1 00:00:06,959 --> 00:00:07,917 BROOKE TAYLOR: All of these people 2 00:00:08,125 --> 00:00:09,875 are looking to me to tell them what to do. 3 00:00:11,917 --> 00:00:13,458 I don't know what to tell them! 4 00:00:15,208 --> 00:00:16,667 Are you gonna take care of me? 5 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:18,291 ♪ (UPBEAT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 6 00:00:34,250 --> 00:00:35,834 LINDA O'DELL: It was a Friday night after 1:00. 7 00:00:35,917 --> 00:00:38,208 GAY HARDWICK: We were awakened by a bright light. 8 00:00:38,417 --> 00:00:40,917 FIONA WILLIAMS: And the only thing you can see is his silhouette. 9 00:00:41,083 --> 00:00:43,750 KRIS PEDRETTI: Then he said, "Don't move or I'll kill you." 10 00:00:44,709 --> 00:00:47,041 PATTON OSWALT: Patton Oswalt sitting here with Michelle McNamara. 11 00:00:47,125 --> 00:00:50,291 My wife, who's the writer of one of the best written crime blogs. 12 00:00:50,625 --> 00:00:52,041 You know, everyone has their cause, 13 00:00:52,125 --> 00:00:54,625 and this just feels like what I was born to do. 14 00:00:54,709 --> 00:00:57,333 SPEAKER: Michelle came up with the name "Golden State Killer" 15 00:00:57,417 --> 00:00:59,208 'cause he terrorized up and down the state. 16 00:00:59,291 --> 00:01:01,500 SPEAKER 2: He raped over 50 women in California 17 00:01:01,583 --> 00:01:02,875 and killed ten people. 18 00:01:03,166 --> 00:01:05,458 She wanted to get this guy caught. 19 00:01:05,792 --> 00:01:08,291 Frankly, it should be solved. I mean, it just should be. 20 00:01:08,625 --> 00:01:12,417 In the true crime community, her death was unbelievable. 21 00:01:12,500 --> 00:01:14,458 OFFICER: Although she never had a badge and a gun, 22 00:01:14,625 --> 00:01:17,083 Michelle always was and always will be one of us, 23 00:01:17,166 --> 00:01:19,667 and I have every belief that through her work, 24 00:01:19,750 --> 00:01:20,667 this will be solved. 25 00:01:21,208 --> 00:01:23,417 PROSECUTOR: He's been called the Original Night Stalker 26 00:01:24,208 --> 00:01:25,625 and the Golden State Killer. 27 00:01:26,500 --> 00:01:29,875 Today, it's our pleasure to call him defendant. 28 00:01:30,333 --> 00:01:32,917 I wish you were pointing that camera at Michelle right now. 29 00:01:33,250 --> 00:01:34,333 She got him. 30 00:01:47,166 --> 00:01:53,208 (RAIN PATTERING) 31 00:01:54,583 --> 00:01:56,959 MICHELLE MCNAMARA: I handled my first crime scene evidence 32 00:01:57,041 --> 00:01:58,542 the summer I was 14. 33 00:02:00,250 --> 00:02:04,083 Specifically, broken pieces from a yellow Walkman. 34 00:02:04,166 --> 00:02:06,500 A Walkman that 48 hours earlier 35 00:02:06,583 --> 00:02:09,041 had been in the ears of Kathy Lombardo. 36 00:02:10,125 --> 00:02:11,625 She'd been jogging a block and a half 37 00:02:11,709 --> 00:02:13,625 from her family's house, and a man's hands 38 00:02:13,709 --> 00:02:15,667 shot forth suddenly in the darkness. 39 00:02:15,750 --> 00:02:17,542 (KATHY LOMBARDO PANTING) 40 00:02:17,625 --> 00:02:19,041 MICHELLE: There was the shock of his hands 41 00:02:19,125 --> 00:02:22,041 and the brutal force with which he brought her down, 42 00:02:22,125 --> 00:02:24,041 -dragging her into the alley... -(GARBAGE CANS CLATTERING) 43 00:02:24,125 --> 00:02:26,166 ...slamming her into the garbage cans, 44 00:02:26,250 --> 00:02:27,875 where he raped Kathy, 45 00:02:27,959 --> 00:02:32,083 stabbed her, slit her throat, then disappeared. 46 00:02:34,125 --> 00:02:36,792 Never again would I tune out when the words "homicide" 47 00:02:36,875 --> 00:02:38,750 or "missing," or "mystery" came on the news. 48 00:02:38,834 --> 00:02:40,125 REPORTER 1: The mystery surrounding 49 00:02:40,208 --> 00:02:41,959 the so-called Golden State Killer 50 00:02:42,041 --> 00:02:44,291 responsible for a slew of murders and rapes... 51 00:02:44,375 --> 00:02:47,750 MICHELLE: He's the worst serial offender in modern history. 52 00:02:47,834 --> 00:02:51,208 And it really seems to me that, frankly, it should be solved. 53 00:02:51,291 --> 00:02:53,333 I mean, it just should be. 54 00:02:53,417 --> 00:02:56,583 I felt, in the truest sense of the word, gripped. 55 00:02:56,667 --> 00:02:59,792 Like an unseen force had locked onto me, 56 00:02:59,875 --> 00:03:01,709 refusing to let go. 57 00:03:01,792 --> 00:03:04,750 REPORTER 2: We found the needle in the haystack. 58 00:03:04,834 --> 00:03:07,500 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 59 00:03:07,583 --> 00:03:10,417 MICHELLE: I had a murder habit, and it was bad. 60 00:03:10,500 --> 00:03:12,709 I would feed it for the rest of my life. 61 00:03:14,083 --> 00:03:19,583 ♪ ("AVALANCHE" BY AIMEE MANN PLAYING) ♪ 62 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,542 ♪ Well I stepped Into an avalanche ♪ 63 00:03:30,500 --> 00:03:33,166 ♪ It covered up my soul ♪ 64 00:03:35,458 --> 00:03:40,542 ♪ When I am not this hunchback That you see ♪ 65 00:03:40,625 --> 00:03:43,792 ♪ I sleep beneath The golden hill ♪ 66 00:03:46,291 --> 00:03:50,041 ♪ You who wish to conquer pain ♪ 67 00:03:50,125 --> 00:03:55,959 ♪ You must learn Learn to serve me well ♪ 68 00:04:00,291 --> 00:04:02,625 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 69 00:04:13,834 --> 00:04:17,500 ♪ (MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 70 00:04:42,792 --> 00:04:44,583 REPORTER 3: The sentencing hearing has begun 71 00:04:44,667 --> 00:04:47,959 for convicted East Area Rapist and the Golden State Killer, 72 00:04:48,041 --> 00:04:49,542 Joseph DeAngelo. 73 00:04:49,625 --> 00:04:51,417 The man who terrorized California 74 00:04:51,500 --> 00:04:55,041 in a series of rapes and murders lasting a decade. 75 00:04:56,709 --> 00:04:58,291 Because of the sheer number of crimes, 76 00:04:58,375 --> 00:05:02,583 his sentencing will take place over the course of four days. 77 00:05:03,959 --> 00:05:06,333 ♪ (OMINOUS MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 78 00:05:22,458 --> 00:05:23,542 All rise. 79 00:05:25,667 --> 00:05:28,834 Department 24 of the Superior Court of California 80 00:05:28,917 --> 00:05:31,667 in and for the County of Sacramento is in session. 81 00:05:31,750 --> 00:05:35,375 The Honorable Michael Bowman, Judge, presiding. 82 00:05:37,792 --> 00:05:41,417 The People's State of California versus Joseph James DeAngelo. 83 00:05:41,500 --> 00:05:43,542 Is that your true and correct name, sir? 84 00:05:44,583 --> 00:05:46,083 (MICROPHONE CLATTERING) 85 00:05:49,166 --> 00:05:50,792 MICHAEL BOWMAN: Is that your true name, sir? 86 00:05:53,667 --> 00:05:54,834 Yes, Your Honor. 87 00:05:54,917 --> 00:05:56,709 BOWMAN: Thank you. Mr. DeAngelo, do you have any questions 88 00:05:56,792 --> 00:05:58,291 before we proceed further? 89 00:06:02,458 --> 00:06:04,750 -JOSEPH DEANGELO: No. -BOWMAN: Thank you. 90 00:06:06,083 --> 00:06:08,542 GAY HARDWICK: For over 40 years, 91 00:06:09,333 --> 00:06:12,041 I would be reminded by my brain 92 00:06:12,125 --> 00:06:14,959 that it had been okay 93 00:06:15,041 --> 00:06:17,834 for someone to come into my home 94 00:06:17,917 --> 00:06:19,834 and to... (CLEARS THROAT) 95 00:06:21,250 --> 00:06:25,125 ...wreak havoc on my body and my mind 96 00:06:25,208 --> 00:06:31,041 and my relationship and cause a lifelong pain. 97 00:06:31,125 --> 00:06:33,834 And that there was no justice. 98 00:06:35,166 --> 00:06:37,208 BOB HARDWICK: When I sat in that room 99 00:06:37,291 --> 00:06:39,125 with all the victims, 100 00:06:39,208 --> 00:06:43,333 I just-- I just listen. I was just, "God dang." 101 00:06:43,417 --> 00:06:48,125 Uh, it really got me, and I'm pretty stoic. (CHUCKLES) 102 00:06:48,208 --> 00:06:50,583 -I think he used the term "horrified." -It was just-- 103 00:06:50,667 --> 00:06:51,792 -I was-- -He was horrified. 104 00:06:51,875 --> 00:06:54,750 I was horrified that this guy did so much 105 00:06:54,834 --> 00:06:58,166 to so many people. It really hit me home. 106 00:06:59,667 --> 00:07:02,000 GAY: The 50 sexual assaults... 107 00:07:03,333 --> 00:07:05,000 13 murders... 108 00:07:07,375 --> 00:07:10,375 and it was so wrong that he was living 109 00:07:10,458 --> 00:07:12,625 and hiding amongst us somewhere. 110 00:07:14,834 --> 00:07:19,834 But today, I don't need to worry about it anymore. 111 00:07:21,041 --> 00:07:22,917 ANNE MARIE SCHUBERT: Many people have asked 112 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:24,250 and wondered, 113 00:07:24,333 --> 00:07:27,375 -really, who is Joseph DeAngelo? -(CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKING) 114 00:07:27,458 --> 00:07:31,625 Is he a feeble, old, 74-year-old man? 115 00:07:32,834 --> 00:07:34,959 Is he psychologically impaired? 116 00:07:36,166 --> 00:07:37,834 Is he physically impaired? 117 00:07:39,083 --> 00:07:41,667 Is he even competent to stand trial 118 00:07:41,750 --> 00:07:43,583 when he rolled in in a wheelchair? 119 00:07:45,166 --> 00:07:48,959 The truth of who Joseph DeAngelo is 120 00:07:49,041 --> 00:07:53,375 lies not just in what happened in the courthouse... 121 00:07:53,458 --> 00:07:55,834 but what has happened in his jail cell. 122 00:08:01,166 --> 00:08:04,208 Think back on the crimes that he committed. 123 00:08:04,291 --> 00:08:07,250 Think back what he did to shadow the light. 124 00:08:12,625 --> 00:08:16,834 You can see that Joseph DeAngelo is no different today 125 00:08:16,917 --> 00:08:18,917 than he was 45 years ago. 126 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:22,667 And the answer to those questions 127 00:08:22,750 --> 00:08:25,125 that so many people have wondered 128 00:08:25,208 --> 00:08:27,917 lies within the definition of a sociopath. 129 00:08:30,792 --> 00:08:34,500 A sociopath is a person who lies, 130 00:08:34,583 --> 00:08:37,959 deceives, and manipulates others 131 00:08:38,041 --> 00:08:40,375 for no other reason than personal gain. 132 00:08:41,959 --> 00:08:44,000 He's not a feeble old man. 133 00:08:44,083 --> 00:08:47,583 He has, and always will, be... 134 00:08:48,458 --> 00:08:50,291 a sociopath in action. 135 00:08:52,208 --> 00:08:54,625 THIEN HO: While sitting alone in the interview room 136 00:08:54,709 --> 00:08:56,542 on April the 24th, 2018, 137 00:08:56,625 --> 00:08:59,875 Joseph DeAngelo began to talk to himself. 138 00:09:00,875 --> 00:09:03,417 And he feigned feeble incoherence. 139 00:09:04,208 --> 00:09:06,583 And, among other things, said... 140 00:09:06,667 --> 00:09:10,291 "I didn't wanna do those things, but Jerry made me. 141 00:09:10,375 --> 00:09:12,709 I didn't have the strength to push him out. 142 00:09:12,792 --> 00:09:17,041 He went with me. It was like in my head he's a part of me. 143 00:09:17,125 --> 00:09:20,542 I pushed Jerry out and had a happy life. 144 00:09:20,625 --> 00:09:24,000 I've destroyed all their lives, 145 00:09:24,083 --> 00:09:26,834 so now I gotta pay the price." 146 00:09:28,125 --> 00:09:31,625 This investigation uncovered that he just pretended 147 00:09:31,709 --> 00:09:34,333 to act crazy to avoid getting in trouble. 148 00:09:37,125 --> 00:09:40,750 (NOTIFICATIONS PING) 149 00:09:52,333 --> 00:09:55,208 MICHELLE: I've been obsessed with the East Area Rapist 150 00:09:55,291 --> 00:09:58,834 and the Original Night Stalker for years. 151 00:09:58,917 --> 00:10:00,709 INTERVIEWER: So to keep the one guy straight, 152 00:10:00,792 --> 00:10:02,667 you renamed him "the Golden State Killer?" 153 00:10:02,750 --> 00:10:04,834 INTERVIEWER: Yeah, that was something I came up with 154 00:10:04,917 --> 00:10:08,041 just because he kind of snaked his way down the state. 155 00:10:10,500 --> 00:10:12,875 Most people, I guess, who get lost in the forest 156 00:10:12,959 --> 00:10:16,875 die because they won't change direction. 157 00:10:16,959 --> 00:10:19,792 I understand that because I've now committed myself 158 00:10:19,875 --> 00:10:21,625 -so much to this guy... -(INTERVIEWER LAUGHING) 159 00:10:21,709 --> 00:10:23,291 ...it can't be that I don't find him. Like-- 160 00:10:23,375 --> 00:10:26,458 -INTERVIEWER: Right. -He's taken over my life. 161 00:10:26,542 --> 00:10:29,375 REPORTER 4: Until her death, crime writer Michelle McNamara 162 00:10:29,458 --> 00:10:32,959 was obsessed with the Golden State Killer case. 163 00:10:33,041 --> 00:10:37,542 The Oak Park native wrote the book I'll Be Gone in the Dark. 164 00:10:37,625 --> 00:10:41,709 McNamara's book sparked renewed interest in this case. 165 00:10:46,041 --> 00:10:49,250 MICHELLE: Violent men unknown to me... 166 00:10:49,333 --> 00:10:52,875 have occupied my mind all my adult life. 167 00:10:58,542 --> 00:11:02,959 I'm envious of people obsessed with the Civil War, 168 00:11:03,041 --> 00:11:05,750 which brims with details but is contained. 169 00:11:05,834 --> 00:11:08,500 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 170 00:11:08,583 --> 00:11:11,417 MICHELLE: In my case, the monsters recede 171 00:11:11,500 --> 00:11:13,083 but never vanish. 172 00:11:14,583 --> 00:11:18,959 They are long dead and being born as I write. 173 00:11:20,709 --> 00:11:24,875 The first one, faceless and never caught... 174 00:11:27,041 --> 00:11:29,583 marked me at 14. 175 00:11:34,041 --> 00:11:36,917 -♪ (MARCHING BAND PLAYING) ♪ -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) 176 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:38,667 REPORTER 5: The village of Oak Park, Illinois, 177 00:11:38,750 --> 00:11:41,125 a town of stately trees and big homes, 178 00:11:41,208 --> 00:11:44,000 where Ernest Hemingway and Frank Lloyd Wright once lived, 179 00:11:44,083 --> 00:11:47,458 was declared to be an All-America City. 180 00:11:47,542 --> 00:11:50,458 MICHELLE: We lived in Oak Park, just west of Chicago. 181 00:11:51,583 --> 00:11:54,000 And by the 1980s, Oak Park had a reputation 182 00:11:54,083 --> 00:11:56,458 for a kind of privileged liberalism, 183 00:11:57,291 --> 00:11:59,750 progressive at a remove. 184 00:11:59,834 --> 00:12:03,250 -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) -(CROWD CHEERING) 185 00:12:03,333 --> 00:12:05,166 MICHELLE: It was August 1984. 186 00:12:05,250 --> 00:12:07,875 Corey Hart's "Sunglasses At Night" was everywhere. 187 00:12:07,959 --> 00:12:11,208 ♪ ("SUNGLASSES AT NIGHT" BY COREY HART PLAYING) ♪ 188 00:12:11,291 --> 00:12:13,917 Kathy Lombardo probably wasn't into "Sunglasses At Night." 189 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:15,125 (TAPE REWINDING) 190 00:12:15,208 --> 00:12:17,208 She was more likely a "Stuck On You" kind of person. 191 00:12:17,291 --> 00:12:18,709 ♪ ("STUCK ON YOU" BY LIONEL RICHIE PLAYING) ♪ 192 00:12:18,792 --> 00:12:21,375 Maybe she'd been listening to it when the moment occurred. 193 00:12:21,458 --> 00:12:24,000 ♪ (OMINOUS MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 194 00:12:25,083 --> 00:12:27,250 The moment that led to my furtive handling 195 00:12:27,333 --> 00:12:28,792 of her broken Walkman. 196 00:12:30,291 --> 00:12:31,917 REPORTER 6: Kathy was covered in blood, 197 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,291 stabbed in the neck, chest, and, abdomen, 198 00:12:34,375 --> 00:12:36,625 and she had been sexually assaulted. 199 00:12:40,667 --> 00:12:42,250 MICHELLE: I remember knowing just from the way 200 00:12:42,333 --> 00:12:44,583 my mother and sister stood looking out the second-floor window 201 00:12:44,667 --> 00:12:46,375 that something terrible had happened. 202 00:12:48,667 --> 00:12:50,834 Terrible things never happened. 203 00:12:51,500 --> 00:12:53,709 -(KNOCKING) -(DOOR OPENS) 204 00:12:53,792 --> 00:12:55,083 (OVERLAPPING CHATTER) 205 00:12:55,166 --> 00:12:56,834 -RALPH: I'm Ralph. -MICHELLE: Hi, I'm Michelle. 206 00:12:56,917 --> 00:12:57,959 -RALPH: Michelle. -MICHELLE: Yes. 207 00:12:58,041 --> 00:13:00,166 -(DOOR CLOSES) -RALPH: Okay. Have a seat. 208 00:13:02,458 --> 00:13:06,291 MICHELLE: Kathleen's murder had a big impact on me. 209 00:13:06,375 --> 00:13:08,959 But it wasn't until I returned home recently 210 00:13:09,041 --> 00:13:12,333 that I really looked into how it was investigated 211 00:13:12,417 --> 00:13:13,750 and what happened. 212 00:13:13,834 --> 00:13:14,959 -(KNOCKING) -(DOOR OPENS) 213 00:13:15,041 --> 00:13:17,125 MICHELLE: I just was trying to get, you know, 214 00:13:17,208 --> 00:13:18,917 to talk to local people and stuff like that... 215 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,417 -NEIGHBOR: Uh-huh. -...and I was just wondering if I could chat with you 216 00:13:21,500 --> 00:13:22,959 -for a second or two? -NEIGHBOR: Nope. 217 00:13:23,041 --> 00:13:24,417 (DOOR CLOSES) 218 00:13:24,500 --> 00:13:26,125 MICHELLE: Sometimes it takes a little heat 219 00:13:26,208 --> 00:13:30,417 from a writer or a reporter, and I'm happy to be that person. 220 00:13:31,709 --> 00:13:33,625 What an amazing thing it would be 221 00:13:33,709 --> 00:13:35,667 to have closure for the family. 222 00:13:37,875 --> 00:13:41,291 I hope to interview her brother Christopher soon. 223 00:13:41,375 --> 00:13:44,500 (PAPERS RUSTLING) 224 00:13:53,709 --> 00:13:57,083 This is one of the last pictures I have of my sister 225 00:13:57,166 --> 00:13:59,166 and how she looked at the time of her death. 226 00:13:59,250 --> 00:14:00,875 She had short hair. 227 00:14:02,792 --> 00:14:04,125 She was a sweet girl. 228 00:14:07,750 --> 00:14:10,083 I remember distinctly that night. 229 00:14:10,875 --> 00:14:13,333 The phone rang, I picked it up, 230 00:14:13,417 --> 00:14:15,792 and my mother screamed into the phone, 231 00:14:15,875 --> 00:14:18,500 "Your sister was murdered tonight." 232 00:14:18,583 --> 00:14:21,208 And then she just started crying. 233 00:14:25,458 --> 00:14:28,834 There's, there's no-- There's, you know-- 234 00:14:28,917 --> 00:14:31,041 You don't plan for things like that. 235 00:14:33,917 --> 00:14:37,375 She had a job that she could support herself on. 236 00:14:37,458 --> 00:14:41,375 This is my sister's, uh, Marshall Field's credit card. 237 00:14:41,458 --> 00:14:43,125 Marshall Field's was the department store 238 00:14:43,208 --> 00:14:44,667 that she worked for. 239 00:14:46,542 --> 00:14:50,500 And she had just started to live her life. 240 00:14:50,583 --> 00:14:52,417 And then this happened. 241 00:14:58,792 --> 00:15:00,458 I don't like the idea of anyone 242 00:15:00,542 --> 00:15:03,333 committing a crime like this and then just walking away. 243 00:15:04,792 --> 00:15:08,750 I have tried to advance an answer to this question, 244 00:15:08,834 --> 00:15:13,625 who killed Kathy, many times over the past 30 years. 245 00:15:15,792 --> 00:15:18,875 After I read Michelle's book... 246 00:15:18,959 --> 00:15:23,917 I was really surprised at how much about Kathy's murder 247 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:25,041 was in the book, 248 00:15:25,125 --> 00:15:28,417 the level of detail about Michelle's contacts 249 00:15:28,500 --> 00:15:31,667 with the teenagers who found her body. 250 00:15:33,166 --> 00:15:35,500 MICHELLE: Walking back into my childhood. 251 00:15:36,583 --> 00:15:39,166 Crunch as our shoes hit the ground. 252 00:15:40,709 --> 00:15:43,083 Tom was a year below me at St. Edmonds 253 00:15:43,166 --> 00:15:46,750 and was one of the boys who found Kathy's body. 254 00:15:46,834 --> 00:15:49,333 I know very little about him, aside from that 255 00:15:49,417 --> 00:15:54,375 the same night in August 1984 changed both of our lives. 256 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:56,250 MICHELLE: 257 00:15:56,333 --> 00:15:57,875 Yeah, yeah. 258 00:15:57,959 --> 00:16:00,041 Yeah. Sure, that's fine. 259 00:16:01,625 --> 00:16:03,125 There were five of us all in a row 260 00:16:03,208 --> 00:16:06,000 just kind of walking up the alley, um... 261 00:16:06,083 --> 00:16:09,250 you know, getting ready to get a Slurpee or something 262 00:16:09,333 --> 00:16:11,792 at the-- at the White Hen. 263 00:16:11,875 --> 00:16:14,542 You know, as you get in here, you're kind of surrounded 264 00:16:14,625 --> 00:16:16,583 by these garages around you. 265 00:16:16,667 --> 00:16:18,834 Uh, and then there's gangways in between. 266 00:16:20,458 --> 00:16:21,917 Usually on any given Friday night, 267 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:23,959 there were 30, 40 kids in the neighborhood playing around, 268 00:16:24,041 --> 00:16:25,542 but that night there was just five of us, 269 00:16:25,625 --> 00:16:27,417 and we came walking up the alley here. 270 00:16:30,041 --> 00:16:31,875 In the summertime, it was a grass patch here 271 00:16:31,959 --> 00:16:34,458 and a grass patch here and the big trees, 272 00:16:34,542 --> 00:16:37,083 you know, making veritable tunnels. (LAUGHS) 273 00:16:38,875 --> 00:16:41,375 As we got up, uh, through here, 274 00:16:42,125 --> 00:16:43,250 there's the light, 275 00:16:43,333 --> 00:16:46,417 and so it cast a dark shadow right across here. 276 00:16:48,750 --> 00:16:51,875 Um... (CLEARS THROAT) Then as we came through, 277 00:16:51,959 --> 00:16:54,000 uh, that's when we came across here, 278 00:16:54,083 --> 00:16:56,125 and my brother kind of losing it and saying, 279 00:16:56,208 --> 00:16:58,834 "Holy shit, holy shit." (INHALES) Um... 280 00:16:58,917 --> 00:17:02,917 (CLEARS THROAT) And that's... that's where we found her. 281 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:06,125 ♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 282 00:17:07,375 --> 00:17:09,291 Then I noticed that... 283 00:17:09,375 --> 00:17:11,000 that something was happening on her neck. 284 00:17:11,083 --> 00:17:14,333 And you could see, I could see her face, and it... 285 00:17:14,417 --> 00:17:18,083 it was someone who was alive, and that's what I can't... 286 00:17:20,250 --> 00:17:22,500 And I remember saying, "Hey, we need to get some help. 287 00:17:22,583 --> 00:17:23,875 We need some adults." 288 00:17:23,959 --> 00:17:26,709 That's when Dan decided to run, uh, to the house over there 289 00:17:26,792 --> 00:17:29,542 and I decided to go up the alleyway to the White Hen. 290 00:17:29,625 --> 00:17:31,208 REPORTER 7: Last night, somebody grabbed 291 00:17:31,291 --> 00:17:32,709 the 24-year-old Oak Park woman 292 00:17:32,792 --> 00:17:34,375 in an alley, probably from behind, 293 00:17:34,458 --> 00:17:36,917 stabbed her in the heart, and slashed her throat. 294 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,959 Police say she was probably sexually attacked as well. 295 00:17:40,041 --> 00:17:42,667 She was found just after ten o'clock by two youths 296 00:17:42,750 --> 00:17:45,834 who called a neighbor to the scene. 297 00:17:45,917 --> 00:17:48,834 -(SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY) -KIM KNEBEL: We're in the house, and... 298 00:17:48,917 --> 00:17:51,291 I'm playing with my oldest son... 299 00:17:52,333 --> 00:17:56,041 when two boys came running to the door 300 00:17:56,125 --> 00:17:58,750 and told me somebody was hurt in the alley. 301 00:18:00,041 --> 00:18:02,166 And I went running over there. 302 00:18:05,250 --> 00:18:07,166 By the time I had gotten there... 303 00:18:07,917 --> 00:18:09,000 it was too late. 304 00:18:09,083 --> 00:18:11,667 I got there and went to reach down 305 00:18:11,750 --> 00:18:14,709 to check her carotid pulse, 306 00:18:14,792 --> 00:18:17,625 and her throat was slit open. 307 00:18:17,709 --> 00:18:21,625 TOM: By the time I came back, the neighbor was there 308 00:18:21,709 --> 00:18:23,750 and he was holding his hand on her neck. 309 00:18:23,834 --> 00:18:27,291 And I was just kind of taking it in. 310 00:18:27,375 --> 00:18:30,792 KIM: She was turning pale fast, and, uh... 311 00:18:32,500 --> 00:18:33,625 she was dead. 312 00:18:37,959 --> 00:18:41,625 TOM: I remember that night and seeing her face. Um... 313 00:18:41,709 --> 00:18:43,917 And I could see light in her eyes, 314 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,750 and I think it was just the reflection... 315 00:18:46,834 --> 00:18:48,417 of the streetlight. (CLEARS THROAT) 316 00:18:50,083 --> 00:18:52,417 And then it was just gone. 317 00:18:54,709 --> 00:18:57,083 ♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 318 00:18:59,333 --> 00:19:01,125 MICHELLE: But then who else was attacked? 319 00:19:01,208 --> 00:19:02,291 Was it someone our age? 320 00:19:02,375 --> 00:19:05,125 TOM: Yeah, so just a block over, uh, 321 00:19:05,208 --> 00:19:06,375 from where we're at. 322 00:19:06,458 --> 00:19:08,625 A block over and just on the other side of the street 323 00:19:08,709 --> 00:19:10,542 is where Grace Puccetti was attacked. 324 00:19:10,625 --> 00:19:11,625 MICHELLE: Yeah. 325 00:19:11,709 --> 00:19:13,834 I'll-- I'll maybe track her down. Yeah. 326 00:19:20,709 --> 00:19:23,000 Do either of you know an Oak Park woman 327 00:19:23,083 --> 00:19:24,542 named Grace Puccetti? 328 00:19:25,542 --> 00:19:28,625 ♪ (MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 329 00:19:28,709 --> 00:19:30,917 I'm asking because she was involved 330 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:32,667 in a very similar incident 331 00:19:32,750 --> 00:19:35,000 to what happened to Kathy Lombardo, 332 00:19:35,083 --> 00:19:37,834 but about a year or two before, 333 00:19:37,917 --> 00:19:40,500 only about a half a block away. 334 00:19:40,583 --> 00:19:43,709 ♪ (MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪ 335 00:19:49,041 --> 00:19:52,750 GRACE PUCCETTI: When I was a teenager, I liked to dance. 336 00:19:52,834 --> 00:19:56,667 I really liked the technical aspect of it, 337 00:19:56,750 --> 00:19:58,125 you know, the details. 338 00:20:02,875 --> 00:20:05,083 It was December 8th. 339 00:20:05,166 --> 00:20:07,709 I was coming out of ballet. 340 00:20:07,792 --> 00:20:10,500 My mother had given me 20 dollars, 341 00:20:10,583 --> 00:20:13,333 and she was like, "Go buy some Christmas lights." 342 00:20:15,917 --> 00:20:17,875 I was walking home, 343 00:20:17,959 --> 00:20:22,000 and then I turned and went down Pleasant Street. 344 00:20:22,083 --> 00:20:24,917 ♪ (OMINOUS MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 345 00:20:26,959 --> 00:20:32,041 I could kind of sense that someone was nearby. 346 00:20:32,125 --> 00:20:35,166 (FOOTSTEPS CRUNCHING SNOW) 347 00:20:35,250 --> 00:20:37,000 I kept thinking, "Okay, well, it seems like 348 00:20:37,083 --> 00:20:38,417 the person's walking a little faster." 349 00:20:38,500 --> 00:20:41,792 And you can sense when someone's there. 350 00:20:43,333 --> 00:20:47,458 But it just seemed that... "I'm almost home. 351 00:20:47,542 --> 00:20:50,166 I'm half a block from my house. 352 00:20:50,250 --> 00:20:51,834 Nothing's gonna happen." 353 00:20:55,500 --> 00:20:58,542 And then someone appeared next to me 354 00:20:58,625 --> 00:21:01,667 and asked me how I'm doing. 355 00:21:04,125 --> 00:21:05,500 I turned to the right, 356 00:21:05,583 --> 00:21:07,417 and out of the corner of this eye, 357 00:21:07,500 --> 00:21:09,625 I saw a knife pull up. 358 00:21:09,709 --> 00:21:13,000 And he had grabbed me with a knife 359 00:21:13,083 --> 00:21:14,834 and pulled me into the alley. 360 00:21:20,583 --> 00:21:22,166 He smelled like cigarettes... 361 00:21:23,375 --> 00:21:24,542 and malt liquor. 362 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,542 Then he proceeded to tell me to... 363 00:21:29,458 --> 00:21:30,500 um... 364 00:21:32,792 --> 00:21:34,166 pull down my pants. 365 00:21:38,875 --> 00:21:42,166 And I'm like, "I-- I can't, I'm wearing a leotard." 366 00:21:43,750 --> 00:21:47,208 And then he didn't understand what a leotard is, 367 00:21:47,291 --> 00:21:51,375 so then I was trying to explain what a leotard was, 368 00:21:51,458 --> 00:21:55,208 and then he was just getting madder and madder. 369 00:21:56,834 --> 00:21:58,458 Just constantly saying, 370 00:21:58,542 --> 00:22:01,166 "Shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up." 371 00:22:03,291 --> 00:22:07,166 Then he finally said, "I'm not going to hurt you." 372 00:22:12,041 --> 00:22:13,792 I could feel, as he's saying that, 373 00:22:13,875 --> 00:22:17,250 the knife... going into my throat. 374 00:22:18,333 --> 00:22:21,625 ♪ (QUIET MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 375 00:22:24,417 --> 00:22:28,000 Next thing I knew, I was laying on my back, 376 00:22:28,083 --> 00:22:29,583 staring at the sky... 377 00:22:32,250 --> 00:22:35,375 thinking, "That's it." 378 00:22:41,750 --> 00:22:46,333 But then I realized my house is four doors away, 379 00:22:46,417 --> 00:22:49,250 and I thought, "If I'm gonna die, 380 00:22:49,333 --> 00:22:51,291 I'm gonna die at my own house." 381 00:22:52,291 --> 00:22:53,417 So I got up... 382 00:22:55,041 --> 00:22:58,208 and stumbled my way down the alley 383 00:22:58,291 --> 00:23:00,333 and went to the back door. 384 00:23:01,458 --> 00:23:04,000 My dad came to the door and was just in shock. 385 00:23:05,417 --> 00:23:07,959 And I just laid on the floor... 386 00:23:08,959 --> 00:23:12,333 and waited for the paramedics to arrive. 387 00:23:12,417 --> 00:23:17,792 (SIREN WAILING DISTANTLY) 388 00:23:18,792 --> 00:23:20,667 When I got home from the hospital, 389 00:23:20,750 --> 00:23:24,291 my mother had made sure that no one really talked about it. 390 00:23:25,333 --> 00:23:27,792 Because, as she saw it, 391 00:23:27,875 --> 00:23:30,208 with anyone who's attacked, 392 00:23:30,291 --> 00:23:35,250 the victim becomes another victim of the system. 393 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,125 So she didn't want that to happen. 394 00:23:41,166 --> 00:23:43,250 And I don't know, in a way, I thought, 395 00:23:43,333 --> 00:23:46,250 "You know what? She's right." You know, is it worth it? 396 00:23:46,333 --> 00:23:51,375 Is-- is-- is it worth it to relive it 397 00:23:51,458 --> 00:23:55,166 and to pursue something 398 00:23:55,917 --> 00:23:59,083 that you might never win? 399 00:23:59,166 --> 00:24:01,208 ♪ (MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪ 400 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,041 MICHELLE: Eventually, the case report 401 00:24:06,125 --> 00:24:09,041 is put in a file, in a box, 402 00:24:09,625 --> 00:24:11,000 then in a room. 403 00:24:11,583 --> 00:24:13,917 The door is shut. 404 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:18,917 Yellowing of paper and fading of memory commence. 405 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,000 What happened to them is buried, 406 00:24:22,083 --> 00:24:24,542 bright and unmoving, 407 00:24:25,208 --> 00:24:27,583 a coin at the bottom of a pool. 408 00:24:31,417 --> 00:24:33,333 KRIS PEDRETTI: When an assault happens... 409 00:24:34,542 --> 00:24:37,458 your whole world kind of crashes down on you. 410 00:24:37,542 --> 00:24:39,875 I think it's very normal to go inward. 411 00:24:41,542 --> 00:24:44,417 For so many years, that's what I did. 412 00:24:45,375 --> 00:24:47,375 But what I've learned is that 413 00:24:47,458 --> 00:24:50,750 you can't heal unless you can talk about it. 414 00:24:51,625 --> 00:24:53,750 Acknowledgement goes a long way. 415 00:24:55,750 --> 00:24:57,875 REPORTER 8: Today, 74-year-old Joseph DeAngelo 416 00:24:57,959 --> 00:25:00,959 will sit and hear from more than two dozen women survivors 417 00:25:01,041 --> 00:25:02,625 he terrorized in Northern California. 418 00:25:02,709 --> 00:25:04,583 REPORTER 9: This is the day they've been waiting for 419 00:25:04,667 --> 00:25:06,291 since this all started decades ago. 420 00:25:06,375 --> 00:25:08,250 All survivors and families of the murder victims 421 00:25:08,333 --> 00:25:10,250 are expected to be here as well. 422 00:25:11,750 --> 00:25:13,417 KRIS: Obviously, he was gonna be charged 423 00:25:13,500 --> 00:25:14,625 with the murders. 424 00:25:14,709 --> 00:25:18,333 But for the majority of the rape survivors... 425 00:25:18,417 --> 00:25:21,542 the statute of limitations was three years. 426 00:25:22,792 --> 00:25:26,542 So when he was captured, 427 00:25:26,625 --> 00:25:29,583 there was nothing that they could charge him with 428 00:25:30,333 --> 00:25:31,792 in our rapes. 429 00:25:31,875 --> 00:25:34,709 And so once we found out that there was the possibility 430 00:25:34,792 --> 00:25:36,083 of a plea agreement, 431 00:25:36,875 --> 00:25:39,500 we wanted to be heard. 432 00:25:39,583 --> 00:25:42,667 We wanted him to acknowledge not just the people 433 00:25:42,750 --> 00:25:44,375 that had charges against him, 434 00:25:44,458 --> 00:25:48,750 but all the many of the women that he, um... 435 00:25:49,709 --> 00:25:53,625 raped and assaulted and terrorized. 436 00:25:56,542 --> 00:25:59,458 So part of the plea agreement 437 00:25:59,542 --> 00:26:03,875 was that he was going to admit to everything. 438 00:26:03,959 --> 00:26:05,917 BAILIFF: Please remain seated and come to order. 439 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,208 Court is back in session. 440 00:26:07,291 --> 00:26:08,834 BOWMAN: Thank you. We're back on the record 441 00:26:08,917 --> 00:26:10,667 in the DeAngelo matter. 442 00:26:10,750 --> 00:26:12,834 Mr. DeAngelo's present with counsel. 443 00:26:12,917 --> 00:26:14,333 This is the time we've scheduled 444 00:26:14,417 --> 00:26:16,667 to hear from the victims and victims' family. 445 00:26:16,750 --> 00:26:19,500 As a reminder for those speaking, 446 00:26:19,583 --> 00:26:23,083 you've waited a long time to be heard. 447 00:26:23,166 --> 00:26:25,875 There's no reason to rush, so you take your time. 448 00:26:25,959 --> 00:26:28,083 I wanna hear every word that you have to say, 449 00:26:28,166 --> 00:26:30,834 and I wanna make sure we have an accurate record, as well. 450 00:26:31,834 --> 00:26:33,709 Is there any victim or victim's family member 451 00:26:33,792 --> 00:26:35,333 that wishes to be heard at this time? 452 00:26:35,417 --> 00:26:37,291 -KRIS: Yes, Your Honor. -BOWMAN: Thank you. 453 00:26:38,750 --> 00:26:40,583 My name is Kris Pedretti. 454 00:26:40,667 --> 00:26:43,458 And thank you for allowing me to share the impact 455 00:26:43,542 --> 00:26:45,625 that Joseph James DeAngelo had on me 456 00:26:45,709 --> 00:26:49,291 the night he raped and threatened constantly to kill me. 457 00:26:50,458 --> 00:26:52,709 I was a normal 15-year-old kid. 458 00:26:52,792 --> 00:26:55,583 My safety was shattered as a masked man, 459 00:26:55,667 --> 00:26:58,709 DeAngelo, yielding a knife, 460 00:26:58,792 --> 00:27:02,500 told me he would kill me if I didn't do what he demanded. 461 00:27:04,625 --> 00:27:07,291 DeAngelo stole my formative years. 462 00:27:07,375 --> 00:27:10,709 He stole my youth, my innocence, 463 00:27:11,625 --> 00:27:14,542 my faith, and my trust. 464 00:27:16,041 --> 00:27:18,000 Who could I have grown up to be? 465 00:27:19,333 --> 00:27:20,542 I guess I'll never know. 466 00:27:21,959 --> 00:27:24,041 BOWMAN: Regarding the uncharged offense of rape, 467 00:27:24,125 --> 00:27:25,458 of making a criminal threat, 468 00:27:25,542 --> 00:27:29,959 and the false imprisonment of Jane Doe number 24, 469 00:27:30,041 --> 00:27:31,709 do you admit or deny that? 470 00:27:33,917 --> 00:27:35,083 I admit. 471 00:27:36,542 --> 00:27:37,959 GAY: While living in the first home 472 00:27:38,041 --> 00:27:40,208 my husband and I purchased together, 473 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,792 where we had so much hope for our future... 474 00:27:45,875 --> 00:27:49,291 (SOBS, SNIFFLES) 475 00:27:51,542 --> 00:27:54,458 ...on March 18th, 1978, 476 00:27:56,417 --> 00:28:00,125 Joe DeAngelo attacked us while we were sleeping. 477 00:28:01,500 --> 00:28:03,000 BOWMAN: Regarding the uncharged offense 478 00:28:03,083 --> 00:28:05,959 of kidnapping to commit robbery, false imprisonment, 479 00:28:06,041 --> 00:28:07,709 making a criminal threat, 480 00:28:07,792 --> 00:28:10,375 and the rape of Jane Doe number 39, 481 00:28:10,458 --> 00:28:11,875 do you admit or deny that? 482 00:28:12,625 --> 00:28:13,792 JOSEPH: I admit. 483 00:28:15,250 --> 00:28:18,291 LINDA O'DELL: My date is May 14th, 1977. 484 00:28:19,166 --> 00:28:21,166 Today is for my granddaughter 485 00:28:21,250 --> 00:28:23,792 because I wanna teach her to be brave and strong. 486 00:28:24,709 --> 00:28:26,125 And it's for my family and friends 487 00:28:26,208 --> 00:28:27,417 that have stood by me. 488 00:28:27,500 --> 00:28:28,542 BOWMAN: Regarding count 18 489 00:28:28,625 --> 00:28:30,875 and the charged offense of false imprisonment, 490 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:32,750 kidnapping with intent to commit robbery, 491 00:28:32,834 --> 00:28:35,875 making a criminal threat, and the rape of Jane Doe 5, 492 00:28:35,959 --> 00:28:37,875 -do you admit or deny that? -JOSEPH: I admit. 493 00:28:37,959 --> 00:28:40,208 Regarding the uncharged offense of rape 494 00:28:40,291 --> 00:28:42,291 -of Jane Doe number 7... -JOSEPH: I admit. 495 00:28:42,375 --> 00:28:44,834 ...Jane Doe number 8, Jane Doe number 14, 496 00:28:44,917 --> 00:28:47,291 Jane Doe number 26, Jane Doe number 31, 497 00:28:47,375 --> 00:28:49,625 -Jane Doe number 50... -JOSEPH: I admit. 498 00:28:49,709 --> 00:28:52,166 I want to especially thank a friend 499 00:28:52,250 --> 00:28:56,375 that's accompanying me today, Bonnie. 500 00:28:56,458 --> 00:29:01,250 Even a gun pointed at her face could not make her choose you. 501 00:29:01,333 --> 00:29:02,500 (ALARM CLOCK BEEPING) 502 00:29:02,583 --> 00:29:05,709 BOWMAN: In the charge of murder of Charlene Smith 503 00:29:05,792 --> 00:29:08,041 and the charge of murder of Lyman Smith, 504 00:29:08,125 --> 00:29:09,583 how do you plead? 505 00:29:10,792 --> 00:29:12,041 JOSEPH: Guilty. 506 00:29:13,291 --> 00:29:15,125 DEBBI DOMINGO: After my mother's murder... 507 00:29:15,917 --> 00:29:18,542 I had stumbled into drug use, 508 00:29:18,625 --> 00:29:22,083 and that started a fast downward spiral. 509 00:29:22,166 --> 00:29:25,583 If I had my way, Joseph James DeAngelo 510 00:29:25,667 --> 00:29:28,333 would be shivering, blindfolded, 511 00:29:28,417 --> 00:29:32,917 naked and exposed every moment from now on. 512 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:34,250 BOB: Four nights a week, 513 00:29:34,333 --> 00:29:36,834 he can be awakened by masked inmates. 514 00:29:36,917 --> 00:29:39,458 His attackers would repeatedly rape him 515 00:29:39,542 --> 00:29:41,041 like these women were raped. 516 00:29:41,125 --> 00:29:44,667 I would want Mr. DeAngelo to suffer 517 00:29:44,750 --> 00:29:46,041 for the rest of his life, 518 00:29:46,125 --> 00:29:48,208 like my wife has suffered with this 519 00:29:48,291 --> 00:29:49,792 going on 42 years now. 520 00:29:53,542 --> 00:29:57,000 GAY: My life was now full of creases and wrinkles, 521 00:29:57,083 --> 00:29:59,750 and no matter how hard I tried to iron them all away 522 00:29:59,834 --> 00:30:02,041 and press them and smooth the lines, 523 00:30:02,625 --> 00:30:04,625 make it function, 524 00:30:04,709 --> 00:30:07,000 my life would never be the same again. 525 00:30:15,875 --> 00:30:17,875 -(ORNAMENTS CLINKING) -There. 526 00:30:23,333 --> 00:30:25,542 GRACE: I used to always tell people 527 00:30:25,625 --> 00:30:28,625 that, you know, it's the past 528 00:30:28,709 --> 00:30:33,709 and I've just been trying to move on. 529 00:30:35,417 --> 00:30:37,250 But you actually don't. 530 00:30:38,125 --> 00:30:39,625 There's always a reminder. 531 00:30:42,083 --> 00:30:46,458 -Here's your ballet shoe. -♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 532 00:30:49,583 --> 00:30:54,834 GRACE: Not talking about it did affect me in the long run. 533 00:30:54,917 --> 00:30:57,750 And it took me years... 534 00:30:59,750 --> 00:31:02,417 to actually, um... 535 00:31:03,417 --> 00:31:05,583 you know, go see someone... 536 00:31:05,667 --> 00:31:07,125 Where should I put this one? 537 00:31:07,208 --> 00:31:09,125 ...after being attacked. 538 00:31:09,208 --> 00:31:10,291 Down here? 539 00:31:10,375 --> 00:31:12,041 I felt like the police 540 00:31:12,125 --> 00:31:15,750 didn't want that kind of news in the community. 541 00:31:19,917 --> 00:31:23,625 I remember in one of the papers, it just said, 542 00:31:23,709 --> 00:31:27,291 "Girl, 15, cut... 543 00:31:28,792 --> 00:31:29,959 and robbed." 544 00:31:31,208 --> 00:31:35,375 I wasn't, like, "almost raped." I wasn't, you know, "stabbed." 545 00:31:35,458 --> 00:31:37,667 And I thought that was kind of like 546 00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:39,875 a whitewashing of the story. 547 00:31:39,959 --> 00:31:42,542 ♪ (INTENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 548 00:31:42,625 --> 00:31:45,375 And then a year and a half later, 549 00:31:45,458 --> 00:31:48,667 Kathy Lombardo was killed. 550 00:31:48,750 --> 00:31:50,625 Not even a block away. 551 00:31:51,667 --> 00:31:53,125 REPORTER 10: Just 15 minutes before, 552 00:31:53,208 --> 00:31:55,834 she'd been seen going by the alley where she was found, 553 00:31:55,917 --> 00:31:57,959 a tall man following behind. 554 00:31:59,542 --> 00:32:01,250 CHRIS LOMBARDO: One of the theories about the case 555 00:32:01,333 --> 00:32:03,208 was that the guy who did this 556 00:32:03,291 --> 00:32:05,000 came from outside the community, 557 00:32:05,083 --> 00:32:06,792 may have ridden the L to Oak Park. 558 00:32:06,875 --> 00:32:08,959 The Oak Park police are seeking a subject 559 00:32:09,041 --> 00:32:13,083 described as a Black male, 25 to 30 years of age, 560 00:32:13,166 --> 00:32:16,917 six feet tall, medium to muscular build, 561 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,875 wearing a blue bandana around his head, 562 00:32:19,959 --> 00:32:21,834 a yellow tank top, 563 00:32:21,917 --> 00:32:26,750 dark shorts, and knee-length athletic socks. 564 00:32:26,834 --> 00:32:30,375 CHRIS: The other theory was that it was someone she knew. 565 00:32:31,667 --> 00:32:33,834 This grey house, the second from the corner, 566 00:32:33,917 --> 00:32:36,667 is the house that Kathy and I grew up in. 567 00:32:38,667 --> 00:32:40,792 My parents and younger brother lived in this house 568 00:32:40,875 --> 00:32:42,959 when my sister was murdered. 569 00:32:43,041 --> 00:32:45,750 When the police arrived at my parents' house 570 00:32:45,834 --> 00:32:48,291 to start asking questions, 571 00:32:48,375 --> 00:32:51,625 they were increasingly insistent that my parents 572 00:32:51,709 --> 00:32:55,333 or siblings and I should be giving them information, 573 00:32:55,417 --> 00:32:59,083 and they became increasingly unpleasant about that. 574 00:32:59,166 --> 00:33:01,583 They wanted us to give them a name, 575 00:33:01,667 --> 00:33:02,959 and they would knock on a door, 576 00:33:03,041 --> 00:33:05,333 and the person would still be wearing the bloody clothes 577 00:33:05,417 --> 00:33:07,208 and say, "Yes, I did it." 578 00:33:09,500 --> 00:33:12,041 They did a poor investigation. 579 00:33:13,333 --> 00:33:16,000 The crime scene was trampled. 580 00:33:16,083 --> 00:33:20,041 And the materials were poorly handled. 581 00:33:21,542 --> 00:33:24,375 And then, four months after my sister was murdered, 582 00:33:24,917 --> 00:33:26,500 they said, 583 00:33:26,583 --> 00:33:30,166 "We have no leads, no identified suspects, 584 00:33:30,250 --> 00:33:33,208 and we're stopping our investigation." 585 00:33:39,500 --> 00:33:42,458 MICHELLE: The case has a lot of tragic twists and turns 586 00:33:42,542 --> 00:33:46,625 in terms of some dropped leads, in my opinion. 587 00:33:46,709 --> 00:33:50,333 Frankly, it just reeked of bad police work 588 00:33:50,417 --> 00:33:52,959 and possibly mishandling of evidence. 589 00:33:53,917 --> 00:33:56,250 So I connected with this former detective 590 00:33:56,333 --> 00:33:58,458 in Chicago named George Seibel. 591 00:34:00,500 --> 00:34:03,500 GEORGE SEIBEL: I don't know if being a cold case investigator 592 00:34:03,583 --> 00:34:06,250 is what I do or what I am anymore. 593 00:34:08,875 --> 00:34:10,959 After I left the police department, 594 00:34:13,166 --> 00:34:16,834 I saw a large amount of violence upon women 595 00:34:16,917 --> 00:34:19,500 in the area of Oak Park. 596 00:34:21,166 --> 00:34:25,875 It was not long after, uh, Kathleen's death 597 00:34:25,959 --> 00:34:28,500 that we started looking at this stuff. 598 00:34:30,500 --> 00:34:34,917 I have gone through hundreds of articles. 599 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:39,667 And what I found was a pattern of similar crimes. 600 00:34:39,750 --> 00:34:41,250 ♪ (MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 601 00:34:41,333 --> 00:34:44,625 On Memorial Day weekend of 1978, 602 00:34:44,709 --> 00:34:46,917 Rita Hopkinson was killed, 603 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,166 stabbed in an attempt at sexual assault. 604 00:34:50,250 --> 00:34:52,417 REPORTER 11: She was stabbed six times in the chest 605 00:34:52,500 --> 00:34:54,083 and slashed twice on the arm. 606 00:34:54,166 --> 00:34:56,625 Her struggle started at the top of these steps 607 00:34:56,709 --> 00:34:58,583 and ended hundreds of feet down the ramp 608 00:34:58,667 --> 00:35:01,709 on this platform, where she died. 609 00:35:01,792 --> 00:35:04,041 GEORGE: A witness described the attacker 610 00:35:04,125 --> 00:35:06,834 as a clean-cut looking, young Black guy. 611 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,959 And then there was the jogger rapist crime pattern, 612 00:35:12,041 --> 00:35:15,625 where there were at least six rapes 613 00:35:15,709 --> 00:35:18,250 in a forest reserve. 614 00:35:18,333 --> 00:35:22,458 Immediately after that slowed down and stopped, 615 00:35:22,542 --> 00:35:26,208 another rape pattern began along Washington Boulevard, 616 00:35:26,291 --> 00:35:29,750 where there were a number of rapes 617 00:35:29,834 --> 00:35:33,750 with precisely the same method of operation. 618 00:35:34,750 --> 00:35:36,375 My theory is, 619 00:35:36,458 --> 00:35:39,542 I believe that we're looking for one lone offender. 620 00:35:42,041 --> 00:35:45,458 CHRIS: When I learned that there were so many, uh, rapes 621 00:35:45,542 --> 00:35:47,500 and occasionally murders 622 00:35:47,583 --> 00:35:50,959 that were of a kind similar to my sister's, 623 00:35:51,041 --> 00:35:53,667 I went to go talk to the detective 624 00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:57,542 who was assigned to run the investigation. 625 00:35:57,625 --> 00:36:01,250 He said to me, "Oh, if we had the manpower, 626 00:36:01,333 --> 00:36:03,250 we'd be working on this every day. 627 00:36:03,333 --> 00:36:05,500 There's lot of things I could think of to do, 628 00:36:05,583 --> 00:36:09,166 and I'd like to work on this, but we don't have the staff." 629 00:36:09,250 --> 00:36:11,333 -(PHONE LINE CLICKS) -TIM UNZICKER: Hiya, Michelle. 630 00:36:11,417 --> 00:36:13,000 It's the Oak Park Police Department. 631 00:36:13,083 --> 00:36:15,667 And unfortunately, not to add red tape to your woes, 632 00:36:15,750 --> 00:36:19,000 but I can't talk to you directly about the case, 633 00:36:19,083 --> 00:36:23,083 at least without you going through, um, official channels. 634 00:36:23,166 --> 00:36:24,500 (WIND WHISTLING) 635 00:36:24,583 --> 00:36:25,834 MICHELLE: You get a feeling like-- 636 00:36:25,917 --> 00:36:27,834 because I exclusively write about cold cases-- 637 00:36:27,917 --> 00:36:30,750 there's really no reason, because you're talking about an old case, 638 00:36:30,834 --> 00:36:32,458 that someone shouldn't be able to, like, 639 00:36:32,542 --> 00:36:34,333 share with you certain details of the case, 640 00:36:34,417 --> 00:36:36,000 because they want exposure. 641 00:36:36,083 --> 00:36:39,500 And very rarely do I ever encounter anyone who's like, 642 00:36:39,583 --> 00:36:41,959 "I can't tell you about that case." 643 00:36:43,250 --> 00:36:47,166 GEORGE: At the time, there was an immense effort 644 00:36:47,250 --> 00:36:49,166 to sell Oak Park 645 00:36:49,250 --> 00:36:52,792 as a progressive, enlightened community 646 00:36:52,875 --> 00:36:57,333 where all people hold hands and dance in circles. 647 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,041 Unfortunately, 648 00:37:01,125 --> 00:37:05,375 people were getting raped all over hell and gone. 649 00:37:05,458 --> 00:37:10,208 And maybe their comfort level was that they couldn't stand 650 00:37:10,291 --> 00:37:12,750 paying attention to what was going on. 651 00:37:12,834 --> 00:37:15,250 (CROWD CHEERING) 652 00:37:15,333 --> 00:37:18,041 I'd like to live in Oak Park. I think there's a lot to offer. 653 00:37:18,125 --> 00:37:19,917 I'd like my kids to grow up here. 654 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:21,709 INTERVIEWER 2: 655 00:37:21,792 --> 00:37:23,542 I hope so. 656 00:37:23,625 --> 00:37:26,166 I don't know, if I find somewhere else, 657 00:37:26,250 --> 00:37:28,208 I'm gonna always come back to Oak Park. 658 00:37:28,291 --> 00:37:31,959 -(CROWD CHEERING) -♪ (MARCHING BAND PLAYING) ♪ 659 00:37:33,417 --> 00:37:36,458 GRACE: I don't necessarily blame the town. 660 00:37:36,542 --> 00:37:39,166 But I was angry. 661 00:37:39,250 --> 00:37:42,750 Because I felt like the police or someone was just trying 662 00:37:42,834 --> 00:37:47,083 to keep people from being fearful. 663 00:37:47,166 --> 00:37:52,250 And the more public involvement in making sure... 664 00:37:52,333 --> 00:37:54,417 uh, crimes are solved, the better. 665 00:37:54,500 --> 00:37:55,667 -(KNOCKING) -(DOOR OPENS) 666 00:37:55,750 --> 00:37:57,750 MICHELLE: I just was trying to get, you know, 667 00:37:57,834 --> 00:38:00,041 to talk to local people and stuff like that... 668 00:38:00,125 --> 00:38:03,333 GRACE: At some point, I had received an email 669 00:38:03,417 --> 00:38:06,000 -from Michelle. -(COMPUTER BEEPS) 670 00:38:06,083 --> 00:38:09,834 GRACE: She was trying to get more information about my story. 671 00:38:11,291 --> 00:38:14,250 But I didn't know if I really wanted to talk about it, 672 00:38:15,041 --> 00:38:17,500 and so I didn't respond to it. 673 00:38:19,417 --> 00:38:21,709 And then, she died. 674 00:38:25,291 --> 00:38:28,917 Without someone like that pursuing this... 675 00:38:30,041 --> 00:38:31,709 this is never going to get solved. 676 00:38:33,500 --> 00:38:36,291 ♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 677 00:38:36,375 --> 00:38:40,166 CHRIS: At this point, I don't have any real hope 678 00:38:40,250 --> 00:38:43,041 that the Oak Park police will devote resources 679 00:38:43,125 --> 00:38:45,458 or energy to my sister's murder. 680 00:38:45,542 --> 00:38:49,041 But I'm still somewhat hopeful that this is a solvable case. 681 00:38:51,250 --> 00:38:53,792 This crime affected not just my life 682 00:38:53,875 --> 00:38:56,792 and my parents' lives and shortened my mother's life 683 00:38:56,875 --> 00:38:59,625 and is something that my brothers and I think about 684 00:38:59,709 --> 00:39:01,125 every single day, 685 00:39:02,875 --> 00:39:04,250 but it's something that touched 686 00:39:04,333 --> 00:39:06,166 a lot of other people's lives as well. 687 00:39:06,250 --> 00:39:10,000 -(CROWD CHEERING) -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) 688 00:39:10,083 --> 00:39:12,000 CHRIS: And we're not the only ones 689 00:39:12,083 --> 00:39:13,667 who want to find that person. 690 00:39:13,750 --> 00:39:16,083 -(CROWD CHEERING) -Come on, Michelle. 691 00:39:16,583 --> 00:39:18,667 Good job, guys! 692 00:39:18,750 --> 00:39:21,000 MICHELLE: Two days after the murder, 693 00:39:21,083 --> 00:39:23,834 I walked over to the crime scene. 694 00:39:23,917 --> 00:39:27,083 I don't know if this next part is true. 695 00:39:29,834 --> 00:39:32,792 I remember picking up a chip from a shattered Walkman 696 00:39:32,875 --> 00:39:36,250 in the very spot I heard her body was found. 697 00:39:37,917 --> 00:39:39,625 Did I really? 698 00:39:39,709 --> 00:39:43,500 Or is it a memory I willed into existence, 699 00:39:43,583 --> 00:39:44,917 giving color and movement 700 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,792 to a moment that lived only in my head? 701 00:39:50,125 --> 00:39:52,000 I don't know. 702 00:39:52,083 --> 00:39:54,834 But I know that visit to the crime scene 703 00:39:54,917 --> 00:39:56,250 was the beginning, 704 00:39:57,750 --> 00:40:00,792 the origin of my obsession story, 705 00:40:00,875 --> 00:40:03,125 for it was there that I first experienced 706 00:40:03,208 --> 00:40:06,291 the narcotic pull of an unsolved murder. 707 00:40:08,250 --> 00:40:10,667 I felt like I knew a secret, 708 00:40:10,750 --> 00:40:14,583 and that secret had changed me forever. 709 00:40:15,792 --> 00:40:19,291 ♪ (MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 710 00:40:27,458 --> 00:40:32,083 SCHUBERT: It has been 16,417 days 711 00:40:32,166 --> 00:40:34,834 since Joseph DeAngelo began his reign of terror. 712 00:40:39,041 --> 00:40:41,834 REPORTER 12: Over the past three days, we heard from the women he raped 713 00:40:41,917 --> 00:40:44,208 and from the family of those he killed. 714 00:40:47,625 --> 00:40:49,000 REPORTER 13: Now, this morning, 715 00:40:49,083 --> 00:40:51,959 the finale of a historic criminal case, 716 00:40:52,041 --> 00:40:55,166 the sentencing will begin in just a few hours. 717 00:40:55,250 --> 00:40:58,792 DIANA BECTON: Finally, we have arrived at that day. 718 00:40:58,875 --> 00:41:02,291 The day when those who have waited so very long 719 00:41:02,375 --> 00:41:04,917 will hear that Joseph DeAngelo 720 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:09,375 will now serve the rest of his life behind bars. 721 00:41:09,458 --> 00:41:13,875 SCHUBERT: The greatest revenge is to live your lives. 722 00:41:13,959 --> 00:41:16,792 Know that the monster of your childhood 723 00:41:16,875 --> 00:41:18,083 or your younger years 724 00:41:18,166 --> 00:41:22,250 is gone forever and will die alone in the dark. 725 00:41:26,250 --> 00:41:28,208 ♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 726 00:41:34,917 --> 00:41:36,375 (INDISTINCT WHISPERING) 727 00:41:46,750 --> 00:41:49,375 I've listened to all your... 728 00:41:50,792 --> 00:41:51,959 statements. 729 00:41:55,083 --> 00:41:56,375 Each one of them. 730 00:42:03,917 --> 00:42:04,959 And I'm... 731 00:42:06,917 --> 00:42:08,083 really sorry... 732 00:42:09,917 --> 00:42:11,375 to everyone I've hurt. 733 00:42:13,875 --> 00:42:16,625 -Thank you, Your Honor. -BOWMAN: Thank you, sir. 734 00:42:18,041 --> 00:42:19,333 Mr. DeAngelo is sentenced 735 00:42:19,417 --> 00:42:22,750 to a total of 11 consecutive life sentences 736 00:42:22,834 --> 00:42:24,750 without the possibility of parole, 737 00:42:24,834 --> 00:42:26,709 plus an additional life sentence, 738 00:42:26,792 --> 00:42:28,583 plus an additional eight years. 739 00:42:28,667 --> 00:42:30,792 This is the absolute maximum sentence 740 00:42:30,875 --> 00:42:33,417 the court is able to impose under the law. 741 00:42:33,500 --> 00:42:36,166 And while the court has no power to make a determination 742 00:42:36,250 --> 00:42:38,041 of where the defendant is imprisoned, 743 00:42:38,125 --> 00:42:40,458 the survivors have spoken clearly. 744 00:42:40,542 --> 00:42:42,750 The defendant deserves no mercy. 745 00:42:42,834 --> 00:42:46,917 (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) 746 00:42:59,291 --> 00:43:02,667 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 747 00:43:09,333 --> 00:43:11,667 GAY: It's like the book slammed shut 748 00:43:11,750 --> 00:43:13,917 and it was done 749 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,291 and I knew he wouldn't ever walk. 750 00:43:18,583 --> 00:43:20,166 There's no right to appeal or anything. 751 00:43:20,250 --> 00:43:21,917 There's no right to appeal. 752 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,667 That was a big plus of the, uh... 753 00:43:25,625 --> 00:43:26,959 of the plea agreement. 754 00:43:27,041 --> 00:43:28,375 (DOG BARKING) 755 00:43:29,250 --> 00:43:30,834 -GAY: Hello! -KRIS: Hi! 756 00:43:30,917 --> 00:43:33,291 -GAY: How are you? -KRIS: (LAUGHS) Good. 757 00:43:37,583 --> 00:43:38,750 KRIS: Good job, Gay. 758 00:43:38,834 --> 00:43:40,750 -(KRIS LAUGHS) -(BOB CHUCKLES) 759 00:43:40,834 --> 00:43:42,333 KRIS: Go get your ball. 760 00:43:42,417 --> 00:43:44,750 GAY: Had he gotten the death penalty, 761 00:43:44,834 --> 00:43:48,959 there would've been ten years of additional, uh, 762 00:43:49,041 --> 00:43:50,250 appeals and hearings, 763 00:43:50,333 --> 00:43:54,583 and the case would still be in the forefront of my mind. 764 00:43:54,667 --> 00:43:58,125 BOB: And the sense of closure from him being-- 765 00:43:58,208 --> 00:44:00,375 pleading to the charges, et cetera, 766 00:44:00,458 --> 00:44:02,625 you can probably move on better. But I don't-- 767 00:44:02,709 --> 00:44:05,792 It's something we're stuck with the rest of our life. 768 00:44:05,875 --> 00:44:09,250 It's better, but it's still there, you know? 769 00:44:10,500 --> 00:44:12,875 -Hello, Cello. Hi. Hello, kiddo. -Hi! 770 00:44:12,959 --> 00:44:15,166 -Hi, buddy! -How you been? 771 00:44:15,250 --> 00:44:18,792 KRIS: For years and years and years, 772 00:44:18,875 --> 00:44:23,125 I had the same dream over and over and over again. 773 00:44:23,208 --> 00:44:25,792 And it was a dream that 774 00:44:25,875 --> 00:44:27,709 something bad was going to happen. 775 00:44:27,792 --> 00:44:31,166 And I would scream. 776 00:44:31,250 --> 00:44:35,166 And nobody could ever hear me, so I would try to scream louder, 777 00:44:35,250 --> 00:44:37,834 and I would scream louder, and nobody ever heard me. 778 00:44:37,917 --> 00:44:40,000 That has stopped for me. 779 00:44:40,083 --> 00:44:44,667 Because I now feel that my screams for help 780 00:44:44,750 --> 00:44:46,333 were finally heard. 781 00:44:46,417 --> 00:44:49,583 -♪ (GENTLE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ -(WINDCHIMES CHIMING) 782 00:44:52,750 --> 00:44:55,709 So, I had this shed that was not pretty, 783 00:44:55,792 --> 00:44:58,500 so I decided to paint it. And then one day I said, 784 00:44:58,583 --> 00:45:00,333 "You know, I'm gonna put a tree on there. 785 00:45:00,417 --> 00:45:02,959 And I'm just gonna figure out how this could be 786 00:45:03,041 --> 00:45:06,417 part of the journey that I've gone through." 787 00:45:06,500 --> 00:45:10,000 I've included some really triumphant parts. 788 00:45:10,083 --> 00:45:12,542 But also, some really hard parts. 789 00:45:12,625 --> 00:45:18,625 This burning mess right here is my life at 15 years old. 790 00:45:22,458 --> 00:45:25,417 The leaves represent new growth. 791 00:45:25,500 --> 00:45:27,208 And as each year goes by, 792 00:45:27,291 --> 00:45:30,333 I will come out and add leaves to this tree. 793 00:45:32,208 --> 00:45:34,750 And they are creeping into 794 00:45:34,834 --> 00:45:37,208 where once was chaos and sadness. 795 00:45:37,291 --> 00:45:40,208 And as they grow and they become more numerous, 796 00:45:40,291 --> 00:45:42,542 I'm able to see my growth as well. 797 00:45:42,625 --> 00:45:45,208 ♪ (MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪ 798 00:45:45,291 --> 00:45:48,041 Your personal growth and support 799 00:45:48,125 --> 00:45:52,542 and working hard to get yourself back, 800 00:45:52,625 --> 00:45:54,709 that's where the true closure comes. 801 00:45:54,792 --> 00:45:57,125 Because this turned out to be 802 00:45:57,208 --> 00:46:01,834 a really good ending to a very rotten story. 803 00:46:02,667 --> 00:46:05,458 -(BIRDS CHIRPING) -(LAUGHS) 804 00:46:05,542 --> 00:46:07,750 KRIS: We may have different experiences, 805 00:46:07,834 --> 00:46:09,250 but the result is the same, 806 00:46:09,333 --> 00:46:12,417 and our healing is beautiful as we all work, um, together. 807 00:46:12,500 --> 00:46:14,750 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 808 00:46:14,834 --> 00:46:17,166 ♪ (MUSIC SWELLS) ♪ 809 00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:26,500 GAY: I'm still always just taken aback at how many... 810 00:46:27,667 --> 00:46:30,875 survivors like us are out there 811 00:46:30,959 --> 00:46:36,458 who feel their case isn't ever going to be resolved, 812 00:46:36,542 --> 00:46:39,500 and they think they won't ever get to do 813 00:46:39,583 --> 00:46:41,375 the sentencing hearing. 814 00:46:42,417 --> 00:46:45,625 I feel like every victim deserves justice 815 00:46:45,709 --> 00:46:47,208 if it can be had. 816 00:46:49,041 --> 00:46:52,959 And I hope that they can find peace and resolution, 817 00:46:53,041 --> 00:46:55,667 because eventually that translates 818 00:46:55,750 --> 00:46:58,208 into a societal change. 819 00:46:59,625 --> 00:47:02,000 ♪ (MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪ 820 00:47:03,417 --> 00:47:07,041 MICHELLE: A violent crime never ends with a victim. 821 00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,041 The singular act reverberates, 822 00:47:11,125 --> 00:47:14,208 its wounds appearing in other people, 823 00:47:15,041 --> 00:47:19,041 sometimes months and years later. 824 00:47:19,875 --> 00:47:21,917 The pain ricochets. 825 00:47:24,834 --> 00:47:29,417 But inside everyone lurks a Sherlock Holmes 826 00:47:29,500 --> 00:47:31,959 that believes that given the right clues... 827 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,041 they could solve a mystery. 828 00:47:40,333 --> 00:47:42,917 -♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ -(BIRDS TWITTERING) 829 00:48:10,125 --> 00:48:15,333 ♪ (MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 830 00:50:13,291 --> 00:50:15,375 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪