1 00:00:14,639 --> 00:00:17,183 My name is Jerhonda Pace, 2 00:00:17,183 --> 00:00:19,018 and I was with Rob for six months 3 00:00:19,018 --> 00:00:21,229 when I was 16 years old. 4 00:00:21,229 --> 00:00:23,064 KANIKA "KITTI" JONES: My name is Kitti Jones, 5 00:00:23,064 --> 00:00:26,901 and I was with R. Kelly for two and a half years. 6 00:00:26,901 --> 00:00:28,737 ALICE: Our daughter Azriel Clary 7 00:00:28,737 --> 00:00:32,157 has been with R. Kelly about three years now. 8 00:00:32,157 --> 00:00:34,367 MICHELLE: My name is Michelle W. Kramer. 9 00:00:34,367 --> 00:00:38,872 My daughter Dominique has been in his life for-- 10 00:00:38,872 --> 00:00:41,166 off and on-- for nine years. 11 00:00:42,876 --> 00:00:44,878 ♪ ♪ 12 00:00:50,633 --> 00:00:52,635 (fans cheering) 13 00:01:09,861 --> 00:01:12,322 -(crowd cheering) -REPORTER: The jury is deliberating 14 00:01:12,322 --> 00:01:14,783 in R. Kelly's child pornography case. 15 00:01:14,783 --> 00:01:16,242 KIM JANSSEN: Everyone in the courtroom thought 16 00:01:16,242 --> 00:01:17,535 he was gonna be found guilty. 17 00:01:17,535 --> 00:01:19,370 CRAIG WILLIAMS: Rob was very scared 18 00:01:19,370 --> 00:01:20,705 of going to jail. 19 00:01:20,705 --> 00:01:23,458 KATHY CHANEY: When they said "Not guilty," 20 00:01:23,458 --> 00:01:26,127 every reporter's face was like... 21 00:01:26,127 --> 00:01:28,755 ANDREA KELLY: Robert, you know the turmoil you brought 22 00:01:28,755 --> 00:01:30,840 into my kids' life, and for that, 23 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:32,717 you can go to hell. 24 00:01:32,717 --> 00:01:34,719 JERHONDA: After Robert's trial, 25 00:01:34,719 --> 00:01:36,513 his friend sent me a message 26 00:01:36,513 --> 00:01:38,598 and invited me to R. Kelly's party. 27 00:01:38,598 --> 00:01:41,309 I didn't tell anyone I was going to his house. 28 00:01:41,309 --> 00:01:42,811 And I said, "I'm a virgin," 29 00:01:42,811 --> 00:01:44,646 and he said, "Well, that's perfect." 30 00:01:44,646 --> 00:01:48,358 Dominique and I had met on MySpace 31 00:01:48,358 --> 00:01:50,318 based on liking R. Kelly. 32 00:01:50,318 --> 00:01:52,362 MICHELLE: She had a girlfriend that called me and said, 33 00:01:52,362 --> 00:01:54,614 "Nikka has been seeing R. Kelly." 34 00:01:54,614 --> 00:01:56,324 I said, "Give me his phone number." 35 00:01:56,324 --> 00:01:58,409 I said, "R. Kelly, this is Michelle Kramer. 36 00:01:58,409 --> 00:02:00,620 Stay the (bleep) away from my daughter." 37 00:02:08,378 --> 00:02:11,464 ANN POWERS: At that time, R. Kelly wasn't at the top 38 00:02:11,464 --> 00:02:12,882 of his game commercially, 39 00:02:12,882 --> 00:02:14,384 but he still held a place 40 00:02:14,384 --> 00:02:15,844 in the heart of people 41 00:02:15,844 --> 00:02:17,303 in the media. 42 00:02:17,303 --> 00:02:19,848 Certainly, fans. 43 00:02:19,848 --> 00:02:22,892 And he was sort of a, you know, a cult figure. 44 00:02:22,892 --> 00:02:26,521 And for better or worse, his transgressions, 45 00:02:26,521 --> 00:02:29,774 in some ways, solidified that status. 46 00:02:29,774 --> 00:02:33,361 R. Kelly has asked a lot of us to forget about 47 00:02:33,361 --> 00:02:37,073 Aaliyah, forget about the sex tape, 48 00:02:37,073 --> 00:02:38,992 forget about the trial. 49 00:02:38,992 --> 00:02:40,618 R. Kelly is innocent. 50 00:02:40,618 --> 00:02:43,663 NEWS ANCHOR: R. Kelly was arrested in Polk back in 2002 51 00:02:43,663 --> 00:02:45,456 on child porn charges, though he was later acquitted. 52 00:02:45,456 --> 00:02:47,667 FORMER EMPLOYEE (distorted): It made him, you know, 53 00:02:47,667 --> 00:02:50,795 feel that he can continue to get away with those type of acts. 54 00:03:06,311 --> 00:03:07,604 My only daughter. 55 00:03:07,604 --> 00:03:09,689 I thought she was fine. 56 00:03:09,689 --> 00:03:11,441 She went on prom. She got a job. 57 00:03:11,441 --> 00:03:14,277 She was doing what she was supposed to do as a teenager, 58 00:03:14,277 --> 00:03:16,154 and, um, we end up moving 59 00:03:16,154 --> 00:03:17,614 to the north side of Chicago. 60 00:03:19,449 --> 00:03:22,118 I went to Kaplan College for, um, medical billing and coding, 61 00:03:22,118 --> 00:03:25,288 and she went for dental assistant. 62 00:03:25,288 --> 00:03:28,958 She was doing her own thing, and then all of a sudden, 63 00:03:28,958 --> 00:03:33,212 she came home and said, 64 00:03:33,212 --> 00:03:34,672 "I haven't been telling you the truth." 65 00:03:34,672 --> 00:03:37,216 And I said, "What you mean?" 66 00:03:37,216 --> 00:03:38,676 "I had still been seeing him. 67 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:44,223 And he asked me to move to Atlanta." 68 00:03:44,223 --> 00:03:45,642 Now at this time, 69 00:03:45,642 --> 00:03:49,103 she about 21, 22. 70 00:03:49,103 --> 00:03:51,356 What can I do? She's grown. 71 00:03:51,356 --> 00:03:55,443 I didn't want to lose my daughter to him. 72 00:03:55,443 --> 00:03:58,821 I had to make the hardest choice: 73 00:03:58,821 --> 00:04:01,574 Go against her... 74 00:04:01,574 --> 00:04:04,619 or give her my blessing. 75 00:04:04,619 --> 00:04:07,872 All I could do was pray and hope one day 76 00:04:07,872 --> 00:04:11,751 that she just wake up and just come home. 77 00:04:22,303 --> 00:04:26,182 I was with R. Kelly for six months when I was 16 years old. 78 00:04:26,182 --> 00:04:29,310 I didn't see my friend Dominique in the house, 79 00:04:29,310 --> 00:04:31,896 but I knew Dominique was there because me and her 80 00:04:31,896 --> 00:04:33,606 used to always try to meet up in the house 81 00:04:33,606 --> 00:04:34,816 and it never worked out. 82 00:04:34,816 --> 00:04:37,902 Rob always kept us separated. 83 00:04:39,237 --> 00:04:40,905 I would be isolated. 84 00:04:40,905 --> 00:04:42,865 I felt like a prisoner. 85 00:04:42,865 --> 00:04:47,453 It's, like, I didn't have anyone to, um, talk to. It was just me. 86 00:04:47,453 --> 00:04:49,914 I went into a depression. 87 00:04:49,914 --> 00:04:51,290 I was mentally drained 88 00:04:51,290 --> 00:04:53,376 'cause he would break me down, then build me up, 89 00:04:53,376 --> 00:04:54,836 then make me feel like (bleep) again, 90 00:04:54,836 --> 00:04:56,796 and do it all over again. 91 00:04:56,796 --> 00:04:59,924 So it was-- He would really manipulate my mind. 92 00:05:01,801 --> 00:05:05,221 The breaking point for me was when 93 00:05:05,221 --> 00:05:08,057 Rob slapped me and he choked me until I blacked out. 94 00:05:10,101 --> 00:05:12,145 He was about six feet tall, 95 00:05:12,145 --> 00:05:13,688 and I'm only five-one and a half, 96 00:05:13,688 --> 00:05:17,150 and he lift me up and I was, like, eye level with him, 97 00:05:17,150 --> 00:05:19,485 and then I remember just blacking out 98 00:05:19,485 --> 00:05:21,320 and I-I hit the floor. 99 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:25,283 That was the straw that broke the camel's back, 100 00:05:25,283 --> 00:05:27,577 and that's why I had to walk away. 101 00:05:27,577 --> 00:05:30,830 After that incident happened between us, 102 00:05:30,830 --> 00:05:32,623 I powered my phone off and I left, 103 00:05:32,623 --> 00:05:33,875 and I never looked back. 104 00:05:40,757 --> 00:05:43,593 Knowing that Dominique is still in the house, 105 00:05:43,593 --> 00:05:45,720 it's very painful to know that she's still 106 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,139 experiencing all of those things 107 00:05:48,139 --> 00:05:49,807 that she was experiencing when I was there. 108 00:05:49,807 --> 00:05:51,976 She just deserves better, 109 00:05:51,976 --> 00:05:55,855 and I don't want her to be there anymore. 110 00:05:55,855 --> 00:05:58,232 She should have a better life. 111 00:06:05,239 --> 00:06:08,493 I do know of someone who tried to help 112 00:06:08,493 --> 00:06:11,496 one girl in particular get out of the house. 113 00:06:14,165 --> 00:06:16,918 There was a staff member who tried to help Dominique. 114 00:06:18,961 --> 00:06:22,965 It was a situation where Dominique expressed 115 00:06:22,965 --> 00:06:24,550 how she was being mistreated. 116 00:06:24,550 --> 00:06:26,135 To Robert, 117 00:06:26,135 --> 00:06:28,971 Dominique is, like, the rebellious one. 118 00:06:28,971 --> 00:06:31,516 She stays in trouble to him. 119 00:06:31,516 --> 00:06:35,311 She's a little tomboyish, and Robert plays on that. 120 00:06:35,311 --> 00:06:38,314 So he has molded her 121 00:06:38,314 --> 00:06:42,652 into the boy he wants her to be. 122 00:06:42,652 --> 00:06:45,154 So he's had her shave all her hair off, 123 00:06:45,154 --> 00:06:47,281 and she carries herself like a boy. 124 00:06:47,281 --> 00:06:50,034 He's even had her dress in boy clothes 125 00:06:50,034 --> 00:06:53,121 and paint the-the beard and the mustache on 126 00:06:53,121 --> 00:06:56,457 to look like a boy. 127 00:06:56,457 --> 00:06:59,085 So he treats her like his boy toy. 128 00:07:07,927 --> 00:07:09,720 My name is Timothy Savage. 129 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:13,307 My daughter was off in college at the time. 130 00:07:13,307 --> 00:07:14,684 I haven't seen her since. 131 00:07:14,684 --> 00:07:16,435 My daughter's severely brainwashed. 132 00:07:16,435 --> 00:07:19,647 She's brainwashed to the point where, um, 133 00:07:19,647 --> 00:07:24,110 she says anything that he asks her to say. 134 00:07:24,110 --> 00:07:28,364 Uh, she-she's not the same Joycelyn that we knew. 135 00:07:28,364 --> 00:07:31,826 Stockholm syndrome, that's what my daughter has right now. 136 00:07:39,542 --> 00:07:41,419 We both was blindsided. 137 00:07:41,419 --> 00:07:43,171 We didn't know it, but the storm was coming. 138 00:07:43,171 --> 00:07:45,089 It was never for my daughter 139 00:07:45,089 --> 00:07:47,258 to-to get in touch with this man, not one time, 140 00:07:47,258 --> 00:07:49,510 without me or my wife being present. 141 00:07:54,599 --> 00:07:57,894 Joycelyn was a-- She was kind of shy, 142 00:07:57,894 --> 00:08:01,105 you know, she was a loner, she liked to stay to herself. 143 00:08:01,105 --> 00:08:03,566 But when it came on to music or modeling, 144 00:08:03,566 --> 00:08:06,277 she turned on like a flash, like a butterfly. 145 00:08:06,277 --> 00:08:09,780 At the early ages of life, she was always wanting to do this. 146 00:08:09,780 --> 00:08:11,324 One night, I got off from wor, 147 00:08:11,324 --> 00:08:13,492 she came downstairs and she was singing. 148 00:08:13,492 --> 00:08:15,494 I said, "Is that Joycelyn?" 149 00:08:15,494 --> 00:08:17,622 And I said, "She could sing." 150 00:08:17,622 --> 00:08:20,416 This was probably about ten years old. 151 00:08:25,171 --> 00:08:28,049 JONJELYN: When we met Mr. Kelly, we went in strictly 152 00:08:28,049 --> 00:08:29,967 for a professional relationship. 153 00:08:29,967 --> 00:08:32,136 I think that R. Kelly could've helped 154 00:08:32,136 --> 00:08:34,180 put my daughter in the right position 155 00:08:34,180 --> 00:08:35,806 to help her make her a star 156 00:08:35,806 --> 00:08:37,934 because he had a lot of influences 157 00:08:37,934 --> 00:08:40,186 with the record labels and, uh, he's created 158 00:08:40,186 --> 00:08:42,855 big hits with a lot of people. 159 00:08:42,855 --> 00:08:46,150 I think it was back in 2008, 160 00:08:46,150 --> 00:08:48,444 we did hear some type of, you know, 161 00:08:48,444 --> 00:08:51,906 allegations that he had, uh, a trial that was going on, 162 00:08:51,906 --> 00:08:55,034 but, uh, the courts found him not guilty at that time, 163 00:08:55,034 --> 00:08:56,535 so we didn't think nothing else of it. 164 00:09:07,672 --> 00:09:10,925 JONJELYN: December, fall of 2016, 165 00:09:10,925 --> 00:09:12,843 she had told us that 166 00:09:12,843 --> 00:09:15,346 she studied, that she, you know, passed all her exams, 167 00:09:15,346 --> 00:09:18,641 and she was looking forward to the next semester. 168 00:09:18,641 --> 00:09:21,602 TIMOTHY: We felt like we started to disconnect 169 00:09:21,602 --> 00:09:24,188 in, uh, 2016, 170 00:09:24,188 --> 00:09:26,857 late fall. 171 00:09:26,857 --> 00:09:30,069 I was going to, um, register Joycelyn 172 00:09:30,069 --> 00:09:34,365 for the, uh, next semester, and I needed to talk to her. 173 00:09:34,365 --> 00:09:37,493 JONJELYN: I wasn't able to get in touch with my daughter 174 00:09:37,493 --> 00:09:38,911 for three days straight, 175 00:09:38,911 --> 00:09:40,830 but I was able to track down her-- 176 00:09:40,830 --> 00:09:43,291 one of her roommates that she was really close with, 177 00:09:43,291 --> 00:09:45,167 and this particular roommate 178 00:09:45,167 --> 00:09:48,629 said that Joycelyn hadn't been at the dorm for a few days. 179 00:09:48,629 --> 00:09:52,216 TIMOTHY: So we end up-- We said, "Hey, something is going on. 180 00:09:52,216 --> 00:09:55,511 This a red flag." And then we got a call 181 00:09:55,511 --> 00:09:59,348 from her, and she told us that she was with R. Kelly. 182 00:09:59,348 --> 00:10:03,352 We was like, "What are you doing? You're in, 183 00:10:03,352 --> 00:10:06,564 "you're in college. We had this discussion. 184 00:10:06,564 --> 00:10:08,399 "I thought you was headed in the direction 185 00:10:08,399 --> 00:10:10,234 that you want to go in." 186 00:10:10,234 --> 00:10:12,737 And she told me that she didn't know 187 00:10:12,737 --> 00:10:14,989 what she wanted to do at that point. 188 00:10:17,033 --> 00:10:18,993 Weeks went by 189 00:10:18,993 --> 00:10:21,954 with no answers. It was like a dead, silence tone 190 00:10:21,954 --> 00:10:23,664 when I'd call. 191 00:10:23,664 --> 00:10:27,293 It has been over almost two years now, 192 00:10:27,293 --> 00:10:30,254 and we still haven't seen our daughter. 193 00:10:32,923 --> 00:10:34,675 When the Savages first came out 194 00:10:34,675 --> 00:10:37,553 talking about Joycelyn, R. Kelly had meetings 195 00:10:37,553 --> 00:10:41,766 to strategize to fix the situation. 196 00:10:41,766 --> 00:10:44,560 So the first thing was to put 197 00:10:44,560 --> 00:10:47,688 Joycelyn in front of the camera on TMZ, 198 00:10:47,688 --> 00:10:50,858 which is something he ordinarily would not have done, 199 00:10:50,858 --> 00:10:53,694 but because they said that Joycelyn was being held 200 00:10:53,694 --> 00:10:55,654 against her will and all of that stuff, 201 00:10:55,654 --> 00:10:57,865 he had to clean it up. 202 00:10:57,865 --> 00:11:00,242 INTERVIEWER: You are not being held against your will? 203 00:11:00,242 --> 00:11:02,370 Oh, n-no. Not at all. 204 00:11:02,370 --> 00:11:05,039 Never been feeling hostage or anything like that, 205 00:11:05,039 --> 00:11:06,957 in that nature, never. 206 00:11:06,957 --> 00:11:08,417 FORMER EMPLOYEE: As far as the video 207 00:11:08,417 --> 00:11:10,294 that Joycelyn Savage made, 208 00:11:10,294 --> 00:11:13,839 I would say that it was scripted 209 00:11:13,839 --> 00:11:17,301 because Robert does not allow those girls 210 00:11:17,301 --> 00:11:20,846 to say anything that he has not told them to say. 211 00:11:20,846 --> 00:11:24,392 TIMOTHY: Yeah, you see shadows in the background, 212 00:11:24,392 --> 00:11:28,646 showing someone saying, "Cut," on her shirt. 213 00:11:28,646 --> 00:11:31,649 INTERVIEWER: Are you free to go from where you are? 214 00:11:31,649 --> 00:11:34,402 JOYCELYN: No, uh, I won't speak on that as well. 215 00:11:34,402 --> 00:11:36,404 It made me feel horrible 216 00:11:36,404 --> 00:11:38,572 that you see somebody doing this in a shadow 217 00:11:38,572 --> 00:11:40,199 going in the background. 218 00:11:40,199 --> 00:11:42,827 That's a control, like she's locked up 219 00:11:42,827 --> 00:11:46,080 in a jail cell. 220 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,250 I really think it hit me when I, when I saw her face 221 00:11:49,250 --> 00:11:51,293 on, you know, TMZ. 222 00:11:51,293 --> 00:11:56,257 I could tell that she was not the same Joycelyn 223 00:11:56,257 --> 00:11:58,759 who was raised up to be. 224 00:11:58,759 --> 00:12:02,346 How can he just sit here and ruin these little girls? 225 00:12:02,346 --> 00:12:03,514 Like, you-you can't-- 226 00:12:03,514 --> 00:12:05,474 Like, I feel like he has no heart. 227 00:12:05,474 --> 00:12:09,353 POWERS: When the ball started rolling down the hill again 228 00:12:09,353 --> 00:12:10,688 for R. Kelly, 229 00:12:10,688 --> 00:12:12,606 there was a piece in BuzzFeed, 230 00:12:12,606 --> 00:12:15,151 there was something in The New Yorker. 231 00:12:15,151 --> 00:12:19,155 The story had hit the mainstream in a new way. 232 00:12:19,155 --> 00:12:21,907 BuzzFeed has published an explosive report 233 00:12:21,907 --> 00:12:26,036 detailing accusations against artist R. Kelly. 234 00:12:26,036 --> 00:12:27,455 NEWSWOMAN: According to the report, 235 00:12:27,455 --> 00:12:29,206 he's keeping a household of young women 236 00:12:29,206 --> 00:12:31,125 in a cult-like atmosphere. 237 00:12:31,125 --> 00:12:33,627 REPORTER: The accusations coming from a nine-month-long 238 00:12:33,627 --> 00:12:35,254 investigative report. 239 00:12:35,254 --> 00:12:37,047 The article quickly becoming 240 00:12:37,047 --> 00:12:39,592 one of the top trending items on social media. 241 00:12:39,592 --> 00:12:41,802 From the time that the Savages came out, 242 00:12:41,802 --> 00:12:44,680 shows started to get canceled. 243 00:12:44,680 --> 00:12:48,225 He has lost money from his bookings, 244 00:12:48,225 --> 00:12:51,270 so the stories, they have 245 00:12:51,270 --> 00:12:54,273 affected his livelihood, and he knows that. 246 00:12:54,273 --> 00:12:55,941 I want everybody around the world to know, 247 00:12:55,941 --> 00:12:58,110 ain't no tours canceled, man, all right? 248 00:12:58,110 --> 00:13:00,154 Despite what you hear, don't believe the hype. 249 00:13:00,154 --> 00:13:02,448 I haven't canceled not one show. 250 00:13:02,448 --> 00:13:04,408 INTERVIEWER: You stand by your words, you know, 251 00:13:04,408 --> 00:13:07,036 R. Kelly's not holding any women hostage 252 00:13:07,036 --> 00:13:08,871 or he doesn't have a sex cult or...? 253 00:13:08,871 --> 00:13:11,373 Um, no. None of that is true. None of that is true. 254 00:13:11,373 --> 00:13:13,459 All of that is false accusations. 255 00:13:13,459 --> 00:13:15,169 You know, people talk all the time, you know. 256 00:13:15,169 --> 00:13:17,004 It's just rumors. 257 00:13:17,004 --> 00:13:19,089 Yeah, I'm out here in L.A., you know, just vacationing, 258 00:13:19,089 --> 00:13:21,091 and he's in Chicago. 259 00:13:21,091 --> 00:13:22,551 INTERVIEWER: Oh, cool. You're doing your own thing right now. 260 00:13:22,551 --> 00:13:24,553 Mm-hmm. Yeah. Doing my own thing. 261 00:13:26,180 --> 00:13:28,182 MICHELLE: When I saw the TMZ video, 262 00:13:28,182 --> 00:13:33,020 I looked over and it was my daughter Dominique. 263 00:13:33,020 --> 00:13:35,564 She was very unrecognizable 264 00:13:35,564 --> 00:13:37,691 because how her hair was and she was all 265 00:13:37,691 --> 00:13:40,903 tattooed up. 266 00:13:40,903 --> 00:13:43,739 So I could see they was in Beverly Hills, 267 00:13:43,739 --> 00:13:45,491 and I just put two and two together 268 00:13:45,491 --> 00:13:47,493 that that's probably where she's staying. 269 00:13:49,578 --> 00:13:51,580 So I spoke with the producers, 270 00:13:51,580 --> 00:13:53,791 because I was already coming 271 00:13:53,791 --> 00:13:56,710 to L.A. to do the documentary. 272 00:13:56,710 --> 00:13:59,713 And so I convinced them to... 273 00:13:59,713 --> 00:14:01,215 take me to Beverly Hills 274 00:14:01,215 --> 00:14:03,425 to locate my daughter. 275 00:14:08,264 --> 00:14:10,266 ♪ ♪ 276 00:14:21,485 --> 00:14:23,487 PRODUCER: What are you doing right now? 277 00:14:23,487 --> 00:14:25,072 MICHELLE: I'm just looking out the window. 278 00:14:25,072 --> 00:14:26,490 She might be walking down the street. 279 00:14:28,784 --> 00:14:31,870 You can never replace a mothe. 280 00:14:31,870 --> 00:14:34,039 Never. 281 00:14:34,039 --> 00:14:35,708 When they sick, we take care of them, 282 00:14:35,708 --> 00:14:37,876 We ain't never know that. 283 00:14:37,876 --> 00:14:39,295 That's a mother. 284 00:14:39,295 --> 00:14:42,506 Not sayin' fathers don't do it. 285 00:14:42,506 --> 00:14:46,010 But this one... I did all that. 286 00:14:46,010 --> 00:14:47,886 So you can never replace that. 287 00:14:47,886 --> 00:14:51,557 One of the things she told me, she told me never to give up. 288 00:14:51,557 --> 00:14:53,892 So me coming to L.A. 289 00:14:53,892 --> 00:14:56,312 and not trying to even try to find her... 290 00:14:58,731 --> 00:15:01,275 I'm not giving up. 291 00:15:01,275 --> 00:15:03,277 I'm not. 292 00:15:20,961 --> 00:15:22,796 ♪ ♪ 293 00:15:22,796 --> 00:15:24,298 TARANA BURKE: After the trial, 294 00:15:24,298 --> 00:15:26,133 R. Kelly has had huge performances-- 295 00:15:26,133 --> 00:15:28,552 particularly, again, in black spaces. 296 00:15:28,552 --> 00:15:31,430 He's had the Soul Train Music Award tribute to Sam Cooke. 297 00:15:31,430 --> 00:15:33,599 NELSON GEORGE: The 2010 performance, 298 00:15:33,599 --> 00:15:35,809 the Epic soul extravaganza, 299 00:15:35,809 --> 00:15:38,687 is definitely his attempt to come back. 300 00:15:38,687 --> 00:15:40,314 He was making, also, a plea 301 00:15:40,314 --> 00:15:42,024 to black adults. 302 00:15:42,024 --> 00:15:43,734 That's why I think he did the '50s thing. 303 00:15:43,734 --> 00:15:45,027 When I watched it, I said, 304 00:15:45,027 --> 00:15:46,654 "This is an incredibly calculated performance." 305 00:15:46,654 --> 00:15:49,657 And the messaging of it is really interesting 306 00:15:49,657 --> 00:15:51,492 in light of where he was in his career, and that is, 307 00:15:51,492 --> 00:15:53,452 "I'm not being a youthful pop star. 308 00:15:53,452 --> 00:15:54,745 "I'm your guy. 309 00:15:54,745 --> 00:15:56,205 I'm part of everything you are." 310 00:15:56,205 --> 00:15:58,082 TRACII McGREGOR: He dropped Love Letter. 311 00:15:58,082 --> 00:16:00,751 And that record didn't do 312 00:16:00,751 --> 00:16:03,253 very well, either. It did better than Untitled, 313 00:16:03,253 --> 00:16:06,507 but when you're looking at, like, the breadth of his work, 314 00:16:06,507 --> 00:16:08,384 it paled in comparison. 315 00:16:08,384 --> 00:16:12,012 And still-- He's still, you know, working in the industry. 316 00:16:12,012 --> 00:16:14,014 I mean, R. Kelly wrote most of the songs 317 00:16:14,014 --> 00:16:16,892 for the Sparkle soundtrack. 318 00:16:16,892 --> 00:16:18,852 He did a song for Whitney Houston, 319 00:16:18,852 --> 00:16:20,479 "I Look to You," 320 00:16:20,479 --> 00:16:21,730 which did fairly well for her. 321 00:16:21,730 --> 00:16:25,609 R. Kelly, with his... mmm... genius, 322 00:16:25,609 --> 00:16:27,736 wrote this song for me many years ago. 323 00:16:27,736 --> 00:16:31,949 Spiritually, it... connected with me, very much. 324 00:16:31,949 --> 00:16:33,617 By the time Whitney Houston dies, you know, 325 00:16:33,617 --> 00:16:35,619 his reputation is pretty bad. 326 00:16:35,619 --> 00:16:37,413 We all know about the sex tapes. 327 00:16:37,413 --> 00:16:39,456 A lot of the stuff about the abuse of women is coming out. 328 00:16:39,456 --> 00:16:41,458 It's been pretty consistent. 329 00:16:41,458 --> 00:16:43,085 So for him-him to even be 330 00:16:43,085 --> 00:16:45,045 at Whitney's funeral is kind of like... 331 00:16:45,045 --> 00:16:47,089 I'm sure some people were very upset about that. 332 00:16:47,089 --> 00:16:51,051 He seems nervous when he gets up there, because... 333 00:16:51,051 --> 00:16:53,220 Maybe he's even aware that-- the enormity of what he's doing 334 00:16:53,220 --> 00:16:55,764 and how potentially inappropriate it is. 335 00:16:55,764 --> 00:16:57,766 And how many of those people are judging him in that audience. 336 00:16:57,766 --> 00:17:01,770 ♪ I look to you... ♪ 337 00:17:01,770 --> 00:17:04,189 (choir vocalizing) 338 00:17:07,776 --> 00:17:10,863 And yet he wins the crowd, because of 339 00:17:10,863 --> 00:17:12,781 the purity of his emotion. 340 00:17:12,781 --> 00:17:14,491 And you see the pastors, 341 00:17:14,491 --> 00:17:17,119 who stand up during the song 342 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:19,663 to sort of accept his testimony. 343 00:17:19,663 --> 00:17:22,040 And it's very powerful. 344 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:23,459 We love you, Whitney. 345 00:17:23,459 --> 00:17:25,294 Rest in peace. 346 00:17:25,294 --> 00:17:27,463 BURKE: When he has these moments, 347 00:17:27,463 --> 00:17:29,798 it elevates him to a status in our community 348 00:17:29,798 --> 00:17:31,425 that-that really is protected. 349 00:17:31,425 --> 00:17:33,135 ♪ ♪ 350 00:17:33,135 --> 00:17:35,137 DR. JODY ADEWALE: Our society tends to compartmentalize 351 00:17:35,137 --> 00:17:36,805 the things we don't want to look at 352 00:17:36,805 --> 00:17:40,601 and magnifies and glorifies the things that we do. 353 00:17:40,601 --> 00:17:43,812 For example, if an individual is providing something 354 00:17:43,812 --> 00:17:45,856 to the society-- 355 00:17:45,856 --> 00:17:48,233 as music, cinema, politics-- 356 00:17:48,233 --> 00:17:50,068 we're more likely 357 00:17:50,068 --> 00:17:52,029 to compartmentalize their negative behavior 358 00:17:52,029 --> 00:17:53,655 and minimize it, 359 00:17:53,655 --> 00:17:55,949 as a way of accepting what they are contributing. 360 00:17:55,949 --> 00:17:58,786 BURKE: We don't want to let go of R. Kelly 361 00:17:58,786 --> 00:18:00,871 because it means let going of all of that catalogue of music 362 00:18:00,871 --> 00:18:03,290 and the memories that go along with it. 363 00:18:03,290 --> 00:18:06,335 Whether you sang "I Believe I Can Fly" at your graduation 364 00:18:06,335 --> 00:18:08,295 or you "Stepped in the Name of Love" at your wedding, 365 00:18:08,295 --> 00:18:10,464 people don't want to let that go. 366 00:18:10,464 --> 00:18:12,800 His music is black music. 367 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:16,178 It crosses over, but he targets the black people. 368 00:18:16,178 --> 00:18:19,181 And as a people, we forgive. 369 00:18:19,181 --> 00:18:20,849 And-and keep forgiving you. 370 00:18:20,849 --> 00:18:22,726 That's the church in us. 371 00:18:22,726 --> 00:18:25,020 But now it's like, 372 00:18:25,020 --> 00:18:26,188 we have gone from stories 373 00:18:26,188 --> 00:18:27,773 that could be dismissed... 374 00:18:27,773 --> 00:18:29,858 They just want to bring him down, to kill his image. 375 00:18:29,858 --> 00:18:32,528 POWERS: ...to stories about women 376 00:18:32,528 --> 00:18:35,364 who were being kept from their parents. 377 00:18:40,869 --> 00:18:43,163 ♪ ♪ 378 00:18:43,163 --> 00:18:45,541 PRODUCER: Kind of looks like the (bleep) over there. 379 00:18:45,541 --> 00:18:47,376 -Where? -Right... 380 00:18:47,376 --> 00:18:48,752 Um... 381 00:18:48,752 --> 00:18:50,254 PRODUCER: All right. Let's go. 382 00:18:57,678 --> 00:18:59,471 MICHELLE: In my heart, I know she's there. 383 00:18:59,471 --> 00:19:01,640 And... I know she's there. 384 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:04,601 My plan is just to go into the hotel 385 00:19:04,601 --> 00:19:07,062 and just, basically-- it's Mother's Day weekend-- 386 00:19:07,062 --> 00:19:11,275 and say, "Can you have her come down? There's a package here." 387 00:19:17,155 --> 00:19:21,159 They said no, there wasn't no Gardner there. 388 00:19:23,036 --> 00:19:25,747 But I didn't get to L.A. not to find my daughter. 389 00:19:25,747 --> 00:19:27,291 -(men chatting indistinctly) -MICHELLE: Could I ask you... 390 00:19:27,291 --> 00:19:28,917 could I ask you a question? 391 00:19:28,917 --> 00:19:31,461 So I saw this black guy outside, 392 00:19:31,461 --> 00:19:33,463 like maybe a doorman or something, 393 00:19:33,463 --> 00:19:35,841 and I described Dominique to him. 394 00:19:35,841 --> 00:19:39,636 And he said, "Try the one across the street." 395 00:19:39,636 --> 00:19:42,389 And I did not know it was a whole nother hotel 396 00:19:42,389 --> 00:19:44,141 of the same name across the street. 397 00:19:44,141 --> 00:19:46,143 ♪ ♪ 398 00:20:00,741 --> 00:20:02,242 Oh! I got company. 399 00:20:02,242 --> 00:20:03,994 All right, how are you guys? 400 00:20:03,994 --> 00:20:06,038 KANIKA: Back in 2011, 401 00:20:06,038 --> 00:20:08,832 I was a radio DJ in Dallas. 402 00:20:08,832 --> 00:20:12,794 Um... and I had met R. Kelly at an after-party 403 00:20:12,794 --> 00:20:15,422 while he was on the Love Letter Tour. 404 00:20:15,422 --> 00:20:17,841 I proceeded to introduce mysef 405 00:20:17,841 --> 00:20:20,761 and let him know that I was from the radio station. 406 00:20:20,761 --> 00:20:23,055 He proceeded to ask me how old I was. 407 00:20:23,055 --> 00:20:25,515 Told him I was in my 30s, 408 00:20:25,515 --> 00:20:27,059 and he was shocked. 409 00:20:27,059 --> 00:20:30,270 He just kind of sized me up a little bit, 410 00:20:30,270 --> 00:20:32,022 from head to toe, like, what I looked like. 411 00:20:32,022 --> 00:20:33,690 And we were just kind of 412 00:20:33,690 --> 00:20:35,359 shaking hands really slow 413 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,486 and that's when he slipped me the phone number. 414 00:20:37,486 --> 00:20:39,655 ♪ ♪ 415 00:20:39,655 --> 00:20:43,116 Long distance was a hard thing for both of us, so... 416 00:20:43,116 --> 00:20:44,952 I quit my job 417 00:20:44,952 --> 00:20:47,829 and moved to Chicago. 418 00:20:47,829 --> 00:20:50,249 I didn't just pack up and leave 419 00:20:50,249 --> 00:20:53,085 just because I loved him, it was a two-way thing. 420 00:20:53,085 --> 00:20:57,464 Rob absolutely told me that he loved me, all the time. 421 00:20:57,464 --> 00:21:02,761 I was visiting Dallas and a friend of mine said, 422 00:21:02,761 --> 00:21:05,889 "Um, you know, have you ever watched 423 00:21:05,889 --> 00:21:07,516 the sex tape?" 424 00:21:07,516 --> 00:21:11,019 And I was furious with her 425 00:21:11,019 --> 00:21:14,064 and I felt disrespected, because... 426 00:21:14,064 --> 00:21:15,816 at this point, this is my boyfriend. 427 00:21:15,816 --> 00:21:19,945 Not only that, I just felt like if you have respect for me 428 00:21:19,945 --> 00:21:21,947 you wouldn't be bringing up something that 429 00:21:21,947 --> 00:21:24,449 people are gonna always make fun of him over. 430 00:21:24,449 --> 00:21:25,742 I'm-I'm offended as well. 431 00:21:25,742 --> 00:21:27,661 But my curiosity 432 00:21:27,661 --> 00:21:29,413 just kind of got the best of e 433 00:21:29,413 --> 00:21:30,872 and I googled it. 434 00:21:30,872 --> 00:21:32,374 And, um... 435 00:21:34,042 --> 00:21:36,128 ...when I saw the images, 436 00:21:36,128 --> 00:21:38,880 um... 437 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:40,882 (sobs) 438 00:21:42,134 --> 00:21:44,553 The images were... 439 00:21:49,057 --> 00:21:52,477 ...the same girl that he had introduced me to, 440 00:21:52,477 --> 00:21:55,063 um... 441 00:21:55,063 --> 00:21:56,732 a couple weeks before. 442 00:21:56,732 --> 00:22:00,527 I knew ex-- I knew immediately it was the same woman. 443 00:22:00,527 --> 00:22:03,030 Um... 444 00:22:03,030 --> 00:22:04,740 I just didn't know how to feel. 445 00:22:04,740 --> 00:22:08,910 I-I guess I felt like I was tricked into something. 446 00:22:08,910 --> 00:22:10,328 All at the same time. 447 00:22:10,328 --> 00:22:12,080 It was just... 448 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,124 a bunch of emotions coming over me, like, 449 00:22:14,124 --> 00:22:17,002 am I really with someone that did this? 450 00:22:27,179 --> 00:22:29,931 KANIKA: I called him. 451 00:22:29,931 --> 00:22:33,685 And... I was very upset. 452 00:22:33,685 --> 00:22:36,271 He could hear me crying and I said, 453 00:22:36,271 --> 00:22:39,191 "My friend sent me the tape," or something like that. 454 00:22:39,191 --> 00:22:41,359 I didn't want him to know that I went looking for it, 455 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,361 so I carefully worded it 456 00:22:43,361 --> 00:22:46,281 so he didn't think that 457 00:22:46,281 --> 00:22:48,742 I went looking for a tape. 458 00:22:48,742 --> 00:22:51,369 The tape that he went to trial for. 459 00:22:51,369 --> 00:22:55,207 He just began, like, 460 00:22:55,207 --> 00:22:57,334 saying things to me 461 00:22:57,334 --> 00:22:58,877 that I'd never heard before. 462 00:22:58,877 --> 00:23:00,879 Like, "Bitch, don't ever accuse me 463 00:23:00,879 --> 00:23:03,131 of some (bleep) like that ever again." 464 00:23:03,131 --> 00:23:04,633 And "Who are you listening to? 465 00:23:04,633 --> 00:23:06,343 "Get your ass back. 466 00:23:06,343 --> 00:23:08,762 I'm (bleep) you up." Things like that. 467 00:23:08,762 --> 00:23:10,680 And I was just... 468 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,682 scared. 469 00:23:15,143 --> 00:23:17,145 ♪ ♪ 470 00:23:17,145 --> 00:23:19,147 He beat me in the car when I got back. 471 00:23:22,109 --> 00:23:24,528 That was the first time he was very physical with me. 472 00:23:24,528 --> 00:23:28,073 Not only do I need to save face for myself, 473 00:23:28,073 --> 00:23:29,491 I need to protect him, too, 474 00:23:29,491 --> 00:23:31,284 because now I loved him, I love him. 475 00:23:31,284 --> 00:23:34,329 And now he knows that I know this secret. 476 00:23:34,329 --> 00:23:39,042 And I need him to understand that I'm not gonna tell anybody. 477 00:23:39,042 --> 00:23:41,461 ♪ ♪ 478 00:23:41,461 --> 00:23:43,547 I felt trapped. 479 00:23:43,547 --> 00:23:45,423 On the inside, I was like, 480 00:23:45,423 --> 00:23:47,092 "Who am I dealing with?" 481 00:23:47,092 --> 00:23:49,136 Like, who is this person that I'm lying down with? 482 00:23:49,136 --> 00:23:51,221 Is he doing this secretly? 483 00:23:51,221 --> 00:23:52,514 You know? 484 00:23:52,514 --> 00:23:55,684 And I'm of age. Am I just a beard? 485 00:23:55,684 --> 00:23:57,686 I didn't know. 486 00:23:57,686 --> 00:23:59,688 I just... 487 00:24:01,231 --> 00:24:03,275 I just knew that 488 00:24:03,275 --> 00:24:05,944 when we were the car and he was lashing out at me 489 00:24:05,944 --> 00:24:08,655 and-and slapping me repeatedly, 490 00:24:08,655 --> 00:24:11,950 and I just kept telling him I was sorry 491 00:24:11,950 --> 00:24:14,911 and that I... I wasn't accusing him of anything 492 00:24:14,911 --> 00:24:16,454 and that I didn't believe it. 493 00:24:16,454 --> 00:24:20,917 At this point, there's no turning back. 494 00:24:20,917 --> 00:24:23,837 And I just-- I wanted to make it work by all means. 495 00:24:23,837 --> 00:24:25,797 But... 496 00:24:25,797 --> 00:24:27,340 he would beat me 497 00:24:27,340 --> 00:24:29,050 when he was upset with me. 498 00:24:32,012 --> 00:24:33,972 There's a period that-- 499 00:24:33,972 --> 00:24:35,974 He calls it "training you." 500 00:24:35,974 --> 00:24:38,977 He used those words with me plenty of times. 501 00:24:38,977 --> 00:24:42,731 I didn't understand 502 00:24:42,731 --> 00:24:45,692 that training me was, like, okay, let me... 503 00:24:45,692 --> 00:24:48,695 let me put this out here and see if she... 504 00:24:48,695 --> 00:24:50,363 is comfortable with that. 505 00:24:50,363 --> 00:24:54,618 You definitely had to ask to go to the restroom. 506 00:24:54,618 --> 00:24:56,494 Stand up when he walks in the room. 507 00:24:56,494 --> 00:24:59,289 You had to ask for your food. 508 00:24:59,289 --> 00:25:03,001 I was not allowed, by Rob, to watch TV back then. 509 00:25:03,001 --> 00:25:06,087 Dance Moms was a show that he would look at, 510 00:25:06,087 --> 00:25:08,506 ironically, with little girls dancing or whatever. 511 00:25:08,506 --> 00:25:12,761 But I never saw any reality shows on VH1 512 00:25:12,761 --> 00:25:14,262 or anything that was negative 513 00:25:14,262 --> 00:25:16,848 or might have anything that would, 514 00:25:16,848 --> 00:25:18,266 I guess, pertain to him 515 00:25:18,266 --> 00:25:19,935 or put any negative thoughts. 516 00:25:21,519 --> 00:25:23,230 ADEWALE: The perpetrator might 517 00:25:23,230 --> 00:25:25,523 isolate an individual. 518 00:25:25,523 --> 00:25:28,318 It's easier for a perpetrator to abuse-- 519 00:25:28,318 --> 00:25:30,237 sexually, physically, financially, emotionally 520 00:25:30,237 --> 00:25:31,863 abuse the individual 521 00:25:31,863 --> 00:25:33,865 when that individual is separated from their family, 522 00:25:33,865 --> 00:25:36,534 when that individual doesn't have resources. 523 00:25:36,534 --> 00:25:38,578 He or she can, um, 524 00:25:38,578 --> 00:25:41,373 essentially do whatever he or she wants to that individual. 525 00:25:41,373 --> 00:25:44,459 The... the victim often believes 526 00:25:44,459 --> 00:25:46,294 "I have nothing else." 527 00:25:46,294 --> 00:25:48,171 Yeah, they had a lot of rules 528 00:25:48,171 --> 00:25:49,881 that they had us abide by. 529 00:25:49,881 --> 00:25:53,301 PRODUCER: What does it mean to be in trouble with Rob, 530 00:25:53,301 --> 00:25:54,803 for one of the girls? 531 00:25:54,803 --> 00:25:57,138 FORMER EMPLOYEE: Being in trouble with Rob 532 00:25:57,138 --> 00:26:00,183 would mean being confined to a room 533 00:26:00,183 --> 00:26:01,601 for several days. 534 00:26:01,601 --> 00:26:03,561 Being confined on the tour bus 535 00:26:03,561 --> 00:26:04,688 for several days. 536 00:26:04,688 --> 00:26:06,815 Having their devices taken. 537 00:26:06,815 --> 00:26:08,692 Cell phones taken away. 538 00:26:08,692 --> 00:26:11,152 And even being spanked. 539 00:26:11,152 --> 00:26:14,030 Being on punishment could be... 540 00:26:14,030 --> 00:26:15,907 either you're not getting food 541 00:26:15,907 --> 00:26:18,243 or you took a beating 542 00:26:18,243 --> 00:26:19,786 and he's not talking to you. 543 00:26:19,786 --> 00:26:21,705 It was just a... 544 00:26:21,705 --> 00:26:23,415 a-a-a molding and shaping me 545 00:26:23,415 --> 00:26:24,582 into this person 546 00:26:24,582 --> 00:26:25,917 and then, once I realize 547 00:26:25,917 --> 00:26:27,794 this is what it's become, 548 00:26:27,794 --> 00:26:29,587 it's too late and I'm in it. 549 00:26:29,587 --> 00:26:34,217 FORMER EMPLOYEE (crying): I'm sorry. 550 00:26:34,217 --> 00:26:36,219 I'm sorry. 551 00:26:41,391 --> 00:26:45,103 Because when you talk about it, 552 00:26:45,103 --> 00:26:50,692 you realize how sick and twisted it really was. 553 00:26:53,611 --> 00:26:57,282 And when I first met those girls... 554 00:27:02,996 --> 00:27:04,998 (sniffles, exhales) 555 00:27:04,998 --> 00:27:07,876 When I first met those girls, 556 00:27:07,876 --> 00:27:11,129 I judged them, not him. 557 00:27:11,129 --> 00:27:15,342 My first response to myself was, 558 00:27:15,342 --> 00:27:17,886 "These bitches are crazy," 559 00:27:17,886 --> 00:27:22,724 because I saw them jump up and kiss him, 560 00:27:22,724 --> 00:27:24,976 one behind the other, 561 00:27:24,976 --> 00:27:29,189 and I knew what was going on behind closed doors 562 00:27:29,189 --> 00:27:32,025 as far as them not being able to eat when they wanted to, 563 00:27:32,025 --> 00:27:34,652 not being able to move around. 564 00:27:34,652 --> 00:27:39,074 Until I started to not just look at the situation, 565 00:27:39,074 --> 00:27:44,371 but I started to also listen to what he would say 566 00:27:44,371 --> 00:27:47,165 to make them act that way. 567 00:27:49,042 --> 00:27:51,211 KANIKA: The summer of 2012, 568 00:27:51,211 --> 00:27:53,088 he was putting together The Single Ladies Tour. 569 00:27:53,088 --> 00:27:56,132 I was just kind of at my wit's end to leave, 570 00:27:56,132 --> 00:28:01,012 and, um, he kind of reeled me back in by asking me to go 571 00:28:01,012 --> 00:28:03,723 -be the cage girl. -(audience cheering) 572 00:28:06,351 --> 00:28:10,355 It made me feel special that, "Okay, this is us 573 00:28:10,355 --> 00:28:12,232 working on the relationship," 574 00:28:12,232 --> 00:28:15,443 some of the promises that he made, um, before, you know, 575 00:28:15,443 --> 00:28:19,656 me even moving or-or making up my mind to move. 576 00:28:19,656 --> 00:28:21,991 So, we practiced that. 577 00:28:21,991 --> 00:28:23,910 And the lights were gonna go dim, 578 00:28:23,910 --> 00:28:26,663 and then the spotlight would be on me 579 00:28:26,663 --> 00:28:29,082 with him on his knees singing to me, 580 00:28:29,082 --> 00:28:31,960 and then he opens my legs and goes down on me 581 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,586 while I'm in the seats. 582 00:28:33,586 --> 00:28:35,588 (fans screaming) 583 00:28:38,007 --> 00:28:40,552 JOYNER: He did this 30 years ago. 584 00:28:40,552 --> 00:28:42,554 He was on stage at the Essence Festival. 585 00:28:42,554 --> 00:28:46,391 Same act, with the bed, grabbing his crotch, 586 00:28:46,391 --> 00:28:49,185 all of that-- simulating sex. 587 00:28:49,185 --> 00:28:50,854 He hasn't changed. 588 00:28:50,854 --> 00:28:53,148 We would run up to the stage together, 589 00:28:53,148 --> 00:28:56,234 and then one of the guys would hand me 590 00:28:56,234 --> 00:28:58,445 a fake contract, and then I would be looking at it like, 591 00:28:58,445 --> 00:29:00,655 "Oh, my God, I'm about to sign this to let him 592 00:29:00,655 --> 00:29:02,657 do what he wants with me." 593 00:29:02,657 --> 00:29:05,326 And I just remember him sayin, 594 00:29:05,326 --> 00:29:08,997 "This is what I'm gonna have you do when we get home. 595 00:29:08,997 --> 00:29:10,415 "Make up a contract 596 00:29:10,415 --> 00:29:12,250 so I can protect myself." 597 00:29:14,377 --> 00:29:16,588 FORMER EMPLOYEE: He does make 598 00:29:16,588 --> 00:29:20,008 the girls write statements with false accusations 599 00:29:20,008 --> 00:29:21,718 against themselves. 600 00:29:21,718 --> 00:29:23,887 Either saying that they've stole something from him, 601 00:29:23,887 --> 00:29:27,056 or that their parents have stole something from him, 602 00:29:27,056 --> 00:29:29,309 or even that the parents tried to bribe him, 603 00:29:29,309 --> 00:29:31,352 or something of that sort. 604 00:29:31,352 --> 00:29:32,604 I would call the false statements 605 00:29:32,604 --> 00:29:34,397 some type of insurance. 606 00:29:34,397 --> 00:29:37,400 And I would even say, in addition to the statements, 607 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,403 the fact that he videos everything that they do 608 00:29:40,403 --> 00:29:43,031 when they are being sexual with him, 609 00:29:43,031 --> 00:29:46,451 I see the videos as being something 610 00:29:46,451 --> 00:29:50,830 that he can hold against them or hold over their heads. 611 00:29:52,790 --> 00:29:55,001 KANIKA: The tour ended middle of December 612 00:29:55,001 --> 00:29:56,544 of 2012. 613 00:29:56,544 --> 00:29:59,881 He introduced me 614 00:29:59,881 --> 00:30:01,591 sometime in February, and my life 615 00:30:01,591 --> 00:30:04,552 just got turned upside down after that. 616 00:30:04,552 --> 00:30:07,680 Sexually, it was always one or two girls. 617 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,849 At the most, it was three. 618 00:30:09,849 --> 00:30:12,435 I just had to block it all out, you know? 619 00:30:12,435 --> 00:30:15,980 Because the sexual part of it is just so humiliating 620 00:30:15,980 --> 00:30:20,527 and degrading, and it makes you feel, um, 621 00:30:20,527 --> 00:30:23,947 like, if you say no, like, what the consequences are gonna be. 622 00:30:23,947 --> 00:30:28,618 He was preparing for the Black Panties album, mainly. 623 00:30:28,618 --> 00:30:30,954 And my last straw 624 00:30:30,954 --> 00:30:32,789 was being starved. 625 00:30:32,789 --> 00:30:34,916 I think I was going on day three. 626 00:30:34,916 --> 00:30:37,126 I hadn't eaten the whole day, 627 00:30:37,126 --> 00:30:40,755 and I just remember glancing over at him 628 00:30:40,755 --> 00:30:43,007 and just making, like, a subtle movement, and he said, 629 00:30:43,007 --> 00:30:46,135 "Don't stare at me while I effing eat." 630 00:30:46,135 --> 00:30:48,096 And I said, "I'm not staring at you." 631 00:30:48,096 --> 00:30:51,599 Like, I had no fear of him anymore. 632 00:30:51,599 --> 00:30:53,601 It was just starting to build up, 633 00:30:53,601 --> 00:30:55,979 and I just started thinking of ways to, like, 634 00:30:55,979 --> 00:30:59,899 either end my life or end his. 635 00:31:03,486 --> 00:31:05,863 It's difficult for people who aren't in these contexts 636 00:31:05,863 --> 00:31:08,449 to understand. "Well, why wouldn't she just leave? 637 00:31:08,449 --> 00:31:10,827 Why wouldn't she just go eat something?" 638 00:31:10,827 --> 00:31:13,162 But again, it's been a process over time 639 00:31:13,162 --> 00:31:15,790 where this relationship is the most important relationship 640 00:31:15,790 --> 00:31:17,625 in her life. 641 00:31:17,625 --> 00:31:20,378 She won't do anything to risk that relationship 642 00:31:20,378 --> 00:31:22,505 and attention that she'll get from that person. 643 00:31:22,505 --> 00:31:24,924 So it can be quite powerful. 644 00:31:27,510 --> 00:31:30,680 KANIKA: The next day, 645 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,099 um, even though 646 00:31:33,099 --> 00:31:36,853 all this had built up for me to leave, 647 00:31:36,853 --> 00:31:42,317 and I felt strong when it came to me getting to the airport... 648 00:31:42,317 --> 00:31:44,319 (sniffles) 649 00:31:44,319 --> 00:31:45,987 ...I didn't want to go. 650 00:31:45,987 --> 00:31:48,072 Um... 651 00:31:48,072 --> 00:31:52,368 I was afraid of what I was gonna have to face when I got home. 652 00:31:52,368 --> 00:31:55,163 Because I was so scared 653 00:31:55,163 --> 00:31:58,625 of what people were gonna say and think, 654 00:31:58,625 --> 00:32:00,668 and how they were gonna judge me and, like, 655 00:32:00,668 --> 00:32:03,212 "What happened? Why are you back?" 656 00:32:06,924 --> 00:32:08,593 DR. KHADIJA MONK: The number of times 657 00:32:08,593 --> 00:32:11,971 a domestic violence, um, survivor leaves 658 00:32:11,971 --> 00:32:13,806 is between seven and ten times 659 00:32:13,806 --> 00:32:17,018 before they permanently leave. 660 00:32:17,018 --> 00:32:19,270 And that is because 661 00:32:19,270 --> 00:32:23,274 of the power and control that the abuser has. 662 00:32:26,486 --> 00:32:29,197 KANIKA: So when I got to the airport, 663 00:32:29,197 --> 00:32:31,574 it was so scary. 664 00:32:31,574 --> 00:32:34,869 I remember trying to call him, and text, 665 00:32:34,869 --> 00:32:36,746 and I kept telling myself, 666 00:32:36,746 --> 00:32:40,166 "If he picks the phone up, I'm going back," 667 00:32:40,166 --> 00:32:43,753 because I wasn't ready like I thought I was. 668 00:32:46,381 --> 00:32:48,591 He never picked it up. 669 00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:01,437 MICHELLE: I didn't get to be a mother 670 00:33:01,437 --> 00:33:03,940 all this long not to be a detective. 671 00:33:28,715 --> 00:33:30,133 Yes, please. 672 00:33:39,100 --> 00:33:41,352 MICHELLE: The hotel manager, he was like, 673 00:33:41,352 --> 00:33:43,604 "Um, I'm-a take you to her room." 674 00:33:43,604 --> 00:33:44,939 I was like, "Oh, my God." 675 00:33:44,939 --> 00:33:47,567 So, I was getting nervous. 676 00:33:47,567 --> 00:33:49,402 I-I can't e-- I don't have no words, 677 00:33:49,402 --> 00:33:52,029 'cause it's just overwhelming. 678 00:34:01,539 --> 00:34:03,541 (knocking on door) 679 00:34:29,817 --> 00:34:31,819 (knocking on door) 680 00:34:46,167 --> 00:34:48,169 (Michelle laughs softly) 681 00:34:50,379 --> 00:34:52,381 Baby. Oh... 682 00:35:54,318 --> 00:35:57,154 Okay. Yeah, we good. Thank you. 683 00:36:05,079 --> 00:36:06,706 Thank you. 684 00:36:06,706 --> 00:36:09,584 No, you made this the best Mother's Day ever. 685 00:36:09,584 --> 00:36:12,712 You don't understand. 686 00:36:12,712 --> 00:36:14,630 You don't understand. 687 00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:17,300 (panting) 688 00:36:20,970 --> 00:36:23,097 (crying): Oh, my God. 689 00:36:23,097 --> 00:36:25,600 I found her. 690 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,686 I found my baby. God is real. 691 00:36:40,531 --> 00:36:44,285 (sobbing) 692 00:36:44,285 --> 00:36:46,287 Thank you, God. 693 00:36:54,503 --> 00:36:58,049 Any man that don't let their mother 694 00:36:58,049 --> 00:36:59,926 see their child, the child see their mother, 695 00:36:59,926 --> 00:37:03,429 and she's still living, you ain't got no heart. 696 00:37:03,429 --> 00:37:05,431 I saw my daughter. 697 00:37:05,431 --> 00:37:08,809 I hugged my daughter, I kissed my daughter. 698 00:37:10,978 --> 00:37:15,149 And she said that your daughter was in the room. 699 00:37:15,149 --> 00:37:18,778 NORCOTT: Things that can support girls 700 00:37:18,778 --> 00:37:21,030 and women getting away from abusive situations: 701 00:37:21,030 --> 00:37:25,868 one is time, one is reminding the girl 702 00:37:25,868 --> 00:37:27,995 that she has her own identity, 703 00:37:27,995 --> 00:37:30,790 that she's cared for, that she's loved. 704 00:37:30,790 --> 00:37:35,336 You've seen parents put out media blasts in different ways, 705 00:37:35,336 --> 00:37:37,713 reminding the girls that they're loved, 706 00:37:37,713 --> 00:37:40,925 and the hope is that something will get through, right? 707 00:37:40,925 --> 00:37:44,011 Or that there may be a period where a girl 708 00:37:44,011 --> 00:37:48,099 will be questioning her current situation, may reach out, 709 00:37:48,099 --> 00:37:52,061 may do a Google search and find a YouTube video 710 00:37:52,061 --> 00:37:54,689 of a-a message from her parent. 711 00:37:58,150 --> 00:38:00,152 MICHELLE: Hold on, hold on. 712 00:38:05,324 --> 00:38:07,326 Okay. 713 00:38:07,326 --> 00:38:09,704 Okay. Oh, she want to talk to me. 714 00:38:09,704 --> 00:38:11,330 I got to go. Bye. 715 00:38:11,330 --> 00:38:13,416 My daughter want to talk to me. Bye. 716 00:38:18,879 --> 00:38:20,881 Hello? 717 00:38:20,881 --> 00:38:24,051 Hey. Don't cry, don't cry. 718 00:38:24,051 --> 00:38:27,263 Don't, don't, don't cry, okay? 719 00:38:29,974 --> 00:38:31,976 (sniffles) 720 00:38:34,061 --> 00:38:37,231 PRODUCER: Feel like she was happy to see you? 721 00:38:39,275 --> 00:38:41,902 She couldn't show no emotion, probably. 722 00:38:41,902 --> 00:38:44,113 But on the phone, I wish I could've 723 00:38:44,113 --> 00:38:45,948 put it on speaker. 724 00:38:45,948 --> 00:38:48,576 (crying): Don't cry. 725 00:38:51,954 --> 00:38:55,374 Please just come home. 726 00:38:55,374 --> 00:38:57,501 She cried like... 727 00:38:57,501 --> 00:39:01,922 like a little girl just hurting for her mommy. 728 00:39:01,922 --> 00:39:05,593 And I said, "Baby, I-- uh, can I come back, please?" 729 00:39:05,593 --> 00:39:07,887 And she said, "Yes, Mama, come back at 6:00." 730 00:39:16,604 --> 00:39:19,607 -Thank you. -You're welcome. 731 00:39:30,242 --> 00:39:34,413 Our daughter met R. Kelly at a concert in Orlando 732 00:39:34,413 --> 00:39:36,707 that, uh, we all went to, 733 00:39:36,707 --> 00:39:38,292 celebrating for my husband's birthday. 734 00:39:41,003 --> 00:39:44,673 He actually pulled her out the crowd onstage. 735 00:39:44,673 --> 00:39:47,259 Azriel was 17. 736 00:39:47,259 --> 00:39:48,803 We had no idea that she was going through 737 00:39:48,803 --> 00:39:51,639 some personal things, I guess, in her life. 738 00:39:51,639 --> 00:39:55,434 You know, um, that, um... (voice breaking) 739 00:40:00,815 --> 00:40:06,570 ♪ Oh, say can you see... ♪ 740 00:40:06,570 --> 00:40:08,405 ALICE: She's a remarkable singer, 741 00:40:08,405 --> 00:40:10,866 and she had been singing since she was about five or six, 742 00:40:10,866 --> 00:40:13,869 but singing kind of, like, professionally 743 00:40:13,869 --> 00:40:15,579 since she was about eight. 744 00:40:15,579 --> 00:40:18,124 She's been in so many different contests, 745 00:40:18,124 --> 00:40:21,627 shows, won so many awards. 746 00:40:21,627 --> 00:40:22,711 That was her thing. 747 00:40:22,711 --> 00:40:23,921 She wanted to be 748 00:40:23,921 --> 00:40:26,257 a famous singer. 749 00:40:26,257 --> 00:40:27,716 She had a bubbly personality, 750 00:40:27,716 --> 00:40:32,304 very fun, like, full of life young lady. 751 00:40:36,976 --> 00:40:38,185 ANGELO: When R. Kelly picked my daughter 752 00:40:38,185 --> 00:40:39,395 to go up onstage, 753 00:40:39,395 --> 00:40:40,938 they danced, and it was a bunch 754 00:40:40,938 --> 00:40:42,815 of young ladies he picked out. 755 00:40:42,815 --> 00:40:47,153 Everybody knew R. Kelly's background with females. 756 00:40:47,153 --> 00:40:49,530 You know, you kind of suppressed the thought. 757 00:40:49,530 --> 00:40:51,824 He's never been found guilty on any of the charges, so... 758 00:40:51,824 --> 00:40:56,078 I mean, if you look at it, you know, from a legal standpoint, 759 00:40:56,078 --> 00:40:59,748 you think, okay, maybe it wasn't any truth or validity to it. 760 00:40:59,748 --> 00:41:01,709 Because people make accusations on people all the time. 761 00:41:01,709 --> 00:41:03,460 It doesn't mean it's actually true. 762 00:41:03,460 --> 00:41:06,255 I felt as though, you know, yeah, I know his background, 763 00:41:06,255 --> 00:41:08,299 but my daughter gonna be different. 764 00:41:08,299 --> 00:41:10,926 I'm right here with her, her mom's right here with her. 765 00:41:10,926 --> 00:41:14,263 So, I was-- You know, me being a-a father, 766 00:41:14,263 --> 00:41:16,390 a protective father, 767 00:41:16,390 --> 00:41:17,766 I'm-I'm-I'm okay with it 'cause I don't think 768 00:41:17,766 --> 00:41:20,436 none of this could happen to me. 769 00:41:20,436 --> 00:41:24,690 Then the way they had to exit was through the back. 770 00:41:24,690 --> 00:41:26,525 So, during that time, we was waiting and waiting and waiting, 771 00:41:26,525 --> 00:41:28,110 and kind of getting a little nervous. 772 00:41:28,110 --> 00:41:31,363 Went to the corner where the VIP was, 773 00:41:31,363 --> 00:41:33,574 and then that's where she exited at, 774 00:41:33,574 --> 00:41:35,284 from the back side of the stage. 775 00:41:36,577 --> 00:41:39,288 They told us that he asked her to hear her sing. 776 00:41:39,288 --> 00:41:44,043 He liked it, so he gave her a number to contact him. 777 00:41:44,043 --> 00:41:47,463 ALICE: Azriel was in the 11th grade. 778 00:41:47,463 --> 00:41:49,256 We didn't find out right away, 779 00:41:49,256 --> 00:41:52,384 but she was secretly, I guess, calling him and texting him, 780 00:41:52,384 --> 00:41:54,261 and had been talking to him on the phone. 781 00:41:54,261 --> 00:41:57,223 One day, the time that she's supposed to be at home, 782 00:41:57,223 --> 00:41:59,558 I call, and she wasn't home yet. 783 00:41:59,558 --> 00:42:01,644 Finally, we get a phone call. 784 00:42:01,644 --> 00:42:05,731 She finally called me and said, "Oh, I'm at a hotel in Kissimmee 785 00:42:05,731 --> 00:42:07,942 meeting with R. Kelly." 786 00:42:07,942 --> 00:42:11,278 How and why, like, did this happen? 787 00:42:11,278 --> 00:42:14,406 Like, I was really shocked. 788 00:42:26,293 --> 00:42:29,338 ALICE: One day, we get a phone call. 789 00:42:29,338 --> 00:42:33,509 She finally called me and said, "Oh, I'm at a hotel in Kissimmee 790 00:42:33,509 --> 00:42:35,552 meeting with R. Kelly." 791 00:42:35,552 --> 00:42:37,972 And the first thing I thought was, 792 00:42:37,972 --> 00:42:41,558 I have to leave work, like, right now, immediately. 793 00:42:41,558 --> 00:42:44,311 I called my husband, and he was at work, and he said, 794 00:42:44,311 --> 00:42:45,896 "I'm on my way, too." He left work. 795 00:42:45,896 --> 00:42:48,565 That's a grown man, 796 00:42:48,565 --> 00:42:50,484 and I've heard of the allegations 797 00:42:50,484 --> 00:42:52,444 in the past about him. 798 00:42:52,444 --> 00:42:55,364 So it kind of, kind of freaked me out 799 00:42:55,364 --> 00:42:58,576 because I'm thinking she's never done anything without us. 800 00:43:00,619 --> 00:43:02,705 Why would R. Kelly, as a man, 801 00:43:02,705 --> 00:43:05,040 want to meet our daughter by herself? 802 00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,835 Why would she even go without one of us, you know? 803 00:43:07,835 --> 00:43:10,504 We told her from the beginning, when she got it, 804 00:43:10,504 --> 00:43:12,965 we don't want you around him never by yourself. 805 00:43:12,965 --> 00:43:14,550 You always got to be with one of us. 806 00:43:16,260 --> 00:43:19,638 As I get to the hotel, I see her car. 807 00:43:19,638 --> 00:43:22,099 And then I see his tour bus, so I know she was at the hotel. 808 00:43:22,099 --> 00:43:25,394 So I was kind of relieved that, no, okay, she is here. 809 00:43:28,564 --> 00:43:31,191 ALICE: But we go inside the hotel, 810 00:43:31,191 --> 00:43:33,861 asking for R. Kelly room. 811 00:43:33,861 --> 00:43:36,196 They were saying there was no such guest there. 812 00:43:36,196 --> 00:43:38,449 And we're like, "Okay, we know there's a guest there 813 00:43:38,449 --> 00:43:41,535 "'cause his tour bus is outside, my daughter car is out there, 814 00:43:41,535 --> 00:43:45,414 "and, you know, we need our daughter to come down. 815 00:43:45,414 --> 00:43:46,999 She's a minor." 816 00:43:46,999 --> 00:43:50,919 So, they got the head of security to come and... 817 00:43:50,919 --> 00:43:52,296 'Cause we were actually going through the building 818 00:43:52,296 --> 00:43:53,589 and knocking on doors. 819 00:43:53,589 --> 00:43:55,090 They told us we couldn't do that. 820 00:43:55,090 --> 00:43:56,884 So, basically, he came back and said, 821 00:43:56,884 --> 00:43:59,178 "Yes, we do have him here. 822 00:43:59,178 --> 00:44:02,639 "Um, we're trying to find out what room, locate your daughter. 823 00:44:02,639 --> 00:44:04,683 "And could you be patient and just let us, 824 00:44:04,683 --> 00:44:06,143 you know, find out what was going on?" 825 00:44:06,143 --> 00:44:07,895 Because, apparently, he had, like, 826 00:44:07,895 --> 00:44:10,397 two floors, or something, of rooms. 827 00:44:13,025 --> 00:44:16,278 ANGELO: And she was with R. Kelly in the room, alone. 828 00:44:16,278 --> 00:44:20,157 She was auditioning, is the word that was used. 829 00:44:20,157 --> 00:44:21,658 She was auditioning for him. 830 00:44:21,658 --> 00:44:24,119 And so we said no, no, no, no. 831 00:44:24,119 --> 00:44:26,413 That-- No. She needs to come down, 832 00:44:26,413 --> 00:44:28,040 or he needs to come down, or whatever. 833 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,126 Well, eventually, Azriel came down. 834 00:44:31,126 --> 00:44:32,795 He never came down. 835 00:44:32,795 --> 00:44:36,590 She went into the whole spiel: hey, we messin' it up. 836 00:44:36,590 --> 00:44:39,510 -"It was a real interview." -She was upset. 837 00:44:39,510 --> 00:44:41,345 "And why would you come down? 838 00:44:41,345 --> 00:44:43,347 "Y'all gonna mess up my shot. 839 00:44:43,347 --> 00:44:44,640 "You know, this-this is my chance. 840 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,392 "This is what we all working for. 841 00:44:46,392 --> 00:44:48,977 You know, this is my career. Y'all supposed to back me." 842 00:44:48,977 --> 00:44:51,980 And I'm like, you know what, maybe it was innocent. 843 00:44:51,980 --> 00:44:54,983 You know, and maybe it was an interview, 844 00:44:54,983 --> 00:44:56,193 but she should've called us. 845 00:44:59,113 --> 00:45:01,865 I believe that R. Kelly thinks that he's invincible. 846 00:45:01,865 --> 00:45:03,742 He was acquitted. 847 00:45:03,742 --> 00:45:06,495 What makes any of us think that he will 848 00:45:06,495 --> 00:45:08,247 ever be touched? 849 00:45:08,247 --> 00:45:13,335 So, I think that he believes that he has a pass for life, 850 00:45:13,335 --> 00:45:17,798 because no one's been able to touch him at all. 851 00:45:19,425 --> 00:45:20,759 ALICE: We're riding home. 852 00:45:20,759 --> 00:45:22,761 Azriel's basically saying how 853 00:45:22,761 --> 00:45:25,180 R. Kelly is, like, a musical genius, 854 00:45:25,180 --> 00:45:27,933 and he could possibly help her move into the next level. 855 00:45:27,933 --> 00:45:29,560 And she went home and researched and... 856 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,354 She went home and researched him and all his music. 857 00:45:32,354 --> 00:45:33,647 Saw all the people he worked with 858 00:45:33,647 --> 00:45:35,232 and all that. 859 00:45:35,232 --> 00:45:37,776 ALICE: All the songwriters, like, all the songs he wrote 860 00:45:37,776 --> 00:45:39,945 for, you know, people he wrote for. 861 00:45:39,945 --> 00:45:43,699 And so she was just, like, amped, she was excited. 862 00:45:43,699 --> 00:45:45,868 She thought this was her brea. 863 00:45:45,868 --> 00:45:48,454 We were like, "You need to get R. Kelly on the phone." 864 00:45:48,454 --> 00:45:50,956 And so then we had a conversation with him 865 00:45:50,956 --> 00:45:54,960 that, first, we were not happy with what just had took place. 866 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:56,628 And that should not have transpired 867 00:45:56,628 --> 00:45:58,881 without one of her parents being present. 868 00:46:00,299 --> 00:46:01,842 ANGELO: And I asked him, you know, 869 00:46:01,842 --> 00:46:03,677 "Is this how you conduct business?" 870 00:46:03,677 --> 00:46:05,971 He was like, "No." He was leaving. 871 00:46:05,971 --> 00:46:07,306 You know, he thought it was okay. 872 00:46:07,306 --> 00:46:09,641 Azriel had assured that, you know, 873 00:46:09,641 --> 00:46:11,518 it wouldn't be a problem if she came over 874 00:46:11,518 --> 00:46:12,936 and did the interview now, 875 00:46:12,936 --> 00:46:15,856 and we were supposed to meet 'em over there. 876 00:46:15,856 --> 00:46:18,817 ALICE: We told her, like, basically, 877 00:46:18,817 --> 00:46:20,819 for you to do anything else with him, 878 00:46:20,819 --> 00:46:22,821 she cannot be with him by herself. 879 00:46:22,821 --> 00:46:25,365 Honestly, I didn't think it was a good fit. 880 00:46:25,365 --> 00:46:27,159 I didn't want to have any part of it, 881 00:46:27,159 --> 00:46:29,244 but Azriel actually pressed us. 882 00:46:29,244 --> 00:46:34,833 She made her little threats about if we didn't, you know, 883 00:46:34,833 --> 00:46:37,753 let her do this, what she would do. 884 00:46:37,753 --> 00:46:40,589 And now, looking back at it, 885 00:46:40,589 --> 00:46:41,840 he was very manipulative, so... 886 00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:43,675 It was-- it was a plot. It was his-- 887 00:46:43,675 --> 00:46:45,844 That's the strategy he did. 888 00:46:56,104 --> 00:46:57,898 MICHELLE: I'm about to go meet my daughter. 889 00:46:57,898 --> 00:46:59,525 She said go at 6:00, 890 00:46:59,525 --> 00:47:02,778 but I'm going to go now because I just need to know. 891 00:47:02,778 --> 00:47:05,531 I'm just anxious, and I just can't wait till no 6:00. 892 00:47:05,531 --> 00:47:07,282 PRODUCER: How you feeling right now? 893 00:47:07,282 --> 00:47:09,493 Nervous all over again, 894 00:47:09,493 --> 00:47:13,205 like five or six hours ago when we first went to the door. 895 00:47:13,205 --> 00:47:17,709 But, um, God didn't lead me here and then take it away. 896 00:47:17,709 --> 00:47:19,545 I came too close. 897 00:48:06,550 --> 00:48:08,010 MICHELLE: Yes, can I have 898 00:48:08,010 --> 00:48:10,679 Dominique Gardner's room, please? 899 00:48:10,679 --> 00:48:12,097 Hello? 900 00:48:12,097 --> 00:48:14,558 -Hey. -Hey. 901 00:48:16,602 --> 00:48:19,021 I came back to the hotel, and they said 902 00:48:19,021 --> 00:48:22,149 you called the police on me. 903 00:48:22,149 --> 00:48:23,191 I knew it wasn't you. 904 00:48:23,191 --> 00:48:25,110 So, what you want to do? 905 00:48:25,110 --> 00:48:27,946 'Cause, I mean, they said the police came and everything. 906 00:48:27,946 --> 00:48:30,240 And they said somebody keep calling. 907 00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:32,367 He could be lying. I don't know. 908 00:48:32,367 --> 00:48:34,453 But she didn't see me. 909 00:48:38,582 --> 00:48:40,167 She hung up. 910 00:48:42,419 --> 00:48:44,004 (bleep) 911 00:48:50,761 --> 00:48:52,262 I don't want to get ugly, 912 00:48:52,262 --> 00:48:54,222 but I ain't leaving this damn hotel. 913 00:48:54,222 --> 00:48:55,557 I done came too damn close. 914 00:48:55,557 --> 00:48:57,684 I'm this far. Are you kidding me? 915 00:49:28,924 --> 00:49:32,594 I went to the bathroom, I waited about ten or 15 minutes. 916 00:49:52,531 --> 00:49:55,367 She came in with a book bag, a wifebeater, 917 00:49:55,367 --> 00:49:57,619 some shorts, and some flip-flops with some socks on 918 00:49:57,619 --> 00:49:59,579 and a backpack, and that's all she had. 919 00:49:59,579 --> 00:50:03,458 And we ran out of there like the master was coming for us. 920 00:50:03,458 --> 00:50:05,043 -It's okay. -DOMINIQUE (crying): Okay. 921 00:50:05,043 --> 00:50:07,087 MICHELLE: Gabe said he loves you so much. Okay. 922 00:50:07,087 --> 00:50:08,755 DRIVER: You can ride in here, but turn the camera off. 923 00:50:08,755 --> 00:50:10,382 MICHELLE: No, I don't-- she don't want that. 924 00:50:10,382 --> 00:50:12,259 No, tell 'em to take-- Keep that camera over there. 925 00:50:12,259 --> 00:50:13,593 DRIVER: All right, get your bag. 926 00:50:13,593 --> 00:50:16,304 MICHELLE: Okay. Okay, baby. 927 00:50:16,304 --> 00:50:18,306 (both crying) 928 00:50:29,359 --> 00:50:31,361 DOMINIQUE: Okay. 929 00:50:32,446 --> 00:50:33,697 MICHELLE: You brave, okay. Look at me. 930 00:50:33,697 --> 00:50:37,200 Look at me. You brave. You so brave. 931 00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:38,493 You're so beautiful. 932 00:50:38,493 --> 00:50:40,412 This is God, you know that, right? 933 00:50:40,412 --> 00:50:42,205 You know that, right? Look at me, look at me. 934 00:50:42,205 --> 00:50:44,708 You know that was God. You was-- You didn't even think 935 00:50:44,708 --> 00:50:47,085 I was coming for you, did you? Did you? 936 00:50:47,085 --> 00:50:49,087 (Dominique crying) 937 00:50:55,802 --> 00:50:57,846 MICHELLE: You're so happy. I'm happy for you. 938 00:50:57,846 --> 00:50:59,723 Look, this the best... 939 00:50:59,723 --> 00:51:01,141 I know. I love you, too. 940 00:51:03,643 --> 00:51:05,687 I know, baby, I know. 941 00:51:05,687 --> 00:51:08,398 But you did good, baby. 942 00:51:17,699 --> 00:51:19,576 The best feeling. 943 00:51:19,576 --> 00:51:21,119 Like having a newborn baby, 944 00:51:21,119 --> 00:51:24,122 and the doctor giving you your baby... 945 00:51:24,122 --> 00:51:26,958 that you carried for nine months. 946 00:51:30,504 --> 00:51:32,506 ♪ ♪ 947 00:51:34,466 --> 00:51:36,176 There's three drugs out there: 948 00:51:36,176 --> 00:51:40,680 crack, heroin, and R. Kelly. 949 00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:42,641 And she was trying to fight that drug. 950 00:51:42,641 --> 00:51:44,392 ♪ ♪ 951 00:51:44,392 --> 00:51:46,269 She have seen some stuff. 952 00:51:46,269 --> 00:51:47,813 She done did some stuff. 953 00:51:47,813 --> 00:51:52,150 And I believe that he have said some things to even 954 00:51:52,150 --> 00:51:54,236 maybe try to come harm to her family, 955 00:51:54,236 --> 00:51:56,613 or all the girls' family. 956 00:52:00,742 --> 00:52:03,787 She don't understand how many people love her. 957 00:52:03,787 --> 00:52:05,872 But his sick ass always make them think 958 00:52:05,872 --> 00:52:08,250 that nobody loves you but him. 959 00:52:08,250 --> 00:52:10,502 And, um, I told her 960 00:52:10,502 --> 00:52:11,962 wasn't nothing gonna ever happen to her. 961 00:52:11,962 --> 00:52:13,880 And I meant that. 962 00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,019 R. Kelly, I'm gonna call the police and tell them 963 00:52:28,019 --> 00:52:29,145 you kidnapped my sister. 964 00:52:29,145 --> 00:52:30,981 -Azriel! -(door creaks) 965 00:52:30,981 --> 00:52:33,483 This room right here was, like, the most 966 00:52:33,483 --> 00:52:35,819 degrading thing ever. 967 00:52:35,819 --> 00:52:37,654 This is just... 968 00:52:37,654 --> 00:52:39,990 You're not addressing these allegations. 969 00:52:39,990 --> 00:52:41,783 WOMAN: Mute R. Kelly! 970 00:52:41,783 --> 00:52:43,118 And so we decided to protest. 971 00:52:43,118 --> 00:52:44,536 -Black girls'... -PROTESTERS: Black girls'... 972 00:52:44,536 --> 00:52:46,329 WOMAN: ...lives matter! 973 00:52:46,329 --> 00:52:47,414 This interview is over. 974 00:52:47,414 --> 00:52:49,040 JOHN LEGEND: Time's up for R. Kelly. 975 00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:50,083 Time's up for that. 976 00:52:50,083 --> 00:52:51,835 PROTESTERS: Mute R. Kelly! 977 00:52:51,835 --> 00:52:53,503 Mute R. Kelly!