1 00:00:05,799 --> 00:00:08,135 (alarm buzzes) 2 00:00:16,685 --> 00:00:18,937 - [Kal] Rich people. 3 00:00:18,979 --> 00:00:21,982 You know the type I'm talking about, 4 00:00:23,358 --> 00:00:26,445 with their ridiculously lavish cribs, 5 00:00:28,155 --> 00:00:31,784 their cars for every day of the week, 6 00:00:31,825 --> 00:00:35,412 their tracksuits for every day of the week. 7 00:00:36,747 --> 00:00:38,373 Let's just say it. 8 00:00:38,415 --> 00:00:41,251 A lot of them come across as dicks. 9 00:00:43,629 --> 00:00:45,047 There are Ponzi scheme running, 10 00:00:45,088 --> 00:00:49,510 steal your life savings rich dicks, 11 00:00:49,551 --> 00:00:52,596 take no political prisoners but if you do, waterboard them, 12 00:00:52,638 --> 00:00:56,683 oh also, shoot a friend in the face rich dicks, 13 00:00:56,725 --> 00:00:58,393 holy shit, how did these YouTube videos 14 00:00:58,435 --> 00:01:01,688 make this guy 14 mil a year rich dicks. 15 00:01:01,730 --> 00:01:03,899 - Blah, blah, blah, more material objects. 16 00:01:03,941 --> 00:01:06,026 Guys, the point is I bought a lot of things, 17 00:01:06,068 --> 00:01:07,820 including this Rolex. 18 00:01:07,861 --> 00:01:10,614 - [Kal] Performance enhancing, we're going to have to put 19 00:01:10,656 --> 00:01:14,034 an asterisk in that "W" column, rich dicks. 20 00:01:14,076 --> 00:01:15,786 - How many times do I have to say it? 21 00:01:15,828 --> 00:01:18,872 I've never taken performance enhancing drugs. 22 00:01:18,914 --> 00:01:20,541 - Even Wu-Tang Clan disrespecting 23 00:01:20,624 --> 00:01:22,376 pharma bro rich dicks. 24 00:01:25,087 --> 00:01:27,130 What is it about having a lot of money 25 00:01:27,172 --> 00:01:30,008 and a willingness to step over anyone 26 00:01:30,050 --> 00:01:33,804 to get more of it that seem to so often go together? 27 00:01:33,846 --> 00:01:39,101 Is there a correlation between richness and dickness? 28 00:01:39,142 --> 00:01:41,270 And while we're asking questions, how many times can I say 29 00:01:41,311 --> 00:01:44,106 the word dick in a show about the economy? 30 00:01:44,147 --> 00:01:46,400 The answer may surprise you. 31 00:01:48,402 --> 00:01:52,531 Whether you like it or not, we're all connected by money. 32 00:01:52,573 --> 00:01:56,243 I'm Kal Penn, exploring this giant beast 33 00:01:56,285 --> 00:01:58,579 that is the global economy. 34 00:02:07,212 --> 00:02:08,630 If we're gonna spend the whole episode 35 00:02:08,672 --> 00:02:11,091 unpacking a broadly drawn stereotype, 36 00:02:11,133 --> 00:02:14,136 it maybe be helpful to have a concrete example. 37 00:02:14,177 --> 00:02:18,724 So we scoured the world to find the perfect specimen. 38 00:02:19,683 --> 00:02:21,143 His name is Justin. 39 00:02:23,145 --> 00:02:26,773 Justin Ross Lee is an American entrepreneur 40 00:02:26,815 --> 00:02:29,610 whose passions include leveraging his rich dick persona 41 00:02:29,651 --> 00:02:33,071 to travel the world in first class, and then bragging 42 00:02:33,113 --> 00:02:36,909 about his jet setting exploits on Instagram. 43 00:02:36,950 --> 00:02:38,535 We're meeting for champagne and pedicures 44 00:02:38,577 --> 00:02:40,704 at his favorite resort. 45 00:02:40,746 --> 00:02:44,207 He is, in short, a total dick. 46 00:02:44,249 --> 00:02:45,500 - Cheers.- What? No, no, no. 47 00:02:45,542 --> 00:02:46,793 We don't say cheers in Thailand. 48 00:02:46,835 --> 00:02:48,921 In New York, I'd say l'chaim. 49 00:02:48,962 --> 00:02:50,589 Here, we say chok dee krap. 50 00:02:50,631 --> 00:02:52,841 I know, I know what you're gonna say. 51 00:02:52,883 --> 00:02:54,718 - I'm not saying anything except I don't trust you yet. 52 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:56,219 So okay, I'll play. 53 00:02:56,261 --> 00:02:58,722 - [Justin] Chok dee krap. - Chok dee krap. 54 00:02:58,764 --> 00:03:01,683 It's unclear how much Justin is worth, 55 00:03:01,725 --> 00:03:03,810 but he's made acting like a rich dick 56 00:03:03,852 --> 00:03:05,729 the centerpiece of his business. 57 00:03:05,771 --> 00:03:07,356 - [Justin] It's not just about being an asshole, 58 00:03:07,397 --> 00:03:09,066 but it certainly helps. 59 00:03:09,107 --> 00:03:11,360 - [Kal] His company is called Pretentious Pocket. 60 00:03:11,401 --> 00:03:14,321 They sell pocket squares with names like the Madoff 61 00:03:14,363 --> 00:03:16,239 and the Bateman to a consumer base 62 00:03:16,281 --> 00:03:19,326 who look at Justin and are like, "That guy! 63 00:03:19,368 --> 00:03:20,702 "Yeah, I also wanna look like a bully 64 00:03:20,744 --> 00:03:22,329 in a John Hughes movie." 65 00:03:22,371 --> 00:03:24,706 - We make the world's finest pocket square 66 00:03:24,748 --> 00:03:28,085 that's literally made of fuck-you silk. 67 00:03:30,253 --> 00:03:32,881 People all over the world buy my product. 68 00:03:32,923 --> 00:03:35,050 Why do they buy my product, Kal? 69 00:03:35,092 --> 00:03:36,551 - I don't know. - To peacock, 70 00:03:36,593 --> 00:03:38,929 to be pretentious, to be obnoxious. 71 00:03:38,971 --> 00:03:43,016 And I think in a global economy in 2018, 2019, 72 00:03:43,058 --> 00:03:46,186 you really need to be in your face 73 00:03:46,228 --> 00:03:48,480 and completely unapologetic. 74 00:03:48,522 --> 00:03:51,650 If 49% of the people love you 75 00:03:51,692 --> 00:03:54,236 and 51% of the people hate you, 76 00:03:54,277 --> 00:03:55,821 as long as people are talking about you, 77 00:03:55,862 --> 00:03:58,156 I think you're doing something right. 78 00:03:58,198 --> 00:04:00,367 You have to be bold, brash and obnoxious 79 00:04:00,409 --> 00:04:03,495 in order to stand out and become best of breed. 80 00:04:03,537 --> 00:04:06,790 - Yeah. - For example, if you're going to be in logistics 81 00:04:06,832 --> 00:04:08,959 or shipping, you better be FedEx. 82 00:04:09,001 --> 00:04:11,837 If you're going to sell condoms, 83 00:04:11,878 --> 00:04:14,256 you better be fucking Trojan. 84 00:04:14,297 --> 00:04:16,008 And unless you've made that impression, 85 00:04:16,049 --> 00:04:18,760 you've failed in whatever it is that you do. 86 00:04:18,802 --> 00:04:21,138 - Like for example, you, Kal Penn. - Yeah. 87 00:04:21,179 --> 00:04:23,682 - If somebody thinks White Castle 88 00:04:23,724 --> 00:04:26,727 and doesn't think Kal Penn, you failed as an actor. 89 00:04:26,768 --> 00:04:28,520 That's it. 90 00:04:28,562 --> 00:04:30,480 - If the thing that I'm known for is a movie I did 91 00:04:30,522 --> 00:04:32,649 12 years ago, I'm doing something wrong, right? 92 00:04:32,691 --> 00:04:34,651 - (laughs) You have to be in the back of their minds. 93 00:04:34,693 --> 00:04:37,320 - I get it. (laughs) I'm not saying I don't get it. 94 00:04:37,362 --> 00:04:40,323 I'm saying what, like, what are some of the things 95 00:04:40,365 --> 00:04:42,701 that make people successful and why? 96 00:04:42,743 --> 00:04:44,786 - Shamelessness. 97 00:04:44,828 --> 00:04:47,956 Quite frankly, you have to be an asshole. 98 00:04:47,998 --> 00:04:51,209 Like the founders of Uber needed to realize 99 00:04:51,251 --> 00:04:54,296 they were gonna piss off a lot of cab drivers. 100 00:04:54,337 --> 00:04:57,924 But then again, in 2018, 101 00:04:57,966 --> 00:05:00,093 hailing a cab just doesn't really work. 102 00:05:00,135 --> 00:05:02,471 I mean, look at what Airbnb has done 103 00:05:02,512 --> 00:05:05,390 to the hospitality industry. 104 00:05:05,432 --> 00:05:07,476 - [Kal] Ah, this dick may have a point. 105 00:05:07,517 --> 00:05:10,937 Winning at business does mean someone else loses. 106 00:05:10,979 --> 00:05:13,940 Uber may have saved everyone a fortune in DUI fines. 107 00:05:13,982 --> 00:05:15,984 - These girls are crazy! 108 00:05:16,026 --> 00:05:18,195 Ah! (laughs) 109 00:05:18,236 --> 00:05:21,114 - [Kal] But it also cost thousands of cab drivers their livelihoods. 110 00:05:21,156 --> 00:05:24,409 And Airbnb is a great way to make some extra cash 111 00:05:24,451 --> 00:05:26,203 by letting strangers treat your home 112 00:05:26,244 --> 00:05:28,663 the way Led Zeppelin treated hotel rooms. 113 00:05:28,705 --> 00:05:30,582 - [Reporter] When Mark and Star King finally entered 114 00:05:30,624 --> 00:05:32,751 their home after renting it out for the weekend, 115 00:05:32,793 --> 00:05:34,169 they were shocked at what they saw. 116 00:05:34,211 --> 00:05:36,379 - There's mayonnaise on furniture, 117 00:05:36,421 --> 00:05:38,048 and barbecue sauce everywhere, 118 00:05:38,090 --> 00:05:41,218 and chicken meat in my shoes. 119 00:05:41,259 --> 00:05:43,428 - [Kal] But you can't hose off the damage Airbnb 120 00:05:43,470 --> 00:05:46,098 has done to the hospitality industry. 121 00:05:46,139 --> 00:05:51,853 - You really need to either adapt, adopt or die. 122 00:05:51,895 --> 00:05:54,856 And so if you're at odds at being able to do 123 00:05:54,898 --> 00:05:59,152 whatever it is you do best because you feel bad, 124 00:05:59,194 --> 00:06:01,404 you're a fucking dinosaur, man. 125 00:06:02,656 --> 00:06:03,657 - Alright. 126 00:06:03,698 --> 00:06:05,033 - [Justin] Kal. - Yeah. 127 00:06:05,075 --> 00:06:06,910 Ketokap, I'm gonna need my hand back. 128 00:06:06,952 --> 00:06:09,246 (speaks in foreign language) 129 00:06:09,287 --> 00:06:11,081 - Like how soft, feel that. - Thank you. 130 00:06:11,123 --> 00:06:12,874 - This is great. -You gotta follow me on Instagram. 131 00:06:15,210 --> 00:06:17,087 - [Kal] Oh, great. 132 00:06:17,129 --> 00:06:21,758 Now I'm gonna be tagged on Instagram alongside this and this 133 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:23,718 and this, 134 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,680 when normally, my Instagram feed looks like this. 135 00:06:33,687 --> 00:06:36,231 According to Justin, the path to personal success 136 00:06:36,273 --> 00:06:40,152 is littered with the bodies of your competition. 137 00:06:40,193 --> 00:06:42,988 There's a word for people with complete lack of empathy. 138 00:06:43,029 --> 00:06:45,031 It's "psychopath." 139 00:06:45,073 --> 00:06:46,992 When you think about psychopaths, do you think of this? 140 00:06:50,453 --> 00:06:51,913 Or this? 141 00:06:51,955 --> 00:06:53,748 More on this guy in a minute. 142 00:06:53,790 --> 00:06:57,669 Author Jon Ronson has literally written the book 143 00:06:57,711 --> 00:07:01,131 on the connection between sychopaths and business. 144 00:07:01,173 --> 00:07:04,384 So I'm meeting him at a fancy bespoke suit shop, 145 00:07:04,426 --> 00:07:06,052 the kind of place that he says 146 00:07:06,094 --> 00:07:08,305 is a psychopath's natural habitat. 147 00:07:12,184 --> 00:07:14,102 - [Jon] So have you come to have your suit fitted? 148 00:07:14,144 --> 00:07:16,188 - I'm told this is what psychopaths do. 149 00:07:16,229 --> 00:07:19,900 - This is what I am-- - I'm here to figure it out. 150 00:07:19,941 --> 00:07:22,194 - There's a couple of weird quirks about people 151 00:07:22,235 --> 00:07:23,862 who score high on the psychopath checklist. 152 00:07:23,904 --> 00:07:26,907 One is that they really like to wear suits, 153 00:07:26,948 --> 00:07:29,492 like really good, fancy suits. 154 00:07:29,534 --> 00:07:31,286 - So you wanna measure my body. 155 00:07:31,328 --> 00:07:32,746 - Well, I guess my first question 156 00:07:32,787 --> 00:07:35,916 is do we want to design you a suit 157 00:07:35,957 --> 00:07:39,586 that maybe fits the profile of Jon's ideal psychopath? 158 00:07:39,628 --> 00:07:41,755 - Oh, hell yeah. - [Leonard] 'Cause I have some good ideas for that. 159 00:07:41,796 --> 00:07:43,381 - Oh, yeah. - Yes, absolutely, show me a psychopath suit. 160 00:07:43,423 --> 00:07:46,509 - Maybe we could line the suit with this-- 161 00:07:46,551 --> 00:07:50,180 - [Jon] Whoa! Look at that. - [Kal] What? 162 00:07:50,222 --> 00:07:52,974 - [Leonard] Those are very predatory. - [Kal] That is awesome. 163 00:07:53,016 --> 00:07:55,852 - The predatory animals is like a real thing. 164 00:07:55,894 --> 00:07:57,187 Like high-scoring proper psychopaths, 165 00:07:57,229 --> 00:07:58,688 they love predatory animals 166 00:07:58,730 --> 00:08:00,899 because they see themselves as predators 167 00:08:00,941 --> 00:08:04,486 going through the world, destroying these weaker creatures. 168 00:08:04,527 --> 00:08:06,905 - [Kal] That sounds about right. 169 00:08:06,947 --> 00:08:08,865 Can you tell me what are the things 170 00:08:08,907 --> 00:08:10,951 that signify that you're a psychopath? 171 00:08:10,992 --> 00:08:13,036 - Okay, well, it's a 20-point checklist 172 00:08:13,078 --> 00:08:15,247 designed by a clinician. 173 00:08:15,288 --> 00:08:17,832 His name is Robert Hare. 174 00:08:17,874 --> 00:08:20,627 He was a prison psychologist in Canada in the 1970s. 175 00:08:20,669 --> 00:08:21,836 - His name was Robert Hare? 176 00:08:21,878 --> 00:08:23,505 - Yeah. - [Kal] Okay. 177 00:08:23,546 --> 00:08:26,258 - The checklist is all about the kind of subtleties 178 00:08:26,299 --> 00:08:30,178 and nuances of psychopathic ehavior: superficial charm, 179 00:08:30,220 --> 00:08:34,432 grandiosity, lack of remorse, lack of empathy. 180 00:08:34,474 --> 00:08:36,476 But of course, any one of these things 181 00:08:36,518 --> 00:08:38,270 doesn't define you as being psychopathic. 182 00:08:38,311 --> 00:08:40,313 - It's the collection. - Yes, the cluster. 183 00:08:40,355 --> 00:08:41,856 - So I really wanted to talk to you 184 00:08:41,898 --> 00:08:43,692 because I'm curious about this idea. 185 00:08:43,733 --> 00:08:46,236 Do dicks become rich? 186 00:08:46,278 --> 00:08:48,196 Are rich people automatically dicks? 187 00:08:48,238 --> 00:08:50,365 If you're good at business, does that have some correlation 188 00:08:50,407 --> 00:08:52,826 to you being either a dick or a psychopath? 189 00:08:52,867 --> 00:08:55,912 - Well, the first thing I'd say is like being a psychopath 190 00:08:55,954 --> 00:08:58,707 and being a dick aren't exactly the same thing. 191 00:08:58,748 --> 00:09:03,837 I think psychopathy is a very particular clinical sort of dickishness. 192 00:09:03,878 --> 00:09:05,797 But Robert had said to me that he regretted 193 00:09:05,839 --> 00:09:08,300 spending his life in prisons, 194 00:09:08,341 --> 00:09:10,093 because he should have spent more time in boardrooms. 195 00:09:10,135 --> 00:09:13,263 - Whoa. - Because he has come up with the figure 196 00:09:13,305 --> 00:09:15,598 that 1% of the general public is a psychopath, 197 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:20,186 but that figure rises to 4% of CEOs and business leaders. 198 00:09:21,354 --> 00:09:23,189 - In the psychopath test, 199 00:09:23,231 --> 00:09:27,610 Ronson profiled former Sunbeam CEO, Al J. Dunlap, 200 00:09:27,652 --> 00:09:32,157 who did so much downsizing, people called him Chainsaw Al. 201 00:09:32,198 --> 00:09:35,702 Al fired people by the thousands, allegedly told his ex-wife 202 00:09:35,744 --> 00:09:37,579 he wanted to taste human flesh, 203 00:09:37,620 --> 00:09:39,372 skipped both his parents' funerals, 204 00:09:39,414 --> 00:09:43,376 and made millions of dollars for shareholders. 205 00:09:43,418 --> 00:09:46,629 He also loved the jungle motif. 206 00:09:46,671 --> 00:09:49,382 Does that mean you have an innate ability to be a dick, 207 00:09:49,424 --> 00:09:51,760 and that's why you succeed? 208 00:09:51,801 --> 00:09:54,596 Well, I think if you're a real proper 209 00:09:54,637 --> 00:09:56,765 high-scoring psychopath and you've got no empathy, 210 00:09:56,806 --> 00:09:59,851 what do you fill that gap with? 211 00:09:59,893 --> 00:10:03,396 And what you fill it with is ruthlessness, the will to win, 212 00:10:03,438 --> 00:10:07,150 the need to see yourself as a kind of predator, 213 00:10:07,192 --> 00:10:09,402 exploiting weaknesses in other people. 214 00:10:09,444 --> 00:10:10,820 And in business, of course, 215 00:10:10,862 --> 00:10:13,365 winning means getting to the top. 216 00:10:13,406 --> 00:10:16,117 But also, I think shareholders, 217 00:10:16,159 --> 00:10:18,787 capitalism, at its most remorseless, 218 00:10:18,828 --> 00:10:20,997 rewards psychopathic character traits. 219 00:10:21,039 --> 00:10:23,166 It rewards a ruthlessness. 220 00:10:23,208 --> 00:10:26,419 It rewards lack of empathy, lack of remorse, 221 00:10:26,461 --> 00:10:29,214 superficial charm, grandiosity. 222 00:10:29,255 --> 00:10:32,842 So I do think there's truth to Robert Hare's theory 223 00:10:32,884 --> 00:10:35,595 that you're much more likely to find a psychopath 224 00:10:35,637 --> 00:10:38,556 at the top of the money ladder than at the bottom. 225 00:10:38,598 --> 00:10:40,225 - After a lifetime of research, his one regret, 226 00:10:40,266 --> 00:10:41,726 you're saying, is that he wished he had spent 227 00:10:41,768 --> 00:10:43,478 - more time in boardrooms? - [Jon] Yeah. 228 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:45,397 - Because of the impact that business has on people? 229 00:10:45,438 --> 00:10:46,773 - Yeah. 230 00:10:46,815 --> 00:10:48,233 You know, serial killers are gonna destroy 231 00:10:48,274 --> 00:10:50,318 - a finite number of lives. - Yeah. 232 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:55,657 - Whereas a president or a CEO can remold society. 233 00:10:57,617 --> 00:11:00,620 - [Kal] If capitalism rewards dicks, isn't that a bad thing? 234 00:11:00,662 --> 00:11:02,664 - Cheers. - Hey, cheers, Kal. 235 00:11:02,705 --> 00:11:04,582 - [Kal] Who thought up this crappy system, 236 00:11:04,624 --> 00:11:07,836 and why are we all on board with it? 237 00:11:07,877 --> 00:11:09,879 - [Violet] Who's Adam Smith? 238 00:11:09,921 --> 00:11:11,297 - Oh, he's a famous economist. 239 00:11:11,339 --> 00:11:14,551 He's the godfather of capitalism. 240 00:11:14,592 --> 00:11:16,177 - Balloons! 241 00:11:16,219 --> 00:11:18,138 Balloons. Get your balloons. 242 00:11:18,179 --> 00:11:21,307 - I'll take a balloon. - Five bucks. 243 00:11:21,349 --> 00:11:23,143 - That seems a bit high for a plain single balloon. 244 00:11:23,184 --> 00:11:25,812 - Oh, does it seem like a bit much for a plain single balloon? 245 00:11:25,854 --> 00:11:28,064 Well, guess what. No one else is selling balloons. 246 00:11:28,106 --> 00:11:30,900 -Take it or leave it. - Fine. 247 00:11:30,942 --> 00:11:34,237 - Have a balloon-errific day. - Dick. 248 00:11:34,279 --> 00:11:37,490 - [Balloon Vendor] Sucker. - (balloon pops) 249 00:11:37,532 --> 00:11:40,535 - Damn thing broke. - No refunds. 250 00:11:41,995 --> 00:11:44,038 Move on. 251 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:47,417 - Balloons here! $4! 252 00:11:47,459 --> 00:11:49,669 - All the colors of the rainbow. - Motherfucker. 253 00:11:49,711 --> 00:11:53,381 - Brighten up your day with a colorful balloon! 254 00:11:53,423 --> 00:11:55,675 - Violet, look at this. Adam Smith's about to avenge us. 255 00:11:55,717 --> 00:11:58,344 That dick overcharged me for a bad product 256 00:11:58,386 --> 00:12:00,763 out of greed and self interest, 257 00:12:00,805 --> 00:12:03,475 but the park has let another dick into the market. 258 00:12:03,516 --> 00:12:06,352 - Balloons here, $4! 259 00:12:06,394 --> 00:12:08,229 - Now the customer has the freedom of choice. 260 00:12:08,271 --> 00:12:11,774 - I see you have a taste for the finer things. 261 00:12:11,816 --> 00:12:14,235 - Balloon animals here! Fierce animals! 262 00:12:14,277 --> 00:12:17,697 - 3.99. - [Old Man] You see that? 263 00:12:17,739 --> 00:12:19,782 Now, that's innovation. 264 00:12:21,201 --> 00:12:22,911 - Oh, your balloon popped? 265 00:12:22,952 --> 00:12:26,206 Well, I care about my customers. 266 00:12:26,247 --> 00:12:29,876 - Here you go. - [Old Man] Aha! 267 00:12:29,918 --> 00:12:32,086 Once he could lose revenue by selling a flimsy product, 268 00:12:32,128 --> 00:12:33,421 it was in his self interest 269 00:12:33,463 --> 00:12:35,507 to create something more reliable. 270 00:12:35,548 --> 00:12:37,258 - Personalized balloons. 271 00:12:37,300 --> 00:12:39,761 Your face on your own colorful balloon! 272 00:12:39,802 --> 00:12:43,348 - Why be on a balloon when you can be in a balloon skirt? 273 00:12:43,389 --> 00:12:45,391 - Lollipop with purchase. - Face paint. 274 00:12:45,433 --> 00:12:48,102 - Locally sourced string. - Conflict-free helium. 275 00:12:48,144 --> 00:12:50,230 - Organic air! - [Balloon Vendor] Charlatan! 276 00:12:50,271 --> 00:12:52,190 - Simpleton! - That liar! 277 00:12:57,612 --> 00:13:00,782 - Well, assholes, now that they learned to provide quality 278 00:13:00,823 --> 00:13:03,451 to their customers and still make a profit, it looks like 279 00:13:03,493 --> 00:13:06,162 capitalism has straightened the two of you out. 280 00:13:06,204 --> 00:13:08,456 - Yeah, straightened us out all the way to the bank. 281 00:13:08,498 --> 00:13:11,668 - Yeah, we still made fat stacks, chump. 282 00:13:13,169 --> 00:13:14,587 - [KAL] I think I'm starting to get it. 283 00:13:14,629 --> 00:13:16,548 Excuse me. 284 00:13:16,589 --> 00:13:19,551 A capitalist structure channels the power of dick energy. 285 00:13:19,592 --> 00:13:21,594 - Excuse me. - Just a second, man. 286 00:13:21,636 --> 00:13:25,682 - And can actually help us all get better goods and services. 287 00:13:26,849 --> 00:13:28,851 Take Thomas Edison. 288 00:13:28,893 --> 00:13:30,853 In his race to beat George Westinghouse and electrify 289 00:13:30,895 --> 00:13:35,608 the nation, he publicly electrocuted an elephant. 290 00:13:35,650 --> 00:13:38,111 Sounds like something a psychopath would do. 291 00:13:38,152 --> 00:13:42,865 But even now, Edison bulbs are the gold standard of hipness. 292 00:13:42,907 --> 00:13:44,867 Excuse me. 293 00:13:46,494 --> 00:13:47,996 Excuse me. 294 00:13:49,956 --> 00:13:53,710 Or take Henry Ford, a stone cold antisemitic asshole. 295 00:13:53,751 --> 00:13:56,379 But in his quest to put a Model T in every garage 296 00:13:56,421 --> 00:13:59,882 in America, he revolutionized assembly line manufacturing, 297 00:13:59,924 --> 00:14:04,804 improving millions of lives for the next 100 years. 298 00:14:04,846 --> 00:14:06,139 - Can I get a beer? 299 00:14:06,180 --> 00:14:07,140 - Can I get you another one? 300 00:14:07,181 --> 00:14:08,850 Yeah, of course, absolutely. 301 00:14:10,518 --> 00:14:12,895 - Hey, fuck face! 302 00:14:14,314 --> 00:14:16,274 - Sorry, sir. How can I help? 303 00:14:16,316 --> 00:14:18,109 - [Kal] Maybe we should all be dicks. 304 00:14:18,151 --> 00:14:19,444 It seems to get things done. 305 00:14:19,485 --> 00:14:21,070 Dickishness... side effects may include 306 00:14:21,112 --> 00:14:22,655 electrocuting an elephant, filming your hike 307 00:14:22,697 --> 00:14:24,449 into a suicide forest, tweeting a picture of your dick, 308 00:14:24,490 --> 00:14:26,075 comparing a government official to an ape, 309 00:14:26,117 --> 00:14:27,910 implying slavery was a choice, driving drunk 310 00:14:27,952 --> 00:14:29,746 and blaming all wars on Jews, jerking off into a plant, 311 00:14:29,787 --> 00:14:31,247 price-gouging people who need life-sustaining medication, 312 00:14:31,289 --> 00:14:33,207 throwing a hotel phone at a concierge. 313 00:14:36,419 --> 00:14:40,089 Rich dicks seem like a breed apart, but can anyone, 314 00:14:40,131 --> 00:14:44,218 even a nice guy like me, potentially learn their ways. 315 00:14:44,260 --> 00:14:46,262 This rich dick says yes. 316 00:14:48,681 --> 00:14:52,435 Gary Vaynerchuk earned an estimated $160 million 317 00:14:52,477 --> 00:14:54,520 by being one of the first people 318 00:14:54,562 --> 00:14:58,900 to tap into the internet's desire for mail-order booze. 319 00:14:58,941 --> 00:15:01,069 - I'm on a one-man mission to create 320 00:15:01,110 --> 00:15:03,988 the greatest wine club in America, maybe the world. 321 00:15:04,030 --> 00:15:05,907 - [Kal] As well as a digital ad agency. 322 00:15:05,948 --> 00:15:07,367 - I've completely crushed it. 323 00:15:07,408 --> 00:15:09,327 A bunch of client meetings for VaynerMedia. 324 00:15:09,369 --> 00:15:11,329 I've been focused as fuck, nothing super glamorous, 325 00:15:11,371 --> 00:15:14,248 no keynotes, no fucking selfies on the street, 326 00:15:14,290 --> 00:15:17,085 just fucking CEO life, trying to get it. 327 00:15:17,126 --> 00:15:21,214 - [Kal] His no excuses, no holds barred business lessons 328 00:15:21,255 --> 00:15:24,676 have earned him plenty of rabid followers. 329 00:15:26,469 --> 00:15:28,846 But also some other responses. 330 00:15:31,891 --> 00:15:33,851 I'm excited to hear his secrets to success. 331 00:15:33,893 --> 00:15:35,812 - I mean that's on them. 332 00:15:35,853 --> 00:15:37,522 - [Kal] Just as soon as he finishes dictating 333 00:15:37,563 --> 00:15:39,399 this important message. 334 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:41,693 - You can tell them there's nothing to talk about. 335 00:15:41,734 --> 00:15:43,277 I'm 100% not doing it. 336 00:15:43,319 --> 00:15:45,279 Call them right back and tell them I looked 337 00:15:45,321 --> 00:15:47,615 in your dead fucking face and said 100.00. 338 00:15:47,657 --> 00:15:49,826 The likelihood of them convincing me doing it 339 00:15:49,867 --> 00:15:53,871 is the likelihood of me becoming a Patriots fan. 340 00:15:53,913 --> 00:15:54,914 - Give them that quote. - Yes, sir. 341 00:15:54,956 --> 00:15:55,998 Cool. 342 00:15:58,126 --> 00:16:00,128 - [Kal] Are there people who think you're an asshole? 343 00:16:00,169 --> 00:16:02,964 - I'm sure. I curse a lot, so that's not good-- 344 00:16:03,005 --> 00:16:04,590 -(Kal laughs) -...you know, to a lot of people. 345 00:16:04,632 --> 00:16:06,426 - I mean, sure. 346 00:16:06,467 --> 00:16:08,428 - I'm a Jersey kid, so it comes with a lot of-- 347 00:16:08,469 --> 00:16:10,430 - Don't you hate on us. - [Gary] I'm a Jersey kid. 348 00:16:10,471 --> 00:16:14,684 - And also, I come off with a ton of bravado and confidence, AKA ego. 349 00:16:14,726 --> 00:16:16,936 So the answer is of course, 350 00:16:16,978 --> 00:16:20,648 and then I really enjoy the process of winning them over 351 00:16:20,690 --> 00:16:23,109 in the course of my life. 352 00:16:23,151 --> 00:16:25,611 - We're talking about whether you have to be ruthless 353 00:16:25,653 --> 00:16:27,488 in business and whether there are personal traits 354 00:16:27,530 --> 00:16:29,991 and character traits that drive the ability to be, 355 00:16:30,032 --> 00:16:32,201 a, successful in business, but b, rich. 356 00:16:32,243 --> 00:16:34,829 - Business to me is sports. - Okay. 357 00:16:34,871 --> 00:16:37,915 - Do you need to be ruthless? Sure, at times. 358 00:16:37,957 --> 00:16:41,002 You know, at times, do you need to trip somebody 359 00:16:41,043 --> 00:16:43,004 in an important playoff game 360 00:16:43,045 --> 00:16:45,006 to find that slight angle that you're looking for? 361 00:16:45,047 --> 00:16:46,799 - Probably. - Yeah. 362 00:16:46,841 --> 00:16:50,720 - And in sports, it's crafty, clever, right? 363 00:16:50,762 --> 00:16:52,638 It's not frowned upon. 364 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:53,931 And I think in a business, at some level, 365 00:16:53,973 --> 00:16:55,600 that happens as well. 366 00:16:55,641 --> 00:16:57,518 You know, sharp elbow doesn't hurt. 367 00:16:57,560 --> 00:16:59,437 I also think being an immigrant 368 00:16:59,479 --> 00:17:01,856 and having nothing and having ridiculously awesome parents 369 00:17:01,898 --> 00:17:03,274 really worked out for me. 370 00:17:03,316 --> 00:17:07,028 90% of parents teach their kids defense. 371 00:17:07,069 --> 00:17:08,988 My parents taught me offense. 372 00:17:09,030 --> 00:17:10,490 My environment taught me offense. 373 00:17:10,531 --> 00:17:12,992 My circumstance created not too many options. 374 00:17:13,034 --> 00:17:15,244 I have a report card hanging up there of Ds and Fs. 375 00:17:15,286 --> 00:17:17,371 I had to go offense. 376 00:17:17,413 --> 00:17:19,373 That's why I love entrepreneurship and business. 377 00:17:19,415 --> 00:17:23,044 A purebred businessman and woman want merit. 378 00:17:23,085 --> 00:17:25,129 Capitalism is awesome. 379 00:17:26,506 --> 00:17:28,341 Just own it. 380 00:17:28,382 --> 00:17:30,218 The people that I really shit on 381 00:17:30,259 --> 00:17:32,595 are the people that won in their business 382 00:17:32,637 --> 00:17:34,388 and then get to an age where they're tired, 383 00:17:34,430 --> 00:17:37,141 and then try to use their money to manipulate the game. 384 00:17:37,183 --> 00:17:39,894 - Give me examples of people who do this 385 00:17:39,936 --> 00:17:41,729 that you're talking about that sucks. 386 00:17:41,771 --> 00:17:43,898 - Most old wealthy people. 387 00:17:43,940 --> 00:17:45,858 (laughs) 388 00:17:45,900 --> 00:17:48,194 In sports, it's a great Hall of Fame player 389 00:17:48,236 --> 00:17:51,030 has some scrub pass him on a play, 390 00:17:51,072 --> 00:17:55,034 and he or she realizes, "Uh-oh, it's time to hang it up." 391 00:17:55,076 --> 00:17:57,870 But in business, what people do is when they're tired 392 00:17:57,912 --> 00:17:59,956 and they just wanna be on their yacht, 393 00:17:59,997 --> 00:18:02,667 they try to use the money to change the rules of the game. 394 00:18:02,708 --> 00:18:05,169 To me, that's the ultimate loser play. 395 00:18:05,211 --> 00:18:08,714 - Okay. - If you're such a capitalist, 396 00:18:08,756 --> 00:18:10,800 then you let the merit of the game play out. 397 00:18:10,842 --> 00:18:13,094 Magic Johnson, Kobe, Shaq, 398 00:18:13,135 --> 00:18:15,304 they don't get to go to the Commissioner and say, 399 00:18:15,346 --> 00:18:17,932 "You know, now, one foul and you foul out. 400 00:18:17,974 --> 00:18:19,767 "Let me give you some money." 401 00:18:19,809 --> 00:18:21,561 But that's what a lot of business people try to do, 402 00:18:21,602 --> 00:18:22,812 and it devastates me. 403 00:18:25,982 --> 00:18:27,650 - [Kal] I came in here expecting Gary to teach me 404 00:18:27,692 --> 00:18:31,904 how to be a dick, but he seems pretty reasonable. 405 00:18:31,946 --> 00:18:34,073 - Nice save. - [Kal] Just really competitive. 406 00:18:35,950 --> 00:18:37,785 - See that? You guys catch that? 407 00:18:37,827 --> 00:18:39,787 That was some badass shit right there. 408 00:18:39,829 --> 00:18:42,456 - I hope you guys caught that. - And now, he's got me worried 409 00:18:42,498 --> 00:18:46,294 about a whole new set of dicks, people who make their money 410 00:18:46,335 --> 00:18:48,963 and then change the rules to prevent fair competition. 411 00:18:49,005 --> 00:18:51,382 Fuck! 412 00:18:51,424 --> 00:18:54,343 In sports, you'd say that's fixing the game. 413 00:18:54,385 --> 00:18:57,346 It's seven-zero, just so everybody knows. 414 00:18:57,388 --> 00:19:00,600 But is there a name for this kind of dick move in business? 415 00:19:03,436 --> 00:19:05,813 - Yeah, it's called rent seeking, 416 00:19:05,855 --> 00:19:09,567 not to be confused with what my landlord does on a monthly basis in vain. 417 00:19:09,609 --> 00:19:11,277 It's what Adam Smith says 418 00:19:11,319 --> 00:19:13,779 a properly functioning system should prevent. 419 00:19:13,821 --> 00:19:16,115 Welcome to Dick's. How many today? 420 00:19:16,157 --> 00:19:18,701 - Two, please. - Mmm, okay. 421 00:19:18,743 --> 00:19:20,494 I'm gonna have to give you one of these buzzers. 422 00:19:20,536 --> 00:19:22,955 And your table should be ready in two to four hours. 423 00:19:25,041 --> 00:19:27,168 - You know, that's okay. We're in kind of a hurry. 424 00:19:27,209 --> 00:19:30,129 We'll just grab lunch from a food truck or something. 425 00:19:30,171 --> 00:19:31,547 - Okay, but have you not heard? 426 00:19:31,589 --> 00:19:33,549 Food trucks are prohibited in the state. 427 00:19:33,591 --> 00:19:36,260 Yeah, they're unsanitary and bad for the environment. 428 00:19:36,302 --> 00:19:38,179 - Really? - No. 429 00:19:38,220 --> 00:19:40,640 But that's what we said publicly. (chuckles) 430 00:19:40,681 --> 00:19:42,767 Really, we just don't want competition. 431 00:19:42,808 --> 00:19:46,187 So our owner, Dick, lobbied to have them banned. 432 00:19:46,228 --> 00:19:48,773 - Let's just go to Richard's across the street. 433 00:19:48,814 --> 00:19:50,733 - You're more than welcome to do that, 434 00:19:50,775 --> 00:19:52,818 but just know that we have acquired 435 00:19:52,860 --> 00:19:56,072 the Richard's restaurant chain in a merger. 436 00:19:56,113 --> 00:19:58,783 We own all the restaurants in a 50-mile radius. 437 00:19:58,824 --> 00:20:00,618 It's a virtual monopoly. 438 00:20:00,660 --> 00:20:03,245 - So help me, I'll start my own goddamn restaurant. 439 00:20:03,287 --> 00:20:05,414 - That's the spirit! 440 00:20:05,456 --> 00:20:07,959 But, hmm, we have enough money to change the rules. 441 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,628 So in order to start your own restaurant, 442 00:20:10,670 --> 00:20:12,380 you need to have a four-year culinary degree, 443 00:20:12,421 --> 00:20:14,256 win a reality cooking competition, 444 00:20:14,298 --> 00:20:16,300 and earn the Presidential Medal of Freedom. 445 00:20:16,342 --> 00:20:20,262 Creating absurd barriers of entry, whoop-whoop! 446 00:20:20,304 --> 00:20:21,973 (laughs) Classic rent-seeking move. 447 00:20:22,014 --> 00:20:23,307 You know what I'm talking about? 448 00:20:23,349 --> 00:20:25,059 - You know, let's just eat here. 449 00:20:25,101 --> 00:20:26,978 They work so hard to protect their business. 450 00:20:27,019 --> 00:20:28,771 I'm sure they do the same thing with their food. 451 00:20:28,813 --> 00:20:30,398 - Not really. 452 00:20:30,439 --> 00:20:32,525 I mean we don't not want the food to be be good. 453 00:20:32,566 --> 00:20:34,527 We just don't need to. 454 00:20:34,568 --> 00:20:37,321 So while you wait, let's take a look at the seating chart. 455 00:20:37,363 --> 00:20:41,242 For an extra $9, you can pay for an extra space table. 456 00:20:41,283 --> 00:20:43,577 - We don't need any extra special seating. 457 00:20:43,619 --> 00:20:45,997 We'll sit in whatever normal tables you have. 458 00:20:46,038 --> 00:20:47,456 - But with the economy tables, 459 00:20:47,498 --> 00:20:49,959 you may not be able to sit together. 460 00:20:50,001 --> 00:20:52,253 I know, sitting together isn't an innovation 461 00:20:52,294 --> 00:20:55,464 that we created, but we noticed that people like to do that 462 00:20:55,506 --> 00:20:57,633 so we started charging for it. 463 00:20:57,675 --> 00:21:00,094 ♪ Rent-seeking, bitch ♪ 464 00:21:00,136 --> 00:21:01,971 ♪ Ah, ah, ah ♪ 465 00:21:02,013 --> 00:21:04,223 ♪ I got ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh ♪ 466 00:21:04,265 --> 00:21:06,392 ♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh ♪ 467 00:21:06,434 --> 00:21:07,768 ♪ Where's the rent ♪ 468 00:21:07,810 --> 00:21:08,811 ♪ Where's the rent ♪ 469 00:21:08,853 --> 00:21:09,895 ♪ I got your rent ♪ 470 00:21:09,937 --> 00:21:12,606 ♪ Ah, ah, ah, whoo ♪ 471 00:21:15,693 --> 00:21:18,821 - Adam Smith talked a lot about competition and capitalism, 472 00:21:18,863 --> 00:21:20,823 but what happens to the rest of us when rule-changing, 473 00:21:20,865 --> 00:21:24,744 rent-seeking dicks make sure the competition isn't fair? 474 00:21:24,785 --> 00:21:26,787 I can't ask Adam Smith because he's super dead, 475 00:21:26,829 --> 00:21:30,416 so I need to ask another Adam, a guy who isn't afraid 476 00:21:30,458 --> 00:21:35,129 to look the free market right in its cold dead eyes. 477 00:21:35,171 --> 00:21:37,256 (heavy metal music) 478 00:21:37,298 --> 00:21:40,426 The overlord of Planet Money, 479 00:21:40,468 --> 00:21:42,595 the bad SOB at NPR, 480 00:21:43,679 --> 00:21:46,307 the Conde Nast-iest. 481 00:21:46,348 --> 00:21:47,558 He'll steal your lunch money 482 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,685 to teach you about fiat currency. 483 00:21:49,727 --> 00:21:52,772 He's a producer on this show, 484 00:21:52,813 --> 00:21:56,400 New Yorker writer, Adam Davidson. 485 00:21:56,442 --> 00:21:58,402 - A good way to know if an industry is overcome 486 00:21:58,444 --> 00:22:02,239 with rent seeking is do you hate that industry. 487 00:22:02,281 --> 00:22:05,409 Are you really mad at that industry? 488 00:22:05,451 --> 00:22:07,411 So what industry are you most mad at? 489 00:22:07,453 --> 00:22:08,954 - I mean I can think of two off the top of my head, 490 00:22:08,996 --> 00:22:11,165 airlines and cellphone companies. 491 00:22:11,207 --> 00:22:12,541 - Yeah, well, those are a great example. 492 00:22:12,583 --> 00:22:14,543 - They're both terrible. - Yeah. 493 00:22:14,585 --> 00:22:16,712 - But both have competition, so why are they so terrible? 494 00:22:16,754 --> 00:22:19,423 - They have limited competition, but they're still rent-seeking. 495 00:22:19,465 --> 00:22:21,675 With cellphone companies, 496 00:22:21,717 --> 00:22:24,637 there were auctions over bandwidth, 497 00:22:24,678 --> 00:22:28,849 and only a handful were able to get that bandwidth. 498 00:22:28,891 --> 00:22:31,393 You and I can't just start a cellphone company 499 00:22:31,435 --> 00:22:33,312 and just start grabbing bandwidth. 500 00:22:33,354 --> 00:22:36,232 - [Kal] So basically, because only a few cellphone companies 501 00:22:36,273 --> 00:22:38,025 control all the bandwidth, 502 00:22:38,067 --> 00:22:39,443 they can give you terrible customer service? 503 00:22:39,485 --> 00:22:40,986 - [Adam] Yeah. - Okay. 504 00:22:41,028 --> 00:22:43,364 - When you call them, the wait time, 505 00:22:43,405 --> 00:22:46,617 the sort of attitude, it's really clear. 506 00:22:46,659 --> 00:22:48,869 They are not fighting for your business. 507 00:22:48,911 --> 00:22:51,163 - Yeah. - Now airlines, 508 00:22:51,205 --> 00:22:53,415 it's an extremely regulated industry, 509 00:22:53,457 --> 00:22:58,087 of course, and unbelievable costs to get into it. 510 00:22:58,129 --> 00:23:01,507 You have to spend a huge fortune on airplanes and other things. 511 00:23:01,549 --> 00:23:07,930 And then you get control over routes and berths at airports. 512 00:23:07,972 --> 00:23:10,391 - [Kal] So if I wanna get from point A to point B, 513 00:23:10,432 --> 00:23:13,018 there are only a few choices, and they're all terrible, right? 514 00:23:13,060 --> 00:23:14,687 - [Adam] Yeah. - Yeah. 515 00:23:14,728 --> 00:23:16,605 - They're able to make demands on you, 516 00:23:16,647 --> 00:23:19,942 that they probably wouldn't be if there was more competition. 517 00:23:19,984 --> 00:23:24,071 So the biggest dicks, in a sense, the people who are having 518 00:23:24,113 --> 00:23:26,866 the worst impact on our society, in my mind, 519 00:23:26,907 --> 00:23:29,326 would be corporations that control 520 00:23:29,368 --> 00:23:32,413 some vital resource and prevent new people 521 00:23:32,454 --> 00:23:35,499 from entering the industry and competing with them, 522 00:23:35,541 --> 00:23:38,919 which means there's not enough of an incentive to really 523 00:23:38,961 --> 00:23:41,422 create better products and services to get business. 524 00:23:41,463 --> 00:23:43,966 And in the long run, that's very damaging to all of us. 525 00:23:44,008 --> 00:23:46,969 - The American economy has its share 526 00:23:47,011 --> 00:23:49,263 of game-rigging rent-seeking industries, 527 00:23:49,305 --> 00:23:52,099 but there are some places around the world 528 00:23:52,141 --> 00:23:55,811 where rent seeking isn't just allowed, it's mandatory. 529 00:23:55,853 --> 00:23:58,147 In other words, what if a country 530 00:23:58,189 --> 00:24:01,275 wrote rent-seeking policies into law? 531 00:24:08,991 --> 00:24:11,452 Over the last 30 years, Dubai has risen 532 00:24:11,493 --> 00:24:14,455 from a small oil state to become the UAE's 533 00:24:14,496 --> 00:24:18,083 glittering international business hub where reality 534 00:24:18,125 --> 00:24:22,379 can conform to whatever you desire or can afford. 535 00:24:27,218 --> 00:24:28,928 I'm meeting with Ibrahim Baloushi, 536 00:24:28,969 --> 00:24:30,554 one of the few Emirati business people 537 00:24:30,596 --> 00:24:32,348 willing to speak with me. 538 00:24:32,389 --> 00:24:33,891 Ibrahim makes his money 539 00:24:33,933 --> 00:24:36,393 off a common type of law that places limits 540 00:24:36,435 --> 00:24:39,480 on direct foreign ownership of corporations. 541 00:24:39,521 --> 00:24:42,066 Here in Dubai, a small segment of the population 542 00:24:42,107 --> 00:24:44,235 uses this state-sponsored rent-seeking 543 00:24:44,276 --> 00:24:47,071 as a way to get crazy stupid rich. 544 00:24:49,573 --> 00:24:51,784 Can you tell me about your company and what you do? 545 00:24:51,825 --> 00:24:54,286 - I have a business setup company, so basically 546 00:24:54,328 --> 00:24:57,539 if anyone wants to come in Dubai and do business, 547 00:24:57,581 --> 00:24:59,833 we can get their visas, their procedure, 548 00:24:59,875 --> 00:25:01,210 their license, office, 549 00:25:01,252 --> 00:25:03,629 all set up, we provide them completely. 550 00:25:03,671 --> 00:25:05,547 And if you want a license with this, 551 00:25:05,589 --> 00:25:07,925 you must need a local sponsor. 552 00:25:07,967 --> 00:25:11,011 So the UAE national has a 51 percent share, 553 00:25:11,053 --> 00:25:13,639 and 49 for the non-UAE national. 554 00:25:13,681 --> 00:25:15,140 But the non-UAE national is 555 00:25:15,182 --> 00:25:18,394 fully authorized to run the business. 556 00:25:18,435 --> 00:25:21,605 - Okay. So it's 51%, but it's not a controlling interest somehow? 557 00:25:21,647 --> 00:25:23,232 - I mean, it is on paper 558 00:25:23,274 --> 00:25:25,276 but it's not like the Emirati national is 559 00:25:25,317 --> 00:25:28,195 taking the shares under their control. 560 00:25:28,237 --> 00:25:31,198 He's only getting a sponsor fee annually, that's it. 561 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,326 - What's the annual fees? - It might be 15,000, or 20,000, or 25,000 dirhams. 562 00:25:34,368 --> 00:25:36,287 That's it. 563 00:25:36,328 --> 00:25:39,456 This is only designed to help locals, 564 00:25:39,498 --> 00:25:41,375 to support locals by the government, 565 00:25:41,417 --> 00:25:42,960 to support the economy, 566 00:25:43,002 --> 00:25:45,004 to have some money for them also. 567 00:25:45,045 --> 00:25:48,215 This is a small country and a good economy, 568 00:25:48,257 --> 00:25:50,592 and they have money to look after their own people. 569 00:25:50,634 --> 00:25:52,720 Because mostly the local people, they don't prefer 570 00:25:52,761 --> 00:25:55,472 to enroll in business because they don't like it. 571 00:25:55,514 --> 00:25:57,308 Okay, they are getting their annual fees. 572 00:25:57,349 --> 00:25:58,976 - Is that an income? 573 00:25:59,018 --> 00:26:02,062 Can you make a living by getting annual fees from, like, 574 00:26:02,104 --> 00:26:04,440 - a number of companies? - Yes, yes, yes. It is. 575 00:26:04,481 --> 00:26:06,692 - So if you're business savvy and you like, you want to-- 576 00:26:06,734 --> 00:26:09,111 - I know some people, they have 60, 70 companies as sponsorships. 577 00:26:09,153 --> 00:26:10,612 - Really? - So imagine. 578 00:26:10,654 --> 00:26:12,281 If 20,000 for each, 579 00:26:12,323 --> 00:26:14,325 - how much am I making? - Oh, man. 580 00:26:14,366 --> 00:26:16,243 - 1.5 million just sitting and signing paper every year. 581 00:26:16,285 --> 00:26:18,120 - That's it. - And you don't have to. 582 00:26:18,162 --> 00:26:19,496 - No, no, no. Nothing to do. 583 00:26:19,538 --> 00:26:20,789 Okay, come on, you don't have to do anything, 584 00:26:20,831 --> 00:26:21,790 you will be getting this money. 585 00:26:21,832 --> 00:26:22,958 So what else do you want? 586 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:24,668 - Oh, that's cool. 587 00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:27,379 But you know what's not cool? 588 00:26:27,421 --> 00:26:30,799 Indentured servitude. Whoa, that got heavy fast. 589 00:26:30,841 --> 00:26:32,718 But I'm talking about another way 590 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,261 rent seeking plays out in Dubai. 591 00:26:34,303 --> 00:26:37,681 In addition to the 51/49 rule, 592 00:26:37,723 --> 00:26:40,392 the country extracts rent from a captive audience 593 00:26:40,434 --> 00:26:42,770 of over eight million migrant workers. 594 00:26:44,563 --> 00:26:46,440 - On the right side is the City Center, 595 00:26:46,482 --> 00:26:48,692 one of the shopping centers in Dubai. 596 00:26:48,734 --> 00:26:52,237 We have more than 80 shopping centers in Dubai. 597 00:26:52,279 --> 00:26:54,573 And that's why it's called DO BUY. 598 00:26:54,615 --> 00:26:56,533 (Kal laughs) 599 00:26:56,575 --> 00:26:59,620 - [Kal] Mohammad Yaqoob, who just goes by Yaqoob, 600 00:26:59,661 --> 00:27:03,248 is a local driver who knows all the sites around town. 601 00:27:03,290 --> 00:27:04,583 - So here is the gold market 602 00:27:04,625 --> 00:27:06,627 which has more than 300 gold stores, 603 00:27:06,668 --> 00:27:08,670 dried fruits, chocolates, dates. 604 00:27:08,712 --> 00:27:09,963 It's an open market. 605 00:27:10,005 --> 00:27:11,548 You can bargain around. 606 00:27:11,590 --> 00:27:13,342 Because some people, they love bargaining. 607 00:27:13,384 --> 00:27:17,096 - [Kal] He's also been a victim of Dubai's rent-seeking economy. 608 00:27:18,263 --> 00:27:20,641 So this is my house. 609 00:27:20,682 --> 00:27:22,309 We are living with all my friends. 610 00:27:22,351 --> 00:27:23,769 - [Kal] Nice. - So please, welcome. 611 00:27:23,811 --> 00:27:24,812 - [Kal] Thank you. 612 00:27:27,147 --> 00:27:28,941 This is a powerful fan. 613 00:27:28,982 --> 00:27:31,985 - Yeah, because we have about 10 people who are living here. 614 00:27:32,027 --> 00:27:34,321 - [Kal] Okay. - So this is my bed. 615 00:27:34,363 --> 00:27:35,614 - Oh, it is? - [Yaqoob] Yeah. 616 00:27:35,656 --> 00:27:37,032 - [Kal] Who snores the loudest? 617 00:27:37,074 --> 00:27:39,118 - Ah, this one! 618 00:27:39,159 --> 00:27:40,536 (both laugh) 619 00:27:42,162 --> 00:27:45,833 - Each and every person cannot afford one room, 620 00:27:45,874 --> 00:27:48,210 because the cost of one room is around 6,000 dirhams. 621 00:27:48,252 --> 00:27:49,670 - [Kal] Oh, wow. 622 00:27:49,711 --> 00:27:51,839 - Which is around about, like, $2,000. - Yeah. 623 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,092 The cost of living is very high here. 624 00:27:55,134 --> 00:27:58,429 - 12 years ago, Yaqoob left Pakistan and came to Dubai, 625 00:27:58,470 --> 00:28:02,182 lured by the promise of a lucrative truck driving job. 626 00:28:02,224 --> 00:28:05,310 While his roommate cooks, Yaqoob tells me about the hurdles 627 00:28:05,352 --> 00:28:08,397 he's faced trying to make a living in Dubai. 628 00:28:08,439 --> 00:28:11,525 When you first came, was it a tourist visa? 629 00:28:11,567 --> 00:28:13,777 - No, actually, I got a visa that was a taxi company. 630 00:28:13,819 --> 00:28:15,112 - Okay. 631 00:28:15,154 --> 00:28:16,947 - The agent over there in Pakistan 632 00:28:16,989 --> 00:28:19,533 promised me I will become a truck driver, 633 00:28:19,575 --> 00:28:20,993 because I was a truck driver in Pakistan. 634 00:28:21,034 --> 00:28:23,620 - Okay. - Truck drivers have good salary, 635 00:28:23,662 --> 00:28:25,956 - like around 7 to 8 thousand dirhams a month. - Wow. 636 00:28:25,998 --> 00:28:29,334 - But when I reached here I find a taxi company. 637 00:28:29,376 --> 00:28:32,463 So then I asked, "No, I'm sorry I cannot work as a taxi driver." 638 00:28:32,504 --> 00:28:34,548 So he said, "You don't have any option." 639 00:28:34,590 --> 00:28:35,716 "Otherwise, you have to go back." 640 00:28:35,757 --> 00:28:38,302 - Could you have gotten another job? 641 00:28:38,343 --> 00:28:40,137 - No, we cannot get another job because 642 00:28:40,179 --> 00:28:43,098 when I got a visa, I have to work only for them. 643 00:28:43,140 --> 00:28:44,683 I cannot work with anybody else. 644 00:28:44,725 --> 00:28:46,768 I have to complete the three years. 645 00:28:46,810 --> 00:28:48,812 If I want to go before three years, 646 00:28:48,854 --> 00:28:51,565 so they will cancel me and they will ban me from the country. 647 00:28:51,607 --> 00:28:55,068 - Whoa! That sounds like you were forced to work 648 00:28:55,110 --> 00:28:56,653 for the taxi company, basically. 649 00:28:56,695 --> 00:28:58,405 - Yeah. 650 00:28:58,447 --> 00:29:00,115 - Because, well, you don't have the money to leave. 651 00:29:00,157 --> 00:29:02,951 Do you have to have a special license to drive a taxi? 652 00:29:02,993 --> 00:29:04,661 And was the license expensive? 653 00:29:04,703 --> 00:29:06,413 - In Dubai, they have paid around 654 00:29:06,455 --> 00:29:09,666 10 to 15, 20 thousand dirhams to get a license only. 655 00:29:09,708 --> 00:29:12,836 - [Kal] Oh, wow. That's like $5,000. - Yeah. 656 00:29:12,878 --> 00:29:16,131 At that time I was only 11 dirhams in my pocket. 657 00:29:16,173 --> 00:29:18,967 So one of my friends, he's given me some money, 658 00:29:19,009 --> 00:29:21,678 I have paid for the license and I got my license. 659 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,724 - Interesting, okay. - So I work for a taxi company for three years. 660 00:29:25,766 --> 00:29:30,646 And after that I started working on my own as a self-employed. 661 00:29:30,687 --> 00:29:32,439 I bought one small car. 662 00:29:32,481 --> 00:29:34,399 Now, God has given me two buses as well. 663 00:29:34,441 --> 00:29:36,735 - Okay. - So I have two drivers they are working for me. 664 00:29:36,777 --> 00:29:38,278 - Oh, nice. 665 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,197 There probably was some point where you said, 666 00:29:40,239 --> 00:29:42,115 "Now I'm done with this three years in the taxi business. 667 00:29:42,157 --> 00:29:43,867 I can go back to truck driving." 668 00:29:43,909 --> 00:29:45,202 - Yeah. - But you didn't do that. 669 00:29:45,244 --> 00:29:46,870 You created a business instead. Why? 670 00:29:46,912 --> 00:29:49,414 - My father, he was always asking me, 671 00:29:49,456 --> 00:29:51,583 "Son, always do business." 672 00:29:51,625 --> 00:29:55,170 "Don't work as a servant." 673 00:29:55,212 --> 00:29:56,797 "And don't beg." 674 00:29:56,838 --> 00:29:59,466 "If you want to beg, beg from Alah, from God." 675 00:29:59,508 --> 00:30:01,051 "So just do business." 676 00:30:01,093 --> 00:30:03,637 - Dads, man. - The parents, they understand. 677 00:30:03,679 --> 00:30:04,721 - (laughs) Exactly. 678 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,434 Yaqoob's hard work has made him a success story, 679 00:30:09,476 --> 00:30:12,563 but he's about to be hit by rent seeking again. 680 00:30:12,604 --> 00:30:14,690 He's in the process of expanding his business, 681 00:30:14,731 --> 00:30:17,025 and that means he'll need to form the required 682 00:30:17,067 --> 00:30:20,529 51/49 partnership with an Emirati local, 683 00:30:20,571 --> 00:30:22,906 essentially subsidizing some rich dick 684 00:30:22,948 --> 00:30:24,992 who probably owns a jet ski. 685 00:30:28,829 --> 00:30:31,999 I'm meeting economist Raimundo Soto, who used to advise 686 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,627 the government of Dubai on economic development. 687 00:30:35,669 --> 00:30:37,879 As an outsider who was once an insider, 688 00:30:37,921 --> 00:30:40,549 he's in a unique position to speak freely about this system 689 00:30:40,591 --> 00:30:42,759 which enables rich dicks to stay rich 690 00:30:42,801 --> 00:30:45,637 and extracts rent from the working poor. 691 00:30:45,679 --> 00:30:51,059 - [Recording] The next station is World Trade Center. 692 00:30:51,101 --> 00:30:54,146 - So the things that happened to the driver that I met, 693 00:30:54,187 --> 00:30:56,565 are these all just human rights issues? 694 00:30:56,607 --> 00:30:59,484 Or are they parts of a rent-seeking conversation? 695 00:30:59,526 --> 00:31:02,362 - Well, of course they are human rights things. - Yeah. 696 00:31:03,655 --> 00:31:07,576 - But your driver that came from Pakistan 697 00:31:07,618 --> 00:31:10,329 under the promise that he was going to be a truck driver, 698 00:31:10,370 --> 00:31:11,747 better paid, probably, 699 00:31:11,788 --> 00:31:13,874 than as a taxi driver, 700 00:31:13,915 --> 00:31:16,251 that allows for rent collection 701 00:31:16,293 --> 00:31:18,629 on the part of the agent or the sponsor. 702 00:31:18,670 --> 00:31:23,300 - How so? - Because suppose that the worker is valuable, 703 00:31:23,342 --> 00:31:26,053 100 dirhams an hour for you, 704 00:31:26,094 --> 00:31:28,388 but you only pay them fifty, 705 00:31:28,430 --> 00:31:29,890 then you're collecting the rest. 706 00:31:29,931 --> 00:31:32,559 And you can do that because the worker cannot 707 00:31:32,601 --> 00:31:35,646 move to another company and collect the higher wage. 708 00:31:35,687 --> 00:31:37,022 That is the rent seeking part of it. 709 00:31:40,275 --> 00:31:42,527 - So in terms of rent seeking itself, 710 00:31:42,569 --> 00:31:45,280 what are the complexities associated with it? 711 00:31:45,322 --> 00:31:46,990 Is it something as simple 712 00:31:47,032 --> 00:31:49,493 as it's either good or bad for an economy? 713 00:31:49,534 --> 00:31:51,912 Or is it more complicated than that? 714 00:31:51,953 --> 00:31:53,955 - Well, what happens is that, if you're a rent seeker, 715 00:31:53,997 --> 00:31:56,917 and you were already collecting a good rent 716 00:31:56,958 --> 00:31:58,919 Then there are very few incentives 717 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:00,879 to become more efficient. 718 00:32:00,921 --> 00:32:02,839 The incentives are to spend any money 719 00:32:02,881 --> 00:32:04,800 in keeping that rent, 720 00:32:04,841 --> 00:32:08,387 and therefore economies get sort of stuck, 721 00:32:08,428 --> 00:32:11,390 because why would you make any effort 722 00:32:11,431 --> 00:32:12,766 of being more efficient 723 00:32:12,808 --> 00:32:15,060 if I'm already collecting money, right? 724 00:32:15,102 --> 00:32:17,979 - So given the challenges associated with rent seeking, 725 00:32:18,021 --> 00:32:20,982 how come the economy seems to be thriving? 726 00:32:21,024 --> 00:32:23,026 How come things are still growing? 727 00:32:23,068 --> 00:32:25,487 - Well, if you look at the growth in Dubai 728 00:32:25,529 --> 00:32:27,364 and the rest of the Emirates 729 00:32:27,406 --> 00:32:29,074 for the last 25 years, 730 00:32:29,116 --> 00:32:31,034 it was growing very fast at the beginning, 731 00:32:31,076 --> 00:32:33,036 but it's been slowing down a lot. 732 00:32:34,371 --> 00:32:37,999 What you see here is basically construction, 733 00:32:38,041 --> 00:32:41,211 tourism, financial services, and some logistics, 734 00:32:41,253 --> 00:32:42,713 the port and the like, right? 735 00:32:43,964 --> 00:32:46,717 But if you look at the exports of Dubai, 736 00:32:46,758 --> 00:32:48,552 you don't see any manufacturing, 737 00:32:48,593 --> 00:32:50,846 you don't see any industry. 738 00:32:50,887 --> 00:32:52,514 No innovation is there, 739 00:32:52,556 --> 00:32:54,349 no new initiatives, no new products, 740 00:32:54,391 --> 00:32:55,976 processes, and the like. 741 00:32:56,017 --> 00:32:58,937 Why would I be creative if I can collect the rent 742 00:32:58,979 --> 00:33:03,692 from the 51/49 or from employing foreigners? 743 00:33:05,277 --> 00:33:08,530 - [Kal] Dubai became prosperous quickly, 744 00:33:08,572 --> 00:33:10,365 but the grand scale rent seeking 745 00:33:10,407 --> 00:33:13,160 that made a small groups of its citizens ultra wealthy 746 00:33:13,201 --> 00:33:16,413 also contributed to a slowdown in economic growth. 747 00:33:16,455 --> 00:33:18,957 In fact, in 2018, the government indicated 748 00:33:18,999 --> 00:33:23,628 it may be ready to make changes to the 51/49 law 749 00:33:23,670 --> 00:33:25,422 because they've realized an economy 750 00:33:25,464 --> 00:33:28,925 based on total dick moves is ultimately built on sand. 751 00:33:28,967 --> 00:33:30,761 Surely, there's a better way. 752 00:33:34,890 --> 00:33:37,726 So once again, we scoured the world 753 00:33:37,768 --> 00:33:41,396 looking for a beacon of hope in a rich dick universe, 754 00:33:41,438 --> 00:33:46,526 a competitive yet altruistic, non-zero sum, symbiotic, 755 00:33:46,568 --> 00:33:50,280 shining dick on a hill we can all look up to. 756 00:33:55,076 --> 00:33:58,663 Yes, we are totally committed to this joke. 757 00:33:58,705 --> 00:34:01,249 Doc Johnson in North Hollywood, California 758 00:34:01,291 --> 00:34:04,795 is one of the premier makers of fine adult products, 759 00:34:04,836 --> 00:34:08,215 but their business success is eclipsed by something else, 760 00:34:08,256 --> 00:34:13,011 their rock hard reputation for being a nice place to work. 761 00:34:13,053 --> 00:34:16,348 Chad Braverman may look like an every man on the streets, 762 00:34:16,389 --> 00:34:18,934 but he's a freak in the balance sheets. 763 00:34:18,975 --> 00:34:22,229 As COO, he took his family's mom and pop dildo business 764 00:34:22,270 --> 00:34:25,649 and erected a multi-million dollar empire, 765 00:34:25,690 --> 00:34:29,694 selling over a throbbing 75,000 sex toys a week. 766 00:34:31,696 --> 00:34:33,198 - [Chad] Everything you see here is like 767 00:34:33,240 --> 00:34:35,075 this is the type of manufacturing we do. 768 00:34:35,116 --> 00:34:38,537 - You can see things like this. - [Kal] Is that ready to go? 769 00:34:38,578 --> 00:34:40,831 - Well, it's got to be put into a package, 770 00:34:40,872 --> 00:34:42,958 -but that's the mold I did. -(Kal laughs) 771 00:34:42,999 --> 00:34:45,252 - Chad credits his success to following 772 00:34:45,293 --> 00:34:49,214 a few key principles that would make Adam Smith blush 773 00:34:49,256 --> 00:34:51,174 in admiration. 774 00:34:51,216 --> 00:34:54,094 Look, assembly line production, just like Henry Ford. 775 00:34:54,135 --> 00:34:57,514 I wonder what other capitalistic tropes I can find here. 776 00:34:57,556 --> 00:34:59,474 Are these butt plugs? 777 00:34:59,516 --> 00:35:01,393 - [Chad] No, these are masturbators. 778 00:35:01,434 --> 00:35:03,353 - [Kal] Oh. 779 00:35:03,395 --> 00:35:05,230 - [Chard] So this is kinda what she was making. 780 00:35:05,272 --> 00:35:07,482 - [Kal] Oh, wow. That's like an everything. 781 00:35:07,524 --> 00:35:09,276 - You have the lips, the tongue. 782 00:35:09,317 --> 00:35:11,778 And then a bullet goes through here so it's vibrating. 783 00:35:11,820 --> 00:35:13,029 - Oh, come on. 784 00:35:15,699 --> 00:35:17,617 - One of the things that Doc Johnson has been known for 785 00:35:17,659 --> 00:35:21,413 for like 30 years is molding porn stars. 786 00:35:21,454 --> 00:35:23,415 - Yup. - [Chad] You know, we've done 787 00:35:23,456 --> 00:35:25,584 some of the biggest names in the history of the industry, 788 00:35:25,625 --> 00:35:29,754 Belladonna, Sasha Grey, Jenna Jameson. 789 00:35:29,796 --> 00:35:31,381 - So how does that work? Do you give them a onetime fee? 790 00:35:31,423 --> 00:35:32,841 Do they own royalties? 791 00:35:32,883 --> 00:35:34,968 - Most deals are royalty based, right? 792 00:35:35,010 --> 00:35:36,761 So you have sort of a partnership. 793 00:35:36,803 --> 00:35:38,972 They're getting paid for every single unit sold. 794 00:35:39,014 --> 00:35:41,725 It makes them invested in the product as well. 795 00:35:43,685 --> 00:35:46,104 - Are there folks who are not known in the adult industry 796 00:35:46,146 --> 00:35:48,106 who also give you molds? 797 00:35:48,148 --> 00:35:50,191 - Yes, we have a product here that actually was molded 798 00:35:50,233 --> 00:35:54,195 from like a male gentleman, not a performer but-- 799 00:35:54,237 --> 00:35:56,406 - He had a huge ass dick. - It wasn't huge necessarily. 800 00:35:56,448 --> 00:35:58,116 - Oh, it was just nice. - It was just like good looking. 801 00:35:58,158 --> 00:35:59,784 -You know what I mean? - Nice. 802 00:35:59,826 --> 00:36:02,162 -The product is still in our catalog, 803 00:36:02,203 --> 00:36:05,707 and it's like going on like 30 years. 804 00:36:05,749 --> 00:36:08,627 And it's like a huge selling item, pun intended. 805 00:36:08,668 --> 00:36:10,378 - Sure, yeah. 806 00:36:10,420 --> 00:36:13,632 - [Chad] This is Angiani. She specializes in clay work. 807 00:36:13,673 --> 00:36:16,051 We're mimicking human skin. 808 00:36:16,092 --> 00:36:19,763 Angiani's been with us for 20 years now. 809 00:36:19,804 --> 00:36:21,056 - Well, how is it working for this guy? 810 00:36:21,097 --> 00:36:23,308 - Chad has always been fair. 811 00:36:23,350 --> 00:36:25,352 He always treats me like a friend. 812 00:36:25,393 --> 00:36:28,271 If I've been here for 20 years, it means something is right. 813 00:36:29,648 --> 00:36:31,066 - Are you allowed to tell me 814 00:36:31,107 --> 00:36:32,984 how much you guys take in, any of that? 815 00:36:33,026 --> 00:36:35,153 - I can tell you that the industry is estimated 816 00:36:35,195 --> 00:36:38,031 to do well over $1 billion this year. 817 00:36:38,073 --> 00:36:40,617 There are people pushing the industry forward 818 00:36:40,659 --> 00:36:42,077 in new and exciting ways. 819 00:36:42,118 --> 00:36:43,787 I mean, you need to have competition 820 00:36:43,828 --> 00:36:46,581 that's making you reinvent yourself. 821 00:36:46,623 --> 00:36:48,959 - You guys are doing well. 822 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:50,877 You're obviously making a lot of money. 823 00:36:50,919 --> 00:36:54,255 So is there a dickishness that has to do 824 00:36:54,297 --> 00:36:57,384 with making a lot of money and doing well in business? 825 00:36:57,425 --> 00:36:59,177 - I think a lot of the rich people that I've met 826 00:36:59,219 --> 00:37:03,223 are from that confident to that extreme confident. 827 00:37:03,264 --> 00:37:05,350 Some of them have definitely been dicks too, 828 00:37:05,392 --> 00:37:07,018 but there's a difference. 829 00:37:07,060 --> 00:37:10,397 - What makes you different? - I just make dicks. 830 00:37:10,438 --> 00:37:12,357 -(Kal laughs) -Instead of being a dick. 831 00:37:12,399 --> 00:37:14,109 I just try to treat people fairly. 832 00:37:14,150 --> 00:37:16,194 - [Kal] It's good just knowing 833 00:37:16,236 --> 00:37:19,406 there are rich non-dicks like Chad out there. 834 00:37:19,447 --> 00:37:21,074 And he's not the only one. 835 00:37:21,116 --> 00:37:24,202 There are a lots of people who don't seem to be dicks 836 00:37:24,244 --> 00:37:26,496 but still make capitalism work 837 00:37:26,538 --> 00:37:29,040 for personal gain and the greater good. 838 00:37:31,501 --> 00:37:33,586 But back to the original question. 839 00:37:33,628 --> 00:37:38,299 Is there a connection between being rich and being a dick? 840 00:37:38,341 --> 00:37:40,176 The answer is yes. 841 00:37:42,012 --> 00:37:44,806 Being a bit of a dick can help you get rich 842 00:37:44,848 --> 00:37:47,142 and may even benefit the rest of us, 843 00:37:47,183 --> 00:37:49,519 as long as when it comes to innovation, 844 00:37:49,561 --> 00:37:53,189 your motto is stoke it, don't choke it. 845 00:37:53,231 --> 00:37:55,400 Because if you're the kind of dick who creates a system 846 00:37:55,442 --> 00:37:59,029 that keeps you on top and won't allow other dicks to rise, 847 00:37:59,070 --> 00:38:02,407 well, that just makes you an asshole. 848 00:38:02,449 --> 00:38:06,828 And that, ladies and gentlemen, is 40 times I said dick. 849 00:38:06,870 --> 00:38:08,997 Make that 41. 850 00:38:09,039 --> 00:38:11,541 (upbeat music) 851 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:44,949 - How are you enjoying your soup? 852 00:38:44,991 --> 00:38:47,077 - Can we have some fucking spoons? 853 00:38:47,118 --> 00:38:49,496 - Okay, well, spoons are considered a premium utensil. 854 00:38:49,537 --> 00:38:51,623 - You know what? -No, I'm not gonna pay extra for a spoon. 855 00:38:51,664 --> 00:38:54,501 I'm gonna drink the fucking chowder. 856 00:38:54,542 --> 00:38:55,585 Oh. 857 00:38:56,878 --> 00:38:58,797 Can I have a napkin? 858 00:38:58,838 --> 00:39:00,090 (crew laughs) 859 00:39:02,717 --> 00:39:04,094 - [Man] That was good.