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Previously on "The Rookie"...
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That's Aaron Thorsen.
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Rich kid.
TikTok famous
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before he got arrested for
murdering his roommate in Paris.
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I was locked in a cell for 541 days.
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The person who murdered Patrick,
he's still out there,
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and no one is looking for him
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because they still think that I did it.
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I don't want to be a part of
this reality TV show.
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Sweetie, it's only gonna help you.
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I'm Morris Mackey. I'm
the reality TV producer here.
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I just want to say,
this has been so fascinating.
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I love true crime,
and to be in a documentary,
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it's just...
it's a dream come true.
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Thank you.
Thank you.
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♪ ♪
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NOLAN:
Do I just...?
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You're back.
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INTERVIEWER: Another crazy story,
how could I stay away?
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Thank you.
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- You good to go?
- Um, yeah.
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Where should I, uh...
Where should I start?
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Why don't you, uh, tell me
about Aaron Thorsen?
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Well, Aaron came to the F.T.O. program
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with the deck stacked against him.
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He had to sue the LAPD
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even to get into the Academy.
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I mean, you have to respect
just how hard he fought
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just to be here.
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Uh...
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But what happened in Paris,
never left him,
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no matter how hard he tried to move on.
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People would argue that doing
a reality show
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is the opposite of moving on.
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Well, those people haven't experienced
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what it's like to be infamous.
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I mean, Aaron was,
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desperate to reset the
way the world saw him.
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And it all blew up in his face.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, it really did.
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♪ ♪
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[GUNSHOTS]
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[PEOPLE SHOUTING]
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[GLASS SHATTERS]
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[INDISTINCT SHOUTING]
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AARON: I can't believe this
is happening to me again.
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INTERVIEWER: It's nice to see you again.
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Mm-hmm.
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And congratulations, on the baby.
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Thank you.
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Did being pregnant make
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what you went through
with Aaron more stressful?
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Not here to talk about me.
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Fair enough.
Uh, let's talk about
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the reality show.
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Okay.
It was his mom's idea.
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It was a way to rebrand his image.
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And what did you think of the title?
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No comment.
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Seriously, though.
You have to have had an opinion...
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Listen, you're not gonna get me
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to say that dumbass title,
so let's just move on.
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[UP-TEMPO HIP-HOP MUSIC PLAYS]
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♪ ♪
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[CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICKING]
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[HANDCUFFS CLICKING]
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[CELL DOOR CLOSING]
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♪ ♪
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[ENGINE REVVING]
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♪ ♪
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Yeah, so back there is my parents' room
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and the family room.
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Um... Oh,
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right here, this is my favorite photo.
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I was 6.
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And you might recognize my dad.
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He was part of a '90s rap duo,
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Flex n' Flow.
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That's them right here.
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[RAPPING]
♪ Party's never stoppin' ♪
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♪ Who the boys that make the noise? ♪
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- ♪ Flex n' Flow, yo, Flex n' Flow ♪
- Yeah, man,
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when I was a kid, I used to love
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riding my tricycle up and down
this hallway.
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Until he knocked over my Music
Industry Achievement Award
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and broke it.
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Aaron tried to put it back
together with Play-Doh,
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thinking we wouldn't notice.
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But that's my son,
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always trying to get
away with something.
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Not anymore.
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I mean, now he's...
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Very responsible.
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Over here, we got my childhood bedroom.
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[DOG BARKING]
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What the hell?
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Hey, I never had
this picture of Patrick.
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Did you put this here?
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MORRIS: We just thought it'd be
a nice surprise.
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Man, Morris, what the hell
did I tell you, man,
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about faking stuff like this?
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Relax.
Uh, not a big deal.
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We just wanted to do it for a take.
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- Yeah, man, that's not cool.
- You know what? You're right.
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My bad.
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We'll, we'll do it again,
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but without the photo.
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Okay.
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Yeah, okay.
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Got that?
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Morris was white-hot from doing
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several award-winning
documentaries in a row.
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The king of those "30 Under 30" lists.
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He had a real gift
for earning people's trust,
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convincing them,
that he was on their side,
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that, they have a say on the final cut.
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Then, surprise!
They didn't.
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[BABY COOING]
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Hey.
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Sorry, I, uh, totally forgot
this was happening today.
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We just started.
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Uh, don't forget to tell him
about the, uh,
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- forensics expert.
- I know.
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And the, uh, the French prosecutor.
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I sent you that interview, right?
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He was biased against Aaron
from the jump.
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I'm a decade older,
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but Aaron and I
had similar upbringings...
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rich parents, private schools.
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I'm just lucky social media
didn't exist.
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Look, if I was in Aaron's generation,
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I would have just as much
embarrassing footage as he did.
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Of what?
You studying tort reform at 15?
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I got into trouble.
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- Uh-huh.
- Okay.
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The point is,
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when you grow up in this world,
you don't hear "no" a lot,
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which can make you a real ass...
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Can make you a very selfish person.
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♪ Another day ♪
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AARON: Ooh-hoo-hoo-hoo-hoo!
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Yo, they only got, like, five pairs
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of these in the whole world,
and I got a pair.
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You don't have a pair, but I do.
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What's up, what's up?!
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Hey, yo, what up,
everybody? It's your boy, AT!
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My guy Patty P right here.
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We got a pool party tonight.
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Everybody come through.
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Got the matching, you know?
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- Got the matching.
- And the shoes.
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Hey.
Have fun.
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- You know what it is.
- Hey! Whoa!
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[LAUGHS]
You know the vibes.
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You know the vibes!
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[CHEERING, LAUGHTER]
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♪ ♪
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$30,000 a bottle,
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and he didn't drink a sip.
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That boy lost his mind.
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I had to get him out
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I mean, I-I thought, you know,
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a semester abroad,
would've helped him mature,
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so, I sent him to Paris.
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[CLEARS THROAT]
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I was on scholarship.
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University of Michigan.
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Go Wolverines.
[CHUCKLES]
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I don't know why I said that.
Can I please start over?
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INTERVIEWER: [LAUGHS]
You're doing fine.
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Uh, when did you first meet
Aaron and Patrick?
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The program held a mixer,
when we first arrived.
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It was mostly just a bunch of
awkward college students,
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butchering French, but,
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Aaron and Patrick were from
this whole other world.
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First impressions?
[CHUCKLES]
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I mean, honestly, they seemed
like entitled douchebags.
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But then I got to know them.
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You know, it was like another planet...
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Planet Rich.
[CHUCKLES]
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Patrick was the funniest.
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All that stuff you saw on Instagram,
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no, that's not who they were.
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Yeah, I mean, we went from the
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Two Musketeers to Four, you know,
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just like that.
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Me, Patrick, Rowan, and Everest,
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we were, uh...
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Inseparable.
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And uh...
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Man, that feels like so long ago.
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Are you nervous about the reunion?
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A little.
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Or, a lot.
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I haven't seen them since the trial.
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And they all went home,
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graduated from college,
got jobs, and...
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I went to prison.
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Do they believe in your innocence?
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Yeah, 100%.
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They've both said that.
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You know,
there can be a big difference,
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between what people say,
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and what they believe.
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Sorry. Let's...
Hold on.
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Let me reset that.
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Sorry.
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[BREATHES DEEPLY]
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Ro, Ro,
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- good to see you, man!
- Yeah, you too, man.
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Yeah.
You look so different.
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Yeah, I'm a little older.
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No, it's not that.
I don't know.
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You're like a different guy.
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- Something like that.
- [CHUCKLES]
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- I think I'm gonna cry.
- Hey.
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No, no, no crying.
You're gonna mess up my makeup.
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Oh!
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Oh, I'm sorry I didn't come sooner.
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No, d... don't worry about it, really.
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I'm just, glad to see you guys.
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Alright, so let's, uh, get inside.
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I got food, drinks...
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cameras, and, uh...
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I'm sorry.
This is...
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- So weird.
- Hey, it's fine.
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We're just happy to see you, bro.
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- Yeah, me too.
- Yeah.
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- Yeah. Alright.
- [CAMERA CHIRPS]
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CONNOR: Guys, I got to swap out
my battery.
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Give me a second?
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AARON: Okay.
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What the hell?
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[DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYS]
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- Holy...
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Morris Mackey's throat had been cut.
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By the time his body was found,
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he'd been dead approximately
four hours.
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INTERVIEWER: And who were
your initial suspects?
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Everyone who stepped foot
in the house that day.
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- Including Aaron.
- Everyone.
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- INTERVIEWER: Good morning.
- Good morning.
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It's nice to see you again.
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Nice to see you!
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I heard you were
happy with how the last
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- documentary came out.
- Oh, my God.
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It was so good, and, and...
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[LAUGHS]
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And I got so many compliments.
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Oh, that's great.
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How about you?
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Didn't see it.
Can we get started?
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Uh, yeah.
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So, tell me what happened when
you arrived at the scene.
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We were the first responders.
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[SIREN WAILS]
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LUCY: Whoa.
264
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Okay.
265
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It was a, frenetic day.
266
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So many people, so...
267
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So many personalities.
268
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But, when you're talking
a star-studded crime scene
269
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with a witness list comprised
mostly of influencers,
270
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I guess that's no surprise.
271
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Alright, look,
even with all those cameras
272
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and phones rolling in the house,
273
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none of them caught anything
274
00:09:01,934 --> 00:09:03,750
even remotely helpful
to our investigation.
275
00:09:03,799 --> 00:09:05,106
Yeah. Luck?
276
00:09:05,154 --> 00:09:08,502
It just wasn't in our cards that day.
277
00:09:09,197 --> 00:09:10,647
- What?
- Why are you so happy?
278
00:09:10,696 --> 00:09:12,436
I am being colorful.
279
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They will use more of our coverage
280
00:09:13,848 --> 00:09:15,334
if we give them evocative sound bites.
281
00:09:15,382 --> 00:09:16,650
I'm right, right?
282
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Can we get back to the murder?
283
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I followed protocols.
284
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You know, I-I called it in,
cleared the house,
285
00:09:21,747 --> 00:09:23,542
- did everything right.
- LUCY: Mm-hmm.
286
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- You believe me, right?
- O-Of course.
287
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I mean, but we have to
follow protocol, too.
288
00:09:27,463 --> 00:09:28,870
It's gonna be okay.
289
00:09:28,919 --> 00:09:30,838
I can't believe this
is happening to me again.
290
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LUCY: I know.
291
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[BREATHING RAGGEDLY]
292
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A-Are you okay?
293
00:09:35,968 --> 00:09:37,704
I think I'm having, like,
a panic attack.
294
00:09:37,752 --> 00:09:39,358
Oh, okay.
Uh, just sit down,
295
00:09:39,406 --> 00:09:40,726
and I'm gonna grab you
some water, okay?
296
00:09:40,774 --> 00:09:41,920
I'll be right back.
297
00:09:41,969 --> 00:09:43,449
Show's over.
Time to go.
298
00:09:43,497 --> 00:09:46,191
What? Uh, no, no, no.
No, it's not.
299
00:09:46,239 --> 00:09:48,236
This is my house, my production.
300
00:09:48,284 --> 00:09:49,313
The show goes on.
301
00:09:49,362 --> 00:09:50,490
Connor, keep filming.
302
00:09:50,539 --> 00:09:51,619
Yeah, that's not how this works.
303
00:09:51,667 --> 00:09:52,733
This is my crime scene.
304
00:09:52,782 --> 00:09:54,498
Shut it off now.
305
00:09:55,310 --> 00:09:56,610
Shut it off!
306
00:09:56,735 --> 00:09:58,374
[CAMERA BEEPS]
307
00:09:58,643 --> 00:09:59,961
There was nothing we could do.
308
00:10:00,043 --> 00:10:01,170
TIM:
Well, thanks for coming out.
309
00:10:01,219 --> 00:10:02,294
Yeah.
310
00:10:02,342 --> 00:10:04,644
Our paramedic crew was short-staffed,
311
00:10:04,692 --> 00:10:06,854
and since we're all EMT-trained,
312
00:10:06,902 --> 00:10:08,039
I was subbing in.
313
00:10:08,087 --> 00:10:09,367
INTERVIEWER: Oh, I don't understand.
314
00:10:09,415 --> 00:10:10,436
Why were you called in at all?
315
00:10:10,485 --> 00:10:11,956
He was clearly dead, right?
316
00:10:12,004 --> 00:10:14,350
You have no idea how many people
I see look that way
317
00:10:14,398 --> 00:10:15,960
and then spring back to life.
318
00:10:16,008 --> 00:10:17,570
Oh.
Interesting.
319
00:10:17,618 --> 00:10:18,876
And what did you think at the time?
320
00:10:18,924 --> 00:10:20,540
Did it seem to you like Aaron did it?
321
00:10:20,589 --> 00:10:21,641
Of course not.
322
00:10:21,689 --> 00:10:23,184
He would never do anything like that.
323
00:10:23,298 --> 00:10:25,481
Really? And you're confident
saying that...
324
00:10:25,530 --> 00:10:27,638
considering your ex-husband?
325
00:10:28,509 --> 00:10:29,736
Wow.
326
00:10:30,004 --> 00:10:31,332
Okay.
327
00:10:31,502 --> 00:10:33,064
Ah, clearly, you come prepared.
328
00:10:33,112 --> 00:10:35,167
Yeah, um, I...
329
00:10:35,215 --> 00:10:37,875
I married a sociopath, once.
330
00:10:38,030 --> 00:10:41,172
So, maybe I'm not
the best judge of character.
331
00:10:41,221 --> 00:10:42,781
It's not about being
a good judge of character.
332
00:10:42,829 --> 00:10:44,156
We judge by the facts.
333
00:10:44,205 --> 00:10:45,630
INTERVIEWER:
And what did the facts say?
334
00:10:45,724 --> 00:10:47,242
At first?
335
00:10:47,732 --> 00:10:49,146
Not much.
336
00:10:50,912 --> 00:10:52,518
How long you been here filming today?
337
00:10:52,566 --> 00:10:54,215
About three or four hours.
338
00:10:54,263 --> 00:10:55,391
After rehearsal this morning,
339
00:10:55,439 --> 00:10:56,783
they had Everest and me in the kitchen,
340
00:10:56,831 --> 00:10:58,306
getting our hair and makeup done
341
00:10:58,354 --> 00:10:59,786
while they filmed other stuff.
342
00:10:59,834 --> 00:11:01,394
LUCY: So you were in the kitchen
the whole time?
343
00:11:01,442 --> 00:11:04,902
Uh, well, I did sneak off
to crafty once or...
344
00:11:05,057 --> 00:11:06,489
four times.
I heard they had ice cream,
345
00:11:06,537 --> 00:11:07,751
and I've been dieting like crazy
346
00:11:07,799 --> 00:11:08,999
'cause I was gonna be on television,
347
00:11:09,048 --> 00:11:10,129
and I heard the camera adds like,
348
00:11:10,177 --> 00:11:11,641
10 pounds.
Is that true?
349
00:11:11,690 --> 00:11:13,296
TIM: So when was the last time
you saw Morris?
350
00:11:13,742 --> 00:11:15,522
Honestly, I ain't seen him all day.
351
00:11:15,625 --> 00:11:16,964
I was dealing with work stuff
352
00:11:17,021 --> 00:11:18,675
right up until we started filming.
353
00:11:18,723 --> 00:11:20,720
LUCY: And where were you
when Morris's body was found?
354
00:11:20,768 --> 00:11:22,435
In my office.
355
00:11:22,654 --> 00:11:23,854
And how would you characterize
356
00:11:23,902 --> 00:11:25,967
Aaron's relationship with Morris?
357
00:11:27,110 --> 00:11:28,764
[SIGHS]
358
00:11:29,124 --> 00:11:31,181
It's important you tell the truth.
359
00:11:32,779 --> 00:11:35,300
They didn't always agree about
the direction of the show.
360
00:11:35,348 --> 00:11:37,581
But my son, he would never hurt anyone.
361
00:11:44,444 --> 00:11:46,374
Hey, do we really have
to do this in here?
362
00:11:47,273 --> 00:11:48,955
Yes, we do, son.
363
00:11:50,518 --> 00:11:53,429
Per government code 3300
and per Lybarger,
364
00:11:53,478 --> 00:11:55,367
I am required to advise,
365
00:11:55,415 --> 00:11:57,627
that you do not have
the right to remain silent.
366
00:11:57,675 --> 00:12:00,325
Anything you say can
and will be used against you.
367
00:12:00,373 --> 00:12:03,294
Refusal to fully,
and completely, answer
368
00:12:03,342 --> 00:12:05,759
all of Detective Lopez's questions,
369
00:12:05,808 --> 00:12:08,765
will result in immediate termination.
370
00:12:09,599 --> 00:12:11,157
Do you understand?
371
00:12:12,334 --> 00:12:13,384
Yes, sir.
372
00:12:13,432 --> 00:12:14,861
And I'm here to protect you,
373
00:12:14,909 --> 00:12:16,602
as your union representative.
374
00:12:16,818 --> 00:12:18,386
This is your choice.
375
00:12:18,434 --> 00:12:20,142
But like Sergeant Grey said,
376
00:12:20,284 --> 00:12:21,521
if you choose not to cooperate,
377
00:12:21,569 --> 00:12:22,642
you will lose your job.
378
00:12:22,691 --> 00:12:24,304
Of course I'll cooperate.
379
00:12:26,191 --> 00:12:27,372
SGT. GREY: Good man.
380
00:12:29,271 --> 00:12:30,486
Alright.
381
00:12:30,534 --> 00:12:31,914
I'll leave you to it.
382
00:12:33,362 --> 00:12:35,162
[SIGHS]
383
00:12:35,596 --> 00:12:36,959
I didn't kill Morris.
384
00:12:37,068 --> 00:12:38,118
[DOOR CLOSES]
385
00:12:40,751 --> 00:12:42,503
When I saw him,
386
00:12:42,816 --> 00:12:44,885
lying there, like Patrick...
387
00:12:44,934 --> 00:12:46,153
LOPEZ: I understand.
388
00:12:46,201 --> 00:12:47,894
But it was common knowledge
that you and Morris
389
00:12:47,942 --> 00:12:49,801
weren't on the best of terms.
390
00:12:49,906 --> 00:12:51,285
Who are you with?
391
00:12:51,333 --> 00:12:52,383
TMZ?
392
00:12:52,514 --> 00:12:53,564
You still feeding off my grief,
393
00:12:53,612 --> 00:12:54,692
- you vultures?!
- Come on, guys.
394
00:12:54,741 --> 00:12:56,076
- Morris, what are you doing, man?
- Get 'em out of here, man!
395
00:12:56,124 --> 00:12:57,513
- Go!
- Get out of here now!
396
00:12:57,561 --> 00:13:00,797
Yeah, what he did to Patrick's dad was,
397
00:13:00,995 --> 00:13:03,927
callous, and exploitative, but,
398
00:13:03,975 --> 00:13:05,172
I wouldn't kill him for it.
399
00:13:05,220 --> 00:13:06,472
HARPER: Yeah, that was bad.
400
00:13:06,521 --> 00:13:08,753
Aaron pulled over Patrick's dad
401
00:13:08,801 --> 00:13:10,251
in a routine car stop.
402
00:13:10,300 --> 00:13:13,361
It was a total random reunion, but...
403
00:13:13,588 --> 00:13:15,394
Morris and his cameraman,
404
00:13:15,442 --> 00:13:16,924
were there filming, and that just,
405
00:13:16,972 --> 00:13:18,446
made everything worse.
406
00:13:18,494 --> 00:13:21,464
Dexter Hayes,
he was a-a grieving, father.
407
00:13:21,512 --> 00:13:22,892
You know?
And he...
408
00:13:23,253 --> 00:13:26,056
He took a swing at Officer Thorsen,
409
00:13:26,105 --> 00:13:28,226
so we had to book him,
but we let him go,
410
00:13:28,274 --> 00:13:29,869
as soon as we could.
411
00:13:30,084 --> 00:13:32,373
And, you know, I thought
that would be the end of it.
412
00:13:32,421 --> 00:13:34,141
INTERVIEWER: But you suspected that
Patrick's dad
413
00:13:34,189 --> 00:13:35,655
- could have killed Morris?
- We did.
414
00:13:35,723 --> 00:13:37,927
He was furious
about "Every Rose Has A..."
415
00:13:39,014 --> 00:13:40,698
About the reality show.
416
00:13:41,169 --> 00:13:44,440
And after years of the press
feeding off of his grief,
417
00:13:44,675 --> 00:13:47,246
yeah, it was believable
that he could've snapped.
418
00:13:47,560 --> 00:13:49,645
This is absurd.
You do know that?
419
00:13:49,787 --> 00:13:51,427
TIM: Alright, sir, can you tell me
where you were,
420
00:13:51,475 --> 00:13:52,588
yesterday afternoon?
421
00:13:52,636 --> 00:13:54,657
I was in the office,
morning to midnight.
422
00:13:54,705 --> 00:13:56,659
Ask any one of my employees.
423
00:13:56,875 --> 00:13:58,399
I didn't do this.
424
00:13:58,447 --> 00:14:00,194
Any idea who did?
425
00:14:00,449 --> 00:14:03,192
I can tell you that,
whoever killed that man,
426
00:14:03,539 --> 00:14:05,696
his last name is Thorsen.
427
00:14:06,673 --> 00:14:09,454
I blame myself for ever letting
them into Patrick's life.
428
00:14:09,502 --> 00:14:10,803
They're a sick family.
429
00:14:10,851 --> 00:14:13,240
And Aaron is not
the only killer among them.
430
00:14:13,288 --> 00:14:14,568
INTERVIEWER:
What did he mean by that?
431
00:14:14,616 --> 00:14:15,705
You know what he meant by that.
432
00:14:15,754 --> 00:14:16,861
And we knew,
433
00:14:16,909 --> 00:14:18,158
from the reality show,
434
00:14:18,206 --> 00:14:20,683
that Morris gave Aaron's
father a clear motive.
435
00:14:20,731 --> 00:14:23,337
And that's what I was thinking
for the opening theme.
436
00:14:23,385 --> 00:14:24,653
- Yeah?
- Yeah.
437
00:14:24,702 --> 00:14:26,321
- I like it.
- You do?
438
00:14:26,774 --> 00:14:28,336
Almost as much as I like you.
439
00:14:28,465 --> 00:14:29,735
Mm.
440
00:14:29,783 --> 00:14:31,694
- You're so sweet.
- [DOOR OPENS]
441
00:14:31,742 --> 00:14:33,071
Oh.
442
00:14:33,221 --> 00:14:34,305
LINCOLN: Hey!
443
00:14:34,353 --> 00:14:36,066
You hooking up with my wife, man?!
444
00:14:36,485 --> 00:14:37,700
Linc, it's not what you think.
445
00:14:37,748 --> 00:14:39,997
Boy, you better get
the hell up out of here!
446
00:14:40,444 --> 00:14:41,619
[BOTTLE SHATTERS]
447
00:14:42,970 --> 00:14:44,620
What the hell was that?!
448
00:14:44,668 --> 00:14:46,897
Are you seriously
doing this to me again?!
449
00:14:46,946 --> 00:14:48,195
In my own house!
450
00:14:48,250 --> 00:14:49,611
INTERVIEW: There's footage of Lincoln,
451
00:14:49,659 --> 00:14:51,539
catching Morris and Yvonne,
in an intimate moment.
452
00:14:51,587 --> 00:14:53,716
That had to factor
into your investigation.
453
00:14:53,843 --> 00:14:56,022
Jealousy is a primal motive.
454
00:14:56,070 --> 00:14:57,430
And some believe
that Lincoln had killed
455
00:14:57,478 --> 00:14:58,938
for jealousy once before.
456
00:14:59,132 --> 00:15:01,245
He was a suspect in
a 20-year-old murder, wasn't he?
457
00:15:01,402 --> 00:15:02,545
Yes, he was.
458
00:15:02,594 --> 00:15:03,812
[CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS]
459
00:15:04,821 --> 00:15:05,871
[GUNSHOTS]
460
00:15:06,262 --> 00:15:07,422
INTERVIEWER: What can you tell me,
461
00:15:07,470 --> 00:15:09,518
about your father's hip-hop duo,
Flex n' Flow?
462
00:15:09,567 --> 00:15:11,143
I mean, I was, like, a baby, you know,
463
00:15:11,192 --> 00:15:12,278
when they were at their height.
464
00:15:12,327 --> 00:15:13,460
And, uh,
465
00:15:13,508 --> 00:15:15,873
that was the year
"Make Da Noise" went platinum.
466
00:15:15,922 --> 00:15:17,144
INTERVIEWER: Flex n' Flow
had one of the most
467
00:15:17,192 --> 00:15:18,442
iconic singles of the late '90s.
468
00:15:18,490 --> 00:15:19,947
Oh, my God.
"Make Da Noise"?
469
00:15:19,996 --> 00:15:22,924
That's like one
of my go-to karaoke jams.
470
00:15:22,972 --> 00:15:24,491
[RAPPING]
♪ My crib, it's all a-poppin' ♪
471
00:15:24,539 --> 00:15:25,666
♪ The party's never stoppin' ♪
472
00:15:25,714 --> 00:15:26,841
♪ Who da boyz that make da noise? ♪
473
00:15:26,889 --> 00:15:28,582
♪ Flex 'n Flow, yo, Flex n' Flow ♪
474
00:15:29,065 --> 00:15:30,299
Can I be interviewed alone?
475
00:15:30,348 --> 00:15:32,107
[RECORD SCRATCHING]
476
00:15:32,155 --> 00:15:33,457
♪ Yeah, we comin' for you. ♪
477
00:15:33,505 --> 00:15:34,501
[RAPPING]
♪ My crib, it's all a-poppin' ♪
478
00:15:34,549 --> 00:15:35,850
♪ This party's never stoppin' ♪
479
00:15:35,898 --> 00:15:37,025
♪ We're the boyz who make da noise ♪
480
00:15:37,073 --> 00:15:38,375
♪ Flex n' Flow, yo, Flex n' Flow ♪
481
00:15:38,423 --> 00:15:39,811
♪ My crib, it's all a-poppin' ♪
482
00:15:39,859 --> 00:15:41,247
♪ This party's never stoppin' ♪
483
00:15:41,295 --> 00:15:42,422
♪ We're the boyz who make da noise ♪
484
00:15:42,470 --> 00:15:43,597
♪ Flex n' Flow, yo, Flex n' Flow ♪
485
00:15:43,645 --> 00:15:44,729
♪ Flex n' Flow ♪
486
00:15:44,777 --> 00:15:51,872
♪ ♪
487
00:15:52,630 --> 00:15:53,954
[CHUCKLES]
488
00:15:54,003 --> 00:15:56,231
Oh, yes, that's me.
489
00:15:56,358 --> 00:15:58,569
I was a Flow Girl.
490
00:15:58,617 --> 00:16:00,397
- [CHUCKLES]
- Wait. What?
491
00:16:00,445 --> 00:16:03,269
There was a scout who saw me
cheering in high school,
492
00:16:03,317 --> 00:16:04,966
and he asked me to audition.
493
00:16:05,014 --> 00:16:07,205
At first, I thought he was
just trying to get in my pants.
494
00:16:07,254 --> 00:16:09,909
But it turned out to be legit,
495
00:16:09,957 --> 00:16:12,706
and it was for Flex n' Flow.
496
00:16:12,755 --> 00:16:14,628
I was the biggest fan.
497
00:16:14,676 --> 00:16:16,237
INTERVIEWER: What are you
wearing, by the way?
498
00:16:16,285 --> 00:16:17,851
Oh, I teach capoeira
499
00:16:17,899 --> 00:16:20,460
- on Thursdays and Sundays.
- Oh.
500
00:16:20,508 --> 00:16:22,201
Did you ever see Flex n' Flow argue,
501
00:16:22,249 --> 00:16:23,369
while you were working with them?
502
00:16:23,417 --> 00:16:25,813
Mm, I mean, well, sure,
503
00:16:25,861 --> 00:16:27,567
but nothing serious.
504
00:16:27,616 --> 00:16:29,750
They were like brothers,
and brothers fight.
505
00:16:29,799 --> 00:16:31,320
What do you say to the people
who are convinced
506
00:16:31,368 --> 00:16:32,995
that your husband
killed his late partner?
507
00:16:33,044 --> 00:16:35,867
Oh, honey, this alleged "feud"
between Linc and Calvin
508
00:16:35,915 --> 00:16:38,854
has gotten blown way out
of proportion over the years.
509
00:16:38,903 --> 00:16:40,567
But what about the night
of Calvin's murder?
510
00:16:40,616 --> 00:16:43,018
The infamous pre-release party
for "2 Hype Homies"?
511
00:16:43,067 --> 00:16:45,529
Did the party
get a little wild? Sure.
512
00:16:45,577 --> 00:16:47,748
Did the police come
and break it up? Mm-hmm.
513
00:16:47,796 --> 00:16:50,534
And did Linc and Calvin argue?
You bet.
514
00:16:50,582 --> 00:16:52,579
But they were just passionate people.
515
00:16:52,627 --> 00:16:55,713
And nobody ever threatened nobody.
516
00:16:55,890 --> 00:16:58,691
Yeah, they, uh,
they threatened each other.
517
00:16:59,041 --> 00:17:00,168
I was there.
518
00:17:00,248 --> 00:17:01,854
I was a rookie officer then.
519
00:17:01,941 --> 00:17:04,817
And my T.O. and I had got a 415 call,
520
00:17:04,866 --> 00:17:07,159
for an out-of-control party.
521
00:17:07,207 --> 00:17:11,032
It was a record release event,
for Flex n' Flow.
522
00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:13,354
But anyway,
as we were breaking things up,
523
00:17:13,403 --> 00:17:15,907
I saw Flex n' Flow
in each other's faces.
524
00:17:15,955 --> 00:17:17,955
INTERVIEWER: Could you hear
what they were fighting about?
525
00:17:18,003 --> 00:17:20,921
No. Um, as I approached,
their limousine was pulling up.
526
00:17:21,023 --> 00:17:22,476
But Flex, um...
527
00:17:22,525 --> 00:17:23,743
Um, I'm sorry, Lincoln...
528
00:17:23,791 --> 00:17:25,202
was still very hot.
529
00:17:25,251 --> 00:17:28,421
He refused to get
into the limo with Flow,
530
00:17:28,469 --> 00:17:29,904
and, um...
531
00:17:30,056 --> 00:17:32,303
Yeah, he said that he'd rather walk
532
00:17:32,413 --> 00:17:34,752
than to deal with Flow's nonsense.
533
00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:36,014
Um...
534
00:17:36,250 --> 00:17:37,632
It was a good thing, too.
535
00:17:37,726 --> 00:17:40,279
ANCHOR: A devastating loss
for the music industry today,
536
00:17:40,327 --> 00:17:41,550
as Calvin Yard,
537
00:17:41,598 --> 00:17:44,283
one half of the popular
duo Flex n' Flow,
538
00:17:44,331 --> 00:17:46,633
was gunned down in
Los Angeles last night
539
00:17:46,681 --> 00:17:49,157
after leaving his record launch party.
540
00:17:49,205 --> 00:17:51,301
It couldn't have been
more than five minutes later,
541
00:17:51,349 --> 00:17:53,453
that we got a, shots-fired call.
542
00:17:53,530 --> 00:17:58,036
As Flow's limo was making
the turn on La Cienega,
543
00:17:58,084 --> 00:18:01,336
a car pulled alongside it
and unloaded 20 rounds
544
00:18:01,385 --> 00:18:02,817
at the rear of the vehicle.
545
00:18:02,958 --> 00:18:04,219
[GUNSHOTS]
546
00:18:04,394 --> 00:18:07,421
Flow was shot, seven times.
547
00:18:08,398 --> 00:18:09,829
Yeah.
548
00:18:10,705 --> 00:18:12,640
That was my first homicide.
549
00:18:12,925 --> 00:18:14,400
I'll never forget it.
550
00:18:14,529 --> 00:18:16,146
It changes you.
551
00:18:16,253 --> 00:18:19,746
I did not have anything to do
with Calvin's death.
552
00:18:20,461 --> 00:18:21,901
INTERVIEWER: But
at the time of his murder,
553
00:18:21,949 --> 00:18:23,497
- all the talk was...
- That was garbage, man.
554
00:18:23,546 --> 00:18:24,717
All garbage.
555
00:18:24,766 --> 00:18:26,090
I loved Calvin like a brother.
556
00:18:26,139 --> 00:18:27,511
You know, this...
557
00:18:27,728 --> 00:18:29,246
This is straight-up exploitive.
558
00:18:29,295 --> 00:18:30,578
Calvin's murder was solved,
559
00:18:30,626 --> 00:18:32,207
decades ago, and you know it.
560
00:18:32,293 --> 00:18:35,683
A man named Gary Brown
was convicted of Flow's murder.
561
00:18:35,817 --> 00:18:38,250
It turns out Flow
was sleeping with Gary's wife.
562
00:18:38,298 --> 00:18:40,650
So as far as the LAPD was concerned,
563
00:18:40,698 --> 00:18:41,883
case closed.
564
00:18:41,932 --> 00:18:43,348
Yeah, but the aura of guilt haunted
565
00:18:43,396 --> 00:18:45,531
Lincoln's reputation
like a dark shroud.
566
00:18:46,306 --> 00:18:47,492
I'm sorry.
567
00:18:47,541 --> 00:18:49,300
That was really good.
568
00:18:50,071 --> 00:18:51,490
Thanks.
569
00:18:51,703 --> 00:18:53,662
And with Lincoln alibi'd out, you know,
570
00:18:53,711 --> 00:18:55,679
the investigation focused on Yvonne.
571
00:18:55,728 --> 00:18:57,102
Mrs. Thorsen, how long,
572
00:18:57,150 --> 00:18:58,835
had you been having an
affair with Morris Mackey?
573
00:18:58,884 --> 00:19:00,272
[SCOFFS] Please.
574
00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:01,926
I was not sleeping with him.
575
00:19:01,974 --> 00:19:03,038
But the footage...
576
00:19:03,086 --> 00:19:05,057
From "Every Rose Has
A Thorsen", we saw it.
577
00:19:05,105 --> 00:19:06,795
That was for the show.
578
00:19:07,109 --> 00:19:08,846
What, are you saying you staged it?
579
00:19:08,938 --> 00:19:12,110
It's a reality show.
Of course we staged it.
580
00:19:12,158 --> 00:19:14,155
I can prove it.
I have the rest of the footage.
581
00:19:14,203 --> 00:19:16,375
Boy, you better get
the hell up out of here!
582
00:19:16,883 --> 00:19:18,398
[BOTTLE SHATTERS]
583
00:19:19,165 --> 00:19:20,597
What the hell was that?!
584
00:19:20,696 --> 00:19:22,947
Are you seriously doing this
to me again?!
585
00:19:22,995 --> 00:19:24,216
In my own house!
586
00:19:24,265 --> 00:19:26,298
You got some nerve!
587
00:19:26,346 --> 00:19:28,240
L-Let's talk about all the women
you slept with
588
00:19:28,289 --> 00:19:29,910
when you were F-Flex?
589
00:19:29,958 --> 00:19:31,398
MORRIS: Cut!
590
00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:33,914
Cut, cut, cut, cut.
591
00:19:33,962 --> 00:19:35,498
Linc, buddy,
592
00:19:35,546 --> 00:19:37,265
you're going off-script.
593
00:19:37,313 --> 00:19:40,295
"I can't believe you're seriously
doing this to me again"?
594
00:19:40,344 --> 00:19:41,356
That's not the line.
595
00:19:41,404 --> 00:19:42,793
Yeah, man,
I was improv'ing a little.
596
00:19:42,841 --> 00:19:44,664
Yeah, maybe not do that, okay?
597
00:19:44,712 --> 00:19:46,318
It's a lot more powerful
if this is the first time
598
00:19:46,366 --> 00:19:47,711
Yvonne has stepped out on you.
599
00:19:47,759 --> 00:19:49,713
Okay.
So, Morris, how did I do?
600
00:19:49,911 --> 00:19:51,271
It was a bit big.
601
00:19:51,414 --> 00:19:53,281
Yeah, maybe, uh, dial it back a hair.
602
00:19:53,422 --> 00:19:54,593
Let's go again.
603
00:19:54,650 --> 00:19:56,110
MAN: Back to one.
604
00:19:56,158 --> 00:19:57,372
Go.
605
00:19:57,420 --> 00:19:58,724
We're making a show, people.
606
00:19:58,773 --> 00:20:00,109
[CLEARS THROAT]
607
00:20:00,254 --> 00:20:01,774
None of that was in the footage,
608
00:20:01,822 --> 00:20:03,094
you turned over to us.
609
00:20:03,191 --> 00:20:04,797
Oops. My bad.
610
00:20:04,846 --> 00:20:06,991
We want everything...
now...
611
00:20:07,039 --> 00:20:08,993
or you'll be arrested for obstruction.
612
00:20:09,245 --> 00:20:11,473
Ooh, that was good.
613
00:20:11,521 --> 00:20:13,475
Do you think I can get a copy of that?
614
00:20:13,523 --> 00:20:15,477
That will play really well in the show.
615
00:20:15,525 --> 00:20:17,175
Mrs. Thorsen, this is serious.
616
00:20:17,223 --> 00:20:19,003
Morris Mackey was
murdered in your house.
617
00:20:19,051 --> 00:20:20,569
Your son is still a suspect.
618
00:20:20,617 --> 00:20:22,615
Just like the police to only focus
619
00:20:22,663 --> 00:20:24,748
on what's in front of their nose.
620
00:20:24,796 --> 00:20:27,402
Morris Mackey didn't
just appear out of thin air
621
00:20:27,450 --> 00:20:28,882
when he started working for me.
622
00:20:28,930 --> 00:20:31,450
Honey, the man had enemies.
623
00:20:31,859 --> 00:20:36,629
[CROWD CHANTING: "WE ARE Q! WE ARE Q!"]
624
00:20:36,677 --> 00:20:38,109
They're the crazy ones!
625
00:20:38,157 --> 00:20:39,632
We're the sane ones!
626
00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,940
You're the cult!
You're sheep!
627
00:20:41,989 --> 00:20:43,897
Prior to working
with the Thorsen family,
628
00:20:43,945 --> 00:20:47,195
Morris had been hired by a bunch
of QAnon conspiracy theorists.
629
00:20:47,364 --> 00:20:48,708
Apparently, they didn't like
630
00:20:48,756 --> 00:20:50,687
the negative publicity
they were getting,
631
00:20:50,735 --> 00:20:52,580
and they wanted to show their side.
632
00:20:52,780 --> 00:20:53,951
Try to control the narrative.
633
00:20:53,999 --> 00:20:55,280
- Mm.
- INTERVIEWER: So what happened?
634
00:20:55,328 --> 00:20:57,019
Morris was allowed
into the inner sanctum.
635
00:20:57,133 --> 00:20:58,677
Conducted dozens of interviews,
636
00:20:58,725 --> 00:21:00,781
with founders and followers, but...
637
00:21:00,829 --> 00:21:02,042
He didn't make a propaganda film,
638
00:21:02,091 --> 00:21:03,264
he told the truth.
639
00:21:03,312 --> 00:21:04,526
[MODULATED VOICE]
We're in a war.
640
00:21:04,574 --> 00:21:05,911
Every one of us is prepared
641
00:21:05,959 --> 00:21:07,325
to start killing, for our freedom.
642
00:21:07,374 --> 00:21:08,521
Morris may have won an Emmy,
643
00:21:08,570 --> 00:21:10,503
but he also pissed off
a lot of unhinged
644
00:21:10,552 --> 00:21:12,012
and hyper-violent people.
645
00:21:12,060 --> 00:21:13,622
The storm is coming.
646
00:21:13,670 --> 00:21:15,431
There will be retribution.
647
00:21:16,232 --> 00:21:18,033
INTERVIEWER: I've heard
rumors that you have insight
648
00:21:18,081 --> 00:21:19,493
into the QAnon angle on this case.
649
00:21:19,599 --> 00:21:22,611
Have you ever tried to put
toothpaste back in the tube?
650
00:21:22,659 --> 00:21:24,700
Look, I know it's an expression,
651
00:21:24,748 --> 00:21:27,181
but have you actually tried to do it?
652
00:21:27,488 --> 00:21:28,748
I have.
653
00:21:28,896 --> 00:21:30,576
It's basically impossible.
654
00:21:30,624 --> 00:21:32,317
And what do you think Q
is trying to tell people
655
00:21:32,365 --> 00:21:34,943
with his Q-Drops,
these cryptic messages?
656
00:21:35,004 --> 00:21:36,523
I really wasn't trying to say anything.
657
00:21:36,572 --> 00:21:39,614
I was just typing, and maybe
I got a little carried away.
658
00:21:39,781 --> 00:21:41,540
Wait.
What did you say?
659
00:21:42,636 --> 00:21:45,075
Well,
I guess now is as good a time as any,
660
00:21:45,123 --> 00:21:46,591
to reveal it.
661
00:21:48,677 --> 00:21:50,073
I'm Q.
662
00:21:50,121 --> 00:21:51,423
Smitty is Q?
663
00:21:51,472 --> 00:21:52,503
I'm sorry. What?
664
00:21:52,552 --> 00:21:54,159
- Lord, give me strength.
- What?
665
00:21:54,208 --> 00:21:56,602
A lot of writers use pseudonyms.
666
00:21:56,724 --> 00:21:59,300
Q is my first initial,
so...
667
00:21:59,488 --> 00:22:01,417
Hey, is my name down there?
668
00:22:02,907 --> 00:22:04,568
But it was an accident?
He...
669
00:22:04,616 --> 00:22:06,351
He didn't start it on purpose?
670
00:22:06,399 --> 00:22:07,559
INTERVIEWER: That's what he said.
671
00:22:07,607 --> 00:22:08,962
Yeah, sounds like Smitty.
672
00:22:09,010 --> 00:22:11,094
I was trying to start
the fan-fiction club
673
00:22:11,142 --> 00:22:13,706
for "This Is Us,"
and things just got out of hand.
674
00:22:13,754 --> 00:22:15,474
INTERVIEWER: What the hell
does "This is Us" fanfic
675
00:22:15,522 --> 00:22:16,665
have to do with a cult?
676
00:22:16,713 --> 00:22:19,799
I mistakenly mixed cough syrup
with diet pills
677
00:22:19,847 --> 00:22:22,674
when I was writing
this satanic, alien story line
678
00:22:22,723 --> 00:22:24,586
for Jack and Rebecca.
679
00:22:24,634 --> 00:22:27,007
I woke up the next morning
and read it...
680
00:22:27,420 --> 00:22:28,721
None of it made sense.
681
00:22:28,769 --> 00:22:31,027
But, overnight,
I'd gotten so many followers,
682
00:22:31,075 --> 00:22:32,333
I just went with it.
683
00:22:32,381 --> 00:22:35,197
You can't put the toothpaste
back in the tube.
684
00:22:36,429 --> 00:22:38,431
Morris had received threats,
685
00:22:38,479 --> 00:22:40,805
from hundreds of QAnon followers, but,
686
00:22:41,045 --> 00:22:42,661
when we started investigating them,
687
00:22:42,710 --> 00:22:44,751
one immediately stood out.
688
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:46,161
INTERVIEWER: Tell
me about Connor Hart.
689
00:22:46,215 --> 00:22:47,544
What about him got your attention?
690
00:22:47,593 --> 00:22:50,991
Well, he was working as a
cameraman on the reality show, so...
691
00:22:51,039 --> 00:22:52,397
That.
692
00:22:52,445 --> 00:22:53,528
[DOOR OPENS]
693
00:22:53,576 --> 00:22:55,538
TIM: Connor,
thanks for coming down.
694
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:57,489
I'm not in trouble, am I?
695
00:22:57,537 --> 00:23:00,016
No. We just need to clear
a few things up.
696
00:23:00,502 --> 00:23:02,382
I told you everything I know.
697
00:23:02,879 --> 00:23:04,482
I was getting a battery, and,
698
00:23:04,530 --> 00:23:05,965
he was just lying there.
699
00:23:06,154 --> 00:23:07,507
I'm not sure if you're aware,
700
00:23:07,556 --> 00:23:10,194
but it's common to run
background checks on witnesses.
701
00:23:10,264 --> 00:23:11,944
And when we looked into you,
we discovered,
702
00:23:11,992 --> 00:23:13,225
that you're a member of QAnon.
703
00:23:13,274 --> 00:23:14,582
No, no, no, I...
704
00:23:14,702 --> 00:23:16,812
I may have gone
to a political rally or two,
705
00:23:16,860 --> 00:23:18,205
but I'm really not into that.
706
00:23:18,646 --> 00:23:19,946
I swear.
707
00:23:20,107 --> 00:23:21,600
[MANIPULATED VOICE]
We're in a war.
708
00:23:21,648 --> 00:23:24,472
Every one of us is prepared to
start killing for our freedom.
709
00:23:24,602 --> 00:23:26,039
The storm is coming.
710
00:23:26,220 --> 00:23:27,608
There will be retribution.
711
00:23:27,843 --> 00:23:29,643
[VIDEO FAST-FORWARDING]
712
00:23:33,050 --> 00:23:35,614
So, clearly, you are a follower of Q.
713
00:23:35,662 --> 00:23:36,832
Why would you work for Morris?
714
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:38,291
Honestly?
715
00:23:38,490 --> 00:23:39,878
I realized, Morris was the best thing
716
00:23:39,927 --> 00:23:41,349
that could have
happened to the movement.
717
00:23:41,668 --> 00:23:42,838
That makes no sense.
718
00:23:43,024 --> 00:23:44,439
But it does.
719
00:23:44,714 --> 00:23:47,452
Morris's documentary exposed
who was a true believer.
720
00:23:47,716 --> 00:23:49,290
And who wasn't.
721
00:23:50,004 --> 00:23:51,661
He never admitted it,
722
00:23:52,069 --> 00:23:54,430
but, I think Morris was working for Q.
723
00:23:55,159 --> 00:23:56,897
That's why I followed
him to the next gig.
724
00:23:57,031 --> 00:23:59,435
Do you still consider yourself
a believer of Q?
725
00:23:59,542 --> 00:24:01,575
Well, some stuff didn't come true.
726
00:24:02,340 --> 00:24:04,425
The London bombing, the Pope's arrest,
727
00:24:04,473 --> 00:24:05,818
Zuckerberg still has a job.
728
00:24:05,866 --> 00:24:07,559
January 20th came and went,
729
00:24:07,794 --> 00:24:09,499
March 4th came and went.
730
00:24:09,739 --> 00:24:12,107
I'm starting to think
Kennedy is still dead.
731
00:24:12,525 --> 00:24:13,608
Both of them.
732
00:24:13,656 --> 00:24:14,787
Mm.
733
00:24:14,836 --> 00:24:17,791
So you don't believe in Q anymore?
734
00:24:17,965 --> 00:24:19,658
Oh, I believe every word.
735
00:24:19,791 --> 00:24:21,181
Connor was, um...
736
00:24:21,229 --> 00:24:22,693
Deranged?
737
00:24:23,100 --> 00:24:24,576
Let's say...
738
00:24:24,624 --> 00:24:27,225
Reality-challenged,
which doesn't make him a killer.
739
00:24:27,274 --> 00:24:28,342
No.
740
00:24:28,390 --> 00:24:30,059
And the fact that he had
a camera on his shoulder,
741
00:24:30,107 --> 00:24:31,931
for the entire murder window,
742
00:24:31,979 --> 00:24:34,888
means that he couldn't
have killed Morris, so...
743
00:24:34,936 --> 00:24:36,065
We were back to square one.
744
00:24:36,113 --> 00:24:37,893
INTERVIEWER: When the QAnon lead
didn't pan out,
745
00:24:37,941 --> 00:24:39,721
how did you pick up
the pieces of the case?
746
00:24:39,769 --> 00:24:42,463
We rolled up our sleeves
and put in the hours.
747
00:24:42,511 --> 00:24:44,222
We took on the painstaking process,
748
00:24:44,271 --> 00:24:46,728
of reviewing every
piece of video Morris shot,
749
00:24:46,776 --> 00:24:49,260
in the weeks before he died, including,
750
00:24:49,308 --> 00:24:51,797
the footage Yvonne "forgot" to give us.
751
00:24:52,260 --> 00:24:54,040
Until I found something
that changed everything.
752
00:24:54,491 --> 00:24:56,564
♪ ♪
753
00:24:56,787 --> 00:24:58,235
Lopez!
754
00:24:58,714 --> 00:25:00,232
Come look at this!
755
00:25:00,351 --> 00:25:02,001
So I immediately informed
Detective Lopez
756
00:25:02,050 --> 00:25:03,121
of what I discovered.
757
00:25:03,170 --> 00:25:04,965
- Look what I just found.
- Wow.
758
00:25:05,084 --> 00:25:06,167
What?
759
00:25:06,274 --> 00:25:07,587
Look.
760
00:25:08,488 --> 00:25:10,142
MORRIS: Okay.
761
00:25:11,584 --> 00:25:13,020
[SIGHS]
762
00:25:15,501 --> 00:25:18,015
I thought I knew everything
about Patrick's murder.
763
00:25:18,199 --> 00:25:19,753
I had done my homework.
764
00:25:20,506 --> 00:25:22,848
But the truth,
was hiding right in front of me,
765
00:25:22,896 --> 00:25:24,268
all this time.
766
00:25:24,945 --> 00:25:26,068
I know,
767
00:25:26,116 --> 00:25:27,766
who killed Patrick Hayes.
768
00:25:27,991 --> 00:25:29,465
And I can prove it. I...
769
00:25:29,514 --> 00:25:31,841
[DOOR OPENS,
FOOTSTEPS APPROACHING]
770
00:25:32,082 --> 00:25:33,615
Uh, someone's here.
771
00:25:34,448 --> 00:25:35,618
More to follow.
772
00:25:35,738 --> 00:25:37,318
NOLAN: That video was recorded
773
00:25:37,366 --> 00:25:39,368
minutes before Morris was murdered.
774
00:25:41,010 --> 00:25:42,290
INTERVIEWER: I mean, Morris claiming
775
00:25:42,338 --> 00:25:43,436
that he knew who the killer was,
776
00:25:43,485 --> 00:25:44,782
must've been energizing for you.
777
00:25:44,831 --> 00:25:46,462
Finally a break
in your roommate's murder...
778
00:25:46,511 --> 00:25:47,626
No, he...
779
00:25:47,674 --> 00:25:49,062
He wasn't my roommate.
780
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,593
And I, I hate when people
call him that...
781
00:25:51,642 --> 00:25:52,720
you know, like we,
782
00:25:52,768 --> 00:25:54,478
found each other on
some French Craigslist,
783
00:25:54,527 --> 00:25:55,616
or something like that.
784
00:25:55,665 --> 00:25:56,860
Patrick was my best friend,
785
00:25:56,908 --> 00:25:58,340
from the time that we were little kids.
786
00:25:58,388 --> 00:25:59,749
I mean, I was at his house so often,
787
00:25:59,798 --> 00:26:01,489
his dad bought us two of everything,
788
00:26:01,538 --> 00:26:02,796
you know, like siblings.
789
00:26:02,845 --> 00:26:04,427
Yeah, Patrick was my brother.
790
00:26:04,568 --> 00:26:05,968
How did it feel to hear
that Morris thought
791
00:26:06,016 --> 00:26:07,657
he'd discovered who killed Patrick?
792
00:26:07,774 --> 00:26:08,947
I mean...
793
00:26:09,048 --> 00:26:12,179
There had been so many
theories over the years.
794
00:26:12,228 --> 00:26:15,470
And so many people think
that they had it figured out, I...
795
00:26:15,602 --> 00:26:18,412
I just, never really
got my hopes up about it.
796
00:26:18,461 --> 00:26:19,798
This was different, though. I mean,
797
00:26:19,846 --> 00:26:21,851
he made a break in the case,
and died minutes later.
798
00:26:21,900 --> 00:26:23,234
You have to see the connection.
799
00:26:23,283 --> 00:26:25,038
Well, uh...
800
00:26:25,282 --> 00:26:27,631
In the words of Detective Harper...
801
00:26:27,983 --> 00:26:29,665
We look for facts,
802
00:26:29,713 --> 00:26:31,068
not stories.
803
00:26:31,116 --> 00:26:32,766
Yeah, sure, but, I mean, the timing...
804
00:26:32,814 --> 00:26:34,942
I mean, these murders
had to be related.
805
00:26:34,990 --> 00:26:37,423
Whoever killed Patrick
also killed Morris.
806
00:26:37,471 --> 00:26:39,071
INTERVIEWER: Is it possible,
Morris found out,
807
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:40,426
that Aaron was the killer all along?
808
00:26:40,474 --> 00:26:41,524
Not a chance.
809
00:26:41,572 --> 00:26:42,884
The Paris police never had
810
00:26:42,932 --> 00:26:45,474
a shred of evidence, against Aaron.
811
00:26:45,522 --> 00:26:47,294
They fumbled the entire case.
812
00:26:47,343 --> 00:26:48,601
Right off the bat, the paparazzi
813
00:26:48,650 --> 00:26:50,261
completely contaminated
the crime scene.
814
00:26:50,501 --> 00:26:52,176
[SPEAKING FRENCH]
815
00:26:52,311 --> 00:26:54,248
[SIREN WAILING]
816
00:26:54,384 --> 00:26:55,715
[POLICE RADIO CHATTER]
817
00:26:55,861 --> 00:26:57,268
[CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS]
818
00:26:57,416 --> 00:26:59,729
[SPEAKING FRENCH]
819
00:27:00,276 --> 00:27:01,490
[CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS]
820
00:27:01,869 --> 00:27:03,566
[SPEAKING FRENCH]
821
00:27:03,716 --> 00:27:05,631
[CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKING]
822
00:27:07,501 --> 00:27:09,542
INTERVIEWER: But Aaron's DNA
was all over the murder weapon.
823
00:27:09,633 --> 00:27:12,091
You mean the knife the killer
pulled from the kitchen block,
824
00:27:12,139 --> 00:27:14,127
on Aaron and Patrick's counter?
What...
825
00:27:14,175 --> 00:27:16,200
What do you want to bet,
that if we went to your house,
826
00:27:16,248 --> 00:27:17,431
we'd find your DNA,
827
00:27:17,479 --> 00:27:19,213
all over your stuff too?
I mean...
828
00:27:19,261 --> 00:27:20,683
[STAMMERS]
829
00:27:20,814 --> 00:27:22,929
- Was that too mean?
- No...
830
00:27:23,161 --> 00:27:24,636
That actually felt good.
831
00:27:24,727 --> 00:27:26,132
It was a dumb question.
832
00:27:26,181 --> 00:27:27,218
From the beginning,
833
00:27:27,267 --> 00:27:28,713
the French police's case against Aaron
834
00:27:28,761 --> 00:27:30,267
- seemed flawed...
- Oh, yeah.
835
00:27:30,369 --> 00:27:32,482
Their case was a mess, and,
836
00:27:32,530 --> 00:27:34,044
their forensics were compromised.
837
00:27:34,092 --> 00:27:35,663
I mean, the theory that Aaron
838
00:27:35,711 --> 00:27:37,228
killed Patrick because he didn't do
839
00:27:37,276 --> 00:27:38,881
his share of the chores,
never made sense.
840
00:27:38,930 --> 00:27:40,684
For one thing, they had a housekeeper.
841
00:27:40,765 --> 00:27:42,400
For another,
Aaron is not a psychopath,
842
00:27:42,449 --> 00:27:44,375
which you would have to be,
to stab your roommate,
843
00:27:44,424 --> 00:27:46,198
for leaving dirty dishes in the sink.
844
00:27:46,330 --> 00:27:48,751
I mean,
I've come close to stabbing him,
845
00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:50,766
over dirty dishes, but...
846
00:27:51,095 --> 00:27:52,411
That's different, we're married.
847
00:27:52,459 --> 00:27:53,563
Mm.
848
00:27:53,612 --> 00:27:55,052
INTERVIEWER: What
do you say to the theory,
849
00:27:55,100 --> 00:27:57,024
that Aaron had a falling out,
with his roommate?
850
00:27:57,072 --> 00:27:59,766
Aaron and Patrick,
were out partying that night.
851
00:27:59,814 --> 00:28:01,463
Does that sound like
a broken friendship
852
00:28:01,511 --> 00:28:02,682
careening towards murder?
853
00:28:02,731 --> 00:28:03,672
By his own admission,
854
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,293
Aaron was taking prescription drugs.
855
00:28:05,341 --> 00:28:08,165
Yeah, for a football injury
he got in high school.
856
00:28:08,213 --> 00:28:09,740
They impair your ability
857
00:28:09,788 --> 00:28:12,324
to operate heavy machinery, not-not...
858
00:28:12,539 --> 00:28:14,171
Turn you into a hardened killer.
859
00:28:14,351 --> 00:28:15,522
♪ ♪
860
00:28:15,738 --> 00:28:17,479
Aaron passed out early.
861
00:28:17,832 --> 00:28:19,186
Woke up in the middle of the night.
862
00:28:19,235 --> 00:28:20,948
Went to pee, and,
863
00:28:21,418 --> 00:28:22,949
found Patrick's body.
864
00:28:23,251 --> 00:28:30,576
♪ ♪
865
00:28:31,697 --> 00:28:34,749
The French police took one
look at a young Black man,
866
00:28:34,798 --> 00:28:36,455
and decided he was the killer.
867
00:28:36,503 --> 00:28:38,935
I mean, they didn't even pursue
any other suspects.
868
00:28:38,983 --> 00:28:40,811
Bonjour, I appreciate you
speaking with me.
869
00:28:40,860 --> 00:28:42,772
[SCOFFS] Your accent is terrible.
870
00:28:43,074 --> 00:28:44,954
Um, Detective,
you've been accused of leading,
871
00:28:45,002 --> 00:28:46,938
an incredibly biased investigation...
872
00:28:47,009 --> 00:28:48,727
Mais non.
[SPEAKS FRENCH]
873
00:28:48,795 --> 00:28:50,095
We followed the facts.
874
00:28:50,178 --> 00:28:51,899
Mm, and the fact that Patrick
875
00:28:51,947 --> 00:28:53,565
picked up a woman
at the club that night?
876
00:28:53,614 --> 00:28:54,734
Collette Lavinge?
877
00:28:54,852 --> 00:28:57,380
She was seen leaving, the apartment,
878
00:28:57,436 --> 00:28:58,868
before the time of death.
879
00:28:58,916 --> 00:29:00,087
Understand?
880
00:29:00,136 --> 00:29:02,584
What about her jealous,
controlling boyfriend?
881
00:29:02,633 --> 00:29:04,306
Did you interview him?
882
00:29:05,844 --> 00:29:08,451
- No. We did not.
- Mm.
883
00:29:08,500 --> 00:29:10,981
INTERVIEWER: But the thing that
ultimately got you released from prison,
884
00:29:11,029 --> 00:29:12,478
was the identification of this man.
885
00:29:12,756 --> 00:29:14,394
AARON: Yeah.
Collette's boyfriend, Julien.
886
00:29:14,443 --> 00:29:15,547
Handsome.
887
00:29:15,595 --> 00:29:16,712
French.
888
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,090
And, you know,
889
00:29:18,138 --> 00:29:19,630
let's just say it, he's super white.
890
00:29:19,678 --> 00:29:21,868
You know?
Uh, what is...
891
00:29:21,946 --> 00:29:24,067
What is "Finance Bro", in French?
892
00:29:24,209 --> 00:29:26,387
Shouldn't you know that?
You spent years in France.
893
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:27,745
Yeah, but I didn't...
894
00:29:27,793 --> 00:29:28,855
I didn't retain it.
895
00:29:29,031 --> 00:29:30,579
It was actually,
896
00:29:30,627 --> 00:29:32,188
a group of Internet sleuths,
897
00:29:32,236 --> 00:29:33,773
who found Collette's boyfriend.
898
00:29:33,821 --> 00:29:35,927
They spent countless hours,
899
00:29:35,975 --> 00:29:37,252
investigating Aaron's case.
900
00:29:37,301 --> 00:29:38,865
They also pointed the finger at dozens
901
00:29:38,913 --> 00:29:40,562
of innocent people,
ruining their lives.
902
00:29:40,610 --> 00:29:43,225
Yes. Some members of the group
took it a little too far.
903
00:29:43,540 --> 00:29:44,740
INTERVIEWER: We've been looking at
904
00:29:44,788 --> 00:29:46,058
the Internet sleuths, actually.
905
00:29:46,268 --> 00:29:48,917
Any chance you post under the title
906
00:29:49,074 --> 00:29:50,494
"truecrimejunkie"?
907
00:29:51,231 --> 00:29:52,538
I...
908
00:29:53,524 --> 00:29:54,696
That-That...
909
00:29:54,744 --> 00:29:56,274
That doesn't s...
910
00:29:56,352 --> 00:29:58,009
I might have logged on once...
911
00:29:58,057 --> 00:30:00,127
- Once or twice, yeah.
- Seriously?
912
00:30:00,543 --> 00:30:01,834
I mean, can you not see,
913
00:30:01,882 --> 00:30:03,890
how people would take that
as a clear sign of bias?
914
00:30:03,938 --> 00:30:05,313
I categorically deny,
915
00:30:05,361 --> 00:30:07,652
any preferential treatment, okay?
916
00:30:07,735 --> 00:30:09,281
INTERVIEWER: How can
you say that with a straight face,
917
00:30:09,329 --> 00:30:10,333
when it was revealed that Julien,
918
00:30:10,381 --> 00:30:12,289
was the son of the
French Finance Minister?
919
00:30:12,337 --> 00:30:13,417
Are you telling me you didn't get
920
00:30:13,465 --> 00:30:15,066
- a phone call asking you...
- [SPEAKING FRENCH]
921
00:30:15,114 --> 00:30:15,970
Merci beaucoup.
922
00:30:16,052 --> 00:30:17,310
C'est terminé.
923
00:30:17,368 --> 00:30:18,426
Merci.
924
00:30:18,474 --> 00:30:20,444
Oh, come on, don't do that.
Come back.
925
00:30:20,493 --> 00:30:21,837
INTERVIEWER: So,
it must've been so frustrating,
926
00:30:21,885 --> 00:30:23,219
to learn that the French police
927
00:30:23,267 --> 00:30:25,330
knew his identity,
before your first trial, and,
928
00:30:25,378 --> 00:30:26,652
didn't say anything.
929
00:30:26,700 --> 00:30:29,105
I mean, yeah.
The-the good news was that,
930
00:30:29,153 --> 00:30:31,529
the fact that they ignored Julien...
931
00:30:31,578 --> 00:30:33,659
Uh, it got me my retrial.
932
00:30:33,707 --> 00:30:36,233
But, the bad news was,
933
00:30:36,281 --> 00:30:38,688
the unidentified DNA on the knife,
it...
934
00:30:38,736 --> 00:30:40,623
It didn't belong to Julien, so he...
935
00:30:40,671 --> 00:30:42,096
You know, he had an alibi.
936
00:30:42,145 --> 00:30:43,608
As horrible as the experience was,
937
00:30:43,657 --> 00:30:45,110
is there anything
that you actually miss,
938
00:30:45,158 --> 00:30:46,682
- from that time?
- I miss?
939
00:30:47,024 --> 00:30:48,266
God, no.
940
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:49,645
W...
941
00:30:50,158 --> 00:30:51,538
Well, Carlos.
942
00:30:51,923 --> 00:30:53,811
- Carlos?
- [CHUCKLING] Yeah.
943
00:30:53,860 --> 00:30:55,996
Uh, Carlos the Jackal.
944
00:30:56,052 --> 00:30:57,441
He-he, was my cellmate.
945
00:30:57,621 --> 00:30:59,231
And, uh, man, pbht,
946
00:30:59,279 --> 00:31:00,553
he has some stories.
947
00:31:00,602 --> 00:31:02,012
So you're saying the Jackal,
948
00:31:02,060 --> 00:31:04,199
got you through your year
and a half of incarceration?
949
00:31:04,248 --> 00:31:05,418
No.
950
00:31:05,473 --> 00:31:06,523
My mom did.
951
00:31:06,571 --> 00:31:07,942
Yeah, I don't...
952
00:31:08,082 --> 00:31:10,079
I don't think I would have got
through it, without her.
953
00:31:10,181 --> 00:31:11,526
Um...
954
00:31:11,614 --> 00:31:15,309
She actually leased
an apartment in Paris,
955
00:31:15,357 --> 00:31:16,789
until I was released.
956
00:31:16,837 --> 00:31:18,970
And, uh, she visited me every week.
957
00:31:19,019 --> 00:31:20,967
And I'll tell you what.
If they would have let her,
958
00:31:21,015 --> 00:31:22,375
she would have been
over there every day.
959
00:31:22,423 --> 00:31:23,842
Of course I moved to Paris.
960
00:31:23,891 --> 00:31:25,145
I'm his mother.
961
00:31:25,193 --> 00:31:27,930
I would have served the prison
time for him, if I could.
962
00:31:28,009 --> 00:31:30,024
- You're a close family.
- We are.
963
00:31:30,095 --> 00:31:31,412
We've been tested.
964
00:31:31,460 --> 00:31:33,153
Were you close with Patrick?
965
00:31:33,469 --> 00:31:34,596
Yes.
966
00:31:34,645 --> 00:31:35,803
I adored him.
967
00:31:35,852 --> 00:31:37,244
He was a wonderful boy.
968
00:31:37,293 --> 00:31:38,343
According to your friends,
969
00:31:38,392 --> 00:31:39,753
you thought Patrick was a troublemaker,
970
00:31:39,801 --> 00:31:40,859
and a bad influence on Aaron.
971
00:31:40,908 --> 00:31:43,032
Anyone who said that, was lying.
972
00:31:43,157 --> 00:31:44,330
Yvonne...
973
00:31:44,378 --> 00:31:46,820
Were you in Paris,
the day Patrick was murdered?
974
00:31:47,606 --> 00:31:50,092
Of course not.
I was here in LA.
975
00:31:50,666 --> 00:31:51,967
How do you explain this footage,
976
00:31:52,016 --> 00:31:53,954
taken the day of Patrick's murder?
977
00:31:54,052 --> 00:31:55,483
[VEHICLES PASSING]
978
00:31:55,720 --> 00:32:01,243
♪ ♪
979
00:32:01,882 --> 00:32:03,370
Oh, hell, no.
980
00:32:03,419 --> 00:32:04,626
This interview is over.
981
00:32:04,704 --> 00:32:06,360
- Yvonne.
- No. No.
982
00:32:06,408 --> 00:32:08,532
We did not okay this question.
983
00:32:08,620 --> 00:32:10,146
Who do you think you are?
984
00:32:10,453 --> 00:32:12,672
- Fired!
- I actually don't work for you.
985
00:32:12,785 --> 00:32:15,029
You need to kiss my ass.
986
00:32:15,059 --> 00:32:16,939
INTERVIEWER: Did you know
that your mother was in Paris,
987
00:32:16,987 --> 00:32:18,566
the day that Patrick was killed?
988
00:32:18,787 --> 00:32:20,128
What?
989
00:32:20,316 --> 00:32:21,555
No, she was...
990
00:32:21,713 --> 00:32:22,926
She was home in LA.
991
00:32:23,061 --> 00:32:24,414
Mm, we have footage of her,
992
00:32:24,462 --> 00:32:25,754
shopping on the Champs-Elysées,
993
00:32:25,802 --> 00:32:27,763
- the night of the murder.
- Okay, well, that... [CHUCKLES]
994
00:32:27,811 --> 00:32:29,097
That's impossible.
995
00:32:29,246 --> 00:32:30,686
Isn't this her?
996
00:32:31,734 --> 00:32:37,170
♪ ♪
997
00:32:37,327 --> 00:32:40,064
[BREATHES DEEPLY]
998
00:32:40,268 --> 00:32:41,593
Okay.
999
00:32:43,072 --> 00:32:44,765
Officer Thorsen, come back.
1000
00:32:45,002 --> 00:32:46,975
Come on.
Let's finish this interview.
1001
00:32:47,206 --> 00:32:49,050
MAN: [WHISPERING]
Hey, there he is.
1002
00:32:49,209 --> 00:32:50,569
- AARON: You lied to me.
- Jimmy, get down.
1003
00:32:50,618 --> 00:32:51,904
You lied to everyone.
1004
00:32:51,984 --> 00:32:53,984
I didn't want all my
private business out there,
1005
00:32:54,033 --> 00:32:55,094
for all the world to see.
1006
00:32:55,143 --> 00:32:56,646
Mom, you are literally producing
1007
00:32:56,694 --> 00:32:58,314
a reality show about our lives.
1008
00:32:58,363 --> 00:32:59,689
That's different.
1009
00:32:59,784 --> 00:33:01,229
I was on trial for murder,
1010
00:33:01,277 --> 00:33:03,167
- fighting for my life.
- Exactly.
1011
00:33:03,235 --> 00:33:05,773
The fact that I was even in Paris,
on that night...
1012
00:33:05,822 --> 00:33:06,953
how does that help you?
1013
00:33:07,002 --> 00:33:08,026
INTERVIEWER: And what was
your reaction,
1014
00:33:08,074 --> 00:33:09,354
to the revelation that Aaron's mother
1015
00:33:09,402 --> 00:33:10,805
was in Paris at the time of the murder?
1016
00:33:10,854 --> 00:33:11,916
Like, bombshell.
1017
00:33:11,965 --> 00:33:12,986
Game changer.
I mean,
1018
00:33:13,034 --> 00:33:15,012
none of this stuff came
out at the time of the trial.
1019
00:33:15,060 --> 00:33:16,361
[CHUCKLES] This is...
1020
00:33:16,409 --> 00:33:18,363
It's so exciting,
what it means for the case...
1021
00:33:18,411 --> 00:33:20,307
Not for Aaron.
His mom lied to him.
1022
00:33:20,706 --> 00:33:22,057
Y-Yes, that...
1023
00:33:22,105 --> 00:33:23,787
Well, that is true.
1024
00:33:26,115 --> 00:33:27,416
Thanks for coming back in.
1025
00:33:27,549 --> 00:33:28,948
We just need to clear something up,
1026
00:33:28,996 --> 00:33:30,201
about the night Patrick was killed.
1027
00:33:30,249 --> 00:33:31,291
Patrick?
1028
00:33:31,339 --> 00:33:33,126
I thought this was
about Morris's murder.
1029
00:33:33,175 --> 00:33:34,647
Oh, it's about both.
1030
00:33:34,859 --> 00:33:38,227
See, you felt Patrick
was a bad influence on your son.
1031
00:33:38,388 --> 00:33:40,643
So you flew Aaron to Paris,
to separate them.
1032
00:33:40,752 --> 00:33:42,846
Only Patrick, followed Aaron there,
1033
00:33:43,001 --> 00:33:45,129
so, you took matters
into your own hands.
1034
00:33:45,232 --> 00:33:46,513
You flew to Paris,
1035
00:33:46,571 --> 00:33:47,623
you killed Patrick.
1036
00:33:47,672 --> 00:33:49,539
But somehow, Morris found out,
1037
00:33:49,697 --> 00:33:51,872
so, to keep your deadly secret,
1038
00:33:52,097 --> 00:33:53,679
you killed him too.
1039
00:33:55,013 --> 00:33:58,424
Yeah, that's a fun theory...
1040
00:33:58,626 --> 00:34:00,954
A good story, but you're wrong.
1041
00:34:01,106 --> 00:34:02,799
Then explain why you went to Paris,
1042
00:34:02,847 --> 00:34:04,612
and, why you kept it a secret.
1043
00:34:04,688 --> 00:34:08,088
Because, I was with Jean-Pierre Darby.
1044
00:34:08,137 --> 00:34:09,501
- Who?
- The footballer?
1045
00:34:09,549 --> 00:34:11,035
Yes, we met a month before,
1046
00:34:11,083 --> 00:34:12,748
at a fashion show in Milan.
1047
00:34:12,850 --> 00:34:13,904
I'm...
1048
00:34:13,952 --> 00:34:15,233
I'm sorry, you went to Paris,
1049
00:34:15,281 --> 00:34:16,848
for an international bootie call?
1050
00:34:16,897 --> 00:34:17,950
Yes.
1051
00:34:17,999 --> 00:34:19,628
And we were in bed all night.
1052
00:34:19,677 --> 00:34:20,861
Ask him.
1053
00:34:21,014 --> 00:34:22,920
Hell, ask the neighbors.
1054
00:34:23,286 --> 00:34:24,615
YVONNE: They were determined,
1055
00:34:24,664 --> 00:34:25,730
to convict you.
1056
00:34:25,779 --> 00:34:27,563
Had it come out, that I was in town,
1057
00:34:27,611 --> 00:34:29,130
they would've used it against you,
1058
00:34:29,178 --> 00:34:31,915
said that we were conspiring,
to kill Patrick.
1059
00:34:32,082 --> 00:34:33,928
Coming clean would've
only hurt your case,
1060
00:34:33,976 --> 00:34:35,175
made it worse.
1061
00:34:35,224 --> 00:34:37,389
Yeah, you know what? I forgot
how good you are at that.
1062
00:34:37,467 --> 00:34:38,530
At what?
1063
00:34:38,579 --> 00:34:40,032
At justifying yourself.
1064
00:34:40,419 --> 00:34:41,928
You lied in a murder trial,
1065
00:34:41,976 --> 00:34:43,457
you cheated on your husband,
1066
00:34:43,506 --> 00:34:45,015
and now you're the hero, right?
1067
00:34:45,629 --> 00:34:46,974
Yeah.
Sure, Mom.
1068
00:34:47,053 --> 00:34:48,490
We'll go with that.
1069
00:34:51,932 --> 00:34:53,363
[SIGHS HEAVILY]
1070
00:34:53,506 --> 00:34:55,386
INTERVIEWER: You accused
Aaron's mother of the murder.
1071
00:34:55,434 --> 00:34:56,749
With almost no evidence to back it up.
1072
00:34:56,988 --> 00:34:58,202
I, I did.
1073
00:34:58,250 --> 00:35:00,159
And, uh...
1074
00:35:00,350 --> 00:35:01,510
In my defense,
1075
00:35:01,558 --> 00:35:03,643
I'd been scrubbing
reality show footage,
1076
00:35:03,691 --> 00:35:05,631
for over 200 hours at that point.
1077
00:35:05,734 --> 00:35:07,124
So who broke the case?
1078
00:35:07,210 --> 00:35:08,642
Oh, that was Detective Lopez.
1079
00:35:08,740 --> 00:35:10,693
My wife is a badass.
1080
00:35:10,741 --> 00:35:12,260
We knew the murders were connected.
1081
00:35:12,308 --> 00:35:13,957
And we knew that
Patrick's murder in Paris
1082
00:35:14,005 --> 00:35:16,084
was never properly investigated, so...
1083
00:35:16,132 --> 00:35:17,744
I dug back into that case.
1084
00:35:17,792 --> 00:35:19,876
Right now I'm just
trying to build a timeline,
1085
00:35:19,924 --> 00:35:22,487
getting to know more
about Patrick's life.
1086
00:35:22,535 --> 00:35:24,568
What did the four of
you do that last month?
1087
00:35:24,712 --> 00:35:25,969
No detail is too small.
1088
00:35:26,235 --> 00:35:27,878
Um...
1089
00:35:28,106 --> 00:35:29,850
Let's ask my brain.
1090
00:35:30,948 --> 00:35:33,125
I can tell you one thing
that we definitely didn't do.
1091
00:35:33,174 --> 00:35:34,325
Go to class.
1092
00:35:34,373 --> 00:35:35,669
I mean, Aaron's parents let him borrow
1093
00:35:35,717 --> 00:35:37,315
their private jet anytime he wanted,
1094
00:35:37,363 --> 00:35:38,760
so we went all around Europe.
1095
00:35:38,815 --> 00:35:40,966
I mean, Italy.
1096
00:35:41,294 --> 00:35:42,372
Greece.
1097
00:35:42,421 --> 00:35:44,137
French Riviera.
[CHUCKLES]
1098
00:35:44,295 --> 00:35:46,159
- Can I see?
- Yeah.
1099
00:35:46,357 --> 00:35:47,778
I thought, screw school,
1100
00:35:47,827 --> 00:35:48,886
when am I ever gonna get to visit
1101
00:35:48,935 --> 00:35:50,682
planet rich again, right?
So...
1102
00:35:50,730 --> 00:35:52,608
Santorini for the weekend?
1103
00:35:52,870 --> 00:35:53,997
Yes, please.
1104
00:35:54,045 --> 00:35:55,738
These photos of you guys on the tarmac,
1105
00:35:55,786 --> 00:35:57,653
you always have so much luggage.
1106
00:35:57,702 --> 00:35:58,713
I know.
1107
00:35:58,762 --> 00:36:01,426
Rowan always acted like
it was the Oregon Trail.
1108
00:36:01,544 --> 00:36:03,050
Why?
Every time I've seen him,
1109
00:36:03,098 --> 00:36:04,921
he was wearing a golf tee and jeans.
1110
00:36:04,969 --> 00:36:06,357
Not exactly a clotheshorse.
1111
00:36:06,592 --> 00:36:08,190
Oh, uh...
1112
00:36:08,886 --> 00:36:10,057
True.
1113
00:36:10,105 --> 00:36:11,321
I wonder what was in there.
1114
00:36:11,574 --> 00:36:13,702
Did you ever see Rowan
with drugs back then?
1115
00:36:13,891 --> 00:36:14,977
I mean...
1116
00:36:15,025 --> 00:36:16,247
Yeah, he was always kind of
1117
00:36:16,295 --> 00:36:17,386
"the life of the party,"
1118
00:36:17,435 --> 00:36:18,943
if you know what I mean.
Why?
1119
00:36:18,991 --> 00:36:20,011
Before Paris,
1120
00:36:20,060 --> 00:36:22,373
Rowan's family in Iowa,
was in financial trouble.
1121
00:36:22,421 --> 00:36:23,670
He almost dropped out of school.
1122
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,195
Now, he lives in Brentwood,
and drives a Porsche.
1123
00:36:26,338 --> 00:36:27,778
I guess?
1124
00:36:28,166 --> 00:36:29,466
I...
1125
00:36:29,514 --> 00:36:31,955
I see you're very excited,
and I love that, I...
1126
00:36:32,168 --> 00:36:33,253
I'm not really following.
1127
00:36:33,302 --> 00:36:34,347
I...
1128
00:36:34,396 --> 00:36:35,464
[DOOR CLOSES]
1129
00:36:35,513 --> 00:36:36,823
Hey, Nolan.
1130
00:36:36,956 --> 00:36:38,213
Where's Rowan?
1131
00:36:38,317 --> 00:36:39,839
Uh, he just left.
1132
00:36:39,888 --> 00:36:41,807
- Why? I thought you were done with him?
- I was...
1133
00:36:41,855 --> 00:36:44,053
Until I realized,
he's the one who killed Patrick.
1134
00:36:44,959 --> 00:36:46,912
Alright. Here we go.
1135
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:48,836
- Here we go.
- KEITH: Nice, nice.
1136
00:36:48,884 --> 00:36:50,011
Bro, it's been crazy.
1137
00:36:50,059 --> 00:36:51,419
I've added like
half a million followers
1138
00:36:51,467 --> 00:36:52,709
from all the publicity.
1139
00:36:52,758 --> 00:36:53,927
What? You think, uh...
1140
00:36:53,975 --> 00:36:55,343
You think, uh, Aaron did it?
1141
00:36:55,455 --> 00:36:56,644
Pbht. Of course he did.
1142
00:36:56,693 --> 00:36:58,168
The guy's a total psycho.
1143
00:36:58,217 --> 00:36:59,594
Okay, watch this...
1144
00:37:03,594 --> 00:37:05,079
Aw. Fudge.
1145
00:37:05,138 --> 00:37:06,219
Hold on,
I'm gonna do it again...
1146
00:37:06,267 --> 00:37:07,640
- Okay, okay.
- [SIREN CHIRPING]
1147
00:37:08,117 --> 00:37:09,939
- Rowan.
- What the hell?
1148
00:37:10,225 --> 00:37:11,684
We got a warrant for your arrest.
1149
00:37:11,733 --> 00:37:12,784
What?
1150
00:37:12,833 --> 00:37:14,313
For what?
1151
00:37:14,474 --> 00:37:15,972
LUCY: For the murders
of Patrick Hayes,
1152
00:37:16,027 --> 00:37:17,192
and Morris Mackey.
1153
00:37:17,241 --> 00:37:19,518
- Oh, snap.
- That's crazy.
1154
00:37:19,566 --> 00:37:21,491
And wrong.
I didn't...
1155
00:37:21,694 --> 00:37:22,826
Why would you even think that?
1156
00:37:22,874 --> 00:37:24,594
Because Patrick found out
you were smuggling drugs
1157
00:37:24,642 --> 00:37:26,917
in Aaron's private jet, and
threatened to tell the police.
1158
00:37:27,053 --> 00:37:29,180
Somehow Morris found out
that you killed Patrick
1159
00:37:29,228 --> 00:37:30,241
to protect your secret,
1160
00:37:30,289 --> 00:37:31,487
so you killed him too.
1161
00:37:31,535 --> 00:37:32,749
- Come on.
- That's, I mean.
1162
00:37:32,797 --> 00:37:33,837
That's so-so wrong...
1163
00:37:33,885 --> 00:37:35,360
- Hey! Rowan!
- Rowan!
1164
00:37:35,408 --> 00:37:37,039
[SIREN WAILING]
1165
00:37:37,323 --> 00:37:38,581
- Okay.
- KEITH: Bro, wait.
1166
00:37:38,850 --> 00:37:41,802
[SIREN WAILING]
1167
00:37:41,959 --> 00:37:44,372
- Oh.
- Oh, snap.
1168
00:37:47,679 --> 00:37:48,913
LUCY: You okay?
1169
00:37:49,248 --> 00:37:50,767
Alright, you're fine.
1170
00:37:50,862 --> 00:37:52,122
Stand up.
1171
00:37:52,338 --> 00:37:53,901
- TIM: Put it down.
- You're under arrest.
1172
00:37:53,949 --> 00:37:56,686
Rowan always had these crazy plans.
1173
00:37:56,734 --> 00:37:57,817
You know...
1174
00:37:57,866 --> 00:37:59,323
"Let's go to Morocco," or,
1175
00:37:59,371 --> 00:38:02,923
"Dude, I heard about this
sick party in Ibiza...", and...
1176
00:38:03,464 --> 00:38:04,514
I-I...
1177
00:38:04,562 --> 00:38:06,208
I never thought about it,
1178
00:38:06,281 --> 00:38:07,456
but, he was the one,
1179
00:38:07,504 --> 00:38:10,020
who decided where we were flying to,
always.
1180
00:38:10,139 --> 00:38:11,538
And, you know, now,
1181
00:38:11,586 --> 00:38:14,028
looking back at it,
with "cop eyes," I mean...
1182
00:38:14,484 --> 00:38:16,235
It is so obvious...
1183
00:38:16,461 --> 00:38:18,638
That Rowan was up to something.
1184
00:38:19,191 --> 00:38:20,953
I just could never see it.
1185
00:38:22,368 --> 00:38:23,517
I mean,
1186
00:38:23,565 --> 00:38:25,096
Patrick did, though.
1187
00:38:26,452 --> 00:38:28,011
But, like, why, why...
1188
00:38:28,059 --> 00:38:29,632
Why didn't he tell me, you know?
1189
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:31,007
We talked about everything...
1190
00:38:31,056 --> 00:38:32,097
You know, why wouldn't he...
1191
00:38:32,146 --> 00:38:33,626
Why wouldn't he tell me about this?
1192
00:38:35,642 --> 00:38:37,257
You know, if he had...
1193
00:38:37,381 --> 00:38:39,763
♪ ♪
1194
00:38:40,382 --> 00:38:41,731
Everything...
1195
00:38:41,890 --> 00:38:43,472
Everything would've been so different.
1196
00:38:43,734 --> 00:38:48,816
♪ ♪
1197
00:38:49,091 --> 00:38:50,179
[CAR ALARM CHIRPS]
1198
00:38:51,658 --> 00:38:53,038
DEXTER: Aaron.
1199
00:38:58,493 --> 00:38:59,936
Is it true?
1200
00:39:00,363 --> 00:39:01,751
Yes, sir.
1201
00:39:02,931 --> 00:39:05,792
Rowan Clauson confessed
to murdering Patrick.
1202
00:39:08,980 --> 00:39:10,684
I'm so sorry I didn't believe you.
1203
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:14,788
Can you ever forgive me?
1204
00:39:17,387 --> 00:39:18,883
Of course.
1205
00:39:20,534 --> 00:39:23,402
♪ Say you'll be there for me ♪
1206
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:24,894
After all this time,
1207
00:39:24,942 --> 00:39:26,950
the case of who killed Patrick Hayes,
1208
00:39:26,998 --> 00:39:28,604
was finally solved.
1209
00:39:28,726 --> 00:39:30,649
But the question that lingers is...
1210
00:39:30,697 --> 00:39:33,870
Is whether the emotional
wounds will heal...
1211
00:39:33,918 --> 00:39:35,002
[INHALES SHARPLY]
1212
00:39:35,050 --> 00:39:36,889
- ♪ When I need you ♪
- Feels gross, right?
1213
00:39:36,937 --> 00:39:39,652
- Yeah.
- ♪ I need you ♪
1214
00:39:40,055 --> 00:39:41,925
♪ Say you'll be there ♪
1215
00:39:42,073 --> 00:39:43,488
Two people were dead.
1216
00:39:43,536 --> 00:39:44,667
♪ ...for an answer that I... ♪
1217
00:39:44,716 --> 00:39:47,261
Even after you catch the guy,
it's still just...
1218
00:39:47,310 --> 00:39:48,518
- ♪ Look down and see ♪
- Awful.
1219
00:39:48,566 --> 00:39:50,550
- ♪ The body I can barely breathe in ♪
- I'm just glad
1220
00:39:50,598 --> 00:39:52,019
the truth finally came out.
1221
00:39:52,067 --> 00:39:55,605
Aaron's innocence,
is now proven without a doubt.
1222
00:39:56,201 --> 00:39:58,808
He deserves to move on
with the rest of his life.
1223
00:39:58,962 --> 00:40:01,193
And we'll be here to help him do that.
1224
00:40:01,467 --> 00:40:02,943
INTERVIEWER:
And now that it's over,
1225
00:40:02,991 --> 00:40:04,612
what's your view of Aaron Thorsen?
1226
00:40:04,698 --> 00:40:05,920
Ah. [CHUCKLES]
1227
00:40:05,969 --> 00:40:07,276
I will admit,
1228
00:40:07,324 --> 00:40:10,154
it took a minute,
for Aaron to win me over, but...
1229
00:40:10,487 --> 00:40:12,214
Once he did, I knew he'd be a good cop.
1230
00:40:12,377 --> 00:40:14,432
- ♪ I need your help ♪
- Alright, I'm done.
1231
00:40:14,564 --> 00:40:15,859
Uh, wait.
1232
00:40:15,908 --> 00:40:17,612
This is not gonna air,
1233
00:40:17,795 --> 00:40:19,468
before his training is done, right?
1234
00:40:19,517 --> 00:40:20,525
'Cause I gotta...
1235
00:40:20,573 --> 00:40:21,847
I gotta keep him hungry.
1236
00:40:21,925 --> 00:40:24,707
I never once stopped
believing in my boy.
1237
00:40:25,143 --> 00:40:27,358
INTERVIEWER: Has he forgiven you,
for the lie?
1238
00:40:27,663 --> 00:40:29,143
He will.
1239
00:40:29,191 --> 00:40:31,410
There's nothing our family
can't get through.
1240
00:40:31,671 --> 00:40:33,060
It looks like Aaron
will finally be able
1241
00:40:33,108 --> 00:40:34,452
to put all this behind him.
1242
00:40:34,500 --> 00:40:36,759
That's, that's not really how it works.
1243
00:40:36,889 --> 00:40:38,896
I mean, as someone who has,
1244
00:40:39,323 --> 00:40:41,448
had friends killed, you never really,
1245
00:40:41,496 --> 00:40:42,591
get closure.
1246
00:40:42,736 --> 00:40:44,653
All you can hope for is that,
1247
00:40:45,104 --> 00:40:46,407
the memories of them...
1248
00:40:46,456 --> 00:40:48,320
The, the, good times,
1249
00:40:48,368 --> 00:40:50,643
you had together, are what you see,
1250
00:40:50,691 --> 00:40:51,643
when you think of them.
1251
00:40:51,691 --> 00:40:52,800
How does it feel,
1252
00:40:52,848 --> 00:40:54,603
having the truth come
out after all these years?
1253
00:40:54,651 --> 00:40:56,387
♪ When I need you to ♪
1254
00:40:56,633 --> 00:40:57,683
I-I...
1255
00:40:57,731 --> 00:40:58,753
I don't know.
It's...
1256
00:40:58,801 --> 00:41:00,211
It's still sinking in.
1257
00:41:00,317 --> 00:41:02,053
This is obviously gonna make
compelling episodes
1258
00:41:02,102 --> 00:41:03,165
of your reality show.
1259
00:41:03,214 --> 00:41:04,511
Oh, no.
That...
1260
00:41:05,044 --> 00:41:06,506
"Every Rose Has A Thorsen"
1261
00:41:06,554 --> 00:41:08,664
is not moving forward,
I mean, it was...
1262
00:41:08,712 --> 00:41:11,552
it was a mistake to do
in the first place, yeah.
1263
00:41:11,700 --> 00:41:12,751
I mean, the only reason
1264
00:41:12,799 --> 00:41:14,489
why I did agree to it, was to,
1265
00:41:14,537 --> 00:41:16,190
rehabilitate my image.
1266
00:41:16,364 --> 00:41:19,224
Um, but ironically, it...
1267
00:41:19,437 --> 00:41:21,149
Ended up doing something even better...
1268
00:41:21,330 --> 00:41:23,755
Which was, uncover the truth.
1269
00:41:24,072 --> 00:41:25,935
- So what are you gonna do now?
- ♪ You reach out and say ♪
1270
00:41:25,983 --> 00:41:28,332
♪ what I need to hear ♪
1271
00:41:28,380 --> 00:41:30,799
♪ Might be dark right now ♪
1272
00:41:30,847 --> 00:41:32,561
♪ but the light is near ♪
1273
00:41:32,610 --> 00:41:33,655
Live.
1274
00:41:33,704 --> 00:41:36,105
- ♪ And I know that you... ♪
- For myself.
1275
00:41:36,154 --> 00:41:38,634
- ♪ ...will always be here ♪
- And for Patrick.
1276
00:41:38,683 --> 00:41:39,819
Mm-hmm.
1277
00:41:39,882 --> 00:41:42,347
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1278
00:41:46,877 --> 00:41:54,877
♪ ♪
1279
00:41:54,972 --> 00:42:02,932
♪ ♪
1280
00:42:02,980 --> 00:42:10,980
♪ ♪