1 00:00:41,917 --> 00:00:44,753 [crowd cheering wildly] 2 00:00:47,464 --> 00:00:50,175 Crowd: [chanting] Tina! Tina! Tina! 3 00:00:52,553 --> 00:00:54,429 - Well, hi, everybody! 4 00:00:54,513 --> 00:00:56,682 [crowd cheering] 5 00:00:56,765 --> 00:00:59,560 Come on, give it to me. I said hi, everybody! 6 00:00:59,643 --> 00:01:01,144 [wild cheering] 7 00:01:01,228 --> 00:01:03,647 Let me hear you say "ow"! 8 00:01:03,730 --> 00:01:05,190 Crowd: Ow! 9 00:01:05,357 --> 00:01:08,235 ["Ask Me How I Feel" playing] 10 00:01:08,318 --> 00:01:10,862 [upbeat pop-rock song] 11 00:01:10,946 --> 00:01:16,952 ♪ ♪ 12 00:01:25,043 --> 00:01:28,380 - ♪ We're all waiting in the storm ♪ 13 00:01:28,463 --> 00:01:30,591 ♪ Ask me how I feel ♪ 14 00:01:30,674 --> 00:01:33,051 ♪ When things are going wrong ♪ 15 00:01:33,135 --> 00:01:35,095 ♪ Ask me how I feel ♪ 16 00:01:35,178 --> 00:01:37,306 ♪ The night is awful cold ♪ 17 00:01:37,389 --> 00:01:39,391 ♪ Ask me how I feel ♪ 18 00:01:40,058 --> 00:01:42,144 ♪ You're much too loose to hold ♪ 19 00:01:42,227 --> 00:01:45,147 ♪ Ask me how I feel ♪ 20 00:01:46,023 --> 00:01:47,899 ♪ You don't treat me tender ♪ 21 00:01:47,983 --> 00:01:50,152 ♪ No matter what I do ♪ 22 00:01:50,777 --> 00:01:52,988 ♪ I'm the great pretender ♪ 23 00:01:53,071 --> 00:01:55,824 ♪ Oh, oh, oh, oh ♪ 24 00:01:56,575 --> 00:01:59,119 ♪ Waiting in the storm ♪ 25 00:01:59,202 --> 00:02:01,121 ♪ Ask me how I feel ♪ 26 00:02:01,204 --> 00:02:03,040 ♪ Everything's going wrong ♪ 27 00:02:03,123 --> 00:02:05,167 ♪ You gotta ask me how I feel ♪ 28 00:02:05,834 --> 00:02:08,295 - ♪ The night is awful cold ♪ 29 00:02:08,378 --> 00:02:10,422 - ♪ Ask me how I feel ♪ 30 00:02:10,505 --> 00:02:12,674 [fading] ♪ You know you're much too loose to hold ♪ 31 00:02:12,758 --> 00:02:14,176 ♪ Come on, and ask me how I feel ♪ 32 00:02:14,259 --> 00:02:17,220 [soft dreamy music] 33 00:02:17,387 --> 00:02:21,725 ♪ ♪ 34 00:02:23,435 --> 00:02:27,439 - I wondered sometimes if anyone has approached you 35 00:02:27,522 --> 00:02:30,984 to do the story of your life, which is indeed fantastic. 36 00:02:31,068 --> 00:02:32,778 - [chuckles] Yes. 37 00:02:32,861 --> 00:02:34,363 But I don't want to play the part. 38 00:02:34,446 --> 00:02:35,906 I've done it. 39 00:02:35,989 --> 00:02:37,658 - Who else could play the part of Tina Turner? 40 00:02:37,741 --> 00:02:40,702 - We'll find someone. [both laugh] 41 00:02:40,786 --> 00:02:42,746 I just really don't want to play the part, 42 00:02:42,829 --> 00:02:44,122 you know what I mean? 43 00:02:44,206 --> 00:02:45,874 No, you don't know what I mean, 44 00:02:45,957 --> 00:02:47,668 'cause you'd have to know me to know. 45 00:02:47,751 --> 00:02:50,545 It was just so unlike me, my life. 46 00:02:50,629 --> 00:02:53,048 But I don't want anyone to know about it, I mean... 47 00:02:53,131 --> 00:02:55,258 - You mean it'd be too painful or too... 48 00:02:55,342 --> 00:02:58,970 - Ah, it wasn't... wasn't a good life. 49 00:02:59,054 --> 00:03:00,722 It was in some areas, 50 00:03:00,806 --> 00:03:03,016 but the goodness did not balance the bad. 51 00:03:03,100 --> 00:03:05,769 So it's like not wanting to be reminded. 52 00:03:05,852 --> 00:03:07,813 You don't like to pull out old clothes, you know? 53 00:03:07,896 --> 00:03:09,398 It's like, old memories, 54 00:03:09,481 --> 00:03:11,566 you want to just leave that in the past and done with 55 00:03:11,650 --> 00:03:13,318 and all the things you don't really want to say, 56 00:03:13,402 --> 00:03:15,737 but there comes a time when you do have to say it. 57 00:03:16,196 --> 00:03:22,202 ♪ ♪ 58 00:03:41,221 --> 00:03:42,931 - This is interview one, take one. 59 00:03:43,014 --> 00:03:44,433 [clapboard clacks] 60 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:47,602 - In 1981, you did this interview 61 00:03:47,686 --> 00:03:48,729 with "People" magazine, 62 00:03:48,812 --> 00:03:51,022 where for the first time, really, 63 00:03:51,106 --> 00:03:53,108 you spoke openly about your past with Ike. 64 00:03:53,191 --> 00:03:54,401 - Yeah. 65 00:03:54,526 --> 00:03:56,445 - And I'm curious if you can remember at all 66 00:03:56,528 --> 00:03:58,447 any of the thoughts you had 67 00:03:58,530 --> 00:04:01,992 around the decision to be public about that. 68 00:04:02,117 --> 00:04:03,910 - About my past? 69 00:04:03,994 --> 00:04:05,746 - About your past, but also, I guess, 70 00:04:05,829 --> 00:04:07,581 about the abuse specifically. 71 00:04:07,664 --> 00:04:11,042 - Yeah, that was quite nerve-racking. 72 00:04:11,126 --> 00:04:13,837 Actually, I called my psychic, and I said, 73 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:15,046 "What's gonna happen?" 74 00:04:15,130 --> 00:04:18,133 'Cause I was really apprehensive 75 00:04:18,216 --> 00:04:22,012 about giving the story away because it was telling. 76 00:04:22,095 --> 00:04:24,556 It was really telling. 77 00:04:24,639 --> 00:04:26,558 And she said, "No, Tina. 78 00:04:26,641 --> 00:04:29,060 "It's going to do just the opposite. 79 00:04:29,144 --> 00:04:31,521 It's gonna break everything wide open." 80 00:04:31,605 --> 00:04:33,148 - In the early '80s, 81 00:04:33,231 --> 00:04:36,443 being in "People" magazine was the equivalent of going viral. 82 00:04:36,526 --> 00:04:39,154 We had 30 million readers. 83 00:04:39,237 --> 00:04:41,656 And if somebody wanted to reach a lot of people, 84 00:04:41,907 --> 00:04:44,367 there was really no bigger place to go 85 00:04:44,451 --> 00:04:46,203 than "People" magazine. 86 00:04:46,745 --> 00:04:48,789 I was the music editor of "People" magazine 87 00:04:48,872 --> 00:04:50,707 for many years, 88 00:04:50,916 --> 00:04:55,170 and this is the December 7, 1981 issue, 89 00:04:55,253 --> 00:04:58,715 when Tina decided to tell her story. 90 00:04:58,924 --> 00:05:01,343 And it was the first time she told the story in public 91 00:05:01,426 --> 00:05:03,011 to a journalist. 92 00:05:03,303 --> 00:05:05,847 So this is the story. 93 00:05:05,931 --> 00:05:08,850 I reported it and wrote it for "People" magazine. 94 00:05:11,144 --> 00:05:14,564 This is the picture of Tina. 95 00:05:21,071 --> 00:05:24,282 "Tina Turner remains rock's original Jagger, 96 00:05:24,366 --> 00:05:26,117 "a primitive force who, 97 00:05:26,201 --> 00:05:29,579 "glittering in sequins and a gold-chain miniskirt, 98 00:05:29,663 --> 00:05:33,291 "typically assaults the stage in mid-scream 99 00:05:33,375 --> 00:05:36,253 "with both legs pumping, hips grinding, 100 00:05:36,336 --> 00:05:38,046 "long mane whirling, 101 00:05:38,129 --> 00:05:41,216 "and her mouth wrapped around some of the sexiest sounds 102 00:05:41,299 --> 00:05:43,343 "ever set to music. 103 00:05:43,426 --> 00:05:45,262 "More than five years have passed 104 00:05:45,345 --> 00:05:48,348 "since Tina's bitter break with Ike Turner, 105 00:05:48,431 --> 00:05:50,809 "her longtime husband, sideman, 106 00:05:50,892 --> 00:05:53,353 "and music collaborator on such classics 107 00:05:53,436 --> 00:05:56,439 "as 'Proud Mary' and 'Come Together. ' 108 00:05:56,690 --> 00:05:59,943 "Only now is Tina able to discuss 109 00:06:00,026 --> 00:06:02,404 "what she claims were the harrowing events 110 00:06:02,487 --> 00:06:04,531 leading up to their split." 111 00:06:04,614 --> 00:06:06,616 [dramatic music] 112 00:06:06,700 --> 00:06:09,911 - I lived 16 years with a man that I knew 113 00:06:09,995 --> 00:06:11,788 there was no way I could ever be happy with, 114 00:06:11,872 --> 00:06:13,999 but I felt that I had to stay there. 115 00:06:14,082 --> 00:06:15,083 - Mm-hmm. 116 00:06:15,166 --> 00:06:17,669 - You have to believe me now when I tell you something. 117 00:06:17,752 --> 00:06:20,297 My ex-husband was a physically violent man. 118 00:06:20,380 --> 00:06:22,716 I went through basic torture. 119 00:06:22,799 --> 00:06:25,260 - Torture? You would call it torture? 120 00:06:25,343 --> 00:06:27,137 - To me, it was. 121 00:06:27,345 --> 00:06:28,972 A lot of people don't know, 122 00:06:29,055 --> 00:06:30,765 and your magazine will probably be the first 123 00:06:30,849 --> 00:06:33,685 to make it publicly known. 124 00:06:33,935 --> 00:06:36,897 I was living a life of death. 125 00:06:36,980 --> 00:06:38,815 I didn't exist... 126 00:06:39,524 --> 00:06:41,276 but I survived it. 127 00:06:41,359 --> 00:06:43,612 And when I walked out, I walked. 128 00:06:43,695 --> 00:06:45,405 And I didn't look back. 129 00:06:45,488 --> 00:06:47,657 ♪ ♪ 130 00:06:47,949 --> 00:06:50,744 - People choose to tell their story 131 00:06:50,827 --> 00:06:52,579 for lots of different reasons. 132 00:06:52,662 --> 00:06:54,414 I think she told me so much 133 00:06:54,497 --> 00:06:56,333 because she wanted to just tell it 134 00:06:56,416 --> 00:06:58,126 and then forget it. 135 00:06:58,293 --> 00:07:00,211 It didn't quite work out that way, 136 00:07:00,295 --> 00:07:04,633 because now, that story is a great mark of her life. 137 00:07:04,716 --> 00:07:08,845 ♪ ♪ 138 00:07:11,765 --> 00:07:13,850 - Ladies and gentlemen, 139 00:07:13,934 --> 00:07:16,436 you've seen them live from coast to coast. 140 00:07:16,519 --> 00:07:18,063 Now you're about to see them 141 00:07:18,146 --> 00:07:20,357 all together for the very first time 142 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,192 on national television. 143 00:07:22,275 --> 00:07:24,027 "Hollywood a Go Go" presents 144 00:07:24,110 --> 00:07:28,239 the fantastic Ike & Tina Turner Revue! 145 00:07:28,323 --> 00:07:31,034 [cheers and applause] 146 00:07:31,117 --> 00:07:33,995 ["Sweet Soul Music" playing] 147 00:07:34,162 --> 00:07:36,957 [upbeat '60s rock] 148 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:43,046 ♪ ♪ 149 00:07:58,561 --> 00:08:01,314 - When I was a teenager back in the '60s, 150 00:08:01,398 --> 00:08:04,234 I knew of their record that they had out, 151 00:08:04,317 --> 00:08:06,152 but I had never seen them. 152 00:08:06,236 --> 00:08:09,739 And then they came on TV, and I saw her dancing, 153 00:08:09,823 --> 00:08:11,533 and that's all I could look at. 154 00:08:11,658 --> 00:08:16,037 I was just so amazed at this woman. 155 00:08:16,121 --> 00:08:21,626 ♪ ♪ 156 00:08:22,711 --> 00:08:24,921 - I remember standing there watching her 157 00:08:25,005 --> 00:08:28,466 and saying, "Whatever that is, 158 00:08:28,550 --> 00:08:30,427 I want some of that." 159 00:08:30,510 --> 00:08:32,220 I got the spirit. 160 00:08:32,303 --> 00:08:35,432 It's no different than being in a church 161 00:08:35,557 --> 00:08:38,226 where you are moved and stirred 162 00:08:38,309 --> 00:08:41,312 to the point where you can feel it inside yourself. 163 00:08:42,397 --> 00:08:44,357 - ♪ Do you like good music? ♪ 164 00:08:45,316 --> 00:08:46,985 ♪ Sweet soul music ♪ 165 00:08:48,069 --> 00:08:49,946 ♪ Long as it's swinging ♪ 166 00:08:50,780 --> 00:08:51,865 ♪ Yeah ♪ 167 00:08:51,948 --> 00:08:53,074 ♪ Yeah ♪ 168 00:08:53,158 --> 00:08:55,035 ♪ Get out here on the floor, y'all ♪ 169 00:08:56,244 --> 00:08:58,038 ♪ Dancing to a go-go ♪ 170 00:08:58,747 --> 00:09:00,832 ♪ And dancing to the music ♪ 171 00:09:01,666 --> 00:09:02,709 ♪ Yeah ♪ 172 00:09:02,959 --> 00:09:03,960 ♪ Yeah ♪ 173 00:09:04,044 --> 00:09:06,296 ♪ Spotlight is on me, y'all ♪ 174 00:09:06,963 --> 00:09:08,798 ♪ And I'm having a ball, y'all ♪ 175 00:09:08,882 --> 00:09:12,010 - Back then, you had the whole Motown revue. 176 00:09:12,093 --> 00:09:13,803 You had Diana Ross, 177 00:09:13,887 --> 00:09:15,096 Mary Wells. 178 00:09:15,221 --> 00:09:18,224 - The Temptations in these Italian suits, 179 00:09:18,308 --> 00:09:21,644 and we're putting forth an image of sophistication. 180 00:09:21,728 --> 00:09:24,105 - And they were all... [hums softly] 181 00:09:24,189 --> 00:09:27,525 That kind of stuff, and Tina was more, "Yeah!" 182 00:09:27,609 --> 00:09:28,610 That kind of stuff. 183 00:09:28,693 --> 00:09:29,986 - It's wild. 184 00:09:30,070 --> 00:09:32,322 It's your sensuality, your sexuality, 185 00:09:32,405 --> 00:09:33,823 and it's in your face. 186 00:09:33,907 --> 00:09:37,368 - ♪ Dancing to a go-go and dancing to the music ♪ 187 00:09:38,078 --> 00:09:39,370 - Did you ever study dancing? 188 00:09:39,454 --> 00:09:40,371 - No. - No? 189 00:09:40,455 --> 00:09:42,082 And what about music? 190 00:09:42,165 --> 00:09:44,417 You know, singing? - No, no music at all. 191 00:09:44,501 --> 00:09:46,252 Everything is just natural for me. 192 00:09:46,336 --> 00:09:47,796 I'm a performer, and I sing, 193 00:09:47,879 --> 00:09:50,882 and Ike does the managing and producing. 194 00:09:52,592 --> 00:09:54,511 - It was Ike's band. 195 00:09:54,594 --> 00:09:57,931 But he knew that in order to be 196 00:09:58,014 --> 00:10:01,267 a number one, he needed Tina, 197 00:10:01,351 --> 00:10:04,229 'cause Tina was the shining star. 198 00:10:04,437 --> 00:10:10,443 ♪ ♪ 199 00:10:15,448 --> 00:10:19,035 [cheers and applause] 200 00:10:19,452 --> 00:10:22,288 [indistinct chatter] 201 00:10:39,806 --> 00:10:42,142 - ♪ Oh ♪ 202 00:10:42,225 --> 00:10:43,518 ♪ Box top ♪ 203 00:10:44,269 --> 00:10:45,603 - ♪ Let's rock ♪ 204 00:10:45,687 --> 00:10:47,397 ♪ Oh, let's rock ♪ 205 00:10:48,064 --> 00:10:49,399 - ♪ Bet bop ♪ 206 00:10:49,482 --> 00:10:51,359 - ♪ Oh, box top ♪ 207 00:11:08,793 --> 00:11:12,088 [guitar solo] 208 00:11:35,445 --> 00:11:37,822 - ♪ He ♪ 209 00:11:38,281 --> 00:11:40,992 ♪ Gave ♪ 210 00:11:41,868 --> 00:11:45,079 ♪ Me a mother ♪ 211 00:11:46,247 --> 00:11:49,334 ♪ And he gave me ♪ 212 00:11:49,751 --> 00:11:53,087 ♪ A father, too ♪ 213 00:11:54,005 --> 00:11:56,925 ♪ He gave ♪ 214 00:11:57,508 --> 00:12:01,095 ♪ Yes, gave me everything ♪ 215 00:12:01,888 --> 00:12:05,016 ♪ And then he gave ♪ 216 00:12:05,808 --> 00:12:09,187 ♪ He gave me you ♪ 217 00:12:10,021 --> 00:12:12,815 ♪ He gave ♪ 218 00:12:26,412 --> 00:12:28,539 ♪ He gave ♪ 219 00:12:28,998 --> 00:12:32,252 ♪ Yes, gave me everything ♪ 220 00:12:48,601 --> 00:12:51,062 - He was like her hero. 221 00:12:51,145 --> 00:12:52,522 Like a big brother. 222 00:12:53,022 --> 00:12:55,191 And he seen her like a little sister. 223 00:12:55,608 --> 00:12:56,776 That relationship 224 00:12:56,859 --> 00:12:58,278 was very beautiful. 225 00:12:58,361 --> 00:12:59,445 It really was. 226 00:13:15,420 --> 00:13:17,505 - ♪ ...me strength to love with ♪ 227 00:13:17,630 --> 00:13:20,842 I wasn't thinking of, "I'll go to St. Louis, 228 00:13:20,925 --> 00:13:23,928 and I'll start singing, and I'll be a star." 229 00:13:24,595 --> 00:13:27,890 I was young, naive, 230 00:13:28,141 --> 00:13:29,976 just a country girl, 231 00:13:30,435 --> 00:13:34,063 and everything just opened up to me. 232 00:13:34,939 --> 00:13:37,859 ♪ And most of all ♪ 233 00:13:38,484 --> 00:13:41,821 ♪ He gave me you ♪ 234 00:13:42,113 --> 00:13:44,282 - Tina, you started your musical career 235 00:13:44,365 --> 00:13:46,200 in a church choir in your hometown. 236 00:13:46,284 --> 00:13:47,618 Do you consider your musical roots 237 00:13:47,702 --> 00:13:49,287 to be Black gospel? 238 00:13:49,912 --> 00:13:51,122 - Oh, yes. Certainly. 239 00:13:51,205 --> 00:13:53,416 Black gospel, blues. 240 00:13:53,666 --> 00:13:56,711 B.B. King's music was our radio during that time. 241 00:13:56,794 --> 00:13:59,005 - Mm-hmm. What kind of songs were you singing 242 00:13:59,088 --> 00:14:00,631 as a member of the church choir? 243 00:14:00,715 --> 00:14:02,050 - [laughs] 244 00:14:02,133 --> 00:14:04,010 Well, we call them... 245 00:14:04,093 --> 00:14:06,095 well, it was a Baptist church, 246 00:14:06,179 --> 00:14:09,015 and they were just spiritual songs. 247 00:14:09,474 --> 00:14:12,018 Songs about, you know, love 248 00:14:12,101 --> 00:14:14,437 and giving and... 249 00:14:14,979 --> 00:14:17,648 and doing all of the right things 250 00:14:17,732 --> 00:14:19,567 that make life good. 251 00:14:20,443 --> 00:14:22,195 Those were good times, you know, 252 00:14:22,278 --> 00:14:23,946 to remember all of the church singing 253 00:14:24,030 --> 00:14:25,573 and the choir and all. 254 00:14:30,203 --> 00:14:33,122 When you're in the South, there's nothing happening, 255 00:14:33,206 --> 00:14:35,625 except the church, the piano, the preacher. 256 00:14:35,917 --> 00:14:37,752 During that time, I didn't know 257 00:14:37,835 --> 00:14:39,128 about anywhere else. 258 00:14:39,212 --> 00:14:42,215 So seeing Lucille Ball 259 00:14:42,298 --> 00:14:43,800 and Loretta Young 260 00:14:43,883 --> 00:14:46,260 and all the beautiful ladies of Hollywood, 261 00:14:46,344 --> 00:14:48,388 they were a role model 262 00:14:48,471 --> 00:14:50,973 for a performer. 263 00:14:52,350 --> 00:14:55,311 But I didn't think that I would actually achieve that, 264 00:14:55,395 --> 00:14:57,647 because first, I wasn't pretty, 265 00:14:57,730 --> 00:15:00,108 and I didn't have the clothes, I didn't have the means. 266 00:15:00,191 --> 00:15:02,777 [soft music] 267 00:15:03,569 --> 00:15:06,239 I remember the first "Vogue" magazine that I saw, 268 00:15:06,322 --> 00:15:08,324 and I remember my first French poster... 269 00:15:08,408 --> 00:15:10,243 Champs-Elysées, 270 00:15:11,035 --> 00:15:12,620 the Eiffel Tower, 271 00:15:12,703 --> 00:15:15,248 and the very, very French woman. 272 00:15:15,331 --> 00:15:16,999 I was like, "Ah, that's what I want. 273 00:15:17,083 --> 00:15:19,794 The world. That's where I want to go." 274 00:15:20,086 --> 00:15:24,215 ♪ ♪ 275 00:15:24,715 --> 00:15:26,426 - I got the impression from her, 276 00:15:26,509 --> 00:15:28,344 she always felt a little bit out of time 277 00:15:28,428 --> 00:15:30,012 or a little bit out of place. 278 00:15:31,139 --> 00:15:33,808 I didn't think she ever felt like people understood her 279 00:15:33,891 --> 00:15:36,018 or really liked her for who she was, 280 00:15:36,102 --> 00:15:37,770 and the talent she had, 281 00:15:37,854 --> 00:15:39,522 she finally learned that she had, 282 00:15:39,605 --> 00:15:42,442 can win you a lot of people who recognize who you are 283 00:15:42,525 --> 00:15:45,695 and will become like your real family... 284 00:15:45,945 --> 00:15:47,321 or try to. 285 00:15:48,322 --> 00:15:52,660 - Ike, first of all, if we can kind of go back a long way 286 00:15:52,743 --> 00:15:54,120 to when you were a young man. 287 00:15:54,203 --> 00:15:55,997 A lot of people credit you 288 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,458 with doing the first ever rock and roll record, 289 00:15:58,541 --> 00:15:59,542 "Rocket 88." 290 00:15:59,625 --> 00:16:01,169 - Yeah, that was in 1951. 291 00:16:01,252 --> 00:16:03,629 - Yeah. How did that thing happen? 292 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:06,174 - Well, I live in Clarksdale, Mississippi, 293 00:16:06,257 --> 00:16:09,218 which is actually 61 miles from Memphis, 294 00:16:09,302 --> 00:16:11,387 and B.B. King, my mother, 295 00:16:11,512 --> 00:16:13,264 she practically raised him, you know, 296 00:16:13,306 --> 00:16:14,724 and one night, we was coming from 297 00:16:14,807 --> 00:16:16,184 Chambers, Mississippi, playing, 298 00:16:16,267 --> 00:16:18,352 and B.B., I asked him, I said, "Man, can we play a song?" 299 00:16:18,436 --> 00:16:19,604 And he said, "Yeah." 300 00:16:19,687 --> 00:16:21,314 So he let my band play one number. 301 00:16:21,397 --> 00:16:23,983 So, anyway, he said, "Man, you guys should be recording." 302 00:16:24,066 --> 00:16:25,359 And, man, we didn't have any material, 303 00:16:25,443 --> 00:16:27,445 so on the way up, we decided to write this song, 304 00:16:27,528 --> 00:16:30,364 and that's when I wrote the song "Rocket 88," you know. 305 00:16:30,448 --> 00:16:31,699 - ♪ You women have heard of jalopies ♪ 306 00:16:31,782 --> 00:16:33,367 ♪ You've heard the noise they make ♪ 307 00:16:33,451 --> 00:16:36,496 ♪ But let me introduce my new Rocket 88 ♪ 308 00:16:36,704 --> 00:16:38,247 ♪ Yes, it's great ♪ 309 00:16:38,331 --> 00:16:39,832 ♪ Just won't wait ♪ 310 00:16:39,916 --> 00:16:42,460 ♪ Everybody likes my Rocket 88 ♪ 311 00:16:42,543 --> 00:16:44,462 ♪ Baby, we'll ride in style ♪ 312 00:16:44,545 --> 00:16:46,881 ♪ Moving all along ♪ 313 00:16:48,674 --> 00:16:50,885 - Ike Turner is a very important part 314 00:16:50,968 --> 00:16:52,553 of R&B history. 315 00:16:52,637 --> 00:16:54,931 Everybody relied on him 'cause he really knew music 316 00:16:55,014 --> 00:16:56,682 and he scored a real hit record 317 00:16:56,766 --> 00:16:59,227 with a song in 1951 called "Rocket 88." 318 00:16:59,644 --> 00:17:01,854 People say it's the first rock and roll record. 319 00:17:01,938 --> 00:17:03,814 And when it comes out, Chess has credited it 320 00:17:03,898 --> 00:17:06,526 to Jackie Brenston & His Delta Cats. 321 00:17:06,609 --> 00:17:08,402 Ike Turner did that song, you know? 322 00:17:08,486 --> 00:17:09,904 He made everything about it happen, 323 00:17:09,987 --> 00:17:11,864 and it's credited to one of his saxophone players. 324 00:17:11,948 --> 00:17:14,242 Imagine how he feels about this. 325 00:17:14,367 --> 00:17:16,369 And I think that's the story of his career. 326 00:17:16,494 --> 00:17:18,412 I think he became paranoid about that. 327 00:17:18,496 --> 00:17:20,748 He said, "People were always trying to rip me off." 328 00:17:20,915 --> 00:17:23,251 - He's always obsessed on that. 329 00:17:23,417 --> 00:17:24,460 "Everybody leaves me. 330 00:17:24,544 --> 00:17:26,796 "I make 'em, you know, popular 331 00:17:26,879 --> 00:17:29,298 "and get a hit record and everything on them, 332 00:17:29,382 --> 00:17:30,633 and they all leave me." 333 00:17:33,761 --> 00:17:36,931 - Ike had a problem of writing songs for people, 334 00:17:37,014 --> 00:17:38,849 and they would leave, 335 00:17:38,933 --> 00:17:41,269 and I promised him that I wouldn't leave him. 336 00:17:43,020 --> 00:17:45,022 In those days, a promise is a promise. 337 00:17:58,995 --> 00:18:03,457 - ♪ Oh ♪ 338 00:18:07,878 --> 00:18:11,382 ♪ There's something on my mind ♪ 339 00:18:12,258 --> 00:18:15,636 ♪ Won't somebody please ♪ 340 00:18:16,220 --> 00:18:20,057 ♪ Please tell me what's wrong? ♪ 341 00:18:21,058 --> 00:18:22,810 - ♪ You're just a fool ♪ 342 00:18:22,893 --> 00:18:25,021 ♪ You know you're in love ♪ - ♪ What's to say? ♪ 343 00:18:25,104 --> 00:18:26,731 - ♪ You've got to face it to live in this world ♪ 344 00:18:26,814 --> 00:18:28,482 - ♪ Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey ♪ 345 00:18:28,566 --> 00:18:30,067 - ♪ You take the good along with the bad ♪ 346 00:18:30,151 --> 00:18:32,069 - ♪ Yeah, hey, hey ♪ 347 00:18:32,153 --> 00:18:34,655 - ♪ Sometimes you're happy, and sometimes you're sad ♪ 348 00:18:34,780 --> 00:18:36,699 - ♪ One more time ♪ - ♪ You know you love him ♪ 349 00:18:36,782 --> 00:18:38,492 ♪ You can't understand ♪ 350 00:18:38,576 --> 00:18:41,370 ♪ Why he treats you like he do when he's such a good man ♪ 351 00:18:41,454 --> 00:18:42,622 - ♪ Listen... ♪ 352 00:18:42,705 --> 00:18:43,914 I finished school, 353 00:18:43,998 --> 00:18:45,541 and I went in the recording studio, 354 00:18:45,625 --> 00:18:46,959 and I did a demo, 355 00:18:47,043 --> 00:18:48,961 and that's when the hit record came. 356 00:18:49,754 --> 00:18:51,047 ♪ Oh, now ♪ 357 00:18:51,130 --> 00:18:52,632 ♪ I must be a fool ♪ 358 00:18:53,174 --> 00:18:55,551 ♪ 'Cause I'll do anything he wants me to do ♪ 359 00:18:55,635 --> 00:18:56,844 ♪ Now tell me, how come ♪ 360 00:18:56,927 --> 00:18:59,096 - ♪ You're just a fool, you know you're in love ♪ 361 00:18:59,180 --> 00:19:00,556 - ♪ Now one more time ♪ 362 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:02,266 - ♪ You've got to face it to live in this world ♪ 363 00:19:02,350 --> 00:19:04,518 - ♪ Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey ♪ 364 00:19:04,602 --> 00:19:05,895 Ike came in, and he said, 365 00:19:05,978 --> 00:19:08,230 "You know, the people in New York are very excited." 366 00:19:08,314 --> 00:19:10,566 We got a hit record. He was very excited, you know. 367 00:19:10,650 --> 00:19:12,568 And then there was... contracts started coming in. 368 00:19:12,652 --> 00:19:16,197 [solemn music] 369 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,075 I was very ignorant to show business. 370 00:19:19,283 --> 00:19:21,494 I didn't have any idea what it was about. 371 00:19:21,702 --> 00:19:24,205 ♪ ♪ 372 00:19:24,288 --> 00:19:26,123 - She really was young. 373 00:19:27,667 --> 00:19:30,252 She never had no ambition 374 00:19:30,336 --> 00:19:32,338 to be some kind of superstar, 375 00:19:32,421 --> 00:19:35,925 but when she sang, she just had it. 376 00:19:36,967 --> 00:19:39,512 And Ike exploited it. 377 00:19:40,012 --> 00:19:42,723 He had to make sure he's gonna get his this time, 378 00:19:42,807 --> 00:19:45,226 so he'd make sure that his name is on it. 379 00:19:45,351 --> 00:19:47,353 - And that's when he put the whole show together, 380 00:19:47,436 --> 00:19:48,813 the Ike & Tina Turner Revue 381 00:19:48,896 --> 00:19:50,898 and gave her the name Tina Turner. 382 00:20:02,326 --> 00:20:03,744 - "Sheena: Queen of the Jungle," 383 00:20:03,828 --> 00:20:05,705 it was a TV series. 384 00:20:05,871 --> 00:20:08,499 Tina and Sheena, I guess it just sounded close to him, 385 00:20:08,582 --> 00:20:11,460 and it sounded good, Ike & Tina Revue, 386 00:20:11,544 --> 00:20:13,337 as a whole entity. 387 00:20:13,671 --> 00:20:15,756 So he changed it. Didn't even ask her. 388 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:17,675 She didn't know anything about it. 389 00:20:18,634 --> 00:20:23,055 ♪ ♪ 390 00:20:25,391 --> 00:20:27,768 - Tina was the gold mine. He knew that. 391 00:20:29,812 --> 00:20:32,398 He created this Frankenstein thing, 392 00:20:32,481 --> 00:20:34,358 and he had to control it. 393 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,779 So he had to change that thing from being my little sister... 394 00:20:38,863 --> 00:20:41,240 "No, no, you got to be my wife now." 395 00:20:41,323 --> 00:20:42,491 Fwoom. 396 00:20:42,658 --> 00:20:47,788 ♪ ♪ 397 00:22:32,977 --> 00:22:35,396 - You'd never know from one minute to the next. 398 00:22:35,479 --> 00:22:36,647 Ike could be having a good time, 399 00:22:36,730 --> 00:22:38,440 and everybody was having a good time, 400 00:22:38,524 --> 00:22:40,192 and it could just flip in a second. 401 00:22:40,276 --> 00:22:42,236 And I think with women, 402 00:22:42,319 --> 00:22:44,697 I think, you know, he figured he had the upper hand. 403 00:22:45,364 --> 00:22:47,366 And especially, like, with Tina, you know, 404 00:22:47,449 --> 00:22:48,617 that was, like... 405 00:22:49,785 --> 00:22:52,538 I think, him instilling in her, 406 00:22:52,788 --> 00:22:54,665 "You better be good, or, you know, 407 00:22:54,748 --> 00:22:56,542 I'm gonna beat the shit out of you." 408 00:22:56,750 --> 00:22:59,879 And did on many occasions, you know, I mean, 409 00:22:59,962 --> 00:23:01,881 and for no reason a lot of times. 410 00:23:01,964 --> 00:23:04,008 It was just... 411 00:23:04,633 --> 00:23:05,926 I really don't know. 412 00:23:06,010 --> 00:23:08,137 I don't think he knows a lot of the time. 413 00:23:08,220 --> 00:23:12,099 ♪ ♪ 414 00:23:12,516 --> 00:23:14,685 - I felt obligated to stay there, 415 00:23:14,768 --> 00:23:16,228 and I was afraid. 416 00:23:16,478 --> 00:23:18,314 And I stayed. That is just how it was. 417 00:23:18,397 --> 00:23:20,941 I felt very loyal to Ike, and I didn't want to hurt him. 418 00:23:21,025 --> 00:23:22,860 I mean, sometimes, like, after he beat me up, 419 00:23:22,943 --> 00:23:24,153 I'd end up feeling sorry for him. 420 00:23:24,236 --> 00:23:25,487 And, "Why am I feeling sorry?" 421 00:23:25,571 --> 00:23:27,114 I'm sitting here all bruised and torn, 422 00:23:27,197 --> 00:23:28,782 and all of a sudden, I'm feeling sorry for him. 423 00:23:28,866 --> 00:23:30,534 You know, little things like that. 424 00:23:31,452 --> 00:23:33,370 I was 23 years old or something, you know. 425 00:23:33,454 --> 00:23:34,955 I mean, early 20s. 426 00:23:35,039 --> 00:23:36,665 I was just all... how do you call it 427 00:23:36,749 --> 00:23:38,626 when someone brainwashes you, I guess? 428 00:23:38,709 --> 00:23:40,628 - Brainwashed. - Maybe I was brainwashed. 429 00:23:40,711 --> 00:23:43,047 Yeah. I was afraid of him. [pounds table] 430 00:23:43,130 --> 00:23:46,300 And I cared what happened to him, 431 00:23:46,383 --> 00:23:48,844 and I knew that if I left, there was no one to sing. 432 00:23:48,928 --> 00:23:52,306 So I was caught up in guilt and fear. 433 00:23:52,389 --> 00:23:54,350 Yeah, those are the two worst qualities, 434 00:23:54,433 --> 00:23:56,352 I think, for a young girl to be caught up into. 435 00:23:56,894 --> 00:24:01,231 ♪ ♪ 436 00:24:02,149 --> 00:24:03,651 [cheers and applause] 437 00:24:03,734 --> 00:24:06,904 - And now let's go with Ike and Tina Turner! 438 00:24:06,987 --> 00:24:09,990 [high-energy rock music] 439 00:24:10,282 --> 00:24:14,495 ♪ ♪ 440 00:24:17,456 --> 00:24:19,333 - ♪ And listen while I talk to you ♪ 441 00:24:20,167 --> 00:24:21,961 ♪ I tell you what I'm gonna do ♪ 442 00:24:22,753 --> 00:24:24,838 ♪ There's a new dance that's going around ♪ 443 00:24:25,089 --> 00:24:27,424 ♪ I want to tell you what they're putting down ♪ 444 00:24:27,883 --> 00:24:30,010 ♪ Just move your body all around ♪ 445 00:24:30,177 --> 00:24:31,178 ♪ Shake ♪ 446 00:24:31,261 --> 00:24:33,055 ♪ Aw, baby... ♪ 447 00:24:33,138 --> 00:24:34,473 - In those early days, 448 00:24:34,556 --> 00:24:36,350 you'd play three shows a night. 449 00:24:36,475 --> 00:24:39,103 Two shows this place, two shows that place, 450 00:24:39,186 --> 00:24:41,480 and two shows at the after-hours place. 451 00:24:41,563 --> 00:24:43,232 It was hard work. 452 00:24:43,983 --> 00:24:47,987 - I can remember working as many as four shows a night, 453 00:24:48,070 --> 00:24:50,864 and every night and every show... 454 00:24:50,948 --> 00:24:53,534 was packed, was packed. 455 00:24:53,659 --> 00:24:54,994 - Right now I'm gonna tell you 456 00:24:55,077 --> 00:24:56,245 a little something about my man. 457 00:24:56,328 --> 00:24:57,871 ["My Man, He's a Lovin' Man"] 458 00:24:57,955 --> 00:24:59,873 [cheers and applause] 459 00:24:59,957 --> 00:25:00,916 ♪ Ha ♪ 460 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:02,292 ♪ My man... ♪ 461 00:25:03,961 --> 00:25:06,213 - He rehearsed constantly. 462 00:25:06,296 --> 00:25:08,841 Even sometimes we'd be driving to the next show, 463 00:25:08,924 --> 00:25:10,259 he'd be playing the guitar in the back 464 00:25:10,342 --> 00:25:11,552 and having Tina sing. 465 00:25:11,635 --> 00:25:13,053 I mean, it was 24-7. 466 00:25:13,846 --> 00:25:15,264 - The show has to be perfect. 467 00:25:15,347 --> 00:25:17,141 Every single part of it has to be perfect. 468 00:25:17,224 --> 00:25:19,518 He was one of those guys who would turn around onstage 469 00:25:19,601 --> 00:25:21,562 and point at somebody, and they know 470 00:25:21,645 --> 00:25:24,064 they're getting a $10 fine 'cause they just blew a note. 471 00:25:24,982 --> 00:25:26,817 - ♪ He's a one-woman man ♪ 472 00:25:26,900 --> 00:25:28,152 ♪ And my man... ♪ 473 00:25:28,235 --> 00:25:30,029 - She didn't have the glam team, 474 00:25:30,112 --> 00:25:31,655 someone doing the hair and the makeup 475 00:25:31,739 --> 00:25:33,365 and the stylist getting the wardrobe. 476 00:25:33,449 --> 00:25:35,909 They did it all themselves. 477 00:25:36,076 --> 00:25:37,703 - ♪ My man ♪ - ♪ Your man ♪ 478 00:25:37,786 --> 00:25:39,079 ♪ Your man, your man ♪ 479 00:25:39,163 --> 00:25:41,415 - ♪ You know, he's really all right ♪ 480 00:25:41,498 --> 00:25:43,042 - ♪ Your man, your man, your man ♪ 481 00:25:43,125 --> 00:25:45,711 - ♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah, he treats me... ♪ 482 00:25:45,794 --> 00:25:48,547 The only freedom I had was 483 00:25:48,630 --> 00:25:50,591 when the Ikettes and I got the dancing ready 484 00:25:50,674 --> 00:25:52,676 and I got the dresses ready. 485 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:54,303 And we'd get everything, 486 00:25:54,386 --> 00:25:56,513 except we didn't even know what song was coming up. 487 00:25:56,597 --> 00:25:58,223 He would... ♪ Da dum ♪ 488 00:25:58,307 --> 00:26:00,392 Do it with the guitar, you know? 489 00:26:00,476 --> 00:26:03,145 ♪ He ran home, and my man... ♪ 490 00:26:03,228 --> 00:26:06,231 It was awful in a way, but it was a lesson. 491 00:26:06,315 --> 00:26:10,819 Now that I look back, I see it as a training. 492 00:26:10,903 --> 00:26:15,407 You adjust to what is given, 493 00:26:15,574 --> 00:26:18,160 and that is what was given at the time. 494 00:26:18,243 --> 00:26:20,996 [solemn music] 495 00:26:21,205 --> 00:26:23,957 ♪ ♪ 496 00:26:24,041 --> 00:26:26,126 - He controlled the music, and she had to... 497 00:26:26,210 --> 00:26:27,836 it was always his music, and it was... 498 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:29,213 which is very same-y 499 00:26:29,296 --> 00:26:30,714 if you listen to it all the time. 500 00:26:30,798 --> 00:26:33,050 A lot of it is just brilliant. I love those records. 501 00:26:33,133 --> 00:26:35,094 But it's of a type. It's one thing. 502 00:26:35,177 --> 00:26:36,637 It's Ike Turner's stuff. 503 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,181 And she... I think she had broader tastes than that. 504 00:26:39,223 --> 00:26:40,849 She must've felt there was more you could do 505 00:26:40,933 --> 00:26:42,434 with music than this. 506 00:26:42,518 --> 00:26:44,311 I think she probably had a bigger dream than... 507 00:26:44,394 --> 00:26:46,146 without knowing it, than he did. 508 00:26:46,230 --> 00:26:48,690 ♪ ♪ 509 00:26:48,816 --> 00:26:51,276 - People started to see that there was more to Tina 510 00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:53,278 than what Ike had to offer her... 511 00:26:54,113 --> 00:26:55,072 especially after 512 00:26:55,155 --> 00:26:57,366 the "River Deep - Mountain High" album, 513 00:26:57,449 --> 00:26:59,451 you know, with Phil Spector. 514 00:26:59,535 --> 00:27:00,661 - Phil Spector was the greatest 515 00:27:00,744 --> 00:27:02,496 pop record producer of that period. 516 00:27:02,788 --> 00:27:04,957 He played the studio like an instrument, you know, 517 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:06,458 and he found all these singers, 518 00:27:06,542 --> 00:27:08,585 and he made these wonderful records. 519 00:27:08,669 --> 00:27:09,920 And when Phil Spector wanted to make 520 00:27:10,003 --> 00:27:11,463 "River Deep - Mountain High," 521 00:27:11,547 --> 00:27:13,590 Ike's presence was not necessary. 522 00:27:13,674 --> 00:27:15,592 Just bring Tina in because she's the star. 523 00:27:15,676 --> 00:27:16,969 [tape clicks] 524 00:27:17,344 --> 00:27:20,931 - Spector didn't want Ike nowhere near the studio. 525 00:27:21,014 --> 00:27:22,724 So he paid Ike X amount of dollars 526 00:27:22,808 --> 00:27:26,353 to get him... taken care of, so to speak, 527 00:27:26,436 --> 00:27:28,897 so that he wouldn't interfere with Tina. 528 00:27:29,565 --> 00:27:31,692 And that was the first time they gave Tina 529 00:27:32,568 --> 00:27:35,654 her chance to sing differently. 530 00:27:35,737 --> 00:27:38,031 - ♪ Bah, bah, bah-bah, bah ♪ 531 00:27:38,115 --> 00:27:39,825 - I remember 532 00:27:39,908 --> 00:27:42,995 starting to sing with Phil 533 00:27:43,328 --> 00:27:46,999 that style of singing, but which Ike had been singing... 534 00:27:47,082 --> 00:27:49,585 ♪ When I was- One more time. 535 00:27:49,668 --> 00:27:50,878 - And he said, "No, no, no, no, no. 536 00:27:50,961 --> 00:27:52,462 Just sing the melody." 537 00:27:53,505 --> 00:27:54,840 And I liked that. 538 00:27:55,507 --> 00:27:58,260 That was a freedom that I didn't have... 539 00:27:58,802 --> 00:28:01,430 you know, like a bird that gets out of a cage. 540 00:28:02,514 --> 00:28:05,726 I was excited about singing a different type of song. 541 00:28:05,809 --> 00:28:09,021 I was excited about getting out of the studio on my own. 542 00:28:09,104 --> 00:28:12,441 It was a freedom to do something different. 543 00:28:12,524 --> 00:28:15,402 [energetic '60s R&B] 544 00:28:15,485 --> 00:28:17,446 ♪ ♪ 545 00:28:17,529 --> 00:28:20,282 ♪ When I was a little girl ♪ 546 00:28:20,365 --> 00:28:22,367 ♪ I had a rag doll ♪ 547 00:28:23,285 --> 00:28:26,330 ♪ Only doll I've ever owned ♪ 548 00:28:26,622 --> 00:28:29,082 - ♪ Doo, doo, doo-doo ♪ 549 00:28:29,166 --> 00:28:31,752 - ♪ Now I love you just the way ♪ 550 00:28:31,835 --> 00:28:34,004 ♪ I loved that rag doll ♪ 551 00:28:34,963 --> 00:28:37,591 ♪ But only now my love has grown ♪ 552 00:28:39,218 --> 00:28:41,428 ♪ And it gets stronger ♪ 553 00:28:41,845 --> 00:28:44,097 ♪ In every way ♪ 554 00:28:44,681 --> 00:28:47,017 ♪ And it gets deeper ♪ 555 00:28:47,517 --> 00:28:49,686 ♪ Let me say ♪ 556 00:28:50,437 --> 00:28:52,731 ♪ And it gets higher ♪ 557 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,525 ♪ Day by day ♪ 558 00:28:56,443 --> 00:28:59,112 ♪ And do I love you? ♪ 559 00:28:59,279 --> 00:29:01,823 ♪ My, oh, my ♪ 560 00:29:02,241 --> 00:29:04,451 ♪ Yeah, river deep ♪ 561 00:29:04,743 --> 00:29:08,205 ♪ Mountain high, yeah, yeah, yeah ♪ 562 00:29:08,288 --> 00:29:10,332 ♪ And if I lost you ♪ 563 00:29:10,415 --> 00:29:12,793 ♪ Would I cry? ♪ 564 00:29:13,585 --> 00:29:16,380 ♪ Oh, how I love you, baby ♪ 565 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,801 ♪ Baby, baby, baby ♪ 566 00:29:20,884 --> 00:29:22,803 It was so big, 567 00:29:22,886 --> 00:29:25,305 and my voice sounded so different 568 00:29:25,389 --> 00:29:27,683 standing on top of all that music. 569 00:29:27,933 --> 00:29:29,643 ♪ I love you, baby ♪ 570 00:29:29,726 --> 00:29:33,021 ♪ Like a flower loves the spring... ♪ 571 00:29:33,105 --> 00:29:34,648 - People started to see 572 00:29:34,731 --> 00:29:36,733 Tina was capable of so much more. 573 00:29:36,817 --> 00:29:38,527 She had wings, man. 574 00:29:39,319 --> 00:29:40,946 - ♪ And I love you, baby ♪ 575 00:29:41,029 --> 00:29:44,241 ♪ Like a schoolboy loves his pet ♪ 576 00:29:44,533 --> 00:29:47,077 - This is such an overpowering orchestration. 577 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:48,328 It's so complex. 578 00:29:48,412 --> 00:29:50,497 This record, it just blows out walls. 579 00:29:50,580 --> 00:29:51,748 - ♪ Ah ♪ 580 00:29:51,832 --> 00:29:53,667 - ♪ Baby ♪ 581 00:29:54,626 --> 00:29:55,961 ♪ Baby ♪ 582 00:30:00,257 --> 00:30:01,800 ♪ Oh, baby ♪ 583 00:30:02,050 --> 00:30:03,051 ♪ Yow! ♪ 584 00:30:04,928 --> 00:30:07,389 ♪ Oh ♪ 585 00:30:07,472 --> 00:30:09,433 - It just died in the United States. 586 00:30:09,516 --> 00:30:10,809 Died. Nobody wanted to hear it. 587 00:30:10,892 --> 00:30:12,561 And you listen to this record, and you think, 588 00:30:12,644 --> 00:30:14,771 "What's the matter with this country," you know? 589 00:30:14,855 --> 00:30:16,356 "I'm so ashamed to be an American." 590 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,151 [chuckles] You know, it's like, what's wrong? 591 00:30:19,276 --> 00:30:23,405 So that was a big blow to Spector's career, 592 00:30:23,488 --> 00:30:27,367 and, you know, maybe Ike probably was thinking, 593 00:30:27,451 --> 00:30:28,952 you know, "Well, see? 594 00:30:29,036 --> 00:30:30,454 He's not so great." [chuckles] 595 00:30:30,537 --> 00:30:32,164 "You should stick with me." 596 00:30:32,539 --> 00:30:36,251 - Like any Black artist in America that do any tune, 597 00:30:36,335 --> 00:30:38,879 it has to go, like, top ten on the R&B charts 598 00:30:38,962 --> 00:30:41,006 before the top 40 stations will touch it. 599 00:30:41,089 --> 00:30:44,760 And "River Deep" was not a Black record, you know, 600 00:30:44,843 --> 00:30:47,179 and so it wouldn't make the top ten on the R&B charts, 601 00:30:47,262 --> 00:30:48,680 and so, therefore, the top 40 radio stations 602 00:30:48,764 --> 00:30:50,182 wouldn't play it. 603 00:30:50,265 --> 00:30:52,684 Over in England, they listen to the record, 604 00:30:52,768 --> 00:30:55,187 and if the record is a R&B record, it's R&B. 605 00:30:55,270 --> 00:30:56,605 You know, if it's rhythm and blues, 606 00:30:56,688 --> 00:30:58,315 it's rhythm and blues, and if it's pop, it's pop, 607 00:30:58,398 --> 00:30:59,691 you know, and so it got played over here. 608 00:30:59,775 --> 00:31:00,901 It never got played in America. 609 00:31:00,984 --> 00:31:02,152 The Black jockeys say it's too white. 610 00:31:02,235 --> 00:31:03,612 The white jockeys say it's too Black. 611 00:31:03,695 --> 00:31:06,656 ["Contact High"] 612 00:31:06,740 --> 00:31:10,035 [upbeat rock music] 613 00:31:10,118 --> 00:31:11,370 - ♪ I was at this party ♪ 614 00:31:11,453 --> 00:31:13,038 ♪ That had the doors all closed ♪ 615 00:31:13,121 --> 00:31:15,749 ♪ ♪ 616 00:31:15,832 --> 00:31:18,668 ♪ All this funny smoke kept going up my nose ♪ 617 00:31:18,752 --> 00:31:21,380 ♪ ♪ 618 00:31:21,505 --> 00:31:24,383 ♪ They had this joint that they was passing around ♪ 619 00:31:24,466 --> 00:31:26,968 ♪ ♪ 620 00:31:27,052 --> 00:31:30,138 ♪ And when they got to me, I turned it down ♪ 621 00:31:30,222 --> 00:31:32,682 ♪ ♪ 622 00:31:32,766 --> 00:31:33,934 - You live in LA? - Yes. 623 00:31:34,017 --> 00:31:35,769 - What sort of life do you have? 624 00:31:35,852 --> 00:31:38,355 - Well, my life is sort of based around my four sons. 625 00:31:38,438 --> 00:31:39,731 I have a housekeeper that takes care of them 626 00:31:39,815 --> 00:31:40,941 when I travel. 627 00:31:41,024 --> 00:31:42,651 Being a wife and being Tina at the same time 628 00:31:42,734 --> 00:31:44,069 is almost like a split person. 629 00:31:44,152 --> 00:31:45,487 But I'm able to separate the two, 630 00:31:45,570 --> 00:31:47,656 so everything is fine... the whole thing is sane. 631 00:31:47,739 --> 00:31:49,783 ♪ ♪ 632 00:31:49,866 --> 00:31:52,494 ♪ But everybody got tired of blowing that grass ♪ 633 00:31:52,577 --> 00:31:55,622 ♪ ♪ 634 00:31:55,705 --> 00:31:57,040 ♪ I told 'em at first... ♪ 635 00:31:57,124 --> 00:32:00,836 - Ike Jr. and Michael were Ike's kids 636 00:32:00,919 --> 00:32:04,172 by Lorraine, his previous wife. 637 00:32:04,589 --> 00:32:06,091 Tina had Craig 638 00:32:06,174 --> 00:32:08,260 when she was with the saxophone player, 639 00:32:08,343 --> 00:32:10,137 Raymond Hill, 640 00:32:10,220 --> 00:32:13,473 and then she had Ronnie, you know, with Ike. 641 00:32:14,266 --> 00:32:16,351 They were, like, all together by the time I met Tina. 642 00:32:16,435 --> 00:32:18,770 - ♪ Like laid ♪ 643 00:32:18,854 --> 00:32:20,147 Michael, don't stand underneath that door. 644 00:32:20,230 --> 00:32:22,274 Don't lean on that door like that. 645 00:32:23,650 --> 00:32:25,193 I made myself a family. 646 00:32:25,277 --> 00:32:28,613 I totally psyched myself out, and I made a home, 647 00:32:28,697 --> 00:32:30,574 and I found some pleasure in that home 648 00:32:30,657 --> 00:32:32,033 every now and then. 649 00:32:32,159 --> 00:32:34,035 Birthdays with children and dinners, 650 00:32:34,119 --> 00:32:35,787 Thanksgiving dinners, periodically, 651 00:32:35,871 --> 00:32:37,956 but at least I had some sense of a life 652 00:32:38,039 --> 00:32:39,875 of what I had always wanted. 653 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,294 ♪ I was just too stoned to take that drive ♪ 654 00:32:43,253 --> 00:32:46,173 [playing piano] 655 00:32:46,256 --> 00:32:48,049 ♪ ♪ 656 00:32:48,133 --> 00:32:49,468 - Where my trophy at? 657 00:32:49,551 --> 00:32:51,011 Give me my trophy. 658 00:32:51,219 --> 00:32:53,430 That's a water boy trophy. - It's not. 659 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,223 - It's Mother's new trophy. 660 00:32:56,349 --> 00:32:58,810 - She was gone most of the time. 661 00:32:59,436 --> 00:33:01,021 Over a period of eight years, 662 00:33:01,104 --> 00:33:02,647 everything was basically the same. 663 00:33:02,731 --> 00:33:04,774 Eight months on the road, four months back, 664 00:33:04,858 --> 00:33:07,152 eight months on the road, four months back. 665 00:33:07,736 --> 00:33:09,488 She was very, very strict, 666 00:33:09,571 --> 00:33:11,239 particularly when she was home. 667 00:33:11,323 --> 00:33:12,616 We couldn't have company 668 00:33:12,699 --> 00:33:14,117 unless we finished our homework. 669 00:33:14,201 --> 00:33:15,994 We had to do our chores. 670 00:33:16,077 --> 00:33:17,704 We had to eat breakfast, lunch, and dinner 671 00:33:17,787 --> 00:33:19,039 at the same time. 672 00:33:19,122 --> 00:33:22,459 She really took to raising us personally 673 00:33:22,542 --> 00:33:24,878 because, basically, that was her happiness, 674 00:33:24,961 --> 00:33:26,046 to a certain extent. 675 00:33:53,823 --> 00:33:57,452 - Everybody was happy around my mother. 676 00:33:57,536 --> 00:33:59,120 And she was always sad. 677 00:33:59,204 --> 00:34:00,956 She never had friends. 678 00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:03,583 She never had anybody she could really confide in. 679 00:34:03,667 --> 00:34:06,211 So, basically, her happiness was with us 680 00:34:06,294 --> 00:34:08,505 and her time alone in her room. 681 00:34:08,588 --> 00:34:09,965 And there was nothing she can do 682 00:34:10,048 --> 00:34:11,675 about her circumstances. 683 00:34:12,842 --> 00:34:15,095 He had to know where she was at all the time. 684 00:34:15,178 --> 00:34:17,597 She was on allowance. She didn't have her own money. 685 00:34:18,139 --> 00:34:20,267 My mother really had a non-existent life 686 00:34:20,350 --> 00:34:23,270 other than the studio and the house. 687 00:34:26,856 --> 00:34:29,568 - When I first interviewed her, 688 00:34:29,651 --> 00:34:31,570 one of the questions she kept on asking was, 689 00:34:31,653 --> 00:34:33,363 "Why did I stay? Why did I stay? 690 00:34:33,446 --> 00:34:35,407 People want to know why I stayed." 691 00:34:35,490 --> 00:34:38,285 And for me, it was interesting 692 00:34:38,368 --> 00:34:42,455 to think about the violence that happened before Ike, 693 00:34:42,539 --> 00:34:44,624 'cause I think a lot of people don't know 694 00:34:44,708 --> 00:34:48,420 that she grew up watching violence in her own home. 695 00:36:29,312 --> 00:36:31,940 [bluesy rock music] 696 00:36:32,023 --> 00:36:33,233 Right now... 697 00:36:33,525 --> 00:36:36,111 [applause] 698 00:36:36,194 --> 00:36:38,905 I think you might like to hear something from us... 699 00:36:38,988 --> 00:36:41,783 - ♪ Left a good job- Nice and easy. 700 00:36:41,866 --> 00:36:44,661 - ♪ Down in the city[cheers and applause] 701 00:36:44,744 --> 00:36:46,204 ♪ Working for the man ♪ 702 00:36:46,287 --> 00:36:48,164 - Well, now... - ♪ Every night and day ♪ 703 00:36:48,248 --> 00:36:50,458 - I'd like to do that for you, 704 00:36:50,834 --> 00:36:53,545 but there's just one thing, you see. 705 00:36:53,628 --> 00:36:56,297 We never, ever do nothing 706 00:36:57,340 --> 00:36:59,008 nice and easy. 707 00:36:59,968 --> 00:37:01,302 [chuckles] 708 00:37:01,970 --> 00:37:05,974 We always do it nice and rough. 709 00:37:06,057 --> 00:37:08,143 ♪ ♪ 710 00:37:08,268 --> 00:37:10,603 Now, we're gonna take the beginning of this song, 711 00:37:10,770 --> 00:37:12,063 and we're gonna do it... 712 00:37:12,147 --> 00:37:14,774 - ♪ And we rolling- Easy. 713 00:37:14,858 --> 00:37:16,568 Both: ♪ Rolling ♪ 714 00:37:17,444 --> 00:37:20,238 ♪ Rolling on the river ♪ 715 00:37:20,321 --> 00:37:21,990 - ♪ My, my- Listen. 716 00:37:23,032 --> 00:37:25,118 ♪ I left a good job ♪ 717 00:37:25,201 --> 00:37:27,162 ♪ In the city... ♪ - ♪ Down in the city... ♪ 718 00:37:49,684 --> 00:37:53,563 - ♪ Proud Mary keep on burning ♪ 719 00:37:54,189 --> 00:37:56,357 ♪ And we're rolling... ♪ 720 00:37:56,524 --> 00:37:59,068 I was truly a friend to Ike. 721 00:37:59,694 --> 00:38:01,488 I had promised that I would help him. 722 00:38:01,571 --> 00:38:03,656 ♪ Rolling on the river ♪ 723 00:38:03,740 --> 00:38:05,533 So I was still trying to help him 724 00:38:05,617 --> 00:38:07,118 to get a hit record. 725 00:38:07,619 --> 00:38:11,372 All: ♪ ...river ♪ 726 00:38:11,456 --> 00:38:12,582 - Two, three, four! 727 00:38:12,665 --> 00:38:15,752 [energetic R&B music, cheers and applause] 728 00:38:15,835 --> 00:38:19,464 ♪ ♪ 729 00:38:22,634 --> 00:38:25,303 - ♪ Now, I left a good job in the city ♪ 730 00:38:25,637 --> 00:38:28,056 ♪ Working for the man every night and day ♪ 731 00:38:28,556 --> 00:38:31,017 ♪ And I never lost one minute of sleeping ♪ 732 00:38:31,142 --> 00:38:33,520 ♪ Worried 'bout the way things might have been ♪ 733 00:38:33,937 --> 00:38:36,731 ♪ Big wheel keep on turning ♪ singers: ♪ Turning ♪ 734 00:38:36,815 --> 00:38:38,525 - ♪ Proud Mary keep on burning ♪ 735 00:38:38,608 --> 00:38:39,734 singers: ♪ Burning ♪ all: ♪ Rolling ♪ 736 00:38:39,818 --> 00:38:41,069 - ♪ Yeah ♪ all: ♪ Rolling ♪ 737 00:38:41,194 --> 00:38:43,530 - ♪ Rolling ♪ all: ♪ Rolling on the river ♪ 738 00:38:43,613 --> 00:38:45,824 - ♪ I said we're rolling ♪ - ♪ Rolling ♪ 739 00:38:45,907 --> 00:38:46,991 all: ♪ Rolling ♪ - ♪ Yeah ♪ 740 00:38:47,075 --> 00:38:48,868 all: ♪ Rolling on the river ♪ 741 00:38:49,577 --> 00:38:52,205 ♪ River, do, do, do, do, do, do, do ♪ 742 00:38:52,288 --> 00:38:53,498 ♪ Do, do, do ♪ 743 00:38:53,581 --> 00:38:59,587 ♪ ♪ 744 00:39:02,173 --> 00:39:04,092 - "Proud Mary" became a hit. 745 00:39:04,175 --> 00:39:06,511 We were all over America. 746 00:39:06,594 --> 00:39:09,055 ♪ And I pumped a lot of 'tane down in New Orleans ♪ 747 00:39:09,222 --> 00:39:11,766 ♪ But I never saw the good side of the city ♪ 748 00:39:11,933 --> 00:39:14,352 ♪ Till I hitched a ride on the riverboat queen... ♪ 749 00:39:14,435 --> 00:39:16,688 - That's just fabulous. That's fabulous. 750 00:39:17,814 --> 00:39:19,566 - Who settles an argument if you... 751 00:39:19,649 --> 00:39:20,942 - Ah. 752 00:39:21,359 --> 00:39:23,444 Things are not always the way they look, you know. 753 00:39:23,528 --> 00:39:24,988 - No. Ike's kind of quiet. 754 00:39:25,071 --> 00:39:27,115 - Yeah, he's... Ike is very bashful 755 00:39:27,198 --> 00:39:28,825 when the lights are on, and... 756 00:39:28,908 --> 00:39:30,869 [laughter] 757 00:39:31,578 --> 00:39:32,871 But on the other hand, 758 00:39:32,954 --> 00:39:34,289 when he's in the recording studio, 759 00:39:34,372 --> 00:39:36,416 Ike's the one that does all of the ruling around, 760 00:39:36,499 --> 00:39:38,626 the talking, he's the whole thing. 761 00:39:38,710 --> 00:39:40,169 - But in public, he's like this. 762 00:39:40,211 --> 00:39:41,504 - Yeah, 'cause he can't get it together. 763 00:39:41,588 --> 00:39:43,172 Takes him... [laughter] 764 00:40:08,573 --> 00:40:10,241 ♪ You better do it, we're rolling... ♪ 765 00:40:15,830 --> 00:40:17,040 ♪ Rolling ♪ - ♪ Rolling ♪ 766 00:40:17,123 --> 00:40:18,666 all: ♪ Rolling on the river ♪ 767 00:40:18,750 --> 00:40:20,710 - ♪ Go ahead, ah... ♪ 768 00:40:27,592 --> 00:40:31,054 [singing indistinctly] 769 00:40:33,514 --> 00:40:34,974 ♪ Hey ♪ 770 00:40:35,683 --> 00:40:37,268 [music fades] 771 00:40:48,529 --> 00:40:51,366 [singing indistinctly] 772 00:40:53,826 --> 00:40:56,037 - I swear you're behind me. Y'all behind me. 773 00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:57,455 These are all... 774 00:40:57,538 --> 00:41:00,500 I'm on a speed above where y'all feeling at. 775 00:41:00,583 --> 00:41:02,669 - You're saying on him, too? - Y'all hear me? 776 00:41:10,802 --> 00:41:12,553 I'm just saying, like, you're telling her that, 777 00:41:12,637 --> 00:41:13,805 and she's not getting there. 778 00:41:13,888 --> 00:41:15,682 I'm just trying to give her an example... 779 00:41:16,099 --> 00:41:17,433 of how to sing. 780 00:41:18,184 --> 00:41:19,769 - Okay. Turn it off. 781 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,788 [solemn music] 782 00:41:38,871 --> 00:41:40,373 - In the later part of their career, 783 00:41:40,456 --> 00:41:42,208 when, you know, the hits weren't coming 784 00:41:42,291 --> 00:41:43,876 and a lot of the money wasn't coming in, 785 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,421 he started placing the blame elsewhere. 786 00:41:46,504 --> 00:41:48,840 You know, he took a lot of his anger out on her. 787 00:41:48,923 --> 00:41:51,050 ♪ ♪ 788 00:41:51,134 --> 00:41:54,512 Most of the time, when Ike would come home, 789 00:41:54,595 --> 00:41:56,305 he would take her back in the room 790 00:41:56,389 --> 00:41:57,807 and then close the door, 791 00:41:57,890 --> 00:41:59,892 and there'd be the screams. 792 00:42:00,101 --> 00:42:02,228 And we were so petrified, we were in bed 793 00:42:02,311 --> 00:42:04,522 with the, you know, covers over our heads. 794 00:42:04,981 --> 00:42:08,234 And then I remember one time, he was... 795 00:42:08,693 --> 00:42:10,695 [sighs, clears throat] 796 00:42:12,905 --> 00:42:15,324 [voice breaking] He was striking my mother. 797 00:42:16,034 --> 00:42:17,452 And I was young. 798 00:42:17,535 --> 00:42:19,162 And he had thrown 799 00:42:19,245 --> 00:42:21,956 some scalding hot coffee on her. 800 00:42:23,833 --> 00:42:25,752 And I went and banged on the door, 801 00:42:27,253 --> 00:42:28,629 and I said, "Mother." 802 00:42:28,713 --> 00:42:30,339 And then it stopped, and then she said, 803 00:42:30,423 --> 00:42:31,591 "Craig, I'm okay." 804 00:42:33,384 --> 00:42:35,344 He came to apologize, 805 00:42:36,012 --> 00:42:39,015 and he apologized for the third-degree burn 806 00:42:39,098 --> 00:42:40,349 but didn't apologize 807 00:42:40,433 --> 00:42:41,768 for throwing the coffee on her. 808 00:42:41,851 --> 00:42:43,603 At that point in time, I hated that man 809 00:42:43,686 --> 00:42:45,271 for the rest of my life. 810 00:42:45,605 --> 00:42:47,690 And I'll never forget that. 811 00:42:47,774 --> 00:42:48,900 Never. 812 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:54,280 ♪ ♪ 813 00:43:01,204 --> 00:43:05,083 ♪ ♪ 814 00:43:06,250 --> 00:43:08,336 I had began to not really care. 815 00:43:08,419 --> 00:43:10,922 ♪ ♪ 816 00:43:11,089 --> 00:43:12,673 And I was there alone. 817 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:15,760 How can I tell you what alone meant? 818 00:43:15,843 --> 00:43:20,807 ♪ ♪ 819 00:43:46,290 --> 00:43:49,043 - [indistinct singing] - [laughs] 820 00:43:58,511 --> 00:44:00,179 All: ♪ Tell me, have you seen him? ♪ 821 00:44:00,263 --> 00:44:01,889 - [laughs] 822 00:44:13,901 --> 00:44:17,655 ♪ ♪ 823 00:44:18,364 --> 00:44:21,075 - We got to the hospital. They pumped her stomach. 824 00:44:21,159 --> 00:44:23,077 And I think Ike was out talking to the doctor 825 00:44:23,161 --> 00:44:24,787 or something, 826 00:44:24,871 --> 00:44:26,539 and I was in there, just her and I, 827 00:44:26,622 --> 00:44:28,875 and I was scared shitless, and I thought, 828 00:44:28,958 --> 00:44:31,043 "Tina, you can't die. I mean, come on, now." 829 00:44:31,127 --> 00:44:32,420 It just really scared me 830 00:44:32,503 --> 00:44:35,089 'cause I didn't know what had ha... you know, 831 00:44:35,173 --> 00:44:37,925 if she was gonna pull through or not. 832 00:44:38,009 --> 00:44:43,556 ♪ ♪ 833 00:45:05,369 --> 00:45:07,246 - These are some difficult questions now, 834 00:45:07,330 --> 00:45:10,333 and there was a time where she was unhappy, 835 00:45:10,416 --> 00:45:12,168 and there was a suicide attempt. 836 00:45:12,251 --> 00:45:13,794 Can you talk about her unhappiness 837 00:45:13,878 --> 00:45:15,421 and how that made you feel? 838 00:45:20,092 --> 00:45:22,470 - Well, I can't really say how I felt 839 00:45:22,553 --> 00:45:25,681 because I never knew how she felt. 840 00:45:25,765 --> 00:45:29,685 I didn't know why she attempted suicide, 841 00:45:29,769 --> 00:45:32,146 because I thought maybe that it was a... 842 00:45:34,774 --> 00:45:36,150 Well... 843 00:45:38,152 --> 00:45:40,071 let me start this again. 844 00:45:40,154 --> 00:45:43,157 At first, Tina attempting suicide 845 00:45:43,241 --> 00:45:45,201 two or three times, 846 00:45:45,534 --> 00:45:48,663 I think that this was some form of attention. 847 00:45:49,413 --> 00:45:52,708 She was unhappy about the things that I was doing, 848 00:45:52,792 --> 00:45:54,502 me being a womanizer, 849 00:45:54,543 --> 00:45:56,212 being with all these women and stuff like this, 850 00:45:56,295 --> 00:45:58,172 and I think that 851 00:45:58,256 --> 00:46:00,132 the real truth is that 852 00:46:00,216 --> 00:46:03,636 she was trying to be something that she wasn't. 853 00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,347 She was... wait a minute. I want to clarify this. 854 00:46:06,430 --> 00:46:08,933 She was trying to be 855 00:46:09,183 --> 00:46:11,227 what she thought I wanted... 856 00:46:11,310 --> 00:46:13,562 not what she really was. 857 00:46:13,646 --> 00:46:15,231 She was trying to please me. 858 00:46:15,314 --> 00:46:17,858 And so, therefore, she was going through a lot of hurt, 859 00:46:17,942 --> 00:46:19,527 and I think she had a very unhappy life 860 00:46:19,610 --> 00:46:20,695 because of that. 861 00:46:20,778 --> 00:46:22,321 I think we were living a lie, 862 00:46:22,405 --> 00:46:25,533 and if I had done used my head any at all, 863 00:46:25,616 --> 00:46:27,451 I would've known better. 864 00:46:27,827 --> 00:46:32,164 And so this is what led to our downfall. 865 00:46:36,085 --> 00:46:38,921 [soft music] 866 00:46:39,088 --> 00:46:40,965 ♪ ♪ 867 00:47:30,348 --> 00:47:33,184 [bell chimes] 868 00:47:35,061 --> 00:47:38,022 - Buddhism was a way out. 869 00:47:38,731 --> 00:47:40,524 And it changed your attitude 870 00:47:40,608 --> 00:47:43,527 towards the situation that you're in. 871 00:47:43,611 --> 00:47:45,446 The more you chant, the more, you know, 872 00:47:45,529 --> 00:47:48,032 you become liberated mentally. 873 00:47:58,667 --> 00:48:01,545 [chanting] 874 00:48:15,976 --> 00:48:17,978 [cheers and applause] 875 00:48:25,319 --> 00:48:26,695 [chanting] 876 00:48:26,779 --> 00:48:28,531 [cheers and applause] 877 00:48:28,614 --> 00:48:29,740 [laughter] 878 00:48:30,825 --> 00:48:32,451 [laughter] 879 00:48:40,251 --> 00:48:44,296 - ♪ Yo ♪ 880 00:48:44,505 --> 00:48:45,589 Hey! 881 00:48:45,673 --> 00:48:47,633 Crowd: ♪ Yo ♪ 882 00:48:52,763 --> 00:48:55,683 - [groans oddly] 883 00:48:55,766 --> 00:48:58,561 [singing a chant] 884 00:48:58,644 --> 00:48:59,770 Hey! 885 00:48:59,854 --> 00:49:01,480 [crowd sings] 886 00:49:01,564 --> 00:49:05,025 [chanting] 887 00:49:12,658 --> 00:49:14,368 - ♪ Every woman ♪ singers: ♪ Just a little bit ♪ 888 00:49:14,577 --> 00:49:17,204 - ♪ Hey, hey, every move, girl ♪ 889 00:49:17,288 --> 00:49:18,873 ♪ You've got to have a little respect ♪ 890 00:49:19,665 --> 00:49:20,624 singers: ♪ Just a little bit ♪ 891 00:49:20,708 --> 00:49:22,585 - Ike had recognized it, too, 892 00:49:22,668 --> 00:49:25,337 that he couldn't control her anymore, 893 00:49:25,421 --> 00:49:27,673 because she just wasn't putting up with any of that. 894 00:49:27,756 --> 00:49:28,841 - Right now... 895 00:49:29,925 --> 00:49:31,677 I'm gonna talk about respect... 896 00:49:32,386 --> 00:49:33,679 because, you see, 897 00:49:35,181 --> 00:49:36,891 respect is what I want. 898 00:49:38,309 --> 00:49:40,394 I think it's what most of us want. 899 00:49:41,061 --> 00:49:43,814 But, you know, we don't always get what we want, 900 00:49:44,356 --> 00:49:45,858 especially us women. 901 00:49:45,941 --> 00:49:47,568 [cheers and applause] 902 00:49:47,651 --> 00:49:49,320 Tonight I'm gonna speak for us women, you see, 903 00:49:49,403 --> 00:49:51,489 because, somehow, 904 00:49:52,198 --> 00:49:54,867 the men always manage to get 905 00:49:54,950 --> 00:49:56,619 what they want. 906 00:49:57,077 --> 00:49:58,370 That's right. 907 00:49:58,746 --> 00:50:00,498 They do what they want to do 908 00:50:01,624 --> 00:50:03,626 whenever they want to do it. 909 00:50:03,709 --> 00:50:05,377 And you know what? 910 00:50:06,003 --> 00:50:08,964 They do it with whoever they want to do it with. 911 00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,301 Now, fellas, you've started us women to thinking. 912 00:50:12,510 --> 00:50:14,345 Yeah, we can think, too. 913 00:50:14,470 --> 00:50:18,390 We think that whatever's out there in the streets 914 00:50:18,474 --> 00:50:20,142 must be good... 915 00:50:20,643 --> 00:50:23,646 'cause you mens been out there a long time. 916 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,191 Now us women wants to go out there and get us some, too. 917 00:50:27,274 --> 00:50:28,484 [chuckles] 918 00:50:28,567 --> 00:50:29,860 But I want you to... 919 00:50:30,194 --> 00:50:31,612 ♪ To get together ♪ 920 00:50:31,862 --> 00:50:34,156 ♪ I want you to try to feel it ♪ 921 00:50:34,698 --> 00:50:35,866 ♪ Try to feel it ♪ 922 00:50:35,991 --> 00:50:38,285 ♪ And I want everybody ♪ singers: ♪ Just a little bit ♪ 923 00:50:38,369 --> 00:50:39,954 - ♪ To do a soul clap ♪ singers: ♪ Just a little bit ♪ 924 00:50:40,037 --> 00:50:41,622 - ♪ Clap your hands ♪ singers: ♪ Just a little bit ♪ 925 00:50:41,705 --> 00:50:43,123 - ♪ Everybody ♪ singers: ♪ Just a little bit ♪ 926 00:50:43,207 --> 00:50:46,126 - ♪ Clap, clap, clap your hands, everybody ♪ 927 00:50:46,460 --> 00:50:49,255 [frenetic R&B music] 928 00:50:49,338 --> 00:50:52,967 ♪ ♪ 929 00:50:53,050 --> 00:50:54,635 ♪ Ow! ♪ singers: ♪ Just a little bit ♪ 930 00:50:54,718 --> 00:50:56,428 - ♪ A little respect ♪ singers: ♪ Just a little bit ♪ 931 00:50:56,512 --> 00:50:58,389 - ♪ Oh ♪ singers: ♪ Just a little bit ♪ 932 00:50:58,472 --> 00:51:00,182 ♪ Just a little bit ♪ - Sock it to me. 933 00:51:00,266 --> 00:51:01,850 ♪ Now get on ♪ 934 00:51:02,476 --> 00:51:04,270 ♪ Child ♪ singers: ♪ Just a little bit ♪ 935 00:51:04,353 --> 00:51:05,688 - ♪ Hey ♪ singers: ♪ Just a little bit ♪ 936 00:51:05,771 --> 00:51:06,939 - ♪ Clap your hands ♪ 937 00:51:07,022 --> 00:51:08,190 ♪ Now, come on ♪ 938 00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,025 ♪ Clap your hands ♪ 939 00:51:10,109 --> 00:51:11,819 ♪ That's what I mean ♪ 940 00:51:11,902 --> 00:51:13,153 ♪ Oh, yeah[crowd roaring] 941 00:51:13,237 --> 00:51:14,363 ♪ Oh, yeah ♪ 942 00:51:42,266 --> 00:51:43,475 - Okay, okay. 943 00:51:53,319 --> 00:51:55,988 [airplane engine roars] 944 00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:59,033 [tense music] 945 00:52:28,395 --> 00:52:33,233 ♪ ♪ 946 00:53:48,642 --> 00:53:52,020 The memory of that was horrendous, of course, 947 00:53:52,104 --> 00:53:54,898 because I was practically run over by a truck. 948 00:53:54,982 --> 00:53:56,650 I didn't... I didn't... 949 00:53:56,734 --> 00:53:58,360 well, I wasn't thinking clearly, of course. 950 00:53:58,444 --> 00:54:01,947 And so I thought at that point was a time when I could cross, 951 00:54:02,030 --> 00:54:04,825 but, you know, I had felt like I was moving slow, 952 00:54:04,908 --> 00:54:06,577 and there was that big truck, 953 00:54:06,660 --> 00:54:08,203 really one of the big ones coming, 954 00:54:08,287 --> 00:54:09,621 and the horn blew. 955 00:54:09,705 --> 00:54:11,457 "Rah," right? [horn blares] 956 00:54:11,540 --> 00:54:15,419 And what I mostly remember 957 00:54:15,502 --> 00:54:16,837 is flashing lights. 958 00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:18,297 [horns blaring] 959 00:54:18,881 --> 00:54:23,177 [triumphant music] 960 00:54:23,260 --> 00:54:29,266 ♪ ♪ 961 00:54:38,942 --> 00:54:41,862 [chanting] 962 00:54:41,945 --> 00:54:45,407 ♪ ♪ 963 00:55:43,423 --> 00:55:46,343 [soft music] 964 00:55:46,426 --> 00:55:51,348 ♪ ♪ 965 00:55:51,473 --> 00:55:53,725 The next day, it was the Fourth of July, 966 00:55:53,809 --> 00:55:55,602 and I said, "Of course, the Fourth of July." 967 00:55:55,686 --> 00:55:58,063 But I'll remember every time, "Oh, the Fourth of July. 968 00:55:58,146 --> 00:56:00,274 It's when I got my freedom." 969 00:56:01,149 --> 00:56:04,862 ♪ ♪ 970 00:56:04,987 --> 00:56:07,865 [fireworks crackling] 971 00:56:07,948 --> 00:56:13,704 ♪ ♪ 972 00:56:36,393 --> 00:56:39,855 The divorce was clean-cut. 973 00:56:39,938 --> 00:56:41,565 I got nothing. 974 00:56:41,648 --> 00:56:43,442 No money, no house, no car. 975 00:57:13,305 --> 00:57:16,141 That is when I realized that I could use Tina 976 00:57:16,224 --> 00:57:17,976 to become... 977 00:57:18,977 --> 00:57:20,312 a business. 978 00:57:21,980 --> 00:57:24,191 And so I said, "I'll just take my name." 979 00:57:26,735 --> 00:57:28,153 Ike fought a little bit 980 00:57:28,236 --> 00:57:30,405 because he knew what I would do with it. 981 00:57:30,781 --> 00:57:33,450 And it was through court that I got it. 982 00:57:33,700 --> 00:57:34,868 Tina. 983 00:57:39,289 --> 00:57:42,376 - To keep it is to reclaim it, 984 00:57:42,459 --> 00:57:45,087 reshape it, refine it. 985 00:57:47,130 --> 00:57:49,841 Also a kind of, like, "fuck you" to Ike. 986 00:57:49,925 --> 00:57:52,761 "Yeah, you gave me this name, 987 00:57:52,844 --> 00:57:55,514 but watch what I build with it." 988 00:57:55,639 --> 00:57:58,684 ["Root Toot Undisputable Rock 'n' Roller"] 989 00:57:58,767 --> 00:58:01,645 [funky rock music] 990 00:58:01,728 --> 00:58:03,397 ♪ ♪ 991 00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:06,024 - ♪ When you walk into the bar ♪ 992 00:58:06,108 --> 00:58:08,360 ♪ I'm the first one you're gonna see ♪ 993 00:58:10,237 --> 00:58:12,781 ♪ Business and pleasure just don't mix ♪ 994 00:58:12,864 --> 00:58:15,492 ♪ So can I take your order, please? ♪ 995 00:58:17,285 --> 00:58:20,080 ♪ You fellas know I don't take no mess ♪ 996 00:58:20,163 --> 00:58:22,416 ♪ It's a whole lotta woman ♪ 997 00:58:22,499 --> 00:58:25,043 ♪ In this dress ♪ 998 00:58:25,502 --> 00:58:27,754 ♪ Oh, they call me ♪ 999 00:58:27,838 --> 00:58:29,506 ♪ A root, toot ♪ 1000 00:58:29,589 --> 00:58:33,010 ♪ Undisputable rock and roller ♪ 1001 00:58:33,093 --> 00:58:34,177 singers: ♪ Roller ♪ 1002 00:58:34,261 --> 00:58:36,346 - ♪ I got a fine fanny ♪ 1003 00:58:36,430 --> 00:58:38,223 ♪ But a rough-talking Annie ♪ 1004 00:58:38,306 --> 00:58:40,183 ♪ Rock and roller ♪ 1005 00:58:41,268 --> 00:58:42,310 ♪ Oh! ♪ 1006 00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:44,813 I realized I had to go to work. 1007 00:58:44,896 --> 00:58:46,773 I mean, I couldn't just stay there 1008 00:58:46,857 --> 00:58:48,400 and wait for what? 1009 00:58:48,483 --> 00:58:49,818 I had to work. 1010 00:58:50,027 --> 00:58:51,153 - After Tina left Ike, 1011 00:58:51,486 --> 00:58:53,488 somebody had to pay for the dates they blew 1012 00:58:53,572 --> 00:58:55,949 and Tina wound up with all the bills, 1013 00:58:56,033 --> 00:58:57,117 none of the money. 1014 00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:58,702 She would go do Vegas. 1015 00:58:58,785 --> 00:59:00,495 She'd go do, like, McDonald's conventions. 1016 00:59:00,579 --> 00:59:01,913 She'd play anywhere 1017 00:59:01,997 --> 00:59:04,082 just to make the money to get by. 1018 00:59:04,166 --> 00:59:06,710 - ♪ Everybody knows to keep it cool... ♪ 1019 00:59:07,002 --> 00:59:09,713 - Ike wasn't paying anything at that point. 1020 00:59:09,796 --> 00:59:12,007 So she's got to support herself and the kids. 1021 00:59:13,383 --> 00:59:15,594 So that's when I started booking television shows. 1022 00:59:15,635 --> 00:59:16,928 I mean, we were doing everything 1023 00:59:17,012 --> 00:59:18,346 from "The Brady Bunch"... 1024 00:59:19,806 --> 00:59:21,558 - ♪ Too many nights ♪ 1025 00:59:21,641 --> 00:59:23,143 - To "Hollywood Squares"... 1026 00:59:23,226 --> 00:59:24,728 - In "The Hollywood Squares." 1027 00:59:24,811 --> 00:59:26,688 - Whatever TV shows we could get her on, 1028 00:59:26,772 --> 00:59:28,857 because that was the only source of income at that point. 1029 00:59:28,940 --> 00:59:30,358 - Ike and Tina. Where's Ike? 1030 00:59:30,442 --> 00:59:31,902 [laughs] - I don't know. 1031 00:59:31,985 --> 00:59:33,862 [laughter] 1032 00:59:34,071 --> 00:59:35,781 - So nice to have you on the show, Tina. 1033 00:59:35,864 --> 00:59:36,865 - Thank you. 1034 00:59:36,948 --> 00:59:39,659 - What I remember is, there was always the shadow 1035 00:59:39,743 --> 00:59:41,578 of Ike Turner. 1036 00:59:42,746 --> 00:59:46,500 It was really hard for her, you know. 1037 00:59:46,583 --> 00:59:47,876 - Is it all right for me to ask you 1038 00:59:47,959 --> 00:59:50,420 if you and Ike are together or separated 1039 00:59:50,504 --> 00:59:52,339 or divorced or... 1040 00:59:52,672 --> 00:59:54,382 - Separated and divorced. [laughs] 1041 00:59:54,466 --> 00:59:56,009 - Separated and divorced? 1042 00:59:56,093 --> 00:59:57,511 - Yeah. We are divorced. 1043 00:59:57,594 --> 00:59:59,262 - Yeah, it took a while... 1044 00:59:59,346 --> 01:00:01,014 - Oh, yes. - For you to decide? 1045 01:00:01,098 --> 01:00:03,600 - Well, yes. It was... I mean, we're family. 1046 01:00:03,683 --> 01:00:06,061 We'd been together for, like, 16 years. 1047 01:00:06,144 --> 01:00:08,939 - Ike and Tina Turner, that was a unit. 1048 01:00:09,022 --> 01:00:11,108 - People still call me Ike and Tina. 1049 01:00:11,191 --> 01:00:12,943 - Ike and Tina? - Yeah, they do. 1050 01:00:13,026 --> 01:00:15,904 - He triggered a lot of trauma... 1051 01:00:15,987 --> 01:00:18,156 just the thought of him, 1052 01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:20,117 you know, 'cause there was a lot. 1053 01:00:20,492 --> 01:00:21,952 But she's a professional. 1054 01:00:22,035 --> 01:00:23,829 She'd get onstage, you'd never know 1055 01:00:23,912 --> 01:00:25,413 anything was up... 1056 01:00:25,789 --> 01:00:27,124 ever. 1057 01:00:27,207 --> 01:00:28,834 - All right, five, six, seven, eight. 1058 01:00:28,917 --> 01:00:30,335 ♪ Bop, hey ♪ 1059 01:00:30,418 --> 01:00:32,295 ♪ I hear music in the ♪ 1060 01:00:32,379 --> 01:00:34,464 all: ♪ I hear music ♪ 1061 01:00:35,006 --> 01:00:37,134 - ♪ Then let me know ♪ 1062 01:00:37,217 --> 01:00:40,679 ♪ There's a party going down ♪ 1063 01:00:40,762 --> 01:00:42,514 ♪ Da-nah-nah-nah ♪ 1064 01:00:42,597 --> 01:00:43,765 ♪ Da-nah-nah-nah ♪ 1065 01:00:43,849 --> 01:00:46,518 [singing percussion] 1066 01:00:46,601 --> 01:00:48,311 I was becoming stagnant. 1067 01:00:48,395 --> 01:00:50,272 I knew that there was something else. 1068 01:00:50,355 --> 01:00:51,982 And I realized I wasn't going anywhere. 1069 01:00:52,065 --> 01:00:53,650 I'd be in Las Vegas all my life. 1070 01:00:53,733 --> 01:00:54,985 Five, six, seven, eight. 1071 01:00:55,068 --> 01:00:56,653 Take two, two, three, four... 1072 01:00:56,736 --> 01:00:59,114 I was ready to get out there. 1073 01:00:59,197 --> 01:01:00,657 This is fine, what you got so far, 1074 01:01:00,740 --> 01:01:02,868 but it's not good enough. 1075 01:01:02,951 --> 01:01:04,661 Well, then the next question is, 1076 01:01:04,744 --> 01:01:06,872 but you'd have to get someone to organize that. 1077 01:01:06,955 --> 01:01:10,000 That is when Roger came into picture. 1078 01:01:11,418 --> 01:01:14,713 All: ♪ Somebody's gonna hurt someone ♪ 1079 01:01:15,547 --> 01:01:18,133 ♪ Before the night is through ♪ 1080 01:01:18,466 --> 01:01:20,427 ♪ ♪ 1081 01:01:20,510 --> 01:01:22,721 - Well, I was working with Olivia Newton-John, 1082 01:01:22,804 --> 01:01:25,098 and we were doing a television special 1083 01:01:25,182 --> 01:01:26,558 called "Hollywood Nights," 1084 01:01:26,641 --> 01:01:29,519 and Olivia had this desire to have 1085 01:01:29,603 --> 01:01:31,646 really strong female singers back her 1086 01:01:31,730 --> 01:01:33,273 in one or two songs. 1087 01:01:33,356 --> 01:01:35,150 - ♪ If it takes all night ♪ 1088 01:01:35,483 --> 01:01:37,819 - We had a list of people we asked. 1089 01:01:37,903 --> 01:01:39,863 Toni Tennille, Captain and Tennille, 1090 01:01:39,946 --> 01:01:41,781 I think Peaches was in it, 1091 01:01:41,865 --> 01:01:43,408 Tina Turner. 1092 01:01:43,491 --> 01:01:45,410 And that's when I first met Tina. 1093 01:01:46,286 --> 01:01:49,080 All: ♪ There's gonna be a heartache tonight ♪ 1094 01:01:49,372 --> 01:01:52,250 ♪ A heartache tonight, I know ♪ 1095 01:01:53,001 --> 01:01:54,127 - ♪ Yes, I know ♪ 1096 01:01:54,628 --> 01:01:57,422 all: ♪ There's gonna be a heartache tonight... ♪ 1097 01:01:57,505 --> 01:01:59,090 - I remember when I walked in to Roger's office, 1098 01:01:59,174 --> 01:02:00,425 he looked at me. 1099 01:02:00,967 --> 01:02:02,677 I will never forget that look. 1100 01:02:02,761 --> 01:02:04,095 It was in wonder. 1101 01:02:04,179 --> 01:02:05,889 Like, "How old is she? 1102 01:02:05,972 --> 01:02:08,350 What can I do with her?" All of that. 1103 01:02:08,433 --> 01:02:10,769 And then I said, "I simply want a manager. 1104 01:02:10,852 --> 01:02:12,437 "I don't know what to do. I need to work. 1105 01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:13,813 I want to work." 1106 01:02:13,897 --> 01:02:17,108 And then he said, "I need to see what you do." 1107 01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:20,737 And so I said, "Well, I'm opening in San Francisco." 1108 01:02:20,820 --> 01:02:22,489 ♪ Now you've heard my story ♪ 1109 01:02:24,157 --> 01:02:26,534 ♪ You heard every word I sang ♪ 1110 01:02:27,244 --> 01:02:29,496 - They were doing a two-week residency 1111 01:02:29,579 --> 01:02:31,831 at the Fairmont Hotel in San Francisco, 1112 01:02:31,915 --> 01:02:33,083 two shows a night. 1113 01:02:33,166 --> 01:02:35,001 - ♪ Fahrenheit or centigrade ♪ 1114 01:02:35,085 --> 01:02:36,878 ♪ They give us fever ♪ 1115 01:02:37,087 --> 01:02:39,631 [cheers and applause] 1116 01:02:39,714 --> 01:02:41,258 - The first show was supper. 1117 01:02:41,341 --> 01:02:42,634 You know, everyone eating dinner, 1118 01:02:42,717 --> 01:02:44,761 and I'm, like, going, "Christ," you know... 1119 01:02:44,844 --> 01:02:46,346 - ♪ Fever ♪ 1120 01:02:46,429 --> 01:02:47,639 - It was very cabaret, 1121 01:02:47,722 --> 01:02:49,391 and they did a lot of cover versions. 1122 01:02:49,474 --> 01:02:52,602 I didn't react that excited... [laughs] 1123 01:02:52,727 --> 01:02:54,688 'Cause I didn't think I could do anything with her. 1124 01:02:54,771 --> 01:02:56,481 - ♪ ...lovely way to burn ♪ 1125 01:02:57,482 --> 01:02:59,901 ♪ Oh, what a lovely way to burn ♪ 1126 01:02:59,985 --> 01:03:01,778 [energetic rock music] 1127 01:03:01,861 --> 01:03:04,739 [cheers and applause] 1128 01:03:04,823 --> 01:03:07,200 ♪ ♪ 1129 01:03:07,534 --> 01:03:09,160 ♪ Burn, baby, burn ♪ 1130 01:03:09,452 --> 01:03:10,578 ♪ Choo! ♪ 1131 01:03:10,662 --> 01:03:12,372 ♪ Burn, baby, burn... ♪ 1132 01:03:13,290 --> 01:03:15,125 - Anyway, we stayed for the second show, 1133 01:03:15,208 --> 01:03:17,711 and the second show being, like, a 9:00 show, 1134 01:03:17,794 --> 01:03:20,630 it was people had some drinks, they were standing on tables, 1135 01:03:20,714 --> 01:03:22,340 and Tina was just working the audience, 1136 01:03:22,424 --> 01:03:23,967 and I went, "Wow. 1137 01:03:24,217 --> 01:03:26,094 What a great live performance." 1138 01:03:26,469 --> 01:03:28,555 - ♪ People getting loose now ♪ 1139 01:03:28,930 --> 01:03:31,558 ♪ Getting down on the roof ♪ 1140 01:03:33,268 --> 01:03:34,769 ♪ I was screaming ♪ 1141 01:03:36,271 --> 01:03:37,981 ♪ Out of control ♪ 1142 01:03:38,064 --> 01:03:41,067 [soft dreamy music] 1143 01:03:41,151 --> 01:03:45,322 ♪ ♪ 1144 01:03:45,613 --> 01:03:47,574 - You know when you meet an artist 1145 01:03:47,657 --> 01:03:49,242 if they have got something that grabs you, 1146 01:03:49,326 --> 01:03:51,077 and, obviously, it did to me, 1147 01:03:51,161 --> 01:03:53,079 and she was also incredibly determined. 1148 01:03:54,497 --> 01:03:56,583 - Roger said to me, "What do you want?" 1149 01:03:58,626 --> 01:04:00,045 I had a dream. 1150 01:04:00,128 --> 01:04:03,298 My dream is to be the first Black rock and roll singer 1151 01:04:03,381 --> 01:04:05,633 to pack places like the Stones 1152 01:04:05,717 --> 01:04:07,218 or those people that are packing 1153 01:04:07,302 --> 01:04:08,553 those kind of places, you know? 1154 01:04:08,636 --> 01:04:10,138 - "I want to fill the rock stadiums, Rog 1155 01:04:10,180 --> 01:04:11,389 like Mick and Keith." 1156 01:04:11,473 --> 01:04:13,224 I said, "Yep, that's what we're gonna do." 1157 01:04:13,308 --> 01:04:14,768 I had no idea if we were gonna do it, 1158 01:04:14,851 --> 01:04:17,479 'cause there weren't any female rock artists 1159 01:04:17,562 --> 01:04:19,606 in the world selling out football stadiums. 1160 01:04:19,689 --> 01:04:21,483 [cheers and applause] 1161 01:04:21,900 --> 01:04:24,611 - Tina's problem, after leaving the Ike orbit, 1162 01:04:24,694 --> 01:04:25,904 was now she's on her own. 1163 01:04:25,987 --> 01:04:28,031 She's just Tina Turner, but who is that? 1164 01:04:28,281 --> 01:04:30,283 ♪ ♪ 1165 01:04:30,367 --> 01:04:32,202 She is, by this point, 1166 01:04:32,535 --> 01:04:34,079 older than your average pop star. 1167 01:04:34,162 --> 01:04:35,663 She's a middle-aged woman. 1168 01:04:35,747 --> 01:04:37,999 Is she R&B? Was it disco? 1169 01:04:38,083 --> 01:04:39,667 Wasn't she doing that recently? 1170 01:04:39,751 --> 01:04:42,003 It was very unclear. Her image was unclear. 1171 01:04:42,379 --> 01:04:44,589 - When Tina said, "I'd like you to manage me," 1172 01:04:44,672 --> 01:04:46,049 I immediately thought, 1173 01:04:46,132 --> 01:04:47,967 "Well, I've got to get her a record deal, 1174 01:04:48,051 --> 01:04:49,719 "we've got to change the image 1175 01:04:49,803 --> 01:04:51,805 "so people at record companies know 1176 01:04:51,888 --> 01:04:54,641 "that you're not just a Vegas cabaret act. 1177 01:04:54,724 --> 01:04:56,267 We're gonna make it current." 1178 01:04:56,393 --> 01:04:58,478 I said, "We're gonna have to make a rock show." 1179 01:04:58,561 --> 01:04:59,854 [opening rock notes] 1180 01:05:00,230 --> 01:05:01,356 [crowd cheering] 1181 01:05:01,689 --> 01:05:05,568 ♪ ♪ 1182 01:05:05,652 --> 01:05:08,154 - I was ready for change. I was ready for that. 1183 01:05:08,405 --> 01:05:10,907 [crowd cheering] 1184 01:05:11,491 --> 01:05:13,284 But first of all, the long hair 1185 01:05:13,368 --> 01:05:16,746 was a look that I used for Ike and Tina, 1186 01:05:16,830 --> 01:05:18,415 so I cut the hair. 1187 01:05:19,666 --> 01:05:21,835 That was a change immediately. 1188 01:05:23,878 --> 01:05:26,005 Then the Bob Mackie clothes went. 1189 01:05:26,089 --> 01:05:28,633 ♪ ♪ 1190 01:05:28,716 --> 01:05:30,593 Pulled out some of my rock and roll dresses, 1191 01:05:30,677 --> 01:05:31,886 the shorter ones. 1192 01:05:32,470 --> 01:05:35,306 And I went to work. - Five, six, seven, eight... 1193 01:05:35,390 --> 01:05:38,435 ["Foolish Behavior (Kill His Wife)" playing] 1194 01:05:38,518 --> 01:05:39,978 - Ladies and gentlemen... 1195 01:05:41,938 --> 01:05:42,981 Tina Turner! 1196 01:05:43,064 --> 01:05:47,610 [cheers and applause] 1197 01:05:47,694 --> 01:05:51,865 ♪ ♪ 1198 01:05:51,948 --> 01:05:54,159 - ♪ Can I introduce myself? ♪ 1199 01:05:55,034 --> 01:05:57,537 ♪ I'm a gal of financial wealth ♪ 1200 01:05:58,246 --> 01:06:00,957 ♪ Sound in mind, body, soul, and health ♪ 1201 01:06:01,458 --> 01:06:05,420 ♪ Oh, and I want to kill his wife ♪ 1202 01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:08,339 ♪ I have this urge to take her life... ♪ 1203 01:06:08,423 --> 01:06:10,467 - We hired a young band. 1204 01:06:10,592 --> 01:06:12,760 We didn't really have any money. 1205 01:06:12,844 --> 01:06:15,096 So Tina, who always knew 1206 01:06:15,180 --> 01:06:17,056 what she wanted them to look like, 1207 01:06:17,140 --> 01:06:19,559 said, "We'll put them in black karate suits." 1208 01:06:19,976 --> 01:06:21,394 The band hated it. [laughs] 1209 01:06:21,478 --> 01:06:23,897 The musicians were like, "Why do we have to wear this?" 1210 01:06:23,980 --> 01:06:25,982 I said, "You know, you each get a different color belt." 1211 01:06:26,065 --> 01:06:29,694 - ♪ She'll escape down into Mexico... ♪ 1212 01:06:29,777 --> 01:06:31,613 - We looked a little bit shabby, 1213 01:06:31,654 --> 01:06:34,073 but that's what rock and roll is... it's shabby. 1214 01:06:34,824 --> 01:06:36,826 - She wanted two girls 1215 01:06:36,951 --> 01:06:39,829 to get away, I think, from that Ikette thing. 1216 01:06:39,913 --> 01:06:41,831 - ♪ Should I act quite cold and deliberate? ♪ 1217 01:06:41,915 --> 01:06:45,627 - She was reinventing herself as Tina Turner. 1218 01:06:45,710 --> 01:06:47,337 - ♪ And they'll all say suicide ♪ 1219 01:06:47,420 --> 01:06:48,922 ♪ They won't know who done it... ♪ 1220 01:06:49,005 --> 01:06:50,632 That was the beginning of me taking control 1221 01:06:50,715 --> 01:06:52,425 of my performance. 1222 01:06:53,009 --> 01:06:54,928 I was my own boss. 1223 01:06:55,053 --> 01:06:56,846 ♪ I really want to take her life ♪ 1224 01:06:57,472 --> 01:07:00,683 - ♪ She'll escape down into Mexico ♪ 1225 01:07:00,767 --> 01:07:03,603 - ♪ Baby, into Mexico ♪ 1226 01:07:03,686 --> 01:07:05,230 - ♪ Sell the house ♪ 1227 01:07:05,313 --> 01:07:07,607 ♪ And find a nice young beau ♪ 1228 01:07:08,066 --> 01:07:10,443 - ♪ Find a nice young beau ♪ 1229 01:07:10,527 --> 01:07:12,111 - ♪ With long black hair ♪ 1230 01:07:12,195 --> 01:07:14,572 - ♪ And I won't work no more ♪ 1231 01:07:14,656 --> 01:07:15,532 ♪ Ha ♪ 1232 01:07:15,865 --> 01:07:17,408 ♪ Ha ha ha ha ha ♪ 1233 01:07:18,409 --> 01:07:20,870 ♪ Ooh ooh ooh ♪ 1234 01:07:21,204 --> 01:07:22,789 ♪ Ya ya ya ya ♪ 1235 01:07:22,872 --> 01:07:24,207 ♪ Ya ya ya ya ♪ 1236 01:07:24,290 --> 01:07:26,876 [cheers and applause] 1237 01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:29,003 So immediately we changed the show. 1238 01:07:29,087 --> 01:07:30,964 Reviews were great. Everything was going well. 1239 01:07:31,047 --> 01:07:33,424 And then we started working to try to get a record deal. 1240 01:07:33,508 --> 01:07:35,176 Nobody would touch Tina Turner. 1241 01:07:35,927 --> 01:07:37,929 - When I first started 1242 01:07:38,012 --> 01:07:41,015 trying to look for a deal with Tina, 1243 01:07:41,641 --> 01:07:44,143 the general feeling was "Is she still with that guy Ike?" 1244 01:07:44,227 --> 01:07:46,312 No one had any idea. 1245 01:07:46,396 --> 01:07:49,399 Tina needed to be exposed as... she's a solo artist. 1246 01:07:49,482 --> 01:07:51,359 She's not associated with Ike. 1247 01:07:52,277 --> 01:07:54,237 - Roger came to me, 1248 01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:57,907 asking me if I would be willing to give the story 1249 01:07:57,991 --> 01:07:59,075 to the press, 1250 01:07:59,325 --> 01:08:01,744 and I was afraid to... 1251 01:08:02,912 --> 01:08:04,956 put it out because of... 1252 01:08:05,415 --> 01:08:07,584 what I might receive from Ike. 1253 01:08:17,093 --> 01:08:19,053 - I didn't really know too much about 1254 01:08:19,137 --> 01:08:21,556 the backstory, and nobody knew 1255 01:08:21,639 --> 01:08:24,267 about the traumas that she went through. 1256 01:08:24,642 --> 01:08:27,895 You know, I just was looking for a simple comeback story. 1257 01:08:27,979 --> 01:08:29,772 Little did I know, you know, 1258 01:08:29,856 --> 01:08:32,900 there was this whole legend that came about. 1259 01:08:36,404 --> 01:08:38,489 - I didn't know what to expect. 1260 01:08:38,573 --> 01:08:40,658 [camera shutter clicking] 1261 01:08:40,742 --> 01:08:42,910 I wanted to stop people from... 1262 01:08:42,994 --> 01:08:45,413 thinking that Ike and Tina was so positive. 1263 01:08:45,496 --> 01:08:47,332 I mean, it was... it was... 1264 01:08:47,415 --> 01:08:50,543 that we were such a love team or a great team, 1265 01:08:50,627 --> 01:08:52,420 and it wasn't like that. 1266 01:08:52,795 --> 01:08:55,298 So I thought, if nothing else, 1267 01:08:55,381 --> 01:08:57,634 at least people would know. 1268 01:09:01,846 --> 01:09:03,389 - Tina Turner is a legend, 1269 01:09:03,473 --> 01:09:06,392 a major influence on rock stars like Rod Stewart 1270 01:09:06,476 --> 01:09:07,685 and Mick Jagger. 1271 01:09:07,852 --> 01:09:10,271 Once, she was teamed with her husband Ike. 1272 01:09:10,355 --> 01:09:11,898 Now she's on her own, 1273 01:09:11,981 --> 01:09:14,233 trying to establish herself as a star once again. 1274 01:09:14,984 --> 01:09:16,819 - My life with Ike 1275 01:09:16,903 --> 01:09:19,822 was one that a lot of, maybe, people are familiar with... 1276 01:09:19,906 --> 01:09:21,324 husbands that... 1277 01:09:21,407 --> 01:09:24,243 that practice brutality. [laughs] 1278 01:09:24,327 --> 01:09:25,620 - Yeah? - Yeah. 1279 01:09:26,287 --> 01:09:29,374 - Nobody talked about sexual abuse, 1280 01:09:29,457 --> 01:09:31,959 physical abuse, domestic abuse. 1281 01:09:32,043 --> 01:09:33,336 Abuse, period. 1282 01:09:33,961 --> 01:09:37,507 Our generation is the generation 1283 01:09:37,590 --> 01:09:41,427 that started to break the silence. 1284 01:09:41,511 --> 01:09:43,513 [stirring music] 1285 01:09:43,596 --> 01:09:46,516 - Tina... she couldn't voice her own opinion. 1286 01:09:46,599 --> 01:09:48,685 Everything that she did was Ike. 1287 01:09:49,018 --> 01:09:53,231 - The idea of Tina as a presence on her own 1288 01:09:53,314 --> 01:09:56,609 and having escaped... people loved that story. 1289 01:09:56,693 --> 01:10:00,029 They wanted to... you know, here was somebody to root for. 1290 01:10:01,656 --> 01:10:03,074 - Once the word was out, 1291 01:10:03,157 --> 01:10:05,034 we met a guy called Carter, 1292 01:10:05,118 --> 01:10:08,371 John Carter, at Capitol, who believed in her. 1293 01:10:08,705 --> 01:10:11,374 - I had always been interested in artists 1294 01:10:11,457 --> 01:10:13,209 that no one else was interested in. 1295 01:10:13,710 --> 01:10:16,087 Once a star, always a threat, 1296 01:10:16,170 --> 01:10:18,131 and that's the way I felt about Tina. 1297 01:10:18,214 --> 01:10:19,924 - So you play that thing, you're playing that, 1298 01:10:20,007 --> 01:10:21,467 and you're playing that strum under me, 1299 01:10:21,551 --> 01:10:23,428 and we move downstage with that. 1300 01:10:23,511 --> 01:10:25,138 Let's just get that right. That's exactly what... 1301 01:10:25,221 --> 01:10:27,140 - Carter basically gave us 1302 01:10:27,223 --> 01:10:29,225 a development deal. 1303 01:10:29,726 --> 01:10:31,728 We tried probably eight or ten tracks, 1304 01:10:31,811 --> 01:10:33,229 still trying to find our way. 1305 01:10:33,312 --> 01:10:34,856 We never got quite there. 1306 01:10:34,939 --> 01:10:36,691 - Stay under me there, but just come down. 1307 01:10:36,774 --> 01:10:39,068 Keep the pulse under me. Don't lose the... 1308 01:10:39,152 --> 01:10:40,778 - We record a few things, 1309 01:10:40,862 --> 01:10:43,614 and as much as Roger and I would get enthusiastic 1310 01:10:43,698 --> 01:10:45,950 about a song here and a song there, 1311 01:10:46,033 --> 01:10:49,370 it was never really the body of work that we needed. 1312 01:10:51,581 --> 01:10:54,500 - And then one day, Carter rang me up, 1313 01:10:54,584 --> 01:10:57,962 beside himself, because there'd been a change of management 1314 01:10:58,045 --> 01:10:59,505 at Capitol Records. 1315 01:10:59,797 --> 01:11:02,049 And they'd been in a meeting, and they'd been going through 1316 01:11:02,133 --> 01:11:04,761 the roster of artists, I guess, and... 1317 01:11:04,969 --> 01:11:08,931 the new management didn't want Tina on the label. 1318 01:11:09,015 --> 01:11:11,392 - The new regime comes in... - Mm-hmm. 1319 01:11:11,476 --> 01:11:13,811 - And like any new regime, 1320 01:11:13,895 --> 01:11:16,189 they got their own idea about what they want to do. 1321 01:11:16,272 --> 01:11:19,233 - Right. - So I flip out. 1322 01:11:19,317 --> 01:11:23,905 I go downstairs, and I said, "Hey, this is my act," 1323 01:11:23,988 --> 01:11:26,282 and the classic quote is, 1324 01:11:26,699 --> 01:11:29,702 "Carter, you signed this old nigger douchebag?" 1325 01:11:29,786 --> 01:11:31,913 - Whoa. Whoa. - "Yeah. 1326 01:11:31,996 --> 01:11:34,165 "Yeah, I did, and I'm really happy about it. 1327 01:11:34,248 --> 01:11:36,334 Now, pick up the phone and call Roger Davies." 1328 01:11:36,417 --> 01:11:38,336 - Wow. - He said, "No fuckin' way." 1329 01:11:38,669 --> 01:11:41,255 And I get on my knees, and I said, 1330 01:11:41,339 --> 01:11:43,090 "I'm now gonna beg you, 1331 01:11:43,174 --> 01:11:46,469 and I'm not gonna get up until you pick up the phone." 1332 01:11:46,969 --> 01:11:50,389 [chuckles]And there was a long stare-down, 1333 01:11:51,015 --> 01:11:53,351 and he picks up the phone. - Wow. 1334 01:11:53,810 --> 01:11:56,646 - Well, he says, "Okay, back on the roster." 1335 01:11:56,729 --> 01:11:58,564 - Mm-hmm. - "You finish your record. 1336 01:11:58,648 --> 01:12:01,442 "But you understand that we're gonna do nothing! 1337 01:12:01,526 --> 01:12:03,236 That's all there is." 1338 01:12:05,154 --> 01:12:06,948 [somber music] 1339 01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:09,742 ♪ ♪ 1340 01:12:27,593 --> 01:12:29,428 [laughing] 1341 01:12:29,679 --> 01:12:32,390 [somber music] 1342 01:12:32,598 --> 01:12:35,309 ♪ ♪ 1343 01:12:35,393 --> 01:12:37,270 I was held back 1344 01:12:38,145 --> 01:12:40,147 for a very long time... 1345 01:12:41,357 --> 01:12:43,317 but I didn't suffer from those things, 1346 01:12:43,401 --> 01:12:45,570 and it's not necessary to suffer about that 1347 01:12:45,653 --> 01:12:48,322 because what can you do about it, you know? 1348 01:12:48,865 --> 01:12:50,741 So I didn't think about those things. 1349 01:12:50,825 --> 01:12:53,327 ♪ ♪ 1350 01:12:53,452 --> 01:12:56,038 - She always had a belief it was gonna be okay. 1351 01:12:56,122 --> 01:12:59,709 And I think you have to have that belief to keep going. 1352 01:13:00,209 --> 01:13:04,672 ♪ ♪ 1353 01:13:04,964 --> 01:13:07,216 Radio, as you know, in America 1354 01:13:07,300 --> 01:13:09,010 was very categorized, and there's pop, 1355 01:13:09,093 --> 01:13:11,679 and there's R&B, there's urban, and there's hot AC, 1356 01:13:11,762 --> 01:13:13,639 and she wanted to sing rock. 1357 01:13:13,931 --> 01:13:17,476 And that wasn't really what they thought would work. 1358 01:13:18,144 --> 01:13:20,771 And that's when we knew that it had to be England, 1359 01:13:20,855 --> 01:13:22,732 'cause England and Europe got her. 1360 01:13:23,190 --> 01:13:25,443 [airplane engine roars] 1361 01:13:25,526 --> 01:13:28,654 [light music] 1362 01:13:28,738 --> 01:13:31,782 ♪ ♪ 1363 01:13:32,116 --> 01:13:33,910 - It was London. 1364 01:13:33,993 --> 01:13:37,580 It was another whole experience 1365 01:13:38,122 --> 01:13:39,582 from America. 1366 01:13:39,957 --> 01:13:42,001 You know, it felt like home. 1367 01:13:42,084 --> 01:13:44,295 It felt so comfortable 1368 01:13:44,378 --> 01:13:46,964 that I could have been there all my life. 1369 01:13:47,048 --> 01:13:49,675 ♪ ♪ 1370 01:13:49,759 --> 01:13:52,887 Well, I didn't have that many friends in America 1371 01:13:52,970 --> 01:13:55,264 because, of course, Ike. 1372 01:13:55,348 --> 01:13:57,767 And then when I left Ike, 1373 01:13:58,601 --> 01:14:01,437 immediately I went to work. 1374 01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:03,940 ♪ ♪ 1375 01:14:04,023 --> 01:14:06,776 My sons were at home. They were fine. 1376 01:14:07,526 --> 01:14:09,612 My oldest was 28. 1377 01:14:10,071 --> 01:14:12,657 My youngest was moving well into his middle 20s. 1378 01:14:12,740 --> 01:14:14,367 So not really kids anymore. 1379 01:14:15,451 --> 01:14:17,411 I left everything and everybody behind. 1380 01:14:17,745 --> 01:14:20,122 I needed every minute of my brains 1381 01:14:20,831 --> 01:14:22,750 to map my life together. 1382 01:14:22,833 --> 01:14:24,794 Fellas, do you know what we're doing today? 1383 01:14:24,877 --> 01:14:26,963 - It's almost like she had a coming of age 1384 01:14:27,046 --> 01:14:29,048 at 40 years old... 1385 01:14:29,131 --> 01:14:31,217 the fact that she has this voice, 1386 01:14:31,300 --> 01:14:33,427 this incredible, incredible voice, 1387 01:14:33,761 --> 01:14:36,013 I would say the industry didn't even really know 1388 01:14:36,097 --> 01:14:37,390 what to do with. 1389 01:14:38,724 --> 01:14:41,185 - Roger could see what could be done 1390 01:14:41,268 --> 01:14:42,937 when other people couldn't imagine 1391 01:14:43,020 --> 01:14:44,271 what it could become. 1392 01:14:44,355 --> 01:14:45,606 So there's this new 1393 01:14:45,690 --> 01:14:47,733 kind of production technique in England. 1394 01:14:47,817 --> 01:14:50,361 There are these new people that are getting new sounds, 1395 01:14:50,444 --> 01:14:52,113 and you should be part of that. 1396 01:14:52,196 --> 01:14:54,407 ♪ ♪ 1397 01:14:54,490 --> 01:14:56,075 - I was collecting songs. 1398 01:14:56,158 --> 01:14:57,785 I used to carry around this leather bag 1399 01:14:57,868 --> 01:15:00,413 full of cassettes and asking a bunch of people 1400 01:15:00,496 --> 01:15:02,289 and, you know, Terry Britten, 1401 01:15:02,373 --> 01:15:04,291 he was a bit of a hero of mine, 1402 01:15:04,375 --> 01:15:07,586 and he had songs I think might work for Tina. 1403 01:15:08,462 --> 01:15:09,547 - Roger's tea. 1404 01:15:10,297 --> 01:15:13,175 [opening notes of "What's Love Got To Do With It?" play] 1405 01:15:13,259 --> 01:15:14,927 - "What's Love" is probably the worst demo 1406 01:15:15,011 --> 01:15:16,971 I've ever done to this date. 1407 01:15:17,054 --> 01:15:19,515 I mean, there's no, uh... 1408 01:15:19,598 --> 01:15:21,267 bee-doo-bee-doo... none of that stuff. 1409 01:15:21,350 --> 01:15:23,978 Very white, very pop, 1410 01:15:24,061 --> 01:15:28,357 and nothing remotely would say "Tina Turner." 1411 01:15:29,692 --> 01:15:31,277 Originally, it did go 1412 01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:33,779 to an English band called Bucks Fizz, 1413 01:15:33,904 --> 01:15:35,990 who were really popular at the time, 1414 01:15:36,073 --> 01:15:37,825 and I think they actually recorded it. 1415 01:15:37,908 --> 01:15:40,327 - ♪ Oh, oh, oh, what's love ♪ 1416 01:15:40,661 --> 01:15:43,289 ♪ Got to do, got to do with it? ♪ 1417 01:15:44,165 --> 01:15:48,127 ♪ What's love but a second-hand emotion? ♪ 1418 01:15:48,961 --> 01:15:52,048 - I was convinced. I thought "What's Love" was... 1419 01:15:52,339 --> 01:15:54,050 It could be a big song. 1420 01:15:54,842 --> 01:15:56,635 Tina never really liked it. 1421 01:15:56,969 --> 01:15:59,388 - [laughs] It was terrible. It was awful. 1422 01:15:59,472 --> 01:16:01,140 It was... 1423 01:16:01,223 --> 01:16:03,309 I was rock and roll. 1424 01:16:03,392 --> 01:16:04,977 I was not... 1425 01:16:05,478 --> 01:16:07,188 That was a pop song. 1426 01:16:08,147 --> 01:16:10,274 So Roger says, "All right, all right, all right. 1427 01:16:10,357 --> 01:16:12,109 "Just one thing... you got to meet Terry Britten. 1428 01:16:12,193 --> 01:16:13,861 "You got to meet him, 'cause he's a great writer, 1429 01:16:13,944 --> 01:16:15,446 and maybe he can make some adjustments or whatever," 1430 01:16:15,529 --> 01:16:16,697 and I went, "All right." 1431 01:16:16,781 --> 01:16:18,699 ♪ ♪ 1432 01:16:18,783 --> 01:16:21,494 We walked in, and I didn't know what to expect. 1433 01:16:21,619 --> 01:16:23,454 And Terry was like a little leprechaun. 1434 01:16:23,537 --> 01:16:25,289 I mean, he's very short. 1435 01:16:25,372 --> 01:16:27,249 He was sitting there, and his legs were hanging. 1436 01:16:27,333 --> 01:16:29,710 [laughs] Something about his legs hanging 1437 01:16:29,794 --> 01:16:30,920 that I remember. 1438 01:16:31,003 --> 01:16:33,089 - She came in, and immediately she said, 1439 01:16:33,172 --> 01:16:34,757 "Well, you know I don't like that song, 1440 01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:36,592 "and I don't want to do that song. 1441 01:16:36,675 --> 01:16:38,344 It's Roger that wants me to do it." 1442 01:16:38,677 --> 01:16:40,930 I said, "Well, you know, if it doesn't work out, 1443 01:16:41,013 --> 01:16:43,140 you won't use it, so let's give it a go." 1444 01:16:44,475 --> 01:16:47,353 [opening notes of "What's Love Got To Do With it" playing] 1445 01:16:47,436 --> 01:16:50,314 - I had to find a way to sing the song, so he would say, 1446 01:16:50,397 --> 01:16:53,109 "Tina, sing this how you would sing it." 1447 01:16:53,192 --> 01:16:54,443 So, okay. 1448 01:16:54,652 --> 01:16:58,197 Then I applied my heavy voice to it, and... 1449 01:16:58,864 --> 01:17:00,157 ♪ Makes my pulse react ♪ 1450 01:17:00,241 --> 01:17:01,992 - She was trying to get her head around it, 1451 01:17:02,076 --> 01:17:04,328 how's this little... doop-dih-dih-dih work 1452 01:17:04,411 --> 01:17:05,913 sort of thing, 1453 01:17:05,996 --> 01:17:09,125 and I said to her, "Tina, this is a jog." 1454 01:17:09,458 --> 01:17:12,670 And we both stood and jogged. 1455 01:17:12,753 --> 01:17:15,923 And she was singing loud, and I went, "Quieter, quiet..." 1456 01:17:16,006 --> 01:17:18,884 She said, "If I go any quieter, I'll be whispering." 1457 01:17:18,968 --> 01:17:22,054 I said, "Yeah, that's it," and we start to jog on this. 1458 01:17:22,138 --> 01:17:25,516 Suddenly she went, "I got it, I got it, I got it." 1459 01:17:25,599 --> 01:17:28,185 - ♪ Oh, oh, oh, what's love ♪ 1460 01:17:28,269 --> 01:17:31,021 ♪ Got to do, got to do with it? ♪ 1461 01:17:31,897 --> 01:17:36,610 ♪ What's love but a second-hand emotion? ♪ 1462 01:17:36,694 --> 01:17:39,113 ♪ What's love got to do ♪ 1463 01:17:39,196 --> 01:17:40,948 ♪ Got to do with it? ♪ 1464 01:17:41,031 --> 01:17:42,783 ♪ Who needs a heart ♪ 1465 01:17:42,867 --> 01:17:45,661 ♪ When a heart can be broken? ♪ 1466 01:17:46,036 --> 01:17:48,747 - I was stunned afterwards, after the session. 1467 01:17:49,415 --> 01:17:51,792 - They weren't used to a strong voice 1468 01:17:51,876 --> 01:17:53,419 standing on top of music. 1469 01:17:53,586 --> 01:17:56,255 But I converted it and made it my own. 1470 01:17:56,338 --> 01:18:00,134 ♪ If I tend to look dazed, I read it some place ♪ 1471 01:18:00,217 --> 01:18:02,511 ♪ I've got cause to be ♪ 1472 01:18:02,595 --> 01:18:05,181 ♪ There's a name for it ♪ 1473 01:18:05,472 --> 01:18:07,349 - She said, "You know what? People are gonna say, 1474 01:18:07,433 --> 01:18:08,976 "'This is a Tina Turner song. 1475 01:18:09,059 --> 01:18:11,270 "'It's not Tina doing a cover. 1476 01:18:11,896 --> 01:18:13,314 This is Tina Turner's song."' 1477 01:18:13,439 --> 01:18:16,859 - ♪ But whatever the reason, you do it for me ♪ 1478 01:18:16,942 --> 01:18:19,695 ♪ Oh, oh, oh, what's love ♪ 1479 01:18:19,778 --> 01:18:21,780 ♪ Got to do, got to do with it? ♪ 1480 01:18:21,864 --> 01:18:24,408 I knocked that album out in two weeks in the studio. 1481 01:18:24,950 --> 01:18:26,994 Done. Finished. 1482 01:18:27,870 --> 01:18:30,247 - We just went from studio to studio, 1483 01:18:30,331 --> 01:18:32,666 and, literally, two or three weeks, the album was done. 1484 01:18:32,750 --> 01:18:35,377 We turned up with an album that sold 20 million copies. 1485 01:18:35,461 --> 01:18:37,463 - ♪ ...can be broken? ♪ 1486 01:18:37,838 --> 01:18:40,090 - When the album was out and we were in New York 1487 01:18:40,174 --> 01:18:43,385 at Tower Records doing a record signing, 1488 01:18:43,552 --> 01:18:46,472 and I got the call from our record company 1489 01:18:46,555 --> 01:18:49,350 that "What's Love" had gone to number one on "Billboard." 1490 01:18:49,725 --> 01:18:51,644 - In Tower Record? - This was in Tower Records. 1491 01:18:51,727 --> 01:18:53,270 And I just jumped up, and I said to everybody, 1492 01:18:53,354 --> 01:18:55,439 "It's number one," and they all started cheering. 1493 01:18:55,522 --> 01:18:57,691 It was wonderful. - You know when you said that, 1494 01:18:57,775 --> 01:18:59,318 I honestly have to tell you... I know it's gonna 1495 01:18:59,401 --> 01:19:01,445 sound real corny, but I mean it... when I saw you say that 1496 01:19:01,528 --> 01:19:03,030 last night that this went number one today, 1497 01:19:03,113 --> 01:19:04,782 I just, like, burst into tears, 1498 01:19:04,865 --> 01:19:07,201 because to me, it was like, 1499 01:19:07,284 --> 01:19:09,328 there is some justice after all. 1500 01:19:09,411 --> 01:19:11,121 I don't know if you feel that way about it, 1501 01:19:11,205 --> 01:19:13,791 but it was very moving. - Oh, number one. 1502 01:19:14,583 --> 01:19:17,211 ♪ Oh, oh, oh, what's love ♪ 1503 01:19:17,294 --> 01:19:19,797 ♪ Got to do, got to do with it? ♪ 1504 01:19:20,839 --> 01:19:22,383 ♪ What's love ♪ 1505 01:19:22,466 --> 01:19:25,052 ♪ But a second-hand emotion? ♪ 1506 01:19:25,594 --> 01:19:27,972 ♪ What's love got to do ♪ 1507 01:19:28,055 --> 01:19:29,473 ♪ Got to do with it? ♪ 1508 01:19:29,807 --> 01:19:31,976 ♪ Who needs a heart ♪ 1509 01:19:32,059 --> 01:19:34,144 ♪ When a heart can be broken? ♪ 1510 01:19:34,228 --> 01:19:36,563 Crowd: ♪ What's love got to do ♪ 1511 01:19:36,647 --> 01:19:39,108 - ♪ Ooh, ooh ♪ - And the record of the year 1512 01:19:39,149 --> 01:19:41,485 is, "What's Love Got To Do With It"... Tina Turner! 1513 01:19:41,568 --> 01:19:44,738 [cheers and applause] 1514 01:19:54,081 --> 01:19:56,625 - My goodness, this has been a wonderful evening. 1515 01:19:56,709 --> 01:19:59,128 I'd like to take this award 1516 01:19:59,962 --> 01:20:02,589 and give it to someone that's been 1517 01:20:02,673 --> 01:20:05,050 wonderful to me as a friend 1518 01:20:05,259 --> 01:20:07,886 and in business and in many ways... 1519 01:20:07,970 --> 01:20:09,763 my manager, Roger Davies. 1520 01:20:09,847 --> 01:20:12,891 It's been a wonderful year. [applause] 1521 01:20:13,309 --> 01:20:15,477 - [mouthing words] 1522 01:20:16,145 --> 01:20:17,855 - My "Private Dancer" album... 1523 01:20:17,938 --> 01:20:19,940 no, I don't consider it a comeback album. 1524 01:20:20,024 --> 01:20:22,359 Tina had never arrived. 1525 01:20:22,443 --> 01:20:25,195 It was Tina's debut for the first time, 1526 01:20:25,279 --> 01:20:27,114 and this was my first album. 1527 01:20:27,656 --> 01:20:29,325 - Tina Turner! 1528 01:20:30,326 --> 01:20:32,411 - Tina Turner! 1529 01:20:32,661 --> 01:20:36,457 [uplifting music] 1530 01:20:36,874 --> 01:20:38,709 - They'd reached a stage where, 1531 01:20:38,792 --> 01:20:41,962 after "Private Dancer," it was unbelievably big. 1532 01:20:42,963 --> 01:20:45,090 It was a runaway train. 1533 01:20:45,841 --> 01:20:49,094 - When you're hot, you're hot, and this lady is the hottest. 1534 01:20:49,178 --> 01:20:50,721 Here's... - Tina Turner! 1535 01:20:50,804 --> 01:20:53,390 [cheers and applause] 1536 01:20:53,515 --> 01:20:55,142 - I had my boyfriend standing in line 1537 01:20:55,184 --> 01:20:56,685 since 3 in the morning to get these tickets. 1538 01:20:56,727 --> 01:20:58,020 I says, "That's it, the relationship's over 1539 01:20:58,103 --> 01:20:59,730 unless you get me these tickets." 1540 01:20:59,813 --> 01:21:01,523 - And if she isn't sexy, I don't know who is. 1541 01:21:01,607 --> 01:21:03,734 - [speaking Italian] Tina Turner. 1542 01:21:03,817 --> 01:21:05,194 - Stupenda, stupenda. 1543 01:21:05,277 --> 01:21:08,655 [speaking Italian] 1544 01:21:08,739 --> 01:21:12,034 - [speaking German] Tina Turner. 1545 01:21:12,743 --> 01:21:14,870 - On "Private Dancer," I think we ended up doing 1546 01:21:14,953 --> 01:21:16,622 150 concerts. 1547 01:21:16,705 --> 01:21:19,083 [stirring music] 1548 01:21:19,166 --> 01:21:21,251 And then we went on to break every rule. 1549 01:21:23,337 --> 01:21:26,048 On that album, we did the biggest tour we've ever done. 1550 01:21:26,465 --> 01:21:29,676 We played 230 shows in 18 months 1551 01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:31,303 everywhere in the world. 1552 01:21:32,012 --> 01:21:34,431 ♪ ♪ 1553 01:21:34,598 --> 01:21:38,602 This 50-year-old woman playing stadiums 1554 01:21:38,685 --> 01:21:40,854 throughout Europe and having an audience 1555 01:21:40,938 --> 01:21:44,066 ranging from about 15 to 60 was pretty amazing. 1556 01:21:44,149 --> 01:21:45,943 - She makes you feel young. 1557 01:21:46,026 --> 01:21:47,653 She's alive. She's bouncing. 1558 01:21:47,778 --> 01:21:49,321 I can't wait for them to come back. 1559 01:21:50,906 --> 01:21:53,534 - When I'm onstage and it's, like, 20,000 people, 1560 01:21:53,617 --> 01:21:55,869 then you know that it's all worthwhile, you know? 1561 01:21:55,953 --> 01:21:58,080 But it's really a lot that goes on behind the scenes 1562 01:21:58,163 --> 01:21:59,456 when... I've never been this big before, 1563 01:21:59,540 --> 01:22:00,958 you know what I mean? And you... 1564 01:22:01,041 --> 01:22:02,960 Ah, it's just incredible. 1565 01:22:03,377 --> 01:22:04,670 - We didn't stop. 1566 01:22:05,087 --> 01:22:07,714 We played the small holes. We played the clubs. 1567 01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:10,259 We did all the TVs. We got to arenas. 1568 01:22:10,342 --> 01:22:11,844 We eventually fulfilled her dream 1569 01:22:11,927 --> 01:22:13,846 and filled the stadiums. 1570 01:22:14,388 --> 01:22:16,598 That concert in Rio, 1571 01:22:16,765 --> 01:22:18,976 there was 186,000 people there. 1572 01:22:19,226 --> 01:22:21,145 [cheers and applause] 1573 01:22:21,228 --> 01:22:24,148 Crowd: Tina, Tina, Tina, Tina, Tina, Tina! 1574 01:22:24,231 --> 01:22:25,941 - Hello, Rio! 1575 01:22:26,024 --> 01:22:28,277 [cheers and applause] 1576 01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:29,611 Give it to me! 1577 01:22:29,695 --> 01:22:30,988 Hello, Rio! 1578 01:22:31,071 --> 01:22:34,116 [cheers and applause] 1579 01:22:34,199 --> 01:22:36,243 Mwah! Mwah! Mwah! 1580 01:22:37,578 --> 01:22:39,288 You can't imagine what it was like for me 1581 01:22:39,371 --> 01:22:41,331 to finally stand there in front of all of those people. 1582 01:22:41,415 --> 01:22:43,417 It's a feeling of like, "I did it," 1583 01:22:43,500 --> 01:22:45,461 and it's really genuine. 1584 01:22:45,544 --> 01:22:47,963 It's almost like magic, because you're standing there 1585 01:22:48,046 --> 01:22:50,132 and they're really giving you love. 1586 01:22:50,841 --> 01:22:52,301 Are you ready? 1587 01:22:52,384 --> 01:22:54,720 [crowd cheers] - Are you ready for me? 1588 01:22:54,803 --> 01:22:56,388 [crowd cheers] 1589 01:22:56,472 --> 01:22:58,682 I'm ready for you. Hello! 1590 01:22:58,765 --> 01:23:01,268 ["I Can't Stand the Rain" playing] 1591 01:23:01,435 --> 01:23:05,814 ♪ ♪ 1592 01:23:18,827 --> 01:23:20,120 ♪ I ♪ 1593 01:23:20,204 --> 01:23:23,081 ♪ I can't stand the rain ♪ 1594 01:23:23,665 --> 01:23:25,751 ♪ Against my window ♪ 1595 01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:30,547 ♪ Bringing back sweet memories ♪ 1596 01:23:31,089 --> 01:23:33,425 ♪ I can't stand the rain ♪ 1597 01:23:33,509 --> 01:23:35,219 ♪ Do you remember ♪ 1598 01:23:35,928 --> 01:23:37,346 ♪ Uh-huh ♪ 1599 01:23:37,846 --> 01:23:39,681 ♪ How sweet it used to be? ♪ 1600 01:23:40,849 --> 01:23:42,935 ♪ ♪ 1601 01:23:43,519 --> 01:23:45,979 ♪ When we were together ♪ 1602 01:23:46,063 --> 01:23:47,898 ♪ ♪ 1603 01:23:48,357 --> 01:23:51,360 ♪ Everything was so grand ♪ 1604 01:23:51,443 --> 01:23:53,529 ♪ ♪ 1605 01:23:54,071 --> 01:23:56,698 ♪ Now that we've parted ♪ 1606 01:23:57,616 --> 01:23:59,952 ♪ There's the one sound ♪ - ♪ One sound ♪ 1607 01:24:00,452 --> 01:24:02,120 - ♪ Just can't stand ♪ 1608 01:24:02,496 --> 01:24:04,289 ♪ Can't stand the rain ♪ 1609 01:24:05,415 --> 01:24:07,167 ♪ Against my window ♪ 1610 01:24:07,417 --> 01:24:09,628 ♪ ♪ 1611 01:24:09,795 --> 01:24:11,797 ♪ Bringing back sweet memories ♪ 1612 01:24:12,756 --> 01:24:14,466 ♪ I can't stand the rain ♪ 1613 01:24:16,093 --> 01:24:18,011 ♪ Against my window ♪ 1614 01:24:18,095 --> 01:24:20,389 ♪ ♪ 1615 01:24:20,472 --> 01:24:22,266 ♪ If he ain't here with me ♪ 1616 01:24:23,392 --> 01:24:24,560 ♪ Well ♪ 1617 01:24:25,894 --> 01:24:28,981 ♪ When we were younger ♪ 1618 01:24:29,064 --> 01:24:31,024 - ♪ We were younger ♪ 1619 01:24:31,108 --> 01:24:33,860 - ♪ Everything was so grand ♪ 1620 01:24:33,944 --> 01:24:35,529 - ♪ Oh ♪ 1621 01:24:36,446 --> 01:24:37,614 - ♪ Ah ♪ 1622 01:24:37,948 --> 01:24:40,033 ♪ Bringing back them sweet memories ♪ 1623 01:24:40,659 --> 01:24:42,244 ♪ One sound ♪ - ♪ One sound ♪ 1624 01:24:42,327 --> 01:24:44,913 - ♪ I just can't stand ♪ 1625 01:24:44,997 --> 01:24:46,832 ♪ Rain ♪ - ♪ Rain ♪ 1626 01:24:47,583 --> 01:24:49,543 - ♪ Rain ♪ - ♪ Rain ♪ 1627 01:24:50,085 --> 01:24:51,795 - ♪ Rain ♪ - ♪ Rain ♪ 1628 01:24:52,838 --> 01:24:55,090 - ♪ Rain ♪ - ♪ Whoo-hoo ♪ 1629 01:24:55,173 --> 01:24:57,593 - [shouts] [song ends] 1630 01:24:57,676 --> 01:25:01,597 [cheers and applause] 1631 01:25:01,930 --> 01:25:03,098 Thank you! 1632 01:25:09,605 --> 01:25:11,815 [cheers and applause fades] 1633 01:25:11,898 --> 01:25:15,110 [engine revving] 1634 01:25:35,505 --> 01:25:38,717 - In 1985, she signed on to do the third "Mad Max" movie, 1635 01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:40,344 "Beyond Thunderdome." 1636 01:25:40,427 --> 01:25:42,137 "Rolling Stone" sent me in to cover this. 1637 01:25:42,220 --> 01:25:43,722 I said, "Great, I'd love to cover this." 1638 01:25:45,098 --> 01:25:47,392 She was the biggest pop star in the world. 1639 01:25:47,684 --> 01:25:50,103 I mean, it was already clear there were gonna be people 1640 01:25:50,187 --> 01:25:51,980 doing these quickie bios of Tina Turner, 1641 01:25:52,064 --> 01:25:53,482 which I thought was really tacky. 1642 01:25:53,565 --> 01:25:55,233 So I got over there, I talked to Roger, 1643 01:25:55,317 --> 01:25:58,236 I said, "You know, maybe you should have someone 1644 01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:01,114 "do a book, you know, do an actual biography. 1645 01:26:01,198 --> 01:26:03,659 And could be me. I mean, could be anybody." 1646 01:26:03,742 --> 01:26:05,327 You know? I don't want to be pushy. 1647 01:26:05,410 --> 01:26:06,953 - You pitched that? - Oh, yeah. 1648 01:26:07,037 --> 01:26:10,207 Well, I brought up the possibility of doing something 1649 01:26:10,290 --> 01:26:13,168 to forestall all these bad books that would be coming out. 1650 01:26:14,002 --> 01:26:16,630 - When she became successful, 1651 01:26:16,797 --> 01:26:19,549 the past came up, and it got a lot of press, 1652 01:26:19,633 --> 01:26:22,260 'cause she was also hugely popular. 1653 01:26:22,344 --> 01:26:24,638 People continued to ask about Ike. 1654 01:26:24,721 --> 01:26:27,265 Even after she had had huge solo success, 1655 01:26:27,349 --> 01:26:29,101 they'd bring up the same old stuff 1656 01:26:29,184 --> 01:26:30,894 over and over in every interview. 1657 01:26:30,977 --> 01:26:32,187 We couldn't stop it. 1658 01:26:32,270 --> 01:26:33,730 - Ike was arrested 1659 01:26:33,814 --> 01:26:36,817 on some cocaine charges in Pasadena. 1660 01:26:36,900 --> 01:26:38,193 - Oh. - Yeah, for possession 1661 01:26:38,276 --> 01:26:41,530 and conspiracy, possibly for dealing. 1662 01:26:42,114 --> 01:26:44,157 Any reaction to that? 1663 01:26:44,241 --> 01:26:47,661 - You know, I'd like to hear all positive things. 1664 01:26:47,744 --> 01:26:49,788 I'd love to hear that Ike had a record deal 1665 01:26:49,871 --> 01:26:52,124 and he was producing an album on himself. 1666 01:26:56,336 --> 01:26:57,504 - Right. 1667 01:27:11,977 --> 01:27:13,311 Yeah. 1668 01:27:16,940 --> 01:27:18,567 - I think, as she said at the time, 1669 01:27:18,650 --> 01:27:20,402 "I can do this and not have to talk about it again." 1670 01:27:20,485 --> 01:27:22,112 "Everybody's talking about it. 1671 01:27:22,195 --> 01:27:24,406 "Everybody has this idea about it, it's this or that. 1672 01:27:24,489 --> 01:27:26,241 "I know what happened. I'll say what happened, 1673 01:27:26,324 --> 01:27:28,243 and I won't have to address it again." 1674 01:27:29,369 --> 01:27:31,663 - A long line of fans waited outside 1675 01:27:31,747 --> 01:27:33,749 a Barnes & Noble bookstore for Tina. 1676 01:27:33,832 --> 01:27:36,460 The soulful singer is now also an author, 1677 01:27:36,543 --> 01:27:38,462 and she was in town, anxious and willing 1678 01:27:38,545 --> 01:27:40,589 to autograph a few hundred copies. 1679 01:27:40,672 --> 01:27:42,758 - It was worth getting sweaty, going up there, 1680 01:27:42,841 --> 01:27:44,634 pushing people, getting them out the way, 1681 01:27:44,718 --> 01:27:46,136 seeing Tina Turner... I love her. 1682 01:27:46,219 --> 01:27:47,345 What's love got to do with it? 1683 01:27:47,721 --> 01:27:50,390 - Tina's book, by the way, tracing her rise 1684 01:27:50,474 --> 01:27:53,310 and fall and rise again is titled "I, Tina." 1685 01:27:54,686 --> 01:27:57,189 - It was a top ten "New York Times" bestseller 1686 01:27:57,272 --> 01:27:59,149 strictly because of Tina Turner. 1687 01:27:59,232 --> 01:28:00,859 I mean, they could put an empty book out 1688 01:28:00,942 --> 01:28:03,487 with her picture on the cover. That book would have sold. 1689 01:28:04,279 --> 01:28:07,783 - She just felt maybe it'll put it to bed 1690 01:28:07,866 --> 01:28:09,493 once and for all, 1691 01:28:09,576 --> 01:28:10,911 which, of course, it didn't. 1692 01:28:10,994 --> 01:28:12,287 It just made it bigger. 1693 01:28:12,370 --> 01:28:14,372 - Albuquerque, New Mexico. Hello. 1694 01:28:14,456 --> 01:28:16,124 - I read your book, 1695 01:28:16,208 --> 01:28:18,126 and it's totally changed my life. 1696 01:28:18,210 --> 01:28:20,337 I love you. I thank you. 1697 01:28:21,505 --> 01:28:24,382 - That story reached so many people 1698 01:28:24,591 --> 01:28:27,427 who felt like they had to kind of keep their secrets 1699 01:28:27,511 --> 01:28:28,678 locked away deep down. 1700 01:28:29,554 --> 01:28:31,890 But then I wonder, I think of, like... 1701 01:28:31,973 --> 01:28:34,434 It's like a Pandora's Box situation, right? 1702 01:28:34,518 --> 01:28:36,645 Like, "Damn, I got to tell the story again?" 1703 01:28:36,937 --> 01:28:41,149 [stirring music] 1704 01:28:41,233 --> 01:28:43,652 - And then the film came out 1705 01:28:43,735 --> 01:28:47,197 and just kind of brought more attention to her name 1706 01:28:47,656 --> 01:28:50,617 for people to see what happened and everything. 1707 01:28:50,700 --> 01:28:52,494 - What'd you say? - Don't start with me. 1708 01:28:52,577 --> 01:28:54,496 I ain't in the mood today, all right? 1709 01:28:54,621 --> 01:28:56,456 - It's tangible in a sense. You're watching it. 1710 01:28:56,540 --> 01:28:58,291 - I'll give up all that other stuff 1711 01:28:58,375 --> 01:29:00,126 but only if I get to keep my name. 1712 01:29:00,210 --> 01:29:02,212 I worked too hard for it, Your Honor. 1713 01:29:02,587 --> 01:29:04,881 - And it just changed everything for her. 1714 01:29:06,258 --> 01:29:08,510 - That role changed my life. 1715 01:29:09,511 --> 01:29:11,388 I mean, I'm not Tina, 1716 01:29:11,471 --> 01:29:15,267 and I've got so much love 1717 01:29:15,350 --> 01:29:17,978 from others... men, women... who've come up and say, 1718 01:29:18,061 --> 01:29:21,022 "You playing her in that story changed my life." 1719 01:29:21,106 --> 01:29:23,441 [soft music] 1720 01:29:23,525 --> 01:29:25,944 - The story goes out into people's houses, 1721 01:29:26,027 --> 01:29:29,114 and then it becomes a part of their life as well. 1722 01:29:29,197 --> 01:29:31,366 - It's Tina Day! 1723 01:29:31,449 --> 01:29:33,159 [cheers and applause] Whoo! 1724 01:29:33,243 --> 01:29:35,412 ♪ ♪ 1725 01:29:35,495 --> 01:29:38,206 - It's hard to wrap your mind around 1726 01:29:38,290 --> 01:29:40,250 that your life has been an inspiration... 1727 01:29:40,333 --> 01:29:41,751 maybe the worst parts of your life 1728 01:29:41,835 --> 01:29:43,545 has been an inspiration. 1729 01:29:43,670 --> 01:29:46,464 - We have 50,000 letters downstairs from women 1730 01:29:46,548 --> 01:29:49,134 who have also been through it and survived. 1731 01:29:49,217 --> 01:29:50,844 Tina did it. So can you. 1732 01:29:50,927 --> 01:29:52,220 Let's celebrate. 1733 01:29:52,304 --> 01:29:57,058 [cheers and applause] 1734 01:29:57,142 --> 01:29:59,352 - She's no longer in control of that story. 1735 01:29:59,436 --> 01:30:01,521 That's what happens to icons. 1736 01:30:02,689 --> 01:30:05,400 Anna Mae Bullock has her own life. 1737 01:30:05,692 --> 01:30:08,028 Tina Turner belongs to the world. 1738 01:30:08,111 --> 01:30:09,404 [fireworks popping] 1739 01:30:09,571 --> 01:30:13,909 [stirring music] 1740 01:30:13,992 --> 01:30:18,830 ♪ ♪ 1741 01:30:19,497 --> 01:30:21,666 [applause] 1742 01:30:23,960 --> 01:30:25,921 - Ms. Turner, welcome to Venice. 1743 01:30:26,004 --> 01:30:28,381 Can you give me your views on the film? 1744 01:30:29,132 --> 01:30:31,843 - Well, I haven't as yet seen the film. 1745 01:30:33,887 --> 01:30:35,472 [clears throat] 1746 01:30:35,555 --> 01:30:36,723 Well... 1747 01:30:37,891 --> 01:30:41,561 I'm not so thrilled about thinking about the past 1748 01:30:41,645 --> 01:30:43,188 and how I lived my life. 1749 01:30:43,271 --> 01:30:46,441 It was made a story. 1750 01:30:46,524 --> 01:30:48,985 The story was actually written 1751 01:30:49,069 --> 01:30:51,780 so that I would no longer have to discuss the issue. 1752 01:30:51,863 --> 01:30:54,699 I don't love that it's always talked about, you see? 1753 01:30:54,783 --> 01:30:58,578 I made a point of just putting the news out to stop the thing 1754 01:30:58,662 --> 01:31:00,705 so that I could go on with my life. 1755 01:31:00,789 --> 01:31:04,000 And this constant reminder is not so good, you know. 1756 01:31:04,084 --> 01:31:06,127 I'm not so happy about it. 1757 01:31:06,211 --> 01:31:08,672 So do I want to sit and screen 1758 01:31:08,755 --> 01:31:11,049 and watch the violence and all the brutality? 1759 01:31:11,132 --> 01:31:12,968 No. That's why I haven't seen it. 1760 01:31:13,051 --> 01:31:15,929 [applause] 1761 01:31:17,931 --> 01:31:20,141 - You know, when you talk to journalists 1762 01:31:20,225 --> 01:31:23,812 over and over for 20 or 30 or 40 years, 1763 01:31:23,895 --> 01:31:26,022 memories come back. 1764 01:31:26,106 --> 01:31:29,150 She has partly dreams about it. 1765 01:31:29,234 --> 01:31:30,735 They're not pleasant. 1766 01:31:30,819 --> 01:31:32,362 So I think these are these things 1767 01:31:32,445 --> 01:31:35,198 that come back to her when she opens that book. 1768 01:31:35,573 --> 01:31:39,119 It's like when soldiers come back from the war. 1769 01:31:39,452 --> 01:31:42,539 It's not a easy time to... 1770 01:31:42,622 --> 01:31:45,375 to have this in your memory, and they try to forget. 1771 01:31:45,458 --> 01:31:47,335 I see it a little bit like that. 1772 01:31:47,919 --> 01:31:50,171 - Tina today is a world superstar. 1773 01:31:50,255 --> 01:31:52,257 But there was a point where you had to become 1774 01:31:52,340 --> 01:31:53,967 the comeback kid. 1775 01:31:54,050 --> 01:31:55,719 How did you get the strength 1776 01:31:55,802 --> 01:31:57,637 to get out of that situation with Ike? 1777 01:31:57,762 --> 01:32:00,682 - Oh, we are gonna talk about him, aren't we? 1778 01:32:00,765 --> 01:32:02,517 [laughs] - [speaks indistinctly] 1779 01:32:02,600 --> 01:32:04,978 - Okay. I need my fan now. I just had a flush. 1780 01:32:05,061 --> 01:32:07,272 [laughing] 1781 01:32:07,731 --> 01:32:09,566 How did I get out of that situation? 1782 01:32:09,649 --> 01:32:11,151 Let me figure out how I can talk about that 1783 01:32:11,234 --> 01:32:12,569 in two seconds. - [speaks indistinctly] 1784 01:32:12,652 --> 01:32:14,404 - No, no, I know how to get out of it. 1785 01:32:14,487 --> 01:32:16,781 I'm just gonna say something. 1786 01:32:16,865 --> 01:32:18,700 Give me two seconds here. 1787 01:32:19,242 --> 01:32:21,286 You don't want to think about those times, you know. 1788 01:32:21,369 --> 01:32:23,580 You want it to just go away. 1789 01:32:23,705 --> 01:32:25,623 But if you're gonna keep bringing it up... 1790 01:32:25,707 --> 01:32:28,668 the brain is saying, "Oh, you want to remember that." 1791 01:32:30,378 --> 01:32:33,256 That scene comes back. 1792 01:32:33,381 --> 01:32:36,968 You're dreaming. The real picture is there. 1793 01:32:37,052 --> 01:32:39,888 It's like a curse. 1794 01:32:40,472 --> 01:32:43,099 [somber music] 1795 01:32:43,183 --> 01:32:45,810 - You raised a son by him, a son by another man, 1796 01:32:45,894 --> 01:32:48,271 and two of Ike's kids by other women. 1797 01:32:48,354 --> 01:32:50,982 There were always other women on the scene. 1798 01:32:51,066 --> 01:32:53,026 What was that like for you? 1799 01:32:53,109 --> 01:32:54,861 - When you were married to Ike, 1800 01:32:54,944 --> 01:32:57,447 what was the absolutely worst moment? 1801 01:32:58,073 --> 01:33:00,533 - What do you think attracts women to bad men? 1802 01:33:00,950 --> 01:33:02,535 - Is there a real low, 1803 01:33:02,619 --> 01:33:04,537 like something you'd love to forget? 1804 01:33:04,871 --> 01:33:07,040 - And, of course, the book and the movie features 1805 01:33:07,123 --> 01:33:09,626 your allegations about his bashings. 1806 01:33:09,709 --> 01:33:11,169 Tell me about that. 1807 01:33:11,252 --> 01:33:13,129 - I'm past it. 1808 01:33:13,213 --> 01:33:15,757 It's been 16 years since I haven't been with Ike, 1809 01:33:15,840 --> 01:33:17,801 and the movie and the book is bringing me back 1810 01:33:17,884 --> 01:33:20,553 to the past of something that was really awful. 1811 01:33:20,637 --> 01:33:22,472 My life is wonderful at the moment. 1812 01:33:22,555 --> 01:33:23,765 I'm a happy person now, 1813 01:33:23,848 --> 01:33:27,018 and I don't dwell on unhappiness. 1814 01:33:27,102 --> 01:33:30,105 [soft, moody music] 1815 01:33:30,188 --> 01:33:32,482 ♪ ♪ 1816 01:33:32,649 --> 01:33:34,359 - The trauma's still so deep 1817 01:33:34,442 --> 01:33:36,444 that to go back there makes you feel 1818 01:33:36,528 --> 01:33:38,488 like you're actually going back. 1819 01:33:39,864 --> 01:33:42,992 If you don't address the wounds of your past, 1820 01:33:43,076 --> 01:33:44,953 you continue to bleed. 1821 01:33:45,036 --> 01:33:48,498 ♪ ♪ 1822 01:33:48,623 --> 01:33:50,333 - You know, she just... she always had the feeling 1823 01:33:50,416 --> 01:33:52,085 that she wasn't loved... 1824 01:33:52,210 --> 01:33:55,922 she wasn't... you know, she wasn't a wanted child. 1825 01:33:56,256 --> 01:33:59,384 ♪ ♪ 1826 01:33:59,509 --> 01:34:02,512 I think with her mom, I think that's still 1827 01:34:02,595 --> 01:34:05,932 the dramatization of being left as a child 1828 01:34:06,015 --> 01:34:07,767 that never left. 1829 01:34:08,101 --> 01:34:13,106 ♪ ♪ 1830 01:34:15,400 --> 01:34:17,193 - Ma was... 1831 01:34:17,277 --> 01:34:18,695 not kind. 1832 01:34:20,196 --> 01:34:22,198 When I became a star, 1833 01:34:22,282 --> 01:34:23,950 of course, like, then she was happy 1834 01:34:24,033 --> 01:34:25,869 because I bought her a house. 1835 01:34:25,952 --> 01:34:27,787 I did all kinds of things for her. 1836 01:34:27,871 --> 01:34:29,205 She was my mother. 1837 01:34:29,455 --> 01:34:31,833 You know, I was trying to make her comfortable 1838 01:34:31,916 --> 01:34:33,543 because she didn't have a husband. 1839 01:34:33,626 --> 01:34:34,627 She was alone. 1840 01:34:34,711 --> 01:34:37,255 But she still didn't like me. 1841 01:34:38,840 --> 01:34:41,384 Even after I became Tina, 1842 01:34:41,467 --> 01:34:44,053 Ma still was a little bit, "Who did that?" 1843 01:34:44,137 --> 01:34:45,346 Or, "Who did this?" 1844 01:34:45,388 --> 01:34:46,556 And I said, "I did it, Ma." 1845 01:34:46,639 --> 01:34:49,267 You know, I was happy to show my mother what I did. 1846 01:34:49,350 --> 01:34:51,769 I had a house, I had gotten a car, 1847 01:34:51,853 --> 01:34:53,521 and she said, "I don't believe it. 1848 01:34:53,605 --> 01:34:55,899 You're my daughter. I know you didn't..." 1849 01:34:55,982 --> 01:34:58,067 Something to this effect. 1850 01:34:59,277 --> 01:35:00,904 Yeah, she... [exhales sharply] 1851 01:35:03,198 --> 01:35:05,200 She didn't want... she didn't want me, 1852 01:35:05,283 --> 01:35:06,993 she didn't want to be around me, 1853 01:35:07,076 --> 01:35:09,287 even though she wanted my success. 1854 01:35:09,370 --> 01:35:11,414 But I did for her... 1855 01:35:11,831 --> 01:35:14,417 as if she loved me. 1856 01:35:17,879 --> 01:35:21,174 - She's had a few kind of ups and downs in her life 1857 01:35:21,257 --> 01:35:24,719 as well, it hasn't been all happy. 1858 01:35:24,802 --> 01:35:26,638 - Right. - Um... 1859 01:35:27,847 --> 01:35:29,557 when she's unhappy, 1860 01:35:29,641 --> 01:35:31,476 how does she deal with it? 1861 01:35:34,646 --> 01:35:37,106 - I would say she... 1862 01:35:40,735 --> 01:35:44,364 She did a great job of dealing with it because... 1863 01:35:45,114 --> 01:35:47,242 she would figure out the problem 1864 01:35:47,325 --> 01:35:49,035 and how to handle it. 1865 01:35:51,746 --> 01:35:54,290 - Would she kind of come running home to you crying? 1866 01:35:54,374 --> 01:35:55,667 - No, no, no. 1867 01:35:55,750 --> 01:35:58,336 No, she figured that out on her own. 1868 01:35:58,920 --> 01:36:01,422 - Have you had any particularly... 1869 01:36:01,798 --> 01:36:04,717 any particular moments that you were really proud of? 1870 01:36:07,887 --> 01:36:12,475 - Well, I've been proud of her ever since she started singing. 1871 01:36:12,558 --> 01:36:14,477 But it's, like... 1872 01:36:15,436 --> 01:36:17,689 a person... some people's 1873 01:36:17,772 --> 01:36:19,565 afraid to climb a ladder 1874 01:36:19,649 --> 01:36:22,026 unless someone's holding it. 1875 01:36:22,819 --> 01:36:24,404 But she's not. 1876 01:36:24,487 --> 01:36:26,739 Once she make that first step on that ladder, 1877 01:36:26,823 --> 01:36:30,410 she keep climbing up, up, up, up. 1878 01:36:30,743 --> 01:36:32,662 She's not afraid. 1879 01:36:32,745 --> 01:36:34,205 She'll try. 1880 01:36:35,081 --> 01:36:38,126 She's not afraid to try anything. 1881 01:36:42,755 --> 01:36:45,216 - Do you think... do you think that now after all the... 1882 01:36:45,300 --> 01:36:47,635 I mean, you've risen to the top of the entertainment field 1883 01:36:47,719 --> 01:36:49,387 but you've maybe sacrificed love... 1884 01:36:49,470 --> 01:36:51,014 - Rising... - This is what readers 1885 01:36:51,097 --> 01:36:53,891 will say... she has no love in her life. 1886 01:36:53,975 --> 01:36:55,893 - Oh, Kurt, we're gonna get really heavy now, 1887 01:36:55,977 --> 01:36:57,395 because I'm drinking. 1888 01:36:57,478 --> 01:36:59,355 - [laughing] Oh, good. - You're gonna find out. 1889 01:36:59,439 --> 01:37:03,192 I have not received love almost ever in my life. 1890 01:37:03,276 --> 01:37:04,902 I did not have it with my mother 1891 01:37:04,986 --> 01:37:06,738 and my father from the beginning of birth, 1892 01:37:06,821 --> 01:37:08,364 and I survived. - Yeah. 1893 01:37:08,448 --> 01:37:10,700 - Why did I get so far without love, Kurt? 1894 01:37:10,783 --> 01:37:12,410 I never had it. 1895 01:37:12,493 --> 01:37:14,912 And if I cry here, it doesn't mean that I pity myself. 1896 01:37:14,996 --> 01:37:16,664 It means that tears come 1897 01:37:16,748 --> 01:37:18,499 with certain memories. - No, tears are not bad. 1898 01:37:18,583 --> 01:37:23,254 - I have had not one love affair 1899 01:37:23,546 --> 01:37:27,050 that was genuine and sustained itself. 1900 01:37:27,133 --> 01:37:29,135 Not one. 1901 01:37:29,427 --> 01:37:31,304 Kurt, I've been through... 1902 01:37:31,429 --> 01:37:33,723 [pounds table] Fucking tons of heartbreak! 1903 01:37:33,806 --> 01:37:35,016 I've analyzed it. 1904 01:37:35,099 --> 01:37:36,684 I said, "What's wrong with me?" 1905 01:37:36,768 --> 01:37:38,311 I've looked in the mirror with myself 1906 01:37:38,394 --> 01:37:40,396 stripped of makeup and without hair. 1907 01:37:40,897 --> 01:37:45,943 Why can someone see the beauty in the woman it is that I am? 1908 01:37:46,027 --> 01:37:48,446 Not a goddamn person that found it. 1909 01:37:49,322 --> 01:37:52,200 [quiet music] 1910 01:37:52,283 --> 01:37:57,330 ♪ ♪ 1911 01:38:53,052 --> 01:38:56,097 [cheers and applause] 1912 01:38:56,180 --> 01:38:59,767 ["Help!" playing] 1913 01:38:59,851 --> 01:39:05,690 ♪ ♪ 1914 01:39:09,402 --> 01:39:11,529 ♪ When I was younger ♪ 1915 01:39:11,612 --> 01:39:16,033 ♪ So much younger than today ♪ 1916 01:39:16,868 --> 01:39:19,745 ♪ Never needed anybody's ♪ 1917 01:39:20,288 --> 01:39:24,083 ♪ Help in any way ♪ 1918 01:39:25,126 --> 01:39:27,587 ♪ Now those days are gone ♪ 1919 01:39:28,212 --> 01:39:31,507 ♪ I'm not so self-assured ♪ 1920 01:39:32,633 --> 01:39:35,887 ♪ Now I find I've changed my mind ♪ 1921 01:39:35,970 --> 01:39:39,348 ♪ I've opened up the doors ♪ 1922 01:39:39,849 --> 01:39:42,727 ♪ So help me if you can ♪ 1923 01:39:42,810 --> 01:39:45,021 ♪ I'm feelin' down ♪ 1924 01:39:46,355 --> 01:39:48,733 [crowd cheering] ♪ And I do ♪ 1925 01:39:48,816 --> 01:39:51,652 ♪ Appreciate you ♪ 1926 01:39:51,736 --> 01:39:53,905 ♪ Bein' round ♪ 1927 01:39:55,615 --> 01:40:00,912 ♪ Oh, help me get my feet back on the ground ♪ 1928 01:40:00,995 --> 01:40:02,914 - ♪ Ooh ♪ 1929 01:40:02,997 --> 01:40:06,584 - ♪ Won't you please, please ♪ 1930 01:40:06,667 --> 01:40:08,544 ♪ Help me? ♪ 1931 01:40:08,628 --> 01:40:12,590 ♪ ♪ 1932 01:40:12,882 --> 01:40:15,134 ♪ And now my life has changed ♪ 1933 01:40:15,510 --> 01:40:19,013 ♪ In, oh, so many ways ♪ 1934 01:40:19,931 --> 01:40:22,225 ♪ And my independence ♪ 1935 01:40:22,767 --> 01:40:25,478 ♪ Seems to vanish in the haze ♪ 1936 01:40:25,561 --> 01:40:27,813 - ♪ Oh, yeah-ea-eah ♪ 1937 01:40:27,897 --> 01:40:30,233 - ♪ Every now and then ♪ 1938 01:40:30,983 --> 01:40:34,028 ♪ I feel so insecure ♪ 1939 01:40:34,779 --> 01:40:37,323 ♪ I know that I just need you ♪ 1940 01:40:37,615 --> 01:40:40,993 ♪ Like I never did before ♪ 1941 01:40:42,078 --> 01:40:44,789 ♪ Help me if you can ♪ 1942 01:40:44,872 --> 01:40:47,083 ♪ I'm feelin' down ♪ 1943 01:40:47,166 --> 01:40:50,044 [crowd cheering] 1944 01:40:50,127 --> 01:40:53,130 ♪ I do appreciate you ♪ 1945 01:40:53,839 --> 01:40:56,551 ♪ Bein' round ♪ 1946 01:40:56,634 --> 01:40:57,885 - ♪ Oh ♪ 1947 01:40:57,969 --> 01:41:00,513 - ♪ Help me get my feet ♪ 1948 01:41:00,596 --> 01:41:03,015 ♪ Back on the ground ♪ 1949 01:41:03,099 --> 01:41:04,934 ♪ ♪ 1950 01:41:05,017 --> 01:41:06,811 ♪ Won't you please ♪ 1951 01:41:06,894 --> 01:41:08,813 ♪ Please ♪ - ♪ Please ♪ 1952 01:41:08,896 --> 01:41:10,982 - ♪ Help me? ♪ 1953 01:41:12,900 --> 01:41:14,694 ♪ Won't you please ♪ 1954 01:41:14,986 --> 01:41:16,779 ♪ Please ♪ - ♪ Please ♪ 1955 01:41:16,862 --> 01:41:18,864 - ♪ Help me? ♪ 1956 01:41:18,948 --> 01:41:20,324 ♪ Oh, yeah, yeah ♪ 1957 01:41:20,575 --> 01:41:22,785 ♪ Oh, please ♪ 1958 01:41:22,868 --> 01:41:30,042 ♪ Please ♪ - ♪ Please ♪ 1959 01:41:30,501 --> 01:41:32,962 [crowd cheering] 1960 01:41:33,045 --> 01:41:37,300 ♪ Mmm, won't you ♪ 1961 01:41:38,092 --> 01:41:40,636 ♪ Please help me? ♪ 1962 01:41:40,720 --> 01:41:41,846 - ♪ Help ♪ 1963 01:41:42,930 --> 01:41:44,515 - ♪ Oh ♪ 1964 01:41:44,765 --> 01:41:45,766 - ♪ Help ♪ 1965 01:41:46,851 --> 01:41:48,811 - ♪ Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh ♪ 1966 01:41:48,894 --> 01:41:49,937 - ♪ Help ♪ 1967 01:41:51,022 --> 01:41:52,023 ♪ Help ♪ 1968 01:41:52,523 --> 01:41:54,859 ♪ ♪ 1969 01:41:54,942 --> 01:42:00,489 - ♪ Oh ♪ 1970 01:42:00,573 --> 01:42:04,243 [cheers and applause] 1971 01:42:04,410 --> 01:42:06,537 [music fades] 1972 01:42:10,499 --> 01:42:12,585 The man that I'm looking for actually has to be 1973 01:42:12,668 --> 01:42:14,337 a very strong man, 1974 01:42:14,420 --> 01:42:16,589 to wear, actually, the trousers, 1975 01:42:16,672 --> 01:42:19,592 but yet not to dominate me. 1976 01:42:19,675 --> 01:42:21,594 And that's fair. 1977 01:42:29,393 --> 01:42:33,022 [crowd clamoring] 1978 01:42:33,189 --> 01:42:34,982 - We met at Cologne Airport. 1979 01:42:35,066 --> 01:42:37,443 Actually, it was at Dusseldorf Airport. 1980 01:42:37,526 --> 01:42:39,612 And her manager, Roger, 1981 01:42:39,695 --> 01:42:43,491 asked me to pick up Tina. 1982 01:42:45,326 --> 01:42:46,494 - He was younger. 1983 01:42:46,577 --> 01:42:48,371 He was 30 years old at the time. 1984 01:42:48,454 --> 01:42:51,540 The prettiest face. I mean, you cannot... 1985 01:42:52,249 --> 01:42:53,834 It was like saying, 1986 01:42:53,918 --> 01:42:55,920 "Where did he come from?" 1987 01:42:56,003 --> 01:42:58,214 He was really so good-looking. 1988 01:42:58,422 --> 01:43:01,258 My heart went ba-boom-ba-ba! 1989 01:43:01,550 --> 01:43:04,720 And it means that a soul has met. 1990 01:43:04,804 --> 01:43:06,430 And my hands were shaking. 1991 01:43:06,806 --> 01:43:11,060 So Roger said to me, "Tina, you ride with Erwin." 1992 01:43:11,143 --> 01:43:14,230 And I wanted to go, "Yay!" [laughing] 1993 01:43:14,313 --> 01:43:16,399 [soft music] 1994 01:43:16,482 --> 01:43:17,900 - We enjoyed the ride. 1995 01:43:17,983 --> 01:43:20,611 I enjoyed driving the artist. 1996 01:43:20,695 --> 01:43:22,613 Actually, a superstar for us 1997 01:43:22,697 --> 01:43:24,657 where you're normally a little nervous, you know. 1998 01:43:24,740 --> 01:43:27,284 But I wasn't nervous either. 1999 01:43:27,368 --> 01:43:29,578 I was just doing the job. 2000 01:43:30,830 --> 01:43:33,582 - When he found out that I liked him, 2001 01:43:33,666 --> 01:43:35,084 he came to America. 2002 01:43:35,418 --> 01:43:38,963 We were in Nashville, I think it was. 2003 01:43:39,046 --> 01:43:40,506 And I said to him, 2004 01:43:40,756 --> 01:43:44,343 "When you come to LA, I want you to make love to me." 2005 01:43:45,511 --> 01:43:47,346 But I thought that I could say that 2006 01:43:47,430 --> 01:43:49,932 'cause I was a free woman... I didn't have a boyfriend. 2007 01:43:50,015 --> 01:43:52,560 I liked him. There was nothing wrong with it. 2008 01:43:52,643 --> 01:43:54,145 It was just sex. 2009 01:43:54,228 --> 01:43:56,814 And he looked at me as if he doesn't... 2010 01:43:56,897 --> 01:43:58,274 [laughing] Didn't believe 2011 01:43:58,357 --> 01:44:00,693 what he was hearing! 2012 01:44:00,901 --> 01:44:03,571 [laughing] I laugh now at the moment, 2013 01:44:03,654 --> 01:44:05,823 because I sometimes get that look 2014 01:44:05,906 --> 01:44:07,950 when I do certain things. 2015 01:44:08,868 --> 01:44:10,244 He was... 2016 01:44:10,828 --> 01:44:13,998 just so, so different. 2017 01:44:14,081 --> 01:44:18,169 So laid-back, so comfortable, so unpretentious. 2018 01:44:20,045 --> 01:44:22,882 And that was the beginning of our relationship. 2019 01:44:22,965 --> 01:44:25,968 [uplifting music] 2020 01:44:26,051 --> 01:44:30,681 ♪ ♪ 2021 01:44:32,767 --> 01:44:34,351 I really needed love. 2022 01:44:34,435 --> 01:44:36,771 I just needed to love a person. 2023 01:44:40,065 --> 01:44:42,276 How many years later, darling, we got married? 2024 01:44:43,194 --> 01:44:44,570 - 27. 2025 01:44:45,237 --> 01:44:48,032 [applause] 2026 01:44:49,533 --> 01:44:51,410 It's love. It's something... 2027 01:44:51,494 --> 01:44:54,330 we both have for each other. 2028 01:44:54,413 --> 01:44:58,667 I always refer to it as an electrical charge. 2029 01:44:58,751 --> 01:45:00,002 I still have it. 2030 01:45:00,127 --> 01:45:02,671 I still have it, and even though when I left her 2031 01:45:02,755 --> 01:45:04,715 two hours ago, three hours ago this morning, 2032 01:45:05,382 --> 01:45:06,926 I still have that feeling. 2033 01:45:07,009 --> 01:45:11,430 That feeling is still with me and is in my heart. 2034 01:45:11,514 --> 01:45:13,516 I feel very warm about this. 2035 01:45:13,599 --> 01:45:16,477 [soft, moving music] 2036 01:45:16,560 --> 01:45:22,566 ♪ ♪ 2037 01:46:17,413 --> 01:46:21,083 [music slows, fades] 2038 01:46:25,004 --> 01:46:26,463 - First a minute to remember 2039 01:46:26,547 --> 01:46:28,591 one of the fathers of rock and roll. 2040 01:46:28,674 --> 01:46:31,969 Ike Turner died today at age 76. 2041 01:46:32,094 --> 01:46:34,597 Back in 1951, Turner helped record 2042 01:46:34,680 --> 01:46:36,765 what is one of the first rock and roll records, 2043 01:46:36,849 --> 01:46:39,852 "Rocket 88," with his band the Kings of Rhythm. 2044 01:46:39,935 --> 01:46:41,478 He may be best known 2045 01:46:41,562 --> 01:46:43,564 as the abusive ex-husband of Tina Turner, 2046 01:46:43,647 --> 01:46:45,357 with whom he performed for many years. 2047 01:46:45,441 --> 01:46:46,775 After their separation, 2048 01:46:46,859 --> 01:46:48,694 Ike Turner continued to make music. 2049 01:46:48,777 --> 01:46:50,529 In 1991, he was inducted 2050 01:46:50,613 --> 01:46:52,156 into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, 2051 01:46:52,239 --> 01:46:55,743 and earlier this year, his record "Risin' with the Blues" 2052 01:46:55,826 --> 01:46:58,329 won a Grammy for traditional blues album. 2053 01:47:00,164 --> 01:47:01,790 - For a long time, I did hate Ike. 2054 01:47:01,874 --> 01:47:02,917 I have to say that. 2055 01:47:03,000 --> 01:47:05,711 But then after he died, 2056 01:47:06,337 --> 01:47:09,048 I really realized that he was a sick person. 2057 01:47:09,131 --> 01:47:12,509 He was an ill person in his soul. 2058 01:47:13,218 --> 01:47:15,387 He did get me started, 2059 01:47:16,180 --> 01:47:19,475 and he was good to me in the beginning. 2060 01:47:19,558 --> 01:47:21,018 So I have some good thoughts. 2061 01:47:22,978 --> 01:47:25,731 Maybe it was a good thing that I met him. 2062 01:47:26,357 --> 01:47:27,775 That I don't know. 2063 01:47:29,276 --> 01:47:32,196 [soft music] 2064 01:47:32,279 --> 01:47:37,076 ♪ ♪ 2065 01:47:44,833 --> 01:47:49,171 It hurts to have to remember those times. 2066 01:47:49,254 --> 01:47:53,008 ♪ ♪ 2067 01:47:53,092 --> 01:47:57,638 But at a certain stage, forgiveness takes over. 2068 01:47:57,721 --> 01:47:59,932 ♪ ♪ 2069 01:48:00,015 --> 01:48:02,184 Forgiving means not to hold on. 2070 01:48:03,268 --> 01:48:06,939 You let it go, because it only hurts you. 2071 01:48:07,356 --> 01:48:09,984 Not forgiving, you suffer, 2072 01:48:10,067 --> 01:48:12,027 'cause you think about it over and over again. 2073 01:48:12,111 --> 01:48:13,737 And for what? 2074 01:48:13,821 --> 01:48:16,782 [uplifting music] 2075 01:48:16,991 --> 01:48:19,034 I had an abusive life. 2076 01:48:19,118 --> 01:48:20,995 There's no other way to tell the story. 2077 01:48:21,078 --> 01:48:23,080 It's a reality. It's a truth. 2078 01:48:24,623 --> 01:48:26,709 That's what you've got. 2079 01:48:26,792 --> 01:48:28,627 So you have to accept it. 2080 01:48:29,586 --> 01:48:33,424 [stirring piano notes] 2081 01:48:33,590 --> 01:48:39,596 ♪ ♪ 2082 01:48:47,021 --> 01:48:49,857 [car horns honk, indistinct chatter] 2083 01:48:52,484 --> 01:48:55,446 ♪ ♪ 2084 01:48:55,529 --> 01:48:58,115 [camera shutters clicking] 2085 01:48:58,198 --> 01:49:00,242 ♪ ♪ 2086 01:49:00,784 --> 01:49:01,744 - Working it. 2087 01:49:01,827 --> 01:49:03,037 Working it, as always. - Why, thank you, honey. 2088 01:49:03,120 --> 01:49:05,372 - Can you tell us what Tina means to you? 2089 01:49:06,331 --> 01:49:08,500 ♪ ♪ 2090 01:49:09,334 --> 01:49:11,045 - The money shot is coming. 2091 01:49:11,128 --> 01:49:15,632 ♪ ♪ 2092 01:49:18,343 --> 01:49:20,262 - Some people say the life that I lived 2093 01:49:20,345 --> 01:49:23,265 and the performances that I gave... 2094 01:49:23,348 --> 01:49:27,352 The appreciation is lasting with the people. 2095 01:49:28,353 --> 01:49:31,273 And, yeah, I should be proud of that. 2096 01:49:31,356 --> 01:49:32,483 I am. 2097 01:49:34,234 --> 01:49:35,736 But when do you stop being proud? 2098 01:49:35,819 --> 01:49:37,613 I mean, when do you... 2099 01:49:37,696 --> 01:49:42,326 How do you bow out slowly, just go away? 2100 01:49:44,578 --> 01:49:45,829 [sighs] 2101 01:49:48,082 --> 01:49:50,751 - She said, "I'm going to America. 2102 01:49:51,085 --> 01:49:54,254 "I'm gonna say goodbye to my American fans, 2103 01:49:54,338 --> 01:49:55,923 and I'll wrap it up." 2104 01:49:56,924 --> 01:50:00,719 And I think this documentary here and the play... 2105 01:50:01,428 --> 01:50:03,305 this is it. 2106 01:50:04,264 --> 01:50:06,433 It's a closure. 2107 01:50:06,517 --> 01:50:07,976 A closure. 2108 01:50:08,519 --> 01:50:11,730 Crowd: Tina, Tina, Tina, Tina! 2109 01:50:11,814 --> 01:50:14,691 [cheers and applause] 2110 01:50:14,775 --> 01:50:18,362 Tina, Tina, Tina, Tina! 2111 01:50:18,570 --> 01:50:21,448 [cheers and applause] 2112 01:50:21,532 --> 01:50:26,245 ♪ ♪ 2113 01:50:30,833 --> 01:50:35,796 - What I gleaned from her life was love... 2114 01:50:36,547 --> 01:50:39,007 love of self, love of her family, 2115 01:50:39,091 --> 01:50:41,802 love of her talent, 2116 01:50:41,885 --> 01:50:43,595 love of audiences, 2117 01:50:43,679 --> 01:50:46,181 of music, of freedom. 2118 01:50:46,473 --> 01:50:50,269 [sweeping instrumentals] 2119 01:50:50,352 --> 01:50:52,938 ♪ ♪ 2120 01:50:53,105 --> 01:50:54,815 There's a part of her, I guess, 2121 01:50:54,898 --> 01:50:57,401 that we've all laid claim to, 2122 01:50:57,526 --> 01:50:59,862 we've all embraced across the world. 2123 01:51:00,195 --> 01:51:02,781 And I hope she knows that, you know, 2124 01:51:02,865 --> 01:51:05,033 how beloved, how loved she is. 2125 01:51:06,160 --> 01:51:09,288 She is absolutely adored. 2126 01:51:09,371 --> 01:51:11,415 [music rises] 2127 01:51:11,582 --> 01:51:14,251 [cheers and applause] 2128 01:51:14,334 --> 01:51:19,548 ♪ ♪ 2129 01:51:50,996 --> 01:51:54,791 [loud cheers and applause] 2130 01:51:57,044 --> 01:52:02,466 ♪ ♪ 2131 01:52:34,915 --> 01:52:36,792 [music ends] 2132 01:52:47,761 --> 01:52:49,596 [cheers and applause] 2133 01:52:49,680 --> 01:52:53,433 ["The Best" playing] 2134 01:52:53,517 --> 01:52:59,523 ♪ ♪ 2135 01:53:07,030 --> 01:53:09,032 - ♪ I'll call you when I need you ♪ 2136 01:53:09,116 --> 01:53:11,493 ♪ My heart's on fire ♪ 2137 01:53:11,618 --> 01:53:15,747 ♪ ♪ 2138 01:53:15,831 --> 01:53:18,000 ♪ Come to me, come to me ♪ 2139 01:53:18,083 --> 01:53:20,085 ♪ Wild and wired ♪ 2140 01:53:20,294 --> 01:53:23,672 ♪ ♪ 2141 01:53:23,755 --> 01:53:25,173 ♪ You come to me ♪ 2142 01:53:26,967 --> 01:53:29,970 ♪ Give me everything I need ♪ 2143 01:53:30,637 --> 01:53:32,681 ♪ ♪ 2144 01:53:32,764 --> 01:53:35,100 ♪ Give me a lifetime of promises ♪ 2145 01:53:35,183 --> 01:53:37,477 ♪ And a world of dreams ♪ 2146 01:53:37,561 --> 01:53:41,189 ♪ ♪ 2147 01:53:41,356 --> 01:53:43,317 ♪ Speak the language of love ♪ 2148 01:53:43,400 --> 01:53:46,278 ♪ Like you know what it means ♪ 2149 01:53:46,445 --> 01:53:49,573 ♪ ♪ 2150 01:53:49,740 --> 01:53:51,533 ♪ And it can't be wrong ♪ 2151 01:53:52,868 --> 01:53:56,580 ♪ Take my heart and make it strong, baby ♪ 2152 01:53:58,040 --> 01:53:59,916 ♪ You're simply the best ♪ 2153 01:54:00,000 --> 01:54:02,669 ♪ ♪ 2154 01:54:02,753 --> 01:54:05,213 ♪ Better than all the rest ♪ 2155 01:54:06,965 --> 01:54:09,551 ♪ Better than anyone ♪ 2156 01:54:11,053 --> 01:54:13,764 ♪ Than anyone I've ever met ♪ 2157 01:54:15,432 --> 01:54:17,934 ♪ I'm stuck on your heart, babe ♪ 2158 01:54:19,686 --> 01:54:22,481 ♪ And I hang on every word you say ♪ 2159 01:54:24,441 --> 01:54:25,901 ♪ Tear us apart ♪ 2160 01:54:26,318 --> 01:54:27,277 ♪ Oh, no ♪ 2161 01:54:28,820 --> 01:54:32,115 ♪ Baby, I would rather be dead ♪ 2162 01:54:33,700 --> 01:54:35,702 ♪ In your heart, I see the start ♪ 2163 01:54:35,786 --> 01:54:37,454 ♪ Of every night and every day ♪ 2164 01:54:37,537 --> 01:54:38,455 - ♪ Oh, yeah ♪ 2165 01:54:38,538 --> 01:54:41,917 ♪ ♪ 2166 01:54:42,209 --> 01:54:44,461 - ♪ In your eyes, I get lost ♪ 2167 01:54:44,544 --> 01:54:46,588 ♪ I get washed away ♪ 2168 01:54:46,671 --> 01:54:50,967 ♪ ♪ 2169 01:54:51,051 --> 01:54:54,262 ♪ Just as long as I'm here in your arms ♪ 2170 01:54:54,346 --> 01:54:57,391 ♪ I could be in no better place ♪ 2171 01:54:58,558 --> 01:55:00,602 ♪ Oh, you're simply the best ♪ 2172 01:55:00,685 --> 01:55:01,728 Whoo! 2173 01:55:03,397 --> 01:55:06,274 ♪ Better than all the rest ♪ 2174 01:55:06,441 --> 01:55:07,484 Whoo! 2175 01:55:07,776 --> 01:55:10,487 ♪ Better than anyone ♪ 2176 01:55:11,905 --> 01:55:14,783 ♪ Than anyone I've ever met ♪ 2177 01:55:15,909 --> 01:55:18,662 ♪ Ooh, I'm stuck on your heart ♪ 2178 01:55:18,745 --> 01:55:20,872 ♪ ♪ 2179 01:55:20,956 --> 01:55:23,500 ♪ And I hang on every word you say ♪ 2180 01:55:24,709 --> 01:55:26,753 ♪ Don't tear us apart ♪ 2181 01:55:27,254 --> 01:55:28,296 ♪ Oh, no ♪ 2182 01:55:29,714 --> 01:55:32,759 ♪ Baby, I would rather be dead ♪ 2183 01:55:32,968 --> 01:55:35,262 ♪ ♪ 2184 01:55:35,387 --> 01:55:38,932 ♪ Each time you leave me I start losing control ♪ 2185 01:55:39,266 --> 01:55:43,228 ♪ You're walkin' away with my heart and my soul ♪ 2186 01:55:44,229 --> 01:55:47,691 ♪ I can feel you even when I'm alone ♪ 2187 01:55:48,275 --> 01:55:49,776 ♪ Oh, baby ♪ 2188 01:55:50,277 --> 01:55:52,571 ♪ Don't let go ♪ 2189 01:55:52,654 --> 01:55:53,655 Whoo! 2190 01:55:53,905 --> 01:55:59,119 ♪ ♪ 2191 01:56:02,914 --> 01:56:03,915 ♪ Oh! ♪ 2192 01:56:04,207 --> 01:56:07,586 Both: ♪ Oh! Oh! Oh! ♪ 2193 01:56:08,962 --> 01:56:11,506 - ♪ You're the best ♪ Sing it, everybody! 2194 01:56:12,924 --> 01:56:15,594 ♪ You're better than all the rest ♪ 2195 01:56:17,471 --> 01:56:19,931 ♪ Better than anyone ♪ 2196 01:56:21,516 --> 01:56:24,352 ♪ Than anyone I've ever met ♪ 2197 01:56:25,395 --> 01:56:28,565 ♪ Ooh, I'm stuck on your heart, baby ♪ 2198 01:56:30,275 --> 01:56:32,777 ♪ And I hang on every word you say ♪ 2199 01:56:34,529 --> 01:56:36,323 ♪ Don't tear us apart ♪ 2200 01:56:36,740 --> 01:56:37,908 ♪ No, no ♪ 2201 01:56:39,284 --> 01:56:42,287 ♪ Baby, I would rather be dead ♪ 2202 01:56:42,871 --> 01:56:44,998 ♪ Oh, you're the best ♪ 2203 01:56:45,415 --> 01:56:51,421 ♪ ♪ 2204 01:57:04,684 --> 01:57:07,229 ♪ Yeah, simply the best, yeah ♪ 2205 01:57:08,063 --> 01:57:09,147 ♪ Oh ♪ 2206 01:57:09,356 --> 01:57:12,025 ♪ You're better than all the rest ♪ 2207 01:57:13,985 --> 01:57:16,321 ♪ Better than anyone ♪ 2208 01:57:17,739 --> 01:57:20,700 ♪ Than anyone I ever met ♪ 2209 01:57:21,826 --> 01:57:25,038 ♪ I'm stuck on your heart, baby ♪ 2210 01:57:26,623 --> 01:57:29,292 ♪ And I hang on every word you say ♪ 2211 01:57:30,794 --> 01:57:33,838 ♪ Don't tear us apart, no, no ♪ 2212 01:57:35,674 --> 01:57:38,385 ♪ Baby, I would rather be dead ♪ 2213 01:57:39,052 --> 01:57:41,096 ♪ Oh, you're the best ♪ 2214 01:57:41,513 --> 01:57:44,057 [cheers and applause] 2215 01:57:44,140 --> 01:57:49,104 ♪ ♪ 2216 01:57:49,646 --> 01:57:50,855 [end chords] 2217 01:57:50,981 --> 01:57:53,066 [cheers and applause] 2218 01:57:53,149 --> 01:57:54,401 Thank you! 2219 01:57:58,405 --> 01:58:02,200 [cheers and applause fade]