1 00:00:01,690 --> 00:00:03,310 MICHELLE MCNAMARA: When I'm puzzling over the details of an unsolved crime 2 00:00:03,390 --> 00:00:04,980 I'm like a rat in a maze given a task. 3 00:00:05,060 --> 00:00:06,850 I had a murder habit and it was bad. 4 00:00:06,940 --> 00:00:08,850 I would feed it for the rest of my life. 5 00:00:08,940 --> 00:00:10,520 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 6 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:12,810 MAN: Her ultimate dream was always to write books. 7 00:00:13,060 --> 00:00:14,850 MICHELLE: The case that I'm most obsessed with is 8 00:00:14,940 --> 00:00:16,980 a serial offender that raped 50 women 9 00:00:17,060 --> 00:00:19,140 in California and killed ten people. 10 00:00:19,230 --> 00:00:21,060 She also really wanted a child. 11 00:00:21,140 --> 00:00:22,390 MICHELLE: Oh, Alice! 12 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,730 Michelle wanted to get this guy caught. 13 00:00:26,310 --> 00:00:29,440 The story of the victims, it has to be told. 14 00:00:29,890 --> 00:00:32,390 WOMAN: We were awakened by a voice. 15 00:00:32,480 --> 00:00:34,190 WOMAN 2: There he is in his ski mask. 16 00:00:34,270 --> 00:00:36,560 WOMAN 3: He said, "Don't move or I'll kill you. 17 00:00:38,100 --> 00:00:39,850 WOMAN 4: Everyone loves a story about a killer, 18 00:00:39,940 --> 00:00:41,520 but there was nothing new to say yet. 19 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:43,140 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 20 00:01:01,190 --> 00:01:05,310 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 21 00:01:09,310 --> 00:01:11,310 MALE HYPNOTIST: 22 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:27,810 (HEARTBEAT THUMPING) 23 00:01:41,060 --> 00:01:42,270 Now... 24 00:01:47,230 --> 00:01:48,810 LORI: 25 00:01:49,810 --> 00:01:50,980 HYPNOTIST: 26 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:02,890 (LAUGHTER ON TV) 27 00:02:02,980 --> 00:02:05,350 LORI: 28 00:02:07,310 --> 00:02:09,230 HYPNOTIST: 29 00:02:10,270 --> 00:02:11,270 LORI: 30 00:02:11,350 --> 00:02:12,270 HYPNOTIST: 31 00:02:12,350 --> 00:02:13,770 (DOG BARKING) 32 00:02:13,850 --> 00:02:15,190 HYPNOTIST: 33 00:02:17,940 --> 00:02:19,350 LORI: 34 00:02:21,850 --> 00:02:23,190 HYPNOTIST: 35 00:02:24,100 --> 00:02:25,190 LORI: 36 00:02:25,850 --> 00:02:28,270 (HEARTBEAT THUMPING) 37 00:02:28,350 --> 00:02:30,390 HYPNOTIST: 38 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:33,560 LORI: 39 00:02:33,980 --> 00:02:35,020 HYPNOTIST: 40 00:02:35,980 --> 00:02:38,890 LORI: 41 00:02:40,190 --> 00:02:42,020 HYPNOTIST: 42 00:02:42,100 --> 00:02:44,350 (HEART BEATING FASTER) 43 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:45,560 LORI: 44 00:02:46,850 --> 00:02:47,890 HYPNOTIST: 45 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:56,520 LORI: 46 00:02:59,730 --> 00:03:04,560 ♪ ("AVALANCHE" BY AIMEE MANN PLAYING) ♪ 47 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:12,440 ♪ Well I stepped Into an avalanche ♪ 48 00:03:13,890 --> 00:03:16,640 ♪ It covered up my soul ♪ 49 00:03:18,980 --> 00:03:24,020 ♪ When I am not this hunchback That you see ♪ 50 00:03:24,100 --> 00:03:27,600 ♪ I sleep beneath The golden hill ♪ 51 00:03:29,770 --> 00:03:33,690 ♪ You who wish to conquer pain ♪ 52 00:03:33,770 --> 00:03:39,480 ♪ You must learn Learn to serve me well ♪ 53 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:44,480 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 54 00:03:48,100 --> 00:03:49,350 This guy, I think... 55 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:53,440 I guess what I think people underestimate is the... 56 00:03:54,810 --> 00:03:56,890 I hate to use this word, the productivity and the-- 57 00:03:56,980 --> 00:04:00,100 he was so-- this is what he did constantly. 58 00:04:00,190 --> 00:04:01,890 And when you do something over and over again, 59 00:04:01,980 --> 00:04:03,940 you get-- you just get better at it. 60 00:04:04,020 --> 00:04:05,730 And I don't think that that necessarily meant-- 61 00:04:05,810 --> 00:04:08,020 I just don't think he was an evil genius. 62 00:04:08,100 --> 00:04:09,690 -CAMERON CLOUTIER: Right. -I think if you're out 63 00:04:09,770 --> 00:04:11,810 -every night at 3:00 a.m... -CAMERON: Right. 64 00:04:11,890 --> 00:04:14,060 ...trying to break into people's houses, 65 00:04:14,140 --> 00:04:15,940 it's a numbers game. At a certain point, 66 00:04:16,020 --> 00:04:18,100 you're gonna be successful. 67 00:04:20,980 --> 00:04:24,270 ♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 68 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:32,980 PATTON OSWALT: (OVER PHONE) Hey, it's Patton. 69 00:04:33,060 --> 00:04:34,480 Just wanted to call and congratulate you. 70 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:36,270 That is such awesome news. 71 00:04:36,350 --> 00:04:37,520 Oh, you so deserve it. 72 00:04:38,190 --> 00:04:39,850 (HUMMING) 73 00:04:39,940 --> 00:04:41,100 KERA BOLONIK: Hey, Michelle. 74 00:04:41,190 --> 00:04:43,310 I just wanted to say congratulations. 75 00:04:43,390 --> 00:04:45,310 I'm just thrilled for you. 76 00:04:45,390 --> 00:04:47,060 MELANIE BARBEAU: Hey Michelle, It's Mel. 77 00:04:47,140 --> 00:04:48,890 Call me, I'm looking forward to talking to you 78 00:04:48,980 --> 00:04:51,350 about the, um, article. 79 00:04:55,020 --> 00:04:58,100 MICHELLE MCNAMARA: One, one thing that, um, was... 80 00:04:58,190 --> 00:05:00,270 that I was interested in was... 81 00:05:00,350 --> 00:05:01,810 how do you think the East Area Rapist 82 00:05:01,890 --> 00:05:03,980 chose the victims? Because that's the other thing 83 00:05:04,060 --> 00:05:05,770 that's so striking to me about this case, 84 00:05:05,850 --> 00:05:08,600 is that there obviously has to be a high level of surveillance. 85 00:05:08,690 --> 00:05:10,600 -LARRY CROMPTON: Mm-hmm. -MICHELLE: But then there's also 86 00:05:10,690 --> 00:05:12,600 a spontaneity issue because... 87 00:05:12,690 --> 00:05:14,310 So, he had to, like, pick these people, 88 00:05:14,390 --> 00:05:15,810 but then it's also, like, the one time 89 00:05:15,890 --> 00:05:17,480 the husband's called away for two hours. 90 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:19,480 So it's almost like he's omnipresent, 91 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:20,940 and I can't figure that out. 92 00:05:21,020 --> 00:05:22,810 LARRY: Well, a lot of times he would go in 93 00:05:22,890 --> 00:05:25,730 and I think he would pick out a person. 94 00:05:25,810 --> 00:05:27,390 (CASSETTE TAPE REWINDING) 95 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:28,980 LARRY: A lot of times he would go in 96 00:05:29,060 --> 00:05:31,850 and I think he would pick out a person. But-- 97 00:05:31,940 --> 00:05:33,560 So he was going into their house maybe beforehand 98 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:35,020 -when they weren't there? -Yes. Oh, yes. 99 00:05:35,100 --> 00:05:36,730 -MICHELLE: Oh, okay. -LARRY: Yeah. 100 00:05:38,140 --> 00:05:39,190 MICHELLE: The hook for me 101 00:05:39,270 --> 00:05:41,230 was that the case seemed solvable. 102 00:05:43,690 --> 00:05:45,810 He'd left behind so many victims 103 00:05:45,890 --> 00:05:47,730 and abundant clues. 104 00:05:48,850 --> 00:05:51,810 The case dragged me under quickly. 105 00:05:51,890 --> 00:05:55,600 Curiosity turned to clawing hunger. 106 00:05:55,690 --> 00:05:58,850 There were two more victims in January. 107 00:05:58,940 --> 00:06:01,060 A quote by an anonymous sheriff's detective 108 00:06:01,140 --> 00:06:02,190 in the Sacramento Bee 109 00:06:02,270 --> 00:06:05,190 conveyed the brittle weariness setting in. 110 00:06:05,270 --> 00:06:08,600 "It was exactly the same as all the rest." 111 00:06:09,770 --> 00:06:11,100 (PHONE RINGING) 112 00:06:11,190 --> 00:06:13,850 NANCY MILLER: The first draft of Michelle's piece comes in, 113 00:06:13,940 --> 00:06:19,190 and it is one of the most difficult, 114 00:06:19,270 --> 00:06:22,560 disturbing, violent collections 115 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:26,520 of terrible things that happened to people. 116 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:28,520 And I was like, "Oh, shit. 117 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:30,310 This is real." 118 00:06:31,060 --> 00:06:33,140 And then it was like... 119 00:06:33,230 --> 00:06:36,230 an elevator plunging 20,000 stories. 120 00:06:36,310 --> 00:06:39,520 -♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ -(COMPUTER KEYS CLACKING) 121 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:43,060 This is the first paragraph 122 00:06:43,140 --> 00:06:46,600 that just gave me nightmares. 123 00:06:49,940 --> 00:06:51,390 "The first attack 124 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:55,140 in many ways resembled the 49 that followed. 125 00:06:55,230 --> 00:06:57,890 The 23-year-old victim woke to a man 126 00:06:57,980 --> 00:07:00,730 in a navy blue T-shirt and white ski mask 127 00:07:00,810 --> 00:07:03,390 standing in her bedroom doorway. 128 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,730 He wore no pants and was erect. 129 00:07:06,810 --> 00:07:10,390 She thought she was dreaming until he leaped onto her bed. 130 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,940 'If you make one move or sound, 131 00:07:13,020 --> 00:07:15,940 I'll stick this knife in you,' he whispered, 132 00:07:16,020 --> 00:07:19,350 pressing the blade into her right temple." 133 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:20,890 MICHELLE: The unknown offender, 134 00:07:21,020 --> 00:07:23,270 soon dubbed "the East Area Rapist," 135 00:07:23,350 --> 00:07:24,940 would go on to rape and terrorize 136 00:07:25,020 --> 00:07:29,480 Northern California communities for the next three years. 137 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,190 "His habits were unique and disturbing. 138 00:07:32,270 --> 00:07:34,520 He clearly did a great deal of surveillance 139 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:36,690 of his victims and their homes. 140 00:07:36,770 --> 00:07:40,440 He used shoelaces or torn towels as ligatures." 141 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,270 NANCY: "His tenth victim was playing the piano 142 00:07:43,350 --> 00:07:45,140 when he materialized. 143 00:07:45,230 --> 00:07:47,020 He tied her hands behind her back 144 00:07:47,100 --> 00:07:50,730 with shoelaces he'd stolen earlier from her sister's shoes. 145 00:07:50,810 --> 00:07:53,560 He had her masturbate him with hand lotion, 146 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:55,060 a habit of his, 147 00:07:55,140 --> 00:07:58,640 while he quizzed her on her sexual history. 148 00:07:58,730 --> 00:08:00,560 The victim was a virgin. 149 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:02,310 He raped her anyway. 150 00:08:02,390 --> 00:08:04,730 'Oh, isn't this good?' he asked. 151 00:08:04,810 --> 00:08:07,730 He held a knife to her throat until she said yes." 152 00:08:09,350 --> 00:08:10,850 (GROANS) 153 00:08:12,190 --> 00:08:13,980 NANCY: When I was reading the piece, 154 00:08:14,060 --> 00:08:15,890 the number "50" skid past me 155 00:08:15,980 --> 00:08:18,020 the first few times I read that story 156 00:08:18,100 --> 00:08:20,350 because it was like, "Twelve murders. 157 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:21,600 Murders, murders, murders." 158 00:08:21,690 --> 00:08:24,310 And then I stepped back and I was like, "Fifty rapes." 159 00:08:24,390 --> 00:08:27,350 No one wants to talk about that part of the story, really. 160 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,560 The devastation that that had on the community, 161 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:32,230 on partners, in families, 162 00:08:32,310 --> 00:08:34,640 and then made worse by the fact that 163 00:08:34,730 --> 00:08:37,060 we just didn't necessarily have the tools 164 00:08:37,140 --> 00:08:40,730 or the culture to treat the victims 165 00:08:40,810 --> 00:08:43,100 in the way they probably needed at that time. 166 00:08:44,230 --> 00:08:47,350 MIKE BOYD: They range in age from 22 to 35, 167 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:50,140 in color, from black to brown to white. 168 00:08:50,230 --> 00:08:51,440 (MEN TALKING INDISTINCTLY) 169 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:53,850 Joel, convicted of two rapes. 170 00:08:53,940 --> 00:08:56,560 He also told me he'd attacked men. 171 00:08:57,100 --> 00:08:58,100 This is Vic. 172 00:08:58,190 --> 00:09:00,520 He raped, then murdered a woman. 173 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,770 Jim used a gun to beat his victims. 174 00:09:03,850 --> 00:09:05,850 RICHARD SHELBY: In the '70s in Sacramento, 175 00:09:05,940 --> 00:09:08,270 there seemed to be a center for the real wackos. 176 00:09:08,350 --> 00:09:09,520 It really did. 177 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,940 You had all kinds of rapists. 178 00:09:13,020 --> 00:09:17,440 The Early Bird Rapist, who started about '68 or '70, 179 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,020 he did 41, I think it was, 180 00:09:20,100 --> 00:09:21,390 rapes, in the homes. 181 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:23,390 That never made much in the way of news. 182 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:24,520 The Stinky Rapist. 183 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:26,770 He did many, many rapes in Berkeley. 184 00:09:26,850 --> 00:09:28,690 And they thought they knew who he was, 185 00:09:28,770 --> 00:09:30,100 but the DA wouldn't file. 186 00:09:30,190 --> 00:09:33,690 And he moved to Oakland, where he continued raping 187 00:09:33,770 --> 00:09:35,270 and was never caught. 188 00:09:35,350 --> 00:09:37,060 You had the Car Key Rapist. 189 00:09:37,140 --> 00:09:39,390 He would rape the lady in the car, 190 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,060 and then he would take off with the key. 191 00:09:42,140 --> 00:09:45,270 And, uh, you had the Pillowcase Rapist. 192 00:09:45,350 --> 00:09:48,980 These were very, very active rapists. 193 00:09:49,060 --> 00:09:51,730 There were about 15 that I come up with, 194 00:09:51,810 --> 00:09:55,350 where they were raping 30, 40, 50 people. 195 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,230 Rape in the '70s was... 196 00:09:58,310 --> 00:10:00,980 a crime like a simple assault. 197 00:10:01,060 --> 00:10:03,560 It was not considered a big deal. 198 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,270 The sentence for, um, uh... 199 00:10:06,350 --> 00:10:08,940 raping somebody could be 30 days, 200 00:10:09,020 --> 00:10:10,770 could be 90 days, you'd get probation. 201 00:10:10,850 --> 00:10:14,440 There was no real, uh, crime statute 202 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:15,730 for sexual assault, 203 00:10:15,810 --> 00:10:20,100 and so, um, I think when these crimes began, 204 00:10:20,190 --> 00:10:23,140 um, you know, you looked at the way women were treated. 205 00:10:23,230 --> 00:10:25,890 The sex offender today has a greater number 206 00:10:25,980 --> 00:10:28,020 of available women to choose from. 207 00:10:28,100 --> 00:10:31,980 There are more working women, single women living alone, 208 00:10:32,060 --> 00:10:34,480 not with their families or with men. 209 00:10:34,560 --> 00:10:36,270 SECOND ACTOR: Because of the mobility 210 00:10:36,350 --> 00:10:37,770 and the visibility of today's woman, 211 00:10:37,850 --> 00:10:39,850 she must learn to understand the rapist. 212 00:10:39,940 --> 00:10:42,770 For today's woman to understand the rapist, 213 00:10:42,850 --> 00:10:44,850 she's gotta learn to understand the man. 214 00:10:44,940 --> 00:10:46,940 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 215 00:10:47,020 --> 00:10:48,980 MELANIE: Of course, women didn't talk about it 216 00:10:49,060 --> 00:10:50,690 because of the way they were treated 217 00:10:50,770 --> 00:10:52,480 when they did talk about it, 218 00:10:52,560 --> 00:10:54,020 and oftentimes blamed 219 00:10:54,100 --> 00:10:56,230 for what did they do that was inappropriate 220 00:10:56,310 --> 00:10:58,190 or what, you know, what were they wearing? 221 00:10:58,270 --> 00:10:59,480 How were they walking? 222 00:10:59,560 --> 00:11:01,560 You know, did they do something 223 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:03,520 that would've brought that kind of attention 224 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:05,100 against their will? 225 00:11:05,190 --> 00:11:08,100 FEMALE NARRATOR 1: The young girl made one bad move after another. 226 00:11:08,190 --> 00:11:09,980 Her attitude was much too inviting. 227 00:11:10,060 --> 00:11:13,440 She should never have stopped to window shop at night. 228 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,850 She parked in a dark section of the parking lot 229 00:11:15,940 --> 00:11:18,190 and didn't have her keys ready in her hand. 230 00:11:18,270 --> 00:11:20,560 (SCREAMING) 231 00:11:27,270 --> 00:11:29,230 CAMERON: So, uh, Michelle... 232 00:11:29,310 --> 00:11:32,100 how did you become interested in true crime? 233 00:11:32,190 --> 00:11:34,440 You know, how old were you when you first got into it? 234 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:38,520 I got interested in true crime, um, because when I was 14, 235 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:40,980 uh, living outside of Chicago, 236 00:11:41,060 --> 00:11:43,060 a neighbor of mine was murdered. 237 00:11:43,140 --> 00:11:46,690 Um, and it-- it was, it's still unsolved. 238 00:11:46,770 --> 00:11:48,140 Her name was Kathy Lombardo. 239 00:11:48,230 --> 00:11:50,020 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 240 00:11:50,100 --> 00:11:53,600 I grew up in Oak Park, Illinois, which is outside Chicago. 241 00:11:53,690 --> 00:11:56,270 It was just a laid-back residential area 242 00:11:56,350 --> 00:11:58,810 and it really kind of shocked our town. 243 00:11:58,890 --> 00:12:01,140 And it was-- it was headline news, for sure. 244 00:12:01,230 --> 00:12:03,690 MALE REPORTER 1: Kathy Lombardo grew up in this neighborhood. 245 00:12:03,770 --> 00:12:05,020 She felt safe here. 246 00:12:05,100 --> 00:12:07,480 So she could be found just about every night of the week 247 00:12:07,560 --> 00:12:09,850 walking briskly through these streets and alleys, 248 00:12:09,940 --> 00:12:13,730 always alone, always wearing her stereo headphones 249 00:12:13,810 --> 00:12:16,060 with the music turned up full blast. 250 00:12:16,140 --> 00:12:19,310 Last night, somebody grabbed the 24-year-old Oak Park woman 251 00:12:19,390 --> 00:12:21,230 in an alley, probably from behind, 252 00:12:21,310 --> 00:12:23,690 stabbed her in the heart, and slashed her throat. 253 00:12:23,770 --> 00:12:26,810 Police say she was probably sexually attacked as well. 254 00:12:26,890 --> 00:12:29,350 She was found just after 10:00 by two youths, 255 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:31,020 who called a neighbor to the scene. 256 00:12:31,100 --> 00:12:33,560 I got there and went to reach down 257 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:39,730 to check her carotid pulse, and her throat was slit open. 258 00:12:39,810 --> 00:12:43,980 Uh, she was turning pale fast and, uh... 259 00:12:45,310 --> 00:12:46,730 couple pumps, you know, 260 00:12:46,810 --> 00:12:48,640 a couple more pumps from her throat, 261 00:12:48,730 --> 00:12:50,640 and she was dead. 262 00:12:51,810 --> 00:12:53,270 MICHELLE: I don't think, up until that point, 263 00:12:53,350 --> 00:12:55,980 I had been interested in murder at all. 264 00:12:56,060 --> 00:12:57,640 I was just very gripped by this story 265 00:12:57,730 --> 00:13:00,060 and very shocked by it and very, um, obsessed 266 00:13:00,140 --> 00:13:02,980 with kind of the blankness of this person's face. 267 00:13:03,060 --> 00:13:05,190 That we didn't know who may be, like, 268 00:13:05,270 --> 00:13:07,350 slinking by us covered in blood. 269 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,890 I mean, it just seemed so unbelievable to me 270 00:13:09,980 --> 00:13:13,770 that someone among us was a cold-blooded killer 271 00:13:13,850 --> 00:13:15,770 who had cut this woman's throat. 272 00:13:15,850 --> 00:13:18,810 MALE REPORTER 1: Today, police scoured the alley where the murder took place 273 00:13:18,890 --> 00:13:20,600 and found the blade of the kitchen knife 274 00:13:20,690 --> 00:13:22,600 they think was used to kill the young woman. 275 00:13:22,690 --> 00:13:24,440 They're still searching for the handle, 276 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:25,560 which was broken off. 277 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:27,230 What happened to her is wrong. 278 00:13:27,310 --> 00:13:29,480 It could happen to you or me or anyone. 279 00:13:31,850 --> 00:13:34,270 MICHELLE: I remember walking to the place 280 00:13:34,350 --> 00:13:36,390 where I knew she had been killed and... 281 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,770 um, finding kinda these shattered pieces of Walkman 282 00:13:39,850 --> 00:13:42,940 that were still there and kinda picking them up. 283 00:13:43,020 --> 00:13:45,020 I didn't go as far as to talk to, 284 00:13:45,100 --> 00:13:46,480 you know, the police or anything like that, 285 00:13:46,560 --> 00:13:48,140 but I was definitely very curious 286 00:13:48,230 --> 00:13:51,060 about the different elements of the crime 287 00:13:51,140 --> 00:13:54,270 and how it had happened and who this guy could be. 288 00:13:54,940 --> 00:13:56,560 Was he someone we knew? 289 00:13:58,230 --> 00:14:00,270 Everyone moved on, and I couldn't. 290 00:14:02,890 --> 00:14:05,350 -From, like, '75 to '84... -LARRY: Yeah. 291 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:07,810 MICHELLE: ...there were so many serial offenders 292 00:14:07,890 --> 00:14:09,440 operating at the same time. It blows my mind. 293 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:11,480 -LARRY: Yeah, yeah. -MICHELLE: I don't know why that was, 294 00:14:11,560 --> 00:14:14,270 -but there was a ton of that. -LARRY: I don't either. 295 00:14:14,350 --> 00:14:18,350 The East Area Rapist was not the most active. 296 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:22,520 He was the most violent, from what we knew. 297 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:26,230 He would break into the homes while they were sleeping. 298 00:14:29,270 --> 00:14:32,940 The sex was not... his thing. 299 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,890 The terror that he put in 'em was the thing. 300 00:14:40,980 --> 00:14:42,600 CAROL DALY: Now, one of the big questions 301 00:14:42,690 --> 00:14:44,640 that was asked here last night, 302 00:14:44,730 --> 00:14:47,020 "If we have a gun, could we shoot him?" 303 00:14:47,100 --> 00:14:48,980 Knowing what I know about this man, 304 00:14:49,060 --> 00:14:51,850 if I had a gun, I definitely would shoot him. 305 00:14:51,940 --> 00:14:53,350 And I would not shoot to injure. 306 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:55,730 I would shoot to take care of him. 307 00:14:55,810 --> 00:14:57,850 There are two things known about the rapist 308 00:14:57,940 --> 00:15:00,230 currently terrorizing Sacramento. 309 00:15:00,310 --> 00:15:02,640 One is he has never been caught in a home 310 00:15:02,730 --> 00:15:04,520 where there was a man present. 311 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,890 The other is he's never been in a home 312 00:15:07,980 --> 00:15:10,190 where there has been a big dog. 313 00:15:11,810 --> 00:15:15,230 MELANIE: '77 became a time where the East Area Rapist 314 00:15:15,310 --> 00:15:17,980 -began attacking couples. -MICHELLE: And why do you think 315 00:15:18,060 --> 00:15:20,850 he did-- he started to do couples? 316 00:15:20,940 --> 00:15:24,020 LARRY: I really do think it was because of the news media. 317 00:15:24,100 --> 00:15:25,060 MICHELLE: Yeah. 318 00:15:25,140 --> 00:15:28,560 The first 15 rapes in the Sacramento area 319 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:30,560 were lone women. 320 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,560 The newspaper printed that he'd never hit a place 321 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:35,310 with a man in the house. 322 00:15:35,940 --> 00:15:37,890 And after that... 323 00:15:37,980 --> 00:15:39,690 there was a man in the house. 324 00:15:39,770 --> 00:15:41,730 -MICHELLE: So he was aware of that? -LARRY: Yeah. 325 00:15:41,810 --> 00:15:43,980 MICHELLE: And-- and that would go to the game playing part of it? 326 00:15:44,060 --> 00:15:45,480 -LARRY: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. -MICHELLE: Mm-hmm. 327 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,890 Absolutely, he was watching the media with everything. 328 00:15:48,980 --> 00:15:51,940 And as soon as the newspaper would say, "This didn't happen," 329 00:15:52,020 --> 00:15:53,140 it would happen. 330 00:15:53,230 --> 00:15:55,690 Everything became a challenge to him. 331 00:15:56,850 --> 00:15:59,140 KRIS PEDRETTI: I didn't have a lot of exposure 332 00:15:59,230 --> 00:16:01,690 to what was happening, um... 333 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:04,100 I didn't see the newspaper. 334 00:16:04,190 --> 00:16:07,230 I don't remember hearing it on the news. 335 00:16:07,310 --> 00:16:09,440 In the weeks leading up to the attack, 336 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:10,690 we had... 337 00:16:10,770 --> 00:16:12,730 hang-up calls. 338 00:16:12,810 --> 00:16:15,270 Uh, I believe three, four a day. 339 00:16:15,350 --> 00:16:16,940 We would have them. 340 00:16:17,020 --> 00:16:18,190 Um... 341 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:21,600 but it didn't... 342 00:16:21,690 --> 00:16:25,560 it didn't register to me. I was 15. 343 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:28,480 Maybe it was a boy that liked me. 344 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:30,140 You know, I didn't... 345 00:16:30,230 --> 00:16:33,100 I really didn't have any... 346 00:16:33,770 --> 00:16:35,100 I'll say it this way. 347 00:16:35,190 --> 00:16:37,270 I didn't have any reason to be fearful 348 00:16:37,350 --> 00:16:39,350 because I lived in a safe world. 349 00:16:41,060 --> 00:16:43,100 MALE REPORTER 2: Residents of the East Area 350 00:16:43,190 --> 00:16:45,560 are locking themselves inside their houses 351 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:46,980 as never before. 352 00:16:47,060 --> 00:16:49,480 Locks have sold so quickly in the community, 353 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:53,100 stores have had trouble keeping up with the demand. 354 00:16:53,190 --> 00:16:55,140 LINDA O'DELL: I wasn't scared at the time. 355 00:16:55,230 --> 00:16:57,560 I didn't know about a lot of it going on. 356 00:16:57,640 --> 00:16:59,190 I wasn't reading the paper. 357 00:16:59,270 --> 00:17:01,310 Um, yes, it was in the news. 358 00:17:01,390 --> 00:17:04,060 The one indication we got was... 359 00:17:04,140 --> 00:17:05,980 my husband and I came home, 360 00:17:06,060 --> 00:17:07,440 and the kids in the neighborhood 361 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:09,060 come running up to us and they said, 362 00:17:09,140 --> 00:17:11,940 "We're playing this game and I was on somebody's back 363 00:17:12,020 --> 00:17:15,060 and we saw a man run out of your yard." 364 00:17:15,140 --> 00:17:16,480 We were like, "What?" 365 00:17:17,770 --> 00:17:20,690 So we went, we got deadbolts, where you put the key in 366 00:17:20,770 --> 00:17:23,480 for the front door and the garage door. 367 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:25,350 We put this nail at the top 368 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,810 so you could lock the slider and it can't go. 369 00:17:28,890 --> 00:17:31,230 And he had cased the place, 370 00:17:31,310 --> 00:17:34,600 he knew to lift the glass up out of the back window. 371 00:17:36,100 --> 00:17:39,640 (CRICKETS CHIRPING) 372 00:17:41,390 --> 00:17:42,980 LINDA: It was a Friday night, 373 00:17:43,060 --> 00:17:47,230 it was probably after 1:00, closer to 2:00. 374 00:17:47,310 --> 00:17:51,020 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 375 00:17:51,100 --> 00:17:53,190 Door opens, flashlight. 376 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:55,850 Mumbling. 377 00:17:56,770 --> 00:17:58,520 Uh, "I have a gun." 378 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:00,560 And I'm still thinking... 379 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:03,310 "Am I dreaming? Am I-- Is this really happening?" 380 00:18:07,190 --> 00:18:10,140 And before I knew it, he threw some ties at me 381 00:18:10,230 --> 00:18:12,730 and he says, "Tie your husband up." 382 00:18:12,810 --> 00:18:16,100 And so, he asked him to flip over onto his stomach 383 00:18:16,190 --> 00:18:19,980 and hogtied him and I did, and I didn't tie him tight. 384 00:18:20,060 --> 00:18:23,230 And then he tied me behind my back, 385 00:18:23,310 --> 00:18:26,270 on my stomach, and my ankles hogtied, 386 00:18:26,350 --> 00:18:28,770 and I remember turning my jewelry around, 387 00:18:28,850 --> 00:18:31,350 I'm thinkin' it's gonna be a robbery. 388 00:18:32,940 --> 00:18:37,020 And so, then he re-tied my husband twice as tight. 389 00:18:37,100 --> 00:18:38,730 And then he leaves the room. 390 00:18:40,190 --> 00:18:41,940 We're kind of whispering to each other, 391 00:18:42,020 --> 00:18:44,310 we're like, "What's going on?" 392 00:18:44,390 --> 00:18:46,640 He had a ski mask on the whole time. 393 00:18:48,770 --> 00:18:51,140 He's just walkin' around the house like he owns it. 394 00:18:51,230 --> 00:18:53,850 I could hear him open the refrigerator. 395 00:18:53,940 --> 00:18:56,690 He gets a beer, and he's drinkin' a beer. 396 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:00,020 He grabbed dishes. 397 00:19:00,100 --> 00:19:02,020 He grabbed plates and bowls 398 00:19:02,100 --> 00:19:04,270 and he put them on my husband's back. 399 00:19:04,350 --> 00:19:07,190 And he told him if he heard those bowls moving, 400 00:19:07,270 --> 00:19:09,480 he was gonna cut his ear off. 401 00:19:14,100 --> 00:19:19,140 He put a blindfold over me and he said, "Follow me." 402 00:19:19,230 --> 00:19:21,230 I'm going down the hallway, 403 00:19:21,310 --> 00:19:23,230 and I remember staying close to the side, 404 00:19:23,310 --> 00:19:26,060 I'm thinking, "I don't want him to see my body." 405 00:19:26,140 --> 00:19:29,270 And I went, "Oh, my God, I'm gonna be raped." 406 00:19:32,810 --> 00:19:34,850 He took me into the family room, 407 00:19:34,940 --> 00:19:37,440 and he tells me to lay on the floor. 408 00:19:38,730 --> 00:19:41,810 He goes into the guest bedroom and he got a towel 409 00:19:41,890 --> 00:19:44,640 and he rips it in half and he puts it over the TV, 410 00:19:44,730 --> 00:19:47,770 but then he puts the TV on so that there's light coming in, 411 00:19:47,850 --> 00:19:49,140 but not too much. 412 00:19:49,230 --> 00:19:53,440 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 413 00:19:55,390 --> 00:19:57,520 As he was raping me, I had a knife to my throat, 414 00:19:57,600 --> 00:19:59,390 pushed up against my neck. 415 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,980 And I just kept saying, "Oh, please don't hurt me. 416 00:20:02,060 --> 00:20:03,230 Please don't hurt me." 417 00:20:03,310 --> 00:20:04,520 And I didn't hardly move, 418 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,440 I was like, I'm going to stay as still as possible. 419 00:20:10,730 --> 00:20:12,730 He was in the house for a while. 420 00:20:12,810 --> 00:20:14,600 He drank another beer. 421 00:20:14,690 --> 00:20:16,520 I-- I could smell that. 422 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:18,690 He asked for where my wallet was. 423 00:20:18,770 --> 00:20:21,690 He was going through, taking things out. 424 00:20:21,770 --> 00:20:24,100 He came back and he says, "Take off your jewelry," 425 00:20:24,190 --> 00:20:25,810 and I couldn't get it off my hand. 426 00:20:25,890 --> 00:20:28,310 And he says, "I'll cut your finger off, 427 00:20:28,390 --> 00:20:30,190 I don't care. I want your jewelry." 428 00:20:30,270 --> 00:20:32,940 And so I said, "Get some lotion or get some soap." 429 00:20:33,020 --> 00:20:35,190 So he went and got me some lotion, 430 00:20:35,270 --> 00:20:39,980 and I took off my wedding band and my engagement ring. 431 00:20:40,060 --> 00:20:42,640 And I remember being cold on the floor. 432 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,190 Finally, it seemed quiet. 433 00:20:51,270 --> 00:20:55,270 So I got up and I'm still tied, and I go into the bedroom 434 00:20:55,350 --> 00:20:58,480 and I talk to my husband and I ask him how he's doing 435 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:00,730 and he's like, "Oh, you've just got to get help. 436 00:21:00,810 --> 00:21:03,060 I-- I can't feel my hands. They're totally numb. 437 00:21:03,140 --> 00:21:05,730 I have no circulation." 438 00:21:05,810 --> 00:21:08,730 And I'm thinking, "How do I get out of this house?" 439 00:21:08,810 --> 00:21:12,100 So I go into the kitchen and I'm trying to get the... 440 00:21:12,190 --> 00:21:14,440 the restraints off me, and I'm trying to cut 'em 441 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,270 and I'm trying to saw 'em, and it-- 442 00:21:16,350 --> 00:21:17,890 and I-- and I'm also thinking, 443 00:21:17,980 --> 00:21:20,230 "Oh, God, is he gonna come back in the house? 444 00:21:20,310 --> 00:21:22,640 Is he really gone or is he hiding?" 445 00:21:22,730 --> 00:21:27,020 So, all of a sudden, the family room drapes moved. 446 00:21:28,270 --> 00:21:29,850 A breeze came in. 447 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:32,440 So I ran over 448 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,520 and I put my shoulder and I moved the sliding door. 449 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:39,690 And I went along the concrete up to the front gate, 450 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:41,810 I moved the gate. 451 00:21:41,890 --> 00:21:44,060 I'm totally naked from the waist down. 452 00:21:44,140 --> 00:21:46,140 I-- Just my breasts are being covered. 453 00:21:46,230 --> 00:21:47,850 And I went to a neighbor's house. 454 00:21:47,940 --> 00:21:50,640 (DOG BARKING) 455 00:21:50,730 --> 00:21:52,560 And I ring the doorbell. 456 00:21:55,850 --> 00:21:58,100 They're looking at me and the husband comes down 457 00:21:58,190 --> 00:22:00,350 and he sees that I'm, you know, naked, 458 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,600 and he grabs his wife's jacket, puts it on me, 459 00:22:03,690 --> 00:22:05,390 and I said, "I've just been raped. 460 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,020 And my husband's tied up." 461 00:22:09,060 --> 00:22:10,140 He got a gun, 462 00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:12,560 he told his wife to call the police, 463 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:13,940 "Stay here." 464 00:22:15,190 --> 00:22:17,730 And then I waited for the police to come. 465 00:22:17,810 --> 00:22:21,640 And they came, they took me back to the house. 466 00:22:21,730 --> 00:22:24,060 Carol Daly was a female detective 467 00:22:24,140 --> 00:22:27,440 who I was so grateful that she was there at that time. 468 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,140 Everybody else was men, 469 00:22:29,230 --> 00:22:30,980 and she was the only woman in the group. 470 00:22:31,060 --> 00:22:33,100 And that was-- that was a nice feeling. 471 00:22:33,190 --> 00:22:34,810 We have information that he... 472 00:22:34,890 --> 00:22:36,770 LINDA: She got me to the hospital. 473 00:22:36,850 --> 00:22:38,640 And she said, "You're okay, honey." 474 00:22:38,730 --> 00:22:40,270 She said, "I think you're in shock." 475 00:22:40,350 --> 00:22:41,980 So she's kind of, like, being a mother to me. 476 00:22:42,060 --> 00:22:44,100 She says, "You take as much time," 477 00:22:44,190 --> 00:22:47,350 and we talked about it. Went back home. 478 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,520 Basically, I went in and I said to my husband, 479 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:50,890 "Do you wanna-- do you wanna hear-- 480 00:22:50,980 --> 00:22:53,350 know what happened?" He goes, "I know what happened." 481 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,230 And he said, "I don't want to talk about it." 482 00:22:55,310 --> 00:22:57,270 He said, "I got rid of your pajamas 483 00:22:57,350 --> 00:22:59,520 and you don't have to see those anymore." 484 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:00,940 And I said, "Okay." 485 00:23:02,270 --> 00:23:05,390 I don't think a lot of men knew how to deal with it, 486 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,270 to be honest. 487 00:23:07,350 --> 00:23:09,520 I don't think-- I don't-- 488 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,640 I know that he cared and he felt terrible, 489 00:23:12,730 --> 00:23:15,850 but I don't think he wanted to relive it either. 490 00:23:15,940 --> 00:23:17,890 He's basically, "We don't talk about it. 491 00:23:17,980 --> 00:23:19,440 It's gone away." 492 00:23:21,310 --> 00:23:24,230 MICHELLE: I think this kind of crime was just... 493 00:23:24,310 --> 00:23:26,100 very ripe for the '70s 494 00:23:26,190 --> 00:23:28,890 because there's, um... 495 00:23:28,980 --> 00:23:30,890 How many people did not call the police 496 00:23:30,980 --> 00:23:32,810 who saw something suspicious is crazy. 497 00:23:32,890 --> 00:23:34,890 And that would not happen today. 498 00:23:34,980 --> 00:23:36,730 Had you had anybody-- 499 00:23:36,810 --> 00:23:38,560 any neighbors mention anybody weird 500 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,230 around the neighborhood or anything like that? 501 00:23:40,310 --> 00:23:42,270 -Do you remember? -FIONA WILLIAMS: No. 502 00:23:42,350 --> 00:23:44,390 We were very aware of it. 503 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,480 But it was in East Sacramento. 504 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:51,770 So we were sympathetic to-- but not alarmed 505 00:23:51,850 --> 00:23:54,440 because we're not his side of town. 506 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,690 You know he picked us partly for the location of the house. 507 00:23:57,770 --> 00:23:59,980 -MICHELLE: Mm-hmm. -FIONA: Right by the freeway, 508 00:24:00,060 --> 00:24:02,600 -empty lot behind us. -MICHELLE: Empty field, right. 509 00:24:02,690 --> 00:24:03,810 FIONA: All of that. 510 00:24:03,890 --> 00:24:08,060 And of course, they asked us about strange cars... 511 00:24:08,140 --> 00:24:10,560 MICHELLE: I mean, so when-- when-- Did you have-- 512 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,480 did you feel in your heart when this is happening 513 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:14,810 this was a stranger? 514 00:24:14,890 --> 00:24:17,190 That this was not someone that you knew? 515 00:24:17,270 --> 00:24:19,060 -FIONA: Oh, yeah. -MICHELLE: You did? 516 00:24:19,140 --> 00:24:20,940 You thought, "This is the East Area Rapist." 517 00:24:21,020 --> 00:24:22,730 -FIONA: Which makes me-- Yeah. -MICHELLE: Yeah. 518 00:24:24,060 --> 00:24:26,270 I knew it was the guy then. 519 00:24:26,350 --> 00:24:30,190 I mean, by that time, this was attack 22. 520 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,600 My husband and I, we were in our bedroom. 521 00:24:36,690 --> 00:24:39,600 We were starting to fool around, 522 00:24:39,690 --> 00:24:42,810 -we hear a scratching. -MICHELLE: Right. 523 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,810 The EAR was a man of few words, 524 00:24:47,890 --> 00:24:51,980 and mostly the same, as I would come to read, 525 00:24:52,060 --> 00:24:53,270 over time. 526 00:24:53,350 --> 00:24:55,560 He did indeed have a script. 527 00:24:56,850 --> 00:25:01,560 What he said to us and mostly routinely was, 528 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,940 "I just want money and food, and then I'll be gone." 529 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:15,520 My son was three years old. 530 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:21,270 He woke up as I was being blindfold-led down the hall. 531 00:25:22,940 --> 00:25:26,270 EAR told him to get back in his room. 532 00:25:29,940 --> 00:25:33,600 When he took me into the living room for the assault, 533 00:25:33,690 --> 00:25:35,890 I remember saying to him, 534 00:25:35,980 --> 00:25:38,020 "Why are you doing this?" 535 00:25:38,100 --> 00:25:39,980 And he said, "Shut up." 536 00:25:40,060 --> 00:25:43,520 And I said, "I'm sorry." (LAUGHS) 537 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,440 This is... 538 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,520 This is how women were in the '70s and the olden times. 539 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,520 I said, "I'm sorry." And he said, "Shut up," again. 540 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,600 And that was the longest conversation I had with him, 541 00:25:54,690 --> 00:25:59,640 except at the end when he gave me the instructions about 542 00:25:59,730 --> 00:26:03,480 you know, tell the pigs I have television. 543 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,600 MICHELLE: Wow. God. 544 00:26:07,980 --> 00:26:10,730 He didn't want it to be on TV 545 00:26:10,810 --> 00:26:13,810 and if it was on TV, he'd kill two people, 546 00:26:13,890 --> 00:26:16,390 but then I believe he told my husband 547 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,020 it had to be on TV. 548 00:26:18,100 --> 00:26:24,060 He was constantly playing these silly games with people. 549 00:26:24,140 --> 00:26:29,690 He had told the victims of the attack just before us 550 00:26:29,770 --> 00:26:32,390 that he was going to kill the next two people, 551 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,640 which would have been us. 552 00:26:37,810 --> 00:26:40,890 Sometime after the attack, my husband managed 553 00:26:40,980 --> 00:26:43,810 to get our phone re-connected in the bedroom, 554 00:26:43,890 --> 00:26:46,520 that was on the nightstand, and he called-- 555 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,640 in those days, you still called the operator. 556 00:26:49,270 --> 00:26:51,730 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 557 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,560 Of course, uniformed officers came first. 558 00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,310 When I could see again, 559 00:26:59,390 --> 00:27:02,440 when the uniformed officer took off... 560 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:06,100 one of the first things I saw was that on my formal couch, 561 00:27:06,190 --> 00:27:10,690 the EAR had laid out three or four of my dresses. 562 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,100 And I do mean laid out. 563 00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:15,810 Not vandalized or thrown about. 564 00:27:15,890 --> 00:27:17,600 They were just laying there. 565 00:27:17,690 --> 00:27:21,230 And I remember very vividly because I was so surprised, 566 00:27:21,310 --> 00:27:23,850 I was not expecting to see that. 567 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:26,940 I said to the officer, 568 00:27:27,020 --> 00:27:30,230 "The East Area Rapist is now the South Area Rapist." 569 00:27:33,940 --> 00:27:35,980 CAROL THORPE: The worst thing is not knowing. 570 00:27:36,060 --> 00:27:38,730 Not knowing when the rapist will strike again. 571 00:27:38,810 --> 00:27:41,190 Not knowing if you'll be his next victim. 572 00:27:41,270 --> 00:27:44,100 All you can do is take every possible precaution 573 00:27:44,190 --> 00:27:46,190 and then hope that he gets caught 574 00:27:46,270 --> 00:27:47,640 before he gets to you. 575 00:27:47,730 --> 00:27:50,980 I'm sleeping with my husband's hunting knife under the pillow. 576 00:27:51,060 --> 00:27:53,190 We don't go to sleep very well at night. 577 00:27:53,270 --> 00:27:54,770 We go around and lock everything up 578 00:27:54,850 --> 00:27:56,310 as tightly as we can. 579 00:27:56,390 --> 00:27:58,690 As of tonight, the East Area Rapist 580 00:27:58,770 --> 00:28:01,310 has struck on the average once every two weeks, 581 00:28:01,390 --> 00:28:03,810 sometimes every two days, sometimes a week apart, 582 00:28:03,890 --> 00:28:05,810 sometimes three or four weeks apart. 583 00:28:05,890 --> 00:28:08,060 Everybody in Sacramento was terrified. 584 00:28:08,140 --> 00:28:10,480 MALE REPORTER 2: Each night, they patrol the neighborhoods 585 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,810 of Sacramento County's east side, 586 00:28:12,890 --> 00:28:16,600 and hundreds of other volunteers reportedly are doing the same. 587 00:28:16,690 --> 00:28:19,350 They call themselves the EARS Patrol. 588 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,600 "EARS," short for East Area Rapist Surveillance. 589 00:28:22,690 --> 00:28:24,600 THORPE: People complain that after all this time, 590 00:28:24,690 --> 00:28:27,350 the police should've been able to catch the East Area Rapist. 591 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:28,480 I think that the reason 592 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,190 there hasn't been something done about it 593 00:28:30,270 --> 00:28:32,390 is because it's a crime against women. 594 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:36,600 We had officers off duty on their own time 595 00:28:36,690 --> 00:28:38,850 going out and working the streets. 596 00:28:38,940 --> 00:28:42,230 It's the first time the so-called East Area Rapist has struck here 597 00:28:42,310 --> 00:28:44,730 in the Foothill Farms area of Sacramento. 598 00:28:44,810 --> 00:28:48,230 -One in Stockton. The total: 25. -(ALARM BLARING) 599 00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:50,440 MALE REPORTER 3: Local burglar alarm distributors 600 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,390 report a run on alarm systems. 601 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,310 I don't like it. It's getting too close to home. 602 00:28:54,390 --> 00:28:56,520 We were giving safety classes for women, 603 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,390 how to protect themselves, what to look for. 604 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,390 CHET HANCOCK: It was about 10:00 last night 605 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,350 when the rapist kicked in the door. 606 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:03,690 She becomes the eighth teenager 607 00:29:03,770 --> 00:29:05,850 on the list of some 33 victims. 608 00:29:05,940 --> 00:29:08,190 The 39th attack of the East Area Rapist 609 00:29:08,270 --> 00:29:10,940 took place in this very nice middle-class neighborhood. 610 00:29:11,020 --> 00:29:12,890 MELANIE: There were days where I didn't go to sleep 611 00:29:12,980 --> 00:29:14,230 until the sun rose. 612 00:29:14,310 --> 00:29:16,560 We had tambourines on the windows and doors 613 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,730 so we could hear people enter. 614 00:29:18,810 --> 00:29:20,730 Ideally speaking, the potential victim 615 00:29:20,810 --> 00:29:24,230 is supposed to ward off her attacker with this device. 616 00:29:24,310 --> 00:29:28,190 It just was an insane time in Sacramento. 617 00:29:28,270 --> 00:29:29,560 The attacks, two of them, 618 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,850 one last Saturday, and then again early today, 619 00:29:31,940 --> 00:29:33,560 occurred within a few blocks of each other 620 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,140 in the Ignacio Valley area of Concord. 621 00:29:35,230 --> 00:29:37,230 -(OVERLAPPING CHATTER) -REPORTER 1: ...happening in Fremont... 622 00:29:37,310 --> 00:29:39,140 -REPORTER 2: ...in Modesto... -REPORTER 3: ...her home in Contra Costa County. 623 00:29:39,230 --> 00:29:41,440 FEMALE REPORTER: The only thing we really know about the East Area Rapist 624 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:42,770 is that he's a pro. 625 00:29:42,850 --> 00:29:45,270 He's been at this for four years now 626 00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:48,730 and still nobody even knows what he looks like. 627 00:29:57,270 --> 00:29:58,520 MICHELLE: Alice? 628 00:30:01,690 --> 00:30:04,190 Alice, will you do an imitation of Daddy? 629 00:30:09,020 --> 00:30:11,060 I have a nightly ritual with Alice, 630 00:30:11,140 --> 00:30:13,560 who is a troubled sleeper. 631 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,810 (COMPUTER KEYS CLACKING) 632 00:30:17,020 --> 00:30:19,310 Every night before falling asleep, 633 00:30:19,390 --> 00:30:21,810 she'll call out for me to come into her bedroom. 634 00:30:21,890 --> 00:30:24,690 "I don't want to have a dream," she says. 635 00:30:24,770 --> 00:30:28,560 I brush her sandy hair back and put my hand on her forehead, 636 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,730 and look straight into her big brown eyes. 637 00:30:31,810 --> 00:30:34,100 "You are not going to have a dream," 638 00:30:34,190 --> 00:30:37,600 I tell her with crisp, confident enunciation. 639 00:30:37,690 --> 00:30:41,560 Her body releases its tension, and she goes to sleep. 640 00:30:42,310 --> 00:30:44,770 (READS) 641 00:30:49,390 --> 00:30:52,600 We make well-intentioned promises of protection 642 00:30:52,690 --> 00:30:53,980 we can't always keep. 643 00:30:54,060 --> 00:30:56,850 -"I'll look out for you." -WOMAN 1: (SCREAMING) No! 644 00:30:56,940 --> 00:30:58,600 MICHELLE: But then you hear a scream, 645 00:30:58,690 --> 00:31:01,350 and you decide it's some teenagers playing around. 646 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,100 A young man jumping a fence is taking a shortcut. 647 00:31:04,190 --> 00:31:06,520 -(GUNSHOT ECHOES) -The gunshot at 3:00 a.m. 648 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,560 is a firecracker or a car backfiring. 649 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,190 You sit up in bed for a startled moment. 650 00:31:12,270 --> 00:31:15,060 Awaiting you is the cold hard floor 651 00:31:15,140 --> 00:31:18,020 and a conversation that may lead nowhere. 652 00:31:18,100 --> 00:31:20,850 You collapse onto your warm pillow 653 00:31:20,940 --> 00:31:22,770 and turn back to sleep. 654 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,600 Sirens wake you later. 655 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,020 We always joke that... 656 00:31:34,100 --> 00:31:37,440 -we must've both been blind. -We're still blind. (CHUCKLES) 657 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,810 'Cause we've been together 40 plus years. 658 00:31:39,890 --> 00:31:41,850 GAY HARDWICK: It was a blind date. 659 00:31:41,940 --> 00:31:44,520 And then, uh, just... 660 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,310 After that, we were pretty inseparable, huh? 661 00:31:47,390 --> 00:31:48,440 Yeah. 662 00:31:48,810 --> 00:31:50,600 Yeah. 663 00:31:50,690 --> 00:31:55,310 We purchased, uh, a house together in Stockton. 664 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,890 That was-- that was the bad house though. 665 00:31:58,980 --> 00:32:01,100 GAY: Yeah, I cried the day we bought that house, 666 00:32:01,190 --> 00:32:04,600 and I think that was foretelling, actually. 667 00:32:04,690 --> 00:32:07,560 Anyway, we could have stayed there very happily. 668 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,890 It was in a cute little neighborhood, 669 00:32:09,980 --> 00:32:13,560 um, the house was big enough to have a small family, 670 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,440 but as, you know, things would work out, 671 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,100 we couldn't stay there. 672 00:32:20,810 --> 00:32:24,850 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 673 00:32:29,140 --> 00:32:33,690 GAY: We were awakened by a voice and a bright light. 674 00:32:35,690 --> 00:32:40,730 That's pretty typical of-- of what happened, 675 00:32:40,810 --> 00:32:43,190 and that's what happened to us as well. 676 00:32:44,850 --> 00:32:49,190 It was a real sense of... of evil in the house. 677 00:32:51,850 --> 00:32:52,940 I sensed... 678 00:32:53,020 --> 00:32:56,520 every hair follicle on my being 679 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,020 stand up... 680 00:33:00,890 --> 00:33:05,140 and I understood what it meant to have your skin crawl. 681 00:33:05,230 --> 00:33:09,270 ♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 682 00:33:09,350 --> 00:33:11,810 The more uncomfortable he could make me feel, 683 00:33:11,890 --> 00:33:14,060 seemed to be the happier he was. 684 00:33:16,890 --> 00:33:19,100 And he said I was beautiful, 685 00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:21,520 bound and blindfolded and... 686 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:23,560 shaking. 687 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,890 At times, I couldn't tell if he was crying 688 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,980 or if he was giggling 689 00:33:30,060 --> 00:33:33,390 like someone who's hysterical might be. 690 00:33:36,770 --> 00:33:38,520 He would get silent 691 00:33:39,690 --> 00:33:41,560 and I would hope, 692 00:33:42,350 --> 00:33:43,850 "Okay, maybe he's gone." 693 00:33:45,730 --> 00:33:48,600 And... then I'd hear him again. 694 00:33:49,810 --> 00:33:51,310 I had no concept of time. 695 00:33:51,390 --> 00:33:55,980 It just seemed like I was in bed bound for an eternity. 696 00:33:56,060 --> 00:33:59,350 I had no idea if it was two hours or ten hours. 697 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,850 It went on for a couple hours of coming and going, 698 00:34:02,940 --> 00:34:04,520 and, you know, coming back 699 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,440 and, you know, torturing me some more. 700 00:34:10,020 --> 00:34:12,940 Eventually, after about 40 minutes 701 00:34:13,020 --> 00:34:14,940 of not hearing anything, 702 00:34:17,940 --> 00:34:18,980 he was gone. 703 00:34:23,230 --> 00:34:25,690 And then it was, well, this, you know, 704 00:34:25,770 --> 00:34:27,440 this is not over yet. 705 00:34:28,310 --> 00:34:29,890 And... 706 00:34:29,980 --> 00:34:32,100 that started phase two... (CHUCKLES) 707 00:34:32,190 --> 00:34:36,020 ...of, you know, what goes on after an attack. 708 00:34:37,810 --> 00:34:40,850 ♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 709 00:34:44,850 --> 00:34:46,020 (CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS) 710 00:34:46,100 --> 00:34:49,520 GAY: There you are, um... 711 00:34:50,770 --> 00:34:54,020 bound, incapacitated, 712 00:34:55,140 --> 00:34:56,560 in shock. 713 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,230 (CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS) 714 00:34:58,310 --> 00:35:02,480 And now there are four more men in the room that you don't know. 715 00:35:03,890 --> 00:35:06,230 To have somebody else sit down next to you 716 00:35:06,310 --> 00:35:08,850 while you're still unclothed 717 00:35:08,940 --> 00:35:11,890 and, you know, take out a knife and... 718 00:35:12,730 --> 00:35:14,940 have to cut the bindings off 719 00:35:15,020 --> 00:35:18,560 was, um... scary, too. 720 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,020 It was scary, too. 721 00:35:21,690 --> 00:35:24,190 We were very quickly inundated 722 00:35:24,270 --> 00:35:27,940 with, uh, crime scene investigators 723 00:35:28,020 --> 00:35:31,060 and more police officers 724 00:35:31,140 --> 00:35:34,890 and, uh, fingerprint technicians. 725 00:35:36,100 --> 00:35:39,690 We were just, um, a piece of evidence in our own home. 726 00:35:41,100 --> 00:35:45,270 I wasn't allowed to, uh, use the restroom. 727 00:35:45,350 --> 00:35:49,020 And... I remember getting up to reach for my robe 728 00:35:49,100 --> 00:35:53,140 and being, you know, stopped-- "What are you doing?" you know, 729 00:35:53,230 --> 00:35:55,480 "Where do you think-- where do you think you're going?" 730 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,730 (LAUGHS) And it's, like, I just want to cover up myself. 731 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:00,890 As time went on, 732 00:36:00,980 --> 00:36:03,270 they didn't have anyone to take me to the hospital. 733 00:36:03,350 --> 00:36:05,480 I think the protocol was that they would have 734 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,940 a female officer, but they didn't have any. 735 00:36:08,020 --> 00:36:10,480 I blocked all that out years ago. 736 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:14,100 I don't remember it like her, but... 737 00:36:14,190 --> 00:36:17,020 my defense mechanisms are block everything out. 738 00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:19,980 (CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS) 739 00:36:20,060 --> 00:36:24,310 GAY: That whole aftermath goes on and... 740 00:36:24,390 --> 00:36:26,940 you end up in a county hospital 741 00:36:27,020 --> 00:36:31,230 where, again, you have to meet with strangers 742 00:36:31,310 --> 00:36:35,850 who are going to examine and probe and, you know, 743 00:36:35,940 --> 00:36:38,810 you just really would like to be alone. 744 00:36:38,890 --> 00:36:43,100 You'd really like to take charge of your being again, 745 00:36:43,940 --> 00:36:45,230 but you can't. 746 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,440 And you know that you really mustn't 747 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:54,980 if you want the person to be caught. 748 00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,600 Daylight finally came 749 00:36:59,690 --> 00:37:02,270 about the time I was taken back to the house. 750 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,440 And they were wrapping up there. 751 00:37:08,230 --> 00:37:09,440 Our house was... 752 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,480 -BOB HARDWICK: A wreck. (LAUGHS) -GAY: ...a wreck. 753 00:37:13,940 --> 00:37:17,020 We had just had it painted that week. 754 00:37:17,100 --> 00:37:19,140 All of the newly enameled woodwork 755 00:37:19,230 --> 00:37:23,020 was covered with graphite fingerprinting material. 756 00:37:26,140 --> 00:37:29,480 It looked a lot like a smoke bomb had gone off. 757 00:37:33,020 --> 00:37:34,440 Uh, it was-- it was just-- 758 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,350 Everything felt contaminated in that house. 759 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,310 And it never felt the same. 760 00:37:50,270 --> 00:37:53,980 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 761 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,230 Right as we get up here, you can look over to the right 762 00:37:58,310 --> 00:38:00,060 and you'll see the American River. 763 00:38:00,140 --> 00:38:02,270 -This was a main thoroughfare at the time. -MICHELLE: Mm-hmm. 764 00:38:02,350 --> 00:38:03,770 MELANIE: And I'll take you to number two. 765 00:38:03,850 --> 00:38:05,600 MICHELLE: But this is where people run and do biking? 766 00:38:05,690 --> 00:38:07,730 MELANIE: This is where-- the bicycle trails and all that, 767 00:38:07,810 --> 00:38:10,100 this green belt would be where he was going 768 00:38:10,190 --> 00:38:11,770 from one point to one point. 769 00:38:11,850 --> 00:38:13,600 We often thought he could've had a boat 770 00:38:13,690 --> 00:38:15,390 -that he was taking to and from. -MICHELLE: Mm-hmm. 771 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,230 What I'm struck by in Rancho Cordova is 772 00:38:17,310 --> 00:38:20,480 I would think that he had to do so much surveillance. 773 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,560 -MELANIE: He did a lot. -MICHELLE: But-- But it-- you-- 774 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:24,230 MELANIE: He fit in, obviously. 775 00:38:24,310 --> 00:38:25,480 MICHELLE: Yeah. 776 00:38:27,690 --> 00:38:29,440 MELANIE: I really feel this area was chosen 777 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,270 because he was comfortable in here 778 00:38:31,350 --> 00:38:34,770 and he, you know, knew the area well enough 779 00:38:34,850 --> 00:38:37,600 to get in and out as quickly as possible. 780 00:38:37,690 --> 00:38:40,730 Right around the corner, there is river access. 781 00:38:43,230 --> 00:38:46,810 Back in the '70s, the fog was way heavier 782 00:38:46,890 --> 00:38:49,190 than it is now and it was so thick 783 00:38:49,270 --> 00:38:51,600 that you couldn't see feet in front of you. 784 00:38:52,770 --> 00:38:55,390 The way he disappeared so quickly 785 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:59,350 with nobody having the ability to track him. 786 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,890 Fog was a benefit to his escape as well. 787 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,390 And it's a great place to stalk 788 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,190 because you have access to all of the backyards 789 00:39:15,270 --> 00:39:17,980 where you could just walk right up to the fence 790 00:39:18,060 --> 00:39:19,440 and look over it like this 791 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,890 and you can see everything that's going on in that house. 792 00:39:22,980 --> 00:39:26,770 A lot of these houses didn't have back fences at the time. 793 00:39:26,850 --> 00:39:29,810 You could be standing out in these bushes and be watching 794 00:39:29,890 --> 00:39:34,060 everything that's going on inside of people's homes. 795 00:39:34,140 --> 00:39:37,600 And in the evening, nobody's gonna notice you out here. 796 00:39:37,690 --> 00:39:40,100 Like, you know, back in the day, 797 00:39:40,190 --> 00:39:41,350 nobody would even think about 798 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:45,190 somebody being prowling around behind the scenes. 799 00:39:45,270 --> 00:39:51,020 I feel like he was in this area for great amounts of time. 800 00:39:51,100 --> 00:39:53,690 And probably knew all the young females 801 00:39:53,770 --> 00:39:55,560 that resided in each house. 802 00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,940 It makes you just, uh... 803 00:40:00,940 --> 00:40:06,060 This is the type of thing you have to, um, uh... 804 00:40:06,140 --> 00:40:08,730 really, you know, take care of yourself 805 00:40:08,810 --> 00:40:11,270 -or you'll-- It'll consume you. -MICHELLE: Right. 806 00:40:11,350 --> 00:40:14,100 MELANIE: 'Cause this is a really dark place to go. 807 00:40:16,350 --> 00:40:18,980 This can be very dark. 808 00:40:19,060 --> 00:40:22,690 ♪ (EERIE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 809 00:40:47,690 --> 00:40:48,980 (GLASS BREAKS) 810 00:40:50,730 --> 00:40:53,980 ♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 811 00:40:55,690 --> 00:40:59,100 MICHELLE: (READS) 812 00:40:59,190 --> 00:41:01,810 When my husband, trying not to awaken me, 813 00:41:01,890 --> 00:41:03,940 tiptoed into our bedroom one night, 814 00:41:04,020 --> 00:41:05,270 I leaped out of bed, 815 00:41:05,350 --> 00:41:09,350 grabbed my nightstand lamp, and swung it at his head. 816 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,350 Luckily, I missed. 817 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:12,850 When I saw the lamp overturned 818 00:41:12,940 --> 00:41:14,850 on the bedroom floor in the morning, 819 00:41:14,940 --> 00:41:17,940 I remember what I'd done and winced. 820 00:41:18,020 --> 00:41:20,560 Then, I resumed my Talmudic study 821 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,060 of the East Area Rapist. 822 00:41:23,140 --> 00:41:25,560 She would have very, very vivid dreams. 823 00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:27,810 So when she would-- When I would wake her up, 824 00:41:27,890 --> 00:41:29,390 she'd be still half in the dream. 825 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,140 Be like, "Oh, God, please, please." 826 00:41:32,230 --> 00:41:34,810 One time, she ran out of the back of the house, 827 00:41:34,890 --> 00:41:36,980 trying to get out of the house, and I'm like, 828 00:41:37,060 --> 00:41:39,560 "You are g-- what is-- you're gonna end up-- 829 00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,810 you're gonna run into the pool or something like that, 830 00:41:41,890 --> 00:41:44,140 or what are you do--" You know. It was just this-- 831 00:41:44,230 --> 00:41:46,690 But again, a very, very vivid, 832 00:41:46,770 --> 00:41:49,520 very, very present mind, and that was one of the-- 833 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,770 I guess, one of the-- the costs of it. I don't know. 834 00:41:52,850 --> 00:41:54,100 (SHUDDERS) 835 00:41:58,390 --> 00:42:01,520 (SIGHS) This idea of the DIY detective, 836 00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,390 or these kind of digital sleuths, 837 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:07,350 are essentially amateur obsessives 838 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,060 who congregate online. 839 00:42:10,140 --> 00:42:13,560 And there are anywhere from tens to hundreds 840 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,020 to thousands of people 841 00:42:15,100 --> 00:42:17,690 who are essentially operating as this hive mind. 842 00:42:17,770 --> 00:42:19,390 MICHELLE: (OVER PHONE) Hey, Paul, it's Michelle. 843 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,310 If you have time, I have a little research question 844 00:42:22,390 --> 00:42:26,190 that I would love answered, which is the following... 845 00:42:26,270 --> 00:42:29,520 NANCY: Michelle met Paul Haynes on this message board 846 00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,480 and he came on to really help with the research 847 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:34,100 for the magazine article. 848 00:42:37,100 --> 00:42:39,390 Paul and Michelle were this perfect kind of team 849 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:44,100 because she's like the lyrics and he's the tempo. 850 00:42:44,190 --> 00:42:47,100 He did incredible data mining. 851 00:42:48,980 --> 00:42:50,270 Something that was really important 852 00:42:50,350 --> 00:42:52,890 to Los Angeles Magazine, to me as an editor, to Michelle, 853 00:42:52,980 --> 00:42:54,390 and to anyone who's been tracking this case, 854 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,600 is making sure that you got your facts straight. 855 00:42:56,690 --> 00:42:58,480 And we relied on Paul a lot. 856 00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,100 He would just go laser deep. 857 00:43:00,190 --> 00:43:01,560 And what Michelle could do 858 00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,480 was spin these stories in a really beautiful way. 859 00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,770 (CAR HORN HONKS) 860 00:43:06,850 --> 00:43:08,390 PAUL HAYNES: Just let me in. Jesus. 861 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:09,480 What's the big deal? 862 00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,100 I just have no patience for stop and go traffic. 863 00:43:13,270 --> 00:43:15,230 Moving to LA was a big move for me 864 00:43:15,310 --> 00:43:17,480 after having spent the better part of a decade 865 00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:18,850 in Florida. 866 00:43:18,940 --> 00:43:23,140 But when Michelle invited me to be her research collaborator, 867 00:43:23,230 --> 00:43:24,730 it was a very exciting opportunity 868 00:43:24,810 --> 00:43:26,890 to be directly involved with this case 869 00:43:26,980 --> 00:43:28,770 and have my interest, 870 00:43:28,850 --> 00:43:31,810 which previously I'd been ashamed of 871 00:43:31,890 --> 00:43:35,140 and felt was impractical and odd, legitimized. 872 00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,100 I moved here in November, 873 00:43:38,190 --> 00:43:41,440 and she invited me to spend my first Thanksgiving in L.A. 874 00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,020 with her and Patton and their friends and family. 875 00:43:45,230 --> 00:43:46,980 SARAH STANARD: She liked to cook a lot. 876 00:43:47,060 --> 00:43:48,640 She really liked to cook. 877 00:43:48,730 --> 00:43:52,060 She was not a great cook, but she really tried. 878 00:43:52,140 --> 00:43:54,980 So much, so often. 879 00:43:55,060 --> 00:43:57,600 Um, she was-- she was, like, had the heart, 880 00:43:57,690 --> 00:43:59,690 you know what I mean? Like, she had the heart. 881 00:44:01,140 --> 00:44:03,520 That Thanksgiving, I probably did everything. 882 00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,980 In fact, I-- I know I did everything. 883 00:44:06,770 --> 00:44:08,230 She just had work to do. 884 00:44:08,310 --> 00:44:09,640 She was finishing the article, 885 00:44:09,730 --> 00:44:11,600 but she just really wanted it to be good, 886 00:44:11,690 --> 00:44:13,140 so she just went upstairs. 887 00:44:13,230 --> 00:44:15,020 Like, we had that kind of friendship, like... 888 00:44:15,100 --> 00:44:18,020 I just came in her house and I knew where everything was 889 00:44:18,100 --> 00:44:19,850 and I made dinner. 890 00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:21,940 MICHELLE: I was in a panic. 891 00:44:22,020 --> 00:44:24,390 We were hosting Thanksgiving, and the second draft 892 00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,640 of my 7,000-word story was due Tuesday. 893 00:44:27,730 --> 00:44:31,940 I'd sent out SOS emails, brief and frank pleas for help 894 00:44:32,020 --> 00:44:34,270 that I hoped would be understood. 895 00:44:34,350 --> 00:44:36,270 I wasn't myself, though. 896 00:44:36,350 --> 00:44:38,640 Impatience roiled. 897 00:44:38,730 --> 00:44:40,600 I made a bigger deal than I needed to 898 00:44:40,690 --> 00:44:43,640 that Patton bought an undersized turkey. 899 00:44:43,730 --> 00:44:45,020 But we understood that about each other, 900 00:44:45,100 --> 00:44:46,480 like, "Go have your time." 901 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,310 You need hours and hours and hours 902 00:44:48,390 --> 00:44:49,600 to get to the deep stuff. 903 00:44:49,690 --> 00:44:51,350 You know, when you need-- when you-- 904 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,480 When someone says they need five hours to write, 905 00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,270 they need an hour to write, but they need the other hours 906 00:44:56,350 --> 00:44:59,850 to get down to those depths to start the writing. 907 00:44:59,940 --> 00:45:04,060 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 908 00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,020 MICHELLE: When I was a kid, 909 00:45:16,100 --> 00:45:19,940 my family bought a summer place on the shore of Lake Michigan. 910 00:45:22,270 --> 00:45:25,310 The first couple of summers, I didn't really know 911 00:45:25,390 --> 00:45:28,190 any of the other kids in the area. 912 00:45:28,270 --> 00:45:31,100 So I spent a lot of time on the couch, 913 00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:33,350 on the screened-in front porch, 914 00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,940 reading Agatha Christie novels. 915 00:45:37,810 --> 00:45:41,350 My interest in writing began on that porch. 916 00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,690 As a writer, you could lead a reader 917 00:45:46,770 --> 00:45:48,850 through the act of discovery. 918 00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,560 I was amazed that someone had constructed 919 00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,980 these intricate mysteries, 920 00:45:59,060 --> 00:46:01,560 that an actual human being, 921 00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,850 a woman, had plotted and twisted 922 00:46:04,940 --> 00:46:07,640 and carefully maintained curiosity 923 00:46:07,730 --> 00:46:10,850 so that you never knew who had done it 924 00:46:10,940 --> 00:46:12,940 until the very end. 925 00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,600 Yeah, it's-- it's just, there's so many... 926 00:46:21,690 --> 00:46:23,890 When you think of all the lives this guy ruined, 927 00:46:23,980 --> 00:46:26,730 and not just the victims, it just goes on and on and on. 928 00:46:26,810 --> 00:46:29,600 It's-- it's-- it's-- Exponentially, you know. 929 00:46:29,690 --> 00:46:31,440 -FIONA: Right. Right. -MICHELLE: Yeah. 930 00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:35,060 I've worked some really bad cases, 931 00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:36,730 and... 932 00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,980 this series... 933 00:46:40,060 --> 00:46:44,230 affected me emotionally and mentally 934 00:46:44,310 --> 00:46:46,390 because there was no resolution. 935 00:46:47,060 --> 00:46:48,100 Everywhere I went, 936 00:46:48,190 --> 00:46:50,600 it's, "How come you guys haven't caught that guy?" 937 00:46:50,690 --> 00:46:52,770 There was a lot of-- I wouldn't call it hysteria, 938 00:46:52,850 --> 00:46:55,100 but gun sales went out the roof. 939 00:46:55,190 --> 00:46:57,940 Burglary rates went from 1,400 in a month down to 200. 940 00:46:58,020 --> 00:46:59,890 MALE REPORTER 2: Sacramento women who have never 941 00:46:59,980 --> 00:47:01,560 -fired a gun before... -(GUNSHOTS) 942 00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,310 ...are now learning how to shoot in larger and larger numbers. 943 00:47:04,390 --> 00:47:05,940 MALE REPORTER 3: Gun sales are way up, 944 00:47:06,020 --> 00:47:07,690 with some of the buyers not that familiar 945 00:47:07,770 --> 00:47:10,390 with how to use firearms, and that can be dangerous. 946 00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,980 We had one citizen that actually shot a person 947 00:47:13,060 --> 00:47:14,020 and killed him. 948 00:47:14,100 --> 00:47:16,770 And, um, when it came time, uh, 949 00:47:16,850 --> 00:47:18,890 for him to go to superior court, 950 00:47:18,980 --> 00:47:21,730 the judge said, "Anybody in the community 951 00:47:21,810 --> 00:47:23,810 at that time would have done the same thing." 952 00:47:23,890 --> 00:47:25,440 And they dropped the charges. 953 00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,770 Back in those days... (CLEARS THROAT) 954 00:47:28,850 --> 00:47:30,520 ...it was very, very... 955 00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:32,980 very difficult 956 00:47:33,060 --> 00:47:34,770 to get departments to work together. 957 00:47:34,850 --> 00:47:37,310 When the East Area Rapist left our jurisdiction 958 00:47:37,390 --> 00:47:38,850 and went into the city, 959 00:47:38,940 --> 00:47:40,690 then he went to Stockton and Modesto 960 00:47:40,770 --> 00:47:43,020 and started expanding, 961 00:47:43,100 --> 00:47:45,690 there was sort of a lack of communication 962 00:47:45,770 --> 00:47:46,890 between the agencies 963 00:47:46,980 --> 00:47:50,140 because "You guys couldn't catch him, we will." 964 00:47:50,230 --> 00:47:52,020 And that was the attitude. 965 00:47:52,100 --> 00:47:56,230 In two cases in my area, I was kicked out of the town, 966 00:47:56,310 --> 00:47:59,350 told they didn't need my help, didn't want my help. 967 00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,480 Two weeks later, they get hit again. 968 00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:05,230 Just because agencies didn't work together. 969 00:48:08,350 --> 00:48:11,520 I remember there was a day 970 00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,350 that I was on the phone 971 00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,600 telling my friend what had happened. 972 00:48:18,350 --> 00:48:20,100 And my dad... 973 00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:25,140 I guess had picked up the other line and heard me. 974 00:48:25,230 --> 00:48:30,480 And I got in a lot of trouble for telling anybody. 975 00:48:31,940 --> 00:48:33,020 And, um... 976 00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:37,980 and I-- I think at that moment, 977 00:48:39,310 --> 00:48:42,890 that would probably be the beginning feeling of shame. 978 00:48:42,980 --> 00:48:46,690 I felt shame, I felt like, "Did I wear something? 979 00:48:46,770 --> 00:48:48,480 How did he pick me out?" 980 00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,100 MELANIE: There was this thought 981 00:48:52,190 --> 00:48:55,440 that you were raped based on your beauty 982 00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:59,560 or your clothing or your action 983 00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,350 and not that something is wrong with the man 984 00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,730 that can't control these urges. 985 00:49:05,810 --> 00:49:07,560 This was something to do with him 986 00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:09,270 that had nothing to do 987 00:49:09,350 --> 00:49:10,980 with the woman who was his victim. 988 00:49:11,060 --> 00:49:13,100 And it was a time where... 989 00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:16,940 somehow, it always came back to being the woman's fault. 990 00:49:17,020 --> 00:49:18,640 FEMALE NARRATOR 2: The woman who allows herself 991 00:49:18,730 --> 00:49:21,350 to be seen undressing or partially clothed 992 00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,940 is the woman who invites trouble. 993 00:49:24,020 --> 00:49:25,980 Here again, we see lack of awareness, 994 00:49:26,060 --> 00:49:28,270 plus invitational behavior. 995 00:49:28,350 --> 00:49:30,560 MELANIE: You even had cops saying, you know, 996 00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,480 "Well, at least he got the pretty one of the sisters." 997 00:49:36,390 --> 00:49:40,100 That culture would never know how to ask the right questions 998 00:49:40,190 --> 00:49:43,270 or say the right things to a female victim. 999 00:49:43,350 --> 00:49:47,020 The law and procedure allowed at that time, 1000 00:49:47,100 --> 00:49:48,350 the late '70s, 1001 00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:52,480 that a rape victim could be routinely asked 1002 00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:56,020 to take a polygraph exam 1003 00:49:56,100 --> 00:49:58,060 or to see a psychiatrist. 1004 00:49:58,140 --> 00:50:02,480 When people find out about this violent attack, 1005 00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,190 it's like, "Well, 1006 00:50:04,270 --> 00:50:07,480 how did you get yourself into that position?" 1007 00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:10,730 Or, um, "Why didn't you somehow 1008 00:50:10,810 --> 00:50:13,480 get yourself out of that position?" 1009 00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:16,100 You know, even some of my best friends would... 1010 00:50:16,190 --> 00:50:18,140 like, "You couldn't do anything?" 1011 00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:19,730 You know what I mean? 1012 00:50:19,810 --> 00:50:21,560 (QUIETLY) Just couldn't do anything. 1013 00:50:24,100 --> 00:50:26,640 There wasn't anything to be done. 1014 00:50:26,730 --> 00:50:30,190 I couldn't have done anything if I'd had a gun on the, uh... 1015 00:50:30,270 --> 00:50:32,810 on the bed table, you know? You're just... 1016 00:50:32,890 --> 00:50:35,230 You don't mess around when somebody, 1017 00:50:36,270 --> 00:50:39,520 you know, has full control of the situation. 1018 00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,560 And there was no mistaking that he was serious. 1019 00:50:46,270 --> 00:50:50,440 ♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1020 00:50:58,810 --> 00:51:00,390 RICHARD: Carol and I both have said 1021 00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:01,600 he's going to kill somebody. 1022 00:51:01,690 --> 00:51:03,890 The guy's getting more and more brutal as he goes. 1023 00:51:03,980 --> 00:51:05,850 More and more violent. 1024 00:51:05,940 --> 00:51:09,980 I just had this very, very strong feeling. 1025 00:51:10,060 --> 00:51:12,020 LARRY: I talked to, uh, the psychiatrist 1026 00:51:12,100 --> 00:51:13,440 at the Vacaville Medical Center 1027 00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:15,890 that worked with the rapists there. 1028 00:51:15,980 --> 00:51:18,560 And I gave her some reports, and she said, 1029 00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:20,730 "Okay, come back next week. 1030 00:51:20,810 --> 00:51:23,390 I'm gonna talk to my rapists in here." 1031 00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,730 The best thing to do if you're in a rape situation 1032 00:51:25,810 --> 00:51:28,730 is submit, submit, submit until it hurts. 1033 00:51:28,810 --> 00:51:31,810 Because it's gonna hurt a lot less in the long run. 1034 00:51:31,890 --> 00:51:33,390 If I'm willing to kill you, 1035 00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,440 the first move you make, you're gonna be dead. 1036 00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,230 MAN: The woman that I was with, 1037 00:51:37,310 --> 00:51:39,310 she fought back and she's dead. 1038 00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,350 I went back the next week and, uh, she said, 1039 00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,020 "You had better catch him. 1040 00:51:45,100 --> 00:51:48,310 He wants to kill, and he is going to kill." 1041 00:51:48,390 --> 00:51:50,480 And I said, "Why hasn't he killed?" 1042 00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:53,480 And she said, "He hasn't found the justification." 1043 00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,350 And I said, "What's the justification?" 1044 00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,310 And she said, "I don't know, but it'll get there." 1045 00:51:58,390 --> 00:52:00,140 Of course, we didn't know at the time 1046 00:52:00,230 --> 00:52:01,690 that he'd already killed. 1047 00:52:05,890 --> 00:52:08,940 The house right here, 1048 00:52:09,020 --> 00:52:12,770 the Maggiores were killed right outside the fence. 1049 00:52:12,850 --> 00:52:15,850 This is where she was shot and killed and came right out of. 1050 00:52:15,940 --> 00:52:18,060 MICHELLE: Did you feel at the time that that was related? 1051 00:52:18,140 --> 00:52:20,770 MELANIE: During the time of the East Area Rapist attack, 1052 00:52:20,850 --> 00:52:24,020 I had never heard about these homicides. 1053 00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:32,560 The same owners still reside in these residences 1054 00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:34,600 where this happened. 1055 00:52:34,690 --> 00:52:37,640 And then, one of the witnesses lived right here. 1056 00:52:37,730 --> 00:52:39,140 WOMAN 2: I heard five shots, 1057 00:52:39,230 --> 00:52:41,730 and I jumped and looked out the window. 1058 00:52:41,810 --> 00:52:45,980 And I saw a man run down the sidewalk. 1059 00:52:46,060 --> 00:52:48,440 And I saw the boy across the street. 1060 00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,560 He came running, running down-- right down the sidewalk. 1061 00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:55,520 And he came right up on the lawn next to the tree. 1062 00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,560 And then right-- right as he came to the tree, 1063 00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,390 he looked up and he saw me standing right here. 1064 00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:04,390 And he was pretty surprised, 1065 00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,100 turned around as quick as he could. 1066 00:53:06,190 --> 00:53:09,480 He just turned around and just headed straight down there 1067 00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:12,560 towards the fire hydrant around the corner. 1068 00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:15,520 MELANIE: The Maggiores were out walking their dog. 1069 00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:18,190 They were seen running 1070 00:53:18,270 --> 00:53:20,980 and went through this backyard 1071 00:53:21,060 --> 00:53:22,890 where they were attacked. 1072 00:53:22,980 --> 00:53:26,810 The fact that they were chased down and shot, 1073 00:53:26,890 --> 00:53:29,270 like, Katie was shot right in the head, 1074 00:53:29,350 --> 00:53:31,810 made me think that they had seen his face 1075 00:53:31,890 --> 00:53:33,850 and they could identify him. 1076 00:53:33,940 --> 00:53:38,100 I'm an art student and I drew out a picture of him 1077 00:53:38,190 --> 00:53:40,770 standing next to the tree, because I saw him, and I saw-- 1078 00:53:40,850 --> 00:53:43,390 I drew a picture of him running down. 1079 00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,440 MELANIE: It's believed that the composite 1080 00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:49,850 that was released at the time 1081 00:53:49,940 --> 00:53:54,850 was very close to, um, what the attacker looked like. 1082 00:53:54,940 --> 00:53:57,890 CAROL DALY: I didn't work the Maggiore homicides 1083 00:53:57,980 --> 00:54:00,390 because it was completely different MO. 1084 00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:02,890 Okay, this isn't in a home in a rape case, 1085 00:54:02,980 --> 00:54:06,190 but this is a prowler in a ski mask. 1086 00:54:06,270 --> 00:54:09,520 MELANIE: A pre-tied ligature was also found at the scene, 1087 00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:14,310 which was a common knot that the East Area Rapist used. 1088 00:54:14,390 --> 00:54:16,190 CAROL: There were officers that said "Yeah, 1089 00:54:16,270 --> 00:54:17,730 I think it could've been the East Area Rapist," 1090 00:54:17,810 --> 00:54:19,730 and others said, "No, I don't think it was." 1091 00:54:19,810 --> 00:54:21,350 MELANIE: That was a huge debate 1092 00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:23,520 because we don't know for sure what happened. 1093 00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:27,690 But the idea that most people believe 1094 00:54:27,770 --> 00:54:29,980 is that they encountered EAR 1095 00:54:30,060 --> 00:54:33,310 and, uh, they were killed because of that. 1096 00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,100 MICHELLE: And they were just walking? 1097 00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:38,940 MELANIE: Yeah. It was so sad. 1098 00:54:39,020 --> 00:54:41,520 -They were just married. -MICHELLE: Hmm. 1099 00:54:43,230 --> 00:54:45,020 MELANIE: Whatever they saw, 1100 00:54:45,850 --> 00:54:47,810 they had to die for it. 1101 00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:53,770 I really did... think 1102 00:54:53,850 --> 00:54:55,980 that they were going to-- to catch him. 1103 00:54:56,060 --> 00:54:58,940 And it was, um... 1104 00:54:59,020 --> 00:55:03,600 a hard pill to swallow as the years went by, 1105 00:55:03,690 --> 00:55:07,690 that he could've gotten away with these kinds of things. 1106 00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:15,810 (CASSETTE TAPE REWINDING) 1107 00:55:15,890 --> 00:55:20,480 GAY: I really did think that they were going to-- 1108 00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:22,690 -to catch him. -(TAPE RECORDER BEEPS) 1109 00:55:24,390 --> 00:55:26,270 MICHELLE: I mimicked the bedtime routine 1110 00:55:26,350 --> 00:55:27,770 of a normal person... 1111 00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:32,440 but after my husband and daughter fell asleep, 1112 00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,600 I hunted the killer with my laptop, 1113 00:55:36,690 --> 00:55:40,730 the 15-inch hatch of endless possibilities. 1114 00:55:53,060 --> 00:55:55,100 You know, he stole very specific things from people. 1115 00:55:55,190 --> 00:55:56,890 Not necessarily valuable things, 1116 00:55:56,980 --> 00:55:59,190 but things that meant something to his victim. 1117 00:55:59,270 --> 00:56:01,850 A lot of them were initialed, monogrammed, things like that. 1118 00:56:01,940 --> 00:56:03,520 And in my interviews with detectives, 1119 00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:05,310 I would say, "Have you ever tried to follow up 1120 00:56:05,390 --> 00:56:07,690 and see if these were on eBay or anything like that?" 1121 00:56:07,770 --> 00:56:10,190 And that just wasn't something they did. 1122 00:56:10,270 --> 00:56:13,520 My thinking was, who's to say some guy didn't die 1123 00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,520 and you have to clear out your weird uncle's storage. 1124 00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:18,440 Then, suddenly, you've just put those on eBay, 1125 00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:19,850 and we could find that. 1126 00:56:19,940 --> 00:56:21,940 So I just started to keep a list. 1127 00:56:23,100 --> 00:56:25,520 The cufflinks, a family heirloom, 1128 00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:28,520 were an unusual 1950s style 1129 00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:32,230 and monogrammed with the initials "NR." 1130 00:56:32,310 --> 00:56:35,310 Michelle had been, you know, late night, bleary eyed, 1131 00:56:35,390 --> 00:56:38,600 looking online, the latest, like, possible clue, 1132 00:56:38,690 --> 00:56:41,980 and she had stumbled upon a pair of cufflinks. 1133 00:56:42,060 --> 00:56:43,890 MICHELLE: The same style of cufflinks 1134 00:56:43,980 --> 00:56:46,020 as sketched out in the police file, 1135 00:56:46,100 --> 00:56:47,730 with the same initials. 1136 00:56:47,810 --> 00:56:49,350 NANCY: The idea was... 1137 00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:50,810 were these the cufflinks 1138 00:56:50,890 --> 00:56:53,730 that the Golden State Killer had stolen, 1139 00:56:53,810 --> 00:56:56,270 that then surfaced somewhere in Oregon? 1140 00:56:56,350 --> 00:56:57,980 And if these were the cufflinks, 1141 00:56:58,060 --> 00:57:01,770 then there might be a way to trace who sold them to whom 1142 00:57:01,850 --> 00:57:05,390 and kind of do this, like, chain of where and how-- 1143 00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:07,060 where it came from. 1144 00:57:07,140 --> 00:57:09,730 MICHELLE: I walked down the hallway to my bedroom. 1145 00:57:09,810 --> 00:57:12,520 My husband was on his side sleeping. 1146 00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:15,440 I sat on the edge of the bed and stared at him 1147 00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:17,310 until he opened his eyes. 1148 00:57:18,890 --> 00:57:21,980 "I think I found him," I said. 1149 00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:28,190 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪