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JUDI: Hello, Joan.
- JOAN: Hello, darling.

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Do you want me to sit here?
- MAN: Yes, please.

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INDISTINCT CHATTER

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God almighty, leave me alone!

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Would you mind taking
a little step to your left...?

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To my left?
- To you left.

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I'm Mark, pleased to meet you
- Hello.

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I think we'd better do it
because we're taking root.

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MARK: And then we're gonna do some
where you're sort of...

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JOAN:
Yes, we look awfully hot.

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EILEEN:
Oh that's an awful angle, Mark.

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It really is.

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It's not fair to old ladies
- THEY LAUGH

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MARK: You look wonderful.
- JOAN: No, why are you doing this?

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EILEEN:
Why are you doing that?

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You've got to start somewhere.

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Is it your first day?

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You've never done it before?

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I don't think so, so give him a break.

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Look, see how Jude does it?

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Mum?

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MAGGIE: So beautifully
- JUDI: I do that or that.

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EILEEN:
You're not my friend, Mark.

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I'm never going to a speak to you again

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I never want to see you again.

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Oh no don't be grumpy

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THEY LAUGH

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MAGGIE:
She's not being grumpy, she's being starry.

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Are we ready to go?

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I think we've been
- We've been.

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CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS

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MAN:
Scene, mark.

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Now, if anybody wants
to lie down, ladies.

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I'm here, darling

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How far away?

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Not far away

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Round the corner?
- Just round the corner.

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Alright

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INTERVIEWER: I want to start with when
you first set eyes upon each other.

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Judi, can we start with you?
- Oh, God.

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Yes but... has anyone got a memory?

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Let alone... oh, God.

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Well, I think I met you, Mags
in about 1958.

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I think so.

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And we did The Double-Dealer
and we went to the Edinburgh to the festival

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and got pursued by Miles Malleson.

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MAGGIE:
Did we do that in Edinburgh?

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Yeah, we did it at the festival
don't you remember?

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No.

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Yes, you and I had to hide.

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It's gone, it's gone.

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JUDI: We had to hide between
the two shows because of Miles Malleson.

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MAGGIE:
I didn't know we were in Edinburgh.

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Were we good?

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No, I don't think we were.

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Too long ago

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JOAN: I remember you saying, Mags,
that you'd been discovered and rediscovered.

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Yeah, I'm still hanging in for that
- THEY LAUGH

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<i>INTERVIEWER: Who saw Share My Lasses
Joan did you</i> see <i>Share My Lasses?</i>

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Well yes, you weren't listening
and I've just told you.

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THEY LAUGH

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I was feeling depressed at the time
and friends said

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'Oh we'll take you out to somewhere
that'll cheer you up madly.

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It's Kenneth Williams, he's very funny
as you know, and there's this new girl

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Don't.
- And that was the new girl.

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Would you say Kenneth
had been quite a big influence on you?

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An enormous influence.

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I mean, I pinch from him all the time.

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Can you give us some examples?

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Well, in <i>Black</i> Comedy, I'm doing a
complete Kenneth, I mean it's outrageous.

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He hasn't seen it, he'd be livid.

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You know, that awful Mrs Punnett who keeps
whistling like that, you know, it's pure Ken.

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KEN:
Settle down.

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INTERVIEWER:
Eileen, tell us a bit about Baby Eileen?

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A gypsy told my mother
I was going to be a dancer

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and she kept sending me
to dancing lessons

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and I kept screaming and wanting
to come home again from the age of three.

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And finally at five, I seemed stuck there.

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And that particular dancing school
was called The KY School

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and we had it on all our clothes... KY
- MAGGIE: Gracious.

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My brother played the drums there
and his drums had KY on it.

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We never knew why people laughed
slightly or looked the other way.

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That's sad.

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And I danced in working men's clubs
I mean, two or three times a week

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until my grammar school said
She falls asleep in school all the tlme '

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Cause you were up all night
doing these things?

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Yes,yes

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EILEEN:
Well, it was paedophilia land really.

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We were little girls up there.

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Then what, did you decide just that
you didn't want to do it anymore?

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I did my first play when I was ten
and kept telling my mum

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from then on, that I didn't want to dance
I was going to do this other thing.

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We all just thought we were
going to be stage actresses.

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MAGGIE: Yes.
- EILEEN: Yeah.

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JOAN:
Did you start off with light and make-up?

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MAGGIE AND JUDI
Yes, five and nine.

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Five and nine was the men's make up.

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No, I wore Dark Egyptian in one thing.

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Peter Pan

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Five and nine was really the men's
make-up, wasn't it?

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JOAN: But you added a bit of three
or two and a half to it if you're a girl.

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And a big red spot in the corner
of your eyes.

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EILEEN: Absolutely

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Oh, yes, red spots in the eye
- Big red spot.

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Crimson Lake if you were being aged.

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JUDI:
Yes, lines of Crimson Lake.

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People coming out of drama schools years ago

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wanted to go to Bristol Old Vic

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or Oxford or somewhere
there's a really good rep.

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JUDI: There was a thing wasn't there
where you went to reps

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and you stayed in digs and things

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that if the landlady wasn't very nice
or didn't do something

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you used to nail a Kipper
under the table before you left.

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EILEEN:
That's true

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Tim West went home one night
to a darkened house

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letting himself in the back
into the kitchen

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and the landlady

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was having sex with a man on the table.

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And she was right out lying
and as he opened the door, she saw him

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and she said 'Oh, Mr West,
you must think I'm such a flirt

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On the table?
- On the table.

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Unaware there was a Kipper
attached to it.

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The Kipper!

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How ghastly

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Let's go through here!

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JUDI:
I went straight from the Vic

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<i>to</i> do <i>The Cherry Orchard</i>

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which was with...

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MAGGIE: Oh, that was an amazing cast
- JUDI: ...Michel Saint-Denis and Peggy.

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And Sir John.

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EILEEN: Who was the director?
- JOAN: Michel Saint-Denis was it?

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JUDI:
And he was really, really unkind.

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He used to come to the end of Act One
and then he'd give notes

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and he'd give a note here and he'd give
a note there and he'd give a note there.

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And he'd get to me, he'd go

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JOAN:
Oh, horrible.

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And Peggy, I remember, said to me
To think I nearly married that man' she said.

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And then she said,
Never ever let him see you cry.

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Never let him see you cry

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And then one day we got
to the end of Act One

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and he used to give the notes then

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and Sir John said 'Well if you'd been doing
that for me, I'd be delighted,' he said.

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And it changed absolutely
everything for me.

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It just... entirely changed my life
really as far as, you know

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the fear of directors,
because the more you get frightened

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you know, and somebody goes like that
the less you can do.

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You can't mend it.

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Goodnight, Uncle.

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God bless you, little Anya
Mmm.

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I was at the Old Vic theatre school,
run by Judi's friend Michel Saint-Denis.

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JUIDXI:
pa.

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And George Devine

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And it was George who asked me
to join the company for...

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well, it was called
the English Stage Company

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but it just became known
as the Royal Court.

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Michel Saint-Denis had been told

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that they were asking me to join the company

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and Michel had said...

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'She can't play queens, you know '

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And George had said

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'I should think the last thing we want
in a theatre for contemporary writers

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is girls born to play queens

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THEY LAUGH

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THUNDER CLAPS

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MAN:
Stop there.

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INDISTINCT CHATTER

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JOAN:
I thought we were going to sing.

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It's very wet.
- Oh, well. Yes.

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THUNDER RUMBLES

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CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS

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MAGGIE:
Shall we sit under the table?

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<i>#</i> Timothy's under the table

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<i>#</i> Be careful what you say

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<i>#</i> Timothy's under the table
so look the other way

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<i>#</i> You can tickle and squeeze
as much as you please

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<i>#</i> But don't you go too far

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<i>#</i> Because Timothy's under the table

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<i>#</i> And he's bound to tell his ma <i>#</i>

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Why eke II remember mew

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JUDI:
What is that?

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MAGGIE: It's the musical we were in
Hark Hark <i>the</i> Fart.

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<i>JUDI: Listen to the W/no'...
it's called Listen to the Wind.</i>

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It's a terrible title.
- It is a terrible title.

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That's what Ronnie called it
is Hark Hark the Fart.

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MUSIC:
Timothy's Under The Table

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I forget.
Why did we start on that?

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INTERVIEWER
Cleopatra...

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Maggie, talk to us a bit about...

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I'm not going to talk about Cleopatra.

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JOAN
Right.

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INTERVIEWER
Judi, you start.

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You

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Uh-uh.
- Why?

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Nobody...
SHE LAUGHS

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I'm in the clear with this one.

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SHE GASPS

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You bang on.

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What do you mean, you're in the clear?
- You talk about Cleopatra?

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I've turned it down four times because
I thought I wasn't good looking enough.

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That's the end of my story of Cleopatra

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What are we meant to say about that?

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WNW

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What are we meant to say to that?

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You're meant to say...
- 'Oh, Eileen, how stupid of you

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What a fool.' No.

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Not good looking, that's a silly word
I don't know.

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No, I didn't have the courage.

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There you are,
I didn't have the courage.

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No, neither did I, that's why I did it
in Canada.

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JUDI: At least you did it though
- EILEEN: But you did it.

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Yes, I didn't have the courage,
I was asked by Jonathan Miller to do it

212
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I just said I couldn't possibly
do it at the National

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because in my own mind
I wouldn't be first choice.

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Half of them will say, 'Oh my God,
you know, she shouldn't be playing Cleopatra

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Cleopatra's supposed to be a great beauty '

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So that's the first stumbling block
isn't it?

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But you said a marvellous thing, Judi
when you were asked to do Cleopatra...

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Do you really want... now you go on with it.

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What? I can't remember.

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I just remember people laughing openly

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I prefer what you said.
When I said I was going to play it

222
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and it was announced,
people laughed openly at me

223
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But you said to Peter Hall,
was it, that was in charge?

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'Do you really want...'
Do you want me to say it?

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JUDI:
Yes, I do. 'Menopausal dwarf

226
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That's it. It's very funny.

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Are you sure you want a menopausal dwarf
to play this part?' It's true.

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Absolutely true

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MAGGIE: That's what she was
- That's what she was, quite.

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It's the way I played it
- MAGGIE: It's true.

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Where is the fellow?
- Half are feared to come.

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Go to, go to

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Come hither, sir.

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Good majesty, Herod of Jewry
dare not look upon you

235
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but when you are well pleased.

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That Herod's head I'll have.

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But how when Anthony is gone,
through whom I might command it?

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00:11:48,110 --> 00:11:51,193
They assume, well, I'm talking about critics

239
00:11:51,230 --> 00:11:56,441
that we all think we're the king's knees,
the bee's knees

240
00:11:56,470 --> 00:11:58,677
and will take on these parts.

241
00:11:58,710 --> 00:12:03,876
They don't realise
that we're shaking inside, right?

242
00:12:03,910 --> 00:12:06,151
That's absolutely true
because that's two of us

243
00:12:06,190 --> 00:12:08,397
didn't have any courage at all
and not do it.

244
00:12:08,430 --> 00:12:10,956
There's Maggie nervously doing it
in another country

245
00:12:10,990 --> 00:12:13,914
gm mu mmgny M ma.

246
00:12:14,430 --> 00:12:17,718
JUDI: And Tony Hopkins, on the top
of the monument, he used to say

247
00:12:19,070 --> 00:12:22,119
'I'm going now for a nice lie down
while you do Act Five'

248
00:12:22,150 --> 00:12:23,561
THEY LAUGH

249
00:12:23,590 --> 00:12:24,830
And that is what he said.

250
00:12:24,870 --> 00:12:26,838
But there's a lot of rest
before Act Five.

251
00:12:27,590 --> 00:12:30,594
There's a bit of rest in there with Pompey
and all that lot.

252
00:12:30,630 --> 00:12:32,394
It's long enough to lose the thread.

253
00:12:32,990 --> 00:12:36,597
We used to be up in that Monument,
when you're up there for a long time

254
00:12:37,630 --> 00:12:43,160
and Miranda Foster
and Helen Fitzgerald used to say to me

255
00:12:43,190 --> 00:12:45,477
What would you really like to eat now?'

256
00:12:45,950 --> 00:12:49,796
And I used to say 'What I'd like now
is a glass of champagne and a lobster salad

257
00:12:49,830 --> 00:12:53,073
And on the last, the very last night

258
00:12:53,470 --> 00:12:56,280
we were in the Monument

259
00:12:56,310 --> 00:12:57,675
and they said 'What would you like?'

260
00:12:57,710 --> 00:12:59,792
I said 'Oh, lobster salad and '

261
00:12:59,830 --> 00:13:01,753
And they went, 'dink' with the light

262
00:13:02,910 --> 00:13:04,071
and there it was

263
00:13:04,790 --> 00:13:05,632
And we had it.

264
00:13:05,670 --> 00:13:08,037
I found it very difficult to say
'To the Monument'

265
00:13:08,070 --> 00:13:10,357
cause it's like a tube station, isn't it?

266
00:13:11,830 --> 00:13:13,514
I think I wasn't good at that.

267
00:13:13,910 --> 00:13:16,231
'To the Monument' I thought
no, I'm sorry

268
00:13:16,670 --> 00:13:18,718
I'd rather not say that.

269
00:13:19,710 --> 00:13:23,431
But wasn't it Mags,
darling Mags Tyzack said

270
00:13:23,470 --> 00:13:27,998
she couldn't get her head round
having to say, 'I am for Argos.'

271
00:13:28,750 --> 00:13:31,515
THEY LAUGH
- MAGGIE: What was she doing?

272
00:13:32,470 --> 00:13:33,801
<i>Am Wm</i>

273
00:13:36,350 --> 00:13:37,681
You can't, can you?

274
00:13:38,110 --> 00:13:39,521
It's ridiculous.

275
00:13:40,390 --> 00:13:43,314
I've never not known
an Antony complain

276
00:13:44,470 --> 00:13:47,838
because I think they find out that
really it's Cleopatra's evening

277
00:13:49,230 --> 00:13:50,914
rather more than Antony's.

278
00:13:50,950 --> 00:13:54,591
I think Cleopatra is a better part
than Antony.

279
00:13:55,150 --> 00:13:58,472
And I think the men never know
until they're in the middle of doing it.

280
00:13:58,510 --> 00:13:59,716
MAGGIE
Oh, I see.

281
00:13:59,750 --> 00:14:01,320
EILEEN:
I know Alan Bates told me that.

282
00:14:01,350 --> 00:14:03,876
He said, 'Halfway through, I realised '

283
00:14:03,910 --> 00:14:06,072
MAGGIE: That's because he wanted
to play Cleopatra.

284
00:14:06,110 --> 00:14:08,317
EILEEN: There is something
of that in it, absolutely.

285
00:14:08,350 --> 00:14:09,715
Can't win.

286
00:14:10,190 --> 00:14:12,272
INTERVIEWER:
Talk a bit more about fright, if you will.

287
00:14:12,950 --> 00:14:14,520
On the way to the theatre

288
00:14:14,550 --> 00:14:15,756
I always think...

289
00:14:16,750 --> 00:14:18,798
Would you like to be run over now

290
00:14:19,110 --> 00:14:21,033
or in a massive car accident?'

291
00:14:22,110 --> 00:14:25,114
And I only just about come out
on the side of no.

292
00:14:27,070 --> 00:14:31,553
Or sometimes, I know occasions
where it could have turned to yes.

293
00:14:32,870 --> 00:14:36,079
I remember being in The Importance
and playing Cecily

294
00:14:36,110 --> 00:14:40,479
and I had a little speech which was

295
00:14:40,510 --> 00:14:42,638
It is always painful to part from people

296
00:14:42,670 --> 00:14:45,594
whom one has known
for a very brief space of time

297
00:14:45,630 --> 00:14:49,635
The absence of old friends
one can endure with equanimity

298
00:14:49,670 --> 00:14:52,196
but even a momentary separation
from one to whom

299
00:14:52,230 --> 00:14:54,995
one has just been introduced
is almost unbearable.'

300
00:14:55,390 --> 00:14:58,234
And I could not remember it.

301
00:14:58,270 --> 00:14:59,840
Well, you do now.
- I couldn't remember it at all.

302
00:14:59,870 --> 00:15:03,670
On the first night I just got it out
and Alec McCowen after it went, 'Pop!

303
00:15:04,630 --> 00:15:07,554
So I said to him, 'That's no help Alec '

304
00:15:07,590 --> 00:15:09,274
He said 'There was a passing fly '

305
00:15:11,230 --> 00:15:12,436
That's so mean

306
00:15:13,990 --> 00:15:15,833
And why should I remember that now?

307
00:15:15,870 --> 00:15:18,237
Because you spent a very long time
trying to learn it.

308
00:15:18,270 --> 00:15:19,795
Trying to learn it.

309
00:15:19,830 --> 00:15:22,071
That's all I can remember
are things like that.

310
00:15:22,590 --> 00:15:24,274
INTERVIEWER:
Can you talk a bit about naturalism?

311
00:15:24,310 --> 00:15:28,110
When you started out were people
much bigger in their performances?

312
00:15:28,310 --> 00:15:32,599
Well, I thought I'd done a very
naturalistic performance

313
00:15:32,630 --> 00:15:36,157
in The Duchess of A/Ia/f/on television
and then a couple of years ago

314
00:15:36,190 --> 00:15:39,034
I was at the Globe and they were doing
the doing The <i>Duchess</i> of Ma/fi

315
00:15:39,070 --> 00:15:40,799
in one of the other theatres

316
00:15:40,830 --> 00:15:44,198
and one of the cast came up
to me and said

317
00:15:44,230 --> 00:15:48,758
'Yes, we've watched your
old television of Ma/fi.

318
00:15:48,790 --> 00:15:52,761
Well, of course that was alright in your day
but we're going to do it naturally.'

319
00:15:54,830 --> 00:15:59,438
Why should only I,
of all the other princes in the world

320
00:16:00,990 --> 00:16:02,913
be cased up like a holy relic?

321
00:16:04,870 --> 00:16:06,235
I have youth and a little beauty.

322
00:16:06,270 --> 00:16:09,433
So you have some virgins that are witches.

323
00:16:10,950 --> 00:16:14,113
It's a different form of naturalism
each time, isn't it?

324
00:16:14,150 --> 00:16:19,793
I mean, each generation thinks they've found
the natural way to do something.

325
00:16:20,870 --> 00:16:26,240
No, be assured you shall not find me daughter
after the slander of most stepmothers

326
00:16:26,270 --> 00:16:27,874
evil-eyed unto you

327
00:16:28,350 --> 00:16:30,000
You are my prisoner but you're...

328
00:16:30,030 --> 00:16:33,830
ah, yes, you are my prisoner
but your jailer shall deliver you

329
00:16:33,870 --> 00:16:35,713
the keys that lock up your restraint.

330
00:16:35,750 --> 00:16:36,831
MAN:
Oh, you've done it.

331
00:16:36,870 --> 00:16:38,281
You've done it. That was perfect.

332
00:16:38,350 --> 00:16:39,920
That was absolutely perfect.

333
00:16:40,590 --> 00:16:42,115
That will never happen again.

334
00:16:42,150 --> 00:16:44,039
MAN:
No, it will, darling, it will.

335
00:16:44,550 --> 00:16:48,953
It's always very difficult for me to hear
Shakespeare

336
00:16:49,550 --> 00:16:54,716
being done in a natural way

337
00:16:55,270 --> 00:16:59,434
with pauses anywhere they like
and, 'Uh, uh, uh.'

338
00:17:00,430 --> 00:17:02,194
“Um...”

339
00:17:02,230 --> 00:17:06,997
Because they think it gives
the impression that they're thinking of it

340
00:17:07,030 --> 00:17:08,634
absolutely of the moment.

341
00:17:09,470 --> 00:17:13,316
But I mean, you know, Shakespeare is poetry

342
00:17:14,150 --> 00:17:16,471
and it does have a rhythm and it does...

343
00:17:16,510 --> 00:17:20,834
And there is a way of using the poetry
and being naturalistic.

344
00:17:21,710 --> 00:17:25,681
And that's seems to me,
if it's done and things are changed

345
00:17:25,710 --> 00:17:31,956
and it's broken up, it seems to me to be
losing entirely out on the other side of it.

346
00:17:31,990 --> 00:17:34,311
Y. MW-

347
00:17:35,830 --> 00:17:38,117
The quality of mercy is not strained.

348
00:17:39,870 --> 00:17:43,317
It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven
upon the place beneath.

349
00:17:44,870 --> 00:17:46,360
It is twice blessed.

350
00:17:47,510 --> 00:17:49,911
It blesseth him that gives
and him that takes.

351
00:17:50,630 --> 00:17:55,158
It's like you bring it down to you
and your size

352
00:17:55,190 --> 00:17:56,715
instead of reaching up

353
00:17:57,910 --> 00:17:59,992
to something that's a bit...

354
00:18:00,390 --> 00:18:05,635
Well, I think it would look pretty rum
if we all did it as they did it way back.

355
00:18:05,670 --> 00:18:07,991
Pre Laurence I talk about.

356
00:18:08,470 --> 00:18:10,438
I mean, it would look a bit quaint
wouldn't it?

357
00:18:11,350 --> 00:18:13,398
You have to move with the times

358
00:18:13,430 --> 00:18:15,717
JOAN: That would seem
to us like hollow booming.

359
00:18:16,630 --> 00:18:20,157
Yes, I think it does frequently sound
like that now.

360
00:18:21,070 --> 00:18:23,994
But there's a... middle ground

361
00:18:24,030 --> 00:18:25,156
JOAN:
There is a middle ground.

362
00:18:25,830 --> 00:18:27,480
THUNDER CLAPS

363
00:18:27,990 --> 00:18:29,560
Why art thou here

364
00:18:29,590 --> 00:18:31,513
come from the farthest steppe of India

365
00:18:31,550 --> 00:18:33,791
but that forsooth, the bouncing Amazon

366
00:18:33,830 --> 00:18:36,800
your buskined mistress and your warrior love

367
00:18:36,830 --> 00:18:38,480
to Theseus must be wedded

368
00:18:38,510 --> 00:18:41,241
and you come to give their bed
joy and prosperity.

369
00:18:45,430 --> 00:18:51,233
JOAN: It had been announced that Larry
was to be director of the National Theatre.

370
00:18:51,270 --> 00:18:52,920
That had been approved.

371
00:18:52,950 --> 00:18:53,917
EILEEN:
I can remember

372
00:18:53,950 --> 00:18:56,476
I had the feeling of going almost every week.

373
00:18:56,510 --> 00:19:00,071
So it was very exciting for other actors
in the profession

374
00:19:00,110 --> 00:19:02,158
as well as those of you in the company.

375
00:19:03,270 --> 00:19:07,036
Yes, and Maggie, I mean, you moved in there

376
00:19:07,630 --> 00:19:09,837
despite your nervousness about critics.

377
00:19:09,870 --> 00:19:11,281
V, H M.

378
00:19:11,310 --> 00:19:16,794
Well, I think I was more nervous
of Laurence than the critics.

379
00:19:16,830 --> 00:19:18,036
WNW

380
00:19:18,070 --> 00:19:21,119
I was more nervous of your husband
than the critics.

381
00:19:24,310 --> 00:19:25,800
I must admit.

382
00:19:27,470 --> 00:19:29,040
Well, I don't think...

383
00:19:29,070 --> 00:19:30,560
As indeed everybody was, Joan.

384
00:19:30,590 --> 00:19:33,434
I don't think you ever showed it
- No, everybody was.

385
00:19:34,030 --> 00:19:35,600
We were terrified.

386
00:19:36,230 --> 00:19:37,641
And your name, my dear?

387
00:19:38,550 --> 00:19:41,394
Wilful, Jack Wilful, at your service.

388
00:19:41,430 --> 00:19:44,400
What, the Kentish Wilfuls
or those of Staffordshire?

389
00:19:44,430 --> 00:19:46,751
Eh Mm. fir, mm.

390
00:19:46,790 --> 00:19:49,191
I'm related to all the Wilfuls in Europe

391
00:19:49,230 --> 00:19:51,198
and I'm head of the family at present.

392
00:19:51,230 --> 00:19:53,278
Do you live in this country, sir?
- I live where I stand.

393
00:19:53,310 --> 00:19:55,836
I have no house and I have no habitation
beyond this spot of ground.

394
00:19:55,870 --> 00:19:57,634
What are you, sir?
- A rake.

395
00:19:57,670 --> 00:19:59,832
AUDIENCE LAUGHS

396
00:19:59,870 --> 00:20:01,315
In the army, I presume?

397
00:20:01,350 --> 00:20:03,956
No, no but I intend to list
immediately.

398
00:20:05,270 --> 00:20:06,556
SHE WHISTLES

399
00:20:06,590 --> 00:20:08,592
MAGGIE:
No, he didn't scare me all the time.

400
00:20:08,630 --> 00:20:10,041
JOAN:
No, you scared him.

401
00:20:10,070 --> 00:20:12,960
I think I scared the wits out of him
from time to time.

402
00:20:13,750 --> 00:20:15,639
A merry war, let us say

403
00:20:15,670 --> 00:20:18,833
A merry war, because I know,
I remember you telling me

404
00:20:18,870 --> 00:20:22,238
that he'd come in and said
you were too slow and you.

405
00:20:22,270 --> 00:20:23,715
MAGGIE:
Bored him off the stage.

406
00:20:24,270 --> 00:20:26,637
Ah, no money and no luggage either.

407
00:20:27,110 --> 00:20:28,600
Not a thing in the world.

408
00:20:29,110 --> 00:20:31,636
What is more, I don't care.

409
00:20:31,990 --> 00:20:34,357
I'm here and I don't care.

410
00:20:34,390 --> 00:20:35,437
I like you for that.

411
00:20:36,670 --> 00:20:38,354
Only for that?
- No.

412
00:20:38,870 --> 00:20:40,838
AUDIENCE LAUGHS

413
00:20:40,870 --> 00:20:42,031
Not only for that

414
00:20:43,510 --> 00:20:44,841
JOAN:
You went on the next night

415
00:20:44,870 --> 00:20:47,157
and you went so fast
that he was befuddled.

416
00:20:47,190 --> 00:20:48,271
MAGGIE
I know.

417
00:20:48,310 --> 00:20:51,075
I went so fast, he didn't know whether
it was Wednesday or Christmas.

418
00:20:51,710 --> 00:20:55,078
He could have gone into F,'/'chard ///
without any trouble.

419
00:20:55,350 --> 00:20:57,557
I'd got him really really rattled

420
00:20:57,750 --> 00:20:59,479
BELL TOLLS

421
00:21:01,710 --> 00:21:04,190
EILEEN: Didn't he tell you
that your vowels weren't right?

422
00:21:04,230 --> 00:21:07,518
Yes, he did but...
- And what did you say to him?

423
00:21:07,870 --> 00:21:10,396
I used to put his eyelashes on

424
00:21:11,030 --> 00:21:14,000
No, he did tell me my vowels
which they're still dodgy.

425
00:21:14,590 --> 00:21:16,194
Twill away again

426
00:21:17,390 --> 00:21:20,473
Let me but bind it hard,
within an hour it will be well.

427
00:21:20,510 --> 00:21:23,593
So I went in to help him
with the eyelashes

428
00:21:23,630 --> 00:21:29,034
and he was sitting there in all that gunge
and I said 'How now, brown cow?'

429
00:21:29,670 --> 00:21:32,913
And all he said was...
That's better', he said.

430
00:21:32,950 --> 00:21:35,760
THEY LAUGH

431
00:21:37,270 --> 00:21:41,070
Anyway, he got very cross with me
because I wouldn't do <i>Skin</i> of our Teeth.

432
00:21:41,110 --> 00:21:42,191
Yes

433
00:21:43,230 --> 00:21:44,470
Yes

434
00:21:45,390 --> 00:21:46,994
'Out devil,' he says

435
00:21:48,230 --> 00:21:49,720
MAGGIE:
But he did knock me out.

436
00:21:50,270 --> 00:21:52,159
JOAN: Well, not quite
- MAGGIE: He did.

437
00:21:52,190 --> 00:21:54,272
Mad!
- Why, sweet Othello.

438
00:21:54,310 --> 00:21:56,472
Devil!
- SHE WHIMPERS

439
00:21:56,510 --> 00:21:57,750
MAGGIE:
He hit me.

440
00:21:58,390 --> 00:21:59,232
Whoosh!

441
00:22:00,230 --> 00:22:01,356
Out devil

442
00:22:01,830 --> 00:22:06,597
And I was left with some black marks
on my face.

443
00:22:08,310 --> 00:22:09,835
Oh, dear

444
00:22:09,870 --> 00:22:14,080
But I did say it was the only time
I saw stars at the National Theatre.

445
00:22:14,110 --> 00:22:15,839
THEY LAUGHS

446
00:22:16,390 --> 00:22:18,074
Those were the days, eh'?

447
00:22:18,110 --> 00:22:22,035
They also had the lights put up
a bit higher when he came on.

448
00:22:22,070 --> 00:22:23,276
When he came on, yes

449
00:22:23,310 --> 00:22:26,200
You could...
If you went like that, you got into it.

450
00:22:27,750 --> 00:22:28,990
But you had to...

451
00:22:31,110 --> 00:22:33,590
You had to make sure you could
get your head in.

452
00:22:33,630 --> 00:22:34,631
L&gQ[

453
00:22:35,110 --> 00:22:36,760
MAGGIE:
Darling Frank Finlay.

454
00:22:38,190 --> 00:22:42,991
He came off one night and he flew
to the prompt corner

455
00:22:43,030 --> 00:22:45,840
and he started tearing at his eyes.

456
00:22:47,550 --> 00:22:50,474
And I was so alarmed and I thought
'What's happened?'

457
00:22:50,510 --> 00:22:52,035
And he was wearing...

458
00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:54,596
he'd never worn them before
he had contact lenses.

459
00:22:54,630 --> 00:22:56,041
EILEEN
Oh, yes

460
00:22:56,070 --> 00:23:01,031
And he said 'I have just seen Sir Laurence
and I never want to see him again!'

461
00:23:02,390 --> 00:23:05,599
He couldn't get them out
MAGGIE LAUGHS

462
00:23:05,630 --> 00:23:07,234
Can you imagine?

463
00:23:07,270 --> 00:23:09,876
Because he couldn't see his hand
in front of him, could he, Frank?

464
00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:12,911
MAGGIE:
Poor man.

465
00:23:19,830 --> 00:23:21,992
EILEEN:
We're done, I think we're done, yeah.

466
00:23:23,910 --> 00:23:24,991
JOAN SIGHS

467
00:23:25,630 --> 00:23:27,678
The tunnel.
- The tunnel

468
00:23:45,550 --> 00:23:48,156
INDISTINCT CHATTER

469
00:23:52,790 --> 00:23:55,521
JOAN: We got the cottage
as a halfway house

470
00:23:56,190 --> 00:23:57,874
between Brighton and Chichester

471
00:23:57,910 --> 00:24:00,038
when Larry was running Chichester Theatre

472
00:24:00,870 --> 00:24:04,079
because getting out of Brighton
took such a long time in the summer

473
00:24:04,110 --> 00:24:05,953
with all the crowds of visitors.

474
00:24:09,270 --> 00:24:13,992
And also, we needed some
country air and space.

475
00:24:15,390 --> 00:24:22,080
When we first came, there was just
the central part, little cottage

476
00:24:23,310 --> 00:24:28,794
still with a few Elizabethan stones
in the wall

477
00:24:29,110 --> 00:24:34,480
and the cottage was surrounded
by nettles

478
00:24:34,510 --> 00:24:38,834
just nettles all around this, and the field.

479
00:24:41,310 --> 00:24:43,119
Some of them shoulder high.

480
00:24:46,430 --> 00:24:49,991
OVERLAPPING CHATTER

481
00:25:00,990 --> 00:25:02,560
MAN:
Shall we take one on the ends?

482
00:25:09,750 --> 00:25:11,718
I like the way you consider
what was written on the cushion

483
00:25:11,750 --> 00:25:13,354
Well, yeah, because you

484
00:25:17,070 --> 00:25:18,674
I'm sure we look natural

485
00:25:19,710 --> 00:25:20,836
we?

486
00:25:22,110 --> 00:25:23,077
Oh, dear

487
00:25:27,670 --> 00:25:29,672
When have we ever sat like this?

488
00:25:30,030 --> 00:25:32,032
When have we ever sat like this?

489
00:25:32,830 --> 00:25:34,434
Not even in a play.
- INTERVIEWER: Is it too horrible?

490
00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:36,837
No, of course it's not. It's fine
- Well, it's a funny sort of...

491
00:25:36,870 --> 00:25:39,237
INTERVIEWER: It's a prop
- It's fine, it is. It's a prop.

492
00:25:40,830 --> 00:25:43,515
MAGGIE: I think it was pinched
from The <i>Three</i> Sisters.

493
00:25:43,990 --> 00:25:45,640
INTERVIEWER:
It is from The Three <i>Sisters</i>

494
00:25:45,670 --> 00:25:47,513
MAGGIE: From The Three Sisters, isn't it?
- Yeah.

495
00:25:49,270 --> 00:25:53,639
SHE SINGS IN FOREIGN LANGUAGE

496
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:55,756
SHE SINGS IN FOREIGN LANGUAGE

497
00:25:56,990 --> 00:25:59,277
<i>#</i> Roll the keel, roll the keel <i>#</i>

498
00:26:00,030 --> 00:26:01,475
<i>#</i> Roll the keel, roll the...#

499
00:26:01,510 --> 00:26:03,512
Look at them all looking bored over there.

500
00:26:04,230 --> 00:26:06,232
INTERVIEWER:
Are first days still scary?

501
00:26:07,030 --> 00:26:08,998
First days on film sets, or first days?

502
00:26:09,030 --> 00:26:11,271
All days, all days are scary.
- INTERVIEWER CHUCKLES

503
00:26:11,310 --> 00:26:13,199
Yes.
- No, that's true

504
00:26:13,230 --> 00:26:14,561
It is absolutely true.

505
00:26:14,590 --> 00:26:17,753
I don't know why people assume
that it is any other way.

506
00:26:18,550 --> 00:26:19,995
It's just...

507
00:26:22,950 --> 00:26:27,000
MAGGIE: It is scary and it is every day
on a film, isn't it?

508
00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:29,160
MAN 1:
Quiet. Let's shoot, please.

509
00:26:29,190 --> 00:26:32,114
Turn over.
- MAN 2: OK, action, everybody!

510
00:26:33,950 --> 00:26:36,237
JUDI: Certainly every day on a film set
because you haven't done it before.

511
00:26:36,270 --> 00:26:37,192
MAGGIE
I know.

512
00:26:37,230 --> 00:26:42,270
Filming is very scary because
there are so many people involved.

513
00:26:42,310 --> 00:26:47,953
But it's the... everybody kind of
waiting with bated breath.

514
00:26:48,550 --> 00:26:49,551
<i>Mm.</i>

515
00:26:50,910 --> 00:26:52,116
How horrid.

516
00:26:53,190 --> 00:26:54,840
And who turns out to have done it?

517
00:26:54,870 --> 00:26:56,201
Oh, I couldn't tell you that.

518
00:26:56,230 --> 00:26:57,834
It would spoil it for you.

519
00:26:59,150 --> 00:27:01,312
Oh, but none of us will see it
- SHE CHUCKLES

520
00:27:01,350 --> 00:27:04,194
And if you get it wrong
there's a lot of silent...

521
00:27:04,670 --> 00:27:05,910
Looking.

522
00:27:05,950 --> 00:27:08,635
Looking at each other and the eyes roll
and there's a bit of...

523
00:27:08,670 --> 00:27:10,274
MAGGIE SIGHS

524
00:27:11,510 --> 00:27:12,921
Heavy breathing.

525
00:27:12,950 --> 00:27:14,952
Are we really going again?'

526
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:21,351
MAGGIE:
I wasn't actually allowed to go to films.

527
00:27:21,390 --> 00:27:22,880
They didn't approve

528
00:27:22,910 --> 00:27:24,674
I used to get claustrophobia.

529
00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:27,839
With that horrible smell and those carpets
that sank down.

530
00:27:27,870 --> 00:27:31,397
MAGGIE: I think I saw Hamlet
when I was at school.

531
00:27:32,310 --> 00:27:34,472
JUIDXI:
v. And Hwy <i>M</i>

532
00:27:34,510 --> 00:27:35,477
MAGGIE
Yes.

533
00:27:35,510 --> 00:27:36,955
Well, we were allowed to do that.

534
00:27:36,990 --> 00:27:38,401
JUDI:
We were made to, weren't we?

535
00:27:38,430 --> 00:27:39,716
MAGGIE: That's true
SHE LAUGHS

536
00:27:39,750 --> 00:27:41,878
JUDI: We were made to because
you all had to fight for our country.

537
00:27:43,070 --> 00:27:47,120
I had a great aunt, great aunt Sarah,
I think she was called, I only met her once.

538
00:27:47,150 --> 00:27:51,155
She lived in Dublin and she was
like a bird, a tiny little bird.

539
00:27:51,190 --> 00:27:54,000
And... she once said... 'I'm not going...

540
00:27:54,030 --> 00:27:57,671
I'm not going to films anymore
because the seats are too narrow

541
00:27:57,710 --> 00:28:01,078
And she never knew that you
actually put the seat down.

542
00:28:01,510 --> 00:28:04,354
She just sat on that little narrow bit
- I don't believe you, Judi.

543
00:28:04,390 --> 00:28:06,518
She sat on that!
- It's a fact.

544
00:28:06,550 --> 00:28:08,154
Mind you, we all did as children.

545
00:28:08,710 --> 00:28:09,871
Perched.

546
00:28:11,110 --> 00:28:14,717
The next door neighbours took me to see

547
00:28:14,750 --> 00:28:19,233
now this is really frightening
The Jazz Singer.

548
00:28:20,550 --> 00:28:21,756
Al Jolson?

549
00:28:21,790 --> 00:28:23,519
No, it wasn't Al Jolson.

550
00:28:24,750 --> 00:28:27,196
Close, but no, it was

551
00:28:27,230 --> 00:28:32,236
it was Larry, not Olivier
Larry Parks.

552
00:28:34,350 --> 00:28:39,356
It was so long and so boring
I didn't enjoy it at all.

553
00:28:39,390 --> 00:28:42,439
But I got home and my father
was very, very, very cross.

554
00:28:42,830 --> 00:28:44,161
JUDI:
Was it not suitable?

555
00:28:44,190 --> 00:28:46,557
MAGGIE: Well, no because it was
a Sunday and it was, you know...

556
00:28:46,590 --> 00:28:47,477
JUDI:
Oh, yes.

557
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:49,080
MAGGIE: So you weren't allowed
to do anything like that.

558
00:28:50,190 --> 00:28:51,999
So it kind of put me off a bit.

559
00:28:52,910 --> 00:28:55,436
So after that, the first thing I saw
was Hamlet.

560
00:28:56,950 --> 00:28:58,679
And that was just as scary.

561
00:29:00,710 --> 00:29:02,235
Just as scary.

562
00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:05,277
MAGGIE
Ooh.

563
00:29:06,310 --> 00:29:10,793
I've never known my father
as cross as he was that day.

564
00:29:12,430 --> 00:29:15,752
INTERVIEWER: What did your parents
make of you going into this job?

565
00:29:16,910 --> 00:29:19,720
What did they make of me
going into this job?

566
00:29:21,150 --> 00:29:22,993
Well, I think they were a bit puzzled.

567
00:29:23,630 --> 00:29:26,554
How did you begin in the theatre?
Did you act at school?

568
00:29:26,590 --> 00:29:31,278
The very first definite step
was when I was still at school.

569
00:29:31,310 --> 00:29:33,551
They had a frightfully good thing
that when you'd finished

570
00:29:33,590 --> 00:29:34,716
you know, general school certificate

571
00:29:34,750 --> 00:29:38,516
you usually had about two weeks at the end
of term which was kind of dead time.

572
00:29:38,550 --> 00:29:41,076
And I immediately went to
the Oxford Playhouse.

573
00:29:42,030 --> 00:29:48,561
In The Letter, I think it's The Letter,
I played Uh, Chinese boy.

574
00:29:49,870 --> 00:29:53,761
Uh, a Chinese boy in an opium den.

575
00:29:54,550 --> 00:29:56,757
Of course you did.
- Yes, 'course I did.

576
00:29:57,590 --> 00:30:03,279
And... right <i>at</i> the beginning of The <i>Letter</i>
I was <i>the</i> Malayan woman.

577
00:30:05,350 --> 00:30:07,637
And you were Uh, Chinese...

578
00:30:07,670 --> 00:30:09,434
And Uh, Chinese boy.

579
00:30:09,470 --> 00:30:11,438
God, can you imagine
my make-up?

580
00:30:13,350 --> 00:30:14,556
Oh!

581
00:30:15,070 --> 00:30:16,231
DIALOGUE FROM <i>ROOTS</i> PLAYS

582
00:30:16,270 --> 00:30:17,760
<i>JOAN: You don't have to make no effort
for them, they come easy.</i>

583
00:30:17,790 --> 00:30:18,871
<i>But we know where the money //es</i>

584
00:30:18,910 --> 00:30:20,992
<i>They say, 'He// we do,
the workers have got it.</i>

585
00:30:21,030 --> 00:30:23,237
<i>A/night then let's give 'em
what they want.</i>

586
00:30:23,270 --> 00:30:26,114
<i>If they want words of one syllable
we 'll give 'em that then.</i>

587
00:30:26,150 --> 00:30:28,994
<i>If they want the third rate blast
we '// give 'em that then.</i>

588
00:30:29,030 --> 00:30:32,034
<i>Anything's good enough for them
'cause they don't ask for no more</i>

589
00:30:32,070 --> 00:30:35,711
<i>The who/e stinking commercial world
insults us and we don't give</i> a <i>damn.</i>

590
00:30:35,750 --> 00:30:38,071
<i>Well, it does serve us r/jg/7t.
It is our own fault.</i>

591
00:30:38,110 --> 00:30:39,919
<i>We want the third rate
and we've got it!</i>

592
00:30:39,950 --> 00:30:41,679
<i>We've got it! We've got it!</i>

593
00:30:42,670 --> 00:30:45,037
J©II\N
mm .

594
00:30:45,470 --> 00:30:50,397
You know, such a leading part
that hardly exists anywhere.

595
00:30:50,430 --> 00:30:55,880
You know, Beatie is the centre of attention
is the centre of the story

596
00:30:55,910 --> 00:31:00,234
instead of being, you know, on the side
the decoration bit

597
00:31:01,190 --> 00:31:02,351
the support

598
00:31:03,310 --> 00:31:06,393
The female is absolutely
at the centre of it.

599
00:31:09,150 --> 00:31:11,437
And it's that feeling of elation

600
00:31:12,710 --> 00:31:14,235
exhilaration

601
00:31:14,830 --> 00:31:16,992
when you know you're in charge.

602
00:31:17,510 --> 00:31:18,591
Oh, yes

603
00:31:18,630 --> 00:31:21,873
Do anything you thought wrong, no no
I have too much honour to desire it.

604
00:31:21,910 --> 00:31:24,561
Don't you think we may as well leave
honour out of the argument?

605
00:31:24,590 --> 00:31:25,716
Ah.

606
00:31:25,750 --> 00:31:30,438
We are not in the first rank
of world beauties.

607
00:31:31,630 --> 00:31:38,115
That was my mother who sent me off
to the Old Vic Theatre school

608
00:31:38,990 --> 00:31:42,597
and saying, you know,
OK, you're on your way out there.

609
00:31:43,350 --> 00:31:48,481
You're no oil painting my girl
but you have the spark.

610
00:31:49,190 --> 00:31:54,560
You've lovely expressive eyes and thank God
you've got my legs and not your father's.'

611
00:31:56,190 --> 00:31:58,192
Madam, I'll see you.

612
00:31:58,590 --> 00:32:02,834
EILEEN: I was very lucky in the way that
your mother said that to you.

613
00:32:02,870 --> 00:32:06,761
It was the school teacher who was
encouraging me to go into the theatre

614
00:32:06,790 --> 00:32:11,751
and he invited an actor to come
and see me to ask his opinion

615
00:32:11,790 --> 00:32:17,001
and, accidentally, I heard him say,
I don't know what to do about her.

616
00:32:17,470 --> 00:32:23,751
I think she's probably
a very good actress, or could be

617
00:32:24,750 --> 00:32:31,201
but I'm worried about her looks,
because she's not what you would call pretty

618
00:32:32,110 --> 00:32:36,672
I was listening to this,
quite happily actually

619
00:32:36,710 --> 00:32:40,601
and then he answered happily for me

620
00:32:40,630 --> 00:32:43,679
which has kept me going throughout
the whole of my career

621
00:32:44,390 --> 00:32:48,600
'No, no, she's not conventionally
pretty in any way

622
00:32:50,070 --> 00:32:53,677
but do you know what, she's sexy '

623
00:32:54,430 --> 00:32:55,272
: Ah.

624
00:33:02,870 --> 00:33:06,397
MAGGIE: I spent two days the other day
trying to remember Andre Previn.

625
00:33:07,390 --> 00:33:09,472
I could not think of his name.

626
00:33:10,870 --> 00:33:12,315
JUDI:
Isn't it so easy?

627
00:33:12,990 --> 00:33:15,436
I spend all my time thinking,
What did I do last weekend?

628
00:33:17,550 --> 00:33:20,952
MAGGIE: 'Lucy used to borrow from
a woman who wore gators and galoshes

629
00:33:20,990 --> 00:33:25,791
and those plastic mackintoshes
and a rather grubby husband

630
00:33:25,830 --> 00:33:27,639
that she only wore on Sundays

631
00:33:28,550 --> 00:33:29,995
Why do I remember things...

632
00:33:31,030 --> 00:33:32,395
Where's that from?

633
00:33:32,430 --> 00:33:33,795
One of those Oxford review.

634
00:33:35,670 --> 00:33:38,594
'And a rather pallid husband
that she only wore on Sundays.

635
00:33:39,110 --> 00:33:42,557
When she sat behind the teapot
handing fancies to the vicar.'

636
00:33:44,190 --> 00:33:45,237
I don't know.

637
00:33:45,390 --> 00:33:46,960
Where does it all come from?

638
00:33:46,990 --> 00:33:50,881
Kind of jammed full of rubbish
my head.

639
00:33:52,670 --> 00:33:53,956
Very difficult.

640
00:33:56,310 --> 00:33:58,392
Has anybody said go?
- Yes.

641
00:33:59,190 --> 00:34:00,601
Oh, go
- Yeah.

642
00:34:00,630 --> 00:34:02,120
What's the play, what's the part?

643
00:34:02,150 --> 00:34:03,481
THEY LAUGH

644
00:34:04,350 --> 00:34:06,671
EILEEN: Can you remember
the first time you came to this house?

645
00:34:07,430 --> 00:34:11,913
MAGGIE: I was with very small people
small children.

646
00:34:11,950 --> 00:34:17,320
And I've got a picture of Joan
just vanishing into the room downstairs

647
00:34:17,350 --> 00:34:21,594
and that wonderful lime walk out there
was this high

648
00:34:22,910 --> 00:34:24,719
where it's all overgrown now.

649
00:34:27,550 --> 00:34:32,033
So it was when Richard was tiny
and Chris was tiny.

650
00:34:34,430 --> 00:34:36,512
Babies.
- EILEEN: Lots of babies.

651
00:34:52,190 --> 00:34:58,357
RICHARD: I can tell you a story about
Richard when he was a very small person.

652
00:34:59,110 --> 00:35:01,761
In the hall there was a dumbwaiter

653
00:35:03,070 --> 00:35:06,199
and Richard, as a small person

654
00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:09,552
used to just nonchalantly post any mail

655
00:35:10,190 --> 00:35:11,954
that there might be down there.

656
00:35:11,990 --> 00:35:16,632
And one Christmas, I remember
Larry standing over him

657
00:35:17,550 --> 00:35:18,711
because he'd...

658
00:35:20,750 --> 00:35:24,675
Larry was beseeching this child
and he's...

659
00:35:25,110 --> 00:35:29,160
because he couldn't find
the keys to the bar

660
00:35:29,190 --> 00:35:30,680
that was at the end of, erm

661
00:35:31,510 --> 00:35:34,514
and he saw Richard looking a bit furtive

662
00:35:35,430 --> 00:35:37,592
and he was leaning over him saying

663
00:35:37,630 --> 00:35:42,079
'Where are the keys to Daddy's num nums?'

664
00:35:42,110 --> 00:35:43,794
THEY LAUGH

665
00:35:44,870 --> 00:35:50,320
And we thought it was wonderful
that this quite fantastic actor was reduced

666
00:35:50,350 --> 00:35:53,240
T@ <i>@@yﬂn "mum</i> mum.“

667
00:35:53,270 --> 00:35:55,716
'Where are keys to Daddy's
num nums?'

668
00:35:55,750 --> 00:35:58,071
I think he'd posted them down
the wretched thing.

669
00:35:58,110 --> 00:35:59,680
THEY LAUGH

670
00:35:59,710 --> 00:36:00,757
AnyWaY

671
00:36:03,830 --> 00:36:08,154
I suppose that's what it was
all about in those days.

672
00:36:08,190 --> 00:36:09,351
The children.

673
00:36:10,630 --> 00:36:12,519
Very small people running around

674
00:36:14,710 --> 00:36:16,792
Why are you so tanned, is that all Cornwall?

675
00:36:16,830 --> 00:36:17,911
EILEEN:
Cornwall.

676
00:36:18,590 --> 00:36:19,921
MAGGIE:
Doesn't happen to me.

677
00:36:26,030 --> 00:36:30,399
Mama thinks I'm living in a convent.

678
00:36:31,550 --> 00:36:36,875
A secluded little convent
in the southern part of France.

679
00:36:38,990 --> 00:36:42,790
Mama doesn't even have an inkling

680
00:36:43,750 --> 00:36:49,871
that I'm working in a nightclub
in a pair of lacy pants.

681
00:36:52,390 --> 00:36:53,721
So...

682
00:36:53,750 --> 00:36:55,912
<i>6% . fir</i>

683
00:36:57,670 --> 00:37:01,595
<i>#</i> If you run into my mama

684
00:37:03,110 --> 00:37:06,592
<i>#</i> Don't reveal my indiscretion

685
00:37:08,750 --> 00:37:14,075
<i>#</i> Give a working girl a chance <i>#</i>

686
00:37:16,270 --> 00:37:18,557
I'm trying to think how old I was
in the sixties.

687
00:37:18,590 --> 00:37:22,720
34, 44...
26 at the beginning.

688
00:37:22,750 --> 00:37:28,553
I think that I thought it was much more
to do with being in the theatre

689
00:37:29,150 --> 00:37:32,950
and, like, and it was fun
and things were loose.

690
00:37:32,990 --> 00:37:35,357
I don't know.
- Perhaps we swung a bit early.

691
00:37:35,390 --> 00:37:37,358
I think we did.
- Do you think?

692
00:37:37,390 --> 00:37:39,119
I'm sure you and I did.

693
00:37:39,150 --> 00:37:40,675
I'm pretty sure we did.

694
00:37:42,070 --> 00:37:43,799
I guess I was swinging
at the end of the fifties.

695
00:37:43,830 --> 00:37:46,117
We behaved pretty badly actually, Judi.

696
00:37:46,150 --> 00:37:48,471
I don't think you and I needed the sixties.

697
00:37:48,510 --> 00:37:50,239
JUDI LAUGHS

698
00:37:50,270 --> 00:37:52,477
My courage, try by combat
if thou darest.

699
00:37:52,510 --> 00:37:54,990
And thou shall find that I exceed my sex.

700
00:37:55,630 --> 00:37:56,836
Resolve on this.

701
00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:59,840
Thou shall be fortunate if thou
received me for thy warlike mate.

702
00:37:59,870 --> 00:38:02,794
MUSIC: "Not Fade Away"
by The Rolling Stones

703
00:38:05,990 --> 00:38:07,992
<i>#</i> I'm gonna tell you
how it's gonna be

704
00:38:10,110 --> 00:38:12,033
<i>#</i> You're gonna give your love to me

705
00:38:12,630 --> 00:38:14,314
SCREAM

706
00:38:14,350 --> 00:38:16,114
<i>#</i> I'm gonna love you night and day

707
00:38:18,110 --> 00:38:20,112
<i>#</i> Well love is love and not fade away

708
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:24,233
<i>#</i> Well love is love and not fade away

709
00:38:26,310 --> 00:38:28,358
<i>#</i> My love bigger than a Cadillac

710
00:38:30,510 --> 00:38:32,478
<i>#</i> I try to show it
and you're drivin' me back

711
00:38:34,630 --> 00:38:36,519
<i>#</i> Your love for me
has got to be real... <i>#</i>

712
00:38:39,670 --> 00:38:41,274
Come on, love, let's be having ya

713
00:38:41,430 --> 00:38:42,795
You stinking copper!

714
00:38:42,830 --> 00:38:44,878
Filthy, stinking copper!

715
00:38:48,270 --> 00:38:50,637
CROWD CLAMOURS

716
00:38:52,670 --> 00:38:54,752
JUDI: I sat down in Trafalgar Square
with Vanessa.

717
00:38:54,790 --> 00:38:56,155
EILEEN
So did I.

718
00:38:56,190 --> 00:38:59,034
JUDI: And then Vanessa got arrested
and remembered she had a matinee.

719
00:38:59,070 --> 00:39:00,595
EILEEN LAUGHS

720
00:39:01,190 --> 00:39:02,555
EILEEN:
I sat down.

721
00:39:02,590 --> 00:39:04,035
It was probably the same thing.

722
00:39:04,070 --> 00:39:05,071
Julian said...

723
00:39:05,110 --> 00:39:08,796
I was married to Julian Glover then
and we all sat down.

724
00:39:08,830 --> 00:39:12,835
And first of all, John Osbourne
was taken away

725
00:39:12,870 --> 00:39:15,635
and then Vanessa was taken away
and you were probably...

726
00:39:15,670 --> 00:39:17,513
Were you taken away?
- JUDI: Oh, no, I hid.

727
00:39:17,550 --> 00:39:18,790
EILEEN:
Well, you hid.

728
00:39:18,830 --> 00:39:23,154
Well, Julian went away and I thought
'I've had enough of this.'

729
00:39:23,190 --> 00:39:24,555
And I got up and went home

730
00:39:24,590 --> 00:39:27,241
and I remember buying some
crumpets on the way home.

731
00:39:27,830 --> 00:39:33,200
And Julian was furious with me
cause he spent a night in the cells

732
00:39:33,750 --> 00:39:36,594
and came back the next day
and said, 'What happened to you?'

733
00:39:36,630 --> 00:39:37,756
Where were you?'

734
00:39:37,790 --> 00:39:41,511
And I said, 'I suddenly thought
I wanted to go home.'

735
00:39:43,070 --> 00:39:46,438
We weren't allowed sometimes at home

736
00:39:46,470 --> 00:39:48,711
to talk about politics or religion.

737
00:39:49,230 --> 00:39:50,800
When you were young?
- Yeah.

738
00:39:51,790 --> 00:39:53,679
No, nobody spoke about it
in my house at all.

739
00:39:53,710 --> 00:39:54,871
Not much.

740
00:39:55,990 --> 00:39:58,072
No, I don't remember debates
at school or anything.

741
00:39:58,110 --> 00:39:59,555
You went away to school, didn't you?

742
00:39:59,590 --> 00:40:02,719
Well, I was at boarding school in York,
which is my hometown.

743
00:40:02,750 --> 00:40:04,593
But I still had to stay there, you know...

744
00:40:05,390 --> 00:40:07,552
JUDI:
The Quaker's. I loved it.

745
00:40:07,590 --> 00:40:10,958
EILEEN: I remember asking you
about it, rather nosily

746
00:40:11,470 --> 00:40:15,270
and you said 'I just think
it's a very good idea each week

747
00:40:15,910 --> 00:40:17,992
to just collect yourself

748
00:40:18,030 --> 00:40:20,192
and have a bit of silence

749
00:40:20,910 --> 00:40:21,957
Be calm.

750
00:40:22,470 --> 00:40:23,710
JUDI:
Well, it's very soothing.

751
00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:26,674
It's like, you know, like having
a massage in a way.

752
00:40:26,710 --> 00:40:29,998
I told you about Maggie and I
on The Marigold Hotel.

753
00:40:30,030 --> 00:40:37,676
We were in Udaipur
and we went for a head massage.

754
00:40:37,710 --> 00:40:40,031
An Indian head massage.

755
00:40:41,070 --> 00:40:43,311
Well, of course,
it's legendary isn't it?

756
00:40:43,350 --> 00:40:44,476
EILEEN:
Yes. That I would like.

757
00:40:44,510 --> 00:40:47,514
We thought this will be absolutely wonderful.

758
00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:51,961
She massaged our heads like that
and we were in the same room

759
00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:56,393
very quiet, very, very quiet
and just smelling lovely, you know.

760
00:40:57,110 --> 00:40:58,919
And as soon as she's finished
she went whack!

761
00:41:03,070 --> 00:41:04,879
I just...
- EILEEN LAUGHS

762
00:41:06,270 --> 00:41:07,476
WOMAN:
Are you alright?

763
00:41:08,230 --> 00:41:09,834
I just want a glass of water.

764
00:41:11,550 --> 00:41:13,040
That was a gin and tonic.

765
00:41:15,870 --> 00:41:16,837
I know that now.

766
00:41:17,790 --> 00:41:18,757
Oh.

767
00:41:19,950 --> 00:41:20,917
Oh, good grief

768
00:41:20,950 --> 00:41:25,319
This is from York Film Archive
and it's of the mystery plays.

769
00:41:26,110 --> 00:41:27,919
TANYA: It hasn't got any sound
but we think...

770
00:41:27,950 --> 00:41:30,635
JUDI: What year?
- TANYA: '51 or '52

771
00:41:30,870 --> 00:41:33,237
JUDI:
Well, if it's '51... Oh, wait a minute.

772
00:41:33,270 --> 00:41:34,431
EILEEN:
Is that you? No.

773
00:41:34,470 --> 00:41:35,801
Now wait a minute.

774
00:41:37,390 --> 00:41:38,676
Can I have it very close?
- Yes.

775
00:41:39,630 --> 00:41:41,394
JUDI
Oh. Er...

776
00:41:42,630 --> 00:41:44,951
Who is that?
Oh, I wish I could see.

777
00:41:45,830 --> 00:41:47,514
TANYA:
I'll try and freeze frame.

778
00:41:48,270 --> 00:41:49,556
EILEEN:
Yeah, that would be good.

779
00:41:50,590 --> 00:41:52,433
TANYA: We were wondering
whether that was you there.

780
00:41:52,470 --> 00:41:54,791
That's what I wondered
Can I just look closely?

781
00:41:54,830 --> 00:41:56,161
I can't see

782
00:41:58,110 --> 00:42:00,238
EILEEN: May I ask,
did you have tits even then?

783
00:42:01,790 --> 00:42:03,235
JUDI:
Well, that person has.

784
00:42:03,270 --> 00:42:04,510
Because you have
very pretty tits there.

785
00:42:04,550 --> 00:42:06,678
I don't think I had them like that.

786
00:42:06,710 --> 00:42:09,031
How old were you then? You're tiny there.

787
00:42:09,070 --> 00:42:12,279
JUDI: In '52...
- EILEEN You were 18.

788
00:42:12,310 --> 00:42:14,233
Yes, yes, yes, that's Judi

789
00:42:14,270 --> 00:42:17,274
OK, just play it a tiny bit more.
- You have an awful wig on, it's...

790
00:42:17,310 --> 00:42:19,916
We all had them, those gold wigs.

791
00:42:20,590 --> 00:42:23,799
And there's everybody going in
to see it with their rugs, look.

792
00:42:24,950 --> 00:42:27,430
EILEEN: So this is in '52, yes?
- JUDI: St Mary's Abbey.

793
00:42:28,270 --> 00:42:30,876
My father played Annas
the High Priest.

794
00:42:30,910 --> 00:42:33,151
My mum made the costumes
- Look at them all.

795
00:42:33,190 --> 00:42:35,352
TANYA: And then there's lots
of behind the scene shots.

796
00:42:35,870 --> 00:42:37,634
JUDI: God, I remember that,
climbing up there

797
00:42:38,150 --> 00:42:40,960
and we were all in these great big arches.

798
00:42:44,030 --> 00:42:46,351
EILEEN: Do you know what
colour dress you had?

799
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:51,635
JUDI: White, all white with
a gold collar and gold wigs.

800
00:42:52,670 --> 00:42:54,320
EILEEN:
And is that you there then?

801
00:42:54,350 --> 00:42:56,751
JUDI: I don't know, there's a bit
of horsing about going on there.

802
00:42:56,790 --> 00:42:59,077
TANYA: Sort of costume change
- EILEEN: Oh, costume change.

803
00:42:59,110 --> 00:43:02,034
JUDI: Oh. Oh, these are all devils.

804
00:43:02,070 --> 00:43:03,515
These are all devils.

805
00:43:05,550 --> 00:43:06,597
TANYA:
Is that thunder?

806
00:43:06,630 --> 00:43:08,997
EILEEN:
Oh, that's the thunder there, yes.

807
00:43:11,830 --> 00:43:13,594
Thank you, darling
- Oh, gosh!

808
00:43:13,630 --> 00:43:16,236
JUDI: Oh, now that's
where we were, that was me.

809
00:43:16,270 --> 00:43:19,911
That was just because
a May bug flew up my sleeve.

810
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:22,156
A May bug?

811
00:43:24,830 --> 00:43:26,275
JUDI:
That's lovely, thank you.

812
00:43:27,190 --> 00:43:28,351
David Charles used to say

813
00:43:28,390 --> 00:43:31,155
With all wit that we wield
we worship thy will

814
00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:33,875
thou glorious God that is ground
of all grace

815
00:43:34,270 --> 00:43:37,433
with steadfast song let us ever stand still

816
00:43:37,470 --> 00:43:39,518
to be fed with the food
of beholding thy face'

817
00:43:42,350 --> 00:43:44,557
JUDI:
A wonderful man called Alfred Bristow.

818
00:43:45,070 --> 00:43:47,914
He'd say 'When hast thou Lord
who ownest all

819
00:43:47,950 --> 00:43:50,556
hunger or thirst since God art thou.

820
00:43:51,910 --> 00:43:54,834
Bits of it I can remember really clearly.

821
00:43:56,470 --> 00:43:58,040
Oh, my word!

822
00:43:58,630 --> 00:44:00,155
What wonderful footage.

823
00:44:00,190 --> 00:44:01,760
What a lovely thing to have.

824
00:44:10,910 --> 00:44:13,151
OK, so you're going to head
towards the step.

825
00:44:14,590 --> 00:44:15,876
And here's the door.

826
00:44:15,910 --> 00:44:18,117
Shall I put your hand on the frame?

827
00:44:18,670 --> 00:44:19,717
Brilliant.

828
00:44:20,510 --> 00:44:21,591
I've got you

829
00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:25,799
I did not sleep last night.

830
00:44:25,830 --> 00:44:28,151
You know that awful thing when you don't
- Oh, God I do.

831
00:44:28,190 --> 00:44:31,080
Everything was going round in my head
what we talked about.

832
00:44:33,550 --> 00:44:35,040
INTERVIEWER:
Who was the first dame?

833
00:44:35,070 --> 00:44:36,356
Joan, were you the first dame?

834
00:44:36,390 --> 00:44:37,960
No, I wasn't.

835
00:44:37,990 --> 00:44:39,515
EILEEN:
Jude was the first.

836
00:44:39,550 --> 00:44:42,281
JOAN: I was putting down the red carpet
for all my friends.

837
00:44:49,590 --> 00:44:51,558
MAGGIE:
You phoned me when it happened to me.

838
00:44:52,230 --> 00:44:55,313
And you said it doesn't make any
difference, you can still swear.

839
00:44:56,870 --> 00:44:57,871
Yes

840
00:44:57,910 --> 00:44:59,275
Do you remember?
- You can swear more, actually

841
00:44:59,310 --> 00:45:00,436
You can swear more, yeah

842
00:45:00,470 --> 00:45:02,791
Just try and do it privately

843
00:45:04,150 --> 00:45:05,481
I won't do it now.

844
00:45:06,510 --> 00:45:09,639
In America though they call you
Dame Plowright don't they

845
00:45:09,670 --> 00:45:12,401
and Dame Smith and Dame Atkins?

846
00:45:12,430 --> 00:45:13,556
MAGGIE:
Mrs Dame.

847
00:45:13,590 --> 00:45:14,830
Mrs

848
00:45:15,630 --> 00:45:20,670
With John Standing,
when he went through an airport

849
00:45:20,710 --> 00:45:23,316
and they do all that thing
with your passport.

850
00:45:23,350 --> 00:45:26,797
And my gm an mm.
“Haw me my "

851
00:45:27,350 --> 00:45:29,591
cause he is a Baron

852
00:45:31,550 --> 00:45:34,076
'Have a nice day, Baron.'
I said what is that about?

853
00:45:36,790 --> 00:45:39,191
EILEEN: What are you supposed
to say to a Baron? I don't...

854
00:45:39,230 --> 00:45:40,834
'Have a nice day,' I guess

855
00:45:44,470 --> 00:45:46,518
INTERVIEWER: Did any of you
consider not being a Dame

856
00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:47,836
when you were offered?

857
00:45:47,870 --> 00:45:48,996
EILEEN: Yes.

858
00:45:49,030 --> 00:45:50,634
The letter had got lost in the post.

859
00:45:51,230 --> 00:45:55,360
So I suddenly got a phone call saying
'Are you or are you not?

860
00:45:55,390 --> 00:45:57,358
What is your answer?
We haven't received it.

861
00:45:59,710 --> 00:46:01,360
And so she told me over the phone

862
00:46:01,390 --> 00:46:06,521
and I said 'Oh, oh, I don't
I don't know what to do.

863
00:46:06,550 --> 00:46:07,756
I don't know what to say '

864
00:46:08,790 --> 00:46:10,997
And she said,
I just remember her saying

865
00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:12,714
Oh, do say yes

866
00:46:13,350 --> 00:46:14,317
Do say yes

867
00:46:14,350 --> 00:46:16,717
But then I asked for some time
to think about it.

868
00:46:17,390 --> 00:46:18,596
I don't know.

869
00:46:18,630 --> 00:46:20,473
And then I was as pleased as punch
that I did it.

870
00:46:21,470 --> 00:46:23,518
OFFICIAL: The most excellent Order
of the British Empire

871
00:46:23,550 --> 00:46:25,917
to be a Dame Commander
Civil Division.

872
00:46:26,430 --> 00:46:29,957
Dame Eileen Atkins,
for services to drama.

873
00:46:31,230 --> 00:46:34,040
MAGGIE: I was just so thrilled
that my father was alive.

874
00:46:34,630 --> 00:46:38,157
But that's mostly the point, isn't it?
- EILEEN: Yes.

875
00:46:39,030 --> 00:46:45,436
MAGGIE: It's for other people who've
helped and got you where you are.

876
00:46:45,990 --> 00:46:47,321
It's not really you

877
00:46:51,550 --> 00:46:54,076
OFFICIAL: The order of the Companions
of Honour

878
00:46:54,910 --> 00:46:56,241
to be a member

879
00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:59,998
Dame Maggie Smith,
for services to drama.

880
00:47:04,950 --> 00:47:07,760
I think it's much nicer being a Lady

881
00:47:07,790 --> 00:47:09,952
which you were before
being a Dame.

882
00:47:09,990 --> 00:47:13,358
Well, darling it's quite difficult
when you've got two titles

883
00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:15,718
People don't know which to use.

884
00:47:15,750 --> 00:47:17,752
You'll have to grapple with it, Joan.

885
00:47:17,790 --> 00:47:19,280
THEY LAUGH

886
00:47:19,310 --> 00:47:21,916
MAGGIE: It's so much nicer to be
Lady somebody than Dame.

887
00:47:21,950 --> 00:47:23,156
JOAN:
Oh, darling, is it?

888
00:47:23,190 --> 00:47:26,592
Now I'm not sure about titles
at all, really.

889
00:47:27,310 --> 00:47:31,634
I have a feeling that Russia's way
of calling you a People's Artist.

890
00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:34,757
But you accepted it.

891
00:47:34,790 --> 00:47:37,270
I did, because everybody else had.

892
00:47:38,430 --> 00:47:39,795
Did you feel left out?

893
00:47:40,790 --> 00:47:47,674
Well, it's a kind of an acceptance
isn't it, of work achieved.

894
00:47:49,790 --> 00:47:54,751
OFFICIAL: Dame Joan Plowright
for services to drama.

895
00:47:58,910 --> 00:48:02,232
I remember Joan saying
on Tea with <i>Mussolini</i>

896
00:48:02,270 --> 00:48:03,760
they said something like Dames

897
00:48:03,790 --> 00:48:07,920
and Joanie said 'No, one Lady, two Dames'

898
00:48:07,950 --> 00:48:09,634
I remember that very well.

899
00:48:12,350 --> 00:48:15,991
Walking the streets of Rome
trying to find a hotel.

900
00:48:16,630 --> 00:48:17,995
I'll never forget it.

901
00:48:18,030 --> 00:48:19,111
MAGGIE:
Oh, that was wonderful.

902
00:48:19,150 --> 00:48:22,791
JUDI: And we got into the hotel,
and you were shown to your room.

903
00:48:22,830 --> 00:48:25,151
And somebody was showing me
to my room.

904
00:48:25,190 --> 00:48:26,635
This can't be right.

905
00:48:26,670 --> 00:48:29,480
And as I got to my room
you appeared around the corner.

906
00:48:29,510 --> 00:48:31,956
You said 'We're not stopping here
it's a knocking shop.'

907
00:48:31,990 --> 00:48:33,515
MAGGIE:
It's a knocking shop' yes.

908
00:48:33,550 --> 00:48:36,076
And it was 12.30 in the morning
I'll never forget it.

909
00:48:36,110 --> 00:48:37,999
And nor did we stay there.

910
00:48:38,030 --> 00:48:40,237
And we all landed up together,
didn't we.

911
00:48:40,270 --> 00:48:44,992
Yeah, well, we went... you and I went
along to the Grand, and I said...

912
00:48:45,030 --> 00:48:47,112
JUDI:
You went round the whole of Rome.

913
00:48:47,150 --> 00:48:50,154
No, but Joan asked...
you asked at the Grand...

914
00:48:50,190 --> 00:48:51,555
Do you have any rooms?'

915
00:48:52,230 --> 00:48:55,439
And he said
Madam, we have 150 rooms

916
00:48:57,430 --> 00:48:58,397
- JUDII
We did.

917
00:48:58,910 --> 00:49:00,321
We went to the Eden

918
00:49:00,350 --> 00:49:03,194
and do you remember
in the bar at the top

919
00:49:03,230 --> 00:49:05,517
you weren't allowed to eat there?

920
00:49:05,550 --> 00:49:09,032
We used to go and have drinks
and drink a whole bottle of Prosecco.

921
00:49:09,070 --> 00:49:10,310
Mm W mm"

922
00:49:10,350 --> 00:49:11,715
Yes, and then try and guess
where our rooms were.

923
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:13,036
THEY LAUGH

924
00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:19,752
Oh, well, we're not supposed
to be talking about that.

925
00:49:19,790 --> 00:49:22,794
No, we're not supposed to be talking
about things like that.

926
00:49:24,630 --> 00:49:25,995
INTERVIEWER
Reviews'?

927
00:49:26,030 --> 00:49:27,520
You don't read them.

928
00:49:28,110 --> 00:49:29,521
JUDI:
You certainly don't read them.

929
00:49:29,550 --> 00:49:31,040
Somebody will always tell you
won't they?

930
00:49:31,070 --> 00:49:33,437
Oh, yeah. Particularly if it's dreadful.

931
00:49:34,270 --> 00:49:35,954
Caryl Brahms
years and years ago

932
00:49:35,990 --> 00:49:37,719
JUDI: I was just going to say
Caryl Brahms.

933
00:49:37,750 --> 00:49:40,913
...came up to me at
a party when I was about early 20s

934
00:49:40,950 --> 00:49:44,238
and said 'I'm so sorry I had
to be so cruel to you.'

935
00:49:45,110 --> 00:49:47,920
And I hadn't known, and I didn't know
what she was talking about.

936
00:49:47,950 --> 00:49:50,317
Of course, that was the nicest way
I could have answered her.

937
00:49:50,350 --> 00:49:51,840
I mean,
it was a good thrust back.

938
00:49:51,910 --> 00:49:53,560
I said 'I'm sorry, I don't know
what you're talking about.'

939
00:49:53,590 --> 00:49:54,876
Yes, quite right

940
00:49:54,910 --> 00:49:57,880
But it was genuine, I didn't know
what she was talking about.

941
00:49:57,910 --> 00:49:59,150
And after that I thought

942
00:49:59,190 --> 00:50:01,431
Oh, you must check up on
what's said about you.'

943
00:50:01,470 --> 00:50:03,120
JUDI:
Well, I think that's not wise.

944
00:50:03,830 --> 00:50:05,275
Madam, I'm here.

945
00:50:05,310 --> 00:50:06,311
What is your will?

946
00:50:07,550 --> 00:50:08,995
JUDI:
She said about me as Juliet

947
00:50:09,030 --> 00:50:10,031
she said, 'A good try

948
00:50:10,070 --> 00:50:12,437
but Rosalind lden should
have been playing the part

949
00:50:12,470 --> 00:50:13,471
THEY LAUGH

950
00:50:13,510 --> 00:50:15,478
JOAN:
Oh, well, off the mark!

951
00:50:15,510 --> 00:50:17,512
MAGGIE: Who said that?
- Caryl Brahms.

952
00:50:18,750 --> 00:50:22,197
It's funny isn't it how, that is 1960

953
00:50:22,230 --> 00:50:25,074
It's funny now isn't it that you
should remember it then.

954
00:50:25,110 --> 00:50:27,397
EILEEN:
You remember the bad ones if...

955
00:50:27,430 --> 00:50:29,717
Yes. Best just not read it.

956
00:50:29,750 --> 00:50:31,036
You kind of know.

957
00:50:32,750 --> 00:50:35,560
INTERVIEWER: Talk more about
getting old, if you will.

958
00:50:35,590 --> 00:50:37,797
You all seem terribly young.
- I thought we were acting it quite well.

959
00:50:37,830 --> 00:50:39,673
JUDI: Fuck off, Roger
- THEY LAUGH

960
00:50:39,710 --> 00:50:41,394
Frankly

961
00:50:41,430 --> 00:50:44,036
Let's say it's a good job
I've got hearing aids in

962
00:50:44,070 --> 00:50:45,037
and I can hear what you say
because“.

963
00:50:45,070 --> 00:50:46,231
MAGGIE
And me.

964
00:50:46,270 --> 00:50:48,716
Hands up who hasn't got
hearing aids here?

965
00:50:48,750 --> 00:50:50,593
You need to get them.
- I do need to get them.

966
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:52,917
You need to get them, Jude!

967
00:50:54,710 --> 00:50:57,520
JOAN: And then there is
the question of sight loss.

968
00:50:57,550 --> 00:50:58,961
Well done.

969
00:50:58,990 --> 00:51:01,561
Have we got three eyes
between us all?

970
00:51:01,590 --> 00:51:03,592
But I'm saying something
about“...

971
00:51:03,630 --> 00:51:06,839
oh, well we could give these
things round to read.

972
00:51:06,870 --> 00:51:12,320
Or no, Roger said that, and I said,
'ls there nobody who can read?

973
00:51:12,350 --> 00:51:13,590
Who can read

974
00:51:14,990 --> 00:51:18,039
Judi said she's got to have
a huge print.

975
00:51:18,070 --> 00:51:19,310
I've got huge print

976
00:51:19,350 --> 00:51:20,840
Do you find though that...

977
00:51:21,390 --> 00:51:23,154
do you know what I really
don't like?

978
00:51:24,230 --> 00:51:29,760
That people, after a certain age go
can't... I want to say...

979
00:51:30,990 --> 00:51:33,561
if I can't do it,
I'll tell you that I can't do it.

980
00:51:33,590 --> 00:51:36,833
I mean, warn me about steps
and things but, you know...

981
00:51:38,230 --> 00:51:41,313
There's a very, very delicate line
because you need help,

982
00:51:41,350 --> 00:51:42,476
you need help.

983
00:51:42,510 --> 00:51:49,678
But it's like when I was stung
on the bum by a hornet, last year

984
00:51:49,710 --> 00:51:51,712
Oh, yes, and that awful... yes, say.

985
00:51:51,750 --> 00:51:55,641
And somebody, a paramedic
walked into the room

986
00:51:56,110 --> 00:51:57,600
who was about 17

987
00:51:57,630 --> 00:51:59,200
and he said 'What's our name?'

988
00:51:59,990 --> 00:52:01,037
JOAN
Oh!

989
00:52:01,070 --> 00:52:02,515
So I said...
SHE CLEARS THROAT

990
00:52:03,470 --> 00:52:05,279
'Judi, my name's Judi '

991
00:52:05,310 --> 00:52:06,914
And he said,
And have we got a carer'?

992
00:52:06,950 --> 00:52:09,715
And I blew my top

993
00:52:10,310 --> 00:52:11,755
I blew my top

994
00:52:12,590 --> 00:52:14,433
I'm afraid, I completely blew it.

995
00:52:15,230 --> 00:52:16,356
I mean, I would tell you what I said.

996
00:52:16,390 --> 00:52:18,870
You can't probably say it
I said 'You fuck off'.

997
00:52:18,910 --> 00:52:21,959
I said 'I've just done eight weeks
in The Winter's Tale

998
00:52:21,990 --> 00:52:23,515
at the Garrick Theatre!' I said.

999
00:52:23,750 --> 00:52:25,912
THEY LAUGH

1000
00:52:26,790 --> 00:52:28,713
I was so angry.

1001
00:52:28,750 --> 00:52:30,320
That's the kind of thing.

1002
00:52:31,350 --> 00:52:33,159
Have we got a carer?'

1003
00:52:34,150 --> 00:52:36,152
What's our name?'
- MAGGIE: I know.

1004
00:52:36,190 --> 00:52:38,238
That doesn't change, does it?

1005
00:52:38,270 --> 00:52:40,671
That doesn't change somebody
'What's your name?'

1006
00:52:40,710 --> 00:52:43,475
If you want somebody to say that,
you say, you know

1007
00:52:43,510 --> 00:52:45,717
you don't put in a
kind of person that's...

1008
00:52:45,750 --> 00:52:47,991
an invisible person
who's standing next to you.

1009
00:52:49,950 --> 00:52:52,954
I don't like it when people
ask if you've sorted your funeral out.

1010
00:52:53,510 --> 00:52:54,557
EILEEN:
Oh, Lord.

1011
00:52:54,590 --> 00:52:55,955
Do you remember,
Miriam asked you that?

1012
00:52:55,990 --> 00:52:58,834
Miriam Margolyes?
- JOAN: She'd got a lot to sort out.

1013
00:52:58,870 --> 00:53:00,281
Because she said she'd
sorted it all out

1014
00:53:00,310 --> 00:53:02,233
and knows exactly what she's going to do.

1015
00:53:02,270 --> 00:53:05,319
And then she'd said to you
'Have you, Jude?'

1016
00:53:05,350 --> 00:53:08,399
And you said 'No I have not '
And she said 'Why?'

1017
00:53:08,430 --> 00:53:10,239
And you said, 'Because I'm not going to die '

1018
00:53:10,510 --> 00:53:12,592
THEY LAUGH

1019
00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:15,636
Which I know is true.
- Pathetic talk, isn't it?

1020
00:53:16,470 --> 00:53:18,359
It was a very chilling moment.

1021
00:53:20,430 --> 00:53:23,320
But she's got it all organised
and lots of people do.

1022
00:53:23,350 --> 00:53:26,718
EILEEN: And we don't.
- Shall we talk about something cheerier?

1023
00:53:26,750 --> 00:53:29,321
EILEEN: Yes, talk about
- JUDI: Yes.

1024
00:53:29,350 --> 00:53:30,590
I think so.

1025
00:53:31,070 --> 00:53:32,993
INTERVIEWER:
OK, here's something cheerier.

1026
00:53:33,030 --> 00:53:34,873
Can you talk about working
with your husbands?

1027
00:53:37,670 --> 00:53:39,513
Well, there's a dead silence there.

1028
00:53:41,070 --> 00:53:42,720
I'm just trying to think which one?

1029
00:53:42,750 --> 00:53:43,990
Which one?

1030
00:53:46,990 --> 00:53:49,118
Well, obviously mine was
the most difficult.

1031
00:53:50,390 --> 00:53:52,677
We all found him tricky
- Yeah.

1032
00:53:53,350 --> 00:53:55,796
It wasn't just you, Joan

1033
00:53:56,390 --> 00:53:57,721
THEY LAUGH

1034
00:53:57,750 --> 00:53:59,514
JOAN:
You weren't in the same position.

1035
00:53:59,550 --> 00:54:00,676
MAGGIE: No.

1036
00:54:04,830 --> 00:54:06,912
JOAN:
George Bean came and said

1037
00:54:06,950 --> 00:54:08,873
Look, we would like you
to play Jean Rice.'

1038
00:54:10,830 --> 00:54:13,754
Of course the lure of his name too.

1039
00:54:13,790 --> 00:54:19,479
Except you knew you couldn't
make much of a show on your own

1040
00:54:19,510 --> 00:54:23,879
and of course, the part wasn't
anything that was to shout about

1041
00:54:24,590 --> 00:54:26,240
but you'd be on stage
with somebody

1042
00:54:26,270 --> 00:54:28,591
who everybody will be looking at
not looking at you.

1043
00:54:29,830 --> 00:54:34,074
But, the lure of just being on
the same page

1044
00:54:34,110 --> 00:54:36,681
of a programme was great

1045
00:54:37,910 --> 00:54:40,311
Hey, tell me something, will you?

1046
00:54:41,510 --> 00:54:43,831
I want you to tell me something
- Mm.

1047
00:54:45,270 --> 00:54:50,356
Well, what would you say
to a man of my age

1048
00:54:52,630 --> 00:54:58,353
marrying a girl of about your age?

1049
00:54:59,670 --> 00:55:00,910
Oh, Dad.

1050
00:55:02,710 --> 00:55:03,632
You're not serious

1051
00:55:04,390 --> 00:55:06,074
JOAN:
It was momentous...

1052
00:55:07,630 --> 00:55:09,473
Earth shattering for me.

1053
00:55:10,910 --> 00:55:12,878
A very, very strange experience.

1054
00:55:13,790 --> 00:55:17,681
Although it was a great privilege
to share in his life

1055
00:55:18,350 --> 00:55:24,198
as well as it being, you know,
a bit of a nightmare sometimes.

1056
00:55:24,310 --> 00:55:25,675
You married Sir Laurence Olivier

1057
00:55:25,710 --> 00:55:27,599
just before he started
the National Theatre

1058
00:55:27,630 --> 00:55:29,997
and your career since then has
been very tied up

1059
00:55:30,030 --> 00:55:31,111
with the National Theatre
- Yes.

1060
00:55:31,150 --> 00:55:32,993
Do you feel because of that,
and because of the marriage

1061
00:55:33,030 --> 00:55:35,397
that you have lost opportunities
that you might have had otherwise

1062
00:55:35,430 --> 00:55:37,080
in other forms of theatre?

1063
00:55:38,750 --> 00:55:40,036
Well...

1064
00:55:40,830 --> 00:55:42,036
That's a

1065
00:55:42,750 --> 00:55:45,959
That's a very difficult question
to answer, Sheridan

1066
00:55:45,990 --> 00:55:47,480
because

1067
00:55:48,830 --> 00:55:49,797
You know

1068
00:55:53,350 --> 00:55:57,912
The actual burden of going on,
knowing that, you know

1069
00:55:57,950 --> 00:56:00,874
those who don't really go for you

1070
00:56:00,910 --> 00:56:02,878
are going to say,
Well, of course, you know

1071
00:56:03,310 --> 00:56:05,551
it's her husband
who put her up in it.

1072
00:56:05,590 --> 00:56:09,390
That was my sort of burden.

1073
00:56:12,150 --> 00:56:13,436
This is good news.

1074
00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:15,755
The best you have given me yet

1075
00:56:16,430 --> 00:56:19,513
I wish you joy of it, if you find it so.

1076
00:56:19,830 --> 00:56:21,753
EILEEN:
I don't remember working... Oh, yes,

1077
00:56:22,710 --> 00:56:25,281
It was perfectly alright working
with my first husband

1078
00:56:25,310 --> 00:56:27,472
and my second one wasn't
an actor so...

1079
00:56:28,510 --> 00:56:29,352
Snap.

1080
00:56:35,830 --> 00:56:38,037
INTERVIEWER: What about
working with Robert, Maggie?

1081
00:56:38,070 --> 00:56:40,391
Well, that, yeah,
well, that was tricky.

1082
00:56:40,950 --> 00:56:47,276
A lot of times it was fine,
but then it really got very tricky

1083
00:56:47,310 --> 00:56:52,350
because he was not a well man
and that was hard

1084
00:56:52,390 --> 00:56:54,836
because you didn't know if
somebody was coming on stage

1085
00:56:54,870 --> 00:56:57,271
or if they were indeed,
what state they'd be in.

1086
00:56:58,510 --> 00:56:59,796
Do you want a cocktail?

1087
00:56:59,830 --> 00:57:00,956
There are two here

1088
00:57:01,990 --> 00:57:03,754
There are two over here as well

1089
00:57:04,350 --> 00:57:05,761
We'll have my two first.

1090
00:57:07,470 --> 00:57:09,791
Shall we get roaring, screaming drunk?

1091
00:57:09,830 --> 00:57:11,275
I don't think that would help.

1092
00:57:11,310 --> 00:57:13,358
We tried it once before
and it was dismal failure.

1093
00:57:13,390 --> 00:57:15,199
It was lovely at the beginning.

1094
00:57:15,550 --> 00:57:18,235
You have an immoral memory,
Amanda.

1095
00:57:18,990 --> 00:57:19,991
Here's to you

1096
00:57:21,590 --> 00:57:25,914
A lot of it was
very, very merry and lovely.

1097
00:57:27,270 --> 00:57:29,750
So I shall remember those bits.

1098
00:57:29,790 --> 00:57:31,758
JOAN: Yes, because
you were a golden couple.

1099
00:57:31,790 --> 00:57:34,157
We were a golden couple
- JUDI: You were.

1100
00:57:35,390 --> 00:57:39,031
Come back Jean, I need you.

1101
00:57:49,590 --> 00:57:52,196
INTERVIEWER: Judi, will you talk
a little bit about working with Michael?

1102
00:57:54,270 --> 00:57:55,271
Mm...

1103
00:57:59,670 --> 00:58:01,001
Y, nnn

1104
00:58:02,310 --> 00:58:04,836
MAGGIE:
How long did The <i>Fine</i> Romance

1105
00:58:04,870 --> 00:58:06,599
and things like that,
how long did all those go on?

1106
00:58:06,630 --> 00:58:08,075
JUDI:
Oh, ages and ages and ages

1107
00:58:08,110 --> 00:58:09,521
<i>JUDI:
This is</i> a <i>fine romance</i>

1108
00:58:12,710 --> 00:58:14,235
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

1109
00:58:14,270 --> 00:58:15,556
Ow, that was my head!

1110
00:58:17,870 --> 00:58:19,554
JUDI:
Working with Mike

1111
00:58:19,590 --> 00:58:22,878
oh, we had the most wonderful time,
but he used to laugh.

1112
00:58:22,910 --> 00:58:24,480
Mikey was a terror.

1113
00:58:24,510 --> 00:58:27,116
I mean, I'm bad at corpsing
Mikey was very bad at it.

1114
00:58:29,070 --> 00:58:31,437
<i>We did</i> a <i>play called A Pack Of Lies</i>

1115
00:58:32,670 --> 00:58:36,720
There was a long scene,
where Richard Vernon had to say...

1116
00:58:38,790 --> 00:58:40,280
Have you noticed a Vauxhall car

1117
00:58:41,910 --> 00:58:44,754
@@ lmMlmE=>@lf AW ﬂ?“

1118
00:58:48,830 --> 00:58:50,355
And he said one day to us...

1119
00:58:51,670 --> 00:58:54,719
Have you noticed a Vauxhall car?

1120
00:58:55,870 --> 00:58:57,201
Registration number...

1121
00:58:59,510 --> 00:59:01,035
F1U1I2?“

1122
00:59:04,150 --> 00:59:05,834
We had to almost stop the play

1123
00:59:07,910 --> 00:59:10,151
INTERVIEWER:
Are you all going to work forever?

1124
00:59:11,510 --> 00:59:13,956
Well, I don't suppose one can
but I'd like to.

1125
00:59:13,990 --> 00:59:15,674
Well, I would work forever if I'm asked.

1126
00:59:15,710 --> 00:59:16,871
If we're asked.

1127
00:59:16,910 --> 00:59:18,639
If we're asked
- What?

1128
00:59:18,670 --> 00:59:21,401
If we're asked. We're going to
work forever if we're asked.

1129
00:59:21,430 --> 00:59:24,115
MAGGIE: But you're always
asked first, if I may say so.

1130
00:59:24,150 --> 00:59:27,154
No, don't turn.
- I'm turning on you now.

1131
00:59:28,350 --> 00:59:29,681
It's all coming out now.

1132
00:59:29,710 --> 00:59:31,121
One of my hearing aids has gone.

1133
00:59:31,150 --> 00:59:32,481
What were we just talking about?

1134
00:59:32,510 --> 00:59:33,921
Do you want one of mine?
- What?

1135
00:59:33,950 --> 00:59:35,440
Do you want one of mine?

1136
00:59:36,470 --> 00:59:37,676
No, it won't fit.

1137
00:59:38,030 --> 00:59:40,192
It's just what was
the last thing said?

1138
00:59:40,230 --> 00:59:42,312
JUDI: Are we going to go on
working forever Joan?

1139
00:59:42,350 --> 00:59:43,636
Oh, was that it?

1140
00:59:44,350 --> 00:59:48,480
And I said Jude gets all
the parts first, but we know that.

1141
00:59:48,510 --> 00:59:49,841
Oh, yeah, I tell you.

1142
00:59:49,870 --> 00:59:54,512
My agent in America said to me,
when he knew I couldn't do very much

1143
00:59:54,550 --> 00:59:56,154
because of the eyesight going.

1144
00:59:56,190 --> 00:59:59,592
And he said 'Well, if you do want
to come over again

1145
00:59:59,630 --> 01:00:03,715
we'll look around for a nice
little cameo that Judi Dench

1146
01:00:03,750 --> 01:00:05,559
hasn't got her paws on '

1147
01:00:05,590 --> 01:00:07,194
THEY LAUGH

1148
01:00:07,230 --> 01:00:08,595
How rude.

1149
01:00:08,630 --> 01:00:10,712
It's not rude at all.
- It's very, very rude.

1150
01:00:10,750 --> 01:00:13,481
Well, that's America
that's how they talk.

1151
01:00:15,870 --> 01:00:18,555
Why does every day involve
a fight with an American?

1152
01:00:33,270 --> 01:00:36,353
MAGGIE: I used to find the most
exhausting thing wearing those hats.

1153
01:00:37,590 --> 01:00:39,911
They're the heaviest things
in the world.

1154
01:00:39,950 --> 01:00:44,512
I had a hat,
it was like the Albert Hall.

1155
01:00:44,550 --> 01:00:48,077
It was this huge and so heavy.

1156
01:00:48,870 --> 01:00:52,158
I said please take it off
please take it off.

1157
01:00:52,590 --> 01:00:54,319
How many episodes were there?

1158
01:00:54,350 --> 01:00:55,875
I mean how many series?
Three?

1159
01:00:55,910 --> 01:00:57,674
I don't know. I don't know.

1160
01:00:57,710 --> 01:00:58,950
No, I think there was more.

1161
01:01:00,790 --> 01:01:02,474
I don't know, I haven't seen it.

1162
01:01:03,470 --> 01:01:04,995
I haven't seen it yet.

1163
01:01:06,190 --> 01:01:07,954
But they gave me a box set.

1164
01:01:07,990 --> 01:01:10,197
What?
- They gave me a box set.

1165
01:01:10,830 --> 01:01:12,275
But I haven't got time.

1166
01:01:12,830 --> 01:01:16,437
I shall have to hasten,
because I won't last long enough

1167
01:01:16,470 --> 01:01:18,154
to see the wretched thing, will I'?

1168
01:01:23,030 --> 01:01:26,512
INTERVIEWER: So, was Mrs <i>Brown</i>
your first queen on film?

1169
01:01:27,270 --> 01:01:31,673
Mrs <i>Brown</i> must have been
the first time, yes I played a queen.

1170
01:01:31,710 --> 01:01:33,712
I leave for Deeside
- The Queen forbids it.

1171
01:01:33,950 --> 01:01:37,477
JUDI:
And that really changed my career.

1172
01:01:38,150 --> 01:01:39,436
<i>MAGGIE:
Mrs Brown?</i>

1173
01:01:39,470 --> 01:01:42,758
Yeah, because I wasn't asked
to do anything in films.

1174
01:01:42,790 --> 01:01:45,555
I'd done a few films before that,
but very, very little.

1175
01:01:47,630 --> 01:01:49,041
Now they never stop

1176
01:01:49,070 --> 01:01:54,201
Without you I cannot find the strength
to be who I must be.

1177
01:01:56,790 --> 01:01:57,951
We-ass

1178
01:02:02,510 --> 01:02:05,241
INTERVIEWER: Can you talk about
being on really big film sets?

1179
01:02:05,750 --> 01:02:07,400
Like huge film sets?

1180
01:02:07,430 --> 01:02:10,115
<i>Like the Bond film set or Harry Potter'?</i>

1181
01:02:11,590 --> 01:02:13,558
As for you two gentlemen

1182
01:02:13,590 --> 01:02:16,116
I just hope you realise
how fortunate you are.

1183
01:02:17,150 --> 01:02:19,312
Not many first year students
could take on

1184
01:02:19,350 --> 01:02:22,081
a fully grown mountain troll
and live to tell the tale.

1185
01:02:22,950 --> 01:02:28,400
MAGGIE: Actually Alan Hickman and I
we just ran out of reaction shots.

1186
01:02:29,270 --> 01:02:31,591
Because they would always
shoot on the children first

1187
01:02:31,630 --> 01:02:32,791
not surprisingly

1188
01:02:32,830 --> 01:02:34,798
And then they turn round
and we'd be going...

1189
01:02:36,870 --> 01:02:39,316
Or listening, you know,
and it's absolutely extraordinary.

1190
01:02:39,350 --> 01:02:40,840
Who's this one here?

1191
01:02:40,950 --> 01:02:42,111
CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS

1192
01:02:44,910 --> 01:02:46,321
I was just surprised

1193
01:02:46,350 --> 01:02:48,034
I thought that was part of <i>Harry</i> Potter.

1194
01:02:48,070 --> 01:02:49,595
He did it really, really well

1195
01:02:50,750 --> 01:02:52,115
Are you a camera?

1196
01:02:52,150 --> 01:02:54,039
INTERVIEWER: You've met before
- I know.

1197
01:02:54,070 --> 01:02:55,481
We met yesterday

1198
01:02:55,950 --> 01:02:59,591
But you're always in the scene.

1199
01:03:01,670 --> 01:03:03,877
Would you like to come
and sit here?

1200
01:03:05,150 --> 01:03:07,960
I'm suddenly sort of aware
that you're there

1201
01:03:07,990 --> 01:03:09,640
more than anybody else.

1202
01:03:09,670 --> 01:03:10,717
MAN:
Would you like me to move?

1203
01:03:10,750 --> 01:03:12,240
I would love it if you moved.

1204
01:03:17,590 --> 01:03:20,833
I honestly think you've taken
an awful lot of photographs.

1205
01:03:20,870 --> 01:03:22,235
MAN:
Yes,lhave.

1206
01:03:22,270 --> 01:03:24,318
Yes.
- INTERVIEWER: It is his job to do that.

1207
01:03:24,350 --> 01:03:25,920
I know it is, darling, but

1208
01:03:27,110 --> 01:03:28,919
He's not going to be upset now?

1209
01:03:28,950 --> 01:03:30,031
MAN:
Of course not, no.

1210
01:03:30,070 --> 01:03:32,676
Look at him,
he's been there forever.

1211
01:03:32,710 --> 01:03:34,075
JUDI: He's going to go
and bang about a lot.

1212
01:03:34,110 --> 01:03:35,600
MAGGIE:
We've got quite enough here.

1213
01:03:37,430 --> 01:03:38,591
Oh.

1214
01:03:39,550 --> 01:03:41,040
For God's sake.

1215
01:03:42,870 --> 01:03:44,315
Just get out of the way

1216
01:03:45,110 --> 01:03:46,839
Don't you recognise the car?
- Madam.

1217
01:03:51,110 --> 01:03:52,600
MAGGIE:
Oh, talk about Bond.

1218
01:03:52,630 --> 01:03:54,792
I want to know how you do
covered in jewels.

1219
01:03:55,830 --> 01:03:57,355
I was never covered in jewels.

1220
01:03:57,390 --> 01:03:58,755
After it you were.

1221
01:03:58,790 --> 01:04:01,111
Afterwards, did you say?

1222
01:04:02,630 --> 01:04:04,712
JUDI:
It was Michael really who said...

1223
01:04:04,750 --> 01:04:07,913
because when I was asked to do it
I was kind of really taken aback

1224
01:04:07,950 --> 01:04:11,272
and Michael said 'I long to live
with a Bond woman,' he said.

1225
01:04:11,310 --> 01:04:13,881
'I long to, you have to do it '

1226
01:04:13,910 --> 01:04:16,481
My sons went to a little
preparatory school

1227
01:04:16,510 --> 01:04:17,955
not that far from here

1228
01:04:18,630 --> 01:04:21,201
where Kim Philby
was the main pupil.

1229
01:04:21,630 --> 01:04:23,120
JUDI:
Michael's hero.

1230
01:04:23,670 --> 01:04:24,876
MAGGIE:
Kim Philby?

1231
01:04:26,230 --> 01:04:29,120
JUDI: Have you ever seen
that bit of film with him

1232
01:04:29,150 --> 01:04:32,199
when he was suspected
of being a traitor

1233
01:04:32,230 --> 01:04:34,153
and he calls the press into his house?

1234
01:04:36,870 --> 01:04:38,395
REPORTER:
Well, if there was a third man

1235
01:04:38,430 --> 01:04:39,955
were you in fact the third man?

1236
01:04:39,990 --> 01:04:41,435
No, I was not.

1237
01:04:41,870 --> 01:04:43,076
REPORTER:
Do you think there was one?

1238
01:04:43,110 --> 01:04:44,236
No comment.

1239
01:04:45,390 --> 01:04:47,199
JUDI:
Every actor should look at that

1240
01:04:47,230 --> 01:04:48,072
MAGGIE
I know.

1241
01:04:48,110 --> 01:04:49,191
Because

1242
01:04:49,830 --> 01:04:54,313
Because, I mean, you cannot begin
to think for a minute

1243
01:04:54,350 --> 01:04:55,920
that he's lying
- I know.

1244
01:04:55,950 --> 01:04:58,521
And it was in his mother's flat
wasn't it?

1245
01:04:58,550 --> 01:05:01,235
JUDI: I think it was
- Mum was there

1246
01:05:01,270 --> 01:05:02,396
listening to all the lies.

1247
01:05:02,430 --> 01:05:04,717
And you think, of course
don't be so stupid

1248
01:05:04,750 --> 01:05:07,913
of course he's not duplicitous
in any way whatsoever.

1249
01:05:08,990 --> 01:05:10,230
Good, good acting

1250
01:05:10,630 --> 01:05:11,791
Good spying.

1251
01:05:13,030 --> 01:05:15,397
INTERVIEWER: Fear is a common
threat over the last two days.

1252
01:05:15,790 --> 01:05:16,712
Fear.

1253
01:05:16,750 --> 01:05:18,514
Fear is petrol.
- INTERVIEWER: It's the payoff.

1254
01:05:18,550 --> 01:05:19,881
Fear is petrol
- Yes.

1255
01:05:19,910 --> 01:05:21,560
Talk about that. That's amazing
- Fear.

1256
01:05:21,590 --> 01:05:22,671
Fear is what?

1257
01:05:22,710 --> 01:05:24,235
Fear is the petrol, isn't it?

1258
01:05:25,110 --> 01:05:29,001
Fear, you know, it generates
such an energy, fear

1259
01:05:29,030 --> 01:05:30,156
being frightened
- Yes.

1260
01:05:31,030 --> 01:05:33,954
That if you can somehow channel it
it can be a help.

1261
01:05:35,950 --> 01:05:36,872
INTERVIEWER
Really good.

1262
01:05:37,510 --> 01:05:38,750
OK, end board

1263
01:05:39,590 --> 01:05:42,480
I'm so sorry we are
very, very tired.

1264
01:05:42,510 --> 01:05:48,199
You know, so you have...
they've told you how old we are

1265
01:05:48,230 --> 01:05:49,072
haven't they?

1266
01:05:49,110 --> 01:05:50,475
INTERVI EWER:
I've been informed.

1267
01:05:50,510 --> 01:05:53,957
Nobody's told how old.
I'm not telling anybody.

1268
01:05:57,670 --> 01:05:59,752
INDISTINCT CHATTER

1269
01:06:10,870 --> 01:06:13,111
Do you think we ought to have
a glass of Champagne

1270
01:06:13,150 --> 01:06:14,311
round this one?

1271
01:06:14,350 --> 01:06:16,352
God, I could kill it
- Yes.

1272
01:06:16,390 --> 01:06:18,597
I think it's far too late.

1273
01:06:18,630 --> 01:06:21,600
Why didn't anybody think
of that a few hours ago?

1274
01:06:25,310 --> 01:06:28,359
Dame Ede had speaking teeth
and eating teeth.

1275
01:06:29,830 --> 01:06:32,310
And she used to go home
with her speaking teeth in

1276
01:06:32,350 --> 01:06:33,954
am when ph@1m@ am my

1277
01:06:33,990 --> 01:06:37,915
'You'll have to go and get my teeth
because I'm very hungry.'

1278
01:06:39,470 --> 01:06:41,199
She'd left them in
the dressing room?

1279
01:06:41,230 --> 01:06:43,881
Yes. So Diggy had to go and get them
from the dressing room...

1280
01:06:43,910 --> 01:06:45,833
Teeth? Did you say teeth?

1281
01:06:45,870 --> 01:06:48,874
She used to have speaking teeth
and eating teeth.

1282
01:06:49,950 --> 01:06:51,475
EILEEN:
And we think we're in trouble.

1283
01:06:51,510 --> 01:06:53,672
I mean, two lots of teeth
- MAGGIE: I know!

1284
01:06:54,830 --> 01:06:56,912
A handing?

1285
01:06:57,230 --> 01:07:00,359
She was always saying
'I am so lonely.'

1286
01:07:00,790 --> 01:07:02,315
Well, I know the feeling.

1287
01:07:03,150 --> 01:07:04,515
Don't you?
- Yeah.

1288
01:07:04,550 --> 01:07:06,040
Yes.
- But I...

1289
01:07:06,070 --> 01:07:08,232
But now, this is what I'm saying
the awful thing is...

1290
01:07:08,990 --> 01:07:12,312
I used to think awful things
about Dame Ede.

1291
01:07:12,350 --> 01:07:14,318
JOAN: Yeah.
- And I don't now.

1292
01:07:14,910 --> 01:07:16,639
CORK POPS
- JUDI: Oh, my goodness.

1293
01:07:17,190 --> 01:07:18,555
MAGGIE:
Are we doing anything?

1294
01:07:19,430 --> 01:07:20,636
We're drinking Champagne.

1295
01:07:20,670 --> 01:07:22,911
It's always worrying when you see
these guys, so look at them

1296
01:07:23,510 --> 01:07:24,955
sneaking up on you
- Look, look, look.

1297
01:07:24,990 --> 01:07:25,957
We have to have a sip.

1298
01:07:26,710 --> 01:07:28,792
Listen, listen.
- Are we talking?

1299
01:07:30,110 --> 01:07:31,794
MAGGIE:
What would you like to talk about?

1300
01:07:31,830 --> 01:07:33,320
No, I meant are we on yet?

1301
01:07:33,350 --> 01:07:35,478
We're waiting for Roger to shout
- Are we on yet?

1302
01:07:35,510 --> 01:07:37,797
Yeah, they never stop
- They never stop.

1303
01:07:37,830 --> 01:07:39,514
Oh, they never stop?
- Cheers to everybody.

1304
01:07:39,550 --> 01:07:40,995
EILEEN: To us
- Thank you.

1305
01:07:41,030 --> 01:07:42,270
To you, everyone

1306
01:07:42,910 --> 01:07:44,639
What?
- You're not having any.

1307
01:07:46,630 --> 01:07:49,713
Who?
- We're drinking our Champagne, Joan.

1308
01:07:49,750 --> 01:07:50,956
Alright)'

1309
01:07:54,710 --> 01:07:57,953
INTERVIEWER: What would your
advice be to your young selves?

1310
01:07:58,710 --> 01:08:01,441
Oh... Christ.

1311
01:08:01,670 --> 01:08:03,001
II mum my...

1312
01:08:04,390 --> 01:08:11,672
Get in touch with yoga or mindfulness
at quite an early age.

1313
01:08:13,670 --> 01:08:15,638
And learn about the brain

1314
01:08:16,430 --> 01:08:20,321
and what influence it has
on the body.

1315
01:08:20,350 --> 01:08:26,232
All those things that I've come
to be interested in later on in life

1316
01:08:26,270 --> 01:08:28,477
and could have done with doing earlier.

1317
01:08:30,030 --> 01:08:32,192
And I think Joan kind of leads...

1318
01:08:35,750 --> 01:08:39,072
ls a version of mine,
which I would say not to be

1319
01:08:39,950 --> 01:08:44,797
so very bad tempered
and confrontational.

1320
01:08:46,990 --> 01:08:48,037
JOAN:
Mm-hm.

1321
01:08:48,990 --> 01:08:50,401
And listen more.

1322
01:08:55,430 --> 01:08:56,591
WM, me?

1323
01:08:56,630 --> 01:08:57,472
EILEEN
Yes.

1324
01:08:59,270 --> 01:09:00,874
Honest to God I don't know

1325
01:09:01,670 --> 01:09:03,832
because most likely I wouldn't
be listening.

1326
01:09:04,430 --> 01:09:08,992
But I would say, when in doubt
don't.

1327
01:09:09,830 --> 01:09:10,717
:
Hm.

1328
01:09:11,670 --> 01:09:13,115
EILEEN:
That's good

1329
01:09:13,150 --> 01:09:14,754
I think I would.

1330
01:09:14,790 --> 01:09:16,599
It should be a motto, that.

1331
01:09:16,630 --> 01:09:18,712
I wish I knew the Latin of it.

1332
01:09:19,430 --> 01:09:21,876
What, 'When in doubt'?
- When in doubt, don't.

1333
01:09:23,710 --> 01:09:24,871
Jude.

1334
01:09:27,150 --> 01:09:31,439
I would say, try not to be so
susceptible to falling in love.

1335
01:09:32,430 --> 01:09:34,797
Quite so pathetic.

1336
01:09:35,230 --> 01:09:36,595
THEY LAUGH

1337
01:09:36,630 --> 01:09:37,756
BLEEN
Jude!

1338
01:09:42,310 --> 01:09:44,517
EILEEN:
No, be more susceptible.

1339
01:09:44,550 --> 01:09:45,551
No.

1340
01:09:46,310 --> 01:09:47,675
MAGGIE:
Less susceptible.

1341
01:09:51,550 --> 01:09:53,075
Well, whatever it is

1342
01:09:54,030 --> 01:09:55,441
it's too late.

1343
01:09:58,350 --> 01:10:00,114
What else? What else?

1344
01:10:00,150 --> 01:10:03,040
Somebody said it's too late.
- MAGGIE: I said it's too late.

1345
01:10:04,510 --> 01:10:06,114
Oh, it's never too late.

1346
01:10:06,150 --> 01:10:07,595
MAGGIE:
Oh, do stop, Joan.

1347
01:10:08,270 --> 01:10:10,637
You know it is.
- It's never too late to fall in love.

1348
01:10:16,350 --> 01:10:18,398
What is that out of'?

1349
01:10:18,430 --> 01:10:21,559
<i>The Boyfriend?</i>
- <i>The Salad Days,</i> isn't <i>it?</i>

1350
01:10:21,590 --> 01:10:23,752
<i>Oh, is it The Boyfriend?</i>
- <i>No,</i> I <i>don't</i> know.

1351
01:10:23,790 --> 01:10:25,713
JUDI:
I think The Boyfr/endit is, is it?

1352
01:10:25,830 --> 01:10:27,400
MUSIC: "Cello Suite No. 1"
by JS Bach

1353
01:10:28,710 --> 01:10:30,075
Oh, I'm so sorry.

1354
01:11:10,310 --> 01:11:14,315
You wrote criticisms of Laurence...

1355
01:11:15,670 --> 01:11:18,037
When you were at school,
you didn't think much of his...

1356
01:11:18,070 --> 01:11:20,198
Oh, I'd wrote to my parents, yes

1357
01:11:20,830 --> 01:11:22,958
He was Hamlet and...

1358
01:11:24,070 --> 01:11:26,437
yes, I had seen
Michael Redgrave first.

1359
01:11:29,470 --> 01:11:32,872
I wrote and said Laurence Olivier
was a bit ham.

1360
01:11:33,470 --> 01:11:35,199
Yeah.
- Hammy.

1361
01:11:35,230 --> 01:11:36,561
Did you ever tell him?

1362
01:11:36,910 --> 01:11:39,356
No, I didn't actually, no.

1363
01:11:40,230 --> 01:11:43,791
No, because, you know,
when you're in the throes of love

1364
01:11:43,830 --> 01:11:47,312
and swept off your feet, you don't
- No, I meant later, Joan.

1365
01:11:48,790 --> 01:11:51,521
I don't think I did later.

1366
01:11:52,470 --> 01:11:55,076
No, I'm sure I didn't.

1367
01:11:56,270 --> 01:11:57,874
JUDI:
Did you see him as Henry V?

1368
01:11:58,790 --> 01:12:01,111
I can remember being taken
in Plymouth to see it.

1369
01:12:03,790 --> 01:12:05,997
I just loved it.
I remember it so clearly.

1370
01:12:06,030 --> 01:12:08,192
I wrote to him apparently

1371
01:12:08,750 --> 01:12:12,960
and Tamsin found a school girl
diary of mine

1372
01:12:13,590 --> 01:12:16,639
which said,
Got a letter back from LO

1373
01:12:16,670 --> 01:12:19,355
You see, that's what I was saying

1374
01:12:19,390 --> 01:12:22,394
That's what you was saying
not writing to my parents.

1375
01:12:22,430 --> 01:12:23,636
MAGGIE
No.

1376
01:12:24,750 --> 01:12:25,751
Yes

1377
01:12:26,070 --> 01:12:29,119
That was saying how much
I'd loved it, of course.

1378
01:12:29,550 --> 01:12:31,040
JUDI:
Have you got the letter?

1379
01:12:31,070 --> 01:12:32,196
MAGGIE:
So it was a fan letter?

1380
01:12:32,230 --> 01:12:35,916
Yes, it was a fan letter
and I got this letter back

1381
01:12:35,950 --> 01:12:38,191
which I know now was
from Dorothy Welford.

1382
01:12:38,230 --> 01:12:39,470
THEY LAUGH

1383
01:12:39,510 --> 01:12:41,274
<i>mm</i> “

1384
01:12:42,870 --> 01:12:44,554
With a stamped

1385
01:12:47,750 --> 01:12:49,991
Which thousands of school girls got.

1386
01:12:52,470 --> 01:12:55,519
I know Maggie had a tough time
with him on occasions.

1387
01:12:55,550 --> 01:12:58,440
Well, we do know that
- Oh, no, come on.

1388
01:12:58,470 --> 01:13:00,552
No tougher than with a lot of actors.

1389
01:13:00,590 --> 01:13:03,480
No, you were also, you know...

1390
01:13:03,710 --> 01:13:07,760
my kids called on you when I was away

1391
01:13:07,790 --> 01:13:09,633
when he was suddenly taken ill again.

1392
01:13:10,190 --> 01:13:13,239
You came round and held his hand.

1393
01:13:13,270 --> 01:13:16,831
Yes.
- You did, in my absence

1394
01:13:16,870 --> 01:13:18,793
This hand held the hand.

1395
01:13:18,830 --> 01:13:20,514
JOAN LAUGHS
Yes.

1396
01:13:21,350 --> 01:13:24,593
EILEEN: I remember him saying to me,
I had a bit in Semi-Detached

1397
01:13:24,630 --> 01:13:27,873
where I had to go off stage,
run upstairs, run down again

1398
01:13:27,910 --> 01:13:29,196
and come on stage.

1399
01:13:29,230 --> 01:13:33,519
And he said to me,
'You're always a fraction late

1400
01:13:33,950 --> 01:13:36,032
And I said,
'Well, that's how long it takes me.

1401
01:13:36,070 --> 01:13:38,641
I do it as quickly as I can
to run up the stairs

1402
01:13:38,670 --> 01:13:40,274
outside the door and down again

1403
01:13:40,310 --> 01:13:43,314
And he said, 'My dear, it's an illusion.

1404
01:13:43,350 --> 01:13:46,160
You don't have to run up the stairs'.

1405
01:13:47,230 --> 01:13:51,554
I remember going to see a play
in New York with an English actor

1406
01:13:51,590 --> 01:13:55,151
when the notices had paid a lot of
attention to a great cry

1407
01:13:55,190 --> 01:13:57,397
he did at the end of the second act
or something

1408
01:13:57,430 --> 01:14:00,001
and the night we were there
it didn't happen

1409
01:14:00,030 --> 01:14:02,158
and we went round to see
him and said

1410
01:14:02,190 --> 01:14:03,680
you know, 'Where was it?'

1411
01:14:04,110 --> 01:14:06,511
He said 'I felt I couldn't reach it

1412
01:14:07,110 --> 01:14:09,636
and I didn't want to
give the audience a lie.

1413
01:14:10,990 --> 01:14:12,037
JUDI:
Oh my.

1414
01:14:12,070 --> 01:14:13,640
But then I said well, you know

1415
01:14:13,670 --> 01:14:15,991
'The whole thing from
beginning to end is a lie

1416
01:14:16,030 --> 01:14:19,034
After all, Hamlet does get up
and take a curtail call.

1417
01:14:20,030 --> 01:14:22,112
So there was a whole argument
going on then.

1418
01:14:23,510 --> 01:14:25,672
Oh, well, maybe you should just
try the cry

1419
01:14:25,710 --> 01:14:27,838
whether you're in the mood or not.

1420
01:14:27,870 --> 01:14:29,520
You should be in the mood
is the answer.

1421
01:14:29,550 --> 01:14:30,631
It's acting

1422
01:14:31,470 --> 01:14:32,960
You find the way

1423
01:14:32,990 --> 01:14:33,957
Yes

1424
01:14:35,030 --> 01:14:38,000
To make it happen
and appear spontaneous.

1425
01:14:38,950 --> 01:14:43,877
And that's the difference between
actual truth and illusion.

1426
01:14:47,790 --> 01:14:49,554
BIRDS SING OUTSIDE

1427
01:15:00,790 --> 01:15:01,871
mm.

1428
01:15:03,870 --> 01:15:05,281
I'm lost for words.

1429
01:15:05,310 --> 01:15:07,199
MAGGIE:
I have nothing left to say.

1430
01:15:11,590 --> 01:15:13,513
CROWD CHEERS

1431
01:15:15,470 --> 01:15:18,394
MUSIC: "Honky Tonk Women"
by The Rolling Stones

1432
01:15:34,670 --> 01:15:39,198
<i>#</i> I met a gin-soaked,
bar-room queen in Memphis

1433
01:15:42,910 --> 01:15:48,155
<i>#</i> She tried to take me upstairs
for a ride

1434
01:15:51,110 --> 01:15:56,116
<i>#</i> She had to heave me
right across shoulder

1435
01:15:58,990 --> 01:16:03,951
<i>#</i> Cause I just can't seem
to drink you off my mind

1436
01:16:07,070 --> 01:16:12,236
<i>#</i> It's the honky tonk women

1437
01:16:15,670 --> 01:16:19,720
<i>#</i> Gimme, gimme, gimme
the honky tonk blues <i>#</i>

1438
01:16:43,230 --> 01:16:45,073
JUDI:
Our revels now are ended.

1439
01:16:45,830 --> 01:16:48,356
These our actors as I foretold you

1440
01:16:48,990 --> 01:16:52,631
were all spirits and are melted
into air?

1441
01:16:53,430 --> 01:16:55,159
Into thin air?

1442
01:16:56,670 --> 01:16:59,355
And like the baseless fabric
of this vision

1443
01:17:00,350 --> 01:17:02,512
the cloud-capped towers

1444
01:17:02,550 --> 01:17:06,236
the gorgeous palaces,
the solemn temples

1445
01:17:06,270 --> 01:17:07,999
the great globe itself

1446
01:17:08,630 --> 01:17:12,874
yea all which it inherit
shall dissolve.

1447
01:17:13,990 --> 01:17:17,551
And like this insubstantial
pageant faded

1448
01:17:18,470 --> 01:17:21,235
leave not a rack behind.

1449
01:17:23,710 --> 01:17:26,281
We are such stuff as dreams
are made on

1450
01:17:27,790 --> 01:17:31,556
and our little life
is rounded with a sleep

1451
01:17:41,030 --> 01:17:43,032
I hope you're getting
the others to do this.

1452
01:17:43,070 --> 01:17:44,674
ROGER: Yes, we are
- Roger.

1453
01:17:44,710 --> 01:17:46,553
For you, I promise

1454
01:17:46,590 --> 01:17:48,194
You swear?

1455
01:17:48,230 --> 01:17:49,470
I swear.
- You swear?

1456
01:17:49,510 --> 01:17:50,750
I swear

1457
01:17:54,430 --> 01:17:55,955
Dame Judi Dench, Dame Judi Dench

1458
01:17:55,990 --> 01:17:59,039
Dame Judi Dench, Dame Judi Dench
Dame Judi Dench.

1459
01:17:59,070 --> 01:18:01,835
Dame Judi Dench, Dame Judi Dench
Dame Judi Dench.

1460
01:18:01,870 --> 01:18:04,396
Dame Judi Dench, Dame Judi Dench
Dame Judi Dench.

1461
01:18:04,430 --> 01:18:06,353
Dame Judi Dench, Dame Judi Dench

1462
01:18:06,390 --> 01:18:09,758
Dame Judi Dench, Dame Judi Dench
Jane Doobie Dench.

1463
01:18:09,790 --> 01:18:11,315
SHE LAUGHS

1464
01:18:11,350 --> 01:18:13,239
I like Jane Doobie Jench.

1465
01:19:59,350 --> 01:19:59,794
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