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[woman] What I know now
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is that there were a lot of people
out there that loved Robby.
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I loved him, too,
because he was wonderful.
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It's not fair that Robby is not here.
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[sniffs]
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He was only 25...
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and he had his whole life ahead of him,
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but I made the choice.
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I took his life...
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and there's nothing I can do to undo it.
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[man 1] This is a true story.
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I'll start it off like that.
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[man 2] I just wanted to rebel.
I wanted to cause chaos.
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I looked over at him.
We'll see who kills who, huh?
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[woman] I made the choice.
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I took his life.
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[man 3] It's something
that I never intended to do,
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I wish I didn't do.
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[man 4] I knew I was gonna get out
of that car and murder those two men.
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[man 5] As he kneeled in front of me,
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all I remember is pulling the trigger.
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[man 6] I'd killed them both.
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I'd stabbed them to death.
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[distant birds singing]
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-Oh, goodness.
-[woman] Doesn't help.
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[laughs]
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It's difficult to get it
in the right position.
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Yeah, it's weird.
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My name is Lindsay Haugen.
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I grew up in Portland, Oregon.
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I enjoyed going to church.
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Um, I loved to study the Bible
and I loved to sing.
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In high school, I became very rebellious
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and I started to do things
that maybe I would have said no to before.
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I started smoking marijuana
and hanging out with a different crowd.
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Around 15,
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I started to run away from home.
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I spent the rest of the time
in Portland, on the streets,
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living with a very rough crowd,
and I went straight from
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trying marijuana a couple of times, to...
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taking methamphetamines,
um, with a needle.
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And from there, it became...
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heroin, and I realized
that I was addicted.
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And I was probably 16.
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One day,
I decided to take a pregnancy test,
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and it turned out
I'd been pregnant for three months
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and I had just turned 17.
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I changed... I changed right then.
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I stopped using drugs,
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and I wanted to be a parent.
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I wanted to do well,
and I wanted to take care of my son.
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[chuckles] I loved basic training.
I loved the uniform.
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I loved being able to do
more push-ups than the boys,
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and it was probably
some of the best times of my life.
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I met this man in the end of 2013.
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He was in the Army as well.
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Almost immediately,
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he was mean to me when he drank whiskey.
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He would lose his mind over things
that didn't even matter,
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or weren't real,
that he would make up in his head.
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He told me he didn't like my work
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because there were
too many attractive men there.
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And... I tried to tell him I'm used to it.
This is what I've always worked around,
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and it doesn't affect me.
I don't even notice them.
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But it didn't matter. It made him crazy.
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He hit me while I was driving
a couple of times,
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just trying to get me to say
what he wanted me to say.
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He just wanted to hear me tell him
that I was not being faithful.
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I remember nights of him
throwing me on the floor
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and spitting chewed-up food on me,
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pouring beer on my head...
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Um...
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raping me...
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in all sorts of ways
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and calling me dirty,
calling me names that I wouldn't repeat.
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And it got worse.
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I remember one time he...
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He spit on me...
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while I was in the bathroom.
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And so, I stood up...
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I knew he blocked the only way out.
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And so, I lifted my arm to swing at him,
and he grabbed my hand.
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And then he grabbed my other hand,
and he crushed them.
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I screamed...
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until he started mocking my screams.
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And so, I stopped screaming,
and I looked him in the eye,
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and I felt my hand break.
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[sighs]
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And...
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he put me in a choke-hold.
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I said, "If you're gonna do this,
please don't let me wake up,
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because I can't do this anymore."
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[sniffs]
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[sobbing]
And so, he held me in that choke-hold,
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and made me look at myself in the mirror
and said, "Watch yourself die."
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[sniffs]
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And it went dark.
[exhales]
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[birds singing]
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I found myself at home
with no one to talk to but my dog,
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drinking... drinking a lot.
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I would wake up and I would drink.
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I would drink until I went to sleep
and I would wake up and drink again.
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It felt crazy.
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So, when I met Robby, I had just
gotten out of a tough relationship,
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and he had just gotten out of rehab
in June of that year.
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But I didn't know that.
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What I knew was
that there was this beautiful smile
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sitting in a big pile of empty beer cans
on the floor,
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with no shirt on and dreadlocks.
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And...
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just very carefree.
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He leaned back on his hands,
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and he just went, "Hi," and...
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there was just
kind of this instant connection.
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Robby embraced
what he called a traveler lifestyle...
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but he really lived it a lot harder
than a lot of people did.
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He would hop freight trains
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and ride to wherever they were going,
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hitchhike, whatever it was,
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just traveling, never really staying
in one place for a long time.
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And I said,
"I'll give you a place to stay.
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You don't have to do anything.
Just be here when I get home."
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And he said, "I just can't stay
in one place any longer. I need to go."
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I said, "Okay, I'll come with you."
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There were times when we'd be on the road.
I'd be singing to him.
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He'd just look at me and say,
"I just love you."
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And I just adored him.
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He was my best friend.
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And there were times
when I would expect him
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to treat me poorly, or to accuse me
of something, or to think badly of me...
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and he just wouldn't.
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And... I treasured it.
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I loved it so much.
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But there was a time
when we were driving...
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Um, I think we were in Montana
at that point, and...
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I was looking at the scenery,
just enjoying it,
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thinking, "Man, this is awesome,
look around us," and...
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he looks at me,
and he holds my hand, and he says...
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"I wish I could just be happy with you,
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but I'm not.
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And it's not you."
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And it just crushed me.
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He kept telling me he wanted to see
what the next life was like.
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He was hurting.
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He'd always be talking or motioning
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as though he was shooting himself
in the head.
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Talking about how he wanted to die,
about how tired he was.
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And I just kept trying
to bring him back from that.
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"Robby, you're better than that.
Robby, you have so much to live for."
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I took it personally,
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like I wasn't enough for him
to be happy with.
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One day, he looked at me,
and again, he said, "Lindsay, I'm tired.
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I don't wanna do this anymore.
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I just wanna die."
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So, I said...
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"I know of a way to do it that won't hurt.
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You'll just go unconscious,
and then you just won't wake up."
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[sobbing] He looked at me,
his eyes sparkled,
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and he said, "You would do that for me?"
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And I said, "Robby, I love you.
I would do anything for you."
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And he said, "Okay."
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And that floored me,
and I broke down, and I cried so hard.
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And so, he said, "No, no, no, no."
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He hated to see me sad.
He hated to see me cry.
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And so he held me and he said,
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"No. I'm sorry. I didn't mean it.
Don't be sad. Please don't be sad."
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He just held me
and we slept that night.
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And the next morning,
I woke up, and I said,
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"I'm sorry I couldn't do that last night.
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I didn't expect you to be so ready."
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And he said...
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"I couldn't have expected you
to do that for me."
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And there, again, my heart broke.
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I expected him to say,
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"No, we were just drunk,
I didn't mean it," or...
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you know, "I'm glad you didn't, because,
you know, today is nice," or something.
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But, no, he said,
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"I couldn't have expected that from you."
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And so I just felt
like I'd let him down again.
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When we got to Billings,
we sat in the parking lot at Walmart.
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We had wine to drink, enjoyed the sun.
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And we got back in the truck,
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and he motioned again...
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that he was shooting himself in the head.
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And I...
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I... I just felt like I was
letting him down again, like I just...
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I thought we were having a nice day,
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but now here he is again,
just wanting to die.
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And I asked,
"Is that really what you want?"
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And he said, "Yes."
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And I said, "Are you sure?"
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And he said, "Yes."
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So I said, "Okay."
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And I sat on the center console,
and I said, "Come here."
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And he came to me.
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And I put...
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my arms around his neck,
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and then, he just bowed his head.
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[takes deep breath]
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[exhales]
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When I started,
I didn't feel like I could really do it.
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I squeezed,
and I could tell it wasn't hard enough.
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And so,
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I put my other arm behind his neck
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and squeezed until he was unconscious.
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And... [sniffs]
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...he shook.
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I thought maybe he was waking up.
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[sobbing] I thought
maybe he was gonna stop me.
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[sniffs]
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But then he stopped. He stopped shaking.
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[sniffs]
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And I knew I had to go.
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[sobs, sniffs]
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And so, I buckled him in... and...
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I went to drive out of the parking lot,
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and I realized
I had no idea where I was.
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And I...
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I looked...
[exhales, sniffs]
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I looked to Robby
because he always knew where to go.
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And...
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[gasps]
And I said, "Baby, where do I go?"
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[sobs]
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[sighs, sniffs]
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And he looked like he was sleeping.
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And I started to think about...
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how I could get him back.
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And I pulled into traffic
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and crossed lanes
and got into a parking lot.
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I unbuckled his seat belt,
and I put him on the center console...
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[bangs table]
...and I started doing CPR.
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And I breathed into him,
and I could hear...
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[gasping] ...like air was going in,
like something was happening,
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and I begged him, "Robby, please,
wake up, please, wake up!" [sniffs]
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And then, I heard a knock on the window.
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And somebody said, "Excuse me."
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There was a police officer.
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I just told him, "I killed him.
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Please bring him back."
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[sniffs]
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[birds singing]
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[dog barking]
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[woman] This is a good time.
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There's Robby.
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My name is Dori Greeson,
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and I was born
and raised in Tampa, Florida.
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I love this one.
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Robby was my son.
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I met my first husband, Bob Mast...
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when I was 24.
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We had our first son, Benjamin,
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and then, we had our second son,
Robby, in 1990.
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Robby was fun.
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He was outgoing.
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Of course, I loved him very much.
And he was so precious.
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Well, my name is Gene,
and I actually became...
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a part of this family in May of 1996.
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I got to be...
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I'd been Robby's stepfather about, uh...
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I guess, 12 years or so
before they left home.
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And I thought we had a good 12 years.
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[birds singing]
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[Dori] I didn't know when I'd see him
again. I had no idea where he was going.
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And Gene and I were standing on the road,
and I just collapsed...
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in Gene's arms, because I thought,
"Where's he going? What's he gonna do?"
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It was a year and, uh, 24 days
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before we heard from him.
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The reason we didn't hear
from him very often
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was because he knew that his lifestyle
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would be painful to us,
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especially if he called us
when he was drinking.
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We'd be able to tell.
And he knew that would make us sad.
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There was just so much we didn't know.
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[Gene] In May, he checked himself
into a alcohol rehab.
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Got to talk to his supervisors.
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Everybody said he was doing so well.
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And so, we thought we would hear
when he got out.
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We never heard from him again.
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Next thing we heard was, you know,
four months later, he was dead.
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[Dori] It was September the 17th.
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When the phone rang,
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she just told me that Robby was dead,
just like that.
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I was... Of course, I was shocked.
I couldn't believe it. What?
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I just yelled and yelled.
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I yelled for Robby, "Robby, Robby!
Come back! Robby, come back!"
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As if he could hear me, and he would
come back. Just, "Robby, come back."
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And when I learned he had been murdered,
I was... I was upset
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that somebody...
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would... would kill Robby.
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You know? Because he was a nice guy.
He was a good guy.
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He was just a hurting guy.
I thought maybe someone just killed him
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because they didn't think he was
worth anything. And I hated that.
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Then I read about it,
and I saw that it was this woman.
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And the paper said she was his girlfriend,
and I was like,
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"No, no, no. Who is this woman?
And why would she kill Robby?"
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[man] It's not every day that,
here in Billings, we have...
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a female accused
of such a horrendous crime.
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And not only that,
but one that would use their own hands
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to commit that crime.
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My name's Steve Hallam. I've been
with the Billings Police Department
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here in Montana for roughly 14 years.
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When I had
Lindsay step into the interview room,
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obviously, I kind of had an idea
of how Robby lost his life.
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And it was just to figure out
what happened and why it happened.
305
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And when did he start asking you
to end his life for him?
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-[Lindsay] Probably about a week ago.
-[Steve] How'd that conversation come up?
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We drank a lot of wine, and we were drunk,
and he... he was just like, you know...
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[sniffs]
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"I'm not happy here. I'm really not.
I just wanna die. I just wanna go away."
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And I was like, "Well, look...
[sniffs]
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...I am a big, strong girl,
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and I can take you out, and it won't hurt.
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I promise you.
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Um...
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And if that's what you really want,
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I love you,
and I want to give that to you."
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Very rarely, if ever,
have I ever heard up until this case
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somebody asking somebody else
to kill them.
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I've been doing this job for a long time.
If somebody wants to end their life,
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there are plenty of other ways to do it.
321
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,320
So, let's go back to, uh, this morning.
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What were you guys talking about
323
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when laying on the ground
in the parking lot
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-behind your Tahoe at Walmart?
-[laughing] Nothing at all.
325
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,160
We were talking about getting more booze.
326
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,080
-Yeah? Just shooting the shit?
-Yeah.
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No, just hanging out and making sure...
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00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,400
[Steve] According to Lindsay's testimony
up to this point in time,
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they're intoxicated
and talking about how good things are.
330
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And now, a couple minutes later,
we're inside the Tahoe.
331
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Now, all of a sudden, she's saying
that Robby's telling her he's not happy.
332
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He wants to die,
and he wants her to kill him.
333
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:37,440
It just, again, didn't make sense.
334
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Show me what you did.
335
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I put him in a rear naked choke
like this...
336
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-[sniffs]
-Okay.
337
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Until he, like,
he started seizing a little bit.
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And then, he passed out.
And I was like, "All right."
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And then, once he was out,
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I got in front of him
and grabbed his nose and mouth
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-and, like, kept his chin shut.
-Okay.
342
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,400
And, like, he foamed at the mouth
a little bit.
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Like, I kept thinking he was dead,
and I let him go,
344
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:03,440
and he'd fucking seize some more.
345
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I'm like, "Robby, you really
fucking want me to do this?
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Because I don't want to."
[sniffs]
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And he just kept putting my hand back.
348
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[sobbing]
And I'm like, "Okay, they're apart."
349
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[Steve]
That, right there, is an absolute lie.
350
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If you listen to the video real carefully,
she states that he kept grabbing her hand
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and putting the hand back on his mouth.
352
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:27,760
Well, if you're unconscious,
353
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you're not going to have that ability
to grab somebody
354
00:25:32,120 --> 00:25:34,080
and put their hand back on your mouth.
355
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:35,840
There's no way that could have happened.
356
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:41,760
Every act that she's committing on him now
is at her own hand. That's it. Period.
357
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,200
What were you planning on doing
with, uh, Robby's body?
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Um...
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00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,440
I was having a hard time with that.
I mean, like, you know,
360
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,760
I was having a hard time
with the whole fucking thing.
361
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:58,800
But I was just figuring I'd find
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a scarcely populated area
and fucking dump him. I mean...
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00:26:03,120 --> 00:26:05,600
[Steve]
So, after she took the life from Robby,
364
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,280
she was going to find a place
to bury him, drop him off.
365
00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:13,280
And it seems like a total inconvenience,
from her, based on her testimony.
366
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,800
And then,
she's gonna go back to Washington
367
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,160
and act like she never even knew Robby.
368
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,440
So, that goes to show you
just how much she loved Robby.
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00:26:23,120 --> 00:26:24,240
She didn't love Robby.
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00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,280
If she would have loved Robby,
she would have never done this act.
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00:26:29,120 --> 00:26:32,040
Even if he begged you to do that,
why did you do that?
372
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,760
We're at the point where the interview
has turned from an interview
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into an interrogation.
374
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,600
I was pretty stunned and shocked
what came out of her mouth next.
375
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,760
Lindsay, here's the deal. I've been doing
this shit for a while, okay?
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00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:46,760
I buy how it happened.
377
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:48,680
I buy you guys were traveling.
378
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,320
I don't buy that he was unhappy,
and he begged you to take his life.
379
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,920
No, that's absolutely what happened.
That's absolutely what happened.
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00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,680
But yes, um...
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-[she sighs]
-I don't, I don't...
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00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,360
I just wanted to kill somebody
with my bare hands, honestly.
383
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,800
Well, then that makes more sense to me.
384
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:09,880
That right there was stunning. Shocking.
385
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:14,680
I've never had anybody say that to me
in an interview room before.
386
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,680
So, you just wanted to know
what it felt like to kill somebody
387
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:19,960
with your bare hands?
388
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:22,040
-Kind of, but no.
-Okay.
389
00:27:22,120 --> 00:27:23,440
It was also that he asked.
390
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,280
-Hang on. One thing at a time, my dear.
-[she laughs]
391
00:27:26,360 --> 00:27:28,840
-You're making me out to be the bad guy.
-No, I'm not.
392
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:30,760
-I'm not a bad guy.
-Have I ever called you bad?
393
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,360
-No.
-Are you in handcuffs right now?
394
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,880
-No.
-Do I have, like, five guys next to me
395
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,680
'cause I'm scared shitless of you?
396
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:37,800
-You should be.
-Huh?
397
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,000
Just kidding.
[laughs]
398
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:40,400
-No.
-You know what I'm saying?
399
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,560
-I know.
-All right. So, you just came out
400
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,000
and you told me
you just kinda wanted to feel
401
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,840
what it would feel like to kill somebody
with your bare hands.
402
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,000
What is... What made you think like that?
403
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,840
Was it past experiences or what?
404
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,440
[Lindsay] Well, my last fiancé,
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he broke my hand like this.
406
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,720
And... and then he got...
You know what I mean?
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00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:03,720
Just like I did to Robby,
and fucking choked me out.
408
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,200
I remember waking up on the floor
and it was like I was under water,
409
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,800
but I wasn't, and I knew he was, like,
he was smothering me, and, uh...
410
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,720
[sighs]
I guess I just wanted to do that back,
411
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,240
but not to someone so sweet like Robby.
412
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,440
He just...
He just wanted it to happen, so I...
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00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,760
I saw my opportunity, I guess.
414
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:24,040
[Steve] Okay.
415
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"I saw the opportunity."
416
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:30,640
That's the whole case there.
417
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:33,800
Perfect opportunity. He can't fight back.
418
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,160
We're in an unknown location.
Nobody knows us.
419
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,720
I'm ready and willing. Let's get it done.
420
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,200
Let's... I want to take somebody's life.
421
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,800
From her own words. You can't contest
422
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this video and what Lindsay says
in her own words.
423
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:51,960
[camera shutter clicks]
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I think Lindsay tries to paint a picture
of herself to kind of minimize
425
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who she really truly is.
426
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:07,240
She is a deliberate homicidal killer.
427
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:27,040
[dog barks]
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00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:31,600
[barking continues]
429
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,480
[Gene] Let's see what we got here.
So, there is a seven o'clock call,
430
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,840
-which is nine o'clock.
-Does it say 7:00? Where?
431
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,440
-Yeah, here, at 7:00.
-Got it.
432
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,000
[Gene] Nine o'clock our time.
433
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,840
-Oh, 'cause we're gonna do two.
-We'll do two calls in a row.
434
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,520
Dori and I have been
ministering in prisons
435
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:54,040
for at least 14 years,
and most of them that we have met
436
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,640
are not the same person they were
before they went to prison.
437
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,800
So, we have compassion
438
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:06,160
for those people who have lost
their freedom due to their own stupidity
439
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:07,840
and own bad choices.
440
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,520
[Dori] Let's be quiet,
because she could come on.
441
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:11,840
-Hi.
-[Lindsay] Hi, guys.
442
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:13,920
Hi. Oh, you did good.
443
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,520
-So, did you have--
-Okay.
444
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:16,960
Did you leave early?
445
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,080
No, we all left at the same time,
but there was somebody on the phone,
446
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:22,600
-so, I had to take a walk.
-Good.
447
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,800
-So, you didn't miss anything?
-No.
448
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:29,000
[Gene] I'm going to have to write you up
though, Lindsay, you were 50 seconds late.
449
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:30,960
-Oh, man.
-You need to work on that.
450
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,960
-I was doing so good.
-Yeah, you're doing so good. I know.
451
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:34,880
[laughs]
452
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,520
Well, actually,
453
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,680
honestly, Friday, when Dori had
a hard time getting on the computer,
454
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:42,240
I was, like, 30 seconds late.
455
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:46,080
-[gasps] And I didn't know.
-You were? You're admitting that now, huh?
456
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:47,400
-[laughter]
-[Gene] Yeah.
457
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:48,760
[Dori] Tell us about it.
458
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,320
-How was your weekend?
-It was amazing.
459
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,600
As the newest girl in choir,
I'm really enjoying it.
460
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,520
[Dori] I was able to forgive Lindsay
461
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,680
-because I know I am forgiven by God.
-We asked the volunteer
462
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,680
if it was okay if we sang a song together.
463
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,440
[Dori] To hang on to things
464
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:06,760
can bring so much resentment inside of us
that it can destroy us.
465
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,280
[Gene]
How about you singing it for us now?
466
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:11,320
Can you do that?
467
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,280
-Oh, okay.
-It's been a while since I've heard it.
468
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,160
♪ How many times ♪
469
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,880
♪ Have I felt the shame ♪
470
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:29,480
♪ To see my wrongs again call my name ♪
471
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,560
♪ If you take the time to listen ♪
472
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:38,120
♪ You hear the same ♪
473
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,320
♪ Your sins are forgiven ♪
474
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,560
♪ And you are whole ♪
475
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,880
♪ Not guilty ♪
476
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:50,640
[Gene] Amen.
477
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,480
Thank you, Lindsay.
We love hearing you sing,
478
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,240
and let's say our goodbyes.
479
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:57,400
We love you. Bye.
480
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,040
[Dori] Call us anytime. Bye.
481
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:06,440
[Gene] I think it's important
to get the message out
482
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,920
about forgiveness,
both receiving it and giving it.
483
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,400
[Gene] In the beginning,
I think our forgiveness was real.
484
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,920
I think what we didn't have
and what you see now
485
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,040
is we didn't have a love for Lindsay.
486
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,360
I mean, how could you, you know?
As I've said in my first letter,
487
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,120
I usually begin my letters
with "Dear Lindsay,"
488
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,160
but I certainly do not consider you dear,
489
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:42,720
given what you've done.
490
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,960
But then, it wasn't long in the letters
going back and forth
491
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,280
that I could say, "Dear Lindsay."
492
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,160
I did not expect this to go this far.
I just...
493
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,080
And I felt, you know, okay,
494
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,880
this precious human being is sorry.
495
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,240
She's got to pay for this in prison.
496
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,480
But the letters just kept going until now.
497
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,880
[Gene] I wish you all could have
been there when Dori met Lindsay.
498
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,840
We were in a room, a visiting park.
They cleared it all out just for us.
499
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,200
So, Lindsay walks in.
We hear her steps coming down the hall.
500
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:27,280
The door opens.
501
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,760
She walks in. Walking towards Dori.
Dori walking to her.
502
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:33,200
And Lindsay says,
503
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,560
"I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry."
504
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:37,200
And Dori says,
505
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,960
"I forgive you.
Lindsay, I forgive you. I love you."
506
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:42,400
And they hugged.
507
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:44,160
[Lindsay sniffs]
508
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:48,200
-Oh, thank you so much.
-You're welcome.
509
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:51,880
It was just precious,
510
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:56,560
and Dori knew then
her forgiveness was real,
511
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:57,960
her love was real.
512
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:02,960
Of course, I got to say,
Lindsay has brought me a lot of joy
513
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,000
in how she's responded.
514
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,720
♪ You're my friend ♪
515
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:11,840
♪ And you are my brother even though... ♪
516
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,240
[Dori]
The person who took my son's life...
517
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,280
♪ You are a king... ♪
518
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,280
Her just saying, you know, "I'm so sorry,"
519
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,480
and receiving our forgiveness.
520
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,440
She's been an example
of how I need to be with my savior,
521
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:27,960
the one who's forgiven me.
522
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,160
♪ ...desire and I long ♪
523
00:34:31,240 --> 00:34:35,760
♪ To worship thee... ♪
524
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:02,120
This right here...
525
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:28,640
[Steve] So, you spent Friday afternoon
in Missoula with, uh, Robby, Robert Mast,
526
00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:31,280
and the girl he was with, Lindsay.
527
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,320
[woman] She was pretty intense.
They both definitely had been drinking.
528
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,760
Like, she was really, really about him.
529
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:40,960
It was like, "Oh, I'm in love with Robby.
530
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,560
I really care about him.
I really like him."
531
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,600
But they hadn't really known each other
that long.
532
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,000
[Steve] You know somebody for four weeks,
533
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,760
and now, he just out of the blue says,
"You know what?
534
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,920
I've known you for four weeks.
You seem like a great gal.
535
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,280
I don't want to live anymore.
Would you mind killing me?"
536
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,360
Doesn't... No way.
It did not happen like that.
537
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:32,600
[woman] He was talking about his ex a lot,
Kate, who's a mutual friend of ours,
538
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,200
and that seemed to really piss her off.
They were together for years,
539
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,640
and had something really strong,
even though they spent time apart.
540
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,720
That's kind of what he was saying,
that he missed Kate.
541
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,560
You know? It was apparent.
He kept talking about her.
542
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,480
And, uh, Lindsay seemed
pretty annoyed with that.
543
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,760
[Steve] Why do you think Robby was
with this Lindsay girl?
544
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:54,640
[woman] Um...
545
00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:57,360
I don't know. She had a vehicle.
It's a ride.
546
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,520
They were talking about
going up to the northeast.
547
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,600
I know that's the area Kate was in, too.
548
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,440
Maybe he kind of had ulterior motives,
and maybe she was figuring that out.
549
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,560
That jealousy deep inside her,
knowing that...
550
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,120
she loved Robby way more
than Robby loved her,
551
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:17,600
if he even did at all.
552
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,160
And he was using her
to get back to the love of his life, Kate.
553
00:37:21,240 --> 00:37:24,120
I think that was kind of fuel on a fire.
554
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:28,040
And it was a perfect storm
up there in the Walmart parking lot
555
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:29,480
in Billings, Montana.
556
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,440
[birds singing]
557
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,200
[Dori] When others would say to me,
558
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,880
"I would never be able to forgive someone
who killed my child,"
559
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,440
I felt they were saying it
like I was betraying him.
560
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,280
And I do understand, uh, people who have
561
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,520
a hard time forgiving or even those
who haven't forgiven Lindsay.
562
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,840
We are confident as we could be
about anything in life
563
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,120
that what Robby would want us to do
564
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:44,800
is to forgive Lindsay.
565
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,320
You know, I know there are some
who doubt whether Lindsay
566
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,120
is being totally honest,
567
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:55,080
and I don't have any problem
accepting Lindsay's story.
568
00:38:55,160 --> 00:39:01,000
The bottom line is, let's say that it was
premeditated with malice and so forth.
569
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,240
I still believe our place is
to forgive her.
570
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,520
[Dori]
She should have taken him to a hospital,
571
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,800
and he should have gotten
the help he needed.
572
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:19,120
I know it. Gene knows it. She knows it.
573
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:20,720
She's expressed that to us.
574
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,640
But I don't make any excuses
for what she did.
575
00:39:23,720 --> 00:39:24,760
I just know
576
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,280
that redemption is real.
577
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:30,640
[birds chirping]
578
00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:35,200
[Gene]
We believe that who Lindsay is becoming,
579
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,160
the life that Lindsay is living
580
00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:40,680
helps to give Robby's life purpose.
581
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:45,240
And in saying that, I guess you'd say
helps to give Robby's death purpose.
582
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:04,080
[Lindsay] People hear the story,
and they think that Dori is maybe damaging
583
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,960
her son's memory
or disrespecting his memory
584
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:08,720
by being friends with me.
585
00:40:09,240 --> 00:40:10,480
[gate clicks]
586
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,280
I understand
where they're coming from.
587
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,160
I know it's a hard thing to grasp.
588
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:26,320
But I can't help think
that Robby would have wanted it this way.
589
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:29,920
[distant door slams]
590
00:40:55,240 --> 00:41:00,960
I guess my relationship with Dori and Gene
could be seen as beneficial to my parole,
591
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:05,040
but... that is not something
that I'm concerned with.
592
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,040
Do I hope I get out someday?
Yeah, absolutely.
593
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:12,800
But I believe that God has me here
for a reason.
594
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:14,400
And if he...
595
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:19,120
wants me to stay here for all 60 years,
then I'll stay here.
596
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:21,760
[birds chirping]
597
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,600
I don't know that Robby felt
as strongly as I did
598
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,560
about me, as I felt about him.
599
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:39,400
I had barely met him.
600
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,680
We talked a lot, and we were very close,
601
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,360
but I didn't even know...
602
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,120
what his mom was like
or that he had a stepdad.
603
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,600
When I first started hanging out
with Robby,
604
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,520
he was talking about going
to the beet harvest
605
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,000
and getting back with Kate.
606
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:02,120
And we met some of Robby's friends
along the way in Missoula,
607
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,840
just a few days before his murder,
608
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,240
and they all spoke very fondly of Kate.
609
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,240
It was something that made me jealous.
610
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,520
It made me feel very hurt
and very insignificant.
611
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,000
And, um...
612
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:19,040
it was something that Robby
and I actually had a fight about.
613
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,560
And so, we did have that talk.
We did have that fight.
614
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:26,720
It doesn't surprise me at all that people
think he was still going to meet Kate,
615
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,400
because that was probably
the last anyone heard of him.
616
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,640
But he expressed
that he wanted to stay with me,
617
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:34,760
and I believed him.
618
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,560
I still believe that he meant it.
619
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,440
[birds chirping]
620
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:45,920
So, just listen to it?
621
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:49,560
[recording crackles]
622
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:51,160
[Steve] I buy how it happened.
623
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,040
I buy you guys were traveling.
624
00:42:53,720 --> 00:42:57,280
I don't buy that he was unhappy,
and he begged you to take his life.
625
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,640
[Lindsay]
No, that's absolutely what happened.
626
00:42:59,720 --> 00:43:02,560
That's absolutely what happened.
But yes, um...
627
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:09,160
[she sighs] I just wanted to kill somebody
with my bare hands, honestly.
628
00:43:09,240 --> 00:43:11,360
[Steve]
Well, that makes more sense to me.
629
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:14,360
[recording beeps]
630
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,120
I haven't heard that clip in a long time.
I'm shocked by it.
631
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:22,440
Um, I'm embarrassed.
632
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:24,760
I'm ashamed.
633
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:30,080
And I'm sorry that my attitude
was so flippant.
634
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:31,520
It's appalling.
635
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,200
I said I just wanted to know
what it felt like
636
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,760
to kill someone with my bare hands,
because...
637
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,160
I was getting called a liar again.
638
00:43:41,240 --> 00:43:43,440
And in the relationship before Robby,
639
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:48,040
I was being called a liar all the time
when I was being honest.
640
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:52,120
And I found that the easiest way
641
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:54,640
to stop being called a liar
642
00:43:55,480 --> 00:44:01,040
is to tell the person calling me a liar
what it was that they wanted to hear.
643
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:06,760
For anyone who thinks that
that was something that I had...
644
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,360
looked for or planned for
645
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:12,360
or wanted to do...
646
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,280
I don't know that there's
anything I can do to change your mind,
647
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:21,640
but it's not true.
648
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,240
I've never wanted to kill anybody.
649
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,640
Once you've killed somebody,
you can't just feel normal.
650
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:41,880
I'm afraid to give somebody a hug.
651
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,920
You know, people look at my hands
like... Are they dirty?
652
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:49,080
Is there something wrong with them?
I kind of feel like they are sometimes.
653
00:44:55,920 --> 00:45:01,120
The only way, I think,
that I can really show how sorry I am
654
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,800
is to live a different life
655
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,080
and be the best person I can be
656
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,960
for Robby and for all the people
that I hurt by taking him.
657
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,800
If I can make a difference,
if I can do something good with my life,
658
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,720
it's like Robby's living on through me,
like Robby's life still has meaning.
659
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:20,880
That might...
660
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,080
never be enough, but it's all I can give.
661
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,960
And that's what I intend to do,
and that's what I do every day.