1 00:00:02,896 --> 00:00:05,546 I CALL IT THE POWER OF THE STETHOSCOPE. 2 00:00:05,551 --> 00:00:07,691 HE CONTROLLED PEOPLE'S DESTINY. 3 00:00:07,689 --> 00:00:08,999 HE CONTROLLED THEIR LIVES. 4 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:13,660 HE DECIDED WHO LIVES AND WHO DIES. 5 00:00:13,655 --> 00:00:17,165 HE WAS YOUR WORST NIGHTMARE. 6 00:00:17,172 --> 00:00:19,932 YOU'RE IN BED AND A DOCTOR COMES IN, 7 00:00:19,931 --> 00:00:22,691 PUTS SOMETHING IN YOUR IV, AND THEN YOU REALIZE, 8 00:00:22,689 --> 00:00:25,519 "I'M DYING, BUT I CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT." 9 00:00:25,517 --> 00:00:27,587 SOMEBODY SHOULD HAVE BEEN PLAYING THE SOUNDTRACK 10 00:00:27,586 --> 00:00:28,786 TO SOME HORROR MOVIE 11 00:00:28,793 --> 00:00:31,173 BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT FEELS LIKE. 12 00:00:33,931 --> 00:00:36,311 WE KNEW IT WAS GONNA BE MONTHS, BUT I DON'T THINK ANYBODY. 13 00:00:36,310 --> 00:00:40,000 SUSPECTED IT WAS GONNA BE YEARS AT THE START. 14 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:45,210 I THINK EVERY DAY THAT PASSED, HE HAD A STRONGER SENSE 15 00:00:45,206 --> 00:00:49,856 THAT HE WASN'T GONNA BE CHARGED WITH ANYTHING. 16 00:00:49,862 --> 00:00:51,282 WE WANTED TO GET TO THE TRUTH. 17 00:00:51,275 --> 00:00:54,895 WE WANTED TO FIND OUT IF THERE WERE PEOPLE OUT THERE 18 00:00:54,896 --> 00:00:56,376 WHO THOUGHT THEIR FAMILY, 19 00:00:56,379 --> 00:00:58,859 THEIR LOVED ONES, HAD DIED A NATURAL DEATH 20 00:00:58,862 --> 00:01:00,172 AT THE HOSPITAL WHEN THEY HADN'T... 21 00:01:00,172 --> 00:01:04,592 WHEN THEY ACTUALLY DIED A VERY PAINFUL DEATH 22 00:01:04,586 --> 00:01:06,656 AND NOT... NOT PEACEFUL, BY ANY MEANS. 23 00:01:06,655 --> 00:01:10,135 THEY DIDN'T GO IN THEIR SLEEP. 24 00:01:10,137 --> 00:01:16,967 I JUST REMEMBER MY MOM BEING THE STEREOTYPICAL HOUSEWIFE. 25 00:01:16,965 --> 00:01:20,825 I WOULD SAY SHE HAD A GREAT LIFE... 26 00:01:20,827 --> 00:01:24,477 UNTIL IT WAS SNATCHED AWAY FROM HER. 27 00:01:24,482 --> 00:01:28,692 SHE DIDN'T DESERVE TO BE ROBBED OF WHATEVER AMOUNT OF TIME 28 00:01:28,689 --> 00:01:30,409 SHE HAD LEFT. 29 00:01:32,517 --> 00:01:35,207 NOBODY KNOWS THIS EVER HAPPENED. 30 00:01:35,206 --> 00:01:39,966 HE'S NEVER MENTIONED AS ONE OF THE MASS KILLERS IN AMERICA 31 00:01:39,965 --> 00:01:44,655 AND HAS GONE INTO THE DUSTBIN OF HISTORY, 32 00:01:44,655 --> 00:01:47,655 NEVER TO BE HEARD FROM AGAIN. 33 00:01:56,586 --> 00:01:59,586 Captions by VITAC... www.vitac.com 34 00:01:59,586 --> 00:02:02,656 CAPTIONS PAID FOR BY DISCOVERY COMMUNICATIONS 35 00:02:18,379 --> 00:02:21,619 MY LIFE KIND OF GOT TURNED UPSIDE DOWN 36 00:02:21,620 --> 00:02:23,380 WHEN I WAS 12 YEARS OLD. 37 00:02:23,379 --> 00:02:25,619 MY FATHER DIED. 38 00:02:32,620 --> 00:02:35,520 WHEN MY FATHER DIED, 39 00:02:35,517 --> 00:02:38,997 THERE WAS MORE THAN ONE OCCASION WHEN I THOUGHT, 40 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,340 "WHY DID IT HAVE TO BE HIM?" 41 00:02:41,344 --> 00:02:44,454 IF ONE OF MY PARENTS WAS GONNA DIE, 42 00:02:44,448 --> 00:02:46,448 WHY DID IT HAVE TO BE HIM? 43 00:02:59,862 --> 00:03:01,552 SOON AFTER MY FATHER DIED, 44 00:03:01,551 --> 00:03:06,621 SHE... ALMOST BECAME AN ABSENTEE MOM. 45 00:03:06,620 --> 00:03:12,590 AND I WAS PRETTY MUCH LEFT HOME ALONE AS A TEENAGER. 46 00:03:14,068 --> 00:03:21,688 AFTER I LEFT FOR COLLEGE, I SAW HER RARELY. 47 00:03:21,689 --> 00:03:25,519 SHE WASN'T AROUND, AND I HAD MOVED ON. 48 00:03:25,517 --> 00:03:29,027 AND I WAS FINE WITH THAT. 49 00:03:29,034 --> 00:03:32,664 SHE WAS IN HER WORLD, I WAS IN MINE. 50 00:03:32,655 --> 00:03:34,755 WE DIDN'T HAVE MUCH OVERLAP, 51 00:03:34,758 --> 00:03:40,408 AND I DIDN'T SPEND A LOT OF TIME BEING EMOTIONAL ABOUT IT. 52 00:03:53,172 --> 00:03:55,382 THIS IS A MESSAGE FOR LARRY SCHLEGEL. 53 00:03:55,379 --> 00:03:56,829 I'M CALLING FROM GLENDALE HOSPITAL 54 00:03:56,827 --> 00:03:58,657 ABOUT YOUR MOTHER, ELEANORA. 55 00:03:58,655 --> 00:04:02,065 SHE PASSED AWAY EARLY THIS MORNING. 56 00:04:02,068 --> 00:04:05,828 SHE DIED THE DAY BEFORE WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN 57 00:04:05,827 --> 00:04:07,927 ONE OF THEIR WEDDING ANNIVERSARIES. 58 00:04:10,517 --> 00:04:13,517 THE ONLY DETAILS I EVER GOT OUT OF THE HOSPITAL 59 00:04:13,517 --> 00:04:17,137 WAS THEY HAD CHECKED ON HER DURING THE NIGHT 60 00:04:17,137 --> 00:04:21,547 AND WHEN THEY WENT IN FOR MORNING ROUNDS AT 7:00 A.M., 61 00:04:21,551 --> 00:04:23,901 SHE WAS DEAD. 62 00:04:25,793 --> 00:04:28,073 NOW THEY'RE BOTH GONE. 63 00:04:28,068 --> 00:04:30,168 AND FOR ME, 64 00:04:30,172 --> 00:04:35,142 THERE WAS A REAL SENSE OF BEING ALONE. 65 00:04:35,137 --> 00:04:38,477 AND THAT KIND OF HAUNTED ME FOR A WHILE. 66 00:04:49,344 --> 00:04:51,764 IN 1998, I WAS THE SERGEANT IN CHARGE 67 00:04:51,758 --> 00:04:53,408 OF THE ROBBERY-HOMICIDE DIVISION 68 00:04:53,413 --> 00:04:55,343 FOR THE GLENDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT. 69 00:05:00,586 --> 00:05:02,336 I HAD SEEN EVERYTHING. 70 00:05:02,344 --> 00:05:04,904 YOU KNOW, I'D SEEN MULTIPLE MURDER VICTIMS, 71 00:05:04,896 --> 00:05:07,616 MULTIPLE HOMICIDES, GANG SHOOTINGS. 72 00:05:07,620 --> 00:05:11,140 I REMEMBER THAT THE ONE TRUE GOAL IS IT WOULD BE NICE 73 00:05:11,137 --> 00:05:13,137 TO GET THE EXPERIENCE TO WORK A SERIAL KILLER, 74 00:05:13,137 --> 00:05:16,477 BUT I WOULD SAY A VERY SMALL FRACTION 75 00:05:16,482 --> 00:05:18,692 OF DETECTIVES GET THAT OPPORTUNITY. 76 00:05:24,689 --> 00:05:26,139 HEY, CHIEF. YOU WANTED TO SEE ME? 77 00:05:26,137 --> 00:05:28,337 McKILLOP, COME IN. 78 00:05:28,344 --> 00:05:29,664 WHEN I GOT INTO THE CHIEF'S OFFICE, 79 00:05:29,655 --> 00:05:31,375 THERE WAS HOSPITAL ADMINISTRATORS 80 00:05:31,379 --> 00:05:34,549 FROM GLENDALE ADVENTIST MEDICAL CENTER. 81 00:05:34,551 --> 00:05:35,901 AS I WAS SAYING... 82 00:05:35,896 --> 00:05:39,376 THEY SAID THAT THEY RECEIVED A PHONE CALL 83 00:05:39,379 --> 00:05:42,999 FROM AN ANONYMOUS CALLER WHO, 84 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,520 IN ESSENCE, WAS TRYING TO TELL THEM 85 00:05:45,517 --> 00:05:47,657 THAT SOMEBODY WAS KILLING PATIENTS IN THE HOSPITAL. 86 00:05:49,586 --> 00:05:51,716 BUT AS IT EVOLVED, 87 00:05:51,724 --> 00:05:54,724 THE CALLER WAS ASKING FOR MONEY FOR INFORMATION. 88 00:05:56,758 --> 00:05:58,138 ANYBODY CALLING SAYING, 89 00:05:58,137 --> 00:06:00,337 "I'M GONNA TELL YOU WHO'S KILLING PEOPLE, 90 00:06:00,344 --> 00:06:02,834 "BUT YOU'RE GONNA GIVE ME $50,000"... 91 00:06:02,827 --> 00:06:05,067 YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT CAUTIOUSLY. 92 00:06:11,517 --> 00:06:13,927 I REALLY DIDN'T KNOW WHERE ELSE TO GO 93 00:06:13,931 --> 00:06:16,551 SO I BROUGHT IT TO YOU GUYS. 94 00:06:16,551 --> 00:06:19,861 THERE WAS VERY LITTLE SPECIFIC INFORMATION, 95 00:06:19,862 --> 00:06:23,312 AND SINCE THE HOSPITAL COULD NOT FIND ANYTHING UNUSUAL... 96 00:06:23,310 --> 00:06:26,000 THERE WAS NO SUSPICIOUS DEATHS... 97 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,590 THEY BROUGHT IT TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. 98 00:06:28,586 --> 00:06:31,686 SOMETIMES YOU GET SOME OF THESE TIPS OR CALLS, 99 00:06:31,689 --> 00:06:34,449 AND 99% OF THE TIME, THEY TURN OUT TO BE NOTHING, 100 00:06:34,448 --> 00:06:37,788 SO THERE WAS A SENSE OF WE JUST HAVE TO CHECK THE BOX, 101 00:06:37,793 --> 00:06:39,483 GO THROUGH THE MOTIONS. 102 00:06:45,103 --> 00:06:47,833 PEOPLE DIE IN HOSPITALS, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY DO. 103 00:06:47,827 --> 00:06:49,307 PEOPLE GO TO HOSPITALS WHEN THEY'RE SICK 104 00:06:49,310 --> 00:06:51,480 AND WHEN THEY'RE OLD, AND THEY DIE. 105 00:06:51,482 --> 00:06:55,902 SO, YOU KNOW, I JUST... I HAD A WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS 106 00:06:55,896 --> 00:06:59,716 GOING THROUGH MY HEAD, AND ONE OF THEM IS, 107 00:06:59,724 --> 00:07:01,834 "WHAT AM I GONNA DO WITH THIS INFORMATION?" 108 00:07:06,655 --> 00:07:10,475 IN 1998, I WAS WORKING FOR THE GLENDALE POLICE DEPARTMENT. 109 00:07:10,482 --> 00:07:12,282 IN CALIFORNIA. 110 00:07:12,275 --> 00:07:15,235 BEEN INVESTIGATING FOR ABOUT 14 YEARS, SO... 111 00:07:15,241 --> 00:07:17,901 YOU'RE NEVER REALLY A SEASONED INVESTIGATOR. 112 00:07:17,896 --> 00:07:19,376 IT'S ALWAYS SOMETHING NEW ON THE JOB, 113 00:07:19,379 --> 00:07:23,519 BUT I HAD BEEN INVOLVED IN INVESTIGATING SERIOUS CRIMES 114 00:07:23,517 --> 00:07:25,587 FOR QUITE A LONG TIME. 115 00:07:34,103 --> 00:07:36,483 I SAT DOWN AND SPOKE WITH JOHN, 116 00:07:36,482 --> 00:07:40,482 AND HE HAD VERY LIMITED INFORMATION 117 00:07:40,482 --> 00:07:42,002 BECAUSE EVERYBODY HAD LIMITED INFORMATION. 118 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:43,240 IN FACT, HE HAD NO INFORMATION... 119 00:07:43,241 --> 00:07:46,831 JUST THAT SOME GUY WANTS MONEY FOR INFORMATION 120 00:07:46,827 --> 00:07:51,137 AND HE SAYS SOMEONE HELPED A PATIENT DIE FAST OR... 121 00:07:51,137 --> 00:07:55,617 IT WAS SOMETHING VERY, VERY NONSPECIFIC. 122 00:07:55,620 --> 00:07:58,310 IT'S NOTHING TO REALLY GO ON. 123 00:07:58,310 --> 00:08:01,970 WE'RE HEARING ABOUT A CRIME THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE OCCURRED, 124 00:08:01,965 --> 00:08:04,065 SOMEONE WHO MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE DONE IT. 125 00:08:04,068 --> 00:08:05,308 WE DON'T KNOW WHO, WE DON'T KNOW WHERE, 126 00:08:05,310 --> 00:08:08,140 BUT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING BAD MAY HAVE HAPPENED. 127 00:08:19,862 --> 00:08:21,932 DID YOU LOOK INTO WHAT WE WERE TAKING ABOUT? 128 00:08:21,931 --> 00:08:23,341 I DID LOOK INTO IT. 129 00:08:23,344 --> 00:08:25,244 HOSPITAL ADMINISTRATORS TOLD US THAT 130 00:08:25,241 --> 00:08:28,101 THERE HAD BEEN AN INCIDENT APPROXIMATELY A YEAR BEFORE 131 00:08:28,103 --> 00:08:30,313 WHERE ONE OF THE WORKERS, 132 00:08:30,310 --> 00:08:34,690 BOB BAKER, HAD TOLD THE MANAGER OF HIS DEPARTMENT 133 00:08:34,689 --> 00:08:36,859 THAT ANOTHER HOSPITAL WORKER, YOU KNOW, IS 134 00:08:36,862 --> 00:08:38,722 BASICALLY KILLING PATIENTS. 135 00:08:38,724 --> 00:08:41,764 AND HE SAID HE LOOKED INTO IT, AND THERE WAS NOTHING THERE... 136 00:08:41,758 --> 00:08:46,028 DIDN'T FIND ANY... ANYTHING TO BACK UP WHAT BOB WAS SAYING. 137 00:08:46,034 --> 00:08:47,554 I'M SORRY. 138 00:08:50,482 --> 00:08:54,102 WE KNEW IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT TO TALK TO BOB BAKER. 139 00:08:59,965 --> 00:09:03,375 WE MET HIM IN A DARK PARKING LOT. 140 00:09:03,379 --> 00:09:05,519 IT WAS ON THE HOSPITAL GROUNDS, BUT IT WAS AN AREA 141 00:09:05,517 --> 00:09:09,407 WHERE NOBODY WOULD SEE THE CONVERSATION GOING ON. 142 00:09:09,413 --> 00:09:12,933 WE HEARD YOU HAVE SOME INFORMATION. 143 00:09:12,931 --> 00:09:15,241 BOB WAS NOTICEABLY NERVOUS. 144 00:09:15,241 --> 00:09:16,281 I CAN'T PROVE IT. 145 00:09:16,275 --> 00:09:18,785 I DON'T KNOW HOW TO PROVE IT. 146 00:09:18,793 --> 00:09:20,723 EVERY TIME HE TOOK A DRAG OF HIS CIGARETTE, 147 00:09:20,724 --> 00:09:26,344 HE WAS LOOKING AROUND TO SEE IF... IF ANYBODY WAS WATCHING. 148 00:09:26,344 --> 00:09:31,524 WE WONDERED WHY... THIS GUY'S ACTING REALLY STRANGE. 149 00:09:31,517 --> 00:09:37,897 I THINK BOB REALIZED THAT THERE WAS NO GOING BACK AFTER THIS. 150 00:09:37,896 --> 00:09:39,166 IT COULD AFFECT HIS JOB, 151 00:09:39,172 --> 00:09:40,662 IT COULD AFFECT OTHER PEOPLE'S JOBS, 152 00:09:40,655 --> 00:09:44,515 AND THE RAMIFICATIONS WERE MASSIVE. 153 00:09:50,413 --> 00:09:52,003 EFREN SALDIVAR. 154 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:53,790 EFREN SALDIVAR. 155 00:09:53,793 --> 00:09:55,103 IT WAS DURING THIS MEETING. 156 00:09:55,103 --> 00:09:58,523 THAT HE HAD BROUGHT SOME INFORMATION FORWARD 157 00:09:58,517 --> 00:10:02,337 REGARDING HIS SUSPICION OF EFREN SALDIVAR. 158 00:10:02,344 --> 00:10:06,524 HE TOLD US ABOUT THE PATIENT WHO WAS DOING BETTER... 159 00:10:06,517 --> 00:10:09,207 THAT HE DIDN'T THINK SHE SHOULD HAVE DIED... 160 00:10:09,206 --> 00:10:11,896 AND THAT SHE'D BEEN TAKEN OFF A RESPIRATOR AND... 161 00:10:11,896 --> 00:10:15,276 'CAUSE SHE WAS... YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, SHE WAS DOING BETTER. 162 00:10:15,275 --> 00:10:21,685 AND HE FOUND OUT THAT SHORTLY AFTER EFREN SAW HER, SHE DIED. 163 00:10:21,689 --> 00:10:24,239 YOU GOT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS GUY. 164 00:10:24,241 --> 00:10:27,761 ALL WE HAVE AT THIS POINT IS SOMEONE'S OPINION. 165 00:10:27,758 --> 00:10:30,338 WE HAVE NO... NO HARD EVIDENCE. 166 00:10:30,344 --> 00:10:33,694 WE HAVE WHAT SOMEBODY THINKS. 167 00:10:33,689 --> 00:10:36,689 WE WERE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE WERE DEALING WITH. 168 00:10:48,310 --> 00:10:52,000 FROM WHAT I WAS TOLD, MY DAD DIED INSTANTLY... 169 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,660 A HEART ATTACK... AND HE WAS PROBABLY A GONER 170 00:10:54,655 --> 00:10:57,205 BEFORE HE HIT THE GROUND. 171 00:10:57,206 --> 00:11:05,546 AND THE THING THAT I REMEMBER VIVIDLY IS HE WAS EATING A PEACH 172 00:11:05,551 --> 00:11:07,311 AND JUST COLLAPSED... 173 00:11:07,310 --> 00:11:12,550 NOT A SOUND, JUST CRUMPLED TO THE GROUND. 174 00:11:12,551 --> 00:11:17,311 AS A KID, HE WAS REALLY MY BEST FRIEND. 175 00:11:17,310 --> 00:11:20,720 AND I THINK ABOUT THIS EVERY TIME I EAT A PEACH. 176 00:11:31,344 --> 00:11:34,904 MY MOTHER HAD A GREAT LIFE 177 00:11:34,896 --> 00:11:39,336 UNTIL IT WAS SNATCHED AWAY FROM HER WHEN MY FATHER DIED. 178 00:11:39,344 --> 00:11:42,314 AND SHE WENT TO PIECES. 179 00:11:42,310 --> 00:11:44,930 THERE WOULD BE PERIODS OF TIME 180 00:11:44,931 --> 00:11:49,381 WHERE I WOULDN'T SEE HER FOR A DAY OR TWO OR A WEEK. 181 00:11:49,379 --> 00:11:55,519 MOST OF THE TIME WHEN SHE WOULD DISAPPEAR, SHE WAS OUT DRINKING. 182 00:11:55,517 --> 00:11:59,927 IT WENT ON FOR SO LONG THAT I... COULDN'T BE ANGRY WITH HER, 183 00:11:59,931 --> 00:12:02,171 OR I'D BE ANGRY ALL THE TIME. 184 00:12:16,034 --> 00:12:19,524 SHE WANTED TO SEE HER GRANDCHILD, 185 00:12:19,517 --> 00:12:25,167 AND, SORT OF, THAT'S HOW WE RECONNECTED. 186 00:12:25,172 --> 00:12:29,522 SHE HAD PRETTY WELL STOPPED DRINKING, 187 00:12:29,517 --> 00:12:32,307 AND SHE WAS CERTAINLY IN BETTER SHAPE 188 00:12:32,310 --> 00:12:36,070 THAN I HAD SEEN HER IN A LONG TIME. 189 00:12:36,068 --> 00:12:39,618 FOR ME, IT WAS NICE. 190 00:12:39,620 --> 00:12:42,310 SHE GOT TO MEET HER GRANDCHILD. 191 00:12:44,482 --> 00:12:50,142 AND WE WERE MAKING INROADS TO BEING A FAMILY AGAIN. 192 00:12:58,517 --> 00:12:59,687 WOW. YOU LOOK GREAT! THANKS. THANK YOU. 193 00:12:59,689 --> 00:13:00,969 YOU LOOK GOOD. HOW DO YOU FEEL? 194 00:13:00,965 --> 00:13:02,545 ON NEW YEAR'S EVE, 195 00:13:02,551 --> 00:13:04,931 MY SON AND I WENT TO SEE HER, 196 00:13:04,931 --> 00:13:10,031 AND WE TALKED WITH HER FOR A GOOD HOUR 197 00:13:10,034 --> 00:13:14,524 ABOUT ALL THE THINGS THAT HAD HAPPENED DURING THE YEAR. 198 00:13:14,517 --> 00:13:17,827 IT WAS ALL VERY PLEASANT AND UPBEAT. 199 00:13:17,827 --> 00:13:21,447 SHE WAS SITTING UP IN BED, BREATHING ON HER OWN. 200 00:13:21,448 --> 00:13:24,338 SHE CERTAINLY DIDN'T HAVE ANY TROUBLE TALKING, 201 00:13:24,344 --> 00:13:26,904 BUT THE DOCTORS FIGURED "WELL, WE'LL KEEP HER HERE 202 00:13:26,896 --> 00:13:30,096 FOR A COUPLE MORE DAYS, LET HER GET STRONGER." 203 00:13:32,310 --> 00:13:34,760 WE SAID OUR GOODBYES. 204 00:13:34,758 --> 00:13:37,448 I THINK THE LAST THING SHE SAID WAS, 205 00:13:37,448 --> 00:13:39,658 "WELL, MAYBE NEXT YEAR WILL BE BETTER." 206 00:13:41,724 --> 00:13:43,414 "BYE." 207 00:14:01,965 --> 00:14:04,405 WE'D HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS AT THE HOSPITAL... 208 00:14:04,413 --> 00:14:06,313 MEETINGS WITH THE ADMINISTRATORS, 209 00:14:06,310 --> 00:14:08,860 THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE, WITH THE ATTORNEYS. 210 00:14:08,862 --> 00:14:12,172 WE HAD TALKED TO EVERYBODY THAT WE COULD. 211 00:14:12,172 --> 00:14:14,902 I DID HAVE ONE DOCTOR TELL ME THAT THERE WAS NOTHING THERE, 212 00:14:14,896 --> 00:14:16,616 THAT... BASICALLY, HE WAS TELLING ME 213 00:14:16,620 --> 00:14:18,620 IN A POLITE WAY THAT I WAS WASTING HIS TIME. 214 00:14:18,620 --> 00:14:20,140 THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.NO PROBLEM. 215 00:14:20,137 --> 00:14:22,307 BASED ON WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM EVERYBODY INVOLVED, 216 00:14:22,310 --> 00:14:25,720 WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING. 217 00:14:25,724 --> 00:14:27,174 PEOPLE DIE IN THE HOSPITAL ALL THE TIME, 218 00:14:27,172 --> 00:14:29,002 AND THERE WERE DEATHS ON EVERYBODY'S SHIFTS, 219 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:32,790 BUT NO MORE OR NO LESS ON EFREN'S SHIFTS. 220 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,860 YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CRIME 221 00:14:37,862 --> 00:14:40,662 AND PROVE THAT THE PERSON COMMITTED THE CRIME. 222 00:14:40,655 --> 00:14:42,375 YOU HAVE TO HAVE BOTH. 223 00:14:42,379 --> 00:14:45,099 THERE WAS PROOF OF NOTHING. 224 00:14:45,103 --> 00:14:49,693 THERE WAS NOBODY WHO COULD SHED ANY FURTHER LIGHT. 225 00:14:49,689 --> 00:14:51,969 WE NOW HAD TO CALL EFREN IN AND TALK TO HIM. 226 00:15:00,379 --> 00:15:02,719 GENERALLY, WHEN SOMEBODY COMES IN, 227 00:15:02,724 --> 00:15:05,864 YOU'D HAVE SOMETHING YOU COULD CONFRONT THE PERSON WITH... 228 00:15:05,862 --> 00:15:08,412 A FINGERPRINT... OR YOU WOULD HAVE A COUPLE OF WITNESSES 229 00:15:08,413 --> 00:15:10,343 WHO SAW HIM COMMIT THE CRIME. 230 00:15:10,344 --> 00:15:11,974 WE HAVE NOTHING TO CONFRONT HIM WITH 231 00:15:11,965 --> 00:15:13,615 OR NOTHING OF SUBSTANCE AT ALL. 232 00:15:13,620 --> 00:15:15,590 EFREN... 233 00:15:15,586 --> 00:15:17,096 SO I PUT MY CARDS ON THE TABLE IN FRONT OF HIM. 234 00:15:17,103 --> 00:15:18,453 I SAID, "YOU KNOW WHAT?" 235 00:15:18,448 --> 00:15:20,378 WE'RE HEARING SOME ALLEGATIONS AND SOME CONCERNS, 236 00:15:20,379 --> 00:15:24,619 AND PEOPLE ARE SAYING THIS IS GOING ON AT THE HOSPITAL. 237 00:15:24,620 --> 00:15:27,520 ARE YOU... WILLING TO TAKE A POLYGRAPH 238 00:15:27,517 --> 00:15:30,897 "SO THAT WE CAN GET TO THE BOTTOM OF IT?" 239 00:15:33,896 --> 00:15:36,616 I DON'T THINK THAT'LL BE A GOOD IDEA. 240 00:15:40,862 --> 00:15:42,762 HIS ANSWER WAS, UH, 241 00:15:42,758 --> 00:15:45,068 THAT HE PROBABLY WOULDN'T PASS THE POLYGRAPH, 242 00:15:45,068 --> 00:15:47,898 AND I KNEW THEN AND THERE THAT 243 00:15:47,896 --> 00:15:50,856 IT WAS GONNA BE A LONG NIGHT. 244 00:15:50,862 --> 00:15:53,722 WHY WOULDN'T YOU PASS? 245 00:15:53,724 --> 00:15:56,244 HE TOLD ME THAT AFTER SIX MONTHS ON THE JOB, 246 00:15:56,241 --> 00:15:58,381 HE HAD BASICALLY SUFFOCATED A PATIENT. 247 00:16:03,620 --> 00:16:06,720 A PATIENT HAD BEEN PRONOUNCED DEAD, 248 00:16:06,724 --> 00:16:10,834 AND THEY'D TAKEN THE PATIENT OFF LIFE SUPPORT, 249 00:16:10,827 --> 00:16:13,687 AND HE WENT IN AND HE NOTICED THE PATIENT WAS STILL BREATHING. 250 00:16:13,689 --> 00:16:15,929 SO, TO USE HIS TERMINOLOGY, 251 00:16:15,931 --> 00:16:18,761 HE SAID HE BASICALLY SUFFOCATED THE PATIENT. 252 00:16:18,758 --> 00:16:22,518 WHEN YOU SAY "SUFFOCATE," WHAT... WHAT DO YOU MEAN? 253 00:16:22,517 --> 00:16:25,787 IT WAS ALMOST LIKE HE WAS DESCRIBING A EUTHANASIA 254 00:16:25,793 --> 00:16:28,453 MORE THAN A... THAN A KILLING. 255 00:16:33,620 --> 00:16:36,830 PAVULON? YES. 256 00:16:36,827 --> 00:16:39,927 IT SHUTS THE PATIENT'S BODY DOWN. 257 00:16:39,931 --> 00:16:42,551 IT'S BASICALLY A PARALYZING DRUG. 258 00:16:42,551 --> 00:16:43,931 THIS WAS ALL NEW TO ME. 259 00:16:43,931 --> 00:16:47,241 I-I KNEW NOTHING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT. 260 00:16:47,241 --> 00:16:50,281 I WAS MORE INTERESTED IN TRYING TO FIND A NAME, 261 00:16:50,275 --> 00:16:52,375 A TIME, A DATE... ANYTHING. 262 00:16:52,379 --> 00:16:53,719 I DON'T... I DON'T... I DON'T REMEMBER. 263 00:16:53,724 --> 00:16:55,104 I DON'T KNOW. 264 00:16:55,103 --> 00:16:56,663 AND HE'S NOT BEING SPECIFIC AT ALL. 265 00:16:56,655 --> 00:16:59,685 HE'S JUST SAYING, "YES I-I-I DID IT, 266 00:16:59,689 --> 00:17:04,069 BUT I CAN'T TELL YOU WHEN AND WHERE." 267 00:17:08,620 --> 00:17:11,970 HOW MANY OTHER PATIENTS DO YOU THINK YOU'VE... 268 00:17:11,965 --> 00:17:13,475 LET GO? 269 00:17:13,482 --> 00:17:15,452 HE WAS BEING EVASIVE. 270 00:17:15,448 --> 00:17:19,338 WHEN WE WANTED TO KNOW "WELL, HOW MANY OVER YOUR CAREER?" 271 00:17:19,344 --> 00:17:23,794 AND HE SAID HE STOPPED COUNTING AT 50 OR 60. 272 00:17:33,103 --> 00:17:34,663 "LET ME ASK YOU THIS." 273 00:17:34,655 --> 00:17:37,025 SO, FOR NINE YEARS... THINK ABOUT IT. 274 00:17:37,034 --> 00:17:39,484 WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LONG PERIOD OF TIME... 275 00:17:39,482 --> 00:17:43,932 COULD THAT BE MORE THAN 100 PATIENTS, EFREN? 276 00:17:43,931 --> 00:17:45,691 I BELIEVE SO. 277 00:17:45,689 --> 00:17:47,379 "ANYWHERE FROM 100 TO 200." 278 00:17:51,482 --> 00:17:53,972 HE'S USING NUMBERS THAT, IF THEY ARE TRUE, 279 00:17:53,965 --> 00:17:58,135 HE'S GONNA BE AMONGST THE HIGHEST RATE OF VICTIMS 280 00:17:58,137 --> 00:18:01,337 FOR A SERIAL KILLER IN THE COUNTRY. 281 00:18:01,344 --> 00:18:06,284 IT GOT TO THE POINT WHERE WE NEED TO READ THIS GUY HIS RIGHTS 282 00:18:06,275 --> 00:18:09,135 BECAUSE THIS IS GETTING INTO A WHOLE OTHER TERRITORY HERE. 283 00:18:20,482 --> 00:18:24,622 I HAD AN URGENT CALL THAT NIGHT. 284 00:18:24,620 --> 00:18:27,310 AND THAT'S WHEN WILL CURRIE TOLD ME, 285 00:18:27,310 --> 00:18:28,760 "YOU BETTER GET IN HERE. 286 00:18:28,758 --> 00:18:32,208 THIS... THIS GUY'S CONFESSING TO KILLING PEOPLE." 287 00:18:32,206 --> 00:18:36,476 WHEN I ARRIVED AT THE STATION, THE QUESTIONING WAS COMPLETE, 288 00:18:36,482 --> 00:18:39,932 BUT EFREN SALDIVAR WAS BOOKED FOR MURDER, AND THAT GIVES US... 289 00:18:39,931 --> 00:18:41,481 AT THAT POINT, ONCE YOU BOOK SOMEBODY, 290 00:18:41,482 --> 00:18:45,172 NOW YOU HAVE 48 HOURS TO FIGURE OUT HOW YOU'RE GONNA PROVE IT. 291 00:18:45,172 --> 00:18:46,552 WE CANNOT LET THIS GUY GET AWAY. 292 00:18:46,551 --> 00:18:48,761 IT'S TOO BIG OF A RISK. 293 00:18:48,758 --> 00:18:51,548 THE LAWS ARE DESIGNED TO PROTECT PEOPLE 294 00:18:51,551 --> 00:18:53,211 FROM MAKING FALSE CONFESSIONS. 295 00:18:53,206 --> 00:18:56,376 YOU HAVE TO PROVE, NUMBER ONE, THERE WAS A CRIME COMMITTED, 296 00:18:56,379 --> 00:18:59,659 AND NUMBER TWO, THATPERSON COMMITTED THE CRIME 297 00:18:59,655 --> 00:19:01,275 AND CONFESSED TO IT. 298 00:19:01,275 --> 00:19:03,785 I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT EFREN SALDIVAR. 299 00:19:03,793 --> 00:19:07,003 WE HAD A CONFESSION, BUT WE HAD NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE, 300 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,170 WE HAD NO MURDER VICTIM, 301 00:19:09,172 --> 00:19:11,412 AND WE HAD NOTHING TO CORROBORATE HIS STATEMENT. 302 00:19:11,413 --> 00:19:14,003 WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. 303 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,830 MY CONCERN BECAME MORE AND MORE ABOUT, 304 00:19:16,827 --> 00:19:18,927 WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO RELEASE THIS PERSON. 305 00:19:18,931 --> 00:19:22,101 I-IT WAS JUST... THE WHOLE THING WAS A MESS AT THAT POINT. 306 00:19:33,655 --> 00:19:36,965 I DON'T THINK ANY OF US REALLY SLEPT FOR 48 HOURS. 307 00:19:36,965 --> 00:19:40,135 I JUST REMEMBER WORKING VIRTUALLY AROUND THE CLOCK 308 00:19:40,137 --> 00:19:41,827 WITH, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE SLEEP IN BETWEEN, 309 00:19:41,827 --> 00:19:43,717 TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT. 310 00:19:43,724 --> 00:19:45,344 THE CHIEF, THE CAPTAIN WERE SAYING, 311 00:19:45,344 --> 00:19:46,414 "THERE'S JUST NO WAY. 312 00:19:46,413 --> 00:19:47,763 HOW CAN WE RELEASE THIS GUY? 313 00:19:47,758 --> 00:19:49,068 WHAT IF THIS GUY GETS ON A PLANE 314 00:19:49,068 --> 00:19:51,548 AND GOES TO MEXICO OR ANOTHER COUNTRY?" 315 00:19:51,551 --> 00:19:55,411 CINDY, CAN YOU GET ME BOB DeWALT AT THE D.A.'S OFFICE? 316 00:19:55,413 --> 00:19:56,833 THE D.A. BASICALLY SAID, 317 00:19:56,827 --> 00:19:58,827 "WELL, THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO STOP HIM." 318 00:19:58,827 --> 00:20:00,237 YOU'RE SIGNING UP FOR POLICE WORK, 319 00:20:00,241 --> 00:20:02,971 YOU NEVER WANT TO TAKE HANDCUFFS OFF SOMEBODY 320 00:20:02,965 --> 00:20:05,825 THAT YOU THINK DID SOMETHING WRONG AND LET THEM GO. 321 00:20:05,827 --> 00:20:08,477 THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT YOU NEVER WANT TO DO, 322 00:20:08,482 --> 00:20:10,172 BUT IT HAPPENS. 323 00:20:19,344 --> 00:20:21,834 THERE'S NO OTHER WAY TO DETERMINE WRONGDOING 324 00:20:21,827 --> 00:20:24,027 OTHER THAN INTERVIEWING WITNESSES, 325 00:20:24,034 --> 00:20:25,794 TRY TO GET SOME CORROBORATING INFORMATION 326 00:20:25,793 --> 00:20:27,243 BECAUSE THE HOSPITAL ALREADY SAID THAT 327 00:20:27,241 --> 00:20:32,101 THERE WAS NO SUSPICIOUS DEATHS, SO WE HAVE NOTHING. 328 00:20:32,103 --> 00:20:34,903 EFREN SALDIVAR WAS FREE TO GO. 329 00:20:34,896 --> 00:20:37,756 WE HAD TO RELEASE HIM. 330 00:20:37,758 --> 00:20:40,338 SO, AT THAT POINT, I'M TASKED WITH "OKAY, 331 00:20:40,344 --> 00:20:43,004 WHAT DO WE DO FROM HERE?" 332 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,450 AND THEN, I JUST REALIZE WE HAD TO, 333 00:20:45,448 --> 00:20:47,828 YOU KNOW, CIRCLE THE WAGONS AND FIGURE IT OUT. 334 00:20:57,482 --> 00:21:02,862 THE DECISION WAS MADE TO SURVEIL SALDIVAR. 335 00:21:02,862 --> 00:21:05,592 I SENT A SURVEILLANCE TEAM TO START ON HIS RESIDENCE... 336 00:21:05,586 --> 00:21:08,716 WHERE HE WAS LIVING AT THE TIME. 337 00:21:08,724 --> 00:21:13,074 AND HE WAS JUST OUT AND ABOUT. 338 00:21:13,068 --> 00:21:16,068 HE NEVER REALLY DID ANYTHING TO SPEAK OF... 339 00:21:16,068 --> 00:21:18,688 JUST EXISTED. 340 00:21:31,517 --> 00:21:35,167 IT WAS A LARGE RESIDENCE SURROUNDED BY TREES, 341 00:21:35,172 --> 00:21:38,792 AND IT'S A VERY WOODED AREA... VERY SECLUDED. 342 00:21:38,793 --> 00:21:40,723 AND I SAID, "THIS IS GONNA BE OUR HOME 343 00:21:40,724 --> 00:21:43,284 UNTIL WE'RE DONE WITH THIS." 344 00:21:43,275 --> 00:21:47,275 WE SET IT UP TO BASICALLY OPERATE IN THIS SILO. 345 00:21:47,275 --> 00:21:50,545 WE COULD NOT TELL PEOPLE WHAT WE'RE DOING. 346 00:21:50,551 --> 00:21:51,831 WHEN YOU'RE OUT TRYING TO GET INFORMATION, 347 00:21:51,827 --> 00:21:53,097 YOU HAD TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT 348 00:21:53,103 --> 00:21:57,173 WHAT YOU WERE COLLECTING INFORMATION ON. 349 00:21:57,172 --> 00:21:59,622 IT WAS DECIDED EARLY ON THAT, YOU KNOW, 350 00:21:59,620 --> 00:22:02,970 WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING BECAUSE THE WORD'S GONNA GET OUT 351 00:22:02,965 --> 00:22:06,405 THAT THE PERSON WAS ARRESTED AND RELEASED. 352 00:22:06,413 --> 00:22:11,143 WE HAD A SUSPECT THAT WAS FREE, SO ANY LEAK OF THIS 353 00:22:11,137 --> 00:22:13,687 CAUSING HIM TO GET ON A PLANE AND DISAPPEAR 354 00:22:13,689 --> 00:22:15,589 WOULD BE OUR FAULT. 355 00:22:20,034 --> 00:22:22,524 IN A NORMAL CASE, THE LAST THING YOU DO 356 00:22:22,517 --> 00:22:24,857 IS YOU INTERROGATE THE SUSPECT, 357 00:22:24,862 --> 00:22:26,592 WHERE, IN THIS CASE, 358 00:22:26,586 --> 00:22:28,546 WE STARTEDWITH THE INTERROGATION OF THE SUSPECT 359 00:22:28,551 --> 00:22:30,311 AND EVERYTHING IS BACKWARDS. 360 00:22:30,310 --> 00:22:32,340 IT'S COMPLETELY IN REVERSE. 361 00:22:32,344 --> 00:22:34,834 NOW WE HAVE GOT TO TRY TO FIND A CRIME SCENE, 362 00:22:34,827 --> 00:22:37,277 TRY TO FIND A BODY, TRY TO FIND A VICTIM. 363 00:22:40,931 --> 00:22:44,381 IN EFREN SALDIVAR'S CONFESSION, HE TOLD WILL CURRIE 364 00:22:44,379 --> 00:22:48,099 THE DRUGS THAT HE USED TO KILL PEOPLE. 365 00:22:48,103 --> 00:22:51,383 AND HE IDENTIFIED THEM AS PAVULON. 366 00:22:51,379 --> 00:22:54,659 PAVULON IS A PARALYZING AGENT. 367 00:22:54,655 --> 00:22:57,685 YOUR HEART'S STILL BEATING, YOUR EYES ARE STILL OPEN, 368 00:22:57,689 --> 00:22:59,379 YOU CAN STILL HEAR, YOU CAN SEE, 369 00:22:59,379 --> 00:23:02,719 BUT YOUR BREATHING FUNCTION SHUTS DOWN. 370 00:23:02,724 --> 00:23:05,174 YOU'RE PARALYZED. 371 00:23:05,172 --> 00:23:09,482 SO, NOW THE FOCUS IS ON FINDING THE DRUG PAVULON 372 00:23:09,482 --> 00:23:12,312 IN A PERSON THAT... 373 00:23:12,310 --> 00:23:14,450 THERE'S NO EXPLANATION FOR IT BEING THERE. 374 00:23:22,344 --> 00:23:23,724 WE WANTED TO GET TO THE TRUTH. 375 00:23:23,724 --> 00:23:27,384 WE WANTED TO FIND OUT IF THERE WERE PEOPLE OUT THERE 376 00:23:27,379 --> 00:23:29,479 WHO THOUGHT THEIR FAMILY, 377 00:23:29,482 --> 00:23:33,102 THEIR LOVED ONES, HAD DIED A NATURAL DEATH 378 00:23:33,103 --> 00:23:34,453 AT THE HOSPITAL WHEN THEY HADN'T, 379 00:23:34,448 --> 00:23:40,308 WHEN THEY ACTUALLY DIED A VERY PAINFUL DEATH 380 00:23:40,310 --> 00:23:42,380 AND NOT PEACEFUL BY ANY MEANS. 381 00:23:42,379 --> 00:23:44,069 THEY DIDN'T GO IN THEIR SLEEP. 382 00:23:44,068 --> 00:23:46,928 THEY WERE... YOU KNOW, THEY WERE CONSCIOUS 383 00:23:46,931 --> 00:23:50,001 AND SOMEBODY WALKED IN THERE AND, UH, KILLED THEM. 384 00:23:53,413 --> 00:23:55,383 SO, ONCE THE INVESTIGATION STARTED, 385 00:23:55,379 --> 00:23:57,719 WE WANTED TO TAKE A LOOK AT EVERY DEATH 386 00:23:57,724 --> 00:24:01,004 THAT HAD TAKEN PLACE IN THE HOSPITAL WHEN EFREN WAS ON DUTY. 387 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,900 THAT WAS OVER A THOUSAND... 388 00:24:03,896 --> 00:24:07,476 I BELIEVE IT WAS 1,050 CASES ROUGHLY. 389 00:24:07,482 --> 00:24:09,212 IF THERE WAS A CHANCE OF FINDING PAVULON, 390 00:24:09,206 --> 00:24:11,136 IT WOULD BE IN THE MORE RECENT ONES, 391 00:24:11,137 --> 00:24:13,927 SO WE FOCUSED ON HIS LAST TWO YEARS THERE. 392 00:24:13,931 --> 00:24:16,831 CREMATED. 393 00:24:16,827 --> 00:24:18,617 WE NARROWED IT DOWN TO 170 CASES, 394 00:24:18,620 --> 00:24:22,590 AND OF THOSE, 50 OF THEM, I BELIEVE, WERE CREMATED. 395 00:24:22,586 --> 00:24:25,926 WE DIDN'T WANT TO WASTE OUR TIME LOOKING AT ANY OF THOSE CASES 396 00:24:25,931 --> 00:24:27,691 BECAUSE WE NEEDED THE BODY. 397 00:24:27,689 --> 00:24:28,929 THANK YOU, DOCTOR. 398 00:24:28,931 --> 00:24:30,241 THEN WE'D CHECK WITH THE PERSONAL PHYSICIAN 399 00:24:30,241 --> 00:24:33,211 WHO WOULD HAVE SIGNED THE DEATH CERTIFICATE, 400 00:24:33,206 --> 00:24:35,756 WE VERIFY WITH HIM "YOU DIDN'T DO AN AUTOPSY, DID YOU?" 401 00:24:35,758 --> 00:24:40,588 AND WE EVENTUALLY NARROWED IT DOWN TO 20 CASES 402 00:24:40,586 --> 00:24:44,476 THAT WE FELT WOULD BE THE 20 STRONGEST. 403 00:24:44,482 --> 00:24:48,212 AND THE PLAN WAS TO HAVE THE MEDICAL EXAMINER 404 00:24:48,206 --> 00:24:49,856 AT THE CORONER'S OFFICE 405 00:24:49,862 --> 00:24:53,592 DO AN ACTUAL AUTOPSY ON THEM TO SEE IF WE COULD FIND PAVULON. 406 00:25:02,413 --> 00:25:05,103 MANAGERS AT GLENDALE ADVENTIST MEDICAL CENTER. 407 00:25:05,103 --> 00:25:07,793 ARE SHATTERED TO HEAR THAT A RESPIRATORY TECHNICIAN, 408 00:25:07,793 --> 00:25:10,143 27-YEAR-OLD EFREN SALDIVAR, 409 00:25:10,137 --> 00:25:14,547 MIGHT BE LINKED TO UP TO 50 ASSISTED PATIENT DEATHS. 410 00:25:14,551 --> 00:25:15,971 IT WAS INEVITABLE. 411 00:25:15,965 --> 00:25:17,855 EITHER SOMEONE FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT 412 00:25:17,862 --> 00:25:19,482 OR THE HOSPITAL WAS GONNA CALL THE PRESS, 413 00:25:19,482 --> 00:25:22,792 AND THAT'S OBVIOUSLY WHAT HAPPENED. 414 00:25:22,793 --> 00:25:25,933 WE HAVE NOT ARRESTED HIM. 415 00:25:25,931 --> 00:25:30,381 WE DID HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL DETAINED FOR 48 HOURS, 416 00:25:30,379 --> 00:25:33,619 AND WE DID RELEASE THAT INDIVIDUAL 417 00:25:33,620 --> 00:25:37,410 PENDING FURTHER INVESTIGATION. 418 00:25:37,413 --> 00:25:38,973 ABOUT A HALF HOUR LATER, I WALKED OUTSIDE, 419 00:25:38,965 --> 00:25:41,025 AND THERE WERE NEWS VANS EVERYWHERE. 420 00:25:43,172 --> 00:25:44,932 SO, I-I KNEW... I GO, 421 00:25:44,931 --> 00:25:48,071 "THIS IS... THE STORY HAS BROKE." 422 00:26:00,689 --> 00:26:02,379 WE DIDN'T WANT THE NEWS TO KNOW ABOUT IT 423 00:26:02,379 --> 00:26:04,479 'CAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT THE SECRECY 424 00:26:04,482 --> 00:26:05,932 OF THE INVESTIGATION, 425 00:26:05,931 --> 00:26:07,971 AND ONCE PEOPLE KNOW OF AN INVESTIGATION 426 00:26:07,965 --> 00:26:09,655 OR A TIP OR A LEAD, 427 00:26:09,655 --> 00:26:11,855 THERE'S ALWAYS THE RISK OF IT LEAKING OUT. 428 00:26:11,862 --> 00:26:12,902 BUT IT GOT OUT, 429 00:26:12,896 --> 00:26:15,166 AND EFREN SALDIVAR KNEW IT GOT OUT. 430 00:26:22,344 --> 00:26:26,664 EFREN SALDIVAR NOW WANTS THE WORLD TO BELIEVE HE'S INNOCENT. 431 00:26:26,655 --> 00:26:29,965 AND THAT HIS CONFESSED MURDER SPREE WAS A LIE. 432 00:26:29,965 --> 00:26:32,135 SO, YOU ARE TELLING US THAT... 433 00:26:32,137 --> 00:26:33,687 YOU LIED A FEW WEEKS AGO, 434 00:26:33,689 --> 00:26:35,859 AND YOU'RE NOW TELLING THE TRUTH? 435 00:26:35,862 --> 00:26:37,242 YEAH. 436 00:26:37,241 --> 00:26:39,451 I DON'T NEED TO PROVE THAT I'M INNOCENT. 437 00:26:39,448 --> 00:26:41,208 I'M STILL INNOCENT. 438 00:26:41,206 --> 00:26:44,206 THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO PROVE OTHERWISE. 439 00:26:44,206 --> 00:26:46,476 HISTORICALLY, THERE'S BEEN PEOPLE THAT COME IN AND CONFESS 440 00:26:46,482 --> 00:26:50,212 AND IT'S BEEN PROVEN THAT THERE WAS NO CRIME, 441 00:26:50,206 --> 00:26:52,896 SO YOU HAVE TO ALWAYS CONSIDER THE FALSE CONFESSION 442 00:26:52,896 --> 00:26:56,136 AS PART OF YOUR TRAINING IN EVALUATING CASES. 443 00:26:56,137 --> 00:26:59,617 EFREN SALDIVAR GOT ON A NATIONAL NEWS SHOW 444 00:26:59,620 --> 00:27:02,550 AND RECANTED HIS CONFESSION. 445 00:27:02,551 --> 00:27:04,661 NOW THE CONFESSION IS, REALLY, NOT GOOD 446 00:27:04,655 --> 00:27:06,095 BECAUSE HE'S NOW RECANTING, 447 00:27:06,103 --> 00:27:09,903 SO WAS HE LYING THEN OR IS HE LYING NOW? 448 00:27:09,896 --> 00:27:11,376 BUT EVERYBODY JUST KEPT THEIR HEAD DOWN 449 00:27:11,379 --> 00:27:14,309 AND JUST KEPT PUSHING FORWARD AND DOING WHAT THEY HAD TO DO. 450 00:27:25,551 --> 00:27:27,381 I'M RUNNING BACK AND FORTH, TRYING TO CATCH 451 00:27:27,379 --> 00:27:29,759 ALL MY KIDS' GAMES AND GET BACK TO WORK. 452 00:27:29,758 --> 00:27:31,998 AND I WOULD SLEEP IN THE OFFICE SOMETIMES. 453 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:37,210 AND THE TIME I SPENT ON THIS CASE TOTALLY CONSUMED ME. 454 00:27:37,206 --> 00:27:38,586 WE'RE NOT EVEN DOING 455 00:27:38,586 --> 00:27:40,136 CONVENTIONAL POLICE WORK ANYMORE. 456 00:27:40,137 --> 00:27:43,237 I MEAN, I WENT FROM CHASING CRIMINALS DOWN THE STREET 457 00:27:43,241 --> 00:27:44,901 AND KICKING DOWN DOORS 458 00:27:44,896 --> 00:27:47,166 AND SERVING SEARCH WARRANTS AND HIGH-RISK ENTRIES 459 00:27:47,172 --> 00:27:49,312 TO READING MEDICAL CHARTS 460 00:27:49,310 --> 00:27:52,170 AND, YOU KNOW, JUST GETTING PAPER CUTS. 461 00:27:54,379 --> 00:27:57,789 THERE WAS THE PRESSURE FROM FAMILIES OF, 462 00:27:57,793 --> 00:27:59,973 "WHEN IS THIS GONNA BE OVER?" 463 00:27:59,965 --> 00:28:02,545 I MEAN, EVERYBODY IS ALL-IN ON THIS... 464 00:28:02,551 --> 00:28:05,661 PERSONALLY, FINANCIALLY. 465 00:28:05,655 --> 00:28:09,475 ALL THE RESOURCES THAT WERE DEDICATED TO THIS... 466 00:28:09,482 --> 00:28:14,212 IT'S JUST... THIS WAS TRULY LIKE AN ALL-IN, DO-OR-DIE. 467 00:28:14,206 --> 00:28:16,206 I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE WHAT WILL HAPPEN 468 00:28:16,206 --> 00:28:19,136 IF THIS CASE DOES NOT GET RESOLVED. 469 00:28:28,689 --> 00:28:33,139 SOMETIME AFTER MY MOTHER DIED, 470 00:28:33,137 --> 00:28:39,207 I HAPPENED TO BE CATCHING THE 11:00 NEWS. 471 00:28:39,206 --> 00:28:42,236 GLENDALE POLICE CONTINUE TO INVESTIGATE POSSIBLE KILLINGS. 472 00:28:42,241 --> 00:28:43,791 AT A LOCAL HOSPITAL. 473 00:28:43,793 --> 00:28:46,343 THEY SAY VICTIMS MAY HAVE DIED SOMETIME DURING THE NIGHT 474 00:28:46,344 --> 00:28:48,034 OR EARLY-MORNING HOURS. 475 00:28:48,034 --> 00:28:52,454 THE THING THAT CAUGHT MY ATTENTION WAS, 476 00:28:52,448 --> 00:28:56,588 "IF YOU KNOW OF ANYONE WHO DIED AT GLENDALE ADVENTIST 477 00:28:56,586 --> 00:28:59,716 IN THIS TIME FRAME, CALL THIS NUMBER." 478 00:28:59,724 --> 00:29:01,864 ...IF YOU THINK YOU HAVE LOST A LOVED ONE 479 00:29:01,862 --> 00:29:03,212 UNDER QUESTIONABLE CIRCUMSTANCES. 480 00:29:03,206 --> 00:29:05,686 AND I THOUGHT, "HUH. 481 00:29:05,689 --> 00:29:08,309 SHE FIT THOSE CONDITIONS. HOW 'BOUT THAT?" 482 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,070 "WHAT A COINCIDENCE." 483 00:29:13,068 --> 00:29:15,308 BUT I NEVER GAVE IT ANOTHER THOUGHT. 484 00:29:28,344 --> 00:29:31,794 THEY CAME IN, WE SAT DOWN, 485 00:29:31,793 --> 00:29:37,003 AND ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THEY SAID IS, 486 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:41,620 "WE HAVE THIS COURT ORDER TO EXHUME HER BODY. 487 00:29:41,620 --> 00:29:43,830 WE WANTED TO TELL YOU. 488 00:29:43,827 --> 00:29:45,967 WE WANTED TO TELL YOU IN PERSON." 489 00:29:48,172 --> 00:29:52,592 BUT IN MY MIND, SHE STILL WASN'T A CANDIDATE. 490 00:30:00,586 --> 00:30:02,656 WE WOULD START EARLY IN THE MORNING. 491 00:30:04,655 --> 00:30:08,755 WE'D GET THERE 6:00 A.M... SOMETIMES BEFORE THAT. 492 00:30:08,758 --> 00:30:14,718 THE CRANE WOULD START DIGGING, CASKET WOULD BE REMOVED, 493 00:30:14,724 --> 00:30:17,764 AND THE CASKET WOULD GO TO THE CORONER'S OFFICE. 494 00:30:19,827 --> 00:30:22,207 WELL, WE'RE LOOKING FOR TISSUE TO HARVEST 495 00:30:22,206 --> 00:30:25,826 SO WE CAN TEST TO SEE IF WE CAN FIND PAVULON. 496 00:30:25,827 --> 00:30:27,687 THE CORONER WOULD CUT THE TISSUE SAMPLES, 497 00:30:27,689 --> 00:30:29,029 WE'D PUT THEM IN A JAR. 498 00:30:29,034 --> 00:30:30,384 AND IT WAS IN A SOLUTION 499 00:30:30,379 --> 00:30:33,969 THAT WOULD KIND OF FREEZE THE PROCESS OF DECOMPOSITION. 500 00:30:33,965 --> 00:30:36,515 AND THEY WERE IMMEDIATELY DRIVEN BY DETECTIVES... 501 00:30:36,517 --> 00:30:38,827 AND I DID MOST OF THEM WITH WILL CURRIE, 502 00:30:38,827 --> 00:30:40,827 A LOT OF THEM... UP TO THE LAB, 503 00:30:40,827 --> 00:30:44,687 WHICH WAS A FOUR-HOUR DRIVE TO NORTHERN CALIFORNIA. 504 00:30:44,689 --> 00:30:48,899 WE HAD A DEDICATED ROOM IN THE CORONER'S OFFICE FOR THIS CASE, 505 00:30:48,896 --> 00:30:51,896 AND WE CONDUCTED ALL OF OUR AUTOPSIES IN THE SAME ROOM. 506 00:31:03,241 --> 00:31:05,621 I WOULD HAVE NIGHTMARES. 507 00:31:05,620 --> 00:31:08,280 I WOULD SEE BODIES IN THE CORONER'S OFFICE ON GURNEYS 508 00:31:08,275 --> 00:31:09,715 AND THEY WOULD GET UP 509 00:31:09,724 --> 00:31:11,904 AND THEY WOULD JUST START WALKING AROUND. 510 00:31:15,068 --> 00:31:18,378 MY INTERPRETATION OF THE NIGHTMARES WERE THAT 511 00:31:18,379 --> 00:31:21,789 DEAD PEOPLE... THEY'RE COMING BACK TO LIFE, 512 00:31:21,793 --> 00:31:24,483 AND THEY'RE TRYING TO COMMUNICATE WITH ME. 513 00:31:24,482 --> 00:31:26,282 YOU KNOW, "LOOK AT THIS CHART. 514 00:31:26,275 --> 00:31:29,095 YOU'LL SEE A SUDDEN CHANGE IN SOMETHING... 515 00:31:29,103 --> 00:31:32,973 PULSE, HEART RATE, BLOOD OXYGEN LEVEL." 516 00:31:32,965 --> 00:31:34,135 THAT WAS A SIGN. 517 00:31:34,137 --> 00:31:36,137 THAT PERSON'S TRYING TO TELL YOU SOMETHING 518 00:31:36,137 --> 00:31:38,337 IN THEIR MEDICAL CHART. 519 00:31:38,344 --> 00:31:41,074 WHEN YOU'RE CONSUMED BY A CASE, IT BECOMES PART OF YOUR LIFE. 520 00:31:41,068 --> 00:31:44,968 IT BECOMES IN YOUR DNA, AND YOU CAN'T SHAKE IT. 521 00:31:44,965 --> 00:31:46,375 YOU CAN'T GET RID OF IT. 522 00:32:02,172 --> 00:32:05,762 THIS CASE WAS JUST A ROLLER COASTER FROM DAY 1. 523 00:32:05,758 --> 00:32:09,968 EVERY TIME SOME TRACTION WAS GAINED ON THIS INVESTIGATION, 524 00:32:09,965 --> 00:32:13,095 WE WERE HIT WITH A BASEBALL BAT. 525 00:32:13,103 --> 00:32:16,973 BUT FINDING NOTHING DOESN'T MEAN IT WASN'T THERE. 526 00:32:16,965 --> 00:32:20,895 IF IT WAS TESTED FOR PAVULON AND WE DIDN'T FIND IT, 527 00:32:20,896 --> 00:32:22,996 THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT PERSON WASN'T MURDERED. 528 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,030 IT MEANS THAT WE COULDN'T FIND IT. 529 00:32:25,034 --> 00:32:27,384 KEEP RUNNING THOSE SAMPLES. 530 00:32:27,379 --> 00:32:30,899 AND JUST LET ME KNOW IF YOU FIND ANYTHING. 531 00:32:30,896 --> 00:32:33,686 I NEVER THOUGHT OF QUITTING OR WALK AWAY. 532 00:32:33,689 --> 00:32:36,379 THAT'S NOT... WE HAD TO SEE THIS THROUGH. 533 00:32:36,379 --> 00:32:37,789 I MEAN, YOU'RE ALL-IN. 534 00:32:37,793 --> 00:32:39,863 WHEN YOU'RE ALL-IN, THERE'S NO QUITTING. 535 00:32:47,482 --> 00:32:49,832 AT THE TIME, MY CHILDREN WERE IN HIGH SCHOOL. 536 00:32:49,827 --> 00:32:53,337 THERE WERE BIRTHDAY PARTIES I DIDN'T ATTEND. 537 00:32:53,344 --> 00:32:54,834 IT WAS A LOT OF FRUSTRATION. 538 00:32:54,827 --> 00:32:56,927 YOU KNOW, YOU WENT FROM KNOWING 539 00:32:56,931 --> 00:32:59,381 WHAT YOUR WEEK WAS GONNA BE LIKE OR YOUR NEXT WEEK 540 00:32:59,379 --> 00:33:03,279 TO NOT KNOWING, YOU KNOW, 541 00:33:03,275 --> 00:33:06,655 WHAT YOU WERE GONNA BE DOING, WHERE YOU WERE GONNA BE. 542 00:33:06,655 --> 00:33:08,275 YOU WOULD WORK LONG HOURS. 543 00:33:08,275 --> 00:33:11,445 BUT IT WAS SOMETHING YOU LEARNED TO LIVE WITH. 544 00:33:13,448 --> 00:33:14,788 WE KNEW IT WAS GONNA BE MONTHS, 545 00:33:14,793 --> 00:33:16,793 BUT I DON'T THINK ANYBODY SUSPECTED 546 00:33:16,793 --> 00:33:19,413 IT WAS GONNA BE YEARS... AT THE START. 547 00:33:29,379 --> 00:33:33,339 IT WASN'T UNTIL TOWARDS THE END, I BELIEVE, 548 00:33:33,344 --> 00:33:35,624 WHERE WE BASICALLY GOT THE FIRST NOTIFICATION 549 00:33:35,620 --> 00:33:38,340 THAT PAVULON WAS FOUND IN THE TISSUE. 550 00:33:42,310 --> 00:33:44,340 SO WE HAD ONE POSITIVE HIT. 551 00:33:44,344 --> 00:33:46,484 THAT WAS A HUGE HIGH. 552 00:33:46,482 --> 00:33:48,212 WE WERE SHOCKED. 553 00:33:48,206 --> 00:33:50,136 'CAUSE AT THAT POINT, THEN IT BECAME TRUE. 554 00:33:50,137 --> 00:33:53,167 LIKE, WE REALLY DID HAVE SOMETHING HERE. 555 00:33:53,172 --> 00:33:55,312 WE FOUND OUR FIRST VICTIM. 556 00:33:58,310 --> 00:34:01,620 AFTER THE 20 TISSUE SAMPLES WERE TESTED, 557 00:34:01,620 --> 00:34:04,590 WE ENDED UP WITH SIX POSITIVE HITS. 558 00:34:04,586 --> 00:34:07,996 SIX TISSUE SAMPLES FROM SIX DIFFERENT BODIES 559 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,000 TESTED POSITIVE FOR PAVULON, 560 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,380 WITH NO EXPLANATION 561 00:34:11,379 --> 00:34:14,209 AS TO WHY PAVULON WOULD BE IN THOSE TISSUES, 562 00:34:14,206 --> 00:34:18,096 OTHER THAN EFREN SALDIVAR INJECTED THEM. 563 00:34:31,896 --> 00:34:35,376 34 MONTHS AFTER WE BEGAN THIS SEARCH FOR THE TRUTH, 564 00:34:35,379 --> 00:34:36,789 OUR TASK FORCE HAS DETERMINED 565 00:34:36,793 --> 00:34:38,143 THAT THERE IS SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE 566 00:34:38,137 --> 00:34:41,447 TO PLACE SALDIVAR UNDER ARREST FOR MULTIPLE MURDERS. 567 00:34:41,448 --> 00:34:43,618 OF THE 20 BODIES WE DISINTERRED, 568 00:34:43,620 --> 00:34:45,410 WE HAVE FOUND EVIDENCE TO CONCLUDE 569 00:34:45,413 --> 00:34:49,413 THAT SIX OF THESE PATIENTS WERE, IN FACT, MURDERED. 570 00:34:58,172 --> 00:35:00,312 HELLO? YEAH. 571 00:35:00,310 --> 00:35:03,210 I'M IN A MEETING, AND I GOT A PHONE CALL. 572 00:35:09,896 --> 00:35:11,756 IT'S THE GLENDALE DETECTIVE. 573 00:35:11,758 --> 00:35:15,858 THEY'VE ARRESTED SALDIVAR THAT MORNING, 574 00:35:15,862 --> 00:35:22,002 AND MY MOTHER IS ONE OF SIX NAMED VICTIMS. 575 00:35:24,172 --> 00:35:28,142 I COULD JUST FEEL MY BLOOD PRESSURE RISE. 576 00:35:28,137 --> 00:35:31,717 I COULD FEEL MYSELF GETTING OVERHEATED... 577 00:35:31,724 --> 00:35:38,864 JUST A SENSE OF RAGE THAT I KNEW WAS THERE. 578 00:35:38,862 --> 00:35:43,592 I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING. I DIDN'T NEEDTO SAY ANYTHING. 579 00:35:43,586 --> 00:35:47,656 I SUPPOSE I HAD A MILLION AND ONE THOUGHTS. 580 00:35:47,655 --> 00:35:49,335 BUT THERE WAS NOTHING TO DO. 581 00:35:58,068 --> 00:36:00,408 ON JANUARY 9, 2001, 582 00:36:00,413 --> 00:36:03,003 DETECTIVE CURRIE AND I WENT TO THE STATION 583 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,340 AND PREPARED FOR THE FINAL INTERROGATION. 584 00:36:06,344 --> 00:36:10,284 WE WERE REALLY HELL-BENT ON HAVING THE MOTIVE 585 00:36:10,275 --> 00:36:11,855 'CAUSE THAT'S THE ONE THING 586 00:36:11,862 --> 00:36:15,242 THAT WE NEVER REALLY HAD FROM START TO FINISH. 587 00:36:15,241 --> 00:36:18,241 THIS WAS THE THING THAT WE COULD NEVER FIGURE OUT. 588 00:36:18,241 --> 00:36:21,071 SO, WHAT DO YOU HAVE ON ME? 589 00:36:21,068 --> 00:36:22,478 I SAID TO HIM, 590 00:36:22,482 --> 00:36:24,552 "LOOK, WE'RE NOT HERE TO DISCUSS WHETHER YOU KILLED ANYBODY. 591 00:36:24,551 --> 00:36:27,481 THE EVIDENCE IS IN. IT'S CLEAR. WE HAVE EVERYTHING WE NEED." 592 00:36:27,482 --> 00:36:29,382 IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO TELL US? 593 00:36:39,344 --> 00:36:43,794 AT THE END OF THE DAY, AFTER GOING THROUGH EVERYTHING, 594 00:36:43,793 --> 00:36:46,593 HE SAID HIS MOTIVE WAS WORKLOAD. 595 00:36:46,586 --> 00:36:51,516 I'D LOOK AT THE BOARD AND SAY, "WHO HAS TO GO?" 596 00:36:51,517 --> 00:36:54,407 IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH EUTHANASIA. 597 00:36:54,413 --> 00:36:57,343 IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH PROFILING 598 00:36:57,344 --> 00:36:59,484 ANY ETHNICITY OR AGE OR... 599 00:36:59,482 --> 00:37:00,902 IT WAS JUST WORKLOAD. 600 00:37:00,896 --> 00:37:04,856 IF HE WAS BUSY, HE WOULD JUST THIN OUT THE PATIENT LOAD 601 00:37:04,862 --> 00:37:08,032 AND HE WOULD JUST RANDOMLY KILL PEOPLE. 602 00:37:08,034 --> 00:37:10,034 THE CONCLUSION WAS... BASED ON WHAT HE SAID 603 00:37:10,034 --> 00:37:12,284 AND HOW HE CALCULATED HOW MANY PEOPLE HE KILLED... 604 00:37:12,275 --> 00:37:15,405 THAT HE KILLED HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE IN THE HOSPITAL. 605 00:37:27,620 --> 00:37:29,900 I CALL IT THE POWER OF THE STETHOSCOPE... 606 00:37:29,896 --> 00:37:33,856 HE HAS HIS SCRUBS ON, LOOKS LIKE A DOCTOR. 607 00:37:33,862 --> 00:37:39,972 HE CONTROLLED PEOPLE'S DESTINY, DECIDED WHO LIVES AND WHO DIES. 608 00:37:39,965 --> 00:37:42,715 HE ACTED AS IF HE WAS GOD 609 00:37:42,724 --> 00:37:45,414 AND WAS EMPOWERED BY ALL OF THAT. 610 00:37:49,965 --> 00:37:55,405 IT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT WAS OUT OF CONCERN FOR PATIENTS. 611 00:37:55,413 --> 00:38:00,413 LIVING OUT THEIR LIVES IN PAIN AND SUFFERING. 612 00:38:00,413 --> 00:38:03,103 THERE WERE TOO MANY PATIENTS AND NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE ON DUTY, 613 00:38:03,103 --> 00:38:06,623 SO SOMEBODY HAD TO DIE. 614 00:38:06,620 --> 00:38:08,480 LOOKING AT THE CASE FOR IT HAD NEVER COME DOWN TO 615 00:38:08,482 --> 00:38:11,032 "HEY, GUYS, DO YOU THINK THIS MIGHT BE LAZINESS?" 616 00:38:11,034 --> 00:38:14,484 THAT HAD NEVER EVEN CROSSED OUR MINDS. 617 00:38:29,310 --> 00:38:33,660 A TRUE SOCIOPATH HIDES IT PRETTY WELL. 618 00:38:33,655 --> 00:38:35,475 NOBODY WALKS AROUND WITH, YOU KNOW, 619 00:38:35,482 --> 00:38:39,102 "KILLER" WRITTEN ON THEIR FOREHEAD. 620 00:38:39,103 --> 00:38:42,313 YOU GOT TO BE A PRETTY HEARTLESS INDIVIDUAL 621 00:38:42,310 --> 00:38:44,380 TO KILL SOMEBODY 622 00:38:44,379 --> 00:38:47,759 BECAUSE YOU FEEL YOU HAVE TOO MUCH WORK TO DO. 623 00:38:59,379 --> 00:39:02,759 AT THE BEGINNING, WHEN THE INFORMATION STARTED COMING OUT, 624 00:39:02,758 --> 00:39:05,308 THE WORD "EUTHANASIA" WAS THROWN AROUND, 625 00:39:05,310 --> 00:39:08,210 "MERCY KILLING," "THESE PEOPLE WERE AT THE END OF THEIR LIFE," 626 00:39:08,206 --> 00:39:10,306 AND "HE WAS JUST MAKING THEM COMFORTABLE," 627 00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:11,860 AND IT JUST... 628 00:39:11,862 --> 00:39:18,142 SO MANY EUPHEMISMS FOR WHAT HAD REALLY HAPPENED. 629 00:39:18,137 --> 00:39:21,307 AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT WAS COLD-BLOODED MURDER. 630 00:39:21,310 --> 00:39:23,170 JUST BECAUSE IT WAS IN A HOSPITAL, 631 00:39:23,172 --> 00:39:24,792 IN A CLEAN SETTING LIKE THAT, 632 00:39:24,793 --> 00:39:26,833 YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T SOMEBODY OUT ON THE STREET. 633 00:39:26,827 --> 00:39:28,277 THERE WAS NO UGLINESS TO IT. 634 00:39:28,275 --> 00:39:30,305 THERE WAS NO BLOOD SPLATTER ON THE FLOORS AND THE WALLS 635 00:39:30,310 --> 00:39:33,210 AND EVERYWHERE LIKE THAT, BUT IT WAS THE SAME THING. 636 00:39:33,206 --> 00:39:36,896 IT WAS JUST A DIFFERENT WEAPON BEING USED. 637 00:39:45,689 --> 00:39:47,719 WITH THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT HE WAS EMPLOYED THERE, 638 00:39:47,724 --> 00:39:50,384 THE POSSIBILITIES ARE... 639 00:39:50,379 --> 00:39:52,719 COULD HAVE BEEN WAY OVER 100 PATIENTS. 640 00:39:54,793 --> 00:39:56,973 I DON'T HAVE ANY REGRETS. 641 00:39:56,965 --> 00:39:59,515 I WISH IT HADN'T HAVE HAPPENED. 642 00:39:59,517 --> 00:40:03,447 I WISH HE HADN'T MURDERED THOSE PEOPLE AT THAT HOSPITAL. 643 00:40:03,448 --> 00:40:06,338 THIS WAS SO UNNECESSARY. 644 00:40:06,344 --> 00:40:10,484 THESE WERE JUST KILLINGS THAT, UM... 645 00:40:10,482 --> 00:40:11,972 SHOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED. 646 00:40:17,103 --> 00:40:23,763 MY MOTHER'S LIFE HAD CERTAINLY TAKEN A TURN FOR THE BETTER, 647 00:40:23,758 --> 00:40:29,658 AND SHE DESERVED THE OPPORTUNITY TO ENJOY THAT 648 00:40:29,655 --> 00:40:33,095 FOR AS LONG AS SHE COULD. 649 00:40:33,103 --> 00:40:36,173 SHE DIDN'T DESERVE TO BE ROBBED 650 00:40:36,172 --> 00:40:39,722 OF WHATEVER AMOUNT OF TIME SHE HAD LEFT 651 00:40:39,724 --> 00:40:41,764 BECAUSE OF SOME GUY ROAMING THE HALLS 652 00:40:41,758 --> 00:40:43,548 PLAYING ANGEL OF DEATH. 653 00:40:46,758 --> 00:40:51,028 WE HAD THAT CHANCE TO HAVE THAT LAST GOODBYE. 654 00:40:51,034 --> 00:40:55,934 WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT'S WHAT IT WAS, BUT WE HAD IT. 655 00:40:55,931 --> 00:41:01,591 AND SO I'VE ALWAYS BEEN SOMEWHAT COMFORTED BY THAT. 656 00:41:01,586 --> 00:41:06,686 THAT GAVE ME THE CLOSURE THAT EVERYBODY CLAIMS THEY LOOK FOR. 657 00:41:14,517 --> 00:41:18,337 WE WANT TO REMEMBER THAT THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT WERE MURDERED, 658 00:41:18,344 --> 00:41:22,004 AND HOW THEY DIED IS WORSE THAN PEOPLE COULD IMAGINE. 659 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,140 YOU THINK, "OH, THEY GOT A SHOT AND THEY DIED." 660 00:41:24,137 --> 00:41:27,547 NO, THEY GOT A SHOT AND THEY WERE SUFFOCATED 661 00:41:27,551 --> 00:41:30,281 AND THEY SAW THE KILLER AND THEY HEARD THE KILLER 662 00:41:30,275 --> 00:41:33,715 AND THEY COULDN'T MOVE, THEY COULDN'T CRY OUT. 663 00:41:33,724 --> 00:41:35,384 THEY KNEW THEY WERE DYING, 664 00:41:35,379 --> 00:41:37,379 BUT THEY COULDN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. 665 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:41,340 ONE OF THE FRUSTRATING THINGS 666 00:41:41,344 --> 00:41:45,004 WAS THERE WAS NEVER ANY PUBLIC OUTRAGE ON THIS. 667 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,070 I MEAN, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE TO SEE PEOPLE 668 00:41:48,068 --> 00:41:50,998 RALLYING IN THE STREETS... KIND OF BRINGING ATTENTION 669 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:56,310 TO THE VULNERABILITY OF PEOPLE IN A HOSPITAL. 670 00:41:56,310 --> 00:42:01,550 ALL THAT DEATH AND MURDERS AND THE INVESTIGATION 671 00:42:01,551 --> 00:42:04,341 AND HOW MANY LIVES IT AFFECTED... 672 00:42:04,344 --> 00:42:10,034 FROM THE POLICE OFFICERS TO THE VICTIMS... 673 00:42:10,034 --> 00:42:13,484 AND EFREN SALDIVAR PLED GUILTY AND GOT LIFE IN PRISON. 674 00:42:15,310 --> 00:42:17,620 I THINK THERE'S MORE THAT CAN BE DONE HERE. 675 00:42:19,758 --> 00:42:22,998 IF YOU THINK THIS IS NOT HAPPENING NOW, 676 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,790 I THINK WE'RE ALL KIDDING OURSELVES. 677 00:42:25,793 --> 00:42:29,453 I THINK THIS HAPPENS MORE THAN ANYBODY WANTS TO BELIEVE.