1 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:15,600 [man] I accept full responsibility for the way my life turned out and stuff. 2 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:22,160 People always saying-- talking about how unfair the world is and stuff, 3 00:00:22,240 --> 00:00:24,960 ain't nobody ever said that life was meant to be fair. 4 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:30,640 People just got to accept that, man. You know? 5 00:00:32,759 --> 00:00:36,599 There ain't no sense in just being bitter about it, you know? 6 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:39,000 That's life. 7 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:02,640 I'm James Robertson, I'm 54. 8 00:01:04,519 --> 00:01:07,279 I've been in prison for 37 years. 9 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:16,040 You know, I finished my original time way back in the, like, late '80s. 10 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,720 I've got a bunch of other time, uh... 11 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:22,240 I don't even really know how much time. [laughs] 12 00:01:22,320 --> 00:01:24,520 About a hundred years, I guess. 13 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:29,440 I got to the point where I said, "Fuck this shit. I'm going on death row." 14 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:40,920 [man 1] And I walked up, I fired one shot. 15 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,360 And as I got closer, I fired one more shot. 16 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:48,200 [man 2] She was shot through the cheek and it stopped in her jaw. 17 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:53,720 [man 3] I drove him around behind a desk and I stabbed him approximately 25 times. 18 00:01:58,600 --> 00:01:59,840 [man 4] I couldn't believe it. 19 00:01:59,920 --> 00:02:03,160 I just thought I can't believe I just killed somebody. 20 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:10,200 [man 5] I don't feel bad about it. [laughs] 21 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:17,920 [man 6] I started stabbing him, stabbing the guy on the couch. 22 00:03:04,920 --> 00:03:06,720 [James] I had a pretty good childhood. 23 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:13,280 I, uh, spent my first, like, 12 years on the east side of Orlando. 24 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,080 It had kind of a... 25 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:17,280 It's kind of a... [stammers] 26 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,280 back then, it had kind of a semi-rural feel to it 27 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:23,160 even though it was, like, right outside of town. 28 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:24,800 [faint barking] 29 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:29,240 [James] As far as I'm concerned, I think we were, like, 30 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:32,360 what you would call lower-middle-class. 31 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:39,680 Uh, I've lived in neighborhoods that were all white, 32 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:42,680 I've lived in neighborhoods that were mixed. 33 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,000 I went to schools that were all white, 34 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,280 I went to schools that were 90-percent black. 35 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:52,960 I've-- I've been, um, just all over, really, you know? 36 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,600 I didn't go to school a lot of times. When I was in junior high, 37 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:03,280 I used to skip school all the time. 38 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:07,280 I used to love doing that. 39 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:10,240 And I loved hanging out on the streets, I loved using drugs, 40 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,000 partying with friends. 41 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:15,440 Smoked a lot of pot. 42 00:04:16,519 --> 00:04:21,319 I did other things, you know. Acid, uh, PCP, uh... 43 00:04:21,519 --> 00:04:26,199 using Quaaludes and valiums and cocaine. Stuff like that. 44 00:04:28,840 --> 00:04:32,440 I started getting locked up when I was 12, I think. 45 00:04:34,280 --> 00:04:38,440 I had been stealing mostly. I mean, kids' stuff like bicycles 46 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:40,000 and stuff like that, you know. 47 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,880 I was 16. I was hanging out on the streets 48 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:51,720 and I would like, uh, see some place that looked like I could break into it 49 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:55,120 or something, you know. Get some money for the dope. There was some little business across the street from my house. 50 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,200 [faint siren wailing] 51 00:05:01,280 --> 00:05:04,760 I had already broke into there and stole the stereo. You know, I took it to the dope man, you know, got some dope. 52 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,680 And I went back in there to steal, uh, some speakers. 53 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:13,760 [faint alarm blaring] 54 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,360 [James] And some security guards caught me. 55 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:25,160 And, uh, I got into a little wrestling match with them, 56 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,840 and I thought I had a knife in my sock. 57 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:31,360 I tried to get the knife out and stab 'em so I could run off 58 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,120 but I couldn't get to it. They were both on top of me. 59 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:43,360 [James mutters] 60 00:05:44,280 --> 00:05:45,400 [chuckles] 61 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:49,600 That's-- that's what I came to prison for. [laughs] 62 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,200 [James] Originally, I had a 10-year sentence. 63 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,040 Then I, uh-- something happened. 64 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,440 Uh, I was at Cross City Correctional Institution, 65 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:19,280 some guy got killed. 66 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:22,440 I didn't kill him, but some other guys killed him, 67 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,560 and I got 15 years for that. 68 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,880 Tried to escape one time. I went to outside court, 69 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,560 and I kicked a guard. I tried to take his gun from him. 70 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,080 And then that's, you know, kinda at that point, 71 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:49,880 I'd kinda-- kinda had a bad attitude. 72 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:56,360 And I caught a lot of time. I used to-- stabbing dudes and stuff. 73 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,600 I was in a position where I was getting into fights all the time 74 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,400 and I had a riot and all this stuff, you know. 75 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,880 All this bullshit, you know, so they made a big deal out of that, like, 76 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:27,200 "Oh, man, that's terrible. You was in a riot." 77 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,040 And all this kind of stuff. What the fuck you expect? 78 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:31,440 You know? 79 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:37,120 That's the stuff you expect, 80 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,280 you should expect that to happen in prison, man. It's prison. 81 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:43,480 You know, you got a lot of bad guys in here and of course, 82 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,600 inmates are gonna get into stuff like that. You know what I mean? 83 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:51,200 But they'll say that I'm the troublemaker. I'm the guy that's the bad guy. 84 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:55,920 [indistinct chattering] 85 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:07,280 [James] I got put on some kind of, like, long-term maximum-security status 86 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,560 where you're locked in a cell all the time. 87 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,160 They took everything from me. 88 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,840 My TV, my property. 89 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,560 Man, that shit's-- man, that shit's torture, man. 90 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:35,840 You're locked in a cell all day. 91 00:08:35,919 --> 00:08:39,399 I mean, you might get to come out a couple times a week for, like, 92 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:43,560 two hours or something like that. They'll put you in a little dog cage. 93 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,960 [dripping] 94 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,080 [James] You just lose all motivation, man. 95 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:59,040 I mean, you-- you ain't getting no sun, really. 96 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:04,680 [rattling] 97 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,400 [James] I got to live in humiliation every damn day. 98 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:12,760 The guards humiliate you all the damn time, they treat you like shit, you know. 99 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,480 Like they think you're a bug or something, you know. 100 00:09:17,560 --> 00:09:22,200 Uh, it's crazy because the motherfuckers that they like are the bugs. 101 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:36,480 Every time you go to the CM board, first thing they tell you, 102 00:09:36,560 --> 00:09:41,320 something that you did back in the 1980s or the '90s or something. 103 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:43,960 "Oh, you got a bad history." 104 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:47,400 Well, I say, "What's that got to do?" They say, "That's your record. 105 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,440 That's why it's called a record." 106 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,280 They would use that as an excuse to keep me on CM. 107 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,280 Now, they're not treating all those inmates like that. 108 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:05,920 Some of those inmates, they'll get DRs and they'll let them out on the compound. 109 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:07,120 You know what I mean? 110 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,320 I mean, you just sit in that cell all damn day, man. 111 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,320 That's inhumane. I mean, that's crazy. 112 00:10:18,680 --> 00:10:23,480 They just put somebody in a cell, man, and take all of his privileges from him 113 00:10:23,680 --> 00:10:26,000 for years and years and years, 114 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:29,800 and I'm seeing all these other guys get off of CM. 115 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:36,720 I knew that they was gonna use any excuse that they could to keep me on CM. 116 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:39,040 Any excuse. 117 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:46,200 Finally, I-I got mad and I said, "I'm gonna go ahead and kill somebody." 118 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:51,040 It was premeditated. I wanted to get on death row. 119 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:18,400 So I said, "Well, I'll just go ahead and kill my cellmate." 120 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:21,960 I pretty felt pretty confident I could... I could overpower him. 121 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:24,880 He was a child molester. 122 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:29,240 And I didn't really want to have a child molester in my cell. 123 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:35,240 Believe me, it was premeditated. All the way. 124 00:11:56,680 --> 00:11:59,040 I waited until the guard's made his round. 125 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:03,360 I knew I had about a 25-minute window of opportunity. 126 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:22,120 I got behind him, I nudged him, you know, I woke him up. 127 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:25,880 I had some socks tied up. 128 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,920 I said, "You gonna let me tie you up or am I gonna kill you?" 129 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:32,440 And he just said-- he said, "Neither." 130 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:36,880 So I started struggling around with him. 131 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:48,200 Eventually, I overpowered him and strangled him. 132 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:50,000 It was like, it took about... 133 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:56,640 I don't know. About six minutes, five or six minutes. Four minutes, maybe. 134 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:00,520 I don't feel bad about it. 135 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:04,440 [laughs] 136 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:07,160 You think that's something, don't you? 137 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:19,480 I just got to the point where I said, "Fuck this shit. I'm going on death row." 138 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:22,120 Man, fuck that CM shit. 139 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:26,280 I'm tired of living in humiliation every day. Fuck that. 140 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:31,040 [chuckles] You looking at me like, you think, "Man, that guy crazy, man." 141 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,040 [laughs] 142 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:12,680 [woman] I met James several years ago 143 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,960 when I was making rounds in the confinement units. 144 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:25,920 I noticed him because he had a very angry face. 145 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:30,240 You could tell immediately that this guy was like 146 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,080 a pressure cooker waiting to blow. 147 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,640 He did not talk to his peers, 148 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:41,320 he didn't talk to the staff, he didn't talk to anyone. 149 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:51,040 [Anne] But his quietness was something that was daunting to me. 150 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:55,920 And his look in his eyes. 151 00:14:56,000 --> 00:15:00,560 He did not look at you, he looked through you. 152 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:09,600 My name is Anne Otwell, 153 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:13,520 and I've been at Charlotte Correctional since '92. 154 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,160 I'm a staff nurse there, 155 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:21,720 and at the time, uh, I was working in the medical department, 156 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:25,080 uh, taking care of close management and open population. 157 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:34,560 [Anne] In close management, we deal with a lot of frustration, 158 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:39,080 a lot of anger, a lot of attempted suicides 159 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:43,240 because of the fact that they are isolated. 160 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:47,640 They don't have the amount of phone calls, 161 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:51,120 they don't have the amount of visits that general population has, 162 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:53,440 they don't have the freedom. 163 00:15:56,240 --> 00:16:00,720 After a while, some inmates, it just gets to them. 164 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:02,960 They sleep most of the day. 165 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,960 But if you go by close management at night, they're up all night 166 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:10,840 and they're fighting with-- amongst one another. 167 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:14,760 One room and the other, you can hear them all night long. 168 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:22,320 So, close management brings a whole different flavor to the pot. 169 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:31,680 From the moment that James entered prison, 170 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:37,000 he did not like the rules and regulations of the penal system. 171 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:41,120 He didn't like the rules and regulations of close management. 172 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:48,520 He did, however, want death row. 173 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:54,080 And their rules and regulations are very, very, very simple, 174 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:55,960 and he could handle that. 175 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:11,000 [Anne] Death row and-- 176 00:17:11,079 --> 00:17:14,359 there's a big difference between death row and close management. 177 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:21,240 It would be like going from the slums to Beverly Hills. 178 00:17:22,079 --> 00:17:26,719 They have their own TV, they have their own bedspread if they want to, 179 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:30,320 the food is quite different. They have their own nurse. 180 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:32,040 [inmates clamoring] 181 00:17:32,120 --> 00:17:36,760 [Anne] They have their own exercise area, and, uh, it's quiet. 182 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,360 Death row, you can hear a pin drop. 183 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:44,400 And surprisingly enough, 184 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,400 they have this camaraderie with one another, 185 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:49,760 that they're all there together. 186 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:54,640 And so, death row for them is a safe haven. 187 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:57,280 [people cheering] 188 00:17:57,360 --> 00:18:00,920 [Anne] But the other thing is, in their mind's eye, 189 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,840 they know they're not gonna be executed tomorrow. 190 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:09,360 They know that they're gonna be there for maybe 25 years. So they know that they're not gonna be going any place but the row. 191 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:17,400 [indistinct chattering] 192 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:19,360 They have come home. 193 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:22,720 And that's how the majority of them look at it. 194 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,600 They love death row. 195 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:28,360 [bangs] 196 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,720 Some people say that James killed Frank Hart 197 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,360 just to get better living conditions. 198 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:44,880 My feeling is an inmate that is like James is very narcissistic, 199 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:51,480 and I think he wanted to be on death row, um, to show everybody that he made it. 200 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:55,480 It's just like going to medical school when you graduate. 201 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:59,520 To-- In his mind, he made death row. 202 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:06,800 And whether it be because he could have TV or better food, 203 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:10,160 he made it because of his narcissistic thinking 204 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:14,120 that he wanted to make something of his life 205 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,760 that everybody would remember. 206 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:49,840 Uh, my name's Robert Lynch. 207 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:54,560 I did four years in a one-man cell. Close Management 1, 208 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,320 so I'm pretty familiar with close management. 209 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:09,440 I've been in several prisons with, uh, James Robertson. "Chicken Head." Um... 210 00:20:10,360 --> 00:20:14,320 Uh, I'm pretty sure that we started off together in the late '80s 211 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:16,960 at Sumter Correctional. 212 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:19,800 I know him pretty well. I know him pretty good. 213 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:24,360 I-- I can't imagine why he would say I'm a friend. 214 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:26,560 I think he's a piece of shit. 215 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,720 I don't hang out with him. He's not my drinking buddy. 216 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:32,320 He's not-- I mean, he's not-- 217 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,200 I don't know why. [stammers] I don't, I-- 218 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,840 I don't know why he would say that he's my-- 219 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:38,880 I'm his friend or he's my friend. I mean, I've messed up, I've come to prison, 220 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:45,080 but if I give you my word, it's good. 221 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,960 I'm not gonna pick on somebody that's defenseless. 222 00:20:48,120 --> 00:20:50,280 That's not his outlook. 223 00:20:50,360 --> 00:20:52,000 His outlook is... 224 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:54,920 if he thinks that he can do something to you and get by with it, he'll do it. 225 00:20:57,120 --> 00:21:00,800 If he thinks he can't get away with it, he won't. 226 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,840 You know, and for me that's-- that's a coward. 227 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,440 [Robert] Chicken Head's problem is his knife, his violence. 228 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,200 If he has a problem, he goes and gets his knife, 229 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,520 when he could probably just beat somebody up. 230 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,400 You don't wanna just kill somebody to be killing them. 231 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:26,680 That's his first thought, 232 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:31,680 is he'll go and get his knife about small little minute things. 233 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,200 I think James got deeper problems. I don't think prison was his problem. 234 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:44,120 I think his-- he had his problems when he got here. And it just rolled over. 235 00:21:47,360 --> 00:21:49,680 I mean, if you wanna get off CM, and you want off CM, 236 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:51,640 all you have to do is do what you're supposed to. 237 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:53,480 That's all they want you to do. 238 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:57,320 They're not asking-- they don't ask you to do anything grand. 239 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,800 They don't want you to do anything special. All that-- 240 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:03,600 When you go on CM, all you have to do is what you're supposed to do, 241 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:05,360 for a certain period of time. 242 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,800 And they'll say, "Get back out there in population." 243 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,840 So, him saying that, oh, me talking about what I've done in '80s and '90s 244 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,840 is, is bringing up this or causing me to do this, 245 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:18,400 that's a cop-out, which is... 246 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:20,760 doesn't surprise me with him. 247 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,560 You can come here and get better, and you can come here and get worse. 248 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:35,560 It's up to you, really. What you choose. 249 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,240 You can choose to come here and stay forever if you want. 250 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,320 All you got to do is pick up a knife and start poking holes in people. 251 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,320 Kill one of them and you're never getting out. 252 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:50,960 Chicken Head is never going to change. 253 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,160 He's always gonna be a threat. 254 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:56,640 He will always be a threat to security. 255 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,040 He'll always be a threat to the people around him, 256 00:22:59,120 --> 00:23:01,120 he'll always be a threat to himself. 257 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,240 If he's done with living and he's, and he's tired of living, 258 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,560 get up on the top bunk in that two-man cell. 259 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,160 Dive off! Dive off, swan-dive. 260 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,800 If you're really tired, dive off. [chuckles] You know what I mean? 261 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,400 Get your razor-blade, one time. It's over. 262 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,880 That's what people do when they're tired of living. He's still alive. 263 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:24,160 He ain't tired of living. 264 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,960 When James first came to me, told me that's what he wanted, 265 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,880 he wanted the death penalty, I had asked myself, "Can this be done?" 266 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:03,960 Can someone actually plead to the death penalty? 267 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,680 I never had anything like that happen before. 268 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:32,440 My name is Mark De Sisto. 269 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,800 I'm the attorney for James Robertson who is present to my left. 270 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:40,360 He's the defendant in this matter. This is case number 09812F. 271 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,400 [Mark] "I have instructed and continue to instruct my attorney, 272 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:44,760 Mark C. De Sisto, Esq., 273 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,920 to seek the charge to be amended to First Degree Murder by indictment 274 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,520 and further to seek the penalty of death." 275 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,120 [Mark] I was actually Mr. Robertson's fifth attorney. 276 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,200 He had four previous attorneys. 277 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:11,520 His last attorney removed himself because they, uh, developed some animosity 278 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,520 over the issue of pleading to a death penalty. 279 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,280 All his attorneys I spoke to said he was a level-headed guy, 280 00:25:19,360 --> 00:25:20,680 they could get along with him. 281 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:24,560 He wasn't disruptive or violent or anything in their dealings with him. 282 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,480 They just said that he was set on getting the death penalty 283 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,080 and they-- he just would not listen to them 284 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,560 and that wasn't on the table at the time. 285 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:40,680 The first meeting I had with Mr. Robertson lasted approximately 15, 20 seconds. 286 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,520 He was in lockup at the courthouse, 287 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,120 And I introduced myself, told him I'd be on his case, asked him if it was true he was seeking the death penalty in his case. 288 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,200 He said, "Yes." And I told him I'd be in touch with him soon. It was a short meeting. I didn't know how to take him, 289 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,640 I didn't know what to expect when I first met him. 290 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:05,240 But he seemed happy, I guess is the word, that I was getting on the case. 291 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:13,280 I was aware that Mr. Robertson spent quite a bit of time in, uh, close management. 292 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,880 The closest other clients I've ever had to anybody 293 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,960 with a, uh, large amount of time was eight to nine months. 294 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,200 I've never heard of anybody besides Mr. Robertson 295 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:28,360 that I've represented that's spent nearly their entire life in close management. 296 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,640 I would imagine it would destroy the mind. 297 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,800 I mean, uh, it's got to affect your psyche in some way. 298 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,760 I-- I don't see it ever helping an individual. 299 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:02,800 [barking] 300 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,520 Of course a lot of people questioned me right at the beginning, 301 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:13,960 wondering why my client would want to, uh, have the death penalty imposed 302 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,320 and whether or not I thought he was sane or not. 303 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,520 Prior to me being assigned, uh, the main defense 304 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,920 that was explored from the fourth attorney that was assigned on the case 305 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,280 was the defense of insanity. 306 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,440 And in legal jargon, uh, insanity is where you have to determine 307 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:36,160 whether or not the defendant understands the difference between right and wrong 308 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:37,320 when he commits the crime. 309 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,880 [Mark] The State of Florida determines the sanity of the defendant 310 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,520 by having two doctors look at the individual. 311 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:50,920 Both the psychologist and psychiatrist did agree that Mr. Robertson was sane 312 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:52,440 at the time he committed this crime, 313 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,680 and the judge adopted that finding of the doctors. 314 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,160 [indistinct chattering] 315 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:48,640 [kitchenware clangs] 316 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,480 [Mike] Everybody has a story to tell. 317 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,360 Everybody does things right, everybody does things wrong. 318 00:28:59,960 --> 00:29:04,480 The pre-sentence investigation is digging into James Robertson 319 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,160 as a person and not as an inmate. 320 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,600 This is going to be read by everyone involved in this case 321 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,840 and I am outlining what they don't know about this inmate 322 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,640 and that is his socio-economic background. 323 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,400 Who are his parents? Where did he go to school? 324 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,120 How much education did he have? Um... 325 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:30,200 Drug and alcohol abuse, uh, psychological counseling. 326 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:35,400 That's what the PSI is trying to do through that person's cooperation. 327 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:36,760 "Give me your story." 328 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,120 [dishes clink] 329 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,320 [Mike] So I actually interviewed James Robertson, 330 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,800 was very truthful with him, let him know who I was, 331 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,720 why I was at the jail to interview him. 332 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:55,400 And I, I felt that he was cooperative. He, he didn't act nasty, 333 00:29:55,480 --> 00:30:00,720 um, he didn't give me, um, any reason to feel uncomfortable. 334 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,920 And an hour, an hour and a half, we talked. 335 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,880 Violence is a part of James Robertson 336 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:18,000 because violence was a part of his upbringing. 337 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,440 Problem with his mother and father. 338 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:27,240 He explained that he got hit with switches, 339 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,080 parents' divorce, remarried, divorced, alcohol, yes. 340 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,840 It was there, it was brewing, it was bubbling. 341 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,520 And of course that leads you 342 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:45,440 to this prior record. 343 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,960 And it's a long prior record. 344 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:55,520 There's a pattern of violence with James Robertson that starts slowly. 345 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,440 He's 12 years old, first offense is nothing more than shoplifting. 346 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,160 Kid stuff, all right? 347 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,280 But then it increases to burglary. 348 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:12,240 And then, even though he's sent to a boys' school, he's ungovernable. 349 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:18,360 All right? He's just an impossible person to deal with. Truancy, fighting. 350 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,000 The pattern, it's, it's growing. 351 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:27,800 And it followed him right up until the day he stood up in front of that judge 352 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:32,440 in Orange County, Florida, and got ten years consecutive. 353 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:37,120 And the interesting thing about this was that when he was charged, 354 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:41,040 he wasn't even 17 for another 15 days. 355 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,000 And so I wonder, could the court have gone a different way, 356 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,480 because in juvenile court it's about rehabilitation. 357 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:53,360 In adult court, it's not always. It's a lot about punishment. 358 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,240 And this was his punishment. 359 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,440 [indistinct chattering] 360 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,840 But he compounded it, he didn't conform, 361 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,560 he went about another crime spree in prison. 362 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,480 I mean, 79 disciplinary reports speaks for itself. 363 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,880 But then you have aggravated battery with a deadly weapon, one count. 364 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,000 He's got introducing a weapon into the facility. 365 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:29,640 Unarmed assault, attempted assault, participating in riots. 366 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:34,320 I mean, it was a full circle of just about everything you can do wrong. 367 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,440 [computer beeping] 368 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:40,880 [Mike] Here's a man in the worst possible confinement, close management. 369 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:47,000 A horrible existence, inside the wall, and it doesn't slow him down. 370 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:52,800 It feeds the fire, it gives him a new drive. 371 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:59,000 I truly believe that some inmates are not cured with close management. 372 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:04,800 They become hardened, worse, aggressive, dangerous. 373 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,640 And I believe James Robertson was that kind of a person, 374 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,600 because of all the time he spent in close management, he became worse. 375 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,160 He became more aggressive, calculating, cruel. 376 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:22,440 And I truly believe that inmate Hart, his cellmate in 2008, 377 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,040 was a means to his end. 378 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:40,480 The recommendation portion of the pre-sentence investigation, 379 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,440 the last stop. 380 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:47,640 After gathering everything, after analyzing everything, 381 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,360 if found guilty, 382 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,000 the recommendation would be for the death penalty. 383 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,520 Did I make this recommendation to reward James Robertson? 384 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:03,840 No, I didn't. 385 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,560 I'm not rewarding this person. 386 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,160 It was a heinous cruel act. 387 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,759 The aggravating circumstances well outweighed 388 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,000 the mitigating circumstances and it called for the death penalty. 389 00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:16,999 [spoon clinks] 390 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,520 [Mark] I asked Mr. Robertson right at the beginning, 391 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,360 "Why would you want to have the death penalty? 392 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,080 What's your reasoning behind that?" 393 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,080 He said, "I'm getting older. 394 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,600 I look at the guy in the cell across from me, he's going blind, he's 65, 395 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,120 he gets pushed around more, he gets messed with more 396 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,720 by other people, guards, be they inmates, whoever. 397 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,280 And I don't want that kind of life. I don't want that for me as I get older. 398 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,000 I used to be able to do the violence 399 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,920 but now I'll be the one that's getting the violence done to me. 400 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,840 And I just don't wanna put up with that." 401 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:33,840 That's why he wants the death penalty. 402 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,520 He just doesn't wanna get old and be preyed upon. 403 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:46,240 Does Robertson deserve sympathy? Yeah, I think he probably does. 404 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,080 I mean, obviously, he was the individual 405 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,760 that committed the crime that put him in prison, 406 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,120 but again, prior to going to prison, he was a young man, 407 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,560 he was still a kid in my eyes, at 17 years old. 408 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,040 He had no parenting. 409 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,760 My understanding, his parents were alcoholic and substance abusers. 410 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:04,720 He had no guidance. 411 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,080 When you start adding all those things up 412 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:10,520 and looking at everything he's been through, 413 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,480 especially being in close management, yeah, 414 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,440 I probably think he deserves some sympathy. 415 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:28,440 I don't see him as this evil person that, uh, must be killed, 416 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,320 that's his choice, I know. 417 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,720 But I don't see him as this person that has no redeeming value whatsoever. 418 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,080 I will go to his execution. 419 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,760 That's a 100 percent, uh, thing I've wanted to do from the very beginning. 420 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:57,120 I'm thinking I'll probably be the only friendly face he'll recognize there. 421 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:00,840 I don't want him to be put to death, 422 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,880 not knowing that someone was there on his side up until the end. 423 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,520 So I plan on being in that same room and, uh, I keep close tabs on it, 424 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,520 and whenever it's ordered, I'll be there. 425 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,440 My name's Darrell Moshor, uh, I live in Greenville, Tennessee, 426 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,400 I'm married and I've got three children. Uh, James Robertson is my cousin. 427 00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,320 Uh, his mother and my mother are sisters. 428 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:39,440 I moved to Tennessee from Florida August of 2006. 429 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,280 Wasn't until I moved here that I've seen my first snowfall. [wind whistling] 430 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,640 [Darrell] James' family, his mother and father, for whatever reason, 431 00:38:53,720 --> 00:38:55,640 you know, they just forgot about him. 432 00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,920 His two brothers haven't contacted him in over 25 years. 433 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:06,120 You know, they just didn't put any effort into helping him, 434 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,040 you know, um, financially, 435 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:12,240 or, you know, just in letters alone, makes a big difference being in there. 436 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,800 You know, there was no support whatsoever. 437 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,000 I'm the only one in contact with him now. 438 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,240 I got in touch with James probably... 439 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:47,640 I-- it was either 2013, 2014. 440 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,880 I'd like to, you know, give credit to God for that 441 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,240 because he put it on my heart to, uh, contact him. 442 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,640 I knew he was in prison, I didn't know he was on death row. 443 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,720 Yeah, I just wrote him a letter, it was probably half a page long 444 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,480 and, uh, soon after, I mean, he wrote me back. 445 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,560 So we've been in contact, probably, for about four years now. 446 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,960 [sizzling] 447 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:19,600 Did you have fun today? 448 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,480 [Darrell] When we first came into his life, he goes, 449 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,200 "I hope you're a part of my life forever." 450 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,360 He goes, "But you'll probably be like everybody else, 451 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,680 come into my life for a month or two and then leave," you know. 452 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,960 And then I remember getting a letter from him, like, a year or so later, 453 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,960 he goes, "I'm comfortable now, I know you're not gonna leave me." 454 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,560 I think the cards stood out the most. 455 00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:46,840 These are all from James. 456 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:52,480 Uh, this is a card that he wrote, uh, to my wife, Naomi, calls her sis. 457 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:56,040 He goes, "I wanna show my appreciation for what a wonderful job you do 458 00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,160 raising three adorable children. 459 00:40:58,240 --> 00:40:59,680 For the sacrifices you make 460 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:01,920 as well as being a loving, nurturing mother." 461 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:11,000 You know, before, he would just say in closing, "See ya, Jimmy." 462 00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,680 Then it started going into, "Love you, bro." 463 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,200 And then it was like, "Love you, Darrell." Now it's like, "May God bless you" 464 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:21,480 or "May God keep His light shining on you" and you know, and "Love you guys a lot." 465 00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:24,840 [Darrell murmurs] 466 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:29,440 It's almost like his hardened heart has been softened. 467 00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:35,880 I think that the love that we show him, that he's never had before, 468 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,480 it's just changed his whole life. [Darrell] Since we've made contact with James 469 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,240 something that he's said quite a few times, "I've never had a family, 470 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,320 never had anybody to love, nobody loved me." 471 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,080 You know, "I've never lived, I've only existed." 472 00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,480 You know. Wow, the guy's never had a job. 473 00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,880 He's never really been with a woman, you know. 474 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:16,240 Never got to experience having kids and, you know, never been married, 475 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,880 and just all the things that we do in life, in this world, 476 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,160 he's in a different world. 477 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,960 Do I think it's been a wasted life? 478 00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:32,080 Yeah, I think it's been a wasted life. 479 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,160 I think it all just began from when he was a toddler. 480 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:37,960 There's parents, 481 00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,800 mothers and fathers out there that love their kids to death, 482 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,520 and that wasn't the case with his mom and dad. 483 00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,200 He had a hard life growing up 484 00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,080 and then, of course, straight to prison when he was 16 or 17. 485 00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:55,320 You know, it's not like he was born a monster or evil. 486 00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,320 The guy's just never been loved. 487 00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,840 I'm not sure when James is gonna be executed. 488 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:15,880 That's up to the State of Florida. 489 00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:19,880 I talked to him about... 490 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:25,840 [sighs] ...getting off of death row, you know. 491 00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,120 So he can have more time with us. 492 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:33,640 But I was being selfish by asking him that because he'd rather be executed 493 00:43:33,720 --> 00:43:37,440 than live another 40 years in prison. 494 00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:42,640 I will definitely be there. 495 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,360 Absolutely. He needs somebody there. 496 00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:50,680 I've thought about that. 497 00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,040 You know. I don't wanna be there but I know he wants me there. 498 00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:58,360 He told me I didn't have to be there but I know he'd like me there. 499 00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,200 And I think it's important. 500 00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,080 [James] I can't even express into words how good it feels 501 00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,280 to have somebody that cares about you like that. 502 00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:35,440 You know what I mean? 503 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:37,320 It's a good feeling. 504 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,480 It makes me feel a lot better, you know? 505 00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,520 It makes me wanna stay out of trouble because I don't wanna get in trouble. 506 00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:49,960 I don't wanna lose my privilege to be able to go out there and see 'em and all that. 507 00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,320 So it's, uh, it's like a carrot on a stick. 508 00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,720 Sure, it's sad to see 'em go, you know? 509 00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:23,560 I accept full responsibility for, for, you know, 510 00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,120 having to spend the rest of my life in prison. 511 00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,720 I accept full responsibility for that. You know what I mean? 512 00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:36,880 I'm not gonna get angry, you know. 513 00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,120 Bitter or something like that. I used to be like that, real bitter. 514 00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:45,240 I was bitter when I was always blaming everybody else for my, you know, 515 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,040 for the way my life turned out and stuff. 516 00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:49,960 But I stopped doing that. 517 00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,520 And as a matter of principle, 518 00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,680 I gotta-- I got to face the music. I got to man up. 519 00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:02,160 I don't like hearing other people whine or talk about blaming the world 520 00:46:02,240 --> 00:46:04,240 and everything for all their problems. 521 00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:08,920 Life ain't always fair. 522 00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:16,760 People always saying, talking about how unfair the world is and stuff, 523 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,400 ain't nobody ever said that life was meant to be fair, 524 00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:23,760 ain't nobody up, up on no cloud wearing a robe and cane, you know, saying, "I'm gonna make everything fair." They, they ain't like that, man. You know? 525 00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,440 People just got to accept that, man. You know? 526 00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,680 You're always trying to make the world better, 527 00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,240 a better place, you know. 528 00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,760 But, you know, ain't nothing perfect. 529 00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:48,920 I just wish that these guards, man, 530 00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,840 that they would make a system that's more humane, man. 531 00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,400 Let the inmates all go out into the population. 532 00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,920 [stammers] I'd be a lot more sane right now 533 00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,600 if I hadn't been locked in a cell for all them years. 534 00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,800 [fluttering] 535 00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:14,560 I'm ready, man. I'm ready to go. You know, I stopped my appeal, you know. 536 00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,600 And I'm, I'm ready to go, man. I've been ready, you know? 537 00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,920 You know, you asked me last time when you was up here... [mutters] 538 00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,400 "What you gonna-- what are you gonna feel two years from now?" 539 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,520 Man, I've been ready, man, you know? 540 00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:30,040 It's over, man, you know. I've done did all my time. I'm-- [scoffs] 541 00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,280 It's like getting a transfer or something, man. It's over with now. 542 00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,200 [laughs] 543 00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,400 Feel like I'm cheating them, huh? 544 00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:47,600 You know, but there's a long-ass list, man. 545 00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:52,120 There's a hundred and something inmates or something, uh, death row guys 546 00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,600 that are waiting, so I don't know how, how long-- 547 00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:56,640 It might be a long time. 548 00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,120 Could be quick, I don't know. 549 00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,040 I already know how they do it, the whole procedure and everything. 550 00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,400 They come up, they put you in some kind of... 551 00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:15,120 [shackles clicking] 552 00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:19,040 Like a cast thing that they wrap around you to keep your arms from moving 553 00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:22,080 because they think you might start struggling or something, 554 00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:23,960 which I wouldn't do, you know. 555 00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,760 But that's just... I don't know. 556 00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,840 Maybe they just do it to sensationalize the whole event, you know. 557 00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:37,680 To make it "Wow, they're strapping 'em up like Hannibal Lecter or... [laughs] 558 00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,880 Yeah, whatever. I don't know. But, uh... 559 00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:46,720 You know, I'm okay with it. All they do is shoot a damn needle. I'm-- 560 00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,400 You know, I'd much rather have a needle stuck in me 561 00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,120 than be electrocuted, you know. 562 00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:55,680 But I could, I could go either way. Because, you know, you-- 563 00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,000 All that shit you read about in the newspapers 564 00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:03,080 about how inhumane, uh, they put you to death, 565 00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:04,800 that's a bunch of bullshit. 566 00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:15,520 I mean, come on, man. They shoot somebody with some damn chemical 567 00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:18,880 that knocks you out and puts you to sleep, you don't know what the hell. 568 00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:20,360 You ain't feeling nothing. 569 00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:25,880 [producer] One last question, 570 00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:30,920 if you have any sort of very brief message you wanna convey 571 00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:34,280 or a way that you wanna be remembered, what would you say? 572 00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:40,000 Uh... 573 00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,400 Somebody that always speaks the truth.