1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:16,182 --> 00:00:18,351 JAMES: We released Titanic 20 years ago. 4 00:00:18,435 --> 00:00:19,936 Seems like a lifetime. 5 00:00:20,562 --> 00:00:22,856 But I remember everything like it was yesterday, 6 00:00:23,231 --> 00:00:25,066 from the first dive to the wreck, 7 00:00:25,150 --> 00:00:26,776 to our last day of production. 8 00:00:26,860 --> 00:00:28,695 We were creating a living history, 9 00:00:28,778 --> 00:00:30,155 so I needed every detail 10 00:00:30,238 --> 00:00:32,115 as accurate as we could make it. 11 00:00:32,991 --> 00:00:34,909 We owed the truth to the hundreds of souls 12 00:00:34,993 --> 00:00:37,037 lost that night in 1912. 13 00:00:37,495 --> 00:00:39,164 Even now I feel a responsibility 14 00:00:39,247 --> 00:00:40,957 to the living and the dead. 15 00:00:41,041 --> 00:00:42,500 Did we get it right? 16 00:00:44,002 --> 00:00:47,130 After decades of exploration and scientific analysis, 17 00:00:47,213 --> 00:00:49,841 we know a lot more than we did when we made the film. 18 00:00:50,467 --> 00:00:52,218 So I've gathered a team of experts, 19 00:00:52,302 --> 00:00:55,388 Parks Stephenson, Ken Marschall, and Don Lynch, 20 00:00:55,472 --> 00:00:58,224 to reopen the case file on Titanic 21 00:00:58,308 --> 00:01:00,143 and look at what we've discovered 22 00:01:00,226 --> 00:01:01,644 over the last 20 years. 23 00:01:02,062 --> 00:01:04,022 We'll investigate whether more lifeboats onboard 24 00:01:04,105 --> 00:01:05,648 could have saved more lives. 25 00:01:05,732 --> 00:01:06,858 I think I probably would cut faster 26 00:01:06,941 --> 00:01:08,443 if my life depended on it. 27 00:01:10,028 --> 00:01:10,945 Hear the surprising story 28 00:01:11,029 --> 00:01:13,031 of how the long-lost ship was found. 29 00:01:13,114 --> 00:01:14,657 -Did you get spooked? -ROBERT: It was spooky. 30 00:01:14,741 --> 00:01:16,826 JAMES: And learn how the film affected the families 31 00:01:16,910 --> 00:01:19,454 of some of Titanic's famous passengers. 32 00:01:19,537 --> 00:01:21,331 Molly Brown sounds like a real pistol. 33 00:01:21,414 --> 00:01:22,457 I would have loved to have met her. 34 00:01:22,540 --> 00:01:24,167 MUFFET: She was larger than life. 35 00:01:24,250 --> 00:01:25,752 JAMES: We'll step back in time 36 00:01:25,835 --> 00:01:27,337 to see how our sets match up 37 00:01:27,420 --> 00:01:29,255 against what we found at the wreck site. 38 00:01:29,339 --> 00:01:31,633 And we'll mount tests that may answer questions 39 00:01:31,716 --> 00:01:33,760 about the sinking that have bothered me 40 00:01:33,843 --> 00:01:35,178 for almost two decades. 41 00:01:35,261 --> 00:01:36,721 Yes! 42 00:01:36,805 --> 00:01:39,891 We'll see where we were right, and where we got it wrong. 43 00:01:49,734 --> 00:01:51,361 Background and action. 44 00:01:56,324 --> 00:01:58,159 When we made Titanic, 45 00:01:58,243 --> 00:02:01,579 we tried to do a film that was as if 46 00:02:01,663 --> 00:02:04,124 we had gone back in a time machine to that night. 47 00:02:04,207 --> 00:02:07,460 We tried to be as accurate as it was humanly possible to be. 48 00:02:07,544 --> 00:02:11,131 DON: You could walk out of Rose's cabin, 49 00:02:11,214 --> 00:02:13,591 down the corridor, down the grand staircase, 50 00:02:13,675 --> 00:02:15,927 through the reception room and into the dining room. 51 00:02:16,010 --> 00:02:17,929 It was every photograph I had ever seen. 52 00:02:18,012 --> 00:02:19,013 It was perfect. 53 00:02:19,097 --> 00:02:20,014 JAMES: And action. 54 00:02:20,932 --> 00:02:24,060 KEN: That feeling that you had, no longer was Titanic 55 00:02:24,144 --> 00:02:25,854 just a story in a book or a picture. 56 00:02:25,937 --> 00:02:27,272 You were there. 57 00:02:29,899 --> 00:02:33,444 PARKS: James not only made this movie, he embraced the subject. 58 00:02:33,820 --> 00:02:36,447 And the success of the movie 59 00:02:36,531 --> 00:02:40,451 made it possible to deploy new technologies 60 00:02:40,535 --> 00:02:42,120 to explore the wreck 61 00:02:42,203 --> 00:02:43,997 in ways that had never been done before. 62 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:45,915 JAMES (off screen): Who would have thought that stuff would still be there? 63 00:02:45,999 --> 00:02:47,959 It's a dream come true for me. 64 00:02:48,376 --> 00:02:50,712 To me, it just opened the door to so many mysteries 65 00:02:50,795 --> 00:02:52,088 and unanswered questions, 66 00:02:52,172 --> 00:02:55,842 and then that snowballed into a real lasting interest 67 00:02:55,925 --> 00:02:57,135 in the forensic work 68 00:02:57,218 --> 00:03:00,471 that kind of marine archaeology of the wreck site. 69 00:03:00,555 --> 00:03:03,183 And a lasting interest in the history of Titanic 70 00:03:03,266 --> 00:03:05,518 and the impact that it had on society. 71 00:03:05,602 --> 00:03:09,189 PARKS: The wreck is the last surviving witness 72 00:03:09,272 --> 00:03:10,648 to the disaster. 73 00:03:11,024 --> 00:03:13,151 It still has stories to tell 74 00:03:13,234 --> 00:03:15,904 for anybody willing to pay attention 75 00:03:15,987 --> 00:03:18,615 and listen to what the wreck has to tell us. 76 00:03:21,868 --> 00:03:23,828 LOVETT: Are you ready to go back to Titanic? 77 00:03:26,497 --> 00:03:30,210 JAMES: On April 14th, 1912, at 11:40 p.m., 78 00:03:30,293 --> 00:03:33,588 the RMS Titanic struck an iceberg during its maiden voyage 79 00:03:33,671 --> 00:03:36,174 from Southampton, England to New York City. 80 00:03:36,925 --> 00:03:38,593 Two hours and 40 minutes later, 81 00:03:38,676 --> 00:03:40,887 it sank to bottom of the Atlantic Ocean. 82 00:03:41,763 --> 00:03:45,266 Of the more than 2,200 passengers and crew onboard, 83 00:03:45,350 --> 00:03:47,685 just over 700 survived that night. 84 00:03:48,019 --> 00:03:50,897 The wreck remained lost at sea until 1985, 85 00:03:50,980 --> 00:03:53,316 when oceanographer, Robert Ballard, discovered it 86 00:03:53,399 --> 00:03:55,401 while on a secret mission for the US Navy. 87 00:03:56,152 --> 00:03:58,905 His expedition changed the way we explore the deep, 88 00:03:58,988 --> 00:04:00,198 and it changed my life. 89 00:04:00,281 --> 00:04:03,826 Bob and I recently met at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library 90 00:04:03,910 --> 00:04:05,954 to take a look at their exhibit on Titanic. 91 00:04:06,037 --> 00:04:07,705 ROBERT: This is the story I could never tell. 92 00:04:09,624 --> 00:04:11,960 JAMES: Bob Ballard is one of the nation's top oceanographers. 93 00:04:12,043 --> 00:04:13,461 But of course, what he's best known for 94 00:04:13,544 --> 00:04:15,713 is discovering the Titanic. 95 00:04:15,797 --> 00:04:17,298 And that's an amazing story 96 00:04:17,382 --> 00:04:19,550 because it turns out that that was just a cover story 97 00:04:19,634 --> 00:04:22,637 for a mission that he was doing for the US Navy at the time. 98 00:04:23,263 --> 00:04:26,599 In the 1960s, the US Navy lost two nuclear submarines, 99 00:04:26,683 --> 00:04:28,810 the Thresher and the Scorpion, 100 00:04:28,893 --> 00:04:30,687 under mysterious circumstances. 101 00:04:31,813 --> 00:04:34,148 In the 1980s, Dr. Robert Ballard 102 00:04:34,232 --> 00:04:36,401 was brought in to explore the wreck sites 103 00:04:37,026 --> 00:04:38,736 and find out if the Soviet Union 104 00:04:38,820 --> 00:04:40,363 had gotten there first. 105 00:04:42,949 --> 00:04:44,242 ROBERT: My mission was to go out 106 00:04:44,325 --> 00:04:46,202 to both the Thresher and the Scorpion, 107 00:04:46,286 --> 00:04:49,664 and completely document 100% of the wreckage. 108 00:04:52,959 --> 00:04:55,461 JAMES : As it turns out, Ballard found the missing subs 109 00:04:55,545 --> 00:04:57,463 and completed his mission so quickly 110 00:04:57,547 --> 00:05:01,009 that he still had 12 days left to search for Titanic. 111 00:05:01,467 --> 00:05:03,511 ROBERT: It was actually mapping the wreckage 112 00:05:03,594 --> 00:05:05,263 that told me how to find the Titanic. 113 00:05:05,972 --> 00:05:08,516 When the Thresher and the Scorpion imploded, 114 00:05:08,599 --> 00:05:11,269 all these pieces came falling down 115 00:05:11,352 --> 00:05:12,353 to the ocean floor. 116 00:05:12,437 --> 00:05:13,938 So as it was falling down, 117 00:05:14,022 --> 00:05:17,066 the currents carried it for over a mile. 118 00:05:17,150 --> 00:05:19,027 It was a comet of debris. 119 00:05:19,110 --> 00:05:20,987 So instead of looking for Titanic, 120 00:05:21,070 --> 00:05:22,905 I looked for its debris. 121 00:05:23,781 --> 00:05:26,409 When the Carpathia got the distress call, 122 00:05:26,492 --> 00:05:27,952 -it was down here. -JAMES: Yeah. 123 00:05:28,036 --> 00:05:29,829 ROBERT: Headed to the reported position. 124 00:05:29,912 --> 00:05:31,664 -JAMES: Ran into them early. Yeah. -ROBERT: Ahead of schedule. 125 00:05:31,748 --> 00:05:32,915 So I said, 126 00:05:32,999 --> 00:05:35,835 "What's the error of celestial navigation back then?" Five miles. 127 00:05:35,918 --> 00:05:37,295 So I said, "Let's go another five." 128 00:05:37,378 --> 00:05:38,713 It has to be to the north. 129 00:05:38,796 --> 00:05:40,673 JAMES (off screen): Yeah, right. So then you just run straight north? 130 00:05:40,757 --> 00:05:43,343 ROBERT (off screen): So I then, I run east-west lines across... 131 00:05:43,426 --> 00:05:45,053 -JAMES: The intersect... -ROBERT: Across, across the... 132 00:05:45,136 --> 00:05:47,972 the intersect, but space them 0.9 miles. 133 00:05:48,389 --> 00:05:50,516 And if I don't get it, interspace 'em at half. 134 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:52,185 JAMES: But you already knew that at that depth 135 00:05:52,268 --> 00:05:53,561 the debris field would be more than a mile. 136 00:05:53,644 --> 00:05:54,604 -ROBERT: Roughly a mile. -JAMES: Yeah. 137 00:05:54,687 --> 00:05:57,065 ROBERT: So I cheated a little, I said, "Let's do 0.9." 138 00:05:57,148 --> 00:05:58,107 JAMES: That's pretty smart. 139 00:05:58,191 --> 00:06:00,485 ROBERT: And then if I don't get it, I'll just interlace. 140 00:06:00,568 --> 00:06:01,402 JAMES: Yeah, right. 141 00:06:01,486 --> 00:06:03,529 ROBERT (off screen): So we began running lines back and forth 142 00:06:03,613 --> 00:06:06,824 and on the ninth line, hit the debris. 143 00:06:06,908 --> 00:06:07,742 -Well-- -JAMES: Did you know... 144 00:06:07,825 --> 00:06:09,702 You didn't know it was Titanic until you saw the boiler. 145 00:06:09,786 --> 00:06:11,287 ROBERT: No. We didn't... Correct. 146 00:06:11,371 --> 00:06:12,205 MAN: Wreckage. 147 00:06:12,288 --> 00:06:14,040 ROBERT: Bingo! Yeah! 148 00:06:14,123 --> 00:06:15,875 MAN: "Somebody ought to go get Bob..." 149 00:06:15,958 --> 00:06:18,669 ROBERT: For some reason that night, I just wasn't sleeping. 150 00:06:18,753 --> 00:06:20,046 And a knock on the door, 151 00:06:20,129 --> 00:06:22,840 this is now at 2:00 in the morning, 152 00:06:22,924 --> 00:06:24,217 and the cook stuck his head in, 153 00:06:24,300 --> 00:06:27,220 and he said, "The guys think you might want..." 154 00:06:27,303 --> 00:06:30,765 He didn't even finish the sentence and I was past him. 155 00:06:31,974 --> 00:06:34,185 And I got into the command center 156 00:06:34,268 --> 00:06:36,896 and just as I entered the command center, 157 00:06:37,438 --> 00:06:38,439 they went over the boiler. 158 00:06:38,523 --> 00:06:40,858 MAN 1: Boiler alert! I got boiler! 159 00:06:40,942 --> 00:06:41,859 MAN 2: Yes, yes. 160 00:06:41,943 --> 00:06:43,611 (laughter) 161 00:06:43,694 --> 00:06:47,448 ROBERT: We knew it wasn't any wreck, it was the Titanic. 162 00:06:47,532 --> 00:06:51,327 And it was like scoring the winning goal at the buzzer. 163 00:06:51,994 --> 00:06:54,705 So our reaction was jubilant, 164 00:06:55,289 --> 00:06:58,167 jumping up and down, celebrating. 165 00:07:00,211 --> 00:07:04,215 And then someone said, "She sinks in 20 minutes." 166 00:07:04,966 --> 00:07:07,593 And that innocent comment 167 00:07:08,469 --> 00:07:09,470 was devastating 168 00:07:09,554 --> 00:07:13,474 'cause what were we doing celebrating anything? 169 00:07:13,558 --> 00:07:14,725 We were embarrassed 170 00:07:15,143 --> 00:07:17,520 that we were dancing on someone's grave. 171 00:07:17,603 --> 00:07:21,023 So I just said, "Stop the ship, I'm going outside." 172 00:07:21,107 --> 00:07:24,694 We went out on the fantail and we had a private memorial. 173 00:07:25,528 --> 00:07:26,821 And that was it. 174 00:07:27,864 --> 00:07:29,115 JAMES: Everybody that dives Titanic 175 00:07:29,198 --> 00:07:31,242 has their own story of seeing it for the first time. 176 00:07:31,325 --> 00:07:34,328 And probably the most frequently asked question 177 00:07:34,412 --> 00:07:35,913 to me is, 178 00:07:35,997 --> 00:07:38,249 "What was it like seeing the wreck for the first time?" 179 00:07:38,332 --> 00:07:39,542 ROBERT: I get asked, "Hey, what was it like?" 180 00:07:39,625 --> 00:07:41,544 JAMES: And I always wanna tell them the story 181 00:07:41,627 --> 00:07:43,504 they want to hear, which was, 182 00:07:43,588 --> 00:07:45,339 there she was in, you know, 183 00:07:45,423 --> 00:07:49,510 this beautiful, stately ruin coming out of the darkness. 184 00:07:49,594 --> 00:07:51,012 -That's not what happened. -ROBERT: No. 185 00:07:51,095 --> 00:07:52,388 -JAMES: It's like a cliff. -ROBERT: Oh, I remember when we... 186 00:07:52,472 --> 00:07:55,224 This was where we came in, we landed here and... 187 00:07:55,308 --> 00:07:56,225 JAMES: It's a cliff. 188 00:07:56,309 --> 00:07:57,810 ROBERT: The, you know, the Wall of China... 189 00:07:57,894 --> 00:07:58,853 I mean, it's just a wall. 190 00:07:58,936 --> 00:08:01,564 And the first thing I recognized 191 00:08:02,106 --> 00:08:03,774 was the anti-fouling paint. 192 00:08:03,858 --> 00:08:05,276 -JAMES: Yeah, the red, the red paint, right? -ROBERT: It was pink. 193 00:08:05,359 --> 00:08:06,152 It was still pink. 194 00:08:06,235 --> 00:08:07,737 And I said, "Too bad they didn't paint the whole ship 195 00:08:07,820 --> 00:08:08,696 with that stuff." 196 00:08:08,779 --> 00:08:10,406 -JAMES: And the bilge keel was sitting on top of the sand. -ROBERT: Exactly. 197 00:08:10,490 --> 00:08:12,283 -JAMES: Back, back here. -ROBERT: It was right, right there. 198 00:08:12,366 --> 00:08:13,951 And then, the pilot, he said, "We gotta go." 199 00:08:14,035 --> 00:08:14,869 JAMES: Yeah. 200 00:08:14,952 --> 00:08:18,289 ROBERT: So he dropped his weights and then we began our ascent. 201 00:08:18,372 --> 00:08:19,665 But then these eyes... 202 00:08:19,749 --> 00:08:21,417 JAMES: Yeah, which is your lights kicking back. 203 00:08:21,501 --> 00:08:23,794 ROBERT: Your lights, all the eyes of the Ti... 204 00:08:23,878 --> 00:08:25,922 Like, the people in, were looking at us. 205 00:08:26,005 --> 00:08:27,632 -JAMES: Did you get spooked? -ROBERT: It was spooky, yeah. 206 00:08:27,715 --> 00:08:29,467 -'Cause we were now in free ascent. -JAMES: Yeah. 207 00:08:29,550 --> 00:08:32,011 ROBERT: There was no... You couldn't stop, you dropped all your weights. 208 00:08:32,094 --> 00:08:34,722 And it was just all these eyes and then we cleared it. 209 00:08:34,805 --> 00:08:36,098 It was amazing. 210 00:08:36,807 --> 00:08:38,809 JAMES: That's pretty much what it looked like to me 211 00:08:38,893 --> 00:08:41,521 the first time, except we were down here someplace. 212 00:08:41,604 --> 00:08:44,065 And we came in on her, right about here. 213 00:08:44,148 --> 00:08:46,734 -ROBERT: Yeah. -JAMES: And we had come across this bermed-up mud. 214 00:08:46,817 --> 00:08:47,693 ROBERT: Yeah, yeah. 215 00:08:47,777 --> 00:08:50,655 -JAMES: He came up and we just cleared here. -ROBERT: Yeah, all right. 216 00:08:50,738 --> 00:08:52,240 -JAMES: And then we wound up sitting up here. -ROBERT: Yeah. 217 00:08:52,323 --> 00:08:53,741 JAMES: But there's also nothing cooler 218 00:08:53,824 --> 00:08:55,743 than coming up on her from the, from the... 219 00:08:55,826 --> 00:08:57,662 -ROBERT: Yeah. That was our second... -JAMES: That's the money shot. 220 00:08:57,745 --> 00:08:58,996 ROBERT: And that's the money shot looking up. 221 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,832 JAMES: We did it for fake in the movie, 222 00:09:01,916 --> 00:09:06,045 and it's the transition shot where it goes into 1912. 223 00:09:06,420 --> 00:09:09,340 So we come past, past Old Rose's face. 224 00:09:09,423 --> 00:09:12,468 We come to that shot of the stem, the vertical bow, 225 00:09:12,552 --> 00:09:15,012 and then we-we transition into 1912 226 00:09:15,096 --> 00:09:17,348 where we crane up over it and we see the whole ship. 227 00:09:17,431 --> 00:09:19,976 (indistinct shouting) 228 00:09:20,059 --> 00:09:21,727 MAN: Come on, get a rope. 229 00:09:30,152 --> 00:09:31,946 JAMES: You won't find bodies at Titanic. 230 00:09:32,029 --> 00:09:33,447 Uh, you won't find skeletons, 231 00:09:33,531 --> 00:09:35,658 the bones actually dissolve into solution 232 00:09:35,741 --> 00:09:37,326 very rapidly at that depth. 233 00:09:37,410 --> 00:09:39,537 What anybody who's explored the wreck finds 234 00:09:39,620 --> 00:09:40,955 is pairs of shoes. 235 00:09:44,667 --> 00:09:47,712 ROBERT (off screen): Takes years for a skeleton to vanish, 236 00:09:47,795 --> 00:09:51,132 but the shoes, treated with tannic acid, 237 00:09:52,008 --> 00:09:53,134 they won't eat 'em. 238 00:09:53,217 --> 00:09:56,095 So all around the Titanic are the shoes. 239 00:10:03,060 --> 00:10:04,937 There's a scene where we were filming 240 00:10:05,646 --> 00:10:09,025 and we came across a pair of women's shoes. 241 00:10:09,108 --> 00:10:10,067 JAMES: Yeah. 242 00:10:10,151 --> 00:10:12,528 ROBERT: Next to a pair of girl's shoes. These were people. 243 00:10:12,612 --> 00:10:13,738 JAMES: These were people whose shoes 244 00:10:13,821 --> 00:10:15,948 -got to the bottom on people. -Those double, double... 245 00:10:16,032 --> 00:10:17,617 -ROBERT: They were in their cabin... -JAMES: Yeah. 246 00:10:17,700 --> 00:10:19,827 ROBERT: ...because the cabin was all around them, 247 00:10:19,910 --> 00:10:20,911 the destruction of it. 248 00:10:20,995 --> 00:10:22,705 And there was a hand mirror... 249 00:10:22,788 --> 00:10:24,165 -JAMES: Yeah, yeah. -ROBERT: ...next to them. 250 00:10:24,248 --> 00:10:27,126 And a comb and then a bone comb. 251 00:10:27,209 --> 00:10:30,546 So I can imagine her holding the mirror 252 00:10:30,630 --> 00:10:32,340 as her mother combed her hair 253 00:10:32,423 --> 00:10:34,008 -and then put the bone comb... -JAMES: You create a whole... 254 00:10:34,091 --> 00:10:35,843 You create a whole story. This is the human element. 255 00:10:35,926 --> 00:10:38,304 This is what people touched, it's what they lived with. 256 00:10:38,387 --> 00:10:39,221 ROBERT: Amazing. 257 00:10:46,312 --> 00:10:47,730 JAMES: It's pretty daunting when you see 258 00:10:47,813 --> 00:10:48,814 all the names all at once. 259 00:10:48,898 --> 00:10:50,858 -DON: Exactly. I mean... -JAMES: How many people? 260 00:10:50,941 --> 00:10:53,277 DON: In this? 1,496 people. 261 00:10:54,153 --> 00:10:56,697 You know, imagine all of these people out there in the ocean. 262 00:10:56,781 --> 00:10:59,659 This is the crowd that was floating at sea. 263 00:11:02,828 --> 00:11:06,040 JAMES (off screen): Yeah, you get so into the forensics of it. 264 00:11:06,123 --> 00:11:07,750 -DON (off screen): Yeah, yes. -JAMES: You know, and, uh... 265 00:11:07,833 --> 00:11:09,251 studying the wreck and the breakup 266 00:11:09,335 --> 00:11:11,337 of the wreck and discovering the artifacts and so on, 267 00:11:11,420 --> 00:11:15,299 you really lose sight of the human tragedy sometimes. 268 00:11:15,383 --> 00:11:17,426 I know, I know that that was an epiphany for me 269 00:11:17,510 --> 00:11:19,303 when I was there at the wreck the first time, 270 00:11:20,262 --> 00:11:21,722 you know, how that hit me. 271 00:11:22,306 --> 00:11:23,891 And I'd been studying it for months, 272 00:11:23,974 --> 00:11:25,351 you know, but it wasn't, 273 00:11:25,434 --> 00:11:27,937 now it wasn't at a remove, it wasn't a myth anymore. 274 00:11:28,020 --> 00:11:29,063 These were real people. 275 00:11:29,146 --> 00:11:30,022 KEN: Yeah, yeah. 276 00:11:30,106 --> 00:11:31,691 DON: Everybody had a family somewhere 277 00:11:31,774 --> 00:11:33,359 that's probably affected to this day. 278 00:11:36,737 --> 00:11:37,822 -JAMES: Hi, Paul. -DON: Paul is the... 279 00:11:37,905 --> 00:11:40,074 PAUL: Great-grandson of Isidor and Ida Straus. 280 00:11:40,157 --> 00:11:41,075 JAMES: I know their story well. 281 00:11:43,494 --> 00:11:44,620 I wanted to meet with the families 282 00:11:44,704 --> 00:11:47,039 of Titanic victims and survivors, 283 00:11:47,123 --> 00:11:50,042 to hear their stories and learn how they felt 284 00:11:50,126 --> 00:11:52,461 about how I depicted their ancestors. 285 00:11:52,837 --> 00:11:54,338 I started with Paul Kurzman. 286 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,216 His great-grandfather Isidor Straus 287 00:11:57,299 --> 00:11:58,676 was a self-made millionaire 288 00:11:58,759 --> 00:12:00,302 and a former congressman. 289 00:12:00,386 --> 00:12:04,473 He and his wife, Ida, chose to die together on the Titanic. 290 00:12:04,557 --> 00:12:06,350 PAUL: The story, as you know so well, 291 00:12:06,851 --> 00:12:08,978 is that she got into a lifeboat. 292 00:12:09,061 --> 00:12:10,521 Women and children did, 293 00:12:10,604 --> 00:12:13,149 and expected her husband, Isidor, to follow. 294 00:12:13,232 --> 00:12:14,108 JAMES: To come in, yeah. 295 00:12:14,191 --> 00:12:17,111 PAUL: And he said, "I will not enter a lifeboat 296 00:12:17,194 --> 00:12:20,531 "until I see that all the women and children onboard 297 00:12:20,614 --> 00:12:21,782 are in lifeboats." 298 00:12:21,866 --> 00:12:22,742 And she said... 299 00:12:22,825 --> 00:12:23,826 IDA: No! 300 00:12:24,702 --> 00:12:27,037 We've been together for 40 years. 301 00:12:27,121 --> 00:12:29,498 And where you go, I go. 302 00:12:29,582 --> 00:12:31,625 Don't argue with me, Isidor. 303 00:12:32,501 --> 00:12:34,044 You know it does no good. 304 00:12:34,128 --> 00:12:37,548 PAUL: "We will be on the ship together as it goes down. 305 00:12:38,048 --> 00:12:41,927 We will die as we have lived, together." 306 00:12:43,345 --> 00:12:45,389 When they found Isidor's body, 307 00:12:45,473 --> 00:12:49,727 they found a locket with initials, Isidor Straus. 308 00:12:50,853 --> 00:12:54,982 -Here is a picture of their eldest son, Jesse. -JAMES: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 309 00:12:55,065 --> 00:12:58,652 PAUL: And here is a picture of their eldest daughter, Sara. 310 00:12:58,736 --> 00:13:00,154 -JAMES: Your grandmother. -PAUL: My grandmother. 311 00:13:00,237 --> 00:13:01,322 JAMES: Your grandmother. 312 00:13:02,156 --> 00:13:03,491 So, that's what he... 313 00:13:03,574 --> 00:13:05,785 That's what he kept close to his heart. 314 00:13:05,868 --> 00:13:10,164 PAUL: And this is the most precious item in my life. 315 00:13:10,247 --> 00:13:12,416 JAMES: Right. That's powerful. That's powerful. 316 00:13:13,292 --> 00:13:15,002 PAUL: When the end of the film came, 317 00:13:15,085 --> 00:13:16,378 I didn't wanna move. 318 00:13:16,462 --> 00:13:17,880 I didn't wanna leave the theater. 319 00:13:17,963 --> 00:13:19,924 -JAMES: Well, thanks. -PAUL: I was captured. 320 00:13:20,007 --> 00:13:22,092 It was really the accuracy, 321 00:13:22,176 --> 00:13:24,720 the work that you did as director toward 322 00:13:24,804 --> 00:13:26,680 ensuring authenticity of the film. 323 00:13:26,764 --> 00:13:27,807 JAMES (off screen): It wasn't just me, though. 324 00:13:27,890 --> 00:13:30,351 It wasn't just me, because once we had dived to the wreck, 325 00:13:30,434 --> 00:13:31,769 everybody who came aboard, 326 00:13:31,852 --> 00:13:34,230 production designer, costume designer, 327 00:13:34,313 --> 00:13:37,441 everyone felt that we had to live up to that standard. 328 00:13:39,235 --> 00:13:40,194 Twenty years ago, 329 00:13:40,277 --> 00:13:43,489 we tried to bring Titanic to life without compromise. 330 00:13:44,031 --> 00:13:46,784 We did the best we could with the information we had. 331 00:13:47,117 --> 00:13:50,496 But since then, I've made 33 dives to the wreck site 332 00:13:50,579 --> 00:13:53,582 and I've discovered surprising new things about the ship 333 00:13:53,666 --> 00:13:56,836 and solved mysteries that have puzzled explorers for decades. 334 00:13:57,336 --> 00:13:59,088 (people screaming) 335 00:14:02,883 --> 00:14:04,218 JAMES: For the movie Titanic, 336 00:14:04,301 --> 00:14:06,053 we unearthed every known photograph, 337 00:14:06,136 --> 00:14:08,347 poured over architectural drawings, 338 00:14:08,764 --> 00:14:10,474 and built our ship rivet by rivet, 339 00:14:11,016 --> 00:14:13,435 making sure everything was in its rightful place, 340 00:14:13,811 --> 00:14:16,355 as was known back in 1996. 341 00:14:17,106 --> 00:14:19,567 Today at the Reagan Library Exhibit, 342 00:14:19,650 --> 00:14:21,402 we'll look back at some of our film sets 343 00:14:21,485 --> 00:14:24,655 armed with ROV footage from my 33 dives to the wreck 344 00:14:24,738 --> 00:14:25,948 to see what we got right 345 00:14:26,031 --> 00:14:26,991 and what we didn't. 346 00:14:28,033 --> 00:14:28,993 (Rose laughs) 347 00:14:29,076 --> 00:14:31,078 ROSE: It's quite proper, I assure you. 348 00:14:31,161 --> 00:14:32,580 This is the sitting room. 349 00:14:34,582 --> 00:14:38,460 JAMES: Wow. So they've completely rebuilt the set. 350 00:14:38,544 --> 00:14:40,462 You know, I haven't seen this since we made the film 351 00:14:40,546 --> 00:14:41,630 -20 years ago. -KEN: Isn't this great? 352 00:14:41,714 --> 00:14:42,965 JAMES: It's great, yeah. 353 00:14:43,048 --> 00:14:45,676 This was like one of our first couple days of shooting. 354 00:14:45,759 --> 00:14:47,052 And one of the very first things 355 00:14:47,136 --> 00:14:50,055 that Kate Winslet and Leonardo had to do were, 356 00:14:50,723 --> 00:14:51,640 you know, get naked. 357 00:14:51,724 --> 00:14:52,600 (Ken laughing) 358 00:14:52,683 --> 00:14:56,979 JAMES: We were inspired by this Regency motif 359 00:14:57,062 --> 00:14:58,564 that was known to be on Olympic 360 00:14:58,647 --> 00:15:01,775 and known to be on Titanic in other rooms, 361 00:15:01,859 --> 00:15:03,527 and we placed it into the... 362 00:15:03,611 --> 00:15:05,321 A portside millionaire's suite, 363 00:15:05,404 --> 00:15:06,655 -the three-room suite. -KEN: Yes. Yes. 364 00:15:06,739 --> 00:15:07,907 JAMES (off screen): Because nobody knew what was in there. 365 00:15:07,990 --> 00:15:09,074 KEN (off screen): We didn't know that at the time. 366 00:15:09,158 --> 00:15:11,243 JAMES (off screen): I was working in what was not known. 367 00:15:11,327 --> 00:15:13,454 The crazy thing about all this 368 00:15:14,246 --> 00:15:15,956 is we made the movie in '96, 369 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:21,587 and in 2005 we got into the Straus suite on B deck, 370 00:15:21,670 --> 00:15:23,589 and it looked just like the fake set that we have built. 371 00:15:23,672 --> 00:15:25,299 KEN: The most excited I've ever seen you. 372 00:15:25,382 --> 00:15:27,885 JAMES: Oh, man. That, that was, like, I was geeking out. 373 00:15:27,968 --> 00:15:29,803 Oh, say, it's not the clock. 374 00:15:29,887 --> 00:15:31,388 MAN: It's... It looks like a clock to me. 375 00:15:31,472 --> 00:15:33,223 JAMES (off screen): Say it, it's not the clock on the mantel. 376 00:15:33,307 --> 00:15:34,308 Oh, my God! 377 00:15:34,391 --> 00:15:35,601 MAN (off screen): And look at the, the woodwork. 378 00:15:35,684 --> 00:15:36,644 JAMES (off screen): This is outrageous. 379 00:15:36,727 --> 00:15:37,811 It was just sitting there. 380 00:15:37,895 --> 00:15:39,813 KEN It was utterly surreal. 381 00:15:39,897 --> 00:15:43,776 JAMES: It was like a little bubble of perfect preservation. 382 00:15:43,859 --> 00:15:44,860 KEN: Oh, it's unbelievable. 383 00:15:44,944 --> 00:15:46,528 If you wrote a screenplay with that, 384 00:15:46,612 --> 00:15:48,447 it's almost, you know, like, pushing it. 385 00:15:48,530 --> 00:15:49,698 Yeah, sure, the clock's gonna 386 00:15:49,782 --> 00:15:50,824 still be sitting on the mantel. 387 00:15:50,908 --> 00:15:52,242 -JAMES: It was. -KEN: Of course it was attached 388 00:15:52,326 --> 00:15:54,870 for heavy seas in the North Atlantic, but that it, 389 00:15:54,954 --> 00:15:56,997 that nothing hit it, that no furniture floating 390 00:15:57,081 --> 00:15:58,082 -around the room... -JAMES: Took it out. 391 00:15:58,165 --> 00:15:59,458 -JAMES: Or broke the glass. -KEN: Yeah. Exactly. 392 00:15:59,541 --> 00:16:02,211 PARKS: And that clock holds an important forensic clue. 393 00:16:02,294 --> 00:16:05,214 That clock has the time that this cabin flooded. 394 00:16:05,297 --> 00:16:06,131 JAMES: Right. 395 00:16:06,215 --> 00:16:07,508 PARKS: And we know the times 396 00:16:07,591 --> 00:16:09,802 on the chronometer on the bridge. 397 00:16:09,885 --> 00:16:12,221 So if we can get the time off that clock 398 00:16:12,304 --> 00:16:14,682 and match it to the time on the bridge chronometer, 399 00:16:14,765 --> 00:16:16,767 we have the rate of Titanic sinking. 400 00:16:17,226 --> 00:16:18,852 JAMES: You're telling me I got to go back down there? 401 00:16:18,936 --> 00:16:21,188 PARKS: Well, there's some muck on that thing. 402 00:16:21,271 --> 00:16:23,357 -We need to clean it off and see what it says. -JAMES: Yeah. 403 00:16:28,070 --> 00:16:30,739 OPERATOR: CQD? Sir? 404 00:16:32,866 --> 00:16:33,867 CAPTAIN SMITH: That's right, CQD. 405 00:16:33,951 --> 00:16:35,077 The distress call. 406 00:16:35,661 --> 00:16:36,495 That's our position. 407 00:16:41,625 --> 00:16:43,752 JAMES: When we shot the film in '96, 408 00:16:43,836 --> 00:16:45,921 this was based on the best information we had. 409 00:16:46,005 --> 00:16:46,797 -KEN: Mm-hmm. -PARKS: Right. 410 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:48,674 JAMES: There was one kind of funky, 411 00:16:48,757 --> 00:16:50,801 double-exposed picture. 412 00:16:50,884 --> 00:16:51,885 -KEN: Of Titanic. -JAMES: Yeah. 413 00:16:51,969 --> 00:16:54,430 And it showed kind of this area, as I recall. 414 00:16:54,513 --> 00:16:56,181 -KEN: And this is not in the photo. -JAMES: You didn't see any of that. 415 00:16:56,265 --> 00:16:58,308 You didn't see any of that. We assumed it was there... 416 00:16:58,392 --> 00:16:59,977 KEN: Because the Olympic photos showed it. 417 00:17:00,060 --> 00:17:01,228 JAMES: Yeah. So this was actually 418 00:17:01,311 --> 00:17:04,106 a pretty good reproduction of Olympic, 419 00:17:04,523 --> 00:17:06,859 and it turned out to be completely wrong for Titanic 420 00:17:06,942 --> 00:17:09,278 once we got in there with the ROV. 421 00:17:09,361 --> 00:17:10,946 So we kinda got this part right 422 00:17:11,030 --> 00:17:12,406 and we got this part completely wrong, 423 00:17:12,489 --> 00:17:14,491 'cause this is all actually in a separate room. 424 00:17:14,575 --> 00:17:15,826 The silent room, right? 425 00:17:16,326 --> 00:17:18,037 The thing is, these guys were heroes. 426 00:17:18,662 --> 00:17:20,372 I didn't have time to get it into the film, 427 00:17:20,456 --> 00:17:21,665 but the wireless operators 428 00:17:21,749 --> 00:17:23,375 were like the hackers of their day. 429 00:17:24,043 --> 00:17:26,754 The actions taken by operators, Bride and Phillips, 430 00:17:26,837 --> 00:17:28,547 saved hundreds of lives. 431 00:17:28,630 --> 00:17:30,215 PARKS: They lost power on the set 432 00:17:30,299 --> 00:17:31,633 the day before the disaster. 433 00:17:31,717 --> 00:17:33,469 The Marconi maintenance manual says 434 00:17:33,552 --> 00:17:35,888 in this situation, you leave it alone, 435 00:17:35,971 --> 00:17:39,016 -wait for a Marconi Engineer ashore to fix it. -JAMES: Yeah, yeah. 436 00:17:39,099 --> 00:17:42,269 PARKS: And you're gonna operate off this emergency coil here. 437 00:17:42,352 --> 00:17:43,145 JAMES: Yeah. 438 00:17:43,228 --> 00:17:46,106 Which is battery powered, which had zippo for range. 439 00:17:46,190 --> 00:17:48,567 PARKS: About 60, 70 miles theoretical range. 440 00:17:48,650 --> 00:17:49,443 JAMES: Yeah. 441 00:17:49,526 --> 00:17:53,322 PARKS: Which Carpathia was a little bit outside that range 442 00:17:53,405 --> 00:17:55,908 when she started to pick up Titanic's distress call. 443 00:17:55,991 --> 00:17:56,992 JAMES: And going in the other direction. 444 00:17:57,076 --> 00:17:59,912 So if they hadn't rebuilt the set, 445 00:17:59,995 --> 00:18:02,372 they wouldn't have been able to talk to Carpathia. 446 00:18:02,456 --> 00:18:03,415 PARKS: Probably not. 447 00:18:03,499 --> 00:18:05,626 JAMES: Carpathia saved over 700 people. 448 00:18:06,085 --> 00:18:07,836 The point is they wouldn't have been saved 449 00:18:08,170 --> 00:18:10,547 if these guys hadn't disobeyed the rules. 450 00:18:21,642 --> 00:18:23,185 JACK: So you wanna go to a real party? 451 00:18:24,686 --> 00:18:26,396 JAMES (off screen): So this is the grand staircase, 452 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:28,941 which we built it from the plans, 453 00:18:29,024 --> 00:18:30,943 the way they actually built the staircase. 454 00:18:31,026 --> 00:18:32,611 So the staircase has got a steel footing. 455 00:18:32,694 --> 00:18:35,114 Then when we sank the ship, it lifted. 456 00:18:35,197 --> 00:18:36,198 Wood is buoyant. 457 00:18:36,281 --> 00:18:39,451 It ripped off that footing and it all floated up. 458 00:18:39,535 --> 00:18:42,412 And it actually pinned two stunt players. 459 00:18:42,496 --> 00:18:43,914 Fortunately, they weren't hurt, 460 00:18:43,997 --> 00:18:45,916 but it was a pretty scary moment. 461 00:18:46,291 --> 00:18:49,128 When the wreck was first found, there was no staircase. 462 00:18:49,545 --> 00:18:50,629 And the assumption was made 463 00:18:50,712 --> 00:18:52,422 that there were little wood-boring mollusks 464 00:18:52,506 --> 00:18:53,632 that had eaten the whole thing. 465 00:18:54,007 --> 00:18:55,008 But then we couldn't figure out 466 00:18:55,092 --> 00:18:57,845 why all the columns and wall paneling, 467 00:18:57,928 --> 00:18:59,429 and everything on the D deck level 468 00:18:59,513 --> 00:19:00,806 and so on were still there. 469 00:19:00,889 --> 00:19:02,391 -KEN: And this is so substantial. -JAMES: It doesn't add up. 470 00:19:02,474 --> 00:19:03,809 KEN: I mean, this is solid oak. 471 00:19:03,892 --> 00:19:06,854 Oak is one of the strongest, densest woods. 472 00:19:06,937 --> 00:19:08,522 -JAMES: Yeah. -PARKS: And even if the wood had disappeared, 473 00:19:08,605 --> 00:19:10,399 where did all those iron balustrades go? 474 00:19:10,482 --> 00:19:11,400 JAMES: Yeah, exactly. 475 00:19:11,483 --> 00:19:12,943 So we went down and we looked around 476 00:19:13,026 --> 00:19:14,027 the bottom with the ROV, 477 00:19:14,111 --> 00:19:15,737 -we couldn't even find remnants. -PARKS: No. 478 00:19:15,821 --> 00:19:17,698 JAMES: We couldn't find remnants of the balustrades. 479 00:19:17,781 --> 00:19:20,409 We couldn't find remnants of the stairs or any of that stuff. 480 00:19:20,492 --> 00:19:23,787 So we thought, "Ah, it floated out." 481 00:19:24,621 --> 00:19:25,914 That was an interesting, you know, 482 00:19:25,998 --> 00:19:29,001 -kind of art-imitating life where... -DON: Yeah. 483 00:19:29,084 --> 00:19:30,961 -KEN: Exactly. JAMES: If we hadn't made the movie, we wouldn't have 484 00:19:31,044 --> 00:19:33,088 come to that answer, I don't think. 485 00:19:37,467 --> 00:19:39,845 (inaudible dialogue) 486 00:19:42,764 --> 00:19:44,683 Wandering through the Titanic Exhibit, 487 00:19:44,766 --> 00:19:47,853 it's hard not to feel haunted by the relics of the past, 488 00:19:48,312 --> 00:19:51,523 a deck chair, a gold pocket watch, 489 00:19:51,607 --> 00:19:53,150 a traveling coat. 490 00:19:53,233 --> 00:19:56,111 You feel the lost souls standing there beside you. 491 00:19:56,195 --> 00:19:58,405 And I felt that way making the movie as well. 492 00:19:59,239 --> 00:20:00,616 -DON: This is Jim Cameron. -JAMES: A pleasure to meet you. 493 00:20:00,699 --> 00:20:01,742 -DON: This is Jackie Drexel. -JACKIE: Very nice to meet you. 494 00:20:01,825 --> 00:20:03,160 DON (off screen): Her grandparents were John Jacob Astor 495 00:20:03,243 --> 00:20:04,536 -and Madeleine Astor. -JAMES: Sure, of course, yeah. 496 00:20:04,620 --> 00:20:06,830 DON: In the case of John Jacob Astor and Madeleine, 497 00:20:06,914 --> 00:20:08,916 here was the richest man on the Titanic 498 00:20:08,999 --> 00:20:10,000 with this brand-new wife 499 00:20:10,083 --> 00:20:11,960 and starting a new family and everything. 500 00:20:12,586 --> 00:20:14,254 JAMES: Jackie had a strong personality, 501 00:20:14,338 --> 00:20:16,006 and I saw kind of a through line 502 00:20:16,089 --> 00:20:19,343 in that spark of life that I imagine JJ Astor had. 503 00:20:19,426 --> 00:20:20,677 Thank you for joining us here. 504 00:20:20,761 --> 00:20:23,305 Your father, I believe, was in... 505 00:20:23,388 --> 00:20:24,223 JACQUELINE: Yes, five months. 506 00:20:24,306 --> 00:20:26,558 JAMES: ...in Madeleine Astor's abdomen at that point. 507 00:20:26,642 --> 00:20:27,517 She was five months pregnant. 508 00:20:27,601 --> 00:20:29,019 ROSE: His little wifey there, Madeleine, 509 00:20:29,102 --> 00:20:30,979 is my age and in a delicate condition. 510 00:20:31,063 --> 00:20:32,731 See how she's trying to hide it? 511 00:20:32,814 --> 00:20:34,733 JAMES: He seemed like a really interesting man. 512 00:20:34,816 --> 00:20:36,526 JACQUELINE: He's an absolutely fascinating man. 513 00:20:36,610 --> 00:20:40,405 He was more praised for dying as a hero, 514 00:20:40,489 --> 00:20:42,157 rather than the life that he actually led, 515 00:20:42,241 --> 00:20:43,367 which was quite amazing. 516 00:20:43,450 --> 00:20:44,368 JAMES: He had a curious mind. 517 00:20:45,494 --> 00:20:47,746 We shot a couple scenes around their story 518 00:20:47,829 --> 00:20:49,456 that got cut out of the movie. 519 00:20:49,539 --> 00:20:51,500 I was fascinated by the moment where he was cutting open 520 00:20:51,583 --> 00:20:53,502 the life preserver and seeing the cork 521 00:20:53,585 --> 00:20:55,128 and figuring out how the life preserver worked. 522 00:20:56,088 --> 00:20:58,006 -But this is what Madeleine wore. -JACQUELINE:She died at a young age. 523 00:20:58,090 --> 00:20:59,091 It looks tiny. 524 00:20:59,174 --> 00:21:01,718 JAMES: Yeah, well, this is, this-this life jacket 525 00:21:01,802 --> 00:21:04,096 kept her warm and maybe, maybe kept her alive. 526 00:21:04,179 --> 00:21:06,473 JACQUELINE: My father went to Halifax and he was offered that. 527 00:21:06,556 --> 00:21:09,017 And he said... He just couldn't even talk about it. 528 00:21:09,101 --> 00:21:10,352 -JAMES: Hmm. -JACQUELINE: Couldn't even think about it. 529 00:21:10,435 --> 00:21:11,353 JAMES: Too traumatic. 530 00:21:11,436 --> 00:21:12,729 JACQUELINE: They changed his life, 531 00:21:12,813 --> 00:21:14,898 and I think his mother was totally traumatized. 532 00:21:14,982 --> 00:21:16,233 JAMES: Yeah. 533 00:21:16,316 --> 00:21:19,278 JACQUELINE: Do you by any chance know how my grandfather died, 534 00:21:19,361 --> 00:21:21,613 and if the lifeboat number four 535 00:21:21,697 --> 00:21:24,741 that my grandmother was in, was close enough to have seen... 536 00:21:24,825 --> 00:21:26,576 JAMES: Have seen it? Well, I don't think they would've seen it. 537 00:21:26,660 --> 00:21:29,079 JACQUELINE: Because he died with the funnel collapsing. 538 00:21:29,162 --> 00:21:31,581 JAMES: It's thought because of the soot on his body. 539 00:21:33,709 --> 00:21:35,877 JACQUELINE: Your vision of the faces in the water 540 00:21:35,961 --> 00:21:39,631 gave just the most amazing chilling feeling. 541 00:21:39,715 --> 00:21:41,174 JAMES: I think one of my realizations 542 00:21:41,258 --> 00:21:43,176 after the film was released is that, 543 00:21:43,927 --> 00:21:45,429 you know, this isn't ancient history. 544 00:21:45,512 --> 00:21:46,638 This isn't 200 years ago. 545 00:21:47,139 --> 00:21:49,349 In trying to sell viscerally 546 00:21:49,433 --> 00:21:53,103 how traumatic it must have been for the survivors, 547 00:21:53,186 --> 00:21:55,564 including going back into that field of bodies, 548 00:21:55,647 --> 00:21:57,899 trying to find somebody still alive, 549 00:21:58,483 --> 00:21:59,985 you know, I probably wasn't as sensitive 550 00:22:00,068 --> 00:22:01,403 to how that might've felt to people 551 00:22:01,486 --> 00:22:04,281 whose families had been traumatized by the event. 552 00:22:04,364 --> 00:22:06,116 -JACQUELINE: I'd never thought about it before. -JAMES: Yeah. 553 00:22:06,199 --> 00:22:08,285 And then I saw it, and it really hit me. 554 00:22:12,581 --> 00:22:13,498 JAMES: The film Titanic 555 00:22:13,582 --> 00:22:15,876 depicted what we believed was an accurate portrayal 556 00:22:15,959 --> 00:22:17,669 of the ship's last hours. 557 00:22:17,753 --> 00:22:19,296 We showed it sinking bow-first, 558 00:22:19,379 --> 00:22:21,423 lifting the stern high in the air 559 00:22:21,506 --> 00:22:24,092 before its massive weight broke the vessel in two. 560 00:22:25,344 --> 00:22:27,304 Over the past 20 years, I've been trying to figure out 561 00:22:27,387 --> 00:22:28,513 if we got that right. 562 00:22:28,972 --> 00:22:30,849 I've dived to the wreck dozens of times 563 00:22:30,932 --> 00:22:32,392 and I brought in naval engineers 564 00:22:32,476 --> 00:22:35,270 to analyze all the complex variables at work. 565 00:22:36,104 --> 00:22:38,273 Now, I wanna take it to the next level, 566 00:22:38,648 --> 00:22:41,068 doing an actual, real-world physical test 567 00:22:41,151 --> 00:22:42,778 of the sinking that incorporates 568 00:22:42,861 --> 00:22:44,529 the new information we've gathered. 569 00:22:45,113 --> 00:22:46,865 Will it sink the way we portrayed it? 570 00:22:46,948 --> 00:22:47,991 I don't know. 571 00:22:48,075 --> 00:22:50,702 Our mission is to mirror the physics at work 572 00:22:50,786 --> 00:22:53,038 as best we can, and see what happens. 573 00:22:53,121 --> 00:22:54,998 PARKS: There's a gazillion theories floating around, 574 00:22:55,082 --> 00:22:56,041 there always have been. 575 00:22:56,124 --> 00:22:58,293 We wanna come up with a credible theory. 576 00:22:58,377 --> 00:22:59,961 JAMES: The whole purpose of this investigation 577 00:23:00,045 --> 00:23:03,048 is to understand, does this hang on or does it go away? 578 00:23:03,131 --> 00:23:04,633 I've been talking about the bow swinging down 579 00:23:04,716 --> 00:23:05,675 and breaking off for 20 years, 580 00:23:05,759 --> 00:23:06,760 but I never had any proof. 581 00:23:06,843 --> 00:23:09,721 It's just outside of science at this point. 582 00:23:10,055 --> 00:23:12,557 And I thought, we'll just build a model and break it. 583 00:23:12,641 --> 00:23:14,518 I, I have no way of saying 584 00:23:14,601 --> 00:23:15,811 that that is in fact what happened, 585 00:23:15,894 --> 00:23:18,605 but I'd like to be able to rule it in as a possibility. 586 00:23:18,688 --> 00:23:20,941 'Cause then, I don't have to remake the freakin' film. 587 00:23:21,024 --> 00:23:23,693 We're gonna be doing practical rigging with pyrotechnics, 588 00:23:24,194 --> 00:23:25,487 and sinking it in a tank. 589 00:23:25,570 --> 00:23:26,822 I immediately thought of Gene Warren. 590 00:23:27,406 --> 00:23:28,240 I've known him forever, 591 00:23:28,323 --> 00:23:30,617 we've done a few projects together over the years. 592 00:23:30,700 --> 00:23:33,787 GENE: Let's think about what would be the best way 593 00:23:33,870 --> 00:23:36,206 to help hold that up when this breaks. 594 00:23:36,289 --> 00:23:39,584 He wanted us to do a disaster forensics 595 00:23:39,668 --> 00:23:43,380 on really what happened when Titanic sank. 596 00:23:43,463 --> 00:23:44,548 CHRISTOPHER: Because water is water. 597 00:23:44,631 --> 00:23:47,384 Water doesn't change its dynamics. 598 00:23:47,467 --> 00:23:48,468 Let's see what the bow does. 599 00:23:48,552 --> 00:23:49,845 Let's see what the stern does, 600 00:23:49,928 --> 00:23:52,264 and recreate what might've happened. 601 00:23:52,347 --> 00:23:54,724 JAMES: I've been wanting to do this damn model test for a long time. 602 00:23:54,808 --> 00:23:56,810 I knew that trying to incorporate all the lessons 603 00:23:56,893 --> 00:23:58,019 we'd learned about the sinking 604 00:23:58,103 --> 00:24:00,063 into a single model test wouldn't be easy. 605 00:24:00,147 --> 00:24:01,440 Well, that's not what I believe happened. 606 00:24:01,523 --> 00:24:03,942 But I was about to find out just how hard it would be. 607 00:24:04,025 --> 00:24:05,360 You're not following what I'm saying. 608 00:24:07,612 --> 00:24:09,114 LOOKOUT: Iceberg right ahead! 609 00:24:11,700 --> 00:24:13,160 JAMES: For over 20 years, I've wondered 610 00:24:13,243 --> 00:24:15,412 why Titanic went down the way it did. 611 00:24:17,330 --> 00:24:18,540 In the movie, it breaks, 612 00:24:18,623 --> 00:24:21,084 and the stern falls back with a big wave, 613 00:24:21,168 --> 00:24:22,919 and then the bow pulls it down, 614 00:24:23,003 --> 00:24:24,754 and its stern stands up straight. 615 00:24:24,838 --> 00:24:27,007 And then the bow breaks off, sinks straight down, 616 00:24:27,090 --> 00:24:29,217 and that stern's sittin' there and it slowly goes down. 617 00:24:29,634 --> 00:24:31,136 It's a dramatic image, 618 00:24:31,219 --> 00:24:33,472 and as accurate as I could make it at the time. 619 00:24:34,389 --> 00:24:35,640 But I've never stopped trying to find out 620 00:24:35,724 --> 00:24:36,892 exactly what happened. 621 00:24:37,601 --> 00:24:40,145 PARKS: Over the years, our little analysis team 622 00:24:40,228 --> 00:24:43,023 has used a wide variety of source material 623 00:24:43,106 --> 00:24:45,984 in order to try and put together the pieces of the puzzle 624 00:24:46,067 --> 00:24:48,236 that is the sinking of the Titanic. 625 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,989 JAMES: We know from the wreck exactly where the steel broke. 626 00:24:51,072 --> 00:24:51,865 Right to the rivet. 627 00:24:51,948 --> 00:24:54,951 PARKS: Jim's exploration of the bow section 628 00:24:55,035 --> 00:24:57,496 has fine-tuned our understanding 629 00:24:57,579 --> 00:24:59,456 of what was going on during the flooding 630 00:24:59,539 --> 00:25:01,416 and during the descent to the ocean floor. 631 00:25:01,500 --> 00:25:03,627 JAMES: We got a mast that's knocked aft, 632 00:25:03,710 --> 00:25:06,755 all the B deck forward-facing windows... 633 00:25:07,589 --> 00:25:09,132 broken, broken, broken. 634 00:25:09,216 --> 00:25:11,426 To me, that all adds up to 635 00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:14,596 a very strong longitudinal flow over the ship. 636 00:25:14,679 --> 00:25:16,681 We see a consistent pattern 637 00:25:16,765 --> 00:25:20,769 of the effects of an almost hurricane-like flow of water 638 00:25:20,852 --> 00:25:23,271 from the front of the ship toward the back of the ship. 639 00:25:23,730 --> 00:25:24,773 That can only be explained 640 00:25:24,856 --> 00:25:27,192 by the ship sinking vertically straight down. 641 00:25:27,275 --> 00:25:29,277 A big piece of the keel, 70-feet long, 642 00:25:29,361 --> 00:25:32,113 two big frames of the double bottom 643 00:25:32,197 --> 00:25:34,032 were found way out in the debris field. 644 00:25:34,115 --> 00:25:35,909 They had been ripped off the ship. By what? 645 00:25:35,992 --> 00:25:38,119 Well, they'd been ripped off by the bow separating. 646 00:25:38,203 --> 00:25:41,665 PARKS: Bit by bit, putting all these little data points together, 647 00:25:41,748 --> 00:25:45,460 we're essentially able to reverse-engineer 648 00:25:45,544 --> 00:25:48,380 major key frames of the sinking. 649 00:25:48,463 --> 00:25:49,881 We engaged the United States Navy 650 00:25:49,965 --> 00:25:53,969 to build two computer simulation models of Titanic. 651 00:25:54,678 --> 00:25:56,680 One showed us how the water progressed 652 00:25:56,763 --> 00:25:57,889 through the ship as it sank. 653 00:25:57,973 --> 00:26:00,183 The other measures the stresses in the hull. 654 00:26:00,267 --> 00:26:01,601 And what it told us was, 655 00:26:01,685 --> 00:26:05,605 Titanic didn't need to rise 90 degrees out of the water. 656 00:26:05,689 --> 00:26:08,817 The model calculated approximately 23 degrees 657 00:26:08,900 --> 00:26:11,236 before peak stresses were realized 658 00:26:11,319 --> 00:26:12,779 in the structure and she broke. 659 00:26:12,862 --> 00:26:15,615 But for a ship the size of Titanic to sink, 660 00:26:16,032 --> 00:26:18,952 there's an unlimited number of variables 661 00:26:19,035 --> 00:26:20,203 going on during the sinking. 662 00:26:20,287 --> 00:26:23,164 The computer simulation would bear some of that out, 663 00:26:23,248 --> 00:26:24,708 but too many variables to nail down 664 00:26:24,791 --> 00:26:25,875 exactly what happened, 665 00:26:25,959 --> 00:26:27,752 so we got to try a different dimension, 666 00:26:27,836 --> 00:26:29,629 and that's where the physical model comes in. 667 00:26:29,713 --> 00:26:32,132 JAMES: Hydrodynamically, it's got to be pretty close 668 00:26:32,215 --> 00:26:33,800 to what the ship was, I think. 669 00:26:33,883 --> 00:26:35,343 It's a one-off model. 670 00:26:35,427 --> 00:26:37,679 It's not a 100% accurate in some of its fine details, 671 00:26:37,762 --> 00:26:39,681 but it was accurate in terms of the overall shape, 672 00:26:39,764 --> 00:26:42,058 which is all we really need for a hydrodynamic study. 673 00:26:42,142 --> 00:26:43,768 PARKS: The biggest part was 674 00:26:43,852 --> 00:26:46,563 having this model float and then sink, 675 00:26:46,646 --> 00:26:49,524 like we learned from all of our research gathering. 676 00:26:49,608 --> 00:26:51,359 -JAMES: It's a known length, right, 70 feet? -PARKS: Yes. 677 00:26:51,443 --> 00:26:53,236 JAMES: 70 feet from the break aft. 678 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:54,654 PARKS: From the breakpoint here. 679 00:26:54,738 --> 00:26:56,197 We knew that the model was gonna have to break, 680 00:26:56,281 --> 00:26:57,949 so we had to put in a mechanism 681 00:26:58,033 --> 00:27:00,493 that would allow it to break at the point 682 00:27:00,577 --> 00:27:03,747 where our computer simulation had indicated. 683 00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:05,665 JAMES: And so this is the hinge piece down here? 684 00:27:05,749 --> 00:27:07,208 GENE: The hinge is right here. 685 00:27:07,292 --> 00:27:09,794 JAMES: No, that's not what I'm calling a hinge piece. 686 00:27:09,878 --> 00:27:10,712 The hinge isn't here. 687 00:27:10,795 --> 00:27:11,921 The hinge is here. 688 00:27:12,005 --> 00:27:14,090 CHRISTOPHER: Jim, he'd given us some direction. 689 00:27:14,174 --> 00:27:16,343 Um, we kinda got it half-right, 690 00:27:16,426 --> 00:27:18,345 but he wanted the hinge in a different place. 691 00:27:18,428 --> 00:27:20,180 JAMES: It's what I call a banana theory, 692 00:27:20,263 --> 00:27:22,015 which is, as the ship broke, 693 00:27:22,098 --> 00:27:25,060 that keel, the strongest part of the ship held on. 694 00:27:25,143 --> 00:27:26,519 This falls back, and that's there, 695 00:27:26,603 --> 00:27:27,854 -and then it rips away. -PARKS: Mm-hmm. 696 00:27:27,937 --> 00:27:29,439 JAMES: That's your hinge piece. 697 00:27:29,522 --> 00:27:30,815 And as it ripped away, 698 00:27:30,899 --> 00:27:32,984 it formed almost like a third piece. 699 00:27:33,068 --> 00:27:35,862 The keel, it goes, grrsh, like that. 700 00:27:35,945 --> 00:27:38,281 No, don't take off yet, necessarily, necessarily. 701 00:27:38,365 --> 00:27:40,742 That's what we wanna understand. 702 00:27:40,825 --> 00:27:42,952 It's a kind of a proof of concept. 703 00:27:43,036 --> 00:27:45,747 We can never prove what actually happened. 704 00:27:46,122 --> 00:27:48,541 We can only prove what might have happened. 705 00:27:48,625 --> 00:27:51,252 The hydrodynamic forces on this 706 00:27:51,336 --> 00:27:53,880 were enough to snap the mast aft, 707 00:27:53,963 --> 00:27:55,632 blow the wheelhouse off. 708 00:27:55,715 --> 00:27:57,133 PARKS: Jim came in and looked at it, 709 00:27:57,217 --> 00:27:59,052 and what he did not see 710 00:27:59,135 --> 00:28:01,680 is the water flow that accounts 711 00:28:01,763 --> 00:28:04,015 for a lot of the damage that we've seen at the wreck. 712 00:28:04,099 --> 00:28:05,892 So he's directed some changes 713 00:28:05,975 --> 00:28:08,311 so that we can truly remove 714 00:28:08,395 --> 00:28:11,022 any latent buoyancy left in the bow. 715 00:28:11,106 --> 00:28:13,566 We didn't have all the interior walls and everything 716 00:28:13,650 --> 00:28:15,985 that would have slowed down the rate of flooding. 717 00:28:16,069 --> 00:28:20,240 So, we used a combination of sponges and foam, 718 00:28:20,323 --> 00:28:22,200 foam to provide buoyancy, 719 00:28:22,283 --> 00:28:24,994 sponges to provide a delaying factor 720 00:28:25,078 --> 00:28:27,664 in how quickly a space will fill up with water when it's flooding. 721 00:28:27,747 --> 00:28:29,833 JAMES: It's all very catastrophic right in here 722 00:28:29,916 --> 00:28:32,627 and very fast, which is the equivalent of this 723 00:28:32,711 --> 00:28:34,963 wicking the water in rapidly. 724 00:28:35,046 --> 00:28:38,007 PARKS: Each successive run was basically 725 00:28:38,091 --> 00:28:39,592 a fine-tuning of the model 726 00:28:39,676 --> 00:28:42,345 to where we would see it perform 727 00:28:42,429 --> 00:28:44,431 the way that we knew it had to. 728 00:28:44,514 --> 00:28:45,807 JAMES: Haven't we sunk this damn ship yet? 729 00:28:45,890 --> 00:28:47,559 CHRISTOPHER: Believe it or not, we're doing actually exactly... 730 00:28:47,642 --> 00:28:48,768 We're doing the banana peel. 731 00:28:48,852 --> 00:28:50,437 JAMES: Okay. Let's see what we got. 732 00:28:54,441 --> 00:28:55,984 That thing's buoyant, so that's no good. 733 00:28:56,067 --> 00:28:57,444 It needs to be negative. 734 00:28:58,027 --> 00:28:59,362 PARKS: Then we came up with another problem, 735 00:28:59,446 --> 00:29:02,991 when the ship breaks, it loses buoyancy. 736 00:29:03,074 --> 00:29:04,909 Our buoyancy was foam. 737 00:29:05,368 --> 00:29:08,204 We couldn't just make it disappear when it broke. 738 00:29:08,288 --> 00:29:10,331 So we had to come up with a method 739 00:29:10,665 --> 00:29:14,210 to have the foam work its own way out of the hull 740 00:29:14,294 --> 00:29:17,464 to simulate the loss of buoyancy after the break. 741 00:29:17,547 --> 00:29:20,091 If they tried to adjust flotation in this 742 00:29:20,175 --> 00:29:23,636 so that the break happened where it's always been filmed, 743 00:29:24,387 --> 00:29:25,597 it's too high out of the water. 744 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,766 JAMES: Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. We definitely got that wrong. 745 00:29:27,849 --> 00:29:30,560 CHRISTOPHER: At that point, it became a team effort. 746 00:29:30,643 --> 00:29:32,771 JAMES: I would drill up this area, right? 747 00:29:32,854 --> 00:29:35,106 This should all be packed with sponge up in here. 748 00:29:35,190 --> 00:29:36,357 CHRISTOPHER: He jumped in with us like 749 00:29:36,441 --> 00:29:39,736 we were at Roger Corman days, like he was in his 20s again. 750 00:29:39,819 --> 00:29:41,696 JAMES: So, we'll probably have to cut these up, all right? 751 00:29:41,780 --> 00:29:43,990 There we were, back rigging stuff together, 752 00:29:44,073 --> 00:29:45,450 and doing tape and soldering 753 00:29:45,533 --> 00:29:46,743 and all the things that you do. 754 00:29:46,826 --> 00:29:48,369 That wasn't setting the wayback machine 755 00:29:48,453 --> 00:29:50,079 for 20 years ago on Titanic. 756 00:29:50,163 --> 00:29:53,124 That was setting it back to the early '80s for me. 757 00:29:53,208 --> 00:29:54,667 CHRISTOPHER: You've done this before. 758 00:29:54,751 --> 00:29:55,960 JAMES: A few times. 759 00:29:56,878 --> 00:29:58,671 I've blown my share of (bleep) up. 760 00:29:58,755 --> 00:30:01,132 We started to figure out how to do it in a way 761 00:30:01,216 --> 00:30:05,345 that we fine-tune the breakup by changing the timing. 762 00:30:05,428 --> 00:30:08,348 We could have the stern fall back more or fall back less, 763 00:30:08,431 --> 00:30:10,308 have the bow swing down more or swing down less. 764 00:30:11,726 --> 00:30:13,353 When we did our computer simulation, 765 00:30:13,436 --> 00:30:15,897 there was a moment where the stresses on the ship 766 00:30:15,980 --> 00:30:18,650 exceeded the strength of the material. 767 00:30:19,317 --> 00:30:21,027 And that's when it should have broken. 768 00:30:21,611 --> 00:30:24,489 And that happened when the ship tilted to 23 degrees. 769 00:30:25,114 --> 00:30:27,534 So when we sank the ship at 23 degrees, 770 00:30:27,992 --> 00:30:29,953 it seemed to do everything that was observed. 771 00:30:30,036 --> 00:30:31,871 We said it broke at 23 degrees. 772 00:30:31,955 --> 00:30:35,083 We were actually breaking at around 25, 26 degrees, 773 00:30:35,166 --> 00:30:36,334 according to this crude test. 774 00:30:36,417 --> 00:30:38,419 But I mean, I think, you know, it's telling us something. 775 00:30:38,503 --> 00:30:39,796 We're homing in on this. 776 00:30:39,879 --> 00:30:42,507 And in fact, that was even increased when it broke, 777 00:30:42,590 --> 00:30:44,801 the stern kinda popped up a little bit 778 00:30:44,884 --> 00:30:46,219 and you could kinda see the break. 779 00:30:46,302 --> 00:30:47,887 And the bow swung down 780 00:30:47,971 --> 00:30:49,722 and detached and fell vertically. 781 00:30:49,806 --> 00:30:52,517 So we feel pretty comfortable that it was somewhere between 782 00:30:53,017 --> 00:30:56,354 maybe 20 and 30 degrees of tilt when it broke. 783 00:30:56,437 --> 00:30:57,397 MAN: All right, here we go. 784 00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:58,731 JAMES: Let's do it, let's roll. 785 00:31:01,901 --> 00:31:03,862 All right, so props are clear. 786 00:31:06,197 --> 00:31:08,741 And it breaks right at the waterline. 787 00:31:08,825 --> 00:31:10,618 -It's up a little bit. -CHRISTOPHER: Ah, sweet. Sweet. 788 00:31:13,788 --> 00:31:16,374 JAMES: Swings down, pulls the stern more vertical. 789 00:31:16,457 --> 00:31:18,877 That's the banana model. Check that out. 790 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,170 Touchdown! 791 00:31:21,713 --> 00:31:23,631 PARKS: We did see some scenarios played out 792 00:31:23,715 --> 00:31:25,466 almost exactly as it was filmed. 793 00:31:25,967 --> 00:31:27,844 The stern going under vertically, 794 00:31:28,428 --> 00:31:30,430 giving Jack and Rose a few moments, 795 00:31:30,513 --> 00:31:31,639 right there at the fantail. 796 00:31:32,056 --> 00:31:34,267 JAMES: As the stern came up and went vertical, 797 00:31:34,350 --> 00:31:36,769 it always turned almost 90 degrees. 798 00:31:37,145 --> 00:31:38,813 And that's exactly what people saw. 799 00:31:39,188 --> 00:31:41,065 Now people describe it standing up like, uh, 800 00:31:41,149 --> 00:31:43,735 like a tower or like a finger pointing at the sky 801 00:31:44,068 --> 00:31:45,445 and that's exactly what we saw. 802 00:31:45,528 --> 00:31:48,156 Yes! Vertical stern! 803 00:31:48,239 --> 00:31:49,866 Yes! 804 00:31:49,949 --> 00:31:52,118 It's not like we did a battery of a hundred runs 805 00:31:52,201 --> 00:31:53,536 with a very precision model. 806 00:31:53,620 --> 00:31:56,956 But I think it does show what is possible to have happened. 807 00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,334 I think what we're seeing is there's a range, right? 808 00:31:59,417 --> 00:32:01,794 You can get it to where the stern falls back. 809 00:32:02,462 --> 00:32:05,965 But then it doesn't go vertical when it goes under. 810 00:32:06,049 --> 00:32:08,134 When we found out that you can have the stern sink vertically 811 00:32:08,217 --> 00:32:11,930 and you can have the stern fall back with a big splash, 812 00:32:12,013 --> 00:32:13,264 but you can't have both. 813 00:32:13,348 --> 00:32:16,434 So the film is wrong on one point or the other. 814 00:32:16,517 --> 00:32:20,146 I tend to think it's wrong on the fall back of the stern, 815 00:32:20,521 --> 00:32:23,650 because of what we see at the bow of the wreck. 816 00:32:25,777 --> 00:32:28,446 There are about five or six instances 817 00:32:28,529 --> 00:32:30,573 of hydrodynamic effects, 818 00:32:30,657 --> 00:32:32,325 and there's only one way that can happen. 819 00:32:32,408 --> 00:32:35,662 It swung down, and it shot off like a bomb 820 00:32:35,745 --> 00:32:36,955 dropping straight down. 821 00:32:37,038 --> 00:32:39,707 So I think we can rule in the possibility 822 00:32:40,124 --> 00:32:41,501 of a vertical stern sinking, 823 00:32:41,584 --> 00:32:43,461 and I think we can rule out the possibility 824 00:32:43,544 --> 00:32:46,172 of it both falling back and then going vertical. 825 00:32:46,255 --> 00:32:48,341 We were sort of half-right in the movie. 826 00:32:48,424 --> 00:32:50,009 PARKS: With each thing that we try, 827 00:32:50,093 --> 00:32:51,511 each step that we take, 828 00:32:51,594 --> 00:32:53,346 I think we're getting closer and closer 829 00:32:53,429 --> 00:32:55,056 to what actually did happen that night. 830 00:32:55,139 --> 00:32:56,224 JAMES: Okay, let's do it again. 831 00:32:56,307 --> 00:32:57,684 That was perfect. Let's do it again. 832 00:32:57,767 --> 00:32:59,143 (laughter) 833 00:32:59,227 --> 00:33:02,063 I'm constantly fascinated by the engineering, 834 00:33:02,146 --> 00:33:03,773 the hardware, the forensics, 835 00:33:03,856 --> 00:33:06,901 and I'll get very excited about the ideas, you know. 836 00:33:07,235 --> 00:33:09,362 You always have to kinda grab yourself 837 00:33:09,445 --> 00:33:11,364 by the scruff of your neck and remind yourself 838 00:33:11,447 --> 00:33:13,282 what happened there was a real tragedy 839 00:33:13,741 --> 00:33:14,867 that happened to real people, 840 00:33:14,951 --> 00:33:17,203 and it still resonates down through time 841 00:33:17,286 --> 00:33:18,579 in this very powerful way. 842 00:33:19,455 --> 00:33:21,708 Sometimes you forget that in the moment, 843 00:33:21,791 --> 00:33:24,085 but I try never to forget it for very long. 844 00:33:24,168 --> 00:33:26,587 Our scale model sinking took only seconds. 845 00:33:26,671 --> 00:33:28,840 In real life, the passengers and crew 846 00:33:28,923 --> 00:33:31,175 had about an hour and a half to escape. 847 00:33:31,718 --> 00:33:33,720 More than two-thirds of them didn't make it. 848 00:33:34,387 --> 00:33:36,139 Which brings up another controversy, 849 00:33:36,472 --> 00:33:38,266 could more people have been saved? 850 00:33:40,601 --> 00:33:43,604 ROSE: Mr. Andrews, forgive me. 851 00:33:44,230 --> 00:33:45,773 I did the sum in my head, 852 00:33:45,857 --> 00:33:47,692 and with the number of lifeboats 853 00:33:47,775 --> 00:33:49,986 times the capacity you mentioned, 854 00:33:50,069 --> 00:33:52,530 forgive me, but it seems that there are not enough 855 00:33:52,613 --> 00:33:53,573 for everyone aboard. 856 00:33:54,449 --> 00:33:55,658 ANDREWS: About half, actually. 857 00:33:56,367 --> 00:33:57,702 JAMES: Titanic carried 20 lifeboats, 858 00:33:57,785 --> 00:33:59,412 but they only managed to launch 18 859 00:33:59,495 --> 00:34:00,788 in an hour and a half. 860 00:34:00,872 --> 00:34:01,789 Now we've all been told 861 00:34:01,873 --> 00:34:03,332 that if the ship carried more boats, 862 00:34:03,416 --> 00:34:04,917 more lives could have been saved. 863 00:34:05,001 --> 00:34:06,961 But would that really have made a difference? 864 00:34:07,462 --> 00:34:10,590 Could the crew have launched more boats in the time they had? 865 00:34:11,382 --> 00:34:13,051 I've wondered about this for a long time, 866 00:34:13,134 --> 00:34:15,303 and we never tested it until now. 867 00:34:17,221 --> 00:34:20,433 PARKS: So what we did was we took a replica lifeboat 868 00:34:20,516 --> 00:34:22,060 left over from the movie 869 00:34:22,143 --> 00:34:25,188 with a set of davits mounted on top of a platform 870 00:34:25,271 --> 00:34:26,856 that was tall enough to represent 871 00:34:26,939 --> 00:34:28,900 the height of the promenade deck, 872 00:34:28,983 --> 00:34:30,359 boat deck being up on top. 873 00:34:30,443 --> 00:34:34,113 Got a crew to man and lower the lifeboat 874 00:34:34,197 --> 00:34:36,616 so that we could see how long it took. 875 00:34:37,658 --> 00:34:39,327 We figured that it would take about two minutes 876 00:34:39,410 --> 00:34:41,454 to roll the canvas back on these lifeboats. 877 00:34:41,537 --> 00:34:43,539 OFFICER: Roll back that cover! Roll back that cover! 878 00:34:43,623 --> 00:34:45,583 PARKS: So we preset our clock to two minutes. 879 00:34:48,961 --> 00:34:50,922 JAMES: Okay, so the ropes are in, 880 00:34:51,005 --> 00:34:52,590 and you guys know what to do, right, 881 00:34:52,673 --> 00:34:54,217 -to get them flaked out on the deck. -DON: Yes. 882 00:34:54,300 --> 00:34:56,385 JAMES: You gonna do that, sort of there and there 883 00:34:56,469 --> 00:34:57,553 so we need to stay out of this. 884 00:34:57,637 --> 00:34:58,763 MAN: We can put it right there. 885 00:34:58,846 --> 00:35:00,223 Well, put it where you would've done it 886 00:35:00,306 --> 00:35:02,016 -if you were really on the ship. -MAN: Okay. 887 00:35:02,100 --> 00:35:03,559 JAMES: And if we're in your way, then move us out of the way 888 00:35:03,643 --> 00:35:05,520 'cause we're curious passengers, 889 00:35:06,145 --> 00:35:07,814 and you're having to yell at us to get out of the way. 890 00:35:07,897 --> 00:35:10,066 Politely, of course, 'cause we're also, you know, 891 00:35:10,149 --> 00:35:14,237 rich passengers in the first class area of Titanic. 892 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,031 So, when we say go, 893 00:35:17,532 --> 00:35:20,243 ready the boat and then tell us when it's ready, okay? 894 00:35:20,326 --> 00:35:21,619 MAN: Bring lines on deck. 895 00:35:22,662 --> 00:35:23,955 PARKS: Clock is running. 896 00:35:38,761 --> 00:35:39,679 MAN: Remove cradle. 897 00:35:42,849 --> 00:35:44,433 Swing boat out. 898 00:35:47,770 --> 00:35:49,605 JAMES: Yeah, you can see how geared down it is 899 00:35:49,689 --> 00:35:50,648 on that leadscrew. 900 00:35:50,731 --> 00:35:53,151 It takes a lot of cranks to get that davit to move 901 00:35:53,568 --> 00:35:54,861 just a few feet. 902 00:35:54,944 --> 00:35:56,445 MAN: Keel cleared, keep cranking. 903 00:35:56,529 --> 00:35:58,197 PARKS: The other thing you notice is... 904 00:35:58,281 --> 00:36:00,074 Was the voice commands by the officer 905 00:36:00,158 --> 00:36:01,492 coordinating the two sides. 906 00:36:01,576 --> 00:36:03,536 And in the beginning with that steam going off, 907 00:36:04,537 --> 00:36:05,872 they're gonna have trouble hearing. 908 00:36:05,955 --> 00:36:06,998 JAMES: Somebody would have to yell back and forth 909 00:36:07,081 --> 00:36:08,624 or somebody would just have to see 910 00:36:08,958 --> 00:36:11,752 the other guys working and just imitate, 911 00:36:11,836 --> 00:36:12,962 'cause they couldn't hear anything. 912 00:36:20,553 --> 00:36:21,679 MAN: Okay, good. 913 00:36:24,891 --> 00:36:26,017 Lower boat to embarkation deck. 914 00:36:26,851 --> 00:36:28,644 PARKS: So, at what point do they start loading? 915 00:36:28,728 --> 00:36:30,062 JAMES: So they're going to lower it down 916 00:36:30,146 --> 00:36:31,272 to the edge of the boat deck. 917 00:36:31,355 --> 00:36:32,732 PARKS: 'Cause then you just step into it. 918 00:36:32,815 --> 00:36:34,025 -JAMES: Right. -PARKS: You wanna step into it. 919 00:36:34,108 --> 00:36:36,152 You do not want them stepping over, if you can avoid it. 920 00:36:36,235 --> 00:36:38,738 MAN: Hold it! Secure the boat. 921 00:36:38,821 --> 00:36:39,697 JAMES: Okay. 922 00:36:40,198 --> 00:36:41,365 All right, stop the clock. 923 00:36:41,699 --> 00:36:42,950 PARKS: Eight minutes and 30 seconds. 924 00:36:43,034 --> 00:36:44,577 JAMES: Eight minutes and 30 seconds. 925 00:36:44,994 --> 00:36:46,537 Now we're gonna have to just estimate 926 00:36:46,621 --> 00:36:47,413 the loading time. 927 00:36:47,496 --> 00:36:48,414 PARKS: The key here is, is that 928 00:36:48,497 --> 00:36:50,333 you don't know how much time you have, 929 00:36:50,416 --> 00:36:51,751 you've never practiced this. 930 00:36:51,834 --> 00:36:53,753 JAMES: But just as a baseline, let's get some values 931 00:36:53,836 --> 00:36:56,255 -for how long it takes to do each part of the operation. -DON: Yeah, exactly. 932 00:36:56,339 --> 00:37:01,177 JAMES: So I think you're probably looking at a-a time that varied. 933 00:37:01,260 --> 00:37:03,095 Initially it was probably slower, 934 00:37:03,179 --> 00:37:04,722 as people were reticent, 935 00:37:04,805 --> 00:37:06,474 and then later as they got more desperate, 936 00:37:06,557 --> 00:37:07,391 it probably sped up. 937 00:37:07,475 --> 00:37:08,434 -Let's say ten minutes. -DON: Okay. 938 00:37:08,517 --> 00:37:09,477 -Let's say ten minutes. -PARKS: Yeah. 939 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,396 JAMES: Okay. That put us up to 18 and a half minutes. 940 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:13,564 Now let's see how long it takes us 941 00:37:13,648 --> 00:37:14,815 to lower one deck level. 942 00:37:14,899 --> 00:37:16,192 PARKS: And clock running. 943 00:37:16,275 --> 00:37:18,819 MAN: Ready. Okay, lower. 944 00:37:21,489 --> 00:37:23,616 DON: All right, it jerks its way down. And look at the... 945 00:37:23,699 --> 00:37:25,660 JAMES: You can see how jerky it is even now, not loaded. 946 00:37:26,577 --> 00:37:29,163 It'd be like three times that when it was fully loaded. 947 00:37:29,247 --> 00:37:30,456 That'd make it a lot harder to lower. 948 00:37:38,005 --> 00:37:40,174 -MAN 1: Okay, hold it. -MAN 2: Okay. 949 00:37:40,258 --> 00:37:41,467 PARKS: Stopping the clock. 950 00:37:42,593 --> 00:37:44,178 -JAMES: So what was that? -PARKS: Just shy of two minutes. 951 00:37:44,262 --> 00:37:45,096 JAMES: Just shy of two minutes. 952 00:37:45,179 --> 00:37:47,056 Okay, so that's two minutes to go ten feet. 953 00:37:47,556 --> 00:37:49,058 It's another 50 feet to the water, 954 00:37:49,141 --> 00:37:51,060 so we have to add another ten minutes. 955 00:37:51,143 --> 00:37:53,646 So that's 30 minutes, 30 seconds. 956 00:37:53,729 --> 00:37:55,106 PARKS: And they were working simultaneously. 957 00:37:55,189 --> 00:37:57,984 JAMES: They were loading passengers in 958 00:37:58,067 --> 00:37:59,777 while they were cranking out the next boat. 959 00:38:00,194 --> 00:38:02,780 Then our times can telescope somewhat. 960 00:38:02,863 --> 00:38:04,824 When you start multiplying it out, 961 00:38:04,907 --> 00:38:06,575 it should have taken more like two hours. 962 00:38:06,659 --> 00:38:09,161 From the time the lifeboats were ordered launched, 963 00:38:09,245 --> 00:38:10,746 you had about an hour and a half. 964 00:38:10,830 --> 00:38:12,290 PARKS: However they managed it, 965 00:38:12,373 --> 00:38:15,501 they had just enough time to get those boats off. 966 00:38:15,584 --> 00:38:17,086 -JAMES: Not quite enough time. -PARKS: Yeah, not quite. 967 00:38:17,169 --> 00:38:18,754 JAMES: The truth is the last two boats, 968 00:38:18,838 --> 00:38:21,382 the last two collapsibles were washed off the ship. 969 00:38:21,465 --> 00:38:22,591 They did not have time. 970 00:38:23,759 --> 00:38:25,803 It's actually pretty amazing that they managed to launch 971 00:38:25,886 --> 00:38:27,596 as many lifeboats as they did. 972 00:38:28,097 --> 00:38:29,598 And what made it even more challenging 973 00:38:29,682 --> 00:38:32,518 was that in the final stages of Titanic sinking, 974 00:38:32,601 --> 00:38:33,811 the lifeboats were being launched 975 00:38:33,894 --> 00:38:35,229 right on top of each other. 976 00:38:35,938 --> 00:38:37,398 To avoid being crushed, 977 00:38:37,481 --> 00:38:39,608 men were cutting the ropes connected to the davits 978 00:38:39,692 --> 00:38:41,152 with pocket knives. 979 00:38:41,235 --> 00:38:43,571 I mean, I want to see for myself how difficult that was. 980 00:38:44,780 --> 00:38:46,198 Well, let's raise up one end of the boat, 981 00:38:46,282 --> 00:38:47,074 in contact. 982 00:38:47,158 --> 00:38:49,410 MAN 1: About one inch out of the cradle. 983 00:38:49,493 --> 00:38:51,245 -And then they want to cut one of the ropes. -MAN 2: Okay. 984 00:38:51,329 --> 00:38:52,496 JAMES: No, I was thinking more like a foot. 985 00:38:52,580 --> 00:38:53,622 -Let's do an action shot. -MAN 1: A foot? 986 00:38:56,208 --> 00:38:57,877 JAMES: Let's raise it up a foot, guys. 987 00:38:59,378 --> 00:39:01,213 All right, so who's gonna do the honors? 988 00:39:01,297 --> 00:39:03,966 -MAN: What, somebody has to go onto the boat? -JAMES: I'll do it. I'll do it. 989 00:39:04,633 --> 00:39:06,469 PARKS: Whatever happens, Jim, we'll get it on film. 990 00:39:07,094 --> 00:39:07,928 JAMES: Exactly. 991 00:39:08,512 --> 00:39:09,972 -PARKS: Let's go. -MAN: Clock running. 992 00:39:10,056 --> 00:39:11,307 JAMES: All right. 993 00:39:11,390 --> 00:39:14,101 Jeez, is this an actual knife? 994 00:39:14,185 --> 00:39:16,562 -DON: It-it should have been a really sharp knife. -JAMES: And it's sharp. 995 00:39:16,645 --> 00:39:18,481 PARKS: We do know this type of knife was used. 996 00:39:18,564 --> 00:39:20,483 JAMES: All right, I'm gonna go with your expertise. 997 00:39:21,025 --> 00:39:22,401 I think I probably would cut faster 998 00:39:22,485 --> 00:39:23,819 if my life depended on it. 999 00:39:25,696 --> 00:39:27,239 -That's promising. -DON: We're getting close. 1000 00:39:28,616 --> 00:39:29,700 JAMES: Ah, jeez. 1001 00:39:29,784 --> 00:39:31,869 You imagine, like, 50 people screaming. 1002 00:39:31,952 --> 00:39:33,662 -DON: Yeah. -JAMES: Water coming up. 1003 00:39:33,746 --> 00:39:35,373 DON: There's a boat coming down on your head, don't forget. 1004 00:39:35,456 --> 00:39:36,499 JAMES: Yeah, that too. 1005 00:39:36,582 --> 00:39:38,250 It's gonna get dramatic here in a second. 1006 00:39:38,334 --> 00:39:39,502 DON: I can hear it. 1007 00:39:40,461 --> 00:39:41,754 JAMES: All right, that's promising. 1008 00:39:44,799 --> 00:39:45,758 (groans) 1009 00:39:48,344 --> 00:39:50,471 Beauty. And we're free. 1010 00:39:50,554 --> 00:39:51,430 DON: Yeah. 1011 00:39:52,556 --> 00:39:54,558 -JAMES: So how long did that take? -MAN: 1.40. 1012 00:39:54,642 --> 00:39:56,185 JAMES: I would say if my life depended on it, 1013 00:39:56,268 --> 00:39:57,895 I could probably shave about 30 seconds off that. 1014 00:39:58,854 --> 00:40:00,106 And you go for a ride. 1015 00:40:03,818 --> 00:40:05,611 I think if you had more lifeboats on that ship, 1016 00:40:05,694 --> 00:40:07,196 they would've just gotten in the way 1017 00:40:07,279 --> 00:40:09,156 and it might've cost hundreds of lives. 1018 00:40:14,328 --> 00:40:17,081 OLD ROSE (off screen): At Cherbourg, a woman came aboard 1019 00:40:17,164 --> 00:40:18,666 named Margaret Brown, 1020 00:40:18,999 --> 00:40:20,584 but we all called her Molly. 1021 00:40:21,043 --> 00:40:24,547 History would call her the Unsinkable Molly Brown. 1022 00:40:24,630 --> 00:40:26,674 MOLLY: Well, I wasn't about to wait all day for you, sonny. 1023 00:40:26,757 --> 00:40:28,342 -MAN: Yes. -MOLLY: Here, if you think you can manage. 1024 00:40:28,426 --> 00:40:29,343 MAN: Yes, ma'am. 1025 00:40:29,427 --> 00:40:30,761 JAMES: Margaret Brown was one of the most 1026 00:40:30,845 --> 00:40:32,847 famous survivors of the Titanic. 1027 00:40:33,305 --> 00:40:35,766 Her warmth and strength after the disaster 1028 00:40:35,850 --> 00:40:37,393 became part of the legend. 1029 00:40:37,476 --> 00:40:40,479 Margaret Brown, Molly Brown as the world knows her, 1030 00:40:41,188 --> 00:40:43,149 uh, was obviously quite a character. 1031 00:40:43,816 --> 00:40:45,025 She sounded like a real pistol, 1032 00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:46,152 I would have loved to have met her. 1033 00:40:46,235 --> 00:40:48,237 It seems like you got a little bit of her, 1034 00:40:48,571 --> 00:40:51,031 her gene of vivaciousness. 1035 00:40:51,115 --> 00:40:52,825 MUFFET: Oh, that's nice of you to say. 1036 00:40:52,908 --> 00:40:54,285 She was intelligent. 1037 00:40:54,368 --> 00:40:56,579 She had like that emotional intelligence 1038 00:40:56,662 --> 00:40:57,621 -to read the situations. -JAMES: Yeah. 1039 00:40:57,705 --> 00:40:59,540 MUFFET: And I-I really like that. 1040 00:40:59,623 --> 00:41:01,917 JAMES: The fact that she was in boat six with, uh, 1041 00:41:02,001 --> 00:41:03,502 with the guy that was at the helm 1042 00:41:03,586 --> 00:41:04,837 when they hit the iceberg, 1043 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:06,338 the guy that was in the crow's nest 1044 00:41:06,422 --> 00:41:07,715 who should have spotted the iceberg 1045 00:41:07,798 --> 00:41:09,175 maybe a little bit sooner. 1046 00:41:09,258 --> 00:41:11,010 And then the helmsman, Hichens, 1047 00:41:11,093 --> 00:41:12,344 he refused to go back 1048 00:41:12,428 --> 00:41:14,013 and got into a real tussle with her. 1049 00:41:14,096 --> 00:41:16,056 MOLLY: There's plenty of room for more! 1050 00:41:16,140 --> 00:41:17,725 HICHENS: And there'll be one less on this boat 1051 00:41:17,808 --> 00:41:20,978 if you don't shut that hole in your face! 1052 00:41:22,771 --> 00:41:26,525 MUFFET: I like to say that my great grandmother's story 1053 00:41:26,942 --> 00:41:29,111 starts where your movie left off. 1054 00:41:29,195 --> 00:41:31,572 -JAMES: Ah, well... -MUFFET: Because later in the night 1055 00:41:31,655 --> 00:41:35,826 she actually took over that boat. 1056 00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:36,994 JAMES: Right. 1057 00:41:37,077 --> 00:41:39,246 MUFFET: Actually using the same threat 1058 00:41:39,330 --> 00:41:41,081 that Hichens had used on her 1059 00:41:41,165 --> 00:41:42,583 that, "If you interfere 1060 00:41:42,666 --> 00:41:46,045 "with us doing what I think we need to do right now, 1061 00:41:46,462 --> 00:41:47,963 I'm gonna throw you overboard." 1062 00:41:48,047 --> 00:41:49,757 HICHENS: You don't understand. 1063 00:41:50,508 --> 00:41:52,760 If we go back, they'll swamp the boat! 1064 00:41:52,843 --> 00:41:54,470 They'll pull us right down, I'm telling ya! 1065 00:41:54,553 --> 00:41:56,847 MOLLY: Knock it off. You're scaring me. 1066 00:41:56,931 --> 00:42:01,310 MUFFET: And they told me that he had said during his lifetime, 1067 00:42:02,186 --> 00:42:06,190 "Mrs. Brown could have gotten into any boat that night, 1068 00:42:06,273 --> 00:42:08,651 -why did she have to step in mine?" -JAMES: "Why did she get in mine?" 1069 00:42:08,734 --> 00:42:09,777 (James laughing) 1070 00:42:09,860 --> 00:42:11,987 Well, she was very confronting with him. 1071 00:42:12,071 --> 00:42:14,114 He was at the helm when the ship hit an iceberg. 1072 00:42:21,539 --> 00:42:23,374 (people screaming) 1073 00:42:26,460 --> 00:42:28,754 MUFFET: So, now I've learned a little bit more 1074 00:42:28,837 --> 00:42:29,880 about my ancestor, 1075 00:42:29,964 --> 00:42:32,299 but is there anything that 1076 00:42:32,383 --> 00:42:34,260 you would really like to have changed now 1077 00:42:34,343 --> 00:42:36,428 that this much time has gone by, 1078 00:42:36,512 --> 00:42:38,764 or based on reaction from the movie, or... 1079 00:42:38,847 --> 00:42:40,140 JAMES: Well, you know, it's interesting, 1080 00:42:40,224 --> 00:42:43,352 I think that meeting people such as yourselves 1081 00:42:43,435 --> 00:42:44,395 who are connected, 1082 00:42:44,478 --> 00:42:46,272 whose families are connected to the event, 1083 00:42:46,355 --> 00:42:48,482 really made me appreciate something that I don't think 1084 00:42:48,566 --> 00:42:50,734 I quite realized when I was making the film. 1085 00:42:50,818 --> 00:42:51,902 Yes, I knew it was history, 1086 00:42:51,986 --> 00:42:54,113 but I wasn't as sensitive to the families, 1087 00:42:54,196 --> 00:42:55,948 I don't think, the descendants, 1088 00:42:56,031 --> 00:42:59,034 and how that story meant so much to them 1089 00:42:59,368 --> 00:43:03,789 and in the case of First Officer William McMaster Murdoch, 1090 00:43:03,872 --> 00:43:07,167 I took the liberty of showing him 1091 00:43:07,251 --> 00:43:10,462 shoot somebody and then shoot himself. 1092 00:43:10,546 --> 00:43:11,964 -(gunshot) -(people screaming) 1093 00:43:14,842 --> 00:43:17,511 JAMES: He's a named character, he wasn't a generic officer, 1094 00:43:17,595 --> 00:43:19,305 we don't know that he did that, 1095 00:43:19,388 --> 00:43:21,473 but, you know, the storyteller in me says, 1096 00:43:21,557 --> 00:43:23,434 "Oh, I start connecting the dots. 1097 00:43:23,517 --> 00:43:27,104 He was on duty, he's carrying all this burden with him," 1098 00:43:27,187 --> 00:43:28,564 made him an interesting character, 1099 00:43:28,647 --> 00:43:29,857 but I was being a screenwriter, 1100 00:43:29,940 --> 00:43:32,484 I wasn't thinking about being a historian. 1101 00:43:32,568 --> 00:43:34,194 And I think I wasn't as sensitive 1102 00:43:34,278 --> 00:43:36,614 about the fact that his family is, 1103 00:43:36,697 --> 00:43:40,284 that his survivors might feel offended by that, 1104 00:43:40,367 --> 00:43:41,327 and they were. 1105 00:43:41,410 --> 00:43:43,203 -MUFFET: Mm-hmm. -JAMES: And, uh... 1106 00:43:43,287 --> 00:43:44,872 you know, I-I feel like 1107 00:43:44,955 --> 00:43:48,500 I should have made him more of a generic character than... 1108 00:43:48,584 --> 00:43:50,044 And just... Then it could have been 1109 00:43:50,127 --> 00:43:51,629 any one of a number of people 1110 00:43:51,712 --> 00:43:53,547 who were at that place at that time. 1111 00:43:53,631 --> 00:43:54,840 CAPTAIN: What was that, Mr. Murdoch? 1112 00:43:56,342 --> 00:43:57,509 MURDOCH: An iceberg, sir. 1113 00:44:00,304 --> 00:44:02,181 JAMES: When we would go out on an expedition, 1114 00:44:02,264 --> 00:44:04,642 we'd wait until 11:40 at night, 1115 00:44:04,725 --> 00:44:07,019 which was the moment the ship hit the iceberg, 1116 00:44:07,353 --> 00:44:08,937 right at that exact spot 1117 00:44:09,605 --> 00:44:11,982 and we'd go out onto the bow of the research ship 1118 00:44:12,316 --> 00:44:15,611 and we'd raise a glass in honor of the passengers 1119 00:44:15,694 --> 00:44:18,030 and the crew of the RMS Titanic. 1120 00:44:18,822 --> 00:44:21,992 And so, I would just like to propose a toast to you, 1121 00:44:22,576 --> 00:44:27,581 the descendants and the representatives of that history. 1122 00:44:27,665 --> 00:44:30,376 And thank you for sharing it with us. 1123 00:44:30,918 --> 00:44:33,003 So, to your ancestors. 1124 00:44:34,004 --> 00:44:36,340 These are people that have grown up with Titanic 1125 00:44:36,423 --> 00:44:37,549 in their family. 1126 00:44:37,633 --> 00:44:40,302 And it's kind of always looming over them 1127 00:44:40,386 --> 00:44:42,096 and it, and it means something to them. 1128 00:44:42,179 --> 00:44:44,348 And in some ways it's defined them 1129 00:44:44,431 --> 00:44:47,476 to an entire global community 1130 00:44:47,559 --> 00:44:49,978 of Titanic enthusiasts and historians, 1131 00:44:50,062 --> 00:44:52,981 these people are passing on the torch 1132 00:44:53,065 --> 00:44:54,483 of what their family knows. 1133 00:44:55,484 --> 00:44:56,777 ROSE: To making it count. 1134 00:45:00,698 --> 00:45:01,990 DON: Jim Cameron's Titanic 1135 00:45:02,074 --> 00:45:04,368 was beyond anybody's expectations. 1136 00:45:04,451 --> 00:45:06,078 We knew when we were working on it, 1137 00:45:06,161 --> 00:45:07,496 it was going to be epic. 1138 00:45:07,579 --> 00:45:09,456 What a great setting for a love story, 1139 00:45:09,540 --> 00:45:12,793 this fantastic shipwreck that has fascinated people 1140 00:45:12,876 --> 00:45:14,086 for decades anyway, 1141 00:45:14,169 --> 00:45:16,922 presented so vividly and so accurately. 1142 00:45:17,005 --> 00:45:19,508 JAMES: To go back there is to risk being pulled down 1143 00:45:19,591 --> 00:45:21,677 into that icy water with them. 1144 00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:23,429 So it's really a choice between 1145 00:45:23,804 --> 00:45:26,014 your lives and their lives. 1146 00:45:26,473 --> 00:45:29,017 KEN: James Cameron brought Titanic back to life 1147 00:45:29,101 --> 00:45:30,269 as I have tried to do 1148 00:45:30,352 --> 00:45:32,229 through my entire life with my paintings 1149 00:45:32,312 --> 00:45:34,356 and you can't put enough value on that. 1150 00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,692 ROBERT: I knew the old lady in her grave, 1151 00:45:36,775 --> 00:45:38,569 that's the Titanic I knew. 1152 00:45:38,652 --> 00:45:41,321 Jim showed me this beautiful young woman, 1153 00:45:41,405 --> 00:45:43,574 we sailors tend to think of ships as women. 1154 00:45:43,657 --> 00:45:45,534 He showed me that beautiful ship. 1155 00:45:45,617 --> 00:45:46,618 I just loved it. 1156 00:45:47,161 --> 00:45:49,830 PARKS: That movie used Titanic as a stage 1157 00:45:49,913 --> 00:45:51,623 to tell a teenage love story. 1158 00:45:51,707 --> 00:45:54,001 It wasn't meant to be a historical narrative, 1159 00:45:54,084 --> 00:45:57,629 but it created a passion in Jim 1160 00:45:57,713 --> 00:46:00,466 to follow up that movie with actual expeditions 1161 00:46:00,549 --> 00:46:01,592 to the actual wreck 1162 00:46:01,675 --> 00:46:04,553 and because of that continued interest 1163 00:46:04,636 --> 00:46:07,723 that goes way beyond a feature film, 1164 00:46:07,806 --> 00:46:10,934 we have made discoveries and learned things 1165 00:46:11,018 --> 00:46:13,437 that have actually changed the history 1166 00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,397 and our understanding of Titanic. 1167 00:46:15,731 --> 00:46:19,067 JAMES: I just really was fascinated by Titanic, 1168 00:46:19,151 --> 00:46:21,236 the story, the archaeology of it 1169 00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:22,279 and just wanted to know more. 1170 00:46:23,322 --> 00:46:24,656 What happened that night, 1171 00:46:24,740 --> 00:46:27,242 in terms of the final moments of the ship and the breakup, 1172 00:46:27,326 --> 00:46:28,577 the way it sank. 1173 00:46:28,660 --> 00:46:30,704 We will never know exactly what happened, 1174 00:46:31,163 --> 00:46:33,832 but we can say what is possible to have happened. 1175 00:46:34,666 --> 00:46:37,002 Titanic wasn't just a story. 1176 00:46:37,085 --> 00:46:38,170 This was something real. 1177 00:46:38,253 --> 00:46:40,172 This really happened to real people. 1178 00:46:40,255 --> 00:46:44,468 And we need to honor those that died and their families. 1179 00:46:44,551 --> 00:46:47,262 I think it's important for filmmakers to, 1180 00:46:47,346 --> 00:46:49,056 to understand that responsibility 1181 00:46:49,139 --> 00:46:50,182 and actually get it right. 1182 00:46:50,265 --> 00:46:51,266 -Captioned by Point.360.