1 00:00:07,841 --> 00:00:09,009 [narrator] In 2004, 2 00:00:09,092 --> 00:00:12,387 the Carolina Panthers faced off against the New England Patriots. 3 00:00:13,013 --> 00:00:16,600 It's considered one of the best Super Bowl games ever played, 4 00:00:17,267 --> 00:00:19,978 but it went down in history for another reason. 5 00:00:20,729 --> 00:00:24,316 [man] Many who watched the game on CBS saw something they weren't expecting 6 00:00:24,399 --> 00:00:28,362 during the halftime show that left singer Janet Jackson overexposed. 7 00:00:28,445 --> 00:00:30,781 Accident or planned shock stunt, 8 00:00:30,864 --> 00:00:33,283 or wardrobe malfunction. Whatever it was… 9 00:00:33,367 --> 00:00:35,244 Viacom, which owns CBS, 10 00:00:35,327 --> 00:00:38,622 will have to pay 550,000 dollars. 11 00:00:38,705 --> 00:00:42,251 [narrator] The next day, Janet Jackson apologized. 12 00:00:42,334 --> 00:00:44,920 I am really sorry 13 00:00:45,003 --> 00:00:48,131 if I offended anyone. That was truly not my intention. 14 00:00:48,882 --> 00:00:51,385 [narrator] But the media couldn't get enough. 15 00:00:51,468 --> 00:00:54,304 A, quote, "friend" of Justin Timberlake 16 00:00:54,388 --> 00:00:56,473 anonymously told tabloids 17 00:00:56,557 --> 00:00:59,601 she lied to him and had taken advantage of him 18 00:00:59,685 --> 00:01:01,353 to keep her career alive. 19 00:01:01,979 --> 00:01:06,066 Which was part of a pile-on that Janet Jackson was to blame. 20 00:01:08,068 --> 00:01:11,113 And the next week, when Justin apologized, 21 00:01:11,196 --> 00:01:13,240 he opened with a laugh line. 22 00:01:13,323 --> 00:01:15,576 Listen, I know it's been a rough week on everybody, 23 00:01:15,659 --> 00:01:16,493 -and… -[laughter] 24 00:01:16,577 --> 00:01:18,704 [narrator] And could hardly hold back his smirk. 25 00:01:18,787 --> 00:01:20,706 What occurred was unintentional, 26 00:01:21,373 --> 00:01:23,000 completely regrettable, 27 00:01:23,083 --> 00:01:25,252 and I apologize if you guys were offended. 28 00:01:25,877 --> 00:01:28,380 [narrator] That wouldn't fly as an apology today. 29 00:01:29,339 --> 00:01:31,133 We are in an age of apology. 30 00:01:31,216 --> 00:01:33,302 We cannot read the news 31 00:01:33,385 --> 00:01:36,054 without learning about a new public apology that's been offered. 32 00:01:36,138 --> 00:01:37,973 [narrator] From politicians, 33 00:01:38,056 --> 00:01:39,433 celebrities, 34 00:01:39,516 --> 00:01:43,103 and even governments apologizing for past crimes. 35 00:01:43,186 --> 00:01:45,772 I think one of the concerns people may have 36 00:01:45,856 --> 00:01:49,318 is that with there being so many apologies out there 37 00:01:49,401 --> 00:01:51,153 that they may be less effective. 38 00:01:51,236 --> 00:01:53,530 [Schumann] Something called normative dilution. 39 00:01:53,614 --> 00:01:55,824 [narrator] The more people apologize, 40 00:01:55,907 --> 00:01:58,118 the more we expect apologies, 41 00:01:58,201 --> 00:02:01,330 but the less willing we are to forgive. 42 00:02:01,413 --> 00:02:03,248 As people get more sophisticated 43 00:02:03,332 --> 00:02:06,501 and see more of these type of apologies, they do hope for more. 44 00:02:06,585 --> 00:02:09,630 They hope for some sign that it's actually coming from the person's heart. 45 00:02:09,713 --> 00:02:12,132 [narrator] So, what makes a good apology, 46 00:02:12,215 --> 00:02:14,509 and what power do they really hold? 47 00:02:17,137 --> 00:02:18,972 I can't tell you how sorry I am. 48 00:02:19,640 --> 00:02:22,142 [woman] He'll probably have a perfectly good explanation 49 00:02:22,225 --> 00:02:23,560 for why he was so late. 50 00:02:23,644 --> 00:02:26,104 -Then he'll apologize. -Apology! 51 00:02:27,105 --> 00:02:30,776 We come together today to offer our nation's apology. 52 00:02:30,859 --> 00:02:33,487 I must take complete responsibility for all my actions. 53 00:02:34,071 --> 00:02:36,073 [man] I did not come here to apologize. 54 00:02:36,156 --> 00:02:39,242 I'm not gonna change my mind and I'm not going to be apologetic about it. 55 00:02:40,911 --> 00:02:46,333 This is an opportunity to put the past behind you. 56 00:02:54,257 --> 00:02:56,760 [Palmer] "Forgive me, God, for I have sinned." 57 00:02:56,843 --> 00:02:59,554 For thousands of years in the English-speaking world, 58 00:02:59,638 --> 00:03:03,016 as far as we can tell, these were the only apologies. 59 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,311 Apologies to a higher power. 60 00:03:06,395 --> 00:03:10,565 A researcher analyzed all the surviving texts in Old English 61 00:03:10,649 --> 00:03:14,403 and couldn't find any genuine instance of apologizing. 62 00:03:15,237 --> 00:03:17,572 But then, in the 1590s, 63 00:03:17,656 --> 00:03:19,991 Shakespeare wrote these words: 64 00:03:20,075 --> 00:03:22,994 "My lord, there needs no such apology." 65 00:03:23,078 --> 00:03:25,789 "I do beseech your Grace to pardon me." 66 00:03:26,707 --> 00:03:30,711 It was the first known use of "apology" in the modern sense 67 00:03:30,794 --> 00:03:32,546 and a whole new ritual, 68 00:03:32,629 --> 00:03:35,966 performing our inner contrition to our fellow man. 69 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:38,593 It's difficult to apologize, 70 00:03:38,677 --> 00:03:41,763 and it's difficult to apologize in a sincere, meaningful way. 71 00:03:42,347 --> 00:03:45,308 [Palmer] But there's usually a handful of key elements. 72 00:03:45,934 --> 00:03:48,562 First, an expression of remorse. 73 00:03:48,645 --> 00:03:51,732 So, this is what we think of when we think about what an apology is. 74 00:03:51,815 --> 00:03:55,902 "I'm sorry. I apologize. I feel terrible." Those types of statements. 75 00:03:55,986 --> 00:03:57,529 [Palmer] Number two. 76 00:03:57,612 --> 00:04:00,407 Acknowledging the harm and suffering the victim experienced 77 00:04:00,490 --> 00:04:01,867 as a result of our actions. 78 00:04:01,950 --> 00:04:03,952 That helps them feel validated and understood. 79 00:04:04,619 --> 00:04:07,289 You also really want to take responsibility. 80 00:04:07,372 --> 00:04:10,292 It's really psychologically important for the victim to hear that. 81 00:04:10,375 --> 00:04:14,129 [Palmer] Offering an explanation for your behavior can help. 82 00:04:14,212 --> 00:04:15,630 And then, to move forward… 83 00:04:15,714 --> 00:04:18,550 [Schumann] An offer of repair or commitment to change. 84 00:04:19,050 --> 00:04:22,053 [Palmer] And finally, a request for forgiveness. 85 00:04:23,138 --> 00:04:24,306 In Karina's research, 86 00:04:24,389 --> 00:04:27,768 people usually say they include four or five of these elements 87 00:04:27,851 --> 00:04:29,853 in their everyday apologies. 88 00:04:29,936 --> 00:04:32,689 But in reality, it's typically just two. 89 00:04:33,231 --> 00:04:36,651 [Schumann] You are battling this push and pull 90 00:04:36,735 --> 00:04:40,739 between wanting to do the right thing, wanting to repair the relationship, 91 00:04:40,822 --> 00:04:42,824 wanting to make the other person feel better, 92 00:04:42,908 --> 00:04:46,286 but also protecting your self-identity as a good person, 93 00:04:46,369 --> 00:04:48,872 not only to the other person, but also to yourself. 94 00:04:48,955 --> 00:04:50,499 That can be very uncomfortable. 95 00:04:51,082 --> 00:04:54,878 [Palmer] And public apologies can be an even trickier performance. 96 00:04:54,961 --> 00:04:58,131 It's hard to satisfy an audience of millions. 97 00:04:58,215 --> 00:05:02,177 There are a ton of considerations when one's deciding whether to apologize. 98 00:05:02,260 --> 00:05:05,597 One of the most important is the audience that matters the most to you. 99 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,308 [Palmer] Matthew Hiltzik is a crisis manager 100 00:05:08,391 --> 00:05:10,435 with a lot of star clients. 101 00:05:10,519 --> 00:05:12,562 It's a thriving business. 102 00:05:12,646 --> 00:05:16,900 I'm gonna answer this. I need to just take a call in a second. 103 00:05:16,983 --> 00:05:19,277 Let me do this, and I'll come right back. 104 00:05:19,361 --> 00:05:22,197 Can I pause for one second? I apologize. I just need… 105 00:05:22,280 --> 00:05:24,991 I apologize for these breaks. This should not hopefully take very long. 106 00:05:25,075 --> 00:05:26,409 Little busier than I thought. 107 00:05:26,493 --> 00:05:28,537 Yeah, it's just one of these days. 108 00:05:28,620 --> 00:05:30,121 I apologize in advance. 109 00:05:30,705 --> 00:05:35,377 You've seen a significant reduction in the big get of an interview, 110 00:05:35,460 --> 00:05:37,838 where you have the celebrity on the couch. 111 00:05:37,921 --> 00:05:42,092 I'm sitting here today to acknowledge that and to say I'm sorry for that. 112 00:05:42,175 --> 00:05:43,760 I just want to apologize. 113 00:05:43,844 --> 00:05:48,515 I'm sorry, and I don't deserve or expect your forgiveness. 114 00:05:48,598 --> 00:05:51,017 They're not taking the chance of having to subject themselves 115 00:05:51,101 --> 00:05:52,561 to the interview process from others. 116 00:05:52,644 --> 00:05:56,147 They have the chance to be able to speak directly to their audiences 117 00:05:56,231 --> 00:05:58,400 in a way that never happened in the past. 118 00:05:58,483 --> 00:06:03,321 [Palmer] Which is a different kind of performance in direct-to-camera videos. 119 00:06:03,405 --> 00:06:07,158 I'm very sorry to anybody who's taken offense. 120 00:06:07,242 --> 00:06:09,286 I'm sorry to everyone that I hurt. 121 00:06:09,870 --> 00:06:10,996 I apologize. 122 00:06:11,079 --> 00:06:13,707 [Palmer] Or statements given a personal touch 123 00:06:13,790 --> 00:06:16,042 by writing them on the iPhone Notes app, 124 00:06:16,126 --> 00:06:19,504 taking a screenshot and posting that to social media. 125 00:06:20,130 --> 00:06:23,008 And so on the one hand, it's great, because it's a lot easier. 126 00:06:23,091 --> 00:06:26,136 You can just say what you want to say and exactly how you want to say it. 127 00:06:26,219 --> 00:06:28,388 [Palmer] But even with that extra control, 128 00:06:28,471 --> 00:06:31,600 a lot of people still struggle to hit these marks. 129 00:06:32,434 --> 00:06:36,313 The biggest mistake that people make when apologizing is to interweave 130 00:06:36,396 --> 00:06:38,690 little defensive components in there 131 00:06:38,773 --> 00:06:42,110 that help them save face, that help them protect their self-image. 132 00:06:42,193 --> 00:06:46,323 [Palmer] Expressions of remorse that don't sound that remorseful. 133 00:06:46,406 --> 00:06:48,575 I sincerely apologize. 134 00:06:48,658 --> 00:06:49,492 I'm a comic. 135 00:06:50,201 --> 00:06:51,328 I crossed the line. 136 00:06:51,411 --> 00:06:52,412 I moved the line. 137 00:06:53,622 --> 00:06:56,666 [Palmer] Or sounding too remorseful. 138 00:06:56,750 --> 00:06:58,126 I'm so sorry. 139 00:06:58,668 --> 00:06:59,502 [sniffles] 140 00:06:59,586 --> 00:07:01,963 [sobbing] I hope one day that you guys… 141 00:07:03,423 --> 00:07:05,967 can see me for the woman that I am. 142 00:07:07,552 --> 00:07:11,181 [Palmer] Laura Lee later apologized for her apology. 143 00:07:11,264 --> 00:07:13,767 In that video, I come off more as a victim. 144 00:07:13,850 --> 00:07:16,686 I am not a victim in any way, form, or fashion 145 00:07:16,770 --> 00:07:18,688 in this situation. 146 00:07:19,481 --> 00:07:22,442 [Palmer] There's also a tendency to deflect blame, 147 00:07:22,525 --> 00:07:25,946 like suggesting the reaction is the real problem. 148 00:07:26,029 --> 00:07:29,991 I didn't want all the screaming and yelling about this trip 149 00:07:30,075 --> 00:07:33,328 to distract even one moment from the real issues 150 00:07:33,411 --> 00:07:35,080 that I think Texans care about. 151 00:07:35,163 --> 00:07:37,791 [Palmer] Or avoiding "I" statements. 152 00:07:37,874 --> 00:07:41,044 I am sorry she was treated the way she was treated. 153 00:07:41,127 --> 00:07:43,046 [Palmer] Or in the case of Ja Rule, 154 00:07:43,129 --> 00:07:45,966 who co-produced the disastrous Fyre Festival, 155 00:07:46,049 --> 00:07:48,134 you can be a lot more explicit. 156 00:07:49,469 --> 00:07:53,264 Putting your foot down and saying, "I'm standing by my actions." 157 00:07:53,348 --> 00:07:56,267 "I refuse to apologize for this." 158 00:07:56,351 --> 00:07:59,145 This comes with a power boost and self-esteem boost 159 00:07:59,229 --> 00:08:04,317 because people feel like they're taking control back over the situation. 160 00:08:04,901 --> 00:08:06,569 [Palmer] And that's a natural impulse, 161 00:08:06,653 --> 00:08:09,781 especially when the situation isn't so clear-cut. 162 00:08:10,323 --> 00:08:13,910 Oftentimes, we all feel a little bit victimized, at least. 163 00:08:14,577 --> 00:08:17,122 And we all feel like we're the ones 164 00:08:17,205 --> 00:08:19,708 who deserve an apology from the other person. 165 00:08:19,791 --> 00:08:21,668 [Palmer] Which is why some experts say 166 00:08:21,751 --> 00:08:24,629 a good apology shouldn't be a performance at all, 167 00:08:24,713 --> 00:08:26,965 but really, a conversation. 168 00:08:28,049 --> 00:08:31,052 My name is Donnell Penny. I'm from Brooklyn, New York. 169 00:08:31,136 --> 00:08:33,263 Lafayette Gardens, not too far from here. 170 00:08:33,847 --> 00:08:37,934 [Palmer] In the summer of 2011, Donnell was going about a regular day, 171 00:08:38,018 --> 00:08:40,770 until his brother burst into the room. 172 00:08:40,854 --> 00:08:43,565 [Penny] His eye is all swollen, his nose is bleeding. 173 00:08:43,648 --> 00:08:46,443 He's looking real bad. And I'm like, "What happened?" 174 00:08:46,526 --> 00:08:49,738 And he tells me that at a bus station, he was jumped. 175 00:08:49,821 --> 00:08:54,159 Mind you, there's always been some type of bad energy on that corner, 176 00:08:54,242 --> 00:08:58,204 because that corner cuts off the neighborhood in which two gangs rival. 177 00:08:58,288 --> 00:09:01,541 [Palmer] Donnell's brother was a quiet kid, a bookworm. 178 00:09:01,624 --> 00:09:05,670 So, for me, it was, "Let me go outside so they can see who I am, 179 00:09:05,754 --> 00:09:08,256 and whose brother that was, and we can get to the bottom of this." 180 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:11,634 [Palmer] As Donnell and his brother walked back to the scene, 181 00:09:11,718 --> 00:09:13,136 they drew a crowd. 182 00:09:13,219 --> 00:09:15,972 When they got to the bus stop, they confronted a guy there 183 00:09:16,056 --> 00:09:18,266 who they thought was involved. 184 00:09:18,349 --> 00:09:21,311 They began to form, like, a circle 185 00:09:21,394 --> 00:09:22,687 and they asked me 186 00:09:22,771 --> 00:09:25,565 why did I do something to one of their friends 187 00:09:25,648 --> 00:09:27,567 on the bus earlier that day. 188 00:09:27,650 --> 00:09:29,235 And I just told them that, 189 00:09:29,319 --> 00:09:33,156 "No. I don't know what you're talking about. It's not me." 190 00:09:33,239 --> 00:09:35,492 And they kept saying that it was me. 191 00:09:35,575 --> 00:09:37,327 I became agitated. 192 00:09:37,410 --> 00:09:39,662 [Palmer] And then Brandon pulled out a razor, 193 00:09:39,746 --> 00:09:43,041 slashed Donnell's brother in the face and took off running. 194 00:09:43,124 --> 00:09:45,001 [Penny] So automatically I go red. 195 00:09:45,085 --> 00:09:47,420 [Palmer] They chased Brandon into a deli. 196 00:09:47,504 --> 00:09:48,755 [Brandon] We began to fight. 197 00:09:48,838 --> 00:09:50,840 [Penny] One of the gentlemen that was with us 198 00:09:50,924 --> 00:09:54,594 grabbed the knife from over the deli counter and stabbed him. 199 00:09:54,677 --> 00:09:58,681 It almost punctured my lungs. I received 160 staples. 200 00:09:59,432 --> 00:10:03,394 [Palmer] Both Donnell and Brandon were arrested and faced years in prison. 201 00:10:05,396 --> 00:10:07,065 My name's Danielle Sered. 202 00:10:07,148 --> 00:10:09,901 I'm the Executive Director of Common Justice. 203 00:10:09,984 --> 00:10:12,987 The district attorney and the court will come to an agreement 204 00:10:13,071 --> 00:10:16,574 that so long as somebody participates fully in Common Justice, 205 00:10:16,658 --> 00:10:18,701 they are willing at the end of that process 206 00:10:18,785 --> 00:10:21,371 to dismiss the felony charges against that person. 207 00:10:21,454 --> 00:10:26,417 At the core of our work is a restorative justice-based alternative to prison. 208 00:10:27,001 --> 00:10:28,920 The term "restorative justice" 209 00:10:29,003 --> 00:10:33,174 became popularized in the United States in the '70s, 210 00:10:33,258 --> 00:10:37,178 even though it draws from traditions that long predate that. 211 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,306 [Palmer] The core idea is a circle. 212 00:10:40,390 --> 00:10:43,268 [Sered] It includes the person responsible for the harm, 213 00:10:43,351 --> 00:10:44,978 the person who was hurt, 214 00:10:45,061 --> 00:10:47,605 their support people, their loved ones. 215 00:10:47,689 --> 00:10:50,024 [Penny] One of them was my mother and one was my aunt. 216 00:10:50,108 --> 00:10:53,695 [Brandon] I came into the circle with my mother and my girlfriend. 217 00:10:53,778 --> 00:10:55,488 [Palmer] And a facilitator. 218 00:10:55,572 --> 00:10:58,908 The process goes through many of these steps of an apology, 219 00:10:58,992 --> 00:11:01,119 but saying sorry isn't required. 220 00:11:01,202 --> 00:11:03,454 They start with the explanation. 221 00:11:03,580 --> 00:11:05,456 We had to connect the story together 222 00:11:05,540 --> 00:11:08,251 in order to understand why did we react the way we did. 223 00:11:08,334 --> 00:11:11,921 And there was parts of it that they didn't know about. 224 00:11:12,505 --> 00:11:15,758 At a point before me cutting Penny's brother, 225 00:11:16,259 --> 00:11:17,468 a gun was flashed. 226 00:11:18,178 --> 00:11:19,387 [Palmer] The gun. 227 00:11:20,221 --> 00:11:23,808 Donnell had no idea that someone in his group had taken out a gun. 228 00:11:23,892 --> 00:11:26,102 And I had this eureka moment, like, 229 00:11:26,186 --> 00:11:27,812 "Of course you would swing." 230 00:11:27,896 --> 00:11:29,439 My anger shifted, really. 231 00:11:29,522 --> 00:11:31,858 It shifted, one, to the guy who was in the back of me 232 00:11:31,941 --> 00:11:34,861 and to me, for having those type of damn people around me. 233 00:11:34,944 --> 00:11:37,488 I literally started spewing, and I was like, 234 00:11:37,572 --> 00:11:40,658 "I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry." And I kept saying it. 235 00:11:40,742 --> 00:11:43,661 I went outside trying to protect my brother, 236 00:11:43,745 --> 00:11:45,622 and I really hurt a brother. 237 00:11:45,705 --> 00:11:47,707 And I'm sorry I hurt my other brother. 238 00:11:48,291 --> 00:11:51,753 [Palmer] The apology that wasn't required was volunteered. 239 00:11:52,295 --> 00:11:56,049 I remember about Penny's apology just how genuine it was. 240 00:11:56,132 --> 00:11:58,092 It just felt organic. 241 00:11:58,176 --> 00:11:59,802 I apologized as well, 242 00:11:59,886 --> 00:12:03,306 and I just felt like we knew each other for years. 243 00:12:03,389 --> 00:12:05,225 In many ways, 244 00:12:05,308 --> 00:12:08,728 trauma distills down to powerlessness, 245 00:12:08,811 --> 00:12:12,023 which means that the opposite of trauma isn't help. 246 00:12:12,106 --> 00:12:14,567 The opposite of trauma is power. 247 00:12:14,651 --> 00:12:17,070 [Palmer] And that's how they approach repair. 248 00:12:17,153 --> 00:12:18,988 The circle brainstorms together 249 00:12:19,072 --> 00:12:21,991 a list of actions that would help make things right 250 00:12:22,075 --> 00:12:25,787 and form a binding agreement that's visible to the courts. 251 00:12:25,870 --> 00:12:28,957 I was told to write a letter to my son, 252 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:30,833 explaining what happened 253 00:12:30,917 --> 00:12:34,295 and a life lesson that I wanted to teach him from that situation. 254 00:12:34,879 --> 00:12:38,466 [Palmer] Donnell and Brandon also went back to the scene together. 255 00:12:38,549 --> 00:12:40,301 [Penny] We went back to that bus stop, 256 00:12:40,385 --> 00:12:43,388 very early in the morning, when nobody was out there. 257 00:12:43,471 --> 00:12:45,974 [Palmer] With flowers and a teddy bear. 258 00:12:46,057 --> 00:12:49,060 [Brandon] And also some balloons that we released into the air. 259 00:12:49,143 --> 00:12:50,520 [Palmer] Like a memorial. 260 00:12:50,603 --> 00:12:53,690 [Penny] When you see a memorial in your neighborhood, you're saying, 261 00:12:53,773 --> 00:12:57,902 "This person moved on to a better place, but this negative thing happened." 262 00:12:59,404 --> 00:13:02,532 [Palmer] Governments have embraced restorative justice models, too. 263 00:13:02,615 --> 00:13:05,785 South Africa's Truth and Reconciliation Commission, 264 00:13:05,868 --> 00:13:08,871 or TRC, is the most famous example. 265 00:13:09,455 --> 00:13:12,000 Chaired by Archbishop Desmond Tutu, 266 00:13:12,083 --> 00:13:14,627 it was an effort to heal after apartheid 267 00:13:14,711 --> 00:13:19,173 by gathering testimony from victims about the crimes that had taken place 268 00:13:19,257 --> 00:13:24,846 and granting amnesty to perpetrators, who came forward and told the whole truth. 269 00:13:25,638 --> 00:13:29,017 Approximately 40% of South Africans watched 270 00:13:29,100 --> 00:13:31,060 as the first victims testified, 271 00:13:31,644 --> 00:13:34,689 including a woman named Nomonde. 272 00:13:35,356 --> 00:13:38,234 I knew for a very long time 273 00:13:38,860 --> 00:13:43,740 that my husband has been killed by the State Security police. 274 00:13:43,823 --> 00:13:46,951 That I really wanted to say in public. 275 00:13:47,035 --> 00:13:51,039 [Palmer] In 1985, Nomonde's husband, Fort Calata, 276 00:13:51,122 --> 00:13:54,208 along with three other anti-apartheid activists, 277 00:13:54,792 --> 00:13:57,211 had been beaten, stabbed, 278 00:13:57,295 --> 00:13:59,964 and left in a burnt-out car. 279 00:14:00,048 --> 00:14:02,425 No one was ever held accountable. 280 00:14:03,426 --> 00:14:06,346 [wailing in despair] 281 00:14:07,180 --> 00:14:13,019 Archbishop Desmond Tutu called her cry "the defining sound of the TRC." 282 00:14:13,561 --> 00:14:15,813 [Nomonde] I just couldn't take it. 283 00:14:16,939 --> 00:14:18,232 I never had 284 00:14:19,025 --> 00:14:21,944 enough time with my husband 285 00:14:22,653 --> 00:14:24,447 in our marriage. 286 00:14:24,530 --> 00:14:27,200 It was too quick and too short. 287 00:14:27,283 --> 00:14:31,371 Every day, it feels as if it just happened yesterday. 288 00:14:31,454 --> 00:14:36,459 She represented each and every other woman 289 00:14:36,542 --> 00:14:40,046 who never had a cathartic moment. 290 00:14:40,129 --> 00:14:44,592 [Palmer] A few months later, the TRC contacted Nomonde. 291 00:14:44,675 --> 00:14:46,427 Someone had come forward. 292 00:14:46,511 --> 00:14:49,263 [Nomonde] With the name of Eric Taylor. 293 00:14:49,347 --> 00:14:52,642 He's fully taking responsibility 294 00:14:52,725 --> 00:14:54,894 of killing Fort Calata. 295 00:14:55,478 --> 00:14:59,607 [Palmer] Nomonde watched as Eric Taylor gave his testimony. 296 00:15:00,149 --> 00:15:04,904 [translator] I hit Mr. Calata from behind with this heavy iron object, 297 00:15:04,987 --> 00:15:08,074 and I set both these bodies alight. 298 00:15:10,368 --> 00:15:13,037 [Palmer] He'd been ordered  to commit the murders, 299 00:15:13,121 --> 00:15:15,415 but refused to say by whom. 300 00:15:15,998 --> 00:15:19,168 [Nomonde] He asked me, will I forgive him? 301 00:15:19,752 --> 00:15:23,047 I do have a place in my heart for forgiveness, 302 00:15:23,131 --> 00:15:26,759 but how can I forgive you, 303 00:15:26,843 --> 00:15:29,929 who is still lying? 304 00:15:30,513 --> 00:15:33,599 [Palmer] The TRC denied Eric Taylor's amnesty application, 305 00:15:33,683 --> 00:15:36,102 but he was never actually prosecuted. 306 00:15:36,686 --> 00:15:39,730 [Nomonde] Until the day when you come up and tell the truth 307 00:15:39,814 --> 00:15:41,649 in front of everyone, 308 00:15:41,732 --> 00:15:45,278 and you get your punishment for killing my husband, 309 00:15:45,361 --> 00:15:49,073 then I will rethink of forgiveness after that. 310 00:15:50,366 --> 00:15:53,744 I will not go so far as to say that 311 00:15:54,620 --> 00:15:58,916 every type of person requires forgiveness to be able to heal. 312 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,627 Some people might heal more from being vengeful, 313 00:16:01,711 --> 00:16:06,549 some people might heal more from just avoiding it and pushing it away, 314 00:16:06,632 --> 00:16:11,554 as far away from their memory and their daily life as they possibly can. 315 00:16:12,597 --> 00:16:14,807 [Dorothy] The essence of truth will be our healing. 316 00:16:14,891 --> 00:16:17,143 Whoever is running around, 317 00:16:17,727 --> 00:16:20,855 depriving us of that truth 318 00:16:22,190 --> 00:16:25,151 is perpetuating the trauma in our lives. 319 00:16:25,234 --> 00:16:27,987 [Sered] Part of what helps us come through trauma 320 00:16:28,070 --> 00:16:30,448 is the formation of a coherent narrative. 321 00:16:30,531 --> 00:16:33,034 Like a story about what happened 322 00:16:33,117 --> 00:16:36,412 that describes a world that we can live in. 323 00:16:36,496 --> 00:16:38,748 [Brandon] When we begin to talk about the story, 324 00:16:38,831 --> 00:16:40,124 I explained that to Don 325 00:16:40,208 --> 00:16:43,794 and then they explained to me from their perspective. 326 00:16:43,878 --> 00:16:45,838 That's when I knew it was genuine. 327 00:16:45,922 --> 00:16:48,925 It's not always a universal narrative. 328 00:16:49,008 --> 00:16:51,302 It sometimes still has gaps in it, 329 00:16:51,385 --> 00:16:53,471 it still has tensions in it, 330 00:16:53,554 --> 00:16:55,765 but it's true enough that it can bear your weight. 331 00:16:57,183 --> 00:16:58,309 [Palmer] As societies, 332 00:16:58,392 --> 00:17:01,312 the stories we tell ourselves about who's been wronged 333 00:17:01,395 --> 00:17:04,273 and what needs righting, they shift all the time. 334 00:17:05,191 --> 00:17:06,859 In just the last few years, 335 00:17:06,943 --> 00:17:10,863 the sexual harassment of women became widely recognized 336 00:17:10,947 --> 00:17:13,658 as a pervasive and serious problem. 337 00:17:13,741 --> 00:17:17,453 And the killing of George Floyd by police in the summer of 2020, 338 00:17:17,537 --> 00:17:20,873 and the worldwide protests and conversations it sparked, 339 00:17:20,957 --> 00:17:23,793 convinced millions more Americans 340 00:17:23,876 --> 00:17:27,380 that racial discrimination was a big problem in their country. 341 00:17:28,130 --> 00:17:30,758 People might call this the age of apology, 342 00:17:30,841 --> 00:17:34,679 but in 2020, there were roughly the same number of apologies 343 00:17:34,762 --> 00:17:38,015 reported in The New York Times as in 2010. 344 00:17:38,099 --> 00:17:42,019 The real change was what people were apologizing for, 345 00:17:42,103 --> 00:17:46,107 including things that not so long ago they didn't see as wrong. 346 00:17:46,190 --> 00:17:49,610 I didn't consider it a racist action at the time, 347 00:17:49,694 --> 00:17:50,861 but now we know better, 348 00:17:50,945 --> 00:17:53,489 and this was something that was unacceptable and, yes, racist. 349 00:17:53,573 --> 00:17:56,284 I look back today at some of the ways I've talked casually 350 00:17:56,367 --> 00:17:59,662 about people, and gender identity, and sexual orientation, 351 00:17:59,745 --> 00:18:01,289 and I wonder who that even was. 352 00:18:01,372 --> 00:18:05,167 I now see that we could and should have acted sooner 353 00:18:05,251 --> 00:18:08,045 and acted faster to cut the stops. 354 00:18:08,129 --> 00:18:10,381 I'm sorry that we didn't. 355 00:18:10,464 --> 00:18:13,467 The hope is overall that when you're dealing 356 00:18:13,551 --> 00:18:18,139 with a real deep-rooted, crisis-type situation 357 00:18:18,222 --> 00:18:21,225 where people were really hurt by something someone said or did, 358 00:18:21,309 --> 00:18:23,644 that there's a way to be able to find your way back 359 00:18:23,728 --> 00:18:27,607 where you can have your client or even yourself learn about things. 360 00:18:28,608 --> 00:18:31,485 [Palmer] Public apologies might be a performance, 361 00:18:31,569 --> 00:18:34,488 but they're also a measure of our values 362 00:18:34,572 --> 00:18:37,325 and can actually help those values spread. 363 00:18:37,867 --> 00:18:43,164 Seventeen years after Justin Timberlake and Janet Jackson apologized to America, 364 00:18:43,748 --> 00:18:47,209 Justin Timberlake apologized to Janet Jackson 365 00:18:47,293 --> 00:18:52,173 for benefiting from a system that condones misogyny and racism. 366 00:18:53,549 --> 00:18:55,885 Apologies can take time. 367 00:18:55,968 --> 00:18:59,221 There's a good chance you owe one that you aren't ready to give, 368 00:18:59,305 --> 00:19:02,808 because they're more than just boxes you can check. 369 00:19:02,892 --> 00:19:07,063 I would like to encourage people to consider it an action 370 00:19:07,146 --> 00:19:10,191 that allows you to take control of your fate in your own way. 371 00:19:10,274 --> 00:19:12,401 It's a pretty courageous thing to do. 372 00:19:12,485 --> 00:19:15,613 What made me feel apologetic was the connection 373 00:19:15,696 --> 00:19:17,823 and knowing he was a human being who loved, 374 00:19:17,907 --> 00:19:20,660 who dreamed, and wanted great things just like I did. 375 00:19:20,743 --> 00:19:22,995 Relate enough to be, like, I'm sorry. 376 00:19:23,079 --> 00:19:25,873 I'm sorry for what I've caused, for what I've done. 377 00:19:25,956 --> 00:19:28,709 I'm sorry for the ripple effects it has caused to your family. 378 00:19:28,793 --> 00:19:31,295 I accepted it immediately 'cause I wanted this. 379 00:19:31,379 --> 00:19:33,798 I, I was ready and willing. 380 00:19:33,881 --> 00:19:36,342 I look at that day as a gift and a curse, 381 00:19:36,425 --> 00:19:39,804 because I could have had that encounter with someone else, 382 00:19:39,887 --> 00:19:44,350 and it wouldn't have played out like this. And it helped me mature a whole lot. 383 00:19:44,433 --> 00:19:45,935 And that's my brother now. 384 00:19:46,018 --> 00:19:49,021 That situation brought two strangers together. 385 00:19:49,605 --> 00:19:50,856 It's freaking dope. 386 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,193 [closing theme music playing]