1 00:00:09,427 --> 00:00:12,221 [narrator] What you're looking at is the fertilization of a human egg 2 00:00:12,305 --> 00:00:13,556 with a sperm cell. 3 00:00:13,639 --> 00:00:18,144 There's nothing new about that. It happens all the time in fertility clinics. 4 00:00:18,227 --> 00:00:20,438 But there's something different happening. 5 00:00:21,272 --> 00:00:26,319 That needle is also delivering a tiny tool that will change the embryo's DNA. 6 00:00:26,861 --> 00:00:28,946 A new technology called... 7 00:00:29,030 --> 00:00:30,073 -CRISPR. -CRISPR. 8 00:00:30,156 --> 00:00:32,700 -CRISPR. -A revolutionary technology that can... 9 00:00:32,784 --> 00:00:36,621 ...edit DNA with incredible precision. 10 00:00:37,246 --> 00:00:39,832 To get why this is such a big deal, consider this: 11 00:00:40,333 --> 00:00:44,170 life has existed on this planet for nearly four billion years. 12 00:00:46,964 --> 00:00:52,428 99.99% of that time passed before Homo sapiens showed up. 13 00:00:54,222 --> 00:00:57,475 And then for 99.9% of human history, 14 00:00:58,059 --> 00:01:00,770 we, too, were oblivious to the genetic code tucked inside the cells of all living things. 15 00:01:05,483 --> 00:01:07,693 In fact, it's just in the last 65 years, 16 00:01:07,777 --> 00:01:09,028 a single lifetime, 17 00:01:09,487 --> 00:01:11,739 that we've figured out how DNA works, 18 00:01:12,073 --> 00:01:14,075 built machines that could read it, 19 00:01:14,450 --> 00:01:17,036 and then tools that could rewrite it. 20 00:01:17,829 --> 00:01:21,457 Now a question we've been asking for decades is becoming very real. 21 00:01:21,958 --> 00:01:25,753 If humans had the technology to control the source code of life, 22 00:01:25,837 --> 00:01:29,465 what happens when we turn it on ourselves? 23 00:01:29,924 --> 00:01:32,885 [man 1] Take what we now know about the DNA molecule in our cells. 24 00:01:32,969 --> 00:01:35,221 It's entirely possible we may learn to use it. 25 00:01:35,304 --> 00:01:38,224 ...in order to tinker with our blueprints, genetic makeup. 26 00:01:38,307 --> 00:01:40,726 Once you start tinkering, where do you stop? 27 00:01:40,810 --> 00:01:43,146 [man 2] And that's where things get complicated. 28 00:01:43,229 --> 00:01:46,399 ...crucial to finding cures for diseases like cancer. 29 00:01:46,482 --> 00:01:48,609 Critics say it's opening up a Pandora's box. 30 00:01:48,693 --> 00:01:52,155 [man 3] Is this the way we want to nurture the next generation of children? 31 00:01:52,238 --> 00:01:53,990 [man 4] This makes man his own god. 32 00:02:01,414 --> 00:02:04,250 Today we celebrate the revelation 33 00:02:04,333 --> 00:02:07,545 of the first draft of the human book of life. 34 00:02:08,921 --> 00:02:12,091 As a society, we've spent about $3 billion dollars 35 00:02:12,175 --> 00:02:14,260 to sequence the first human genome, 36 00:02:14,343 --> 00:02:16,429 a really landmark achievement, 37 00:02:16,512 --> 00:02:19,849 equivalent to maybe, you know, constructing the pyramids in Egypt. 38 00:02:20,433 --> 00:02:22,894 The genome is our entire genetic blueprint, 39 00:02:23,060 --> 00:02:26,147 three billion pairs of As, Ts, Cs, and Gs, 40 00:02:26,230 --> 00:02:28,733 that each of us carry in almost every cell. 41 00:02:29,025 --> 00:02:32,778 Mapping it was the biggest undertaking in the history of biology. 42 00:02:33,529 --> 00:02:35,656 [Sanjana] In the 15 years since then, 43 00:02:35,865 --> 00:02:38,743 the price of sequencing a genome has fallen dramatically. 44 00:02:38,826 --> 00:02:41,537 That's many, many zeros off the price tag. 45 00:02:42,121 --> 00:02:45,333 Take a closer look at that chart. That's not a typical scale. 46 00:02:45,416 --> 00:02:48,085 The numbers are decreasing by a factor of ten. 47 00:02:48,669 --> 00:02:49,670 With all that data, 48 00:02:49,754 --> 00:02:52,840 researchers can identify genes that cause diseases. 49 00:02:53,507 --> 00:02:55,343 But to actually change those genes, 50 00:02:55,426 --> 00:02:57,970 you'd have to track them down within the genome. 51 00:02:59,096 --> 00:03:02,266 Humans didn't have an easy way to do that, but it turns out... 52 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:03,809 bacteria did. 53 00:03:05,811 --> 00:03:08,898 See, they've been battling viruses for billions of years, 54 00:03:09,106 --> 00:03:11,275 and some of them developed an immune system 55 00:03:11,359 --> 00:03:15,112 that records segments of viral DNA within their own genome. 56 00:03:15,947 --> 00:03:17,740 So when that virus attacks again, 57 00:03:17,907 --> 00:03:21,410 its DNA is easy to recognize and to cut, 58 00:03:21,494 --> 00:03:23,829 with enzymes that act like scissors. 59 00:03:23,913 --> 00:03:26,540 That prevents the virus from replicating. 60 00:03:27,583 --> 00:03:30,169 That immune system is called CRISPR. 61 00:03:30,253 --> 00:03:33,047 Its discovery was cool enough, but in 2012, 62 00:03:33,130 --> 00:03:35,049 Jennifer Doudna and her collaborators 63 00:03:35,216 --> 00:03:37,593 showed that they could reprogram the CRISPR system 64 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,680 to track down and edit a gene of their choice, 65 00:03:40,805 --> 00:03:42,640 taking CRISPR from an interesting fact 66 00:03:43,307 --> 00:03:44,976 to a powerful tool. 67 00:03:45,059 --> 00:03:47,520 For harnessing an ancient bacterial immune system 68 00:03:47,687 --> 00:03:50,273 as a powerful gene editing technology, 69 00:03:50,356 --> 00:03:54,110 the breakthrough prize is awarded to Emmanuelle Charpentier 70 00:03:54,193 --> 00:03:55,444 and Jennifer Doudna. 71 00:03:56,612 --> 00:04:00,324 It was a result of curiosity-driven research 72 00:04:00,825 --> 00:04:03,619 that was aimed in a very different direction 73 00:04:03,703 --> 00:04:04,620 from where it ended up. 74 00:04:04,704 --> 00:04:07,039 I never thought I'd become a genome engineer. 75 00:04:08,207 --> 00:04:10,376 The ease of use of the CRISPR system 76 00:04:10,459 --> 00:04:13,170 has enabled it to really spread like wildfire 77 00:04:13,296 --> 00:04:14,630 through the scientific community. 78 00:04:14,714 --> 00:04:17,925 There are so many papers every day being published with CRISPR 79 00:04:18,009 --> 00:04:19,844 and using it in plants, 80 00:04:19,927 --> 00:04:23,097 in bacteria, in yeast... Really, in every living organism, 81 00:04:23,180 --> 00:04:25,308 'cause all living organisms run on DNA. 82 00:04:25,808 --> 00:04:27,393 The technology is so affordable 83 00:04:27,476 --> 00:04:30,813 that you can now tweak the DNA of bacteria at home 84 00:04:30,896 --> 00:04:33,190 with a DIY CRISPR kit. 85 00:04:33,274 --> 00:04:36,360 I've been doing science professionally for about 25 years 86 00:04:36,444 --> 00:04:39,155 and I have never seen a technology 87 00:04:39,572 --> 00:04:41,866 take off the way gene editing has. 88 00:04:43,117 --> 00:04:46,537 [Sanjana] I think back to Silicon Valley 40, 50 years ago, 89 00:04:46,620 --> 00:04:48,039 when it's just becoming clear 90 00:04:48,122 --> 00:04:50,750 that we had this ability to program computers. 91 00:04:50,833 --> 00:04:53,169 It was really hard, I think, to see all the developments 92 00:04:53,252 --> 00:04:56,797 like the internet, or computers inside everyone's pocket. 93 00:04:56,881 --> 00:04:59,508 What will happen 20, 30, 40 years from now? 94 00:05:02,178 --> 00:05:07,266 Piglets that might one day provide livers, hearts, and other organs for humans. 95 00:05:07,350 --> 00:05:10,686 [man] Now they're making mosquitoes that are resistant to malaria. 96 00:05:10,770 --> 00:05:13,064 [woman] The woolly mammoth could be making a comeback. 97 00:05:13,147 --> 00:05:16,442 [narrator] That last one might remind you of a certain sci-fi classic. 98 00:05:18,611 --> 00:05:20,738 Don't you see the danger in what you're doing here? 99 00:05:20,821 --> 00:05:23,240 Genetic power's the most awesome force the planet's ever seen, 100 00:05:23,324 --> 00:05:26,118 but you wield it like a kid that's found his dad's gun. 101 00:05:26,202 --> 00:05:29,121 All of these experiments raise difficult ethical questions, 102 00:05:29,205 --> 00:05:33,334 perhaps none more than the use of CRISPR in human embryos. 103 00:05:33,417 --> 00:05:36,253 Nobody has tried to start a pregnancy with those embryos, 104 00:05:36,337 --> 00:05:37,880 but if they ever do, 105 00:05:37,963 --> 00:05:42,051 we will be crossing a line that people have debated for decades. 106 00:05:43,886 --> 00:05:46,764 This debate has long had some important distinctions. 107 00:05:46,847 --> 00:05:50,476 First of all is the distinction between somatic gene editing 108 00:05:50,559 --> 00:05:52,228 and germline gene editing. 109 00:05:52,311 --> 00:05:54,897 [narrator] Somatic cells are most of the cells in the body: 110 00:05:54,980 --> 00:05:56,232 blood, brain, skin cells, 111 00:05:56,315 --> 00:05:59,652 where the DNA doesn't get passed down to offspring. 112 00:05:59,735 --> 00:06:02,905 Germline edits involve sperm, eggs, or embryos, 113 00:06:02,988 --> 00:06:06,200 basically changing the DNA of future generations. 114 00:06:06,742 --> 00:06:09,703 It's a profound difference, because in germline editing, 115 00:06:09,787 --> 00:06:11,455 we're talking about making changes 116 00:06:11,539 --> 00:06:14,250 that ultimately affect the human population 117 00:06:14,333 --> 00:06:15,418 and human evolution. 118 00:06:16,043 --> 00:06:19,171 Another major divide that emerged early on in the debate 119 00:06:19,255 --> 00:06:21,924 was between therapy and enhancement. 120 00:06:22,007 --> 00:06:23,426 [narrator] Therapies treat diseases, 121 00:06:23,509 --> 00:06:27,513 and enhancements give advantages to people who are already healthy. 122 00:06:27,596 --> 00:06:30,599 The top left box is where the real action is happening, 123 00:06:30,683 --> 00:06:33,144 treatments for people living with diseases. 124 00:06:33,227 --> 00:06:35,020 The challenge here is delivery. 125 00:06:35,104 --> 00:06:38,065 For different diseases, different cells in your body are affected. 126 00:06:38,149 --> 00:06:40,526 Some diseases affect the liver, some affect the heart, 127 00:06:40,609 --> 00:06:43,988 some affect the lungs, and some organs have much easier deliveries. 128 00:06:44,071 --> 00:06:47,867 The most promising experiments are for conditions like sickle cell disease, 129 00:06:47,950 --> 00:06:52,872 HIV, and certain cancers where the disease lives in the blood or the bone marrow. 130 00:06:52,955 --> 00:06:56,250 Those cells can be removed from the body, edited outside, 131 00:06:56,333 --> 00:06:59,128 where you don't have to worry about delivering into an entire person, 132 00:06:59,211 --> 00:07:01,380 and after the editing is confirmed, 133 00:07:01,464 --> 00:07:02,673 replaced in the patient. 134 00:07:02,756 --> 00:07:06,510 Somatic gene editing has always been much less controversial, 135 00:07:06,594 --> 00:07:09,096 primarily because any change you would make 136 00:07:09,180 --> 00:07:10,347 would end with that person. 137 00:07:10,431 --> 00:07:12,558 Generally that's considered to be medicine. 138 00:07:13,058 --> 00:07:16,437 Somatic gene enhancement is like plastic surgery. 139 00:07:16,770 --> 00:07:18,689 Any change you make ends with them. 140 00:07:18,898 --> 00:07:21,025 There are no genetic plastic surgeons yet. 141 00:07:21,150 --> 00:07:23,068 Researchers are focused on diseases, 142 00:07:23,861 --> 00:07:26,822 and as those trials begin, the big debate will be here, 143 00:07:27,156 --> 00:07:29,533 whether we should move beyond treating the sick 144 00:07:29,700 --> 00:07:32,786 to editing diseases out of future generations. 145 00:07:33,078 --> 00:07:34,163 [man] That hasn't happened. 146 00:07:34,622 --> 00:07:36,123 As far as anyone can tell, 147 00:07:36,207 --> 00:07:38,751 nobody is trying to make CRISPR babies yet. 148 00:07:38,834 --> 00:07:43,839 That's a temptation that I think has to be grappled with. 149 00:07:43,923 --> 00:07:47,718 I think the technology is not quite there yet, 150 00:07:47,801 --> 00:07:49,220 but I think it's close. 151 00:07:49,970 --> 00:07:51,889 Creating a genetically modified baby 152 00:07:51,972 --> 00:07:54,767 is already illegal in at least 25 countries. 153 00:07:54,850 --> 00:07:57,311 In much of Europe, it's been banned for decades. 154 00:07:57,770 --> 00:07:59,563 If you look at a pattern across countries, 155 00:07:59,647 --> 00:08:03,651 one of the primary variables that would explain differences 156 00:08:03,734 --> 00:08:06,111 is proximity to the Nazi experience. 157 00:08:06,195 --> 00:08:09,657 What you find is much more skepticism of the idea 158 00:08:09,740 --> 00:08:12,284 that somehow we're going to improve the human species. 159 00:08:13,035 --> 00:08:16,372 Two power centers of CRISPR research, the US and China, 160 00:08:16,455 --> 00:08:18,374 have restrictions on germline editing, 161 00:08:18,457 --> 00:08:20,668 but they don't have laws against it. 162 00:08:21,168 --> 00:08:24,838 In 2015, the UN called for a worldwide moratorium, 163 00:08:24,922 --> 00:08:26,924 saying that germline modifications 164 00:08:27,007 --> 00:08:30,261 could jeopardize the dignity of all human beings, 165 00:08:30,344 --> 00:08:32,680 because the problem with crossing the germline 166 00:08:32,763 --> 00:08:35,140 is that this other line might not hold. 167 00:08:35,641 --> 00:08:38,060 [Evans] The line between therapy and enhancement 168 00:08:38,143 --> 00:08:40,646 has, over time, gotten a lot more fuzzy. 169 00:08:40,729 --> 00:08:44,608 For one thing, not everyone agrees on which genetic conditions need fixing. 170 00:08:44,942 --> 00:08:46,944 [Evans] Is deafness a disease? 171 00:08:47,027 --> 00:08:49,405 Many in the deaf community would say it is not. 172 00:08:49,488 --> 00:08:51,991 Is dwarfism a disease? Many would say not. 173 00:08:52,491 --> 00:08:55,327 The idea that we're all sick, that we're suffering, 174 00:08:55,411 --> 00:08:57,037 that I "suffer" from dwarfism... 175 00:08:57,121 --> 00:09:00,082 No, I live with dwarfism. I've lived with dwarfism for 39 years. 176 00:09:00,666 --> 00:09:04,336 I'm proud to be a second generation raising a third generation of people 177 00:09:04,420 --> 00:09:06,338 living with dwarfism. 178 00:09:06,422 --> 00:09:09,049 I don't suffer, I suffer from how society treats me. 179 00:09:09,133 --> 00:09:12,469 But the line is fuzzy even for diseases we agree on. 180 00:09:13,304 --> 00:09:17,224 Depending on which variant you have, the APOE gene increases, decreases, 181 00:09:17,349 --> 00:09:20,644 or doesn't affect the risk of Alzheimer's disease later in life. 182 00:09:21,145 --> 00:09:22,813 Say you switched your child's DNA 183 00:09:22,896 --> 00:09:25,274 from a high-risk to a low-risk variant. 184 00:09:25,357 --> 00:09:27,901 Would that be a therapy or an enhancement? 185 00:09:28,736 --> 00:09:32,239 There are rare genes linked to lower risk of heart disease, diabetes, 186 00:09:32,323 --> 00:09:34,658 immunity to HIV, stronger bones, 187 00:09:34,742 --> 00:09:36,452 bigger muscles, less body odor, 188 00:09:36,535 --> 00:09:38,829 the ability to get by with less sleep. 189 00:09:39,496 --> 00:09:41,081 Where would you draw the line? 190 00:09:41,665 --> 00:09:46,003 In the '90s movie Gattaca, society is divided into genetic classes, 191 00:09:46,086 --> 00:09:49,715 because fertility clinics sell enhancements to their customers. 192 00:09:49,798 --> 00:09:50,883 We didn't want... 193 00:09:51,425 --> 00:09:53,510 I mean, diseases, yes, but... 194 00:09:53,594 --> 00:09:55,804 Right, we were just wondering if... 195 00:09:55,888 --> 00:09:58,223 if it's good to just leave a few things to chance. 196 00:09:58,307 --> 00:10:01,226 You want to give your child the best possible start. 197 00:10:01,935 --> 00:10:04,271 Believe me, we have enough imperfection built in already. 198 00:10:04,355 --> 00:10:07,358 When I watched that movie, it was completely science fiction. 199 00:10:07,441 --> 00:10:11,737 It's amazing to think that now we're on the cusp of that being a real possibility. 200 00:10:11,820 --> 00:10:15,574 And that raises one of the most profound ethical threats in genetics, 201 00:10:15,658 --> 00:10:18,494 or as you may know it, "designer babies." 202 00:10:18,577 --> 00:10:20,621 -Designer babies. -Designer babies. 203 00:10:20,704 --> 00:10:23,582 [man] ...where parents can pick eye color, intelligence, and height. 204 00:10:23,666 --> 00:10:27,586 Imagine if I could choose kids that could go on in the NBA. 205 00:10:27,670 --> 00:10:30,005 That's where people get a little carried away. 206 00:10:30,089 --> 00:10:33,425 Some traits are relatively simple, like eye color, freckles, and this is true, how sticky your earwax is. 207 00:10:37,054 --> 00:10:39,390 But intelligence, height, athletic ability, 208 00:10:39,473 --> 00:10:41,100 these are all complex traits. 209 00:10:41,308 --> 00:10:43,394 They're partly nature and partly nurture, 210 00:10:43,477 --> 00:10:45,562 and the part that's nature involves hundreds, 211 00:10:45,646 --> 00:10:48,065 even thousands of locations on the genome, 212 00:10:48,148 --> 00:10:50,651 interacting in ways we don't understand. 213 00:10:51,235 --> 00:10:54,113 And that makes them bad targets for something like CRISPR. 214 00:10:55,489 --> 00:10:58,200 If governments give a green light to germline editing, 215 00:10:58,283 --> 00:11:00,160 it would start with preventing the transmission 216 00:11:00,244 --> 00:11:02,413 of diseases caused by a single gene. 217 00:11:02,996 --> 00:11:05,833 But the thing is, most of the people who carry those genes 218 00:11:05,999 --> 00:11:09,712 already have a way to do that without editing any DNA, 219 00:11:10,045 --> 00:11:13,882 which is why the shorter path to designer babies isn't gene editing, 220 00:11:14,550 --> 00:11:16,552 it's gene selection. 221 00:11:16,635 --> 00:11:20,472 People who know that they're carriers for a genetic disease have long had this option called preimplantation genetic diagnosis. 222 00:11:24,476 --> 00:11:27,312 Which is a mouthful, so people call it PGD. 223 00:11:27,396 --> 00:11:30,941 When I describe this, most people I talk to think it's science fiction, 224 00:11:31,024 --> 00:11:33,902 but it's actually been around for over 27 years. 225 00:11:33,986 --> 00:11:39,450 In PGD, a fertility clinic removes cells from embryos created through IVF 226 00:11:39,533 --> 00:11:42,161 and tests their DNA for genetic diseases. 227 00:11:42,244 --> 00:11:45,622 They can then select the embryos without the disease 228 00:11:45,706 --> 00:11:47,207 to implant in the woman. 229 00:11:48,167 --> 00:11:50,878 But that technology has also been used to screen for genes 230 00:11:50,961 --> 00:11:53,881 that raise the risk of disease, but don't guarantee it, 231 00:11:53,964 --> 00:11:55,591 and to check for other traits, 232 00:11:55,674 --> 00:11:57,134 like an embryo's sex, 233 00:11:57,676 --> 00:11:58,886 or its eye color. 234 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:01,096 As the technology advances, 235 00:12:01,263 --> 00:12:04,349 it'll be possible to get an entire genomic report card 236 00:12:04,516 --> 00:12:05,601 for your embryos, 237 00:12:05,684 --> 00:12:07,853 like the kind you get when you send your saliva 238 00:12:07,936 --> 00:12:09,480 to a personal genomics company. 239 00:12:10,147 --> 00:12:13,859 And for complex traits, like intelligence, height, or diabetes, 240 00:12:13,942 --> 00:12:16,236 we may not be able to edit them directly, 241 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,322 but we might be able to predict them... 242 00:12:18,864 --> 00:12:19,865 to an extent. 243 00:12:20,574 --> 00:12:23,076 [Greely] I don't think we're ever going to be able to say honestly 244 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:27,331 this embryo is going to get 1450 on the two-part SAT. 245 00:12:28,248 --> 00:12:32,336 But I do think we'll be able to say a 60% chance of being in the top half, 246 00:12:32,836 --> 00:12:35,130 13% chance of being in the top 10%. 247 00:12:35,547 --> 00:12:38,383 These predictions are called polygenic scores 248 00:12:38,467 --> 00:12:40,427 and they're based on statistical correlations 249 00:12:40,511 --> 00:12:41,678 from across the genome. 250 00:12:42,137 --> 00:12:43,639 Most of them aren't very accurate, 251 00:12:43,722 --> 00:12:46,308 so they've stayed in the realm of academic research. 252 00:12:46,850 --> 00:12:49,186 But they get better with more data, 253 00:12:49,269 --> 00:12:51,396 and now a company called Genomic Prediction 254 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,441 says they'll soon be the first to offer polygenic tests 255 00:12:54,525 --> 00:12:55,901 to fertility clinics. 256 00:12:57,069 --> 00:13:00,447 Their CEO has said he was inspired by the movie Gattaca. 257 00:13:02,032 --> 00:13:03,534 There's nothing in the current US law 258 00:13:03,617 --> 00:13:06,912 that would keep a clinic from using genetic trait prediction immediately. 259 00:13:06,995 --> 00:13:08,831 Whether that'll be true in the future, 260 00:13:08,914 --> 00:13:12,251 when people start using this to select babies 261 00:13:12,334 --> 00:13:15,879 for reasons that other people think are wrong, 262 00:13:15,963 --> 00:13:18,924 that's going to be a really interesting political fight to watch. 263 00:13:19,925 --> 00:13:22,219 But we're still talking about a small number of people, 264 00:13:22,302 --> 00:13:24,513 because IVF is hard. 265 00:13:25,264 --> 00:13:27,140 [Greely] The problem with IVF right now, 266 00:13:27,224 --> 00:13:32,062 what accounts for 90% of its cost, and 99% of its discomfort and risk, 267 00:13:32,145 --> 00:13:33,355 is egg harvest. 268 00:13:33,438 --> 00:13:35,232 But he predicts that we'll eventually be able 269 00:13:35,315 --> 00:13:38,527 to grow human eggs in a lab from skin cells 270 00:13:38,610 --> 00:13:41,488 and use them to create dozens of embryos. 271 00:13:41,572 --> 00:13:43,657 [Greely] This sounds like science fiction. 272 00:13:43,740 --> 00:13:46,451 It is if you're a person. It's not if you're a mouse. 273 00:13:46,535 --> 00:13:48,912 It's already been done in mice, both eggs and sperm, 274 00:13:48,996 --> 00:13:51,081 and healthy little mouse pups have been born. 275 00:13:51,164 --> 00:13:54,251 If that works in humans, and that's a big if, 276 00:13:54,334 --> 00:13:59,590 then IVF becomes a whole lot easier, and gene selection more powerful. 277 00:13:59,673 --> 00:14:01,758 Add gene editing to that process 278 00:14:01,842 --> 00:14:03,969 and you can see how the fertility industry 279 00:14:04,052 --> 00:14:06,889 could steer the future of human evolution. 280 00:14:08,891 --> 00:14:11,643 But we don't need to speculate about the distant future 281 00:14:11,727 --> 00:14:14,563 to see how the genomic revolution could change us. 282 00:14:15,314 --> 00:14:19,276 [Cokley] In 1994, Dr. John Wasmuth found a gene for achondroplasia. 283 00:14:19,693 --> 00:14:22,321 A lot of dwarf parents were scared, 284 00:14:23,196 --> 00:14:24,990 because we thought it was the... 285 00:14:25,073 --> 00:14:28,201 and, you know, in many ways it really still could be, the first step towards eradicating our kind of dwarfism. 286 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:35,834 Genetic technologies can narrow the range of human variation. 287 00:14:37,127 --> 00:14:40,339 We've already seen how individual choices about prenatal testing 288 00:14:40,422 --> 00:14:42,674 can shift whole populations. 289 00:14:42,758 --> 00:14:44,927 There are now only 918 girls 290 00:14:45,010 --> 00:14:47,888 for every one thousand boys in the country. 291 00:14:47,971 --> 00:14:51,058 In Iceland, Down syndrome is on the verge of being eradicated 292 00:14:51,141 --> 00:14:54,519 and it's due in large part to the widespread use of genetic testing. 293 00:14:54,603 --> 00:15:01,526 Is there really no place for us in the world? 294 00:15:02,611 --> 00:15:05,364 It's a hard conversation. I mean, I'm a pro-choice woman 295 00:15:05,739 --> 00:15:08,283 and I have to accept the fact that for me, 296 00:15:09,368 --> 00:15:12,579 being a pro-choice woman and a woman with a disability means... 297 00:15:13,622 --> 00:15:16,500 that I have to accept the fact that non-disabled women... 298 00:15:17,834 --> 00:15:20,295 see a fetus like me as not viable. 299 00:15:21,380 --> 00:15:25,092 And since unequal access to healthcare is a fact of our world, 300 00:15:25,175 --> 00:15:28,470 we risk giving the wealthy an extra genetic advantage. 301 00:15:28,971 --> 00:15:31,848 This will not be made available to everyone on the planet. 302 00:15:31,932 --> 00:15:35,227 It would only be the wealthy people who would have access to this. 303 00:15:35,310 --> 00:15:38,438 Already, rich kids are 10-15% healthier than poor kids. 304 00:15:38,522 --> 00:15:40,399 It's not enormous, 305 00:15:40,482 --> 00:15:43,443 but I wouldn't want to add another 10-15% on top of it. 306 00:15:43,527 --> 00:15:49,116 And we've seen how easily we can fall prey to simple answers for complex problems 307 00:15:49,199 --> 00:15:51,576 when they're dressed in the language of science. 308 00:15:51,994 --> 00:15:54,997 [Evans] The Immigration Act in America of the 1920s 309 00:15:55,372 --> 00:15:59,042 was based upon an entire faulty scientific premise, 310 00:15:59,126 --> 00:16:04,006 that the genes of the Nordic countries were superior to the other races. 311 00:16:04,089 --> 00:16:06,174 It doesn't even need to be true, 312 00:16:06,258 --> 00:16:09,136 gene editing doesn't actually even have to work, 313 00:16:09,219 --> 00:16:11,388 to have social effects. 314 00:16:11,471 --> 00:16:15,600 But gene editing gives us a chance to massively reduce human suffering. 315 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:18,270 That's why the stakes are so high. 316 00:16:19,229 --> 00:16:24,818 My biggest fear, honestly, is that we'll see the use of gene editing 317 00:16:24,901 --> 00:16:26,111 getting ahead of itself. 318 00:16:26,194 --> 00:16:30,574 What I mean by that is an application that causes harm, 319 00:16:30,657 --> 00:16:34,369 that creates a backlash against a technology 320 00:16:34,453 --> 00:16:37,956 that I think has really the potential to be incredibly positive 321 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,083 and have a positive effect on society. 322 00:16:42,002 --> 00:16:45,630 [Greely] Unless we're in nuclear war, unless the world ends, 323 00:16:45,714 --> 00:16:49,551 we're going to be using genetics more and more in human reproduction, 324 00:16:49,634 --> 00:16:51,470 and that will have consequences, 325 00:16:51,553 --> 00:16:55,140 but I do the work I do in the hopes that if we think about these things, 326 00:16:55,223 --> 00:16:58,101 we worry about them, we talk about them enough in advance,