1 00:00:06,506 --> 00:00:07,916 [indistinct chatter] 2 00:00:20,311 --> 00:00:21,351 [cameraman] Rolling. 3 00:00:26,109 --> 00:00:27,569 -[David] Helen? -[Helen] Yes? 4 00:00:27,652 --> 00:00:28,952 -[David] Hi. -[woman] Hi. Wow! 5 00:00:29,029 --> 00:00:30,609 [David] This is nuts, isn't it? 6 00:00:31,322 --> 00:00:32,532 [beeping] 7 00:00:32,615 --> 00:00:33,735 Well, what is it? 8 00:00:34,701 --> 00:00:38,081 All right. So, we're gonna set. Let's get ready for Dave's entrance. 9 00:00:38,163 --> 00:00:39,873 One more sip for the anxiety. 10 00:00:41,458 --> 00:00:42,748 [beeping] 11 00:00:44,169 --> 00:00:46,129 [director] So, Dave, she's coming out now. 12 00:00:47,047 --> 00:00:49,587 -[Lizzo] We can't touch each other. -I don't know. 13 00:00:50,592 --> 00:00:51,722 Holy shit. 14 00:00:51,801 --> 00:00:53,681 -[director] You all right? -[Lizzo] Yeah. 15 00:01:01,102 --> 00:01:03,062 Damn, I am fine. 16 00:01:03,146 --> 00:01:04,146 [chuckling] 17 00:01:04,230 --> 00:01:05,770 [theme music playing] 18 00:01:24,501 --> 00:01:28,801 Making her network television debut with us tonight, we couldn't be happier. 19 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,970 Her album is entitled, what else? Lizzobangers. 20 00:01:32,050 --> 00:01:33,340 [audience laughing] 21 00:01:33,426 --> 00:01:36,256 Please, welcome Lizzo, ladies and gentlemen. 22 00:01:36,346 --> 00:01:38,426 [audience cheering, clapping] 23 00:01:40,350 --> 00:01:42,310 That was my first televised performance. 24 00:01:42,393 --> 00:01:43,653 -Really? -[Lizzo] Yeah. 25 00:01:43,728 --> 00:01:46,438 Ever. And I was so excited. And I thought, 26 00:01:46,523 --> 00:01:48,823 "They're gonna kick us off when someone cool…" 27 00:01:48,900 --> 00:01:51,740 Like, I remember my manager at the time was like, 28 00:01:51,820 --> 00:01:55,780 "Well, you know, Neil Young could call, and then it's just over for you." 29 00:01:55,865 --> 00:01:58,785 Or something like that. And I was like, "Wait, what?" Like… 30 00:01:58,868 --> 00:02:01,288 So, I was always like, "This isn't gonna happen." 31 00:02:01,371 --> 00:02:02,791 Then it finally happened. 32 00:02:02,872 --> 00:02:06,082 I can't count the number of times, at the last minute, 33 00:02:06,167 --> 00:02:08,497 I would get call from Neil Young. 34 00:02:08,586 --> 00:02:11,206 -[laughs] -[David] We'd have to bump somebody. 35 00:02:11,923 --> 00:02:13,803 -He just was a pig. -[Lizzo] Yeah. 36 00:02:13,883 --> 00:02:16,053 All he wanted to do was be on TV. 37 00:02:16,136 --> 00:02:17,636 [laughing] 38 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,470 There was-- You were wearing a shirt, a T-shirt. 39 00:02:20,557 --> 00:02:23,017 -Yes, I wanted to bring the shirt out. -Where is it? 40 00:02:23,101 --> 00:02:24,941 It's in my closet. I saved it. 41 00:02:25,019 --> 00:02:27,189 I wore a shirt that said, "I feel you, André." 42 00:02:27,272 --> 00:02:29,612 -[David] What was that a reference to? -André 3000. 43 00:02:29,691 --> 00:02:33,151 I was like, "I'm gonna be on TV. You know, maybe he gonna see this." 44 00:02:33,236 --> 00:02:34,276 He did see it. 45 00:02:34,362 --> 00:02:37,572 And the fact that you and André 3000 knew I existed, 46 00:02:37,657 --> 00:02:39,987 I was like, "I made it. I'm a star. It's over." 47 00:02:40,076 --> 00:02:43,246 Yeah. Well, my favorite part of the show was the music. 48 00:02:43,329 --> 00:02:45,209 And I've said this for years. 49 00:02:45,290 --> 00:02:48,840 There's nothing more exciting than live performances right there. 50 00:02:48,918 --> 00:02:50,748 And I was sitting really close. 51 00:02:51,421 --> 00:02:53,761 When did you last work in front of an audience? 52 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:54,880 [gasps] 53 00:02:54,966 --> 00:02:55,966 -Yeah. -Long time. 54 00:02:56,050 --> 00:02:56,970 Yeah, me too. 55 00:02:57,468 --> 00:03:01,138 And you get that instant response. But here, we don't have an audience. 56 00:03:01,222 --> 00:03:03,892 -Yeah. [chuckles] -We're in the middle of a pandemic. 57 00:03:03,975 --> 00:03:04,805 [Lizzo] Mm-hm. 58 00:03:04,893 --> 00:03:07,853 I just would like to reassure you about a couple of things. 59 00:03:07,937 --> 00:03:08,977 I've been tested. 60 00:03:09,063 --> 00:03:11,733 -You've been tested. -Same. Multiple times. 61 00:03:11,816 --> 00:03:14,566 -I'm tested every half hour. -How's your nose hole feeling? 62 00:03:14,652 --> 00:03:16,322 This is not my nose anymore. 63 00:03:16,404 --> 00:03:17,614 [laughing] 64 00:03:17,697 --> 00:03:20,067 But, Moe, our cameraman, 65 00:03:20,158 --> 00:03:23,748 anytime something important or funny is referenced, 66 00:03:24,370 --> 00:03:27,080 Moe will put down the camera and applaud. 67 00:03:27,916 --> 00:03:30,126 -Oh, well, thank you, Moe. [chuckles] -Yeah. 68 00:03:30,210 --> 00:03:33,550 So, we're gonna try that now. Um… 69 00:03:33,630 --> 00:03:35,220 What's important and funny? 70 00:03:35,298 --> 00:03:37,928 No, I'm gonna try for something important here. 71 00:03:38,009 --> 00:03:38,839 [chuckles] Okay. 72 00:03:39,761 --> 00:03:43,221 I-- I certainly will be glad when the pandemic is over. 73 00:03:44,015 --> 00:03:47,135 [clapping] 74 00:03:47,227 --> 00:03:49,017 [Lizzo] Yeah. Wow. 75 00:03:49,103 --> 00:03:52,363 I said I will be glad when the pandemic is over. 76 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:54,030 -Yeah, all right! -[Lizzo] Yeah. 77 00:03:54,108 --> 00:03:55,028 [chuckling] 78 00:03:56,486 --> 00:03:57,396 Thank you, Moe. 79 00:03:57,487 --> 00:03:58,817 I'm not really trained for this. 80 00:03:58,905 --> 00:04:00,815 [Lizzo] There's a reason he's the camera operator. 81 00:04:00,907 --> 00:04:02,617 [David] None of us are trained. 82 00:04:03,952 --> 00:04:05,622 I saw you recently. 83 00:04:05,703 --> 00:04:08,293 Uh, I think it was a repeat of a performance. 84 00:04:08,373 --> 00:04:09,713 -Oh, yeah. -Wow. 85 00:04:09,791 --> 00:04:11,081 -Yeah? You liked it? -Yeah. 86 00:04:11,167 --> 00:04:12,127 Oh, man. 87 00:04:12,210 --> 00:04:14,960 I think that was before the Grammys, maybe? 88 00:04:15,046 --> 00:04:17,546 Congratulations. How many do you own now? 89 00:04:17,632 --> 00:04:22,142 Three. Yes, three beautiful, blushing baby Grammys. 90 00:04:22,220 --> 00:04:23,550 It's crazy, isn't it? 91 00:04:23,638 --> 00:04:26,058 I always look and be like, "Damn, they right there." 92 00:04:26,140 --> 00:04:28,100 And then, this is the other thing, 93 00:04:28,184 --> 00:04:32,484 Time Magazine 2019 Entertainer of the Year. 94 00:04:32,563 --> 00:04:33,483 -[Lizzo] Yeah. -Come on! 95 00:04:33,564 --> 00:04:34,404 [chuckles] 96 00:04:34,482 --> 00:04:37,862 -[David] Really? Whoa. -Isn't that crazy? It's weird. 97 00:04:37,944 --> 00:04:40,324 But even to this day, I'm-- They like, you know, 98 00:04:40,405 --> 00:04:43,655 "Letterman wanna talk to you." I said, "What's his angle? Why me?" 99 00:04:43,741 --> 00:04:47,081 "What does he want?" Like, you know, like, you have-- 100 00:04:47,161 --> 00:04:49,161 You can choose anyone to talk to. 101 00:05:00,174 --> 00:05:02,474 -[David] These pictures are great. -[Lizzo] Which ones? 102 00:05:02,552 --> 00:05:06,012 [David] Well, Lizzo, the platinum, gold record pictures. 103 00:05:06,097 --> 00:05:07,347 They're beautiful. 104 00:05:07,432 --> 00:05:11,732 Thank you. I'm really proud of them, and it makes it all very real. 105 00:05:12,645 --> 00:05:13,555 [David] Look at that. 106 00:05:13,646 --> 00:05:14,766 -Right here? -[David] Yeah. 107 00:05:14,856 --> 00:05:19,146 Yeah, I was so excited. I'm just always just happy to be present. 108 00:05:19,235 --> 00:05:20,235 [chuckles] 109 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,240 I think that when things aren't guaranteed, 110 00:05:23,323 --> 00:05:25,873 when you don't know what's gonna happen the next day, 111 00:05:25,950 --> 00:05:28,870 and you're genuinely afraid, and you're trying to survive, 112 00:05:28,953 --> 00:05:31,253 when you get to a place where you're thriving, 113 00:05:31,331 --> 00:05:33,961 I think I'm just genuinely grateful every single day. 114 00:05:34,042 --> 00:05:35,172 When you get there, 115 00:05:35,251 --> 00:05:38,381 are you worried somebody will tap you on the shoulder, and say, 116 00:05:38,463 --> 00:05:42,093 "Okay, that's plenty. Thank you. You can go back to Detroit now?" 117 00:05:42,175 --> 00:05:47,095 I definitely, um, felt that when I did Letterman. 118 00:05:47,180 --> 00:05:48,510 -[chuckles] -[David] Yeah! 119 00:05:48,598 --> 00:05:51,728 I was like, "Yeah, this isn't real, right?" 120 00:05:51,809 --> 00:05:54,809 You're gonna take this away from me. And then, here we are. 121 00:05:54,896 --> 00:05:57,066 They took it away from me, those bastards. 122 00:05:57,148 --> 00:05:59,028 -[Lizzo] Aww. -[both laughing] 123 00:05:59,108 --> 00:06:00,818 I'm so sorry. 124 00:06:04,655 --> 00:06:06,695 Melissa Viviane Jefferson. 125 00:06:06,783 --> 00:06:07,703 [chuckles] 126 00:06:07,784 --> 00:06:09,414 -Melissa Viviane Jefferson. -Yes! 127 00:06:09,494 --> 00:06:11,544 -That's a name, buddy. -You like it? 128 00:06:11,621 --> 00:06:13,121 Well, yeah, yeah. 129 00:06:13,206 --> 00:06:15,246 It always seemed so, like, ordinary. 130 00:06:15,333 --> 00:06:17,383 Melissa Viviane Jefferson? 131 00:06:17,460 --> 00:06:19,500 -That is not ordinary. -[Lizzo] MVJ. 132 00:06:19,587 --> 00:06:21,667 My dad dreamed about my name before I was born. 133 00:06:21,756 --> 00:06:23,256 Is that right? That's sweet. 134 00:06:24,592 --> 00:06:27,722 -The family started in Detroit, right? -[Lizzo] Yeah. 135 00:06:27,804 --> 00:06:31,024 [David] Was your mother musical? Was your father himself musical? 136 00:06:31,099 --> 00:06:32,679 [Lizzo] My mom is very musical. 137 00:06:32,767 --> 00:06:35,647 She played piano in church. She sang in church. 138 00:06:35,728 --> 00:06:38,608 My dad was musical too, but he loved rock music. 139 00:06:38,689 --> 00:06:42,239 He would always be playing, like, Elton John or, like, Billy Joel. 140 00:06:42,318 --> 00:06:44,528 Um, Queen. 141 00:06:44,612 --> 00:06:47,782 So, I had a very eclectic musical upbringing. 142 00:06:47,865 --> 00:06:49,905 Like gospel, and rock, and… 143 00:06:50,618 --> 00:06:53,868 Um, so, yeah, very musical family. He wanted a family band. 144 00:06:53,955 --> 00:06:55,955 We almost could have had a family band. 145 00:06:56,457 --> 00:07:00,247 We still can. [chuckles] Could put my brother on the drums. 146 00:07:00,336 --> 00:07:02,956 Then, they moved to Houston. Why the move to Houston? 147 00:07:03,756 --> 00:07:06,876 For… a better life. [chuckles] 148 00:07:06,968 --> 00:07:09,428 -To get out of Detroit. I see. -[Lizzo] To get out of Detroit. 149 00:07:09,512 --> 00:07:11,682 I love Detroit. My family still lives there. 150 00:07:11,764 --> 00:07:15,444 But you gotta leave when you say you're gonna leave. 151 00:07:15,518 --> 00:07:18,478 It's gotta be, "I'm moving." And the next day you're moving. 152 00:07:18,563 --> 00:07:22,363 Because Detroit is one of those places that can keep you for a long time. 153 00:07:22,442 --> 00:07:25,192 So, I remember they were like, "We're moving to Texas." 154 00:07:25,278 --> 00:07:28,818 And I was like, "I don't wanna be around cowboys and horses." 155 00:07:28,906 --> 00:07:33,116 The next day, we were just there. And I saw horses and people on them. 156 00:07:40,710 --> 00:07:43,550 Did people like you? Were you bullied? Were you-- 157 00:07:43,629 --> 00:07:45,799 Did you have a tough life in school? 158 00:07:45,882 --> 00:07:49,432 -Um, I was teased in middle school. -Teased for? 159 00:07:49,510 --> 00:07:50,640 For… [chuckles] 160 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:55,270 I have so many weird things about me. Like, I got made fun of for my shoes. 161 00:07:55,349 --> 00:07:59,349 Like, I have wide feet, so my shoes would slope over a little bit. 162 00:07:59,437 --> 00:08:01,107 -Look at these things. -Oh my God. 163 00:08:01,189 --> 00:08:02,609 Now I have custom shoes, so… 164 00:08:02,690 --> 00:08:04,320 Ha! Ha! 165 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:05,650 Make fun of me now! 166 00:08:05,735 --> 00:08:07,065 [laughing] 167 00:08:07,153 --> 00:08:08,533 [Lizzo] But, yeah. [laughs] 168 00:08:08,613 --> 00:08:11,783 I got made fun of for that. I got made fun of for my hair. 169 00:08:11,866 --> 00:08:13,696 Knowing stuff in class. 170 00:08:13,784 --> 00:08:17,464 -Oh! Raising my hand too much. -Why is that a thing? 171 00:08:17,538 --> 00:08:19,918 I don't know. And they'd be like, "Well, damn." 172 00:08:19,999 --> 00:08:22,209 You were a good student. Did you get good grades? 173 00:08:22,293 --> 00:08:24,383 I got really good grades 174 00:08:24,462 --> 00:08:27,382 until I didn't want to be made fun of anymore. 175 00:08:27,465 --> 00:08:30,465 I started trying to be cooler, then I became a class clown. 176 00:08:30,551 --> 00:08:33,391 And I would be sent to sack all the time. 177 00:08:33,471 --> 00:08:35,721 -I don't know what sack is. -[Lizzo] Detention. 178 00:08:35,806 --> 00:08:39,056 Where bad kids go. When the teacher don't wanna deal with you no more, 179 00:08:39,143 --> 00:08:42,193 they'd be like, "Get out!" My Spanish teacher, she'd be like, 180 00:08:42,271 --> 00:08:45,981 "Melissa, get out!" She would make me get out of the room all the time! 181 00:08:46,067 --> 00:08:47,737 I'd literally buy my Hot Cheetos 182 00:08:47,818 --> 00:08:50,398 in advance because I knew I'd get sent to sack. 183 00:08:50,488 --> 00:08:52,948 And I would just sit in sack and, like, crunch-- 184 00:08:53,032 --> 00:08:54,952 I'd suck on a Hot Cheeto till it was soft. 185 00:08:55,034 --> 00:08:57,544 Then I would crunch it so I wouldn't get caught. 186 00:08:57,620 --> 00:09:00,540 This is a story we hear quite a lot, 187 00:09:00,623 --> 00:09:05,673 where a kid is misjudged in school and pushed aside, 188 00:09:05,753 --> 00:09:09,303 and then, later, we see how the kid turns out. 189 00:09:09,382 --> 00:09:11,842 And it's, "Oh, we mishandled this." 190 00:09:11,926 --> 00:09:14,716 I remember my English teacher 191 00:09:14,804 --> 00:09:18,434 in, like, the fourth grade, she told us to write a story. 192 00:09:18,516 --> 00:09:20,476 I was like, "Yeah, I'm gonna write a story!" 193 00:09:20,560 --> 00:09:23,480 And I wrote this whole book, and I bound it by hand. 194 00:09:23,563 --> 00:09:26,903 It was front and back pages, and I gave it to her, and she was like, 195 00:09:26,983 --> 00:09:29,993 "I said a paragraph. I don't got time to read all of this." 196 00:09:30,069 --> 00:09:32,359 I was like, "You're crushing my creativity!" 197 00:09:32,446 --> 00:09:34,816 I told my mom, "I have to get out of her class." 198 00:09:34,907 --> 00:09:36,777 And they transferred me to the other teacher. 199 00:09:36,867 --> 00:09:40,907 But I would show up late all the time. I was always late to school. 200 00:09:40,997 --> 00:09:43,537 I would walk in while everyone's sitting quietly, 201 00:09:43,624 --> 00:09:46,594 looking at the band director. And I would have the worst attitude 202 00:09:46,669 --> 00:09:49,089 because I would be so guilty that I was late to school 203 00:09:49,171 --> 00:09:50,511 that I would just, like, 204 00:09:50,590 --> 00:09:53,840 "If I look mad, maybe people will believe something's wrong." 205 00:09:53,926 --> 00:09:55,136 "And they won't bother me." 206 00:09:55,219 --> 00:09:58,469 I remember one of the band directors pulled me aside after school. 207 00:09:58,556 --> 00:10:03,596 He was like, "You have the power to change the way people feel." 208 00:10:03,686 --> 00:10:05,436 "When you walk into that band hall, 209 00:10:05,521 --> 00:10:09,111 and you have that dark, negative energy, it spreads." 210 00:10:09,191 --> 00:10:10,481 "You are a leader." 211 00:10:10,568 --> 00:10:12,988 Mind you, I didn't think that I had an ability to 212 00:10:13,571 --> 00:10:17,071 change anyone's joy or lack thereof. 213 00:10:17,158 --> 00:10:20,828 And, um, I remember being like, "I'm gonna take this responsibility 214 00:10:20,911 --> 00:10:23,501 'cause this guy must know more than me. He's older than me." 215 00:10:23,581 --> 00:10:25,831 -That helped form you. That's fantastic. -[Lizzo] Yeah. 216 00:10:29,420 --> 00:10:31,590 My late teens, early 20s, 217 00:10:31,672 --> 00:10:33,972 we were playing for drinks a lot of the time. 218 00:10:34,050 --> 00:10:36,300 Nice places, or dumps, or both? 219 00:10:36,385 --> 00:10:38,795 -Dive, hipster places. -Yep. 220 00:10:38,888 --> 00:10:42,428 We started off pretty, you know, whatever. 221 00:10:42,516 --> 00:10:45,976 My mom came to a show, and there was literally no one in the audience. 222 00:10:46,062 --> 00:10:50,022 I think you have that in common with most every successful musician 223 00:10:50,107 --> 00:10:52,647 in the world from the beginning of time. 224 00:10:52,735 --> 00:10:55,655 You played places where one person shows up. 225 00:10:55,738 --> 00:10:57,278 So, you got that under your belt. 226 00:10:57,365 --> 00:10:59,945 I remember once we had a gig, and there was no one there. 227 00:11:00,034 --> 00:11:03,204 And my drummer was like, [sighs] "I'm just gonna phone it in." 228 00:11:03,287 --> 00:11:07,077 Or he said something like that. I said, "Don't you ever phone any performance in." 229 00:11:07,166 --> 00:11:09,586 "We have to play every show like it's a packed house." 230 00:11:09,669 --> 00:11:12,209 -Right. -I always went full-out every show. 231 00:11:12,296 --> 00:11:14,006 I ended up on the floor. 232 00:11:14,090 --> 00:11:16,180 'Cause you recognize that obligation. 233 00:11:16,258 --> 00:11:20,098 It's an obligation I was aware of since I was young. 234 00:11:20,179 --> 00:11:24,429 Because, you know, my dad was really, very tough 235 00:11:24,517 --> 00:11:27,517 but, like, he wanted us to be successful. 236 00:11:27,603 --> 00:11:31,073 So, whatever it was, he would, like, push you to do it. 237 00:11:31,148 --> 00:11:34,318 Was he a tough father or a giving, loving father? 238 00:11:34,402 --> 00:11:35,652 [LIzzo] Very tough. 239 00:11:35,736 --> 00:11:39,696 My dad was really pointed about the flute in my music career. 240 00:11:39,782 --> 00:11:42,202 He would say, "I want you to play the flute and sing." 241 00:11:42,284 --> 00:11:45,124 And he was like, "You should sing." And I'm like, "Okay." 242 00:11:45,204 --> 00:11:48,924 And I-- He-- When he was getting, like, his health was failing 243 00:11:48,999 --> 00:11:50,629 for a myriad of reasons, 244 00:11:50,710 --> 00:11:52,880 I remember being like, "I'm gonna be successful, 245 00:11:52,962 --> 00:11:55,302 make a lot of money, so I can take care of my dad." 246 00:11:55,381 --> 00:11:58,381 -[David] How old was he when he died? -[Lizzo] Fifty-seven. 247 00:11:58,968 --> 00:12:01,178 -My father was 57 when he died. -[Lizzo] Really? 248 00:12:01,262 --> 00:12:04,772 Yeah. I mean, 57 is nothing, for God's sakes. 249 00:12:04,849 --> 00:12:07,059 And you were a kid in your young 20s? 250 00:12:07,143 --> 00:12:08,643 -Yeah, I was 20. -[David] Yeah. 251 00:12:09,145 --> 00:12:11,855 When I looked at my surroundings, it was very bleak. 252 00:12:11,939 --> 00:12:14,149 I was like, "Who the hell do I think I am?" 253 00:12:14,233 --> 00:12:16,283 What was bleak that you saw when you looked around? 254 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:18,280 [Lizzo] Oh, man. I was like, 255 00:12:18,362 --> 00:12:21,532 "Everything that I've been doing prior to that was for nothing." 256 00:12:21,615 --> 00:12:23,275 -Really? You-- -[Lizzo] Yeah. 257 00:12:23,367 --> 00:12:27,407 I was really depressed by the feeling of knowing 258 00:12:27,496 --> 00:12:30,326 that I was supposed to be doing something, 259 00:12:30,416 --> 00:12:33,456 and my life not reflecting that something. 260 00:12:33,544 --> 00:12:38,174 You know? I knew I was supposed to be this person my whole life. 261 00:12:38,257 --> 00:12:40,467 Not a famous person, but this person. 262 00:12:40,551 --> 00:12:44,181 Infectiously happy, helping people, connecting with people. 263 00:12:44,263 --> 00:12:46,273 Anybody would single that out as, 264 00:12:46,348 --> 00:12:48,808 "Yeah, that would cause a person to be depressed." 265 00:12:48,893 --> 00:12:51,603 I deal with being anxious a lot. 266 00:12:51,687 --> 00:12:56,527 I know a little something about anxiety. Anxiety and depression are best friends. 267 00:12:56,609 --> 00:12:59,779 How bad do you suffer from anxiety? 268 00:12:59,862 --> 00:13:02,322 It got really bad when I was a little younger. 269 00:13:02,406 --> 00:13:05,826 And I would feel, sometimes, like, outside of my body. 270 00:13:05,910 --> 00:13:08,790 I'd wake up, and my heart was racing. I'm like, "Oh, God." 271 00:13:08,871 --> 00:13:10,211 I didn't know what it was. 272 00:13:10,289 --> 00:13:13,879 And I started getting, like, acupuncture and meditating. 273 00:13:13,959 --> 00:13:16,499 I realized that those symptoms started fading away. 274 00:13:16,587 --> 00:13:18,047 So, the meditation helped? 275 00:13:18,130 --> 00:13:19,920 -[sighs] So much. -[David] Yeah. 276 00:13:20,007 --> 00:13:21,377 [flute playing] 277 00:13:23,886 --> 00:13:25,756 -[David] May I touch these? -Oh, yeah. 278 00:13:25,846 --> 00:13:28,216 -That is a rose quartz. -These are tactile. 279 00:13:28,307 --> 00:13:30,347 -Very satisfying, aren't they? -[Lizzo] Aren't they? 280 00:13:30,434 --> 00:13:33,814 My crystal collection has grown, and people have given me crystals 281 00:13:33,896 --> 00:13:36,516 ever since I, like, did this thing on Instagram live. 282 00:13:43,322 --> 00:13:45,952 I bought three crystals, and they were my first ones. 283 00:13:46,033 --> 00:13:50,753 -It was this, this, and then… -[David] This one? 284 00:13:50,830 --> 00:13:53,210 I love that one. That's amethyst. My favorite. 285 00:13:53,290 --> 00:13:55,130 [David] I love amethyst. These are everywhere. 286 00:13:55,209 --> 00:13:57,289 -They're in geodes. -[Lizzo] Yeah, right. 287 00:13:57,378 --> 00:13:59,548 My dream was to find a geode and crack it open. 288 00:13:59,630 --> 00:14:01,340 Have my own amethyst. 289 00:14:01,423 --> 00:14:05,473 These three are very important to me, and they were part of a huge life change. 290 00:14:05,553 --> 00:14:10,273 I would literally hold them and lay down and meditate. 291 00:14:10,349 --> 00:14:15,729 And, like, sometimes, I would put, like, the rose quartz on my heart chakra, 292 00:14:15,813 --> 00:14:20,233 because this is a love crystal, and it helps your love channel. 293 00:14:20,317 --> 00:14:23,647 I'll put that there. Black tourmaline protects you from evil. 294 00:14:23,737 --> 00:14:25,447 -Tourmaline? -[Lizzo] Black tourmaline, yeah. 295 00:14:25,531 --> 00:14:28,871 It protects you from evil and anyone trying to do you wrong. 296 00:14:28,951 --> 00:14:32,371 And then, of course, this is my-- Oh, you wanna hold them, don't you? 297 00:14:32,454 --> 00:14:34,084 -Wow, that's beautiful -[Lizzo] Isn't it? 298 00:14:34,164 --> 00:14:35,424 Is there any truth to this? 299 00:14:35,499 --> 00:14:38,999 I believe that everything conducts energy, and if you truly think 300 00:14:39,086 --> 00:14:42,256 that this can change your day, then it works. 301 00:14:42,339 --> 00:14:46,139 Ever since I was a little kid, I've had a hunk of amethyst 302 00:14:46,218 --> 00:14:48,138 that came from my grandparents' farm. 303 00:14:48,220 --> 00:14:51,060 Beyond that, I don't know anything about mystical powers. 304 00:14:51,140 --> 00:14:52,980 -[Lizzo] Yeah. -But, what the hell? 305 00:14:53,058 --> 00:14:55,308 Anything that makes you feel good. Who cares? 306 00:14:55,394 --> 00:14:56,904 And they're just beautiful. 307 00:14:56,979 --> 00:15:00,229 I've been in a bad mood for 30 years. Would you-- 308 00:15:00,316 --> 00:15:02,736 -[Lizzo] Jesus. -Is there one that would fix that? 309 00:15:02,818 --> 00:15:03,858 [Lizzo chuckles] 310 00:15:07,740 --> 00:15:10,240 Did you ever have to be medicated for the anxiety? 311 00:15:10,326 --> 00:15:12,656 No. I mean, well… 312 00:15:12,745 --> 00:15:14,325 -I've done-- -Recreationally? 313 00:15:14,413 --> 00:15:16,043 I've done mushrooms. 314 00:15:16,707 --> 00:15:20,837 And I don't know what that means. I hear people who've taken mushrooms, 315 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:24,210 and there's some sort of psychedelic experience. 316 00:15:24,298 --> 00:15:27,718 -You've never done mushrooms? -Well, I've had them on Swiss steak. 317 00:15:27,801 --> 00:15:30,431 [laughs] So, you had the shiitakes. 318 00:15:30,512 --> 00:15:34,062 But you haven't had the, you know, trip-akes, you know what I mean? 319 00:15:34,141 --> 00:15:35,641 What do you do with them? 320 00:15:36,352 --> 00:15:41,192 I always, like, microdose. I break off, like, the smallest possible nugget, 321 00:15:41,273 --> 00:15:43,733 like a crumb, and then I eat that first, 322 00:15:43,817 --> 00:15:46,527 because I don't wanna just dive in, go down the rabbit hole. 323 00:15:46,612 --> 00:15:47,952 Right. Then what happens? 324 00:15:49,323 --> 00:15:52,083 You just-- You get real settled. 325 00:15:52,159 --> 00:15:53,329 You get happy. 326 00:15:53,410 --> 00:15:56,460 You reject, like, artificial things. 327 00:15:56,538 --> 00:15:59,378 Sometimes technology kind of challenges you. 328 00:15:59,458 --> 00:16:02,668 And you're like, "Wait a minute, I'm-- I was here first." 329 00:16:02,753 --> 00:16:04,763 "How you gonna tell me what to do?" 330 00:16:04,838 --> 00:16:05,918 This is interesting. 331 00:16:06,632 --> 00:16:09,342 -We all were here before the technology. -[Lizzo] Yeah. 332 00:16:09,426 --> 00:16:12,176 I mean, my iPhone said, "Time to wake up." 333 00:16:12,262 --> 00:16:13,182 And I was like… 334 00:16:13,263 --> 00:16:14,813 [chuckling] 335 00:16:14,890 --> 00:16:17,020 "Listen, buddy, I'll tell--" You know? 336 00:16:17,101 --> 00:16:19,481 "I'm already awake. First of all, so you wrong." 337 00:16:19,561 --> 00:16:21,021 [both laughing] 338 00:16:21,105 --> 00:16:24,105 So, I was like, "How dare you?" So, I put it in a drawer. 339 00:16:24,191 --> 00:16:25,991 Now, to me, this terrifies me. 340 00:16:26,068 --> 00:16:27,988 The idea of mushrooms, 341 00:16:28,070 --> 00:16:32,450 or like when I was a kid, it was LSD or acid. 342 00:16:32,533 --> 00:16:33,373 [Lizzo] Oh, God. 343 00:16:33,450 --> 00:16:35,790 That shit scares the hell out of me. I can't-- 344 00:16:35,869 --> 00:16:39,249 I've heard things where people were like, "Then the TV came to life. 345 00:16:39,331 --> 00:16:41,081 It swallowed me, and I was inside…" 346 00:16:41,166 --> 00:16:43,876 I'm like, "I'm not trying to get swallowed by nothing." 347 00:16:43,961 --> 00:16:47,881 The only thing I've had in my life that seems to work routinely 348 00:16:47,965 --> 00:16:49,755 is my brain and my mouth. 349 00:16:49,842 --> 00:16:53,102 So, if I goof up my brain, what am I left with? 350 00:16:53,178 --> 00:16:55,758 -Just my dumbbell mouth. -[Lizzo] Your mouth. 351 00:16:56,390 --> 00:16:58,480 [drum beats] 352 00:17:00,894 --> 00:17:04,154 -All right, cool. We're gonna record that. -[David] Yeah. 353 00:17:04,815 --> 00:17:06,975 They say that Jay-Z will just-- 354 00:17:07,067 --> 00:17:10,067 He'll do that and go in behind a microphone 355 00:17:10,154 --> 00:17:11,954 and make shit up and go nuts. 356 00:17:12,031 --> 00:17:15,281 That's what you're about to do. You're about to be Jay-Z. 357 00:17:15,367 --> 00:17:17,997 -Yeah. -You're about-- You're D-Z. Dave-Z. 358 00:17:18,078 --> 00:17:18,998 [chuckles] 359 00:17:19,663 --> 00:17:22,043 [drum beats] 360 00:17:22,124 --> 00:17:23,294 [woman sings note] 361 00:17:23,375 --> 00:17:24,995 -Who is that? -That little… 362 00:17:25,544 --> 00:17:27,134 -[David] Yeah. Who's that guy? -No idea. 363 00:17:27,212 --> 00:17:28,342 -You like that? -Yeah. 364 00:17:28,422 --> 00:17:30,802 I'm gonna put that in there. Here we go. 365 00:17:31,550 --> 00:17:33,550 [drum beats] 366 00:17:38,682 --> 00:17:40,982 -[David] What's he saying? -[Lizzo] Tight. 367 00:17:41,060 --> 00:17:42,770 [David] Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. 368 00:17:42,853 --> 00:17:46,443 Then, we're gonna do a little keyboard. Oh my God, this is so fun. 369 00:17:46,523 --> 00:17:47,573 [keyboard playing] 370 00:17:47,649 --> 00:17:49,899 -[David] Is that a minor key? -That's a minor. 371 00:17:50,986 --> 00:17:53,656 -Am I a genius or what? -[Lizzo] You're literally a genius. 372 00:17:53,739 --> 00:17:54,819 Thank you. 373 00:17:54,907 --> 00:17:56,617 [drum beats] 374 00:17:57,826 --> 00:17:58,736 Here we go. 375 00:17:59,369 --> 00:18:00,949 [keyboard playing] 376 00:18:03,165 --> 00:18:03,995 Wow. 377 00:18:05,334 --> 00:18:06,214 [Lizzo laughs] 378 00:18:06,293 --> 00:18:07,173 Yeah. 379 00:18:07,252 --> 00:18:11,262 So, just say whatever you want over it, you know what I'm saying? 380 00:18:11,340 --> 00:18:13,380 How will I know when I'm done? 381 00:18:13,467 --> 00:18:16,507 I ask myself every single day that same question. 382 00:18:16,595 --> 00:18:18,095 -[David] Okay. -Here we go. 383 00:18:18,180 --> 00:18:19,850 I've never done this. 384 00:18:19,932 --> 00:18:21,682 Holy shit, are you serious? 385 00:18:21,767 --> 00:18:22,847 No, look at me. 386 00:18:22,935 --> 00:18:24,555 [Lizzo] Well, here we go. 387 00:18:24,645 --> 00:18:26,435 -Go in when you hear it. -Okay. 388 00:18:33,070 --> 00:18:34,320 [chuckling quietly] 389 00:18:35,030 --> 00:18:37,410 It's like every hearing test I've ever had. 390 00:18:37,491 --> 00:18:40,121 -[Lizzo] Was it loud enough? -I didn't hear anything. 391 00:18:40,202 --> 00:18:42,292 -[Lizzo] Really? Goddammit. -Yeah. 392 00:18:42,371 --> 00:18:43,501 Is it louder? 393 00:18:44,289 --> 00:18:47,169 -Um, Lizzo, I'm hearing nothing. -Louder? 394 00:18:47,251 --> 00:18:49,801 It-- The problem may not be the equipment. 395 00:18:49,878 --> 00:18:51,878 Goddammit. [laughs] 396 00:18:52,548 --> 00:18:53,588 You know… 397 00:18:53,674 --> 00:18:55,514 -Let's hear what this sounds like. -Okay. 398 00:18:55,592 --> 00:18:57,262 [drum beats] 399 00:18:58,470 --> 00:19:01,390 [David] Uh, Lizzo, I'm hearing nothing. 400 00:19:01,473 --> 00:19:04,693 It-- The problem may not be the equipment. 401 00:19:04,768 --> 00:19:06,228 Whoa! [laughing] 402 00:19:06,311 --> 00:19:08,981 -[David] Now, wait a minute. -Whoa, now that's fire. 403 00:19:09,064 --> 00:19:10,234 That was bullshit. 404 00:19:10,315 --> 00:19:11,855 [Lizzo] I'm saving that one. 405 00:19:12,776 --> 00:19:15,106 The turning point for me in my life 406 00:19:15,195 --> 00:19:17,195 was being forced out of morning television. 407 00:19:17,281 --> 00:19:20,201 What was the turning point for you in your career? 408 00:19:20,284 --> 00:19:21,834 Was it Minneapolis? 409 00:19:22,870 --> 00:19:24,580 Minneapolis changed my life, yeah. 410 00:19:24,663 --> 00:19:28,883 -Who do you go to Minneapolis with? -A producer. And we went to Edina. 411 00:19:28,959 --> 00:19:31,629 -We lived in his-- -[David] I know where Edina is. 412 00:19:31,712 --> 00:19:33,802 I was in Indianapolis doing the weather, 413 00:19:33,881 --> 00:19:38,891 and I go to Edina to this KSTP station or something like that. 414 00:19:38,969 --> 00:19:41,219 And it was the-- exactly the same money. 415 00:19:41,305 --> 00:19:44,845 It was the same job. It was the same money. It was a lateral move. 416 00:19:44,933 --> 00:19:47,813 And I can remember driving back from the airport, 417 00:19:47,895 --> 00:19:53,225 and seeing these endless fences on the medians, on the interstates. 418 00:19:53,317 --> 00:19:57,777 And I said to the driver, I said, "What are those fences for?" 419 00:19:57,863 --> 00:20:00,203 'Cause they have mile after mile of slat fence. 420 00:20:00,282 --> 00:20:02,782 And he says, "Oh, those are snow fences." 421 00:20:02,868 --> 00:20:05,198 And I said, "I won't be coming back here." 422 00:20:05,287 --> 00:20:06,707 -Yeah! -[David] I went back-- 423 00:20:06,788 --> 00:20:09,038 They were telling me how tall the fucking snow is. 424 00:20:09,124 --> 00:20:11,464 Don't know why I stayed. I love Minneapolis, though. 425 00:20:11,543 --> 00:20:15,513 That's how you know Minneapolis has something magnetic about it. 426 00:20:15,589 --> 00:20:17,969 For me to brave that cold? 427 00:20:18,050 --> 00:20:21,720 But living in Edina was so bizarre. It's so rich and so white. 428 00:20:22,471 --> 00:20:26,431 And, um, it's the type of town where, like, if I have a Afro, 429 00:20:26,516 --> 00:20:28,636 they'd be like, "Oh, your hair looks fun." 430 00:20:28,727 --> 00:20:33,147 And I'd be like, "Bitch, what's so fun about my fucking 'fro?" 431 00:20:33,232 --> 00:20:35,612 And I worked at the McCormick & Schmick, 432 00:20:35,692 --> 00:20:36,822 and I remember-- 433 00:20:36,902 --> 00:20:40,492 I'm from Detroit, so we say "salmon" instead of "salmon." 434 00:20:40,572 --> 00:20:43,782 And I remember I got corrected so many times by the customers. 435 00:20:43,867 --> 00:20:46,247 They'd be like, "Salmon! Salmon!" 436 00:20:46,328 --> 00:20:48,748 I was like, "I'm being-- The oppression!" 437 00:20:48,830 --> 00:20:50,750 I met my DJ Sophia Eris 438 00:20:50,832 --> 00:20:53,792 like a week before I literally evacuated Edina. 439 00:20:53,877 --> 00:20:57,257 I was in a taxicab crying. I was like, "I don't know where to go." 440 00:20:57,339 --> 00:20:59,799 I called her and was like, "Can I sleep on your couch?" 441 00:20:59,883 --> 00:21:01,803 Then, I ended up in Southside Minneapolis. 442 00:21:01,885 --> 00:21:03,675 [David] It seemed odd to me that, 443 00:21:03,762 --> 00:21:07,142 "Oh, there's a big musical scene in Minneapolis." 444 00:21:07,224 --> 00:21:10,144 And I think to myself, "No, there's not." 445 00:21:10,227 --> 00:21:12,397 -Yeah. -It's Minneapolis, for God's sakes. 446 00:21:12,479 --> 00:21:15,979 They got snow fences. There's not a big musical scene up there. 447 00:21:16,066 --> 00:21:19,146 Prince is the musical scene in Minneapolis. 448 00:21:19,236 --> 00:21:21,026 Now, you're in Minneapolis. 449 00:21:21,113 --> 00:21:26,543 Was there actually a legitimate, thriving, viable musical scene? 450 00:21:26,618 --> 00:21:28,948 To this day! It's really cool. 451 00:21:29,037 --> 00:21:32,867 And you can have every venue in the city sold out by local artists 452 00:21:32,958 --> 00:21:33,878 in the same night. 453 00:21:33,959 --> 00:21:36,299 You're there how long, and what are you doing 454 00:21:36,378 --> 00:21:39,128 when you, uh, cross paths with Prince? 455 00:21:39,214 --> 00:21:42,344 And was that a goal? In your mind, "I gotta meet Prince." 456 00:21:42,426 --> 00:21:43,716 Hell, no. 457 00:21:43,802 --> 00:21:49,062 Don't nobody got that damn goal. I-- That was astronomical. 458 00:21:49,141 --> 00:21:51,691 This is astronomical. You think I walk around like, 459 00:21:51,768 --> 00:21:54,518 "I want David Letterman to come to my house and talk to me?" 460 00:21:54,604 --> 00:21:57,154 -Yeah. -I'd never fathomed these types of things. 461 00:21:57,232 --> 00:21:58,692 That's the unfathomable. 462 00:21:58,775 --> 00:22:03,315 I wasn't in Minneapolis long. I will say that. 463 00:22:03,405 --> 00:22:04,775 Half a year? Two years? 464 00:22:05,699 --> 00:22:06,779 [Lizzo] Two years. 465 00:22:06,867 --> 00:22:09,787 I was in a couple girl groups 466 00:22:10,454 --> 00:22:12,714 with my DJ and musical life partner, 467 00:22:12,789 --> 00:22:15,879 Sophia Eris, and, um… 468 00:22:15,959 --> 00:22:20,169 Prince had been doing this thing where he was cultivating 469 00:22:20,255 --> 00:22:23,625 young black women who were creatives, and he was supporting them 470 00:22:24,217 --> 00:22:25,757 at, uh, Paisley Park. 471 00:22:25,844 --> 00:22:29,064 [David] Paisley Park was just what he called his home? 472 00:22:29,139 --> 00:22:31,979 -A big-- -But it was more than that. It was like… 473 00:22:32,559 --> 00:22:33,439 incredible. 474 00:22:33,977 --> 00:22:36,897 -You know? It was like a studio-- -[David] And you-- 475 00:22:36,980 --> 00:22:40,690 You would go there once a week, twice a week, every night, what? 476 00:22:40,776 --> 00:22:42,186 Not every night. I wish. 477 00:22:42,277 --> 00:22:45,237 My relationship with Prince was like… 478 00:22:47,657 --> 00:22:50,237 Charlie, and we were the Angels. 479 00:22:50,327 --> 00:22:52,157 It was kind of like that. [chuckles] 480 00:22:52,245 --> 00:22:55,705 Um, I remember the first time we went to Paisley Park, we recorded… 481 00:22:56,291 --> 00:22:57,171 Um… 482 00:22:57,918 --> 00:23:01,088 And he was on, like, a speaker. 483 00:23:01,171 --> 00:23:02,011 Ah. 484 00:23:02,089 --> 00:23:05,339 Yeah. And I remember we were just like, "Does he like it?" 485 00:23:05,425 --> 00:23:08,755 Like, he listened to us. It was so in there. "He likes it." 486 00:23:08,845 --> 00:23:11,515 [chuckles] You know what I mean? And, um… 487 00:23:12,766 --> 00:23:14,726 for me, I was like. "You know what?" 488 00:23:14,810 --> 00:23:19,190 "Your-- The mysticism is real. It's true. I'm not gonna argue with it." 489 00:23:19,272 --> 00:23:20,192 "I'm not gonna… 490 00:23:20,941 --> 00:23:22,781 [sighs] try to force anything." 491 00:23:22,859 --> 00:23:24,989 Were you still in Minneapolis when he died? 492 00:23:25,070 --> 00:23:27,070 -I had just moved to LA. -Just moved to LA. 493 00:23:27,781 --> 00:23:32,241 And then, um, I got a text, and it was like, "You know, he's gone." 494 00:23:37,290 --> 00:23:41,170 And I flew to Minneapolis that night, and I went straight to First Avenue, 495 00:23:41,253 --> 00:23:44,713 and I sang "The Beautiful Ones" by Prince. 496 00:23:46,925 --> 00:23:51,005 The last time I saw Prince was-- I went to Paisley Park, 497 00:23:51,096 --> 00:23:54,846 and he played "Purple Rain" on the piano. 498 00:23:54,933 --> 00:23:59,193 And he started crying while playing it. 499 00:23:59,271 --> 00:24:02,021 It was the most beautiful sound you've ever heard, like… 500 00:24:02,107 --> 00:24:04,857 The piano just had, like, strings and violins. 501 00:24:04,943 --> 00:24:07,953 And I was like, "Whoa. Where are these sounds coming from?" 502 00:24:08,029 --> 00:24:10,489 And his voice was so beautiful. And then he wept, 503 00:24:10,574 --> 00:24:13,204 and it was so beautiful. Then he was like… [sniffles] 504 00:24:13,827 --> 00:24:14,737 [smacks lips] 505 00:24:14,828 --> 00:24:17,158 "I really gotta work on my set list." [laughs] 506 00:24:17,247 --> 00:24:21,327 Because he was like, "I can't put that so early in the set." 507 00:24:21,418 --> 00:24:23,248 But "Purple Rain" moved him so much. 508 00:24:23,336 --> 00:24:25,456 But I didn't think anything was wrong. 509 00:24:25,547 --> 00:24:28,427 I just-- I'd never seen so much emotion from him. 510 00:24:29,050 --> 00:24:32,180 There's nothing better than to just get a true artist, 511 00:24:32,262 --> 00:24:34,102 like, raw and in the flesh, 512 00:24:35,056 --> 00:24:37,926 and the whole world bleeds for this person. 513 00:24:38,018 --> 00:24:39,728 Like, the whole world was purple. 514 00:24:41,855 --> 00:24:46,685 So, then, um, you move to LA because you're getting big? 515 00:24:46,776 --> 00:24:50,776 LA did that thing where, suddenly, you look up, and you're in LA. 516 00:24:50,864 --> 00:24:51,704 [chuckles] 517 00:24:51,781 --> 00:24:56,501 'Cause I was like, "No, I'm never leaving. I love the Twin Cities. I'm staying here." 518 00:24:56,578 --> 00:24:59,118 And I found myself flying back and forth. 519 00:24:59,206 --> 00:25:01,666 It went from, "We're gonna put you up in a hotel." 520 00:25:01,750 --> 00:25:04,040 And then, "Let's get you a little apartment." 521 00:25:04,127 --> 00:25:06,547 -And then all of a sudden-- -This is all-- 522 00:25:06,630 --> 00:25:09,380 A music producer is financing this for you? 523 00:25:09,466 --> 00:25:12,466 It's, like, I moved to LA because I had a job with MTV, 524 00:25:12,552 --> 00:25:14,262 and I got signed to Atlantic Records. 525 00:25:14,346 --> 00:25:16,966 But if I could've done all that from Minneapolis, I would've. 526 00:25:17,057 --> 00:25:20,017 Now you could do it anywhere you want. You don't need to be in LA. 527 00:25:20,101 --> 00:25:22,271 You can be in Linton, Indiana. 528 00:25:22,354 --> 00:25:25,114 -Oh, don't tempt me. [chuckles] -[David] Yeah. 529 00:25:25,190 --> 00:25:26,360 ♪ Hey, world ♪ 530 00:25:27,108 --> 00:25:27,938 ♪ What's up? ♪ 531 00:25:28,985 --> 00:25:30,815 ♪ You know what's up? ♪ 532 00:25:32,072 --> 00:25:35,082 ♪ Do you know what time it is? Do you know what time it is? ♪ 533 00:25:35,158 --> 00:25:37,658 ♪ Do you know what time it is? Do you know what-- ♪ 534 00:25:37,744 --> 00:25:38,834 ♪ It's time to vote ♪ 535 00:25:40,830 --> 00:25:41,920 ♪ It's time to vote ♪ 536 00:25:43,917 --> 00:25:44,997 ♪ It's time to vote ♪ 537 00:25:46,044 --> 00:25:49,464 -Through all of this, you write music. -I'm writing like crazy. 538 00:25:49,548 --> 00:25:52,428 Overwriting, actually. I learned how to under-write, thank God. 539 00:25:52,509 --> 00:25:54,219 I don't know what that means. 540 00:25:54,302 --> 00:25:56,852 Overwriting was-- I was extremely wordy. 541 00:25:56,930 --> 00:25:59,470 I wrote, like, really intricate rhythms. 542 00:25:59,558 --> 00:26:01,518 If you listen to, like… [blows air] 543 00:26:01,601 --> 00:26:05,441 "Batches & Cookies" is "I remember that gooey gooey. You took and said 'ooh wee.'" 544 00:26:05,522 --> 00:26:08,572 "I need two of these for my baby boo-ee." Why am I rapping so fast? 545 00:26:08,650 --> 00:26:13,780 You know? And I realized to connect with people en masse, simplify. 546 00:26:13,863 --> 00:26:19,743 There's a line, uh, "Why do men--" 547 00:26:19,828 --> 00:26:21,908 "Why are men great till they gotta be great?" 548 00:26:21,997 --> 00:26:23,667 I thought that was… 549 00:26:24,666 --> 00:26:25,496 beautiful. 550 00:26:26,001 --> 00:26:29,001 It's so succinct and true. 551 00:26:29,087 --> 00:26:30,087 Wow. 552 00:26:30,171 --> 00:26:33,971 I just found a video of me crying in the studio 553 00:26:34,050 --> 00:26:35,680 the day I recorded "Truth Hurts." 554 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,930 What experience led you to that? 555 00:26:38,013 --> 00:26:39,723 An entire bottle of wine 556 00:26:39,806 --> 00:26:42,136 led to that experience. 557 00:26:42,225 --> 00:26:45,595 At the time, I traveled with two dancers, my DJ, myself, 558 00:26:45,687 --> 00:26:47,937 my creative director, my tour manager, all women. 559 00:26:48,023 --> 00:26:50,483 We had a bottle of wine to ourselves in the green room. 560 00:26:50,567 --> 00:26:52,107 We were like, "Holy shit, let's go." 561 00:26:52,193 --> 00:26:55,113 [soda can opening sound] That's not the sound, but it's fine. 562 00:26:55,196 --> 00:27:00,236 And I was very sad over a really traumatic experience. 563 00:27:00,327 --> 00:27:03,657 Love relationships don't have to be dramatic to be traumatic. 564 00:27:03,747 --> 00:27:07,537 And it's just one of those things that kind of slipped out in conversation. 565 00:27:07,626 --> 00:27:10,496 "Why are men great till they gotta be great?" 566 00:27:10,587 --> 00:27:11,957 And I wrote it down 567 00:27:12,631 --> 00:27:16,511 and just put it in the-- You know, I was like, "I don't wanna forget that." 568 00:27:17,093 --> 00:27:22,063 And then, when we were making "Truth Hurts," 569 00:27:22,140 --> 00:27:23,980 I went back to that. 570 00:27:24,559 --> 00:27:26,309 To me, what it means is… 571 00:27:27,479 --> 00:27:31,779 we put men in positions of power all the time, 572 00:27:31,858 --> 00:27:36,028 especially with love, because we trust them, you know? 573 00:27:36,112 --> 00:27:38,072 We trust them to take care of us. 574 00:27:38,615 --> 00:27:40,195 And when it's time, 575 00:27:40,283 --> 00:27:42,703 they often let us down. 576 00:27:42,786 --> 00:27:45,576 That's what men want to be thought of. 577 00:27:45,664 --> 00:27:47,294 As great, you know? 578 00:27:47,374 --> 00:27:51,634 They will, myself included, any opportunity, 579 00:27:51,711 --> 00:27:53,761 "Let me tell you something about me." 580 00:27:54,756 --> 00:27:58,466 But when push comes to shove, it's, "Geez, where's the fire extinguisher?" 581 00:27:58,551 --> 00:28:01,601 "I-- Oh, crap, where did it--" You know, it's like that. 582 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,100 Next time you call me talented, put "multi" in front of it. 583 00:28:05,183 --> 00:28:06,693 [flute playing] 584 00:28:15,568 --> 00:28:18,108 Suck my dick! 585 00:28:18,196 --> 00:28:19,156 [chuckling] 586 00:28:20,031 --> 00:28:23,991 Playing the flute, to me, is-- That's honestly-- That's why I'm here. 587 00:28:24,077 --> 00:28:25,787 [laughing] 588 00:28:25,870 --> 00:28:27,710 -Just-- Yeah. -Now, there it is. 589 00:28:27,789 --> 00:28:29,289 [David] There it is, exactly. 590 00:28:29,374 --> 00:28:31,634 So, I mean, who the heck-- 591 00:28:31,710 --> 00:28:35,000 Was it in a classroom-- Somebody just said, "Come over here, kid?" 592 00:28:35,088 --> 00:28:38,508 I could've been a clarinet player, twerking and playing the clarinet. 593 00:28:38,591 --> 00:28:40,681 But if you look at my life now, 594 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,560 it was the most miraculous thing because, first of all, 595 00:28:44,639 --> 00:28:48,349 the Youngblood Intermediate School Band was the baddest band in the land. 596 00:28:48,435 --> 00:28:52,805 We was a bunch of fifth and sixth graders turning the concerts out in the gym. 597 00:28:52,897 --> 00:28:55,357 My band director, Mr. James Browden, 598 00:28:55,442 --> 00:28:57,652 would transpose songs from the radio. 599 00:28:57,736 --> 00:29:00,656 Then we would just play them, and he would make us dance, 600 00:29:00,739 --> 00:29:03,119 and it made us really love music. 601 00:29:03,199 --> 00:29:06,449 But it's funny 'cause I was afraid of the jazz and the rock flute, 602 00:29:06,536 --> 00:29:08,996 but the classical flute, "The Man with the Golden Flute--" 603 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,170 -James Galway. -[Lizzo] James Galway, who I love. 604 00:29:12,250 --> 00:29:13,500 I was like, "Let's go!" 605 00:29:13,585 --> 00:29:15,625 I would listen to his CDs 606 00:29:15,712 --> 00:29:18,052 and try to sightread and play along with him. 607 00:29:18,131 --> 00:29:20,631 -[David] Have you met him or played-- -No. 608 00:29:20,717 --> 00:29:23,427 He's got a platinum flute. I was like, "What a baller." 609 00:29:23,511 --> 00:29:25,851 -You know what I mean? -[laughs] 610 00:29:25,930 --> 00:29:29,480 Some people got platinum chains, but he has a platinum flute. 611 00:29:29,559 --> 00:29:32,599 To refer to a guy who is the master 612 00:29:32,687 --> 00:29:36,477 of the symphonic orchestral flute as a baller, 613 00:29:36,566 --> 00:29:37,936 that's pretty good. 614 00:29:38,026 --> 00:29:40,316 He a baller, man. [laughs] 615 00:29:40,403 --> 00:29:42,283 Moe, that-- that-- could've laughed at that. 616 00:29:42,363 --> 00:29:44,073 [laughing] 617 00:29:44,157 --> 00:29:46,197 -He's a terrible actress. -Awful. 618 00:29:46,284 --> 00:29:49,914 -So, you have flutes here? I mean-- -[Lizzo] I have so many flutes. 619 00:29:49,996 --> 00:29:51,076 Are flutes expensive? 620 00:29:51,164 --> 00:29:53,584 When I had nothing, I had Sasha Flute. 621 00:29:53,666 --> 00:29:56,706 And she was the most expensive thing in my possession. 622 00:29:56,795 --> 00:30:00,215 No car, no house, nothing. And I guarded the flute with my life. 623 00:30:03,843 --> 00:30:05,973 -Do you mind if I look at it? -Take a look. 624 00:30:06,054 --> 00:30:08,854 -She identifies as her. -[David] That's remarkable. 625 00:30:08,932 --> 00:30:11,682 You are so fascinated by the fucking flute. 626 00:30:11,768 --> 00:30:14,438 No, I really am, and why wouldn't you be? 627 00:30:14,521 --> 00:30:16,401 I guess so. I'm so used to it. 628 00:30:16,481 --> 00:30:18,571 -Let me clean her up for you. -[David] Yeah. 629 00:30:18,650 --> 00:30:22,700 She's greasy because I play her, and I don't clean her up. 630 00:30:22,779 --> 00:30:26,569 The Muramatsu flute, made in Tokorozawa, Japan. 631 00:30:26,658 --> 00:30:30,078 These are pretty special. I have, like, an extremely rare flute. 632 00:30:30,161 --> 00:30:31,251 Where did you get it? 633 00:30:31,329 --> 00:30:34,209 My father, um, got me this flute 634 00:30:34,290 --> 00:30:38,340 when I was maybe a junior or a senior in high school, 635 00:30:38,419 --> 00:30:39,999 and I've had her since then. 636 00:30:40,088 --> 00:30:42,798 -Look at that. -[David] It's like jewelry, isn't it? 637 00:30:42,882 --> 00:30:44,972 -[Lizzo] You can touch her. -I don't wanna touch her. 638 00:30:45,051 --> 00:30:48,181 I mean, honestly, I-- If you weren't here, I'd try it. 639 00:30:48,263 --> 00:30:49,563 -[Lizzo] You would? -Yeah. 640 00:30:49,639 --> 00:30:53,849 I have so many flutes. You can literally-- This is an ocarina. This is a toot. 641 00:30:53,935 --> 00:30:55,765 That's like a recorder for kids. 642 00:30:55,854 --> 00:30:58,314 Yeah, except it's played flute style. It's to the side. 643 00:30:58,398 --> 00:30:59,398 Yeah, I don't know. 644 00:30:59,482 --> 00:31:00,902 Um, I have so many flutes. 645 00:31:00,984 --> 00:31:03,904 I want you to try one that's not so expensive. 646 00:31:03,987 --> 00:31:05,447 Oh, we can get Blue Ivy. 647 00:31:07,657 --> 00:31:08,657 This is Blue Ivy. 648 00:31:08,741 --> 00:31:12,371 -She's controversial. -Because of the color? 649 00:31:13,037 --> 00:31:15,747 Yeah. They were like, "That's not a flute. It's a toy." 650 00:31:15,832 --> 00:31:17,082 -So, um… -[chuckles] 651 00:31:17,166 --> 00:31:20,416 People can be so ugly talking about flutes. 652 00:31:20,503 --> 00:31:21,463 I hate it! 653 00:31:21,546 --> 00:31:24,836 You put your hand here, and then you put-- Like this. 654 00:31:25,592 --> 00:31:28,092 Oh my God, this is so cool. You are a natural. 655 00:31:28,177 --> 00:31:30,137 People don't do it that good the first time. 656 00:31:30,221 --> 00:31:31,221 Where do I blow? 657 00:31:31,306 --> 00:31:32,806 Ha! Well… 658 00:31:33,933 --> 00:31:36,563 -All right. Childish. -Oh, stop that! 659 00:31:36,644 --> 00:31:38,314 You blow right in that hole. 660 00:31:38,396 --> 00:31:40,936 [laughing] 661 00:31:41,024 --> 00:31:42,654 Gonna have to ask you to leave. 662 00:31:43,651 --> 00:31:44,991 You got this. 663 00:31:46,696 --> 00:31:47,736 Geez, I'm winded. 664 00:31:47,822 --> 00:31:50,412 -[Lizzo] Well, welcome to my world. -[chuckling] 665 00:31:50,491 --> 00:31:53,081 Imagine. Doing this and singing? 666 00:31:53,161 --> 00:31:55,161 [blowing] 667 00:31:55,246 --> 00:31:56,866 -Let me hear you. -Okay. 668 00:31:57,790 --> 00:31:59,880 -[flute playing] -Oh! 669 00:31:59,959 --> 00:32:02,169 Are you blowing hard or blowing soft? 670 00:32:02,253 --> 00:32:04,383 It's really the embouchure, which is your mouth. 671 00:32:04,464 --> 00:32:06,424 -Yeah. -You just have to kind of-- 672 00:32:06,507 --> 00:32:07,757 -[gasps] -[flute playing] 673 00:32:07,842 --> 00:32:09,762 No one can really do this. 674 00:32:12,013 --> 00:32:13,643 -Here. You hold this. -[Lizzo] Yeah. 675 00:32:13,723 --> 00:32:15,483 Let's try something like this. 676 00:32:18,019 --> 00:32:19,229 [whistling] 677 00:32:19,729 --> 00:32:21,059 Oh! 678 00:32:22,231 --> 00:32:23,071 Wait, no. 679 00:32:24,525 --> 00:32:27,815 There's gotta be something in there. How'd you do that? 680 00:32:27,904 --> 00:32:28,824 [chuckling] 681 00:32:28,905 --> 00:32:30,815 Wait, how were you doing that? 682 00:32:30,907 --> 00:32:33,407 -[whistling] -Is that like a bird call? 683 00:32:33,493 --> 00:32:37,413 -Here, can you accompany me on Sasha? -[Lizzo] On the flute? 684 00:32:37,497 --> 00:32:39,207 Okay. What note is that? 685 00:32:39,791 --> 00:32:42,591 -[flute playing] -[whistling] 686 00:32:52,512 --> 00:32:55,222 -Oh, that's "Jingle Bells." [chuckles] -I'm out of gas. 687 00:32:55,306 --> 00:32:57,806 [playing "Jingle Bells" on flute] 688 00:33:02,689 --> 00:33:03,939 [whistling] 689 00:33:04,565 --> 00:33:07,105 You could have had a symphonic flute career. 690 00:33:07,193 --> 00:33:09,743 -I wanted that so bad. -What happened there? 691 00:33:10,321 --> 00:33:11,701 I dropped out of college. 692 00:33:12,198 --> 00:33:14,158 -This is when your father died? -[Lizzo] Mm-hm. 693 00:33:14,242 --> 00:33:18,202 -[David] How far into college were you? -I was a year and a half in. 694 00:33:19,038 --> 00:33:19,868 Not shit. 695 00:33:19,956 --> 00:33:21,076 [chuckling] 696 00:33:21,165 --> 00:33:23,455 You were doing well musically with the flute. 697 00:33:23,543 --> 00:33:24,753 Yeah, I was doing well. 698 00:33:24,836 --> 00:33:27,336 I was smoking them hos in the master class. 699 00:33:27,422 --> 00:33:28,722 Smoking them hos. 700 00:33:28,798 --> 00:33:31,878 And then-- So, the master class, for people who don't know, 701 00:33:31,968 --> 00:33:33,888 is a class where all the flutes come together, 702 00:33:33,970 --> 00:33:35,350 and you get up and play your piece. 703 00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:37,430 Then the teacher, you know, critiques you. 704 00:33:37,515 --> 00:33:40,515 Just to make sure we have this on the record, 705 00:33:40,601 --> 00:33:42,731 you were smoking the hos. 706 00:33:42,812 --> 00:33:43,652 [laughing] 707 00:33:43,730 --> 00:33:47,320 -I just-- Have I got that right? -I was smoking them hos. [laughs] 708 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,320 [David] Oh, smoking them hos. Okay. 709 00:33:49,402 --> 00:33:51,152 -I had style, man. -[David] Yeah. 710 00:33:51,237 --> 00:33:55,317 As your music horizon evolved and widened and broadened, 711 00:33:55,408 --> 00:33:57,118 and you pursued other kinds of music, 712 00:33:57,201 --> 00:33:59,581 people were discouraging you to bring the flute. 713 00:33:59,662 --> 00:34:01,542 -"Don't bring that here." -Yeah. 714 00:34:01,622 --> 00:34:04,002 And I'm thinking, "You're crazy." 715 00:34:04,083 --> 00:34:06,843 "This flute is a moneymaker, for God's sake." 716 00:34:06,919 --> 00:34:11,009 I had a lot of, like, band-nerd, um, guilt. 717 00:34:11,090 --> 00:34:13,380 When they were like, "That's nerdy. Don't do that," 718 00:34:13,468 --> 00:34:15,338 I wasn't like, "No, it's not. It's cool." 719 00:34:15,428 --> 00:34:18,098 I was like, "You're right," because that's all I knew. 720 00:34:18,181 --> 00:34:22,101 What happened was I posted a video on Instagram 721 00:34:22,602 --> 00:34:26,112 where I was playing the flute, and people loved it. 722 00:34:26,189 --> 00:34:29,189 And I was like, "Oh, y'all like this? Okay." 723 00:34:29,275 --> 00:34:32,565 And I did it onstage, and it just took a life of its own. 724 00:34:32,653 --> 00:34:37,083 -What was their problem with the flute? -Well, rappers didn't play flutes, and-- 725 00:34:37,158 --> 00:34:40,618 I know, but that's cool. All of a sudden, put them together and bingo. 726 00:34:40,703 --> 00:34:42,833 [playing flute] 727 00:34:43,414 --> 00:34:44,504 The sound of that… 728 00:34:45,166 --> 00:34:46,706 [Lizzo] Yeah. It's healing. 729 00:34:46,793 --> 00:34:48,293 It's a beautiful frequency. 730 00:34:48,377 --> 00:34:51,297 That's-- When you listen to meditation music, it's normally flutes. 731 00:34:51,422 --> 00:34:52,762 Is that right? It's delightful. 732 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,220 -[Lizzo] Thank you. -Yeah. 733 00:34:54,300 --> 00:34:56,220 This is what I would do for my encore. 734 00:34:56,302 --> 00:34:59,012 -I would come out with the flute. -Now people go crazy. 735 00:34:59,097 --> 00:35:00,467 -They're screaming. -Yeah. 736 00:35:00,556 --> 00:35:03,596 She's very popular. She doesn't leave the house for more than 20K. 737 00:35:03,684 --> 00:35:05,144 -[laughs] -[Lizzo] She doesn't. 738 00:35:05,228 --> 00:35:09,148 So, we come out, and it's a guessing game. I'm like, "Do you guys know this?" 739 00:35:09,232 --> 00:35:10,942 [flute playing] 740 00:35:15,780 --> 00:35:17,780 And everyone's like, "I don't know." 741 00:35:17,865 --> 00:35:19,655 [flute playing resumes] 742 00:35:26,332 --> 00:35:28,962 Play with them a bit and they're like, "What is this song?" 743 00:35:29,418 --> 00:35:30,748 [flute playing] 744 00:35:34,298 --> 00:35:35,548 ♪ Ooh, baby ♪ 745 00:35:35,633 --> 00:35:38,223 At that point, they know. They're like, "Oh, okay." 746 00:35:38,803 --> 00:35:40,103 [flute playing] 747 00:35:43,891 --> 00:35:45,311 ["Juice" playing by Lizzo] 748 00:35:45,393 --> 00:35:47,773 ♪ Don't say it 'cause I know I'm cute Oh, baby ♪ 749 00:35:47,854 --> 00:35:49,314 ♪ Louis down to my drawers ♪ 750 00:35:49,397 --> 00:35:51,687 ♪ LV all on my shoes Oh, baby ♪ 751 00:35:52,275 --> 00:35:55,275 ♪ It ain't my fault that I'm out here gettin' loose ♪ 752 00:35:55,361 --> 00:35:57,281 ♪ Gotta blame it on the Goose ♪ 753 00:35:57,363 --> 00:35:59,243 ♪ Gotta blame it on my juice ♪ 754 00:35:59,323 --> 00:36:00,413 ♪ Ya-ya-ee ♪ 755 00:36:00,491 --> 00:36:02,241 ♪ Ya-ya-ee Ya-ya-ee ♪ 756 00:36:02,326 --> 00:36:04,246 ♪ Ya-ya-ee Ya-ya-ee ♪ 757 00:36:04,328 --> 00:36:05,578 ♪ Blame it on my juice ♪ 758 00:36:05,663 --> 00:36:07,173 [playing "Juice" on flute] 759 00:36:07,248 --> 00:36:08,078 ♪ Ya-ya-ee ♪ 760 00:36:08,166 --> 00:36:08,996 [David] Yeah. 761 00:36:09,083 --> 00:36:10,173 ♪ Ya-ya-ee ♪ 762 00:36:10,251 --> 00:36:13,091 -Oh my God. Oh my God. -[laughing] 763 00:36:13,171 --> 00:36:16,671 That's amazing, to be standing this close to that sound. 764 00:36:16,757 --> 00:36:18,967 Thank you. It's been a minute since I played. 765 00:36:19,051 --> 00:36:21,261 -You seem rusty to me. -I'm a little rusty. 766 00:36:21,345 --> 00:36:24,055 -What happened to Little Rusty? -[chuckles] 767 00:36:24,891 --> 00:36:28,231 [Lizzo] I've been working out consistently for the last five years, 768 00:36:28,311 --> 00:36:31,151 and it may come as a surprise to some of y'all 769 00:36:31,230 --> 00:36:34,440 that I'm not working out to have your ideal body type. 770 00:36:34,525 --> 00:36:37,145 I'm working out to have my ideal body type. 771 00:36:37,862 --> 00:36:41,532 And you know what type that is? None of your fucking business. 772 00:36:43,284 --> 00:36:46,874 You know, there's quite a lot written about your body. 773 00:36:46,954 --> 00:36:47,794 Oh, yeah. 774 00:36:48,539 --> 00:36:52,749 The only thing anybody has ever said to me about my body is, 775 00:36:53,252 --> 00:36:54,502 "You feel all right?" 776 00:36:54,587 --> 00:36:56,047 [laughing] 777 00:36:56,130 --> 00:36:57,550 Is it because, 778 00:36:57,632 --> 00:37:02,892 "We don't think you have the right body to be doing what you are doing?" 779 00:37:02,970 --> 00:37:04,140 Is it just an opinion? 780 00:37:04,222 --> 00:37:06,682 It bothered me for a long time, 781 00:37:06,766 --> 00:37:10,766 that all people could talk about or think about was my size. 782 00:37:10,853 --> 00:37:14,023 I didn't like when people condemned me for it, 783 00:37:14,106 --> 00:37:17,236 and it also kind of rubbed me the wrong way when I was praised. 784 00:37:17,318 --> 00:37:18,688 Like, "You're so brave!" 785 00:37:18,778 --> 00:37:20,778 Is this all via social media, or is it-- 786 00:37:20,863 --> 00:37:24,373 Social media, articles, like, to my face, you know? 787 00:37:24,450 --> 00:37:26,620 'Cause they thought they were complimenting me 788 00:37:26,702 --> 00:37:28,792 by saying that I was unapologetic. 789 00:37:28,871 --> 00:37:31,041 I'm like, "What do I have to apologize for?" 790 00:37:31,123 --> 00:37:34,793 In 2014, when I was wearing a leotard onstage 791 00:37:34,877 --> 00:37:38,257 and saying I love myself with two big girls also in leotards. 792 00:37:38,339 --> 00:37:43,179 I think people were like, "How dare she? How dare she love herself?" 793 00:37:43,261 --> 00:37:44,351 "How could she?" 794 00:37:44,428 --> 00:37:47,268 I'm sick of being an activist just because I'm fat and Black. 795 00:37:47,348 --> 00:37:49,848 I want to be an activist because I'm intelligent, 796 00:37:49,934 --> 00:37:51,604 because I care about issues, 797 00:37:52,103 --> 00:37:55,023 because my music is good, because I wanna help the world. 798 00:37:55,856 --> 00:37:58,026 How many protests have you been involved in? 799 00:37:58,109 --> 00:37:59,739 My first protest I went to… 800 00:38:00,236 --> 00:38:01,606 um… [chuckles] 801 00:38:01,696 --> 00:38:05,196 There was a church group that was coming in, 802 00:38:05,283 --> 00:38:08,953 and they were protesting, you know, legalizing gay marriage. 803 00:38:09,036 --> 00:38:13,956 So, we did an anti-protest, I think that was like 2012 or something. 804 00:38:14,041 --> 00:38:17,341 And I've been actively going since then. 805 00:38:17,420 --> 00:38:18,420 So, is it mixed? 806 00:38:18,921 --> 00:38:22,431 Fifty-fifty inspiration, and others, resentment? 807 00:38:22,508 --> 00:38:25,428 -You know, I only focus on the positive. -[David] There you go. 808 00:38:25,511 --> 00:38:28,261 Of course, the negative, occasional comment comes in. 809 00:38:28,347 --> 00:38:30,137 Like, the jokes. 810 00:38:30,224 --> 00:38:33,944 Is there a factor of envy in this? 811 00:38:34,020 --> 00:38:36,440 You know these hos is jealous of me. [laughing] 812 00:38:36,522 --> 00:38:39,282 [laughing] But you know what I mean? Like… 813 00:38:39,358 --> 00:38:43,198 I think when people see somebody who is free, 814 00:38:43,279 --> 00:38:46,949 they like to label them, um, as an other, 815 00:38:47,033 --> 00:38:49,913 or they like to label them as an outcast. 816 00:38:49,994 --> 00:38:52,584 Or even if it's a-- Not even a negative outcast, 817 00:38:52,663 --> 00:38:54,963 but they're just like, "That is just unattainable." 818 00:38:55,041 --> 00:38:58,501 Like, "She's one of a kind, and no one can be like that." 819 00:38:58,586 --> 00:39:02,466 Um, and there is a little bit of "I wish I could be that way." 820 00:39:02,548 --> 00:39:04,178 Especially the people who hate. 821 00:39:04,258 --> 00:39:06,638 That doesn't really break my heart. Like… 822 00:39:07,845 --> 00:39:11,765 I'm fine. I know that I'm beautiful, and I know that I'm a fucking bad bitch. 823 00:39:11,849 --> 00:39:13,679 I'm successful, poppin' and healthy. 824 00:39:13,768 --> 00:39:16,848 I know I could outrun any of these bitches in any way, every way, 825 00:39:16,937 --> 00:39:21,227 whether it's physical, mental, spiritual, financial, bitch. 826 00:39:21,734 --> 00:39:23,944 I'll run around your motherfucking bank account. 827 00:39:24,028 --> 00:39:25,698 You wanna see me run, bitch? 828 00:39:25,780 --> 00:39:29,080 [both laughing] 829 00:39:29,700 --> 00:39:31,240 You wanna see me run? 830 00:39:31,327 --> 00:39:32,497 [both laughing] 831 00:39:40,419 --> 00:39:41,919 [David] We have this pandemic. 832 00:39:42,004 --> 00:39:46,434 And then we have another virus that's been with us for 400 years. 833 00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:50,140 There was a lynching, is what that was. 834 00:39:50,805 --> 00:39:52,765 To me, it looked like this goon 835 00:39:52,848 --> 00:39:56,308 was happy to behave the way he behaved 836 00:39:56,394 --> 00:39:58,484 while being videotaped. 837 00:39:59,146 --> 00:40:00,856 And then, you realize, 838 00:40:01,565 --> 00:40:05,855 "Oh, yeah, this is the way of the world." 839 00:40:06,821 --> 00:40:07,701 [smacks lips] 840 00:40:08,531 --> 00:40:11,741 As a Black citizen of this country, 841 00:40:11,826 --> 00:40:17,116 I've been heartbroken by the way that we've been treated and seen 842 00:40:17,790 --> 00:40:18,790 my entire life. 843 00:40:19,375 --> 00:40:24,455 I remember there was a murder of a young Black person, 844 00:40:24,547 --> 00:40:27,087 unarmed, in Minneapolis, down the street from my house. 845 00:40:27,174 --> 00:40:28,344 His name was Jamar Clark. 846 00:40:33,055 --> 00:40:35,845 I wrote this song called "My Skin." I was very, like, 847 00:40:36,559 --> 00:40:37,849 "We gotta make a change." 848 00:40:38,644 --> 00:40:41,064 People were camping out in front of the precinct. 849 00:40:42,106 --> 00:40:46,396 We were getting shot at, you know, um, by God knows who. 850 00:40:47,611 --> 00:40:50,321 It was scary. It was dark times. 851 00:40:50,406 --> 00:40:54,156 And then, Tamir Rice, who was 12 years old, 852 00:40:54,243 --> 00:40:55,663 who was playing at a park, 853 00:40:55,744 --> 00:40:58,714 got shot within seconds by a police officer. 854 00:40:58,789 --> 00:40:59,999 Within seconds. 855 00:41:00,875 --> 00:41:02,705 Young, Black 12-year-old boy. 856 00:41:03,210 --> 00:41:07,050 And no-- And people politicized it. 857 00:41:07,131 --> 00:41:11,471 How can you politicize the murder of a child? 858 00:41:11,552 --> 00:41:12,802 And I… 859 00:41:14,096 --> 00:41:16,636 was so numb 860 00:41:16,724 --> 00:41:20,564 that I lost all hope for any type of change in this country. 861 00:41:20,644 --> 00:41:24,274 Four hundred years, and this is what-- where we are now. 862 00:41:24,356 --> 00:41:26,606 But yeah. You mean, change is painful, 863 00:41:26,692 --> 00:41:29,702 and I think you have to sign yourself up for that. 864 00:41:33,199 --> 00:41:35,699 This time, I saw something different. 865 00:41:35,784 --> 00:41:38,334 I saw the sudden allyship 866 00:41:38,412 --> 00:41:41,292 of young white people… 867 00:41:42,833 --> 00:41:43,923 which I'd never seen. 868 00:41:44,001 --> 00:41:46,501 And I also saw people in the news 869 00:41:46,587 --> 00:41:49,587 realize that it's more than just like a hashtag and a moment, 870 00:41:49,673 --> 00:41:55,263 and a movement, and, oh, us complaining, and that it's a real systemic poison. 871 00:41:56,138 --> 00:42:00,268 And that got me, for the first time, a little hopeful. 872 00:42:00,351 --> 00:42:01,311 You are hopeful? 873 00:42:01,936 --> 00:42:03,016 [Lizzo] I-- I mean, 874 00:42:03,103 --> 00:42:07,023 I-- I can't-- I mean, I can't help but to be optimistic and hopeful. 875 00:42:07,107 --> 00:42:08,477 [crowds cheering] 876 00:42:09,610 --> 00:42:12,610 I'm an artist that makes music that makes people feel good. 877 00:42:12,696 --> 00:42:15,316 I'm a big Black girl. I grew up in Houston, Texas. 878 00:42:15,407 --> 00:42:17,197 [crowds cheering] 879 00:42:19,119 --> 00:42:20,659 Back then, the world told me 880 00:42:20,746 --> 00:42:22,826 I wasn't gonna be able to do shit with my life, 881 00:42:22,915 --> 00:42:26,665 and now look, the whole world fell in love with my big beautiful ass. 882 00:42:26,752 --> 00:42:28,502 [cheering] 883 00:42:28,587 --> 00:42:31,587 I say this every night onstage. 884 00:42:31,674 --> 00:42:33,434 "You see this feeling you feel now, 885 00:42:33,509 --> 00:42:36,679 this smile you have on your face, the joy that you're feeling?" 886 00:42:36,762 --> 00:42:40,062 "I don't want this to end when you leave this building." 887 00:42:40,933 --> 00:42:44,483 I want you to know, if you can love me, you can love your goddamn self. 888 00:42:44,562 --> 00:42:46,482 [crowd cheering] 889 00:42:46,564 --> 00:42:49,824 And if you don't mind, I'd like to do a little mantra with you. 890 00:42:49,900 --> 00:42:52,570 Can everybody take a deep breath with me? [inhales] 891 00:42:53,821 --> 00:42:55,361 [exhales] 892 00:42:55,447 --> 00:42:59,737 [David] I know what you're talking about. When you're onstage, you are transcendent. 893 00:42:59,827 --> 00:43:04,747 I was taken by how infectious your happiness was. 894 00:43:04,832 --> 00:43:05,962 [crowd cheering] 895 00:43:06,041 --> 00:43:08,251 I want you to look at the person next to you 896 00:43:08,335 --> 00:43:10,335 and say, "I love you!" 897 00:43:10,421 --> 00:43:11,421 I love you! 898 00:43:11,505 --> 00:43:12,795 You are beautiful! 899 00:43:12,881 --> 00:43:14,221 [crowd] You are beautiful! 900 00:43:14,300 --> 00:43:15,880 And you can do anything! 901 00:43:15,968 --> 00:43:17,468 You can do anything! 902 00:43:17,553 --> 00:43:19,933 And say, "I love you, Lizzo!" 903 00:43:20,014 --> 00:43:21,434 I love you, Lizzo! 904 00:43:21,515 --> 00:43:23,265 You are beautiful, girl! 905 00:43:23,350 --> 00:43:24,850 You are beautiful, girl! 906 00:43:24,935 --> 00:43:27,015 And you can do anything, bitch! 907 00:43:27,104 --> 00:43:28,694 You can do anything, bitch! 908 00:43:29,189 --> 00:43:31,149 [crowd cheering, clapping] 909 00:43:34,570 --> 00:43:38,780 'Cause negative self-speak is common. It's normalized. 910 00:43:38,866 --> 00:43:42,616 Like, "Oh, stupid. I fucked up again. I'm so dumb. Ah." 911 00:43:42,703 --> 00:43:44,333 Or, "I don't look good in this." 912 00:43:44,413 --> 00:43:47,003 But I never say, "I look good in this. I'm intelligent." 913 00:43:47,082 --> 00:43:50,132 And when you have positive experiences with others, 914 00:43:50,210 --> 00:43:51,710 that spreads. 915 00:43:51,795 --> 00:43:53,455 And that makes a difference. 916 00:43:53,547 --> 00:43:57,797 People like you who can go out and perform 917 00:43:57,885 --> 00:44:00,845 and make people feel better about themselves, 918 00:44:00,929 --> 00:44:02,219 that's invaluable. 919 00:44:02,306 --> 00:44:04,976 People who get that are very lucky. 920 00:44:05,601 --> 00:44:09,191 Because that's an energy that most people don't experience. 921 00:44:09,271 --> 00:44:11,441 -I miss it. I wanna play a show. -Yeah. 922 00:44:11,523 --> 00:44:12,443 [chuckles] 923 00:44:13,609 --> 00:44:16,029 [Lizzo] Let me know how the beat sounds too, if it's loud. 924 00:44:16,111 --> 00:44:18,451 Let me just hear a little, and then we'll go. 925 00:44:18,530 --> 00:44:19,490 [Lizzo] Here we go. 926 00:44:22,743 --> 00:44:25,003 [clears throat rhythmically] 927 00:44:27,039 --> 00:44:28,959 ♪ I'm hot I'm hot ♪ 928 00:44:29,583 --> 00:44:30,543 ♪ I'm ugly ♪ 929 00:44:30,626 --> 00:44:32,126 [clears throat rhythmically] 930 00:44:32,211 --> 00:44:33,091 ♪ I sweat ♪ 931 00:44:34,797 --> 00:44:35,877 ♪ I'm wet ♪ 932 00:44:35,964 --> 00:44:36,844 ♪ I'm old ♪ 933 00:44:39,551 --> 00:44:40,971 All right, wait. Hold on. 934 00:44:41,053 --> 00:44:43,393 This song is-- It's almost good, but it's-- 935 00:44:43,889 --> 00:44:46,229 To make it a Lizzo song, you gotta be positive. 936 00:44:46,308 --> 00:44:47,688 You can't say, "I'm ugly." 937 00:44:47,768 --> 00:44:51,768 If you do say, "I'm ugly," you gotta say, "I'm ugly, but I like it." 938 00:44:51,855 --> 00:44:54,815 I thought we really had tied into something there. 939 00:44:54,900 --> 00:44:57,570 That's as positive as you're gonna get. [chuckles] 940 00:44:59,363 --> 00:45:00,823 Where do you want this to go? 941 00:45:00,906 --> 00:45:03,906 If I come back, three years, what would you be doing? Five years? 942 00:45:03,992 --> 00:45:06,582 Do you want this to go on the rest of your life? 943 00:45:06,662 --> 00:45:09,422 You know, Entertainer of the Year is great. 944 00:45:09,498 --> 00:45:12,538 I don't entertain. I'm entertaining. 945 00:45:12,626 --> 00:45:15,046 I'm always gonna be entertaining because of that. 946 00:45:15,129 --> 00:45:17,509 -Mm-hm. -You know, I don't really aim to please. 947 00:45:17,589 --> 00:45:21,639 -More films, fewer films, more live-- -The empire begins. 948 00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:23,349 -[David] Yeah. -[chuckles] 949 00:45:23,429 --> 00:45:28,179 'Cause I'm multifaceted. I'm extremely talented, and I have ideas. 950 00:45:28,267 --> 00:45:33,187 Music will always be the focus, you think, or the main corridor of this? 951 00:45:33,731 --> 00:45:35,651 I can't help but to create music. 952 00:45:35,733 --> 00:45:38,613 I'm a very musical person. It's my destiny. Do you know what I mean? 953 00:45:38,694 --> 00:45:43,074 Well, I must say that my experience here with you has proven 954 00:45:43,157 --> 00:45:44,987 to be everything I thought it might. 955 00:45:45,075 --> 00:45:47,115 -You're a lovely woman. God bless. -Thank you. 956 00:45:47,202 --> 00:45:49,202 Aw, appreciate you too. 957 00:45:49,288 --> 00:45:51,118 -[crowd clapping] -[David] How you doing? 958 00:45:52,249 --> 00:45:53,789 -How you doing? -Come here. 959 00:45:53,876 --> 00:45:56,246 -Oh, that was lovely. -Thank you so much. 960 00:45:56,336 --> 00:45:57,756 Thank you so much. 961 00:45:58,464 --> 00:46:00,224 Lizzo, ladies and gentlemen! 962 00:46:01,216 --> 00:46:02,756 Thank you very much. 963 00:46:02,843 --> 00:46:03,843 Here we go. 964 00:46:03,927 --> 00:46:05,927 [drum beats] 965 00:46:06,013 --> 00:46:08,933 [David] ♪ I'm old. I'm hot. I'm sweaty ♪ 966 00:46:09,641 --> 00:46:11,891 ♪ I'm old. I'm ugly ♪ 967 00:46:11,977 --> 00:46:12,847 ♪ I'm sweaty ♪ 968 00:46:12,936 --> 00:46:14,226 [clears throat] 969 00:46:14,313 --> 00:46:17,823 -[Lizzo] Mixtape dropping. -Yes, it's already dropped. 970 00:46:17,900 --> 00:46:20,990 -Something dropped in me. -[laughing] 971 00:46:21,528 --> 00:46:23,908 I'm saving this, and I'm gonna make a song out of it. 972 00:46:23,989 --> 00:46:27,489 Yeah, you will, and then, "Whatever happened to Lizzo?" 973 00:46:27,576 --> 00:46:30,536 [chuckles] I know. I'm gonna skyrocket your career. 974 00:46:30,621 --> 00:46:33,621 There's gonna be plaques with your face all over it. [laughs] 975 00:46:34,666 --> 00:46:36,166 [theme music playing]