1 00:00:14,764 --> 00:00:18,017 Initially, I met R. Kelly by going to his trial. 2 00:00:18,017 --> 00:00:21,604 I met him when I was 14, and I was, like, on the fence, 3 00:00:21,604 --> 00:00:23,314 and I wanted to know, like, 4 00:00:23,314 --> 00:00:25,734 did he really do what everyone said he did? 5 00:00:25,734 --> 00:00:29,195 Here is a man who is going on trial for having sex 6 00:00:29,195 --> 00:00:30,780 with an underage girl, 7 00:00:30,780 --> 00:00:32,991 and yet you had women not supporting the victim, 8 00:00:32,991 --> 00:00:35,785 but supporting the guy who's going on trial. 9 00:00:35,785 --> 00:00:39,247 I screamed at the top of my lungs, 10 00:00:39,247 --> 00:00:41,791 "What is wrong with this person?" 11 00:00:41,791 --> 00:00:46,671 His poor decisions have ruined so many lives. 12 00:00:46,671 --> 00:00:49,048 He destroyed my family. 13 00:00:55,638 --> 00:00:57,599 (audience cheering) 14 00:01:15,533 --> 00:01:17,035 LISA: When we first started having sex, 15 00:01:17,035 --> 00:01:18,787 Rob was behind the camera, 16 00:01:18,787 --> 00:01:23,500 and I started popping the tapes in to see what was on them. 17 00:01:23,500 --> 00:01:26,002 But I came across the one with me, him, 18 00:01:26,002 --> 00:01:27,504 and the 14-year-old. 19 00:01:29,088 --> 00:01:30,340 Bootleg copies of the tape start 20 00:01:30,340 --> 00:01:32,717 showing up around the country. 21 00:01:32,717 --> 00:01:34,844 This is the one that makes it 22 00:01:34,844 --> 00:01:37,806 almost impossible for people to pretend 23 00:01:37,806 --> 00:01:40,725 that they did not know that this person 24 00:01:40,725 --> 00:01:42,560 had a thing for little girls. 25 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:46,147 SPARKLE: Chicago Sun-Times contacted me 26 00:01:46,147 --> 00:01:47,607 to view tapes 27 00:01:47,607 --> 00:01:50,443 that possibly had girls on it 28 00:01:50,443 --> 00:01:52,153 that I may have known. 29 00:01:52,153 --> 00:01:54,823 That was her, my niece, for sure. 30 00:01:54,823 --> 00:01:56,282 And that was him. 31 00:01:56,282 --> 00:01:58,701 NEWS ANCHOR: Police are investigating a video 32 00:01:58,701 --> 00:02:00,745 allegedly showing the R & B singer having sex 33 00:02:00,745 --> 00:02:02,872 with a 14-year-old girl. 34 00:02:02,872 --> 00:02:04,999 POLICE CHIEF: The Chicago Police Department 35 00:02:04,999 --> 00:02:06,835 is currently seeking to arrest Mr. Kelly. 36 00:02:12,006 --> 00:02:14,843 RADIO HOST: Radio stations WTMG, Magic 101.3 37 00:02:14,843 --> 00:02:18,263 and WKZY Lite Rock 106.9 38 00:02:18,263 --> 00:02:22,225 will immediately end all airplay of Kelly's songs. 39 00:02:28,147 --> 00:02:32,819 PALLASCH: R. Kelly is arrested on the Chicago charges. 40 00:02:32,819 --> 00:02:36,739 The charges they filed against him were not 41 00:02:36,739 --> 00:02:39,742 statutory rape charges; they filed 42 00:02:39,742 --> 00:02:41,619 child pornography charges. 43 00:02:41,619 --> 00:02:44,038 It's the same penalties 44 00:02:44,038 --> 00:02:47,000 but is easier to prove if you cannot 45 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:48,751 pin it down to a specific date. 46 00:02:48,751 --> 00:02:50,587 There was no date on the tape. 47 00:02:50,587 --> 00:02:52,171 JOURNALIST: What about the child porn charges? 48 00:02:52,171 --> 00:02:53,631 Not right now, guys. 49 00:02:53,631 --> 00:02:55,383 -(indistinct shouting) -WOMAN: R. Kelly! 50 00:02:55,383 --> 00:02:57,051 PALLASCH: He ultimately had to face the charges 51 00:02:57,051 --> 00:02:58,386 in a Chicago courtroom. 52 00:03:00,597 --> 00:03:04,601 He pleads not guilty and posts his bail, 53 00:03:04,601 --> 00:03:06,394 and he's released. 54 00:03:09,939 --> 00:03:12,150 After R. Kelly pleads not guilty, 55 00:03:12,150 --> 00:03:16,946 he goes straight to a South Side church, 56 00:03:16,946 --> 00:03:18,364 he goes straight to an event 57 00:03:18,364 --> 00:03:21,159 where he is admired by young children. 58 00:03:21,159 --> 00:03:23,786 Here he is being prosecuted 59 00:03:23,786 --> 00:03:27,290 for allegedly having sex with an underage girl, 60 00:03:27,290 --> 00:03:31,085 and ministers, civil rights leaders in the city of Chicago 61 00:03:31,085 --> 00:03:34,672 wanted to play up the side of him 62 00:03:34,672 --> 00:03:37,383 that did the "I Believe I Can Fly," 63 00:03:37,383 --> 00:03:40,303 and not the side of him with the raunchy lyrics 64 00:03:40,303 --> 00:03:42,722 that kind of went along with possibly having sex 65 00:03:42,722 --> 00:03:44,599 with an underage girl. 66 00:03:44,599 --> 00:03:49,312 And it really speaks to the duplicity of R. Kelly. 67 00:03:50,855 --> 00:03:53,107 KATHY CHANEY: Kelly posted bail, 68 00:03:53,107 --> 00:03:57,362 um, and was allowed to continue to, you know, travel 69 00:03:57,362 --> 00:04:00,907 during the legal fight that he was facing. 70 00:04:00,907 --> 00:04:02,867 There's no surprise that he continued 71 00:04:02,867 --> 00:04:04,410 business as usual every day. 72 00:04:04,410 --> 00:04:06,621 (audience cheering) 73 00:04:14,629 --> 00:04:18,299 (distorted): I met him back in the early '90s 74 00:04:18,299 --> 00:04:22,262 and started doing odd jobs for him. 75 00:04:22,262 --> 00:04:25,682 I was friends with him during the trial and the sex tape. 76 00:04:25,682 --> 00:04:28,393 During that time, I was believing him 77 00:04:28,393 --> 00:04:30,019 when he said it wasn't him. 78 00:04:30,019 --> 00:04:31,437 That was the story. 79 00:04:31,437 --> 00:04:32,897 I believed it wasn't him 80 00:04:32,897 --> 00:04:34,941 because I had never seen the tape. 81 00:04:34,941 --> 00:04:37,944 However, there were some people who were around 82 00:04:37,944 --> 00:04:42,573 who had actually seen the girl, who would later say, you know, 83 00:04:42,573 --> 00:04:45,034 well, she was around and even when the trial 84 00:04:45,034 --> 00:04:48,037 was going on, he would still have her around. 85 00:04:48,037 --> 00:04:51,249 But those stories didn't start to come out until later. 86 00:04:51,249 --> 00:04:54,127 You know, people in the, in the camp 87 00:04:54,127 --> 00:04:57,130 would start to talk about it. 88 00:04:57,130 --> 00:04:59,257 About a year later, after R. Kelly was arrested 89 00:04:59,257 --> 00:05:02,927 on the 21 counts, he was, um, arrested again. 90 00:05:02,927 --> 00:05:05,847 He was in Miami and it was on additional porn charges. 91 00:05:09,142 --> 00:05:11,185 POLICE OFFICER: We seized, at that time, camera equipment 92 00:05:11,185 --> 00:05:13,479 and 12 digital photos 93 00:05:13,479 --> 00:05:15,481 which we believe to be child pornography. 94 00:05:15,481 --> 00:05:17,108 OFFICER 2: Do you understand that anything you say 95 00:05:17,108 --> 00:05:20,319 can and may be used against you? 96 00:05:20,319 --> 00:05:22,363 SPARKLE: I remember being at my brother 97 00:05:22,363 --> 00:05:23,948 and sister-in-law's house, 98 00:05:23,948 --> 00:05:29,287 and the detectives showing us stills. 99 00:05:29,287 --> 00:05:31,664 It wasn't a pretty sight. 100 00:05:35,209 --> 00:05:38,087 They showed my niece, 101 00:05:38,087 --> 00:05:43,009 Robert, and another young lady... 102 00:05:43,009 --> 00:05:45,011 intertwined. 103 00:05:45,011 --> 00:05:48,848 And I screamed at the top of my lungs, 104 00:05:48,848 --> 00:05:51,142 "What the (bleep) is going on? What is going on? 105 00:05:51,142 --> 00:05:53,394 What is wrong with this person?" 106 00:05:57,732 --> 00:06:00,234 RICHARD DEVINE: Unfortunately, the judge down in Florida 107 00:06:00,234 --> 00:06:02,779 concluded that the police did not have 108 00:06:02,779 --> 00:06:05,823 appropriate reason to search the area where they found 109 00:06:05,823 --> 00:06:10,244 the materials and the camera, uh, so tossed out that evidence. 110 00:06:10,244 --> 00:06:13,873 And then the Florida case eventually was dropped. 111 00:06:16,250 --> 00:06:18,669 In the middle of all of the-these allegations, 112 00:06:18,669 --> 00:06:20,630 R. Kelly is just dropping music. 113 00:06:20,630 --> 00:06:24,050 Big song he released, "Ignition," the remix. 114 00:06:24,050 --> 00:06:26,344 ♪ It's the remix to "Ignition" ♪ 115 00:06:26,344 --> 00:06:29,013 ♪ Hot and fresh out the kitchen. ♪ 116 00:06:29,013 --> 00:06:33,226 It deterred us away from all of the allegations, 117 00:06:33,226 --> 00:06:36,521 and our focus then became on this music. 118 00:06:36,521 --> 00:06:38,731 After that video came out... (chuckles) 119 00:06:38,731 --> 00:06:40,191 his career should've been over. 120 00:06:40,191 --> 00:06:41,567 "Oh, he's still gonna put records out, 121 00:06:41,567 --> 00:06:42,860 and people are still gonna buy 'em?" And they did. 122 00:06:42,860 --> 00:06:44,904 NEWS ANCHOR: Kelly has lost nothing 123 00:06:44,904 --> 00:06:47,990 in terms of fan support, in terms of the many thousands 124 00:06:47,990 --> 00:06:51,244 of men and women who continue to support their R & B hero. 125 00:06:51,244 --> 00:06:53,246 (cheering, screaming) 126 00:06:57,959 --> 00:07:00,837 MITCHELL: The albums were still selling 127 00:07:00,837 --> 00:07:03,464 because the community, for all intents and purposes, 128 00:07:03,464 --> 00:07:04,924 were still supporting him. 129 00:07:04,924 --> 00:07:06,843 And then came Chocolate Factory, 130 00:07:06,843 --> 00:07:09,971 which debuted at number one on the Billboard charts. 131 00:07:12,306 --> 00:07:16,727 R. Kelly drops the most undeniable hit of his career 132 00:07:16,727 --> 00:07:18,563 at exactly the same moment he's on trial 133 00:07:18,563 --> 00:07:23,276 for these unfathomable crimes. 134 00:07:23,276 --> 00:07:25,570 And then he came with "Step in the Name of Love." 135 00:07:25,570 --> 00:07:27,363 ♪ I know ♪ 136 00:07:27,363 --> 00:07:32,827 ♪ That it's somebody's birthday tonight. ♪ 137 00:07:32,827 --> 00:07:35,288 When R. Kelly released "Step in the Name of Love," 138 00:07:35,288 --> 00:07:37,915 it's sort of in this tradition of black family music. 139 00:07:37,915 --> 00:07:39,750 We have these songs that become songs 140 00:07:39,750 --> 00:07:42,003 that are anthem-like in the black community. 141 00:07:42,003 --> 00:07:45,131 It's the song that you dance to at weddings, a family reunion. 142 00:07:45,131 --> 00:07:48,467 It gave him another layer of-of covering. 143 00:07:48,467 --> 00:07:50,261 That song that they love 144 00:07:50,261 --> 00:07:52,680 is connected to a moment in their life, 145 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,099 whether they got married to one of his songs 146 00:07:55,099 --> 00:07:57,727 or they had their first dance to one of the songs. 147 00:07:57,727 --> 00:07:59,645 I think we love nothing more than the success story, 148 00:07:59,645 --> 00:08:01,189 a rebound story. 149 00:08:01,189 --> 00:08:04,442 I think that, again, largely in the black community, 150 00:08:04,442 --> 00:08:07,278 he was not thought of as guilty, 151 00:08:07,278 --> 00:08:09,822 even though the evidence was there. 152 00:08:09,822 --> 00:08:12,241 "Nobody's gonna stop this train. You can't stop me. 153 00:08:12,241 --> 00:08:14,243 "I'm still out of jail, I'm free as a bird, 154 00:08:14,243 --> 00:08:16,204 "so I'm gonna make this music, I'm gonna get it out, 155 00:08:16,204 --> 00:08:18,915 "and I'm gonna prove that you guys love me so much 156 00:08:18,915 --> 00:08:20,791 "that no matter what I do, 157 00:08:20,791 --> 00:08:22,543 you're still going to praise me." 158 00:08:22,543 --> 00:08:25,379 And that's kind of like what it felt like. 159 00:08:25,379 --> 00:08:30,718 You never really knew what to believe, but you knew that you, 160 00:08:30,718 --> 00:08:34,138 in a way, felt sorry for his wife. 161 00:08:34,138 --> 00:08:35,932 Andrea Kelly's mother called me. 162 00:08:35,932 --> 00:08:39,477 She was concerned about not hearing from her daughter. 163 00:08:39,477 --> 00:08:43,105 That was very dark for her, very rough, 164 00:08:43,105 --> 00:08:46,359 not knowing what the outcome could be. 165 00:08:46,359 --> 00:08:49,111 ANDREA: He denied it for the longest time. 166 00:08:49,111 --> 00:08:50,821 Like, "Drea, it's not what you think. 167 00:08:50,821 --> 00:08:54,325 They're lying on me, somebody set me up." 168 00:08:54,325 --> 00:08:57,995 I finally realized it doesn't get better. 169 00:08:57,995 --> 00:08:59,664 It gets worse. 170 00:08:59,664 --> 00:09:02,917 I had small children. 171 00:09:02,917 --> 00:09:06,254 They were already dealing with their father in the news, 172 00:09:06,254 --> 00:09:10,341 having a court case that deals with pedophilia and children. 173 00:09:10,341 --> 00:09:15,471 And I remember going out on the balcony 174 00:09:15,471 --> 00:09:18,474 and climbing up on the ledge. 175 00:09:18,474 --> 00:09:21,102 Like, "God, I can't take another day. 176 00:09:21,102 --> 00:09:23,646 I can't do this anymore." 177 00:09:23,646 --> 00:09:27,149 He had taken me to a place 178 00:09:27,149 --> 00:09:30,111 that I was willing to leave my babies. 179 00:09:31,946 --> 00:09:34,782 So I just prayed and asked God for a sign. 180 00:09:34,782 --> 00:09:38,327 And something said to get my laptop, and I went 181 00:09:38,327 --> 00:09:41,789 to the National Domestic Violence Awareness Hotline. 182 00:09:41,789 --> 00:09:45,876 And there's 17 questions. 183 00:09:45,876 --> 00:09:49,213 There was only two things on that list 184 00:09:49,213 --> 00:09:52,508 that Robert hadn't done to me. 185 00:09:55,845 --> 00:09:59,515 And that's when it became real to me, like... 186 00:09:59,515 --> 00:10:03,144 "Drea, you're being abused." 187 00:10:05,229 --> 00:10:07,231 DR. JODY ADEWALE: We often look at women 188 00:10:07,231 --> 00:10:09,358 and we blame them. We say, "All you have to do is leave. 189 00:10:09,358 --> 00:10:10,818 All you have to do is-is walk out." 190 00:10:10,818 --> 00:10:12,486 But it's not that simple. 191 00:10:12,486 --> 00:10:15,323 There are psychological blocks that an individual has 192 00:10:15,323 --> 00:10:18,576 that have been fed throughout the whole situation 193 00:10:18,576 --> 00:10:20,244 that stops them from leaving. 194 00:10:20,244 --> 00:10:23,289 It takes about seven tries for a girl 195 00:10:23,289 --> 00:10:26,000 to successfully leave her abuser for good. 196 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,211 That statistic tells us how difficult it is, often, 197 00:10:29,211 --> 00:10:31,339 to pull away from these relationships. 198 00:10:35,551 --> 00:10:37,636 ANDREA: The day 199 00:10:37,636 --> 00:10:40,765 that I left Robert... 200 00:10:40,765 --> 00:10:44,018 I was like any other woman. 201 00:10:44,018 --> 00:10:47,938 Running in the middle of the night. 202 00:10:47,938 --> 00:10:50,775 $2,500, a duffle bag, 203 00:10:50,775 --> 00:10:55,154 my three babies, and nothing else. 204 00:10:55,154 --> 00:10:58,324 He has all the money. "Where you going 205 00:10:58,324 --> 00:11:00,743 with three babies?" 206 00:11:00,743 --> 00:11:04,372 No money. 207 00:11:04,372 --> 00:11:06,999 But I would rather die, 208 00:11:06,999 --> 00:11:11,962 knowing that I tried to get away from him, 209 00:11:11,962 --> 00:11:14,590 than to die right there in the house 210 00:11:14,590 --> 00:11:19,303 because I didn't have the courage to leave. 211 00:11:19,303 --> 00:11:23,391 Robert, you know what you did. 212 00:11:24,934 --> 00:11:28,187 You know the turmoil you brought into my kids' life. 213 00:11:28,187 --> 00:11:33,901 You destroyed Christmases, birthdays, graduations. 214 00:11:33,901 --> 00:11:37,863 It's because of you, Robert, that my children were told 215 00:11:37,863 --> 00:11:39,907 they can't sit at the lunch table. 216 00:11:39,907 --> 00:11:43,035 "'Cause your daddy rapes little girls." 217 00:11:43,035 --> 00:11:46,080 You can deny all you want to. 218 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,708 And for that, you can go to hell. 219 00:12:00,469 --> 00:12:03,055 (audience cheering) 220 00:12:05,933 --> 00:12:07,852 GEORGE: At the time that tape came out, 221 00:12:07,852 --> 00:12:11,355 R. Kelly was the biggest artist in R & B 222 00:12:11,355 --> 00:12:13,482 and arguably one of the biggest artists 223 00:12:13,482 --> 00:12:14,650 in the recording industry at that time, 224 00:12:14,650 --> 00:12:16,152 in terms of actual record sales. 225 00:12:16,152 --> 00:12:18,988 I can't remember any 226 00:12:18,988 --> 00:12:21,824 artists speaking out against Robert, 227 00:12:21,824 --> 00:12:23,993 regarding this tape. 228 00:12:23,993 --> 00:12:28,664 It made me feel like I didn't want 229 00:12:28,664 --> 00:12:32,543 to be a part of this industry that 230 00:12:32,543 --> 00:12:35,880 I had grown to love. 231 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,883 WENDY WILLIAMS: This is an industry where anything goes. 232 00:12:38,883 --> 00:12:42,344 And... before you know it, 233 00:12:42,344 --> 00:12:43,762 you are all sucked in. 234 00:12:43,762 --> 00:12:48,392 At what cost? At what cost? 235 00:12:48,392 --> 00:12:50,728 It would have been a difficult decision, right? 236 00:12:50,728 --> 00:12:52,771 When we go... (chuckles) when we go to the chairman 237 00:12:52,771 --> 00:12:54,899 and say, "Should we keep R. Kelly?" 238 00:12:54,899 --> 00:12:57,818 And he's like, "Well, how much is he generating?" 239 00:12:57,818 --> 00:12:59,653 And he's like, "Well, yeah, but, you know, 240 00:12:59,653 --> 00:13:02,698 he-he might've statutorily raped a couple... girls," 241 00:13:02,698 --> 00:13:03,908 and like... 242 00:13:03,908 --> 00:13:05,826 "Yeah, but how much is he generating?" 243 00:13:07,703 --> 00:13:10,706 GEORGE: So there's a whole world of people, 244 00:13:10,706 --> 00:13:13,501 people close to him, people in the industry, 245 00:13:13,501 --> 00:13:16,504 who he is a-- he's a font of money. 246 00:13:16,504 --> 00:13:18,547 Getting him on your radio station means ratings, 247 00:13:18,547 --> 00:13:20,591 getting him in your concert venue means money, 248 00:13:20,591 --> 00:13:23,552 and because the thing dragged on 249 00:13:23,552 --> 00:13:25,179 some insane amount of time, 250 00:13:25,179 --> 00:13:27,097 it gave him breathing room 251 00:13:27,097 --> 00:13:28,974 to rebuild a lot of those relationships. 252 00:13:28,974 --> 00:13:32,561 And so then he does this weird "Trapped in the Closet" stuff. 253 00:13:32,561 --> 00:13:34,522 ♪ He opens the door ♪ 254 00:13:34,522 --> 00:13:37,233 ♪ I can't believe it's a man ♪ 255 00:13:37,233 --> 00:13:39,944 ♪ Man, man, man. ♪ 256 00:13:39,944 --> 00:13:41,987 If he hadn't done "Trapped in the Closet," 257 00:13:41,987 --> 00:13:44,573 I think his career would've been really in trouble a lot earlier. 258 00:13:44,573 --> 00:13:47,618 Like a lot of his music, it's very much telling on himself. 259 00:13:47,618 --> 00:13:49,537 It's a whole thing about a man 260 00:13:49,537 --> 00:13:51,914 and-and different people trying to deal 261 00:13:51,914 --> 00:13:53,874 with whoever they really are 262 00:13:53,874 --> 00:13:58,712 and being constantly surprised at-at how debased they are 263 00:13:58,712 --> 00:14:00,714 and how debased the world is around them. 264 00:14:00,714 --> 00:14:02,424 POWERS: I think, at some point, he probably 265 00:14:02,424 --> 00:14:05,928 figured out that playing sex for laughs was 266 00:14:05,928 --> 00:14:08,597 a way that he could continue 267 00:14:08,597 --> 00:14:10,766 to avoid absolute condemnation 268 00:14:10,766 --> 00:14:13,227 for what he might've been doing behind the scenes. 269 00:14:13,227 --> 00:14:17,606 LEMIEUX: He wasn't as much a guilty pleasure, I think, 270 00:14:17,606 --> 00:14:19,024 for audiences at this point, 271 00:14:19,024 --> 00:14:22,236 as he was like a bad boy, like an antihero. 272 00:14:22,236 --> 00:14:23,862 You know, like, y-you know that he's bad, 273 00:14:23,862 --> 00:14:25,447 you know that he's dirty. 274 00:14:25,447 --> 00:14:29,410 The accusations are now a part of pop culture as much as he is. 275 00:14:29,410 --> 00:14:32,246 We, at this point, have seen Dave Chappelle's 276 00:14:32,246 --> 00:14:35,249 -"Pee On You" sketch. -♪ I want to piss on you ♪ 277 00:14:35,249 --> 00:14:36,834 -(audience laughs) -♪ Yes, I do ♪ 278 00:14:36,834 --> 00:14:40,588 ♪ I'll piss on you, I'll pee on you. ♪ 279 00:14:40,588 --> 00:14:42,923 We've seen the "Trial of R. Kelly" episode on The Boondocks. 280 00:14:42,923 --> 00:14:44,675 Uh, you there, urban youth, 281 00:14:44,675 --> 00:14:46,927 why do you think R. Kelly is innocent? 282 00:14:46,927 --> 00:14:50,431 If I started peeing on you right now, would you: 283 00:14:50,431 --> 00:14:55,227 A) smile and ask for more, or B) move the hell out the way? 284 00:14:55,227 --> 00:14:57,605 We associate him with urinating on somebody. 285 00:14:57,605 --> 00:14:59,106 That's a punch line. That's a joke. 286 00:15:04,862 --> 00:15:07,281 PALLASCH: As the years go by, 287 00:15:07,281 --> 00:15:11,452 there's never any trial date set for the Chicago charges, 288 00:15:11,452 --> 00:15:14,788 and we're wondering, what is taking so long? 289 00:15:14,788 --> 00:15:17,291 This has never happened. No one can think of a case 290 00:15:17,291 --> 00:15:20,210 that has gone on for year after year after year like this. 291 00:15:20,210 --> 00:15:24,381 It's in R. Kelly's interest to have this delayed 292 00:15:24,381 --> 00:15:26,216 as long as possible. 293 00:15:26,216 --> 00:15:27,718 You'd much rather have 294 00:15:27,718 --> 00:15:29,845 a 21-year-old girl on the stad 295 00:15:29,845 --> 00:15:32,389 than a 14-year-old girl on the stand. 296 00:15:32,389 --> 00:15:35,267 The right to a speedy trial under the U.S. Constitution 297 00:15:35,267 --> 00:15:37,978 is-is-is sort of a right guaranteed to the defendant. 298 00:15:37,978 --> 00:15:41,774 So if the defendant thinks that things 299 00:15:41,774 --> 00:15:44,568 are dragging on too long, the defendant can say, 300 00:15:44,568 --> 00:15:46,403 "Hey, I have a right to a speedy trial. 301 00:15:46,403 --> 00:15:49,073 We have to go to trial in the next 60 days, whatever." 302 00:15:49,073 --> 00:15:52,159 R. Kelly never took advantage of that. 303 00:15:52,159 --> 00:15:56,163 Rob's team put it off for all those years 304 00:15:56,163 --> 00:15:58,749 because if it wasn't fresh in people's mind, 305 00:15:58,749 --> 00:16:00,918 uh, you know, they wouldn't really be concerned 306 00:16:00,918 --> 00:16:02,461 with what was going on. 307 00:16:08,717 --> 00:16:11,637 REPORTER: The long-delayed child pornography trial begins. 308 00:16:11,637 --> 00:16:14,431 Kelly is accused of videotaping himself having sex 309 00:16:14,431 --> 00:16:16,100 with an underage girl some time 310 00:16:16,100 --> 00:16:19,353 between January 1998 and November 2000. 311 00:16:19,353 --> 00:16:22,564 Kelly's defense team contends it is not Kelly on the tape. 312 00:16:22,564 --> 00:16:25,067 I just want to say, y'all need to leave him alone. 313 00:16:25,067 --> 00:16:26,527 That's not R. Kelly. 314 00:16:26,527 --> 00:16:28,237 One of the things 315 00:16:28,237 --> 00:16:30,447 that was laughable, uh, 316 00:16:30,447 --> 00:16:32,157 with Robert trying to profess his innocence, 317 00:16:32,157 --> 00:16:34,868 was that that was his brother Carey on the tape. 318 00:16:38,539 --> 00:16:41,250 He definitely does not look like Robert. 319 00:16:41,250 --> 00:16:42,751 You can tell them apart. 320 00:16:42,751 --> 00:16:44,878 That was laughable to me because I'm like, 321 00:16:44,878 --> 00:16:47,715 "Really? You-You're gonna throw your brother there now?" 322 00:16:47,715 --> 00:16:50,050 It seemed sort of like a Hail Mary pass to try and say 323 00:16:50,050 --> 00:16:51,719 it could be his brother there on the tape. 324 00:16:54,888 --> 00:16:56,807 CAREY: He never said it out of his mouth, 325 00:16:56,807 --> 00:17:01,228 but his legal team did, so I had to speak out 326 00:17:01,228 --> 00:17:03,814 to defend myself, my character, 327 00:17:03,814 --> 00:17:06,650 you know, um, 328 00:17:06,650 --> 00:17:08,652 and so I did. 329 00:17:08,652 --> 00:17:11,238 WILLIAMS: If you're just turning on your radio, 330 00:17:11,238 --> 00:17:14,324 we're talking to Carey Kelly, R. Kelly's younger brother. 331 00:17:14,324 --> 00:17:16,410 You did a body double 332 00:17:16,410 --> 00:17:19,621 for your big brother Robert in "Your Body's Callin'" 333 00:17:19,621 --> 00:17:21,665 and things kind of turned, 334 00:17:21,665 --> 00:17:23,000 I mean, a little ugly 335 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:24,418 when this whole child molestation thing 336 00:17:24,418 --> 00:17:25,878 -came into play. -CAREY: Mm-hmm. 337 00:17:25,878 --> 00:17:27,671 WILLIAMS: People were trying to say it was you. 338 00:17:27,671 --> 00:17:30,132 CAREY: His attorney said that it was me in the videotape. 339 00:17:30,132 --> 00:17:32,009 -WILLIAMS: What? -CAREY: That was made-- that was their argument. 340 00:17:32,009 --> 00:17:33,427 He never came forth and said, 341 00:17:33,427 --> 00:17:35,179 "Hey, you know, what y'all hearing is not true." 342 00:17:35,179 --> 00:17:36,597 WILLIAMS: "I am not a child molester, 343 00:17:36,597 --> 00:17:38,515 but it definitely wasn't my brother in that video." 344 00:17:38,515 --> 00:17:39,933 CAREY: Exactly. Exactly. 345 00:17:39,933 --> 00:17:42,186 And when my kids started getting teased at school. 346 00:17:42,186 --> 00:17:43,437 I have a 15-year-old daughter... 347 00:17:43,437 --> 00:17:44,646 WILLIAMS: Oh, God. 348 00:17:44,646 --> 00:17:46,106 ...that got stomped by 15 girls. 349 00:17:46,106 --> 00:17:47,775 I made police reports, the whole nine. 350 00:17:47,775 --> 00:17:50,319 She was just defending her father. That's it. 351 00:17:50,319 --> 00:17:52,404 WILLIAMS: So tell me what you saw on this tape 352 00:17:52,404 --> 00:17:54,656 with these 12-year-old girls. Why do we say that they're 12? 353 00:17:54,656 --> 00:17:55,866 CAREY: Well, because he's, like, 354 00:17:55,866 --> 00:17:57,326 he was interviewing them on these tapes. 355 00:17:57,326 --> 00:17:58,786 WILLIAMS: So, the girls were on there 356 00:17:58,786 --> 00:18:00,370 being interviewed by him, and he-- they're saying 357 00:18:00,370 --> 00:18:02,498 their real names and that they're 12 years old. 358 00:18:02,498 --> 00:18:04,500 -You see the sex and all like that. -CAREY: Right. 359 00:18:04,500 --> 00:18:06,376 WILLIAMS: You think your brother's gonna do jail time? 360 00:18:06,376 --> 00:18:08,337 Or do you think he's going to get off? 361 00:18:08,337 --> 00:18:10,172 CAREY: Well, my opinion is this: 362 00:18:10,172 --> 00:18:12,257 what's done in the dark shall come to the light, 363 00:18:12,257 --> 00:18:15,385 and everybody on this earth got to pay for what they've done, 364 00:18:15,385 --> 00:18:17,846 -even if he don't do jail time. -WILLIAMS: Wow. 365 00:18:17,846 --> 00:18:19,848 CAREY: He still got to pay for what he done. 366 00:18:19,848 --> 00:18:24,353 So I spoke out and said, "Hey, that's not me. That's not me." 367 00:18:24,353 --> 00:18:26,188 You know, I have nothing to do with that. 368 00:18:26,188 --> 00:18:28,816 I took it further and said other things that... 369 00:18:28,816 --> 00:18:30,734 that I had no knowledge of. 370 00:18:30,734 --> 00:18:34,530 I was just saying things to actually hurt him, to be honest. 371 00:18:34,530 --> 00:18:37,491 I was saying things that I heard other people saying. 372 00:18:37,491 --> 00:18:41,245 He's a pedophile. He-He's, you know, he-he has molested girls. 373 00:18:41,245 --> 00:18:43,330 So I was saying that because that's what I heard. 374 00:18:43,330 --> 00:18:45,040 I never saw it. 375 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:46,291 BRUCE KELLY: Robert simply asked Carey 376 00:18:46,291 --> 00:18:49,670 to tell the truth. 377 00:18:49,670 --> 00:18:52,214 Do a deposition with his attorneys 378 00:18:52,214 --> 00:18:56,176 that the things that he was saying was not true. 379 00:18:56,176 --> 00:18:59,263 And he said, "If you... 380 00:18:59,263 --> 00:19:01,890 "do this deposition with my attorneys, 381 00:19:01,890 --> 00:19:05,060 "I will give you $100,000 382 00:19:05,060 --> 00:19:08,355 and a one-record contract deal." 383 00:19:08,355 --> 00:19:12,526 I'll never understand that as long as I live. 384 00:19:12,526 --> 00:19:15,028 You could've been rich. 385 00:19:15,028 --> 00:19:19,032 I'll never understand that. 386 00:19:31,503 --> 00:19:33,505 CROWD: Free R. Kelly! 387 00:19:36,925 --> 00:19:38,385 (indistinct yelling) 388 00:19:38,385 --> 00:19:40,721 KIM JANSSEN: When the trial began, 389 00:19:40,721 --> 00:19:42,806 this was a big, major event. 390 00:19:42,806 --> 00:19:44,308 So it was a real circus. 391 00:19:44,308 --> 00:19:45,726 There was a lot of journalists there, 392 00:19:45,726 --> 00:19:48,979 probably a good 30, 40 journalists covering the trial. 393 00:19:48,979 --> 00:19:50,939 (overlapping shouting) 394 00:19:50,939 --> 00:19:52,441 I have one question. 395 00:19:52,441 --> 00:19:54,568 Where was the parents when the girl was getting (bleep)? 396 00:19:54,568 --> 00:19:55,944 MITCHELL: Women lined up, 397 00:19:55,944 --> 00:19:57,529 most of them African-American, 398 00:19:57,529 --> 00:20:00,490 they lined up to show support for R. Kelly. 399 00:20:00,490 --> 00:20:05,037 (overlapping shouting) 400 00:20:05,037 --> 00:20:06,455 He's not guilty at all. 401 00:20:06,455 --> 00:20:09,416 They just want to bring him down and kill his image. 402 00:20:09,416 --> 00:20:11,043 Not support for the victims. 403 00:20:11,043 --> 00:20:14,171 Not support for the young girl, whomever she was, on the tape. 404 00:20:14,171 --> 00:20:16,006 And that was shocking to many of us. 405 00:20:16,006 --> 00:20:18,091 (crowd cheering) 406 00:20:18,091 --> 00:20:19,718 CHANEY: There were young girls 407 00:20:19,718 --> 00:20:22,679 who were at the courthouse every single day 408 00:20:22,679 --> 00:20:24,806 for the trial. They were fans, 409 00:20:24,806 --> 00:20:29,519 but... somehow they... 410 00:20:29,519 --> 00:20:31,438 got to talk to him. 411 00:20:38,487 --> 00:20:40,989 JERHONDA: My name is Jerhonda Pace. 412 00:20:40,989 --> 00:20:43,075 I'm from Chicago. 413 00:20:45,786 --> 00:20:48,288 When I started going to Robert's trial, 414 00:20:48,288 --> 00:20:52,042 I was 14 years old. I was a freshman in high school. 415 00:20:52,042 --> 00:20:56,797 My mom, she was, like, that working single mom, 416 00:20:56,797 --> 00:20:58,674 so it was very easy for me to, 417 00:20:58,674 --> 00:21:00,717 uh, skip school and go to his trial 418 00:21:00,717 --> 00:21:02,970 and have my mom not even see it 419 00:21:02,970 --> 00:21:04,930 or have a clue that I was doing it. 420 00:21:04,930 --> 00:21:09,351 I went to his trial because I was a superfan at the time. 421 00:21:09,351 --> 00:21:12,145 And the fact that it was a trial that was open to the public, 422 00:21:12,145 --> 00:21:13,981 I was excited to go. 423 00:21:13,981 --> 00:21:17,693 I got the chance to engage in conversations with him. 424 00:21:17,693 --> 00:21:20,112 So I would just say, "Hey, good morning." 425 00:21:20,112 --> 00:21:21,530 He would speak back and I would tell him, 426 00:21:21,530 --> 00:21:22,572 you know, keep his head up. 427 00:21:22,572 --> 00:21:23,824 The same thing that I would say 428 00:21:23,824 --> 00:21:25,367 outside of the courthouse, 429 00:21:25,367 --> 00:21:28,870 and he would always thank me for my support. 430 00:21:28,870 --> 00:21:33,834 His eyes were always fixated on the young girls. 431 00:21:33,834 --> 00:21:36,670 So he would look and he would do, like, a smile 432 00:21:36,670 --> 00:21:39,715 and a nod, like, "Oh, okay, I see you." 433 00:21:39,715 --> 00:21:41,842 And it just made us, you know, 434 00:21:41,842 --> 00:21:43,593 wonder more and talk more of, like, 435 00:21:43,593 --> 00:21:48,265 you're on trial for this and you're allowing yourself to be 436 00:21:48,265 --> 00:21:52,519 enamored by young girls. 437 00:21:52,519 --> 00:21:54,730 I mean, it was just... 438 00:21:54,730 --> 00:21:57,566 I would want to say that we were surprised, but we weren't. 439 00:21:57,566 --> 00:21:59,526 It was mind-boggling. 440 00:21:59,526 --> 00:22:03,030 (crowd cheering, shouting) 441 00:22:03,030 --> 00:22:06,908 JOHN NORRIS: A former music protégée of Kelly, Sparkle, 442 00:22:06,908 --> 00:22:08,410 has publicly declared that the girl 443 00:22:08,410 --> 00:22:11,038 on the video is her young niece. 444 00:22:11,038 --> 00:22:13,123 I felt partially responsible 445 00:22:13,123 --> 00:22:16,668 because I introduced my family to him. 446 00:22:16,668 --> 00:22:20,505 And it felt like it happened on my watch. 447 00:22:20,505 --> 00:22:22,257 Robert's legal team was... 448 00:22:22,257 --> 00:22:25,385 basically trying to say that, you know, 449 00:22:25,385 --> 00:22:27,387 I just was out for money 450 00:22:27,387 --> 00:22:30,390 and, um, I was bitter. 451 00:22:30,390 --> 00:22:34,269 They offered me upwards... six figures, 452 00:22:34,269 --> 00:22:38,148 high in the six figures for me and Robert to have a sit-down 453 00:22:38,148 --> 00:22:40,192 with all media around us 454 00:22:40,192 --> 00:22:44,613 to say that "Sparkle and I are okay. 455 00:22:44,613 --> 00:22:46,365 We're 'Kum-Bah-Yah.'" 456 00:22:46,365 --> 00:22:49,451 I didn't take the money because I can't be bought. 457 00:22:49,451 --> 00:22:51,078 I'm-a stand up for my family. 458 00:22:53,830 --> 00:22:56,625 JANSSEN: The trial-- there was eight white jurors 459 00:22:56,625 --> 00:22:59,461 and four African-Americans. 460 00:22:59,461 --> 00:23:02,798 The atmosphere in the courtroom was... somber. 461 00:23:02,798 --> 00:23:05,425 We all understood we had to watch the-the film, 462 00:23:05,425 --> 00:23:07,469 that it was the-the central 463 00:23:07,469 --> 00:23:10,097 piece of evidence in this case, but nobody... 464 00:23:10,097 --> 00:23:11,640 nobody wants to watch that. 465 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:15,435 The prosecution-- their entire case was the tape. 466 00:23:17,312 --> 00:23:18,939 JANSSEN: They turned down the lights 467 00:23:18,939 --> 00:23:21,942 and they put it on, and it was... it's grim. 468 00:23:28,031 --> 00:23:30,117 You're sitting in a room 469 00:23:30,117 --> 00:23:33,203 with 50, 60 people watching child pornography. 470 00:23:35,288 --> 00:23:39,709 She's very obviously, like, a pubescent girl. 471 00:23:39,709 --> 00:23:42,587 It made me feel gross. 472 00:23:42,587 --> 00:23:45,465 During testimony today on the child pornography trial 473 00:23:45,465 --> 00:23:46,675 of singer R. Kelly, 474 00:23:46,675 --> 00:23:48,885 witness after witness identified those 475 00:23:48,885 --> 00:23:53,515 on that now infamous sex tape as the alleged victim and R. Kelly. 476 00:23:53,515 --> 00:23:57,394 So the prosecution had 14 witnesses. 477 00:23:59,396 --> 00:24:01,481 I just remember being terrified 478 00:24:01,481 --> 00:24:03,358 when I was called to the witness stand. 479 00:24:03,358 --> 00:24:06,653 But here's this person who I was great friends with, 480 00:24:06,653 --> 00:24:10,073 who's a great person, and all this is happening to her now. 481 00:24:10,073 --> 00:24:14,244 And I was trying to help the case by giving any 482 00:24:14,244 --> 00:24:17,164 specific details that I thought might really, 483 00:24:17,164 --> 00:24:20,458 you know, seal the deal and make sure that he was found guilty. 484 00:24:20,458 --> 00:24:24,379 They played the tape because they wanted it to be 485 00:24:24,379 --> 00:24:25,630 kind of fresh in my memory. 486 00:24:25,630 --> 00:24:27,257 And I remember, 487 00:24:27,257 --> 00:24:30,594 once again, just kind of getting maybe halfway through 488 00:24:30,594 --> 00:24:33,346 the whole tape and just breaking down and crying. 489 00:24:33,346 --> 00:24:35,557 JACQUES CONWAY: I testified in this trial 490 00:24:35,557 --> 00:24:38,685 because I coached her, I knew the parents. 491 00:24:38,685 --> 00:24:41,188 I knew everything about her. I can describe her. 492 00:24:41,188 --> 00:24:42,939 I picked her out as soon as I saw the video. 493 00:24:42,939 --> 00:24:46,693 But when I had a chance to speak with the mother, 494 00:24:46,693 --> 00:24:48,528 she said that's not her daughter. 495 00:24:51,948 --> 00:24:54,034 Her parents denied that this happened. 496 00:24:55,911 --> 00:24:58,205 It could be embarrassment. 497 00:24:58,205 --> 00:24:59,664 There's a lot of variables in that. 498 00:24:59,664 --> 00:25:01,958 To this day I can't put it on one, 499 00:25:01,958 --> 00:25:03,960 but I believe there was a combination of things 500 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,796 that affected how this outcome came about. 501 00:25:09,174 --> 00:25:11,384 LISA: I recognized 502 00:25:11,384 --> 00:25:13,053 the 14-year-old's body 503 00:25:13,053 --> 00:25:16,890 because I had had sex with her and Robert. 504 00:25:16,890 --> 00:25:19,267 So, you know, it was no doubt in my mind 505 00:25:19,267 --> 00:25:20,560 that it was her body. 506 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:24,314 I mean, we'd done oral on each other. 507 00:25:24,314 --> 00:25:26,775 I mean, I touched her breasts, 508 00:25:26,775 --> 00:25:29,778 I, you know, looked at, you know, those parts. 509 00:25:29,778 --> 00:25:32,072 So there was no doubt in my mind that it was her. 510 00:25:34,491 --> 00:25:35,992 SPARKLE: When I came forward, 511 00:25:35,992 --> 00:25:39,204 it was important to me to stand up 512 00:25:39,204 --> 00:25:42,582 and tell the truth during the trial 513 00:25:42,582 --> 00:25:47,045 and be a witness for the prosecution in the trial. 514 00:25:48,463 --> 00:25:50,924 I did have to make eye contact with Robert 515 00:25:50,924 --> 00:25:53,969 because they wanted us to identify him 516 00:25:53,969 --> 00:25:56,513 as the defendant. 517 00:25:56,513 --> 00:25:58,848 I had to sit up a little bit to see him, 518 00:25:58,848 --> 00:26:01,101 because he was slouched down in the chair. 519 00:26:01,101 --> 00:26:02,644 And when I did that, 520 00:26:02,644 --> 00:26:05,438 he looked at me but then put his head down. 521 00:26:05,438 --> 00:26:07,482 And I was like, "Yeah, that's him right there. 522 00:26:07,482 --> 00:26:09,025 That's him." 523 00:26:15,824 --> 00:26:18,076 My oldest brother did get on the stand... 524 00:26:20,745 --> 00:26:24,666 ...and he said 525 00:26:24,666 --> 00:26:25,875 that it wasn't her, 526 00:26:25,875 --> 00:26:28,044 it wasn't my niece on the tape. 527 00:26:33,925 --> 00:26:35,593 I don't know 528 00:26:35,593 --> 00:26:37,220 what my family was thinking. 529 00:26:37,220 --> 00:26:42,267 Like I said, we were estranged. 530 00:26:42,267 --> 00:26:46,563 For ten years I didn't speak to my family 531 00:26:46,563 --> 00:26:48,732 because of that (bleep). 532 00:26:49,983 --> 00:26:51,484 It's crazy. 533 00:26:53,069 --> 00:26:55,280 NORRIS: The case against R. Kelly is complicated 534 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,907 by the fact that there is no accuser. 535 00:26:57,907 --> 00:27:00,952 Like Kelly, the girl alleged to be on the tape says, 536 00:27:00,952 --> 00:27:02,162 "It wasn't me." 537 00:27:04,122 --> 00:27:06,499 GENGLER: Being a mom now, 538 00:27:06,499 --> 00:27:10,879 you can't fathom your child being in that situation. 539 00:27:10,879 --> 00:27:14,090 I would do anything to protect my child 540 00:27:14,090 --> 00:27:16,343 and to keep my child safe. 541 00:27:16,343 --> 00:27:21,056 For all I know, she wa-wanted to just live a normal life. 542 00:27:21,056 --> 00:27:26,895 Um... and I felt really torn because, you know, 543 00:27:26,895 --> 00:27:29,439 my faith and my morals told me I needed to come forward, 544 00:27:29,439 --> 00:27:30,940 because what he did was wrong. 545 00:27:30,940 --> 00:27:32,484 And that's all I knew, and I was trying to, 546 00:27:32,484 --> 00:27:36,279 you know, keep him from doing it ever again. 547 00:27:36,279 --> 00:27:38,615 (crowd shouting) 548 00:27:38,615 --> 00:27:40,575 I just want to know why, 549 00:27:40,575 --> 00:27:42,369 at the end of the day, he can sleep at night 550 00:27:42,369 --> 00:27:45,872 knowing that he's affecting these innocent young girls. 551 00:27:45,872 --> 00:27:48,375 Girls that are still trying to figure out themselves, 552 00:27:48,375 --> 00:27:50,251 still trying to figure out relationships... 553 00:27:50,251 --> 00:27:52,045 (crowd shouting indistinctly) 554 00:27:52,045 --> 00:27:54,005 ...and taking full advantage of that. 555 00:27:56,925 --> 00:27:58,343 I will never understand that. 556 00:28:00,136 --> 00:28:01,930 It's sickening. 557 00:28:01,930 --> 00:28:04,015 (crowd shouting indistinctly) 558 00:28:12,690 --> 00:28:14,859 REPORTER: The jury is deliberating 559 00:28:14,859 --> 00:28:17,320 in R. Kelly's child pornography case. 560 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,864 Jurors reportedly met for three and a half hours yesterday 561 00:28:19,864 --> 00:28:21,116 before breaking for the night. 562 00:28:21,116 --> 00:28:23,868 This is what we think about him and his music. 563 00:28:23,868 --> 00:28:25,662 R. Kelly is innocent. 564 00:28:25,662 --> 00:28:26,788 HOST: You think the listeners should still 565 00:28:26,788 --> 00:28:28,206 support R. Kelly, 566 00:28:28,206 --> 00:28:29,290 even though we haven't found out whether he's innocent 567 00:28:29,290 --> 00:28:30,708 or guilty as of yet? 568 00:28:30,708 --> 00:28:32,210 CALLER: Well, right. That could be you or me. 569 00:28:32,210 --> 00:28:33,920 REPORTER: It's been six years in the making... 570 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,296 MAN: Over here. 571 00:28:35,296 --> 00:28:37,590 ...and the time has finally come. 572 00:28:37,590 --> 00:28:39,342 DEVINE: At the end of the case, 573 00:28:39,342 --> 00:28:41,886 my belief, in watching closing arguments 574 00:28:41,886 --> 00:28:43,888 and in talking to our trial prosecutors, 575 00:28:43,888 --> 00:28:47,142 was that we had presented a good case. 576 00:28:47,142 --> 00:28:50,603 It had gone in as well as could be expected. 577 00:28:50,603 --> 00:28:52,730 There were issues, and it was up to the jury 578 00:28:52,730 --> 00:28:54,232 to decide those issues. 579 00:28:55,525 --> 00:28:58,153 JANSSEN: Before the verdicts came down, 580 00:28:58,153 --> 00:29:01,322 I saw Sam Adam Jr., who was sitting next to R. Kelly, 581 00:29:01,322 --> 00:29:02,365 turn to him and say, 582 00:29:02,365 --> 00:29:04,033 "We did everything we could." 583 00:29:04,033 --> 00:29:07,162 And the mood in the room was very much 584 00:29:07,162 --> 00:29:10,081 that he was about to be a condemned man. 585 00:29:13,334 --> 00:29:14,711 CHANEY: When the verdict came down 586 00:29:14,711 --> 00:29:16,546 for the R. Kelly trial, 587 00:29:16,546 --> 00:29:17,839 we're trying to read the judge's face, 588 00:29:17,839 --> 00:29:20,800 and you couldn't read it. 589 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,011 JANSSEN: Everyone in the courtroom thought he was 590 00:29:23,011 --> 00:29:24,095 gonna be found guilty. 591 00:29:24,095 --> 00:29:26,264 CRAIG WILLIAMS: Rob was very scared 592 00:29:26,264 --> 00:29:27,599 of going to jail. 593 00:29:30,894 --> 00:29:32,645 PALLASCH: They announce the verdict. 594 00:29:37,358 --> 00:29:39,360 CHANEY: When they said "not guilty," 595 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,362 every reporter's face was like... 596 00:29:42,906 --> 00:29:44,991 Not guilty? You've got to be kidding me. 597 00:29:44,991 --> 00:29:47,035 PALLASCH: Kelly says, "Thank you, Jesus. 598 00:29:47,035 --> 00:29:48,077 Thank you, Jesus." 599 00:29:48,077 --> 00:29:51,539 Kelly's lawyers are ecstatic. 600 00:29:51,539 --> 00:29:53,291 Uh, they're hugging R. Kelly, who's crying. 601 00:29:53,291 --> 00:29:55,335 They seem to be almost taken by surprise. 602 00:29:55,335 --> 00:29:59,422 I just said one word. Wow. 603 00:29:59,422 --> 00:30:01,716 And that was it. 604 00:30:01,716 --> 00:30:03,468 CRAIG: I don't know if race played a part 605 00:30:03,468 --> 00:30:06,596 in this trial or not, but if it were 606 00:30:06,596 --> 00:30:08,723 white children that were being molested 607 00:30:08,723 --> 00:30:12,352 by a black man in this case, 608 00:30:12,352 --> 00:30:17,273 I'm sure Rob would have gone to jail very swiftly. 609 00:30:17,273 --> 00:30:18,816 REPORTER: When he left home this morning, 610 00:30:18,816 --> 00:30:21,194 R. Kelly had no idea when he'd be back. 611 00:30:21,194 --> 00:30:22,946 His fate was in the hands of jurors 612 00:30:22,946 --> 00:30:25,281 who could have sent him to prison for years. 613 00:30:25,281 --> 00:30:28,034 Instead, tonight they set him free. 614 00:30:28,034 --> 00:30:29,285 PRODUCER: With women that came out 615 00:30:29,285 --> 00:30:30,870 against him and said, 616 00:30:30,870 --> 00:30:32,830 "I was in an underage relationship with him. 617 00:30:32,830 --> 00:30:34,541 He did this to me, he did that," what...? 618 00:30:34,541 --> 00:30:37,585 I-I just didn't believe them-- the womans. 619 00:30:37,585 --> 00:30:39,420 I know it sounds ridiculous. 620 00:30:39,420 --> 00:30:41,965 The way they dress, the way they act. 621 00:30:41,965 --> 00:30:45,093 I didn't like them. I voted again-- 622 00:30:45,093 --> 00:30:49,013 I disregarded all what they said. 623 00:30:49,013 --> 00:30:51,349 I was happy for the verdict at the time. 624 00:30:51,349 --> 00:30:52,308 I was happy. 625 00:30:52,308 --> 00:30:53,768 BRUCE: I felt 626 00:30:53,768 --> 00:30:57,772 wonderful when he-- they said not guilty. 627 00:30:57,772 --> 00:30:59,691 That's how I felt, wonderful. 628 00:30:59,691 --> 00:31:03,069 SPARKLE: I think that Robert 629 00:31:03,069 --> 00:31:06,990 wasn't convicted because my niece and sister 630 00:31:06,990 --> 00:31:08,533 and brother-in-law didn't come forward. 631 00:31:08,533 --> 00:31:12,620 Regarding criminal cases, if there is no willing participant, 632 00:31:12,620 --> 00:31:16,124 then really there's no case. 633 00:31:17,625 --> 00:31:20,753 I really don't know if my family was paid off. 634 00:31:20,753 --> 00:31:24,048 I know the family was still hanging out with him. 635 00:31:24,048 --> 00:31:25,592 My brother-in-law was still playing guitar 636 00:31:25,592 --> 00:31:28,386 on a lot of his songs. 637 00:31:30,763 --> 00:31:32,890 And that's... 638 00:31:32,890 --> 00:31:35,268 what it is. 639 00:31:37,478 --> 00:31:39,272 TOURE: After R. Kelly got off trial, 640 00:31:39,272 --> 00:31:42,025 there was conversation at BET, like, "We should interview him," 641 00:31:42,025 --> 00:31:44,277 and I was the guy who was gonna do the interview. 642 00:31:47,739 --> 00:31:51,576 We were in a sort of fancy Chicago hotel suite. 643 00:31:51,576 --> 00:31:54,704 He came with this crisis manager. 644 00:31:54,704 --> 00:31:56,456 He was very nervous before we started. 645 00:31:56,456 --> 00:31:58,333 I remember saying hi to him before we started, 646 00:31:58,333 --> 00:31:59,792 and he was kind of, like... 647 00:31:59,792 --> 00:32:01,878 clearly knew, like, this is a big moment. 648 00:32:01,878 --> 00:32:06,674 I asked him, just point blank, "Do you like underage girls?" 649 00:32:06,674 --> 00:32:09,302 And his crisis manager stood up and ran into the shot. 650 00:32:09,302 --> 00:32:11,929 "No! You can't ask him that! You can't ask him that!" 651 00:32:11,929 --> 00:32:13,306 And Kelly said, "No, no. 652 00:32:13,306 --> 00:32:14,682 I want to answer that." 653 00:32:14,682 --> 00:32:16,309 -Let me ask you something. -R. KELLY: Mm-hmm. 654 00:32:16,309 --> 00:32:20,521 Real. That millions of Americans are thinking about. 655 00:32:20,521 --> 00:32:24,108 -Okay. -Do you like teenage girls? 656 00:32:24,108 --> 00:32:28,279 When you say teenage, h-how old are we talking? 657 00:32:28,279 --> 00:32:31,407 Girls who are teenagers. 658 00:32:31,407 --> 00:32:35,536 -19? -19 and younger. 659 00:32:35,536 --> 00:32:38,206 I have some 19-year-old friends, 660 00:32:38,206 --> 00:32:40,291 but I don't like anybody illegal, 661 00:32:40,291 --> 00:32:42,293 if that's what we're talking about, underage. 662 00:32:43,753 --> 00:32:47,715 This is the first easy, obvious, simple softball question. 663 00:32:47,715 --> 00:32:49,509 "Do you like teenage girls?" 664 00:32:49,509 --> 00:32:52,178 You just got off a child pornography trial. 665 00:32:52,178 --> 00:32:54,681 Obviously you're gonna say no, and then we'll move to something 666 00:32:54,681 --> 00:32:57,225 a little harder and then something harder. 667 00:32:57,225 --> 00:32:59,102 And I'm thinking, you know, 668 00:32:59,102 --> 00:33:01,979 don't let him see that he's made a huge mistake. 669 00:33:01,979 --> 00:33:03,606 Like, that he's ju... 670 00:33:03,606 --> 00:33:06,150 'Cause his face and the question seemed like, 671 00:33:06,150 --> 00:33:07,985 "Wow, like, 672 00:33:07,985 --> 00:33:10,697 wow, teenage girls, like, I love this subject." 673 00:33:10,697 --> 00:33:12,949 I assumed that that would get cut out. 674 00:33:12,949 --> 00:33:15,910 And when it finally aired, I was like, 675 00:33:15,910 --> 00:33:18,204 "Oh, my God, they aired it." 676 00:33:21,749 --> 00:33:23,543 I felt sorry 677 00:33:23,543 --> 00:33:27,797 for his wife because now she's embroiled in everything. 678 00:33:27,797 --> 00:33:29,590 She's attached to him legally. 679 00:33:29,590 --> 00:33:31,926 The abuse had gotten so bad with Robert 680 00:33:31,926 --> 00:33:33,761 to the point I left with nothing. 681 00:33:33,761 --> 00:33:36,305 If you look at my order of protection, 682 00:33:36,305 --> 00:33:37,890 in my restraining order, 683 00:33:37,890 --> 00:33:41,477 it was actually the judge that crossed it out and wrote in, 684 00:33:41,477 --> 00:33:45,481 "He is to have no contact with the children." 685 00:33:45,481 --> 00:33:48,901 After the divorce, people are quick to pass judgment 686 00:33:48,901 --> 00:33:50,361 and they have no idea 687 00:33:50,361 --> 00:33:53,448 that, behind the scenes-- 688 00:33:53,448 --> 00:33:55,366 you think I'm living this great life-- 689 00:33:55,366 --> 00:33:58,327 I'm in foreclosure court on my house. Why? 690 00:33:58,327 --> 00:34:00,037 Robert stopped paying child support 691 00:34:00,037 --> 00:34:02,373 as a way to punish me. 692 00:34:02,373 --> 00:34:04,834 So people think that I'm living this great, lavish life, 693 00:34:04,834 --> 00:34:06,461 but they don't understand. 694 00:34:06,461 --> 00:34:08,921 I've got lawyers, going back and forth to court. 695 00:34:08,921 --> 00:34:12,300 I'm trying to get him served with an arrest warrant 696 00:34:12,300 --> 00:34:13,843 because you're not paying child support, 697 00:34:13,843 --> 00:34:15,428 which is criminal by law. 698 00:34:15,428 --> 00:34:18,097 I'm dealing with all of this and people just think, 699 00:34:18,097 --> 00:34:20,975 "Oh, well, you know, she wants to come forward now 700 00:34:20,975 --> 00:34:22,018 because them checks stop..." 701 00:34:22,018 --> 00:34:23,686 The checks been stopped, boo. 702 00:34:23,686 --> 00:34:25,730 The checks have been over for a very long time. 703 00:34:25,730 --> 00:34:27,231 That has nothing to do with it. 704 00:34:39,827 --> 00:34:42,538 I have three small children that I had to think about 705 00:34:42,538 --> 00:34:44,290 before I could come forward. 706 00:34:44,290 --> 00:34:46,292 That's a lot for my children to deal with. 707 00:34:46,292 --> 00:34:49,378 I had to make sure my children were okay 708 00:34:49,378 --> 00:34:50,880 before I could come forward. 709 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,257 I had to make sure, emotionally, 710 00:34:53,257 --> 00:34:55,301 they were where they could handle it. 711 00:34:56,594 --> 00:34:57,845 JERHONDA: I went to his trial 712 00:34:57,845 --> 00:35:00,264 because I was a superfan at the time. 713 00:35:00,264 --> 00:35:01,724 I didn't believe he was guilty, 714 00:35:01,724 --> 00:35:03,684 and I didn't want to believe that he was guilty. 715 00:35:05,019 --> 00:35:08,439 I was a freshman in high school. 716 00:35:08,439 --> 00:35:10,149 He was old for me to like him, 717 00:35:10,149 --> 00:35:11,818 but I fell in love with his music. 718 00:35:13,903 --> 00:35:16,072 After Robert's trial, his friend 719 00:35:16,072 --> 00:35:19,408 sent me a message and invited me to R. Kelly's party. 720 00:35:19,408 --> 00:35:21,911 And in the middle of me texting him back. 721 00:35:21,911 --> 00:35:24,330 Rob-- he actually called my phone. 722 00:35:24,330 --> 00:35:26,249 And he was telling me, he's like, "I remember you." 723 00:35:26,249 --> 00:35:28,000 And I said, "Well, what do you remember me from?" 724 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,879 He said, "You came to my trial. Thank you for your support." 725 00:35:31,879 --> 00:35:33,881 I was shocked. 726 00:35:33,881 --> 00:35:35,216 I felt like I was on top of the world. 727 00:35:38,052 --> 00:35:40,763 Having a music star, 728 00:35:40,763 --> 00:35:43,474 like R. Kelly, pay attention to you 729 00:35:43,474 --> 00:35:46,394 would be phenomenal, make you feel very special. 730 00:35:47,478 --> 00:35:50,523 She is a lifelong fan. 731 00:35:50,523 --> 00:35:53,651 Someone who, even though 732 00:35:53,651 --> 00:35:57,196 she's sitting through the trial, looking at the images, 733 00:35:57,196 --> 00:35:59,282 she still doesn't want to believe it 734 00:35:59,282 --> 00:36:03,286 because in her mind-- and she was so young-- 735 00:36:03,286 --> 00:36:08,040 this is the person that spoke to her through music. 736 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,126 He invited me back to his mansion in Olympia Fields, 737 00:36:10,126 --> 00:36:12,712 and he told me to bring a bathing suit. 738 00:36:12,712 --> 00:36:14,797 By this time it was like 739 00:36:14,797 --> 00:36:17,216 a little bit after my 16th birthday. 740 00:36:17,216 --> 00:36:21,220 I did lie about my age and tell him that I was 19. 741 00:36:21,220 --> 00:36:24,098 What we know about teenagers is that their long-term planning, 742 00:36:24,098 --> 00:36:26,183 that part of their brain hasn't developed yet. 743 00:36:26,183 --> 00:36:28,227 They feel the excitement and the rush of things, 744 00:36:28,227 --> 00:36:30,229 but they don't necessarily have the brain capacity 745 00:36:30,229 --> 00:36:32,148 to make the best decisions. 746 00:36:32,148 --> 00:36:35,401 Insert an adult that has nefarious motivations, 747 00:36:35,401 --> 00:36:36,944 and that person 748 00:36:36,944 --> 00:36:40,615 can use all of those things to his advantage. 749 00:36:40,615 --> 00:36:41,908 JERHONDA: He said, "Don't let anybody 750 00:36:41,908 --> 00:36:43,659 know where you're going" 751 00:36:43,659 --> 00:36:46,746 and he said, "And from now on, when you, uh, talk to me, 752 00:36:46,746 --> 00:36:47,955 you're gonna call me Daddy." 753 00:36:47,955 --> 00:36:52,460 And I said, "Okay." 754 00:36:52,460 --> 00:36:54,795 And he said, "Okay, what?" 755 00:36:54,795 --> 00:36:56,130 And I said, "Okay, Daddy." 756 00:36:56,130 --> 00:36:58,174 And then I hung up the phone. 757 00:36:58,174 --> 00:37:00,009 And looking back on it, 758 00:37:00,009 --> 00:37:01,594 I was naive. 759 00:37:11,479 --> 00:37:13,898 ♪ ♪ 760 00:37:13,898 --> 00:37:16,275 JERHONDA: When Rob invited me to his house, 761 00:37:16,275 --> 00:37:18,277 I was 16 years old. 762 00:37:18,277 --> 00:37:19,570 I was excited. 763 00:37:19,570 --> 00:37:22,448 I was like, "Oh, my gosh, this is so unreal." 764 00:37:22,448 --> 00:37:25,451 I didn't tell anyone I was going to his house. 765 00:37:25,451 --> 00:37:27,870 It was like a little secret. 766 00:37:27,870 --> 00:37:29,330 He was getting ready for 767 00:37:29,330 --> 00:37:31,916 a pre-listen party for his album Untitled. 768 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,420 We were just talking back and forth. 769 00:37:36,420 --> 00:37:37,964 And he talked about 770 00:37:37,964 --> 00:37:40,132 being molested as well-- he told me he was molested 771 00:37:40,132 --> 00:37:42,051 by a older guy in his neighborhood. 772 00:37:44,053 --> 00:37:45,972 And one of the females 773 00:37:45,972 --> 00:37:49,767 that used to watch him was sexually abusing him as well. 774 00:37:49,767 --> 00:37:51,602 And I felt like we had a connection 775 00:37:51,602 --> 00:37:55,314 'cause I told him I was sexually abused when I was four, 776 00:37:55,314 --> 00:37:59,026 when I was six, and when I was eight years old. 777 00:37:59,026 --> 00:38:00,653 NORCOTT: Women who have histories 778 00:38:00,653 --> 00:38:02,113 of child sexual abuse 779 00:38:02,113 --> 00:38:04,323 are more likely to be victimized as adults. 780 00:38:04,323 --> 00:38:07,118 She could have trouble asserting herself, 781 00:38:07,118 --> 00:38:09,328 um, advocating for herself. 782 00:38:09,328 --> 00:38:13,165 And so, for somebody who is targeting potential victims, 783 00:38:13,165 --> 00:38:15,292 that's gonna be an attractive target for them. 784 00:38:17,294 --> 00:38:20,297 JERHONDA: I felt like, "Wow. So I'm not the only one. 785 00:38:20,297 --> 00:38:22,842 I'm not alone with the whole sexual abuse thing." 786 00:38:22,842 --> 00:38:25,511 And I felt like Rob confided in me, 787 00:38:25,511 --> 00:38:28,431 and I felt like I was confiding in him as well. 788 00:38:32,518 --> 00:38:35,688 When I hear of a perpetrator or someone who's opening up 789 00:38:35,688 --> 00:38:38,983 about their sexual abuse, two things pop up for me. 790 00:38:38,983 --> 00:38:41,819 Number one: the individual is really looking 791 00:38:41,819 --> 00:38:43,529 for someone to talk to about this. 792 00:38:43,529 --> 00:38:47,992 Option two is: "I'm going to use this story as a way 793 00:38:47,992 --> 00:38:51,037 of manipulating and getting people to come closer to me." 794 00:38:51,037 --> 00:38:54,957 Hey, look at my pain, identify with it, feel for me, 795 00:38:54,957 --> 00:38:57,877 allowing me to project my aggressive behavior onto you. 796 00:39:01,714 --> 00:39:03,007 JERHONDA: At Rob's mansion, 797 00:39:03,007 --> 00:39:05,301 he had a jungle-themed pool 798 00:39:05,301 --> 00:39:07,511 and he actually called it "the safari pool." 799 00:39:07,511 --> 00:39:11,891 And it had a nice slide, and the water changed colors-- 800 00:39:11,891 --> 00:39:14,727 it was blue, green, purple. 801 00:39:14,727 --> 00:39:16,395 He told me to go into the bathroom 802 00:39:16,395 --> 00:39:18,105 and to change into my swimsuit. 803 00:39:18,105 --> 00:39:20,399 And when I came back out, 804 00:39:20,399 --> 00:39:22,610 I was just waiting by the pool, and when he showed up, 805 00:39:22,610 --> 00:39:25,237 he sat down and he told me to, uh, 806 00:39:25,237 --> 00:39:27,239 get up and start walking for him. 807 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:28,699 "As if you're modeling." 808 00:39:28,699 --> 00:39:30,409 So, I walk back and forth. 809 00:39:30,409 --> 00:39:32,161 It was back and forth, back and forth. 810 00:39:32,161 --> 00:39:34,955 And he said, "Okay, now, when you walk up, I want you 811 00:39:34,955 --> 00:39:37,708 to remove a piece of your, um, swimsuit." 812 00:39:39,752 --> 00:39:41,754 And I looked at him and I sai, 813 00:39:41,754 --> 00:39:43,756 "You want me to take my swimsuit off?" 814 00:39:43,756 --> 00:39:45,591 He said yes, he told me not to ask questions, 815 00:39:45,591 --> 00:39:46,884 to just do it. 816 00:39:46,884 --> 00:39:49,720 So I said, okay, well, this is R. Kelly 817 00:39:49,720 --> 00:39:51,222 and he told me to take my swimsuit off, 818 00:39:51,222 --> 00:39:52,848 so that's what I'm going to do. 819 00:39:52,848 --> 00:39:54,517 So I walked back and forth 820 00:39:54,517 --> 00:39:56,435 and then I removed my top, and he told me 821 00:39:56,435 --> 00:39:57,895 to remove my bottoms. 822 00:40:00,940 --> 00:40:04,443 And he grabbed me and then we started kissing. 823 00:40:04,443 --> 00:40:06,445 And he started fondling my breasts. 824 00:40:06,445 --> 00:40:09,115 And I stopped him and I said, "I'm a virgin." 825 00:40:09,115 --> 00:40:12,451 And he said, "Well, that's perfect. 826 00:40:12,451 --> 00:40:13,953 "That means I get to train you 827 00:40:13,953 --> 00:40:15,287 and I get to take your virginity." 828 00:40:17,790 --> 00:40:19,291 And that's when he proceeded 829 00:40:19,291 --> 00:40:20,751 to do oral sex on me. 830 00:40:20,751 --> 00:40:23,712 And he told me to do the same thing on him. 831 00:40:23,712 --> 00:40:24,839 Just oral sex. 832 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,970 Right after, Rob asked me my age. 833 00:40:30,970 --> 00:40:32,888 And that's when I didn't tell him my age, 834 00:40:32,888 --> 00:40:35,141 I handed him my ID, and he looked at it, 835 00:40:35,141 --> 00:40:37,268 and that's when-- then I said I'm 16. 836 00:40:37,268 --> 00:40:39,478 And he told me, "Okay, what is that supposed to mean?" 837 00:40:39,478 --> 00:40:43,065 He said to "continue telling everybody that you're 19" 838 00:40:43,065 --> 00:40:44,316 and to "act 21." 839 00:40:49,321 --> 00:40:51,157 MISS INFO: After R. Kelly was acquitted, 840 00:40:51,157 --> 00:40:53,659 suddenly there's this blank slate, right? 841 00:40:53,659 --> 00:40:55,870 Which is so delusional for us 842 00:40:55,870 --> 00:40:58,873 to kind of feel like, "Oh, it's all good now." 843 00:40:58,873 --> 00:41:02,168 And it's okay for me as a journalist to say, 844 00:41:02,168 --> 00:41:04,587 "Yeah, I want to go to R. Kelly's house 845 00:41:04,587 --> 00:41:06,255 "and hear him play his new album. 846 00:41:06,255 --> 00:41:07,673 I would love to do that." 847 00:41:07,673 --> 00:41:08,883 And I did that. 848 00:41:10,926 --> 00:41:14,013 And it was like such a bizarre fortress. 849 00:41:14,013 --> 00:41:15,848 Cavernous, like, mazes. 850 00:41:15,848 --> 00:41:17,516 There was an indoor pool. 851 00:41:17,516 --> 00:41:21,687 And then there was this little tiny studio room 852 00:41:21,687 --> 00:41:23,439 where he just sat down at a piano 853 00:41:23,439 --> 00:41:27,359 and sang like an angel. 854 00:41:27,359 --> 00:41:29,695 And then I walk away 855 00:41:29,695 --> 00:41:32,781 and I had to sort of write this and-and be true to myself, 856 00:41:32,781 --> 00:41:36,035 and I, and I basically said that 857 00:41:36,035 --> 00:41:39,038 I have a lot of feelings about R. Kelly. 858 00:41:39,038 --> 00:41:41,081 He was acquitted, so I chose to leave 859 00:41:41,081 --> 00:41:43,959 those feelings at the door. 860 00:41:43,959 --> 00:41:47,254 I was awed by being in front of, like, this incredible talent, 861 00:41:47,254 --> 00:41:48,839 which is unde-undeniable. 862 00:41:48,839 --> 00:41:50,716 And then I, when I walked out of the door, 863 00:41:50,716 --> 00:41:53,385 I picked all of those sort of feelings back up. 864 00:41:53,385 --> 00:41:55,888 And I think that that's what a lot of fans 865 00:41:55,888 --> 00:41:57,598 have been doing for many, many years. 866 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,060 JERHONDA: I'm sitting on the bed 867 00:42:01,060 --> 00:42:04,188 and I'm just waiting for Rob. He came in... 868 00:42:04,188 --> 00:42:07,733 and he told me that it was time for him to take my virginity. 869 00:42:07,733 --> 00:42:11,987 We just, um, had sex, you know, me bent over on the couch, 870 00:42:11,987 --> 00:42:13,739 and I told him it was a bit uncomfortable, 871 00:42:13,739 --> 00:42:15,866 but I just went with it. 872 00:42:15,866 --> 00:42:18,744 I was like, okay, whatever. It was, um, painful. 873 00:42:18,744 --> 00:42:21,288 So I'm like, okay, maybe that's the way it's supposed to be. 874 00:42:21,288 --> 00:42:24,667 It wasn't... It wasn't extravagant. 875 00:42:24,667 --> 00:42:26,752 I wasn't like, "Oh, I lost my virginity." 876 00:42:26,752 --> 00:42:28,003 Like, "This was so good." 877 00:42:28,003 --> 00:42:29,922 It was just, it was just-- 878 00:42:29,922 --> 00:42:32,716 I guess I just lost my virginity. 879 00:42:45,145 --> 00:42:48,107 JERHONDA: When I went to Rob's house, 880 00:42:48,107 --> 00:42:49,567 I always felt like the chosen one, 881 00:42:49,567 --> 00:42:51,944 but then, after being there for a while, 882 00:42:51,944 --> 00:42:54,488 I started seeing other girls around the house. 883 00:42:56,490 --> 00:42:58,617 I'm in this room, 884 00:42:58,617 --> 00:43:00,619 I'm sitting on the bed, and I'm just, uh, waiting for, 885 00:43:00,619 --> 00:43:03,205 uh, Rob to give the next order, pretty much. 886 00:43:04,290 --> 00:43:05,791 When he opened the door, he walked in 887 00:43:05,791 --> 00:43:07,293 and he saw me on my phone. 888 00:43:07,293 --> 00:43:08,669 And that's when he explained 889 00:43:08,669 --> 00:43:11,130 that I can't be on my cell phone. 890 00:43:11,130 --> 00:43:14,049 That started the, the rules. 891 00:43:14,049 --> 00:43:16,969 (distorted): I've known R. Kelly for about 20 years. 892 00:43:16,969 --> 00:43:19,888 I was around him a lot, 893 00:43:19,888 --> 00:43:23,309 and that's when I started to notice the system 894 00:43:23,309 --> 00:43:26,979 of how girls are handled and that it was real off. 895 00:43:26,979 --> 00:43:30,316 They couldn't have communication with other people. 896 00:43:30,316 --> 00:43:32,985 They're not even allowed to communicate with each other. 897 00:43:32,985 --> 00:43:35,696 I had to give him an update about everything. 898 00:43:35,696 --> 00:43:38,657 Like, if I was about to brush my teeth, I had to let Rob know. 899 00:43:38,657 --> 00:43:40,826 If I wanted to take a shower, he had to know. 900 00:43:40,826 --> 00:43:43,162 And then, uh, when guys came around, 901 00:43:43,162 --> 00:43:44,705 I had to put my head down 902 00:43:44,705 --> 00:43:46,290 or I had to turn and face a wall. 903 00:43:47,499 --> 00:43:50,002 When you disobey him or you question him, 904 00:43:50,002 --> 00:43:52,504 that's considered breaking the rules. 905 00:43:52,504 --> 00:43:55,674 Perfect example-- there was one time Rob and I 906 00:43:55,674 --> 00:43:57,176 was talking about basketball. 907 00:43:57,176 --> 00:43:58,594 He likes the Chicago Bulls. 908 00:43:58,594 --> 00:44:00,888 And I said, you know, I like the, the Cavaliers. 909 00:44:00,888 --> 00:44:02,222 And he said, 910 00:44:02,222 --> 00:44:03,891 "No, you like the Bulls." I was like, 911 00:44:03,891 --> 00:44:06,226 "I don't like the Bulls," and that was a problem. 912 00:44:06,226 --> 00:44:08,562 Rob slapped me in my face. 913 00:44:08,562 --> 00:44:10,189 And he told me, "Well, guess what. 914 00:44:10,189 --> 00:44:11,523 You're not eating." And I said, 915 00:44:11,523 --> 00:44:13,233 "Okay, this is a joke." I thought he was just 916 00:44:13,233 --> 00:44:14,485 playing around. 917 00:44:17,696 --> 00:44:21,700 The no-eat list is somebody who "disobeys Daddy." 918 00:44:21,700 --> 00:44:23,869 That's when he decides to starve you. 919 00:44:26,914 --> 00:44:28,374 The longest I've gone without food 920 00:44:28,374 --> 00:44:30,084 at his house was three days. 921 00:44:30,084 --> 00:44:34,088 I was surviving off water and some peanuts that I had. 922 00:44:36,131 --> 00:44:38,175 FORMER EMPLOYEE (distorted): When a girl is confined 923 00:44:38,175 --> 00:44:39,593 to the tour bus 924 00:44:39,593 --> 00:44:43,722 or to a room, um, there would always be 925 00:44:43,722 --> 00:44:45,599 a possibility that she would go 926 00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:48,018 more than a day or two without food. 927 00:44:49,770 --> 00:44:53,816 PRODUCER: Can you describe the physical abuse? 928 00:44:53,816 --> 00:44:55,818 (stifled crying) 929 00:44:57,903 --> 00:44:59,947 (voice breaking, stammering) 930 00:45:02,783 --> 00:45:04,785 (stifled crying) 931 00:45:09,915 --> 00:45:13,085 -I-I'm sorry. (sniffles) -It's okay. 932 00:45:13,085 --> 00:45:14,670 NORCOTT: Abusers often use 933 00:45:14,670 --> 00:45:18,382 isolation, so they'll have, slowly over time, 934 00:45:18,382 --> 00:45:22,177 isolated a girl or a woman from her family. 935 00:45:22,177 --> 00:45:23,929 And then say, "There's nobody else for you. 936 00:45:23,929 --> 00:45:25,931 Nobody else cares about you but me. Where are you gonna go?" 937 00:45:27,933 --> 00:45:31,228 JERHONDA: I started to believe that I was nothing without Rob. 938 00:45:31,228 --> 00:45:33,981 I started to believe that Rob was everything. 939 00:45:33,981 --> 00:45:38,569 And he became... he became everything for me. 940 00:45:43,782 --> 00:45:47,619 Back in 2009, Rob pretty much just sent me out on a hunt, 941 00:45:47,619 --> 00:45:50,164 like, "Go find somebody," and I was like, "Dominique." 942 00:45:50,164 --> 00:45:52,166 You know, I thought Dominique was perfect. 943 00:45:52,166 --> 00:45:55,961 Dominique and I had met on MySpace. 944 00:45:55,961 --> 00:45:58,797 We was fans of his. We just... 945 00:45:58,797 --> 00:46:01,300 bonded and we had a really good friendship going 946 00:46:01,300 --> 00:46:03,260 based on liking R. Kelly. 947 00:46:09,641 --> 00:46:12,311 MICHELLE KRAMER: The girl, Jerhonda, started coming over, 948 00:46:12,311 --> 00:46:16,440 like on the weekends and then during the week, and then... 949 00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,442 You know, they was like best friends. 950 00:46:19,485 --> 00:46:20,652 She was 951 00:46:20,652 --> 00:46:22,362 hanging out with her. 952 00:46:22,362 --> 00:46:23,906 But I'm thinking it's the movies, 953 00:46:23,906 --> 00:46:26,366 I'm thinking it's bowling. 954 00:46:26,366 --> 00:46:29,661 Things that teenagers do. But it wasn't. 955 00:46:31,705 --> 00:46:35,083 She had a girlfriend that called me 956 00:46:35,083 --> 00:46:37,294 and said, "Do you know where Nikka's at?" 957 00:46:37,294 --> 00:46:40,172 And I said, "Yeah, she's with her friend." 958 00:46:40,172 --> 00:46:42,674 She said, "She's been lying to you. 959 00:46:42,674 --> 00:46:46,303 Nikka has been seeing R. Kelly." 960 00:46:46,303 --> 00:46:50,682 And I was like... (scoffs) "Girl, what'd you say?" 961 00:46:50,682 --> 00:46:53,852 JERHONDA: I didn't see my friend Dominique in the house, 962 00:46:53,852 --> 00:46:55,687 but I knew Dominique was there 963 00:46:55,687 --> 00:46:57,689 because we would both sneak and be on our cell phones, 964 00:46:57,689 --> 00:47:00,275 and that's when Dominique was sharing that, you know, 965 00:47:00,275 --> 00:47:01,693 Rob, any time he felt like she was doing 966 00:47:01,693 --> 00:47:03,111 something silly, he would slap her. 967 00:47:04,154 --> 00:47:05,739 And me and her used to 968 00:47:05,739 --> 00:47:07,783 always try to meet up in the house, 969 00:47:07,783 --> 00:47:10,202 and it never worked out. 970 00:47:10,202 --> 00:47:12,496 We were both on our cell phones texting each other like, "Okay. 971 00:47:12,496 --> 00:47:14,706 "I'm gonna call and ask to go to the bathroom right now. 972 00:47:14,706 --> 00:47:16,166 "You call and ask to go to the bathroom. 973 00:47:16,166 --> 00:47:17,709 "We're gonna meet at this bathroom, 974 00:47:17,709 --> 00:47:19,086 on this side of the house." 975 00:47:19,086 --> 00:47:21,129 So I would be in, like, one of those locations, 976 00:47:21,129 --> 00:47:23,257 but we never, ever got the chance to meet up. 977 00:47:24,299 --> 00:47:26,718 MICHELLE: I called the police. 978 00:47:26,718 --> 00:47:29,763 And Olympia Fields Police met us there. 979 00:47:29,763 --> 00:47:31,557 And it was carloads 980 00:47:31,557 --> 00:47:33,809 of young girls just going in. 981 00:47:43,652 --> 00:47:45,737 So she came home. 982 00:47:45,737 --> 00:47:47,239 I'm hollering, I was shouting. 983 00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,742 I was saying, "This is a grown man, he's sick. 984 00:47:50,742 --> 00:47:52,911 You know he just got off on some charges." 985 00:47:52,911 --> 00:47:55,914 And, um, I said, 986 00:47:55,914 --> 00:47:57,124 "Give me his phone number." 987 00:47:57,124 --> 00:47:58,542 He answered. 988 00:47:58,542 --> 00:48:01,003 I said, "R. Kelly, this is Michelle Kramer. 989 00:48:01,003 --> 00:48:03,046 "So I want you to remember my name. 990 00:48:03,046 --> 00:48:05,173 "Okay? 991 00:48:05,173 --> 00:48:07,092 Stay the (bleep) away from my daughter." 992 00:48:17,853 --> 00:48:19,730 REPORTER: According to the report, 993 00:48:19,730 --> 00:48:22,774 he's keeping young women in a cult-like atmosphere. 994 00:48:22,774 --> 00:48:25,485 It's been two years now. We still haven't seen our daughter. 995 00:48:25,485 --> 00:48:29,281 KANIKA: He would beat me, and I just started thinking 996 00:48:29,281 --> 00:48:30,616 of ways to, like, 997 00:48:30,616 --> 00:48:33,952 either end my life or end his. 998 00:48:33,952 --> 00:48:36,163 I saw my daughter, I hugged my daughter, 999 00:48:36,163 --> 00:48:37,789 I kissed my daughter. 1000 00:48:37,789 --> 00:48:39,124 I done came too damn close. 1001 00:48:39,124 --> 00:48:40,125 Are you kidding me? 1002 00:48:40,125 --> 00:48:41,960 I'm gonna continue to fight. 1003 00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:43,253 That's what mothers do.