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>> winans: I've always been
passionate about writing songs.
I've never been passionate about

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passionate about writing songs.
I've never been passionate about
singing.

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I've never been passionate about
singing.
Singing was a vehicle to get my

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singing.
Singing was a vehicle to get my
songs out there on the airwaves.

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Singing was a vehicle to get my
songs out there on the airwaves.
And so I had a wonderful 10

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songs out there on the airwaves.
And so I had a wonderful 10
years of just writing songs and

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and so I had a wonderful 10
years of just writing songs and
being behind the camera.

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Years of just writing songs and
being behind the camera.
So, in 1997, when it was my

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being behind the camera.
So, in 1997, when it was my
turn to record, I joined the

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so, in 1997, when it was my
turn to record, I joined the
team over at atlantic records,

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turn to record, I joined the
team over at atlantic records,
and we did my first solo album.

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Team over at atlantic records,
and we did my first solo album.
I had fun doing it.

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And we did my first solo album.
I had fun doing it.
I've never toured any of my solo

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I had fun doing it.
I've never toured any of my solo
projects.

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I've never toured any of my solo
projects.
I became allergic to the word

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projects.
I became allergic to the word
"tour."

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I became allergic to the word
"tour."
I'm still -- [ laughs ]

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"tour."
I'm still -- [ laughs ]
I'm allergic to that word.

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I'm still -- [ laughs ]
I'm allergic to that word.
Uh...

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I'm allergic to that word.
Uh...
But enjoyable.

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Uh...
But enjoyable.
But I have to be honest, every

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but enjoyable.
But I have to be honest, every
time me and cece get on the

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but I have to be honest, every
time me and cece get on the
stage, that's the most joy I get

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time me and cece get on the
stage, that's the most joy I get
out of singing.

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Stage, that's the most joy I get
out of singing.
You know, I do thinks now that I

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out of singing.
You know, I do thinks now that I
just enjoy.

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You know, I do thinks now that I
just enjoy.
It has to be fun, or I just

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just enjoy.
It has to be fun, or I just
choose not to be involved.

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I remember a couple of years ago

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I remember a couple of years ago
I thought I would interview my

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I remember a couple of years ago
I thought I would interview my
mom, and so I just asked her

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I thought I would interview my
mom, and so I just asked her
questions such as, you know,

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mom, and so I just asked her
questions such as, you know,
"when you were younger and

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questions such as, you know,
"when you were younger and
hanging out with your

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"when you were younger and
hanging out with your
girlfriends, did you want 10

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hanging out with your
girlfriends, did you want 10
kids?"

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girlfriends, did you want 10
kids?"
and she said, "no, I wanted

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kids?"
and she said, "no, I wanted
two."

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and she said, "no, I wanted
two."
and I was like, "two?"

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two."
and I was like, "two?"
because I'm number seven.

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And I was like, "two?"
because I'm number seven.
And I was like, "well, mama, why

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because I'm number seven.
And I was like, "well, mama, why
you have all them kids?"

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and I was like, "well, mama, why
you have all them kids?"
she said, "well, your father

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you have all them kids?"
she said, "well, your father
loved [bleep]."

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she said, "well, your father
loved [bleep]."
this interview is over.

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Loved [bleep]."
this interview is over.
But they had 10 kids simply

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this interview is over.
But they had 10 kids simply
because the church that my mom

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but they had 10 kids simply
because the church that my mom
joined when she married my

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because the church that my mom
joined when she married my
father were against birth

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joined when she married my
father were against birth
control.

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Father were against birth
control.
Birth control was a sin.

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Control.
Birth control was a sin.
Everything was a sin in that

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birth control was a sin.
Everything was a sin in that
church.

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Everything was a sin in that
church.
And she was an obedient wife and

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church.
And she was an obedient wife and
she ended up having 10 children.

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And she was an obedient wife and
she ended up having 10 children.
It...Causes my knees to buckle

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she ended up having 10 children.
It...Causes my knees to buckle
when I think about that.

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It...Causes my knees to buckle
when I think about that.
It's like, "you are a saint."

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when I think about that.
It's like, "you are a saint."
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it's like, "you are a saint."
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>> you never do what you do for

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♪
>> you never do what you do for
awards, but when you're

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>> you never do what you do for
awards, but when you're
recognized, it's pretty awesome

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awards, but when you're
recognized, it's pretty awesome
to know that people have

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recognized, it's pretty awesome
to know that people have
been blessed by your music, but

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to know that people have
been blessed by your music, but
also they're putting you in a

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been blessed by your music, but
also they're putting you in a
category where your music has

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also they're putting you in a
category where your music has
made a change, it's made a

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category where your music has
made a change, it's made a
difference.

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Made a change, it's made a
difference.
>> winans: I've learned over the

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difference.
>> winans: I've learned over the
years that people outside of the

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>> winans: I've learned over the
years that people outside of the
family love to but labels on

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years that people outside of the
family love to but labels on
you, you know?

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Family love to but labels on
you, you know?
The prince of gospel, the queen

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you, you know?
The prince of gospel, the queen
of --

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the prince of gospel, the queen
of --
we didn't try to become the

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of --
we didn't try to become the
first family of gospel, and we

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we didn't try to become the
first family of gospel, and we
still don't think we are.

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First family of gospel, and we
still don't think we are.
But my household was full of --

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still don't think we are.
But my household was full of --
full of music.

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But my household was full of --
full of music.
My dad and mom sang.

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Full of music.
My dad and mom sang.
My dad sang with sam cooke and

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my dad and mom sang.
My dad sang with sam cooke and
various other singers, and my

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my dad sang with sam cooke and
various other singers, and my
mom was an incredible singer.

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Various other singers, and my
mom was an incredible singer.
So, exactly that's how they met.

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Mom was an incredible singer.
So, exactly that's how they met.
They met in the

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so, exactly that's how they met.
They met in the
lemon gospel chorus.

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They met in the
lemon gospel chorus.
My mom was two years younger

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lemon gospel chorus.
My mom was two years younger
than my father, and he joined

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my mom was two years younger
than my father, and he joined
the chorus simply because there

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than my father, and he joined
the chorus simply because there
was some very nice-looking girls

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the chorus simply because there
was some very nice-looking girls
in the chorus.

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Was some very nice-looking girls
in the chorus.
And my mom used to play the

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in the chorus.
And my mom used to play the
piano for the chorus as well, so

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and my mom used to play the
piano for the chorus as well, so
music has always been in my

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piano for the chorus as well, so
music has always been in my
family.

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Music has always been in my
family.
We didn't know that it would

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family.
We didn't know that it would
become our careers and our

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we didn't know that it would
become our careers and our
lifestyle, but it was something

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become our careers and our
lifestyle, but it was something
we enjoyed.

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Lifestyle, but it was something
we enjoyed.
We enjoyed going to church.

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We enjoyed.
We enjoyed going to church.
We went to a church that was

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we enjoyed going to church.
We went to a church that was
full of life, full of music.

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We went to a church that was
full of life, full of music.
So, honestly, if my mother

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full of life, full of music.
So, honestly, if my mother
wanted to punish us, she would

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so, honestly, if my mother
wanted to punish us, she would
say, "I'm not taking y'all to

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wanted to punish us, she would
say, "I'm not taking y'all to
church."

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say, "I'm not taking y'all to
church."
we'd said, "aw, ma, we'll clean

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church."
we'd said, "aw, ma, we'll clean
our rooms.

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We'd said, "aw, ma, we'll clean
our rooms.
We'll do everything we're

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our rooms.
We'll do everything we're
supposed to do," because church

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we'll do everything we're
supposed to do," because church
was fun for us.

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Supposed to do," because church
was fun for us.
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was fun for us.
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we enjoyed every minute we were

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we enjoyed every minute we were
in church.

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We enjoyed every minute we were
in church.
And to this day, it's been my

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in church.
And to this day, it's been my
foundation through the storms

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and to this day, it's been my
foundation through the storms
and through everything that, you

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foundation through the storms
and through everything that, you
know, life brings.

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And through everything that, you
know, life brings.
Uh...

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Know, life brings.
Uh...
So, that's the kind of household

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uh...
So, that's the kind of household
we -- you know, having those

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so, that's the kind of household
we -- you know, having those
many children, you -- you know,

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we -- you know, having those
many children, you -- you know,
christmas was not about a gift.

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Many children, you -- you know,
christmas was not about a gift.
[ chuckles ]

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christmas was not about a gift.
[ chuckles ]
you didn't get gifts.

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[ chuckles ]
you didn't get gifts.
The gifts was jesus.

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You didn't get gifts.
The gifts was jesus.
That was enough.

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The gifts was jesus.
That was enough.
And so, you know, but music,

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that was enough.
And so, you know, but music,
christmastime or whenever, we

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and so, you know, but music,
christmastime or whenever, we
loved being a part.

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Christmastime or whenever, we
loved being a part.
And my father saw that early on,

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loved being a part.
And my father saw that early on,
decided to buy a piano, and we

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and my father saw that early on,
decided to buy a piano, and we
made a lot of noise.

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Decided to buy a piano, and we
made a lot of noise.
Let's just say that.

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Made a lot of noise.
Let's just say that.
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let's just say that.
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not many people know me as

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♪
not many people know me as
benjamin glenn.

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Not many people know me as
benjamin glenn.
But that's who I was when I was

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benjamin glenn.
But that's who I was when I was
born the son of david

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but that's who I was when I was
born the son of david
and delores glenn in 1962.

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Born the son of david
and delores glenn in 1962.
Glenn because my father's

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and delores glenn in 1962.
Glenn because my father's
parents were not married and,

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glenn because my father's
parents were not married and,
to be honest, he, my

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parents were not married and,
to be honest, he, my
grandfather, said my father

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to be honest, he, my
grandfather, said my father
wasn't his.

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Grandfather, said my father
wasn't his.
And it was a scandal, real

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wasn't his.
And it was a scandal, real
scandal, back then.

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And it was a scandal, real
scandal, back then.
But my father had a wonderful

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scandal, back then.
But my father had a wonderful
relationship with his

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but my father had a wonderful
relationship with his
grandfather, isaiah w. Winans.

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Relationship with his
grandfather, isaiah w. Winans.
The "w" stood for wise.

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Grandfather, isaiah w. Winans.
The "w" stood for wise.
And before my great-grandfather

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the "w" stood for wise.
And before my great-grandfather
passed away, he asked my father

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and before my great-grandfather
passed away, he asked my father
to change his name, that he

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passed away, he asked my father
to change his name, that he
wanted the name winans to live

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to change his name, that he
wanted the name winans to live
in the earth after he left the

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wanted the name winans to live
in the earth after he left the
earth.

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In the earth after he left the
earth.
And my father did just that.

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Earth.
And my father did just that.
Marched us down to the

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and my father did just that.
Marched us down to the
courthouse and changed our names

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marched us down to the
courthouse and changed our names
from glenn to winans.

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Courthouse and changed our names
from glenn to winans.
So, the first winans born in my

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from glenn to winans.
So, the first winans born in my
family was cece.

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So, the first winans born in my
family was cece.
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family was cece.
♪
we had a father and a mother in

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♪
we had a father and a mother in
the household, and we had

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we had a father and a mother in
the household, and we had
parents that cared about us.

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The household, and we had
parents that cared about us.
We had parents that were living

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parents that cared about us.
We had parents that were living
examples of what love is.

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We had parents that were living
examples of what love is.
You know?

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Examples of what love is.
You know?
And so we carried that to

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you know?
And so we carried that to
school.

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And so we carried that to
school.
A lot of kids thought we were

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school.
A lot of kids thought we were
kind of crazy because they would

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a lot of kids thought we were
kind of crazy because they would
invite us to parties and we

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kind of crazy because they would
invite us to parties and we
would say, "no, but you wanna

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invite us to parties and we
would say, "no, but you wanna
come to revival?"

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would say, "no, but you wanna
come to revival?"
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come to revival?"
[ chuckles ]
"we got a revival at our

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[ chuckles ]
"we got a revival at our
church," you know?

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"we got a revival at our
church," you know?
♪

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church," you know?
♪
graduated from high school in

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♪
graduated from high school in
1980.

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Graduated from high school in
1980.
Didn't think -- you know, knew

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1980.
Didn't think -- you know, knew
god would be back before that

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didn't think -- you know, knew
god would be back before that
would happen, and cece actually

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god would be back before that
would happen, and cece actually
graduated with me.

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Would happen, and cece actually
graduated with me.
And a friend of ours named

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graduated with me.
And a friend of ours named
howard mcqueary spoke to my

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and a friend of ours named
howard mcqueary spoke to my
brothers first and then called

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howard mcqueary spoke to my
brothers first and then called
and asked if cece and I would

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brothers first and then called
and asked if cece and I would
come audition for the

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and asked if cece and I would
come audition for the
ptl network.

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Come audition for the
ptl network.
Didn't know what that was.

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Ptl network.
Didn't know what that was.
And my brother marvin said, "no

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didn't know what that was.
And my brother marvin said, "no
way is that going to happen,"

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and my brother marvin said, "no
way is that going to happen,"
because my father didn't allow

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way is that going to happen,"
because my father didn't allow
us to spend the night over at

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because my father didn't allow
us to spend the night over at
anyone's house.

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Us to spend the night over at
anyone's house.
So, we went and auditioned.

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Anyone's house.
So, we went and auditioned.
Now, to do that, my mom -- wow.

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So, we went and auditioned.
Now, to do that, my mom -- wow.
My mom was an angel.

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Now, to do that, my mom -- wow.
My mom was an angel.
She took me and my sister on a

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my mom was an angel.
She took me and my sister on a
greyhound bus from detroit,

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she took me and my sister on a
greyhound bus from detroit,
michigan, to charlotte,

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greyhound bus from detroit,
michigan, to charlotte,
north carolina.

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Michigan, to charlotte,
north carolina.
Well, we took the trip.

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North carolina.
Well, we took the trip.
Long story short, came back,

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well, we took the trip.
Long story short, came back,
they called, and I just knew it

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long story short, came back,
they called, and I just knew it
was gonna be good news for all.

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They called, and I just knew it
was gonna be good news for all.
And the news was yes to cece

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was gonna be good news for all.
And the news was yes to cece
and no to bebe.

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And the news was yes to cece
and no to bebe.
And so that was shattering for

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and no to bebe.
And so that was shattering for
me.

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And so that was shattering for
me.
At the same time, my father said

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me.
At the same time, my father said
there's no way cece's gonna go

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at the same time, my father said
there's no way cece's gonna go
by herself.

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There's no way cece's gonna go
by herself.
And I just thought, "you know

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by herself.
And I just thought, "you know
what?

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And I just thought, "you know
what?
This is a great opportunity for

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what?
This is a great opportunity for
cece.

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This is a great opportunity for
cece.
Let's put bebe's feelings

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cece.
Let's put bebe's feelings
aside," and I asked my father,

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let's put bebe's feelings
aside," and I asked my father,
"if I go down and just get a

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aside," and I asked my father,
"if I go down and just get a
job, could cece go and have this

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"if I go down and just get a
job, could cece go and have this
opportunity?"

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job, could cece go and have this
opportunity?"
and he said yes.

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Opportunity?"
and he said yes.
But my brothers were angry

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and he said yes.
But my brothers were angry
because cece was 15 and I was

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but my brothers were angry
because cece was 15 and I was
only 17 and he was going to

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because cece was 15 and I was
only 17 and he was going to
allow her to go.

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Only 17 and he was going to
allow her to go.
So, we knew it had to be the

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allow her to go.
So, we knew it had to be the
work of god, because there's

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so, we knew it had to be the
work of god, because there's
just no way this is happening.

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Work of god, because there's
just no way this is happening.
But it did, and I went down and

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just no way this is happening.
But it did, and I went down and
got a job at the grocery store

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but it did, and I went down and
got a job at the grocery store
so cece could have an

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got a job at the grocery store
so cece could have an
opportunity...That I was passed

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so cece could have an
opportunity...That I was passed
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>> winans: I think it was maybe
six months after going down to
charlotte and cece joining the

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six months after going down to
charlotte and cece joining the
ptl singers that howard

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charlotte and cece joining the
ptl singers that howard
approached me and said, "I got

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ptl singers that howard
approached me and said, "I got
an idea.

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Approached me and said, "I got
an idea.
I want you to sing with the

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an idea.
I want you to sing with the
choir, and cece's going to have

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I want you to sing with the
choir, and cece's going to have
a solo.

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Choir, and cece's going to have
a solo.
And when she gets to a certain

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a solo.
And when she gets to a certain
part in the solo, I want you to

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and when she gets to a certain
part in the solo, I want you to
ad lib."

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part in the solo, I want you to
ad lib."
so, "sure. Let's do it."

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ad lib."
so, "sure. Let's do it."
so, on that morning, cece starts

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so, "sure. Let's do it."
so, on that morning, cece starts
to sing her solo.

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So, on that morning, cece starts
to sing her solo.
And I say...

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To sing her solo.
And I say...
♪ whispers of love ♪

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and I say...
♪ whispers of love ♪
and after the program,

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♪ whispers of love ♪
and after the program,
jim bakker runs over and says,

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and after the program,
jim bakker runs over and says,
"who did those whispers?"

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jim bakker runs over and says,
"who did those whispers?"
and I raised my hand.

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"who did those whispers?"
and I raised my hand.
And he said, "loved those.

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And I raised my hand.
And he said, "loved those.
You're in the ptl singers.

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And he said, "loved those.
You're in the ptl singers.
I was like, "what?

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You're in the ptl singers.
I was like, "what?
I would've whispered a long time

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I was like, "what?
I would've whispered a long time
ago if I'd known that."

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I would've whispered a long time
ago if I'd known that."
and that's how I was drafted

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ago if I'd known that."
and that's how I was drafted
into the ptl singers.

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And that's how I was drafted
into the ptl singers.
And, you know, you have to

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into the ptl singers.
And, you know, you have to
understand.

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And, you know, you have to
understand.
Cece and I, we were not a duet.

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Understand.
Cece and I, we were not a duet.
And after being in the singers

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cece and I, we were not a duet.
And after being in the singers
for maybe four months, jim came

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and after being in the singers
for maybe four months, jim came
to the rehearsal and said, "hey,

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for maybe four months, jim came
to the rehearsal and said, "hey,
I heard this song on the radio

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to the rehearsal and said, "hey,
I heard this song on the radio
from the motion picture

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I heard this song on the radio
from the motion picture
'an officer and a gentleman.'

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from the motion picture
'an officer and a gentleman.'
and I think if you all change a

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'an officer and a gentleman.'
and I think if you all change a
couple of words, it'd be

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and I think if you all change a
couple of words, it'd be
perfect."

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couple of words, it'd be
perfect."
and then he looked at me and

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perfect."
and then he looked at me and
said, "I want you, bebe, and

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and then he looked at me and
said, "I want you, bebe, and
you, cece, to sing it as a

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said, "I want you, bebe, and
you, cece, to sing it as a
duet."

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you, cece, to sing it as a
duet."
>> ♪ lord lift us up where we

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duet."
>> ♪ lord lift us up where we
belong ♪

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>> ♪ lord lift us up where we
belong ♪
>> ♪ ah ♪

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belong ♪
>> ♪ ah ♪
>> ♪ where the eagles fly ♪

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>> ♪ ah ♪
>> ♪ where the eagles fly ♪
>> winans: And we did, and

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>> ♪ where the eagles fly ♪
>> winans: And we did, and
that's how cece and I became a

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>> winans: And we did, and
that's how cece and I became a
duet.

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That's how cece and I became a
duet.
Um...

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Duet.
Um...
It was almost magical, if I

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um...
It was almost magical, if I
could say that word, because she

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it was almost magical, if I
could say that word, because she
knew and I knew without even

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could say that word, because she
knew and I knew without even
voicing our -- to each other

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knew and I knew without even
voicing our -- to each other
that this is what we both

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voicing our -- to each other
that this is what we both
wanted.

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That this is what we both
wanted.
Now, that meant us going back

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wanted.
Now, that meant us going back
home to detroit and telling my

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now, that meant us going back
home to detroit and telling my
brother daniel that we were no

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home to detroit and telling my
brother daniel that we were no
longer a group.

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Brother daniel that we were no
longer a group.
[ exhales sharply ]

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longer a group.
[ exhales sharply ]
that was a...

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[ exhales sharply ]
that was a...
That was a rough meeting.

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That was a...
That was a rough meeting.
[ chuckles ]

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that was a rough meeting.
[ chuckles ]
my father was angry because my

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[ chuckles ]
my father was angry because my
father used to always tell us,

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my father was angry because my
father used to always tell us,
you know, family got to stick

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father used to always tell us,
you know, family got to stick
together.

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You know, family got to stick
together.
And we knew we were going back

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together.
And we knew we were going back
home to say family is saying

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and we knew we were going back
home to say family is saying
goodbye to each other.

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Home to say family is saying
goodbye to each other.
And that was hard to do, but we

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goodbye to each other.
And that was hard to do, but we
both knew it was destined.

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And that was hard to do, but we
both knew it was destined.
♪

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both knew it was destined.
♪
when jim came into that room

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♪
when jim came into that room
where we were rehearsing and

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when jim came into that room
where we were rehearsing and
gave us -- he gave us a song to

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where we were rehearsing and
gave us -- he gave us a song to
learn and to become...

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Gave us -- he gave us a song to
learn and to become...
You know, I don't think he knew

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learn and to become...
You know, I don't think he knew
it was going to become as big

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you know, I don't think he knew
it was going to become as big
as it was for the network.

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It was going to become as big
as it was for the network.
I mean, we sang that song "lord

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as it was for the network.
I mean, we sang that song "lord
lift us up where we belong"

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I mean, we sang that song "lord
lift us up where we belong"
every day it looked like for two

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lift us up where we belong"
every day it looked like for two
or three years.

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Every day it looked like for two
or three years.
They made a lot of money on

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or three years.
They made a lot of money on
that -- that single.

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They made a lot of money on
that -- that single.
So, they decided to record an

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that -- that single.
So, they decided to record an
album.

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So, they decided to record an
album.
It was a incredible moment,

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album.
It was a incredible moment,
because I was doing something

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it was a incredible moment,
because I was doing something
I wanted to do for a long time,

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because I was doing something
I wanted to do for a long time,
and that was record.

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I wanted to do for a long time,
and that was record.
♪

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and that was record.
♪
I would say 4,000 employees,

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♪
I would say 4,000 employees,
four were african-americans --

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I would say 4,000 employees,
four were african-americans --
me and cece and two others.

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Four were african-americans --
me and cece and two others.
And so I did not know racism

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me and cece and two others.
And so I did not know racism
like I learned about racism when

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and so I did not know racism
like I learned about racism when
I arrived in charlotte,

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like I learned about racism when
I arrived in charlotte,
north carolina.

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I arrived in charlotte,
north carolina.
And I was naive.

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North carolina.
And I was naive.
I think I was naive when it came

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and I was naive.
I think I was naive when it came
to people not loving you because

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I think I was naive when it came
to people not loving you because
of the color of your skin and

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to people not loving you because
of the color of your skin and
just hating you.

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Of the color of your skin and
just hating you.
But there was one cameraman.

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Just hating you.
But there was one cameraman.
And, you know, my family, we say

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but there was one cameraman.
And, you know, my family, we say
hello with our hands, you know?

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And, you know, my family, we say
hello with our hands, you know?
We touch you on the shoulder and

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hello with our hands, you know?
We touch you on the shoulder and
say hey and encourage you and

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we touch you on the shoulder and
say hey and encourage you and
pat you on the back and...

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Say hey and encourage you and
pat you on the back and...
And his wife had a history of

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pat you on the back and...
And his wife had a history of
miscarriages, so when we learned

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and his wife had a history of
miscarriages, so when we learned
she was pregnant again, you

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miscarriages, so when we learned
she was pregnant again, you
know, I went up to him and said,

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she was pregnant again, you
know, I went up to him and said,
"hey, man, you go have this

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know, I went up to him and said,
"hey, man, you go have this
baby.

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"hey, man, you go have this
baby.
We're here to back you up in

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baby.
We're here to back you up in
prayer and everything."

364
00:13:35,916 --> 00:13:39,200
we're here to back you up in
prayer and everything."
they had the baby, and a year or

365
00:13:39,202 --> 00:13:42,003
prayer and everything."
they had the baby, and a year or
so later, he was moving on.

366
00:13:42,005 --> 00:13:43,538
They had the baby, and a year or
so later, he was moving on.
They were moving out of town.

367
00:13:43,540 --> 00:13:45,173
So later, he was moving on.
They were moving out of town.
And I remember him coming to me.

368
00:13:45,175 --> 00:13:47,842
They were moving out of town.
And I remember him coming to me.
He was saying goodbye to all the

369
00:13:47,844 --> 00:13:50,395
and I remember him coming to me.
He was saying goodbye to all the
band and various other people.

370
00:13:50,397 --> 00:13:53,848
He was saying goodbye to all the
band and various other people.
He came to me, and he started

371
00:13:53,850 --> 00:13:56,601
band and various other people.
He came to me, and he started
crying uncontrollably.

372
00:13:56,603 --> 00:13:58,686
He came to me, and he started
crying uncontrollably.
And I was like, you know, "why

373
00:13:58,688 --> 00:14:00,121
crying uncontrollably.
And I was like, you know, "why
you crying so hard?

374
00:14:00,123 --> 00:14:02,173
And I was like, you know, "why
you crying so hard?
I mean, I couldn't think of

375
00:14:02,175 --> 00:14:04,442
you crying so hard?
I mean, I couldn't think of
anything I did for you outside

376
00:14:04,444 --> 00:14:06,027
I mean, I couldn't think of
anything I did for you outside
of praying for you."

377
00:14:06,029 --> 00:14:08,079
anything I did for you outside
of praying for you."
um, and then he went on to say,

378
00:14:08,081 --> 00:14:11,199
of praying for you."
um, and then he went on to say,
"I hated you."

379
00:14:11,201 --> 00:14:13,451
um, and then he went on to say,
"I hated you."
he said, "every time you spoke

380
00:14:13,453 --> 00:14:15,537
"I hated you."
he said, "every time you spoke
to me, every time you -- you

381
00:14:15,539 --> 00:14:17,839
he said, "every time you spoke
to me, every time you -- you
would touch me, I would cringe

382
00:14:17,841 --> 00:14:22,126
to me, every time you -- you
would touch me, I would cringe
because my christian parents

383
00:14:22,128 --> 00:14:26,014
would touch me, I would cringe
because my christian parents
taught us to hate black people,

384
00:14:26,016 --> 00:14:30,218
because my christian parents
taught us to hate black people,
that black people were evil."

385
00:14:30,220 --> 00:14:32,070
taught us to hate black people,
that black people were evil."
and then he went on to say,

386
00:14:32,072 --> 00:14:34,372
that black people were evil."
and then he went on to say,
"but because of your

387
00:14:34,374 --> 00:14:37,742
and then he went on to say,
"but because of your
consistency, because of the love

388
00:14:37,744 --> 00:14:41,129
"but because of your
consistency, because of the love
you showed me every day, it has

389
00:14:41,131 --> 00:14:44,082
consistency, because of the love
you showed me every day, it has
broken the chains of hatred

390
00:14:44,084 --> 00:14:47,218
you showed me every day, it has
broken the chains of hatred
inside of me, so I wanted to

391
00:14:47,220 --> 00:14:48,720
broken the chains of hatred
inside of me, so I wanted to
thank you."

392
00:14:48,722 --> 00:14:51,673
inside of me, so I wanted to
thank you."
man, what a lesson to learn at

393
00:14:51,675 --> 00:14:53,174
thank you."
man, what a lesson to learn at
19 years old.

394
00:14:53,176 --> 00:14:56,177
Man, what a lesson to learn at
19 years old.
I didn't know if I wanted to hug

395
00:14:56,179 --> 00:14:58,012
19 years old.
I didn't know if I wanted to hug
him or to hit him.

396
00:14:58,014 --> 00:15:01,482
I didn't know if I wanted to hug
him or to hit him.
I chose the former, and -- but I

397
00:15:01,484 --> 00:15:04,269
him or to hit him.
I chose the former, and -- but I
learned a lesson, that...

398
00:15:04,271 --> 00:15:06,854
I chose the former, and -- but I
learned a lesson, that...
Love is more powerful than

399
00:15:06,856 --> 00:15:07,155
learned a lesson, that...
Love is more powerful than
hatred.

400
00:15:12,061 --> 00:15:18,750
>> winans: If I had to speak
into the that young benjamin's
life, I would tell him don't

401
00:15:18,752 --> 00:15:21,336
into the that young benjamin's
life, I would tell him don't
sign any contracts.

402
00:15:21,338 --> 00:15:24,789
Life, I would tell him don't
sign any contracts.
[ chuckles ]

403
00:15:24,791 --> 00:15:26,541
sign any contracts.
[ chuckles ]
and don't be anxious.

404
00:15:26,543 --> 00:15:29,544
[ chuckles ]
and don't be anxious.
I think every artist wants to

405
00:15:29,546 --> 00:15:31,846
and don't be anxious.
I think every artist wants to
display their talent.

406
00:15:31,848 --> 00:15:34,515
I think every artist wants to
display their talent.
And because of that, I think the

407
00:15:34,517 --> 00:15:36,718
display their talent.
And because of that, I think the
industry -- not "I think."

408
00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:38,886
and because of that, I think the
industry -- not "I think."
I know the industry takes

409
00:15:38,888 --> 00:15:41,372
industry -- not "I think."
I know the industry takes
advantage of the anxiousness,

410
00:15:41,374 --> 00:15:43,992
I know the industry takes
advantage of the anxiousness,
and sometimes we make mistakes

411
00:15:43,994 --> 00:15:47,662
advantage of the anxiousness,
and sometimes we make mistakes
in not reading or not knowing

412
00:15:47,664 --> 00:15:49,080
and sometimes we make mistakes
in not reading or not knowing
what we're stepping into.

413
00:15:49,082 --> 00:15:50,798
In not reading or not knowing
what we're stepping into.
So I would tell that benjamin

414
00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:52,800
what we're stepping into.
So I would tell that benjamin
just be patient.

415
00:15:52,802 --> 00:15:54,669
So I would tell that benjamin
just be patient.
Maybe go to school and become an

416
00:15:54,671 --> 00:15:56,504
just be patient.
Maybe go to school and become an
attorney, and then get into the

417
00:15:56,506 --> 00:15:57,538
maybe go to school and become an
attorney, and then get into the
music industry.

418
00:15:57,540 --> 00:16:00,174
Attorney, and then get into the
music industry.
[ chuckles ]

419
00:16:00,176 --> 00:16:02,226
music industry.
[ chuckles ]
'cause you don't need to trust

420
00:16:02,228 --> 00:16:03,094
[ chuckles ]
'cause you don't need to trust
everybody.

421
00:16:03,096 --> 00:16:03,711
'cause you don't need to trust
everybody.
That was one of my problems.

422
00:16:09,601 --> 00:16:18,443
>> winans: After cece and I
moved back to detroit, michigan,
um, you know, life was back to,

423
00:16:18,445 --> 00:16:20,361
moved back to detroit, michigan,
um, you know, life was back to,
you know, trying to figure out

424
00:16:20,363 --> 00:16:22,196
um, you know, life was back to,
you know, trying to figure out
what's the next step.

425
00:16:22,198 --> 00:16:25,366
You know, trying to figure out
what's the next step.
"ptl" called, and they wanted us

426
00:16:25,368 --> 00:16:26,901
what's the next step.
"ptl" called, and they wanted us
to come back.

427
00:16:26,903 --> 00:16:29,821
"ptl" called, and they wanted us
to come back.
And we had decided, okay, they

428
00:16:29,823 --> 00:16:32,790
to come back.
And we had decided, okay, they
were gonna give us our freedom

429
00:16:32,792 --> 00:16:34,959
and we had decided, okay, they
were gonna give us our freedom
to travel as a duet and sing

430
00:16:34,961 --> 00:16:37,412
were gonna give us our freedom
to travel as a duet and sing
when we had, you know, offers to

431
00:16:37,414 --> 00:16:38,212
to travel as a duet and sing
when we had, you know, offers to
go out.

432
00:16:38,214 --> 00:16:41,582
When we had, you know, offers to
go out.
But we would be on salary

433
00:16:41,584 --> 00:16:42,750
go out.
But we would be on salary
at "ptl."

434
00:16:42,752 --> 00:16:45,286
but we would be on salary
at "ptl."
and a week before we were

435
00:16:45,288 --> 00:16:48,323
at "ptl."
and a week before we were
supposed to leave, they changed

436
00:16:48,325 --> 00:16:51,626
and a week before we were
supposed to leave, they changed
their minds and he did not want

437
00:16:51,628 --> 00:16:52,677
supposed to leave, they changed
their minds and he did not want
us to come.

438
00:16:52,679 --> 00:16:55,613
Their minds and he did not want
us to come.
About a week later, the whole

439
00:16:55,615 --> 00:16:57,615
us to come.
About a week later, the whole
scandal broke out.

440
00:16:57,617 --> 00:16:59,133
About a week later, the whole
scandal broke out.
♪

441
00:16:59,135 --> 00:17:01,703
scandal broke out.
♪
jim did not want us to be part

442
00:17:01,705 --> 00:17:04,138
♪
jim did not want us to be part
and caught up in the scandal

443
00:17:04,140 --> 00:17:08,810
jim did not want us to be part
and caught up in the scandal
that blew up about "ptl" and

444
00:17:08,812 --> 00:17:09,944
and caught up in the scandal
that blew up about "ptl" and
jim.

445
00:17:09,946 --> 00:17:11,946
That blew up about "ptl" and
jim.
And so he was protecting us.

446
00:17:11,948 --> 00:17:14,615
Jim.
And so he was protecting us.
Now, in that moment, I decided I

447
00:17:14,617 --> 00:17:16,617
and so he was protecting us.
Now, in that moment, I decided I
was going to go down to

448
00:17:16,619 --> 00:17:18,419
now, in that moment, I decided I
was going to go down to
nashville, and I met

449
00:17:18,421 --> 00:17:21,456
was going to go down to
nashville, and I met
keith thomas, and we started to

450
00:17:21,458 --> 00:17:23,958
nashville, and I met
keith thomas, and we started to
plan how my sister and I was

451
00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,177
keith thomas, and we started to
plan how my sister and I was
going to get a contract.

452
00:17:26,179 --> 00:17:29,647
Plan how my sister and I was
going to get a contract.
And we started taking meetings,

453
00:17:29,649 --> 00:17:32,617
going to get a contract.
And we started taking meetings,
and every meeting we took,

454
00:17:32,619 --> 00:17:34,702
and we started taking meetings,
and every meeting we took,
they said no.

455
00:17:34,704 --> 00:17:36,287
And every meeting we took,
they said no.
I remember one meeting, the guy

456
00:17:36,289 --> 00:17:37,905
they said no.
I remember one meeting, the guy
said, "I don't hear any talent."

457
00:17:37,907 --> 00:17:40,742
I remember one meeting, the guy
said, "I don't hear any talent."
I was like, "you don't hear a--

458
00:17:40,744 --> 00:17:42,243
said, "I don't hear any talent."
I was like, "you don't hear a--
I mean, none?"

459
00:17:42,245 --> 00:17:44,145
I was like, "you don't hear a--
I mean, none?"
and, you know, you can get

460
00:17:44,147 --> 00:17:45,229
I mean, none?"
and, you know, you can get
discouraged.

461
00:17:45,231 --> 00:17:47,615
And, you know, you can get
discouraged.
And I must say, we were a little

462
00:17:47,617 --> 00:17:48,950
discouraged.
And I must say, we were a little
bit discouraged.

463
00:17:48,952 --> 00:17:51,569
And I must say, we were a little
bit discouraged.
And the last meeting we took

464
00:17:51,571 --> 00:17:56,023
bit discouraged.
And the last meeting we took
was bill hearn, billy ray hearn,

465
00:17:56,025 --> 00:17:58,259
and the last meeting we took
was bill hearn, billy ray hearn,
sparrow records, and they said

466
00:17:58,261 --> 00:17:59,594
was bill hearn, billy ray hearn,
sparrow records, and they said
yes.

467
00:17:59,596 --> 00:18:01,696
Sparrow records, and they said
yes.
But if it wasn't for

468
00:18:01,698 --> 00:18:04,832
yes.
But if it wasn't for
keith thomas, I don't think cece

469
00:18:04,834 --> 00:18:07,969
but if it wasn't for
keith thomas, I don't think cece
and I would -- would be where we

470
00:18:07,971 --> 00:18:08,719
keith thomas, I don't think cece
and I would -- would be where we
are.

471
00:18:08,721 --> 00:18:11,773
And I would -- would be where we
are.
Um, but after the first album

472
00:18:11,775 --> 00:18:14,776
are.
Um, but after the first album
with sparrow, which was

473
00:18:14,778 --> 00:18:17,245
um, but after the first album
with sparrow, which was
distributed by capitol records,

474
00:18:17,247 --> 00:18:20,281
with sparrow, which was
distributed by capitol records,
for the next album, which was

475
00:18:20,283 --> 00:18:22,583
distributed by capitol records,
for the next album, which was
"heaven," we were on

476
00:18:22,585 --> 00:18:24,485
for the next album, which was
"heaven," we were on
capitol records.

477
00:18:24,487 --> 00:18:26,104
"heaven," we were on
capitol records.
And it was like, well, now how

478
00:18:26,106 --> 00:18:27,071
capitol records.
And it was like, well, now how
did that happen?

479
00:18:27,073 --> 00:18:28,940
And it was like, well, now how
did that happen?
How did that happen?

480
00:18:28,942 --> 00:18:32,660
Did that happen?
How did that happen?
You kind of felt like...

481
00:18:32,662 --> 00:18:35,263
How did that happen?
You kind of felt like...
Slavery is still happening in

482
00:18:35,265 --> 00:18:38,132
you kind of felt like...
Slavery is still happening in
the christian music world, um,

483
00:18:38,134 --> 00:18:39,851
slavery is still happening in
the christian music world, um,
because we didn't have any

484
00:18:39,853 --> 00:18:41,302
the christian music world, um,
because we didn't have any
involvement with that.

485
00:18:41,304 --> 00:18:45,389
Because we didn't have any
involvement with that.
Happy to be on capitol, but

486
00:18:45,391 --> 00:18:47,108
involvement with that.
Happy to be on capitol, but
they didn't need our permission

487
00:18:47,110 --> 00:18:49,277
happy to be on capitol, but
they didn't need our permission
to place us on capitol records.

488
00:18:49,279 --> 00:18:52,063
They didn't need our permission
to place us on capitol records.
But, you know, you live and you

489
00:18:52,065 --> 00:18:52,947
to place us on capitol records.
But, you know, you live and you
learn.

490
00:18:52,949 --> 00:18:56,234
But, you know, you live and you
learn.
♪

491
00:18:56,236 --> 00:18:59,654
learn.
♪
we were sitting in a room, and

492
00:18:59,656 --> 00:19:02,123
♪
we were sitting in a room, and
they were speaking to us about

493
00:19:02,125 --> 00:19:04,709
we were sitting in a room, and
they were speaking to us about
the new album that we were going

494
00:19:04,711 --> 00:19:07,328
they were speaking to us about
the new album that we were going
to record and how they had these

495
00:19:07,330 --> 00:19:09,247
the new album that we were going
to record and how they had these
other producers lined up, and I

496
00:19:09,249 --> 00:19:10,465
to record and how they had these
other producers lined up, and I
was like, "oh, no.

497
00:19:10,467 --> 00:19:12,383
Other producers lined up, and I
was like, "oh, no.
No, we're gonna use keith, you

498
00:19:12,385 --> 00:19:14,635
was like, "oh, no.
No, we're gonna use keith, you
know, from nashville like we did

499
00:19:14,637 --> 00:19:15,403
no, we're gonna use keith, you
know, from nashville like we did
on the first album."

500
00:19:15,405 --> 00:19:17,221
know, from nashville like we did
on the first album."
they said, "no, no, this is --

501
00:19:17,223 --> 00:19:18,556
on the first album."
they said, "no, no, this is --
this is big time now.

502
00:19:18,558 --> 00:19:20,308
They said, "no, no, this is --
this is big time now.
You have to think, you know,

503
00:19:20,310 --> 00:19:21,225
this is big time now.
You have to think, you know,
differently."

504
00:19:21,227 --> 00:19:22,994
you have to think, you know,
differently."
it's like all of a sudden, it

505
00:19:22,996 --> 00:19:24,662
differently."
it's like all of a sudden, it
got quiet, and I said, "oh,

506
00:19:24,664 --> 00:19:25,796
it's like all of a sudden, it
got quiet, and I said, "oh,
wait, whoa, whoa.

507
00:19:25,798 --> 00:19:29,000
Got quiet, and I said, "oh,
wait, whoa, whoa.
Now, let me say this.

508
00:19:29,002 --> 00:19:32,069
Wait, whoa, whoa.
Now, let me say this.
I am very happy to be on

509
00:19:32,071 --> 00:19:35,990
now, let me say this.
I am very happy to be on
capitol records, but we're gonna

510
00:19:35,992 --> 00:19:37,825
I am very happy to be on
capitol records, but we're gonna
use keith thomas, and if we

511
00:19:37,827 --> 00:19:39,877
capitol records, but we're gonna
use keith thomas, and if we
can't use keith thomas, then me

512
00:19:39,879 --> 00:19:41,963
use keith thomas, and if we
can't use keith thomas, then me
and my sister are gonna walk out

513
00:19:41,965 --> 00:19:43,965
can't use keith thomas, then me
and my sister are gonna walk out
of here and y'all won't get no

514
00:19:43,967 --> 00:19:45,249
and my sister are gonna walk out
of here and y'all won't get no
record out of us."

515
00:19:45,251 --> 00:19:46,751
of here and y'all won't get no
record out of us."
and I remember the president

516
00:19:46,753 --> 00:19:48,336
record out of us."
and I remember the president
looking at me and saying, "you

517
00:19:48,338 --> 00:19:50,771
and I remember the president
looking at me and saying, "you
would leave capitol records?"

518
00:19:50,773 --> 00:19:52,356
looking at me and saying, "you
would leave capitol records?"
and I said, "yes.

519
00:19:52,358 --> 00:19:55,026
Would leave capitol records?"
and I said, "yes.
Just like I walked in here, I'll

520
00:19:55,028 --> 00:19:57,111
and I said, "yes.
Just like I walked in here, I'll
walk out if we can't use

521
00:19:57,113 --> 00:19:59,113
just like I walked in here, I'll
walk out if we can't use
keith thomas."

522
00:19:59,115 --> 00:20:01,482
walk out if we can't use
keith thomas."
♪

523
00:20:01,484 --> 00:20:04,485
keith thomas."
♪
my songs are a blueprint of my

524
00:20:04,487 --> 00:20:05,353
♪
my songs are a blueprint of my
life.

525
00:20:05,355 --> 00:20:06,754
My songs are a blueprint of my
life.
Um...

526
00:20:06,756 --> 00:20:08,139
Life.
Um...
The name of the album was

527
00:20:08,141 --> 00:20:09,423
um...
The name of the album was
"different lifestyles."

528
00:20:09,425 --> 00:20:11,959
the name of the album was
"different lifestyles."
and on that album was...

529
00:20:11,961 --> 00:20:14,629
"different lifestyles."
and on that album was...
"I'll take you there" and

530
00:20:14,631 --> 00:20:17,565
and on that album was...
"I'll take you there" and
"addictive love."

531
00:20:17,567 --> 00:20:20,451
"I'll take you there" and
"addictive love."
that was an interesting moment

532
00:20:20,453 --> 00:20:21,402
"addictive love."
that was an interesting moment
for me.

533
00:20:21,404 --> 00:20:25,323
That was an interesting moment
for me.
The record company, emi music,

534
00:20:25,325 --> 00:20:29,093
for me.
The record company, emi music,
sparrow, they came to my home

535
00:20:29,095 --> 00:20:32,263
the record company, emi music,
sparrow, they came to my home
and they really felt this way.

536
00:20:32,265 --> 00:20:35,516
Sparrow, they came to my home
and they really felt this way.
They felt like that the word

537
00:20:35,518 --> 00:20:39,136
and they really felt this way.
They felt like that the word
"addictive" was a negative word,

538
00:20:39,138 --> 00:20:41,973
they felt like that the word
"addictive" was a negative word,
and what it meant, addictions,

539
00:20:41,975 --> 00:20:43,107
"addictive" was a negative word,
and what it meant, addictions,
you know?

540
00:20:43,109 --> 00:20:46,110
And what it meant, addictions,
you know?
And they said, "you know, bebe,

541
00:20:46,112 --> 00:20:48,646
you know?
And they said, "you know, bebe,
um, we don't think this song

542
00:20:48,648 --> 00:20:50,398
and they said, "you know, bebe,
um, we don't think this song
should be on the album."

543
00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:52,400
um, we don't think this song
should be on the album."
and they gave us the reasons.

544
00:20:52,402 --> 00:20:54,569
Should be on the album."
and they gave us the reasons.
It was like eight people.

545
00:20:54,571 --> 00:20:58,573
And they gave us the reasons.
It was like eight people.
And [chuckles] again, I'm glad I

546
00:20:58,575 --> 00:21:00,942
it was like eight people.
And [chuckles] again, I'm glad I
stuck to my guns.

547
00:21:00,944 --> 00:21:03,611
And [chuckles] again, I'm glad I
stuck to my guns.
It became the biggest song of me

548
00:21:03,613 --> 00:21:05,613
stuck to my guns.
It became the biggest song of me
and my sister's career.

549
00:21:05,615 --> 00:21:07,798
It became the biggest song of me
and my sister's career.
Some people want to put you on a

550
00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:09,967
and my sister's career.
Some people want to put you on a
pedestal and say life has to be

551
00:21:09,969 --> 00:21:10,751
some people want to put you on a
pedestal and say life has to be
perfect.

552
00:21:10,753 --> 00:21:12,086
Pedestal and say life has to be
perfect.
Well, no, no, no.

553
00:21:12,088 --> 00:21:14,105
Perfect.
Well, no, no, no.
Life is way far from perfect.

554
00:21:14,107 --> 00:21:16,057
Well, no, no, no.
Life is way far from perfect.
I'm not perfect, but I'm not

555
00:21:16,059 --> 00:21:18,192
life is way far from perfect.
I'm not perfect, but I'm not
afraid to let you know I'm not

556
00:21:18,194 --> 00:21:18,943
I'm not perfect, but I'm not
afraid to let you know I'm not
perfect.

557
00:21:18,945 --> 00:21:21,062
Afraid to let you know I'm not
perfect.
God is perfect, and if I

558
00:21:21,064 --> 00:21:23,698
perfect.
God is perfect, and if I
continue to follow after him, I

559
00:21:23,700 --> 00:21:26,233
god is perfect, and if I
continue to follow after him, I
will arrive to where I need to

560
00:21:26,235 --> 00:21:27,034
continue to follow after him, I
will arrive to where I need to
to be.

561
00:21:27,036 --> 00:21:29,453
Will arrive to where I need to
to be.
And in that journey, there's

562
00:21:29,455 --> 00:21:31,539
to be.
And in that journey, there's
gonna be some mistakes.

563
00:21:31,541 --> 00:21:34,458
And in that journey, there's
gonna be some mistakes.
Um...And there were.

564
00:21:34,460 --> 00:21:38,879
Gonna be some mistakes.
Um...And there were.
♪

565
00:21:38,881 --> 00:21:41,649
um...And there were.
♪
I think some people would be

566
00:21:41,651 --> 00:21:44,719
♪
I think some people would be
surprised to learn and know that

567
00:21:44,721 --> 00:21:47,188
I think some people would be
surprised to learn and know that
80% of me and my sister's

568
00:21:47,190 --> 00:21:50,324
surprised to learn and know that
80% of me and my sister's
success was on the r&b radio, on

569
00:21:50,326 --> 00:21:53,411
80% of me and my sister's
success was on the r&b radio, on
mainstream radio and not gospel

570
00:21:53,413 --> 00:21:54,362
success was on the r&b radio, on
mainstream radio and not gospel
radio.

571
00:21:54,364 --> 00:21:56,664
Mainstream radio and not gospel
radio.
Matter of fact, we weren't being

572
00:21:56,666 --> 00:21:58,699
radio.
Matter of fact, we weren't being
played on gospel radio until

573
00:21:58,701 --> 00:22:00,034
matter of fact, we weren't being
played on gospel radio until
"iou me."

574
00:22:00,036 --> 00:22:01,952
played on gospel radio until
"iou me."
that was the name of the record.

575
00:22:01,954 --> 00:22:03,571
"iou me."
that was the name of the record.
And it was being played on

576
00:22:03,573 --> 00:22:05,072
that was the name of the record.
And it was being played on
the wave in los angeles,

577
00:22:05,074 --> 00:22:07,575
and it was being played on
the wave in los angeles,
california, and with that

578
00:22:07,577 --> 00:22:11,162
the wave in los angeles,
california, and with that
success, then we got invited to

579
00:22:11,164 --> 00:22:13,581
california, and with that
success, then we got invited to
the gospel conferences.

580
00:22:13,583 --> 00:22:16,100
Success, then we got invited to
the gospel conferences.
[ laughs ]

581
00:22:16,102 --> 00:22:16,550
the gospel conferences.
[ laughs ]
yes.

582
00:22:16,552 --> 00:22:18,519
[ laughs ]
yes.
And you still got to love people

583
00:22:18,521 --> 00:22:20,221
yes.
And you still got to love people
when they don't invite you in

584
00:22:20,223 --> 00:22:21,222
and you still got to love people
when they don't invite you in
the beginning.

585
00:22:21,224 --> 00:22:22,807
When they don't invite you in
the beginning.
Um...

586
00:22:22,809 --> 00:22:25,376
The beginning.
Um...
But what the pastors didn't know

587
00:22:25,378 --> 00:22:28,996
um...
But what the pastors didn't know
is that every song I wrote, I

588
00:22:28,998 --> 00:22:31,666
but what the pastors didn't know
is that every song I wrote, I
played it for one audience.

589
00:22:31,668 --> 00:22:33,834
Is that every song I wrote, I
played it for one audience.
And that one audience was my

590
00:22:33,836 --> 00:22:34,468
played it for one audience.
And that one audience was my
mom.

591
00:22:34,470 --> 00:22:37,805
And that one audience was my
mom.
And if my mom said, "I like

592
00:22:37,807 --> 00:22:40,508
mom.
And if my mom said, "I like
that," I didn't care what people

593
00:22:40,510 --> 00:22:41,242
and if my mom said, "I like
that," I didn't care what people
said.

594
00:22:41,244 --> 00:22:44,011
That," I didn't care what people
said.
And so the "lost without you,"

595
00:22:44,013 --> 00:22:47,348
said.
And so the "lost without you,"
all the criticism...

596
00:22:47,350 --> 00:22:49,066
And so the "lost without you,"
all the criticism...
"that's devil music" and "you

597
00:22:49,068 --> 00:22:50,551
all the criticism...
"that's devil music" and "you
didn't have jesus in your

598
00:22:50,553 --> 00:22:52,186
"that's devil music" and "you
didn't have jesus in your
lyrics," well, it was about

599
00:22:52,188 --> 00:22:52,720
didn't have jesus in your
lyrics," well, it was about
jesus.

600
00:22:52,722 --> 00:22:55,773
Lyrics," well, it was about
jesus.
You -- "it's a little bit too

601
00:22:55,775 --> 00:22:56,724
jesus.
You -- "it's a little bit too
edgy."

602
00:22:56,726 --> 00:22:59,193
you -- "it's a little bit too
edgy."
well, I like edges.

603
00:22:59,195 --> 00:23:00,644
Edgy."
well, I like edges.
You know?

604
00:23:00,646 --> 00:23:04,899
Well, I like edges.
You know?
I was unafraid to approach

605
00:23:04,901 --> 00:23:08,736
you know?
I was unafraid to approach
my writing and my style and the

606
00:23:08,738 --> 00:23:10,454
I was unafraid to approach
my writing and my style and the
production.

607
00:23:10,456 --> 00:23:12,907
My writing and my style and the
production.
I felt as if god deserved the

608
00:23:12,909 --> 00:23:15,126
production.
I felt as if god deserved the
best, so I wanted the best

609
00:23:15,128 --> 00:23:16,577
I felt as if god deserved the
best, so I wanted the best
guitar players.

610
00:23:16,579 --> 00:23:19,246
Best, so I wanted the best
guitar players.
I wanted the best producers, the

611
00:23:19,248 --> 00:23:22,133
guitar players.
I wanted the best producers, the
best rangers.

612
00:23:22,135 --> 00:23:22,750
I wanted the best producers, the
best rangers.
And that's what we went for.

613
00:23:27,572 --> 00:23:33,911
>> winans:
Whitney elizabeth houston.
What a -- what a wonderful

614
00:23:33,913 --> 00:23:34,745
whitney elizabeth houston.
What a -- what a wonderful
sister.

615
00:23:34,747 --> 00:23:36,414
What a -- what a wonderful
sister.
Beyond friendship.

616
00:23:36,416 --> 00:23:37,998
Sister.
Beyond friendship.
We became family.

617
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,968
Beyond friendship.
We became family.
I met whitney when she was

618
00:23:40,970 --> 00:23:44,054
we became family.
I met whitney when she was
opening for jeffrey osborne

619
00:23:44,056 --> 00:23:46,690
I met whitney when she was
opening for jeffrey osborne
and she was also singing in her

620
00:23:46,692 --> 00:23:49,360
opening for jeffrey osborne
and she was also singing in her
set the song "tomorrow," by my

621
00:23:49,362 --> 00:23:50,444
and she was also singing in her
set the song "tomorrow," by my
brothers."

622
00:23:50,446 --> 00:23:54,064
set the song "tomorrow," by my
brothers."
she sang, and then she came

623
00:23:54,066 --> 00:23:57,101
brothers."
she sang, and then she came
to meet us in the room.

624
00:23:57,103 --> 00:24:00,805
She sang, and then she came
to meet us in the room.
And when she walked out of her

625
00:24:00,807 --> 00:24:03,040
to meet us in the room.
And when she walked out of her
dressing room, I remember me

626
00:24:03,042 --> 00:24:05,276
and when she walked out of her
dressing room, I remember me
just saying, "I just want to

627
00:24:05,278 --> 00:24:07,995
dressing room, I remember me
just saying, "I just want to
know what church you come from,

628
00:24:07,997 --> 00:24:08,963
just saying, "I just want to
know what church you come from,
because you had to sing in

629
00:24:08,965 --> 00:24:10,014
know what church you come from,
because you had to sing in
church when you was little."

630
00:24:10,016 --> 00:24:11,015
because you had to sing in
church when you was little."
and she looked up at me and

631
00:24:11,017 --> 00:24:12,850
church when you was little."
and she looked up at me and
said, "new hope baptist."

632
00:24:12,852 --> 00:24:15,069
and she looked up at me and
said, "new hope baptist."
I said, "I knew it. I knew it.

633
00:24:15,071 --> 00:24:16,654
Said, "new hope baptist."
I said, "I knew it. I knew it.
Nobody sings like that unless

634
00:24:16,656 --> 00:24:17,905
I said, "I knew it. I knew it.
Nobody sings like that unless
they've had the kind of

635
00:24:17,907 --> 00:24:20,407
nobody sings like that unless
they've had the kind of
upbringing that we had."

636
00:24:20,409 --> 00:24:22,860
they've had the kind of
upbringing that we had."
and right then and there, we

637
00:24:22,862 --> 00:24:24,778
upbringing that we had."
and right then and there, we
became great friends.

638
00:24:24,780 --> 00:24:26,397
And right then and there, we
became great friends.
♪

639
00:24:26,399 --> 00:24:30,000
became great friends.
♪
one of the moments for cece when

640
00:24:30,002 --> 00:24:33,404
♪
one of the moments for cece when
cece first met her, we were at

641
00:24:33,406 --> 00:24:35,573
one of the moments for cece when
cece first met her, we were at
the award show, and cece and I

642
00:24:35,575 --> 00:24:37,775
cece first met her, we were at
the award show, and cece and I
are -- our award was early, and

643
00:24:37,777 --> 00:24:40,110
the award show, and cece and I
are -- our award was early, and
so I went down front, cece with

644
00:24:40,112 --> 00:24:41,445
are -- our award was early, and
so I went down front, cece with
me, looking for whitney,

645
00:24:41,447 --> 00:24:42,112
so I went down front, cece with
me, looking for whitney,
actually.

646
00:24:42,114 --> 00:24:44,482
Me, looking for whitney,
actually.
And I heard this person say,

647
00:24:44,484 --> 00:24:46,984
actually.
And I heard this person say,
"who you looking for with your

648
00:24:46,986 --> 00:24:48,035
and I heard this person say,
"who you looking for with your
big head?"

649
00:24:48,037 --> 00:24:49,537
"who you looking for with your
big head?"
and I turned around and it was

650
00:24:49,539 --> 00:24:50,120
big head?"
and I turned around and it was
whitney.

651
00:24:50,122 --> 00:24:51,705
And I turned around and it was
whitney.
She stood up and we laughed.

652
00:24:51,707 --> 00:24:52,823
Whitney.
She stood up and we laughed.
And I said, "whitney, cece.

653
00:24:52,825 --> 00:24:53,574
She stood up and we laughed.
And I said, "whitney, cece.
Cece, whitney."

654
00:24:53,576 --> 00:24:54,658
and I said, "whitney, cece.
Cece, whitney."
and they just hugged each other,

655
00:24:54,660 --> 00:24:55,326
cece, whitney."
and they just hugged each other,
and it's like...

656
00:24:55,328 --> 00:24:56,210
And they just hugged each other,
and it's like...
And she says, "where y'all

657
00:24:56,212 --> 00:24:56,577
and it's like...
And she says, "where y'all
going?"

658
00:24:56,579 --> 00:24:58,629
and she says, "where y'all
going?"
and I said, "oh, we got to leave

659
00:24:58,631 --> 00:25:00,498
going?"
and I said, "oh, we got to leave
because we have two concerts.

660
00:25:00,500 --> 00:25:01,882
And I said, "oh, we got to leave
because we have two concerts.
The 9:00 and 12:00."

661
00:25:01,884 --> 00:25:03,050
because we have two concerts.
The 9:00 and 12:00."
and she said, "okay, I'm coming

662
00:25:03,052 --> 00:25:03,667
the 9:00 and 12:00."
and she said, "okay, I'm coming
to the 12:00."

663
00:25:03,669 --> 00:25:05,503
and she said, "okay, I'm coming
to the 12:00."
it's like, "girl, you ain't

664
00:25:05,505 --> 00:25:06,971
to the 12:00."
it's like, "girl, you ain't
coming to no 12:00."

665
00:25:06,973 --> 00:25:11,575
it's like, "girl, you ain't
coming to no 12:00."
and at 11:55, whitney houston

666
00:25:11,577 --> 00:25:15,796
coming to no 12:00."
and at 11:55, whitney houston
walks into this little club

667
00:25:15,798 --> 00:25:17,965
and at 11:55, whitney houston
walks into this little club
that me and cece were singing

668
00:25:17,967 --> 00:25:18,465
walks into this little club
that me and cece were singing
at.

669
00:25:18,467 --> 00:25:21,969
That me and cece were singing
at.
And before that concert was

670
00:25:21,971 --> 00:25:25,256
at.
And before that concert was
over, she was on stage singing

671
00:25:25,258 --> 00:25:27,491
and before that concert was
over, she was on stage singing
"love said not so."

672
00:25:27,493 --> 00:25:29,593
over, she was on stage singing
"love said not so."
after that, we talked about her

673
00:25:29,595 --> 00:25:30,427
"love said not so."
after that, we talked about her
recording.

674
00:25:30,429 --> 00:25:31,929
After that, we talked about her
recording.
And she said, "yes."

675
00:25:31,931 --> 00:25:33,764
recording.
And she said, "yes."
um...

676
00:25:33,766 --> 00:25:36,066
And she said, "yes."
um...
That was interesting, because

677
00:25:36,068 --> 00:25:38,986
um...
That was interesting, because
she was whitney houston, and

678
00:25:38,988 --> 00:25:41,705
that was interesting, because
she was whitney houston, and
whitney told me that her record

679
00:25:41,707 --> 00:25:44,458
she was whitney houston, and
whitney told me that her record
company, arista records, and her

680
00:25:44,460 --> 00:25:46,961
whitney told me that her record
company, arista records, and her
attorney would call and for me

681
00:25:46,963 --> 00:25:49,513
company, arista records, and her
attorney would call and for me
to give her the information of

682
00:25:49,515 --> 00:25:51,632
attorney would call and for me
to give her the information of
what we were going to do.

683
00:25:51,634 --> 00:25:53,884
To give her the information of
what we were going to do.
I received the phone call, and

684
00:25:53,886 --> 00:25:56,887
what we were going to do.
I received the phone call, and
they simply very nicely said,

685
00:25:56,889 --> 00:25:59,023
I received the phone call, and
they simply very nicely said,
"I know whitney wants to do

686
00:25:59,025 --> 00:26:01,392
they simply very nicely said,
"I know whitney wants to do
this, but her contract is gonna

687
00:26:01,394 --> 00:26:03,060
"I know whitney wants to do
this, but her contract is gonna
allow her to do so."

688
00:26:03,062 --> 00:26:04,895
this, but her contract is gonna
allow her to do so."
and maybe five minutes later,

689
00:26:04,897 --> 00:26:06,764
allow her to do so."
and maybe five minutes later,
whitney called and said, "hey,

690
00:26:06,766 --> 00:26:08,098
and maybe five minutes later,
whitney called and said, "hey,
did they call you?"

691
00:26:08,100 --> 00:26:10,150
whitney called and said, "hey,
did they call you?"
I said, "yeah, they called, sis,

692
00:26:10,152 --> 00:26:11,602
did they call you?"
I said, "yeah, they called, sis,
but...And it's okay."

693
00:26:11,604 --> 00:26:13,237
I said, "yeah, they called, sis,
but...And it's okay."
she said -- [ laughter ]

694
00:26:13,239 --> 00:26:14,688
but...And it's okay."
she said -- [ laughter ]
she said, "what's okay?"

695
00:26:14,690 --> 00:26:16,190
she said -- [ laughter ]
she said, "what's okay?"
I said, "well, whitney, you

696
00:26:16,192 --> 00:26:16,991
she said, "what's okay?"
I said, "well, whitney, you
can't do it.

697
00:26:16,993 --> 00:26:18,242
I said, "well, whitney, you
can't do it.
I mean, they said your

698
00:26:18,244 --> 00:26:19,026
can't do it.
I mean, they said your
contract --"

699
00:26:19,028 --> 00:26:20,694
I mean, they said your
contract --"
she said, "they said I can't do

700
00:26:20,696 --> 00:26:21,111
contract --"
she said, "they said I can't do
it?"

701
00:26:21,113 --> 00:26:22,029
she said, "they said I can't do
it?"
I said, "yeah, but I

702
00:26:22,031 --> 00:26:22,613
it?"
I said, "yeah, but I
understand."

703
00:26:22,615 --> 00:26:23,530
I said, "yeah, but I
understand."
"understand nothing."

704
00:26:23,532 --> 00:26:24,782
understand."
"understand nothing."
she said, "hang up this phone,"

705
00:26:24,784 --> 00:26:25,783
"understand nothing."
she said, "hang up this phone,"
and she hung up on me.

706
00:26:25,785 --> 00:26:26,617
She said, "hang up this phone,"
and she hung up on me.
[ chuckles ]

707
00:26:26,619 --> 00:26:28,035
and she hung up on me.
[ chuckles ]
then about two minutes later, I

708
00:26:28,037 --> 00:26:29,453
[ chuckles ]
then about two minutes later, I
got a phone call from the same

709
00:26:29,455 --> 00:26:30,621
then about two minutes later, I
got a phone call from the same
people saying, "hey, bebe,

710
00:26:30,623 --> 00:26:31,956
got a phone call from the same
people saying, "hey, bebe,
you know, whitney's gonna be

711
00:26:31,958 --> 00:26:32,790
people saying, "hey, bebe,
you know, whitney's gonna be
able to do this.

712
00:26:32,792 --> 00:26:34,124
You know, whitney's gonna be
able to do this.
The contract really is gonna

713
00:26:34,126 --> 00:26:34,625
able to do this.
The contract really is gonna
allow."

714
00:26:34,627 --> 00:26:36,710
the contract really is gonna
allow."
I was like, "oh, my god.

715
00:26:36,712 --> 00:26:38,796
Allow."
I was like, "oh, my god.
What did she say to those

716
00:26:38,798 --> 00:26:39,763
I was like, "oh, my god.
What did she say to those
people?"

717
00:26:39,765 --> 00:26:40,881
what did she say to those
people?"
[ laughs ]

718
00:26:40,883 --> 00:26:43,434
people?"
[ laughs ]
but we met up in new york, and

719
00:26:43,436 --> 00:26:45,736
[ laughs ]
but we met up in new york, and
we did "hold up the light."

720
00:26:45,738 --> 00:26:49,206
but we met up in new york, and
we did "hold up the light."
when she walked into the room,

721
00:26:49,208 --> 00:26:49,773
we did "hold up the light."
when she walked into the room,
wow.

722
00:26:49,775 --> 00:26:51,642
When she walked into the room,
wow.
It was just...It was like

723
00:26:51,644 --> 00:26:54,311
wow.
It was just...It was like
greatness was walking in.

724
00:26:54,313 --> 00:26:57,731
It was just...It was like
greatness was walking in.
And really beyond her vocal

725
00:26:57,733 --> 00:27:01,702
greatness was walking in.
And really beyond her vocal
ability, we really met the heart

726
00:27:01,704 --> 00:27:03,487
and really beyond her vocal
ability, we really met the heart
of whitney houston.

727
00:27:03,489 --> 00:27:06,156
Ability, we really met the heart
of whitney houston.
♪

728
00:27:06,158 --> 00:27:10,327
of whitney houston.
♪
so, beyond the relationship with

729
00:27:10,329 --> 00:27:14,498
♪
so, beyond the relationship with
whitney and music, in the height

730
00:27:14,500 --> 00:27:16,050
so, beyond the relationship with
whitney and music, in the height
of "I wanna dance with

731
00:27:16,052 --> 00:27:17,384
whitney and music, in the height
of "I wanna dance with
somebody"...

732
00:27:17,386 --> 00:27:18,902
Of "I wanna dance with
somebody"...
>> ♪ don't you wanna dance ♪

733
00:27:18,904 --> 00:27:20,037
somebody"...
>> ♪ don't you wanna dance ♪
♪ don't you wanna dance, don't

734
00:27:20,039 --> 00:27:21,372
>> ♪ don't you wanna dance ♪
♪ don't you wanna dance, don't
you wanna dance, don't you wanna

735
00:27:21,374 --> 00:27:23,007
♪ don't you wanna dance, don't
you wanna dance, don't you wanna
dance? ♪

736
00:27:23,009 --> 00:27:25,876
you wanna dance, don't you wanna
dance? ♪
>> winans: ...Whitney would do

737
00:27:25,878 --> 00:27:28,045
dance? ♪
>> winans: ...Whitney would do
things that would anger

738
00:27:28,047 --> 00:27:30,781
>> winans: ...Whitney would do
things that would anger
especially her record company,

739
00:27:30,783 --> 00:27:33,117
things that would anger
especially her record company,
that would shock us.

740
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,052
Especially her record company,
that would shock us.
She decided that she was going

741
00:27:35,054 --> 00:27:36,854
that would shock us.
She decided that she was going
to go on tour with me and my

742
00:27:36,856 --> 00:27:38,422
she decided that she was going
to go on tour with me and my
sister, and she was gonna sing

743
00:27:38,424 --> 00:27:39,123
to go on tour with me and my
sister, and she was gonna sing
background.

744
00:27:39,125 --> 00:27:40,290
Sister, and she was gonna sing
background.
It was like, "you gonna do

745
00:27:40,292 --> 00:27:40,674
background.
It was like, "you gonna do
what?"

746
00:27:40,676 --> 00:27:41,291
it was like, "you gonna do
what?"
[ chuckles ]

747
00:27:41,293 --> 00:27:42,209
what?"
[ chuckles ]
"I'm gonna sing background."

748
00:27:42,211 --> 00:27:45,929
[ chuckles ]
"I'm gonna sing background."
and so she had us come to her

749
00:27:45,931 --> 00:27:49,433
"I'm gonna sing background."
and so she had us come to her
home in new jersey, and she

750
00:27:49,435 --> 00:27:54,071
and so she had us come to her
home in new jersey, and she
showed us what she had made for

751
00:27:54,073 --> 00:27:56,490
home in new jersey, and she
showed us what she had made for
me and my sister's first

752
00:27:56,492 --> 00:27:58,942
showed us what she had made for
me and my sister's first
national tour, which was

753
00:27:58,944 --> 00:28:01,161
me and my sister's first
national tour, which was
wardrobe.

754
00:28:01,163 --> 00:28:04,014
National tour, which was
wardrobe.
One of the first things we

755
00:28:04,016 --> 00:28:06,934
wardrobe.
One of the first things we
learned on tour was that we

756
00:28:06,936 --> 00:28:09,153
one of the first things we
learned on tour was that we
really didn't have authority

757
00:28:09,155 --> 00:28:10,771
learned on tour was that we
really didn't have authority
over the bus driver.

758
00:28:10,773 --> 00:28:13,107
Really didn't have authority
over the bus driver.
But not until whitney came on.

759
00:28:13,109 --> 00:28:15,192
Over the bus driver.
But not until whitney came on.
We finished the concert.

760
00:28:15,194 --> 00:28:17,161
But not until whitney came on.
We finished the concert.
I forget where we were.

761
00:28:17,163 --> 00:28:18,779
We finished the concert.
I forget where we were.
She got on the bus with us and

762
00:28:18,781 --> 00:28:20,497
I forget where we were.
She got on the bus with us and
we're just talking, and she

763
00:28:20,499 --> 00:28:22,032
she got on the bus with us and
we're just talking, and she
said, "are y'all hungry?"

764
00:28:22,034 --> 00:28:23,367
we're just talking, and she
said, "are y'all hungry?"
we said, "yeah, we're hungry,

765
00:28:23,369 --> 00:28:24,668
said, "are y'all hungry?"
we said, "yeah, we're hungry,
but the bus driver, he won't

766
00:28:24,670 --> 00:28:27,454
we said, "yeah, we're hungry,
but the bus driver, he won't
stop [laughs] until we get to

767
00:28:27,456 --> 00:28:29,089
but the bus driver, he won't
stop [laughs] until we get to
the next city."

768
00:28:29,091 --> 00:28:31,425
stop [laughs] until we get to
the next city."
and she said -- [ laughs ]

769
00:28:31,427 --> 00:28:33,093
the next city."
and she said -- [ laughs ]
"he told y'all that?"

770
00:28:33,095 --> 00:28:34,511
and she said -- [ laughs ]
"he told y'all that?"
so, she left the conversation.

771
00:28:34,513 --> 00:28:35,946
"he told y'all that?"
so, she left the conversation.
She went up to the front of the

772
00:28:35,948 --> 00:28:37,448
so, she left the conversation.
She went up to the front of the
bus, and she said, "did you tell

773
00:28:37,450 --> 00:28:38,916
she went up to the front of the
bus, and she said, "did you tell
them that you wasn't gonna

774
00:28:38,918 --> 00:28:39,450
bus, and she said, "did you tell
them that you wasn't gonna
stop?"

775
00:28:39,452 --> 00:28:41,285
them that you wasn't gonna
stop?"
[ laughs ]

776
00:28:41,287 --> 00:28:42,753
stop?"
[ laughs ]
and then she looked around and

777
00:28:42,755 --> 00:28:44,254
[ laughs ]
and then she looked around and
said, "has he been making up the

778
00:28:44,256 --> 00:28:44,671
and then she looked around and
said, "has he been making up the
beds?"

779
00:28:44,673 --> 00:28:46,707
said, "has he been making up the
beds?"
[ laughs ]

780
00:28:46,709 --> 00:28:49,626
beds?"
[ laughs ]
so, she schooled us on how to

781
00:28:49,628 --> 00:28:52,196
[ laughs ]
so, she schooled us on how to
tour, what to expect from

782
00:28:52,198 --> 00:28:55,265
so, she schooled us on how to
tour, what to expect from
everyone, and it was like, wow.

783
00:28:55,267 --> 00:28:59,269
Tour, what to expect from
everyone, and it was like, wow.
We learned so much about touring

784
00:28:59,271 --> 00:29:00,637
everyone, and it was like, wow.
We learned so much about touring
from whitney houston.

785
00:29:00,639 --> 00:29:04,691
We learned so much about touring
from whitney houston.
I learned so much about the

786
00:29:04,693 --> 00:29:07,678
from whitney houston.
I learned so much about the
business from whitney houston.

787
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,847
I learned so much about the
business from whitney houston.
♪

788
00:29:09,849 --> 00:29:11,615
business from whitney houston.
♪
so, you have to understand, my

789
00:29:11,617 --> 00:29:13,350
♪
so, you have to understand, my
daughter, miya, was whitney's

790
00:29:13,352 --> 00:29:14,218
so, you have to understand, my
daughter, miya, was whitney's
goddaughter.

791
00:29:14,220 --> 00:29:16,286
Daughter, miya, was whitney's
goddaughter.
And her daughter,

792
00:29:16,288 --> 00:29:19,223
goddaughter.
And her daughter,
bobbi kristina, was cece's

793
00:29:19,225 --> 00:29:20,791
and her daughter,
bobbi kristina, was cece's
goddaughter.

794
00:29:20,793 --> 00:29:21,959
Bobbi kristina, was cece's
goddaughter.
Um...

795
00:29:21,961 --> 00:29:24,628
Goddaughter.
Um...
You know, whitney was determined

796
00:29:24,630 --> 00:29:28,932
um...
You know, whitney was determined
that we would be family, and

797
00:29:28,934 --> 00:29:30,768
you know, whitney was determined
that we would be family, and
so I remember being at one of my

798
00:29:30,770 --> 00:29:32,136
that we would be family, and
so I remember being at one of my
favorite restaurants in

799
00:29:32,138 --> 00:29:33,720
so I remember being at one of my
favorite restaurants in
nashville, tennessee, and my

800
00:29:33,722 --> 00:29:35,456
favorite restaurants in
nashville, tennessee, and my
phone was ringing a lot, and I

801
00:29:35,458 --> 00:29:37,374
nashville, tennessee, and my
phone was ringing a lot, and I
was just ignoring all the calls.

802
00:29:37,376 --> 00:29:40,144
Phone was ringing a lot, and I
was just ignoring all the calls.
And then I saw a call from my

803
00:29:40,146 --> 00:29:40,878
was just ignoring all the calls.
And then I saw a call from my
mom.

804
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,713
And then I saw a call from my
mom.
And I picked up the phone and

805
00:29:42,715 --> 00:29:44,515
mom.
And I picked up the phone and
said, "why everybody calling

806
00:29:44,517 --> 00:29:45,015
and I picked up the phone and
said, "why everybody calling
me?"

807
00:29:45,017 --> 00:29:47,468
said, "why everybody calling
me?"
and she said, "oh, you haven't

808
00:29:47,470 --> 00:29:48,352
me?"
and she said, "oh, you haven't
heard."

809
00:29:48,354 --> 00:29:50,554
and she said, "oh, you haven't
heard."
I said, "haven't heard what,

810
00:29:50,556 --> 00:29:51,188
heard."
I said, "haven't heard what,
ma?"

811
00:29:51,190 --> 00:29:54,224
I said, "haven't heard what,
ma?"
and she gave me that news that

812
00:29:54,226 --> 00:29:57,811
ma?"
and she gave me that news that
whitney...Had passed away.

813
00:29:57,813 --> 00:29:59,363
And she gave me that news that
whitney...Had passed away.
And I remember looking at the

814
00:29:59,365 --> 00:30:00,814
whitney...Had passed away.
And I remember looking at the
television that was over the

815
00:30:00,816 --> 00:30:04,401
and I remember looking at the
television that was over the
bar, and it was flashing by --

816
00:30:04,403 --> 00:30:07,738
television that was over the
bar, and it was flashing by --
"whitney houston," you know,

817
00:30:07,740 --> 00:30:09,406
bar, and it was flashing by --
"whitney houston," you know,
"dies, 48."

818
00:30:09,408 --> 00:30:13,243
"whitney houston," you know,
"dies, 48."
and I just remember shaking.

819
00:30:13,245 --> 00:30:14,661
"dies, 48."
and I just remember shaking.
I remember shaking

820
00:30:14,663 --> 00:30:15,913
and I just remember shaking.
I remember shaking
uncontrollably.

821
00:30:15,915 --> 00:30:18,715
I remember shaking
uncontrollably.
And we left out the restaurant,

822
00:30:18,717 --> 00:30:21,585
uncontrollably.
And we left out the restaurant,
and right before I reached home,

823
00:30:21,587 --> 00:30:25,506
and we left out the restaurant,
and right before I reached home,
I get a call from cissy houston,

824
00:30:25,508 --> 00:30:28,642
and right before I reached home,
I get a call from cissy houston,
from whitney's mom.

825
00:30:28,644 --> 00:30:31,428
I get a call from cissy houston,
from whitney's mom.
And I answered the phone, and

826
00:30:31,430 --> 00:30:34,264
from whitney's mom.
And I answered the phone, and
cissy said, "bebe, I'm calling

827
00:30:34,266 --> 00:30:37,184
and I answered the phone, and
cissy said, "bebe, I'm calling
to check on you, because I know

828
00:30:37,186 --> 00:30:39,186
cissy said, "bebe, I'm calling
to check on you, because I know
what you meant to my daughter

829
00:30:39,188 --> 00:30:41,154
to check on you, because I know
what you meant to my daughter
and what my daughter meant to

830
00:30:41,156 --> 00:30:41,772
what you meant to my daughter
and what my daughter meant to
you."

831
00:30:41,774 --> 00:30:45,492
and what my daughter meant to
you."
I just remember pulling over,

832
00:30:45,494 --> 00:30:48,612
you."
I just remember pulling over,
and that's when the dam broke

833
00:30:48,614 --> 00:30:51,114
I just remember pulling over,
and that's when the dam broke
and I just wept.

834
00:30:51,116 --> 00:30:54,368
And that's when the dam broke
and I just wept.
It was a hard one.

835
00:30:54,370 --> 00:30:57,404
And I just wept.
It was a hard one.
Prior to whitney's passing, you

836
00:30:57,406 --> 00:31:00,541
it was a hard one.
Prior to whitney's passing, you
know, my brother passed, ronald,

837
00:31:00,543 --> 00:31:03,660
prior to whitney's passing, you
know, my brother passed, ronald,
and he was 48 years old as well.

838
00:31:03,662 --> 00:31:09,266
Know, my brother passed, ronald,
and he was 48 years old as well.
And it is still a very emotional

839
00:31:09,268 --> 00:31:12,436
and he was 48 years old as well.
And it is still a very emotional
reality for me.

840
00:31:12,438 --> 00:31:15,172
And it is still a very emotional
reality for me.
If I talk about him too long, I

841
00:31:15,174 --> 00:31:17,658
reality for me.
If I talk about him too long, I
can break easily into a cry.

842
00:31:17,660 --> 00:31:19,910
If I talk about him too long, I
can break easily into a cry.
He was my hero.

843
00:31:19,912 --> 00:31:21,879
Can break easily into a cry.
He was my hero.
He really was. Fun.

844
00:31:21,881 --> 00:31:23,580
He was my hero.
He really was. Fun.
Um...

845
00:31:23,582 --> 00:31:26,133
He really was. Fun.
Um...
Ronald believed in me more than

846
00:31:26,135 --> 00:31:27,968
um...
Ronald believed in me more than
I believed in myself.

847
00:31:27,970 --> 00:31:31,305
Ronald believed in me more than
I believed in myself.
And that's unusual, you know?

848
00:31:31,307 --> 00:31:33,056
I believed in myself.
And that's unusual, you know?
Sometimes, especially in

849
00:31:33,058 --> 00:31:35,259
and that's unusual, you know?
Sometimes, especially in
entertainment, people can become

850
00:31:35,261 --> 00:31:36,977
sometimes, especially in
entertainment, people can become
very selfish and want to

851
00:31:36,979 --> 00:31:38,929
entertainment, people can become
very selfish and want to
accomplish things, you know,

852
00:31:38,931 --> 00:31:40,981
very selfish and want to
accomplish things, you know,
that they want to accomplish.

853
00:31:40,983 --> 00:31:43,684
Accomplish things, you know,
that they want to accomplish.
But ronald was that man, that

854
00:31:43,686 --> 00:31:46,570
that they want to accomplish.
But ronald was that man, that
force in my life, that believed

855
00:31:46,572 --> 00:31:49,506
but ronald was that man, that
force in my life, that believed
and wanted me to believe in what

856
00:31:49,508 --> 00:31:51,408
force in my life, that believed
and wanted me to believe in what
I could accomplish.

857
00:31:51,410 --> 00:31:55,779
And wanted me to believe in what
I could accomplish.
And so losing him, I lost a lot

858
00:31:55,781 --> 00:31:59,182
I could accomplish.
And so losing him, I lost a lot
of my belief in myself.

859
00:31:59,184 --> 00:32:02,319
And so losing him, I lost a lot
of my belief in myself.
♪

860
00:32:02,321 --> 00:32:05,422
of my belief in myself.
♪
I've learned to live with that

861
00:32:05,424 --> 00:32:10,627
♪
I've learned to live with that
reality of a altered happy life.

862
00:32:10,629 --> 00:32:14,197
I've learned to live with that
reality of a altered happy life.
Um, and so now I can smile when

863
00:32:14,199 --> 00:32:16,099
reality of a altered happy life.
Um, and so now I can smile when
I hear her sing.

864
00:32:16,101 --> 00:32:19,303
Um, and so now I can smile when
I hear her sing.
I can smile when I think of the

865
00:32:19,305 --> 00:32:22,372
I hear her sing.
I can smile when I think of the
moments we created -- and you

866
00:32:22,374 --> 00:32:24,608
I can smile when I think of the
moments we created -- and you
have to understand.

867
00:32:24,610 --> 00:32:25,943
Moments we created -- and you
have to understand.
Her love was real.

868
00:32:25,945 --> 00:32:28,111
Have to understand.
Her love was real.
And if she loved you, she really

869
00:32:28,113 --> 00:32:29,846
her love was real.
And if she loved you, she really
did love you, and she was

870
00:32:29,848 --> 00:32:33,050
and if she loved you, she really
did love you, and she was
concerned about everything

871
00:32:33,052 --> 00:32:34,434
did love you, and she was
concerned about everything
about you.

872
00:32:34,436 --> 00:32:37,771
Concerned about everything
about you.
And you don't find many of those

873
00:32:37,773 --> 00:32:38,305
about you.
And you don't find many of those
in the world we live in.

874
00:32:41,125 --> 00:32:48,298
♪
>> winans: The song
"black lives matter," I wrote

875
00:32:48,300 --> 00:32:51,501
>> winans: The song
"black lives matter," I wrote
that song when the young man

876
00:32:51,503 --> 00:32:54,771
"black lives matter," I wrote
that song when the young man
freddie was -- was killed...

877
00:32:54,773 --> 00:32:56,974
That song when the young man
freddie was -- was killed...
By the hands of the police.

878
00:32:56,976 --> 00:32:59,376
Freddie was -- was killed...
By the hands of the police.
And I remember standing in the

879
00:32:59,378 --> 00:33:02,412
by the hands of the police.
And I remember standing in the
middle of my living room,

880
00:33:02,414 --> 00:33:07,000
and I remember standing in the
middle of my living room,
weeping because I saw my son.

881
00:33:07,002 --> 00:33:09,453
Middle of my living room,
weeping because I saw my son.
And I remember walking to the

882
00:33:09,455 --> 00:33:12,072
weeping because I saw my son.
And I remember walking to the
piano room, and I wrote the song

883
00:33:12,074 --> 00:33:13,907
and I remember walking to the
piano room, and I wrote the song
"black lives matter."

884
00:33:13,909 --> 00:33:16,576
piano room, and I wrote the song
"black lives matter."
and then I put it aside.

885
00:33:16,578 --> 00:33:19,162
"black lives matter."
and then I put it aside.
And then after the murder of

886
00:33:19,164 --> 00:33:22,049
and then I put it aside.
And then after the murder of
george floyd, I remember saying

887
00:33:22,051 --> 00:33:24,668
and then after the murder of
george floyd, I remember saying
to myself, "I need to record

888
00:33:24,670 --> 00:33:25,936
george floyd, I remember saying
to myself, "I need to record
this song."

889
00:33:25,938 --> 00:33:28,455
to myself, "I need to record
this song."
and so it has a way of breaking

890
00:33:28,457 --> 00:33:29,539
this song."
and so it has a way of breaking
down doors.

891
00:33:29,541 --> 00:33:32,175
And so it has a way of breaking
down doors.
Music has a way of breaking down

892
00:33:32,177 --> 00:33:34,544
down doors.
Music has a way of breaking down
doors, so I'm excited to sing

893
00:33:34,546 --> 00:33:37,681
music has a way of breaking down
doors, so I'm excited to sing
that song whenever I can, to --

894
00:33:37,683 --> 00:33:40,300
doors, so I'm excited to sing
that song whenever I can, to --
just to allow others to

895
00:33:40,302 --> 00:33:40,934
that song whenever I can, to --
just to allow others to
understand what we're saying.

896
00:33:46,574 --> 00:33:53,714
In the back of my mind that cece
and I would do solo projects.
So, I made it a concrete

897
00:33:53,716 --> 00:33:56,433
and I would do solo projects.
So, I made it a concrete
decision that every duet album

898
00:33:56,435 --> 00:33:59,519
so, I made it a concrete
decision that every duet album
there is a solo from cece and

899
00:33:59,521 --> 00:34:00,604
decision that every duet album
there is a solo from cece and
myself.

900
00:34:00,606 --> 00:34:02,989
There is a solo from cece and
myself.
And that was allowing the

901
00:34:02,991 --> 00:34:05,859
myself.
And that was allowing the
audience I think over the years

902
00:34:05,861 --> 00:34:07,661
and that was allowing the
audience I think over the years
to accept the fact that, okay,

903
00:34:07,663 --> 00:34:09,196
audience I think over the years
to accept the fact that, okay,
it's okay if they sing by

904
00:34:09,198 --> 00:34:11,364
to accept the fact that, okay,
it's okay if they sing by
themselves instead of singing a

905
00:34:11,366 --> 00:34:11,948
it's okay if they sing by
themselves instead of singing a
duet.

906
00:34:11,950 --> 00:34:15,435
Themselves instead of singing a
duet.
And around that time, I had had

907
00:34:15,437 --> 00:34:18,588
duet.
And around that time, I had had
enough of cece, and I'm sure

908
00:34:18,590 --> 00:34:20,590
and around that time, I had had
enough of cece, and I'm sure
she had enough of me.

909
00:34:20,592 --> 00:34:23,176
Enough of cece, and I'm sure
she had enough of me.
At the same time, it was the

910
00:34:23,178 --> 00:34:25,629
she had enough of me.
At the same time, it was the
contract that we were still

911
00:34:25,631 --> 00:34:26,680
at the same time, it was the
contract that we were still
under.

912
00:34:26,682 --> 00:34:30,016
Contract that we were still
under.
We did the greatest hits album

913
00:34:30,018 --> 00:34:33,153
under.
We did the greatest hits album
for capitol records.

914
00:34:33,155 --> 00:34:35,055
We did the greatest hits album
for capitol records.
Had a great talk with the

915
00:34:35,057 --> 00:34:37,274
for capitol records.
Had a great talk with the
president of emi, capitol, and

916
00:34:37,276 --> 00:34:39,559
had a great talk with the
president of emi, capitol, and
agreed that this would be their

917
00:34:39,561 --> 00:34:41,728
president of emi, capitol, and
agreed that this would be their
last album and we were let go

918
00:34:41,730 --> 00:34:42,979
agreed that this would be their
last album and we were let go
after we gave them this greatest

919
00:34:42,981 --> 00:34:43,330
last album and we were let go
after we gave them this greatest
hits.

920
00:34:43,332 --> 00:34:44,614
After we gave them this greatest
hits.
And they said, "okay, you know,

921
00:34:44,616 --> 00:34:45,232
hits.
And they said, "okay, you know,
that's fair."

922
00:34:45,234 --> 00:34:47,651
and they said, "okay, you know,
that's fair."
the other side said, "no, you

923
00:34:47,653 --> 00:34:50,070
that's fair."
the other side said, "no, you
have at least five more years

924
00:34:50,072 --> 00:34:50,821
the other side said, "no, you
have at least five more years
left."

925
00:34:50,823 --> 00:34:53,240
have at least five more years
left."
I said, "you know, let's just

926
00:34:53,242 --> 00:34:55,075
left."
I said, "you know, let's just
be, you know -- let's talk about

927
00:34:55,077 --> 00:34:55,575
I said, "you know, let's just
be, you know -- let's talk about
this.

928
00:34:55,577 --> 00:34:57,544
Be, you know -- let's talk about
this.
You have all these albums.

929
00:34:57,546 --> 00:34:59,746
This.
You have all these albums.
If they can let us go, you can

930
00:34:59,748 --> 00:35:00,797
you have all these albums.
If they can let us go, you can
let us go."

931
00:35:00,799 --> 00:35:03,834
if they can let us go, you can
let us go."
and they said no.

932
00:35:03,836 --> 00:35:06,386
Let us go."
and they said no.
I said, "that's the last album

933
00:35:06,388 --> 00:35:08,688
and they said no.
I said, "that's the last album
you will get from me and my

934
00:35:08,690 --> 00:35:11,191
I said, "that's the last album
you will get from me and my
sister, and call me when we're

935
00:35:11,193 --> 00:35:13,360
you will get from me and my
sister, and call me when we're
five years down the road,

936
00:35:13,362 --> 00:35:15,328
sister, and call me when we're
five years down the road,
and that's when we will do

937
00:35:15,330 --> 00:35:16,630
five years down the road,
and that's when we will do
another album."

938
00:35:16,632 --> 00:35:20,167
and that's when we will do
another album."
and so that's why we started

939
00:35:20,169 --> 00:35:23,553
another album."
and so that's why we started
doing solos in 1997, 'cause

940
00:35:23,555 --> 00:35:25,472
and so that's why we started
doing solos in 1997, 'cause
they did not have us as a solo

941
00:35:25,474 --> 00:35:26,139
doing solos in 1997, 'cause
they did not have us as a solo
artist.

942
00:35:26,141 --> 00:35:30,844
They did not have us as a solo
artist.
♪

943
00:35:30,846 --> 00:35:32,546
artist.
♪
so, cece and I, we're in

944
00:35:32,548 --> 00:35:33,547
♪
so, cece and I, we're in
los angeles.

945
00:35:33,549 --> 00:35:35,065
So, cece and I, we're in
los angeles.
We were recording the

946
00:35:35,067 --> 00:35:36,616
los angeles.
We were recording the
"relationship" album.

947
00:35:36,618 --> 00:35:38,668
We were recording the
"relationship" album.
And that morning, I got up.

948
00:35:38,670 --> 00:35:40,620
"relationship" album.
And that morning, I got up.
When I was getting out the

949
00:35:40,622 --> 00:35:43,039
and that morning, I got up.
When I was getting out the
shower, there was this mirror in

950
00:35:43,041 --> 00:35:45,125
when I was getting out the
shower, there was this mirror in
front of the shower, and the

951
00:35:45,127 --> 00:35:47,210
shower, there was this mirror in
front of the shower, and the
words came out of my mouth,

952
00:35:47,212 --> 00:35:50,046
front of the shower, and the
words came out of my mouth,
"who are these people getting

953
00:35:50,048 --> 00:35:52,132
words came out of my mouth,
"who are these people getting
out of this shower?"

954
00:35:52,134 --> 00:35:54,801
"who are these people getting
out of this shower?"
I saw myself I guess for the

955
00:35:54,803 --> 00:35:57,537
out of this shower?"
I saw myself I guess for the
first time, and I looked like

956
00:35:57,539 --> 00:35:58,972
I saw myself I guess for the
first time, and I looked like
three people.

957
00:35:58,974 --> 00:36:01,525
First time, and I looked like
three people.
I made up my mind right then and

958
00:36:01,527 --> 00:36:03,810
three people.
I made up my mind right then and
there -- I was 33 years old.

959
00:36:03,812 --> 00:36:05,812
I made up my mind right then and
there -- I was 33 years old.
And after I got dressed, I went

960
00:36:05,814 --> 00:36:06,646
there -- I was 33 years old.
And after I got dressed, I went
downstairs.

961
00:36:06,648 --> 00:36:08,481
And after I got dressed, I went
downstairs.
Asked the concierge where was

962
00:36:08,483 --> 00:36:10,500
downstairs.
Asked the concierge where was
the nearest gym, and she told me

963
00:36:10,502 --> 00:36:11,084
asked the concierge where was
the nearest gym, and she told me
where.

964
00:36:11,086 --> 00:36:13,086
The nearest gym, and she told me
where.
I went to the gold's gym.

965
00:36:13,088 --> 00:36:15,422
Where.
I went to the gold's gym.
I joined, and I looked around,

966
00:36:15,424 --> 00:36:17,541
I went to the gold's gym.
I joined, and I looked around,
and there was these people

967
00:36:17,543 --> 00:36:18,959
I joined, and I looked around,
and there was these people
training people.

968
00:36:18,961 --> 00:36:21,211
And there was these people
training people.
It was like, "okay. Alright."

969
00:36:21,213 --> 00:36:23,313
training people.
It was like, "okay. Alright."
and then I saw this guy who was

970
00:36:23,315 --> 00:36:25,432
it was like, "okay. Alright."
and then I saw this guy who was
not training anyone, and I went

971
00:36:25,434 --> 00:36:26,316
and then I saw this guy who was
not training anyone, and I went
up to him.

972
00:36:26,318 --> 00:36:28,101
Not training anyone, and I went
up to him.
I said, you know, "are you

973
00:36:28,103 --> 00:36:29,653
up to him.
I said, you know, "are you
waiting on a client?"

974
00:36:29,655 --> 00:36:31,271
I said, you know, "are you
waiting on a client?"
and he said, "well, my client

975
00:36:31,273 --> 00:36:32,239
waiting on a client?"
and he said, "well, my client
just canceled."

976
00:36:32,241 --> 00:36:33,990
and he said, "well, my client
just canceled."
I said, "well, can I, you know,

977
00:36:33,992 --> 00:36:35,158
just canceled."
I said, "well, can I, you know,
work out with you?"

978
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:36,443
I said, "well, can I, you know,
work out with you?"
he said, "yeah, okay."

979
00:36:36,445 --> 00:36:38,778
work out with you?"
he said, "yeah, okay."
so [chuckles] I remember that

980
00:36:38,780 --> 00:36:41,198
he said, "yeah, okay."
so [chuckles] I remember that
man putting me on the treadmill

981
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,617
so [chuckles] I remember that
man putting me on the treadmill
to walk two minutes, and I felt

982
00:36:43,619 --> 00:36:45,819
man putting me on the treadmill
to walk two minutes, and I felt
like I was getting ready to

983
00:36:45,821 --> 00:36:46,953
to walk two minutes, and I felt
like I was getting ready to
leave earth.

984
00:36:46,955 --> 00:36:50,924
Like I was getting ready to
leave earth.
And I realized how much I was

985
00:36:50,926 --> 00:36:53,026
leave earth.
And I realized how much I was
out of shape.

986
00:36:53,028 --> 00:36:54,828
And I realized how much I was
out of shape.
So, we trained for that hour,

987
00:36:54,830 --> 00:36:56,546
out of shape.
So, we trained for that hour,
and he asked, "are you gonna

988
00:36:56,548 --> 00:36:57,414
so, we trained for that hour,
and he asked, "are you gonna
come back?"

989
00:36:57,416 --> 00:36:58,415
and he asked, "are you gonna
come back?"
I said, "yes."

990
00:36:58,417 --> 00:37:00,300
come back?"
I said, "yes."
he said, "what is your goals?"

991
00:37:00,302 --> 00:37:01,751
I said, "yes."
he said, "what is your goals?"
I said, "alright, look.

992
00:37:01,753 --> 00:37:05,171
He said, "what is your goals?"
I said, "alright, look.
I'm 33 years old.

993
00:37:05,173 --> 00:37:08,642
I said, "alright, look.
I'm 33 years old.
I weigh 255 pounds.

994
00:37:08,644 --> 00:37:11,011
I'm 33 years old.
I weigh 255 pounds.
I wanna weigh 180."

995
00:37:11,013 --> 00:37:12,245
I weigh 255 pounds.
I wanna weigh 180."
and then he looked at me and

996
00:37:12,247 --> 00:37:13,413
I wanna weigh 180."
and then he looked at me and
said, "look, it took you 33

997
00:37:13,415 --> 00:37:16,917
and then he looked at me and
said, "look, it took you 33
years to get to where you are.

998
00:37:16,919 --> 00:37:19,252
Said, "look, it took you 33
years to get to where you are.
Give yourself more than three

999
00:37:19,254 --> 00:37:21,838
years to get to where you are.
Give yourself more than three
days to get to where you wanna

1000
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:22,505
give yourself more than three
days to get to where you wanna
be."

1001
00:37:22,507 --> 00:37:26,426
days to get to where you wanna
be."
and for some reason, it clicked.

1002
00:37:26,428 --> 00:37:29,362
Be."
and for some reason, it clicked.
It became my -- not only my

1003
00:37:29,364 --> 00:37:32,332
and for some reason, it clicked.
It became my -- not only my
lifestyle, but it became my

1004
00:37:32,334 --> 00:37:33,300
it became my -- not only my
lifestyle, but it became my
therapy.

1005
00:37:33,302 --> 00:37:35,969
Lifestyle, but it became my
therapy.
And a lot of people don't know.

1006
00:37:35,971 --> 00:37:38,338
Therapy.
And a lot of people don't know.
If you really want therapy,

1007
00:37:38,340 --> 00:37:40,006
and a lot of people don't know.
If you really want therapy,
start exercising.

1008
00:37:40,008 --> 00:37:44,010
If you really want therapy,
start exercising.
And it will really set the --

1009
00:37:44,012 --> 00:37:45,779
start exercising.
And it will really set the --
the start of the day to deal

1010
00:37:45,781 --> 00:37:47,681
and it will really set the --
the start of the day to deal
with a lot of things that comes

1011
00:37:47,683 --> 00:37:48,481
the start of the day to deal
with a lot of things that comes
your way.

1012
00:37:48,483 --> 00:37:53,770
With a lot of things that comes
your way.
So I am faithful and I'm

1013
00:37:53,772 --> 00:37:55,188
your way.
So I am faithful and I'm
camera-ready.

1014
00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:55,488
So I am faithful and I'm
camera-ready.
[ laughs ]

1015
00:38:03,514 --> 00:38:07,367
>> winans: You know, you have to
understand.
I consider myself still that

1016
00:38:07,369 --> 00:38:09,569
understand.
I consider myself still that
bebe winans from detroit no

1017
00:38:09,571 --> 00:38:11,071
I consider myself still that
bebe winans from detroit no
matter what I do.

1018
00:38:11,073 --> 00:38:13,740
Bebe winans from detroit no
matter what I do.
So, I have enjoyed over the

1019
00:38:13,742 --> 00:38:16,793
matter what I do.
So, I have enjoyed over the
years meeting great people like

1020
00:38:16,795 --> 00:38:19,412
so, I have enjoyed over the
years meeting great people like
luther vandross.

1021
00:38:19,414 --> 00:38:21,948
Years meeting great people like
luther vandross.
When it comes to singing,

1022
00:38:21,950 --> 00:38:24,250
luther vandross.
When it comes to singing,
there's nobody better.

1023
00:38:24,252 --> 00:38:25,452
When it comes to singing,
there's nobody better.
We became great friends.

1024
00:38:25,454 --> 00:38:26,970
There's nobody better.
We became great friends.
A lot of people didn't know, but

1025
00:38:26,972 --> 00:38:28,922
we became great friends.
A lot of people didn't know, but
after each album, luther and I

1026
00:38:28,924 --> 00:38:30,957
a lot of people didn't know, but
after each album, luther and I
would get together and we would

1027
00:38:30,959 --> 00:38:32,726
after each album, luther and I
would get together and we would
just ride in the car and we

1028
00:38:32,728 --> 00:38:34,594
would get together and we would
just ride in the car and we
would listen to each other's

1029
00:38:34,596 --> 00:38:36,646
just ride in the car and we
would listen to each other's
album, and we would like, "oh, I

1030
00:38:36,648 --> 00:38:37,764
would listen to each other's
album, and we would like, "oh, I
like that one."

1031
00:38:37,766 --> 00:38:39,349
album, and we would like, "oh, I
like that one."
and luther was like, "oh, yeah.

1032
00:38:39,351 --> 00:38:40,934
Like that one."
and luther was like, "oh, yeah.
Now, that should be your first

1033
00:38:40,936 --> 00:38:41,401
and luther was like, "oh, yeah.
Now, that should be your first
one."

1034
00:38:41,403 --> 00:38:42,969
now, that should be your first
one."
you know, we had great respect

1035
00:38:42,971 --> 00:38:44,554
one."
you know, we had great respect
for each other.

1036
00:38:44,556 --> 00:38:47,257
You know, we had great respect
for each other.
He was -- he was also -- he

1037
00:38:47,259 --> 00:38:50,010
for each other.
He was -- he was also -- he
reminds me of the night owl

1038
00:38:50,012 --> 00:38:51,428
he was -- he was also -- he
reminds me of the night owl
whitney was.

1039
00:38:51,430 --> 00:38:53,513
Reminds me of the night owl
whitney was.
When the phone rang at 10:00, I

1040
00:38:53,515 --> 00:38:54,848
whitney was.
When the phone rang at 10:00, I
knew it was luther.

1041
00:38:54,850 --> 00:38:58,351
When the phone rang at 10:00, I
knew it was luther.
He was a great friend.

1042
00:38:58,353 --> 00:39:00,987
Knew it was luther.
He was a great friend.
I miss him.

1043
00:39:00,989 --> 00:39:02,455
He was a great friend.
I miss him.
I learned a lot of things from

1044
00:39:02,457 --> 00:39:02,956
I miss him.
I learned a lot of things from
luther.

1045
00:39:02,958 --> 00:39:06,259
I learned a lot of things from
luther.
♪

1046
00:39:06,261 --> 00:39:08,928
luther.
♪
you know, losing a father is

1047
00:39:08,930 --> 00:39:11,898
♪
you know, losing a father is
different from losing a brother.

1048
00:39:11,900 --> 00:39:13,666
You know, losing a father is
different from losing a brother.
He was definitely one of my

1049
00:39:13,668 --> 00:39:15,702
different from losing a brother.
He was definitely one of my
heroes, but he taught me how to

1050
00:39:15,704 --> 00:39:16,453
he was definitely one of my
heroes, but he taught me how to
be a man.

1051
00:39:16,455 --> 00:39:19,039
Heroes, but he taught me how to
be a man.
He taught me how to provide.

1052
00:39:19,041 --> 00:39:21,841
Be a man.
He taught me how to provide.
He taught me how to be diligent

1053
00:39:21,843 --> 00:39:24,377
he taught me how to provide.
He taught me how to be diligent
and in everything that I am, he

1054
00:39:24,379 --> 00:39:25,428
he taught me how to be diligent
and in everything that I am, he
taught me.

1055
00:39:25,430 --> 00:39:27,764
And in everything that I am, he
taught me.
So, when he took his last

1056
00:39:27,766 --> 00:39:30,433
taught me.
So, when he took his last
breath, my world just shifted

1057
00:39:30,435 --> 00:39:32,852
so, when he took his last
breath, my world just shifted
into that position that he

1058
00:39:32,854 --> 00:39:34,637
breath, my world just shifted
into that position that he
taught me to take.

1059
00:39:34,639 --> 00:39:38,625
Into that position that he
taught me to take.
Truly, my father is alive in all

1060
00:39:38,627 --> 00:39:42,062
taught me to take.
Truly, my father is alive in all
of us, and he loved god, he

1061
00:39:42,064 --> 00:39:45,482
truly, my father is alive in all
of us, and he loved god, he
loved his family, and he loved

1062
00:39:45,484 --> 00:39:46,699
of us, and he loved god, he
loved his family, and he loved
music.

1063
00:39:46,701 --> 00:39:49,469
Loved his family, and he loved
music.
You know, I know I'll see him

1064
00:39:49,471 --> 00:39:52,505
music.
You know, I know I'll see him
again, but, boy, he lives in all

1065
00:39:52,507 --> 00:39:54,507
you know, I know I'll see him
again, but, boy, he lives in all
nine of my siblings.

1066
00:39:54,509 --> 00:39:57,677
Again, but, boy, he lives in all
nine of my siblings.
♪

1067
00:39:57,679 --> 00:39:59,512
nine of my siblings.
♪
when people know that they can

1068
00:39:59,514 --> 00:40:01,381
♪
when people know that they can
trust you, when people know you

1069
00:40:01,383 --> 00:40:04,634
when people know that they can
trust you, when people know you
care about them, then they open

1070
00:40:04,636 --> 00:40:07,153
trust you, when people know you
care about them, then they open
up and allow you to really know

1071
00:40:07,155 --> 00:40:08,421
care about them, then they open
up and allow you to really know
who they are.

1072
00:40:08,423 --> 00:40:09,422
Up and allow you to really know
who they are.
You know?

1073
00:40:09,424 --> 00:40:12,308
Who they are.
You know?
And that's what I've had the

1074
00:40:12,310 --> 00:40:17,814
you know?
And that's what I've had the
pleasure in enjoying the

1075
00:40:17,816 --> 00:40:19,365
and that's what I've had the
pleasure in enjoying the
friendships that I have.

1076
00:40:19,367 --> 00:40:22,035
Pleasure in enjoying the
friendships that I have.
♪

1077
00:40:22,037 --> 00:40:25,422
friendships that I have.
♪
I don't live a five-year plan or

1078
00:40:25,424 --> 00:40:27,257
♪
I don't live a five-year plan or
a 10-year plan.

1079
00:40:27,259 --> 00:40:29,375
I don't live a five-year plan or
a 10-year plan.
And if ever asked "what are you

1080
00:40:29,377 --> 00:40:31,344
a 10-year plan.
And if ever asked "what are you
doing next?", my answer is I

1081
00:40:31,346 --> 00:40:32,262
and if ever asked "what are you
doing next?", my answer is I
don't know.

1082
00:40:32,264 --> 00:40:35,799
Doing next?", my answer is I
don't know.
It's going to be something that

1083
00:40:35,801 --> 00:40:38,852
don't know.
It's going to be something that
I probably am going to have to

1084
00:40:38,854 --> 00:40:41,187
it's going to be something that
I probably am going to have to
leave my comfort zone.

1085
00:40:41,189 --> 00:40:44,557
I probably am going to have to
leave my comfort zone.
Music is my foundation, but I've

1086
00:40:44,559 --> 00:40:47,293
leave my comfort zone.
Music is my foundation, but I've
been unafraid to -- to go

1087
00:40:47,295 --> 00:40:49,262
music is my foundation, but I've
been unafraid to -- to go
through doors that I know

1088
00:40:49,264 --> 00:40:50,530
been unafraid to -- to go
through doors that I know
nothing about.

1089
00:40:50,532 --> 00:40:52,132
Through doors that I know
nothing about.
♪

1090
00:40:52,134 --> 00:40:53,967
nothing about.
♪
and I think if you -- you get to

1091
00:40:53,969 --> 00:40:55,502
♪
and I think if you -- you get to
the place where you're not

1092
00:40:55,504 --> 00:40:57,270
and I think if you -- you get to
the place where you're not
afraid of what people are going

1093
00:40:57,272 --> 00:40:59,105
the place where you're not
afraid of what people are going
to say, whether you fail or not,

1094
00:40:59,107 --> 00:41:01,274
afraid of what people are going
to say, whether you fail or not,
because in order to succeed,

1095
00:41:01,276 --> 00:41:03,626
to say, whether you fail or not,
because in order to succeed,
you're going to have to fail.

1096
00:41:03,628 --> 00:41:05,829
Because in order to succeed,
you're going to have to fail.
And again, it brings me back to

1097
00:41:05,831 --> 00:41:06,145
you're going to have to fail.
And again, it brings me back to
my father.

1098
00:41:07,665 --> 00:41:10,366
My father said, "I'm going to

1099
00:41:10,501 --> 00:41:12,619
teach you all how to be

1100
00:41:12,786 --> 00:41:13,786
confident.

1101
00:41:13,904 --> 00:41:15,989
Are you the greatest singers in

1102
00:41:16,157 --> 00:41:16,956
the world?

1103
00:41:17,074 --> 00:41:17,457
No.

1104
00:41:17,575 --> 00:41:19,626
But what you are before you

1105
00:41:19,743 --> 00:41:21,995
leave my house, you're gonna be

1106
00:41:22,163 --> 00:41:24,380
confident in the gift that god

1107
00:41:24,498 --> 00:41:25,331
gave you.

1108
00:41:25,466 --> 00:41:28,251
And sometimes that can be a thin

1109
00:41:28,385 --> 00:41:30,720
line between confident and

1110
00:41:30,838 --> 00:41:31,554
conceited.

1111
00:41:31,672 --> 00:41:33,256
Some people may say you're

1112
00:41:33,390 --> 00:41:34,090
conceited.

1113
00:41:34,225 --> 00:41:36,509
But, no, it's confidence."

1114
00:41:36,644 --> 00:41:38,261
and so I'm confident.

1115
00:41:38,395 --> 00:41:41,514
In what's ever next, I'm gonna

1116
00:41:41,682 --> 00:41:41,814
grab it.