1 00:00:01,065 --> 00:00:02,065 LIZ GARBUS: In the true crime community, 2 00:00:02,148 --> 00:00:04,232 Michelle's death was unbelievable. 3 00:00:04,565 --> 00:00:06,232 One of the first things I thought was, 4 00:00:06,315 --> 00:00:07,857 "That book has to get finished." 5 00:00:08,232 --> 00:00:09,482 ♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 6 00:00:09,565 --> 00:00:11,440 I wanted to take care of this person, 7 00:00:11,524 --> 00:00:12,524 for her whole life. 8 00:00:12,607 --> 00:00:15,065 This book, was my last opportunity 9 00:00:15,148 --> 00:00:16,857 to take care of something for her. 10 00:00:17,190 --> 00:00:19,107 And then, there was the case. 11 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,691 There was momentum within agencies recognizing, 12 00:00:22,899 --> 00:00:24,273 "We need to get this done." 13 00:00:24,524 --> 00:00:26,357 I reached out to this genetic genealogist. 14 00:00:26,732 --> 00:00:28,315 GENEALOGIST: We got over a thousand matches. 15 00:00:28,399 --> 00:00:30,023 MAN: Things snowballed from there. 16 00:00:30,107 --> 00:00:32,315 GENEALOGIST: I remember thinking, this guy looks awfully good. 17 00:00:32,565 --> 00:00:34,816 MAN: After four decades of searching for this guy, 18 00:00:34,899 --> 00:00:37,190 we got a one hundred percent match, 19 00:00:37,273 --> 00:00:39,148 to the Golden State Killer's DNA. 20 00:00:41,107 --> 00:00:43,732 (SOUND OF TEXTS BEING SENT) 21 00:00:44,232 --> 00:00:45,691 I wish you were pointing that camera 22 00:00:45,774 --> 00:00:47,023 at Michelle right now. 23 00:00:47,107 --> 00:00:48,232 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 24 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:10,023 ♪ (OMINOUS MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 25 00:01:34,857 --> 00:01:36,607 BONNIE COLWELL: I was 18. 26 00:01:36,691 --> 00:01:39,482 The good girl, the rule follower. 27 00:01:41,107 --> 00:01:42,482 Straight-A student. 28 00:01:43,857 --> 00:01:45,816 I started dating this guy. 29 00:01:46,941 --> 00:01:50,107 He was studying law enforcement 30 00:01:50,190 --> 00:01:53,023 and I was in nursing. 31 00:01:54,649 --> 00:02:00,440 He was very gregarious, uh, outgoing to all my friends. 32 00:02:00,524 --> 00:02:04,232 We'd been together close to a year. 33 00:02:04,315 --> 00:02:08,023 He gave me a high solitaire engagement ring. 34 00:02:09,857 --> 00:02:13,232 And he told me that we're gonna be married. 35 00:02:17,524 --> 00:02:19,691 The rules were never for him. 36 00:02:23,107 --> 00:02:25,148 -He took me hunting... -(GUNSHOT) 37 00:02:25,232 --> 00:02:26,399 ...without a license. 38 00:02:26,482 --> 00:02:27,899 Illegal spear fishing. 39 00:02:27,982 --> 00:02:32,941 We crossed into "no trespassing" territory at night. 40 00:02:34,023 --> 00:02:37,691 So many of the things that we did together, 41 00:02:37,774 --> 00:02:40,649 he pushed me toward fear. 42 00:02:40,732 --> 00:02:42,816 (ENGINE REVVING) 43 00:02:42,899 --> 00:02:45,649 One time, I'm on the back of his motorcycle 44 00:02:45,732 --> 00:02:47,273 doing this steep hill climb, 45 00:02:47,357 --> 00:02:50,941 I'm just thinking this is-- this is suicide. 46 00:02:51,023 --> 00:02:53,357 He let a German shepherd chase us on the bike... 47 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:54,941 (DOG BARKING) 48 00:02:55,023 --> 00:02:57,482 ...and he kicked the dog underneath the chin 49 00:02:57,565 --> 00:03:00,399 and he broke its neck. It just dropped dead. 50 00:03:02,899 --> 00:03:07,273 The critical point for us was in college. 51 00:03:07,357 --> 00:03:10,107 He told me that I was going to help him 52 00:03:10,190 --> 00:03:12,023 to cheat on the exam. 53 00:03:12,107 --> 00:03:16,023 I told him, "I won't let you cheat from my paper." 54 00:03:16,107 --> 00:03:19,190 And that began the escalation of, "But you have to. 55 00:03:19,273 --> 00:03:22,315 We're engaged. You have to, you have to. 56 00:03:22,399 --> 00:03:23,732 You owe me this." 57 00:03:25,691 --> 00:03:28,023 As he continued to put on pressure, 58 00:03:28,107 --> 00:03:31,273 I gave him back the engagement ring. 59 00:03:34,273 --> 00:03:35,482 Two weeks later, 60 00:03:35,565 --> 00:03:37,899 probably two or three o'clock in the morning, 61 00:03:37,982 --> 00:03:40,899 there was a tapping on the glass of my window. 62 00:03:40,982 --> 00:03:42,941 (KNOCKS ON WINDOW) 63 00:03:43,023 --> 00:03:46,857 I pulled the curtain back, and he was pointing a gun at me 64 00:03:46,941 --> 00:03:49,816 and said, "Get dressed, we're going to Reno tonight. 65 00:03:49,899 --> 00:03:51,190 We're gonna be married." 66 00:03:51,273 --> 00:03:53,732 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 67 00:03:53,816 --> 00:03:54,899 At that time, 68 00:03:54,982 --> 00:03:57,565 I still lived in my parents' home, 69 00:03:57,649 --> 00:04:03,232 and I ran to go wake up my father to ask him to help me. 70 00:04:03,315 --> 00:04:06,607 He put me in the bathroom and said, 71 00:04:06,691 --> 00:04:10,023 "Don't you come out until I come and get you." 72 00:04:10,107 --> 00:04:13,232 And it was about two hours of time. 73 00:04:13,315 --> 00:04:16,565 My father came back and just told me to go to bed. 74 00:04:16,649 --> 00:04:18,857 No indication of what was said 75 00:04:18,941 --> 00:04:21,190 or what had happened in the porch, 76 00:04:21,273 --> 00:04:23,399 and-- and I never knew. 77 00:04:23,482 --> 00:04:26,357 I never got the story from my father. 78 00:04:27,774 --> 00:04:29,982 And I never saw Joe again. 79 00:04:31,899 --> 00:04:35,190 ♪ ("AVALANCHE" BY AIMEE MANN PLAYING) ♪ 80 00:04:46,857 --> 00:04:50,857 ♪ Well, I stepped Into an avalanche ♪ 81 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,023 ♪ It covered up my soul ♪ 82 00:04:57,524 --> 00:05:02,691 ♪ When I am not this hunchback That you see ♪ 83 00:05:02,774 --> 00:05:05,857 ♪ I sleep beneath The golden hill ♪ 84 00:05:08,190 --> 00:05:12,065 ♪ You who wish to conquer pain ♪ 85 00:05:12,148 --> 00:05:18,273 ♪ You must learn Learn to serve me well ♪ 86 00:05:20,649 --> 00:05:23,232 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 87 00:05:27,565 --> 00:05:29,899 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 88 00:05:32,065 --> 00:05:34,315 PATTON OSWALT: Where do we go? I'll follow you. 89 00:05:34,399 --> 00:05:35,315 One minute. 90 00:05:35,399 --> 00:05:37,315 Um, can we get this to stream, or... 91 00:05:37,399 --> 00:05:39,857 -We'll find it somewhere. -PATTON: Here we go. 92 00:05:40,732 --> 00:05:41,941 Turn the volume up all the way. 93 00:05:42,023 --> 00:05:44,482 -BILLY JENSEN: Yeah, I will. -PATTON: Yeah, yeah. 94 00:05:44,565 --> 00:05:46,107 ANNE MARIE SCHUBERT: Good morning, everybody. 95 00:05:46,190 --> 00:05:47,482 For those of you that don't know, 96 00:05:47,565 --> 00:05:49,190 my name is Anne Marie Schubert, I'm the District Attorney 97 00:05:49,273 --> 00:05:51,190 of Sacramento County. 98 00:05:51,273 --> 00:05:54,941 Over these years, hundreds of individuals 99 00:05:55,023 --> 00:05:58,107 have sought justice for these victims 100 00:05:58,190 --> 00:05:59,732 and their families. 101 00:05:59,816 --> 00:06:04,732 Many have dedicated their virtual entire professions 102 00:06:04,816 --> 00:06:06,691 to seeking this answer. 103 00:06:06,774 --> 00:06:09,273 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 104 00:06:09,357 --> 00:06:12,065 PROSECUTOR: Joseph James DeAngelo 105 00:06:12,148 --> 00:06:15,190 has been called a lot of things by law enforcement. 106 00:06:15,273 --> 00:06:17,357 He's been called the East Side Rapist, 107 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:20,357 he's been called the Visalia Ransacker, 108 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:22,524 the Original Night Stalker, 109 00:06:22,607 --> 00:06:24,148 and the Golden State Killer. 110 00:06:25,482 --> 00:06:30,482 Today, it's our pleasure to call him defendant. 111 00:06:32,107 --> 00:06:35,482 His 12-year reign of terror lasted from 1974 112 00:06:35,565 --> 00:06:38,524 through May 4th of 1986. 113 00:06:38,607 --> 00:06:41,399 He started with ransacking, sexual assaults, rape. 114 00:06:41,482 --> 00:06:42,565 PATTON: Wow. 115 00:06:42,649 --> 00:06:44,565 He moved down the state from Sacramento County 116 00:06:44,649 --> 00:06:46,065 and ending in Orange County. 117 00:06:46,148 --> 00:06:48,065 They just confirmed that he's the Ransacker. 118 00:06:48,148 --> 00:06:50,482 -PATTON: Wow. -PROSECUTOR: 1980 to 1986. 119 00:06:50,899 --> 00:06:52,190 Oh my God. 120 00:06:53,816 --> 00:06:55,732 MICHELLE MCNAMARA: There's something about these detectives, 121 00:06:55,816 --> 00:06:57,482 like, I end up, like, falling a little in love 122 00:06:57,565 --> 00:06:59,232 with each of them. Just there-- there's something 123 00:06:59,315 --> 00:07:01,399 about the drive that they have and what they're doing, 124 00:07:01,482 --> 00:07:04,732 that I just... I don't know, I get, like, almost, like, teary 125 00:07:04,816 --> 00:07:07,065 when I go to all these different jurisdictions 126 00:07:07,148 --> 00:07:09,649 and they're just digging through old paperwork 127 00:07:09,732 --> 00:07:12,065 and they're not giving up. 128 00:07:12,148 --> 00:07:14,065 I have such respect for it. 129 00:07:14,148 --> 00:07:15,315 It was disbelief. 130 00:07:15,399 --> 00:07:18,899 And then, um, a flood of emotions came through 131 00:07:18,982 --> 00:07:20,440 that over 40 years, 132 00:07:20,524 --> 00:07:22,273 I didn't realize were still there. 133 00:07:22,357 --> 00:07:23,691 Uh, it's absolutely huge. 134 00:07:23,774 --> 00:07:25,565 After nearly a quarter of a century 135 00:07:25,649 --> 00:07:28,816 trying to find this guy, to actually see him, 136 00:07:28,899 --> 00:07:31,732 after all these years of wondering who he was, 137 00:07:31,816 --> 00:07:33,315 it's an amazing moment. 138 00:07:34,816 --> 00:07:37,107 NEWS ANCHOR 1: "We found the needle in the haystack." 139 00:07:37,190 --> 00:07:39,107 Those are the words of authorities in California 140 00:07:39,190 --> 00:07:42,148 following the arrest of a former police officer. 141 00:07:42,232 --> 00:07:43,649 NEWS ANCHOR 2: Joseph DeAngelo, now 72, 142 00:07:43,732 --> 00:07:46,107 arrested outside his home. They surprised him. 143 00:07:46,190 --> 00:07:49,607 No incident. He didn't say, "It wasn't me," 144 00:07:49,691 --> 00:07:50,941 or anything like that? 145 00:07:51,023 --> 00:07:54,607 No, uh, really no-- really no conversation at all. 146 00:07:54,691 --> 00:07:57,649 Uh, just the, uh, the only thing he really said was, 147 00:07:57,732 --> 00:07:59,899 uh, they had arrested him. 148 00:07:59,982 --> 00:08:03,816 So, I can tell you that over the last few days, 149 00:08:03,899 --> 00:08:08,023 as information started to point towards this individual, 150 00:08:08,732 --> 00:08:10,774 we started some surveillance. 151 00:08:10,857 --> 00:08:13,774 We were able to get some discarded DNA, 152 00:08:13,857 --> 00:08:15,982 and we were able to confirm 153 00:08:16,065 --> 00:08:17,649 what we thought we already knew. 154 00:08:17,732 --> 00:08:19,899 -What does he mean, "discarded DNA"? -We had our man. 155 00:08:19,982 --> 00:08:21,774 -They went through his trash. -Oh. 156 00:08:21,857 --> 00:08:24,982 I can't underscore enough the absolute human factor. 157 00:08:25,065 --> 00:08:30,065 This was a true convergence of emerging technology 158 00:08:30,148 --> 00:08:32,482 and dogged determination by detectives. 159 00:08:32,565 --> 00:08:33,649 Yes. 160 00:08:33,732 --> 00:08:36,065 OFFICER: So I want to thank not only the crime lab, 161 00:08:36,148 --> 00:08:38,065 the DNA that helped us get here, 162 00:08:38,148 --> 00:08:39,399 but my own detectives... 163 00:08:39,482 --> 00:08:41,524 MICHELLE: The amazing thing about this DNA technology 164 00:08:41,607 --> 00:08:43,857 is it's like every three months, it gets better. 165 00:08:43,941 --> 00:08:45,232 Within a year I can-- 166 00:08:45,315 --> 00:08:47,607 we probably will have the family tree. 167 00:08:47,691 --> 00:08:49,524 What I love is this intersection 168 00:08:49,607 --> 00:08:51,857 of sort of technology and crime solving, 169 00:08:51,941 --> 00:08:55,023 in that people can get sort of wheeled out of their house 170 00:08:55,107 --> 00:08:56,816 for something they did in 1957 171 00:08:56,899 --> 00:08:59,732 because of the internet, because of DNA. 172 00:08:59,816 --> 00:09:01,607 SETH MEYERS: She's an incredible writer, 173 00:09:01,691 --> 00:09:03,941 and a lot of people I saw on social media today 174 00:09:04,023 --> 00:09:05,190 were, you know, tweeting out 175 00:09:05,273 --> 00:09:06,857 this-- this last bit that she wrote 176 00:09:06,941 --> 00:09:08,607 -which seems really fitting. -Oh, yeah, yeah. 177 00:09:10,190 --> 00:09:14,107 "One day soon, you'll hear a car pull up to your curb, 178 00:09:15,774 --> 00:09:17,440 an engine cut out. 179 00:09:17,524 --> 00:09:20,607 PATTON AND MICHELLE TOGETHER: You'll hear footsteps coming up your front walk. 180 00:09:21,732 --> 00:09:23,315 The doorbell rings." 181 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:26,732 MICHELLE: No side gates are left open. 182 00:09:26,816 --> 00:09:30,607 You're long past leaping over a fence. 183 00:09:30,691 --> 00:09:33,649 Take one of your hyper gulping breaths, 184 00:09:33,732 --> 00:09:35,315 clench your teeth, 185 00:09:35,399 --> 00:09:38,357 inch timidly toward the insistent bell. 186 00:09:39,399 --> 00:09:41,482 (READS) 187 00:09:43,315 --> 00:09:45,148 (READS) 188 00:09:49,982 --> 00:09:51,440 Open the door. 189 00:09:52,482 --> 00:09:54,357 Show us your face. 190 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,315 Walk into the light. 191 00:10:05,857 --> 00:10:07,357 Michelle McNamara. 192 00:10:11,899 --> 00:10:13,857 (BIRDS CHIRPING) 193 00:10:19,190 --> 00:10:20,357 REPORTER 1: Good morning to you. 194 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,399 We are outside the Sacramento County Courthouse, 195 00:10:22,482 --> 00:10:24,816 where later today, 72-year-old Joseph DeAngelo 196 00:10:24,899 --> 00:10:26,982 will make his first court appearance. 197 00:10:27,065 --> 00:10:28,899 Investigators now telling us 198 00:10:28,982 --> 00:10:31,399 they used discarded DNA to help track him down... 199 00:10:31,482 --> 00:10:33,857 LINDA O'DELL: Wow, is that huge. 200 00:10:33,941 --> 00:10:35,816 I was living in Citrus Heights 201 00:10:35,899 --> 00:10:39,899 and he was living in Citrus Heights for 30 years. 202 00:10:40,816 --> 00:10:42,232 Same city. 203 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,816 And the fact that he was a police officer 204 00:10:45,899 --> 00:10:47,649 just makes me sick. 205 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:49,524 And we're off. 206 00:10:50,691 --> 00:10:52,732 Gonna have positive vibes. 207 00:10:55,565 --> 00:10:58,357 It's interesting because I am getting nervous. 208 00:10:59,482 --> 00:11:01,023 I mean, I'm not afraid of him now, 209 00:11:01,107 --> 00:11:02,816 he's just-- he's an old man, 210 00:11:02,899 --> 00:11:06,691 but, um... you know, evil's evil. 211 00:11:08,482 --> 00:11:10,899 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 212 00:11:10,982 --> 00:11:13,315 MELANIE BARBEAU: On the first day of the arraignment, 213 00:11:13,399 --> 00:11:15,774 I was just like, "Can this be happening? 214 00:11:15,857 --> 00:11:17,399 This cannot be happening." 215 00:11:18,816 --> 00:11:22,774 The victims were all kind of gathered in the DA's office, 216 00:11:22,857 --> 00:11:27,440 and Dr. Offerman's son and his wife were there. 217 00:11:31,065 --> 00:11:33,649 For the longest time, when I found out 218 00:11:33,732 --> 00:11:36,065 that the murders were associated with the rapes, 219 00:11:36,148 --> 00:11:38,357 I really wanted to meet these women. 220 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,065 They were, like, the only people maybe on the planet 221 00:11:41,148 --> 00:11:44,107 who got my story, who understood. 222 00:11:44,190 --> 00:11:46,399 And I thought, "They know." 223 00:11:46,482 --> 00:11:49,399 They know, but they know what happened to Charlene. 224 00:11:51,065 --> 00:11:54,190 But they lived through it, and they got to live through it, 225 00:11:54,273 --> 00:11:56,774 and they're strong. 226 00:11:58,315 --> 00:12:01,023 JANE CARSON-SANDLER: Forty-two years. 227 00:12:01,107 --> 00:12:03,524 Forty-two years I've waited for this. 228 00:12:03,607 --> 00:12:07,816 But, hey, he's behind bars and justice is being served. 229 00:12:07,899 --> 00:12:11,774 "Now we, dot, dot, dot, have the power 230 00:12:11,857 --> 00:12:13,357 and the control." 231 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:15,524 Rape is all about power and control, 232 00:12:15,607 --> 00:12:18,399 but, you know, now we're in charge, buddy. 233 00:12:18,482 --> 00:12:19,732 We're in charge. 234 00:12:19,816 --> 00:12:22,232 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 235 00:12:22,315 --> 00:12:24,232 REPORTER 2: Joseph DeAngelo of Citrus Heights 236 00:12:24,315 --> 00:12:27,148 is now facing 13 counts of murder 237 00:12:27,232 --> 00:12:29,482 and 13 counts of kidnapping. 238 00:12:30,607 --> 00:12:33,899 MELANIE: Deb Domingo asked if I could sit in for her, 239 00:12:33,982 --> 00:12:36,148 to be there in spirit for her mother 240 00:12:36,232 --> 00:12:39,399 and her mother's boyfriend that were so brutally murdered. 241 00:12:39,482 --> 00:12:42,691 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 242 00:13:01,107 --> 00:13:03,399 BAILIFF: All right, Your Honor, on the 130 calendar, page two, 243 00:13:03,482 --> 00:13:05,774 in custody, DeAngelo. 244 00:13:05,857 --> 00:13:10,482 JUDGE MICHAEL SWEET: Is, uh, Joseph James DeAngelo your true correct legal name? 245 00:13:10,857 --> 00:13:11,941 (INAUDIBLE) 246 00:13:12,023 --> 00:13:13,524 -JUDGE SWEET: I'm sorry? -Yes. 247 00:13:13,607 --> 00:13:15,357 JUDGE SWEET: Yes. You are. 248 00:13:16,065 --> 00:13:18,524 JENNIFER CAROLE: This old man? 249 00:13:20,023 --> 00:13:24,148 This pathetic old man is the monster? 250 00:13:24,232 --> 00:13:27,232 JUDGE SWEET: ...circumstance. Count one alleges 251 00:13:27,315 --> 00:13:31,232 on or about February 2, 1978, 252 00:13:31,315 --> 00:13:33,107 in the county of Sacramento, 253 00:13:33,190 --> 00:13:37,565 you did willfully, unlawfully, and with malice aforethought 254 00:13:37,649 --> 00:13:40,941 murder Katie Maggiore, a human being, 255 00:13:41,023 --> 00:13:45,107 in violation of Penal Code section 187, subdivision A. 256 00:13:45,190 --> 00:13:47,482 It is a felony. It's further alleged... 257 00:13:47,565 --> 00:13:50,691 KRIS PEDRETTI: I was not happy when I heard he was caught 258 00:13:51,315 --> 00:13:53,482 because I wanted him dead. 259 00:13:53,565 --> 00:13:56,816 But I was happy that he was being brought to justice. 260 00:13:56,899 --> 00:13:58,816 Like, all the conflicting feelings, 261 00:13:58,899 --> 00:14:01,982 I was angry, scared, happy, mad. 262 00:14:02,065 --> 00:14:04,732 I really experienced every emotion. 263 00:14:06,732 --> 00:14:14,065 I feel that I did a great job for 42 years of... 264 00:14:14,148 --> 00:14:20,273 living and trying to be as normal as possible. 265 00:14:20,357 --> 00:14:22,607 You know, it was now real. 266 00:14:22,691 --> 00:14:25,565 And unfortunately... 267 00:14:26,941 --> 00:14:29,565 our brains hold onto a lot of memories 268 00:14:30,774 --> 00:14:32,565 that now were starting to flood. 269 00:14:32,649 --> 00:14:35,565 JUDGE SWEET: ...sixty-one, Mr. DeAngelo. 270 00:14:35,649 --> 00:14:37,440 All right. Why don't we take a recess... 271 00:14:43,691 --> 00:14:47,023 FIONA WILLIAMS: To get through that initial time, 272 00:14:47,107 --> 00:14:50,816 I can't stress how... 273 00:14:53,816 --> 00:14:58,607 how unsettling it is to live every minute being afraid 274 00:14:58,691 --> 00:15:01,440 when you never thought that would happen to you 275 00:15:01,524 --> 00:15:02,816 or could happen. 276 00:15:05,816 --> 00:15:09,774 (LAUGHS) I scribbled over his face 'cause I hated it. 277 00:15:09,857 --> 00:15:13,232 (LAUGHS) Maybe we shouldn't use that one. 278 00:15:13,315 --> 00:15:17,440 Here's a good one. "How DNA was collected." 279 00:15:21,023 --> 00:15:25,691 Feelings are very complicated in these situations. 280 00:15:27,065 --> 00:15:30,190 I cannot remember after the rape 281 00:15:30,273 --> 00:15:34,607 the first time that I might have broken down in tears. 282 00:15:34,691 --> 00:15:40,357 I don't know that I ever did in front of any of the officers. 283 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,023 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 284 00:15:49,607 --> 00:15:53,565 FIONA: The one time I do remember crying 285 00:15:53,649 --> 00:15:55,440 was two and a half months later 286 00:15:55,524 --> 00:16:00,357 on August 16, 1977, when-- when Elvis Presley died. 287 00:16:01,273 --> 00:16:02,315 Bye. 288 00:16:03,816 --> 00:16:06,273 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 289 00:16:06,357 --> 00:16:08,816 FIONA: I cried for Elvis and I cried for myself 290 00:16:08,899 --> 00:16:12,148 and my family and all we'd been through that year. 291 00:16:12,232 --> 00:16:16,649 And strangely, after DeAngelo's arrest, 292 00:16:16,732 --> 00:16:18,941 I found myself crying a lot. 293 00:16:19,023 --> 00:16:24,023 And this is the thing about these emotions, you... 294 00:16:25,065 --> 00:16:29,357 you-- you couldn't even, uh... 295 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,691 intelligently explain why you're crying. 296 00:16:32,774 --> 00:16:36,816 It's-- it's just perhaps maybe all the emotional stress 297 00:16:36,899 --> 00:16:42,565 of so much over so long a time. 298 00:16:43,565 --> 00:16:46,524 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 299 00:16:58,524 --> 00:17:02,982 FIONA: And then, when they started showing his house 300 00:17:03,065 --> 00:17:06,273 out in Citrus Heights, his nice... 301 00:17:06,357 --> 00:17:10,774 comfy suburban three-car garage house with the toys, 302 00:17:12,107 --> 00:17:14,774 I thought, "You're kidding me." 303 00:17:14,857 --> 00:17:17,857 Citrus Heights? Under our nose? 304 00:17:17,941 --> 00:17:21,107 And he's living the comfy suburban life 305 00:17:21,190 --> 00:17:26,357 that he wrecked for so many other people? 306 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:29,607 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 307 00:17:42,732 --> 00:17:44,857 NANCY MILLER: Crazy thought, but what if we actually do 308 00:17:44,941 --> 00:17:48,440 catch this guy and you get the satisfaction 309 00:17:48,524 --> 00:17:51,065 of knowing all the work that we did 310 00:17:51,148 --> 00:17:52,982 helps land this dude? 311 00:17:53,065 --> 00:17:56,649 What's gonna happen to the kid and all these people 312 00:17:56,732 --> 00:18:00,232 that have spent 4,000 hours looking at this stuff? 313 00:18:00,315 --> 00:18:04,232 MICHELLE: Uh, what will happen if this case gets solved? 314 00:18:04,315 --> 00:18:07,399 Um, because this does seem to fulfill something 315 00:18:07,482 --> 00:18:08,649 for a lot of people. 316 00:18:10,982 --> 00:18:13,148 PAUL HAYNES: This house right here. There it is. 317 00:18:15,065 --> 00:18:17,023 -BILLY: Seriously? -That's it. 318 00:18:17,482 --> 00:18:19,148 That is it. 319 00:18:44,691 --> 00:18:46,190 HAYNES: Since DeAngelo's arrest, 320 00:18:46,273 --> 00:18:48,440 I spent that time trying to reconcile 321 00:18:48,524 --> 00:18:53,065 Joseph James DeAngelo with the abstract image 322 00:18:53,148 --> 00:18:56,565 of the East Area Rapist that I had developed. 323 00:18:56,649 --> 00:19:00,565 It's like this person's a stranger all over again. 324 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:03,607 Much in the way that, you know, 325 00:19:03,691 --> 00:19:07,273 I'd struggled to reconcile Michelle's substance abuse 326 00:19:07,357 --> 00:19:09,023 and the things that I didn't know about her 327 00:19:09,107 --> 00:19:10,440 with the person that I knew. 328 00:19:12,273 --> 00:19:14,899 I've struggled to fuse those two people. 329 00:19:18,065 --> 00:19:22,399 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 330 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,732 MELANIE: You know, all of my work 331 00:19:30,816 --> 00:19:34,524 is interest in, uh, the human psyche. 332 00:19:36,399 --> 00:19:39,524 What makes people suffer, 333 00:19:39,607 --> 00:19:43,565 what makes, uh, people turn out the way they are. 334 00:19:45,774 --> 00:19:49,065 I'm really interested in what made Joe DeAngelo 335 00:19:49,148 --> 00:19:52,107 become the East Area Rapist. 336 00:19:54,774 --> 00:19:58,816 What in his life created that monster? 337 00:20:06,941 --> 00:20:09,482 Was he born like that? 338 00:20:09,565 --> 00:20:10,941 I don't think so. 339 00:20:12,774 --> 00:20:14,190 He may have had something missing 340 00:20:14,273 --> 00:20:15,482 and it culminated in other things 341 00:20:15,565 --> 00:20:18,857 that happened to him in his childhood. 342 00:20:18,941 --> 00:20:22,399 I don't know, but I really want to know. 343 00:20:26,482 --> 00:20:27,899 (DOOR CLOSES) 344 00:20:29,023 --> 00:20:30,232 BILLY: All right. 345 00:20:35,649 --> 00:20:37,857 BILLY: The first thing I wanted to do 346 00:20:37,941 --> 00:20:41,774 was do a search for his name in Michelle's hard drive. 347 00:20:43,273 --> 00:20:45,649 She knew more about this case than anyone... 348 00:20:47,899 --> 00:20:49,357 but I didn't find it. 349 00:20:50,399 --> 00:20:52,399 And I was like, "Let's build a timeline." 350 00:20:52,482 --> 00:20:54,607 We need to build a timeline of where he's been. 351 00:20:54,691 --> 00:20:56,982 ♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 352 00:20:57,065 --> 00:20:59,899 HAYNES: Joe is one of four, born in 1945 353 00:20:59,982 --> 00:21:01,565 in upstate New York. 354 00:21:01,649 --> 00:21:03,732 As a boy, he moves with his family 355 00:21:03,816 --> 00:21:06,691 to an army base in Germany where his father's stationed. 356 00:21:06,774 --> 00:21:09,524 MICHELLE: My gut has always been like it's a troubled child 357 00:21:09,607 --> 00:21:11,607 of someone who had a big family connection 358 00:21:11,691 --> 00:21:13,315 to the military. Yeah. 359 00:21:14,565 --> 00:21:16,315 MELANIE: Then he moves to Rancho Cordova 360 00:21:16,399 --> 00:21:19,065 in Sacramento County for high school. 361 00:21:19,148 --> 00:21:22,691 They struggle financially and move frequently. 362 00:21:22,774 --> 00:21:27,482 In 1964, his parents divorce and Joe joins the Navy, 363 00:21:27,565 --> 00:21:31,315 serving as a warship repairman in Vietnam. 364 00:21:31,399 --> 00:21:33,565 MICHELLE: Another part of me thinks, "Well, was it Vietnam?" 365 00:21:33,649 --> 00:21:35,107 I mean, look at the timing of it. 366 00:21:35,190 --> 00:21:37,273 So, you know, I'm not sure it wasn't that 367 00:21:37,357 --> 00:21:38,691 or something like that. 368 00:21:38,774 --> 00:21:40,232 MAN 1: Right. Wow. 369 00:21:40,315 --> 00:21:42,440 HAYNES: When he returns in 1968, 370 00:21:42,524 --> 00:21:45,023 Joe goes to school for criminal justice. 371 00:21:45,107 --> 00:21:47,440 That's when he's engaged to Bonnie Colwell, 372 00:21:47,524 --> 00:21:49,857 which ends badly. 373 00:21:49,941 --> 00:21:52,482 MELANIE: After graduation, he follows his family 374 00:21:52,565 --> 00:21:54,273 south to Exeter, California, 375 00:21:54,357 --> 00:21:57,065 and marries twenty-year-old Sharon Huddle. 376 00:21:58,357 --> 00:22:01,607 HAYNES: In 1973, he becomes a police officer, 377 00:22:01,691 --> 00:22:03,899 assigned to the anti-burglary unit 378 00:22:03,982 --> 00:22:05,607 one town over from Visalia, 379 00:22:05,691 --> 00:22:08,107 the same year the ransackings begin. 380 00:22:10,399 --> 00:22:12,982 MELANIE: Three years later, the ransacking ceases 381 00:22:13,065 --> 00:22:15,315 and Joe moves with Sharon to Auburn, 382 00:22:15,399 --> 00:22:17,440 where he joins the police force. 383 00:22:17,524 --> 00:22:20,941 The East Area Rapist attacks begin that summer, 384 00:22:21,023 --> 00:22:24,065 just 30 miles southwest in Rancho Cordova. 385 00:22:25,857 --> 00:22:27,982 -MICHELLE: No, he definitely was living in Sacramento. -MAN 2: Okay. 386 00:22:28,065 --> 00:22:30,023 MICHELLE: I mean, he definitely knew Sacramento very well. 387 00:22:30,107 --> 00:22:32,148 But he keeps coming back to this very small-- 388 00:22:32,232 --> 00:22:33,691 I mean, you can walk to those crime scenes. 389 00:22:33,774 --> 00:22:35,899 -MAN 2: Yeah. -MICHELLE: They're within a mile of each other. 390 00:22:37,232 --> 00:22:40,023 HAYNES: The EAR terrorizes Sacramento and beyond 391 00:22:40,107 --> 00:22:42,857 until 1979, when Joe was arrested 392 00:22:42,941 --> 00:22:45,190 for stealing dog repellent and a hammer 393 00:22:45,273 --> 00:22:47,524 and fired from the force. 394 00:22:47,607 --> 00:22:49,941 NICK WILLICK: He wasn't super athletic. 395 00:22:50,023 --> 00:22:53,065 He had a nickname, which was Junk Food Joey. 396 00:22:53,148 --> 00:22:56,565 He would, you know, have a bag of potato chips, 397 00:22:56,649 --> 00:23:01,399 a candy bar, or a soft drink in his hand all the time. 398 00:23:01,482 --> 00:23:03,357 HAYNES: The Original Night Stalker murders 399 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,649 in Southern California start in 1979. 400 00:23:06,732 --> 00:23:09,148 The murder spree stops in 1981, 401 00:23:09,232 --> 00:23:12,440 the same year the first of his three daughters is born. 402 00:23:13,148 --> 00:23:14,899 MELANIE: I mean, God. 403 00:23:16,357 --> 00:23:19,023 No murders occur for the next five years 404 00:23:19,107 --> 00:23:22,482 until his last known victim, Janelle Cruz, 405 00:23:22,565 --> 00:23:24,774 is killed in 1986. 406 00:23:24,857 --> 00:23:28,315 Joe's second daughter is born six months later. 407 00:23:29,941 --> 00:23:32,357 HAYNES: In the early '90s, his wife moves out 408 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:33,982 with their three daughters. 409 00:23:34,065 --> 00:23:35,982 Though Sharon is a divorce lawyer, 410 00:23:36,065 --> 00:23:38,148 the pair never legally splits. 411 00:23:41,607 --> 00:23:44,982 MICHELLE: I think he's a middle-class guy 412 00:23:45,065 --> 00:23:48,148 who-- who has a respectable job that you would just be-- 413 00:23:48,232 --> 00:23:51,482 your jaw would drop if you found out that this was him. 414 00:23:52,732 --> 00:23:55,107 HAYNES: Joe spends most of his time fishing 415 00:23:55,190 --> 00:23:57,065 and working the night shift as a mechanic 416 00:23:57,148 --> 00:23:59,524 at a supermarket distribution center. 417 00:23:59,607 --> 00:24:02,273 In March 2018, he retires, 418 00:24:02,357 --> 00:24:04,816 and the following month, he is arrested. 419 00:24:08,857 --> 00:24:11,565 PAUL HOLES: Um, the inside of the house was cluttered, 420 00:24:11,649 --> 00:24:13,691 but an organized clutter. Uh-- 421 00:24:13,774 --> 00:24:15,148 HAYNES: Do we have any sense 422 00:24:15,232 --> 00:24:16,941 that he knew the book came out? Or-- 423 00:24:17,023 --> 00:24:19,857 HOLES: No. In fact, I was half expecting to see Michelle's book inside the house. 424 00:24:19,941 --> 00:24:21,107 -(HAYNES CHUCKLES) -BILLY: Yeah. 425 00:24:21,190 --> 00:24:24,273 HOLES: Uh, I did think about Michelle, thinking, 426 00:24:24,357 --> 00:24:26,732 "I wish you were here to be able to see this," 427 00:24:26,816 --> 00:24:29,273 because we had so many conversations 428 00:24:29,357 --> 00:24:31,816 about who this guy actually could be. 429 00:24:39,607 --> 00:24:42,065 MELANIE: You know, having three daughters 430 00:24:42,148 --> 00:24:45,899 and a granddaughter, um... 431 00:24:45,982 --> 00:24:48,148 you know, knowing that he committed crimes 432 00:24:48,232 --> 00:24:49,691 against women like that. 433 00:24:51,565 --> 00:24:53,691 What must that be like in his soul 434 00:24:53,774 --> 00:24:55,607 and in his conscience? 435 00:24:57,774 --> 00:25:01,148 My first alliance is with all the survivors, 436 00:25:01,232 --> 00:25:05,732 but I also feel compassion towards his family. 437 00:25:05,816 --> 00:25:08,273 I mean, their lives are changed forever. 438 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,565 WES RYLAND: This is Uncle Joe. (CHUCKLES) 439 00:25:20,649 --> 00:25:23,899 This is at his house, uh, in Citrus Heights. 440 00:25:27,273 --> 00:25:29,399 Here's Uncle Joe again. 441 00:25:29,482 --> 00:25:31,232 It's when he was younger. 442 00:25:31,315 --> 00:25:35,148 And this looks like it was taken at my parents' place. 443 00:25:35,232 --> 00:25:37,273 Um, yeah. 444 00:25:40,190 --> 00:25:41,232 Yeah. 445 00:25:44,982 --> 00:25:48,399 My mom, as she's dying, 446 00:25:48,482 --> 00:25:52,357 she says, "This family... 447 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,399 is so full of secrets. 448 00:25:57,065 --> 00:25:59,732 Everyone has a secret." 449 00:26:02,232 --> 00:26:06,315 It's Becky, Joe, and Constance. 450 00:26:07,774 --> 00:26:09,524 So, Constance is my mother. 451 00:26:11,315 --> 00:26:14,399 She told me stories where they would be eating... 452 00:26:14,482 --> 00:26:16,941 peas off of the kitchen floor 453 00:26:17,023 --> 00:26:18,607 and they would be looking in cabinets 454 00:26:18,691 --> 00:26:19,982 to try to find something to eat. 455 00:26:20,065 --> 00:26:21,440 They were just little kids. 456 00:26:21,524 --> 00:26:23,691 Yeah, they, you know, because they were always-- 457 00:26:23,774 --> 00:26:25,899 they were hungry, you know, and no one was home 458 00:26:25,982 --> 00:26:27,190 to feed them. 459 00:26:27,273 --> 00:26:30,649 Um, she said that they would be locked up in a closet. 460 00:26:31,857 --> 00:26:34,816 Uh, her father would lock them in a closet 461 00:26:34,899 --> 00:26:36,941 and then bring them out and line them up 462 00:26:37,023 --> 00:26:39,732 and do corporal punishment on them. 463 00:26:39,816 --> 00:26:42,524 And guess who got the worst of the beatings? 464 00:26:43,816 --> 00:26:45,565 It was Uncle Joe. 465 00:26:45,649 --> 00:26:48,315 She says, "My brother, Joe, 466 00:26:48,399 --> 00:26:50,857 got the worst of all of us." 467 00:26:53,148 --> 00:26:55,482 BONNIE: When we started dating each other, 468 00:26:55,565 --> 00:26:57,399 he had a big muscle car. 469 00:26:58,065 --> 00:26:59,899 He taught me how to drive. 470 00:26:59,982 --> 00:27:03,941 And he bought me a small .22 rifle 471 00:27:04,023 --> 00:27:05,774 and taught me how to clean it, 472 00:27:05,857 --> 00:27:08,524 how to load it, how to shoot it 473 00:27:08,607 --> 00:27:11,524 and, um, it was-- it was a power thing. 474 00:27:12,649 --> 00:27:15,357 It was all about his dominance. 475 00:27:16,774 --> 00:27:20,399 Joe was my first sexual partner. 476 00:27:20,482 --> 00:27:24,232 When we were together intimately, 477 00:27:24,941 --> 00:27:28,232 he would stop and come back 478 00:27:28,315 --> 00:27:31,148 and stop and come back and stop and come back. 479 00:27:31,232 --> 00:27:35,315 And I didn't really understand that I could say, 480 00:27:35,399 --> 00:27:37,691 "You know, this is not fun for me. 481 00:27:37,774 --> 00:27:40,565 This is practically painful for me." 482 00:27:41,065 --> 00:27:42,941 And, uh... 483 00:27:43,023 --> 00:27:44,315 but I j-- I went along. 484 00:27:44,399 --> 00:27:46,816 I didn't-- I really didn't know any better. 485 00:27:46,899 --> 00:27:50,232 I just had no reference to say, "This is-- 486 00:27:50,315 --> 00:27:53,107 This is going toward abusive." 487 00:27:55,649 --> 00:27:57,357 After the broken engagement 488 00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,273 with a gun at my window, 489 00:27:59,357 --> 00:28:02,065 I had so put it away and buried it. 490 00:28:04,565 --> 00:28:06,482 When he was arrested 491 00:28:06,565 --> 00:28:09,315 and I started to tell the story again, 492 00:28:09,399 --> 00:28:11,899 I was sleeping about three hours a night. 493 00:28:13,607 --> 00:28:16,482 I'm waking up with a gun at my head 494 00:28:16,565 --> 00:28:18,399 over and over and over again. 495 00:28:23,941 --> 00:28:26,023 LISA ORTIZ: I still today have a hard time 496 00:28:26,107 --> 00:28:27,607 believing that he did it. 497 00:28:28,816 --> 00:28:30,565 I mean, Joe's like... 498 00:28:31,273 --> 00:28:33,107 an amazing person. 499 00:28:34,399 --> 00:28:37,107 He was loving and... (SNIFFLES) 500 00:28:37,982 --> 00:28:39,774 nice and... 501 00:28:42,273 --> 00:28:45,774 just the dad that I always wished that I had had. 502 00:28:48,482 --> 00:28:52,816 I was related to Joe through marriage, 503 00:28:54,399 --> 00:28:57,524 but he was just always known as Uncle Joe to me. 504 00:28:59,816 --> 00:29:02,649 When I was 13, 505 00:29:02,732 --> 00:29:07,148 I had two boys break into my house 506 00:29:07,232 --> 00:29:11,524 through a bathroom window in my parents' room 507 00:29:13,107 --> 00:29:17,148 and put my clo-- my sister in a closet, 508 00:29:18,315 --> 00:29:19,857 held a knife to my neck, 509 00:29:21,857 --> 00:29:22,982 and attacked me. 510 00:29:25,065 --> 00:29:27,482 Well, between that and... 511 00:29:29,232 --> 00:29:32,857 the abuse of my dad, I tried to harm myself... 512 00:29:36,649 --> 00:29:38,315 and that's pretty much how I ended up 513 00:29:38,399 --> 00:29:40,023 going to live with Joe. 514 00:29:41,023 --> 00:29:45,190 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 515 00:29:46,315 --> 00:29:50,190 This was dated on April 30th... 516 00:29:52,607 --> 00:29:54,524 and I said, "Joe... 517 00:29:55,691 --> 00:29:59,023 I don't even know how to begin, other than to say..." 518 00:29:59,107 --> 00:30:00,232 (CLEARS THROAT) 519 00:30:01,982 --> 00:30:05,357 "I cannot believe what I am hearing and seeing. 520 00:30:09,273 --> 00:30:12,273 You taught me to drive, shoot a gun, 521 00:30:12,357 --> 00:30:16,357 always took me to Blockbuster to rent my favorite movies. 522 00:30:22,357 --> 00:30:25,565 Some of my best memories are of you. 523 00:30:25,649 --> 00:30:27,023 You were a good dad, 524 00:30:27,107 --> 00:30:29,565 that is the one thing I know to be true. 525 00:30:31,565 --> 00:30:33,899 I hope you did care about me... 526 00:30:36,816 --> 00:30:39,649 because my heart is forever broken." 527 00:30:39,732 --> 00:30:43,565 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 528 00:30:52,315 --> 00:30:56,649 WES: In 1975, we lived off of Winchester Way 529 00:30:56,732 --> 00:30:58,273 in Rancho Cordova. 530 00:31:00,524 --> 00:31:01,941 One night, uh, 531 00:31:03,273 --> 00:31:07,232 I was sleeping and I had to turn over. 532 00:31:07,315 --> 00:31:10,232 And I remember opening my eyes, and I saw... 533 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,774 some-- a man, or some man, 534 00:31:14,857 --> 00:31:17,607 or something, in a-- in a ski mask 535 00:31:17,691 --> 00:31:19,524 and he was staring at me. 536 00:31:19,607 --> 00:31:21,357 This is the house 537 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,023 that me and my family used to live in. 538 00:31:24,107 --> 00:31:27,565 Um, the bedroom to the left 539 00:31:27,649 --> 00:31:30,065 was me and my brother's bedroom. 540 00:31:30,148 --> 00:31:33,524 That's where I saw the man in the ski mask. 541 00:31:33,607 --> 00:31:35,107 I always wondered all these years, 542 00:31:35,190 --> 00:31:37,273 who was that talking to me 543 00:31:37,357 --> 00:31:39,857 through his teeth, who said, 544 00:31:39,941 --> 00:31:45,107 uh, "Don't turn around, go back to sleep"? 545 00:31:47,482 --> 00:31:50,941 I never discussed it with anybody. 546 00:31:51,023 --> 00:31:53,315 I never told a soul. 547 00:31:53,399 --> 00:31:56,524 I sat down with my wife after my uncle got arrested, 548 00:31:56,607 --> 00:32:00,941 and I was in tears and I was telling her these things. 549 00:32:01,565 --> 00:32:04,649 I said, "Wow, 550 00:32:04,732 --> 00:32:10,107 I wonder if he used our house as a safe haven?" 551 00:32:13,107 --> 00:32:15,774 I feel very, very bad 552 00:32:16,607 --> 00:32:18,565 for all these victims 553 00:32:18,649 --> 00:32:20,482 and for their families, 554 00:32:21,816 --> 00:32:23,607 and all these people, 555 00:32:23,691 --> 00:32:27,357 you know, that were murdered by him too and their families. 556 00:32:32,273 --> 00:32:34,273 And then, you wake up one day 557 00:32:34,357 --> 00:32:37,899 and you find out that you're on this side of the spectrum, 558 00:32:38,816 --> 00:32:41,023 where your family member 559 00:32:41,107 --> 00:32:43,899 is the one that did all these heinous crimes. 560 00:32:45,023 --> 00:32:48,565 Can you imagine how we feel as well? 561 00:32:49,774 --> 00:32:54,357 To think that someone who we knew all of our lives 562 00:32:55,607 --> 00:32:57,023 was like this, 563 00:32:58,774 --> 00:33:00,482 and we had no clue. 564 00:33:04,107 --> 00:33:07,148 JEFFREY DAHMER: The only motive that there ever was, 565 00:33:07,232 --> 00:33:09,315 was to completely control a person 566 00:33:09,399 --> 00:33:11,732 that I found physically attractive 567 00:33:11,816 --> 00:33:14,357 and keep them with me as long as possible, 568 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:18,482 even if it meant just keeping a part of them. 569 00:33:18,565 --> 00:33:20,691 MAN 3: What would motivate somebody to do this? 570 00:33:20,774 --> 00:33:21,899 MAN 4: What was the motive? 571 00:33:21,982 --> 00:33:23,148 WOMAN 1: What's the motive? 572 00:33:23,232 --> 00:33:24,273 MAN 5: What was the motive? 573 00:33:24,357 --> 00:33:25,732 ALL: (OVERLAPPING) Motive? Motive? Motive? 574 00:33:28,315 --> 00:33:29,941 (APPLAUSE) 575 00:33:30,023 --> 00:33:33,273 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 576 00:33:35,649 --> 00:33:38,440 REPORTER 3: Thousands of people flocked to Nashville, Tennessee, 577 00:33:38,524 --> 00:33:39,607 earlier this month. 578 00:33:39,691 --> 00:33:42,565 They were headed to the second annual CrimeCon, 579 00:33:42,649 --> 00:33:44,482 a convention whose mere existence 580 00:33:44,565 --> 00:33:47,357 confirms America's fascination with crime. 581 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,524 WOMAN 2: To me, it's almost like the Coachella 582 00:33:49,607 --> 00:33:51,107 of people who love true crime. 583 00:33:55,732 --> 00:33:58,357 MICHELLE: I've spent a lot of time thinking about why. 584 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,440 For many reasons, the fascination makes no sense. 585 00:34:02,232 --> 00:34:04,190 I'm extraordinarily squeamish 586 00:34:04,273 --> 00:34:06,399 about visual depictions of violence 587 00:34:06,482 --> 00:34:08,273 and frequently have to leave the room 588 00:34:08,357 --> 00:34:10,691 at what many would consider mild episodes 589 00:34:10,774 --> 00:34:13,232 of physical roughness on TV. 590 00:34:13,315 --> 00:34:16,107 No one in my family has murdered or been murdered. 591 00:34:17,941 --> 00:34:20,691 I don't know. I just don't know. 592 00:34:20,774 --> 00:34:24,774 ♪ (MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 593 00:34:27,816 --> 00:34:29,232 CRIMECON ATTENDEE: So glad to meet you! 594 00:34:29,315 --> 00:34:31,816 KAREN KILGARIFF: It's a fear a lot of women hold 595 00:34:31,899 --> 00:34:33,649 that something's gonna happen to them, 596 00:34:33,732 --> 00:34:35,691 they might get attacked, um, 597 00:34:35,774 --> 00:34:38,023 you know, whatever it might be. 598 00:34:38,107 --> 00:34:40,023 Uh, they might get raped. 599 00:34:40,107 --> 00:34:43,273 Because in the world, they are vulnerable, 600 00:34:43,357 --> 00:34:46,899 and their worst fear happened to somebody else. 601 00:34:46,982 --> 00:34:51,107 And there's empathy, it's fear-driven... 602 00:34:52,607 --> 00:34:56,357 and when you're transferred into these alternate worlds 603 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:57,607 through true crime, 604 00:34:57,691 --> 00:35:00,774 where the worst things possible are happening, 605 00:35:00,857 --> 00:35:02,148 it's both a relief, 606 00:35:02,232 --> 00:35:05,440 because it takes your mind off all your darkness inside... 607 00:35:07,315 --> 00:35:09,732 and at the same time, it's filling a fantasy 608 00:35:09,816 --> 00:35:11,524 of your worst fears. 609 00:35:15,357 --> 00:35:16,607 WOMAN 3: It was awesome. 610 00:35:16,691 --> 00:35:17,857 -Thank you, guys. -Thank you. 611 00:35:17,941 --> 00:35:19,273 -Appreciate it. -Can we have a picture? 612 00:35:19,357 --> 00:35:20,691 -HAYNES: Sure. -I'm sorry. 613 00:35:23,273 --> 00:35:24,649 Big fan. 614 00:35:26,524 --> 00:35:28,982 HAYNES: Initially, I was just a little, 615 00:35:29,065 --> 00:35:30,732 um, uneasy about the fact 616 00:35:30,816 --> 00:35:32,857 that I had no direct relationship to the case. 617 00:35:32,941 --> 00:35:34,357 It's the sort of thing that's like, 618 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:35,607 "Well, why are you doing this?" 619 00:35:35,691 --> 00:35:36,774 Like, "Do you know someone who was-- 620 00:35:36,857 --> 00:35:38,565 who was attacked by this offender?" No. 621 00:35:39,816 --> 00:35:42,732 But it was just, I don't know, why do people collect, 622 00:35:42,816 --> 00:35:46,065 uh, baseball cards or model trains, you know? 623 00:35:46,148 --> 00:35:48,190 It's just something that captured my interest. 624 00:35:53,691 --> 00:35:58,565 This case gave me a direction and a focus. 625 00:36:00,065 --> 00:36:03,065 Connecting with Michelle was validating. 626 00:36:04,315 --> 00:36:07,065 I was spending ten to 15 hours a day 627 00:36:07,148 --> 00:36:09,107 developing persons of interest. 628 00:36:10,565 --> 00:36:12,148 Had this case not been solved, 629 00:36:12,232 --> 00:36:13,524 I could have continued doing that 630 00:36:13,607 --> 00:36:15,190 for the next 20 years. 631 00:36:17,982 --> 00:36:20,232 Now that the person has a face and a name, 632 00:36:21,607 --> 00:36:24,023 I guess I'm-- I'm-- I'm just kind of waiting for a certain, 633 00:36:24,107 --> 00:36:26,565 uh, feeling to materialize. 634 00:36:31,148 --> 00:36:34,691 Sort of overwhelming waves of feeling emotion. 635 00:36:34,774 --> 00:36:37,857 Uh, and it never really happens. 636 00:36:37,941 --> 00:36:42,440 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 637 00:36:50,399 --> 00:36:52,774 KAREN: Who is Joseph James DeAngelo? 638 00:36:52,857 --> 00:36:55,482 REPORTER 3: The wife of the suspected East Area Rapist 639 00:36:55,565 --> 00:36:58,357 returned home only briefly this afternoon, 640 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,315 driving off when she saw us approach. 641 00:37:00,399 --> 00:37:03,023 KAREN: It would be living hell to be related to this person. 642 00:37:03,107 --> 00:37:05,524 REPORTER 4: Tonight, investigators revealing new details 643 00:37:05,607 --> 00:37:07,232 about what may have fueled the rage 644 00:37:07,315 --> 00:37:10,023 of accused Golden State Killer Joseph DeAngelo. 645 00:37:10,107 --> 00:37:12,774 One rape victim in 1978 describing 646 00:37:12,857 --> 00:37:15,190 how her attacker sobbed while saying, 647 00:37:15,273 --> 00:37:17,649 "I hate you, Bonnie. I hate you." 648 00:37:23,315 --> 00:37:25,148 BONNIE: I had no idea 649 00:37:26,273 --> 00:37:28,107 how much I would be involved. 650 00:37:29,774 --> 00:37:31,315 The street in front of my home 651 00:37:31,399 --> 00:37:33,023 was full of satellite trucks and reporters 652 00:37:33,107 --> 00:37:34,565 just waiting for me. 653 00:37:34,649 --> 00:37:38,190 I had, uh, 143 phone messages 654 00:37:38,273 --> 00:37:39,399 waiting on my phone. 655 00:37:39,482 --> 00:37:43,482 People calling repeatedly from NBC, ABC, CBS. 656 00:37:43,565 --> 00:37:46,941 A producer from The Today Show came day after day after day 657 00:37:47,023 --> 00:37:48,857 and left notes and cards, 658 00:37:48,941 --> 00:37:51,732 and "We want to interview you." 659 00:37:51,816 --> 00:37:55,607 My Facebook profile photograph wasn't protected, 660 00:37:55,691 --> 00:37:59,315 so that's the photograph that was used all over the place. 661 00:38:00,190 --> 00:38:03,190 It was total invasion of my privacy. 662 00:38:04,357 --> 00:38:06,941 But I refuse to wear 663 00:38:07,023 --> 00:38:09,023 the blame for a crazy man, 664 00:38:09,107 --> 00:38:13,107 so I-- I don't-- I don't carry the guilt for that. 665 00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:17,941 But the empathy with the women that were attacked, 666 00:38:18,023 --> 00:38:21,524 and I can't-- I can't turn that off. 667 00:38:22,691 --> 00:38:24,482 (APPLAUSE) 668 00:38:24,565 --> 00:38:25,732 REPORTER 5: Applause broke out 669 00:38:25,816 --> 00:38:27,399 in this Sacramento County courtroom 670 00:38:27,482 --> 00:38:29,023 after a judge ruled to begin 671 00:38:29,107 --> 00:38:31,357 Joseph DeAngelo's preliminary trial 672 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:32,482 in four months, 673 00:38:32,565 --> 00:38:35,732 despite defense requests to delay another year. 674 00:38:46,982 --> 00:38:48,982 LISA: I was told by the detectives 675 00:38:49,065 --> 00:38:54,023 that came to interview me that he didn't kill from '82... 676 00:38:54,107 --> 00:38:57,691 (SNIFFLES) And then he killed again in '86. 677 00:39:00,023 --> 00:39:04,065 And so, during that period, I lived with him, 678 00:39:04,148 --> 00:39:07,232 and then I got married in '86 and moved away. 679 00:39:08,107 --> 00:39:09,107 So... 680 00:39:10,565 --> 00:39:13,565 that's the golden question, is everybody wants to know 681 00:39:13,649 --> 00:39:15,399 why he stopped. 682 00:39:20,607 --> 00:39:22,107 WES: And there's my mother. 683 00:39:29,357 --> 00:39:31,273 My mother was, uh... 684 00:39:33,774 --> 00:39:34,982 she was raped... 685 00:39:40,774 --> 00:39:43,941 in Germany when she was seven years old... 686 00:39:47,190 --> 00:39:48,440 by two... 687 00:39:49,941 --> 00:39:51,148 military... 688 00:39:52,482 --> 00:39:53,982 officers or men... 689 00:39:55,482 --> 00:39:57,107 in an airplane hangar. 690 00:40:02,148 --> 00:40:03,816 Guess who was watching. 691 00:40:07,107 --> 00:40:08,357 Uncle Joe. 692 00:40:11,273 --> 00:40:14,607 He watched her getting raped. 693 00:40:23,232 --> 00:40:24,816 The very thing... 694 00:40:26,148 --> 00:40:27,691 that happened to my mother 695 00:40:29,107 --> 00:40:31,065 is the very thing that my uncle went 696 00:40:31,148 --> 00:40:32,607 and did to other women. 697 00:40:36,857 --> 00:40:38,315 I don't understand that. 698 00:40:40,816 --> 00:40:42,524 How sickening is that? 699 00:40:43,899 --> 00:40:50,107 Wouldn't you want to be, like, an advocate to do good 700 00:40:50,190 --> 00:40:53,399 when you see something like that happen to your own sister? 701 00:40:57,857 --> 00:40:59,315 It's just sickening. 702 00:41:06,190 --> 00:41:08,357 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 703 00:41:13,565 --> 00:41:15,148 PATTON: Honestly-- Oh-- Oh, my God. 704 00:41:15,232 --> 00:41:18,440 Thank you, guys, for staying-- coming out so early, 705 00:41:18,524 --> 00:41:19,774 for hanging out. 706 00:41:19,857 --> 00:41:22,315 This was amazing. Thank you, Paul Haynes. 707 00:41:22,399 --> 00:41:23,774 Thank you, Billy Jensen. 708 00:41:23,857 --> 00:41:26,816 (CHEERS AND APPLAUSE) 709 00:41:26,899 --> 00:41:28,273 And thank you, murderinos! 710 00:41:28,357 --> 00:41:31,399 (CHEERS AND APPLAUSE) 711 00:41:32,816 --> 00:41:36,607 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 712 00:41:42,232 --> 00:41:44,732 HAYNES: Um, this is, uh, Kris. 713 00:41:45,565 --> 00:41:47,023 K-R-I-S. 714 00:41:49,565 --> 00:41:52,190 And, um, and I'm the social worker in the book. 715 00:41:52,273 --> 00:41:53,982 -PATTON: Oh, you are. -Yeah. 716 00:41:54,065 --> 00:41:56,023 Yes. But you're not named. Are you okay with that? 717 00:41:56,107 --> 00:41:57,482 -She used a pseu-- -MELANIE: You know what? 718 00:41:57,565 --> 00:41:59,691 -I'm perfect. -Okay. Good. Good. 719 00:41:59,774 --> 00:42:01,065 Are you in the book as well? 720 00:42:01,148 --> 00:42:02,691 -I'm number one. -She's number one. 721 00:42:02,774 --> 00:42:04,816 -Oh, my God. -And Kris is number ten. 722 00:42:04,899 --> 00:42:05,982 -PATTON: God. -MELANIE: And then... 723 00:42:06,065 --> 00:42:07,232 PATTON: And you're under pseudonyms? 724 00:42:07,315 --> 00:42:08,315 -PHYLLIS ZITKA: Yep. -KRIS: Yeah. 725 00:42:08,399 --> 00:42:10,899 -Okay. -And Patricia showed up tonight 726 00:42:10,982 --> 00:42:13,732 and just, uh, went to the manager of the store 727 00:42:13,816 --> 00:42:14,941 and said she was a victim. 728 00:42:15,023 --> 00:42:17,357 And this is her first interaction tonight 729 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,315 with even, like, meeting people that-- 730 00:42:20,399 --> 00:42:23,816 It's so powerful having all the women together. 731 00:42:23,899 --> 00:42:26,190 Well, this-- this has made me feel 732 00:42:26,273 --> 00:42:28,232 -a thousand percent better... -MELANIE: Mm-hmm. 733 00:42:28,315 --> 00:42:29,857 -...getting to see you... -PHYLLIS: Us, too. 734 00:42:29,941 --> 00:42:31,482 -MELANIE: Yeah. -...like, living 735 00:42:31,565 --> 00:42:33,190 and moving around in the world and living your-- 736 00:42:33,273 --> 00:42:34,982 -KRIS: And strong. -Yeah, exactly. 737 00:42:35,065 --> 00:42:35,899 And we're... 738 00:42:35,982 --> 00:42:38,148 I-- I just feel like we've very unified 739 00:42:38,232 --> 00:42:40,273 and we do have something in common, 740 00:42:40,357 --> 00:42:42,399 but more than that, like, we just... 741 00:42:42,482 --> 00:42:43,899 -PHYLLIS: Bonded. -We've bonded. 742 00:42:43,982 --> 00:42:46,524 And so just, uh, if we're gonna find something good 743 00:42:46,607 --> 00:42:48,899 out of the bad, we're gonna find it. 744 00:42:48,982 --> 00:42:50,440 -Yeah. -KRIS: We will. 745 00:42:50,524 --> 00:42:51,982 -And we are. -(SIGHS) Oh, God. 746 00:42:52,065 --> 00:42:53,649 KRIS: So you did a really great job in finishing... 747 00:42:53,732 --> 00:42:55,565 -MELANIE: Yeah. And we thank you. -Thank you so much. 748 00:42:55,649 --> 00:42:56,941 Thank you. Thank you. 749 00:42:57,023 --> 00:43:00,315 I'm-- It means everything to get to meet you guys. 750 00:43:01,273 --> 00:43:03,148 PHYLLIS: And us to meet you. 751 00:43:03,649 --> 00:43:05,232 It does. I wish... 752 00:43:05,315 --> 00:43:06,357 And I w-- you know, I... 753 00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:07,732 PATTON: I wish Michelle was hugging you guys. 754 00:43:07,816 --> 00:43:11,065 I every day wish Michelle was here to see this. 755 00:43:11,148 --> 00:43:13,816 We-- yeah. I wish Michelle was here. 756 00:43:13,899 --> 00:43:15,982 This would have been her glory. 757 00:43:17,232 --> 00:43:19,148 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 758 00:43:19,232 --> 00:43:21,899 Pick-- Pick the Abe Lincoln setting for Billy. 759 00:43:21,982 --> 00:43:24,524 (LAUGHTER) 760 00:43:24,607 --> 00:43:28,857 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 761 00:43:31,774 --> 00:43:35,982 PATTON: Meeting those women up in Sacramento... 762 00:43:36,065 --> 00:43:39,065 to see them there and they're smiling 763 00:43:39,148 --> 00:43:43,524 and-- and-- and they were like joking with me, and, um... 764 00:43:46,691 --> 00:43:49,232 They had every right to become horrible monsters 765 00:43:49,315 --> 00:43:51,691 like Joseph DeAngelo, and they didn't. 766 00:43:51,774 --> 00:43:53,857 So, them and the way that they're living 767 00:43:53,941 --> 00:43:56,399 is such a fuck-you to him. 768 00:43:56,482 --> 00:43:59,399 Like, "You tried to bring the same damage to us 769 00:43:59,482 --> 00:44:03,399 that forever warped you, and it didn't work. 770 00:44:03,482 --> 00:44:05,607 And we-- we've proved that you could have chosen 771 00:44:05,691 --> 00:44:06,941 to overcome this 772 00:44:07,023 --> 00:44:08,982 and that's why you can't look at us." 773 00:44:10,357 --> 00:44:11,857 Fuck you, Joseph DeAngelo. 774 00:44:11,982 --> 00:44:15,649 Fuck all these fucking loser zilch assholes. 775 00:44:15,732 --> 00:44:16,982 Fuck them. 776 00:44:17,065 --> 00:44:19,899 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 777 00:44:21,899 --> 00:44:23,732 (EXCITED CHATTER) 778 00:44:24,857 --> 00:44:26,524 It's so good to see you. 779 00:44:26,607 --> 00:44:28,732 Of course! He really thinks I don't remember them. 780 00:44:28,816 --> 00:44:30,649 Are you kidding? We're like... 781 00:44:30,732 --> 00:44:33,691 -Hi! Good to see you. -How are you? 782 00:44:33,774 --> 00:44:35,357 -How are you? -Good. 783 00:44:39,816 --> 00:44:41,857 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 784 00:44:46,482 --> 00:44:49,899 -KRIS: Hello. How are you? -GAY HARDWICK: Hi. 785 00:44:49,982 --> 00:44:51,232 GAY: I'm good. 786 00:44:51,315 --> 00:44:54,649 Oh, my gosh, it's so nice to meet you. 787 00:44:54,732 --> 00:44:56,232 GAY: This is my husband, Bob. 788 00:44:56,315 --> 00:44:58,941 -Hi, Bob. It's nice to meet you, too. -BOB HARDWICK: Nice to meet you. 789 00:44:59,023 --> 00:45:00,440 -GAY: This is Kris. -Oh, yeah. 790 00:45:00,524 --> 00:45:02,315 (INDISTINCT CHATTER, LAUGHTER) 791 00:45:02,399 --> 00:45:04,649 I just wanted to introduce myself. I'm Linda. 792 00:45:04,732 --> 00:45:07,190 -COURTNEY: Hi. Courtney. -Hi, Courtney. Nice to meet you. 793 00:45:07,273 --> 00:45:09,691 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 794 00:45:09,774 --> 00:45:11,107 Hi. My name's-- my name's Michelle. 795 00:45:11,190 --> 00:45:13,148 Good to meet you. 796 00:45:13,232 --> 00:45:15,107 And I'm number-- I'm number 39. 797 00:45:15,857 --> 00:45:16,774 I'm 31. 798 00:45:16,857 --> 00:45:18,315 And this is my husband, who's also 31. 799 00:45:18,399 --> 00:45:19,774 BOB: Were you married then? 800 00:45:19,857 --> 00:45:22,315 Mm-hmm. And I had a three-year-old son. 801 00:45:22,399 --> 00:45:25,023 -Yeah. -And then how long did your marriage last after that? 802 00:45:25,107 --> 00:45:27,607 -MICHELLE MARTIN: Seven months. -Oh, boy. 803 00:45:27,691 --> 00:45:29,857 PHYLLIS: All parties went for death penalty. 804 00:45:29,941 --> 00:45:33,357 Because I wanted him to rot in jail, you know. 805 00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,023 But now... 806 00:45:35,107 --> 00:45:37,232 WOMAN 4: I don't think he's gonna live that long anyway. 807 00:45:37,315 --> 00:45:38,607 Nah, probably not. 808 00:45:38,691 --> 00:45:39,899 BOB: I told Gay, I said, 809 00:45:39,982 --> 00:45:41,607 "I hope he goes to prison for 30 years." 810 00:45:41,691 --> 00:45:42,649 Not-- Don't kill him. 811 00:45:42,732 --> 00:45:44,315 -KRIS: Yeah. -Let him suffer. 812 00:45:44,399 --> 00:45:47,857 -KRIS: Yeah, absolutely. -Trust me, he will. 813 00:45:47,941 --> 00:45:50,065 He's not gonna have any place to hide. 814 00:45:50,148 --> 00:45:52,065 I would just like for it to be over, 815 00:45:52,148 --> 00:45:54,732 and for all the convictions to be on record, 816 00:45:54,816 --> 00:45:57,899 and for him to be out of the limelight 817 00:45:57,982 --> 00:46:00,732 and where he should remain for the rest of his life. 818 00:46:00,816 --> 00:46:01,816 Yeah. 819 00:46:03,315 --> 00:46:05,023 GAY: Um, I've decided to get... 820 00:46:05,107 --> 00:46:08,273 a little bit of therapy to just deal with some of the... 821 00:46:08,357 --> 00:46:12,273 uh, feelings that I've developed over this past year, 822 00:46:13,190 --> 00:46:15,190 uh, things that have been dredged up. 823 00:46:16,399 --> 00:46:18,691 It's been almost a year now, and I'm... 824 00:46:19,691 --> 00:46:22,023 I'm much better in some ways. 825 00:46:22,982 --> 00:46:24,857 In some ways, I'm worse. 826 00:46:24,941 --> 00:46:29,399 But... I am better in my daily life 827 00:46:29,482 --> 00:46:31,357 and my ability to... 828 00:46:32,774 --> 00:46:37,691 um, sleep better at night and, uh, open the window, 829 00:46:37,774 --> 00:46:40,899 wake up, and not be certain that, uh... 830 00:46:40,982 --> 00:46:42,899 death is in my home. 831 00:46:43,857 --> 00:46:45,649 And, um... 832 00:46:45,732 --> 00:46:48,357 it is hard for, I think, people to understand, 833 00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,899 although I found people here at this gathering understand 834 00:46:52,691 --> 00:46:54,565 how it doesn't go away. 835 00:46:56,857 --> 00:46:58,857 LINDA: I'm not gonna change my life 836 00:46:58,982 --> 00:47:01,482 and give him one more ounce of me. 837 00:47:01,565 --> 00:47:05,774 And if I do, he won, and I said I'm not doing that. 838 00:47:05,857 --> 00:47:08,273 I want to be positive, I want to show strength, 839 00:47:08,357 --> 00:47:09,774 and I want to show it to other women. 840 00:47:09,857 --> 00:47:11,148 -GAY: Yes. -And young girls. 841 00:47:11,232 --> 00:47:13,023 -GAY: Yes. -If it happens to a young girl, 842 00:47:13,107 --> 00:47:14,899 report it, don't be ashamed of it, 843 00:47:14,982 --> 00:47:16,440 -own it, and move on. -GAY: That's right. 844 00:47:16,524 --> 00:47:18,148 -If you need help, get help. -GAY: Yep. 845 00:47:18,232 --> 00:47:20,190 LINDA: So, I was telling her, I said... 846 00:47:20,273 --> 00:47:23,899 My younger son did not want me to be a part of these shows. 847 00:47:23,982 --> 00:47:25,649 He said, "I'm in fear of something 848 00:47:25,732 --> 00:47:27,774 happening to my family." 849 00:47:27,857 --> 00:47:30,732 I wrote him a letter and I told him, 850 00:47:30,816 --> 00:47:33,107 "I stayed quiet for over 20 years." 851 00:47:33,982 --> 00:47:35,691 And I said, "Today, I'm happy, 852 00:47:35,774 --> 00:47:38,649 I'm healthy, I'm strong, 853 00:47:38,732 --> 00:47:40,607 I'm part of the 'Me Too,' 854 00:47:41,524 --> 00:47:43,357 and I have a story to tell." 855 00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,524 And when he got the letter, he called up and he said, 856 00:47:45,607 --> 00:47:48,023 "Mom, I love you, and I'm proud of you." 857 00:47:48,107 --> 00:47:51,524 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 858 00:47:51,607 --> 00:47:54,315 KRIS: Okay, well, has everyone got their glass? 859 00:47:54,399 --> 00:47:56,691 -WOMAN 5: Yep. -(GAY CHUCKLES) 860 00:47:56,774 --> 00:47:59,774 So, it's been four decades since the East Area Rapist 861 00:47:59,857 --> 00:48:01,315 invaded our lives... 862 00:48:04,107 --> 00:48:05,232 and our bodies. 863 00:48:05,816 --> 00:48:06,857 And with that... 864 00:48:06,941 --> 00:48:11,148 he also invaded our sense of security and safety. 865 00:48:11,232 --> 00:48:14,857 And for me, as much as I hate to admit it at times, 866 00:48:14,941 --> 00:48:16,774 it definitely changed me. 867 00:48:17,774 --> 00:48:19,565 And now, it's only been one year 868 00:48:19,649 --> 00:48:22,399 since the East Area Rapist has a face. 869 00:48:22,482 --> 00:48:25,357 He can't hide behind his mask anymore. 870 00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,232 And he has a name. 871 00:48:27,315 --> 00:48:29,816 And his name is Inmate DeAngelo. 872 00:48:30,649 --> 00:48:32,691 And Inmate DeAngelo is behind bars 873 00:48:32,774 --> 00:48:34,357 and our safety has been restored. 874 00:48:35,816 --> 00:48:37,941 But something else happened... 875 00:48:38,023 --> 00:48:40,941 during this year, and that is us. 876 00:48:41,023 --> 00:48:43,941 When we've met, we've had no trouble sharing 877 00:48:44,023 --> 00:48:45,649 what we couldn't share with other people 878 00:48:45,732 --> 00:48:47,607 because it comes from here and we get it. 879 00:48:47,691 --> 00:48:49,732 And we know what it means. 880 00:48:49,816 --> 00:48:52,190 We're not just survivor sisters, 881 00:48:52,273 --> 00:48:54,023 we are a survivor family. 882 00:48:55,315 --> 00:48:56,982 -Well, said. -KRIS: And... 883 00:48:57,649 --> 00:48:59,649 um, on a personal note, 884 00:49:00,816 --> 00:49:02,732 I feel for the very first time 885 00:49:02,816 --> 00:49:07,273 that I'm on the road to becoming myself again. 886 00:49:07,357 --> 00:49:09,190 And you are all to thank for that. 887 00:49:10,148 --> 00:49:11,565 So raise your glass 888 00:49:11,649 --> 00:49:14,273 to our new extended survivor family. 889 00:49:14,357 --> 00:49:16,399 -Cheers. -ALL: Cheers. 890 00:49:16,482 --> 00:49:19,774 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 891 00:49:19,857 --> 00:49:23,315 (INDISTINCT CHATTER, LAUGHTER) 892 00:49:25,524 --> 00:49:26,941 (SNIFFLES) 893 00:49:27,023 --> 00:49:29,023 WOMAN 6: Great... Great job, Kris. 894 00:49:29,107 --> 00:49:31,565 -KRIS: Thank you. Thank you. -WOMAN 6: Thank you so much. Thank you. 895 00:49:35,315 --> 00:49:37,524 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 896 00:49:39,357 --> 00:49:41,565 -KRIS: Oh, are you leaving? -GAY: We're gonna have to go. 897 00:49:41,649 --> 00:49:43,232 Okay. Yeah. You've got vacation, huh? 898 00:49:44,524 --> 00:49:47,065 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 899 00:49:54,107 --> 00:49:56,273 BOB: 900 00:50:03,190 --> 00:50:06,232 ♪ ("UN REFLET DE VOUS" BY DENIS BENOLIEL & OPHELIA BARD PLAYS) ♪ 901 00:50:10,190 --> 00:50:13,732 GAY: The arrest of the suspect and visiting Paris 902 00:50:13,816 --> 00:50:16,440 were two lifelong dreams for me. 903 00:50:16,524 --> 00:50:19,899 And somehow, they occurred simultaneously. 904 00:50:21,232 --> 00:50:24,691 We had this trip planned for a while. 905 00:50:24,774 --> 00:50:28,732 And when he was arrested, I said... 906 00:50:28,816 --> 00:50:31,607 "He's going to prison and I'm going to Paris." 907 00:50:31,691 --> 00:50:34,190 And that's-- that's a good thing. 908 00:50:34,273 --> 00:50:38,148 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 909 00:50:38,232 --> 00:50:41,899 Two days later, I found myself walking through the Louvre 910 00:50:41,982 --> 00:50:44,023 for the first time in my whole life, 911 00:50:44,107 --> 00:50:46,107 which had been a lifelong goal. 912 00:50:46,190 --> 00:50:48,649 And I was just stopped in my tracks 913 00:50:48,732 --> 00:50:50,899 by this one painting. 914 00:50:56,148 --> 00:51:02,190 It is a young woman who has been left to drown 915 00:51:02,273 --> 00:51:03,941 with her hands bound. 916 00:51:05,315 --> 00:51:09,857 And the painting shows her peacefully having... 917 00:51:09,941 --> 00:51:11,691 given up... 918 00:51:11,774 --> 00:51:14,148 just under the surface of the water. 919 00:51:15,232 --> 00:51:19,816 It just summed up how I felt, you know, 920 00:51:19,899 --> 00:51:22,440 during the event and sometimes after. 921 00:51:23,982 --> 00:51:26,232 You know, this is what it feels like 922 00:51:26,315 --> 00:51:30,899 to have everything taken from you. 923 00:51:30,982 --> 00:51:35,107 And yet, you know, you're so close to the surface, 924 00:51:35,190 --> 00:51:37,399 but you can't survive. 925 00:51:37,482 --> 00:51:40,691 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 926 00:52:22,524 --> 00:52:24,440 MICHELLE: I think the narcotic pull for me 927 00:52:24,524 --> 00:52:26,607 is what I think of as the powerful absence 928 00:52:26,691 --> 00:52:28,691 that haunts an unsolved crime. 929 00:52:31,649 --> 00:52:34,524 Murderers lose their power the moment we know them. 930 00:52:35,732 --> 00:52:40,065 But he, whomever he was, was still out there. 931 00:52:40,148 --> 00:52:43,774 The hollow gap of his identity was violently powerful to me. 932 00:52:45,941 --> 00:52:48,774 But if you commit a brutal crime and then vanish, 933 00:52:49,732 --> 00:52:51,899 what you leave behind isn't just pain, 934 00:52:51,982 --> 00:52:53,357 but absence... 935 00:52:54,107 --> 00:52:56,607 a great supreme blankness 936 00:52:56,691 --> 00:53:00,357 that triumphs, obscenely, it seems to me... 937 00:53:01,399 --> 00:53:03,273 over everything else. 938 00:53:03,357 --> 00:53:07,607 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 939 00:53:21,148 --> 00:53:25,982 ♪ ("9 CRIMES" BY DAMIEN RICE PLAYING) ♪ 940 00:53:34,607 --> 00:53:37,899 ♪ Leave me out with the waste ♪ 941 00:53:37,982 --> 00:53:41,190 ♪ This is not what I do ♪ 942 00:53:41,273 --> 00:53:44,649 ♪ It's the wrong kind of place ♪ 943 00:53:44,732 --> 00:53:47,857 ♪ To be thinking of you ♪ 944 00:53:47,941 --> 00:53:52,107 ♪ It's the wrong time ♪ 945 00:53:52,190 --> 00:53:54,691 ♪ For somebody new ♪ 946 00:53:54,774 --> 00:53:58,857 ♪ It's a small crime ♪ 947 00:53:58,941 --> 00:54:01,774 ♪ And I've got no excuse ♪ 948 00:54:01,857 --> 00:54:04,607 ♪ And is that all right, yeah? ♪ 949 00:54:07,065 --> 00:54:10,357 ♪ Give my gun away When it's loaded ♪ 950 00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,482 ♪ That all right, yeah? ♪ 951 00:54:13,565 --> 00:54:16,524 ♪ If you don't shoot it How am I supposed to hold it? ♪ 952 00:54:16,607 --> 00:54:20,107 ♪ That all right, yeah? 953 00:54:20,190 --> 00:54:24,065 ♪ Give my gun away When it's loaded... ♪ 954 00:54:24,148 --> 00:54:26,857 LIZ GARBUS: You shared so much with us, 955 00:54:26,941 --> 00:54:30,232 so much of her personal writing and thoughts. 956 00:54:30,315 --> 00:54:32,899 Extraordinarily generous. 957 00:54:32,982 --> 00:54:35,440 Is there something that you were looking for in-- in there 958 00:54:35,524 --> 00:54:38,232 that you couldn't look at yourself? 959 00:54:38,315 --> 00:54:41,524 PATTON: There were parts of her that I didn't know about, 960 00:54:41,607 --> 00:54:45,315 and I figured with talking to other friends of hers and... 961 00:54:45,399 --> 00:54:47,649 family members and people that she worked with, 962 00:54:47,732 --> 00:54:49,607 you know, even if you're married to someone, 963 00:54:49,691 --> 00:54:51,440 you don't totally 100 percent know 964 00:54:51,524 --> 00:54:53,399 the other person. 965 00:54:53,482 --> 00:54:54,941 It's not the whole Michelle. 966 00:54:55,023 --> 00:54:56,649 It's parts of her. 967 00:54:58,691 --> 00:55:00,982 I try to tell Alice every single thing I can 968 00:55:01,065 --> 00:55:02,607 about Michelle that I know. 969 00:55:02,691 --> 00:55:04,148 But there's stuff I don't know. 970 00:55:04,232 --> 00:55:06,982 ♪ Is that all right, yeah? 971 00:55:07,065 --> 00:55:10,065 ♪ You don't shoot it How am I supposed to hold it? ♪ 972 00:55:10,148 --> 00:55:12,982 ♪ Is that all right, yeah? 973 00:55:13,065 --> 00:55:16,607 ♪ If I give my gun away When it's loaded ♪ 974 00:55:16,691 --> 00:55:17,941 ♪ Is that all right? ♪ 975 00:55:18,023 --> 00:55:20,941 ♪ Is that all right with you? ♪ 976 00:55:21,774 --> 00:55:24,774 ♪ That all right, yeah? 977 00:55:26,107 --> 00:55:29,148 ♪ If I give my gun away When it's loaded ♪ 978 00:55:29,232 --> 00:55:31,982 ♪ Is that all right, yeah? 979 00:55:32,065 --> 00:55:35,482 ♪ If you don't shoot it How am I supposed to hold it? ♪ 980 00:55:35,565 --> 00:55:38,440 ♪ Is that all right, yeah? ♪ 981 00:55:38,524 --> 00:55:41,482 ♪ If I give my gun away When it's loaded ♪ 982 00:55:41,565 --> 00:55:43,315 ♪ Is that all right? ♪ 983 00:55:43,399 --> 00:55:46,315 ♪ Is that all right with you? ♪ 984 00:55:46,399 --> 00:55:51,357 ♪ Is that all right, yeah? ♪ 985 00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,107 ♪ Give my gun away When it's loaded ♪ 986 00:55:54,190 --> 00:55:57,107 ♪ Is that all right, yeah? ♪ 987 00:55:57,190 --> 00:55:59,899 ♪ If you don't shoot it How am I supposed to hold it? ♪ 988 00:55:59,982 --> 00:56:03,649 ♪ Is that all right, yeah? ♪ 989 00:56:03,732 --> 00:56:06,357 ♪ Give my gun away When it's loaded ♪ 990 00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:08,565 ♪ Is that all right? Is that all right? ♪ 991 00:56:08,649 --> 00:56:11,941 ♪ Is that all right with you? ♪ 992 00:56:12,273 --> 00:56:13,565 ♪ No ♪ 993 00:56:13,649 --> 00:56:17,273 ♪ (MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪ 994 00:56:21,607 --> 00:56:25,899 (WAVES CRASHING) 995 00:56:48,565 --> 00:56:51,857 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 996 00:58:35,899 --> 00:58:38,607 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪