605
He'll be circling around on us.
1717
01:25:16,605 --> 01:25:20,396
Montoya:
There is the reputation
and the mystique
1718
01:25:20,480 --> 01:25:23,271
that the FBI always
gets its man.
1719
01:25:23,355 --> 01:25:25,605
They're kinda like
the Canadian Mounties, right?
1720
01:25:25,688 --> 01:25:27,772
But there are also
those instances
1721
01:25:27,855 --> 01:25:30,146
when we kinda have
to grin and bear it
1722
01:25:30,230 --> 01:25:32,230
and say, well, not in this case.
1723
01:25:34,897 --> 01:25:37,897
Reporter:
Agent Montoya,
why, why now?
1724
01:25:37,980 --> 01:25:40,104
Why the decision
to close this case now?
1725
01:25:40,188 --> 01:25:42,146
♪ ♪
1726
01:25:42,230 --> 01:25:43,897
Montoya:
We would love
to have solved this.
1727
01:25:43,980 --> 01:25:45,730
There's no question
about it.
1728
01:25:45,813 --> 01:25:47,897
I mean,
to see justice served,
1729
01:25:47,980 --> 01:25:49,813
and it doesn't feel good
1730
01:25:49,897 --> 01:25:53,271
to acknowledge that this is
1731
01:25:53,355 --> 01:25:57,855
the only unsolved skyjacking
in American history.
1732
01:25:57,939 --> 01:26:01,188
I think that what helps
is the fact that
it was 45 years old,
1733
01:26:01,271 --> 01:26:05,396
and realizing that there
just wasn't a lot to go on.
1734
01:26:05,480 --> 01:26:08,355
(stammers)
That it was time for us
to make that decision,
1735
01:26:08,438 --> 01:26:10,980
time for me to make
that decision to move on
to other things.
1736
01:26:11,063 --> 01:26:14,897
That's not to say
that it's, you know, dead
and over with forever.
1737
01:26:14,980 --> 01:26:16,438
If something were to arise,
1738
01:26:16,521 --> 01:26:18,939
those parachutes or that
money, we would gladly
1739
01:26:19,021 --> 01:26:22,355
take that
and run with it.
1740
01:26:22,438 --> 01:26:26,104
It's transpired, along
with my history so to speak.
1741
01:26:26,188 --> 01:26:27,688
I remember watching television
1742
01:26:27,772 --> 01:26:30,104
and seeing
the original reports.
1743
01:26:30,188 --> 01:26:32,605
Never did I think I'd
be in this position today,
1744
01:26:32,688 --> 01:26:36,146
saying to you that
we're closing the case
and it's not resolved.
1745
01:26:36,230 --> 01:26:38,647
♪ ♪
1746
01:26:38,730 --> 01:26:41,396
Whether we like it or not,
it's part of our
cultural history.
1747
01:26:41,480 --> 01:26:43,438
Whether it's Jesse James,
you know,
1748
01:26:43,521 --> 01:26:45,021
or Butch and Sundance,
1749
01:26:45,104 --> 01:26:47,230
or Bonnie and Clyde.
1750
01:26:48,480 --> 01:26:50,188
I mean, there are a lot
of mysteries out there.
1751
01:26:50,271 --> 01:26:53,480
There's no question about it,
and this is gonna be
one of those.