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This is all of Toby's medals.
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This is Toby's Purple Heart.
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He got this here
from injuries he got in Afghanistan.
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We were really proud of Toby
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when he got all these,
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but I would gladly give them
all back just to have him back.
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My name is Arunda Perkins.
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I'm Toby Gregory's mom.
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He did two tours of Afghanistan
back to back,
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and it was really bad.
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Toby was never the same
after that last tour.
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The military just done something to him
and he ain't my Toby now.
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I am Toby Gregory.
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I'm at the Jefferson City
Correctional Center
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in the state of Missouri.
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I was given a 24, uh, year sentence
for second-degree murder
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due to diminished capacity
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for PTSD.
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I was born, uh, July 16th, 1974.
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I grew up in the small town
of Belle, Missouri.
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There wasn't a whole lot to do there.
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We went out to creeks and partied.
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And I guess ever since then,
I realized that I like drinking.
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In my teenage years, it got more so.
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It didn't get totally out of control
until I…
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when I joined the military.
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Uh, then that was the pastime.
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I always thought about
joining the military when I was young.
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But when I first got off the bus
at Marine Corps boot camp,
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I was thinking, "What did I do to myself?"
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Why-- Why did I want to put myself
through this?
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But then, once I graduated,
I felt the sense of accomplishment
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of earning the title as a marine,
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and it-- It was great…
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for a while.
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She took a personal interest in me.
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And she did things to me that was not only
against policy, but against the law.
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She would come in at gunpoint…
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and she would sexually assault me.
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She would make me take Viagra
and have sex with her.
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She actually physically choked me,
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and I honestly believed that she
would have shot me and got away with it.
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She took everything from me.
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I felt weak.
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And I reported this.
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The things that I got was,
"Men don't get sexually assaulted."
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Uh, "You should be glad
that she's having sex with you."
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I was deployed to Afghanistan in 2008.
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I got assigned with the 2506 infantry.
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We were on the supplier route
and we took fire,
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rockets, basically every day.
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December 15th, 2008
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is where I got my traumatic brain injury
and received my Purple Heart.
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I heard the launch of a rocket.
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It actually hit the bunker
that we would have been in.
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And, and knocked me unconscious.
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I was shaken up.
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I was bleeding from the nose and mouth.
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I couldn't regain focus.
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I wasn't flown out
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because they needed everybody there,
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but there was reports
that I wasn't acting right.
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The doctor did a couple MRIs.
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She noted in my file that there is
substantial damage to my frontal lobe,
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and she documented
that it was due to the deployments.
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There was a connection.
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Because all my time in the military trying
to talk to somebody, nobody understood me.
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I got the feeling
that people would think I was crazy.
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But she didn't
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because she shared the same experiences
and things in her life,
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so I felt a connection.
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Inez is being sent
to Fort Leonard Wood, Missouri,
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and I was retiring and coming home.
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I moved up around St. Louis.
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And finally me and Inez
got married in 2013.
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I had problems adjusting to civilian life.
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I wasn't really able to keep a job
or maintain a job.
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And I was still trying to adjust.
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I didn't want to admit
that I was breaking down.
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I don't remember anything from that day.
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People that had seen me that day
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said that they talked to me,
but I wasn't right.
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And I had a lack of sleep, lack of meds.
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Alcohol was involved.
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I woke up the next day
handcuffed to a bed.
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I shot myself under the chin.
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It blew my front teeth out.
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All that's holding my face together
is metal plates.
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When they told me
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that the person that was gone was Inez…
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It devastated me.
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Because at first,
I was in complete denial.
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And I guess, uh, still to this day,
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I am.
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I loved her,
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and I wouldn't…
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I wouldn't have done it…
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without there being other variables.
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And I believe
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that my combat service and PTSD
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was the cause.
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I was proud to have served.
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I was proud of everything
that I have accomplished.
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But honestly, because of what happened,
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I would not have served
one day in the military.
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For the past 24 odd years, uh,
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I've had experience treating veterans
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from a variety
of different combat exposures
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from Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam.
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I wish that this was an isolated case.
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Unfortunately, when you look
across the United States,
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they're happening way more often
than they should be.
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My name is Dr. Steve Bruce.
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In 2016, I was contacted
by Toby Gregory's defense attorney
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to evaluate Mr. Gregory in jail,
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uh, determine whether or not
his trauma history
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may have become a part
of why, uh, his behavior became so erratic
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that he ended up
shooting his wife that day.
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I met with Mr. Gregory, uh, in jail
for several hours
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in a room with just he and I.
No attorneys were present.
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Mr. Gregory's medical records
were significant
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for a trauma history
while in the military.
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While in combat in Afghanistan, uh,
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Mr. Gregory suffered
from a traumatic brain injury.
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He stated that he started
to become more paranoid
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such that he thought the soldiers
that he was working with
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were becoming part of the enemy.
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It puts, obviously, them at risk
and himself at risk
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to the point where his commander
noticed that paranoia going on as well.
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And they removed him
from active deployment
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and sent him back home.
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When I asked him about the events
of the day of the shooting,
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he indicated that he had
very little memory of the shooting itself.
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He did indicate that he had been drinking
very, very heavily
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prior to seeing his wife
and meeting her at the hotel.
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The fact that he was intoxicated,
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you're usually not going to remember
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the events surrounding that
particularly well.
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With his long history of alcohol abuse
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in response to the triggers
that he's having,
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I'm confident that these significant
psychological and PTSD symptoms
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contributed to him shooting his wife.
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If he did not have PTSD,
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I'm certain this does not happen.
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My job is not to excuse or justify
the crime that they have committed.
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My job starts and ends
with the evaluation.
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What happens after that
is up to the judge, the jury,
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to determine the outcome.
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I was expecting this case to go to trial.
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I was expecting to be cross-examined
by the prosecutor.
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I was expecting all of that.
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So, the fact that a plea agreement
was made, uh, was surprising to me,
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particularly
in a first-degree murder case.
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The district attorney
really, really, really let us down.
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They agreed to a plea deal
without letting any of us know.
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Why couldn't we have a trial by jury?
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That would have been the only thing
that would have given us some peace.
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Though it would've been a tough one,
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that's what we were prepared to do
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that was justifiable for Inez's murder.
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My name is Tonya, and I'm Inez's aunt.
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Inez and Toby lived here with me
for about three months
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while they were searching
for a place to live.
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They had a… a little baby boy named Blake.
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He was adorable.
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Inez knew that I had concerns.
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It was a sad
and very controlling relationship.
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He told her how to dress,
how to eat, how to move around.
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It worked on her sense of being
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until she believed
that she wasn't good enough,
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and that's how he hurt her.
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Toby always threatened to hurt people.
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Toby threatened to kill me to my face
as well as all of my family.
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He told my stepdad and my ex-husband
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that he would pick us off one at a time
from the road and shoot us.
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He didn't like us being involved with her
in any form.
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He wanted total control.
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Inez and I had many conversations.
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I had encouraged her to try to leave
because I was worried for her safety.
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She says, "I know, Aunt Tonya,
and I'm scared, too."
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Inez and Toby had agreed to a divorce
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where they shared custody
of their child, Blake.
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He had to have two weeks with Toby
and two weeks with Inez,
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but it kept being complicated by having
a hard time getting Blake back from Toby.
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Blake was used as a tool
to keep Inez in his life.
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Toby was trying to take control
and that child away from Inez.
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That was his goal.
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So she moved back to New Mexico
to be around family,
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and we convinced her to get legal help.
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Inez showing up in court
with her own attorney
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really angered Mr. Gregory
to the point of no return.
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He was so livid with that
because he had lost control.
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I shared text messages with Inez
the day that she was murdered.
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She told me he's gone crazy
and that she needed some help.
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She was afraid.
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I don't remember what happened
the day of the shooting.
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I loved her,
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and…
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I think about the good things.
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How much she loved the kids,
how great she was.
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When they told me that
the person that was gone was Inez…
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…it devastated me.
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Because, at first,
I was in complete denial.
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And I guess, still to this day,
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I am.
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I loved her.
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Mm…
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What a real piece of work.
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Wow.
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Boy, that angers me.
I can hear that slur in his voice.
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He is lying through his teeth.
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Toby took that life out of anger.
He didn't get his way.
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He didn't get his way in court,
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and he planned it all out,
without a doubt.
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I did not think
they were a good match at all.
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I always felt like
there was something wrong.
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I always felt like I should have probably
reached out to her a little bit more.
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To find out the end result
was awful for me.
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My name is Jesse Anderla.
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I served with Toby Gregory
in the Army, uh, in Fort Carson, Colorado
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back in 2009 to 2012.
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Toby didn't really have, uh,
a lot of friends, uh, other than me.
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He kept to himself.
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You know, I was surprised
that he even let me into his life.
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We started going, like, fishing
every now and again,
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or we'd go up into the mountains
and shoot guns.
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He was always a good guy to me,
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and it was nice to have him as a friend.
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When I first met Toby,
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he told me that he was going through
his fourth divorce.
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He was in his mid-thirties,
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so I was like, "Whoa, like,
how in the heck?"
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Like, how do you go through four divorces
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in, you know, that short amount of time?
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He was almost proud of it too.
Like, that's the crazy part about it.
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Me, Toby, and Inez
were all in Afghanistan.
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Inez, she was a great soldier.
She was happy.
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She was a great, great person.
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Toby had told me that him and Inez
were essentially having an affair.
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And it was honestly kind of shocking
when Toby told me that they got married.
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You know, all of a sudden,
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she's out of the military,
he's out of the military,
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they're in Missouri,
they're getting married there,
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and they had a kid.
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I was just like, "Whoa, like, you know,
how is this gonna work?"
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And I think I was, over the years,
his confidant.
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I think that I was able to talk him down
from a lot of things
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and to calm him down and everything else.
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If he would have called me
and talked to me,
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I think that I could have probably
prevented this from happening, honestly.
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When the forensics evaluation came
from St. Louis,
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he evaluated me in detail.
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In that report, he stated that combat PTSD
played a part
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in this shooting
and the shooting of myself.
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I think it was a triggered PTSD response
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with the stress, lack of meds.
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That is what I feel.
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That is what I believe.
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It kind of pisses me off, not gonna lie.
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It kind of pisses me off
that he's saying that
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because there's people that literally
do have a lot of issues because of PTSD,
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and to sit there
and blame this on PTSD is wrong.
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So, like, with my PTSD,
I don't like being in crowds.
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I don't-- You know, it's…
It's scary for me.
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My adrenaline goes,
and I start sweating, and I'm paranoid.
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If I had a gun in that situation,
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I'm not gonna pull it out
and just start shooting people.
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I'm not gonna drive across town
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and be like, "I had a trigger.
Let me go in and shoot somebody."
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PTSD, it doesn't work like that.
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Like, nobody…
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Nobody has a reaction for that long.
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I love the guy, you know?
He's my buddy, my friend, right?
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But no matter how much I love him,
he did this.
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He committed a crime. He killed somebody.
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To me, it was an open and shut case.
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Toby Gregory got in his car angry
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and took off headed towards Owensville.
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It was first-degree murder.
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I had no doubts about that.
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My name's Randy Esphorst.
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I was Gasconade County Sheriff
from 2004 through 2016.
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When I arrived, I saw somebody being
loaded into an ambulance and taken away.
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I went down to where the other victim was.
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I took the blanket off,
and I saw a female.
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Laying on her back
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with multiple gunshot wounds
mostly to the head.
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While I was in the parking lot,
I happened to look up and I saw a camera.
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So I went to the manager's office
and asked him,
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"Do your surveillance cameras work?"
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And he said, "Yes, it does."
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It's hard for me to watch
because I know what's going to happen.
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He got out of that car, and there are
four other doors before you get to hers.
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He just walked past those
and went directly to the end room.
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We found blood in the room,
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so we know that she was shot
at least once in there.
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But she was still able to walk
out of the room,
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and…
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then she just collapsed onto the ground,
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and he just stands over her,
and he fires four shots,
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and then kicks her in the head.
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I mean, this is… rage.
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This is just out of control rage.
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It's an execution.
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I mean, there's no other word for that.
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It's an execution.
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It should have been first-degree murder,
and it should have been life.
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Or it should have been
the needle in the arm.
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It says in the Bible
that I'm not supposed to hate anybody.
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I have a hard time with that one.
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Because I have a lot of hatred and anger
inside of me for that person…
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…and I don't like the way
it makes me feel.
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I'm John Tulk.
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Inez was my only daughter.
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When Inez came to me
and told me she was joining the military,
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it kind of scared me
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because Desert Storm was going on
and things like that.
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But I felt real proud of her
because I knew that's what she wanted,
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she wanted to serve her country.
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And then she met Toby.
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Yeah, I told Inez
that I didn't trust the guy
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and I didn't feel right about the guy.
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I had bad vibes, which I don't usually
have those with very many people, but…
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but he gave them to me,
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and, uh, she said, "No, it's okay."
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So, I said… I told her just to keep
her eyes open and be real careful.
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He was very insecure and cowardly,
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and he would threaten people.
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Well, not to their face,
but behind their back,
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saying, I don't know,
"I-- I can kill anybody."
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"I can get away with it
because I can claim PTSD."
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That was one of his biggest things.
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Get out of jail free card
is what he considered it.
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I received a phone call
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explaining that they had
signed a plea deal,
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which really bothered me
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because this man murdered my daughter
in cold blood.
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I told the lawyer on the telephone
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that he told me how he could kill anybody
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and claim PTSD
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and he would get away with it.
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The lawyer told me,
"Oh, I didn't know that."
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I said, "Because you never called me."
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They'd never called me
to ask me questions.
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Inez was, uh, the most important thing
in my life, and…
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to know I…
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…can never hold my daughter again
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just tears me up.
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It hurts my heart
more than I could ever explain. It's, uh…
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I…
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I just miss my baby.
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Man…
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I can understand
why people might not believe
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that I don't remember anything
from that day.
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00:40:06,243 --> 00:40:09,683
I don't know if I was on autopilot
or what was going on or…
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what my state of mind was.
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And that is something that I'll have
to live with for the rest of my life.
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Nobody is gonna punish me
more than I punish myself.
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Um, every day, I'm reminded
by the scar on my face
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that even though
I can't remember the events,
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I know what took place.
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Um, why I'm here.
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PTSD, it's more of an immediate thing.
So, as soon as…
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Like, "Okay, this happened.
Now I have this reaction," right?
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And then, once you're out of that moment,
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it, you know, you start to calm down
and your adrenaline starts to drop.
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If I had a gun in that situation,
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I'm not gonna pull it out
and start shooting people.
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00:41:06,403 --> 00:41:10,123
Like, nobody…
Nobody has a reaction for that long.
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00:41:12,923 --> 00:41:16,603
I'm not gonna lie, it-- It hurts.
It hurts to hear him say that.
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PTSD is not
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an instant.
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PTSD could last for days.
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00:41:22,003 --> 00:41:26,603
It's about the event that's taken place,
uh, where your mind's at.
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00:41:30,883 --> 00:41:35,923
I don't know what played out
from that morning till when this happened.
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00:41:36,003 --> 00:41:37,563
You can't say,
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"Hey, if I had a gun, I'm gonna…
I'm not gonna do this."
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00:41:40,563 --> 00:41:42,363
How do you… How do you know?
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Because you've never been
in that situation where you had it.
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I think I should be released.
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00:42:01,163 --> 00:42:05,003
I mean, I-- I want to be released.
Nobody wants to be in prison.
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00:42:05,083 --> 00:42:09,483
But my intention is not to just…
to go back out and try to live my life.
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00:42:10,243 --> 00:42:13,483
My intention is to go to the VA Hospital.
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00:42:17,803 --> 00:42:19,883
I know what some people will say.
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00:42:20,683 --> 00:42:24,003
They will say that, "He shouldn't be out.
He should never be out."
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00:42:24,643 --> 00:42:25,603
Um…
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00:42:25,683 --> 00:42:27,843
"If he did it once,
he's gonna do it again."
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00:42:29,803 --> 00:42:34,963
But this prison environment
is another battlefield.
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00:42:37,043 --> 00:42:40,643
Treatment for PTSD
is non-existent in here.
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00:42:42,403 --> 00:42:45,283
I can't talk about things
that I'd done in combat
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because they might take it the wrong way.
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00:42:47,403 --> 00:42:50,123
I've been told this,
that I can't mention none of this,
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00:42:50,203 --> 00:42:52,323
but this is what I need to talk about.
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00:42:56,843 --> 00:42:58,723
But if you're released
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00:42:58,803 --> 00:43:02,523
and you haven't had the treatment
that you say you need,
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00:43:03,443 --> 00:43:06,363
is that not dangerous
to let someone like you out?
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00:43:09,483 --> 00:43:10,443
It's…
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00:43:10,523 --> 00:43:11,443
It's, um…
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00:43:14,483 --> 00:43:15,323
I'm not…
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00:43:16,483 --> 00:43:18,163
I'm not gonna answer that one.