1 00:00:04,005 --> 00:00:06,913 - ( shouting ) - you can hear some megaphones in the background. 2 00:00:07,008 --> 00:00:08,899 It's some r. Kelly supporters. 3 00:00:08,917 --> 00:00:12,736 - ( shouting indistinctly ) - free r. Kelly! 4 00:00:12,755 --> 00:00:16,089 - Free r. Kelly. - Are you guys part of a big group of supporters? 5 00:00:16,183 --> 00:00:20,185 - The enterprise. - We call ourselves the enterprise. 6 00:00:20,412 --> 00:00:22,929 All the women are criminals. They are liars. 7 00:00:23,082 --> 00:00:27,509 I'm being bullied. Every day, I'm reliving the hell because of his fans. 8 00:00:27,603 --> 00:00:29,753 - Not guilty! - Not guilty! 9 00:00:29,846 --> 00:00:32,256 I've gotten threats. I mean, they've come after my children. 10 00:00:32,349 --> 00:00:34,274 My oldest daughter gets cyber-bullied. 11 00:00:34,368 --> 00:00:36,851 God summoned me and wanted my voice in this fight. 12 00:00:36,945 --> 00:00:40,597 He should be acquitted of. Drop the charges because they lying. 13 00:00:40,616 --> 00:00:43,024 He raped young black girls. 14 00:00:43,118 --> 00:00:44,859 Get out! Shut the ( bleep ) up! 15 00:00:44,953 --> 00:00:47,271 The prosecutor has fabricated her story 16 00:00:47,289 --> 00:00:48,863 To change it up to fit their narrative. 17 00:00:48,883 --> 00:00:52,959 Robert is still the ( bleep ) king of r&b. 18 00:00:53,054 --> 00:00:54,961 Why do we have to go through online bullying... 19 00:00:55,056 --> 00:00:56,446 It's about the money. 20 00:00:56,465 --> 00:00:59,449 ...Death threats, depression... 21 00:00:59,543 --> 00:01:01,451 - We're not giving up. - ...Anxiety... 22 00:01:01,545 --> 00:01:03,044 They have violated a lot of his rights. 23 00:01:03,064 --> 00:01:06,123 ...All for speaking about something horrific 24 00:01:06,216 --> 00:01:08,692 That we went through, that we survived? 25 00:01:13,816 --> 00:01:17,659 ( theme music playing ) 26 00:01:42,419 --> 00:01:46,105 Azriel clary's testimony is just horrifying to read. 27 00:01:46,332 --> 00:01:49,333 The little piece of me that wanted him to get some help, 28 00:01:49,351 --> 00:01:51,351 - It just went out the window. - The fight continues. 29 00:01:51,503 --> 00:01:53,170 Tim's daughter is still there. 30 00:01:53,263 --> 00:01:54,762 When we walked into the courthouse, 31 00:01:54,857 --> 00:01:57,023 I saw joycelyn's handler. 32 00:01:57,118 --> 00:01:59,434 And I said, "don't you have my daughter?" and she said, "yes." 33 00:01:59,528 --> 00:02:02,529 His entourage wanted these women's allegations to be snuffed. 34 00:02:02,623 --> 00:02:04,957 He wanted to kill six people. 35 00:02:05,184 --> 00:02:06,516 They've threatened to kill my daughter. 36 00:02:06,610 --> 00:02:08,443 I can't even put my kids in school. 37 00:02:08,462 --> 00:02:11,872 A lot of us were, like, shut down. 38 00:02:11,966 --> 00:02:16,969 Ready to just go in there, tell my truth, and walk out. 39 00:02:18,714 --> 00:02:20,389 We about to make him mad. 40 00:02:26,296 --> 00:02:28,796 It was very sad to me to see so many black people, 41 00:02:28,816 --> 00:02:31,150 Middle aged black people in the middle of a pandemic, 42 00:02:31,377 --> 00:02:33,059 Who should be at home raising their children 43 00:02:33,154 --> 00:02:37,823 Outside with sidewalk chalk mocking survivors. 44 00:02:37,974 --> 00:02:41,735 The irony around protesting and drawing in chalk, 45 00:02:41,887 --> 00:02:44,054 Like we do as children, 46 00:02:44,072 --> 00:02:47,240 Protestors were using that same medium 47 00:02:47,334 --> 00:02:48,983 While he is on trial 48 00:02:49,003 --> 00:02:53,580 For sex-trafficking and raping minors 49 00:02:53,674 --> 00:02:55,399 And black girls. 50 00:02:55,492 --> 00:02:58,418 We do a lot of work in our culture 51 00:02:58,570 --> 00:03:01,405 Of not holding the person 52 00:03:01,423 --> 00:03:03,089 Who's committing these acts responsible. 53 00:03:03,184 --> 00:03:05,851 We are willing to blame everyone else around them. 54 00:03:06,002 --> 00:03:10,080 You have to do so much work to break the silence. 55 00:03:10,098 --> 00:03:11,932 The longer we continue to protect the assailants 56 00:03:12,084 --> 00:03:13,341 At the expense of victims, 57 00:03:13,435 --> 00:03:15,101 We're just perpetuating this crisis 58 00:03:15,254 --> 00:03:18,179 Without any end in sight. 59 00:03:18,273 --> 00:03:21,591 Even people who don't know him personally have an affinity for him 60 00:03:21,685 --> 00:03:24,444 Because his music has been the backdrop 61 00:03:24,538 --> 00:03:27,021 Of some of these very significant moments for people. 62 00:03:27,041 --> 00:03:29,875 They're protecting not only their memories 63 00:03:30,102 --> 00:03:32,285 And their association with their music 64 00:03:32,438 --> 00:03:35,956 But also this idea of protecting this black man who's being targeted, 65 00:03:36,050 --> 00:03:39,218 Not that he may actually be someone who's harmful. 66 00:03:40,888 --> 00:03:43,871 I couldn't believe in 2021 that anybody... 67 00:03:43,891 --> 00:03:45,782 - Had sidewalk chalk. - ...Was still supporting this person. 68 00:03:45,801 --> 00:03:48,618 - Right! - And would do it publicly. 69 00:03:48,637 --> 00:03:53,473 Go down to the courthouse to be seen in the news publicly 70 00:03:53,567 --> 00:03:59,629 Supporting someone who is a well documented serial abuser. 71 00:03:59,723 --> 00:04:02,482 - I was shocked. - This is how much fan I am 72 00:04:02,576 --> 00:04:04,058 Of mr. Robert sylvester kelly. 73 00:04:04,078 --> 00:04:05,802 And you got this why? 74 00:04:05,821 --> 00:04:07,496 For justice for r. Kelly, my support for him. 75 00:04:15,756 --> 00:04:20,333 They've had some crazy supporters acting out, 76 00:04:20,486 --> 00:04:25,655 So that's why I'm trying to look around and see what I see. 77 00:04:25,674 --> 00:04:27,007 Do you see that girl at the door right there 78 00:04:27,159 --> 00:04:28,825 - With that red hair? - Yeah. 79 00:04:28,844 --> 00:04:30,510 That's joyce's handler. 80 00:04:30,662 --> 00:04:32,587 You see she got her hand on her hip 81 00:04:32,606 --> 00:04:33,755 Looking at me like, "who is that?" 82 00:04:33,774 --> 00:04:35,499 Oh, my god. 83 00:04:35,592 --> 00:04:39,278 That's the one jonjelyn told me was her handler. 84 00:04:39,505 --> 00:04:43,006 I mean, she's there every day. That's crazy. 85 00:04:43,025 --> 00:04:44,283 She keep looking at me. 86 00:04:44,510 --> 00:04:45,933 Careful. 87 00:04:45,953 --> 00:04:46,952 I am. 88 00:04:51,441 --> 00:04:54,184 When you were on the stand, I was a nervous wreck 89 00:04:54,277 --> 00:04:57,037 Because I was worried about you. 90 00:04:57,131 --> 00:04:59,781 Walking into the courtroom and having to see this fool, 91 00:04:59,875 --> 00:05:02,526 - You were on my mind heavy. - Yeah. 92 00:05:02,619 --> 00:05:03,543 Thank you. 93 00:05:03,637 --> 00:05:05,453 My name is faith, 94 00:05:05,547 --> 00:05:08,715 And I was listed as jane doe number six 95 00:05:08,809 --> 00:05:10,475 In the r. Kelly trial. 96 00:05:18,986 --> 00:05:21,227 Here goes nothing. 97 00:05:21,380 --> 00:05:23,380 Here goes the last of everything. 98 00:05:23,473 --> 00:05:25,139 Once I made it down the escalator 99 00:05:25,159 --> 00:05:27,308 Into the to the car with prosecutors, 100 00:05:27,328 --> 00:05:28,885 I was like, "this is really happening. 101 00:05:28,904 --> 00:05:30,645 I'm really dressed to go to trial." 102 00:05:30,739 --> 00:05:32,556 I couldn't go to the trial 103 00:05:32,649 --> 00:05:35,483 Because I was gonna be testifying. 104 00:05:35,577 --> 00:05:39,338 So they don't allow me to, you know, 105 00:05:39,565 --> 00:05:42,582 Sit in the courtroom and hear faith's testimony. 106 00:05:42,676 --> 00:05:45,902 I wanted to be there for my daughter. She wanted me there. 107 00:05:45,921 --> 00:05:49,664 Faith was 19 when all this started. She's 24 now. 108 00:05:49,758 --> 00:05:52,576 I'm sure she's gonna be confident. She's gonna handle herself. 109 00:05:52,669 --> 00:05:55,412 I think the truth will speak for itself. 110 00:05:55,505 --> 00:05:59,691 Walking into the courtroom to get ready 111 00:05:59,918 --> 00:06:03,753 To testify is very serious. Nobody's smiling. 112 00:06:03,772 --> 00:06:06,089 Everybody's just, like, blank, looking at each other. 113 00:06:06,108 --> 00:06:09,701 I didn't make any eye contact with anybody but r. Kelly. 114 00:06:09,928 --> 00:06:13,538 It was very awkward I think for him to see me 115 00:06:13,690 --> 00:06:16,950 Not only in that setting, but now I am older. 116 00:06:17,102 --> 00:06:18,710 I don't look the same. 117 00:06:18,937 --> 00:06:22,214 Going over every incident that happened, 118 00:06:22,441 --> 00:06:23,957 It was embarrassing 119 00:06:24,109 --> 00:06:26,367 Because there were certain situations 120 00:06:26,461 --> 00:06:29,370 That I hadn't really explained 121 00:06:29,390 --> 00:06:31,706 To either one of my parents in depth, 122 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:35,227 So it kind of was just making my palms sweat the whole time. 123 00:06:35,454 --> 00:06:38,455 Seeing and hearing what he did with my daughter, 124 00:06:38,548 --> 00:06:41,233 It was very, very difficult, 125 00:06:41,460 --> 00:06:44,310 And I did a lot of praying sitting there. 126 00:06:44,405 --> 00:06:46,796 When I was testifying 127 00:06:46,890 --> 00:06:49,633 And I was describing his behavior, 128 00:06:49,651 --> 00:06:51,076 That was strange to me. 129 00:06:54,230 --> 00:06:57,323 The juror was laughing, and I looked. 130 00:06:57,476 --> 00:06:59,567 And I was just confused 131 00:06:59,661 --> 00:07:02,921 Because you don't know if these people, 132 00:07:03,148 --> 00:07:05,815 If they understand, if they don't understand, 133 00:07:05,909 --> 00:07:10,153 Or if they're really his fans hidden. 134 00:07:10,246 --> 00:07:13,432 You really don't know. I was like, "is anybody gonna say anything?" 135 00:07:13,583 --> 00:07:15,659 You know? "somebody's laughing in the courtroom." 136 00:07:15,677 --> 00:07:19,846 It can be re-traumatizing to have to speak your truth 137 00:07:19,940 --> 00:07:23,775 And process the trauma in a courtroom full of people 138 00:07:24,002 --> 00:07:26,503 And a jury who might not believe you. 139 00:07:26,521 --> 00:07:30,173 There's often a belief that they will be blamed for the trauma. 140 00:07:30,266 --> 00:07:32,025 Faith: It was one of those things where it threw me off, 141 00:07:32,177 --> 00:07:33,935 It didn't make me feel confident. 142 00:07:33,954 --> 00:07:36,121 'cause I know my dad can hear this, you know? 143 00:07:36,348 --> 00:07:38,957 I just had to kinda just have my guard down. 144 00:07:39,108 --> 00:07:42,185 I couldn't have any pride about that situation. 145 00:07:42,204 --> 00:07:45,355 Some of his supporters and the bloggers that support him were there. 146 00:07:45,448 --> 00:07:46,965 They were giving me dirty looks. 147 00:07:47,192 --> 00:07:51,027 They were saying things-- "liar" and "b-I-t-c-h." 148 00:07:51,046 --> 00:07:53,379 I did turn around and look right at that blogger, 149 00:07:53,532 --> 00:07:55,140 And I was very disturbed. 150 00:07:55,367 --> 00:07:57,534 However, I brought myself back into character 151 00:07:57,552 --> 00:07:59,369 Because I knew I was in a court of law, 152 00:07:59,462 --> 00:08:03,039 And I needed to act accordingly. 153 00:08:03,058 --> 00:08:06,276 But it was very difficult being there. 154 00:08:08,396 --> 00:08:10,880 Consent of adults does not mean 155 00:08:10,974 --> 00:08:13,325 That no crime has been committed against them. 156 00:08:13,476 --> 00:08:15,977 If they had been transported across state lines 157 00:08:15,996 --> 00:08:18,497 For illicit, immoral purposes, 158 00:08:18,648 --> 00:08:22,742 That may very well be a federal crime-- mann act violation. 159 00:08:22,836 --> 00:08:25,578 Reporter: Faith traveled several times from san antonio 160 00:08:25,731 --> 00:08:27,506 To various cities across the country 161 00:08:27,733 --> 00:08:30,400 To visit kelly over the course of their relationship. 162 00:08:30,493 --> 00:08:32,569 She testified all of the trips were booked 163 00:08:32,587 --> 00:08:34,829 By one of kelly's female assistants. 164 00:08:34,848 --> 00:08:37,757 During these trips, kelly always demanded sex. 165 00:08:37,851 --> 00:08:39,926 Gloria allred: A business empire such as r. Kelly's 166 00:08:40,078 --> 00:08:45,339 Was used to assist in recruiting them, transporting them. 167 00:08:45,433 --> 00:08:47,267 There were absolutely enablers, 168 00:08:47,419 --> 00:08:48,527 With management-- oh, absolutely. 169 00:08:48,678 --> 00:08:51,846 He couldn't do this by himself. It's impossible. 170 00:08:51,940 --> 00:08:54,440 From the plane tickets to the hotels, 171 00:08:54,593 --> 00:08:59,037 It's clear as day that there were enablers. 172 00:08:59,188 --> 00:09:01,281 The defense, I think it was one of the first things 173 00:09:01,375 --> 00:09:04,376 They said in their opening statement was rico. 174 00:09:04,527 --> 00:09:06,936 "rico is about the mob," a group of people 175 00:09:07,030 --> 00:09:08,696 That get together to commit a crime. 176 00:09:08,790 --> 00:09:11,274 And r. Kelly's not john gotti, 177 00:09:11,293 --> 00:09:15,128 But here what r. Kelly perpetrated was a criminal enterprise. 178 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:18,615 R. Kelly's team would find them, 179 00:09:18,633 --> 00:09:20,617 Would give them the same phone numbers, 180 00:09:20,635 --> 00:09:23,970 Would then fly them in, bus them in, drive them in, 181 00:09:24,064 --> 00:09:26,982 And it was sort of the same m.O. Over and over again. 182 00:09:34,408 --> 00:09:38,651 Faith: There was a moment in the trial where I had to talk about 183 00:09:38,804 --> 00:09:40,820 The time when I was in the studio 184 00:09:40,972 --> 00:09:42,414 And he questioned me with a gun. 185 00:09:52,484 --> 00:09:54,909 You know, you got a gun, and there's my daughter, 186 00:09:55,003 --> 00:09:56,744 And then you're manipulating her. 187 00:09:56,838 --> 00:09:58,504 It was one of those things 188 00:09:58,657 --> 00:10:00,323 Where I really just had to 189 00:10:00,342 --> 00:10:02,767 Just take a deep breath, 190 00:10:02,994 --> 00:10:06,229 Get through it, and it happened, you know? 191 00:10:10,777 --> 00:10:13,686 Some people have a switch, and you can say something to make them go off. 192 00:10:13,839 --> 00:10:16,172 - He's one of those people. - Kathryn m. Martin: One of the predicate acts 193 00:10:16,191 --> 00:10:18,191 Involving faith was forced labor. 194 00:10:18,343 --> 00:10:20,677 When the gun entered the picture, 195 00:10:20,770 --> 00:10:22,621 She talks about being intimidated. 196 00:10:22,772 --> 00:10:25,348 She talks about thinking that r. Kelly was unpredictable, 197 00:10:25,441 --> 00:10:27,016 Not knowing what would happen next, 198 00:10:27,110 --> 00:10:29,869 And that specifically constitutes forced labor, 199 00:10:30,021 --> 00:10:31,779 Because there's a threat of harm, 200 00:10:31,873 --> 00:10:33,447 And it forces an individual 201 00:10:33,467 --> 00:10:35,358 To do something they normally would not have done. 202 00:10:35,377 --> 00:10:37,802 It was an intimidation tactic, you know what I mean? 203 00:10:37,954 --> 00:10:42,641 - That he pulled out a gun and had us sitting... - Mm-hmm. 204 00:10:42,868 --> 00:10:45,459 At that point, that's when anger rose up in me. 205 00:10:45,553 --> 00:10:49,706 That very thought of him doing that to her at the moment, 206 00:10:49,724 --> 00:10:52,208 It made that violent side 207 00:10:52,227 --> 00:10:55,820 That I know I can have come up in me. 208 00:11:04,389 --> 00:11:06,498 I'm glad I made it out of that situation. 209 00:11:06,649 --> 00:11:08,892 It was one of those moments where I didn't realize 210 00:11:08,910 --> 00:11:10,894 Till I was sitting in trial, 211 00:11:10,912 --> 00:11:13,746 Every time I had to go further in my testimony 212 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:17,842 I saw each moment got worse and worse and worse. 213 00:11:18,069 --> 00:11:19,569 You know, one of the most disturbing things 214 00:11:19,587 --> 00:11:23,014 About being there was doing her testimony 215 00:11:23,241 --> 00:11:26,851 When she indicated that he had asked her, 216 00:11:27,078 --> 00:11:29,429 "come over here and rub daddy's head." 217 00:11:29,581 --> 00:11:31,022 Some evidence was being played, 218 00:11:31,249 --> 00:11:33,358 And his music was being played in the background. 219 00:11:33,509 --> 00:11:34,934 Alanna vagianos: From my understanding, 220 00:11:35,086 --> 00:11:36,695 Press was only allowed to hear the audio. 221 00:11:36,846 --> 00:11:39,589 Jury was hearing audio and watching the video as well. 222 00:11:39,682 --> 00:11:43,426 It showed something along the lines of faith and kelly in a recording studio, 223 00:11:43,445 --> 00:11:45,870 And they were playing some of kelly's music. 224 00:11:46,022 --> 00:11:48,707 And he was just bobbing his head to the music 225 00:11:48,858 --> 00:11:51,617 And almost taking over that moment 226 00:11:51,770 --> 00:11:54,270 That was supposed to be about the evidence 227 00:11:54,363 --> 00:11:56,622 And making it, like, a show. 228 00:11:56,775 --> 00:11:59,108 Julia reinstein: And at first, you know, I thought maybe it was 229 00:11:59,127 --> 00:12:02,203 Just a one-time thing that he did by accident, but he kept doing it. 230 00:12:02,222 --> 00:12:06,115 He was vibing to his own music that was being played 231 00:12:06,134 --> 00:12:09,118 From the audio of him abusing a woman. 232 00:12:09,212 --> 00:12:12,564 It really showed the level of... 233 00:12:12,715 --> 00:12:15,716 Narcissism, delusion, 234 00:12:15,736 --> 00:12:18,385 Menacing, manipul-- 235 00:12:18,405 --> 00:12:22,465 Literally, it felt evil. 236 00:12:22,484 --> 00:12:25,559 At the moment, it's good that I was one the other side 237 00:12:25,653 --> 00:12:29,581 And wasn't in the courthouse, because to see that arrogancy 238 00:12:29,732 --> 00:12:33,142 And that no sense of seriousness of what's happening 239 00:12:33,161 --> 00:12:35,328 And your whole future's at stake, 240 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,164 And now the music sounds good? 241 00:12:38,258 --> 00:12:42,335 - It was just very, very disturbing. - Wow. 242 00:12:42,487 --> 00:12:45,488 One of the characteristics of narcissistic behavior 243 00:12:45,507 --> 00:12:49,601 Is a complete lack of responsibility for one's own actions. 244 00:12:49,752 --> 00:12:53,679 A perfect example of this is displaying a lack of empathy for the survivors. 245 00:12:53,774 --> 00:12:56,107 For narcissistic people, people are very much objects 246 00:12:56,259 --> 00:12:58,668 That they sort of use and discard. 247 00:12:58,686 --> 00:13:00,427 They become drunk on their own power. 248 00:13:00,447 --> 00:13:04,007 There are many micro-behaviors 249 00:13:04,100 --> 00:13:05,950 That perpetrators and abusers use 250 00:13:06,177 --> 00:13:09,512 To keep their victims in line, so to speak. 251 00:13:09,605 --> 00:13:11,681 Perpetrators will do that in court. 252 00:13:11,774 --> 00:13:13,699 It's an effort to exert control. 253 00:13:13,852 --> 00:13:17,353 You know, a cough that the survivors recognized 254 00:13:17,372 --> 00:13:20,523 As kind of a way to signal, "I'm in the room and I'm watching you." 255 00:13:20,542 --> 00:13:23,450 In addition to just the anxiety and the fear, 256 00:13:23,470 --> 00:13:26,620 Having to deal with some of those triggers and activators 257 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,957 In the courtroom and still continue on 258 00:13:29,976 --> 00:13:31,625 Is really challenging, 259 00:13:31,645 --> 00:13:34,979 Which makes again, when survivors testify, 260 00:13:35,131 --> 00:13:37,315 It is really kind of a hero's work. 261 00:13:39,711 --> 00:13:43,212 Getting cross-examined was really dramatic. 262 00:13:43,231 --> 00:13:46,049 He'd be like, "you flew to see my client." 263 00:13:46,067 --> 00:13:49,068 But he'd be like, "you flew to see my client!" 264 00:13:49,220 --> 00:13:52,388 There would be times when I would ask him to repeat the question. 265 00:13:52,407 --> 00:13:54,574 He would get upset, and he would just stare and look at me. 266 00:13:54,726 --> 00:13:57,743 He'd be like, "you know!" 267 00:13:57,896 --> 00:14:00,413 But there was nothing that they threw at me 268 00:14:00,565 --> 00:14:03,249 That hadn't already been thrown at me in the media, 269 00:14:03,401 --> 00:14:06,069 So it was just trying to bash me and tear me down 270 00:14:06,087 --> 00:14:07,679 Or make me seem like a gold-digger. 271 00:14:07,830 --> 00:14:10,348 Everything, of course, that somebody would say 272 00:14:10,575 --> 00:14:11,683 When they're trying to get out of jail. 273 00:14:11,910 --> 00:14:15,094 So I wasn't mad at him, but terrible job, guys. 274 00:14:15,188 --> 00:14:16,913 Terrible job. 275 00:14:16,931 --> 00:14:19,023 The defense for the perpetrator 276 00:14:19,250 --> 00:14:21,526 Might try to trigger some emotional reactions 277 00:14:21,677 --> 00:14:23,269 Or might try to put you in a place 278 00:14:23,421 --> 00:14:25,363 Where you're thinking with your emotional mind 279 00:14:25,590 --> 00:14:28,849 To sway the courtroom's perception of you, 280 00:14:28,943 --> 00:14:30,702 To make you look unstable, 281 00:14:30,853 --> 00:14:33,854 To make you look like you're someone who is unreliable. 282 00:14:33,948 --> 00:14:37,433 Alanna vagianos: Faith's testimony was pretty riveting. 283 00:14:37,526 --> 00:14:43,364 She was an absolutely unflappable the entire time. She was poised. 284 00:14:43,383 --> 00:14:46,125 She was taking no ( bleep ) from the defense attorney. 285 00:14:46,219 --> 00:14:50,279 She was immovable, and I was, as a journalist, 286 00:14:50,298 --> 00:14:52,465 Very impressed with her ability 287 00:14:52,617 --> 00:14:54,708 To get badgered with questions, 288 00:14:54,728 --> 00:14:57,803 Questions that, you know, talked about her motive 289 00:14:57,956 --> 00:14:59,230 Or slut-shamed her, 290 00:14:59,382 --> 00:15:01,566 And for ability to answer them coolly 291 00:15:01,717 --> 00:15:03,192 And very collected. 292 00:15:08,575 --> 00:15:11,075 One of the great things the prosecution did 293 00:15:11,302 --> 00:15:13,152 Was not only have these women on the stand 294 00:15:13,246 --> 00:15:15,321 Testifying about the abuse, but having other members 295 00:15:15,473 --> 00:15:17,323 Of either their family or people around them 296 00:15:17,417 --> 00:15:19,976 Kind of corroborate the abuse that they had endured. 297 00:15:20,069 --> 00:15:25,406 Faith's mom kelly went on the stand to testify about the intimidation 298 00:15:25,425 --> 00:15:28,259 That r. Kelly's team instilled upon faith. 299 00:15:28,411 --> 00:15:31,320 It was time for me to testify, and here it is, 300 00:15:31,339 --> 00:15:35,992 I'm finna face the man that violated my daughter. 301 00:15:36,010 --> 00:15:39,495 But I walked in with my authority. 302 00:15:39,588 --> 00:15:41,347 Girl, he wouldn't look at me. 303 00:15:41,499 --> 00:15:44,609 The whole time I talked, I looked dead at him. 304 00:15:44,836 --> 00:15:46,945 I wanted to leap out that chair. 305 00:15:47,096 --> 00:15:48,688 - Just take the chair-- - girl, I was doing like this 306 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:50,173 In the chair, you know? 307 00:15:50,191 --> 00:15:52,358 Oh, was that you who told me 308 00:15:52,510 --> 00:15:54,268 If I did something, you'd have my bail money? 309 00:15:54,287 --> 00:15:56,603 Yeah, that was me. 310 00:15:56,623 --> 00:15:58,957 It was awkward, because at that point 311 00:15:59,184 --> 00:16:02,018 I'm letting you know I'm faith's mama. 312 00:16:02,111 --> 00:16:06,689 I don't appreciate what you did to my daughter, and I'm not intimidated. 313 00:16:06,782 --> 00:16:08,967 You did not get away with it. 314 00:16:09,194 --> 00:16:12,119 Now on the legal side of the rico charges, 315 00:16:12,213 --> 00:16:15,473 There's that flower of enablers 316 00:16:15,624 --> 00:16:19,793 That helped him run this enterprise. 317 00:16:19,887 --> 00:16:21,962 He didn't do it alone, 318 00:16:21,982 --> 00:16:26,484 And for me, I don't think he should be charged alone. 319 00:16:26,635 --> 00:16:30,154 The intimidation tactics remain real. 320 00:16:30,306 --> 00:16:33,049 This is part of dealing with someone, 321 00:16:33,067 --> 00:16:35,384 A predator who has actual resources. 322 00:16:35,403 --> 00:16:38,162 R. Kelly worked very hard to make sure 323 00:16:38,314 --> 00:16:40,665 That it would be difficult for these survivors 324 00:16:40,816 --> 00:16:42,575 To come forward with their story. 325 00:16:42,727 --> 00:16:44,410 And it could be threats of physical violence 326 00:16:44,562 --> 00:16:46,395 Against their families and their loved ones. 327 00:16:46,414 --> 00:16:48,731 "I'll always be able to get to you." 328 00:16:48,750 --> 00:16:50,082 "you'll never be safe from me." 329 00:16:50,235 --> 00:16:52,326 "no one's gonna believe you, 330 00:16:52,345 --> 00:16:54,161 And you're not gonna take me down, 331 00:16:54,180 --> 00:16:55,921 And you're not gonna stop me." 332 00:16:56,074 --> 00:16:58,758 Part of faith's story that is very interesting 333 00:16:58,852 --> 00:17:02,411 Was that her case created other criminal trials. 334 00:17:02,430 --> 00:17:04,080 And her mother also testified, 335 00:17:04,098 --> 00:17:05,339 And one of the things she said 336 00:17:05,358 --> 00:17:07,416 Was she tried to go to a premiere 337 00:17:07,435 --> 00:17:09,193 For the first "surviving r. Kelly," 338 00:17:09,345 --> 00:17:12,438 Which was closed down because of a threat, 339 00:17:12,590 --> 00:17:15,091 Which we now know was a member of r. Kelly's entourage 340 00:17:15,109 --> 00:17:16,425 Who called in that threat, 341 00:17:16,519 --> 00:17:18,444 Making it clear that if you cross 342 00:17:18,538 --> 00:17:21,205 R. Kelly and his team, "we'll come back and get you." 343 00:17:22,375 --> 00:17:25,543 When we were in new york 344 00:17:25,694 --> 00:17:27,119 At the premiere... 345 00:17:27,213 --> 00:17:29,272 ( crowd chatter ) 346 00:17:29,290 --> 00:17:30,548 Somebody had called in a gun threat. 347 00:17:32,368 --> 00:17:33,867 Kelly rodgers: We all went back to the hotel. 348 00:17:33,887 --> 00:17:35,869 I walked downstairs, 349 00:17:35,889 --> 00:17:39,373 And this young lady is sitting on the couch. 350 00:17:39,392 --> 00:17:41,117 "hello, mrs. Rodgers. 351 00:17:41,135 --> 00:17:43,619 I got videos of your daughter 352 00:17:43,712 --> 00:17:45,712 On my phone with r. Kelly." 353 00:17:45,732 --> 00:17:49,625 Faith: I ended up sitting down with this employee, 354 00:17:49,718 --> 00:17:52,052 Their security guard, my mom. 355 00:17:52,072 --> 00:17:55,573 He proceeded to move his jacket over, 356 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,968 And I could I see that he had a gun. 357 00:17:58,986 --> 00:18:02,080 She kind of had this weird smirk the whole time 358 00:18:02,231 --> 00:18:04,323 Like everything was a joke to her. 359 00:18:04,417 --> 00:18:07,234 Kelly rodgers: This woman, she proceeded to tell faith, 360 00:18:07,328 --> 00:18:08,978 "here's the content." 361 00:18:08,996 --> 00:18:11,497 Faith slid the phone back, face like, 362 00:18:11,649 --> 00:18:15,334 "I'm not worried about that." and she left. 363 00:18:15,486 --> 00:18:17,929 I mean, it sounded like something out of a movie. 364 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:21,490 It was just-- it sounded like something the mob would do, 365 00:18:21,584 --> 00:18:23,250 But that's what racketeering is. 366 00:18:23,269 --> 00:18:26,104 And it was a shocking thing to hear, 367 00:18:26,331 --> 00:18:31,334 Just the extent that the people who worked for him would go to protect him. 368 00:18:31,352 --> 00:18:34,854 Donnell russell actually went on the youtube show "niqe at nite," 369 00:18:34,948 --> 00:18:39,951 And just flat out denied any involvement with this. 370 00:18:40,102 --> 00:18:41,953 My goal here lately, 'cause rob sent the message out... 371 00:18:44,940 --> 00:18:48,108 When they were premiering "surviving r. Kelly," 372 00:18:48,128 --> 00:18:52,355 There was, I guess, some kind of threat or whatever that was called in, 373 00:18:52,373 --> 00:18:53,689 And they're saying that I had something to do with that threat. 374 00:18:53,708 --> 00:18:54,966 Well, let me just clarify. 375 00:18:55,117 --> 00:18:57,042 Yes, there was a threat called in. 376 00:18:57,195 --> 00:18:59,637 I don't know who made the call. 377 00:18:59,788 --> 00:19:02,456 Kathryn m. Martin: Donnell russell is pending charges 378 00:19:02,475 --> 00:19:03,624 Currently in both the southern district of new york 379 00:19:03,643 --> 00:19:05,125 And the eastern district of new york. 380 00:19:05,145 --> 00:19:07,311 Both those of charges specifically relate 381 00:19:07,538 --> 00:19:11,298 To the premiere of "surviving r. Kelly," 382 00:19:11,317 --> 00:19:13,300 Basically threatening physical harm 383 00:19:13,319 --> 00:19:16,154 And also inter-state stalking faith and her mother kelly. 384 00:19:59,032 --> 00:20:02,608 Everyone in r. Kelly's operation needs to go to jail. 385 00:20:02,702 --> 00:20:04,017 Everyone. 386 00:20:04,111 --> 00:20:06,946 They had a firsthand view 387 00:20:07,098 --> 00:20:10,023 To the child sex-trafficking, 388 00:20:10,043 --> 00:20:13,602 To the physical, emotional, mental abuse, 389 00:20:13,621 --> 00:20:17,381 And everybody had a financial incentive to look the other way. 390 00:20:17,533 --> 00:20:21,293 I want to see these other enablers-- 391 00:20:21,387 --> 00:20:23,462 You know, when are they gonna be held accountable? 392 00:20:23,556 --> 00:20:26,390 - Right. - They slowly getting cracked right now. 393 00:20:26,617 --> 00:20:28,392 They starting to come to light right now. 394 00:20:28,544 --> 00:20:30,286 Julia reinstein: What r. Kelly was on trial for, 395 00:20:30,304 --> 00:20:33,806 It's the idea that he had an organized system in place 396 00:20:33,900 --> 00:20:36,792 That allowed him to commit a variety of crimes 397 00:20:36,811 --> 00:20:38,218 For years on end. 398 00:20:38,312 --> 00:20:39,737 So as part of that, 399 00:20:39,888 --> 00:20:41,464 That meant he had a lot of enablers 400 00:20:41,482 --> 00:20:43,649 Who were keenly aware of what was going on. 401 00:20:43,801 --> 00:20:46,302 They would see that these girls were in danger, 402 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:47,703 And nothing was being done. 403 00:20:50,491 --> 00:20:51,916 - Demetrius smith. - Demetrius smith. 404 00:20:52,067 --> 00:20:54,310 Demetrius smith. 405 00:20:54,328 --> 00:20:56,570 - Officer larry hood. - Larry hood. 406 00:20:56,589 --> 00:20:58,071 Julia reinstein: He was r. Kelly's childhood friend 407 00:20:58,091 --> 00:21:00,574 And also a chicago police officer. 408 00:21:00,593 --> 00:21:02,485 He got up there and testified 409 00:21:02,503 --> 00:21:04,929 And denied seeing r. Kelly with young girls. 410 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,156 But then is immediately asked, "did you ever see him with this girl? 411 00:21:07,174 --> 00:21:10,009 Ever see him with this girl?" and he's like, "yeah." 412 00:21:10,103 --> 00:21:13,437 He said he never saw any young girls at the apartment. 413 00:21:13,664 --> 00:21:16,089 Then, of course, he changed that very quickly 414 00:21:16,109 --> 00:21:18,276 When talked about aaliyah being there. 415 00:21:20,004 --> 00:21:21,520 June brown. 416 00:21:21,614 --> 00:21:24,264 I mean, June going with me to get an abortion, 417 00:21:24,358 --> 00:21:25,766 He pretended he was my uncle. 418 00:21:25,785 --> 00:21:26,933 June is not a bad guy. 419 00:21:26,953 --> 00:21:28,861 Maybe he did know 420 00:21:28,955 --> 00:21:30,846 And tried to turn a blind eye under duress. 421 00:21:30,939 --> 00:21:32,531 It doesn't make it right. 422 00:21:32,683 --> 00:21:34,366 I know for a fact that he felt remorse, 423 00:21:34,519 --> 00:21:35,960 And I feel real bad that he's in that situation. 424 00:21:38,447 --> 00:21:40,781 - Derrel mcdavid. - Derrel mcdavid. 425 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,134 Derrel said that he should have "murked" me from the beginning. 426 00:21:43,361 --> 00:21:45,861 He was settling cases with underage girls. 427 00:21:45,954 --> 00:21:48,864 That's somebody the hat had got me in the club when I was under 21. 428 00:21:48,883 --> 00:21:54,036 I worked for r. Kelly between the years 1999 and 2007. 429 00:21:54,055 --> 00:21:58,207 Derrel mcdavid ran r. Kelly's operation 430 00:21:58,225 --> 00:22:01,152 And had full control over robert's entire income. 431 00:22:01,303 --> 00:22:05,489 Former manager derrel mcdavid left court in chicago today 432 00:22:05,641 --> 00:22:07,658 After pleading not guilty to four federal charges. 433 00:22:07,810 --> 00:22:10,719 He allegedly covered up kelly's incriminating videos 434 00:22:10,738 --> 00:22:13,556 And paid hush money to victims. 435 00:22:13,574 --> 00:22:17,910 Now just to speculate many years later with the amount of women 436 00:22:18,004 --> 00:22:21,672 That had been paid off and signed contracts, 437 00:22:21,899 --> 00:22:23,916 That would've gone through derrel mcdavid. 438 00:22:24,068 --> 00:22:26,085 That would've never gone through robert kelly. 439 00:22:26,237 --> 00:22:31,665 This was not a one-man operation. 440 00:22:31,684 --> 00:22:34,018 Most people in that camp knew 441 00:22:34,169 --> 00:22:37,596 That a lot of these girls were underage. 442 00:22:37,748 --> 00:22:39,264 They had to. 443 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,842 There's a couple concepts in social psychology, 444 00:22:41,936 --> 00:22:43,343 One is called groupthink. 445 00:22:43,363 --> 00:22:45,754 When a group of people get together, 446 00:22:45,773 --> 00:22:48,257 They're at risk of all thinking the same way, 447 00:22:48,275 --> 00:22:50,109 And it's very difficult for someone to speak up 448 00:22:50,261 --> 00:22:51,852 And say, "hey, this is wrong." 449 00:22:51,871 --> 00:22:55,021 And there's another concept called the halo effect. 450 00:22:55,116 --> 00:22:58,191 In r. Kelly's circles, the halo effect might've been at play. 451 00:22:58,211 --> 00:23:01,787 Them looking at him as smarter, as more prestigious, 452 00:23:01,939 --> 00:23:03,714 As more powerful. 453 00:23:03,941 --> 00:23:06,609 The halo effect makes us blindly follow them. 454 00:23:06,702 --> 00:23:09,445 Kathryn m. Martin: When we think about the term "enabler," 455 00:23:09,538 --> 00:23:13,465 An attorney or prosecutor is going to look at the role in the offense. 456 00:23:13,618 --> 00:23:16,727 How involved was the enabler with the crime, 457 00:23:16,879 --> 00:23:19,288 With the enterprise, with the infrastructure, 458 00:23:19,381 --> 00:23:22,549 And as a prosecutor, you're going to think about multiple things. 459 00:23:22,568 --> 00:23:26,311 You're going to think about resources, priorities. 460 00:23:26,464 --> 00:23:28,906 You're going to think about the individual's role in the crime, 461 00:23:29,057 --> 00:23:31,224 What they knew, when they knew it, 462 00:23:31,244 --> 00:23:32,985 And how long they'd been involved. 463 00:23:33,137 --> 00:23:36,138 And not just simply enabling, 464 00:23:36,157 --> 00:23:39,825 Whereas they could be guilty in the court of public opinion for enabling, 465 00:23:39,977 --> 00:23:42,978 Whether or not the prosecutor brings a charge 466 00:23:43,071 --> 00:23:46,090 Will have to do with whether or not they were a party to a crime. 467 00:23:46,317 --> 00:23:51,654 Earlier on, we actually heard from r. Kelly's personal doctor of many years, 468 00:23:51,747 --> 00:23:55,491 And one of the big, contentious things in this trial was about herpes, 469 00:23:55,509 --> 00:23:58,010 Whether r. Kelly had herpes 470 00:23:58,162 --> 00:24:01,163 And whether he gave it to these girls without their consent. 471 00:24:01,182 --> 00:24:03,666 Both of those things, it seemed pretty clear, 472 00:24:03,684 --> 00:24:06,610 It has now been confirmed, yes, definitely true. 473 00:24:09,949 --> 00:24:13,859 Dr. Kris mcgrath says, "I explained safe sex to him." 474 00:24:14,011 --> 00:24:16,845 Kelly allegedly said, according to his doctor, 475 00:24:16,864 --> 00:24:19,031 "you mean I should put a hood on it." 476 00:24:19,183 --> 00:24:21,366 But he never did, and he didn't care, 477 00:24:21,461 --> 00:24:25,521 And he didn't notify the victims he gave herpes to. 478 00:24:25,614 --> 00:24:28,524 I can't say, oh, I felt so happy 479 00:24:28,617 --> 00:24:31,969 That the doctor confirmed he had herpes. 480 00:24:32,196 --> 00:24:35,622 But it was kind of like a, "hm. I told y'all so. 481 00:24:35,641 --> 00:24:37,366 Is anybody gonna say anything? 482 00:24:37,384 --> 00:24:40,035 Are y'all gonna stop calling me a liar now?" 483 00:24:40,128 --> 00:24:43,630 Am I glad that it got exposed? Yes. 484 00:24:43,724 --> 00:24:48,560 But then again, why was nobody talking about this sooner? 485 00:24:48,654 --> 00:24:52,472 I went to the doctor and I found out that I had an std. 486 00:24:52,492 --> 00:24:54,158 And I knew he gave it to me 487 00:24:54,385 --> 00:24:56,660 'cause he was the only person I had been with. 488 00:24:56,812 --> 00:25:00,055 When I was with rob, I did contract genital herpes. 489 00:25:00,148 --> 00:25:03,316 It's something I just have to live with. 490 00:25:03,336 --> 00:25:07,004 Basically what r. Kelly was accused of was having an std 491 00:25:07,231 --> 00:25:10,824 And not telling the people he was having sex with 492 00:25:10,843 --> 00:25:12,234 That he had an std. 493 00:25:12,253 --> 00:25:15,254 It's not just case of a couple 494 00:25:15,406 --> 00:25:18,331 Where an std might've been accidentally transmitted, 495 00:25:18,351 --> 00:25:21,927 And it's really reserved for huge cases like r. Kelly 496 00:25:22,079 --> 00:25:24,079 Where there is a mountain of other evidence 497 00:25:24,098 --> 00:25:26,598 That they're also charging on. 498 00:25:26,751 --> 00:25:29,768 I do think they will go after the larger enablers 499 00:25:29,862 --> 00:25:33,864 Or the more prominent people that were with his organizations for longer periods of time. 500 00:25:36,035 --> 00:25:40,687 There is no way for you to move dozens of young women 501 00:25:40,706 --> 00:25:43,949 - All over the country without having a team... - By yourself. 502 00:25:44,043 --> 00:25:46,285 ...That's gonna make that so and make that possible. 503 00:25:46,437 --> 00:25:47,770 And you gotta pay that team. 504 00:25:47,863 --> 00:25:52,107 And so that was why our boycott 505 00:25:52,126 --> 00:25:54,293 - Hit him in pockets. - Financial. Financial. 506 00:25:54,445 --> 00:25:55,869 So if we're cancelling concerts, 507 00:25:55,888 --> 00:25:57,221 If we're hitting you in your pocket, 508 00:25:57,448 --> 00:25:59,464 You don't have money for all these folks, 509 00:25:59,559 --> 00:26:01,633 And they then have no reason to cover for you. 510 00:26:01,727 --> 00:26:04,787 The mistake people always make in reporting r. Kelly 511 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:06,455 Is not to listen to r. Kelly. 512 00:26:06,473 --> 00:26:09,400 In the last serious piece of music, he sings, 513 00:26:09,551 --> 00:26:11,718 "I admit. I am a broke ass legend." 514 00:26:11,737 --> 00:26:13,737 He ran out of money. 515 00:26:13,964 --> 00:26:15,297 Pilar melendez: After his 2019 arrest, 516 00:26:15,316 --> 00:26:17,149 R. Kelly wasn't able to pay bail, 517 00:26:17,301 --> 00:26:18,892 And someone had to step up and do it for him. 518 00:26:18,911 --> 00:26:21,078 And his publicist even went on cnn 519 00:26:21,229 --> 00:26:24,306 To make it clear that r. Kelly was not the wealthy man 520 00:26:24,399 --> 00:26:27,643 That I think a lot of people associated with him being a superstar. 521 00:26:27,661 --> 00:26:30,329 Joining me now is darrell johnson, a publicist for r. Kelly. 522 00:26:30,481 --> 00:26:32,572 He couldn't come up with $161,000 in child support, 523 00:26:32,666 --> 00:26:35,426 $100,000 in bail money. 524 00:26:35,577 --> 00:26:38,670 - R. Kelly can't come up with that amount of money? - I mean, things happen. 525 00:26:38,823 --> 00:26:40,339 You know, r. Kelly doesn't read that well. 526 00:26:40,491 --> 00:26:41,932 He's not the best writer. 527 00:26:42,159 --> 00:26:44,159 So he mismanaged his money? He spent it all? 528 00:26:44,178 --> 00:26:46,753 A lot of people took advantage of him, too. 529 00:26:46,772 --> 00:26:50,423 What got me was that the people around him 530 00:26:50,443 --> 00:26:52,501 Were just yes men. 531 00:26:52,519 --> 00:26:57,097 And you see him being used by managers, 532 00:26:57,116 --> 00:26:59,116 And you can't tell him anything. 533 00:26:59,343 --> 00:27:02,102 I know he knew that people stole from him, 534 00:27:02,121 --> 00:27:05,364 But I think robert was willing to give 535 00:27:05,516 --> 00:27:07,958 Because he was looking at the bigger picture. 536 00:27:08,185 --> 00:27:12,112 For years I've been at robert about getting somebody to teach him how to read. 537 00:27:12,131 --> 00:27:16,191 He trusts too many people with a lot of different things 538 00:27:16,210 --> 00:27:18,969 That they take advantage of, 539 00:27:19,196 --> 00:27:21,305 Having him sign different things and stuff 540 00:27:21,532 --> 00:27:23,140 That he don't even know what he's signing. 541 00:27:23,291 --> 00:27:27,311 Unfortunately, he's signing over portions of his royalties 542 00:27:27,462 --> 00:27:28,812 And his publishing and stuff like that. 543 00:27:32,134 --> 00:27:34,559 Don russell told me one time 544 00:27:34,712 --> 00:27:36,545 That robert is exactly where he needs to be. 545 00:27:36,563 --> 00:27:39,323 He actually said that to me. 546 00:27:39,474 --> 00:27:42,642 So you can't tell me that you're here 547 00:27:42,662 --> 00:27:45,554 To help my brother telling me something like that. 548 00:27:45,572 --> 00:27:48,666 You make me think that he's where he's at 549 00:27:48,817 --> 00:27:51,168 So you can operate and do what you're trying to do 550 00:27:51,395 --> 00:27:53,562 So you can make money off of his name, 551 00:27:53,655 --> 00:27:55,839 Make money off of his downfall. 552 00:27:55,991 --> 00:27:58,567 I truly believe that. 553 00:27:58,585 --> 00:28:01,345 We keep talking about where the money went. 554 00:28:01,496 --> 00:28:03,255 You know, a big chunk of the money 555 00:28:03,407 --> 00:28:06,183 Went to the lawyers who kept him out of jail, 556 00:28:06,334 --> 00:28:08,927 And a big chunk of the money went to paying off victims. 557 00:28:09,079 --> 00:28:11,021 You can get away with anything in america, 558 00:28:11,173 --> 00:28:14,858 You can buy justice, if you have enough money to do so. 559 00:28:15,085 --> 00:28:18,270 So why has he finally faced justice now? 560 00:28:18,422 --> 00:28:21,031 I think the number one reason is he's broke. 561 00:28:55,626 --> 00:28:59,962 I do want to testify, and I do want to be there, 562 00:28:59,980 --> 00:29:01,888 But it's, like, 563 00:29:01,907 --> 00:29:03,574 I also have a baby that's coming. 564 00:29:03,801 --> 00:29:07,986 And it just-- it makes me really sad that-- 565 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,582 You know, that 16-year-old me wasn't protected. 566 00:29:14,402 --> 00:29:16,995 Honestly, I had never received counseling 567 00:29:17,147 --> 00:29:19,498 For everything I'd been through 568 00:29:19,592 --> 00:29:21,817 From the time I was sexually abused at age four, 569 00:29:21,835 --> 00:29:23,819 Six, and eight. 570 00:29:23,837 --> 00:29:26,412 And then rob, he abused me again at 16, 571 00:29:26,507 --> 00:29:29,249 So abuse was my comfort zone. 572 00:29:29,268 --> 00:29:32,728 Interviewer: Can you describe the physical abuse? 573 00:29:44,432 --> 00:29:47,785 Alanna vagianos: Jerhonda met kelly at his first 574 00:29:48,012 --> 00:29:50,270 Child pornography trial in chicago, 575 00:29:50,364 --> 00:29:54,016 And she went there as a fan. 576 00:29:54,034 --> 00:29:59,445 The fact that jerhonda met kelly while he was in trial, 577 00:29:59,465 --> 00:30:02,357 He meets her at the courtroom 578 00:30:02,376 --> 00:30:05,861 And literally begins preying on his next victim. 579 00:30:05,954 --> 00:30:08,621 You know, if a screenwriter wrote that, 580 00:30:08,641 --> 00:30:10,790 It'd be a little bit hard to believe. 581 00:30:10,884 --> 00:30:15,537 After his trial, his friend bubba found me on myspace. 582 00:30:15,556 --> 00:30:18,390 Bubba is jermaine maxey, 583 00:30:18,484 --> 00:30:20,876 And he befriended me, 584 00:30:20,969 --> 00:30:24,321 And he sent me a message and invited me to r. Kelly's party. 585 00:30:24,548 --> 00:30:27,825 Jerhonda describes going to a party at his house 586 00:30:28,052 --> 00:30:30,385 And just being so excited and enamored 587 00:30:30,404 --> 00:30:31,829 By being around r. Kelly. 588 00:30:31,980 --> 00:30:33,479 Obviously, that translated 589 00:30:33,574 --> 00:30:37,317 Into a six month entanglement with him 590 00:30:37,411 --> 00:30:38,727 That was extremely abusive. 591 00:30:38,745 --> 00:30:40,838 Jerhonda: Rob, I handed him my I'd. 592 00:30:41,065 --> 00:30:42,488 And he looked at it, 593 00:30:42,583 --> 00:30:44,007 And then I said, "I'm 16." 594 00:30:44,234 --> 00:30:46,251 And he told me to continue telling everybody 595 00:30:46,403 --> 00:30:49,071 That you were 19 and to act 21. 596 00:30:49,089 --> 00:30:52,574 I was in the house, and rob had came downstairs 597 00:30:52,667 --> 00:30:54,593 And he started fondling my breasts. 598 00:30:54,687 --> 00:30:57,079 And I stopped him, and I said, "I'm a virgin." 599 00:30:57,172 --> 00:30:59,005 And he said, "well, that's perfect. 600 00:30:59,099 --> 00:31:00,691 That means I get to train you, 601 00:31:00,842 --> 00:31:03,009 And I get to take your virginity." 602 00:31:03,028 --> 00:31:05,587 And he told me bend over and use the back of the couch to hold me up. 603 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,030 And he just entered me from behind. 604 00:31:13,113 --> 00:31:15,539 Jim derogatis: Jerhonda's testimony was powerful. 605 00:31:15,766 --> 00:31:18,208 She was about to give birth to her fifth child. 606 00:31:18,435 --> 00:31:20,952 The judge at one point asked the defense 607 00:31:21,046 --> 00:31:23,696 To perhaps speed up their questioning of her 608 00:31:23,790 --> 00:31:26,775 Because the judge ann donnelly did not want to have jerhonda 609 00:31:26,793 --> 00:31:28,701 Give birth on the stand. 610 00:31:28,721 --> 00:31:30,462 I followed jerhonda's testimony. 611 00:31:30,556 --> 00:31:36,284 Not a word deviated from what she said to me in 2017. 612 00:31:36,378 --> 00:31:38,211 Her story had always been consistent. 613 00:31:38,305 --> 00:31:40,380 We had proved what she said 614 00:31:40,474 --> 00:31:42,624 With that first article in buzzfeed, 615 00:31:42,643 --> 00:31:44,643 And then there she is in a court of law, 616 00:31:44,737 --> 00:31:48,888 And the prosecution is proving it with even more evidence. 617 00:31:48,908 --> 00:31:51,650 Jerhonda had created and written in a journal 618 00:31:51,744 --> 00:31:56,229 About what had happened in her interactions with r. Kelly. 619 00:31:56,248 --> 00:32:00,142 What was particularly jarring was her describing the day that she left, 620 00:32:00,235 --> 00:32:03,311 What it took for her to leave. 621 00:32:03,330 --> 00:32:05,497 Jerhonda: The breaking point for me 622 00:32:05,649 --> 00:32:08,150 Was when rob slapped me, 623 00:32:08,243 --> 00:32:10,093 And he choked me until I blacked out. 624 00:32:10,245 --> 00:32:13,505 And then why I opened my eyes, rob spit in my face. 625 00:32:13,657 --> 00:32:16,992 And he told me to get on my knees and put my head down in shame, 626 00:32:17,010 --> 00:32:20,604 And he masturbates and he ejaculates on my face. 627 00:32:20,831 --> 00:32:23,181 And he told me to go clean it up. 628 00:32:23,275 --> 00:32:26,092 I had this blue aéropostale shirt on, 629 00:32:26,186 --> 00:32:28,928 And I wiped his semen and saliva off my face onto my t-shirt. 630 00:32:29,022 --> 00:32:31,506 This was the major piece of dna evidence. 631 00:32:31,525 --> 00:32:34,192 They had a dna expert go on and be like, 632 00:32:34,286 --> 00:32:37,437 "there is one in a number I don't even know how to say 633 00:32:37,456 --> 00:32:40,123 Chance that it was anyone's but r. Kelly's." 634 00:32:40,350 --> 00:32:44,019 So they really couldn't deny that this is r. Kelly's semen and spit on the shirt. 635 00:32:44,112 --> 00:32:47,280 So how do you defend these allegations? 636 00:32:47,374 --> 00:32:51,284 Instead they decided to say that jerhonda was a stalker. 637 00:32:51,303 --> 00:32:54,120 Reporter: Defense attorneys trying to poke holes in her story, 638 00:32:54,214 --> 00:32:56,473 Painting her as a crazed fan. 639 00:32:56,700 --> 00:32:58,475 Lizzette martinez: I just felt so bad for her, 640 00:32:58,702 --> 00:33:00,811 The way they were cross-examining her, 641 00:33:01,038 --> 00:33:04,706 So late in her pregnancy, about to give birth, 642 00:33:04,725 --> 00:33:08,210 And they're calling her a groupie and all the things they said about her. 643 00:33:08,228 --> 00:33:11,880 It was, like, I was just disgusted by them. 644 00:33:11,973 --> 00:33:13,490 Alanna vagianos: For me as a journalist, 645 00:33:13,717 --> 00:33:16,551 You want to show a pattern of predatory behavior. 646 00:33:16,570 --> 00:33:19,571 What better way to show that pattern 647 00:33:19,723 --> 00:33:21,573 Than to say this young girl 648 00:33:21,667 --> 00:33:25,002 Was picked up by this predator 649 00:33:25,229 --> 00:33:27,671 At his first sexual assault trial 650 00:33:27,822 --> 00:33:31,508 And is now standing on the witness stand as a victim 651 00:33:31,659 --> 00:33:33,927 To tell her story of being victimized by r. Kelly? 652 00:33:38,075 --> 00:33:40,833 Donna sagna: My name is donna sagna. 653 00:33:40,927 --> 00:33:43,836 I met mr. Kelly in the early 2000s. 654 00:33:43,856 --> 00:33:46,857 I became a nanny for the children. 655 00:33:47,008 --> 00:33:51,269 I cooked, I ran errands, supported the kids. 656 00:33:51,421 --> 00:33:55,681 It was a big house in olympia fields. 657 00:33:55,776 --> 00:33:57,683 There was always, like, partis 658 00:33:57,778 --> 00:34:00,186 And things of that nature going on. 659 00:34:00,205 --> 00:34:02,039 One time I got up in the middle of the night 660 00:34:02,266 --> 00:34:04,599 And whitney houston was downstairs. 661 00:34:04,618 --> 00:34:06,543 So, I loved the house. 662 00:34:06,694 --> 00:34:09,788 I mean, I was there maybe five days out of the week. 663 00:34:09,882 --> 00:34:12,274 I've heard stories about him. 664 00:34:12,292 --> 00:34:15,627 I've heard stories about a lot of people in the music business. 665 00:34:15,721 --> 00:34:18,113 I never really saw him 666 00:34:18,131 --> 00:34:21,374 Do something, you know, to a child or none of that. 667 00:34:21,468 --> 00:34:24,210 I mean, I've seen him be a-- you know, 668 00:34:24,304 --> 00:34:27,622 And be sexual or do something abnormal 669 00:34:27,715 --> 00:34:29,291 That I wouldn't normally see, you know, 670 00:34:29,309 --> 00:34:31,810 With regular-- you know, hanging out or whatever. 671 00:34:31,962 --> 00:34:34,145 I didn't have much money. 672 00:34:34,298 --> 00:34:36,648 I had a daughter. She was little. 673 00:34:36,742 --> 00:34:37,890 I was trying to pay my bills. 674 00:34:37,984 --> 00:34:40,226 You know, people do crazy stuff 675 00:34:40,245 --> 00:34:43,321 So they can take care of their families, you know? 676 00:34:43,415 --> 00:34:46,308 That's what I was focused on. My job, you know? 677 00:34:46,326 --> 00:34:49,644 And keeping my job. When miss kelly left the house, 678 00:34:49,663 --> 00:34:52,831 It was just me and diane. 679 00:34:52,983 --> 00:34:56,318 ( distorted voice ) there was an employee like diana copeland 680 00:34:56,411 --> 00:34:58,911 Who he had a lot of mental control over. 681 00:34:59,005 --> 00:35:01,172 So he could get diana to do 682 00:35:01,325 --> 00:35:03,508 Pretty much anything he wanted her to do. 683 00:35:03,602 --> 00:35:07,329 Diana worked as r. Kelly's assistant for 15 years. 684 00:35:07,422 --> 00:35:10,590 Diana copeland, you handled everything 685 00:35:10,609 --> 00:35:14,093 Pertaining to him for 15 years. 686 00:35:14,187 --> 00:35:15,612 I don't know how she looks in the mirror. 687 00:35:26,125 --> 00:35:27,773 Halle calhoun: My name is halle calhoun. 688 00:35:27,868 --> 00:35:30,127 I was 20 when I met rob, 689 00:35:30,354 --> 00:35:32,687 And I kind of lost myself, you know? 690 00:35:32,706 --> 00:35:36,967 He kept me separate from a lot of-- any other girls 691 00:35:37,194 --> 00:35:40,362 Or any-- you know, anything else he had going on. 692 00:35:40,380 --> 00:35:42,714 If I had to go to the bathroo, 693 00:35:42,808 --> 00:35:47,369 He would want you to text him or the assistant, so-- 694 00:35:47,387 --> 00:35:50,463 Diana. Yes. 695 00:35:50,482 --> 00:35:53,817 Everything I did was by myself with rob, 696 00:35:54,044 --> 00:35:56,611 Or, you know, I would have diana with me. 697 00:35:58,991 --> 00:36:01,807 If you wanted some food, you would just text the assistant like, 698 00:36:01,902 --> 00:36:03,568 "hey, this is the order." 699 00:36:03,662 --> 00:36:05,978 Yes, I had a personal connection with one of them. 700 00:36:06,072 --> 00:36:11,226 And sometimes when I get left, I just be around that person. 701 00:36:11,244 --> 00:36:14,896 Let's say rob during azriel, went to the movies, 702 00:36:14,915 --> 00:36:16,506 I'd, like, be left behind. 703 00:36:16,733 --> 00:36:19,417 It felt good to actually talk to somebody 704 00:36:19,569 --> 00:36:21,344 Or just be around them. 705 00:36:21,571 --> 00:36:24,088 Dominique didn't have any trouble with the trial 706 00:36:24,183 --> 00:36:26,683 Because during the trial she was planning a wedding. 707 00:36:26,834 --> 00:36:30,002 So her focus was on getting married. 708 00:36:30,022 --> 00:36:32,522 That's the past. Her focus was the present and the future. 709 00:36:32,674 --> 00:36:35,099 She only kept up with the diane part 710 00:36:35,252 --> 00:36:38,028 Because she was speaking to diane on the regular. 711 00:36:38,179 --> 00:36:42,699 So she was very shocked that she twisted-- she didn't speak her truth. 712 00:36:42,926 --> 00:36:47,037 Diana, one of kelly's assistants who you're referencing, wrapped her testimony up. 713 00:36:47,264 --> 00:36:50,040 She told the jury that sometimes r. Kelly 714 00:36:50,191 --> 00:36:52,191 Would get upset and he would yell, 715 00:36:52,285 --> 00:36:55,545 But she never witnessed him abusing any of his girlfriends. 716 00:37:04,706 --> 00:37:07,282 Pilar melendez: The way that diana copeland testified on the stand, 717 00:37:07,300 --> 00:37:10,635 It made it clear that for on and off the 15 years she was with r. Kelly, 718 00:37:10,787 --> 00:37:14,731 She was directly involved in helping these women cross state lines. 719 00:37:14,958 --> 00:37:16,808 She was setting up their hotel rooms. 720 00:37:16,902 --> 00:37:20,386 She made it clear that she was loyal to r. Kelly 721 00:37:20,405 --> 00:37:23,222 And was willing to do whatever it was that he wanted 722 00:37:23,242 --> 00:37:27,244 Because she was that close and that instrumental in his day-to-day life. 723 00:37:27,395 --> 00:37:30,472 Noah goldberg: Diana operated as a liaison really 724 00:37:30,490 --> 00:37:34,084 Between kelly and all of his girls. 725 00:37:34,235 --> 00:37:38,904 Through the trial, pretty much every victim knew diana, every worker knew diana. 726 00:37:38,999 --> 00:37:40,906 She took jane to the abortion. 727 00:37:40,926 --> 00:37:43,818 She was more of the chaperone in that instance. 728 00:37:43,911 --> 00:37:46,096 She received anna's std results, 729 00:37:46,247 --> 00:37:49,749 So she was key for their evidence. 730 00:37:49,768 --> 00:37:51,268 At one point in the testimony, 731 00:37:51,419 --> 00:37:53,419 Prosecutors even asked diana copeland 732 00:37:53,513 --> 00:37:55,921 If she would consider herself an extension of r. Kelly, 733 00:37:56,016 --> 00:37:57,899 Which she said yes to. 734 00:37:59,927 --> 00:38:03,354 If you said this man is so famous, 735 00:38:03,507 --> 00:38:05,507 And so wealthy, and so beloved, 736 00:38:05,525 --> 00:38:07,842 And he committed crimes for three decades 737 00:38:07,861 --> 00:38:10,770 In full view of the world spotlight, 738 00:38:10,864 --> 00:38:11,937 How could that have been? 739 00:38:12,032 --> 00:38:14,866 I think witnesses like copeland 740 00:38:15,018 --> 00:38:17,127 Were there to show how it could have been. 741 00:38:17,278 --> 00:38:20,538 Willful ignorance of having made travel arrangements 742 00:38:20,690 --> 00:38:22,540 For underage victims of kelly. 743 00:38:22,634 --> 00:38:26,027 Certainly not acting to stop some of the behavior. 744 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,973 I think that was part of what the prosecution was trying to show. 745 00:38:32,202 --> 00:38:35,370 I talked to diane because I worked under her 746 00:38:35,388 --> 00:38:36,813 While I was with mr. Kelly. 747 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:41,985 So she ran his house, and I was under her. 748 00:38:42,212 --> 00:38:44,637 She was on "good morning america," yeah. 749 00:38:44,656 --> 00:38:46,548 Michael strahan: Diana copeland served as r. Kelly's 750 00:38:46,566 --> 00:38:50,309 Executive assistant off and on for 16 years. 751 00:38:50,403 --> 00:38:54,998 You know, no speaking to men, the texting to use the bathroom, 752 00:38:55,149 --> 00:38:57,742 You didn't think any of that was a little strange? 753 00:38:57,894 --> 00:39:00,745 I know robert the family man, the businessman, 754 00:39:00,897 --> 00:39:03,247 But his personal life is robert's personal life. 755 00:39:03,342 --> 00:39:07,993 So my job stops at the threshold of his bedroom door. 756 00:39:08,013 --> 00:39:12,073 My daughter showed me the video, and we was like... 757 00:39:12,092 --> 00:39:13,183 "uh..." 758 00:39:17,247 --> 00:39:21,674 Michael strahan asked her lots of strong questions, 759 00:39:21,693 --> 00:39:25,362 And she went around and she didn't really answer them. 760 00:39:25,589 --> 00:39:28,514 She went all the way left, up, down. 761 00:39:28,533 --> 00:39:31,034 She went everything but straight. 762 00:39:31,261 --> 00:39:34,095 When you're making travel arrangements, of course you need the date of birth. 763 00:39:34,114 --> 00:39:35,780 So how old were these women? 764 00:39:35,874 --> 00:39:37,690 No one under 18. 765 00:39:37,709 --> 00:39:40,377 In fact, when this case came up, 766 00:39:40,528 --> 00:39:43,438 I'm reading that women are locked up and kidnapped, 767 00:39:43,456 --> 00:39:45,456 And that's not what I'm seeing. 768 00:39:45,609 --> 00:39:47,775 Pilar melendez: During diana's testimony, 769 00:39:47,794 --> 00:39:49,460 Prosecutors asked her about a bunch of women 770 00:39:49,613 --> 00:39:51,370 That we heard on the stand. 771 00:39:51,390 --> 00:39:53,706 One of them was this woman named anna. 772 00:39:53,725 --> 00:39:56,208 Anna left the house under her watch. 773 00:39:56,302 --> 00:39:58,561 R. Kelly, he asked diana 774 00:39:58,713 --> 00:40:01,898 Why diana copeland allowed anna to escape the house, 775 00:40:02,049 --> 00:40:05,551 And the word "escape" was pretty jarring. 776 00:40:05,645 --> 00:40:08,630 It did really strike me that the word "escape" was used 777 00:40:08,648 --> 00:40:11,724 And was used specifically by r. Kelly himself. 778 00:40:11,743 --> 00:40:16,320 Because escape is not a word that you use for a person 779 00:40:16,415 --> 00:40:20,642 Or a girlfriend, as he wanted to describe these women. 780 00:40:20,660 --> 00:40:23,920 Escape is a word that you use for an animal 781 00:40:24,071 --> 00:40:26,906 Or a prisoner or something like that. 782 00:40:26,925 --> 00:40:29,333 Diana copeland agreeing that r. Kelly 783 00:40:29,486 --> 00:40:32,095 Used the word "escape" kind of proves this idea 784 00:40:32,246 --> 00:40:34,839 That he kept these women against their will, 785 00:40:34,933 --> 00:40:37,675 Which to me just proved further that she was totally 786 00:40:37,827 --> 00:40:39,510 In the know what was happening 787 00:40:39,663 --> 00:40:41,329 And just completely turned a blind eye. 788 00:40:41,347 --> 00:40:44,832 Faith: This person is sick, and enabling him 789 00:40:44,851 --> 00:40:46,425 And cosigning with anything he does 790 00:40:46,519 --> 00:40:49,261 Makes you sick as well. 791 00:40:49,281 --> 00:40:53,174 I try to sympathize and not be so angry towards people 792 00:40:53,193 --> 00:40:56,286 That are associated with him, but when they go on tv 793 00:40:56,513 --> 00:41:00,105 And just say nothing he does is wrong, 794 00:41:00,125 --> 00:41:01,249 It's just a slap in the face. 795 00:41:13,697 --> 00:41:17,031 Diana copeland, in the middle of the interview, 796 00:41:17,050 --> 00:41:19,642 I felt like she was on nobody's side. 797 00:41:19,794 --> 00:41:21,886 She was on her side. 798 00:41:21,980 --> 00:41:26,632 I don't think that anything that I did was wrong. 799 00:41:26,726 --> 00:41:28,151 She kind of kept laughing. 800 00:41:28,378 --> 00:41:30,378 Not just the girls to move around... 801 00:41:30,396 --> 00:41:31,879 There was a little giggle. 802 00:41:31,898 --> 00:41:33,323 ( laughs ) 803 00:41:33,474 --> 00:41:35,216 This is not funny. 804 00:41:35,309 --> 00:41:38,736 He needed no help to recruit women 805 00:41:38,830 --> 00:41:40,663 Or to get women. 806 00:41:40,815 --> 00:41:44,167 I just kept wanting her to root for the women, 807 00:41:44,394 --> 00:41:47,486 And I didn't feel like she did. 808 00:41:47,506 --> 00:41:49,897 Michelle kramer: My daughter was really, really hurt, 809 00:41:49,916 --> 00:41:53,158 Because she's like, "I thought she was-- 810 00:41:53,178 --> 00:41:56,662 You was down for the cause, being down for the truth." 811 00:41:56,681 --> 00:41:58,014 And she didn't speak none of it. 812 00:41:58,165 --> 00:42:00,091 She didn't speak not one truth ever. 813 00:42:00,185 --> 00:42:01,576 So it was bad. 814 00:42:01,669 --> 00:42:04,078 Well, when it comes to diane, 815 00:42:04,097 --> 00:42:05,913 I just know that, you know, 816 00:42:05,932 --> 00:42:08,173 I don't think she'd want to see nobody get hurt. 817 00:42:08,193 --> 00:42:11,269 That I know for sure. 818 00:42:11,363 --> 00:42:13,588 Dr. Candice norcott: The psychology of enablers, 819 00:42:13,606 --> 00:42:16,199 There's a lot of unique aspects 820 00:42:16,350 --> 00:42:18,926 That everyone that's part of a network like this brings. 821 00:42:18,945 --> 00:42:21,095 Sometimes it's, "this is the only job I have," 822 00:42:21,114 --> 00:42:22,430 So sometimes it's financial. 823 00:42:22,448 --> 00:42:24,932 Career success is tied up with this, 824 00:42:24,951 --> 00:42:27,210 And then people do a lot of mental gymnastics 825 00:42:27,361 --> 00:42:28,711 To minimize what they see and know 826 00:42:28,863 --> 00:42:30,955 To be a part of a network like this. 827 00:42:31,049 --> 00:42:33,958 I think people are ashamed of the role that they had. 828 00:42:34,110 --> 00:42:37,795 I think people are scared to come out and say what their role was 829 00:42:37,947 --> 00:42:40,114 Because they could end up also facing charges 830 00:42:40,133 --> 00:42:43,393 For what they did to assist r. Kelly. 831 00:42:43,544 --> 00:42:45,636 And a lot of them I'm sure are thinking about themselves. 832 00:42:45,789 --> 00:42:47,546 Some people might be ashamed. 833 00:42:47,566 --> 00:42:49,640 Some people might not want to face the public scrutiny. 834 00:42:49,793 --> 00:42:51,959 There are so many people that enabled r. Kelly. 835 00:42:51,978 --> 00:42:53,403 And for what it's worth, let me just be clear, 836 00:42:53,630 --> 00:42:55,238 R. Kelly is not the first of his kind. 837 00:42:55,389 --> 00:42:56,889 Because if #metoo made it to the music industry, 838 00:42:56,908 --> 00:42:58,966 There'd just be no music industry. 839 00:42:58,985 --> 00:43:03,487 I mean, it is rife with this type of behavior. 840 00:43:03,582 --> 00:43:08,309 He simply is somebody who was so bold with it 841 00:43:08,328 --> 00:43:12,404 And committed to this behavior that it was inevitable 842 00:43:12,498 --> 00:43:14,665 That he got caught. 843 00:43:14,818 --> 00:43:17,594 I do think that showbiz is actually designed 844 00:43:17,745 --> 00:43:21,172 To allow people to engage in who their worst selves are. 845 00:43:21,324 --> 00:43:23,174 Sometimes that just means that you're finicky, 846 00:43:23,326 --> 00:43:24,934 And you want everything the way you want it, 847 00:43:25,086 --> 00:43:27,178 And if it's not that way, then you're firing everybody. 848 00:43:27,272 --> 00:43:30,164 And sometimes it means that it's going to allow you 849 00:43:30,183 --> 00:43:31,924 To enact criminal behavior. 850 00:43:31,943 --> 00:43:33,943 The bigger you get, the more power you have, 851 00:43:34,095 --> 00:43:35,519 The more space you're allowed to take up in the room. 852 00:43:35,614 --> 00:43:36,571 And it's about what are you doing with that space? 853 00:43:39,451 --> 00:43:41,117 It was apparent throughout the case as more and more 854 00:43:41,268 --> 00:43:43,936 Of former employees took the stand 855 00:43:43,955 --> 00:43:45,771 That they didn't want to be there. 856 00:43:45,790 --> 00:43:48,458 They still had a loyalty to him. 857 00:43:48,685 --> 00:43:50,201 A lot of them had to be subpoenaed, 858 00:43:50,353 --> 00:43:52,444 Including suzette mayweather. 859 00:43:52,464 --> 00:43:55,206 Suzette mayweather was another employee of kelly's 860 00:43:55,358 --> 00:43:56,966 Who worked for him as a personal assistant 861 00:43:57,118 --> 00:43:59,451 From 2015 to 2017. 862 00:43:59,471 --> 00:44:02,213 Reporter: On the stand today, we heard from suzette mayweather 863 00:44:02,307 --> 00:44:04,548 That during her employment mayweather said she met 864 00:44:04,701 --> 00:44:06,367 Several of kelly's girlfriends 865 00:44:06,386 --> 00:44:09,537 Including joycelyn and dominique. 866 00:44:09,630 --> 00:44:11,555 ( distorted voice ) dominique stayed in trouble with robert 867 00:44:11,650 --> 00:44:16,560 All the time pretty much because she was rebellious. 868 00:44:16,655 --> 00:44:19,638 Whenever she had a chance to be around other people, 869 00:44:19,658 --> 00:44:20,990 She'd be a little too talkative, 870 00:44:21,142 --> 00:44:22,884 And he didn't like that. 871 00:44:22,902 --> 00:44:25,828 So he kept her on what he would call punishment. 872 00:44:33,154 --> 00:44:36,063 I think suzette's most powerful part of her testimony 873 00:44:36,082 --> 00:44:38,566 Was her description of a birthday party. 874 00:44:38,584 --> 00:44:40,735 Reporter: Mayweather said she was present 875 00:44:40,753 --> 00:44:43,328 At an all-female birthday party at kelly's studio. 876 00:44:43,423 --> 00:44:46,182 She said kelly became upset with one of the girlfriends 877 00:44:46,409 --> 00:44:49,927 After she started twerking for another girl. 878 00:44:50,021 --> 00:44:53,672 Robert noticed that dominique was talking too much 879 00:44:53,692 --> 00:44:57,268 To a certain person in the room, just having too much fun. 880 00:44:57,420 --> 00:45:01,272 Well, he had them escorted upstairs and he got physical with them. 881 00:45:01,424 --> 00:45:03,849 Reporter: Mayweather testified the singer made the women 882 00:45:03,868 --> 00:45:06,160 Fight each other in a separate room. 883 00:45:09,599 --> 00:45:11,782 So one of the dynamics that r. Kelly set up 884 00:45:11,876 --> 00:45:16,546 Amongst the many women that he had victimized was-- 885 00:45:16,773 --> 00:45:18,456 It's something we call triangulation. 886 00:45:18,550 --> 00:45:21,867 Triangulation is turning people against each other. 887 00:45:21,886 --> 00:45:23,886 If you don't turn against each other, 888 00:45:24,038 --> 00:45:26,447 Then perhaps even more harm could come to you, a, 889 00:45:26,466 --> 00:45:28,966 And, b, you would lose that position 890 00:45:29,118 --> 00:45:32,453 With the person who was viewed as sort of the person in power here. 891 00:45:32,472 --> 00:45:34,564 These are not dynamics people understood, right? 892 00:45:34,791 --> 00:45:35,473 It's not as though they're saying, 893 00:45:35,625 --> 00:45:37,641 "oh, he's triangulating us." 894 00:45:37,794 --> 00:45:39,810 This was all being experienced through the lens 895 00:45:39,963 --> 00:45:42,554 Of survival, confusion, 896 00:45:42,574 --> 00:45:46,058 And that idea that anyone can turn on you at any moment. 897 00:45:46,077 --> 00:45:48,319 Though kelly would say and put the message 898 00:45:48,413 --> 00:45:52,139 In his girlfriends' ears that they are one big family, 899 00:45:52,158 --> 00:45:56,160 And that, you know, it was all love and positivity, 900 00:45:56,312 --> 00:45:58,237 It was totally the opposite. 901 00:45:58,256 --> 00:46:02,500 Because these women are at a party twerking, 902 00:46:02,594 --> 00:46:07,579 As, you know, anyone does, and you are making them 903 00:46:07,673 --> 00:46:09,991 Fight each other as a punishment. 904 00:46:10,009 --> 00:46:12,510 You're pitting them against one another. 905 00:46:12,662 --> 00:46:16,664 This is just an example of really how nasty it could get 906 00:46:16,682 --> 00:46:22,520 Over really just, like, innocent behavior. 907 00:46:22,672 --> 00:46:24,947 Jim derogatis: Aaliyah is key to everything. 908 00:46:25,174 --> 00:46:27,450 Kathryn m. Martin: When you start with aaliyah, you start with a large scheme. 909 00:46:27,601 --> 00:46:30,453 That shows you grooming, that shows you how young, 910 00:46:30,604 --> 00:46:32,771 That shows that nothing has changed. 911 00:46:32,791 --> 00:46:34,940 That lays the framework for the pattern. 912 00:46:34,959 --> 00:46:36,959 Jim derogatis: One of the victims who testified is addy, 913 00:46:37,186 --> 00:46:39,945 Who claimed to have been raped by kelly 914 00:46:39,964 --> 00:46:42,189 Just within days of the aaliyah marriage. 915 00:46:42,208 --> 00:46:43,691 I was in shock. 916 00:46:43,784 --> 00:46:45,802 She's from miami. She puerto rican. 917 00:46:45,953 --> 00:46:47,878 We were, like, the same. 918 00:46:48,031 --> 00:46:50,031 Finally, people are believing 919 00:46:50,049 --> 00:46:53,034 That he really is that monster, that really is him. 920 00:46:53,052 --> 00:46:56,962 I remember barry hankerson going on "dr. Oz." 921 00:46:56,981 --> 00:46:59,056 Dr. Oz: We are back with aaliyah's uncle. 922 00:46:59,208 --> 00:47:00,708 Barry hankerson: There was some type of rapport 923 00:47:00,726 --> 00:47:02,710 My sister had with robert kelly 924 00:47:02,728 --> 00:47:05,563 That began to creep in to our lives. 925 00:47:05,715 --> 00:47:08,215 There are questions that only barry hankerson 926 00:47:08,309 --> 00:47:09,826 And diane haughton can answer.