1 00:00:16,894 --> 00:00:19,644 MICHAELS: Festus is a very Christian-based community, 2 00:00:19,721 --> 00:00:20,896 a lot of churches. 3 00:00:20,972 --> 00:00:23,190 If you've run across somebody from Festus, 4 00:00:23,233 --> 00:00:25,734 they're usually gonna smile and say hello, and they're gonna 5 00:00:25,811 --> 00:00:28,195 treat you like they've known you for a while. 6 00:00:28,238 --> 00:00:29,613 VICKI: A very good place to live. 7 00:00:29,689 --> 00:00:31,907 Good schools, good families, certainly not 8 00:00:31,983 --> 00:00:34,534 a lot of murders. 9 00:00:34,578 --> 00:00:37,287 I still would never have dreamed that could have happened. 10 00:00:38,874 --> 00:00:42,292 CARDONA: This case is more complex and more twisted 11 00:00:42,294 --> 00:00:46,880 and more webs woven than I've ever seen. 12 00:00:48,675 --> 00:00:52,094 When he left home that night, he left his family. 13 00:00:53,138 --> 00:00:56,973 He thought Larry really liked her being dressed like that, 14 00:00:57,050 --> 00:00:59,017 floozy-looking. 15 00:00:59,094 --> 00:01:02,020 HUBER: From what I heard, she was messing around with 16 00:01:02,097 --> 00:01:03,146 several guys. 17 00:01:03,223 --> 00:01:05,273 She did things behind his back. 18 00:01:05,275 --> 00:01:07,567 She could have told him the world was square, 19 00:01:07,569 --> 00:01:08,777 and he'd have believed her. 20 00:01:08,854 --> 00:01:10,261 He loved her. 21 00:01:10,339 --> 00:01:13,323 VICKI: I heard rumors she did a pretty good job of 22 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,242 hooking up with other people at church. 23 00:01:15,244 --> 00:01:18,495 There was other things inside the church going on. 24 00:01:18,572 --> 00:01:21,414 The case becomes more of a soap opera. 25 00:01:21,458 --> 00:01:24,835 DUNCAN: For him to say there'll be one less place to set at 26 00:01:24,911 --> 00:01:26,044 the table tonight... 27 00:01:28,257 --> 00:01:29,756 that's just pure evil. 28 00:01:30,926 --> 00:01:33,844 [theme music playing] 29 00:01:57,035 --> 00:02:00,162 [distant church bells ringing] 30 00:02:10,215 --> 00:02:13,550 HUBER: Me and my two sisters, we were watching 31 00:02:13,627 --> 00:02:16,261 "Who Wants To Be a Millionaire," 32 00:02:16,338 --> 00:02:20,515 and I had just finished eating a bowl of ice cream, 33 00:02:20,592 --> 00:02:22,058 and I got a phone call. 34 00:02:22,135 --> 00:02:24,519 It was my brother's wife, Tammy. 35 00:02:24,596 --> 00:02:27,480 She said, "Something's going on with Larry." 36 00:02:27,482 --> 00:02:29,774 Larry wasn't home. 37 00:02:29,776 --> 00:02:32,569 I just thought sometimes he worked evenings. 38 00:02:33,864 --> 00:02:35,572 Well, he never showed up. 39 00:02:43,081 --> 00:02:45,373 McDANIEL: 2000, I was a detective assigned 40 00:02:45,450 --> 00:02:47,167 to our criminal investigation division 41 00:02:47,169 --> 00:02:50,253 for roughly about three years. 42 00:02:50,330 --> 00:02:54,925 On November 21st, I got a page, found out that there had been 43 00:02:54,927 --> 00:02:57,969 a shooting at a local business. 44 00:03:02,100 --> 00:03:05,602 Festus doesn't see that much major crime that often. 45 00:03:05,604 --> 00:03:09,439 There isn't much crimes against person as in murder. 46 00:03:09,441 --> 00:03:12,025 So as you drive to the scene, 47 00:03:12,027 --> 00:03:13,693 everything kind of goes through your head, 48 00:03:13,695 --> 00:03:18,156 uh, trying to think of, okay, I know the location, 49 00:03:18,233 --> 00:03:21,326 I know where it's at, so who could be involved? 50 00:03:21,403 --> 00:03:22,786 You know, how did this occur? 51 00:03:22,788 --> 00:03:24,913 There's so many what ifs, I mean, 52 00:03:24,915 --> 00:03:27,332 you can what if yourself to death all the way to it 53 00:03:27,334 --> 00:03:28,833 trying to figure it out, 54 00:03:28,835 --> 00:03:30,293 you know, all deaths are 55 00:03:30,370 --> 00:03:34,339 considered suspicious until you prove otherwise. 56 00:03:37,344 --> 00:03:38,835 MICHAELS: Detective McDaniel and myself, 57 00:03:38,911 --> 00:03:41,513 we arrived at the scene, which was LaRoche Industries. 58 00:03:41,589 --> 00:03:43,974 It's a chemical company, and it's 59 00:03:43,976 --> 00:03:47,602 got a large area that's undeveloped. 60 00:03:48,855 --> 00:03:53,024 McDANIEL: After we got the page to come down to, uh, the scene, 61 00:03:53,026 --> 00:03:55,735 this would be the entrance to LaRoche properties, 62 00:03:55,779 --> 00:03:58,613 leading up to where the plant is. 63 00:03:58,615 --> 00:04:00,699 I actually drove down this road. 64 00:04:00,775 --> 00:04:03,576 Further inside the property, 65 00:04:03,620 --> 00:04:06,079 past the factories, 66 00:04:06,081 --> 00:04:08,123 there was a dirt trail. 67 00:04:08,199 --> 00:04:10,709 It led out towards the field, 68 00:04:10,711 --> 00:04:15,005 and that's where the car was located. 69 00:04:15,081 --> 00:04:18,675 The brake lights were actually on on the car, 70 00:04:18,677 --> 00:04:20,969 but there was no headlights on the car. 71 00:04:20,971 --> 00:04:24,222 The car was actually in drive 72 00:04:24,224 --> 00:04:27,267 with the deceased inside the car. 73 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:32,814 His foot was still on the brake of the car. 74 00:04:32,891 --> 00:04:37,193 The passenger rear window had been shattered out. 75 00:04:37,270 --> 00:04:38,945 Looking in at the subject, 76 00:04:38,989 --> 00:04:42,032 he was sitting behind the driver's wheel. 77 00:04:42,034 --> 00:04:44,993 Uh, he was slumped forward. 78 00:04:46,079 --> 00:04:49,873 You could see blood coming from the back portion of 79 00:04:49,949 --> 00:04:51,333 his head. 80 00:04:51,335 --> 00:04:53,001 At that time, 81 00:04:53,078 --> 00:04:56,046 it was said that his name was Larry Holman. 82 00:04:58,300 --> 00:04:59,732 I knew of Larry. 83 00:04:59,734 --> 00:05:02,135 Larry knew of me, because I actually worked with him 84 00:05:02,137 --> 00:05:04,637 in a previous employment before I became 85 00:05:04,639 --> 00:05:07,223 a law enforcement officer. 86 00:05:07,258 --> 00:05:11,770 This was going to be one of those cases that was personal. 87 00:05:16,234 --> 00:05:18,693 When I got home, I looked at the caller ID, 88 00:05:18,695 --> 00:05:21,112 and I saw that there was a gentleman that 89 00:05:21,189 --> 00:05:23,615 worked with Larry had called, and I thought, 90 00:05:23,617 --> 00:05:26,701 I wonder why he was calling me. 91 00:05:26,778 --> 00:05:29,454 So I just hit the redial button. 92 00:05:29,531 --> 00:05:31,956 He came on, and... 93 00:05:32,033 --> 00:05:33,666 he said, 94 00:05:33,710 --> 00:05:36,461 "Well, I got some bad news." 95 00:05:36,538 --> 00:05:38,171 He said, "I don't know how to tell you this, but..." 96 00:05:38,215 --> 00:05:40,173 He said, "I think Larry was 97 00:05:40,217 --> 00:05:43,259 out on the property, and -- and he got shot." 98 00:05:50,102 --> 00:05:54,062 About an hour later, the county sheriff calls me 99 00:05:54,139 --> 00:05:56,856 and confirms that yeah, it definitely was Larry. 100 00:05:56,900 --> 00:05:59,776 And, uh... 101 00:06:03,532 --> 00:06:05,448 I'm thinking of my family members. 102 00:06:05,450 --> 00:06:07,492 I've got three sisters, two brothers, 103 00:06:07,569 --> 00:06:09,452 Larry's wife, Tammy, and the kids, 104 00:06:09,454 --> 00:06:12,247 I knew was gonna take it really hard. 105 00:06:15,460 --> 00:06:19,462 I got notified of Larry's death and found out that Larry 106 00:06:19,539 --> 00:06:21,005 had been killed in -- in, 107 00:06:21,007 --> 00:06:24,050 uh, what I would call a hunting accident. 108 00:06:24,094 --> 00:06:27,637 But, uh, and at that point, that's basically 109 00:06:27,714 --> 00:06:30,181 all -- all I knew -- we left -- 110 00:06:30,258 --> 00:06:34,561 we went to meet with some of our -- my siblings at that time 111 00:06:34,563 --> 00:06:36,438 shortly after that. 112 00:06:40,569 --> 00:06:43,069 HUBER: I'll never forget the day I got the phone call. 113 00:06:45,031 --> 00:06:46,739 All I remember is 114 00:06:48,493 --> 00:06:50,368 dropping to my knees. 115 00:06:52,539 --> 00:06:55,707 Larry was a -- was a sweetheart. 116 00:06:55,783 --> 00:06:58,751 He would give the shirt off his back to you. 117 00:06:58,795 --> 00:07:01,004 Everybody liked Larry. 118 00:07:03,008 --> 00:07:05,008 It's a day I'll never forget, 119 00:07:06,011 --> 00:07:08,136 as long as I live. 120 00:07:08,254 --> 00:07:10,889 It tore me up. 121 00:07:12,601 --> 00:07:13,975 No. 122 00:07:16,062 --> 00:07:19,105 McDANIEL: Tammy Holman was notified of Larry's death. 123 00:07:19,107 --> 00:07:23,193 So she showed up to the crime scene. 124 00:07:23,269 --> 00:07:26,070 She was very emotional whenever she spoke. 125 00:07:26,072 --> 00:07:27,947 It was one of those that 126 00:07:27,949 --> 00:07:32,327 it really appeared that she was devastated that her husband 127 00:07:32,403 --> 00:07:34,162 had been killed. 128 00:07:34,164 --> 00:07:36,789 She had two kids to raise, and she 129 00:07:36,791 --> 00:07:39,501 was gonna have to do it all by herself. 130 00:07:39,503 --> 00:07:45,173 Tammy was, in all aspects, a true grieving widow. 131 00:07:47,302 --> 00:07:50,220 RANDY: Larry and Tammy met through church. 132 00:07:50,296 --> 00:07:53,014 She was substantially younger than he was, 133 00:07:53,091 --> 00:07:55,517 but he definitely fell head over heels with her. 134 00:07:55,593 --> 00:07:58,061 There was no doubt in my mind the feeling was mutual. 135 00:07:58,137 --> 00:08:00,188 She was crazy about him, as well. 136 00:08:03,860 --> 00:08:04,901 HUBER: Larry loved Tammy. 137 00:08:04,978 --> 00:08:06,486 He'd open up his lunchbox, 138 00:08:06,530 --> 00:08:09,239 and he'd have her picture in his lunchbox. 139 00:08:09,315 --> 00:08:10,615 You know, he loved her. 140 00:08:10,692 --> 00:08:13,326 I can't imagine how she felt. 141 00:08:13,370 --> 00:08:16,579 You don't ever think something like that's gonna happen to you 142 00:08:16,656 --> 00:08:18,706 or your family. 143 00:08:21,461 --> 00:08:22,952 RANDY: That evening, 144 00:08:23,029 --> 00:08:25,672 Larry told me he would go down where he was planning to 145 00:08:25,674 --> 00:08:28,466 bow hunt and just sit off to the side 146 00:08:28,543 --> 00:08:31,010 in his car and watch the field 147 00:08:31,012 --> 00:08:32,971 to see if there was any deer moving through 148 00:08:32,973 --> 00:08:34,931 the field, just so he could 149 00:08:35,008 --> 00:08:37,475 decide where he wanted to set up his stand the next day. 150 00:08:38,853 --> 00:08:40,228 At that point in time, 151 00:08:40,305 --> 00:08:41,854 I worked in the courthouse. 152 00:08:41,898 --> 00:08:46,568 So that morning, I got on the phone and started asking 153 00:08:46,644 --> 00:08:50,029 questions as far as what was the status of the case, 154 00:08:50,073 --> 00:08:51,864 what they thought happened. 155 00:08:51,908 --> 00:08:54,367 Did they think it was intentional? 156 00:09:00,917 --> 00:09:03,710 I was assigned to go across the Mississippi River 157 00:09:03,712 --> 00:09:07,255 directly across from where LaRoche Chemicals was. 158 00:09:07,257 --> 00:09:10,425 We looked to see if there was a possibility of it being 159 00:09:10,501 --> 00:09:12,510 an accident, especially at the distance 160 00:09:12,587 --> 00:09:14,804 we thought that it traveled -- with a very good rifle, 161 00:09:14,806 --> 00:09:17,599 it's most likely it could happen. 162 00:09:18,893 --> 00:09:21,769 We found evidence of people target shooting. 163 00:09:22,897 --> 00:09:25,273 The trajectory of the bullet appeared to enter 164 00:09:25,308 --> 00:09:26,774 the back window, 165 00:09:26,851 --> 00:09:29,152 travel through the headrest, into the back of the head of 166 00:09:29,228 --> 00:09:30,837 Larry Holman. 167 00:09:30,839 --> 00:09:33,615 The shot appeared to be fired while the car was in motion, 168 00:09:33,691 --> 00:09:36,159 and we can establish that it was in motion, because it was 169 00:09:36,235 --> 00:09:38,161 still in drive when we arrived. 170 00:09:38,955 --> 00:09:43,041 We determined that, most likely, it was an accident 171 00:09:43,117 --> 00:09:44,876 from a bullet across the Mississippi. 172 00:09:44,878 --> 00:09:48,171 [distant train whistle blowing] 173 00:09:48,173 --> 00:09:51,841 That sounded a little far-fetched. 174 00:09:53,219 --> 00:09:55,178 MICHAELS: It's possible that it was a hunting accident, 175 00:09:55,180 --> 00:09:57,764 because it was in the middle of deer season, 176 00:09:57,807 --> 00:10:01,476 and strange things happen during that time of the year. 177 00:10:01,552 --> 00:10:03,353 As I learned more of the details that Larry was 178 00:10:03,429 --> 00:10:04,887 actually in the car, 179 00:10:04,964 --> 00:10:08,191 the car was moving, his headlights would have been on, 180 00:10:08,267 --> 00:10:11,486 then I started getting suspicious that this just 181 00:10:11,488 --> 00:10:15,073 doesn't sound like it could have possibly been an accident. 182 00:10:16,868 --> 00:10:20,161 HUBER: My brother, Randy, is the one that really 183 00:10:20,238 --> 00:10:22,038 wouldn't let it drop. 184 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:23,790 So yeah, he told the cops, 185 00:10:23,833 --> 00:10:26,793 he said, "That don't even make sense that a bullet would 186 00:10:26,795 --> 00:10:28,327 "come all the way from over in 187 00:10:28,329 --> 00:10:32,215 "Illinois and kill somebody in the back of the head. 188 00:10:32,291 --> 00:10:34,300 What are the chances of that?" 189 00:10:34,344 --> 00:10:37,553 You know, Illinois is across the river, 190 00:10:37,630 --> 00:10:39,681 and, uh, it was like, they didn't 191 00:10:39,757 --> 00:10:43,726 really want to investigate this whole situation. 192 00:10:43,803 --> 00:10:46,938 They wanted to say no, it was an accident. 193 00:10:47,014 --> 00:10:48,773 Well, Randy wouldn't let it rest. 194 00:10:48,850 --> 00:10:50,692 Randy knew right off the bat. 195 00:10:50,768 --> 00:10:52,777 There's more to it than this. 196 00:10:52,779 --> 00:10:55,947 It was no accident. It was planned. 197 00:11:06,167 --> 00:11:09,127 DUNCAN: This area is not overblown with people and stuff, 198 00:11:09,203 --> 00:11:10,670 and a lot of people know each other. 199 00:11:10,714 --> 00:11:14,757 That house is the house Larry lived in after that 200 00:11:14,834 --> 00:11:19,053 other house -- and my dad last lived 201 00:11:19,055 --> 00:11:20,430 in that little house there, 202 00:11:20,432 --> 00:11:24,434 but we had a two-story farmhouse up the road. 203 00:11:25,311 --> 00:11:28,146 The Holmans were a well known family. 204 00:11:28,222 --> 00:11:31,858 Larry's brother was a teacher, and his sister-in-law was 205 00:11:31,860 --> 00:11:33,050 a teacher. 206 00:11:33,052 --> 00:11:37,321 Randy Holman, he ended up being in politics. 207 00:11:37,323 --> 00:11:41,826 Larry's dad did prison ministry and stuff like that. 208 00:11:41,903 --> 00:11:44,871 So a lot of people know the Holmans and stuff. 209 00:11:46,082 --> 00:11:48,416 My ex-wife, Kim, she called me 210 00:11:48,493 --> 00:11:51,335 and said, "Larry's been killed." 211 00:11:53,214 --> 00:11:54,672 And I was shocked. 212 00:11:54,749 --> 00:11:57,008 It was just like a horrible... 213 00:11:58,052 --> 00:12:00,553 nightmare, you know, that... 214 00:12:00,588 --> 00:12:02,054 you know, someone that's so close 215 00:12:02,056 --> 00:12:05,141 could get killed like that. 216 00:12:06,102 --> 00:12:08,311 I didn't know what happened, accident 217 00:12:08,387 --> 00:12:10,271 or anything intentional. 218 00:12:13,109 --> 00:12:16,944 The last time I talked to Larry was in church. 219 00:12:16,946 --> 00:12:19,280 Larry come up to me, and he said, "Hey, you know, 220 00:12:19,282 --> 00:12:21,199 "I'm losing my job, you're losing your job, 221 00:12:21,275 --> 00:12:23,618 "why don't we start building or 222 00:12:23,694 --> 00:12:26,454 doing something together and stuff?" 223 00:12:26,456 --> 00:12:29,207 I actually started laughing, because Larry could do a lot 224 00:12:29,209 --> 00:12:31,417 of stuff, but he -- he wasn't that great at building. 225 00:12:31,461 --> 00:12:36,047 But, you know, I always remember him saying that. 226 00:12:36,049 --> 00:12:38,800 You know, you remember the last 227 00:12:38,876 --> 00:12:40,968 time someone says something to you. 228 00:12:54,609 --> 00:12:57,735 This is just the property where my family lives. 229 00:12:57,737 --> 00:12:59,445 It's a good property to hunt on. 230 00:13:01,366 --> 00:13:02,865 Been here about, uh... 231 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:08,204 23 years now -- when I was in my late teens, 232 00:13:08,281 --> 00:13:11,415 my brother, Larry, was real outdoorsy. 233 00:13:11,492 --> 00:13:16,170 We would hunt every deer season, and we bonded that way, 234 00:13:16,247 --> 00:13:17,713 and he didn't do it just during 235 00:13:17,715 --> 00:13:19,924 deer season or just during turkey season. 236 00:13:19,926 --> 00:13:21,634 He lived it year-round. 237 00:13:22,470 --> 00:13:25,388 When I met with the police, 238 00:13:25,390 --> 00:13:28,766 you know, I told them about the last time Larry and I hunted 239 00:13:28,843 --> 00:13:32,353 in, uh, early November 2000. 240 00:13:42,949 --> 00:13:45,449 That happened to be the first day of deer season. 241 00:13:45,526 --> 00:13:47,034 We did split up. 242 00:13:47,036 --> 00:13:52,373 We were probably about a third of a mile from each other. 243 00:13:55,420 --> 00:13:57,545 [gunshot blasts] 244 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:05,261 At one point, he radioed me 245 00:14:05,263 --> 00:14:08,389 and said, "Man, a bullet just grazed by me." 246 00:14:09,934 --> 00:14:11,642 He was like, "That was kind of weird." 247 00:14:12,604 --> 00:14:14,896 I then walked back to camp and got the truck 248 00:14:14,898 --> 00:14:18,774 and then drove to pick him up, and as I was driving 249 00:14:19,819 --> 00:14:24,906 to pick him up, I saw a man walking across this huge field, 250 00:14:24,982 --> 00:14:26,991 and he was in total camouflage, 251 00:14:27,068 --> 00:14:31,370 and Missouri requires that if you're firearm hunting, you have 252 00:14:31,414 --> 00:14:34,916 to have hunter orange on, and this guy had nothing on. 253 00:14:34,918 --> 00:14:37,335 He was just carrying his rifle, cutting across 254 00:14:37,337 --> 00:14:40,963 this field, and he was coming from Larry's direction. 255 00:14:40,965 --> 00:14:43,299 You know, I was a little perplexed, 256 00:14:43,376 --> 00:14:46,260 and when I got to Larry, I said, 257 00:14:47,055 --> 00:14:48,638 "There's a hunter just on the other 258 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:50,598 side of this wood line where you're hunting." 259 00:14:50,675 --> 00:14:53,017 And he's like, "I didn't see him," and it 260 00:14:53,094 --> 00:14:55,186 was odd that it would be way out there. 261 00:14:55,262 --> 00:14:57,146 But again, what you got -- you know, 262 00:14:57,223 --> 00:14:58,814 literally on the first day of deer season, 263 00:14:58,891 --> 00:15:00,942 thousands of people in the woods. 264 00:15:00,944 --> 00:15:03,986 So he really wasn't that spooked by it, 265 00:15:03,988 --> 00:15:05,947 but he did notice it. 266 00:15:08,618 --> 00:15:10,009 McDANIEL: With the information 267 00:15:10,011 --> 00:15:12,411 what was given to us by Randy in reference to 268 00:15:12,413 --> 00:15:15,164 the bullet ricocheting past Larry's head 269 00:15:15,166 --> 00:15:17,500 during their hunting trip, 270 00:15:17,576 --> 00:15:21,629 we started doing a more thorough canvass of the area, 271 00:15:21,706 --> 00:15:24,173 looking for anything and everything 272 00:15:24,250 --> 00:15:27,593 what could lead to how this happened. 273 00:15:28,930 --> 00:15:32,348 The field where Larry's car was, the only thing 274 00:15:32,425 --> 00:15:35,685 that really goes through that area is the train tracks. 275 00:15:35,761 --> 00:15:38,104 That would be the access in and out of 276 00:15:38,147 --> 00:15:39,480 the LaRoche properties. 277 00:15:39,557 --> 00:15:41,399 The rest of it would be heavily wooded. 278 00:15:41,401 --> 00:15:43,401 [distant train whistle] 279 00:15:43,403 --> 00:15:46,904 We actually followed the tracks for probably about 280 00:15:46,906 --> 00:15:48,614 two miles. 281 00:15:48,658 --> 00:15:50,616 There was a person who lived 282 00:15:50,660 --> 00:15:53,995 next to the tracks named Helen Scott. 283 00:15:55,540 --> 00:15:59,166 We inquired if she had seen anything. 284 00:15:59,243 --> 00:16:03,170 She told us that there was a gentleman who had parked 285 00:16:03,172 --> 00:16:05,464 his truck by her residence 286 00:16:05,466 --> 00:16:08,843 and got out with a large rifle 287 00:16:08,919 --> 00:16:11,470 and walked down the tracks. 288 00:16:12,265 --> 00:16:15,224 I asked her when was the last time she actually seen 289 00:16:15,301 --> 00:16:19,729 the vehicle, and Miss Scott stated that it was the night of 290 00:16:19,805 --> 00:16:21,080 the shooting 291 00:16:21,082 --> 00:16:23,733 what had occurred at LaRoche's properties. 292 00:16:23,735 --> 00:16:26,902 [distant train whistle] 293 00:16:28,322 --> 00:16:30,114 MICHAELS: Looking at Larry Holman's background, 294 00:16:30,191 --> 00:16:32,742 we found him to be an individual that was very 295 00:16:32,818 --> 00:16:33,892 squeaky clean. 296 00:16:33,894 --> 00:16:36,203 He had no enemies that we located. 297 00:16:36,205 --> 00:16:37,747 He was a blue collar worker. 298 00:16:37,823 --> 00:16:39,874 Uh, he was an outdoorsman. 299 00:16:39,950 --> 00:16:43,961 He hunted, he fished, uh, he was a father of two children. 300 00:16:44,038 --> 00:16:46,630 He was raising them to be good citizens. 301 00:16:46,632 --> 00:16:49,925 All indications was that he was a great guy. 302 00:16:50,002 --> 00:16:52,511 It just didn't seem like this is the person that would be 303 00:16:52,555 --> 00:16:53,888 involved in some type of a crime 304 00:16:53,890 --> 00:16:56,640 where he would wind up being murdered. 305 00:17:04,567 --> 00:17:07,568 MUNZLINGER: Festus, it still has a small-town feel. 306 00:17:07,645 --> 00:17:10,821 A lot of people know everybody in town. 307 00:17:10,898 --> 00:17:12,114 Hey, good morning, how are you? 308 00:17:12,116 --> 00:17:13,866 Good. What can I make for you today? 309 00:17:13,910 --> 00:17:15,409 Just my normal cup of coffee. 310 00:17:15,486 --> 00:17:17,536 -All righty. There you go. -Oh, good, looks good. 311 00:17:17,538 --> 00:17:19,663 -Have a good day. -All right. Thank you. 312 00:17:19,740 --> 00:17:23,501 MUNZLINGER: When a murder occurs like the Larry Holman murder, 313 00:17:23,577 --> 00:17:24,418 it's not the norm. 314 00:17:24,495 --> 00:17:26,837 It is a shocking thing for, uh, 315 00:17:26,839 --> 00:17:30,424 for the residents, and it's just something 316 00:17:30,501 --> 00:17:32,301 that they all talk about. 317 00:17:32,378 --> 00:17:33,928 Everybody wants to know the facts 318 00:17:34,004 --> 00:17:36,597 and wants to know what's going on. 319 00:17:36,599 --> 00:17:38,099 It was the talk of the town. 320 00:17:38,175 --> 00:17:40,518 I heard they were talking about it in the cafes. 321 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:42,561 They were talking about it in the barbershop. 322 00:17:42,605 --> 00:17:45,064 They were talking about it even at church. 323 00:17:45,108 --> 00:17:48,150 [distant church bell ringing] 324 00:17:49,654 --> 00:17:52,071 HUBER: There was gossip in the church about 325 00:17:52,073 --> 00:17:54,990 how Tammy dressed when she went out 326 00:17:55,067 --> 00:17:59,578 behind Larry's back when she went to the bars and stuff. 327 00:18:01,249 --> 00:18:03,165 AUBUCHON: I've known Tammy for many years, 328 00:18:03,242 --> 00:18:05,709 and she was pretty young. 329 00:18:05,786 --> 00:18:09,255 Sometimes she wore some pretty 330 00:18:09,257 --> 00:18:11,590 revealing clothes. 331 00:18:11,634 --> 00:18:14,969 And, uh, she thought Larry really liked 332 00:18:14,971 --> 00:18:17,513 her being dressed like that, floozy-looking. 333 00:18:17,515 --> 00:18:19,682 [scoffs] 334 00:18:19,684 --> 00:18:21,642 I know Larry worked a lot, 335 00:18:22,562 --> 00:18:24,436 and she probably spent a lot of 336 00:18:24,438 --> 00:18:28,774 time at home by herself with the kids. 337 00:18:28,818 --> 00:18:30,651 Somewhere along the line, 338 00:18:30,653 --> 00:18:33,112 I guess she got lonely. 339 00:18:33,114 --> 00:18:36,949 I seen cars there lots of times that I didn't recognize, 340 00:18:36,993 --> 00:18:39,827 but when she was married to Larry, I just assumed she had 341 00:18:39,904 --> 00:18:43,122 friends over, thinking girls. 342 00:18:43,166 --> 00:18:45,374 I think some of them were guys, 343 00:18:45,451 --> 00:18:49,211 but I never questioned it, because Tammy had her friends, 344 00:18:49,288 --> 00:18:52,590 so I thought -- she had friends. 345 00:18:55,511 --> 00:18:59,847 All these rumors coming in of Tammy 346 00:18:59,849 --> 00:19:07,104 being involved with other men raised suspicion. 347 00:19:07,181 --> 00:19:09,857 We had to start looking at those men 348 00:19:09,934 --> 00:19:13,652 as potential suspects in Larry's death. 349 00:19:27,126 --> 00:19:31,837 After Larry died, I went to pick up my kids. 350 00:19:32,757 --> 00:19:35,341 I noticed that another guy was at Larry's house 351 00:19:35,343 --> 00:19:36,967 and I'm thinking, 352 00:19:37,044 --> 00:19:39,637 how is she already having somebody there? 353 00:19:39,639 --> 00:19:42,264 It seemed like it was just a matter of weeks. 354 00:19:42,266 --> 00:19:46,518 I knew him and stuff, and it was Tim Smith. 355 00:19:46,562 --> 00:19:49,813 It was like he was at his own house, you know what I mean? 356 00:19:49,890 --> 00:19:51,548 And so soon. 357 00:19:51,625 --> 00:19:55,861 And that -- that set off a lot of alarms in my head, you know. 358 00:19:55,905 --> 00:19:58,739 I didn't like it at all, I didn't like it at all. 359 00:19:58,816 --> 00:20:01,659 And I thought he was pretty much of a jerk. 360 00:20:02,912 --> 00:20:04,578 Come on. 361 00:20:04,655 --> 00:20:07,122 So we had heard things. 362 00:20:07,199 --> 00:20:09,708 She had a guy named Tim Smith 363 00:20:09,752 --> 00:20:11,502 living with her, 364 00:20:11,578 --> 00:20:14,546 and Randy worked at the courthouse. 365 00:20:14,590 --> 00:20:18,759 So he told the cops, he said, "That don't even make sense." 366 00:20:19,887 --> 00:20:21,679 RANDY: Everything I come across, 367 00:20:21,681 --> 00:20:24,473 I was telling law enforcement, because I wanted to 368 00:20:24,550 --> 00:20:28,477 find out what was going on -- that is extremely suspicious. 369 00:20:30,022 --> 00:20:32,064 A new man coming in, sitting in the chair 370 00:20:32,108 --> 00:20:36,694 that Larry always sat in, just a huge red flag. 371 00:20:38,864 --> 00:20:40,614 MICHAELS: We checked Tim Smith's criminal background, 372 00:20:40,616 --> 00:20:42,950 and we didn't find anything on Tim Smith. 373 00:20:43,027 --> 00:20:44,743 Nothing that stood out. 374 00:20:44,787 --> 00:20:47,288 Maybe a couple traffic tickets, things like that. 375 00:20:49,959 --> 00:20:51,875 McDANIEL: Tim Smith and Tammy Holman, 376 00:20:51,952 --> 00:20:55,254 they actually went to high school together 377 00:20:55,298 --> 00:20:59,842 and were actually high school sweethearts. 378 00:20:59,844 --> 00:21:03,929 Tim Smith's actions could have been, uh, as a friend. 379 00:21:03,973 --> 00:21:09,226 But with it being so early in Larry's death and him inserting 380 00:21:09,228 --> 00:21:12,062 himself back into Tammy's life, 381 00:21:12,139 --> 00:21:14,273 it just seemed very odd. 382 00:21:15,776 --> 00:21:19,570 We decided that we would bring in Tim Smith 383 00:21:19,646 --> 00:21:23,699 for questioning in the death of Larry Holman. 384 00:21:28,372 --> 00:21:30,539 [distant radio chatter] 385 00:21:30,541 --> 00:21:32,249 MICHAELS: I interviewed Tim at the Jefferson County 386 00:21:32,326 --> 00:21:34,001 Sheriff's Department. 387 00:21:34,078 --> 00:21:39,048 Tim Smith was kind of an arrogant individual. 388 00:21:41,177 --> 00:21:43,344 I asked him if he had moved in with 389 00:21:43,462 --> 00:21:44,845 Tammy Holman. 390 00:21:44,922 --> 00:21:47,222 He stated that approximately two weeks after the death 391 00:21:47,299 --> 00:21:50,601 of her husband, that she had invited him to move in. 392 00:21:50,603 --> 00:21:54,980 Told me that this relationship was a sexual relationship. 393 00:21:56,776 --> 00:21:59,735 He was there as her boyfriend and her lover. 394 00:22:00,738 --> 00:22:03,155 He further went on to state that they had 395 00:22:03,199 --> 00:22:06,909 planned on being married somewhere down the road. 396 00:22:06,985 --> 00:22:10,704 He kept referring to her and him being in love. 397 00:22:12,333 --> 00:22:15,042 He goes, "I didn't kill Larry Holman." 398 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,419 He say -- if anything, he says I was -- 399 00:22:17,421 --> 00:22:20,381 he said, "I wasn't a close friend, but I was a friend." 400 00:22:30,017 --> 00:22:32,226 He was killed on a Tuesday, 401 00:22:32,228 --> 00:22:34,311 and Thursday was Thanksgiving. 402 00:22:34,313 --> 00:22:36,355 We didn't even have him buried yet. 403 00:22:38,526 --> 00:22:41,735 So it was a very, very sad Thanksgiving Day. 404 00:22:42,738 --> 00:22:46,198 We went down and seen the area where his car -- 405 00:22:46,242 --> 00:22:48,117 where they found his car. 406 00:22:48,193 --> 00:22:50,577 You know, we all cried, 407 00:22:50,654 --> 00:22:52,371 because you can just picture him. 408 00:22:52,415 --> 00:22:56,542 He had a toothpick in his mouth all the time. 409 00:22:56,585 --> 00:22:57,909 And when they found him, 410 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,963 he still had that toothpick in his mouth. 411 00:23:02,883 --> 00:23:04,550 VICKI: Remember at the funeral, Jerry? 412 00:23:04,552 --> 00:23:07,428 How Tammy had 413 00:23:07,504 --> 00:23:11,181 you stand on one side and Randy on the other. 414 00:23:11,258 --> 00:23:15,853 Right, and she was claiming that, uh, everybody, uh, 415 00:23:15,929 --> 00:23:19,773 the men were all trying to play with her behind. 416 00:23:19,850 --> 00:23:22,067 Yeah. 417 00:23:22,111 --> 00:23:25,404 We would stop by at various times and stop in on our way 418 00:23:25,448 --> 00:23:27,531 through Festus and just say hi, and there was 419 00:23:27,608 --> 00:23:29,191 a couple of different times, 420 00:23:29,193 --> 00:23:31,660 Tammy would be on the phone in the kitchen, and we'd be down in 421 00:23:31,662 --> 00:23:37,040 the living room, and I heard her talking with -- for like 15, 422 00:23:37,117 --> 00:23:39,585 20 minutes at a time -- talking to a different guy. 423 00:23:39,628 --> 00:23:42,254 She -- she was -- could be pretty 424 00:23:42,381 --> 00:23:44,840 flirtatious when she would talk to men. 425 00:23:46,469 --> 00:23:48,385 McDANIEL: At this point of the investigation, 426 00:23:48,387 --> 00:23:52,681 there was rumors that not only was Tammy Holman talking to 427 00:23:52,683 --> 00:23:55,517 Tim Smith, but also another male, 428 00:23:55,594 --> 00:23:57,728 Tom Ruble. 429 00:23:57,804 --> 00:24:02,316 HUBER: We started hearing things before Larry was killed 430 00:24:02,392 --> 00:24:03,875 about Tammy 431 00:24:03,877 --> 00:24:06,737 and a guy named Tom Ruble that went to church with me. 432 00:24:08,574 --> 00:24:11,033 RANDY: He was driving past Larry's house one day 433 00:24:11,109 --> 00:24:12,701 before he was killed. 434 00:24:12,778 --> 00:24:17,122 Larry's wife, Tammy, was sunbathing in a black bikini, 435 00:24:17,166 --> 00:24:20,292 and he stopped, and he asked her her name, 436 00:24:20,336 --> 00:24:24,213 started up a conversation with her, and within a matter of 437 00:24:24,215 --> 00:24:28,091 a day or two, they were having an affair. 438 00:24:28,928 --> 00:24:30,886 All I know is what I heard, 439 00:24:31,639 --> 00:24:34,223 that she was messing around with him, 440 00:24:34,299 --> 00:24:39,728 and supposedly, he was gonna build her a home, a big house. 441 00:24:39,730 --> 00:24:42,898 I guess he thought maybe she was gonna divorce Larry. 442 00:24:44,235 --> 00:24:46,944 McDANIEL: There was a little bit of an age difference 443 00:24:46,946 --> 00:24:50,113 between Tammy and Tom Ruble, 444 00:24:50,190 --> 00:24:54,117 which kind of made this an awkward type 445 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:59,373 of a relationship, and Tom Ruble was suspicious in nature 446 00:24:59,449 --> 00:25:03,001 and is a person that needed to be looked into. 447 00:25:04,588 --> 00:25:07,297 MICHAELS: During the course of looking at Tammy's lovers, 448 00:25:07,374 --> 00:25:09,550 the other name that kept coming up was Charlie Miller 449 00:25:09,626 --> 00:25:11,510 when we talked to people. 450 00:25:11,554 --> 00:25:16,557 Just that Charlie Miller was infatuated with Tammy. 451 00:25:17,810 --> 00:25:19,851 AUBUCHON: Before Larry got killed, 452 00:25:19,895 --> 00:25:23,021 my oldest son, Jeff, worked at Snook's Grocery store, 453 00:25:23,065 --> 00:25:27,776 and a guy came in there that went to the church 454 00:25:28,862 --> 00:25:31,530 that we were going to, and he told Jeff, he said, "I just want 455 00:25:31,574 --> 00:25:34,241 "you to know that your Aunt Tammy and a guy named 456 00:25:34,318 --> 00:25:38,620 Charlie Miller are meeting over at the park every day." 457 00:25:38,697 --> 00:25:41,999 He said, "She drops her kids off at school and meets him at 458 00:25:42,001 --> 00:25:44,501 the park," and I went to my brother, 459 00:25:44,503 --> 00:25:47,296 Randy, and I said, "what are we gonna do about this?" 460 00:25:49,341 --> 00:25:51,967 RANDY: I let the sheriff's office know, 461 00:25:51,969 --> 00:25:55,971 Charlie Miller was interested in Larry's wife. 462 00:25:55,973 --> 00:25:58,807 I could tell that Charlie, you know, 463 00:25:58,809 --> 00:26:02,311 I had a crush or was infatuated. 464 00:26:02,313 --> 00:26:05,731 I just knew it, I knew he had his eye on her. 465 00:26:05,766 --> 00:26:08,150 I didn't have a good feeling about the man. 466 00:26:08,226 --> 00:26:10,110 Quite frankly, I didn't like the guy. 467 00:26:10,187 --> 00:26:14,531 He was the type of person that couldn't be trusted. 468 00:26:14,608 --> 00:26:17,618 DUNCAN: Charlie Miller was a contractor. 469 00:26:17,694 --> 00:26:18,994 Larry worked for him for a while. 470 00:26:19,071 --> 00:26:20,912 I actually worked for him for a while. 471 00:26:20,914 --> 00:26:25,334 I noticed that he kept volunteering 472 00:26:25,410 --> 00:26:28,754 to go over to Larry's house to fix things. 473 00:26:28,797 --> 00:26:31,381 And seemed like he was always there. 474 00:26:34,678 --> 00:26:37,471 By looking at the phone calls and analyzing, 475 00:26:37,473 --> 00:26:40,599 Tammy Holman had several conversations with 476 00:26:40,643 --> 00:26:42,125 Charlie Miller, 477 00:26:42,127 --> 00:26:47,648 but she also had several conversations with Tim Smith 478 00:26:47,650 --> 00:26:52,861 and Tom Ruble, so we would have to start looking at those men 479 00:26:52,863 --> 00:26:57,908 who were obsessed and infatuated with Tammy. 480 00:26:57,984 --> 00:27:01,662 Would one of those men have tried to do something to 481 00:27:01,738 --> 00:27:03,747 get Larry out of the way 482 00:27:03,749 --> 00:27:06,875 so that they could have a relationship with Tammy? 483 00:27:21,100 --> 00:27:23,684 MICHAELS: Festus is a very small town. 484 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:25,977 A lot of people know what other people are doing, 485 00:27:26,021 --> 00:27:27,979 seeing, and saying. 486 00:27:28,023 --> 00:27:30,107 There were some stories floating around. 487 00:27:32,778 --> 00:27:34,778 We heard that Larry Holman's wife 488 00:27:34,855 --> 00:27:37,072 had been being stalked by an individual. 489 00:27:38,951 --> 00:27:42,035 And then we heard that there was someone who was 490 00:27:42,037 --> 00:27:45,372 sending love letters to her after the death of her husband. 491 00:27:48,794 --> 00:27:51,837 [distant knocking noises] 492 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,881 We went on to talk to Tammy Holman, and she 493 00:27:54,958 --> 00:27:58,885 told me that she had written notes from a Tom Ruble. 494 00:27:58,962 --> 00:28:02,472 She said that he wanted to be with her. 495 00:28:03,851 --> 00:28:06,184 She felt that she was very scared of him. 496 00:28:06,228 --> 00:28:09,646 He had feelings for her, and -- that she didn't have for him. 497 00:28:09,681 --> 00:28:13,275 She wanted us to look at him seriously 498 00:28:13,277 --> 00:28:15,569 as being involved in the death of her husband. 499 00:28:18,532 --> 00:28:20,115 CARDONA: When Larry was still alive, 500 00:28:20,192 --> 00:28:23,285 Tom is writing love letters to Tammy, 501 00:28:23,361 --> 00:28:25,787 telling her how happy they can be. 502 00:28:25,789 --> 00:28:27,956 He can take her away from all of this, 503 00:28:27,958 --> 00:28:30,167 that he can be there for her and give her the life 504 00:28:30,169 --> 00:28:31,793 she deserves. 505 00:28:31,795 --> 00:28:35,046 She provided us with copies of the letters that he had 506 00:28:35,090 --> 00:28:37,674 given to her, and they were submitted as evidence. 507 00:28:37,751 --> 00:28:39,634 The first one states, "Tammy, 508 00:28:39,711 --> 00:28:43,430 "this is really crazy, what's going on between us. 509 00:28:43,507 --> 00:28:46,391 "What I offer you scares you. 510 00:28:46,477 --> 00:28:48,894 Please do not do anything stupid." 511 00:28:48,937 --> 00:28:50,604 "We're not thinking clearly now 512 00:28:50,606 --> 00:28:52,647 "and hope that we can both see that. 513 00:28:52,724 --> 00:28:55,108 "You never had anything in your life, 514 00:28:55,185 --> 00:28:56,735 but I'm here to change that." 515 00:28:57,613 --> 00:29:00,238 "I love you and won't let you go. 516 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,866 "It's time that we put the past behind us. 517 00:29:02,901 --> 00:29:05,243 I'll never hurt us again." 518 00:29:06,955 --> 00:29:10,499 And what does he mean by he'll never hurt us again? 519 00:29:10,575 --> 00:29:14,795 So is that strange? Yeah, I think so. 520 00:29:15,964 --> 00:29:19,758 So a natural question would be, for me or the investigators, 521 00:29:20,552 --> 00:29:21,802 did Tom Ruble have something to 522 00:29:21,878 --> 00:29:23,762 do with the death of Larry Holman? 523 00:29:28,143 --> 00:29:32,395 I worked in the assessor's office, and come to find out, 524 00:29:32,472 --> 00:29:34,981 Tammy went there to file a court order 525 00:29:35,058 --> 00:29:36,775 against Tom Ruble. 526 00:29:37,611 --> 00:29:39,319 She claimed that he wouldn't leave her alone, 527 00:29:39,396 --> 00:29:41,738 so she was getting a restraining order against him. 528 00:29:43,033 --> 00:29:44,991 McDANIEL: There was interviews conducted with Tom, 529 00:29:45,068 --> 00:29:47,327 and Tom actually said 530 00:29:47,329 --> 00:29:50,497 that he would come by and deliver flowers. 531 00:29:50,574 --> 00:29:53,083 At one point, Tom Ruble actually drew us 532 00:29:53,085 --> 00:29:57,671 a diagram of the inside of Tammy's house 533 00:29:57,747 --> 00:30:02,384 to prove to us that he had been inside the residence, 534 00:30:03,136 --> 00:30:07,973 which also raised our suspicion, would he have tried 535 00:30:07,975 --> 00:30:11,017 to do something to get Larry out of the way 536 00:30:11,094 --> 00:30:16,231 so he could actually have a relationship with Tammy? 537 00:30:16,308 --> 00:30:18,817 We looked at his background, we ran criminal histories 538 00:30:18,819 --> 00:30:20,777 on him, we talked to people about him. 539 00:30:20,854 --> 00:30:22,863 At that point in time, 540 00:30:22,939 --> 00:30:25,949 it was my opinion that Tom Ruble was stalking her. 541 00:30:33,500 --> 00:30:35,166 MUNZLINGER: During the autopsy, 542 00:30:35,210 --> 00:30:38,962 the medical examiner determined that Larry had been 543 00:30:39,039 --> 00:30:40,380 shot in the back of the head 544 00:30:40,382 --> 00:30:44,301 with a larger caliber rifle, 545 00:30:44,377 --> 00:30:47,762 somewhere around a .243 caliber, 546 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:54,185 which is a common, uh, hunting caliber for deer. 547 00:30:54,187 --> 00:30:57,230 It really, in the -- in the grand scheme of things, 548 00:30:57,307 --> 00:31:00,483 having that caliber, that would only come into play 549 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,527 when we had a pool of suspects 550 00:31:02,529 --> 00:31:05,238 to start looking into to see if they own 551 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,616 those type of guns, so it becomes more helpful 552 00:31:07,692 --> 00:31:09,910 as the investigation progresses, 553 00:31:09,986 --> 00:31:12,370 and we're able to get a suspect pool. 554 00:31:15,417 --> 00:31:21,004 McDANIEL: During the background investigation of Larry Holman, 555 00:31:21,081 --> 00:31:26,259 Charlie Miller's name came up several times. 556 00:31:30,557 --> 00:31:32,766 I remember Larry telling me that 557 00:31:32,768 --> 00:31:34,768 Charlie Miller showed him a gun. 558 00:31:37,439 --> 00:31:39,481 You know, different guys, when they're gonna go deer hunting 559 00:31:39,483 --> 00:31:40,941 or whatever, the -- 560 00:31:40,943 --> 00:31:44,152 they might show someone, hey, you know, I got this 3030 561 00:31:44,229 --> 00:31:46,196 or whatever, you know? 562 00:31:47,366 --> 00:31:52,077 And Larry did tell me that Charlie showed him a .243, 563 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,287 and I often wondered, was that 564 00:31:54,364 --> 00:31:56,957 the murder weapon that Charlie showed him? 565 00:31:57,033 --> 00:31:59,417 It was like, "Look at this gun. 566 00:31:59,461 --> 00:32:02,545 This gun is gonna be the one that kills you," you know? 567 00:32:04,424 --> 00:32:07,467 We did know a .243-caliber rifle 568 00:32:07,544 --> 00:32:11,346 had been used during the Larry Holman homicide. 569 00:32:11,423 --> 00:32:14,307 We did get an anonymous tip 570 00:32:14,384 --> 00:32:17,560 that Charlie Miller owned that same caliber rifle. 571 00:32:22,943 --> 00:32:27,112 McDANIEL: During the course of us speaking with Charlie Miller, 572 00:32:27,155 --> 00:32:32,784 I inquired if he still owned .243-caliber rifle. 573 00:32:32,786 --> 00:32:36,913 He stated that he did, and Charlie Miller's gun was seized 574 00:32:36,915 --> 00:32:38,331 as evidence, 575 00:32:38,333 --> 00:32:41,751 and it was sent off to the Missouri state crime lab for 576 00:32:41,828 --> 00:32:44,754 ballistics analysis against the bullet 577 00:32:44,756 --> 00:32:47,841 what was pulled from Larry Holman. 578 00:32:49,886 --> 00:32:53,346 Charlie Miller reveals that he and Larry were actually 579 00:32:53,348 --> 00:32:55,682 close friends, at least before 580 00:32:55,759 --> 00:32:59,019 it became apparent to Larry that Charlie 581 00:32:59,095 --> 00:33:00,895 was a little too close to his wife. 582 00:33:02,524 --> 00:33:05,025 So they had a little bit of a falling out apparently, 583 00:33:05,101 --> 00:33:07,277 and it was Larry's understanding 584 00:33:07,353 --> 00:33:09,404 that Charlie needed to back off, 585 00:33:11,324 --> 00:33:15,326 but it seems, at some point, it's rejuvenated, 586 00:33:15,370 --> 00:33:18,872 that attraction or relationship he had with Tammy 587 00:33:20,042 --> 00:33:23,334 and started being her confidante, giving her money, 588 00:33:23,378 --> 00:33:25,170 giving her a cellphone. 589 00:33:25,213 --> 00:33:29,674 He's another person who's tied up in the heartstrings 590 00:33:29,676 --> 00:33:32,177 of Tammy Holman's soap opera. 591 00:33:33,221 --> 00:33:34,679 I'm not sure the investigators, 592 00:33:34,723 --> 00:33:35,963 the police officers, 593 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:40,435 or myself had ever saw anything so complex. 594 00:33:43,148 --> 00:33:46,941 DUNCAN: It seemed like it was months since Larry was killed. 595 00:33:46,943 --> 00:33:50,153 I wondered about something that I overheard. 596 00:33:51,656 --> 00:33:54,616 So I went to the prosecuting attorney, 597 00:33:54,692 --> 00:33:57,243 and I told him that I overheard 598 00:33:57,245 --> 00:34:00,789 phone calls between my ex-wife, Kim, 599 00:34:00,865 --> 00:34:03,708 talking to her sister, Tammy. 600 00:34:05,212 --> 00:34:09,005 Tammy admitted, you know, having an affair with other people. 601 00:34:11,510 --> 00:34:15,345 So that's how I found out after Larry died, 602 00:34:15,347 --> 00:34:18,264 somebody called Tammy up and said there'd be 603 00:34:18,266 --> 00:34:21,101 one less plate to set at the table 604 00:34:21,177 --> 00:34:25,271 and admitted on the phone that he killed Larry. 605 00:34:34,908 --> 00:34:37,492 CARDONA: Right now, we are south of 606 00:34:37,569 --> 00:34:42,747 LaRoche Industries, the area where Larry got shot. 607 00:34:42,791 --> 00:34:47,127 A witness, uh, she lived right up here, 608 00:34:47,129 --> 00:34:48,753 Ms. Scott. 609 00:34:48,755 --> 00:34:51,714 She remembered, she noticed a vehicle, 610 00:34:51,716 --> 00:34:55,218 maroon-colored Nissan truck, parked here for I think 611 00:34:55,295 --> 00:34:56,694 a couple of days before 612 00:34:56,696 --> 00:34:59,430 and then the night that Larry Holman was killed. 613 00:34:59,474 --> 00:35:02,600 She said that she had -- 614 00:35:02,644 --> 00:35:06,020 hadn't spoken to him but had gotten a good look at him. 615 00:35:06,097 --> 00:35:08,898 She don't remember any hunter orange, 616 00:35:08,975 --> 00:35:12,443 but she remembered he had a big rifle and then walked down 617 00:35:12,487 --> 00:35:16,364 the tracks to the area where Larry got shot. 618 00:35:18,702 --> 00:35:24,205 I produced a lineup to Ms. Scott to see 619 00:35:24,207 --> 00:35:27,750 if she could recognize anyone inside the lineup. 620 00:35:27,752 --> 00:35:33,339 We had Charlie Miller, Tom Ruble, and Tim Smith. 621 00:35:33,416 --> 00:35:37,093 She immediately picked Charlie Miller. 622 00:35:39,431 --> 00:35:42,056 Mrs. Scott also was able to pick out 623 00:35:42,133 --> 00:35:43,683 Charlie Miller's truck 624 00:35:43,685 --> 00:35:46,978 from the night that Larry Holman was killed. 625 00:35:48,064 --> 00:35:51,816 CARDONA: January 9, 2001, at approximately 1800 hours, 626 00:35:51,818 --> 00:35:55,445 Miller was advised of his Miranda rights due to officers 627 00:35:55,447 --> 00:35:57,280 wanting to ask him questions about the murder. 628 00:35:57,357 --> 00:35:59,365 Miller suddenly ducked his head and then 629 00:35:59,367 --> 00:36:01,868 looked directly at the officer and stated, 630 00:36:03,121 --> 00:36:04,913 "I killed him." 631 00:36:04,989 --> 00:36:06,581 During the confession, 632 00:36:06,658 --> 00:36:11,211 Charlie explained how he committed the murder and where 633 00:36:11,213 --> 00:36:13,671 he went in order to try to accomplish it. 634 00:36:14,758 --> 00:36:17,675 So with the information that Charlie provided 635 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:18,909 in his confession, 636 00:36:18,945 --> 00:36:22,847 Tom Ruble and Tim Smith were cleared 637 00:36:22,933 --> 00:36:25,642 of having killed Larry Holman. 638 00:36:32,567 --> 00:36:36,402 He made turn-by-turn detailed directions. 639 00:36:36,404 --> 00:36:39,322 You go down this road, you turn at this tree, 640 00:36:39,357 --> 00:36:42,784 you go to this bush, and you turn to that bush. 641 00:36:42,860 --> 00:36:44,285 And when we got up there, we looked at it, 642 00:36:44,362 --> 00:36:46,871 and it was the middle of nowhere. 643 00:36:48,333 --> 00:36:50,208 RANDY: So what was ironic about all this, 644 00:36:50,210 --> 00:36:53,920 probably the last 2 to 3 miles of the trip 645 00:36:53,997 --> 00:36:55,588 is on private property, 646 00:36:55,665 --> 00:36:58,341 cutting through fields, and you have to know exactly where 647 00:36:58,343 --> 00:36:59,884 you're going, or you'd never find it. 648 00:36:59,928 --> 00:37:01,469 You'd never find it. 649 00:37:01,546 --> 00:37:05,390 And so, you know, it was obvious then that 650 00:37:05,433 --> 00:37:08,268 he had inside information on how to get there. 651 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,984 The only way Charlie Miller would have gotten 652 00:37:16,102 --> 00:37:19,612 that information would have been through me or Tammy. 653 00:37:19,614 --> 00:37:21,197 It definitely wasn't me. 654 00:37:25,954 --> 00:37:28,997 CARDONA: Charlie Miller reveals that Tammy Holman was 655 00:37:29,073 --> 00:37:31,582 encouraging him to kill her husband, 656 00:37:31,626 --> 00:37:34,085 providing the directions and where to find 657 00:37:34,087 --> 00:37:36,337 her husband and when. 658 00:37:36,414 --> 00:37:39,757 And he found his tree stand and took a shot at him, 659 00:37:39,759 --> 00:37:41,718 [gunshot blasts] 660 00:37:41,794 --> 00:37:43,285 but missed him. 661 00:37:43,287 --> 00:37:48,057 Then tells Tammy he missed the shot, and so on the phone, 662 00:37:48,059 --> 00:37:51,436 Tammy would encourage him to finish the deed, 663 00:37:51,479 --> 00:37:52,854 [gunshot blasts] 664 00:37:52,972 --> 00:37:54,564 and he did on November 21st. 665 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,650 It became clear that Tammy Holman 666 00:37:57,727 --> 00:38:00,945 was the mastermind behind her husband's death. 667 00:38:02,907 --> 00:38:03,972 HUBER: She's not right. 668 00:38:04,050 --> 00:38:05,325 There's something wrong with her. 669 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,661 Nobody in their right mind would do the things that 670 00:38:08,738 --> 00:38:12,373 she did when she could have just easily divorced him. 671 00:38:12,450 --> 00:38:17,754 But she thought she was gonna get a million dollars. 672 00:38:20,258 --> 00:38:21,924 RANDY: The day after Larry was killed, 673 00:38:22,001 --> 00:38:25,803 I went over there to see how Tammy and the kids were doing, 674 00:38:25,805 --> 00:38:29,182 and she handed me an insurance policy. 675 00:38:29,258 --> 00:38:32,935 Uh, and it was from LaRoche, and it was a million-dollar 676 00:38:32,937 --> 00:38:36,731 policy, and she was just wanting me to confirm 677 00:38:36,733 --> 00:38:39,025 that this was correct. 678 00:38:39,102 --> 00:38:43,529 I don't think she read the whole thing. 679 00:38:43,531 --> 00:38:45,531 RANDY: I took it home with me and started reading it. 680 00:38:45,608 --> 00:38:48,618 And then that's when I realized it wasn't 681 00:38:48,620 --> 00:38:50,411 a life insurance policy. 682 00:38:50,446 --> 00:38:55,333 It was a policy that, uh, LaRoche required 683 00:38:55,335 --> 00:38:58,586 anybody that hunted on their property to sign. 684 00:38:58,621 --> 00:39:00,963 And quite honestly, if there was a liability, 685 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,800 the million dollars would go to LaRoche, not to Larry. 686 00:39:03,802 --> 00:39:06,177 She thought she would get 687 00:39:06,221 --> 00:39:10,181 a million dollars if anything happened to Larry, 688 00:39:11,309 --> 00:39:13,851 which she did not get that million dollars. 689 00:39:15,814 --> 00:39:17,980 CARDONA: Tammy Holman was brought in for questioning. 690 00:39:19,067 --> 00:39:22,860 She did state three different times, verbatim, 691 00:39:22,904 --> 00:39:25,071 "I did not kill my husband. 692 00:39:25,148 --> 00:39:27,073 "I did not kill my husband. 693 00:39:27,191 --> 00:39:28,741 I did not kill my husband." 694 00:39:30,995 --> 00:39:35,623 McDANIEL: She was trying to pin everything on Charlie Miller. 695 00:39:35,700 --> 00:39:40,670 She stated that it was Charlie Miller who had 696 00:39:41,423 --> 00:39:47,844 delusional feelings and motive to be able to be with her. 697 00:39:49,722 --> 00:39:52,807 Tammy did indicate at some point near the end of 698 00:39:52,809 --> 00:39:54,809 the interview that she did feel responsible 699 00:39:54,886 --> 00:39:56,436 for the death of her husband, 700 00:39:56,512 --> 00:39:59,397 Larry Holman -- the state believed, 701 00:39:59,441 --> 00:40:02,650 I as a prosecutor believed, this was a confession, 702 00:40:02,727 --> 00:40:06,279 considering all the information Charlie Miller had provided. 703 00:40:07,699 --> 00:40:10,032 MICHAELS: I think it's more of a contract killing. 704 00:40:10,109 --> 00:40:12,493 Charlie Miller thought he was gonna get to move in 705 00:40:12,495 --> 00:40:13,744 and be her lover, 706 00:40:13,788 --> 00:40:16,539 tied it into being a contract. 707 00:40:16,616 --> 00:40:20,710 I think no, there was not a contract as far as money goes, 708 00:40:20,712 --> 00:40:23,880 but I think there was a contract as far as thought went. 709 00:40:23,882 --> 00:40:26,174 Uh, Charlie thought that he was going to 710 00:40:26,250 --> 00:40:29,844 be her next husband, and it didn't happen. 711 00:40:53,870 --> 00:40:55,745 DUNCAN: I came over here a lot with Larry, 712 00:40:55,821 --> 00:40:57,371 and a lot of fun memories. 713 00:40:57,406 --> 00:41:00,541 I -- I think about him, and I wonder how it would have 714 00:41:00,618 --> 00:41:05,087 been if he was still alive, if we could hang out again, 715 00:41:05,164 --> 00:41:06,631 but... 716 00:41:06,674 --> 00:41:08,049 I wish... 717 00:41:08,125 --> 00:41:10,259 wish I change all that, but... 718 00:41:10,336 --> 00:41:13,262 can't -- no more memories. 719 00:41:15,642 --> 00:41:18,142 HUBER: I miss him, especially when I have days 720 00:41:18,144 --> 00:41:20,478 I sit down, and I think about him. 721 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,271 I really miss him. 722 00:41:22,273 --> 00:41:24,815 I miss the fact that he didn't get to see his kids 723 00:41:24,859 --> 00:41:27,276 grow up -- that was all taken away 724 00:41:27,278 --> 00:41:30,363 from him because of selfishness, greediness. 725 00:41:30,439 --> 00:41:34,534 Some day, she's gonna stand before God, and she's 726 00:41:34,610 --> 00:41:37,495 gonna give an account of what she's done. 727 00:41:41,584 --> 00:41:43,125 RANDY: I know it's hard to believe, because it's been 728 00:41:43,127 --> 00:41:46,546 20 years, but rarely a day that goes by that 729 00:41:46,581 --> 00:41:48,030 I don't think about him. 730 00:41:48,107 --> 00:41:50,716 We didn't every time we leave say, "Hey, love you man," 731 00:41:50,793 --> 00:41:53,261 or anything like that, we just didn't do that. 732 00:41:56,099 --> 00:42:00,351 I wish I had done a better job of showing that to him.