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[somber instrumental music plays]
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[woman] I'm so sorry.
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I wish I could change things
and go back in time and...
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just not have any guns
in the house at all.
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[music intensifies]
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I hope someday that I can get out.
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But I know that I took a life
and I got to pay for that.
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And um, I'm so sorry that I did it.
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And uh, if I could bring him back,
I would.
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But I can't bring him back.
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[music crescendos]
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[eerie instrumental music plays]
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[somber instrumental music plays]
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Should my hair be behind me
or in front of me?
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I think it should be in front of you.
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My name is Victoria Smith.
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I was convicted of first-degree murder.
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My sentence was, uh, life
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plus 25 years.
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[downbeat melodic music plays]
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I grew up in, uh, Poplar Bluff, Missouri.
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I have, uh, eight siblings.
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Two have passed,
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and uh, the main two I was close to
was Roxie and Betty.
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I'm really close to Betty.
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She's my baby sister.
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I was slow growing up.
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Uh, like, learning disabilities.
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I had learning disabilities
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and I wasn't mentally right.
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I've always had problems.
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You know, I'm average
or below average education.
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My mom raised us on Social Security.
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I don't know who my father was.
My mother never told...
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Well, she told me that it could have been
a riverboat captain
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or a man that worked on the riverboat,
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but it was never confirmed.
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But I felt my mom had a tough love.
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I called it tough love,
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and uh, it made me a stronger person.
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I think that I wouldn't be
as strong as I was
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if it wasn't have been for my mother.
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I don't like to put my mother down,
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but she had a drinking problem
when we was growing up,
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and, uh, when she would drink,
she would take everything out on me.
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She would kick me
and hit me with her fists,
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and pull my hair and...
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I mean, just physical abuse, you know.
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It was at least two or three times a week.
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That's pretty much how I was raised,
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up until I was 15.
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And then I went and moved to Louisiana
with my older sister Goldie.
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[melodic instrumental music plays]
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He was a big baby.
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He was 23.5 inches long.
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He weighed 8 pounds, 10.5 ounces,
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and I just thought
he was the greatest thing.
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He was just everything,
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everything to me.
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[birds and insects chirping]
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His father, during the whole,
I'd say he... He...
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He abused me a lot.
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He... He was an alcoholic too.
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I mean, it was normal for me to be abused.
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He would choke me and, you know, punch me.
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And it seems like every relationship
that I've ever been in, um,
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it's been abuse.
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There's been a lot of abuse...
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[inhales sharply]
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...and, um, it's hard.
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It really was. It was hard.
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[sniffles]
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I wanted to protect Kenny from the world.
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And I definitely didn't want him
to be abused or anything.
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I wanted to make sure
that he had a good life.
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And he wouldn't have had that
if I'd have stayed with his father.
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I started working full-time,
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and my mom started taking care of my son.
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I liked to go out on the weekends.
And, you know, I was a single person.
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Because I went through a stage
of a drinking problem too.
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And uh, I should have been
more at home with my son.
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My mother thought
that I could have been a better mother.
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Uh, she, uh, made me sign a paper
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saying that he... she was
had full custody of him
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or I could no long...
we could no longer live with her.
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It broke my heart.
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It really did. It broke my heart.
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It just made me feel like, uh...
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I was losing my child.
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I really lost it a little bit.
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And, in my mind, um...
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I started drinking more and, uh...
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I started taking, uh, pills
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and stuff that I shouldn't be doing.
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[somber melodic music plays]
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I was 34 years old, when me and Chris
started dating. He was 30.
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And, uh, it was a good relationship
as we started out because he didn't drink.
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He was pretty, pretty gentle
at the beginning.
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And he was a very good-looking man.
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We had a lot of fun.
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[birds chirp]
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[melodic music plays]
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Chris worked for a private company.
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And, uh, he hurt his back
from the, the labor that he had to do.
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After that, he started taking opioids.
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[grim music plays]
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He changed.
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He started becoming more aggressive.
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There's times I had to go to the hospital,
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where he had shoved me into, like,
coffee tables and stuff like that.
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And I had broken ribs.
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Several times I had to call my sister
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because I thought he...
he was basically gonna kill me.
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And I was always scared
that something like that may happen.
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[music intensifies]
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[tense music plays]
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I pretty much ran the household.
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Paid the bills, cooked the meals.
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And I couldn't do those things
as well as I could.
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I tried, but I was too weak.
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[music intensifies]
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Chris was mad because I couldn't do
the things I used to do.
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He got way more aggressive.
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I mean, it was to the point
where he was like a madman at times.
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Between the medications
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and the stress that I was under,
and... from not sleeping,
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Uh...
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I was hallucinating.
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And, uh, it was really getting bad,
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and I was ready to leave.
I was ready. I was,
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I was in the process
of getting my things out of the home,
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getting rid of what I didn't need,
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and um, um...
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when the incident happened.
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[music crescendos]
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[grim instrumental music plays]
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This is what I remember.
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I was laying down, but I was awake.
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And I went to the kitchen.
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I was gonna get...
grab a pack of cigarettes, and um...
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[music intensifies]
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I didn't grab the cigarettes.
I grabbed a pistol.
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Something told me to end him.
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[tense music plays]
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Chris was sleeping.
He was asleep on the couch.
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The time I shot him.
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[gunshots ringing]
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[gunshots continue]
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And that's the last I remember.
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[somber instrumental music plays]
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[sniffles]
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[grim music plays]
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[somber melodic music plays]
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[woman 1] You and Chris used to ride
that big, old tricycle
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off the high side of that porch...
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[man] Yeah, we'd jump 'em back here,
though.
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[woman 1] Yes, then you boys would be
out there and get your boots
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stuck in the cow patties.
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[laughter]
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[woman 2] I remember one time
that I think Kenny and Millie saw her.
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[woman 1] And even though Chris
isn't here with us,
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we've still got
all of our good memories of him.
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- [man] Yep.
- [woman 1] He's living on through us, so...
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[sniffles]
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This is Chris whenever he was a baby,
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and that's Kay, and Billy, and that's me.
[sniffles]
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[woman 2] We called him Kojak.
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- Yes. He was bald-headed.
- [man] Yeah. [laughs]
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Is that how he got his name?
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- Because of his bald head?
- Yes.
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- [woman 1] Didn't Daddy make that name up?
- Yes.
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[woman 1] He was a sweet little boy
growing up.
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He just loved everybody.
He was just full of life.
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[indistinct conversation]
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I am Cathy Colbert,
and Chris Isaac was my little brother.
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There were eight of us all together.
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Five girls and three boys.
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[photos rustling]
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Here's a graduation picture of him
when he graduated from Puxico High School.
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And, um, we were so proud
to see him graduate
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because Chris had learning disabilities.
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And, um, for him to graduate,
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it was just a really good day
for all of us. [sniffles]
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The best way to describe him
is a big loving teddy bear
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because that's what he was.
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- Gentle.
- Yes.
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Yeah. Very gentle.
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[Cathy] I was working at the time,
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and, um, I had a phone call.
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The gal out at the office
came out and told me,
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"Cathy, you need to come..."
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I'm sorry.
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[sniffles]
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"You need to come take this phone call."
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[sniffles]
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"It's very important."
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I said, "Well, what is it?" [sniffles]
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She said, "I can't tell you."
I said, "Is it...?"
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[sniffles] "Is it bad?"
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"Just tell me if it's bad."
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[sniffles]
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And she said, "Yeah."
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[sniffles]
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It was my sister Gina.
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[sniffles] She said, um, "Chris is dead."
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[sniffles]
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"Vicky shot him."
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[sniffles] I'm sorry.
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[sniffles]
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It didn't make any sense at all
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because I knew they had...
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they had some troubles, you know,
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and most couples do have some troubles.
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But, I mean, it just really blew my mind,
you know, when,
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when we found out
she was the one who killed him.
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I couldn't believe it.
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That wasn't the Vicky we knew.
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There's just so many unanswered questions,
you know.
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So many unanswered questions. [sniffles]
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[woman 2] I felt like a double whammy
that day
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because I was so close to Vicky,
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and still to this day, it breaks my heart,
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because, I mean,
I loved her like one of my sisters.
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We all did.
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I don't know what happened.
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[sighs]
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[sniffles]
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[sighs]
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[insects chirping]
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[grim instrumental music plays]
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[music intensifies]
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[woman] There are no sure things,
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especially with a criminal investigation.
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You better make sure
that you've looked in every corner
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because you don't know
what's hiding around it.
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My name is Betty Frizzell.
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I started out as a deputy sheriff
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in a little county
not too far from Poplar Bluff.
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And then, eventually,
became a chief of police.
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I've been studying the Chris Isaac case
for years,
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probably since the day it happened.
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I didn't work directly on the case.
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'Cause I didn't want to get involved.
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I wanted to live
my nice little life in St. Louis.
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But I became involved
because I had reservations
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that Victoria did the actual shooting.
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I know when Victoria is lying.
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Because I'm Victoria's sister.
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[music intensifies]
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This is the house that we bought,
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and I was a grade-school girl
and Vicky was a...
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a teenager.
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I had the back bedroom,
and Vicky had the middle bedroom,
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and Mom had the front bedroom.
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[birds chirping]
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It brings, like,
a lot of feelings of sadness.
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A lot of broken dreams.
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It's like a... a monument to Vicky's life.
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[quavers] Tries to look pretty,
but it's still very damaged.
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[somber instrumental music plays]
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My earliest memory
is Vicky getting in trouble...
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[inhales]
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...and my mom was mad a lot,
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especially if she'd been drinking.
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Vicky had a slower intellect
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and didn't know
how to control her behavior.
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[swallows]
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Vicky was the first time
I ever seen anything bleed.
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[inhales]
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And it was not just
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a... a spanking.
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It was fist, and it was hair-pulling
and kicking.
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Just like if she was getting in
a bar fight,
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but with this little, 11-year-old girl.
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Vicky would take every bit of beating
that my mom would throw out.
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If my mom was hitting me,
Vicky would try to make her mad
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so that she would
deflect her attention onto her.
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She protected me because she wanted me
to have the life that I have now.
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[sobs]
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[sniffles]
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I think Vicky's one of the most
self-sacrificing people I've ever met.
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[eerie music plays]
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I don't believe Victoria killed Chris.
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I believe it was somebody else.
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[music intensifies]
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I believe it was my nephew Kenny.
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[music intensifies]
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This is not just an open and shut case
of two opioid addicts,
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that one decided to kill the other.
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I believe the police
fell into the trap of tunnel vision.
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"She said she did it. Case closed."
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I've worked many cases
where people made false confessions.
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People make false confessions
all the time.
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[grim instrumental music plays]
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[muffled police radio chatter]
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[officer] You wanna make sure
your investigation's done properly
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because a lot of times,
it's not as simple as it looks.
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But in this case, it was.
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[music intensifies]
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My name's Andrew Holden.
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I am currently the Chief Deputy
at Stoddard County Sheriff's Department.
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I was one of the investigators
in this homicide investigation.
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Everything we looked at,
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all the evidence,
all the interviews that we done,
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led right back to that initial 911 call.
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[phone speed dialing]
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[ringing]
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[operator] 911, what is your emergency?
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[Victoria] I'm at 365 North Church Street.
I just killed my husband.
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[operator] You just killed your husband?
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[Victoria] Yeah, I shot him six times,
and 12 times in the head.
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My name's Victoria Isaac.
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[operator] What... What's the address?
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She called and said
that she had shot her husband,
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and when we walked in and seen that,
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it was pretty obvious
that's what had happened.
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[music intensifies]
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[cryptic instrumental music plays]
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The spatter on her face was visible.
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I mean, you could walk up to her
and see the little specks of blood.
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It wasn't anything
you really had to search for.
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It was obvious.
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We collected what was called GSR,
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which is gunshot residue.
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And that's... that's normal to collect
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in any... any shooting you have.
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Victoria tested positive
for gunshot residue.
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[music intensifies]
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Another piece of evidence we found
was a piece of paper
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that was Victoria's last will
and testament,
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where she was basically giving
her possessions away to other people.
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So that appeared
that she did intend on killing herself.
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I really believe the ultimate plan,
in this case,
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was a murder-suicide,
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but something changed her mind, uh,
to keep her from killing herself.
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[muffled recording plays]
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I don't know why she killed him
for certain.
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That's one of the questions
that we'd like to answer if we can.
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[officer] Can you put your hands out
again for me, please? Thank you.
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[Andrew] I personally never got
that "why" answered.
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[officer] Can you turn them over for me?
Thank you.
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Because the case is really so simple.
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[blues-style music plays]
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[Betty] Some police say they did
a good job and might believe they did.
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Maybe they can go home at night
and sleep with that, but I can't.
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Because I took an oath a long time ago
to uphold justice.
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And my sister
did not get served justice in this.
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I was surprised when Victoria told me
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that Kenny was moving in
with her and Chris.
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[grim music plays]
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They have had
such a tumultuous relationship.
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Vicky always wanted to be his mom.
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He saw her more as a big sister.
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Then when she married Chris,
Kenny didn't see him as a stepfather.
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So you had these eschewed relationships
to begin with.
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Kenny always exhibited some behavior
that was not rational.
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A short time before the murder,
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Chris and Kenny
had got into a physical altercation,
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where Kenny ended up having a black eye.
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I knew Kenny's personality.
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Kenny didn't let anybody
get anything over on him.
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My mom had instilled that in his mind.
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How dare someone who's inferior,
such as Chris,
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punch him and leave a black eye on him?
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How dare he?
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Revenge was the motive for this murder.
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I believe what happened,
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Kenny sees Chris laying there
on the couch, defenseless,
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goes and finds the old 22mm gun,
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loads it and starts shooting Chris.
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[music crescendos]
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Vicky wakes up and hears this,
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and then the last four rounds,
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she's either struggling with Kenny
with that gun,
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or she talks Kenny out of it
and throws the gun.
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[music intensifies]
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I don't believe Victoria
shot any of those bullets.
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Victoria, she's a protector
of the people she loves.
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She called 911 and confessed,
and stuck to that story.
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[music intensifies]
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This is a way of paying penance
for being a bad mom.
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And I think that's what she's guilty of.
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Being a bad mom, maybe,
but not being a murderer.
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[music crescendos]
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[eerie music plays]
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I admit there's no physical evidence
to prove Kenny did this.
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But if someone's washed up,
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or if somebody has changed clothes
and washed up,
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there's not gonna be any.
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[music intensifies]
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00:28:06,120 --> 00:28:09,280
However, there is tons
of circumstantial evidence
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that proves my theory.
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00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,520
I've tried to talk to the police before,
and I've been shut down numerous times.
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I've been told to stay in St. Louis,
mind my own business.
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I've been threatened with arrest
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just for telling the prosecutor
that we're gonna appeal Victoria's case.
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But I'm a woman of faith,
and I'll just keep trying.
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[blues-style music plays]
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00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:00,480
[indistinct chatter]
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00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,960
[indistinct chatter continues]
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00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:30,760
[muffled conversation]
404
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:36,560
Rosanna...
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- Okay.
- Yorker.
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00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:38,600
Okay.
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00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,480
[indistinct chatter]
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00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,560
What spurred me to write the book
was the injustice,
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the lack of competent police work,
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00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,680
and just my need for the truth.
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00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,040
[indistinct chatter continues]
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00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,720
My ultimate goal is for Victoria
to stop perpetuating this lie
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00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,040
that she's told herself,
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stop protecting someone
who didn't protect her,
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00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:01,200
and just start moving towards
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00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,960
telling the truth
of what really happened that day.
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00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,120
[indistinct conversation]
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00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:10,520
It's all about my sister.
She's, uh, serving life plus 25 years,
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00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,920
um, for a murder
that she may or may not have committed.
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00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:16,040
Now, this...
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00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,720
She has her, uh, version of the story,
and this is my version.
422
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,880
So I'd like you to read it
and tell me what you think.
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00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,040
What do you think?
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[chuckles] You know what I think.
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00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:27,440
[chuckling]
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00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,320
[indistinct conversation]
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00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,880
Maybe this book would also get the police
to look at this case again.
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00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,040
If Vicky would tell
really what happened that day
429
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,520
and provide more evidence
to what really went on,
430
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:44,960
maybe it would be reopened.
431
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,800
Maybe she would have a chance
to actually have another... a real trial,
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not just a plea deal.
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00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,200
[cryptic music plays]
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00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,160
[music intensifies]
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00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,520
[indistinct chatter]
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00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,240
Some people might just think
that I am making this up
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00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,520
or don't want to believe
that my sister committed this crime,
438
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,680
but there's a 911 call
days prior to this murder
439
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,640
in which Kenny tells his intent
to kill Chris,
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00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:25,840
and Vicky, and then himself.
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00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,360
That 911 call, to me,
really is the biggest piece of evidence
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00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:32,960
that proves that he did this.
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00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,040
[music intensifies]
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00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,120
[phone speed dials]
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00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,560
[operator] 911. What is your emergency?
446
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:49,080
[Kenny] Yeah, ma'am. I need an ambulance.
I'm having suicidal, homicidal thoughts.
447
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,280
I'm at the end of my rope.
I'm... I'm outside pacing right now.
448
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,480
[operator] All right.
Is there anybody there with you?
449
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,400
[Kenny] Yeah, Mom and stepdad. I...
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00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,760
I was having thoughts
of killing both, and then myself.
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00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,560
[operator] Okay, I completely...
I can understand.
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00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,000
[Kenny] I can't take no more.
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00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:06,720
[static hum]
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00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:13,120
My name is Russ Oliver.
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00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:14,720
I was the prosecuting attorney
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00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,320
in the case of the homicide
of Chris Isaac,
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00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,440
perpetrated by his wife, Victoria Isaac.
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00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,440
On May 7, a week before the homicide, uh,
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00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,200
Kenneth Smith did call, um, 911
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and told them
that he was suicidal and homicidal.
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00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,400
I mean, that, that wasn't anything
that we ignored.
462
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,680
That was definitely something
that we'd go, "Oh."
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00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,240
"Well, let's pay attention to that."
All right?
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00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,760
And, and even with that... knowing that,
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00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:50,240
we still had, had no evidence that pointed
that Kenny did anything here.
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00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,040
[cryptic music plays]
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00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:58,760
The evidence is that Victoria
was covered in Chris's blood.
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00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,560
And blood spatter is not something
that you can just recreate, right?
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00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,600
Kenneth didn't have any blood spatter.
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00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,080
[music intensifies]
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00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,080
And he didn't have any gunshot residue
on his hands.
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00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,000
To say that Kenny did this,
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00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,320
I mean, there is no evidence
to support that whatsoever.
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00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,640
I will not be reading Betty's book.
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00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,360
I don't have a lot of spare time,
476
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:34,640
and I certainly won't be spending my time
reading what Betty has to say.
477
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,080
Is it for attention?
478
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:38,720
Is it, uh...
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00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,720
uh, to get sympathy for her sister?
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00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:43,800
I... I don't know,
481
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,320
but her sister's not going anywhere.
482
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:52,240
Her sister shot her husband
ten times in the head execution-style.
483
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,160
She's never leaving prison.
484
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:02,480
What this lady is saying
is just rote accusations,
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00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:04,240
um...
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00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:05,760
rote speculation
487
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,920
with absolutely no evidence to back it up.
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00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:15,400
And not even the person who's in prison
saying that's what's happened.
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00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,520
That should be a big indication
490
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,440
of how much credibility
this should be given.
491
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,040
I do feel for the Isaac family.
492
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:30,000
What Betty is saying is probably
pretty upsetting to them, I'm sure.
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00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,400
They don't deserve any of this.
494
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:36,760
Re-dealing with all of this.
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00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,400
[blues-style music plays]
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00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,120
[host] Welcome to Let's have a Chat.
497
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:53,480
So for this episode, I am joined by
perhaps one of the most interesting guests
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00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,720
that we have had
in our 16 months of shows, Betty Frizzell.
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00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,440
I want folks to read the book.
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00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,160
- I don't want to spoil major details.
- [Betty] Okay.
501
00:35:01,240 --> 00:35:04,600
But... Uh, but simply put,
you make a pretty strong case
502
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:08,760
that Kenny and not Vicky, uh,
killed Vicky's husband, Chris.
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00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:13,120
[Betty] I've worked for some small cities,
I've worked for some small counties, but...
504
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,440
I've never seen this kind of,
you know, unprofessionalism.
505
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:20,000
It was a comedy of errors. Just because
they had a confession that this lady,
506
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,040
you know,
supposedly killed her husband and...
507
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:23,560
What a damn lie.
508
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,680
That's the biggest crock of bullcrap
I've ever heard in my life.
509
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,440
[host] Uh, has there been any movement
since the book?
510
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,920
It's been out for, what,
about close to a month now?
511
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,480
[Betty] No. And as you know...
512
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,240
[Cathy] She needs to let it rest.
513
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:44,080
She needs to think
about what it's doing to our family.
514
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,560
[somber music plays]
515
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,160
It's opening up old wounds.
516
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:52,880
Vicky did it.
517
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,240
Without a doubt in my mind,
I think Vicky did it.
518
00:35:57,240 --> 00:36:00,920
She wrote out a statement
and confessed to it.
519
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,560
Betty didn't live in this area,
520
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:10,000
and, um, she wasn't around Vicky
that much either
521
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,680
for her to write
all the stuff in that book.
522
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,800
I don't know where she come up
with all of that stuff.
523
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,360
[Betty] ...but I couldn't save Vicky.
524
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,000
I think Betty is crazy,
525
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,520
and I think she's seeking attention.
526
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,920
I don't know how anybody
could try to pin a murder
527
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,480
on somebody else,
528
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,880
and it... it makes me sick to my stomach.
529
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,400
[music intensifies]
530
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,680
[grim instrumental music plays]
531
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:21,640
[indistinct police radio chatter]
532
00:37:21,720 --> 00:37:26,560
[radio chatter continues]
533
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:27,720
[beeping]
534
00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:32,960
[Andrew] I don't think Betty
necessarily is lying.
535
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,880
But I think sometimes
your judgment becomes clouded,
536
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:41,880
um, even with a law enforcement background
or whoever you are
537
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,920
when you're trying to look into a crime
that your sibling has committed.
538
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,600
[somber melodic music plays]
539
00:37:56,720 --> 00:38:01,240
I can absolutely understand
why Betty would make those claims.
540
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,720
Trying to cast doubt out there,
541
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,640
trying to get her sister out of prison.
542
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:13,600
And it's not uncommon
for family members to, um,
543
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,840
not believe
a law enforcement investigation.
544
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,640
And this is true in this case.
545
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:26,320
At the end of the day,
546
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,440
it doesn't matter what I think,
it doesn't matter what Betty thinks.
547
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,920
Until there's new evidence
that comes to light
548
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,480
or someone makes a claim or,
549
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,000
or a new statement,
550
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,720
uh, there's really nothing gonna change
in this case.
551
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:08,040
[grim instrumental music plays]
552
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,560
[Victoria] Last time I saw my son
was at the courthouse,
553
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,520
and I haven't seen him since
or talked to him.
554
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,440
And it hurts.
It hurts every day that I can't.
555
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,480
He's in my thoughts daily.
556
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,720
[music intensifies]
557
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:43,680
Would you mind...?
558
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:45,480
Yep. I'm fine.
559
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,880
[Victoria] My sister Betty's been there
for me when nobody else has.
560
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,560
She's so encouraging.
561
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,640
I feel better after I talk to my sister.
562
00:40:14,240 --> 00:40:15,960
I don't feel so alone.
563
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:22,840
I've read the book.
564
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:23,840
Um...
565
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:28,280
Yes, I'm... I'm, uh, I'm aware of what...
566
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:29,520
what's been said.
567
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,360
[music intensifies]
568
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:35,320
You know, whether it's true or false,
I can't... I can't tell you that,
569
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,960
because, uh, for the simple fact
of court matters,
570
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,960
and I could be going back
into court someday,
571
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:45,920
and that...
572
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,000
that could damage what...
573
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,480
what, you know, what, uh,
the judge would see.
574
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,360
And that's... You know,
I really can't go any further.
575
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,080
[interviewer] In the first interview,
you told me you did do it.
576
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:06,360
Do you want to tell me again, like,
who pulled the trigger on that morning?
577
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:12,160
I could not be accurate
on telling you what actually happened
578
00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:13,920
because of the medications.
579
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,040
You know, I was, uh...
580
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,000
That day, I was out of it.
581
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,040
But that...
582
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:23,880
That's all I got to say about that.
583
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:27,800
[music intensifies]
584
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,280
[interviewer] Can you tell me
if Kenny shot Chris?
585
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:33,600
Hm...
586
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,000
I don't know. I don't know.
I mean, did... I... I don't know.
587
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,480
Did you talk to him,
or did somebody talk to him about this?
588
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,240
He was there, I was there,
589
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,360
and, uh...
590
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,320
Everybody's got their own opinion.
591
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,600
And I was in a haze, and...
592
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:55,120
Uh...
593
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,240
Both me and my son,
both know how to...
594
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,560
It was my mother's, uh, gun,
595
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:06,040
and both of us know, uh, how to use it.
596
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,040
There's a lot of people,
not just my sister,
597
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:13,760
that think my son done it.
598
00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:15,240
Uh...
599
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,720
I can't dispute it,
but I can't tell you that he did it.
600
00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:25,320
[interviewer] Do you think it might be
upsetting for Kenny
601
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,880
if he is protesting his innocence?
602
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:32,800
I don't, I don't believe
he would be upset, uh,
603
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:34,720
because he...
604
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,960
He knows the detective side in his aunt.
605
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,960
And, uh, when you have a...
606
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,520
a relative that's in law enforcement,
607
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,400
you know that they're gonna look
at every angle. They're gonna dig.
608
00:42:47,720 --> 00:42:48,920
So he's... He...
609
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:54,680
I assume he's just thinking
that it's his aunt's detective in her.
610
00:42:55,240 --> 00:42:56,240
You know, making sure.
611
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,680
[music intensifies]
612
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,920
[eerie instrumental music plays]