1 00:00:15,181 --> 00:00:17,100 ♪ ♪ 2 00:00:20,770 --> 00:00:22,981 I felt like I could talk to him, you know? 3 00:00:22,981 --> 00:00:25,900 Like he was a normal person, not a celebrity. 4 00:00:25,900 --> 00:00:27,444 Very welcoming. 5 00:00:27,444 --> 00:00:29,529 Robert treated me very well. 6 00:00:29,529 --> 00:00:31,531 Charismatic. Funny. 7 00:00:31,531 --> 00:00:32,907 Extremely caring. 8 00:00:32,907 --> 00:00:34,701 He's hard not to like. 9 00:00:34,701 --> 00:00:37,036 It was very romantic to me. 10 00:00:37,036 --> 00:00:39,247 Our relationship was beautiful in the beginning. 11 00:00:39,247 --> 00:00:40,665 But, um... 12 00:00:42,459 --> 00:00:44,878 Didn't know about the storm on the horizon. 13 00:00:44,878 --> 00:00:46,421 He would break you down. 14 00:00:46,421 --> 00:00:47,797 He would turn around and say, 15 00:00:47,797 --> 00:00:49,424 "I'm the only one that loves you, 16 00:00:49,424 --> 00:00:50,925 I'm the only one who cares about you." 17 00:00:50,925 --> 00:00:52,719 I was mentally drained. 18 00:00:52,719 --> 00:00:55,263 Robert feels as if he's invincible. 19 00:00:55,263 --> 00:00:57,098 "I can't be touched." 20 00:00:57,098 --> 00:00:59,392 And in hindsight, in society, 21 00:00:59,392 --> 00:01:01,728 we kind of made him feel that way. 22 00:01:01,728 --> 00:01:03,730 ♪ ♪ 23 00:01:32,592 --> 00:01:34,761 CRAIG WILLIAMS: He had a voice 24 00:01:34,761 --> 00:01:35,970 that was incredible. 25 00:01:35,970 --> 00:01:37,806 CAREY KELLY: All the labels start calling, 26 00:01:37,806 --> 00:01:39,307 and that's when he took off. 27 00:01:39,307 --> 00:01:40,934 JOHN LEGEND: His songs were a huge part 28 00:01:40,934 --> 00:01:42,644 of the soundtrack of our lives. 29 00:01:42,644 --> 00:01:44,145 I heard a lot about Rob 30 00:01:44,145 --> 00:01:46,105 going to Kenwood High School. 31 00:01:46,105 --> 00:01:47,148 I always wondered, 32 00:01:47,148 --> 00:01:48,483 what the heck is he doing 33 00:01:48,483 --> 00:01:50,109 hanging around the high school? 34 00:01:50,109 --> 00:01:52,111 KATHY CHANEY: He liked high school girls. 35 00:01:52,111 --> 00:01:53,822 They were too young for him. 36 00:01:53,822 --> 00:01:55,824 They were so vulnerable. 37 00:01:55,824 --> 00:01:57,158 DEMETRIUS SMITH: I didn't want to believe that Robert 38 00:01:57,158 --> 00:01:58,743 was messing with Aaliyah 39 00:01:58,743 --> 00:02:00,203 because she was so young. 40 00:02:00,203 --> 00:02:03,289 JOVANTE CUNNINGHAM: The door flew open on the bus. 41 00:02:03,289 --> 00:02:05,166 Robert was having sex with Aaliyah. 42 00:02:05,166 --> 00:02:07,544 JAMILAH LEMIEUX: A 15-year old girl. 43 00:02:12,173 --> 00:02:14,467 ♪ ♪ 44 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,350 CRAIG: Rob was the big star of Chicago at that time. 45 00:02:22,350 --> 00:02:24,644 He was all over the radio, the radio loved him. 46 00:02:24,644 --> 00:02:27,522 He had a lot of hit songs and they were playing his songs. 47 00:02:27,522 --> 00:02:28,982 Chicago loved R. Kelly. 48 00:02:28,982 --> 00:02:30,400 TRACII McGREGOR: There was "Vibe," 49 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,319 and he another big hit, "Honey Love." 50 00:02:33,319 --> 00:02:35,196 You had to know who R. Kelly was. 51 00:02:35,196 --> 00:02:37,115 MISS INFO: He was larger than life. 52 00:02:37,115 --> 00:02:39,367 It was kind of like all of our hopes and dreams 53 00:02:39,367 --> 00:02:40,660 wrapped up into this artist. 54 00:02:40,660 --> 00:02:44,622 Teenage girls definitely wanted to meet him, 55 00:02:44,622 --> 00:02:49,252 and I had heard lots of stories about girls who did. 56 00:02:49,252 --> 00:02:54,716 TARANA BURKE: This is really about an adult man who is using 57 00:02:54,716 --> 00:02:57,218 the power of his fame and wealth and whatever 58 00:02:57,218 --> 00:03:00,513 to systematically degrade little black girls. 59 00:03:00,513 --> 00:03:02,015 CRAIG: When you get type of power, 60 00:03:02,015 --> 00:03:03,975 you kind of lose perspective of reality. 61 00:03:03,975 --> 00:03:06,811 ♪ ♪ 62 00:03:06,811 --> 00:03:10,398 Robert dated a lot of women from a lot of different cities. 63 00:03:10,398 --> 00:03:13,067 We-We'd fly 'em in, we'd fly 'em out. 64 00:03:15,069 --> 00:03:18,698 BRUCE: Robert likes younger women. 65 00:03:18,698 --> 00:03:20,742 You have people who have fantasies 66 00:03:20,742 --> 00:03:22,243 about different things. 67 00:03:22,243 --> 00:03:24,245 I like older women. 68 00:03:24,245 --> 00:03:27,874 Go figure, you know? 69 00:03:27,874 --> 00:03:30,752 But that's just a preference. 70 00:03:30,752 --> 00:03:34,130 It's a preference. Everyone has preferences. 71 00:03:35,173 --> 00:03:37,216 So, what is the big deal? 72 00:03:37,216 --> 00:03:40,970 What's the big issue with my brother? 73 00:03:43,932 --> 00:03:46,976 CRAIG: When I went down to the studio, I could see what kind 74 00:03:46,976 --> 00:03:51,606 of lifestyle Rob was living and what was going on in his life. 75 00:03:51,606 --> 00:03:53,441 And it didn't look good to me. 76 00:03:53,441 --> 00:03:57,278 There was a bedroom in the main room of the studio. 77 00:03:57,278 --> 00:04:00,114 There was girls everywhere. 78 00:04:00,114 --> 00:04:03,618 There was a young girl sitting, and she had to be, I don't-- 79 00:04:03,618 --> 00:04:06,120 I haven't checked her ID, I don't know, 80 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,624 but anywhere between 15 to 17 to 18-- she was a teenager. 81 00:04:09,624 --> 00:04:10,625 She was young. 82 00:04:10,625 --> 00:04:12,126 You can tell what's young. 83 00:04:12,126 --> 00:04:13,962 I don't know if they were together. 84 00:04:13,962 --> 00:04:18,967 When I went to another room, there was a girl in that room. 85 00:04:18,967 --> 00:04:21,260 With the lights out. Waiting. 86 00:04:21,260 --> 00:04:23,972 There was another girl in this lounge, over there. 87 00:04:23,972 --> 00:04:27,141 Lights out, waiting. 88 00:04:27,141 --> 00:04:29,102 And I'm telling Reed, my business partner, 89 00:04:29,102 --> 00:04:30,561 "What the hell is going on?" 90 00:04:33,731 --> 00:04:35,733 LIZZETTE: Robert... 91 00:04:35,733 --> 00:04:37,026 he's hard not to like. 92 00:04:37,026 --> 00:04:40,697 It's hard not to like him. 93 00:04:42,782 --> 00:04:47,537 I was at a party at his house, and I didn't drink, 94 00:04:47,537 --> 00:04:49,622 but his friend gave me some alcohol. 95 00:04:49,622 --> 00:04:52,458 So, I-I was really, like, hazy, 96 00:04:52,458 --> 00:04:55,044 and I remember he took me up to the room. 97 00:04:56,462 --> 00:04:59,132 It was just a blur. 98 00:04:59,132 --> 00:05:02,093 He went back to the party and I just kind of passed out. 99 00:05:04,178 --> 00:05:08,349 It was my first sexual experience, 100 00:05:08,349 --> 00:05:11,102 and I didn't think it would be that way. 101 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:17,442 Sex with him felt not natural. 102 00:05:19,277 --> 00:05:22,655 Visiting him, it was mainly about sex. 103 00:05:22,655 --> 00:05:26,034 I felt like a sex object. 104 00:05:26,034 --> 00:05:27,869 You know, he would just say, 105 00:05:27,869 --> 00:05:31,205 "I still want to, um, help you with your career." 106 00:05:31,205 --> 00:05:34,042 Music was my joy. 107 00:05:34,042 --> 00:05:38,546 So I felt like my dreams are gonna come true. 108 00:05:38,546 --> 00:05:39,839 I just kind of, like, listened to him 109 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:41,215 and said okay, you know, and stayed 110 00:05:41,215 --> 00:05:43,217 there by myself. 111 00:05:43,217 --> 00:05:45,053 He would have people follow me 112 00:05:45,053 --> 00:05:46,554 because he told me as much, 113 00:05:46,554 --> 00:05:48,556 "If you leave this hotel room or go anywhere, 114 00:05:48,556 --> 00:05:51,350 "I have my boys following you, 115 00:05:51,350 --> 00:05:53,061 and I know everything that you're doing." 116 00:05:54,103 --> 00:05:56,689 So I was very fearful. 117 00:05:56,689 --> 00:05:58,900 Wouldn't hear from him for days, 118 00:05:58,900 --> 00:06:00,693 and then he would come back, and it was just 119 00:06:00,693 --> 00:06:03,404 sex and abu-- and-and... 120 00:06:03,404 --> 00:06:05,490 mental and physical abuse. 121 00:06:07,241 --> 00:06:09,243 TOURE: And here we have R. Kelly, 122 00:06:09,243 --> 00:06:12,830 who's saying, "I will help you create a career." 123 00:06:15,875 --> 00:06:20,046 But he never intended to do that. 124 00:06:20,046 --> 00:06:23,758 And, here again, women trying to move up in good faith. 125 00:06:23,758 --> 00:06:26,761 "I am a singer, I will listen to you. I will..." 126 00:06:26,761 --> 00:06:28,679 And he's just like, 127 00:06:28,679 --> 00:06:32,183 "I'm just gonna take you and take your body." 128 00:06:34,602 --> 00:06:36,270 ORONIKE ODELEYE: A lot of the young women 129 00:06:36,270 --> 00:06:37,939 who became involved with him, 130 00:06:37,939 --> 00:06:39,857 a lot of them started from the same place 131 00:06:39,857 --> 00:06:41,442 that most people in the black community are, 132 00:06:41,442 --> 00:06:42,735 of, "I've heard those rumors, 133 00:06:42,735 --> 00:06:44,112 "but I don't believe that to be true. 134 00:06:44,112 --> 00:06:47,240 "I'm an aspiring star, I'm not a gold digger. 135 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:49,784 "I'm not fast. I'm not this, that, or the other. 136 00:06:49,784 --> 00:06:53,287 I'm introduced to him or I get an opportunity to meet him." 137 00:06:53,287 --> 00:06:56,082 Um, and he's a charming, rich, famous person 138 00:06:56,082 --> 00:06:58,459 who has the ability to fly you around the world 139 00:06:58,459 --> 00:07:01,003 or, you know, buy you whatever you want or do whatever. 140 00:07:01,003 --> 00:07:03,756 I mean, that's, that's a lot of temptation 141 00:07:03,756 --> 00:07:06,300 for somebody so young and naive. 142 00:07:08,511 --> 00:07:10,847 LIZZETTE: The first time he was physically abusive, 143 00:07:10,847 --> 00:07:16,853 I was 17 and I-I said hello to someone that I shouldn't have, 144 00:07:16,853 --> 00:07:19,147 or I was looking at someone 145 00:07:19,147 --> 00:07:20,815 that I shouldn't have been looking at. (scoffs) 146 00:07:20,815 --> 00:07:25,486 You know, so he didn't like that. 147 00:07:25,486 --> 00:07:26,612 He took me outside 148 00:07:26,612 --> 00:07:27,989 and smacked me and said, like, 149 00:07:27,989 --> 00:07:30,449 "You can-- You're only supposed to look at me." 150 00:07:30,449 --> 00:07:32,285 And I don't understand this. 151 00:07:32,285 --> 00:07:34,620 I just... 152 00:07:34,620 --> 00:07:38,291 I just cried and said okay. 153 00:07:38,291 --> 00:07:40,668 And then I did that going forward 154 00:07:40,668 --> 00:07:42,503 'cause I didn't want to get-- 155 00:07:42,503 --> 00:07:45,047 I didn't want to anger him or get hit. 156 00:07:48,342 --> 00:07:51,470 DR. CANDICE NORCOTT: Anybody can be a victim of abuse. 157 00:07:51,470 --> 00:07:53,264 However, there are certain contexts 158 00:07:53,264 --> 00:07:56,309 and certain characteristics that can make you more vulnerable. 159 00:07:56,309 --> 00:08:00,688 Like inequal power dynamics. 160 00:08:00,688 --> 00:08:03,149 Girls can go into a situation 161 00:08:03,149 --> 00:08:04,609 really wanting something... 162 00:08:07,403 --> 00:08:08,988 ...and when somebody feels that they can 163 00:08:08,988 --> 00:08:10,823 hold that something over her head, 164 00:08:10,823 --> 00:08:14,368 "If you just do this with me," 165 00:08:14,368 --> 00:08:18,539 and the behavior and the exploitation can escalate. 166 00:08:18,539 --> 00:08:22,501 INTERVIEWER: When did you find out that he was married? 167 00:08:22,501 --> 00:08:25,838 Maybe a year after they were married. 168 00:08:25,838 --> 00:08:28,549 I never knew. Never said anything. 169 00:08:28,549 --> 00:08:33,054 My best friend said she heard it on the radio. 170 00:08:33,054 --> 00:08:36,057 And... 171 00:08:36,057 --> 00:08:39,060 I was, like, in shock. 172 00:08:39,060 --> 00:08:41,562 We never spoke of the marriag. 173 00:08:41,562 --> 00:08:43,981 He never told me about the marriage. 174 00:08:47,860 --> 00:08:52,740 GEM: There were quite a few women, but there are only 175 00:08:52,740 --> 00:08:53,991 a couple of women in his life 176 00:08:53,991 --> 00:08:56,077 that-that I know of that he really loved. 177 00:08:56,077 --> 00:08:59,956 Obviously, Aaliyah and my sister, 178 00:08:59,956 --> 00:09:02,583 Andrea Lee, at the time, now Kelly. 179 00:09:02,583 --> 00:09:06,087 BRUCE: I was shocked that Robert married her. 180 00:09:06,087 --> 00:09:10,591 It just looked like to me that they weren't compatible. 181 00:09:10,591 --> 00:09:14,262 She just seemed different than, uh, 182 00:09:14,262 --> 00:09:17,223 what he was, uh, what he was accustomed to... 183 00:09:17,223 --> 00:09:19,225 having. 184 00:09:25,690 --> 00:09:27,775 ANDREA: My name is Andrea Kelly. 185 00:09:27,775 --> 00:09:30,111 Born and raised in the Windy City. 186 00:09:30,111 --> 00:09:33,406 My family says that I danced before I walked. 187 00:09:33,406 --> 00:09:37,034 Dance is the reason why I met Robert. 188 00:09:37,034 --> 00:09:39,120 A good friend of mine, Larry, convinced me 189 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:40,621 to go to an audition. 190 00:09:40,621 --> 00:09:42,373 I'm like, "Larry, I'm not going to an audition. 191 00:09:42,373 --> 00:09:43,916 First of all, who the hell is R. Kelly?" 192 00:09:43,916 --> 00:09:45,626 'Cause I'd never heard of him at that point. 193 00:09:45,626 --> 00:09:47,461 He's like, "No, you should come, it's dope. 194 00:09:47,461 --> 00:09:49,630 "He's got this new song out called 'Sex Me.' 195 00:09:49,630 --> 00:09:51,507 He's going on tour, he's looking for dancers." 196 00:09:51,507 --> 00:09:52,800 She killed it. 197 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,261 She was the best out of 400 girls. 198 00:09:55,261 --> 00:09:58,806 I mean, Drea's probably one of the best dancers in the world. 199 00:09:58,806 --> 00:09:59,849 ANDREA: This lady says, 200 00:09:59,849 --> 00:10:00,850 "You got the job. 201 00:10:00,850 --> 00:10:02,143 He loved you." 202 00:10:02,143 --> 00:10:04,228 And that's how our worlds collide. 203 00:10:06,647 --> 00:10:09,483 He was a go-getter, and that was amazing 204 00:10:09,483 --> 00:10:14,447 to me, to see somebody who, after sharing 205 00:10:14,447 --> 00:10:16,824 that he didn't read or wr-write well. 206 00:10:16,824 --> 00:10:20,286 But you could create these amazing songs. 207 00:10:20,286 --> 00:10:22,413 I was mesmerized. 208 00:10:23,831 --> 00:10:25,499 There is a part of me that's like, 209 00:10:25,499 --> 00:10:29,003 "Wow, he is really a musical genius." 210 00:10:29,003 --> 00:10:31,964 I started to see a more gentle 211 00:10:31,964 --> 00:10:34,133 or, I-I'd rather say, vulnerable side. 212 00:10:34,133 --> 00:10:36,218 He started to get to the point where he would ask me 213 00:10:36,218 --> 00:10:38,346 to teach him how to read. 214 00:10:38,346 --> 00:10:42,516 Being able to share the loss of his mom... 215 00:10:42,516 --> 00:10:43,559 With me, 216 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:49,148 it was like, 100% wall down. 217 00:10:49,148 --> 00:10:51,025 Down to the studs. 218 00:10:51,025 --> 00:10:53,319 The nurturer that I am, you're thinking, 219 00:10:53,319 --> 00:10:56,530 "Okay, I'm not gonna be that person in his life 220 00:10:56,530 --> 00:10:58,032 "that turns a blind eye. 221 00:10:58,032 --> 00:11:00,368 "I'm not gonna be that person in his life 222 00:11:00,368 --> 00:11:02,703 "that his story is falling on deaf ears. 223 00:11:02,703 --> 00:11:04,538 "I'm gonna be that person in his life 224 00:11:04,538 --> 00:11:06,290 that's gonna love him through it." 225 00:11:06,290 --> 00:11:09,210 And it was actually beautiful in the beginning. 226 00:11:09,210 --> 00:11:10,419 But, um... 227 00:11:12,713 --> 00:11:16,509 Didn't know about the storm on the horizon. 228 00:11:16,509 --> 00:11:19,220 DR. KHADIJA MONK: Someone like R. Kelly would use 229 00:11:19,220 --> 00:11:23,182 their vulnerability to make the victim comfortable. 230 00:11:23,182 --> 00:11:24,767 And so, the victim would then feel, 231 00:11:24,767 --> 00:11:28,896 "Okay, well, they've shared this very private moment with me." 232 00:11:28,896 --> 00:11:30,398 And that's how you build trust. 233 00:11:30,398 --> 00:11:34,193 Vulnerability, um, builds trust in that regard. 234 00:11:34,193 --> 00:11:37,905 For many girls and women, it starts as, um, caring. 235 00:11:37,905 --> 00:11:40,825 Feeling cared for. Feeling paid attention to. 236 00:11:40,825 --> 00:11:43,035 Um, and then getting lulled into, over time, 237 00:11:43,035 --> 00:11:46,997 more constricting and more abusive behavior. 238 00:11:46,997 --> 00:11:49,417 I saw another side of him. 239 00:11:49,417 --> 00:11:51,252 The dark side. 240 00:11:51,252 --> 00:11:53,587 He would say, "You have to call me Daddy." 241 00:11:53,587 --> 00:11:55,798 I wasn't free to walk around. 242 00:11:55,798 --> 00:11:59,051 If I wanted to use the restroom, I'd have to ask him. 243 00:11:59,051 --> 00:12:01,095 If I was hungry, I have to ask him. 244 00:12:01,095 --> 00:12:03,556 He came up once 245 00:12:03,556 --> 00:12:05,433 and grabbed me by my arm in the room 246 00:12:05,433 --> 00:12:07,101 and dragged me down the hallway 247 00:12:07,101 --> 00:12:10,146 because I talked back to him. 248 00:12:10,146 --> 00:12:11,981 I was kicking and screaming and crying. 249 00:12:13,023 --> 00:12:14,692 He told me to perform 250 00:12:14,692 --> 00:12:17,486 sexual acts while his friends were in the back seat 251 00:12:17,486 --> 00:12:20,197 and, like, humiliated me in front of everyone. 252 00:12:20,197 --> 00:12:23,075 It was like he owned me. 253 00:12:31,250 --> 00:12:33,127 R. Kelly was definitely part of this milieu 254 00:12:33,127 --> 00:12:35,463 that also involved the Jacksons. 255 00:12:35,463 --> 00:12:37,006 Uh, both Michael and Janet, who were, 256 00:12:37,006 --> 00:12:40,968 uh, connecting R & B to the mainstream. 257 00:12:40,968 --> 00:12:43,012 BRUCE: Robert had actually did 258 00:12:43,012 --> 00:12:46,932 a remake on Janet, and when-when it did so well, 259 00:12:46,932 --> 00:12:49,143 that Mike liked it, 260 00:12:49,143 --> 00:12:51,312 and Mike wanted to work with Robert. 261 00:12:51,312 --> 00:12:54,315 Robert was like, he was really thrilled, you know, 262 00:12:54,315 --> 00:12:56,317 to get a chance to produce Michael Jackson. 263 00:12:56,317 --> 00:12:59,612 That was like a turn of his career. 264 00:12:59,612 --> 00:13:01,822 He let me hear-- he said, "Who's this?" 265 00:13:01,822 --> 00:13:03,491 I listened to the song, I said, 266 00:13:03,491 --> 00:13:05,493 "That's easy. That's Michael Jackson." 267 00:13:05,493 --> 00:13:07,453 "Come on, Bruce, man. 268 00:13:07,453 --> 00:13:09,497 You don't even know your brother's own voice?" 269 00:13:09,497 --> 00:13:11,290 I said, "That's you?" 270 00:13:11,290 --> 00:13:15,002 He sang the song himself, right, and let Mike hear them. 271 00:13:15,002 --> 00:13:17,004 And when Michael Jackson heard it, Michael said, 272 00:13:17,004 --> 00:13:19,840 (high-pitched voice): "Oh, my God, he sounds just like me." 273 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:21,842 (chuckles) 274 00:13:21,842 --> 00:13:23,844 He just said that he had something, like, 275 00:13:23,844 --> 00:13:26,597 really special that he had been working on. 276 00:13:26,597 --> 00:13:30,518 At this time, I'm a senior in high school, and... 277 00:13:30,518 --> 00:13:33,062 I found out that I was pregnant. 278 00:13:35,648 --> 00:13:41,028 And a few days later, I had a miscarriage. 279 00:13:43,155 --> 00:13:46,367 When he wrote it, he was thinking of me. 280 00:13:47,826 --> 00:13:49,703 So then he played it 281 00:13:49,703 --> 00:13:52,998 and he called the song "You Are Not Alone." 282 00:13:54,542 --> 00:13:56,544 NELSON GEORGE: R. writes him a really... 283 00:13:56,544 --> 00:13:59,880 great song about someone, um, 284 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:03,217 dealing with the idea of isolation, 285 00:14:03,217 --> 00:14:06,011 which is a big theme in Michael's music. 286 00:14:06,011 --> 00:14:09,139 JOVANTE: In hindsight, all of his songs, 287 00:14:09,139 --> 00:14:10,891 they're real stories. 288 00:14:10,891 --> 00:14:13,519 They're about different people during those times 289 00:14:13,519 --> 00:14:16,564 in different situations that were occurring with him. 290 00:14:16,564 --> 00:14:19,567 So, "Your Body's Callin'," things like that. 291 00:14:19,567 --> 00:14:21,235 "Sex Me." 292 00:14:21,235 --> 00:14:23,237 Those are real stories. 293 00:14:23,237 --> 00:14:25,739 "Age Ain't Nothing but a Number." He meant that. 294 00:14:25,739 --> 00:14:28,576 DR. JODY ADEWALE: A perpetrator might 295 00:14:28,576 --> 00:14:30,077 isolate an individual. 296 00:14:30,077 --> 00:14:32,705 It's easier for a perpetrator to abuse 297 00:14:32,705 --> 00:14:35,374 when that individual doesn't have resources. 298 00:14:35,374 --> 00:14:37,918 BRUCE: Me and my brothers, 299 00:14:37,918 --> 00:14:40,921 we all have our ways with our girls. 300 00:14:40,921 --> 00:14:44,300 We're very jealous guys. 301 00:14:44,300 --> 00:14:46,719 We don't want our girls doing certain things. You... 302 00:14:46,719 --> 00:14:48,304 Y-You're not gonna see our girls 303 00:14:48,304 --> 00:14:50,472 talking too much to people, and all this. 304 00:14:50,472 --> 00:14:52,725 That's-that's just the way we are. 305 00:14:52,725 --> 00:14:55,603 ANDREA: Robert has a lot of rules for people, 306 00:14:55,603 --> 00:14:56,937 but he doesn't have many for himself. 307 00:14:56,937 --> 00:15:00,441 Um, I think he wants to be perceived 308 00:15:00,441 --> 00:15:02,443 as the ultimate alpha male, 309 00:15:02,443 --> 00:15:05,070 when he's really the runt of the litter. 310 00:15:05,070 --> 00:15:08,949 There was a rule, being on tour with him. 311 00:15:08,949 --> 00:15:12,953 "The dancers do not communicate with my background singers, 312 00:15:12,953 --> 00:15:15,664 my band don't communicate with my dancers." 313 00:15:15,664 --> 00:15:18,959 He-he really ran it like a dictatorship. 314 00:15:18,959 --> 00:15:20,961 Like, when we would walk in as dancers, 315 00:15:20,961 --> 00:15:22,921 we walked in in a single-file line. 316 00:15:22,921 --> 00:15:25,299 We did not get to communicate 317 00:15:25,299 --> 00:15:27,301 with the other artists in the venue. 318 00:15:27,301 --> 00:15:29,637 We had to stay in our dressing rooms 319 00:15:29,637 --> 00:15:31,847 until it was time for you to hit the stage. 320 00:15:31,847 --> 00:15:35,267 My parents were trying to get a hold of me and they couldn't. 321 00:15:35,267 --> 00:15:39,438 I did not know that my cell phone number was being changed. 322 00:15:39,438 --> 00:15:41,523 And I believe 323 00:15:41,523 --> 00:15:44,902 he strategically did it so that he could have all this going on, 324 00:15:44,902 --> 00:15:48,781 and if I keep you locked away and keep you isolated, 325 00:15:48,781 --> 00:15:50,741 you don't get to see this other side. 326 00:15:52,284 --> 00:15:54,286 BRUCE: We used to talk with Andrea 327 00:15:54,286 --> 00:15:57,623 and the other dancers and stuff and have fun. 328 00:15:57,623 --> 00:16:00,918 But after they got married, no more of that. 329 00:16:00,918 --> 00:16:03,337 Just-- you know, she-- it was like, 330 00:16:03,337 --> 00:16:05,506 she wouldn't even speak to us. 331 00:16:05,506 --> 00:16:08,550 And it was hard to know if we could speak to her. 332 00:16:13,180 --> 00:16:16,517 Robert chartered a plane with a banner 333 00:16:16,517 --> 00:16:21,855 that said, "Andrea, will you marry me?" 334 00:16:21,855 --> 00:16:23,691 (chuckles) 335 00:16:23,691 --> 00:16:27,486 And then the dude dropped down in a parachute with a ring. 336 00:16:27,486 --> 00:16:31,198 And she said yeah. 337 00:16:31,198 --> 00:16:33,867 So it was a secret ceremony. 338 00:16:33,867 --> 00:16:36,286 He was really sneaky. 339 00:16:36,286 --> 00:16:38,205 And I would have loved for his brothers 340 00:16:38,205 --> 00:16:40,374 to be there with him. 341 00:16:40,374 --> 00:16:43,085 For memories, if nothing else. 342 00:16:43,085 --> 00:16:44,837 Fame is one thing. 343 00:16:44,837 --> 00:16:49,049 You know, but when you start to lose 344 00:16:49,049 --> 00:16:54,513 certain life's precious moments because of fame, 345 00:16:54,513 --> 00:16:56,306 I think I'd do without it. 346 00:16:57,558 --> 00:16:59,393 I felt bad. 347 00:16:59,393 --> 00:17:01,103 I could see that she wanted 348 00:17:01,103 --> 00:17:04,565 her people there, you know? 349 00:17:04,565 --> 00:17:08,694 She wanted her mom there, she wanted her dad there. 350 00:17:08,694 --> 00:17:11,613 But that's Robert, though. 351 00:17:12,614 --> 00:17:14,450 ANDREA: My wedding 352 00:17:14,450 --> 00:17:15,909 was a surprise wedding. 353 00:17:15,909 --> 00:17:17,911 I did not know I was getting married. 354 00:17:17,911 --> 00:17:20,873 We went to Colorado, and I remember 355 00:17:20,873 --> 00:17:23,751 coming into the hotel room, and there was violinists. 356 00:17:23,751 --> 00:17:25,669 There's a cello player. 357 00:17:25,669 --> 00:17:27,671 He had the cake, he had the food, he had everything, 358 00:17:27,671 --> 00:17:30,758 like he went over the top. 359 00:17:30,758 --> 00:17:33,761 Like, Robert, what if I wanted to do it in a church? 360 00:17:33,761 --> 00:17:35,721 What if I wanted to wear a wedding dress? 361 00:17:35,721 --> 00:17:38,057 I don't think he even understands 362 00:17:38,057 --> 00:17:41,101 that you've now crossed that line from being generous 363 00:17:41,101 --> 00:17:42,686 to being controlling. 364 00:17:46,273 --> 00:17:49,109 INTERVIEWER: Tell me about what happened in the end. 365 00:17:49,109 --> 00:17:50,944 What was the final straw? 366 00:17:50,944 --> 00:17:54,072 I caught mononucleosis from him. 367 00:17:54,072 --> 00:17:56,450 And my mono turned into Guillain-Barré, 368 00:17:56,450 --> 00:18:00,621 where my whole body was completely paralyzed, 369 00:18:00,621 --> 00:18:02,915 and I almost didn't make it. 370 00:18:02,915 --> 00:18:05,918 He sent my mother a thousand-dollar check. 371 00:18:05,918 --> 00:18:11,131 I was in ICU for two, two and a half weeks. 372 00:18:11,131 --> 00:18:14,426 I almost died. He was nowhere to be found. 373 00:18:16,470 --> 00:18:18,138 My best friend was very angry 374 00:18:18,138 --> 00:18:20,682 and said that I should stop seeing him. 375 00:18:20,682 --> 00:18:21,975 "You're just going there, 376 00:18:21,975 --> 00:18:24,645 like, you're like a prostitute, really." 377 00:18:24,645 --> 00:18:30,317 That hurt... but it was the truth. 378 00:18:30,317 --> 00:18:33,737 All these things that I didn't want to be, I became. 379 00:18:35,864 --> 00:18:39,284 He stole my life from me. 380 00:18:39,284 --> 00:18:42,454 Being abused like this... 381 00:18:42,454 --> 00:18:44,498 And I don't think he understands, 382 00:18:44,498 --> 00:18:47,334 girls that are young, how impressionable we are 383 00:18:47,334 --> 00:18:49,336 and how traumatic these experiences are. 384 00:18:49,336 --> 00:18:51,338 They change you forever. 385 00:18:51,338 --> 00:18:53,382 (sniffles) 386 00:18:54,716 --> 00:18:57,344 I decided to walk away. 387 00:19:00,430 --> 00:19:02,850 I didn't want to be a victim anymore. 388 00:19:10,107 --> 00:19:13,694 ANDREA: You fall in love with the charmer. 389 00:19:13,694 --> 00:19:17,072 You fall in love with his brokenness. 390 00:19:17,072 --> 00:19:20,576 And then, slowly, he lets the other one creep in. 391 00:19:21,618 --> 00:19:25,038 He's a control freak. 392 00:19:25,038 --> 00:19:26,665 Having to call him Daddy. 393 00:19:26,665 --> 00:19:28,041 There should not be repercussions 394 00:19:28,041 --> 00:19:29,710 if I don't call you Daddy. 395 00:19:29,710 --> 00:19:32,546 "I can control what you do, who you do it with, 396 00:19:32,546 --> 00:19:34,256 "how long you do it, where you go, 397 00:19:34,256 --> 00:19:37,050 what you wear, when you eat, when you sleep." 398 00:19:37,050 --> 00:19:39,052 (audience cheering) 399 00:19:39,052 --> 00:19:40,721 I honestly believe 400 00:19:40,721 --> 00:19:42,347 that he has a god complex. 401 00:19:44,433 --> 00:19:47,561 ADEWALE: There's a concept we call learned helplessness 402 00:19:47,561 --> 00:19:50,397 that allows people to feel like "there's nothing I can do 403 00:19:50,397 --> 00:19:52,149 to change this situation." 404 00:19:52,149 --> 00:19:54,568 The more sensationalized idea of sexual abuse, 405 00:19:54,568 --> 00:19:56,945 if someone's tied to a bed or hidden in a closet. 406 00:19:56,945 --> 00:20:00,574 (audience cheers) 407 00:20:00,574 --> 00:20:02,743 The chains and the handcuffs that we see 408 00:20:02,743 --> 00:20:04,411 are all psychological. 409 00:20:04,411 --> 00:20:06,580 And they're learned from a perpetrator 410 00:20:06,580 --> 00:20:09,249 who's very skillful at manipulating an individual 411 00:20:09,249 --> 00:20:11,209 to do what he or she wants. 412 00:20:11,209 --> 00:20:12,628 For example, 413 00:20:12,628 --> 00:20:15,756 often men will put out feelers out there. 414 00:20:15,756 --> 00:20:19,426 "Put out a feeler to see who's willing to allow me 415 00:20:19,426 --> 00:20:21,011 to cross this boundary." 416 00:20:21,011 --> 00:20:24,222 So, for example, one might be, um, "Call me Daddy." 417 00:20:24,222 --> 00:20:26,099 Something simple like that. "Call me Daddy." 418 00:20:26,099 --> 00:20:27,893 Okay, that's not the end of the world. 419 00:20:27,893 --> 00:20:29,811 It's not gonna cause you to psychologically be stuck, 420 00:20:29,811 --> 00:20:31,605 but that's step one. 421 00:20:31,605 --> 00:20:36,526 Step two, "Wear these types of clothes around me." 422 00:20:36,526 --> 00:20:38,612 Step three, 423 00:20:38,612 --> 00:20:42,032 "You can't move around the house unless I say so." 424 00:20:42,032 --> 00:20:44,826 So there's no real grandiose manipulation, 425 00:20:44,826 --> 00:20:48,622 it comes in a slow, step-by-step process. 426 00:20:48,622 --> 00:20:50,958 And once you're in, 427 00:20:50,958 --> 00:20:52,542 it's really hard to get out. 428 00:20:55,295 --> 00:20:58,298 SPARKLE: When I began working with R. Kelly, 429 00:20:58,298 --> 00:21:00,509 I did background vocals. 430 00:21:00,509 --> 00:21:02,469 I was hanging out with Robert at his crib. 431 00:21:02,469 --> 00:21:06,139 You know, the fellas were around, and I was the only girl. 432 00:21:06,139 --> 00:21:08,809 We were watching the Chicago Bulls playoff game. 433 00:21:08,809 --> 00:21:12,104 And I kept hearing this knock. 434 00:21:12,104 --> 00:21:15,357 And I'm just like, "Okay." 435 00:21:15,357 --> 00:21:17,526 Robert hasn't moved. 436 00:21:17,526 --> 00:21:19,861 He's focused on the TV. 437 00:21:19,861 --> 00:21:21,780 Knock again. And I'm just like, 438 00:21:21,780 --> 00:21:23,365 "Do you hear that knock?" I'm like, 439 00:21:23,365 --> 00:21:25,200 "Somebody's knocking, Robert." 440 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,495 And he leans back and he say, "Yeah." 441 00:21:28,495 --> 00:21:33,083 And she peeks out the door. 442 00:21:33,083 --> 00:21:35,002 His wife Drea. 443 00:21:36,503 --> 00:21:40,257 And I was like, "Oh, hell no," to myself. 444 00:21:40,257 --> 00:21:42,843 She wanted to come down 445 00:21:42,843 --> 00:21:44,511 to grab a bite to eat. She asked him, 446 00:21:44,511 --> 00:21:47,180 "Is it okay if I come down to grab some food?" 447 00:21:47,180 --> 00:21:51,018 And he was like, "Yeah, come on." 448 00:21:51,018 --> 00:21:56,273 And I was just like, "Wow. Never could be me." 449 00:21:58,817 --> 00:22:00,777 INTERVIEWER: Did he lock you up? 450 00:22:00,777 --> 00:22:05,574 'Cause we've heard stories where you were locked up. 451 00:22:05,574 --> 00:22:07,409 Is that true? 452 00:22:07,409 --> 00:22:08,869 ANDREA: There are certain things 453 00:22:08,869 --> 00:22:11,121 that Robert has done to me that, 454 00:22:11,121 --> 00:22:16,877 that I'm not willing to talk about today because... 455 00:22:16,877 --> 00:22:20,881 the pain, the disbelief, still. 456 00:22:25,302 --> 00:22:27,512 And the darkness of it. 457 00:22:29,389 --> 00:22:33,894 ADEWALE: Men or women, boys or girls stay 458 00:22:33,894 --> 00:22:35,395 in victimized situations 459 00:22:35,395 --> 00:22:37,272 due to something we call the "cycle of abuse." 460 00:22:37,272 --> 00:22:39,066 The-the first cycle of abuse is called 461 00:22:39,066 --> 00:22:41,902 the "honeymoon phase," where everything's great, 462 00:22:41,902 --> 00:22:43,487 everything's crimson and clover. 463 00:22:43,487 --> 00:22:45,489 I give you everything you need. I love you. 464 00:22:45,489 --> 00:22:47,449 I give you the sexual attention, the emotional attention, 465 00:22:47,449 --> 00:22:48,909 the financial attention. 466 00:22:48,909 --> 00:22:51,411 And then you start walking on eggshells. 467 00:22:51,411 --> 00:22:54,664 Little things, like, if you would do something wrong, 468 00:22:54,664 --> 00:22:57,417 instead of saying, "Hey, do it this way..." 469 00:22:57,417 --> 00:22:59,503 "Are you that stupid?" And you're like, 470 00:22:59,503 --> 00:23:01,004 "Why do I have to be stupid? 471 00:23:01,004 --> 00:23:02,089 "Just because I don't know how to do it, 472 00:23:02,089 --> 00:23:03,423 "it doesn't mean I'm stupid, 473 00:23:03,423 --> 00:23:05,092 "it just means that I haven't mastered it yet. 474 00:23:05,092 --> 00:23:06,676 I don't know how to do it." 475 00:23:06,676 --> 00:23:09,763 Down to the way he wanted his pancakes made, 476 00:23:09,763 --> 00:23:11,264 with the crispy edges. 477 00:23:11,264 --> 00:23:14,601 If they weren't crisp enough, uh... 478 00:23:14,601 --> 00:23:16,103 "You made it wrong." 479 00:23:16,103 --> 00:23:19,022 It would be the smallest things that you think 480 00:23:19,022 --> 00:23:22,651 would not make the average person feel inadequate. 481 00:23:22,651 --> 00:23:24,986 But you hear it enough, and you start thinking, 482 00:23:24,986 --> 00:23:27,823 "Okay, so, I'm not smart enough. I don't make the pancakes right. 483 00:23:27,823 --> 00:23:29,157 The milk was too cold." 484 00:23:29,157 --> 00:23:31,159 Then one time I make the milk too cold. 485 00:23:31,159 --> 00:23:32,786 (stammers) "It shouldn't have been this cold..." 486 00:23:32,786 --> 00:23:34,371 So you're just always on eggshells. 487 00:23:39,167 --> 00:23:41,795 BRUCE: After the marriage, though, 488 00:23:41,795 --> 00:23:43,463 she got real quiet. 489 00:23:43,463 --> 00:23:44,965 She was really quiet. 490 00:23:44,965 --> 00:23:50,095 And I think that was how Robert wanted it, you know. 491 00:23:51,805 --> 00:23:53,807 NORCOTT: Girls and women are relational in nature, 492 00:23:53,807 --> 00:23:56,143 which means that they develop and they thrive 493 00:23:56,143 --> 00:23:58,103 in connection with other people. 494 00:23:58,103 --> 00:24:01,189 If an individual wants to come in and be that most important 495 00:24:01,189 --> 00:24:03,859 relationship in her life, 496 00:24:03,859 --> 00:24:06,611 then slowly, over time, he can use that position 497 00:24:06,611 --> 00:24:08,905 to guide her behavior. 498 00:24:08,905 --> 00:24:10,532 So you'll start not doing things 499 00:24:10,532 --> 00:24:13,034 because "I don't want to irritate him. 500 00:24:13,034 --> 00:24:14,744 This is a really important relationship." 501 00:24:14,744 --> 00:24:18,373 It's a slow process of isolation, 502 00:24:18,373 --> 00:24:22,836 of tailoring this person to what you want her to be 503 00:24:22,836 --> 00:24:26,214 and how you want her to act. 504 00:24:26,214 --> 00:24:28,675 You don't even believe in your own sense of judgment 505 00:24:28,675 --> 00:24:30,385 after a while. 506 00:24:30,385 --> 00:24:32,262 And you're trying to figure out: 507 00:24:32,262 --> 00:24:35,182 how do I get him back to the good space? 508 00:24:35,182 --> 00:24:36,975 Okay, I'll take responsibility for-- 509 00:24:36,975 --> 00:24:39,853 I'll just say it's my fault. I'll say yes to whatever it is. 510 00:24:39,853 --> 00:24:42,355 I'll apologize, 'cause if I can just get him back 511 00:24:42,355 --> 00:24:45,609 to the good guy, the one that I fell in love with, 512 00:24:45,609 --> 00:24:48,111 then I'm in a good space. 513 00:24:48,111 --> 00:24:52,532 How do I stop it? How do I get you back? 514 00:24:52,532 --> 00:24:56,703 (crying): How do I get you back to the guy... 515 00:24:56,703 --> 00:24:59,331 that asked me to help him to read? 516 00:25:01,625 --> 00:25:03,752 SPARKLE: When I began working with Robert, 517 00:25:03,752 --> 00:25:08,965 I thought he was a genius. 518 00:25:08,965 --> 00:25:12,093 I definitely considered him as a mentor. 519 00:25:12,093 --> 00:25:15,597 He also became family to me. 520 00:25:15,597 --> 00:25:19,392 But he's-he's a controlling person. Yeah. 521 00:25:19,392 --> 00:25:22,270 JOVANTE: Sparkle has been around from the beginning. 522 00:25:22,270 --> 00:25:23,813 From day one. 523 00:25:23,813 --> 00:25:26,733 She's his original background vocalist. 524 00:25:26,733 --> 00:25:28,109 I don't know if you've ever heard her sing, 525 00:25:28,109 --> 00:25:31,238 but she's got an amazing voice. 526 00:25:31,238 --> 00:25:32,739 The octave range is, like, five. 527 00:25:32,739 --> 00:25:37,077 And she would actually be in the studio for hours. 528 00:25:37,077 --> 00:25:40,997 Robert and I spent a great amount of time together. 529 00:25:40,997 --> 00:25:45,252 The process of working on my debut album was crazy. 530 00:25:45,252 --> 00:25:48,088 ♪ All by myself ♪ 531 00:25:48,088 --> 00:25:53,593 ♪ Taking little man to church... ♪ 532 00:25:53,593 --> 00:25:56,805 The concept for "Be Careful" came from controlling Robert. 533 00:25:56,805 --> 00:25:58,765 He thought of the concept for the song, 534 00:25:58,765 --> 00:26:01,601 and he wanted it to now be a duet instead of just me singing. 535 00:26:01,601 --> 00:26:03,812 ♪ Two years ago ♪ 536 00:26:03,812 --> 00:26:07,148 ♪ Didn't know you had male friends ♪ 537 00:26:07,148 --> 00:26:08,608 ♪ Wait a minute. ♪ 538 00:26:08,608 --> 00:26:10,610 He... thought of everything. 539 00:26:10,610 --> 00:26:12,320 He thought of the video. 540 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,322 He thought of the clothing. 541 00:26:14,322 --> 00:26:15,782 He's a visionary, 542 00:26:15,782 --> 00:26:19,452 so he thinks of the steps. 543 00:26:19,452 --> 00:26:23,123 Where do we go now? And how do you want me to walk? 544 00:26:23,123 --> 00:26:25,125 And where do I want to see you and me driving down the street? 545 00:26:25,125 --> 00:26:27,502 And how do I flip my hair? 546 00:26:27,502 --> 00:26:28,670 He has all that down. 547 00:26:28,670 --> 00:26:30,297 So, yeah, that's him. 548 00:26:31,631 --> 00:26:35,802 Robert didn't allow pretty much anyone to speak to me. 549 00:26:35,802 --> 00:26:37,679 I'm just walking around, "Hey, everybody, hey!" 550 00:26:37,679 --> 00:26:39,472 And then I'm just like, 551 00:26:39,472 --> 00:26:43,184 "What's going on? Why aren't these people speaking back?" 552 00:26:43,184 --> 00:26:46,563 Come to find out, they couldn't speak to me. 553 00:26:46,563 --> 00:26:49,899 He wouldn't let them. 554 00:26:49,899 --> 00:26:53,486 That's not me 'cause I'm gonna speak to everybody and anybody 555 00:26:53,486 --> 00:26:55,322 and whoever I want to speak to. 556 00:26:55,322 --> 00:26:57,824 So, when I learned that, 557 00:26:57,824 --> 00:27:00,493 I would go out of my way to speak to people 558 00:27:00,493 --> 00:27:03,496 just to tick him off, because I'm just like, 559 00:27:03,496 --> 00:27:05,498 "Look, you can't tell me what I can 560 00:27:05,498 --> 00:27:07,459 "and cannot do. I'm not that girl. 561 00:27:07,459 --> 00:27:09,586 I'm not that chick. You can't stifle me." 562 00:27:09,586 --> 00:27:12,839 But I didn't know that... 563 00:27:12,839 --> 00:27:14,883 a bomb was coming. 564 00:27:21,056 --> 00:27:22,515 BRUCE: Robert, he loves basketball. 565 00:27:22,515 --> 00:27:25,560 I-I think he think he's, uh, Michael Jordan. 566 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,229 We used to go to Michael's house every weekend. 567 00:27:28,229 --> 00:27:30,482 Play basketball against him and his sons. 568 00:27:30,482 --> 00:27:32,400 He was thrilled about 569 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:33,651 Space Jam project. 570 00:27:33,651 --> 00:27:35,779 They actually sent Robert footage 571 00:27:35,779 --> 00:27:40,533 of Mike doing basketball moves slow-- in slow motion. 572 00:27:40,533 --> 00:27:42,535 He used to sit up and watch this footage and say, 573 00:27:42,535 --> 00:27:46,039 "Wow. Look at him. He just soars." 574 00:27:48,375 --> 00:27:50,502 "He just flies." 575 00:27:50,502 --> 00:27:52,337 He just came out with it. 576 00:27:52,337 --> 00:27:55,215 ♪ I believe I can touch the sky. ♪ 577 00:27:55,215 --> 00:27:56,591 And just started singing it. 578 00:27:56,591 --> 00:28:00,136 "Hey, that's it, that's it, that's it!" 579 00:28:00,136 --> 00:28:04,474 ♪ I believe I can fly ♪ 580 00:28:04,474 --> 00:28:07,519 ♪ I believe I can touch the sky. ♪ 581 00:28:07,519 --> 00:28:11,523 "I Believe I Can Fly" is a powerful song, 582 00:28:11,523 --> 00:28:13,775 and a lot of people have sung it at talent shows, 583 00:28:13,775 --> 00:28:16,778 it's one of those songs that inspired a lot of people. 584 00:28:16,778 --> 00:28:19,531 It was everywhere. Kindergarten graduations... 585 00:28:19,531 --> 00:28:22,575 ♪ I believe I can fly. ♪ 586 00:28:22,575 --> 00:28:24,911 LEMIEUX: High school graduations. 587 00:28:24,911 --> 00:28:28,331 SINGER: ♪ I believe I can touch the sky. ♪ 588 00:28:28,331 --> 00:28:30,458 -And in churches. -♪ Think about it ♪ 589 00:28:30,458 --> 00:28:33,503 ♪ Every night and day. ♪ 590 00:28:33,503 --> 00:28:35,255 It was just massive. 591 00:28:35,255 --> 00:28:38,842 It was a huge, huge song. 592 00:28:38,842 --> 00:28:42,929 It was a moment of redemption in some people's eyes and ears. 593 00:28:42,929 --> 00:28:44,556 People were amazed 594 00:28:44,556 --> 00:28:47,809 that this guy who was very pornographic in other contexts 595 00:28:47,809 --> 00:28:51,020 could walk in and do something spiritual. 596 00:28:51,020 --> 00:28:52,105 Religious. 597 00:28:52,105 --> 00:28:53,273 It was genius. 598 00:28:53,273 --> 00:28:55,692 LEMIEUX: I wonder, considering that 599 00:28:55,692 --> 00:28:58,194 the most famous thing that R. Kelly has ever done 600 00:28:58,194 --> 00:29:00,113 was "I Believe I Can Fly," 601 00:29:00,113 --> 00:29:03,992 did that, on some level, make people feel comfortable with him 602 00:29:03,992 --> 00:29:06,286 as somebody who was an entertainer for children? 603 00:29:06,286 --> 00:29:08,663 Or somebody who was a good gu? 604 00:29:08,663 --> 00:29:11,207 GEORGE: All these pop stars pick their titles, right? 605 00:29:11,207 --> 00:29:13,334 "I'm the Pied Piper of R & B." 606 00:29:13,334 --> 00:29:16,921 The Pied Piper was a, you know, a children's character 607 00:29:16,921 --> 00:29:20,300 who played a flute, I believe, and children would follow him 608 00:29:20,300 --> 00:29:23,428 down the road to whatever he was leading them. 609 00:29:23,428 --> 00:29:26,639 So, he literally pitched a metaphor 610 00:29:26,639 --> 00:29:28,850 for seducing young children with music. 611 00:29:28,850 --> 00:29:31,060 ABDON PALLASCH: If you grew up in Chicago, 612 00:29:31,060 --> 00:29:32,729 y-you've heard about R. Kelly. 613 00:29:32,729 --> 00:29:35,857 My son used to like Space Jam, so I had to watch 614 00:29:35,857 --> 00:29:39,152 "I Believe I Can Fly," the opening to Space Jam, 615 00:29:39,152 --> 00:29:41,988 about a hundred times when my son was two years old. 616 00:29:41,988 --> 00:29:47,035 Everything he put out at this point now was just a hit. 617 00:29:47,035 --> 00:29:49,245 And not just on the R & B charts. 618 00:29:49,245 --> 00:29:53,082 Like, he was now a bona fide pop artist. 619 00:29:53,082 --> 00:29:56,336 CRAIG: He won three Grammys that year. 620 00:29:56,336 --> 00:29:58,880 And, boy, did his head blow up big at that point. 621 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,799 Uh, he became untouchable in his mind. 622 00:30:01,799 --> 00:30:04,511 R. Kelly was one of those people hiding in plain sight. 623 00:30:04,511 --> 00:30:08,681 And sometimes we, as a society, are so in denial 624 00:30:08,681 --> 00:30:11,518 of people that we admire, that we don't want to see it. 625 00:30:18,816 --> 00:30:21,694 My name is Lisa Van Allen. 626 00:30:21,694 --> 00:30:24,030 I was 17 years old when I met Rob. 627 00:30:24,030 --> 00:30:25,657 A friend of mine-- 628 00:30:25,657 --> 00:30:27,992 his girlfriend was going to a video shoot. 629 00:30:27,992 --> 00:30:30,036 She was an aspiring singer, 630 00:30:30,036 --> 00:30:32,247 and he didn't want her to go by herself, 631 00:30:32,247 --> 00:30:34,624 so he asked me if I could go with her to the video shoot. 632 00:30:34,624 --> 00:30:38,294 It was for "Home Alone" with him and Keith Murray. 633 00:30:38,294 --> 00:30:41,631 Everyone was dancing, it was pretty upbeat. 634 00:30:41,631 --> 00:30:46,010 At some point, I guess he saw me, and he had his cousin 635 00:30:46,010 --> 00:30:49,305 come over to me and say, "Rob wants to talk to you." 636 00:30:49,305 --> 00:30:51,891 You know, I was kind of surprised 637 00:30:51,891 --> 00:30:53,393 when I actually ended up meeting him 638 00:30:53,393 --> 00:30:55,103 'cause I-I just thought I'd be the last one 639 00:30:55,103 --> 00:30:57,397 he would try to talk to because I was probably 640 00:30:57,397 --> 00:31:00,149 the youngest one there. 641 00:31:00,149 --> 00:31:02,402 Rob was sitting near the pool, 642 00:31:02,402 --> 00:31:04,654 and he was being really, really nice, and 643 00:31:04,654 --> 00:31:07,490 he asked me how old I was, and I told him I was 17. 644 00:31:07,490 --> 00:31:11,494 And he asked me, "Will your mother let you come to Chicago?" 645 00:31:13,871 --> 00:31:17,166 I knew he was at least 31, so I thought, 646 00:31:17,166 --> 00:31:20,169 when I said 17, that he'd be like-- you know, like, 647 00:31:20,169 --> 00:31:22,839 that was gonna be the deal breaker. 648 00:31:22,839 --> 00:31:25,675 But, um, it wasn't. 649 00:31:25,675 --> 00:31:27,927 SPARKLE: Young girls are impressionable. 650 00:31:27,927 --> 00:31:30,138 Like, he's R. Kelly. 651 00:31:30,138 --> 00:31:32,348 "Now, look who I get. 652 00:31:32,348 --> 00:31:35,518 Look who is showing me interest." 653 00:31:35,518 --> 00:31:38,813 He's charismatic, funny. 654 00:31:38,813 --> 00:31:41,774 And he's an all-around nice guy. 655 00:31:41,774 --> 00:31:46,362 But Robert is a mass manipulator. 656 00:31:46,362 --> 00:31:48,531 Like, everybody knows it now. 657 00:31:48,531 --> 00:31:50,450 They didn't know it back then. 658 00:31:50,450 --> 00:31:54,329 LISA: I had heard about Rob's reputation, 659 00:31:54,329 --> 00:31:57,332 about him dating Aaliyah, 660 00:31:57,332 --> 00:31:59,375 but I didn't assume that he liked younger girls. 661 00:31:59,375 --> 00:32:02,003 I just thought, at that moment, 662 00:32:02,003 --> 00:32:04,797 I just thought he liked me. 663 00:32:04,797 --> 00:32:09,510 He actually had me go on the bus, his tour bus. 664 00:32:09,510 --> 00:32:13,765 He wanted me to take off the little dressy clothes I had on. 665 00:32:13,765 --> 00:32:17,310 It went into him suggesting 666 00:32:17,310 --> 00:32:22,065 sexual acts like oral and sex. 667 00:32:24,108 --> 00:32:27,195 I felt like I shouldn't have done that so fast, 668 00:32:27,195 --> 00:32:30,490 but at the same time, I didn't want to tell him no, 669 00:32:30,490 --> 00:32:32,075 I guess, because I was young. 670 00:32:32,075 --> 00:32:34,619 (chuckles) Pretty much, and I just didn't want to tell him no. 671 00:32:34,619 --> 00:32:37,372 I thought he might be upset or, you know, not like me 672 00:32:37,372 --> 00:32:39,832 'cause I-I chose not to do it. 673 00:32:39,832 --> 00:32:43,670 I pretty much stayed on the bus in his T-shirt, 674 00:32:43,670 --> 00:32:46,881 and in between scenes, he would come back and forth on the bus 675 00:32:46,881 --> 00:32:50,093 until he finished shooting. 676 00:32:50,093 --> 00:32:52,387 We exchanged phone numbers, and he told me 677 00:32:52,387 --> 00:32:54,847 to go straight to the car and go straight home. 678 00:32:58,518 --> 00:33:01,562 When I first introduced my niece 679 00:33:01,562 --> 00:33:05,149 to Robert, it was at 12 years old. 680 00:33:07,193 --> 00:33:09,362 I asked my sister and my brother-in-law 681 00:33:09,362 --> 00:33:13,408 to bring her down to the studio to meet him. 682 00:33:13,408 --> 00:33:15,993 She was a rapper. 683 00:33:15,993 --> 00:33:18,746 She was a-a-a 684 00:33:18,746 --> 00:33:20,623 dope rapper, too, like, 685 00:33:20,623 --> 00:33:22,083 she was Bow Wow status 686 00:33:22,083 --> 00:33:23,626 when Bow Wow was the (bleep) back then. 687 00:33:23,626 --> 00:33:26,379 She was that status. 688 00:33:26,379 --> 00:33:27,880 I wanted 689 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:32,760 him to do what he was doing for me for her 690 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,055 because, like, I saw that hunger, I saw that drive. 691 00:33:36,055 --> 00:33:38,683 I saw that... 692 00:33:38,683 --> 00:33:42,854 wanting to be bigger than life, if you will, 693 00:33:42,854 --> 00:33:44,605 'cause she was that, she was totally that. 694 00:33:44,605 --> 00:33:45,815 And he saw it, too. 695 00:33:48,484 --> 00:33:50,570 Initially, my niece 696 00:33:50,570 --> 00:33:52,238 would come down to the studio with me 697 00:33:52,238 --> 00:33:53,990 'cause she wanted to see the ins and outs 698 00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:57,910 of-of how I was working and just be around the vibe of it all. 699 00:34:01,622 --> 00:34:04,375 She would sit on the couch. 700 00:34:04,375 --> 00:34:06,544 I would go in the booth and do my thing 701 00:34:06,544 --> 00:34:08,212 and I wouldn't take my eyes off her. 702 00:34:15,762 --> 00:34:18,014 There were a couple times that I came into the studio 703 00:34:18,014 --> 00:34:20,308 while I was still, um, under Rockland, 704 00:34:20,308 --> 00:34:24,812 that my niece would be in the studio room. 705 00:34:24,812 --> 00:34:28,357 And I would walk in like, "What you doing here?" 706 00:34:30,276 --> 00:34:31,944 "Who's here with you?" 707 00:34:31,944 --> 00:34:34,322 And she's like, "Oh, I got dropped off. 708 00:34:34,322 --> 00:34:35,948 "Robert's having a Christmas party 709 00:34:35,948 --> 00:34:38,618 "or some type of party and there's gonna be a lot of kids, 710 00:34:38,618 --> 00:34:40,620 "so we're all gonna stay, 711 00:34:40,620 --> 00:34:43,831 you know, at his house and, you know, have games and..." 712 00:34:43,831 --> 00:34:45,458 So then I was just like, "Okay." 713 00:34:50,463 --> 00:34:53,049 I was pissed when I saw her 714 00:34:53,049 --> 00:34:54,634 in the studio by herself. 715 00:34:54,634 --> 00:34:57,804 My parents were strict. 716 00:34:57,804 --> 00:35:02,141 We couldn't stay over or be around nobody's house. 717 00:35:02,141 --> 00:35:05,812 We couldn't spend the night at nobody's house if they had boys. 718 00:35:07,980 --> 00:35:11,567 You're just with Robert being supervised? Okay. 719 00:35:11,567 --> 00:35:13,986 I thought I left my niece in good hands. 720 00:35:15,029 --> 00:35:17,532 But think of a grown man 721 00:35:17,532 --> 00:35:19,826 hanging out with young girls. 722 00:35:19,826 --> 00:35:21,869 It just felt like... 723 00:35:21,869 --> 00:35:23,538 I just shouldn't have introduced them. 724 00:35:23,538 --> 00:35:25,832 Something ain't right. 725 00:35:32,547 --> 00:35:35,550 I actually waited about a month before I called him. 726 00:35:35,550 --> 00:35:38,678 He was pretty blunt. "When can you get to Chicago?" 727 00:35:38,678 --> 00:35:42,181 I told my mother the truth 728 00:35:42,181 --> 00:35:46,561 about where I wanted to go and who I was going to see. 729 00:35:46,561 --> 00:35:51,524 I think she knew that she really couldn't keep me from going 730 00:35:51,524 --> 00:35:54,110 because I already had made my mind up that I was going. 731 00:35:57,864 --> 00:36:00,700 It just went from the first visit, 732 00:36:00,700 --> 00:36:02,660 me going back home, 733 00:36:02,660 --> 00:36:04,036 the second visit, 734 00:36:04,036 --> 00:36:06,789 to pretty much where I just didn't end up leaving. 735 00:36:06,789 --> 00:36:08,207 I just would stay. 736 00:36:14,046 --> 00:36:17,717 In the beginning, sex happened at the studio a lot. 737 00:36:17,717 --> 00:36:19,385 In the studio he had bedrooms, 738 00:36:19,385 --> 00:36:22,346 so you didn't really have to go anywhere. 739 00:36:24,807 --> 00:36:28,561 It was pretty exciting for a young girl. 740 00:36:28,561 --> 00:36:33,566 CRAIG: Chicago Trax was a really, really big place. 741 00:36:33,566 --> 00:36:38,905 There's a bedroom in the middle of Studio A, the big room, 742 00:36:38,905 --> 00:36:41,115 where Rob had built a big queen-sized bed, 743 00:36:41,115 --> 00:36:44,577 and, you know, I'm like, "Wow" 744 00:36:44,577 --> 00:36:47,371 I thought that was quite strange. 745 00:36:47,371 --> 00:36:49,290 LISA: I felt special. 746 00:36:49,290 --> 00:36:51,417 I actually thought that I was his girlfriend. 747 00:36:51,417 --> 00:36:54,629 You know, I was li-living up there at that point. 748 00:36:54,629 --> 00:36:56,339 We were together all the time, you know. 749 00:36:56,339 --> 00:36:58,966 I had no reason to question that we weren't. 750 00:37:02,803 --> 00:37:05,514 Life in the studio, 751 00:37:05,514 --> 00:37:08,392 it was kind of boring for the most part. 752 00:37:08,392 --> 00:37:12,271 You really couldn't have much interaction other than, uh... 753 00:37:12,271 --> 00:37:13,606 Well, I couldn't have much interaction 754 00:37:13,606 --> 00:37:15,316 with anyone other than Robert. 755 00:37:15,316 --> 00:37:18,110 At that time I didn't know what a runner was, 756 00:37:18,110 --> 00:37:21,322 but, um, later on, I realized it was just, you know, 757 00:37:21,322 --> 00:37:24,492 the people that work at the studio, and they pretty much, 758 00:37:24,492 --> 00:37:26,327 pretty much, like, run errands. 759 00:37:26,327 --> 00:37:30,998 My mom would, um, call the studio. 760 00:37:30,998 --> 00:37:33,000 The runners would actually let 761 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,710 Robert know that I had a phone call, 762 00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:37,672 and then he would let them know to, 763 00:37:37,672 --> 00:37:39,840 like, transfer the call to me. 764 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:41,467 I do know that there were times 765 00:37:41,467 --> 00:37:43,052 where, when she would get through, 766 00:37:43,052 --> 00:37:45,137 and she'd be upset and saying she couldn't contact me 767 00:37:45,137 --> 00:37:47,056 and things like that. 768 00:37:47,056 --> 00:37:49,892 So it very well could've been times where she was calling 769 00:37:49,892 --> 00:37:53,479 and they weren't allowed to put me through. 770 00:37:53,479 --> 00:37:55,356 One time, 771 00:37:55,356 --> 00:37:57,650 one of his friends came to the studio 772 00:37:57,650 --> 00:37:59,986 and he's speaking to everyone, 773 00:37:59,986 --> 00:38:03,114 and just a normal reaction, you speak back. 774 00:38:03,114 --> 00:38:04,865 Um, Rob would get upset 775 00:38:04,865 --> 00:38:06,826 and say, "You're not supposed to speak to them. 776 00:38:06,826 --> 00:38:09,161 "You don't speak to anybody. You just look straight forward. 777 00:38:09,161 --> 00:38:11,372 If they speak to you, you don't say anything." 778 00:38:13,749 --> 00:38:15,501 Pretty early on, 779 00:38:15,501 --> 00:38:18,713 he kind of introduced you to everything that he was into. 780 00:38:20,339 --> 00:38:24,176 It was instructed to call him Daddy during sex, 781 00:38:24,176 --> 00:38:27,555 but it went from that to pretty much all time, he'd be Daddy. 782 00:38:27,555 --> 00:38:32,393 The first time Robert had me do a sexual act 783 00:38:32,393 --> 00:38:35,479 with him and another female, he actually told me 784 00:38:35,479 --> 00:38:37,189 it was going to be his first time 785 00:38:37,189 --> 00:38:38,816 and he wanted to do it with me. 786 00:38:40,860 --> 00:38:43,529 He would say things like, um, 787 00:38:43,529 --> 00:38:46,365 "Well, you know, if you love me, you won't try to change me." 788 00:38:46,365 --> 00:38:48,868 You know, "If you love me, you'll accept me how I am." 789 00:38:48,868 --> 00:38:51,370 You know, "If you love me, you'll do these things for me." 790 00:38:51,370 --> 00:38:53,873 So those would be the little pep talks he would give me. 791 00:38:53,873 --> 00:38:56,167 Robert would film 792 00:38:56,167 --> 00:38:59,295 our sex acts sometimes. 793 00:38:59,295 --> 00:39:02,631 He would never ask me if, um, it was okay to be filmed, 794 00:39:02,631 --> 00:39:04,467 but he never hid the camera 795 00:39:04,467 --> 00:39:05,885 or anything like that. 796 00:39:05,885 --> 00:39:09,513 Once we did the threesome, it became more frequent. 797 00:39:09,513 --> 00:39:12,975 Then he started introducing me to other young women. 798 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,857 The time that sticks out the most in my head. 799 00:39:19,857 --> 00:39:21,275 We had went to 800 00:39:21,275 --> 00:39:24,111 an awards show, and I had a great day. 801 00:39:24,111 --> 00:39:26,447 He had, had me buy this pretty gown. 802 00:39:26,447 --> 00:39:30,409 It was just me and him. It made me feel special. 803 00:39:30,409 --> 00:39:31,827 When we got back to the house... 804 00:39:33,913 --> 00:39:36,290 ...this young girl was there, and, um, 805 00:39:36,290 --> 00:39:38,417 he called her down. 806 00:39:38,417 --> 00:39:41,587 He told me that she was 16 and she was a neighbor. 807 00:39:41,587 --> 00:39:44,090 The way he had put it was kind of like, 808 00:39:44,090 --> 00:39:45,674 he was trying something different. 809 00:39:45,674 --> 00:39:48,135 You know, like, new, you know, with including her. 810 00:39:48,135 --> 00:39:51,472 We all went into the, uh, gym, 811 00:39:51,472 --> 00:39:53,974 and he had the Space Jam stuff all on the wall. 812 00:39:53,974 --> 00:39:57,603 And he pulled a-a futon mattress out of one of the rooms. 813 00:39:57,603 --> 00:39:59,021 And he brought it out there 814 00:39:59,021 --> 00:40:00,856 and laid it out. 815 00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:05,319 He pulled out his camera and his tripod, 816 00:40:05,319 --> 00:40:06,946 and, uh, I started crying 817 00:40:06,946 --> 00:40:08,823 when we started, uh, to have sex. 818 00:40:14,787 --> 00:40:16,622 I didn't want to do it, 819 00:40:16,622 --> 00:40:17,957 and, uh, he got upset. 820 00:40:17,957 --> 00:40:20,376 And he was like, um, "What am I gonna do with this?" 821 00:40:20,376 --> 00:40:22,711 He's like, "I can't watch this with you on here crying." 822 00:40:22,711 --> 00:40:24,296 He didn't care that I was crying; 823 00:40:24,296 --> 00:40:27,633 he was upset because he couldn't watch it because I was crying. 824 00:40:27,633 --> 00:40:30,803 He's, uh, coaching us through the whole thing. 825 00:40:30,803 --> 00:40:33,305 He's telling me, "Lee-lee, lay down." 826 00:40:33,305 --> 00:40:37,351 He's having us perform oral on each other. 827 00:40:37,351 --> 00:40:41,730 He starts to have, uh, intercourse with both of us. 828 00:40:41,730 --> 00:40:45,025 She seemed to be, like, know how things went 829 00:40:45,025 --> 00:40:47,153 without him really telling her much of anything. 830 00:40:47,153 --> 00:40:49,989 He was more instructing me, you know. 831 00:40:49,989 --> 00:40:51,991 And, um, I kind of felt like 832 00:40:51,991 --> 00:40:53,826 they've been there before, doing this. 833 00:40:53,826 --> 00:40:57,163 And once, um, everything's done, 834 00:40:57,163 --> 00:41:01,167 uh, she gets up and goes into the bathroom 835 00:41:01,167 --> 00:41:04,879 and, uh, she stays there until we're gone. 836 00:41:04,879 --> 00:41:08,174 But that wasn't the only place 837 00:41:08,174 --> 00:41:11,093 that we had sex with the young girl. 838 00:41:11,093 --> 00:41:12,845 We did also in one of his trailers 839 00:41:12,845 --> 00:41:14,513 for one of his video shoots. 840 00:41:14,513 --> 00:41:18,017 The other time was in the Colorado room, 841 00:41:18,017 --> 00:41:22,021 which is the wood room in the basement. 842 00:41:22,021 --> 00:41:24,481 He did tape us there as well. 843 00:41:34,909 --> 00:41:36,869 LISA: It took a while for me 844 00:41:36,869 --> 00:41:38,287 to get to that point where I really realized, 845 00:41:38,287 --> 00:41:41,248 it wasn't just me that was young that he liked. 846 00:41:41,248 --> 00:41:44,710 It wasn't a mistake with Aaliyah. 847 00:41:44,710 --> 00:41:45,920 It took a while for me 848 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,714 to just really think to myself and figure out, 849 00:41:48,714 --> 00:41:51,467 "You know what? This man really has a problem." 850 00:41:51,467 --> 00:41:54,887 Like, it's bigger than me and Aaliyah. It's a problem. 851 00:41:54,887 --> 00:41:57,431 POWERS: There are two ways that an artist 852 00:41:57,431 --> 00:41:59,600 can hide in plain sight. 853 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,685 One is to veil 854 00:42:01,685 --> 00:42:05,397 your bad behavior 855 00:42:05,397 --> 00:42:08,067 in good works, good music. 856 00:42:08,067 --> 00:42:12,154 Music that is uplifting and transcendent. 857 00:42:12,154 --> 00:42:14,573 These are the artists who, when we hear that they, 858 00:42:14,573 --> 00:42:16,116 uh, say, were involved in 859 00:42:16,116 --> 00:42:18,244 domestic violence, for example, 860 00:42:18,244 --> 00:42:20,579 or, uh, predatory behavior, 861 00:42:20,579 --> 00:42:22,248 we're horrified, we can't believe it. 862 00:42:22,248 --> 00:42:24,917 R. Kelly did a little of that 863 00:42:24,917 --> 00:42:26,919 with, uh, his inspirational songs and his 864 00:42:26,919 --> 00:42:29,880 kind of gospel side. 865 00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,133 The other way to hide in plain sight 866 00:42:33,133 --> 00:42:36,720 is to create outrageous art. 867 00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:41,141 Art in which you are embodying the very stereotype, 868 00:42:41,141 --> 00:42:43,102 uh, that your private life 869 00:42:43,102 --> 00:42:46,105 seems to fulfill. 870 00:42:46,105 --> 00:42:48,607 R. Kelly did this 871 00:42:48,607 --> 00:42:52,069 with extremely obscene songs 872 00:42:52,069 --> 00:42:54,822 about explicit sex acts 873 00:42:54,822 --> 00:42:58,951 that also used humor and outrageous metaphors. 874 00:42:58,951 --> 00:43:01,996 R. Kelly also did this in his performances, 875 00:43:01,996 --> 00:43:04,456 which were increasingly pornographic. 876 00:43:04,456 --> 00:43:07,501 -(crowd cheers) -(R. Kelly singing) 877 00:43:07,501 --> 00:43:12,339 So R. Kelly created and occupied 878 00:43:12,339 --> 00:43:14,133 a position of outrageousness 879 00:43:14,133 --> 00:43:18,345 that kind of masked everything 880 00:43:18,345 --> 00:43:20,180 that was happening behind the scenes. 881 00:43:20,180 --> 00:43:22,474 LISA: We'd be in the studio, 882 00:43:22,474 --> 00:43:24,643 and he'd have her parents in the studio 883 00:43:24,643 --> 00:43:27,396 and he would actually, um, pretend as if 884 00:43:27,396 --> 00:43:29,815 he cared that she was young. 885 00:43:29,815 --> 00:43:32,651 It surprised me because I knew that he was 886 00:43:32,651 --> 00:43:35,237 having sex with her, but he would put up this front 887 00:43:35,237 --> 00:43:36,655 for her parents. 888 00:43:36,655 --> 00:43:39,533 He knows that he's sleeping with this young girl. 889 00:43:39,533 --> 00:43:41,493 Him and I both were actually 890 00:43:41,493 --> 00:43:43,495 having sex with her. 891 00:43:43,495 --> 00:43:46,790 But I didn't know at the time 892 00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:48,834 that she was actually 14. 893 00:43:50,836 --> 00:43:53,088 I mean, I didn't know that side of him. 894 00:43:53,088 --> 00:43:54,381 You know, lying 895 00:43:54,381 --> 00:43:57,468 to her parents to get them to trust, 896 00:43:57,468 --> 00:43:59,345 uh, him with their child. 897 00:43:59,345 --> 00:44:02,014 Two years later, we were headd 898 00:44:02,014 --> 00:44:04,641 to one of his video shoots, and he actually had 899 00:44:04,641 --> 00:44:06,518 other females that he was cool with 900 00:44:06,518 --> 00:44:08,520 or had a sexual relationship with. 901 00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,565 The only time he would want you to communicate with them 902 00:44:11,565 --> 00:44:14,360 would be during the sexual act. Other than that, 903 00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,236 you don't speak to each other. 904 00:44:16,236 --> 00:44:19,198 You act like each other don't exist, 905 00:44:19,198 --> 00:44:21,283 but I sparked up a conversation, 906 00:44:21,283 --> 00:44:22,910 even though I wasn't supposed to. 907 00:44:22,910 --> 00:44:25,037 She had said something about getting a car. 908 00:44:25,037 --> 00:44:27,122 And I asked her-- she said when she turns 16 909 00:44:27,122 --> 00:44:29,375 she's gonna get a car. And I was-- I asked her, 910 00:44:29,375 --> 00:44:31,877 "Aren't you already 16? Weren't you already 16?" 911 00:44:31,877 --> 00:44:34,588 And she said, "No, no, I'm 15. 912 00:44:34,588 --> 00:44:36,590 I'm about to be 16." 913 00:44:38,300 --> 00:44:41,970 It rang a bell in my head at that moment. 914 00:44:41,970 --> 00:44:43,389 It made me feel, 915 00:44:43,389 --> 00:44:45,432 like, sick to my stomach. 916 00:44:45,432 --> 00:44:49,228 It made me feel disgusted 917 00:44:49,228 --> 00:44:50,896 'cause all of the sexual encounters 918 00:44:50,896 --> 00:44:53,357 were before I found out she was 14. 919 00:44:54,900 --> 00:44:59,071 (crying): It still haunts me, you know? 920 00:44:59,071 --> 00:45:03,492 It shouldn't have happened. 921 00:45:03,492 --> 00:45:07,413 I should have never introduced her to him. 922 00:45:07,413 --> 00:45:09,415 Like, how dare you? 923 00:45:11,291 --> 00:45:14,128 How dare you? 924 00:45:28,350 --> 00:45:31,728 One day an anonymous video was dropped off. 925 00:45:31,728 --> 00:45:33,105 Hard-core porn. 926 00:45:33,105 --> 00:45:36,275 This grown man urinating in the mouth of a child. 927 00:45:36,275 --> 00:45:37,776 A lot of people saw that pee tape. 928 00:45:37,776 --> 00:45:39,486 It was circulating in the streets. 929 00:45:39,486 --> 00:45:42,823 To see it visually, it (bleep) me up. 930 00:45:42,823 --> 00:45:44,158 Should've never happened. 931 00:45:44,158 --> 00:45:45,951 That set everything off. 932 00:45:45,951 --> 00:45:47,828 ANDREA: I'm pregnant. 933 00:45:47,828 --> 00:45:50,164 I was under so much stress. They couldn't find his heartbeat. 934 00:45:50,164 --> 00:45:51,498 That's when that day happened. 935 00:45:51,498 --> 00:45:53,208 D.A.: Mr. Kelly has been indicted. 936 00:45:53,208 --> 00:45:54,960 There's been a warrant issued for his arrest.