1 00:00:14,043 --> 00:00:16,410 GREG: There's people that think that we were nothing 2 00:00:16,410 --> 00:00:19,643 but a bunch of big, fat bowling drinkers 3 00:00:19,710 --> 00:00:21,810 that smoke cigars and cigarettes, 4 00:00:21,910 --> 00:00:27,209 but we're pretty much blue collar and just fun-loving. 5 00:00:27,309 --> 00:00:28,943 PATRICK: You probably think it's just a normal place 6 00:00:29,043 --> 00:00:30,043 you could grow up and live and raise kids. 7 00:00:30,043 --> 00:00:30,943 you could grow up and live and raise kids. 8 00:00:32,410 --> 00:00:34,143 You don't think people you talk to every day 9 00:00:34,209 --> 00:00:36,143 are capable of killing someone, 10 00:00:36,209 --> 00:00:39,209 especially something that was that diabolical. 11 00:00:39,309 --> 00:00:41,943 {\an8}[Jeremy Moore speaking] 12 00:00:45,610 --> 00:00:47,443 LINDA: You see and hear this stuff, 13 00:00:47,510 --> 00:00:51,510 but you don't think it will happen to you or your family. 14 00:00:51,510 --> 00:00:53,843 EDGAR: I saw my family suffering. 15 00:00:53,910 --> 00:00:56,610 You never get over the hurt and pain. 16 00:00:56,710 --> 00:00:59,710 You almost couldn't be human and do what they did to them. 17 00:00:59,710 --> 00:01:00,043 JODI: We didn't know who we had to hide from. 18 00:01:00,043 --> 00:01:01,043 JODI: We didn't know who we had to hide from. 19 00:01:02,410 --> 00:01:04,810 Who can you trust after what just happened? 20 00:01:04,810 --> 00:01:07,443 You can't trust nobody, because you don't know what's going on. 21 00:01:07,510 --> 00:01:10,543 [thunder rumbles] 22 00:01:10,610 --> 00:01:13,810 [theme music playing] 23 00:02:21,309 --> 00:02:27,109 LINDA: It was Monday, early on the 13th of March in 2006. 24 00:02:27,109 --> 00:02:28,843 {\an8}I went over to my daughter's. 25 00:02:28,910 --> 00:02:30,043 {\an8}She said, "Have you talked to dad?" 26 00:02:30,043 --> 00:02:31,043 {\an8}She said, "Have you talked to dad?" 27 00:02:31,710 --> 00:02:34,343 {\an8}And I said, "About what?" 28 00:02:35,410 --> 00:02:37,910 She informed me that my sister, 29 00:02:37,910 --> 00:02:41,710 Karen, and her husband, Jim, had been robbed, 30 00:02:41,810 --> 00:02:44,710 that it was worse than being just robbed, 31 00:02:45,843 --> 00:02:47,810 and she said... 32 00:02:47,910 --> 00:02:49,510 they were killed. 33 00:02:54,010 --> 00:02:56,143 And to think that 34 00:02:56,209 --> 00:02:58,209 I wasn't gonna have her anymore. 35 00:03:00,810 --> 00:03:01,043 She was my best friend. We did a lot together. 36 00:03:04,610 --> 00:03:08,309 We grew up and kind of learned things together. 37 00:03:10,209 --> 00:03:11,610 Your mind goes nuts. 38 00:03:11,710 --> 00:03:14,810 It's like, was this random, or could 39 00:03:14,810 --> 00:03:17,410 family members have done something like that? 40 00:03:17,410 --> 00:03:19,043 How could that be? 41 00:03:19,143 --> 00:03:21,010 We're a very close family. 42 00:03:21,010 --> 00:03:25,043 I hate that I had those thoughts, but I did. 43 00:03:31,243 --> 00:03:33,510 DET. JONES: I was a detective probably for about four years, 44 00:03:33,510 --> 00:03:36,610 and when we get called out on a homicide, 45 00:03:36,610 --> 00:03:39,343 family life, everything, is put on hold. 46 00:03:39,410 --> 00:03:43,610 {\an8}We might work 50, 52 hours straight, you know, without, 47 00:03:43,610 --> 00:03:45,143 {\an8}you know, going home or anything. 48 00:03:45,209 --> 00:03:46,710 {\an8}[indistinct radio chatter] 49 00:03:46,810 --> 00:03:49,810 When I arrived on the scene, approximately nine a.m., 50 00:03:49,910 --> 00:03:51,810 we wanted to kind of start processing the house 51 00:03:51,910 --> 00:03:53,109 room by room. 52 00:03:53,109 --> 00:03:54,910 Our patrol deputy assigned myself 53 00:03:54,910 --> 00:03:56,710 and Andy Robberts parts of the house. 54 00:03:56,810 --> 00:04:00,043 {\an8}♪♪ 55 00:04:00,043 --> 00:04:01,043 {\an8}♪♪ 56 00:04:01,910 --> 00:04:03,843 DET. ROBBERTS: When we first got to the crime scene, 57 00:04:03,910 --> 00:04:06,410 we wanted to move quickly, but you want to make sure 58 00:04:06,510 --> 00:04:07,543 you get the details. 59 00:04:07,610 --> 00:04:09,010 You don't want to miss anything. 60 00:04:09,010 --> 00:04:12,610 {\an8}It was a two-story home. Uh... 61 00:04:13,543 --> 00:04:16,443 {\an8}I believe it was tan on the outside, like a stucco. 62 00:04:16,510 --> 00:04:18,910 It had a large deck, but I did remember 63 00:04:18,910 --> 00:04:21,043 a bunch of change that was laying on the ground, 64 00:04:21,143 --> 00:04:22,309 that was in the driveway. 65 00:04:24,043 --> 00:04:25,743 DET. JONES: When I walked in the house, 66 00:04:25,810 --> 00:04:27,643 and I looked at the front door, 67 00:04:27,710 --> 00:04:29,309 There was no signs of any forced entry 68 00:04:29,410 --> 00:04:30,043 like somebody kicked the door in or pried the door in. 69 00:04:30,043 --> 00:04:31,043 like somebody kicked the door in or pried the door in. 70 00:04:33,710 --> 00:04:35,410 When I walked into the master bedroom, 71 00:04:35,410 --> 00:04:36,910 I found Karen Divelbliss 72 00:04:36,910 --> 00:04:40,109 laying on the floor, face-down. 73 00:04:40,109 --> 00:04:42,143 White female, approximately 50 years old, 74 00:04:42,209 --> 00:04:44,410 being Jeremy Moore's mother. 75 00:04:45,543 --> 00:04:47,309 I noticed that on her hands, she had a lot 76 00:04:47,410 --> 00:04:50,910 of defensive wounds, and she normally wore a lot of jewelry. 77 00:04:51,010 --> 00:04:53,410 She had no rings on, no wedding band, 78 00:04:53,510 --> 00:04:56,543 and nothing on any of her fingers. 79 00:04:56,610 --> 00:04:58,143 The room was kind of ransacked. 80 00:04:58,209 --> 00:04:59,410 It was a large bedroom. 81 00:04:59,510 --> 00:05:00,043 They had a large king-sized bed with a huge headboard. 82 00:05:00,043 --> 00:05:01,043 They had a large king-sized bed with a huge headboard. 83 00:05:02,810 --> 00:05:05,209 There was quite a bit of blood all around Karen and on 84 00:05:05,209 --> 00:05:07,510 the floor there -- it definitely looked like 85 00:05:07,510 --> 00:05:08,810 somebody had robbed the home and stuff. 86 00:05:08,910 --> 00:05:10,843 There were -- there were footprints down the hallway. 87 00:05:10,910 --> 00:05:12,843 There were some footprints in the bedroom. 88 00:05:12,910 --> 00:05:15,610 She had large jewelry boxes in the closet. 89 00:05:15,710 --> 00:05:18,510 Those were all dumped out and gone through and everything. 90 00:05:18,610 --> 00:05:20,410 I mean this isn't the way you could 91 00:05:20,410 --> 00:05:22,410 tell that these people lived in this home. 92 00:05:22,510 --> 00:05:25,343 It was in pretty bad disarray. 93 00:05:25,410 --> 00:05:28,910 Then there were a set of stairs that went down to a landing. 94 00:05:30,810 --> 00:05:31,043 ROBBERTS: When we looked down the stairway to the landing, 95 00:05:33,410 --> 00:05:36,610 we could see Jim Divelbliss landing in blood. 96 00:05:36,610 --> 00:05:40,810 Jim had two knife wounds to the chest and approximately 97 00:05:40,810 --> 00:05:43,209 four knife wounds to the neck area. 98 00:05:43,309 --> 00:05:45,510 Around the corner from Jim, 99 00:05:45,510 --> 00:05:48,309 there was a closet, and in that closet was 100 00:05:48,410 --> 00:05:49,610 a safe that was open. 101 00:05:50,910 --> 00:05:54,943 So we had two people dead at complete different points of 102 00:05:55,043 --> 00:05:58,643 the home -- one was on the south side of the house, and one was 103 00:05:58,710 --> 00:06:00,043 at the furthest north part of the house, and it was a very -- 104 00:06:00,043 --> 00:06:01,043 at the furthest north part of the house, and it was a very -- 105 00:06:02,043 --> 00:06:03,910 it was a large home -- it wasn't a small house. 106 00:06:04,010 --> 00:06:07,010 So you have no idea what you're running into, 107 00:06:07,010 --> 00:06:09,343 who's involved, how many's involved? 108 00:06:09,410 --> 00:06:11,810 It could be one, could be two, or he could 109 00:06:11,810 --> 00:06:13,543 have had them both under control in the same place, 110 00:06:13,610 --> 00:06:15,910 one guy, if it was a big enough guy. 111 00:06:17,010 --> 00:06:18,410 At that point, we needed to find 112 00:06:18,410 --> 00:06:20,810 more information about Jim and Karen Divelbliss. 113 00:06:20,910 --> 00:06:27,410 {\an8}♪♪ 114 00:06:27,410 --> 00:06:30,043 IRENE: It's hard to imagine anybody being that cruel 115 00:06:30,043 --> 00:06:31,010 IRENE: It's hard to imagine anybody being that cruel 116 00:06:31,010 --> 00:06:31,043 and brutal, to do what they did to Karen and Jim. 117 00:06:34,510 --> 00:06:36,143 {\an8}They were just so full of life. 118 00:06:36,209 --> 00:06:39,309 {\an8}You would not expect it to be taken so quickly. 119 00:06:39,410 --> 00:06:41,109 It was just shock. 120 00:06:41,109 --> 00:06:42,743 Everybody was in shock. 121 00:06:46,510 --> 00:06:48,710 Patrick: Every town has its dark side or secrets, 122 00:06:48,710 --> 00:06:51,743 but murders like that don't happen around here. 123 00:06:51,810 --> 00:06:54,043 I knew who they were, they were real friendly. 124 00:06:54,143 --> 00:06:55,710 {\an8}I knew that they were active in the community, 125 00:06:55,710 --> 00:06:57,810 {\an8}like, had a nice store 126 00:06:57,910 --> 00:07:00,043 {\an8}that everybody in town has been to at least once. 127 00:07:00,043 --> 00:07:00,910 {\an8}that everybody in town has been to at least once. 128 00:07:00,910 --> 00:07:01,043 It was kind of a mom-and-pop shop called D & D Sales. 129 00:07:04,043 --> 00:07:05,443 They had just a little bit of everything, 130 00:07:05,510 --> 00:07:06,510 nothing too fancy, 131 00:07:06,610 --> 00:07:08,610 but a lot of folks went in there and shopped. 132 00:07:08,710 --> 00:07:11,410 I'd actually gotten a bike from there when I was a young kid. 133 00:07:11,510 --> 00:07:13,410 I couldn't believe someone murdered them. 134 00:07:13,510 --> 00:07:22,543 {\an8}♪♪ 135 00:07:22,610 --> 00:07:24,043 Jump over -- no... 136 00:07:24,109 --> 00:07:27,143 WENDY: We knew Karen and Jim for three or four years 137 00:07:27,209 --> 00:07:30,043 {\an8}when we started to bowl in the same league, 138 00:07:30,109 --> 00:07:31,043 {\an8}and I started to coach her. 139 00:07:32,010 --> 00:07:33,309 {\an8}We got closer. 140 00:07:33,309 --> 00:07:35,743 {\an8}Karen and Jim were always ones that you knew who they were. 141 00:07:35,810 --> 00:07:39,043 {\an8}You smiled when they came in, because she lit up a room. 142 00:07:39,109 --> 00:07:40,810 {\an8}She was joyful all the time. 143 00:07:40,810 --> 00:07:43,410 Jim was the quiet one. He was always happy. 144 00:07:43,410 --> 00:07:45,109 But he was the quiet one. 145 00:07:48,109 --> 00:07:52,243 LINDA: Everybody in town shopped at Karen and Jim's store, 146 00:07:52,309 --> 00:07:54,343 because it was a place where they could 147 00:07:54,410 --> 00:07:57,010 find something and afford to buy it. 148 00:07:57,010 --> 00:07:59,143 I felt like a lot of it was directed towards 149 00:07:59,209 --> 00:08:00,043 those that didn't have a lot of money to spend. 150 00:08:00,043 --> 00:08:01,043 those that didn't have a lot of money to spend. 151 00:08:01,510 --> 00:08:03,010 You know, they wanted everybody to be 152 00:08:03,010 --> 00:08:05,710 able to get something if they needed it. 153 00:08:05,710 --> 00:08:07,510 They were just that kind of people. 154 00:08:08,710 --> 00:08:12,243 Jeremy, my nephew, worked at the store with Karen and Jim 155 00:08:12,309 --> 00:08:15,843 also -- Jeremy was pretty good when we opened the store, 156 00:08:15,910 --> 00:08:20,109 but as his life became more troubled, he would come in late, 157 00:08:20,109 --> 00:08:22,743 not show, have anger. 158 00:08:22,810 --> 00:08:24,643 Definitely, as he became more troubled, 159 00:08:24,710 --> 00:08:26,543 it was -- it was hard to work with him at times. 160 00:08:26,610 --> 00:08:30,043 {\an8}♪♪ 161 00:08:30,043 --> 00:08:31,043 {\an8}♪♪ 162 00:08:32,810 --> 00:08:36,209 {\an8}DET. JONES: Jeremy Moore, who was Karen Divelbliss's son, 163 00:08:36,309 --> 00:08:39,043 he was the original caller on this case, 164 00:08:39,109 --> 00:08:41,710 and he was sitting in his car at the scene. 165 00:08:41,710 --> 00:08:44,143 So it was important for us to interview him. 166 00:08:45,243 --> 00:08:48,643 {\an8}[officer speaking] 167 00:08:48,710 --> 00:08:53,010 {\an8}[Jeremy speaking] 168 00:08:56,043 --> 00:08:57,143 DET. JONES: He answered the questions. 169 00:08:57,209 --> 00:08:58,710 Of course, he was upset, so... 170 00:08:58,810 --> 00:09:00,043 it's kind of hard to get a feel on 171 00:09:00,043 --> 00:09:01,043 it's kind of hard to get a feel on 172 00:09:01,109 --> 00:09:04,309 how people are talking to you when they're that upset. 173 00:09:04,410 --> 00:09:06,543 {\an8}[officer speaking] 174 00:09:06,610 --> 00:09:10,143 {\an8}[Jeremy speaking] 175 00:09:48,910 --> 00:09:52,143 {\an8}[officer speaking] 176 00:09:54,309 --> 00:09:57,810 {\an8}[Jeremy speaking] 177 00:09:57,910 --> 00:09:59,810 {\an8}[officer speaking] 178 00:10:05,343 --> 00:10:08,309 After talking to Jeremy Moore at the scene, 179 00:10:08,309 --> 00:10:10,209 he didn't have any solid alibi 180 00:10:10,209 --> 00:10:12,043 to eliminate him right then and there, 181 00:10:12,143 --> 00:10:15,043 so he was somebody that we needed to look at. 182 00:10:17,043 --> 00:10:19,410 DET. ROBBERTS: With no forced entry at the residence, 183 00:10:19,410 --> 00:10:21,510 it could have been possibly somebody they knew, 184 00:10:21,510 --> 00:10:23,610 they opened the door for him, let him in, 185 00:10:23,710 --> 00:10:25,143 just didn't lock the door behind 'em. 186 00:10:25,209 --> 00:10:27,043 Could have entered another way through the house. 187 00:10:27,143 --> 00:10:28,610 In a case like this, 188 00:10:28,710 --> 00:10:30,043 you would think, who has access? 189 00:10:30,043 --> 00:10:30,910 you would think, who has access? 190 00:10:32,543 --> 00:10:39,043 {\an8}♪♪ 191 00:10:39,143 --> 00:10:46,309 {\an8}♪♪ 192 00:10:46,410 --> 00:10:48,610 DAVID: I used to shop over at the Divelbliss store. 193 00:10:48,610 --> 00:10:50,543 I'd go in there -- they were really friendly people. 194 00:10:50,610 --> 00:10:53,309 {\an8}And she always had a lot of nice rings on, 195 00:10:53,410 --> 00:10:55,309 {\an8}you know, something -- something unique that you 196 00:10:55,309 --> 00:10:57,109 wouldn't see very often. 197 00:10:57,109 --> 00:10:59,309 There's not a lot of murder crimes right here. 198 00:10:59,309 --> 00:11:00,043 I mean, naturally, it's gonna be a shock. 199 00:11:00,043 --> 00:11:01,043 I mean, naturally, it's gonna be a shock. 200 00:11:01,910 --> 00:11:06,343 We don't know who done it, you know, how they killed them. 201 00:11:06,410 --> 00:11:08,510 All kinds of things go through your head. 202 00:11:11,043 --> 00:11:12,410 TONY: I haven't been in here since they died. 203 00:11:14,043 --> 00:11:17,910 We do all the work here for electric-wise. 204 00:11:18,010 --> 00:11:19,209 I knew Karen and Jim real well. 205 00:11:22,043 --> 00:11:24,309 {\an8}They was the nicest people you could meet. 206 00:11:24,410 --> 00:11:25,843 {\an8}They went to church. 207 00:11:25,910 --> 00:11:28,243 {\an8}They helped people in the community. 208 00:11:28,309 --> 00:11:29,910 They helped people out. 209 00:11:30,010 --> 00:11:30,043 Guys come homeless, they'd give money to go eat next door. 210 00:11:30,043 --> 00:11:31,043 Guys come homeless, they'd give money to go eat next door. 211 00:11:33,109 --> 00:11:34,743 To this day, I still can't believe that 212 00:11:34,810 --> 00:11:36,043 Karen and Jim got killed. 213 00:11:43,510 --> 00:11:45,543 GREG: Jim and Karen, 214 00:11:45,610 --> 00:11:48,510 I met them back in 1990. 215 00:11:48,510 --> 00:11:51,410 It was just an instant friendship, immediately. 216 00:11:51,410 --> 00:11:53,710 {\an8}They would come in and -- and practice a couple, 217 00:11:53,710 --> 00:11:55,543 {\an8}two or three days a week sometimes. 218 00:11:56,810 --> 00:11:58,910 Karen definitely liked her rings. 219 00:11:59,010 --> 00:12:00,043 She did wear them while she was bowling. 220 00:12:00,043 --> 00:12:01,043 She did wear them while she was bowling. 221 00:12:01,810 --> 00:12:03,109 The rings looked really cool. 222 00:12:03,109 --> 00:12:06,743 You know, her holding onto the ball and kind of sparkle. 223 00:12:06,810 --> 00:12:10,710 They had just got back from Vegas earlier, and then they 224 00:12:10,710 --> 00:12:13,710 bowled that night and was joking about being tired, 225 00:12:13,710 --> 00:12:16,443 you know, and stuff from being out on vacation. 226 00:12:20,943 --> 00:12:23,410 WENDY: Karen and I were supposed to have lunch the week 227 00:12:23,410 --> 00:12:24,743 before they went to Las Vegas, 228 00:12:24,810 --> 00:12:27,243 but she called me and told me that she was not gonna be able 229 00:12:27,309 --> 00:12:28,710 to have lunch with me that day. 230 00:12:28,710 --> 00:12:30,043 Said it was a lengthy story, and she 231 00:12:30,043 --> 00:12:31,043 Said it was a lengthy story, and she 232 00:12:31,410 --> 00:12:33,043 would explain it to me when she saw me. 233 00:12:33,143 --> 00:12:35,810 Her voice was exhausted in that call. 234 00:12:35,810 --> 00:12:38,510 You could tell that it was strained, 235 00:12:38,610 --> 00:12:40,710 and so I didn't feel that she 236 00:12:40,710 --> 00:12:43,043 wanted to talk about it then, because she would have went 237 00:12:43,143 --> 00:12:44,143 into it more. 238 00:12:44,209 --> 00:12:49,209 {\an8}♪♪ 239 00:12:49,309 --> 00:12:52,209 IRENE: The last New Years before they were killed, 240 00:12:52,209 --> 00:12:54,043 they went to a New Year's Eve party, 241 00:12:54,109 --> 00:12:57,243 and Jim insisted that Karen had black and white diamonds. 242 00:12:57,309 --> 00:12:59,343 It was a lot more elaborate than this, 243 00:12:59,410 --> 00:13:00,043 but you get the idea. 244 00:13:00,043 --> 00:13:01,043 but you get the idea. 245 00:13:02,309 --> 00:13:06,010 I did sell Karen and Jim a lot of their jewelry. 246 00:13:06,010 --> 00:13:08,810 I did help maintain it and cleaned it. 247 00:13:08,910 --> 00:13:12,910 It made us very close as friends, seeing her so much. 248 00:13:12,910 --> 00:13:15,343 Jim kept a large amount of cash. 249 00:13:15,410 --> 00:13:18,410 Probably people that knew him, knew that. 250 00:13:18,510 --> 00:13:20,010 They were pretty open. 251 00:13:20,010 --> 00:13:23,510 I mean, if they -- if they liked you, and I'm sure 252 00:13:23,610 --> 00:13:26,610 people could see that there was a good bit of money. 253 00:13:27,610 --> 00:13:29,309 And I thought they were robbed 254 00:13:29,410 --> 00:13:30,043 for their jewels and their money. 255 00:13:30,043 --> 00:13:30,910 for their jewels and their money. 256 00:13:31,010 --> 00:13:31,043 {\an8}♪♪ 257 00:13:36,410 --> 00:13:38,209 DET. JONES: Everybody thought that they knew something 258 00:13:38,309 --> 00:13:39,410 about this case, 259 00:13:39,443 --> 00:13:41,810 because they either knew Jim, or they knew Karen, 260 00:13:41,910 --> 00:13:43,309 or they'd been in their store. 261 00:13:43,410 --> 00:13:46,410 So they all had their opinion on, you know, who did it 262 00:13:46,410 --> 00:13:47,710 and how they did it, 263 00:13:47,710 --> 00:13:51,043 and a lot of people wanted to blame Jeremy Moore, you know, 264 00:13:51,109 --> 00:13:53,343 because he was the first one to find them. 265 00:13:53,410 --> 00:13:55,343 He was the one that made the 911 call. 266 00:13:55,410 --> 00:13:58,810 He did have some misdemeanor petty theft and everything, 267 00:13:58,810 --> 00:14:00,043 and he was the one that stood to inherit a lot of money. 268 00:14:00,043 --> 00:14:01,043 and he was the one that stood to inherit a lot of money. 269 00:14:15,510 --> 00:14:18,143 {\an8}WENDY: When I got the call that Karen 270 00:14:18,209 --> 00:14:19,543 {\an8}and Jim had been murdered, 271 00:14:19,610 --> 00:14:23,810 {\an8}it was a quick flashback to remembering what Karen said 272 00:14:23,910 --> 00:14:28,010 {\an8}about Jeremy -- I think he took things without permission, 273 00:14:28,010 --> 00:14:30,910 but I think he pretty much just relied on his mother 274 00:14:30,910 --> 00:14:32,710 for her support. 275 00:14:32,710 --> 00:14:35,220 It was a constant thought in my mind 276 00:14:35,220 --> 00:14:36,043 It was a constant thought in my mind 277 00:14:36,410 --> 00:14:39,010 that those issues had to have come into play. 278 00:14:39,010 --> 00:14:44,943 {\an8}♪♪ 279 00:14:45,043 --> 00:14:48,143 This was all flat -- this was actually a cow field. 280 00:14:50,410 --> 00:14:55,209 And my husband, Jeremy, he built the house for us. 281 00:14:56,243 --> 00:14:58,510 {\an8}He wanted to build a cabin so he can just get up 282 00:14:58,510 --> 00:15:00,710 {\an8}in the morning and hunt and still be with the family. 283 00:15:02,610 --> 00:15:04,843 I'll never leave. 284 00:15:04,910 --> 00:15:05,220 I always want to be here. 285 00:15:05,220 --> 00:15:06,043 I always want to be here. 286 00:15:09,743 --> 00:15:12,710 Jeremy was Karen's only son from her 287 00:15:12,810 --> 00:15:16,343 first husband, and Jim was Jeremy's stepfather. 288 00:15:17,710 --> 00:15:20,710 Jeremy looked up to Karen like there was nobody. 289 00:15:20,710 --> 00:15:22,309 Of course, they're gonna have their little arguments. 290 00:15:22,309 --> 00:15:24,410 Everybody does when they're around each other. 291 00:15:24,410 --> 00:15:25,643 It's just family. 292 00:15:25,710 --> 00:15:28,410 Um, but they did, they truly got along great, 293 00:15:28,410 --> 00:15:31,943 but I just was worried that they were gonna try to pin it 294 00:15:32,043 --> 00:15:35,220 on him -- I told him, "I know you didn't do it. 295 00:15:35,220 --> 00:15:35,309 on him -- I told him, "I know you didn't do it. 296 00:15:35,410 --> 00:15:36,043 I believe in you." 297 00:15:38,043 --> 00:15:40,943 I think Fairfield County is just like any other town. 298 00:15:41,043 --> 00:15:43,143 You got your rich people, 299 00:15:43,209 --> 00:15:45,510 you got your regular people, and then you got 300 00:15:45,510 --> 00:15:49,243 your poor people, and you can tell who 301 00:15:49,309 --> 00:15:52,309 the wealthy people are and who is not. 302 00:15:52,410 --> 00:15:56,243 I couldn't imagine who would hurt Karen and Jim, 303 00:15:56,309 --> 00:15:58,710 but money is the only motive that I can think of. 304 00:16:02,610 --> 00:16:05,220 {\an8}I was born here many moons ago. 305 00:16:05,220 --> 00:16:05,843 {\an8}I was born here many moons ago. 306 00:16:05,910 --> 00:16:06,043 {\an8}So I was born in '63. 307 00:16:11,410 --> 00:16:14,543 We've always had our pictures on our mantel here. 308 00:16:14,610 --> 00:16:16,743 Karen and Jim there. 309 00:16:16,810 --> 00:16:18,243 They had a great marriage. 310 00:16:18,309 --> 00:16:20,710 You could just see they were in love with each other. 311 00:16:20,810 --> 00:16:23,710 He cherished the ground that she walked on. 312 00:16:25,643 --> 00:16:30,643 Karen was my sister, and Jim was my brother-in-law. 313 00:16:30,710 --> 00:16:35,043 This is where I grew up, very rural area. 314 00:16:35,143 --> 00:16:35,220 There's very little to do in Greenfield Township. 315 00:16:35,220 --> 00:16:36,043 There's very little to do in Greenfield Township. 316 00:16:39,410 --> 00:16:43,910 So in the early '90s, I moved into Pennsylvania 317 00:16:44,010 --> 00:16:46,910 and worked for nine years, 318 00:16:46,910 --> 00:16:49,410 and then I decided 319 00:16:49,410 --> 00:16:51,943 I wanted to be back closer to my family. 320 00:16:54,043 --> 00:16:57,343 As soon as I mentioned moving back to Ohio, 321 00:16:57,410 --> 00:17:00,543 Karen purchased a home for me 322 00:17:00,610 --> 00:17:02,710 and my family and said, "Hey, 323 00:17:02,710 --> 00:17:05,209 you just pay me whatever you can afford." 324 00:17:05,209 --> 00:17:05,220 But something was wrong with my marriage, and it 325 00:17:05,220 --> 00:17:06,043 But something was wrong with my marriage, and it 326 00:17:08,109 --> 00:17:12,610 was time for us to go our own separate ways. 327 00:17:12,710 --> 00:17:17,610 My wife and my boys stayed in the house, and my wife, 328 00:17:17,610 --> 00:17:21,143 Deanna had to go out and clean once a week at Karen's house. 329 00:17:21,209 --> 00:17:24,043 But eventually, Karen would come to me and say, "Hey, 330 00:17:24,143 --> 00:17:25,910 "you know, I haven't seen your wife, 331 00:17:26,010 --> 00:17:27,943 "and she's not coming out to clean 332 00:17:28,043 --> 00:17:30,910 like we originally agreed to." 333 00:17:30,910 --> 00:17:35,220 I believe Deanna did resent my sister, Karen, in a lot of ways, 334 00:17:35,220 --> 00:17:35,943 I believe Deanna did resent my sister, Karen, in a lot of ways, 335 00:17:36,043 --> 00:17:39,143 because it was a lot of jealousy. 336 00:17:39,209 --> 00:17:42,610 So when I first found out about my sister 337 00:17:42,710 --> 00:17:44,843 and brother-in-law being murdered, 338 00:17:44,910 --> 00:17:47,643 I'm trying to think of who possibly could have done it, 339 00:17:47,710 --> 00:17:52,710 why, and then I started thinking about my wife. 340 00:17:52,810 --> 00:17:59,710 {\an8}♪♪ 341 00:17:59,810 --> 00:18:02,109 DET. HARGROVE: We're a small agency, 342 00:18:02,109 --> 00:18:05,220 so the entire detective bureau works the case. 343 00:18:05,220 --> 00:18:05,610 so the entire detective bureau works the case. 344 00:18:05,610 --> 00:18:06,043 {\an8}Everybody's got a little piece of the pie, uh, 345 00:18:10,309 --> 00:18:12,610 be directed off into trying to 346 00:18:12,610 --> 00:18:15,643 cover as many avenues as possible. 347 00:18:15,710 --> 00:18:19,209 So after we obtained the information on Deanna Smith, 348 00:18:19,309 --> 00:18:22,510 we decided that we needed to speak with her. 349 00:18:52,610 --> 00:19:01,209 {\an8}♪♪ 350 00:19:01,309 --> 00:19:02,410 DET. ROBBERTS: When we interviewed Deanna, 351 00:19:02,510 --> 00:19:05,043 she didn't say anything about having any 352 00:19:05,109 --> 00:19:05,220 ill will against either one of Karen 353 00:19:05,220 --> 00:19:06,043 ill will against either one of Karen 354 00:19:07,510 --> 00:19:10,343 {\an8}or Jim Divelbliss -- raising the rent 355 00:19:10,410 --> 00:19:14,810 {\an8}and, um, losing employment very well 356 00:19:14,910 --> 00:19:16,510 could have made Deanna upset with her. 357 00:19:16,610 --> 00:19:17,710 She was cleaning. 358 00:19:17,810 --> 00:19:19,343 She had connection with the home, 359 00:19:19,410 --> 00:19:21,243 had connection with Karen and Jim Divelbliss. 360 00:19:23,710 --> 00:19:27,209 So Deanna was someone for us to keep looking at. 361 00:19:30,743 --> 00:19:32,143 LINDA: There were times in our family 362 00:19:32,209 --> 00:19:34,810 that we did have issues with Deanna. 363 00:19:34,810 --> 00:19:35,220 I thought she was very eager to strike out 364 00:19:35,220 --> 00:19:36,043 I thought she was very eager to strike out 365 00:19:37,610 --> 00:19:42,810 {\an8}at people and cause trouble, and Deanna loved jewelry. 366 00:19:42,910 --> 00:19:47,843 {\an8}Deanna loved anything that was expensive, and in 367 00:19:47,910 --> 00:19:51,209 my opinion, was jealous of what Karen had. 368 00:19:53,810 --> 00:19:56,410 REPORTER: Fairfield County investigators spent a second day 369 00:19:56,410 --> 00:19:58,943 processing this crime scene so they can tell 370 00:19:59,043 --> 00:20:02,610 a grieving family who killed Jim and Karen Divelbliss 371 00:20:02,710 --> 00:20:04,209 and why? 372 00:20:04,309 --> 00:20:05,220 When it had hit the news that evening, 373 00:20:05,220 --> 00:20:06,043 When it had hit the news that evening, 374 00:20:08,143 --> 00:20:11,443 {\an8}it's a small town and a lot of people, you know, in the town 375 00:20:11,510 --> 00:20:13,843 {\an8}discussed it and had their opinions 376 00:20:13,910 --> 00:20:15,810 of what went on and different things like that. 377 00:20:17,109 --> 00:20:20,010 It can drastically affect the investigation on the case, 378 00:20:20,010 --> 00:20:22,943 um, depending on what kind of leads you get, 379 00:20:23,043 --> 00:20:25,209 different leads from the public and everything, 380 00:20:25,209 --> 00:20:27,910 and we still have to check into them and see what goes on. 381 00:20:27,910 --> 00:20:30,610 And some of it can be misleading and stuff like that. 382 00:20:30,610 --> 00:20:33,309 Some of it's very time consuming, too. 383 00:20:33,309 --> 00:20:35,220 At this point, we did have a large amount of jewelry that 384 00:20:35,220 --> 00:20:36,043 At this point, we did have a large amount of jewelry that 385 00:20:36,309 --> 00:20:38,143 we believe was missing from the home, 386 00:20:38,209 --> 00:20:40,610 and that is our strongest lead that we have. 387 00:20:42,109 --> 00:20:43,610 [crow cawing] 388 00:20:43,610 --> 00:20:52,543 {\an8}♪♪ 389 00:20:52,610 --> 00:20:55,910 Even though we didn't have a clear idea of what may have 390 00:20:55,910 --> 00:20:58,443 been stolen from the Divelbliss home, 391 00:20:58,510 --> 00:21:01,143 we began checking local pawn shop tickets. 392 00:21:02,510 --> 00:21:05,220 At that point in time, we located some expensive 393 00:21:05,220 --> 00:21:06,043 At that point in time, we located some expensive 394 00:21:06,109 --> 00:21:07,810 jewelry at A & A Pawn Shop 395 00:21:07,910 --> 00:21:10,410 that might have belonged to Karen Divelbliss. 396 00:21:11,810 --> 00:21:14,510 The question was, who pawned it? 397 00:21:23,510 --> 00:21:25,043 [dog barking] 398 00:21:29,510 --> 00:21:32,309 JODI: This is where we all come to relax. 399 00:21:32,309 --> 00:21:34,910 Kids like to have friends over. 400 00:21:36,910 --> 00:21:38,643 We hunt for mushrooms back there. 401 00:21:38,710 --> 00:21:43,410 Kids ride their quads, shoot paintball guns, 402 00:21:43,510 --> 00:21:44,643 stuff like that. 403 00:21:47,610 --> 00:21:48,486 After Karen and Jim passed away, Jeremy and I ran 404 00:21:48,486 --> 00:21:49,043 After Karen and Jim passed away, Jeremy and I ran 405 00:21:52,410 --> 00:21:54,243 D & D Sales, 406 00:21:54,309 --> 00:21:57,309 {\an8}and I know Jeremy felt the pressure. 407 00:21:58,309 --> 00:22:02,043 {\an8}You could just tell, I mean, you could see it in his face, 408 00:22:03,043 --> 00:22:06,643 how skinny he got, and just... 409 00:22:06,710 --> 00:22:08,443 It changed Jeremy. 410 00:22:09,910 --> 00:22:11,910 He was a totally different person, 411 00:22:13,043 --> 00:22:17,010 because he didn't have enough people believe in him. 412 00:22:17,010 --> 00:22:18,486 I can't imagine how that would feel. 413 00:22:18,486 --> 00:22:19,043 I can't imagine how that would feel. 414 00:22:20,010 --> 00:22:22,943 It broke him. He was never the same. 415 00:22:24,943 --> 00:22:29,810 Jeremy's not here today because he overdosed 416 00:22:29,810 --> 00:22:31,343 and passed away. 417 00:22:34,510 --> 00:22:36,043 He felt like some of the family 418 00:22:36,109 --> 00:22:38,610 thought that he was still guilty, 419 00:22:38,610 --> 00:22:41,309 and that hurt him more than anything, 420 00:22:41,410 --> 00:22:43,710 because family is supposed to be there for you. 421 00:22:48,243 --> 00:22:48,486 {\an8}♪♪ 422 00:22:48,486 --> 00:22:49,043 {\an8}♪♪ 423 00:22:53,309 --> 00:22:58,343 {\an8}♪♪ 424 00:22:58,410 --> 00:23:01,510 {\an8}Scott Jones and Andy Robberts were the mouthpieces. 425 00:23:01,610 --> 00:23:03,510 {\an8}They did a lot of the interviews, 426 00:23:03,610 --> 00:23:06,109 and I was more of a -- 427 00:23:06,109 --> 00:23:08,510 uh, an evidence type kind of guy. 428 00:23:08,610 --> 00:23:12,309 I would work the crime scenes and let them do all the talking. 429 00:23:12,309 --> 00:23:17,510 {\an8}♪♪ 430 00:23:17,510 --> 00:23:18,486 We had learned from Karen's brother, Edgar, 431 00:23:18,486 --> 00:23:19,043 We had learned from Karen's brother, Edgar, 432 00:23:20,209 --> 00:23:24,910 that the Divelblisses had a number of rental properties in 433 00:23:25,010 --> 00:23:26,143 the city of Lancaster. 434 00:23:26,209 --> 00:23:30,643 We also began digging into their financial records 435 00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:33,043 to see if any checks, 436 00:23:33,109 --> 00:23:37,810 credit cards, et cetera, had been used after their deaths. 437 00:23:49,810 --> 00:23:53,610 We had a lead that someone may have pawned some 438 00:23:53,610 --> 00:23:56,010 of Karen's jewelry at A & A Pawn Shop. 439 00:23:56,010 --> 00:23:57,710 David! 440 00:23:57,810 --> 00:24:00,209 It's been a long time, hasn't it? 441 00:24:00,309 --> 00:24:02,309 Been a lot of years, young man. 442 00:24:02,309 --> 00:24:03,443 DAVID: I know it. 443 00:24:03,510 --> 00:24:05,643 I've had doctors, I've had lawyers in here. 444 00:24:05,710 --> 00:24:07,343 I've had real estate people in here. 445 00:24:07,410 --> 00:24:09,143 Every class of person in here, 446 00:24:09,209 --> 00:24:10,943 selling jewelry and pawning jewelry. 447 00:24:11,043 --> 00:24:12,810 {\an8}Everybody hits a rough patch every now 448 00:24:12,910 --> 00:24:15,410 {\an8}and then, I don't care who you are. 449 00:24:15,410 --> 00:24:16,910 Everybody needs short-term money. 450 00:24:21,643 --> 00:24:24,209 A lady came in, said she wanted to sell some jewelry. 451 00:24:24,309 --> 00:24:27,043 That's when I took a look at it. 452 00:24:27,109 --> 00:24:28,810 I evaluate the clarity of the diamonds 453 00:24:28,910 --> 00:24:30,309 and see how good the diamonds were. 454 00:24:31,443 --> 00:24:34,209 I could tell it was high-end jewelry, and, uh, 455 00:24:34,309 --> 00:24:36,710 we made an offer on it, and she took it. 456 00:24:39,309 --> 00:24:41,910 DET. HARGROVE: While checking pawn tickets, 457 00:24:41,910 --> 00:24:45,810 I came across a pawn ticket in the name of Deanna Smith 458 00:24:47,410 --> 00:24:48,486 and discovered that Deanna Smith had, in fact, 459 00:24:48,486 --> 00:24:49,043 and discovered that Deanna Smith had, in fact, 460 00:24:50,910 --> 00:24:53,710 pawned some jewelry on March 11th. 461 00:24:53,710 --> 00:24:56,910 Her sister-in-law was found dead on the 13th. 462 00:24:57,010 --> 00:25:02,209 We had heard that Deanna Smith was known to have 463 00:25:02,209 --> 00:25:04,910 disagreements with Karen Divelbliss 464 00:25:04,910 --> 00:25:08,143 and was divorcing Karen's brother, Edgar. 465 00:25:10,343 --> 00:25:13,410 We decided to execute a search warrant and seize that jewelry. 466 00:25:17,943 --> 00:25:18,486 [rooster crows] 467 00:25:18,486 --> 00:25:19,043 [rooster crows] 468 00:25:20,810 --> 00:25:22,043 Lucy! 469 00:25:22,143 --> 00:25:27,043 These are our babies right here, and we have one 470 00:25:27,143 --> 00:25:30,309 that has some deformed legs, and that is this one 471 00:25:30,410 --> 00:25:32,610 right here, Pez. 472 00:25:32,710 --> 00:25:35,043 They've been laying right inside the door there. 473 00:25:35,143 --> 00:25:37,410 I'll go look and see if we have any eggs. 474 00:25:37,510 --> 00:25:39,209 Hi, guys! 475 00:25:39,309 --> 00:25:41,410 Oh, somebody's laying right now. 476 00:25:43,410 --> 00:25:45,743 Karen was a very good businesswoman. 477 00:25:45,810 --> 00:25:47,309 She knew her stuff. 478 00:25:48,410 --> 00:25:48,486 {\an8}Karen was out front, kind of like the front person, 479 00:25:48,486 --> 00:25:49,043 {\an8}Karen was out front, kind of like the front person, 480 00:25:51,410 --> 00:25:52,610 {\an8}became the front person, 481 00:25:52,610 --> 00:25:56,010 and Jim kind of stepped back and kept his role as, 482 00:25:56,010 --> 00:25:58,043 I'm going to the auctions. 483 00:25:59,643 --> 00:26:03,309 She could tell if somebody could afford something 484 00:26:03,309 --> 00:26:05,943 or if they needed a little more time. 485 00:26:06,043 --> 00:26:08,143 She was so good to people. 486 00:26:09,309 --> 00:26:11,109 And that's why their business grew. 487 00:26:11,109 --> 00:26:12,309 That's why everybody loved them. 488 00:26:12,309 --> 00:26:18,486 {\an8}♪♪ 489 00:26:18,486 --> 00:26:19,043 {\an8}♪♪ 490 00:26:20,010 --> 00:26:25,510 EDGAR: Karen has given plenty of gifts to Deanna. 491 00:26:25,510 --> 00:26:28,710 Karen would have given her jewelry. 492 00:26:28,710 --> 00:26:30,610 That's just who Karen was. 493 00:26:30,610 --> 00:26:33,843 {\an8}She gave things to people just 494 00:26:33,910 --> 00:26:36,910 {\an8}out of the goodness of her heart. 495 00:26:36,910 --> 00:26:40,510 I couldn't believe that Deanna could hurt anyone. 496 00:26:40,610 --> 00:26:44,643 I mean, she might mentally hurt somebody, hurt their heart 497 00:26:44,710 --> 00:26:45,810 and things of that nature, 498 00:26:45,810 --> 00:26:48,486 but to actually harm somebody or kill somebody, 499 00:26:48,486 --> 00:26:48,543 but to actually harm somebody or kill somebody, 500 00:26:48,610 --> 00:26:49,043 I truly, in my heart, didn't think Deanna had 501 00:26:50,810 --> 00:26:51,943 that capability. 502 00:26:52,043 --> 00:26:58,209 {\an8}♪♪ 503 00:26:58,309 --> 00:27:04,610 {\an8}♪♪ 504 00:27:04,610 --> 00:27:07,309 DET. HARGROVE: Once we had the jewelry in our possession, 505 00:27:07,309 --> 00:27:09,610 an employee of Duncan's diamonds and gold 506 00:27:09,610 --> 00:27:12,510 that dealt with Miss Divelbliss on a regular basis 507 00:27:12,610 --> 00:27:15,943 came into the detective bureau and viewed those items. 508 00:27:16,943 --> 00:27:18,486 Through her, we were able to eliminate 509 00:27:18,486 --> 00:27:19,043 Through her, we were able to eliminate 510 00:27:19,810 --> 00:27:23,410 that as the jewelry that Deanna Smith had 511 00:27:23,510 --> 00:27:26,710 pawned as being anything that had been removed from 512 00:27:26,710 --> 00:27:28,043 the Divelbliss home. 513 00:27:29,309 --> 00:27:32,143 EDGAR: I don't know what she would have pawned, 514 00:27:32,209 --> 00:27:34,810 but I knew that Deanna was trying 515 00:27:34,810 --> 00:27:38,243 to do anything to get a little income. 516 00:27:38,309 --> 00:27:40,910 You know, maybe our wedding set that, you know, 517 00:27:41,010 --> 00:27:44,643 she was pawning to get money or even a diamond 518 00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:46,710 tennis bracelet. 519 00:27:46,710 --> 00:27:48,486 We had to move on from Deanna Smith 520 00:27:48,486 --> 00:27:48,910 We had to move on from Deanna Smith 521 00:27:48,910 --> 00:27:49,043 and look at other possible suspects. 522 00:27:51,043 --> 00:27:56,309 {\an8}♪♪ 523 00:27:56,309 --> 00:28:01,643 {\an8}♪♪ 524 00:28:01,710 --> 00:28:03,743 DET. ROBBERTS: When a murder investigation comes in, 525 00:28:03,810 --> 00:28:07,410 you go until you run out of leads. 526 00:28:07,410 --> 00:28:09,209 Then you go home and get some sleep. 527 00:28:09,309 --> 00:28:11,810 {\an8}Hopefully, by the time you get back to the office, 528 00:28:11,810 --> 00:28:14,109 {\an8}you get a lead. 529 00:28:14,109 --> 00:28:16,410 I don't think you want to trust any lead that comes in. 530 00:28:16,510 --> 00:28:18,143 But you follow up on that lead to 531 00:28:18,209 --> 00:28:18,486 make sure that it's going to head that direction. 532 00:28:18,486 --> 00:28:19,043 make sure that it's going to head that direction. 533 00:28:21,143 --> 00:28:23,443 You want to get in there and find out 534 00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:26,209 if that is the information and if it's right. 535 00:28:26,209 --> 00:28:32,710 {\an8}♪♪ 536 00:28:32,810 --> 00:28:39,243 {\an8}♪♪ 537 00:28:39,309 --> 00:28:41,143 DET. HARGROVE: As the investigation progressed, 538 00:28:41,209 --> 00:28:45,743 we were, on a daily basis, trying to sort out tips, 539 00:28:45,810 --> 00:28:47,743 and somebody came forward to us 540 00:28:47,810 --> 00:28:48,486 because he felt he had some important information related 541 00:28:48,486 --> 00:28:49,043 because he felt he had some important information related 542 00:28:52,109 --> 00:28:54,943 to the Divelbliss double homicide. 543 00:28:55,043 --> 00:28:56,309 It was a case breaker. 544 00:29:08,143 --> 00:29:12,710 DET. ROBBERTS: We received a tip from someone by the name of 545 00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:14,543 Tony Littrell, 546 00:29:14,610 --> 00:29:19,443 and we found out that Tony's father did electrical work 547 00:29:19,510 --> 00:29:21,243 {\an8}at the rental properties 548 00:29:21,309 --> 00:29:24,810 {\an8}and would have Tony go out and do odd jobs 549 00:29:24,810 --> 00:29:28,143 on rental properties in the Divelbliss residence. 550 00:29:29,243 --> 00:29:31,010 DET. JONES: Tony Littrell had a record. 551 00:29:31,010 --> 00:29:32,843 He did a lot of burglaries and stuff. 552 00:29:32,910 --> 00:29:35,043 He wasn't good at it, but he did a lot of burglaries. 553 00:29:36,209 --> 00:29:37,910 A lot of times when you get stuff like that 554 00:29:37,910 --> 00:29:40,143 and somebody's coming forward, there's usually motive why -- 555 00:29:40,209 --> 00:29:41,943 {\an8}they want to cut themselves a deal. 556 00:29:42,043 --> 00:29:44,243 {\an8}They want to strike a deal with the prosecutor's office. 557 00:29:44,309 --> 00:29:46,610 They, you know, they don't want to go to prison for it. 558 00:29:46,710 --> 00:29:49,410 They may not have had as big of a role as somebody else 559 00:29:49,510 --> 00:29:51,610 in it, so you have to see 560 00:29:51,710 --> 00:29:54,743 if you can put some facts to his story. 561 00:29:54,810 --> 00:29:56,510 We went back to the detective bureau, 562 00:29:56,610 --> 00:29:58,362 and we brought Tony Littrell in for an interview. 563 00:29:58,362 --> 00:29:59,043 and we brought Tony Littrell in for an interview. 564 00:29:59,810 --> 00:30:02,209 He told me about a party where 565 00:30:02,309 --> 00:30:05,143 they were all using narcotics and drinking. 566 00:30:05,209 --> 00:30:07,943 There was a group of people at this party 567 00:30:08,043 --> 00:30:11,710 that, uh, were discussing the Divelblisses. 568 00:30:23,910 --> 00:30:25,510 {\an8}[detective speaking] 569 00:30:25,610 --> 00:30:27,643 {\an8}[Tony speaking] 570 00:30:33,343 --> 00:30:36,143 {\an8}[detective speaking] 571 00:30:36,209 --> 00:30:39,710 {\an8}[Tony speaking] 572 00:30:43,209 --> 00:30:47,043 {\an8}[detective speaking] 573 00:30:47,143 --> 00:30:48,143 {\an8}[Tony speaking] 574 00:30:50,810 --> 00:30:53,309 {\an8}[detective speaking] 575 00:30:53,410 --> 00:30:56,309 {\an8}[Tony speaking] 576 00:31:08,143 --> 00:31:09,610 When I was doing the interview with Tony, 577 00:31:09,610 --> 00:31:13,010 he seemed as if he was upset that the Divelbliss 578 00:31:13,010 --> 00:31:14,510 murder even took place. 579 00:31:14,610 --> 00:31:17,510 {\an8}[detective speaking] 580 00:31:17,610 --> 00:31:21,343 {\an8}[Tony speaking] 581 00:31:30,309 --> 00:31:32,710 After we spoke to Tony Littrell, 582 00:31:32,710 --> 00:31:34,910 Tony Littrell voluntarily took a polygraph 583 00:31:34,910 --> 00:31:36,410 at PCI&I 584 00:31:36,410 --> 00:31:38,143 and ultimately passed the polygraph. 585 00:31:38,209 --> 00:31:41,309 So we were 100 percent sure that Tony Littrell has 586 00:31:41,309 --> 00:31:43,910 nothing to do with either Jim or Karen's death. 587 00:31:45,410 --> 00:31:48,343 TONY: I had nothing to do with that crime at all. 588 00:31:49,943 --> 00:31:52,343 {\an8}Never in my life have I ever stole anything from 589 00:31:52,410 --> 00:31:54,143 {\an8}the Divelblisses, never. 590 00:31:55,209 --> 00:31:56,543 And never would I, I mean, 591 00:31:56,610 --> 00:31:57,610 They would give you anything you wanted. 592 00:31:57,710 --> 00:31:58,362 I mean, there was no point to 593 00:31:58,362 --> 00:31:58,610 I mean, there was no point to 594 00:31:58,610 --> 00:31:59,043 ever stealing from Karen and Jim. 595 00:32:01,010 --> 00:32:03,710 DET. JONES: So, at this point in this case, we wanted 596 00:32:03,810 --> 00:32:05,810 to look into Eric Hockman and Heidi Kidwell. 597 00:32:05,910 --> 00:32:13,943 {\an8}♪♪ 598 00:32:14,043 --> 00:32:16,343 JODI: Eric Hockman did side work for Karen and Jim. 599 00:32:16,410 --> 00:32:18,309 {\an8}He was somebody that needed money, and Karen 600 00:32:18,309 --> 00:32:20,743 {\an8}always and Jim always had extra stuff to do, 601 00:32:20,810 --> 00:32:24,010 {\an8}um, and that didn't have the time to do it theirself. 602 00:32:24,010 --> 00:32:26,209 They were busy people. 603 00:32:26,209 --> 00:32:28,362 Eric Hockman painted the D&D Sales sign 604 00:32:28,362 --> 00:32:29,043 Eric Hockman painted the D&D Sales sign 605 00:32:30,043 --> 00:32:32,910 for Karen that year -- later, 606 00:32:32,910 --> 00:32:36,143 Eric went up to Karen, told 'em that he needed money, 607 00:32:36,209 --> 00:32:39,343 and Karen says, "No, you owe me from work before. 608 00:32:39,410 --> 00:32:40,810 You ain't getting no money." 609 00:32:40,910 --> 00:32:44,209 So she ended up giving him another job 610 00:32:44,309 --> 00:32:46,643 for him to finish that. 611 00:32:46,710 --> 00:32:48,510 And the job was taking care of 612 00:32:48,610 --> 00:32:51,309 a wet spot we had in our mud room. 613 00:32:51,410 --> 00:32:54,810 But I couldn't imagine Eric Hockman being a killer. 614 00:32:54,910 --> 00:32:58,362 He seemed so normal, and so did his wife, Heidi Kidwell. 615 00:32:58,362 --> 00:32:58,443 He seemed so normal, and so did his wife, Heidi Kidwell. 616 00:32:58,510 --> 00:32:59,043 {\an8}♪♪ 617 00:33:04,109 --> 00:33:10,010 {\an8}♪♪ 618 00:33:10,010 --> 00:33:12,043 PATRICK: I worked at a local moving and rental 619 00:33:12,109 --> 00:33:13,710 storage facility company. 620 00:33:14,943 --> 00:33:17,043 It is a regular day, like any other. 621 00:33:17,109 --> 00:33:20,610 {\an8}I arrive at work, pull into my parking lot, and see 622 00:33:20,610 --> 00:33:23,643 {\an8}a couple waiting at the door about a half hour 623 00:33:23,710 --> 00:33:25,243 before opening. 624 00:33:25,309 --> 00:33:27,209 The female looked a lot younger than the male. 625 00:33:27,309 --> 00:33:28,362 She was scared. 626 00:33:28,362 --> 00:33:28,510 She was scared. 627 00:33:28,610 --> 00:33:29,043 She looked like she was well kept 628 00:33:30,109 --> 00:33:32,010 and everything, looked very tired. 629 00:33:32,010 --> 00:33:35,043 Saggy-eyed, maybe hung over. 630 00:33:35,109 --> 00:33:36,943 The male was rough, looked like he'd 631 00:33:37,043 --> 00:33:38,410 been rode hard and put away wet. 632 00:33:38,510 --> 00:33:40,443 He was very, very scraggly. 633 00:33:41,710 --> 00:33:42,943 They were very polite. 634 00:33:43,043 --> 00:33:45,109 They asked if I'll open early. 635 00:33:45,109 --> 00:33:48,309 They are nervous and asked if they could get a truck to 636 00:33:48,309 --> 00:33:51,743 move from our location in Lancaster to a part of 637 00:33:51,810 --> 00:33:53,710 southern Florida, which was strange. 638 00:33:54,743 --> 00:33:56,943 When I tell them the price, they ask if they can pay cash 639 00:33:57,043 --> 00:33:58,362 and then instead of having a purse, 640 00:33:58,362 --> 00:33:59,043 and then instead of having a purse, 641 00:33:59,610 --> 00:34:02,910 she pulls out a large grocery-looking sack with 642 00:34:02,910 --> 00:34:05,010 miscellaneous bills, 643 00:34:06,410 --> 00:34:07,810 as much cash as I've ever seen 644 00:34:07,810 --> 00:34:10,343 when I'm working in that type of business. 645 00:34:10,410 --> 00:34:11,843 It was over $3,000. 646 00:34:12,910 --> 00:34:15,143 Gave him the keys, and off the -- off the parking lot 647 00:34:15,209 --> 00:34:16,543 they went. 648 00:34:16,610 --> 00:34:18,543 After collecting money, counting it, 649 00:34:18,610 --> 00:34:19,710 and looking it over, 650 00:34:19,710 --> 00:34:21,943 I noticed there were stains on it. 651 00:34:22,043 --> 00:34:25,043 You could definitely tell they were stains of blood. 652 00:34:25,109 --> 00:34:27,043 I immediately called the police station. 653 00:34:34,543 --> 00:34:36,710 DET. ROBBERTS: The moving company gave us the names 654 00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:39,309 of the two individuals that rented the truck, 655 00:34:39,309 --> 00:34:41,243 Eric Hockman and Heidi Kidwell. 656 00:34:42,943 --> 00:34:44,843 The moving company also gave us 657 00:34:44,910 --> 00:34:47,309 a location where the truck was heading to. 658 00:34:47,410 --> 00:34:51,043 So me and Scott Jones, we started setting 659 00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:52,643 everything up for us to go 660 00:34:52,710 --> 00:34:55,943 to Key Largo, Florida -- with them taking off, 661 00:34:56,043 --> 00:34:58,362 it definitely appears like they're running from something. 662 00:34:58,362 --> 00:34:58,510 it definitely appears like they're running from something. 663 00:35:12,010 --> 00:35:14,810 When we were meeting with the manager of the moving 664 00:35:14,910 --> 00:35:16,810 company up here, he'd given us 665 00:35:16,910 --> 00:35:18,910 the information Eric Hockman and his girlfriend, 666 00:35:18,910 --> 00:35:21,143 Heidi Kidwell, rented the truck -- would say it was 667 00:35:21,209 --> 00:35:26,710 probably 2 to 3 days after the crime scene was discovered, 668 00:35:26,810 --> 00:35:31,343 and probably three days after they rented the truck was when 669 00:35:31,410 --> 00:35:32,226 they turned it in down in Key Largo, and we were -- 670 00:35:32,226 --> 00:35:33,043 they turned it in down in Key Largo, and we were -- 671 00:35:36,010 --> 00:35:38,610 we were kind of hot on their trail going down there. 672 00:35:41,610 --> 00:35:44,109 After we received the search warrant from the judge, 673 00:35:44,109 --> 00:35:46,410 Jones and two or three of them 674 00:35:46,410 --> 00:35:48,143 went to the back to watch the back door. 675 00:35:48,209 --> 00:35:50,810 We approached from the front, announced, 676 00:35:50,810 --> 00:35:51,943 you know, sheriff's office. 677 00:35:52,043 --> 00:35:54,810 He opened the door up. 678 00:35:54,910 --> 00:35:56,410 In we went. 679 00:35:56,510 --> 00:35:58,309 Jones headed back to the bedroom. 680 00:35:58,410 --> 00:36:00,510 That's where we started searching. 681 00:36:00,510 --> 00:36:02,226 There was a safe that was located, coins, 682 00:36:02,226 --> 00:36:03,043 There was a safe that was located, coins, 683 00:36:03,510 --> 00:36:06,910 money was in that, 40,000 in the floorboard, 684 00:36:06,910 --> 00:36:08,209 and there was jewelry. 685 00:36:10,510 --> 00:36:12,043 DET. JONES: The jewelry that we recovered down 686 00:36:12,143 --> 00:36:14,343 in Florida at Eric and Heidi's place, 687 00:36:14,410 --> 00:36:16,610 we were pretty sure that that was stuff that belonged 688 00:36:16,610 --> 00:36:19,610 to Jim and Karen, and we knew that she had 689 00:36:19,610 --> 00:36:22,710 an individual jeweler back home that she bought 690 00:36:22,710 --> 00:36:25,209 all her jewelry from, and we were hoping that 691 00:36:25,309 --> 00:36:27,443 they would be able to identify some of that jewelry. 692 00:36:28,843 --> 00:36:31,443 IRENE: I met them at the detective bureau. 693 00:36:31,510 --> 00:36:32,226 I brought a diamond tester, a loupe, to verify that 694 00:36:32,226 --> 00:36:33,043 I brought a diamond tester, a loupe, to verify that 695 00:36:35,410 --> 00:36:37,910 what I was looking at was Karen's jewelry. 696 00:36:38,010 --> 00:36:40,309 When I louped Karen's diamond, 697 00:36:40,443 --> 00:36:45,410 I knew immediately that it was hers because of the markings, 698 00:36:45,410 --> 00:36:48,643 but when I saw Karen's blood on the diamond, 699 00:36:48,710 --> 00:36:50,910 my lungs just went empty. 700 00:36:51,010 --> 00:36:53,610 I just didn't have any air when I saw that. 701 00:36:56,243 --> 00:36:59,343 DET. ROBBERTS: Eric Hockman and Heidi Kidwell were arrested. 702 00:36:59,410 --> 00:37:01,843 Heidi was ready to tell us the truth. 703 00:37:01,910 --> 00:37:02,226 She stated that they knew that the Divelblisses had 704 00:37:02,226 --> 00:37:03,043 She stated that they knew that the Divelblisses had 705 00:37:06,109 --> 00:37:08,910 quite a bit of money in the residence, 706 00:37:08,910 --> 00:37:12,810 and Jim carried a lot of money on his person. 707 00:37:12,810 --> 00:37:16,109 They knew the jewelry was there, 708 00:37:16,109 --> 00:37:17,943 and that's why they went to the residence. 709 00:37:18,043 --> 00:37:21,143 They went to do a burglary, and they had to do 710 00:37:21,209 --> 00:37:22,743 it when they were there, because they had 711 00:37:22,810 --> 00:37:24,243 an alarm system. 712 00:37:24,309 --> 00:37:28,109 Heidi says that her and Eric got out, 713 00:37:28,109 --> 00:37:31,043 walked up to 'em, and Eric explained to them 714 00:37:31,109 --> 00:37:32,226 that he wanted to talk to 'em. 715 00:37:32,226 --> 00:37:32,510 that he wanted to talk to 'em. 716 00:37:45,309 --> 00:37:49,043 {\an8}[Eric speaking] 717 00:37:49,109 --> 00:37:51,043 {\an8}[detective speaking] 718 00:37:51,143 --> 00:37:52,743 {\an8}[Eric speaking] 719 00:37:54,343 --> 00:37:56,209 {\an8}[detective speaking] 720 00:37:56,309 --> 00:37:57,309 {\an8}[Eric speaking] 721 00:37:57,410 --> 00:37:58,910 {\an8}[detective speaking] 722 00:37:58,910 --> 00:38:01,810 {\an8}[Eric speaking] 723 00:38:13,710 --> 00:38:16,810 {\an8}[detective speaking] 724 00:38:22,843 --> 00:38:24,443 {\an8}[Eric speaking] 725 00:38:28,309 --> 00:38:31,209 Heidi said Jim had to open the safe. 726 00:38:32,410 --> 00:38:33,043 So Eric took Jim down to the safe in the basement, 727 00:38:37,309 --> 00:38:41,010 got the safe open, and that's when they were bagging up money 728 00:38:41,010 --> 00:38:43,510 or whatever, and Heidi 729 00:38:43,610 --> 00:38:45,810 says that she heard a fight or a scuffle, 730 00:38:45,810 --> 00:38:50,410 and then Eric came back without Jim. 731 00:38:53,043 --> 00:38:55,209 {\an8}[Eric speaking] 732 00:39:18,410 --> 00:39:23,309 {\an8}[detective speaking] 733 00:39:23,309 --> 00:39:25,343 {\an8}[Eric speaking] 734 00:39:26,610 --> 00:39:29,109 The only motive that I could come up with was 735 00:39:29,109 --> 00:39:31,043 greed, jealousy. 736 00:39:31,109 --> 00:39:32,226 They wanted what Karen and Jim had and, you know, they decided 737 00:39:32,226 --> 00:39:33,043 They wanted what Karen and Jim had and, you know, they decided 738 00:39:36,843 --> 00:39:39,209 one night that they were gonna go take it. 739 00:39:39,309 --> 00:39:44,209 {\an8}♪♪ 740 00:39:44,309 --> 00:39:52,743 {\an8}♪♪ 741 00:39:52,810 --> 00:39:54,410 PATRICK: I feel personally for the people, 742 00:39:54,510 --> 00:39:56,143 the family and stuff that it happened to. 743 00:39:57,209 --> 00:39:59,109 I don't think you walk into evil people every day. 744 00:39:59,109 --> 00:40:00,309 It was a chance happening. 745 00:40:00,410 --> 00:40:02,226 I'm glad that they got caught and they got punished. 746 00:40:02,226 --> 00:40:03,043 I'm glad that they got caught and they got punished. 747 00:40:04,510 --> 00:40:06,710 I'm glad I was able to help the way I could. 748 00:40:10,243 --> 00:40:14,410 JODI: When I found out Heidi Kidwell was getting out 749 00:40:14,510 --> 00:40:18,109 14 years, not 15, she didn't do her 15. 750 00:40:19,243 --> 00:40:23,243 I was so angry. It wasn't fair. 751 00:40:23,309 --> 00:40:25,743 She got to go home to her kids. 752 00:40:25,810 --> 00:40:28,443 She got to go home to her mom. 753 00:40:28,510 --> 00:40:29,543 It wasn't right. 754 00:40:30,643 --> 00:40:32,226 Eric Hockman 755 00:40:32,226 --> 00:40:32,910 Eric Hockman 756 00:40:32,910 --> 00:40:33,043 is not here no more, because he hung himself in jail. 757 00:40:39,943 --> 00:40:41,843 I thought 758 00:40:41,910 --> 00:40:44,843 that Eric got off easy. 759 00:40:46,209 --> 00:40:48,710 But, in the end, God took care of it. 760 00:40:53,010 --> 00:40:55,643 Karen got her first granddaughter, 761 00:40:56,810 --> 00:40:58,943 and she wanted to do everything with 'em. 762 00:41:00,309 --> 00:41:02,226 I wish they would have gotten to know Karen and Jim 763 00:41:02,226 --> 00:41:03,043 I wish they would have gotten to know Karen and Jim 764 00:41:03,109 --> 00:41:05,243 like I got to know 'em. 765 00:41:05,309 --> 00:41:09,143 I think about 'em often -- I'll miss 'em so much. 766 00:41:10,710 --> 00:41:15,543 EDGAR: Karen was always there to take care of me and my family. 767 00:41:15,610 --> 00:41:20,910 She was definitely my big sister -- she looked out for us, 768 00:41:20,910 --> 00:41:24,209 and, uh, she was my protection. 769 00:41:25,910 --> 00:41:26,810 For sure. 770 00:41:30,810 --> 00:41:32,226 I'm sorry. I miss her. 771 00:41:32,226 --> 00:41:33,043 I'm sorry. I miss her. 772 00:41:40,043 --> 00:41:42,143 {\an8}Hi, guys! 773 00:41:42,209 --> 00:41:45,443 {\an8}My sister always wore tons of rings. 774 00:41:45,510 --> 00:41:47,910 {\an8}This ring I asked for. 775 00:41:47,910 --> 00:41:50,143 {\an8}Um, she wore this a lot. 776 00:41:51,843 --> 00:41:53,743 {\an8}I wear it occasionally to make -- you know, 777 00:41:53,810 --> 00:41:55,510 {\an8}sometimes, I just need to feel close. 778 00:41:55,610 --> 00:41:58,309 {\an8}But this ring is really, really special to me, 779 00:41:58,410 --> 00:41:59,543 {\an8}really special. 780 00:41:59,610 --> 00:42:00,977 {\an8}It was made for her. 781 00:42:00,977 --> 00:42:02,226 {\an8}It was made for her finger, and now it's -- now it's for mine. 782 00:42:02,226 --> 00:42:03,043 {\an8}It was made for her finger, and now it's -- now it's for mine.