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There is a difference
between R. Kelly and Robert.
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R. Kelly is this fun,
laughing, loving guy.
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(echoing):
But Robert is the devil.
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She fell in love with someone
that is a predator.
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It's heartbreaking.
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This man is a monster.
That's what he is.
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I'm gonna call the police
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and tell them
you kidnapped my sister.
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This can't keep going on.
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You need to see the effects
of your behavior.
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He's proving that he's never
going to take responsibility
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for his actions.
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That's a predator
that's telling y'all,
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"I'm-a get these girls
to do what I want 'em to do
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when I want 'em to do."
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And so we decided to protest.
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He needs to worry about righting
his wrongs. Period.
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I hope Robert is trying
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to get his sense together.
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Whatever's in the dark
will come to light.
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Time's up for R. Kelly.
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♪ ♪
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(cheering)
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R&B singer R. Kelly
is denying claims
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he's keeping
a household of young women
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in a cultlike atmosphere.
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My name is Timothy Savage.
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Stockholm syndrome.
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That's what my daughter has
right now.
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Never been feeling hostage
or anything like that.
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TIMOTHY:
It's been almost two years.
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We still haven't seen
our daughter.
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REPORTER:
Hey, Joycelyn.
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When I saw the TMZ video,
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I looked over, and it was
my daughter, Dominique.
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I just put two and two
together.
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I ain't leaving
this damn hotel.
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I did came too damn close.
I'm this far.
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KANIKA "KITTI" JONES:
He beat me in the car,
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and he was slapping me
repeatedly.
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And I just started thinking
of ways to, like,
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end my life or end his.
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(crying)
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Come on, we're leaving.
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(woman crying)
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(vocalizing)
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ALICE CLARY:
Our daughter met R. Kelly
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at a concert in Orlando.
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ANGELO CLARY: R. Kelly picked
my daughter, Azriel,
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to go up on stage.
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I knew his background,
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but I'm right here with her.
Her mom right here.
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None of this
could happen to me.
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ALICE:
One day we get a phone call.
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"Oh, I'm at a hotel
with R. Kelly."
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R. Kelly expresses interest
in working with Azriel
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to possibly further
her music career.
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And, um, he wanted
to be her mentor.
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Honestly, I didn't think
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it was a good fit.
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Uh, I didn't want
to have any part of it,
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but Azriel pressed us.
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She made threats
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if we didn't, you know,
let her do this.
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We told her, like, basically,
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for you to do anything else
with him,
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she could not be with him
by herself.
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She was flying
back and forth, um,
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to different cities, but one
of us was always in attendance.
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Either myself,
my husband, my son
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or my oldest daughter, A'Iceis.
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A'ICEIS:
Azriel and I arranged
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for me to go to Chicago,
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and I was supposed to stay
for about a month or two.
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But when I got out there,
it wasn't what
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Azriel made it to be.
Nor him, R. Kelly.
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Some driver picked me up.
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We went to the studio,
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and we sitting in there,
and he making music.
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And he spoke to me.
"Hey, A'Iceis."
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You know, it was cool at first.
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But Azriel made it to be
like she could go places,
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she could do things.
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We couldn't do nothing.
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She couldn't walk out the room
without calling R. Kelly.
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It was all about
what R. Kelly wanted.
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Finally, I went and walked out
to go get me something to eat.
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She was just like, "You can't.
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You have to come back.
R. Kelly's gonna get us."
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"Get us?
No, he's not gonna get us,
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'cause I'm a grown-ass woman."
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She was like, "No,
you just have to call him
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and let him know
where you're going."
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I'm not finna keep picking up
the (bleep) phone
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and calling R. Kelly.
He ain't my daddy.
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My daddy's in Florida.
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When I woke up in the morning,
she wasn't there.
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So I was like, "Okay,
he must have came and got her."
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I was calling Azriel.
No answer.
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Well, I know
where their studio is.
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I walk to the studio,
and, um, I walked in.
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R. Kelly's nephew was there.
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He said, "Oh, they left."
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And I was like, "They left?"
He was like, "Yeah."
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And I was like, "Why?
You know, where's my sister?
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"Like, I-I don't know
why would he be leaving
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with my sister. I'm here."
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So I started yelling,
and I started cussing.
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I was like, "Somebody need
to bring my sister out here."
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And my sister came out,
and she was like,
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"What's wrong? What's going on?"
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I was like, "We're leaving.
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Like, we're lea-- Let's go."
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I started dragging my sister
out of the studio.
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And then R. Kelly's
pulling my sister, too,
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and I'm pulling her, too.
I'm telling R. Kelly,
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"I'm gonna call the police
and tell them
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you kidnapped my sister.
Period."
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R. Kelly told his security
to make me disappear.
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They pinned me down,
carried me out.
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They pulled up in the back
of an alley at McDonald's.
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I was shoved out.
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Didn't know where I was.
They was like,
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"If you say anything,
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"your sister
won't make it out alive.
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Or your family."
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My daughter A'Iceis called,
uh, back home.
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She was like, "No, Azriel,
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she want to be up here,
but we need to leave."
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My parents,
they had to get me another room
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'cause I told them
I didn't feel safe,
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but they didn't know
what was going on
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because they said, "Don't
mention anything about it,
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or your sister
won't make it out alive."
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Had happened, no.
I didn't tell them.
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ALICE:
The phone call took me aback,
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like something happened.
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So me and him flew up
the next day.
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ANGELO: Once we flew to Chicago,
we, uh, talked to R. Kelly,
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and he explained everything
that was going on.
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It wasn't like, uh, our oldest
daughter, A'Iceis, thought.
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Azriel assured us,
"Dad, it wasn't like that.
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I promise you."
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Even A'Iceis downplayed it
once we got there,
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like, "It wasn't that serious.
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Maybe I just was over the top
with it."
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Okay, maybe this, you know.
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My daughter overreacted,
you know.
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We all got eyes on him now,
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so we feeling safe
that she there.
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ALICE: At this point,
Azriel was getting ready
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to start her senior year
in school.
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ANGELO:
Before we left Chicago,
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he mentioned
that Azriel would need
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to f-fully commit
so that he can hurry up
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and get something done for her,
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but he was gonna do it
as he's touring.
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And I told him
that she can't go
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without having somebody
with her.
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So if somebody could be
with her, we fine.
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ALICE:
So R. Kelly said that he would
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-actually have someone
from the record label...
-From the label.
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...be a guardian over her,
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um, that we could talk to
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to make sure she's, you know,
doing her schooling,
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that whenever she needed
to get home for something
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she would get home,
whatever the case may be.
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It would be a female.
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So, um, that's what
we had agreed to.
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And we actually signed it.
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We were on the phone with him,
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at this point,
on a regular basis,
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so we felt--
seemed like everything was okay,
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um, at that point.
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It seems that part
of what he was selling is,
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"I'm a star,
and I can make you a star."
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If you know the story
of the Pied Piper,
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the Pied Piper was a...
was a musician,
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you know, who led a bunch
of kids out of a village
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via music
never to be seen again.
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And I just thought
that was insane.
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You know, I think that was
his middle finger to the law.
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'Cause he was like,
"Yeah, I'm untouchable."
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Instead of calling himself
the Teflon Don,
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he called himself
the Pied Piper.
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And, you know, from what we see,
he-he hasn't stopped
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leading, uh, young girls
out of villages
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via music ever since.
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DR. CANDICE NORCOTT: So,
you work really hard to be seen
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as this benevolent
public figure,
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but in your private life,
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there are these things
that you're doing
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that you don't want the public
to know.
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So, that tension can create
conflict within a person
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that can then look
like anger outbursts.
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Somebody can be really relaxed
and happy.
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Somebody can be really angry
one minute.
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And so that's how I kind of
best understand that...
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you know, people saying, "Well,
there are many different sides
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of this person, and I'm... we're
not sure what we're gonna get."
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Yo, what's up, you guys?
It's your boy, Kells, man.
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I just wanted
to break some things down
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and talk to you guys,
just to clear some things up.
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I've been getting a lot of slack
from, you know, people
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about, you know, um, my album
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or, you know, my career
and things like that.
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Real talk.
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We have got to support
each other, man.
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Quit playing,
you know what I'm saying?
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I've done all of the shows
there is to do.
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I've, you know,
I've done all this promotion,
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and my company's not
getting behind this album,
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The Buffet album.
You know, um...
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But I tell you, you know,
none of that, to me, matters.
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None of that matters, you know,
because at the end of the day,
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it's really about us
coming together.
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(distorted): He did
the Huffington Post interview,
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and the interviewer asked him
questions about the girls.
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And he, um, did not want
to answer the questions.
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Would you say that you have
a healthy relationship with sex
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and that that
is reflected musically?
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I would have to say this:
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I did not come here
to get interrogated.
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I didn't come here
for a deposition.
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You know what a deposition is?
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-I'm very aware
of what a deposition is.
-Well, then...
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-I'm asking you
about your music.
-You should, then,
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you should agree with me when,
when...
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-I asked about your music.
-...when I say that this sounds
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sort of like a deposition.
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What do you say
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to the multiple fans,
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the many fans who are watching
and listening
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-that say there have been...
-I say I love my fans.
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-...multiple accusations
against you...
-I say I love my fans.
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-against young women in Chicago,
-I say I love all of my fans.
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and they are concerned
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-about your past,
-People that are against me.
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-and that's impacting them
-People that are with me.
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-from purchasing
your music sales?
-I love them all.
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I love them all.
It doesn't matter who they are,
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if they hate me, they love me,
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they want to destroy me,
whatever.
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I love them all.
And I love you, too.
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You don't need to give me
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-any of your love, sir.
-I love everybody.
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You really don't need to give me
your love. I just wanted
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to ask the question.
I have a video question for you
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-from a fan if you...
-No video questions for me,
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-'cause this interview is over.
-Okay.
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-Thank you very much
for coming...
-All right.
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FORMER EMPLOYEE:
And so, he was very upset
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about that interview.
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He just wanted to vent.
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He was blaming different people
on staff
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about the way
the interview turned out.
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That was a time
that he actually wanted to know
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what was being said online
about the interview.
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R. Kelly can read,
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but he has difficulties
reading certain words,
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and of course no one
would tell him the truth.
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I was one of the people
who lied to him
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about what was
being said online.
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ALICE: December 30,
Azriel turned 18.
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And that is when
all hell broke loose.
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ANGELO: Her phone was going
straight to voice mail.
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ALICE:
Everything changed,
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and we stopped hearing
from her.
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At that point, she's 18.
She can do what she want.
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I can't make her go anywhere.
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So, my daughter A'Iceis
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finally told us the truth.
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ALICE:
We talked to her.
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Like, this came out
months later.
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And she was crying. She was
very upset and distraught.
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She was telling us
about the incident at the studio
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when she was going
through the different rooms
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looking for, uh, Azriel.
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She knocked
on every one of the doors.
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She said there was girls
and stuff in other rooms,
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but, like, they couldn't talk.
They wouldn't say anything.
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She noticed buckets
in the corner of every room,
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and she said that it looked like
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they were using the buckets
to use the bathroom in.
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A'ICEIS:
I was like,
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why would you go from being able
to use your own bathroom
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to going in a room where
you have to pee in a corner?
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You have to pee in a pitcher.
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And then got to,
whenever he tells you,
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you can go and dump the piss,
you can go dump it.
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PRODUCER:
Why do you think
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your daughter,
A'Iceis, changed her story?
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-It was because
he had threatened...
-ANGELO: Yeah.
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He had threatened her
and us, and...
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You know, he could make it bad
for your family, and, yeah,
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maybe your mom and your father
and this and that.
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So I could see her taking that
into consideration
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and think
she's looking out for us,
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you know, saving her parents.
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But I wish she wouldn't have.
I wish she would've
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told me right then and there,
you know?
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A'ICEIS:
So, Azriel was with him.
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ANGELO: You know,
we're a very close-knit family.
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Very. We're very open,
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so she could've talked to us
about anything, so for her
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to leave her family
was mind-blowing for us.
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ALICE: I called the number
that I had for her
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three or four times a day.
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I don't get an answer,
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don't get a reply. I text.
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When you have a child
that's lost and passed away,
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you know, you know they're gone,
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like, you're never
gonna see them again,
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but this is a little bit
different,
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because I know she's somewhere.
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It's just that he won't
allow her to talk to me.
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She fell in love with someone
that is a predator.
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It's heartbreaking.
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(crying)
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ALICE: The last time that we saw
Azriel was at her graduation
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from high school in 2016.
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After Azriel turned 18,
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we started having all kinds
of people from social media,
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just from everywhere, reaching
out to us, anonymously,
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saying, um, you know, all this
was going on with our daughter,
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and that we needed
to get her away from him.
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Okay, why you didn't
tell us that when she was 17?
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And so, this anonymous person
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actually put us in touch
with the Savages.
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One of their daughters,
Joycelyn, who was 19
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at the time
when she met R. Kelly,
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is also one of the young ladies
333
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that is with R. Kelly
in his sex cult.
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ANGELO:
To meet Tim and his wife--
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that was a kind of relief
as a parent, to finally
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meet somebody
who actually has gone through
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what we're going through,
because all the people
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that was around us, they could
say, "Oh, we understand."
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You don't understand.
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Nobody could ever understand
what it feels like
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to have a child
that's living and breathing,
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and you can't see 'em.
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TIMOTHY:
I had word that Joycelyn was
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at the Atlanta house
in Johns Creek.
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And we wanted
to do a wellness check.
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(distorted):
So, a wellness check
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is when you can call the police
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to check on someone that
you have not had contact with,
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and you're concerned
about the person's well-being.
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We're in front
of R. Kelly's house.
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We're trying to check on
our daughter, Joycelyn Savage.
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Make sure my sister,
Joycelyn Savage, is okay.
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And, uh, we're gonna do
what we have to do
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to make sure my daughter...
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No bruises,
no nothing on her body.
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We just want
to make sure she's fine.
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If she won't come to us at the
concert, we're gonna go to her.
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We're gonna make sure
that we see her.
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There's about four,
five police cars here already.
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At that time,
um, she wasn't there.
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Uh, we talked
to the police department,
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did a writ... written statement,
me and my wife.
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ALICE: The Savages hadn't talked
to their daughter, either,
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for a while,
so, they were like,
365
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"Let's get together to try
to do whatever we could
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"to get our girls home,
367
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"and to help other young ladies
so they won't fall victim.
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Let's see if we can get Chicago
to do a wellness check."
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I was told about the
wellness checks being done at
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the house in Atlanta, as well
as the studio in Chicago.
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R. Kelly knew
about the wellness check
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in Chicago before it happened,
because he has friends
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in the police department
in Chicago who warned them.
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The police officer went
and talked to the girls.
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He told the Savages
about their daughter,
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and then he told us
about our daughter.
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Um, he basically said
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both of the girls were okay,
they looked healthy,
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but at the end of the day,
that doesn't mean anything.
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My daughter is still not home
with me.
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My daughter
is being mistreated.
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We really want to know
what is he hiding?
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What are you really hiding?
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Why won't you let us see
our daughter?
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Throughout this whole process,
um,
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initially, I had told you,
we had people come out
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anonymously and tell us that,
you know, what was going on
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with Azriel
once she turned 18.
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We have people coming back,
other young ladies,
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that's telling us stuff.
I mean, this is crazy.
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This man is a monster.
That's what he is.
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BURKE: I remember reading
about the Savages and
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the Clarys and their desperation
to get their daughters home.
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And while I wasn't surprised,
I was surprised.
395
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We've seen such a progression
from the...
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from the very first allegations
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we heard of,
of him picking up young girls
398
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and having sex with them,
399
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to now.
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He's still engaging
in this behavior,
401
00:18:28,023 --> 00:18:29,942
but it feels like
he's being more clever
402
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about the ways that he, um,
403
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preys on this community
of girls.
404
00:18:34,947 --> 00:18:37,908
Getting girls
who are right over the age
405
00:18:37,908 --> 00:18:39,993
so people can't technically say
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that
you're with an underage girl.
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FORMER EMPLOYEE:
The house in Atlanta,
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the main house, is the house
where he stays, and the girls
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lived in the house, as well.
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00:18:54,675 --> 00:18:57,761
In the house,
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Azriel kind of had precedence
over the other girls
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when it came to where he slept
at night, or whatever
413
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he considered his night.
414
00:19:06,937 --> 00:19:08,355
That's the room
he would sleep in.
415
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She's the girl
he would go to bed with.
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In the beginning, Joycelyn was
back and forth to school.
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The trainer was a girl
that lived in the house.
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She had been there the longest.
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She's the girl he really trusts.
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Her responsibility was to train
all the girls who he brought in.
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Any girl
that R. Kelly slept with,
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she slept with them, as well.
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He has a certain type of woman
or girl that he will bring
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into the house to live,
but as far as a woman
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that he would just
mess around with--
426
00:19:48,270 --> 00:19:50,772
he don't really have a type.
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Before the girls even become a
permanent fixture in the house,
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he gets a feel
of where they are mentally.
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If he meets a woman and then
finds out she has it going on,
430
00:20:01,283 --> 00:20:03,911
then that's the girl
who's just gonna come and go.
431
00:20:06,204 --> 00:20:09,499
If the girl seems
like she's weak,
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she don't really have
the family's support,
433
00:20:11,710 --> 00:20:14,129
or no one's gonna come
asking questions,
434
00:20:14,129 --> 00:20:16,506
or he's even able
to manipulate the family--
435
00:20:16,506 --> 00:20:19,217
that's the girl
he's gonna bring into the house.
436
00:20:20,969 --> 00:20:23,931
The girls who are in the house
are girls who are
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00:20:23,931 --> 00:20:26,892
just totally dependent on him.
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00:20:30,979 --> 00:20:33,398
ASANTE:
He'd go for the younger girls
439
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because they are weak-minded,
440
00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,654
but if you're older, and he
feels like you're weak-minded,
441
00:20:38,654 --> 00:20:40,489
he's gonna go for you, too.
442
00:20:40,489 --> 00:20:43,367
It doesn't matter
if you're 16 or if you're 40.
443
00:20:43,367 --> 00:20:45,452
If you can contr...
If he could control you,
444
00:20:45,452 --> 00:20:46,912
that's all he wants.
445
00:20:49,456 --> 00:20:51,667
I was that die-hard fan.
446
00:20:51,667 --> 00:20:54,294
If you said anything bad
about him,
447
00:20:54,294 --> 00:20:56,171
I would put you out of my house.
448
00:20:56,171 --> 00:20:57,631
I would, like...
449
00:20:57,631 --> 00:20:59,424
I would just stop
all communication.
450
00:21:01,677 --> 00:21:04,721
When I first met R. Kelly,
I was just shell-shocked.
451
00:21:06,848 --> 00:21:08,475
I was, like, really nervous,
452
00:21:08,475 --> 00:21:10,269
and, like,
he was just real friendly,
453
00:21:10,269 --> 00:21:12,062
just, you know, talking openly.
454
00:21:12,062 --> 00:21:13,897
Laughing, telling jokes,
and I'd laugh.
455
00:21:15,107 --> 00:21:17,442
R. Kelly and I started dating.
456
00:21:17,442 --> 00:21:20,529
Officially, for us,
it was 2014.
457
00:21:23,490 --> 00:21:26,118
It-it was really like
a high for me, because I...
458
00:21:26,118 --> 00:21:27,995
'cause, again, it's R. Kelly.
459
00:21:27,995 --> 00:21:30,163
(chuckling): So it was like,
I'm engaging in conversation,
460
00:21:30,163 --> 00:21:31,707
texting with R. Kelly.
461
00:21:33,458 --> 00:21:35,460
In the beginning,
462
00:21:35,460 --> 00:21:38,296
he gave me some of the rules,
but not all of the rules.
463
00:21:38,296 --> 00:21:40,799
He pretty much let me know
that he had other girls.
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00:21:40,799 --> 00:21:43,010
I had to accept it.
If I couldn't accept it,
465
00:21:43,010 --> 00:21:45,303
then there's no need for us
to even try anything.
466
00:21:47,389 --> 00:21:49,641
At the time, knowing that
467
00:21:49,641 --> 00:21:51,393
I was not the only woman
in his life--
468
00:21:51,393 --> 00:21:52,811
I was okay with it because
469
00:21:52,811 --> 00:21:54,896
I felt like he was honest.
470
00:21:54,896 --> 00:21:56,898
I was married before,
471
00:21:56,898 --> 00:21:59,192
and my husband--
he was abusive,
472
00:21:59,192 --> 00:22:00,861
as well as he was a cheater.
473
00:22:00,861 --> 00:22:03,196
And I respected the fact
474
00:22:03,196 --> 00:22:05,282
that R. Kelly was honest
to let me know
475
00:22:05,282 --> 00:22:07,576
that "it's not just you
that I'm seeing."
476
00:22:07,576 --> 00:22:10,829
So, it was just like a dream
come true, and it was like
477
00:22:10,829 --> 00:22:14,249
I was willing to do anything
to please him.
478
00:22:17,836 --> 00:22:19,796
When we started
becoming intimate,
479
00:22:19,796 --> 00:22:21,798
I was living
in my home in Atlanta,
480
00:22:21,798 --> 00:22:24,009
and he was living
in his home in Chicago.
481
00:22:25,802 --> 00:22:28,555
I would travel
back and forth to Chicago,
482
00:22:28,555 --> 00:22:30,849
or whatever city he was at,
as far as the tour.
483
00:22:32,184 --> 00:22:33,810
And then, he was also coming
484
00:22:33,810 --> 00:22:35,312
to Atlanta a lot,
as well, because
485
00:22:35,312 --> 00:22:37,898
he was using someone's studio
and playing basketball.
486
00:22:37,898 --> 00:22:41,234
And so, I was with him
487
00:22:41,234 --> 00:22:43,195
when he was in Atlanta.
488
00:22:44,738 --> 00:22:47,824
As a fly-in,
it was normal life.
489
00:22:47,824 --> 00:22:50,452
Just me and him, two consensual
adults having sex.
490
00:22:50,452 --> 00:22:52,454
Nothing out of the ordinary.
491
00:22:52,454 --> 00:22:55,916
Two years
within our relationship,
492
00:22:55,916 --> 00:22:58,043
I started seeing the changes
493
00:22:58,043 --> 00:23:00,170
when he invited me
to move into his house.
494
00:23:00,170 --> 00:23:01,713
The way he invited me...
495
00:23:01,713 --> 00:23:03,715
Well, he didn't invite me.
He told me.
496
00:23:05,926 --> 00:23:08,929
I went to his tour
in Houston, Texas,
497
00:23:08,929 --> 00:23:11,056
and I'm thinking I'm about
to fly home, and I was told
498
00:23:11,056 --> 00:23:13,141
by one of his assistants, "You
need to go get your clothes,
499
00:23:13,141 --> 00:23:14,559
"'cause you're gonna end up
500
00:23:14,559 --> 00:23:15,977
in the next city
without any clothes."
501
00:23:15,977 --> 00:23:18,480
I was like,
"Huh? What do you mean?"
502
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,857
So, I got my suitcase
and got on the bus.
503
00:23:22,776 --> 00:23:26,071
And we ended up in Atlanta
at his house, in Johns Creek.
504
00:23:27,906 --> 00:23:29,699
He said,
"Welcome home, my babies."
505
00:23:29,699 --> 00:23:31,493
And he opened the door,
506
00:23:31,493 --> 00:23:32,994
and I'm like, "Welcome home?"
507
00:23:32,994 --> 00:23:34,746
So he gave us a tour
of his house,
508
00:23:34,746 --> 00:23:36,665
showed me my bedroom,
shows us all our bedrooms.
509
00:23:36,665 --> 00:23:38,250
And he told, you know,
510
00:23:38,250 --> 00:23:40,877
us to go ahead and go in
your room, put your clothes up.
511
00:23:43,672 --> 00:23:47,717
I didn't start ha-having to ask
R. Kelly for permission for--
512
00:23:47,717 --> 00:23:51,012
to eat and stuff until he
actually moved me in the house.
513
00:23:51,012 --> 00:23:52,889
(door squeaks open)
514
00:23:52,889 --> 00:23:55,100
It was just like a nightmare.
515
00:24:01,064 --> 00:24:03,066
FORMER EMPLOYEE:
Robert has to strategically
516
00:24:03,066 --> 00:24:05,443
spread his money out
and pay certain bills,
517
00:24:05,443 --> 00:24:07,487
uh, because he's lost money.
518
00:24:07,487 --> 00:24:10,949
He don't have the income coming
in like he has previously,
519
00:24:10,949 --> 00:24:14,536
so he did get evicted
from the house in Atlanta.
520
00:24:22,002 --> 00:24:24,379
ASANTE:
Just being here
521
00:24:24,379 --> 00:24:26,798
and just seeing this door
is about to bring back
522
00:24:26,798 --> 00:24:28,550
a whole bunch of memories
523
00:24:28,550 --> 00:24:30,886
that I never thought
I had to revisit.
524
00:24:30,886 --> 00:24:32,888
(door creaks open)
525
00:24:36,516 --> 00:24:38,518
Wow.
526
00:24:42,314 --> 00:24:44,441
This looks totally different
527
00:24:44,441 --> 00:24:46,151
from when...
the last time I was here.
528
00:24:49,154 --> 00:24:52,824
So, upstairs is where all
of the bedrooms are,
529
00:24:52,824 --> 00:24:54,826
other than his bedroom.
530
00:24:58,872 --> 00:25:00,874
Right here,
531
00:25:00,874 --> 00:25:04,794
this is my bedroom right here.
532
00:25:04,794 --> 00:25:07,422
I don't think
I want to go in there.
533
00:25:07,422 --> 00:25:11,051
I'm gonna just show you guys
the other bedrooms.
534
00:25:17,557 --> 00:25:19,559
In my opinion,
535
00:25:19,559 --> 00:25:21,811
I feel like this
is the wickedest part.
536
00:25:21,811 --> 00:25:23,855
The whole room was black.
537
00:25:23,855 --> 00:25:26,107
He had black curtains.
538
00:25:26,107 --> 00:25:29,194
He had, basically--
Furniture was black.
539
00:25:29,194 --> 00:25:32,697
And right here in the middle
was the actual bed.
540
00:25:32,697 --> 00:25:34,866
And I just really feel like...
541
00:25:34,866 --> 00:25:36,952
this room right here...
542
00:25:36,952 --> 00:25:39,120
(voice breaking):
...besides my bedroom,
543
00:25:39,120 --> 00:25:43,375
was, like,
the most degrading thing ever
544
00:25:43,375 --> 00:25:45,210
for-- I mean, it's, like--
545
00:25:45,210 --> 00:25:47,045
things that happened in here
546
00:25:47,045 --> 00:25:49,714
that you wouldn't
even think that would happen,
547
00:25:49,714 --> 00:25:53,051
but you had
to pretty much agree to it.
548
00:25:53,051 --> 00:25:56,638
No matter how demeaning
it felt or seemed,
549
00:25:56,638 --> 00:25:59,099
you had to always just play
along with it.
550
00:25:59,099 --> 00:26:01,268
And it was just,
like, you had Rob
551
00:26:01,268 --> 00:26:04,145
pretty much, like,
making you do the unthinkable.
552
00:26:04,145 --> 00:26:06,564
And I just feel like...
I never thought that I would
553
00:26:06,564 --> 00:26:09,985
ever come back to this house
and especially this room.
554
00:26:09,985 --> 00:26:12,153
I never realized
555
00:26:12,153 --> 00:26:15,156
how much this room hurts me.
556
00:26:15,156 --> 00:26:18,159
(sniffles)
But a-actually coming in here,
557
00:26:18,159 --> 00:26:21,246
I don't want to ever revisit
this room again.
558
00:26:22,289 --> 00:26:24,749
(sniffles, crying)
559
00:26:26,668 --> 00:26:28,503
(sniffles)
560
00:26:28,503 --> 00:26:30,505
(crying)
561
00:26:30,505 --> 00:26:32,173
This is just...
562
00:26:32,173 --> 00:26:34,092
(sniffles)
563
00:26:34,092 --> 00:26:37,095
(crying)
564
00:26:37,095 --> 00:26:39,139
(sniffles)
565
00:26:39,139 --> 00:26:42,183
(crying)
566
00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:51,192
e crying)
567
00:26:51,192 --> 00:26:53,320
ASANTE:
I remember, at times,
568
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:54,404
coming out of my room.
(sniffles)
569
00:26:54,404 --> 00:26:56,698
In order to come down my steps,
570
00:26:56,698 --> 00:26:59,993
I had to beat for him
571
00:26:59,993 --> 00:27:02,579
to actually give me permission.
And when I say "beat,"
572
00:27:02,579 --> 00:27:04,581
-I literally had to do this...
-(stomping)
573
00:27:04,581 --> 00:27:06,249
...for him to hear me.
574
00:27:06,249 --> 00:27:09,919
It's been times
where I've knocked for hours,
575
00:27:09,919 --> 00:27:12,964
and he just did not respond.
576
00:27:16,885 --> 00:27:19,721
A person don't love you
if he's treating you like that.
577
00:27:19,721 --> 00:27:21,973
And I just knew
I had to get out.
578
00:27:21,973 --> 00:27:25,352
So I packed my bags
and left the house.
579
00:27:28,855 --> 00:27:32,525
Before I actually met him
personally--
580
00:27:32,525 --> 00:27:34,527
I guess because I was
just so much of that fan--
581
00:27:34,527 --> 00:27:37,697
I just couldn't see him
as being that monster.
582
00:27:37,697 --> 00:27:40,784
But now,
actually being in that house
583
00:27:40,784 --> 00:27:43,787
and witnessing with my own eyes,
584
00:27:43,787 --> 00:27:47,290
I regret not listening
and believing
585
00:27:47,290 --> 00:27:49,417
of the allegations
that happened.
586
00:27:49,417 --> 00:27:53,755
There is a difference
between R. Kelly and Robert.
587
00:27:53,755 --> 00:27:58,051
R. Kelly is this fun,
laughing, loving guy.
588
00:27:59,052 --> 00:28:01,304
But Robert is the devil.
589
00:28:06,684 --> 00:28:10,355
ORONIKE ODELEYE: Mute R. Kelly
started in the summer of 2017,
590
00:28:10,355 --> 00:28:13,191
when the allegations came out
about him having
591
00:28:13,191 --> 00:28:14,692
what the media
were calling sex cults
592
00:28:14,692 --> 00:28:16,277
in his home here in Atlanta.
593
00:28:18,613 --> 00:28:20,865
The goals of Mute R. Kelly in
the beginning were very humble.
594
00:28:20,865 --> 00:28:23,034
It was, "Let's get him
off Atlanta radio."
595
00:28:25,328 --> 00:28:27,831
"And let's get his concerts
cancelled."
596
00:28:27,831 --> 00:28:29,666
I thought that that would be
a really, kind of, simple ask,
597
00:28:29,666 --> 00:28:31,668
with the 25 years of receipts
598
00:28:31,668 --> 00:28:33,169
that we have
against this person.
599
00:28:33,169 --> 00:28:35,588
Um, and that was met
with resounding silence.
600
00:28:35,588 --> 00:28:37,924
Um, you know, the radio stations
would not respond,
601
00:28:37,924 --> 00:28:39,801
would not call me back.
602
00:28:39,801 --> 00:28:42,220
We'd been playing R. Kelly music
and hearing these rumors
603
00:28:42,220 --> 00:28:45,640
and sometimes accusations
of-of R. Kelly.
604
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,644
But radio has always
just concentrated on the music
605
00:28:49,644 --> 00:28:52,147
and not the--
and not the background.
606
00:28:52,147 --> 00:28:53,940
And that is our fault.
607
00:28:53,940 --> 00:28:55,942
At the same time,
we discovered that he was--
608
00:28:55,942 --> 00:28:57,527
had a concert
coming up in Atlanta.
609
00:28:59,737 --> 00:29:01,531
And so we decided to, um--
610
00:29:01,531 --> 00:29:02,949
to protest.
611
00:29:02,949 --> 00:29:05,243
WOMAN:
What'd we come to do?!
612
00:29:05,243 --> 00:29:06,494
PROTESTORS:
Mute R. Kelly!
613
00:29:06,494 --> 00:29:08,413
WOMAN:
And when we gonna do it?!
614
00:29:08,413 --> 00:29:09,873
PROTESTORS:
Now!
615
00:29:10,832 --> 00:29:12,375
ODELEYE:
The response
616
00:29:12,375 --> 00:29:16,212
was very, kind of, polarized,
I think,
617
00:29:16,212 --> 00:29:17,714
as the black community is
on R. Kelly.
618
00:29:17,714 --> 00:29:19,716
-WOMEN: R. Kelly!
-(laughter)
619
00:29:19,716 --> 00:29:21,593
You know,
he's been the same for years.
620
00:29:21,593 --> 00:29:22,802
Who are we to judge?
621
00:29:22,802 --> 00:29:25,472
The protestors
don't affect anything.
622
00:29:25,472 --> 00:29:27,599
ODELEYE: And then, on the other
hand, people are like,
623
00:29:27,599 --> 00:29:29,267
"Hallelujah, finally,
somebody's doing something."
624
00:29:29,267 --> 00:29:30,685
And from there,
625
00:29:30,685 --> 00:29:32,520
people started reaching us out,
like, "Hey,
626
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:33,897
he's coming to Dallas."
627
00:29:33,897 --> 00:29:35,023
"He's coming to Detroit."
628
00:29:35,023 --> 00:29:36,024
"What can we do?"
629
00:29:38,109 --> 00:29:39,527
They fought back and said,
630
00:29:39,527 --> 00:29:41,696
"We do not want him
performing here."
631
00:29:43,531 --> 00:29:45,366
-WOMAN: Shame on you!
-PROTESTORS: Shame on you!
632
00:29:45,366 --> 00:29:47,535
-WOMAN: Shame on you!
-Shame on you!
633
00:29:47,535 --> 00:29:49,454
-WOMAN: Black girls'...
-Black girls'...
634
00:29:49,454 --> 00:29:51,748
-WOMAN: ...lives matter!
-...lives matter!
635
00:29:51,748 --> 00:29:53,791
I am a-a R. Kelly fan.
636
00:29:53,791 --> 00:29:55,460
There's two sides
to every story.
637
00:29:55,460 --> 00:29:56,544
FAN:
I'm here for the music
638
00:29:56,544 --> 00:29:57,587
and nothing else.
639
00:29:57,587 --> 00:29:59,422
And so we started to organize
640
00:29:59,422 --> 00:30:01,549
the people locally
in those towns,
641
00:30:01,549 --> 00:30:03,635
to hold protests,
642
00:30:03,635 --> 00:30:05,553
to ask venues to cancel it.
643
00:30:06,638 --> 00:30:08,765
We've held seven protests
644
00:30:08,765 --> 00:30:10,642
in cities around the country.
645
00:30:10,642 --> 00:30:11,893
R. Kelly may have to find
646
00:30:11,893 --> 00:30:14,312
a new spot
to hold his next concert.
647
00:30:14,312 --> 00:30:15,688
And it's, you know,
just grown and grown and grown.
648
00:30:17,565 --> 00:30:20,193
REPORTER: Kelly says
he and his attorneys plan
649
00:30:20,193 --> 00:30:22,028
to get to the bottom
of the cancellation
650
00:30:22,028 --> 00:30:23,863
of his performance.
651
00:30:24,906 --> 00:30:27,075
BURKE:
In 2017,
652
00:30:27,075 --> 00:30:29,494
these two big stories
come out about R. Kelly,
653
00:30:29,494 --> 00:30:33,289
around him
holding the girls captive.
654
00:30:33,289 --> 00:30:35,041
And it falls right
into this continuum of stories
655
00:30:35,041 --> 00:30:37,460
that have come out
around sexual misconduct,
656
00:30:37,460 --> 00:30:40,255
sexual harassment
in mainstream industries.
657
00:30:40,255 --> 00:30:42,048
And in September,
we have the huge
658
00:30:42,048 --> 00:30:43,633
Harvey Weinstein articles drop,
659
00:30:43,633 --> 00:30:45,802
which propelled
this whole movement forward.
660
00:30:45,802 --> 00:30:48,930
And R. Kelly
doesn't get included in that.
661
00:30:48,930 --> 00:30:51,015
Jerhonda Pace broke her NDA
around R. Kelly,
662
00:30:51,015 --> 00:30:53,560
and I wanted
to shine light on that
663
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,562
and continue to keep
the conversation about R. Kelly
664
00:30:55,562 --> 00:30:58,815
and the accusations against him
in the public eye.
665
00:30:58,815 --> 00:31:01,651
-Like, I was 16.
I didn't know...
-MAI: Were you scared? What was
666
00:31:01,651 --> 00:31:03,611
-running through your head?
-Yeah, how were you feeling
when all that was happening?
667
00:31:03,611 --> 00:31:06,406
Very frightened.
And, like, he would slap you
668
00:31:06,406 --> 00:31:10,243
in your face, and he would
physically, like, harm you.
669
00:31:10,243 --> 00:31:13,705
There are six women
that R. Kelly-- allegedly--
670
00:31:13,705 --> 00:31:16,874
lives with and controls them.
671
00:31:16,874 --> 00:31:19,043
NELSON: When usually
one person comes forward,
672
00:31:19,043 --> 00:31:21,296
-the door kind of opens.
We saw this with #MeToo.
-Mm-hmm.
673
00:31:21,296 --> 00:31:23,715
NELSON: The question here is
why does R. Kelly
674
00:31:23,715 --> 00:31:26,342
always survive this?
And the second biggest question
675
00:31:26,342 --> 00:31:29,470
is why is the black community
complicit in silence?
676
00:31:29,470 --> 00:31:32,890
If them kids
were Caucasian young women,
677
00:31:32,890 --> 00:31:36,728
we would not be going
through this.
678
00:31:36,728 --> 00:31:39,480
The most disrespected woman
in America, historically,
679
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,316
has always been the black woman.
680
00:31:41,316 --> 00:31:44,068
You know, I always say, if you
want to get away with murder,
681
00:31:44,068 --> 00:31:45,570
kill a black rapper.
682
00:31:45,570 --> 00:31:46,988
If you want to get away
with sexual assault,
683
00:31:46,988 --> 00:31:49,449
assault a young black girl.
684
00:31:49,449 --> 00:31:53,036
If R. Kelly had been doing this
to white women-- oh, my God.
685
00:31:53,036 --> 00:31:54,829
The fact that
it's mostly young black girls
686
00:31:54,829 --> 00:31:58,249
that he preys on,
simply nobody cares.
687
00:31:58,249 --> 00:32:01,169
BURKE:
These families came forward
688
00:32:01,169 --> 00:32:04,505
and were making desperate pleas
to get their children back,
689
00:32:04,505 --> 00:32:06,466
to get their-their daughters
back home
690
00:32:06,466 --> 00:32:08,343
and away from R. Kelly.
691
00:32:08,343 --> 00:32:12,805
We've been watching them since
they came forward in 2017,
692
00:32:12,805 --> 00:32:15,266
tried various attempts
to get media attention,
693
00:32:15,266 --> 00:32:16,893
but it doesn't take hold.
694
00:32:16,893 --> 00:32:19,604
And again, I think that goes
back into this idea that
695
00:32:19,604 --> 00:32:21,981
black girls don't matter.
696
00:32:21,981 --> 00:32:24,067
They don't matter enough.
697
00:32:24,067 --> 00:32:26,152
And it's proven
over and over again.
698
00:32:26,152 --> 00:32:30,573
We still socially don't perceive
young black women as innocent,
699
00:32:30,573 --> 00:32:33,493
as deserving of protection;
somehow it's their fault.
700
00:32:33,493 --> 00:32:35,578
When the reality is that
the problem isn't the girls,
701
00:32:35,578 --> 00:32:38,831
the problem is the predators.
702
00:32:38,831 --> 00:32:40,667
The way that we in society
talk about
703
00:32:40,667 --> 00:32:42,502
and think about sexual violence,
a lot of times
704
00:32:42,502 --> 00:32:44,253
it puts the onus on the victim.
705
00:32:44,253 --> 00:32:48,591
People are brainwashed into
thinking that they have
706
00:32:48,591 --> 00:32:50,677
some complicity in
their own abuse.
707
00:32:50,677 --> 00:32:54,889
And so they don't come forward
because of the deep shame,
708
00:32:54,889 --> 00:32:57,225
the fear of being ostracized
in their community.
709
00:32:57,225 --> 00:32:58,476
There are all these
different factors
710
00:32:58,476 --> 00:32:59,769
that allow people
to stay silent.
711
00:32:59,769 --> 00:33:01,688
ASANTE:
We're not blaming R. Kelly
712
00:33:01,688 --> 00:33:02,814
for what he's doing,
713
00:33:02,814 --> 00:33:04,941
we're blaming each other.
714
00:33:04,941 --> 00:33:07,318
When you have fans like myself,
715
00:33:07,318 --> 00:33:09,487
when I was that fan,
that die-hard fan,
716
00:33:09,487 --> 00:33:11,447
and I just felt like,
"Oh, these girls are lying."
717
00:33:11,447 --> 00:33:13,366
DR. JODY ADEWALE:
People who stand up
718
00:33:13,366 --> 00:33:16,661
and say, "I've been victimized.
I've been sexually abused,"
719
00:33:16,661 --> 00:33:21,290
we, as-as a society, tend
to meet it with skepticism.
720
00:33:21,290 --> 00:33:24,377
Because there have been cases
where people have lied.
721
00:33:24,377 --> 00:33:28,047
What do these young ladies
have to gain from lying?
722
00:33:28,047 --> 00:33:29,966
Oh, it's not like R. Kelly is
some rich billionaire
723
00:33:29,966 --> 00:33:32,301
that's just out here cutting
checks to everybody.
724
00:33:32,301 --> 00:33:33,553
It seems to me like
some of these young ladies
725
00:33:33,553 --> 00:33:35,179
just want to see the truth.
726
00:33:35,179 --> 00:33:37,473
And I think with the whole
Time's Up/Me Too movement,
727
00:33:37,473 --> 00:33:39,267
and they see everybody else,
you know,
728
00:33:39,267 --> 00:33:42,895
getting their careers cancelled
and people getting convicted,
729
00:33:42,895 --> 00:33:44,772
they're like, "Yo, well,
we want some justice, too.
730
00:33:44,772 --> 00:33:47,275
"Can we use some of this
Time's Up/Me Too movement energy
731
00:33:47,275 --> 00:33:49,318
to get-get him, get him gone?"
732
00:33:49,318 --> 00:33:52,113
R. Kelly's victims,
nobody just cares about the--
733
00:33:52,113 --> 00:33:54,699
the black women that speak out,
especially the black community.
734
00:33:54,699 --> 00:33:57,994
It's the black community
that bashes the black women
735
00:33:57,994 --> 00:33:59,662
that speak out about abuse.
736
00:33:59,662 --> 00:34:01,998
ODELEYE: You have this,
you know, powerful person
737
00:34:01,998 --> 00:34:05,001
that's beloved in
the African-American community.
738
00:34:05,001 --> 00:34:07,462
And then you have a victim
that nobody cares about.
739
00:34:07,462 --> 00:34:11,299
Um, and the greater society
perpetuates stereotypes
740
00:34:11,299 --> 00:34:14,302
about black women that
internally you start to believe.
741
00:34:14,302 --> 00:34:16,596
We'll believe it if it's
a convenient excuse
742
00:34:16,596 --> 00:34:20,099
not to have to deal with
the reality of R. Kelly,
743
00:34:20,099 --> 00:34:23,269
and how we've been supporting
and enabling him for decades.
744
00:34:26,147 --> 00:34:28,357
NORAH O'DONNELL: A woman is
suing singer-songwriter
745
00:34:28,357 --> 00:34:30,651
R. Kelly for allegedly
failing to disclose
746
00:34:30,651 --> 00:34:32,403
a sexually transmitted disease.
747
00:34:32,403 --> 00:34:34,697
She also accuses him
of sexual battery.
748
00:34:41,078 --> 00:34:43,039
REPORTER 4: This woman, Faith
Rodgers, says that she was
749
00:34:43,039 --> 00:34:46,334
in a relationship with R. Kelly
when she was 19
750
00:34:46,334 --> 00:34:48,419
for nearly a year
before leaving.
751
00:34:50,463 --> 00:34:54,967
My name is Faith, and I met
R. Kelly in March of 2017.
752
00:34:54,967 --> 00:34:57,345
He kind of had, like,
a goofiness to him
753
00:34:57,345 --> 00:34:59,180
when I initially met him.
754
00:35:03,142 --> 00:35:06,729
I knew he was older,
but when he gave me his number,
755
00:35:06,729 --> 00:35:08,606
I wasn't thinking
756
00:35:08,606 --> 00:35:11,901
things would be where they are,
um, almost a year later.
757
00:35:11,901 --> 00:35:14,278
He really was persistent,
and he would call me,
758
00:35:14,278 --> 00:35:17,323
and we would just talk about
regular things.
759
00:35:17,323 --> 00:35:19,033
I was flattered.
760
00:35:19,033 --> 00:35:24,914
Nothing ever came off as...
negative to me
761
00:35:24,914 --> 00:35:26,791
in our conversations
in the beginning.
762
00:35:28,543 --> 00:35:35,258
So, the next time I saw
R. Kelly was in May of 2017.
763
00:35:35,258 --> 00:35:38,511
I flew to New York for a show.
764
00:35:38,511 --> 00:35:40,596
(crowd cheering)
765
00:35:40,596 --> 00:35:43,891
So, after the show,
I went back to the room,
766
00:35:43,891 --> 00:35:47,812
ended up falling asleep.
At 6:00 a.m.,
767
00:35:47,812 --> 00:35:49,146
pounding at the door.
768
00:35:49,146 --> 00:35:51,399
Pounding, not knocking.
He's pounding at the door.
769
00:35:53,442 --> 00:35:55,152
Our conversations had been
so great,
770
00:35:55,152 --> 00:35:57,029
I expected the first encounter
to go different.
771
00:35:59,323 --> 00:36:01,993
It was consensual,
but it was consented
772
00:36:01,993 --> 00:36:03,578
by intimidation.
773
00:36:03,578 --> 00:36:08,207
I felt just, like,
something I had to do,
774
00:36:08,207 --> 00:36:09,458
not that I wanted to do,
775
00:36:09,458 --> 00:36:12,044
but I had to do
because it was R. Kelly.
776
00:36:12,044 --> 00:36:15,339
And who are you
to tell R. Kelly no?
777
00:36:15,339 --> 00:36:19,927
He's the type of person--
He's very demanding.
778
00:36:19,927 --> 00:36:22,179
He's like a director,
and this is his movie.
779
00:36:22,179 --> 00:36:25,433
So, he's-he's like,
"Do you like it?"
780
00:36:25,433 --> 00:36:26,976
And I'm not responding.
781
00:36:26,976 --> 00:36:28,686
And he's like,
"Tell Daddy you like it."
782
00:36:28,686 --> 00:36:30,813
And I'm still not responding.
783
00:36:30,813 --> 00:36:33,733
And he's like, "We need to work
on your moaning skills."
784
00:36:33,733 --> 00:36:36,819
So, right away,
he's critiquing me.
785
00:36:36,819 --> 00:36:41,866
And the whole time, you know,
he's-he's saying really...
786
00:36:41,866 --> 00:36:44,410
perverted things, almost.
787
00:36:44,410 --> 00:36:47,079
Um, he's like,
"Young-- young tight (bleep),"
788
00:36:47,079 --> 00:36:48,372
and things like that.
789
00:36:48,372 --> 00:36:50,833
And so, eventually, he stops.
790
00:36:50,833 --> 00:36:55,046
And I look back,
and there's an iPad.
791
00:36:55,046 --> 00:36:57,381
And I just turn my head away,
you know.
792
00:36:57,381 --> 00:36:59,091
I didn't want my face
to be on it.
793
00:37:05,723 --> 00:37:08,434
Two months went by.
794
00:37:08,434 --> 00:37:14,357
The BuzzFeed thing about the
harem, that came out in July.
795
00:37:14,357 --> 00:37:19,987
I knew he was intimidating, um,
but these allegations came out.
796
00:37:19,987 --> 00:37:22,448
And they sounded so extreme.
797
00:37:22,448 --> 00:37:24,325
How could he kidnap somebody?
798
00:37:24,325 --> 00:37:27,495
How could he abuse somebody
and beat them?
799
00:37:27,495 --> 00:37:29,080
It was just twisted.
800
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,290
So I was really
sitting there, confused.
801
00:37:31,290 --> 00:37:34,085
The only conversation we had
about it was him saying,
802
00:37:34,085 --> 00:37:36,504
"It's not true."
That these were lies.
803
00:37:40,967 --> 00:37:45,262
Closer to the end of the year,
December,
804
00:37:45,262 --> 00:37:48,224
I had flown down
for his concert in Dallas.
805
00:37:48,224 --> 00:37:49,976
We were in a hotel room.
806
00:37:49,976 --> 00:37:53,688
He kind of had gone on this
emotional spiel,
807
00:37:53,688 --> 00:37:56,148
you know, um, about life.
808
00:37:56,148 --> 00:37:59,944
And then he revealed to me
about "the girls."
809
00:37:59,944 --> 00:38:01,737
He described them to be
a family.
810
00:38:01,737 --> 00:38:03,781
He made it seem like
a family thing.
811
00:38:03,781 --> 00:38:05,700
Um, "These are women
that I raise.
812
00:38:05,700 --> 00:38:07,493
"Some have been with me
for 15 years.
813
00:38:07,493 --> 00:38:09,245
Some of them have been with me
for five years."
814
00:38:09,245 --> 00:38:10,997
So he's sitting there
and he's thinking,
815
00:38:10,997 --> 00:38:12,248
and I can see him thinking
'cause he,
816
00:38:12,248 --> 00:38:14,000
you know, he's like this.
817
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,711
So I'm like, "What is he about
to do? Or ask me to do?"
818
00:38:16,711 --> 00:38:18,671
He makes a phone call,
and he's like,
819
00:38:18,671 --> 00:38:21,007
"Get dressed,
we're coming downstairs."
820
00:38:21,007 --> 00:38:23,342
So I'm like,
"Who are we going to see?"
821
00:38:23,342 --> 00:38:26,429
We go downstairs,
822
00:38:26,429 --> 00:38:28,472
and, um, he opens the door.
823
00:38:32,601 --> 00:38:34,812
And it's the girl I saw
in the TMZ stuff.
824
00:38:36,355 --> 00:38:38,524
I'm like, "Oh.
825
00:38:38,524 --> 00:38:42,695
She's the girl that her parents
said that she was kidnapped."
826
00:38:56,625 --> 00:38:58,669
FAITH:
We were in a hotel room.
827
00:38:58,669 --> 00:39:01,672
R. Kelly, he opens the door.
828
00:39:01,672 --> 00:39:05,176
And it's the girl I saw
in the TMZ stuff.
829
00:39:05,176 --> 00:39:07,720
I'm like,
"Oh. She's the girl
830
00:39:07,720 --> 00:39:10,848
that her parents said
that she was kidnapped."
831
00:39:10,848 --> 00:39:14,143
She literally, like, jumped up
to him like a puppy,
832
00:39:14,143 --> 00:39:16,437
and kisses him on the mouth.
833
00:39:18,773 --> 00:39:22,902
Seeing Joycelyn do exactly
what he told her to do,
834
00:39:22,902 --> 00:39:24,779
she's not acting like
a real person.
835
00:39:24,779 --> 00:39:26,572
She's acting like a robot.
836
00:39:26,572 --> 00:39:28,616
Everything he said was so funny.
837
00:39:28,616 --> 00:39:32,411
Or, you know, she was right
there, just like, in awe of him.
838
00:39:32,411 --> 00:39:34,330
And it's like,
but when he would leave,
839
00:39:34,330 --> 00:39:36,040
she would just be numb.
840
00:39:38,751 --> 00:39:41,629
I wouldn't say
she was kidnapped.
841
00:39:41,629 --> 00:39:43,798
Brainwashed? Yes, absolutely.
842
00:39:43,798 --> 00:39:46,801
ADEWALE: Our clinical term
for brainwashing
843
00:39:46,801 --> 00:39:48,260
is psychological manipulation.
844
00:39:48,260 --> 00:39:51,180
There's nothing stopping you
from leaving,
845
00:39:51,180 --> 00:39:54,016
but an individual might stay
because he or she might believe,
846
00:39:54,016 --> 00:39:55,351
"I can't get out
of this situation."
847
00:39:59,814 --> 00:40:02,108
FAITH: When I walked away
from the situation,
848
00:40:02,108 --> 00:40:06,403
I didn't walk away because
things had gotten bad
849
00:40:06,403 --> 00:40:08,656
and, you know, he-he didn't want
to talk to me. No.
850
00:40:08,656 --> 00:40:11,826
I had made a conscious decision
that I wasn't gonna
851
00:40:11,826 --> 00:40:16,038
involve myself with someone
who's doing this to young girls,
852
00:40:16,038 --> 00:40:18,374
and women,
because that's not who I am.
853
00:40:18,374 --> 00:40:20,126
That's not what I stand for.
854
00:40:20,126 --> 00:40:23,963
I had cut ties with him
in February.
855
00:40:23,963 --> 00:40:26,090
And I had no intentions
on getting back with him.
856
00:40:26,090 --> 00:40:27,466
I just wanted to move on.
857
00:40:27,466 --> 00:40:31,846
So after it was over
and done with,
858
00:40:31,846 --> 00:40:34,807
I made the decision
to reach out to the Savages.
859
00:40:34,807 --> 00:40:38,018
I went to tell them about
how it went
860
00:40:38,018 --> 00:40:40,062
with me meeting
their daughter Joycelyn.
861
00:40:40,062 --> 00:40:43,732
FAITH (over phone): When I--
when I did meet her, um...
862
00:40:43,732 --> 00:40:46,193
like, she opened
the door and like,
863
00:40:46,193 --> 00:40:48,112
he, like, looked at me
and he looked at her.
864
00:40:48,112 --> 00:40:50,865
And he was like, "I want y'all
to get to know each other."
865
00:40:50,865 --> 00:40:52,867
-Mm.
-(laughs): So, uh...
866
00:40:52,867 --> 00:40:54,952
I was just like, "Okay."
867
00:40:54,952 --> 00:40:58,289
Because, you know, like seeing
all that stuff on the news,
868
00:40:58,289 --> 00:41:01,417
then, like, seeing her video
and then seeing her in person,
869
00:41:01,417 --> 00:41:04,837
like, it all was just
really, like, wow.
870
00:41:04,837 --> 00:41:07,173
Like, this is real life.
871
00:41:07,173 --> 00:41:10,050
Right. I mean, it's not a game--
it's not a joke.
872
00:41:10,050 --> 00:41:11,635
If you're-- if you were around
long enough, he would have
873
00:41:11,635 --> 00:41:13,846
cut you off from your father
and your entire family.
874
00:41:13,846 --> 00:41:15,806
And your old friends
and everything.
875
00:41:16,974 --> 00:41:20,853
(sighs)
876
00:41:20,853 --> 00:41:22,605
FAITH: Of course
they were upset, you know?
877
00:41:22,605 --> 00:41:24,023
But they were like, "Thank you
878
00:41:24,023 --> 00:41:26,233
for telling us,
we haven't seen her."
879
00:41:26,233 --> 00:41:27,985
And the fact that
they had to ask me,
880
00:41:27,985 --> 00:41:30,779
"Well, what does she look like?
Was she skinnier?"
881
00:41:30,779 --> 00:41:32,114
Things like that,
you shouldn't have to ask
882
00:41:32,114 --> 00:41:33,699
about your own child.
883
00:41:33,699 --> 00:41:35,743
So that hit home for me,
and I couldn't imagine
884
00:41:35,743 --> 00:41:38,037
what my parents would feel like
if that were me.
885
00:41:39,705 --> 00:41:42,124
So from there,
they begin to tell me
886
00:41:42,124 --> 00:41:44,543
more disturbing things
about R. Kelly.
887
00:41:44,543 --> 00:41:46,128
And Tim Savage,
888
00:41:46,128 --> 00:41:48,088
he asked me if I had been
checked for STDs
889
00:41:48,088 --> 00:41:49,590
since I've been with him.
890
00:41:49,590 --> 00:41:52,051
And I'm like, "Why?"
and he's like,
891
00:41:52,051 --> 00:41:55,387
"I know for a fact my daughter
has an incurable STD.
892
00:41:55,387 --> 00:41:57,598
And she got it from R. Kelly."
893
00:42:02,436 --> 00:42:05,648
After I reached out
to the Savages,
894
00:42:05,648 --> 00:42:07,107
I went and got a blood test
895
00:42:07,107 --> 00:42:09,401
and it came back positive
896
00:42:09,401 --> 00:42:11,820
for herpes.
897
00:42:13,530 --> 00:42:17,493
My initial reaction:
I wasn't angry at him.
898
00:42:17,493 --> 00:42:19,203
I was angry at myself.
899
00:42:19,203 --> 00:42:21,830
And I had already came
to a point where I decided,
900
00:42:21,830 --> 00:42:23,749
you know, I was done with him.
901
00:42:23,749 --> 00:42:26,460
And then, on the other hand,
I was like,
902
00:42:26,460 --> 00:42:29,296
"If it were somebody in my city
903
00:42:29,296 --> 00:42:31,924
"and they gave me a-an STD,
I would address it.
904
00:42:31,924 --> 00:42:36,095
I would pretty much make sure
they were held accountable."
905
00:42:36,095 --> 00:42:38,889
So why not hold him
906
00:42:38,889 --> 00:42:42,559
on the same platform?
907
00:42:42,559 --> 00:42:46,480
I knew I had to spread
the word.
908
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,315
I wasn't gonna wait
909
00:42:48,315 --> 00:42:50,985
ten or 20 years to come out
and say he did that to me.
910
00:42:50,985 --> 00:42:52,861
I was gonna come out now.
911
00:42:52,861 --> 00:42:55,698
NEWS REPORTER: A young woman
claimed singer R. Kelly
912
00:42:55,698 --> 00:42:58,158
intentionally gave her an STD,
913
00:42:58,158 --> 00:43:00,744
and now Dallas police
are investigating.
914
00:43:00,744 --> 00:43:02,746
When Mr. Kelly,
who was infested with her--
915
00:43:02,746 --> 00:43:05,791
uh, infected with herpes,
engaged in sexual conduct
916
00:43:05,791 --> 00:43:08,168
with my client without informing
him of her status--
917
00:43:08,168 --> 00:43:10,546
of his status,
he committed a crime.
918
00:43:10,546 --> 00:43:14,466
TOURE: So much evidence has been
on the table for so long,
919
00:43:14,466 --> 00:43:16,135
and it seems like,
in the last two years,
920
00:43:16,135 --> 00:43:20,931
there's been, like,
even more momentum of, like,
921
00:43:20,931 --> 00:43:24,018
"Whoa, this sex cult thing,"
like, "Whoa, this other story.
922
00:43:24,018 --> 00:43:25,936
Whoa, this woman
he gave an STD to."
923
00:43:25,936 --> 00:43:29,023
Why is RCA Records still
in business with him?
924
00:43:29,023 --> 00:43:30,649
R. Kelly is not really
925
00:43:30,649 --> 00:43:33,110
an active recording artist
right now.
926
00:43:33,110 --> 00:43:35,112
He's not on the roster.
927
00:43:35,112 --> 00:43:36,905
RCA does not expect
928
00:43:36,905 --> 00:43:39,450
a new album from him this year
or next year.
929
00:43:39,450 --> 00:43:42,077
There are a lot of music
business institutions
930
00:43:42,077 --> 00:43:45,414
that we need to look at to say,
"Why are you continuing
931
00:43:45,414 --> 00:43:47,291
to support this
after all this time?"
932
00:43:47,291 --> 00:43:50,544
BURKE:
There were a series of events
933
00:43:50,544 --> 00:43:52,129
in the spring
that really amplified
934
00:43:52,129 --> 00:43:53,964
the work around R. Kelly.
935
00:43:53,964 --> 00:43:55,883
(audience cheering)
936
00:43:55,883 --> 00:43:57,718
We really haven't had
937
00:43:57,718 --> 00:43:59,887
a person in hip-hop
who just straight-out said,
938
00:43:59,887 --> 00:44:01,513
"He's guilty."
939
00:44:01,513 --> 00:44:03,932
So Vince Staples at Coachella
makes this statement
940
00:44:03,932 --> 00:44:07,394
about R. Kelly being a pedophile
and it goes viral.
941
00:44:07,394 --> 00:44:09,188
R. Kelly never went to jail and
he's a (bleep) child molester.
942
00:44:09,188 --> 00:44:11,648
-Okay, let's never
talk about R....
-He's a child molester.
943
00:44:11,648 --> 00:44:14,068
I'm a good person, all right?
R. Kelly is a piece of (bleep).
944
00:44:14,068 --> 00:44:16,445
So, if a piece of (bleep)
R. Kelly didn't go to jail
945
00:44:16,445 --> 00:44:18,197
for being a child molester
and peeing on people
946
00:44:18,197 --> 00:44:20,199
and having a human trafficking
ring in Atlanta,
947
00:44:20,199 --> 00:44:21,825
then I'll be all right.
948
00:44:21,825 --> 00:44:23,827
So we're seeing people now
starting to,
949
00:44:23,827 --> 00:44:26,455
to kind of get on board
and that tide is turning.
950
00:44:26,455 --> 00:44:29,583
Making a song with R. Kelly
was a mistake.
951
00:44:29,583 --> 00:44:33,796
♪ Turn that star up
in paradise... ♪
952
00:44:33,796 --> 00:44:38,592
I didn't value
the accusers' stories, like...
953
00:44:38,592 --> 00:44:41,136
-Hmm.
-Because they were
blackmailing him.
954
00:44:41,136 --> 00:44:42,721
I made a mistake.
955
00:44:42,721 --> 00:44:44,556
CHARLAMAGNE THA GOD:
I can't even exert
956
00:44:44,556 --> 00:44:47,393
any more energy telling y'all
how-how trash R. Kelly is.
957
00:44:47,393 --> 00:44:49,603
I've been saying R. Kelly
is trash for years.
958
00:44:49,603 --> 00:44:51,730
I-I think R. Kelly
is on everybody's, uh,
959
00:44:51,730 --> 00:44:53,607
permanently cancelled list.
960
00:44:53,607 --> 00:44:55,150
All of this is wrong.
961
00:44:55,150 --> 00:44:57,528
R. Kelly has a sickness.
(chuckles)
962
00:44:57,528 --> 00:44:59,780
Yes, I believe R. Kelly's
a dirtbag scumbag,
963
00:44:59,780 --> 00:45:01,782
and somebody
should press charges
964
00:45:01,782 --> 00:45:03,992
and try to prosecute again.
965
00:45:03,992 --> 00:45:07,079
Press charges, let's go!
Ride out!
966
00:45:07,079 --> 00:45:10,999
BURKE: Tom Joyner is
the Black America Radio Host.
967
00:45:10,999 --> 00:45:13,085
He has hundreds
968
00:45:13,085 --> 00:45:15,629
of syndicated radio stations
around the country.
969
00:45:15,629 --> 00:45:18,048
He had continued to play
his music and so,
970
00:45:18,048 --> 00:45:20,467
it felt to me like there was
an-- huge support
971
00:45:20,467 --> 00:45:22,928
from Tom Joyner
around R. Kelly.
972
00:45:22,928 --> 00:45:24,930
We need
the Tom Joyner Morning Show
973
00:45:24,930 --> 00:45:27,349
-to stop supporting R. Kelly.
-TOM JOYNER: You got it.
974
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:29,268
Yeah, I won't play
any more R. Kelly music.
975
00:45:29,268 --> 00:45:30,644
And I was actually shocked.
(chuckles)
976
00:45:30,644 --> 00:45:32,271
I was shocked.
977
00:45:32,271 --> 00:45:34,481
Pleasantly, you know,
it's clearly--
978
00:45:34,481 --> 00:45:36,483
but, it's-- that's a big deal.
979
00:45:36,483 --> 00:45:37,943
It felt like a victory.
980
00:45:37,943 --> 00:45:39,570
Radio host like Tom Joyner,
981
00:45:39,570 --> 00:45:41,321
um, say "We're not gonna
play him anymore,"
982
00:45:41,321 --> 00:45:44,908
and this is at the core of,
you know, the R. Kelly audience
983
00:45:44,908 --> 00:45:46,827
and the type of stations
that would play him.
984
00:45:46,827 --> 00:45:49,663
Um, this is highly significant.
985
00:45:49,663 --> 00:45:52,416
ANN POWERS: I think Mute R.
Kelly is a great example
986
00:45:52,416 --> 00:45:55,961
of the viral way that activism
is happening
987
00:45:55,961 --> 00:46:00,132
around Me Too and these issues
in the music industry.
988
00:46:02,342 --> 00:46:05,554
BURKE:
May of 2018,
989
00:46:05,554 --> 00:46:09,057
the Women of Color and Time's
Up got together and wrote
990
00:46:09,057 --> 00:46:10,851
this public letter
and it went viral.
991
00:46:10,851 --> 00:46:12,394
WENDY WILLIAMS:
There's a group
992
00:46:12,394 --> 00:46:17,232
of really powerful black women,
including: Shonda Rhimes,
993
00:46:17,232 --> 00:46:21,236
Eva Longoria, Ava DuVernay,
Kerry Washington, Viola Davis.
994
00:46:21,236 --> 00:46:23,322
They've all announced
this campaign
995
00:46:23,322 --> 00:46:24,740
that they're on-- behind:
996
00:46:24,740 --> 00:46:27,159
-Mute R. Kelly.
-(cheering)
997
00:46:27,159 --> 00:46:28,785
Other celebrities,
non-black celebrities,
998
00:46:28,785 --> 00:46:30,162
who also amplified it.
999
00:46:36,043 --> 00:46:37,628
So, that's huge.
1000
00:46:39,463 --> 00:46:41,089
ORONIKE: The Me Too movement
and Time's Up movement
1001
00:46:41,089 --> 00:46:43,008
coming behind
the Mute R. Kelly movement
1002
00:46:43,008 --> 00:46:46,261
have really kind of helped
push that, you know, forward
1003
00:46:46,261 --> 00:46:47,971
in the national consciousness.
1004
00:46:47,971 --> 00:46:50,182
It's one thing
for Oronike to say,
1005
00:46:50,182 --> 00:46:51,767
"You should stop listening
to R. Kelly."
1006
00:46:51,767 --> 00:46:54,436
It's another thing
for Ava DuVernay.
1007
00:46:54,436 --> 00:46:58,273
And if John Legend coming out,
and Questlove coming out?
1008
00:46:58,273 --> 00:47:00,734
Other men who have come out,
that makes people think
1009
00:47:00,734 --> 00:47:02,569
about it in a different
kind of a way.
1010
00:47:02,569 --> 00:47:04,613
And the response we got from it
was just overwhelming.
1011
00:47:04,613 --> 00:47:07,032
I mean, it just-- people
who had never heard of it,
1012
00:47:07,032 --> 00:47:09,159
they thought we started
this movement yesterday.
1013
00:47:09,159 --> 00:47:11,787
And as the movement has ex--
has expanded,
1014
00:47:11,787 --> 00:47:14,414
people have kind of dictated
where it's going.
1015
00:47:14,414 --> 00:47:17,876
They said to us, you know,
"Hey, what about streaming?
1016
00:47:17,876 --> 00:47:20,420
You guys should
go after streaming."
1017
00:47:20,420 --> 00:47:23,257
Streaming service Spotify
is removing R. Kelly's music
1018
00:47:23,257 --> 00:47:25,467
from its playlists
and recommendations.
1019
00:47:25,467 --> 00:47:28,095
It's just the latest in the
growing backlash against Kelly,
1020
00:47:28,095 --> 00:47:31,223
who's been accused of
sexual misconduct for decades.
1021
00:47:31,223 --> 00:47:32,391
ORONIKE:
Spotify saying, basically,
1022
00:47:32,391 --> 00:47:33,809
they're gonna, like,
downgrade him,
1023
00:47:33,809 --> 00:47:35,852
so they're no longer
going to put him
1024
00:47:35,852 --> 00:47:37,521
on curated playlists
or sponsored playlists,
1025
00:47:37,521 --> 00:47:38,730
is important.
1026
00:47:47,364 --> 00:47:49,783
NEWS ANCHOR:
R. Kelly apologizes to fans
1027
00:47:49,783 --> 00:47:52,869
after a Chicago concert
is abruptly cancelled.
1028
00:47:52,869 --> 00:47:56,164
Promoters opted to pull Kelly
out of the lineup
1029
00:47:56,164 --> 00:47:58,750
that included Xscap3
and Lyfe Jennings.
1030
00:47:58,750 --> 00:48:00,377
ORONIKE:
To get Chicago to say,
1031
00:48:00,377 --> 00:48:02,838
"We don't want you here.
You can't perform,"
1032
00:48:02,838 --> 00:48:05,257
was just an amazing victory.
I mean, I-I was floored
1033
00:48:05,257 --> 00:48:07,467
when I heard that they decided
to cancel that concert,
1034
00:48:07,467 --> 00:48:09,303
but it was so important.
1035
00:48:09,303 --> 00:48:10,637
Yo, what's up, y'all?
1036
00:48:10,637 --> 00:48:12,806
This ya boy, Kells,
man, and, uh...
1037
00:48:12,806 --> 00:48:15,017
I don't know why
they cancelled the show.
1038
00:48:15,017 --> 00:48:17,227
Um, I never heard
of a show being cancelled
1039
00:48:17,227 --> 00:48:19,021
because of rumors.
1040
00:48:19,021 --> 00:48:20,647
Don't put that on me. You know?
1041
00:48:20,647 --> 00:48:22,107
That ain't on me, all right?
1042
00:48:22,107 --> 00:48:24,026
The more we talk about this,
1043
00:48:24,026 --> 00:48:28,780
the more we see what R. Kelly
has been doing historically,
1044
00:48:28,780 --> 00:48:30,282
over and over and over again.
1045
00:48:30,282 --> 00:48:33,327
And then all these cases
that he's settled.
1046
00:48:33,327 --> 00:48:35,954
We have to keep pushing,
and keep pushing
1047
00:48:35,954 --> 00:48:39,708
till we get some indictments,
you know? Keep pushing.
1048
00:48:39,708 --> 00:48:42,586
For some reason, he has--
he is-- he's Teflon.
1049
00:48:42,586 --> 00:48:44,588
And I don't get that.
1050
00:48:44,588 --> 00:48:46,798
I don't get
why the justice system
1051
00:48:46,798 --> 00:48:49,760
can't bring him to justice.
1052
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,221
LEGEND:
He is a serial abuser
1053
00:48:53,221 --> 00:48:56,516
that has, uh, gotten away
with it for far too long.
1054
00:48:56,516 --> 00:48:58,935
And I think time's up
for R. Kelly.
1055
00:48:58,935 --> 00:49:01,521
Um, being accepted
by the entertainment industry
1056
00:49:01,521 --> 00:49:04,149
a-and just kind of
allowed to, uh,
1057
00:49:04,149 --> 00:49:06,610
make money and be treated
as though he didn't do
1058
00:49:06,610 --> 00:49:10,447
all these terrible things,
um, time's up for that.
1059
00:49:10,447 --> 00:49:12,366
WOMAN:
Mute R. Kelly!
1060
00:49:12,366 --> 00:49:13,659
PROTESTERS:
Mute R. Kelly!
1061
00:49:25,879 --> 00:49:29,007
ANGELO: Not having
any contact with Azriel,
1062
00:49:29,007 --> 00:49:30,801
we started growing suspicious.
1063
00:49:30,801 --> 00:49:34,221
We started investigating,
and once we found out
1064
00:49:34,221 --> 00:49:37,599
her iCloud was still
under her mother name,
1065
00:49:37,599 --> 00:49:41,186
we went into it and looked at
text messages,
1066
00:49:41,186 --> 00:49:43,563
and we found some really
disturbing text messages
1067
00:49:43,563 --> 00:49:45,273
between them.
1068
00:49:45,273 --> 00:49:50,696
They had sex in Florida
that first time they met.
1069
00:49:50,696 --> 00:49:53,573
In, uh, 2015,
when she was 17 years old.
1070
00:49:56,952 --> 00:50:00,497
It makes me feel,
as a father...
1071
00:50:00,497 --> 00:50:03,291
less than a man,
if that makes sense.
1072
00:50:06,753 --> 00:50:10,590
A piece of me seemed
to die off.
1073
00:50:10,590 --> 00:50:13,593
I don't know anything about
the Azriel that's 20 now.
1074
00:50:16,722 --> 00:50:19,933
My daughter's no different
than the Savages.
1075
00:50:19,933 --> 00:50:22,185
I think the TMZ article
1076
00:50:22,185 --> 00:50:24,479
with Joy Savage was a statement
1077
00:50:24,479 --> 00:50:27,941
to every mother and every
father that has a daughter.
1078
00:50:27,941 --> 00:50:29,776
That's a predator
that's telling y'all,
1079
00:50:29,776 --> 00:50:32,404
"I don't care what y'all
think about me.
1080
00:50:32,404 --> 00:50:34,656
"I'm-a show you,
I'm-a get these girls to do
1081
00:50:34,656 --> 00:50:37,242
what I want 'em to do,
when I want 'em to do."
1082
00:50:37,242 --> 00:50:41,788
And if anybody need education,
go look at some pimp movies.
1083
00:50:41,788 --> 00:50:45,876
Go look at Superfly and
all them old '60s movies.
1084
00:50:45,876 --> 00:50:49,755
R. Kelly blueprint is the same
as a pimp.
1085
00:50:49,755 --> 00:50:50,922
And what they doing is
showing you,
1086
00:50:50,922 --> 00:50:52,591
"I don't care how much you cry,
1087
00:50:52,591 --> 00:50:54,050
'I want my daughter,
I want my daughter!'"
1088
00:50:54,050 --> 00:50:55,385
Your daughter going to be
1089
00:50:55,385 --> 00:50:57,012
whatever he want her to be
1090
00:50:57,012 --> 00:51:00,682
until he finish with her
and give her back.
1091
00:51:00,682 --> 00:51:03,310
And I'm not putting down
any other father,
1092
00:51:03,310 --> 00:51:05,479
but it's a little different
1093
00:51:05,479 --> 00:51:06,897
when he dealing with me.
1094
00:51:06,897 --> 00:51:10,025
We not going to do
"Hey" to TMZ,
1095
00:51:10,025 --> 00:51:11,318
the BuzzFeed back and forth.
1096
00:51:11,318 --> 00:51:12,944
We're not going to play
that game.
1097
00:51:26,458 --> 00:51:29,419
ALICE:
Azriel!
1098
00:51:29,419 --> 00:51:31,421
Az!
1099
00:51:33,757 --> 00:51:36,301
Azriel, open the door!
1100
00:51:37,427 --> 00:51:40,096
Azzy.
1101
00:51:42,307 --> 00:51:47,229
I know she ain't going to open
that mother(bleep) studio door.
1102
00:51:47,229 --> 00:51:49,606
CAMERAMAN:
How you know she in there?
1103
00:51:49,606 --> 00:51:52,108
-ALICE: Yeah, how you doing?
-We have word that she here.
1104
00:51:52,108 --> 00:51:53,652
ALICE:
I need to do a welfare check.
1105
00:51:53,652 --> 00:51:56,822
She may be harmed or something,
but I need to see
1106
00:51:56,822 --> 00:51:58,073
if my daughter's okay.
1107
00:51:58,073 --> 00:51:59,407
I have not seen her
in three years.
1108
00:52:02,244 --> 00:52:03,995
ALICE:
Dominique, she escaped,
1109
00:52:03,995 --> 00:52:05,705
and she's home
with her mom now.
1110
00:52:05,705 --> 00:52:10,168
And she was the one that told us
that Azriel actually is--
1111
00:52:10,168 --> 00:52:12,504
was left in Chicago,
up here in a studio.
1112
00:52:12,504 --> 00:52:16,341
I need to get in and make sure
that she's okay.
1113
00:52:16,341 --> 00:52:17,968
All right, thank you.
1114
00:52:17,968 --> 00:52:20,220
She basically said
that Azriel has been
1115
00:52:20,220 --> 00:52:22,305
wanting to leave for a while,
and that, uh,
1116
00:52:22,305 --> 00:52:24,391
she actually escaped before,
and they found her
1117
00:52:24,391 --> 00:52:25,642
running down the street
or something.
1118
00:52:25,642 --> 00:52:27,435
And so they brought her back.
1119
00:52:27,435 --> 00:52:29,688
You know, that's why she don't
really have any--
1120
00:52:29,688 --> 00:52:33,567
I guess she don't get to be
around nobody else anymore.
1121
00:52:33,567 --> 00:52:34,734
So, I don't know.
1122
00:52:36,695 --> 00:52:39,239
I'm Alice Clary. I'm the one
who placed the call.
1123
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,491
Our daughter,
we got a tip that she's here
1124
00:52:41,491 --> 00:52:44,411
and she's trying to leave, so
we need to do a wellness check.
1125
00:52:47,706 --> 00:52:49,416
ALICE: We think here.
We don't know.
1126
00:52:49,416 --> 00:52:51,376
POLICE OFFICER:
She didn't say anything?
1127
00:52:51,376 --> 00:52:53,545
ALICE: She's been here with him
for three years.
1128
00:52:53,545 --> 00:52:56,381
We have not seen our daughter
in three years.
1129
00:52:59,175 --> 00:53:00,510
ALICE:
Mm-hmm.
1130
00:53:04,347 --> 00:53:06,766
The police said there was
nothing they can do
1131
00:53:06,766 --> 00:53:10,061
as a well check if nobody's
willing to open the door.
1132
00:53:10,061 --> 00:53:12,564
So... at this point we just
got to wait and see
1133
00:53:12,564 --> 00:53:14,316
if somebody can open the door.
1134
00:53:14,316 --> 00:53:16,151
I'm going to stay here all
night, I'm not leaving.
1135
00:53:16,151 --> 00:53:18,486
ANGELO:
Hey!
1136
00:53:19,863 --> 00:53:21,865
(rock clatters)
1137
00:53:23,366 --> 00:53:25,160
ALICE:
At this point,
1138
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:29,372
if you are our daughter, then
come back outside or something.
1139
00:53:29,372 --> 00:53:31,833
Talk to us or whatever.
Let us know something.
1140
00:53:31,833 --> 00:53:33,543
ANGELO:
Hey!
1141
00:53:33,543 --> 00:53:35,712
-ALICE (screams):
Open the door!
-ANGELO: Hey!
1142
00:53:35,712 --> 00:53:37,631
CAMERAMAN: (bleep) (bleep)
Stop, stop, stop.
1143
00:53:37,631 --> 00:53:40,342
ALICE: Clearly, someone is
in the building.
1144
00:53:40,342 --> 00:53:42,302
We just watched a young lady
come up,
1145
00:53:42,302 --> 00:53:44,262
turn the lights off, close the
blinds and everything, so...
1146
00:53:44,262 --> 00:53:45,847
PRODUCER:
Mmm...
1147
00:53:45,847 --> 00:53:47,349
But we couldn't tell.
It kind of looked like
1148
00:53:47,349 --> 00:53:48,350
it could have been her,
1149
00:53:48,350 --> 00:53:49,476
but she did it so quick.
1150
00:53:49,476 --> 00:53:50,852
PRODUCER:
Mm-hmm.
1151
00:53:50,852 --> 00:53:52,479
ALICE:
We just seen a silo-- like,
1152
00:53:52,479 --> 00:53:54,105
you know, her do it,
like, her arm--
1153
00:53:54,105 --> 00:53:56,274
I don't know.
1154
00:53:56,274 --> 00:53:57,567
(Angelo pleading)
1155
00:54:06,534 --> 00:54:08,745
This a bad place
for any parent to be.
1156
00:54:08,745 --> 00:54:10,622
You know,
outside of a building...
1157
00:54:10,622 --> 00:54:12,165
ALICE:
You don't know everything!
1158
00:54:12,165 --> 00:54:15,460
ANGELO: ...that your child may
be in, or may not be in.
1159
00:54:15,460 --> 00:54:17,253
This might as well be a prison.
1160
00:54:21,174 --> 00:54:24,219
ALICE: I need to see that that
young girl is not my daughter.
1161
00:54:24,219 --> 00:54:26,388
ANGELO: We want to make sure
it ain't her.
1162
00:54:26,388 --> 00:54:29,224
ALICE: This is the only lead
we have had in three years.
1163
00:54:29,224 --> 00:54:30,767
I am desperate at this point.
1164
00:54:30,767 --> 00:54:32,519
I don't want nothing
from none of them.
1165
00:54:32,519 --> 00:54:35,146
They play a lot games
with this man, that's on them.
1166
00:54:35,146 --> 00:54:36,606
If they want to protect
a (bleep) pedophile,
1167
00:54:36,606 --> 00:54:38,066
that's on them, that's cool.
1168
00:54:38,066 --> 00:54:40,026
I just need to know
if my daughter is in there.
1169
00:54:40,026 --> 00:54:43,238
If she is of age and she says
no, that's fine, I will leave.
1170
00:54:43,238 --> 00:54:45,407
I just need to see
if that is her.
1171
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,508
I don't know.
1172
00:55:03,508 --> 00:55:06,970
At this point... uh...
1173
00:55:19,107 --> 00:55:22,610
d a very
1174
00:55:22,610 --> 00:55:24,404
interesting conversation
with him
1175
00:55:24,404 --> 00:55:27,365
that lasted for about two hours
last spring.
1176
00:55:27,365 --> 00:55:28,533
All of a sudden,
the phone rings.
1177
00:55:28,533 --> 00:55:30,660
And the conversation
that I had with him,
1178
00:55:30,660 --> 00:55:32,370
I promised him confidentiality.
1179
00:55:32,370 --> 00:55:34,289
He told me I could
ask him anything.
1180
00:55:34,289 --> 00:55:37,709
And I asked him everything.
1181
00:55:37,709 --> 00:55:41,004
And he answered... everything.
1182
00:55:41,004 --> 00:55:44,424
I don't know why he wanted
to talk to me.
1183
00:55:44,424 --> 00:55:47,594
It was almost like he wanted
to purge or something.
1184
00:55:47,594 --> 00:55:49,804
He didn't tell me
he likes young girls.
1185
00:55:49,804 --> 00:55:53,516
He told me he likes
petite women.
1186
00:55:53,516 --> 00:55:56,936
You know, a particular height
and size.
1187
00:55:56,936 --> 00:56:00,482
He didn't say he likes young
girls, but the court records--
1188
00:56:00,482 --> 00:56:03,526
you know, the allegations--
speak for themselves.
1189
00:56:03,526 --> 00:56:06,654
He doesn't have to say it.
1190
00:56:06,654 --> 00:56:08,531
And when we finished having
our conversation,
1191
00:56:08,531 --> 00:56:10,617
the "I Admit" song came out.
1192
00:56:10,617 --> 00:56:14,662
Singer R. Kelly released
a new 19-minute song today
1193
00:56:14,662 --> 00:56:17,457
that addresses several sexual
abuse allegations against him.
1194
00:56:17,457 --> 00:56:22,087
The song is titled "I Admit"
and is posted to SoundCloud.
1195
00:56:22,087 --> 00:56:24,714
♪ I admit it, I did-- did it ♪
1196
00:56:24,714 --> 00:56:26,841
♪ ♪
1197
00:56:34,432 --> 00:56:37,352
Like a lot of his music, it's
very much telling on himself.
1198
00:56:37,352 --> 00:56:39,354
♪ ♪
1199
00:56:42,107 --> 00:56:44,234
♪ I admit, I admit, I admit. ♪
1200
00:56:44,234 --> 00:56:46,945
Having been around music culture
my whole life,
1201
00:56:46,945 --> 00:56:49,572
in the past, R. Kelly's always
been able to make
1202
00:56:49,572 --> 00:56:52,033
his outrageousness
into a story that sells.
1203
00:56:52,033 --> 00:56:54,160
So, it was just
par for the course
1204
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:57,205
when he released "I Admit."
1205
00:56:57,205 --> 00:57:00,125
It's the dumbest damn 19 minutes
in the universe.
1206
00:57:00,125 --> 00:57:01,751
He doesn't admit anything,
1207
00:57:01,751 --> 00:57:04,212
he just proves that
he's a narcissist.
1208
00:57:04,212 --> 00:57:06,548
He proves that
he's gaslighting.
1209
00:57:06,548 --> 00:57:09,592
He's proving that he's never
going to take responsibility
1210
00:57:09,592 --> 00:57:11,886
for his actions.
1211
00:57:11,886 --> 00:57:14,889
GEORGE: It's crazy.
Throughout his music,
1212
00:57:14,889 --> 00:57:18,101
he's been remarkably frank
about his predilections...
1213
00:57:18,101 --> 00:57:19,936
(crowd shouting)
1214
00:57:19,936 --> 00:57:23,064
...about his freakiness.
1215
00:57:23,064 --> 00:57:25,191
About levels of control, even.
They're in there.
1216
00:57:25,191 --> 00:57:28,444
So, I mean,
it's not like he's hidden.
1217
00:57:28,444 --> 00:57:31,072
But we have been afraid to look.
1218
00:57:32,574 --> 00:57:35,577
NORCOTT:
Somebody will work hard to have
1219
00:57:35,577 --> 00:57:37,787
a very polished, very popular
1220
00:57:37,787 --> 00:57:41,374
persona in the public
so that when somebody
1221
00:57:41,374 --> 00:57:43,835
will make these accusations,
1222
00:57:43,835 --> 00:57:46,963
and they'll be able to say,
"Does that even sound like me?
1223
00:57:46,963 --> 00:57:49,048
"Right? Like that-- I would--
I would never do that.
1224
00:57:49,048 --> 00:57:51,634
"Why would I risk all of this,
all that I have,
1225
00:57:51,634 --> 00:57:53,761
my-- your perception of me
for that?"
1226
00:57:53,761 --> 00:57:58,516
KATHY CHANEY: I really don't
think that R. Kelly knows who
1227
00:57:58,516 --> 00:58:00,894
Robert Sylvester Kelly is.
1228
00:58:00,894 --> 00:58:04,105
I think he may be struggling
with, "Who am I really?
1229
00:58:04,105 --> 00:58:05,815
Who is this person
that I've become?"
1230
00:58:05,815 --> 00:58:08,276
LEGEND: R. Kelly has brought
so much pain
1231
00:58:08,276 --> 00:58:09,611
to so many people.
1232
00:58:09,611 --> 00:58:12,572
And he should be ashamed
of himself.
1233
00:58:12,572 --> 00:58:15,074
And, um, I hope there is
some justice
1234
00:58:15,074 --> 00:58:17,785
done to him at some point.
1235
00:58:17,785 --> 00:58:19,787
♪ ♪
1236
00:58:25,210 --> 00:58:26,836
PRODUCER: If R. Kelly was
watching right now,
1237
00:58:26,836 --> 00:58:29,214
what would you want to say
to him directly?
1238
00:58:29,214 --> 00:58:32,008
R. Kelly, if you watching this,
1239
00:58:32,008 --> 00:58:34,427
I just want to hear
my daughter voice.
1240
00:58:34,427 --> 00:58:38,056
You're keeping her from
not just me and my wife,
1241
00:58:38,056 --> 00:58:39,557
her whole entire family.
1242
00:58:39,557 --> 00:58:42,477
If I ever come across you again,
1243
00:58:42,477 --> 00:58:44,229
it's on and popping.
1244
00:58:44,229 --> 00:58:45,939
That's your head.
1245
00:58:45,939 --> 00:58:47,815
ANGELO: Once she start,
I'm right beside her.
1246
00:58:47,815 --> 00:58:49,609
And I don't mind going to jail.
1247
00:58:49,609 --> 00:58:52,445
I've been there before,
and I'll go there back again.
1248
00:58:52,445 --> 00:58:56,783
Take responsibility for
the lives that you've destroyed.
1249
00:58:56,783 --> 00:58:59,744
JOVANTE: You are not exempt.
You are not special.
1250
00:58:59,744 --> 00:59:03,498
You need to see the effects
of your behavior.
1251
00:59:03,498 --> 00:59:06,209
(crying):
Quit-- Quit hurting people.
1252
00:59:06,209 --> 00:59:09,128
Quit hurting these girls.
1253
00:59:09,128 --> 00:59:10,672
LIZZETTE:
Stop seeking young women
1254
00:59:10,672 --> 00:59:12,507
to fulfill
your sexual deviancy.
1255
00:59:12,507 --> 00:59:15,551
This can't keep going on.
1256
00:59:15,551 --> 00:59:18,054
PRODUCER: What do you think
Robert's doing right now?
1257
00:59:18,054 --> 00:59:23,059
I hope Robert is trying
to get his sense together.
1258
00:59:29,565 --> 00:59:33,695
Whatever is in the dark
will come to light.
1259
00:59:33,695 --> 00:59:37,365
And until you do right
by all of them girls...
1260
00:59:39,075 --> 00:59:44,122
...nothing is going
to come good to you.
1261
00:59:44,122 --> 00:59:46,499
Mark my word.
1262
01:00:11,232 --> 01:00:13,234
(woman vocalizing)
1263
01:00:13,234 --> 01:00:14,944
♪ ♪
1264
01:00:34,589 --> 01:00:36,924
I'm just really happy that
I can speak out,
1265
01:00:36,924 --> 01:00:38,343
and I don't have to
1266
01:00:38,343 --> 01:00:40,636
accept his money for my silence.
1267
01:00:40,636 --> 01:00:42,680
He's no longer controlling me.
1268
01:00:43,681 --> 01:00:45,683
♪ ♪
1269
01:00:57,653 --> 01:00:59,655
♪ We are ready ♪
1270
01:00:59,655 --> 01:01:03,201
♪ If you didn't know... ♪
1271
01:01:03,201 --> 01:01:05,286
Even though it was hard--
it's even hard
1272
01:01:05,286 --> 01:01:07,705
reliving it and talking
about it--
1273
01:01:07,705 --> 01:01:10,500
I'm proud of telling my story.
1274
01:01:10,500 --> 01:01:13,086
It's a testimony
to help other people.
1275
01:01:15,755 --> 01:01:18,132
♪ We'll be right here ♪
1276
01:01:18,132 --> 01:01:20,760
-♪ Ready ♪
-♪ Oh, oh, oh ♪
1277
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:23,471
♪ Ready, oh, oh ♪
1278
01:01:23,471 --> 01:01:27,725
-♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah ♪
-♪ Oh, oh, oh... ♪
1279
01:01:31,979 --> 01:01:35,108
The reason why
I consider myself a survivor:
1280
01:01:35,108 --> 01:01:37,318
because I did not let this
break me down.
1281
01:01:37,318 --> 01:01:41,072
I could have easily let this
situation-- But I didn't.
1282
01:01:41,072 --> 01:01:43,074
♪ ♪
1283
01:02:07,515 --> 01:02:09,851
♪ We are ready ♪
1284
01:02:09,851 --> 01:02:12,353
♪ Been going on too long ♪
1285
01:02:12,353 --> 01:02:14,647
♪ We are ready ♪
1286
01:02:14,647 --> 01:02:16,732
♪ And we've had about enough ♪
1287
01:02:16,732 --> 01:02:19,527
♪ Oh, we are ready ♪
1288
01:02:19,527 --> 01:02:23,281
♪ Won't be silent no more... ♪
1289
01:02:23,281 --> 01:02:24,949
I don't like to claim
a victim anymore.
1290
01:02:24,949 --> 01:02:27,201
I w-- I was a victim.
1291
01:02:27,201 --> 01:02:29,036
PRODUCER:
Are you a survivor?
1292
01:02:29,036 --> 01:02:33,166
I am a survivor.
(chuckles)
1293
01:02:33,166 --> 01:02:35,710
-♪ Ready ♪
-♪ Oh, oh, oh ♪
1294
01:02:35,710 --> 01:02:38,171
♪ Ready... ♪
1295
01:02:50,057 --> 01:02:52,143
♪ Ooh ♪
1296
01:02:52,143 --> 01:02:55,480
♪ But on this crazy obstacle
course I've been on ♪
1297
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:58,649
♪ I mean, now, more than ever ♪
1298
01:02:58,649 --> 01:02:59,901
♪ I'm ready ♪
1299
01:02:59,901 --> 01:03:03,196
♪ We are ready ♪
1300
01:03:03,196 --> 01:03:07,408
♪ We'll be right here, ready. ♪