1 00:00:06,005 --> 00:00:09,551 [fanfare music playing] 2 00:00:11,428 --> 00:00:12,762 [narrator] Once upon a time, 3 00:00:12,846 --> 00:00:16,141 there was a beautiful, downtrodden girl with an evil stepmother. 4 00:00:17,017 --> 00:00:20,478 Then a fairy godmother granted her wish to go to a ball, 5 00:00:20,562 --> 00:00:22,564 -where, at the stroke of midnight… -[clock chimes] 6 00:00:22,647 --> 00:00:24,107 …she lost her glass slipper. 7 00:00:24,733 --> 00:00:26,484 -But a prince found it… -Huh. 8 00:00:26,568 --> 00:00:28,570 [narrator] …and when he finally tracked her down, 9 00:00:28,653 --> 00:00:31,364 they fell in love and lived happily ever after. 10 00:00:31,906 --> 00:00:33,033 You know the story. 11 00:00:33,742 --> 00:00:35,452 Or maybe you know this story. 12 00:00:35,994 --> 00:00:39,831 There was a beautiful, downtrodden girl with an evil stepmother. 13 00:00:39,914 --> 00:00:41,541 Then some magical fish bones 14 00:00:41,624 --> 00:00:44,502 granted her a wish to go to the New Year's festival, 15 00:00:44,586 --> 00:00:47,422 where she lost her teeny tiny golden shoe. 16 00:00:47,505 --> 00:00:49,049 -But the king found it… -Hmm. 17 00:00:49,132 --> 00:00:50,925 …and when he finally tracked her down, 18 00:00:51,009 --> 00:00:54,304 they fell in love and lived happily ever after. 19 00:00:54,387 --> 00:00:56,097 -And her evil stepmother… -[growls] 20 00:00:56,181 --> 00:00:58,516 …was crushed to death by stones in a cave. 21 00:00:59,184 --> 00:01:02,479 And in Greece, a similar story was once told. 22 00:01:02,562 --> 00:01:06,816 Except this beautiful, downtrodden girl was bathing in a river, 23 00:01:06,900 --> 00:01:09,819 when an eagle swooped in and stole her sandal, 24 00:01:09,903 --> 00:01:13,782 which it then serendipitously dropped right into the lap of a king. 25 00:01:13,865 --> 00:01:16,367 Spoiler alert: When he finally tracked her down, 26 00:01:16,451 --> 00:01:19,537 they fell in love, and they lived happily ever after. 27 00:01:20,747 --> 00:01:22,457 And there are plenty more. 28 00:01:22,540 --> 00:01:23,875 Downtrodden girl. 29 00:01:23,958 --> 00:01:25,293 Magical intervention. 30 00:01:25,376 --> 00:01:27,128 Loses her shoe, meets her love. 31 00:01:27,212 --> 00:01:29,130 Girl, magic, shoe, love. 32 00:01:30,381 --> 00:01:32,092 Back in 1893, 33 00:01:32,175 --> 00:01:36,262 a folklorist recorded 345 different versions of Cinderella 34 00:01:36,346 --> 00:01:37,931 told all around the world. 35 00:01:38,014 --> 00:01:41,101 Today, we think that number is in the thousands, 36 00:01:41,184 --> 00:01:43,019 and it's not just Cinderella. 37 00:01:43,103 --> 00:01:47,732 Many of the fairy tales you know and love exist in dozens of different countries. 38 00:01:48,358 --> 00:01:51,277 Why do we keep telling versions of the same story? 39 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,864 What is it about fairy tales? 40 00:01:54,948 --> 00:01:56,908 Ready? Let's go. 41 00:01:58,701 --> 00:02:02,497 [man 1] Between these covers, we find these immortal favorites. 42 00:02:03,081 --> 00:02:04,958 [man 2] Do you remember when you were small 43 00:02:05,041 --> 00:02:06,960 hearing the story of Red Riding Hood? 44 00:02:08,586 --> 00:02:10,964 Remember, when the clock strikes 12:00, 45 00:02:11,047 --> 00:02:12,674 you must be home by then. 46 00:02:12,757 --> 00:02:16,219 [man 3] Remember the lovely princess who was bewitched into a deep slumber 47 00:02:16,302 --> 00:02:19,347 until her Prince Charming came to break the spell? 48 00:02:19,430 --> 00:02:22,892 Come on, wake up! Wake up! You lazy good-for-nothing! 49 00:02:22,976 --> 00:02:24,269 Come on, wake up! 50 00:02:31,359 --> 00:02:34,821 When we talk about fairy tales, often we use the term 51 00:02:34,904 --> 00:02:39,075 to think about things that are unrealistically good. 52 00:02:39,159 --> 00:02:40,660 [Negga] You know the image, 53 00:02:40,743 --> 00:02:44,747 reproduced in so many movies, TV shows, advertisements. 54 00:02:44,831 --> 00:02:49,127 [Grady] And the camera sort of freezes on this impossibly beautiful moment. 55 00:02:49,752 --> 00:02:53,047 And often we're hearkening specifically to the idea 56 00:02:53,131 --> 00:02:55,133 of the ending of a Disney movie. 57 00:02:56,467 --> 00:02:58,511 [Negga] In 1937, Walt Disney, 58 00:02:58,595 --> 00:03:00,138 animator extraordinaire, 59 00:03:00,221 --> 00:03:02,098 co-inventor of Mickey Mouse, 60 00:03:02,807 --> 00:03:05,560 released Snow White, the rollicking story 61 00:03:05,643 --> 00:03:07,854 of a beautiful girl, her evil stepmother, 62 00:03:07,937 --> 00:03:11,274 and seven adorable dwarfs of varying temperaments. 63 00:03:11,357 --> 00:03:12,275 What? 64 00:03:12,358 --> 00:03:15,403 [Negga] It was his first ever full-length animation movie 65 00:03:15,486 --> 00:03:17,655 and made in Multiplane Technicolor, 66 00:03:17,739 --> 00:03:19,824 as they boasted in the movie's marketing. 67 00:03:19,908 --> 00:03:22,619 [man] More than 250,000 paintings like these 68 00:03:22,702 --> 00:03:25,538 were created by Walt Disney and his staff of artists. 69 00:03:25,622 --> 00:03:29,709 [Negga] Many copied frame by frame from a recording of these reference actors, 70 00:03:30,293 --> 00:03:33,671 so the characters looked and danced like real people. 71 00:03:34,464 --> 00:03:35,924 As opposed to, 72 00:03:36,007 --> 00:03:37,842 well, cartoons. 73 00:03:37,926 --> 00:03:39,844 Like these earlier Disney films. 74 00:03:40,428 --> 00:03:44,641 Production was so ambitious that newspapers labeled it his folly. 75 00:03:44,724 --> 00:03:47,769 But when Snow White came out, they changed their tune. 76 00:03:47,852 --> 00:03:50,813 It became an international sensation. 77 00:03:50,897 --> 00:03:54,442 You could buy Snow White accessories, Snow White dolls, 78 00:03:54,525 --> 00:03:56,736 a vast array of dwarf-inspired hats, 79 00:03:56,819 --> 00:03:59,364 and the first movie soundtrack ever sold. 80 00:03:59,989 --> 00:04:01,616 If you adjust for inflation, 81 00:04:01,699 --> 00:04:06,746 Snow White still ranks among the highest-grossing movies ever made. 82 00:04:07,372 --> 00:04:10,583 And it created the playbook for many Disney hits that followed. 83 00:04:10,667 --> 00:04:14,254 [Grady] This fantasy of ball gowns, and castles, 84 00:04:14,337 --> 00:04:18,257 and a poor young girl who has to find her happy ending, 85 00:04:18,341 --> 00:04:20,218 probably by marrying a prince. 86 00:04:21,135 --> 00:04:22,971 There's nothing wrong with any of that, 87 00:04:23,054 --> 00:04:26,891 but it's doing a very different thing from the earlier fairy tales. 88 00:04:27,392 --> 00:04:30,812 [Negga] If you want to know what fairy tales are really about, 89 00:04:30,895 --> 00:04:33,147 you have to ask the true experts. 90 00:04:33,648 --> 00:04:36,067 It's a thing 91 00:04:36,150 --> 00:04:39,070 that, uh, might be on movies, 92 00:04:39,153 --> 00:04:41,197 might be on books. 93 00:04:41,281 --> 00:04:43,574 It needs a main character. It's magical. 94 00:04:43,658 --> 00:04:44,659 Um… 95 00:04:45,243 --> 00:04:47,745 A fairy tale is basically a story 96 00:04:47,829 --> 00:04:48,955 which has 97 00:04:49,914 --> 00:04:53,710 pretty characters who say beautiful speeches. 98 00:04:53,793 --> 00:04:55,712 A fairy tale is 99 00:04:56,754 --> 00:04:58,339 not real. 100 00:04:58,423 --> 00:04:59,882 It's just a story. 101 00:04:59,966 --> 00:05:03,011 [in Spanish] That comes from another world, a world of magic, 102 00:05:03,094 --> 00:05:05,054 full of creativity, of many colors. 103 00:05:05,138 --> 00:05:09,058 I mean, a completely different world from the one we know. 104 00:05:09,142 --> 00:05:11,686 [Negga in English] And those definitions are pretty accurate. 105 00:05:11,769 --> 00:05:14,731 It might make sense to think of these stories 106 00:05:14,814 --> 00:05:18,401 as tales about metamorphosis and transformation. 107 00:05:18,484 --> 00:05:21,863 [Negga] Cinderella's rags turn into a beautiful dress. 108 00:05:21,946 --> 00:05:25,408 Snow White comes back to life with a true love's kiss. 109 00:05:25,491 --> 00:05:30,246 Jack's beans sprout a plant tower that stretches beyond the clouds. 110 00:05:30,830 --> 00:05:33,916 All fairy tales have mystery and magic in them. 111 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:37,462 [Negga] But so do a lot of stories that aren't fairy tales, 112 00:05:37,545 --> 00:05:40,715 so it might help to know what a fairy tale isn't. 113 00:05:42,633 --> 00:05:45,386 First, a fairy tale is not a legend. 114 00:05:46,220 --> 00:05:50,058 Legends are all stories with historical basis, 115 00:05:50,141 --> 00:05:52,518 set in a real time, a real place. 116 00:05:53,144 --> 00:05:55,938 A fairy tale setting should be ambiguous, 117 00:05:56,022 --> 00:05:59,525 which is why they often start with "Once upon a time." 118 00:05:59,609 --> 00:06:02,695 Or in Czech, "Beyond seven mountain ranges, 119 00:06:02,779 --> 00:06:04,530 beyond seven rivers." 120 00:06:04,614 --> 00:06:05,656 Or in Arabic, 121 00:06:05,740 --> 00:06:07,909 "There was, oh, what there was, 122 00:06:07,992 --> 00:06:11,788 or there wasn't, in the oldest of days and ages and times." 123 00:06:12,830 --> 00:06:15,166 A fairy tale is also not a myth. 124 00:06:15,249 --> 00:06:19,587 Which is often a sacred story, or a foundational story. 125 00:06:19,670 --> 00:06:24,342 A charter narrative about how a civilization began. 126 00:06:24,425 --> 00:06:26,844 -[Negga] In other words a religious story. -[hissing] 127 00:06:26,928 --> 00:06:29,639 And lastly, a fairy tale is not a fable, 128 00:06:29,722 --> 00:06:33,518 which are stories told specifically to convey a moral or message, 129 00:06:33,601 --> 00:06:36,604 often by way of a pair of talking animals. 130 00:06:36,687 --> 00:06:38,898 Like The Hare and the Tortoise, 131 00:06:38,981 --> 00:06:42,235 which shows us, you know, slow and steady wins the race. 132 00:06:42,318 --> 00:06:44,112 [tortoise] I am not afraid. 133 00:06:44,195 --> 00:06:47,031 I'll race you, and I'll win. 134 00:06:47,115 --> 00:06:49,992 [Negga] Fairy tales can have a moral element, 135 00:06:50,076 --> 00:06:52,286 but it's not always that clear what it is. 136 00:06:52,370 --> 00:06:55,790 Jack and the Beanstalk appears to be pro-stealing. 137 00:06:55,873 --> 00:06:57,333 At least from ogres. 138 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:01,212 It's a simple story. It's skeletal. 139 00:07:01,295 --> 00:07:03,339 The forces of good and evil. 140 00:07:03,423 --> 00:07:06,217 Not much nuance in there at all. 141 00:07:06,300 --> 00:07:08,594 [Negga] And they tend to follow a similar arc. 142 00:07:09,137 --> 00:07:11,305 The hero and their world is established, 143 00:07:11,389 --> 00:07:13,933 then the villain enters and does something villainous, 144 00:07:14,016 --> 00:07:17,311 the hero comes up with a plan to fix it, gets some magical help. 145 00:07:17,395 --> 00:07:20,565 There's a struggle, they escape, get rewarded. The end. 146 00:07:21,274 --> 00:07:24,986 There are a lot of stories that follow this arc. 147 00:07:25,069 --> 00:07:26,863 And only a small subset 148 00:07:26,946 --> 00:07:31,242 involve a pretty princess who's rescued by a prince and then gets married. 149 00:07:32,660 --> 00:07:34,871 Folklorists are Disney haters. 150 00:07:34,954 --> 00:07:38,457 It's a corporate fairy tale. It's top-down. 151 00:07:38,541 --> 00:07:42,753 And in some ways, what it has done is to give us a standardized version 152 00:07:42,837 --> 00:07:45,715 that has erased all of these local variants. 153 00:07:45,798 --> 00:07:47,842 [Negga] Like all those Cinderellas. 154 00:07:48,426 --> 00:07:51,179 Japan had its own Cinderella, Hachikazuki, 155 00:07:51,262 --> 00:07:53,848 and her story was uniquely Japanese. 156 00:07:53,931 --> 00:07:57,435 She's protected by a magic bowl stuck to her head, 157 00:07:57,518 --> 00:07:58,811 a Buddhist symbol. 158 00:07:58,895 --> 00:08:01,564 But when Disney's version of Cinderella came to Japan, 159 00:08:01,647 --> 00:08:04,233 she became a cultural phenomenon, 160 00:08:04,317 --> 00:08:06,777 featured in movies, books, accessories, 161 00:08:06,861 --> 00:08:10,489 and the All-Star Dream Cinderella wrestling tournament. 162 00:08:11,491 --> 00:08:15,453 Or take the Russian version of Snow White, preserved in this Soviet-era cartoon, 163 00:08:15,536 --> 00:08:17,580 which has the famous magic mirror, 164 00:08:17,663 --> 00:08:19,290 and the poisoned apple, 165 00:08:19,373 --> 00:08:22,084 but the seven dwarfs are seven knights. 166 00:08:22,168 --> 00:08:25,755 And their relationship to Snow White is a little different. 167 00:08:25,838 --> 00:08:28,508 [in Russian] As you know, you're our sister. 168 00:08:29,300 --> 00:08:32,970 All seven of us here are in love with you. 169 00:08:34,055 --> 00:08:37,099 [Negga in English] But even before Disney's Snow White conquered the world, 170 00:08:37,183 --> 00:08:40,019 the tale it's based on had pulled off a similar feat. 171 00:08:40,102 --> 00:08:43,064 A somewhat darker German folktale, 172 00:08:43,147 --> 00:08:46,359 Sneewittchen, which Disney clearly nods to. 173 00:08:46,442 --> 00:08:50,112 The dwarfs' house is a classic medieval Germanic design. 174 00:08:50,196 --> 00:08:53,574 So is the castle, with its rounded towers and iron finials, 175 00:08:53,658 --> 00:08:57,703 and Snow White's upturned collar, and puffy, slashed sleeves. 176 00:08:58,496 --> 00:09:01,749 That original German version had become so famous 177 00:09:01,832 --> 00:09:05,711 because of one of the great marketing coups in literary history. 178 00:09:05,795 --> 00:09:07,338 Turning fairy tales 179 00:09:08,047 --> 00:09:09,757 into kids' stories. 180 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:11,050 [bouncy music plays] 181 00:09:11,133 --> 00:09:15,429 Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm were librarians and amateur folklorists 182 00:09:15,513 --> 00:09:19,767 living in Prussia, now Germany, in the early 1800s, 183 00:09:19,850 --> 00:09:23,271 a period when Napoleon's empire was rapidly expanding, 184 00:09:23,354 --> 00:09:27,275 threatening, they thought, to eclipse German heritage entirely. 185 00:09:27,358 --> 00:09:30,152 So they traveled the country, collecting folk stories. 186 00:09:30,236 --> 00:09:33,948 [Tatar] They wanted to capture the remnants of a storytelling tradition 187 00:09:34,031 --> 00:09:35,574 before it disappeared. 188 00:09:35,658 --> 00:09:38,786 Stories that had been told by adults to other adults, 189 00:09:38,869 --> 00:09:40,871 with children present at times. 190 00:09:40,955 --> 00:09:42,290 [Negga] In 1812, 191 00:09:42,373 --> 00:09:46,252 they published a book titled Children and Household Tales, 192 00:09:46,335 --> 00:09:48,754 because the tales were about children, 193 00:09:48,838 --> 00:09:50,589 not for children. 194 00:09:51,549 --> 00:09:54,427 Well, this is their version of Rapunzel. 195 00:09:54,510 --> 00:09:56,637 There's a beautiful girl with magical hair, 196 00:09:56,721 --> 00:09:59,974 who's imprisoned in a tower by an evil sorceress, 197 00:10:00,057 --> 00:10:01,559 Mother Gothel. 198 00:10:01,642 --> 00:10:06,439 One day, a prince climbs up her hair to enjoy her company. 199 00:10:07,064 --> 00:10:09,775 -Rapunzel gets pregnant and has twins… -[babies crying] 200 00:10:09,859 --> 00:10:12,361 …so Gothel banishes them to the wilderness. 201 00:10:12,445 --> 00:10:14,238 They got terrible reviews. 202 00:10:14,322 --> 00:10:15,615 The book was panned. 203 00:10:16,449 --> 00:10:20,077 [Negga] A leading critic called it "pathetic and tasteless." 204 00:10:20,161 --> 00:10:23,289 And they decided, "Okay, we're gonna listen to these critics." 205 00:10:23,372 --> 00:10:26,083 "We're gonna make those stories more child-friendly." 206 00:10:26,167 --> 00:10:28,002 [Negga] By their final edition, 207 00:10:28,085 --> 00:10:30,880 the prince just chats to Rapunzel. 208 00:10:30,963 --> 00:10:32,590 Nobody gets pregnant. 209 00:10:32,673 --> 00:10:35,926 And then the prince's eyes get poked out by thorns. 210 00:10:36,010 --> 00:10:36,844 [groans] 211 00:10:36,927 --> 00:10:40,556 Child-friendly in 19th-century Germany meant more violence. 212 00:10:41,474 --> 00:10:43,851 A book called Shock-Headed Peter 213 00:10:43,934 --> 00:10:45,686 was a best seller at the time, 214 00:10:45,770 --> 00:10:47,897 with stories like a boy who sucks his thumb, 215 00:10:47,980 --> 00:10:50,524 and gets it chopped off by giant scissors. 216 00:10:50,608 --> 00:10:53,152 Or a boy who doesn't want to comb his hair, 217 00:10:53,235 --> 00:10:55,363 so he ends up looking like this, 218 00:10:55,446 --> 00:10:57,907 and his parents stop loving him. 219 00:10:58,574 --> 00:11:00,618 These were cautionary tales 220 00:11:00,701 --> 00:11:03,621 warning them about the dangers of curiosity. 221 00:11:03,704 --> 00:11:06,624 Becoming a manual of manners for children. 222 00:11:06,707 --> 00:11:08,876 [Negga] In the Grimms' version of Cinderella, 223 00:11:08,959 --> 00:11:11,545 the stepsisters cut off chunks of their feet 224 00:11:11,629 --> 00:11:14,173 to try to jam them into the slipper, 225 00:11:14,256 --> 00:11:16,759 but they're thwarted by a pesky pigeon. 226 00:11:16,842 --> 00:11:19,804 And it says, "Coo-coory coo, there's blood in the shoe." 227 00:11:19,887 --> 00:11:22,682 It's a rhyming couplet. I don't actually remember it. 228 00:11:22,765 --> 00:11:23,933 [Negga] It's actually… 229 00:11:24,016 --> 00:11:26,227 Rook di goo, rook di goo! 230 00:11:26,310 --> 00:11:27,937 There's blood in the shoe. 231 00:11:28,020 --> 00:11:29,814 The shoe is too tight. 232 00:11:29,897 --> 00:11:32,024 This bride is not right! 233 00:11:32,900 --> 00:11:35,945 [Negga] Later, the birds come back, and peck out their eyes. 234 00:11:36,904 --> 00:11:39,824 I have this very clear memory of being about three, 235 00:11:39,907 --> 00:11:43,119 and just being, like, super into it, and being like, 236 00:11:43,202 --> 00:11:46,205 "Yes, this is what these evil people deserve. Get 'em." 237 00:11:46,288 --> 00:11:48,874 [Negga] As the book spread internationally, 238 00:11:48,958 --> 00:11:50,835 editors added illustrations. 239 00:11:50,918 --> 00:11:53,170 [Tatar] That is a real inflection point. 240 00:11:53,254 --> 00:11:56,841 They became part of what we now call bedtime reading. 241 00:11:56,924 --> 00:12:00,302 [Negga] Inspiring other writers, like Denmark's Hans Christian Andersen, 242 00:12:00,386 --> 00:12:02,638 to make up fairy tales of their own. 243 00:12:03,472 --> 00:12:07,685 But in their prologue, the Grimms made a pretty magical claim. 244 00:12:08,227 --> 00:12:10,479 Their stories were ancient, 245 00:12:10,563 --> 00:12:13,566 linked to the earlier and simplest forms of life. 246 00:12:13,649 --> 00:12:18,529 There had often been the assumption that a lot of these stories were very old. 247 00:12:18,612 --> 00:12:23,951 And that's because we find many of the same stories in different cultures, 248 00:12:24,034 --> 00:12:26,996 cultures that we know are related to one another. 249 00:12:27,580 --> 00:12:29,790 [Negga] More than a century before the Grimms, 250 00:12:29,874 --> 00:12:33,586 Charles Perrault had published a hit book of fairy tales in France, 251 00:12:33,669 --> 00:12:36,338 which included a lot of the same stories. 252 00:12:36,422 --> 00:12:38,299 There had been earlier writers too, 253 00:12:38,382 --> 00:12:41,385 and it was possible that they had actually invented these stories, 254 00:12:41,469 --> 00:12:43,679 and then they spread like wildfire. 255 00:12:43,762 --> 00:12:45,681 A lot of these stories 256 00:12:45,765 --> 00:12:47,683 may just simply be very catchy. 257 00:12:47,766 --> 00:12:49,727 They may just be really entertaining stories 258 00:12:49,810 --> 00:12:52,730 that people love hearing and love telling, 259 00:12:52,813 --> 00:12:56,275 so therefore may not be ancient in origin at all. 260 00:12:57,026 --> 00:12:58,944 [Negga] But solving that mystery 261 00:12:59,028 --> 00:13:00,654 was next to impossible. 262 00:13:01,614 --> 00:13:03,616 Take Little Red Riding Hood. 263 00:13:03,699 --> 00:13:08,537 This map is a snapshot of all the times a version of the story was written down. 264 00:13:08,621 --> 00:13:11,707 By a missionary in West Africa, a poet in China, 265 00:13:11,790 --> 00:13:13,751 or two brothers in Germany. 266 00:13:13,834 --> 00:13:16,629 But in between all of those recorded stories 267 00:13:16,712 --> 00:13:19,840 are thousands of miles and hundreds of years. 268 00:13:19,924 --> 00:13:24,470 Now, that's very similar to the problem that evolutionary biologists have 269 00:13:24,553 --> 00:13:28,641 in trying to reconstruct the history of life, 270 00:13:28,724 --> 00:13:31,602 because only a tiny fraction 271 00:13:31,685 --> 00:13:35,481 of all the species that have ever existed have left any trace at all. 272 00:13:35,564 --> 00:13:38,359 [Negga] But by tracking a certain trait or gene, 273 00:13:38,442 --> 00:13:41,570 they're able to show how species evolved 274 00:13:41,654 --> 00:13:44,490 and even prove the existence of shared ancestors 275 00:13:44,573 --> 00:13:46,200 that are long extinct. 276 00:13:46,992 --> 00:13:49,328 And Tehrani took the same approach. 277 00:13:50,246 --> 00:13:53,457 The core DNA of Little Red Riding Hood is simple. 278 00:13:53,541 --> 00:13:55,042 A child, or children, 279 00:13:55,125 --> 00:13:57,920 is isolated from a parent, then tricked by a predator, 280 00:13:58,003 --> 00:14:00,589 who is pretending to be a beloved relative. 281 00:14:00,673 --> 00:14:03,050 But there are also lots of mutations. 282 00:14:03,133 --> 00:14:05,344 In Europe, the predator is a wolf. 283 00:14:05,427 --> 00:14:06,971 In China, it's a tiger. 284 00:14:07,054 --> 00:14:08,764 In Africa, an ogre. 285 00:14:08,848 --> 00:14:11,976 In some stories, the child wears a red riding hood. 286 00:14:12,059 --> 00:14:14,228 And in others, the child is a goat. 287 00:14:14,311 --> 00:14:17,147 Sometimes, the child dies or… 288 00:14:17,231 --> 00:14:20,150 A passing woodcutter comes and cuts open the wolf's stomach 289 00:14:20,234 --> 00:14:22,152 and rescues Little Red Riding Hood from it. 290 00:14:22,236 --> 00:14:23,445 [Negga] And other times… 291 00:14:23,529 --> 00:14:25,447 She doesn't need a man to rescue her. 292 00:14:25,531 --> 00:14:28,826 She figures out a way to get away from the wolf herself. 293 00:14:28,909 --> 00:14:31,287 [Negga] And based on all those variations, 294 00:14:31,370 --> 00:14:33,872 Tehrani traced how the story must have spread. 295 00:14:33,956 --> 00:14:38,669 [Tehrani] You get a kind of family tree of versions of Little Red Riding Hood. 296 00:14:38,752 --> 00:14:40,796 [Negga] Fanning out into three continents, 297 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:44,925 and splitting off into smaller branches as details were added or lost. 298 00:14:45,634 --> 00:14:47,928 This tree tells its own story 299 00:14:48,012 --> 00:14:50,139 of the places a tale traveled, 300 00:14:50,222 --> 00:14:53,434 and of the generations of people who shared and loved it, 301 00:14:53,517 --> 00:14:54,977 and made it their own. 302 00:14:55,811 --> 00:14:57,896 By tracing any branch back, 303 00:14:57,980 --> 00:15:00,774 you can also see which stories share an ancestor. 304 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:02,860 Like the Grimms' version. 305 00:15:02,943 --> 00:15:04,695 Their proudly German tale 306 00:15:04,778 --> 00:15:08,115 is a direct descendant of Perrault's French one. 307 00:15:08,198 --> 00:15:12,119 One of the Grimms' main sources had actually been a family friend, 308 00:15:12,202 --> 00:15:13,954 the daughter of French immigrants. 309 00:15:14,038 --> 00:15:15,497 Who probably were familiar 310 00:15:15,581 --> 00:15:18,250 with the version that Perrault had first written down. 311 00:15:18,334 --> 00:15:22,087 [Negga] But Perrault definitely hadn't invented it. 312 00:15:22,171 --> 00:15:26,091 The original Little Red Riding Hood predates any famous book, 313 00:15:26,634 --> 00:15:29,595 originating at least a thousand years ago. 314 00:15:30,262 --> 00:15:33,098 But we're not sure from where or when. 315 00:15:33,182 --> 00:15:37,561 [Tatar] We imagine human beings gathered around campsites, 316 00:15:37,645 --> 00:15:39,688 telling stories to each other. 317 00:15:39,772 --> 00:15:42,358 One, to pass on ancestral wisdom, 318 00:15:42,441 --> 00:15:44,693 and also for the sake of entertainment. 319 00:15:45,277 --> 00:15:48,656 These stories have been passed down from generation to generation 320 00:15:48,739 --> 00:15:50,240 for a long, long time. 321 00:15:51,116 --> 00:15:53,911 [Negga] Beauty and the Beast, that's 4,000 years old. 322 00:15:53,994 --> 00:15:56,497 Jack and the Beanstalk is 5,000. 323 00:15:56,580 --> 00:15:59,166 And the oldest fairy tale they studied… 324 00:15:59,249 --> 00:16:03,253 You find in Germany, and in Western Europe, 325 00:16:03,337 --> 00:16:05,673 and in Eastern Europe, and in Western Asia, 326 00:16:05,756 --> 00:16:08,884 lots of these different populations that can be traced way back 327 00:16:08,968 --> 00:16:11,011 to the last common ancestors. 328 00:16:11,095 --> 00:16:13,764 [Negga] Six thousand years ago. 329 00:16:13,847 --> 00:16:17,601 Five thousand five hundred years before we invented printing. 330 00:16:17,685 --> 00:16:20,521 Four thousand before we invented paper. 331 00:16:20,604 --> 00:16:23,774 Two thousand before we first wrote a story down, 332 00:16:23,857 --> 00:16:26,318 the Epic of Gilgamesh. 333 00:16:27,069 --> 00:16:31,365 It was first told right around the time we figured out how to make bronze, 334 00:16:31,448 --> 00:16:33,575 a civilization-changing event. 335 00:16:34,159 --> 00:16:37,413 Which may be why the story is The Smith and the Devil. 336 00:16:37,496 --> 00:16:43,752 [Tehrani] The blacksmith makes a deal with a malevolent, supernatural figure. 337 00:16:43,836 --> 00:16:46,755 He wants to be able to weld any materials together 338 00:16:46,839 --> 00:16:48,882 to be the greatest blacksmith that's ever lived. 339 00:16:48,966 --> 00:16:52,678 And in return, he will give up his soul. 340 00:16:52,761 --> 00:16:55,597 [Negga] If you haven't heard that story, you've heard a version of it. 341 00:16:55,681 --> 00:16:58,559 I had to be at that there crossroads last midnight 342 00:16:58,642 --> 00:17:00,227 to sell my soul to the devil. 343 00:17:00,310 --> 00:17:02,646 I offered my soul to Satan, 344 00:17:02,730 --> 00:17:06,525 if he would raise the Hessian from the grave to avenge me. 345 00:17:07,526 --> 00:17:09,737 Would you be willing to make a deal? 346 00:17:14,116 --> 00:17:15,159 Name your price. 347 00:17:15,743 --> 00:17:17,119 [Negga] In Christian societies, 348 00:17:17,202 --> 00:17:20,122 it's become a story about the dangers of ambition, 349 00:17:20,664 --> 00:17:22,332 but in the original version… 350 00:17:22,416 --> 00:17:24,293 [Tehrani] The first thing the blacksmith does 351 00:17:24,376 --> 00:17:27,963 is sticks the devil to the spot, so the devil can't move. 352 00:17:28,047 --> 00:17:31,675 So he gets to be this kind of best blacksmith of all time 353 00:17:31,759 --> 00:17:34,636 and also gets to keep his soul, so he tricks the devil. 354 00:17:35,596 --> 00:17:38,015 Fairy tales have been 355 00:17:38,098 --> 00:17:40,184 beta tested for a really long time. 356 00:17:40,267 --> 00:17:43,437 They are stories that have just been honed down 357 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:47,149 to a series of very evocative, specific details 358 00:17:47,232 --> 00:17:50,235 over centuries and centuries of retelling. 359 00:17:50,319 --> 00:17:52,654 [Negga] It's story survival of the fittest. 360 00:17:52,738 --> 00:17:56,200 As a story evolves, it sheds anything superfluous. 361 00:17:56,909 --> 00:17:59,703 That's why the characters and plots are so simple, 362 00:17:59,787 --> 00:18:03,040 which means they can be easily adapted to the times. 363 00:18:03,123 --> 00:18:06,877 There are so many evil stepmothers because before the 20th century, 364 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,838 it was pretty common for women to die in childbirth. 365 00:18:09,922 --> 00:18:12,925 And Disney's Cinderella got a pumpkin carriage 366 00:18:13,008 --> 00:18:16,887 because when Charles Perrault originally wrote that version down, 367 00:18:16,970 --> 00:18:19,014 people were excited about pumpkins. 368 00:18:19,098 --> 00:18:22,893 They were the cool new crop brought over from the Americas. 369 00:18:24,186 --> 00:18:25,938 Some of the earliest movies 370 00:18:26,021 --> 00:18:29,066 by legendary illusionist Georges Méliès 371 00:18:29,149 --> 00:18:31,819 were versions of Cinderella and Bluebeard. 372 00:18:31,902 --> 00:18:36,657 The not-so-child-friendly story of a woman who discovers that her new husband 373 00:18:36,740 --> 00:18:39,409 has a habit of murdering his wives. 374 00:18:40,410 --> 00:18:44,081 And then Lotte Reiniger moved them into a whole new world, 375 00:18:44,164 --> 00:18:46,917 cutting puppets and choreographing their shadows, 376 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:50,754 producing the true first full-length animated movie. 377 00:18:52,047 --> 00:18:55,801 And this film, a 1916 version of the Grimms' Snow White, 378 00:18:55,884 --> 00:18:58,178 played to packed theaters 379 00:18:58,262 --> 00:19:01,932 barely able to hold the crowds of people desperate to see it. 380 00:19:02,015 --> 00:19:04,560 Including, the story goes, 381 00:19:04,643 --> 00:19:06,311 a young boy named Walt, 382 00:19:07,187 --> 00:19:11,275 who was so enchanted by it that he grew up to make his own version. 383 00:19:13,277 --> 00:19:17,156 Disney has created the one story that we all know. 384 00:19:17,239 --> 00:19:18,907 And so, in that sense, 385 00:19:18,991 --> 00:19:24,496 you could say that it's had a kind of negative cultural effect. 386 00:19:24,580 --> 00:19:27,374 But Disney kept the stories alive. 387 00:19:27,457 --> 00:19:29,334 Were it not for Disney, 388 00:19:29,418 --> 00:19:32,421 many of these fairy tales might have disappeared. 389 00:19:32,504 --> 00:19:37,384 Fairy tales are very much a product of the time in which they are made. 390 00:19:37,467 --> 00:19:39,636 If you look at Snow White, 391 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:41,805 that's a movie made in the '30s. 392 00:19:42,514 --> 00:19:44,224 The feminine ideal at the time, 393 00:19:44,308 --> 00:19:47,352 who is sweet and industrious, and cleans, 394 00:19:47,436 --> 00:19:52,482 and is a sort of passive ideal of womanhood and of femininity. 395 00:19:53,233 --> 00:19:58,030 [Negga] Disney also famously only hired white men in creative positions. 396 00:19:58,113 --> 00:20:01,366 As the company explained in this rejection letter, 397 00:20:01,450 --> 00:20:05,495 quote, "Girls weren't even considered for their training school." 398 00:20:06,246 --> 00:20:07,831 But times have changed. 399 00:20:07,915 --> 00:20:12,586 Frozen is the first Disney animated movie to be directed by a woman. 400 00:20:12,669 --> 00:20:17,090 [Tatar] Which was inspired by Andersen's story of The Snow Queen, 401 00:20:17,174 --> 00:20:20,093 but which becomes a kind of hymn 402 00:20:20,177 --> 00:20:23,222 to the solidarity of sisters, 403 00:20:23,305 --> 00:20:26,642 and the solidarity of women in general. 404 00:20:26,725 --> 00:20:29,728 In many ways, when we rewrite the fairy tales to be more feminist, 405 00:20:29,811 --> 00:20:33,232 we're not really going forwards so much as we are going back. 406 00:20:33,315 --> 00:20:35,359 [Negga] The writer Madame d'Aulnoy 407 00:20:35,442 --> 00:20:38,904 gave us the term "fairy tale" back in the 17th century. 408 00:20:38,987 --> 00:20:42,908 And in her version of Cinderella, the beautiful, downtrodden girl 409 00:20:42,991 --> 00:20:45,410 is nicknamed "Little Clever Girl," 410 00:20:45,494 --> 00:20:48,205 because she triumphs by outsmarting her enemies 411 00:20:48,288 --> 00:20:51,708 and making friends in high places with the fairies. 412 00:20:51,792 --> 00:20:55,087 [Grady] She spends the whole time being nice to all of her enemies, 413 00:20:55,170 --> 00:20:57,839 but the moral that you're given at the end of this version is 414 00:20:57,923 --> 00:21:01,718 it's really funny when you're nice to people who are terrible, 415 00:21:01,802 --> 00:21:03,720 and then you beat them anyway. 416 00:21:04,805 --> 00:21:07,516 [Negga] As fairy tales moved on from campfires into homes, 417 00:21:07,599 --> 00:21:10,060 then onto pages and finally screens, 418 00:21:10,143 --> 00:21:12,354 some stories faded into the shadows. 419 00:21:13,355 --> 00:21:15,357 But today more than ever before, 420 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,693 we have access to different branches, 421 00:21:17,776 --> 00:21:20,570 different trees, different forests entirely. 422 00:21:22,281 --> 00:21:25,575 The film Coco introduced millions to Mexican folklore 423 00:21:25,659 --> 00:21:28,328 about the importance of remembering your ancestors. 424 00:21:29,037 --> 00:21:31,873 Moana was based on Polynesian folk traditions 425 00:21:31,957 --> 00:21:34,668 that remind us to care for our communities. 426 00:21:34,751 --> 00:21:37,004 And Japan's Hayao Miyazaki 427 00:21:37,087 --> 00:21:39,923 has given the world tales about the horrors of violence, 428 00:21:40,007 --> 00:21:42,467 and respect for the natural world. 429 00:21:42,551 --> 00:21:44,761 A theme shared by the Celtic folklore 430 00:21:44,845 --> 00:21:47,097 that inspired the film Wolfwalkers. 431 00:21:48,223 --> 00:21:50,809 [Tatar] The great thing about going global is 432 00:21:50,892 --> 00:21:55,230 that we realize that there's this golden chain of folklore 433 00:21:55,313 --> 00:21:57,107 that unites all of us. 434 00:21:57,190 --> 00:22:01,528 That is, these stories can get us talking across continents, 435 00:22:01,611 --> 00:22:03,613 across cultural divides, 436 00:22:03,697 --> 00:22:05,323 across linguistic divides. 437 00:22:05,407 --> 00:22:10,912 Fairy tales are stories that have survived for thousands of years for a reason, 438 00:22:10,996 --> 00:22:13,790 because they help us think about these problems 439 00:22:13,874 --> 00:22:16,209 that are fundamental to the human experience. 440 00:22:16,293 --> 00:22:18,086 The very best folktales 441 00:22:18,170 --> 00:22:21,882 are the ones that are both highly adaptable, 442 00:22:21,965 --> 00:22:27,220 but also ones that really speak to kind of fundamental truths, 443 00:22:27,304 --> 00:22:30,098 fundamental concerns, that are going to be relevant 444 00:22:30,182 --> 00:22:33,185 to all humans everywhere and at every time. 445 00:22:33,894 --> 00:22:37,022 I learned that don't talk to strangers, 446 00:22:37,105 --> 00:22:39,483 and always listen to your parents 447 00:22:39,566 --> 00:22:41,360 or the family you know. 448 00:22:41,443 --> 00:22:45,072 If I saw the wolf, I would just keep walking, not talk to him, 449 00:22:45,155 --> 00:22:46,865 go to grandmother's house, 450 00:22:46,948 --> 00:22:49,201 and just eat, no stopping. 451 00:22:50,035 --> 00:22:51,995 You don't always have to 452 00:22:52,954 --> 00:22:54,498 wear something pretty 453 00:22:54,581 --> 00:22:56,500 or look pretty 454 00:22:56,583 --> 00:22:59,044 to be pretty from the inside. 455 00:22:59,127 --> 00:23:00,712 If the person liked you, 456 00:23:00,796 --> 00:23:04,800 or they wanted to be your friend, they will like you for who you are. 457 00:23:04,883 --> 00:23:07,010 [in Spanish] If we believe and trust ourselves, 458 00:23:07,094 --> 00:23:09,888 we can move forward, no matter what. 459 00:23:11,139 --> 00:23:13,642 [Negga in English] And they lived peacefully and prosperous. 460 00:23:14,351 --> 00:23:18,063 Or happily and contentedly until the end of their days. 461 00:23:18,146 --> 00:23:21,441 Or in happiness and luxury to this very day. 462 00:23:22,067 --> 00:23:23,819 Or happily ever after. 463 00:23:25,028 --> 00:23:27,364 Or snip, snap, snout, and then the story was out. 464 00:23:27,447 --> 00:23:30,325 [closing theme music playing]