1 00:00:03,762 --> 00:00:06,489 - We call the defendant, Laura Broder. 2 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:19,467 - Please raise your right hand. 3 00:00:20,468 --> 00:00:23,264 Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, 4 00:00:23,402 --> 00:00:25,542 and nothing but the truth? 5 00:00:36,519 --> 00:00:38,003 - Ma'am? 6 00:00:38,762 --> 00:00:41,696 Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth 7 00:00:41,834 --> 00:00:43,802 and nothing but the truth? 8 00:00:49,463 --> 00:00:54,606 - Truth, for Plato, is absolute. 9 00:00:55,227 --> 00:00:57,298 It's objective. 10 00:00:58,506 --> 00:01:01,130 It transcends physical forms, 11 00:01:01,544 --> 00:01:04,098 indifferent to us mortals. 12 00:01:05,893 --> 00:01:09,724 Truth doesn't need us to believe it. 13 00:01:10,346 --> 00:01:11,692 It just is. 14 00:01:12,969 --> 00:01:14,074 Thanks, guys. 15 00:01:14,212 --> 00:01:16,248 We'll see you all next week. 16 00:01:18,216 --> 00:01:20,632 - Here's the updated syllabus with the new dates. 17 00:01:21,460 --> 00:01:24,325 You know, if you want, I can make the midterm revisions myself. 18 00:01:24,463 --> 00:01:26,396 - No. No, I got it. - Okay. 19 00:01:26,534 --> 00:01:28,571 I think it's amazing that you're teaching. 20 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:31,781 - Well, it is my job. 21 00:01:31,919 --> 00:01:33,679 - No, yeah, of course. 22 00:01:33,817 --> 00:01:35,336 I, I just... 23 00:01:36,441 --> 00:01:38,684 it's only been two months since your son passed. 24 00:01:38,822 --> 00:01:40,583 - Right. Well, he didn't pass exactly. 25 00:01:40,721 --> 00:01:43,482 He was gunned down. Along with eight other children. 26 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:47,107 I'm... 27 00:01:48,418 --> 00:01:49,868 I'm sorry. 28 00:01:55,943 --> 00:01:56,944 [knocking] 29 00:01:57,082 --> 00:01:58,497 - Hey, bud. 30 00:02:01,949 --> 00:02:03,364 How are you doing? 31 00:02:04,952 --> 00:02:06,436 - It's just weird. 32 00:02:08,093 --> 00:02:09,336 Seeing his name. 33 00:02:09,474 --> 00:02:11,441 I don't know if I'm supposed to like... 34 00:02:12,201 --> 00:02:14,168 delete it or what. 35 00:02:15,618 --> 00:02:17,378 - Yeah. I don't know. 36 00:02:19,173 --> 00:02:20,381 You don't have homework? 37 00:02:20,519 --> 00:02:22,383 What about your History essay? 38 00:02:23,350 --> 00:02:25,593 - No one's really gonna fail me right now. 39 00:02:25,731 --> 00:02:27,354 [scoffs] 40 00:02:28,148 --> 00:02:29,494 - Okay. 41 00:02:29,632 --> 00:02:31,979 Well, if you wanna brainstorm, I'm happy to. 42 00:02:32,117 --> 00:02:35,845 Or you can, you can... you can talk it out with your mom. 43 00:02:37,709 --> 00:02:38,917 [sighs] 44 00:02:39,055 --> 00:02:41,126 Look, I know she's been tough to reach lately, 45 00:02:41,264 --> 00:02:43,577 but she's here for ya, okay? 46 00:02:48,133 --> 00:02:49,445 She's picking me up. 47 00:02:49,583 --> 00:02:51,378 We're supposed to be at the studio at 5:30. 48 00:02:51,516 --> 00:02:53,207 We should be back by 7. 49 00:02:53,345 --> 00:02:54,691 - She's doing another interview? 50 00:02:54,829 --> 00:02:57,107 - Well, it's something she feels she need to do. 51 00:02:57,246 --> 00:02:59,351 She's just tryin' to... 52 00:02:59,489 --> 00:03:01,905 make sense out of all this, you know? 53 00:03:03,321 --> 00:03:04,529 Jonah? 54 00:03:04,667 --> 00:03:05,944 - Yeah. 55 00:03:06,082 --> 00:03:07,670 Fine. 56 00:03:19,129 --> 00:03:21,028 - Hi. - Sorry, I'm late. 57 00:03:21,166 --> 00:03:22,926 - We've got time. 58 00:03:23,548 --> 00:03:25,895 - I snapped at my TA for no reason 59 00:03:26,033 --> 00:03:28,898 then I insisted on buying him a coffee. - Hm. 60 00:03:29,519 --> 00:03:31,107 How was your class? 61 00:03:31,245 --> 00:03:32,660 - Uh, 62 00:03:32,798 --> 00:03:35,180 used to be they were all staring at their phones. 63 00:03:35,318 --> 00:03:37,976 Now they're staring at me like I've got three heads. 64 00:03:40,081 --> 00:03:41,773 How's Jonah? 65 00:03:43,119 --> 00:03:45,259 - Maybe you should ask him. 66 00:03:46,191 --> 00:03:47,813 - What does that mean? 67 00:03:48,469 --> 00:03:49,884 - Nothing, just... 68 00:03:50,022 --> 00:03:53,198 he's still got some assignments overdue 69 00:03:53,336 --> 00:03:54,751 and he might need your help. 70 00:03:54,889 --> 00:03:56,615 Maybe you could try to spend some time with him? 71 00:03:56,753 --> 00:03:58,203 - I have been meaning to. 72 00:03:58,341 --> 00:04:02,311 - I know. - I don't know why it feels so hard. 73 00:04:05,383 --> 00:04:07,143 Joining us now via satellite 74 00:04:07,281 --> 00:04:09,007 Professor Laura Broder, 75 00:04:09,145 --> 00:04:10,560 whose 12-year-old son, Liam, 76 00:04:10,698 --> 00:04:12,424 was one of the nine children killed 77 00:04:12,562 --> 00:04:15,255 when a fellow student opened fire at Park Ridge High School 78 00:04:15,393 --> 00:04:16,739 in Lake Forest, Illinois. 79 00:04:16,877 --> 00:04:18,465 She's calling on the State Senate 80 00:04:18,603 --> 00:04:21,053 to pass two pieces of gun safety legislation 81 00:04:21,191 --> 00:04:22,745 currently being debated. 82 00:04:22,883 --> 00:04:25,161 Professor, thank you for speaking with us today. 83 00:04:25,299 --> 00:04:27,128 - Thank you for having me. 84 00:04:27,267 --> 00:04:30,166 - Before we go any further, what can you tell me about your son? 85 00:04:30,822 --> 00:04:34,135 - Well. He was a very special kid. 86 00:04:34,619 --> 00:04:36,103 When he grew up, 87 00:04:36,241 --> 00:04:39,727 he wanted to split his time as a marine biologist 88 00:04:39,865 --> 00:04:42,282 and a professional ice-cream maker. 89 00:04:42,868 --> 00:04:45,423 - You were kind enough to share a photo. 90 00:04:46,009 --> 00:04:49,358 I understand he was quite the expert on turtles. 91 00:04:49,496 --> 00:04:51,221 - Yes, turtles were his favorite. 92 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:52,982 Even when he was little. 93 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,778 He would pull out fun facts 94 00:04:55,916 --> 00:04:58,781 mostly to bargain for more screen time. 95 00:04:59,644 --> 00:05:01,301 "What's five more minutes? 96 00:05:01,439 --> 00:05:03,751 Turtles live 150 years." 97 00:05:04,752 --> 00:05:08,308 - This is obviously an immensely difficult time. 98 00:05:08,446 --> 00:05:12,139 But yet you've chosen to speak publicly and lobby for action. 99 00:05:12,277 --> 00:05:13,451 - Yes, 100 00:05:13,589 --> 00:05:15,522 shootings like these 101 00:05:15,660 --> 00:05:17,593 aren't natural disasters. 102 00:05:17,731 --> 00:05:20,285 They're preventable. There are things we can do. 103 00:05:20,423 --> 00:05:24,013 And Senate Bill 83 would close the gun show loophole 104 00:05:24,151 --> 00:05:27,223 and reinstate the ban on assault rifles. 105 00:05:27,361 --> 00:05:28,673 Look, I... 106 00:05:28,811 --> 00:05:31,227 I can't bring back my son 107 00:05:32,090 --> 00:05:35,956 but I can do everything in my power to prevent another one. 108 00:05:36,094 --> 00:05:38,648 So that no other parents have to go through 109 00:05:38,786 --> 00:05:41,099 a nightmare like this. 110 00:05:41,237 --> 00:05:44,896 - And to those who deny it happened altogether? 111 00:05:46,035 --> 00:05:49,383 I assume you're aware of the hashtag "ParkRidgeExposed"? 112 00:05:50,039 --> 00:05:51,178 [scoffs] 113 00:05:51,316 --> 00:05:52,386 Professor? 114 00:05:52,524 --> 00:05:53,905 - Sorry, I... 115 00:05:54,388 --> 00:05:57,184 - This was posted by a Joanna Pierce. 116 00:05:57,322 --> 00:05:59,566 One of the most vocal deniers. 117 00:05:59,704 --> 00:06:03,673 - Yes, I have seen the so-called footage with my own two eyes 118 00:06:03,811 --> 00:06:06,435 and you can see... you can obviously see, 119 00:06:06,573 --> 00:06:10,231 when the kids start running out of the building, the tape doubles back. 120 00:06:10,370 --> 00:06:11,681 Twice. 121 00:06:11,819 --> 00:06:14,028 Like it's been doctored. 122 00:06:14,166 --> 00:06:16,824 And no one is talking about that! No one! 123 00:06:16,962 --> 00:06:20,241 And lemme tell you, these people who have hijacked our country, 124 00:06:20,380 --> 00:06:23,555 the globalists, uh, pedophiles, child traffickers, 125 00:06:23,693 --> 00:06:26,834 they have tentacles in every pocket of the government, media 126 00:06:26,972 --> 00:06:29,181 and don't think for a second 127 00:06:29,319 --> 00:06:32,184 they wouldn't have staged something like this, 'cause they would. 128 00:06:32,322 --> 00:06:34,255 So they can come into my home 129 00:06:34,394 --> 00:06:38,915 and confiscate my guns and violate my Second Amendment rights? 130 00:06:39,053 --> 00:06:40,538 Uh-uh. 131 00:06:40,676 --> 00:06:43,679 Because these kids didn't die. 132 00:06:44,645 --> 00:06:47,476 [chuckles] None of this is real! 133 00:06:47,924 --> 00:06:50,927 None of it! It's not real. 134 00:06:52,239 --> 00:06:55,829 - As of this morning, it has nearly a million views. 135 00:06:55,967 --> 00:06:58,901 Any response to her claim? 136 00:07:03,906 --> 00:07:05,770 - That was a total ambush. 137 00:07:05,908 --> 00:07:07,875 We were supposed to be talking about the legislation. 138 00:07:08,013 --> 00:07:10,464 - I know, but you handled it as well as you could have. 139 00:07:10,602 --> 00:07:12,604 - My God, it really is everywhere. 140 00:07:12,742 --> 00:07:14,641 - Lo, there's a reason we didn't look. 141 00:07:14,779 --> 00:07:18,299 - What the hell is she doing amplifying this crap on national television? 142 00:07:18,438 --> 00:07:20,440 I mean, it's completely irresponsible. 143 00:07:20,578 --> 00:07:21,993 - Listen to me. It's done. 144 00:07:22,131 --> 00:07:24,167 I'm proud of you. I'm really upset about it too 145 00:07:24,305 --> 00:07:26,549 but there's nothing we can do about it. 146 00:07:28,309 --> 00:07:30,001 - Look at this. 147 00:07:35,385 --> 00:07:37,422 - I understand the platforms aren't liable, 148 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,460 but there are still laws against defamation, right? 149 00:07:40,598 --> 00:07:43,117 [door creaking] - Mom. Food's here. 150 00:07:43,255 --> 00:07:45,326 - I'm sorry, could you repeat that? - It's gonna get cold. 151 00:07:45,465 --> 00:07:47,467 - Just start without me, okay? 152 00:07:49,123 --> 00:07:50,918 [sighs] - Yeah. 153 00:07:55,164 --> 00:07:57,062 - First she wants to rewrite the Second Amendment, 154 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:59,202 now she's gonna sue Mark Zuckerberg? 155 00:07:59,340 --> 00:08:00,859 - She was blindsided. 156 00:08:00,997 --> 00:08:03,206 You can understand that, can't you? 157 00:08:06,865 --> 00:08:08,695 - Well, thanks to Article 230, 158 00:08:08,833 --> 00:08:11,767 apparently none of the social media companies are responsible 159 00:08:11,905 --> 00:08:13,803 for any of the content on their sites. 160 00:08:13,941 --> 00:08:16,910 He did say that if they... use Liam's image, 161 00:08:17,048 --> 00:08:20,258 we can flag that as a copyright violation. 162 00:08:20,396 --> 00:08:22,018 - Well, that's something. 163 00:08:22,156 --> 00:08:24,745 - So it's our job to go through this crap? 164 00:08:24,883 --> 00:08:26,713 It's illegal to use his image 165 00:08:26,851 --> 00:08:29,370 but saying that he never existed, that's fair game? 166 00:08:29,509 --> 00:08:30,889 - This is what they do, Mom. 167 00:08:31,027 --> 00:08:33,202 These Covid truthers, vaccine truthers. 168 00:08:33,340 --> 00:08:36,308 - Can we not call them "truthers"? - Call them whatever you want. 169 00:08:36,446 --> 00:08:39,346 Maybe check Twitter before going on national TV. 170 00:08:39,484 --> 00:08:41,728 - Alright. Just take a breath. - What's that supposed to mean? 171 00:08:41,866 --> 00:08:43,453 - I mean it wasn't exactly a secret. 172 00:08:43,592 --> 00:08:46,595 - Wait, you knew about this? And you didn't think to tell us? 173 00:08:46,733 --> 00:08:48,148 - I knew you'd do this. - What? 174 00:08:48,286 --> 00:08:50,219 - "This?" What, what am I supposed to do? 175 00:08:50,357 --> 00:08:53,463 - Ignore it, Mom, like... like a normal person. 176 00:08:53,602 --> 00:08:55,189 This is how the internet works. 177 00:08:55,327 --> 00:08:56,708 - Yeah. I get that, Jonah. 178 00:08:56,846 --> 00:08:58,848 Okay. I'm not naive. 179 00:08:59,366 --> 00:09:01,886 But this is your brother. 180 00:09:02,645 --> 00:09:04,164 This is his memory. 181 00:09:04,302 --> 00:09:06,615 This is what comes up when you search Liam's name. 182 00:09:06,753 --> 00:09:09,134 - Yeah, well somehow I don't think he cares. 183 00:09:19,041 --> 00:09:20,836 - I'll talk to him. 184 00:09:20,974 --> 00:09:22,769 - No. I'll, I'll, I'll do it. 185 00:09:22,907 --> 00:09:24,909 I just... I need a minute. 186 00:09:28,050 --> 00:09:30,811 It's like they're killing him all over again. 187 00:09:37,853 --> 00:09:39,440 [door slamming shut] 188 00:09:39,579 --> 00:09:41,857 [Jonah pants] 189 00:09:45,999 --> 00:09:47,621 - Jonah! 190 00:09:48,553 --> 00:09:50,072 We need to be in there. 191 00:09:50,210 --> 00:09:52,350 We need to be strong for her. 192 00:09:52,488 --> 00:09:55,042 - No, this... this is so messed up. 193 00:09:55,180 --> 00:09:57,113 I... this is my fault. 194 00:09:57,251 --> 00:09:58,874 - Shh... shh... Okay. It's alright. 195 00:09:59,012 --> 00:10:00,358 - I'm gonna be sick. - It's okay. 196 00:10:00,496 --> 00:10:02,291 Look... look at me. 197 00:10:02,981 --> 00:10:05,812 We all made mistakes. Okay? 198 00:10:06,744 --> 00:10:08,642 All of us. 199 00:10:12,853 --> 00:10:14,683 [door closing] 200 00:10:27,316 --> 00:10:29,767 [theme music] 201 00:10:43,090 --> 00:10:45,541 - I'm having a hard time... 202 00:10:46,300 --> 00:10:49,752 ...with all the uh, noise, I guess. 203 00:10:50,580 --> 00:10:52,341 - How do you mean? 204 00:10:52,479 --> 00:10:55,068 - All these lunatics online 205 00:10:55,206 --> 00:10:56,828 claiming the whole thing was staged. 206 00:10:56,966 --> 00:10:58,588 That no one really died. 207 00:10:58,727 --> 00:11:00,970 - That's disgusting. - Unbelievable. 208 00:11:01,108 --> 00:11:04,353 - It's hard enough accepting... 209 00:11:04,974 --> 00:11:07,011 ...that Liam's gone. 210 00:11:07,149 --> 00:11:09,047 But knowing that there are people out there 211 00:11:09,185 --> 00:11:11,912 insisting that he wasn't real? 212 00:11:15,571 --> 00:11:17,193 I've been... 213 00:11:18,470 --> 00:11:20,783 ...wondering what we might do. 214 00:11:21,301 --> 00:11:22,336 - Do? 215 00:11:23,786 --> 00:11:26,789 - We've been considering publishing Liam's death certificate online. 216 00:11:26,927 --> 00:11:30,862 - Well, we've been... we've been talking about it. - Well... 217 00:11:31,932 --> 00:11:33,520 Eric thinks I'm crazy. 218 00:11:33,658 --> 00:11:36,247 - I don't think you're crazy. I just... 219 00:11:37,248 --> 00:11:39,250 I don't see the point of it. 220 00:11:40,354 --> 00:11:44,186 - What if we were to make a statement together? 221 00:11:44,324 --> 00:11:46,222 Just something. 222 00:11:48,673 --> 00:11:50,330 It's not going away. 223 00:11:50,468 --> 00:11:52,470 If anything, it's getting worse. 224 00:11:52,608 --> 00:11:55,956 And people are asking why we're not saying anything. 225 00:11:56,094 --> 00:11:58,131 You know, like as if we have something to hide. 226 00:11:58,269 --> 00:12:01,272 - People are monsters. They're sick. 227 00:12:01,410 --> 00:12:02,583 - Some of them. 228 00:12:02,722 --> 00:12:05,103 But some of them must be reachable. 229 00:12:05,241 --> 00:12:08,762 I mean, I tell my students skepticism is healthy. Right? 230 00:12:08,900 --> 00:12:10,730 If people have questions about what happened, 231 00:12:10,868 --> 00:12:12,766 I want to try to answer them. 232 00:12:12,904 --> 00:12:14,457 With facts. 233 00:12:15,527 --> 00:12:17,115 With proof. 234 00:12:19,980 --> 00:12:22,742 Shouldn't we at least try? 235 00:12:25,917 --> 00:12:27,608 - I gotta admit... 236 00:12:28,333 --> 00:12:32,406 ...I've been a junkie for that conspiracy stuff for as long as I can remember. 237 00:12:32,544 --> 00:12:36,410 Info Wars, Pizzagate, you name it. 238 00:12:37,239 --> 00:12:41,174 I always figured, if there's smoke there's fire, right? 239 00:12:41,312 --> 00:12:45,005 All fun and games till it's your kid that's dead and buried. 240 00:12:46,179 --> 00:12:48,112 - Maybe Laura's right then. 241 00:12:48,250 --> 00:12:50,839 - You can't engage with trolls. 242 00:12:50,977 --> 00:12:52,564 They're cowards. 243 00:12:52,702 --> 00:12:54,152 Hiding behind a screen. 244 00:12:54,290 --> 00:12:56,914 - So what if we do it in person? 245 00:12:58,087 --> 00:13:00,262 I want them to look me in the eye 246 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:03,610 and tell me that my son wasn't real. 247 00:13:03,748 --> 00:13:06,786 [soft music] 248 00:13:08,580 --> 00:13:12,343 [indistinct chatter] 249 00:13:17,589 --> 00:13:20,109 Has Gillian texted you? [beeping] 250 00:13:20,247 --> 00:13:22,077 - They're not coming. 251 00:13:22,215 --> 00:13:24,562 Damnit. - It's already ten after. 252 00:13:24,700 --> 00:13:26,150 - Okay. Okay. 253 00:13:26,288 --> 00:13:28,186 - You sure? - Yeah. 254 00:13:28,669 --> 00:13:30,879 Hi, hi. 255 00:13:31,017 --> 00:13:32,915 Thank you all for coming. 256 00:13:33,053 --> 00:13:36,781 I know some of you have... have travelled quite a distance to be here. 257 00:13:37,195 --> 00:13:40,474 My name is Laura Broder. This is my husband Eric. 258 00:13:41,441 --> 00:13:45,410 Our son Liam... was one of the victims. 259 00:13:45,548 --> 00:13:48,241 This is Molly and Ben Greenfield. 260 00:13:48,379 --> 00:13:50,899 Their daughter Allison was also murdered. 261 00:13:51,900 --> 00:13:56,283 I know that there have been a lot of theories and misinformation online. 262 00:13:56,421 --> 00:14:00,667 I have brought evidence of Liam's entire life. 263 00:14:00,805 --> 00:14:05,154 I have a hard copy of his death certificate if you want to see it. 264 00:14:06,569 --> 00:14:08,261 [sighs] 265 00:14:08,399 --> 00:14:10,366 Sorry, um... 266 00:14:11,505 --> 00:14:13,335 You know what? 267 00:14:13,473 --> 00:14:17,270 Any questions you have, we'll... we'll just do our best to answer. 268 00:14:18,996 --> 00:14:20,687 - Why were there no helicopters? 269 00:14:20,825 --> 00:14:23,621 Nine kids bleeding out and no trauma helicopters called? 270 00:14:23,759 --> 00:14:26,175 - So the nearest hospital, Lehigh Valley, 271 00:14:26,313 --> 00:14:27,763 they don't have helicopters. 272 00:14:27,901 --> 00:14:30,317 The ambulances were on their way within minutes. 273 00:14:30,455 --> 00:14:32,561 Helicopters were called when three of the victims 274 00:14:32,699 --> 00:14:34,666 needed to be transferred to Chestnut Hill. 275 00:14:35,253 --> 00:14:37,221 - Why aren't you suing the first responders? 276 00:14:37,359 --> 00:14:39,464 I read it took them over an hour. 277 00:14:39,602 --> 00:14:42,295 - That's, that's not true. They were here a lot faster than that. 278 00:14:42,433 --> 00:14:44,366 And in, you know, in Liam's case, for example, 279 00:14:44,504 --> 00:14:46,402 there's nothing that could have been done so. 280 00:14:46,540 --> 00:14:49,578 - I'll be honest, I have three of my own and... 281 00:14:49,716 --> 00:14:52,581 it feels like a new one of these happen every week. 282 00:14:53,616 --> 00:14:55,446 And how can that be? 283 00:14:55,584 --> 00:14:57,620 How... 284 00:14:58,449 --> 00:15:00,692 Are there really this many sickos 285 00:15:00,830 --> 00:15:04,248 who wanna pump bullets into a bunch of kids, I just... 286 00:15:04,386 --> 00:15:07,734 I, I, I can't imagine it. 287 00:15:07,872 --> 00:15:10,254 - Yeah. It's unimaginable. 288 00:15:10,392 --> 00:15:13,326 - Uh, what about your maiden name? 289 00:15:13,464 --> 00:15:14,879 - Sorry? 290 00:15:15,017 --> 00:15:16,536 - Hi, Joanna Lynn Pierce. 291 00:15:16,674 --> 00:15:19,090 Executive reporter for The Daily Inquest. 292 00:15:19,228 --> 00:15:22,714 Your maiden name. Birkheimer, right? 293 00:15:22,852 --> 00:15:25,131 [clears throat] - That's right. 294 00:15:25,269 --> 00:15:27,478 - You expect us to believe that 295 00:15:27,616 --> 00:15:32,966 it's just a coincidence that there's a Swedish lobbyist named Laura Birkheimer 296 00:15:33,104 --> 00:15:36,866 who tried to outlaw firearms in three European countries? 297 00:15:37,005 --> 00:15:38,454 [crowd whispers] 298 00:15:38,592 --> 00:15:41,078 - Uh, well, I was born in Scranton. 299 00:15:41,216 --> 00:15:42,942 So, I can show you my passport. 300 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,220 - Oh well, passports can be faked. 301 00:15:45,358 --> 00:15:47,222 Let's see the room where it happened. 302 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:50,777 - I actually tried to get access but the local police wouldn't allow it. 303 00:15:50,915 --> 00:15:52,365 - Oh, and why is that, I wonder. 304 00:15:52,503 --> 00:15:55,402 I hear they're planning to tear the whole thing down. 305 00:15:55,540 --> 00:15:58,647 What are they afraid we'll find? 306 00:15:59,579 --> 00:16:02,168 - It's the site of a mass murder. 307 00:16:02,306 --> 00:16:04,618 Where... where my son was killed and eight... 308 00:16:04,756 --> 00:16:07,104 - Except he wasn't really your son, was he? 309 00:16:07,242 --> 00:16:08,760 - Excuse me? - Excuse me? 310 00:16:08,898 --> 00:16:11,073 - Do you have his adoption papers in that box? 311 00:16:11,211 --> 00:16:12,972 - I'm sorry. Excuse me. 312 00:16:13,110 --> 00:16:15,629 What the hell does his adoption have to do with him being murdered? 313 00:16:15,767 --> 00:16:17,804 - I'm just asking questions here. You never wanted your own? 314 00:16:17,942 --> 00:16:20,117 - They are my own. 315 00:16:21,152 --> 00:16:23,258 I have cervical stenosis. 316 00:16:23,396 --> 00:16:25,432 I had three miscarriages, 317 00:16:25,570 --> 00:16:27,469 the last one put me in a hospital. 318 00:16:27,607 --> 00:16:29,505 Would you like to see my medical records? 319 00:16:29,643 --> 00:16:31,404 - I would like to see the coroner's report. 320 00:16:31,542 --> 00:16:33,268 Why was that never released? 321 00:16:33,406 --> 00:16:35,132 - Oh, for God's sake, why the hell do you think? 322 00:16:35,270 --> 00:16:36,685 - Okay, Ben, maybe we should go. 323 00:16:36,823 --> 00:16:38,307 - If you want us to believe these kids are dead, 324 00:16:38,445 --> 00:16:39,895 let's see... let's just see some proof. 325 00:16:40,033 --> 00:16:41,621 - You know what? - Have some respect! 326 00:16:41,759 --> 00:16:43,588 - We're done here. - They're already in the ground. 327 00:16:43,726 --> 00:16:45,556 - Oh, well, isn't that convenient? - This is pointless. 328 00:16:45,694 --> 00:16:47,006 - How do you people sleep at night? - Let's go. Let's go. 329 00:16:47,144 --> 00:16:49,077 - Oh yeah, go, go. Run. Run. 330 00:16:49,215 --> 00:16:52,494 Take your dirty money, get back on that plane to Switzerland. How 'bout that? 331 00:16:53,184 --> 00:16:56,291 - I'm sorry, don't you mean Sweden? 332 00:16:56,429 --> 00:16:57,637 - Laura. 333 00:16:57,775 --> 00:17:00,157 - Because Swedish lobbyists come from Sweden. 334 00:17:00,295 --> 00:17:01,744 - Oh, thank you, professor. 335 00:17:01,882 --> 00:17:05,093 Some of us didn't have the luxury of a fancy education. 336 00:17:05,231 --> 00:17:07,233 But we're not suckers. 337 00:17:07,371 --> 00:17:08,786 We have eyes. 338 00:17:08,924 --> 00:17:10,650 We can see. 339 00:17:10,788 --> 00:17:13,032 You hear me? 340 00:17:14,205 --> 00:17:16,276 Did you get that? 341 00:17:18,796 --> 00:17:21,488 - No, I, I understand there are protocols, 342 00:17:21,626 --> 00:17:23,628 but these people are insane. 343 00:17:23,766 --> 00:17:26,528 I mean, they're coming after me any way they can. 344 00:17:26,666 --> 00:17:28,771 My inbox is a mountain of hate mail 345 00:17:28,909 --> 00:17:32,051 and... and Eric has had to take down his Yelp page altogether. 346 00:17:32,189 --> 00:17:34,570 This is clearly more of the same. 347 00:17:34,708 --> 00:17:36,503 [phone beeping] 348 00:17:38,126 --> 00:17:41,888 Simon, uh, it's my husband. I need to call you back. 349 00:17:42,026 --> 00:17:43,717 [line ringing] Hey. 350 00:17:43,855 --> 00:17:45,650 You're not gonna believe this. - Laura? Listen. 351 00:17:45,788 --> 00:17:47,997 - Someone filed an anonymous sexual harassment complaint. 352 00:17:48,136 --> 00:17:51,415 And the dean says he needs to open a Title 9 investigation 353 00:17:51,553 --> 00:17:53,486 - Laura, you need to come home. - What? 354 00:17:53,624 --> 00:17:55,591 - They published our address on 4chan. 355 00:17:55,729 --> 00:17:57,835 Along with our cell numbers, and your social security. 356 00:17:57,973 --> 00:18:01,183 - Wait... [scoffs] Wait, hold on. 357 00:18:01,321 --> 00:18:02,978 - I already got Jonah out of school. 358 00:18:03,116 --> 00:18:05,567 You just get home as soon as you can, okay? 359 00:18:05,705 --> 00:18:06,913 And be safe. 360 00:18:07,051 --> 00:18:08,880 [man on the phone]: You better stay alert. 361 00:18:09,018 --> 00:18:10,951 'Cause we're gonna find you wherever you go. 362 00:18:11,090 --> 00:18:13,954 We're gonna get you. You and your fake kid. 363 00:18:14,093 --> 00:18:15,956 - And this happened one time? 364 00:18:16,095 --> 00:18:17,855 - 5:37. 365 00:18:17,993 --> 00:18:20,409 - The number was blocked but maybe there's a way to trace it? 366 00:18:20,547 --> 00:18:22,515 - It's obviously Joanna Lynn Pierce. 367 00:18:22,653 --> 00:18:24,310 - Who? - Oh, she's this lunatic conspiracist. 368 00:18:24,448 --> 00:18:26,312 - One of these crazy Park Ridge hoaxers. 369 00:18:26,450 --> 00:18:28,072 - We... we pissed her off 370 00:18:28,210 --> 00:18:30,592 and now we're being targeted by her army of trolls. 371 00:18:30,730 --> 00:18:31,903 Here. 372 00:18:32,041 --> 00:18:33,284 "Die bitch. 373 00:18:33,422 --> 00:18:35,838 Hope you boil in feces." 374 00:18:36,356 --> 00:18:37,771 She's all over YouTube. 375 00:18:37,909 --> 00:18:41,637 She's been screaming about us for weeks. 376 00:18:44,433 --> 00:18:46,401 - We'll look into it. 377 00:18:46,539 --> 00:18:48,127 And we'll take your phone as well. 378 00:18:48,265 --> 00:18:50,577 See if anything on it we can trace. 379 00:18:51,785 --> 00:18:54,098 In the meantime, do you have anywhere to stay? 380 00:18:54,236 --> 00:18:56,825 Any family in the area? 381 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:13,359 - It's just a few nights, okay? 382 00:19:14,774 --> 00:19:16,431 [Laura sighs] Okay, bud? 383 00:19:26,095 --> 00:19:28,270 - I'm sorry, okay? 384 00:19:31,722 --> 00:19:33,931 What do I need to say it? 385 00:19:34,069 --> 00:19:35,622 Obviously you were right. 386 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:38,798 - Well, we need to just focus on what's next, right? 387 00:19:42,008 --> 00:19:44,217 Maybe we go to Baltimore 388 00:19:44,355 --> 00:19:46,115 and stay with my parents. 389 00:19:46,254 --> 00:19:49,257 I can call uh, Furman Templeton, 390 00:19:49,395 --> 00:19:53,295 it's a great public school, we could see if they'd take Jonah as a midyear transfer. 391 00:19:53,433 --> 00:19:55,297 - Wait, you mean like go for good? 392 00:19:55,435 --> 00:19:56,850 Just like that? 393 00:19:56,988 --> 00:19:59,370 - I want us to be safe, Lo. - No, of course, but... 394 00:19:59,508 --> 00:20:02,304 - And honestly maybe Jonah could use a... a fresh start. 395 00:20:02,442 --> 00:20:03,788 - What about his friends? 396 00:20:03,926 --> 00:20:05,618 His life? 397 00:20:06,550 --> 00:20:09,277 Not to mention, you can work from anywhere. 398 00:20:09,415 --> 00:20:10,899 I can't. I'm on a tenure track. 399 00:20:11,037 --> 00:20:13,281 - I'm not pretending any of this is easy, okay? 400 00:20:13,419 --> 00:20:15,524 Maybe you could take a sabbatical. 401 00:20:15,662 --> 00:20:17,871 Maybe you could use it. 402 00:20:18,009 --> 00:20:19,528 [scoffs] 403 00:20:20,322 --> 00:20:23,118 - I'm getting pretty sick of people telling me how to grieve. 404 00:20:23,256 --> 00:20:24,809 I don't need that from you. 405 00:20:24,947 --> 00:20:26,673 - Okay. 406 00:20:29,469 --> 00:20:30,850 - Hey. 407 00:20:30,988 --> 00:20:32,196 - Hey. 408 00:20:32,334 --> 00:20:33,508 - I brought coffee. 409 00:20:33,646 --> 00:20:35,751 - Oh, you didn't have to do that. 410 00:20:36,511 --> 00:20:39,341 We've got new numbers, new cellphones. 411 00:20:39,479 --> 00:20:42,275 We got a new PO Box. Different names. 412 00:20:42,413 --> 00:20:44,553 - I'm so sorry. 413 00:20:45,140 --> 00:20:47,211 - You said you wanted to talk? 414 00:20:47,832 --> 00:20:50,041 [sighs] - Right. Um... 415 00:20:51,008 --> 00:20:52,699 It's about the group. 416 00:20:54,425 --> 00:20:56,945 Some of the other parents, they'd, um... 417 00:20:57,670 --> 00:21:00,120 they'd rather you and Eric stop coming. 418 00:21:00,259 --> 00:21:01,846 [scoffs] 419 00:21:01,984 --> 00:21:04,228 I think it's despicable, honestly. 420 00:21:04,366 --> 00:21:06,610 I, I think they're just afraid, is all. 421 00:21:06,748 --> 00:21:09,095 They're... they're scared of becoming targets. 422 00:21:09,233 --> 00:21:10,752 - Yeah. Right. 423 00:21:10,890 --> 00:21:12,340 We're, uh... 424 00:21:12,478 --> 00:21:14,273 we're radioactive. 425 00:21:14,411 --> 00:21:16,275 - You know, we probably won't keep going. 426 00:21:16,413 --> 00:21:18,622 Ben hates all the New Age-y talk. 427 00:21:19,070 --> 00:21:20,969 And the coffee tastes like dirt. 428 00:21:21,107 --> 00:21:22,867 I'm sorry. 429 00:21:24,904 --> 00:21:28,770 - You know we were only gonna adopt one originally 430 00:21:28,908 --> 00:21:31,082 and then we found out that Liam had an older brother 431 00:21:31,220 --> 00:21:35,086 who was two years older and he also needed a home. 432 00:21:35,742 --> 00:21:37,917 And that felt better. 433 00:21:39,021 --> 00:21:42,439 Knowing that they'd always have each other. 434 00:22:13,884 --> 00:22:16,196 [engine roaring] 435 00:22:16,335 --> 00:22:17,612 [tires screeching] 436 00:22:17,750 --> 00:22:19,614 Hey! [Jonah grunts] 437 00:22:23,342 --> 00:22:25,620 [tires screeching] 438 00:22:28,450 --> 00:22:30,901 [panting] 439 00:22:36,182 --> 00:22:38,046 - What the hell happened? 440 00:22:39,427 --> 00:22:41,256 Hey, Jonah! Talk to me. 441 00:22:41,394 --> 00:22:43,810 What happened? - Why'd she have to go on TV in the first place? 442 00:22:43,948 --> 00:22:46,295 You knew it was a mistake! 443 00:22:47,020 --> 00:22:49,160 And... and you let her do it anyway. 444 00:22:49,298 --> 00:22:51,508 And now they're never gonna stop. Ever. 445 00:22:51,646 --> 00:22:53,268 - You're safe. - No. 446 00:22:53,406 --> 00:22:54,787 - Do you hear me? - No. 447 00:22:54,925 --> 00:22:57,065 - Look at me. You're safe. We'll keep you safe. 448 00:22:57,203 --> 00:22:58,963 - How? 449 00:23:01,966 --> 00:23:03,830 [crying] 450 00:23:10,734 --> 00:23:13,599 - We've sent the vehicle description out to every precinct in the county. 451 00:23:13,737 --> 00:23:15,497 It's harder without plates but... 452 00:23:15,635 --> 00:23:17,223 - What about Joanna Pierce? 453 00:23:17,361 --> 00:23:19,294 - There's no evidence to suggest she was directly involved. 454 00:23:19,432 --> 00:23:22,435 - If it wasn't her at the wheel, it was someone doing her bidding. 455 00:23:22,573 --> 00:23:24,161 She has thousands of followers 456 00:23:24,299 --> 00:23:25,990 and her rhetoric is only escalating. 457 00:23:26,128 --> 00:23:28,199 - Has she made any specific threats of violence? 458 00:23:28,337 --> 00:23:29,649 - She's calling us Satanists 459 00:23:29,787 --> 00:23:31,893 and pedophiles who deserve to be lynched. 460 00:23:32,031 --> 00:23:34,551 - What about stationing someone outside our place? 461 00:23:34,689 --> 00:23:36,484 In case they doxx us again? 462 00:23:36,622 --> 00:23:38,209 - We just don't have the manpower. 463 00:23:38,347 --> 00:23:40,419 I'm sorry. [scoffs] 464 00:23:40,557 --> 00:23:42,662 Do you have any kind of home defense? 465 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,216 - What do you mean? - I mean do you have a gun? 466 00:23:45,354 --> 00:23:48,634 Because if I were you-- - That's not happening. 467 00:23:49,393 --> 00:23:51,533 Thank you, officer. 468 00:23:53,397 --> 00:23:55,641 - Come on. Let's go. 469 00:23:55,779 --> 00:23:58,022 Uh, Jonah, just hang here for a second, would ya? 470 00:23:58,160 --> 00:23:59,955 Laura, hey. 471 00:24:03,027 --> 00:24:05,340 We have to get out of town. - Eric. 472 00:24:05,478 --> 00:24:06,859 - I mean it. 473 00:24:06,997 --> 00:24:09,344 - Okay, how is that going to make any difference? 474 00:24:09,482 --> 00:24:12,036 What is to stop them from finding us wherever we go? 475 00:24:12,174 --> 00:24:15,143 I'm not gonna start living like a fugitive. 476 00:24:15,281 --> 00:24:16,800 That means they win. 477 00:24:16,938 --> 00:24:18,767 - They've already won! 478 00:24:18,905 --> 00:24:21,045 My God, Laura, look at us. 479 00:24:21,183 --> 00:24:22,702 - This is our home. 480 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:24,911 This is our community. 481 00:24:25,049 --> 00:24:27,742 - Yeah, and our community hates us, in case you haven't noticed. 482 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:29,951 They think it's our fault 483 00:24:30,089 --> 00:24:32,540 that these yahoos are showing up in droves, 484 00:24:32,678 --> 00:24:34,611 demanding information at City Hall. 485 00:24:34,749 --> 00:24:36,716 - We were just trying to give them answers. 486 00:24:36,854 --> 00:24:38,580 - I'm not saying it's fair. 487 00:24:38,718 --> 00:24:40,686 But this is the reality. 488 00:24:41,618 --> 00:24:44,517 And honestly did you really think we'd stay here forever? 489 00:24:45,173 --> 00:24:47,624 After everything that's happened? 490 00:24:51,869 --> 00:24:54,493 - It's where we've built our lives. 491 00:24:55,286 --> 00:24:57,496 It's where Liam's buried. 492 00:24:59,221 --> 00:25:02,949 What are we supposed to do? Just leave him? 493 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,434 - I'm sorry, honey. 494 00:25:06,297 --> 00:25:10,232 But we have to be smart. We're not safe here. 495 00:25:11,648 --> 00:25:13,304 [inhales shakily] - Okay. 496 00:25:13,442 --> 00:25:14,616 [sniffling] 497 00:25:14,754 --> 00:25:16,169 Okay. 498 00:25:16,307 --> 00:25:17,723 I'll take a leave. 499 00:25:17,861 --> 00:25:19,794 And you, uh, 500 00:25:19,932 --> 00:25:23,142 you call Furman Templeton and see if they have a spot for Jonah and... 501 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,317 and we'll just put the house on the market this week. 502 00:25:26,455 --> 00:25:28,803 I don't... it's gonna take us a while to pack everything. 503 00:25:28,941 --> 00:25:31,046 - We'll figure it out. 504 00:25:36,189 --> 00:25:37,708 - Okay. 505 00:25:38,433 --> 00:25:40,021 Okay. 506 00:25:41,747 --> 00:25:43,887 Jonah. 507 00:26:06,323 --> 00:26:08,290 [beeping] 508 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,230 [dramatic music] 509 00:26:27,033 --> 00:26:28,725 [door creaking] - Oh. 510 00:26:28,863 --> 00:26:30,589 [Jonah]: Hey. - Hey. 511 00:26:30,727 --> 00:26:33,039 I didn't know you were home. 512 00:26:33,177 --> 00:26:34,903 Just puttin' stuff away. What's up? 513 00:26:35,041 --> 00:26:37,837 - Sorry, I, I was looking for Mom. 514 00:26:38,493 --> 00:26:40,840 - Your mom, uh... I think she was taking the trash out. 515 00:26:40,978 --> 00:26:44,223 - Yeah, we were, uh... we were gonna go get pancakes at Millie's. 516 00:26:44,361 --> 00:26:45,569 - Oh, yeah? 517 00:26:45,707 --> 00:26:48,365 That's a great idea. - Hey. 518 00:26:50,091 --> 00:26:51,920 Hey, you ready to go? 519 00:26:52,058 --> 00:26:54,060 - Yeah. You wanna come? 520 00:26:54,198 --> 00:26:56,753 - Oh, I was thinking maybe just us? 521 00:26:56,891 --> 00:26:58,271 Is that okay? 522 00:26:58,409 --> 00:27:00,826 - Yeah, I ate. You guys go have fun. 523 00:27:08,557 --> 00:27:10,629 [door banging shut] 524 00:27:18,602 --> 00:27:21,812 - Are they gonna arrest her? 525 00:27:21,950 --> 00:27:23,642 Joanna Pierce. 526 00:27:23,780 --> 00:27:25,816 - I don't know. 527 00:27:28,370 --> 00:27:30,062 It's complicated. 528 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,651 - It doesn't really seem fair. 529 00:27:34,100 --> 00:27:37,863 I mean, why are we the ones who have to leave? 530 00:27:38,001 --> 00:27:41,867 We're not the ones telling lies. - I know. 531 00:27:49,081 --> 00:27:52,636 Look, I... I know that I haven't been... 532 00:27:52,774 --> 00:27:55,259 me since he died. 533 00:27:58,090 --> 00:28:02,681 Sometimes I'll look at you and I... I'm just I'm so scared. 534 00:28:02,819 --> 00:28:05,822 I'm scared I'm gonna lose you too. 535 00:28:08,790 --> 00:28:11,310 But... I, I'm trying. I really am. 536 00:28:14,451 --> 00:28:17,281 - I know, Mom. 537 00:28:18,282 --> 00:28:22,010 [horn tooting] 538 00:28:34,402 --> 00:28:36,715 [crowd chanting] 539 00:28:38,993 --> 00:28:41,271 - What the hell. - What's going on? 540 00:28:41,409 --> 00:28:42,962 - No more lies! 541 00:28:43,100 --> 00:28:44,688 No more lies! 542 00:28:44,826 --> 00:28:46,172 No more lies! - Wait, that's her. 543 00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:48,899 - Mom. What are you doing? 544 00:28:49,037 --> 00:28:52,144 [crowd chanting]: No more lies! No more lies! 545 00:28:52,282 --> 00:28:54,249 - Stay in the car. - Mom. 546 00:28:54,387 --> 00:28:55,803 - No more lies! 547 00:28:55,941 --> 00:28:57,390 [Joanna]: We want you to be honest. - Mom! 548 00:28:57,528 --> 00:28:59,013 - You can't tear down this building. 549 00:28:59,151 --> 00:29:00,428 [Laura]: Stay in the car. 550 00:29:00,566 --> 00:29:02,879 - That's destruction of evidence. 551 00:29:03,017 --> 00:29:05,813 [crowd]: No more lies. - No more lies. 552 00:29:05,951 --> 00:29:10,610 - No more lies! No more lies! No more lies! 553 00:29:10,749 --> 00:29:12,992 [Joanna]: No more lies. 554 00:29:14,269 --> 00:29:16,444 - Liam wasn't enough for you? - Don't you come at me. 555 00:29:16,582 --> 00:29:18,101 - You had to come after Jonah too? 556 00:29:18,239 --> 00:29:19,688 - She's assaulting me! 557 00:29:19,827 --> 00:29:21,725 - You're sick, you know that? - No, you are sick. 558 00:29:21,863 --> 00:29:23,520 You think you're untouchable, but you know what? 559 00:29:23,658 --> 00:29:25,625 I don't care what they pay you. We will find you. 560 00:29:25,764 --> 00:29:27,593 - You say you care about children? 561 00:29:27,731 --> 00:29:29,457 Stay away from my family, you hear me, or I'll have you arrested. 562 00:29:29,595 --> 00:29:32,632 - You can't hide from the truth. - No more lies! 563 00:29:32,771 --> 00:29:34,531 - No more lies! 564 00:29:34,669 --> 00:29:35,808 No more lies! 565 00:29:35,946 --> 00:29:37,292 - Press charges against that bitch. 566 00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:40,709 - No more lies! No more lies!... 567 00:29:40,848 --> 00:29:44,230 [crowd continues chanting] 568 00:29:52,721 --> 00:29:54,585 - Laura Broder? 569 00:29:54,723 --> 00:29:56,518 [metal door opening] 570 00:29:57,692 --> 00:29:59,487 Come with me. 571 00:30:04,733 --> 00:30:06,632 And I have to give you this. 572 00:30:06,770 --> 00:30:09,980 Ms. Pierce has filed a temporary order of protection. 573 00:30:10,118 --> 00:30:13,846 You must stay at least 500 feet away from her person and place of residence. 574 00:30:13,984 --> 00:30:15,365 You understand? 575 00:30:15,503 --> 00:30:18,264 - Yeah. - You're free to go. 576 00:30:23,925 --> 00:30:25,478 - C'mon. 577 00:30:26,617 --> 00:30:29,034 - Is it fair to say that Ms. Pierce was afraid of you? 578 00:30:29,172 --> 00:30:32,106 After you physically assaulted her? 579 00:30:32,831 --> 00:30:35,523 - I can't know what was going through her mind. 580 00:30:35,661 --> 00:30:39,768 - But you understood the terms of the restraining order, yes? 581 00:30:39,907 --> 00:30:42,495 They were fully explained to you? 582 00:30:45,429 --> 00:30:48,881 Ms. Broder? - Yes, I understood. 583 00:30:49,019 --> 00:30:52,436 - And yet three weeks later, you showed up at her property. 584 00:30:52,574 --> 00:30:55,060 - And I take full responsibility for that. It was stupid. 585 00:30:55,198 --> 00:30:59,927 It was reckless. But I... I never my intended to harm Ms. Pierce. 586 00:31:00,065 --> 00:31:02,688 - You can see why that's hard to believe. 587 00:31:02,826 --> 00:31:05,173 Given you brought a gun? 588 00:31:11,593 --> 00:31:13,872 - What is this? 589 00:31:14,838 --> 00:31:20,085 The State of Illinois says your application for a firearms license is approved? 590 00:31:23,571 --> 00:31:25,504 Is this for real? 591 00:31:28,714 --> 00:31:31,130 - - It's locked up, okay? It's safe. 592 00:31:31,268 --> 00:31:33,477 - You've already bought it? 593 00:31:33,615 --> 00:31:35,721 - Listen to me, the cop... - How could you do that? 594 00:31:35,859 --> 00:31:37,896 - Okay, look, just calm down. - Without even consulting me? 595 00:31:38,034 --> 00:31:40,829 - It's locked up okay? Listen to me. - You went behind my back. 596 00:31:40,968 --> 00:31:43,487 After everything I've been doing to stop the proliferation of guns. 597 00:31:43,625 --> 00:31:46,076 - We've been threatened, Laura. Okay? 598 00:31:46,214 --> 00:31:48,527 And our principles aren't gonna keep us safe 599 00:31:48,665 --> 00:31:50,356 when one of them shows up at our doorstep. 600 00:31:50,494 --> 00:31:52,255 - Safe? Are you kidding me? 601 00:31:52,393 --> 00:31:54,291 This is what killed our son. 602 00:31:54,429 --> 00:31:56,949 And you think hiding a loaded weapon in our home 603 00:31:57,087 --> 00:31:59,020 without... without even telling me. 604 00:31:59,158 --> 00:32:01,505 - This isn't our home! We had to leave our home because you wouldn't listen. 605 00:32:01,643 --> 00:32:04,646 I told you, talking to those freaks was a mistake. 606 00:32:04,784 --> 00:32:07,960 I told you that we should get out of town the minute they found our address. 607 00:32:08,098 --> 00:32:09,824 - Yes and we're leaving. - Yeah. 608 00:32:09,962 --> 00:32:12,171 After Jonah got assaulted, which should never have happened! 609 00:32:12,309 --> 00:32:13,793 - Oh, that's my fault too? 610 00:32:13,932 --> 00:32:15,726 - Now, just when I think you're listening to reason, 611 00:32:15,864 --> 00:32:17,280 you go and attack this woman 612 00:32:17,418 --> 00:32:19,627 and put a... a bigger target on us, and for what? 613 00:32:19,765 --> 00:32:21,180 This endless crusade! 614 00:32:21,318 --> 00:32:24,459 - How about for Liam? - This is not about Liam. 615 00:32:24,597 --> 00:32:25,909 It's not. 616 00:32:26,047 --> 00:32:28,394 It's about you needing an enemy. 617 00:32:30,293 --> 00:32:32,571 - I've made mistakes, Eric, 618 00:32:32,709 --> 00:32:35,367 but I would never go behind your back. 619 00:32:35,505 --> 00:32:39,923 You wanna pack up the car and leave tonight? Fine. 620 00:32:40,061 --> 00:32:42,029 But we are getting rid of that gun. 621 00:32:42,167 --> 00:32:43,996 Do you hear me? 622 00:32:44,997 --> 00:32:47,068 Tell me where it is. 623 00:32:51,970 --> 00:32:53,419 - I locked it. 624 00:32:53,557 --> 00:32:54,869 I know I did. 625 00:32:55,007 --> 00:32:56,422 Jonah? 626 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,321 Jonah? 627 00:33:00,944 --> 00:33:02,566 He's gone. His window's open. 628 00:33:02,704 --> 00:33:05,052 Why would he take that? 629 00:33:06,363 --> 00:33:08,952 - Her address. - What are you doing? 630 00:33:09,090 --> 00:33:11,472 - The restraining order. It was here. 631 00:33:12,921 --> 00:33:16,649 [phone buzzing] 632 00:33:24,485 --> 00:33:26,211 [line ringing] - Hello? 633 00:33:26,349 --> 00:33:29,110 - Jonah? Oh, my God. Where are you? 634 00:33:29,248 --> 00:33:31,043 - Uh. - Listen to me. 635 00:33:31,181 --> 00:33:33,321 Whatever you're doing, you need to stop. 636 00:33:33,459 --> 00:33:35,565 - That's okay. It's fine. 637 00:33:35,703 --> 00:33:38,085 I'll... I'll eat when I get home. 638 00:33:38,223 --> 00:33:41,019 - What? Jonah, talk to me. 639 00:33:41,157 --> 00:33:42,848 Talk to me. 640 00:33:42,986 --> 00:33:44,367 What are you doing? 641 00:33:44,505 --> 00:33:47,094 - I love you. - Jonah! 642 00:33:47,232 --> 00:33:51,408 - I brought the gun for protection but I never intended to use it. 643 00:33:51,546 --> 00:33:54,480 I just wanted to talk to her. 644 00:33:54,618 --> 00:33:57,656 I, I wanted all of this to stop. 645 00:34:02,937 --> 00:34:06,113 [music coming from inside the house] 646 00:34:21,300 --> 00:34:24,476 [Joanna singing] 647 00:34:24,614 --> 00:34:28,445 [dog whimpering] - Oh, will you stop your whining. 648 00:34:29,515 --> 00:34:32,070 [singing continues] 649 00:34:46,187 --> 00:34:49,708 [dog whimpering and yelping] 650 00:34:49,846 --> 00:34:52,090 - Shh. Shh. 651 00:34:52,814 --> 00:34:54,678 [music stops] 652 00:34:54,816 --> 00:34:56,715 Here baby. 653 00:34:56,853 --> 00:34:58,096 Here you go. 654 00:34:58,234 --> 00:35:01,133 [dog barking] 655 00:35:18,978 --> 00:35:21,843 [yelping and barking] 656 00:35:30,231 --> 00:35:33,165 [dog continues barking] 657 00:35:34,235 --> 00:35:37,790 Ah! Oh! Oh, my God. 658 00:35:37,928 --> 00:35:42,657 Oh, my God, you're... you're the Broder kid. 659 00:35:44,418 --> 00:35:46,903 What are you doing here, honey? 660 00:35:47,455 --> 00:35:49,561 What's going on? 661 00:35:50,941 --> 00:35:52,667 Are they hurting you? 662 00:35:53,427 --> 00:35:56,637 You can tell me. You can tell me the truth. 663 00:35:58,052 --> 00:36:00,158 I can help you. 664 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,922 [dog barking] 665 00:36:08,027 --> 00:36:10,340 [gunshot] 666 00:36:13,447 --> 00:36:15,345 - One last question, Professor. 667 00:36:15,483 --> 00:36:19,660 You placed a call to your son, Jonah, at 6:49 pm. 668 00:36:19,798 --> 00:36:23,146 Less than an hour before you showed up at the victim's home. 669 00:36:23,284 --> 00:36:26,356 What did you two discuss? 670 00:36:30,257 --> 00:36:31,465 - I don't think he answered. 671 00:36:31,603 --> 00:36:33,639 - He did actually. 672 00:36:36,435 --> 00:36:38,817 The phone call lasted 38 seconds. 673 00:36:38,955 --> 00:36:41,406 - Objection, Your Honor. Relevance? 674 00:36:41,544 --> 00:36:44,754 - Goes to the defendant's state of mind. 675 00:36:46,997 --> 00:36:48,792 [Laura]: Jonah? 676 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,416 Jonah? 677 00:36:51,554 --> 00:36:53,625 [Eric]: Jonah? 678 00:36:56,248 --> 00:36:57,870 - Jonah... 679 00:36:58,906 --> 00:37:00,804 ...give me the gun. 680 00:37:04,705 --> 00:37:06,293 - Hey. 681 00:37:06,879 --> 00:37:08,053 You okay? 682 00:37:08,191 --> 00:37:09,537 What happened? 683 00:37:09,675 --> 00:37:12,540 - You need to get him out of here. 684 00:37:14,162 --> 00:37:15,992 - What are you doing? 685 00:37:17,338 --> 00:37:20,341 What are you doing? [dialing] 686 00:37:22,170 --> 00:37:24,103 - 911, what's your emergency? 687 00:37:24,242 --> 00:37:27,486 - I need an ambulance. I just shot someone. 688 00:37:29,799 --> 00:37:32,042 - You did great. You stayed calm. 689 00:37:32,180 --> 00:37:33,872 You were vulnerable. 690 00:37:34,390 --> 00:37:36,115 - So what now? 691 00:37:36,254 --> 00:37:38,877 - Well, there's one wrinkle. 692 00:37:39,015 --> 00:37:44,020 The ADA's filed a motion to subpoena Jonah as a rebuttal witness. 693 00:37:44,158 --> 00:37:45,573 - What? 694 00:37:45,711 --> 00:37:46,954 Why? 695 00:37:47,092 --> 00:37:49,612 - They claim it's about the mystery phone call, 696 00:37:49,750 --> 00:37:51,752 but frankly I think they're desperate. 697 00:37:51,890 --> 00:37:54,237 Grilling a traumatized 14-year-old? 698 00:37:54,375 --> 00:37:55,549 Not a good look. 699 00:37:55,687 --> 00:37:57,171 - Jonah can't take the stand. 700 00:37:57,309 --> 00:37:59,311 I mean he can't testify. I told you that. 701 00:37:59,449 --> 00:38:01,002 I'm not gonna put him through that. 702 00:38:01,140 --> 00:38:03,315 Can't you block the motion? - I tried. 703 00:38:03,453 --> 00:38:04,696 The judge shot me down. 704 00:38:04,834 --> 00:38:06,939 Listen, I think it's a good sign. 705 00:38:07,077 --> 00:38:09,114 It means they know they're losing. 706 00:38:09,252 --> 00:38:10,840 Otherwise why risk it? 707 00:38:11,599 --> 00:38:14,464 - Is Murder 3 still on the table? 708 00:38:15,465 --> 00:38:16,880 - This is going well. 709 00:38:17,018 --> 00:38:18,951 There's no sign of forced entry. 710 00:38:19,089 --> 00:38:20,505 Joanna was armed. 711 00:38:20,643 --> 00:38:23,680 They can't prove you weren't acting in self-defense. 712 00:38:24,612 --> 00:38:26,545 - Can you give us a minute? 713 00:38:26,683 --> 00:38:28,789 Meredith, please? 714 00:38:30,066 --> 00:38:32,344 [door opening, closing] 715 00:38:32,482 --> 00:38:35,554 Jonah can't take the stand. - What choice do we have? 716 00:38:35,692 --> 00:38:37,384 - I can take the plea. 717 00:38:37,522 --> 00:38:39,247 - You heard what she just said, right? 718 00:38:39,386 --> 00:38:41,284 There's a good chance that we could walk away from this. 719 00:38:41,422 --> 00:38:44,667 - No, not if he goes up there. What if he says something? 720 00:38:44,805 --> 00:38:46,600 - Lo, if you plead guilty, 721 00:38:46,738 --> 00:38:48,705 that's a minimum sentence of 15 years. 722 00:38:48,843 --> 00:38:51,225 How's Jonah supposed to live with that? 723 00:38:51,950 --> 00:38:53,917 The lie is eating away at him already. 724 00:38:54,055 --> 00:38:55,436 - It's not a lie. 725 00:38:57,127 --> 00:38:59,992 It might have been his finger on the trigger, but I'm the reason he was there. 726 00:39:00,130 --> 00:39:01,546 You know that. 727 00:39:01,684 --> 00:39:03,755 You know that as well as I do. 728 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,068 [sighs] 729 00:39:11,901 --> 00:39:13,212 [Eric sniffles] 730 00:39:13,351 --> 00:39:15,353 You were right. 731 00:39:16,492 --> 00:39:19,564 I needed an enemy. I needed a fight. 732 00:39:20,806 --> 00:39:23,844 Because without that, there was just this... 733 00:39:25,224 --> 00:39:27,744 ...giant gaping hole. 734 00:39:30,022 --> 00:39:32,749 I brought us here. I did that. 735 00:39:34,130 --> 00:39:38,065 And I am not going to let him pay for that. 736 00:39:42,690 --> 00:39:44,968 We can't lose him too. 737 00:39:47,695 --> 00:39:49,904 [crying softly] - Oh, God. 738 00:39:50,042 --> 00:39:51,665 - Look at me. 739 00:39:51,803 --> 00:39:54,115 Look at me. Look at me. 740 00:39:54,253 --> 00:39:55,979 Look at me. 741 00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,155 Let me do this. 742 00:40:00,087 --> 00:40:01,916 It's what I want. 743 00:40:04,194 --> 00:40:05,886 You take Jonah 744 00:40:06,024 --> 00:40:09,579 somewhere that you both can heal. 745 00:40:09,717 --> 00:40:11,788 - I can't. - Yeah, you can. 746 00:40:11,926 --> 00:40:15,447 You'll be alright and he'll get through it, he will. 747 00:40:15,585 --> 00:40:17,794 And I'll be okay. 748 00:40:19,037 --> 00:40:20,556 Really. 749 00:40:21,833 --> 00:40:24,214 Good behavior, parole... 750 00:40:24,352 --> 00:40:26,493 it's not so long. 751 00:40:28,909 --> 00:40:31,877 Turtles live 150 years. 752 00:40:48,618 --> 00:40:51,138 - Will the defendant please rise? 753 00:40:53,485 --> 00:40:55,522 Mrs. Broder, 754 00:40:55,660 --> 00:40:58,525 you understand by entering this guilty plea 755 00:40:58,663 --> 00:41:01,320 you waive your right to any future appeal? 756 00:41:01,459 --> 00:41:03,426 - I understand, Your Honor. 757 00:41:03,564 --> 00:41:07,741 - Before the court accepts your plea, is there anything you'd like to say? 758 00:41:12,090 --> 00:41:16,715 - When my son Liam was five years old, 759 00:41:16,853 --> 00:41:21,444 he asked me once, we were brushing his teeth and he asked, 760 00:41:21,582 --> 00:41:24,654 "How do we know we're not puppets? 761 00:41:24,792 --> 00:41:27,692 With someone else controlling the strings? 762 00:41:28,934 --> 00:41:31,903 How do we know we are real?" 763 00:41:34,733 --> 00:41:37,736 If I could do it again... [voice breaks] 764 00:41:39,186 --> 00:41:41,602 ....I would say to him, 765 00:41:42,741 --> 00:41:46,711 "Maybe we don't know. Maybe we never can." 766 00:41:48,091 --> 00:41:51,888 But I think maybe we're real 767 00:41:52,648 --> 00:41:56,514 not because of what we know, but because of who we love. 768 00:42:00,828 --> 00:42:02,934 [trembling breath] 769 00:42:04,452 --> 00:42:10,251 To Ms. Pierce's family and loved ones, I am so deeply sorry. 770 00:42:13,323 --> 00:42:15,533 And to my own family, 771 00:42:15,671 --> 00:42:18,639 please know how much I love you. 772 00:42:21,331 --> 00:42:23,264 And it's okay. 773 00:42:32,066 --> 00:42:34,206 [sobbing] Thank you. 774 00:42:34,862 --> 00:42:36,761 - Mrs. Broder, 775 00:42:36,899 --> 00:42:40,834 the court formally accepts your plea of guilty 776 00:42:40,972 --> 00:42:42,594 to murder in the third degree. 777 00:42:42,732 --> 00:42:46,391 The defendant will be remanded to custody pending sentencing. 778 00:42:46,529 --> 00:42:48,945 We are now adjourned. 779 00:42:56,125 --> 00:42:57,954 - It's okay. 780 00:43:15,731 --> 00:43:19,010 [crying]