1 00:00:04,310 --> 00:00:09,900 THE HOUSE ITSELF HAD A BAD AND EERIE FEEL TO IT, 2 00:00:09,896 --> 00:00:14,856 AND IT REMINDED ME OF SO MANY SCARY HOUSES 3 00:00:14,862 --> 00:00:18,662 I'VE SEEN ON SCARY MOVIES. 4 00:00:18,655 --> 00:00:22,235 I JUST HADN'T HAD A CASE WHERE SOMEONE HAD BEEN CHOPPED UP 5 00:00:22,241 --> 00:00:25,281 AND MUTILATED LIKE THAT. 6 00:00:25,275 --> 00:00:27,475 WHEN I WAS LEAVING THE PROPERTY, I WAS THINKING TO MYSELF, 7 00:00:27,482 --> 00:00:31,172 "THIS IS GOING TO BE A CASE THAT PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO BELIEVE." 8 00:00:36,827 --> 00:00:39,997 YOU COULD HEAR RIGHT THROUGH THE WALLS. 9 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,690 AND I REMEMBER HEARING THE GUN POP, 10 00:00:42,689 --> 00:00:43,899 AND I REMEMBER HIM TELLING HER 11 00:00:43,896 --> 00:00:46,586 HE WAS GOING TO BLOW HER BRAINS OUT. 12 00:00:46,586 --> 00:00:49,376 I DIDN'T KNOW WHEN, BUT I BELIEVED EVENTUALLY 13 00:00:49,379 --> 00:00:52,999 HE WAS GOING TO GO OVER THE EDGE AND EITHER SHE WAS GOING TO DIE, 14 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,930 OR I WAS GOING TO DIE, OR WE BOTH WERE GOING TO DIE. 15 00:00:59,344 --> 00:01:01,724 I THINK YOU ASKED ME ONE TIME. 16 00:01:01,724 --> 00:01:04,244 HOW LONG AGO WAS RUBEL THE LOVE OF MY LIFE. 17 00:01:04,241 --> 00:01:06,101 HE USED TO BE. 18 00:01:06,103 --> 00:01:09,833 UMM... 19 00:01:15,482 --> 00:01:18,482 BUT NOW I PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT GOES ON AROUND ME, YOU KNOW? 20 00:01:18,482 --> 00:01:20,592 BACK THEN, I DID NOT. 21 00:01:20,586 --> 00:01:23,136 I WANT TO BE SAFE. 22 00:01:23,137 --> 00:01:24,827 THERE'S ALWAYS THAT FEAR 23 00:01:24,827 --> 00:01:29,617 THAT SOMEBODY'S GOING TO GET YOU, YOU KNOW? 24 00:01:29,620 --> 00:01:31,280 NEVER LET YOUR KIDS THINK THERE AIN'T A BOOGEYMAN, 25 00:01:31,275 --> 00:01:32,755 'CAUSE THERE IS. 26 00:01:32,758 --> 00:01:34,548 THEY'RE EVERYWHERE. 27 00:01:34,551 --> 00:01:37,551 Captions by VITAC... www.vitac.com 28 00:01:37,551 --> 00:01:40,521 CAPTIONS PAID FOR BY DISCOVERY COMMUNICATIONS 29 00:02:10,482 --> 00:02:11,972 I WAS SURPRISED. 30 00:02:11,965 --> 00:02:16,445 I THOUGHT TO MYSELF, "OKAY, THIS IS A FLASH FROM THE PAST," 31 00:02:16,448 --> 00:02:21,478 AND I THOUGHT, "WELL, HMM. THAT WAS A GOOD CASE TO PICK 32 00:02:21,482 --> 00:02:24,072 IF YOU WERE GOING TO PICK A CASE." 33 00:02:33,413 --> 00:02:35,003 YES? 34 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,480 WHEN I RECEIVED THE PHONE CALL, WHAT THE SHERIFF DESCRIBED TO ME 35 00:02:38,482 --> 00:02:44,282 WAS THAT HE HAD A JEFFREY DAHMER CASE. 36 00:02:44,275 --> 00:02:48,025 HE TOLD ME HE HAD BODY PARTS BURNING UP IN HILLSBOROUGH. 37 00:02:48,034 --> 00:02:49,864 AND I SAID, "YOU'RE KIDDING ME." 38 00:02:49,862 --> 00:02:51,342 HE SAID, "NO, REALLY." 39 00:02:51,344 --> 00:02:54,834 SERIOUSLY, YOU NEED TO GET UP HERE AS FAST AS YOU CAN. 40 00:02:54,827 --> 00:02:58,377 ALL RIGHT, I'M ON MY WAY. 41 00:02:58,379 --> 00:03:02,449 I JUST THOUGHT THEY WERE EXAGGERATING THIS. 42 00:03:07,310 --> 00:03:08,140 THANKS FOR COMING BY. 43 00:03:08,137 --> 00:03:10,207 WHEN I GOT TO THE FARM, 44 00:03:10,206 --> 00:03:13,996 THERE WAS A TON OF OFFICERS IN THE YARD. 45 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,520 I COULD SEE WHERE THERE WAS SOME SMOKE STILL COMING 46 00:03:16,517 --> 00:03:19,237 FROM WHAT WAS APPARENTLY ASHES. 47 00:03:19,241 --> 00:03:22,241 AND I THOUGHT, "WELL, HMM, THIS IS CURIOUS. 48 00:03:22,241 --> 00:03:24,521 IT'LL BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT THEY HAVE." 49 00:03:29,551 --> 00:03:33,591 WHEN I WALKED UP, THE FIRST THING I REMEMBER IS I LOOK DOWN, 50 00:03:33,586 --> 00:03:40,546 AND THERE WAS THE UPPER PORTION OF A TORSO, ABOUT HERE TO HERE. 51 00:03:40,551 --> 00:03:43,141 IT WAS BURNED SIGNIFICANTLY TO THE POINT 52 00:03:43,137 --> 00:03:45,307 YOU COULD SEE THE RIBS. 53 00:03:45,310 --> 00:03:49,140 I SAW WHAT LOOKED LIKE A LUNG, WHAT LOOKED LIKE A HEART, 54 00:03:49,137 --> 00:03:55,167 AND A LIVER SITTING THERE, AND IT WAS JUST CHARRED. 55 00:03:55,172 --> 00:03:57,692 THERE WAS ALSO A SKULL WITH WHAT LOOKED LIKE 56 00:03:57,689 --> 00:04:01,829 A LITTLE BIT OF HAIR ON IT, BUT THE EARS WERE MISSING. 57 00:04:01,827 --> 00:04:03,687 AND I THOUGHT, "WOW." 58 00:04:07,310 --> 00:04:11,070 AND WHILE I WAS LOOKING AT THE ORGANS AND THE TORSO THERE, 59 00:04:11,068 --> 00:04:13,378 I SAW SOMETHING IN MY PERIPHERAL VISION... 60 00:04:15,448 --> 00:04:18,068 ...AND IT WAS A DOG, 61 00:04:18,068 --> 00:04:22,028 AND THE DOG HAD A HAND IN ITS MOUTH. 62 00:04:25,137 --> 00:04:26,657 AND I THOUGHT, 63 00:04:26,655 --> 00:04:28,545 "THERE'S SOMETHING YOU DON'T SEE EVERY DAY... 64 00:04:28,551 --> 00:04:31,901 A DOG RUNNING BY WITH A HAND IN ITS MOUTH." 65 00:04:34,482 --> 00:04:37,692 AND I THOUGHT, "MAYBE THIS IS GOING TO BE WORSE 66 00:04:37,689 --> 00:04:39,689 THAN EVEN I THOUGHT IT WAS." 67 00:04:53,827 --> 00:04:58,067 I MET RUBEL AT CENTRAL PRISON IN RALEIGH. 68 00:04:58,068 --> 00:05:00,448 HE WAS BEHIND THE GLASS. 69 00:05:00,448 --> 00:05:02,658 A FRIEND SET US UP. 70 00:05:08,034 --> 00:05:09,314 THEY SHOWED ME A PICTURE OF HIM. 71 00:05:09,310 --> 00:05:12,660 I'M GOING, "WHAT A HANDSOME GUY." 72 00:05:12,655 --> 00:05:13,965 SO, I WENT TO SEE HIM, 73 00:05:13,965 --> 00:05:16,585 AND HE JUST HAD THE BIGGEST GRIN ON HIS FACE. 74 00:05:16,586 --> 00:05:18,376 HE WAS HAPPY TO SEE SOMEONE, I GUESS. 75 00:05:18,379 --> 00:05:19,859 I COULD HAVE BEEN THE UGLIEST THING IN THE WORLD. 76 00:05:19,862 --> 00:05:21,172 I DON'T THINK HE WOULD HAVE CARED. 77 00:05:29,034 --> 00:05:33,104 IT WAS EXCITING... VERY EXCITING. 78 00:05:33,103 --> 00:05:36,343 HE WAS A BAD BOY TRYING TO CHANGE, 79 00:05:36,344 --> 00:05:39,724 AND WE MADE PLANS. 80 00:05:39,724 --> 00:05:41,934 WE MADE LIFE PLANS. 81 00:05:44,689 --> 00:05:48,029 WE PLANNED ON A CHILD... A SON. 82 00:05:48,034 --> 00:05:50,344 OH, THIS IS HARD. 83 00:06:02,448 --> 00:06:04,068 THE FIRST TIME I MET DAVID, 84 00:06:04,068 --> 00:06:06,478 RUBEL BROUGHT HIM HOME AFTER A ROOFING JOB, 85 00:06:06,482 --> 00:06:09,552 AND HE INTRODUCED HIM AS HIS PRISON BUDDY. 86 00:06:09,551 --> 00:06:13,831 HE SAID, "I KNOW HE'S A LITTLE STRANGE, BUT HE'S HARMLESS." 87 00:06:13,827 --> 00:06:17,237 PAM WAS A WONDERFUL GIRL... THAT WAS DAVID'S GIRLFRIEND. 88 00:06:19,689 --> 00:06:22,409 SHE WAS A JOKESTER. SHE WAS SO MUCH FUN. 89 00:06:24,448 --> 00:06:29,208 YOU KNOW, WE JUST LAUGHED AND CUT UP LIKE GIRLS DO. 90 00:06:29,206 --> 00:06:32,446 WE WERE HAPPY. 91 00:06:32,448 --> 00:06:35,168 BUT THEN THINGS JUST WENT BAD. 92 00:06:49,241 --> 00:06:52,281 YOU COULDN'T ASK FOR A BETTER DAUGHTER. 93 00:06:52,275 --> 00:06:55,515 SHE'S SWEET... SWEETEST CHILD YOU COULD EVER HAVE. 94 00:06:57,620 --> 00:07:02,690 SHE WAS MADE TO GROW UP TOO FAST. 95 00:07:02,689 --> 00:07:04,999 OH, GOD. 96 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,930 I WAS A HORRIBLE PARENT. 97 00:07:08,931 --> 00:07:12,721 EXCUSE ME. 98 00:07:12,724 --> 00:07:14,034 I WAS A TERRIBLE MOTHER. 99 00:07:14,034 --> 00:07:16,524 I WASN'T READY TO BE A MOTHER, I GUESS. 100 00:07:23,551 --> 00:07:25,001 OKAY. 101 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:26,410 I'll BE OKAY. 102 00:07:32,482 --> 00:07:35,452 I GUESS THE YOUNGEST YOU CAN REALLY HAVE A MEMORY 103 00:07:35,448 --> 00:07:36,998 IS MAYBE THREE? 104 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,380 BUT IT'S ONE OF THE FONDEST MEMORIES 105 00:07:39,379 --> 00:07:41,449 I'VE EVER HAD, AND THAT'S WHEN MY MOM 106 00:07:41,448 --> 00:07:43,138 AND I WERE IN THE LIVING ROOM, 107 00:07:43,137 --> 00:07:45,787 AND JOAN JETT WAS ON THE RADIO, 108 00:07:45,793 --> 00:07:48,413 AND WE JUST KIND OF DANCED. 109 00:07:52,517 --> 00:07:55,097 I JUST... I MISS THOSE... 110 00:07:55,103 --> 00:07:57,343 I MISS THOSE TIMES. 111 00:07:57,344 --> 00:07:59,974 BUT WE WERE DANCING AROUND THE LIVING ROOM AND SINGING, 112 00:07:59,965 --> 00:08:03,715 AND SHE WAS SNAPPING HER FINGERS, 113 00:08:03,724 --> 00:08:05,174 SO I WAS DANCING WITH HER, 114 00:08:05,172 --> 00:08:08,102 AND I JUST REMEMBER THINKING, "OH, MY GOSH. 115 00:08:08,103 --> 00:08:09,833 "I LOVE THIS WOMAN," YOU KNOW? 116 00:08:09,827 --> 00:08:13,407 I LOVE MY MOTHER, AND SHE'S MY BEST FRIEND. 117 00:08:22,413 --> 00:08:26,073 HE TAUGHT ME HOW TO MAKE LITTLE DANDELION FLOWERS, 118 00:08:26,068 --> 00:08:28,238 HOW TO STRING THEM TOGETHER 119 00:08:28,241 --> 00:08:30,831 AND MAKE, LIKE, LITTLE NECKLACES AND BRACELETS, 120 00:08:30,827 --> 00:08:34,067 AND I JUST THOUGHT THAT WAS THE GREATEST THING EVER. 121 00:08:34,068 --> 00:08:38,028 SO, I THOUGHT, "OH, YOU KNOW, HE'S NICE. 122 00:08:38,034 --> 00:08:40,524 ROUGH AROUND THE EDGES, BUT NICE." 123 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,380 IN THE BEGINNING, IT WAS FINE. 124 00:08:51,379 --> 00:08:55,619 BUT, I MEAN, THINGS EVENTUALLY CHANGED. 125 00:08:55,620 --> 00:09:01,280 HE, UM... BECAME VERY ABUSIVE, 126 00:09:01,275 --> 00:09:04,515 VERY HATEFUL. 127 00:09:04,517 --> 00:09:06,687 IT WENT FROM SLAPPING ME IN MY FACE 128 00:09:06,689 --> 00:09:08,209 TO PUNCHING ME IN THE FACE 129 00:09:08,206 --> 00:09:12,686 AND PUNCHING ME ALL OVER MY BODY. 130 00:09:12,689 --> 00:09:14,659 MY MOM AND I RECENTLY TALKED ABOUT THIS 131 00:09:14,655 --> 00:09:17,205 BECAUSE I ASKED HER, YOU KNOW, "MOM, WHY? 132 00:09:17,206 --> 00:09:18,926 WHY DID YOU STAY WITH HIM? 133 00:09:18,931 --> 00:09:21,521 WHY DID YOU STAY IN THE HOME?" 134 00:09:21,517 --> 00:09:24,517 AND SHE WAS, "I JUST DON'T REMEMBER ANY OF THIS." 135 00:09:24,517 --> 00:09:27,447 AND I'M LIKE, "HOW CAN YOU NOT?" 136 00:09:27,448 --> 00:09:29,098 SHE'S LIKE, "I REMEMBER YOU GETTING SPANKINGS, 137 00:09:29,103 --> 00:09:32,903 BUT I DON'T REMEMBER HIM, LIKE, REALLY BEATING YOU." 138 00:09:32,896 --> 00:09:36,786 AND I'M LIKE, "BUT HE DID!" 139 00:09:36,793 --> 00:09:40,413 ONE TIME, HE ASKED ME HOW MUCH MONEY I HAD. 140 00:09:40,413 --> 00:09:41,693 IT'S FOR LUNCH. 141 00:09:41,689 --> 00:09:42,759 WELL, I DIDN'T ASK WHAT IT WAS FOR. 142 00:09:42,758 --> 00:09:44,828 I ASKED HOW MUCH YOU GOT. 143 00:09:44,827 --> 00:09:47,687 I SAID, "FIVE DOLLARS." 144 00:09:47,689 --> 00:09:49,279 AND HE WAS LIKE, "WELL, I NEED YOU TO GIVE IT TO ME." 145 00:09:49,275 --> 00:09:53,965 AND I SAID, "I'M NOT GIVING YOU MY MONEY." 146 00:09:53,965 --> 00:09:56,615 I SAID GIVE IT TO ME! 147 00:10:00,206 --> 00:10:03,096 AND I JUST DIDN'T SEE IT COMING. 148 00:10:03,103 --> 00:10:06,833 AND THEN IT JUST, LIKE... A BLOW TO MY FACE. 149 00:10:10,344 --> 00:10:14,864 AND I HAVE SO MUCH HATE BUILT UP BY THIS POINT WITH HIM 150 00:10:14,862 --> 00:10:19,002 THAT I DIDN'T WANT TO CRY EVEN THOUGH MY EYES WERE WATERING, 151 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,240 AND I SIT BACK DOWN IN THE CHAIR, 152 00:10:21,241 --> 00:10:26,691 AND I START EATING MY CEREAL, AND I'M LOOKING STRAIGHT AHEAD. 153 00:10:26,689 --> 00:10:32,409 AND I GO TO DRINK THE MILK, AND IT TASTES FUNNY. 154 00:10:32,413 --> 00:10:34,663 AND I LOOK, AND IT'S FULL OF BLOOD. 155 00:10:40,172 --> 00:10:43,552 I FELT LIKE HE WAS A TICKING TIME-BOMB. 156 00:10:43,551 --> 00:10:45,071 I NEVER KNEW. 157 00:10:45,068 --> 00:10:48,758 I NEVER KNEW WHAT HE WAS CAPABLE OF OR WHAT HE COULD DO. 158 00:11:00,551 --> 00:11:04,001 MY STEP-DAD HAD A TEMPER. 159 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:07,280 HE WOULD JUST GO ON HIS RAGES. 160 00:11:07,275 --> 00:11:10,445 HE'D BREAK STUFF. THERE WERE HOLES IN OUR WALLS. 161 00:11:10,448 --> 00:11:12,998 I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU GOT TO MAKE 162 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:14,280 A BIG DEAL ABOUT EVERYTHING. 163 00:11:14,275 --> 00:11:15,305 I'M NOT MAKING A BIG DEAL ABOUT ANYTHING! 164 00:11:15,310 --> 00:11:16,550 YOU ARE MAKING A BIG DEAL! 165 00:11:16,551 --> 00:11:19,141 HE NOT ONLY ABUSED ME, BUT LATER, YOU KNOW, 166 00:11:19,137 --> 00:11:21,477 I WOULD WITNESS HIM ABUSE MY MOTHER. 167 00:11:25,965 --> 00:11:28,825 IT'S HARD TO SEE THAT HAPPEN TO YOUR MOTHER. 168 00:11:28,827 --> 00:11:31,857 I WANTED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, BUT I COULDN'T. 169 00:11:31,862 --> 00:11:34,102 I MEAN, I WAS A KID. 170 00:11:34,103 --> 00:11:37,103 TO ME, HE WAS THE SCARIEST PERSON IN THE WORLD. 171 00:11:41,965 --> 00:11:44,685 I DIDN'T KNOW WHEN, BUT I BELIEVED EVENTUALLY 172 00:11:44,689 --> 00:11:48,379 HE WAS GOING TO GO OVER THE EDGE AND EITHER SHE WAS GOING TO DIE, 173 00:11:48,379 --> 00:11:51,209 OR I WAS GOING TO DIE, OR WE BOTH WE WERE GOING TO DIE. 174 00:12:06,655 --> 00:12:11,895 MY DREAM WAS TO HAVE A FAMILY... A HAPPY FAMILY. 175 00:12:11,896 --> 00:12:15,446 YOU KNOW, TRAVEL, DO THINGS TOGETHER. 176 00:12:15,448 --> 00:12:17,308 IT'S LIKE EVERYTHING WE HAD SAID AND PLANNED 177 00:12:17,310 --> 00:12:19,620 WHILE HE WAS LOCKED UP... 178 00:12:19,620 --> 00:12:22,480 IT WENT OUT THE WINDOW. 179 00:12:22,482 --> 00:12:24,762 I KNOW WHAT CAUSED ALL OF IT. 180 00:12:24,758 --> 00:12:26,028 IT WAS THE DRUGS HE WAS ON. 181 00:12:26,034 --> 00:12:27,594 I KNEW IT WAS. 182 00:12:27,586 --> 00:12:31,786 CRACK, CRANK, DRANK... 183 00:12:31,793 --> 00:12:35,933 ANYTHING, I GUESS, HE COULD GET HIS HANDS ON. 184 00:12:35,931 --> 00:12:40,691 THE DRUG USE... IT CHANGED HIS WHOLE DISPOSITION. 185 00:12:40,689 --> 00:12:43,859 HE WOULD BE NICE ONE MINUTE, MEAN THE NEXT, STAY UP FOR DAYS, 186 00:12:43,862 --> 00:12:46,692 YOU KNOW, RANTING AND RAVING. 187 00:12:46,689 --> 00:12:48,279 ONE DAY, I CAME HOME, 188 00:12:48,275 --> 00:12:50,585 AND I DON'T THINK HE REALIZED WHO I WAS, 189 00:12:50,586 --> 00:12:53,306 AND HE GRABS THE SHOTGUN OUT FROM UNDERNEATH THE BED. 190 00:12:56,724 --> 00:12:59,314 AND HE STARTED PUMPING IT. 191 00:12:59,310 --> 00:13:02,340 RUBEL! RUBEL! STOP, PLEASE! 192 00:13:02,344 --> 00:13:06,004 IT DIDN'T HAVE NO SHELLS IN IT, BUT HE KEPT PUMPING IT. 193 00:13:09,551 --> 00:13:14,481 IF THAT GUN WOULD HAVE BEEN LOADED, I WOULD HAVE BEEN DEAD. 194 00:13:14,482 --> 00:13:16,482 I TOLD HIM, YOU KNOW, "WE'RE LEAVING." 195 00:13:16,482 --> 00:13:20,032 AND THAT'S WHEN HE KEPT SAYING, "I'll KILL YOU IF YOU LEAVE ME." 196 00:13:20,034 --> 00:13:22,724 YOU'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE. 197 00:13:22,724 --> 00:13:24,974 SO, I DIDN'T GO. 198 00:13:24,965 --> 00:13:26,755 I STAYED. 199 00:13:35,793 --> 00:13:39,073 I SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME WITH PAM. 200 00:13:39,068 --> 00:13:42,788 I JUST ENJOYED HAVING SOMEONE THAT LISTENED TO ME, 201 00:13:42,793 --> 00:13:45,143 THAT TALKED TO ME. 202 00:13:45,137 --> 00:13:47,067 IT WAS A REALLY GOOD FEELING, LIKE THE FEELING 203 00:13:47,068 --> 00:13:50,518 I HAD WHEN MY MOM USED TO DANCE AROUND THE LIVING ROOM WITH ME. 204 00:13:50,517 --> 00:13:51,857 SO IT WAS GREAT. 205 00:13:51,862 --> 00:13:53,482 YOU LOOK BEAUTIFUL. 206 00:13:53,482 --> 00:13:56,792 DOESN'T SHE LOOK BEAUTIFUL, DAVID? 207 00:13:56,793 --> 00:13:59,553 AS MUCH AS I ENJOYED BEING AROUND HER, 208 00:13:59,551 --> 00:14:01,481 DAVID SEEMED A LITTLE OFF. 209 00:14:01,482 --> 00:14:04,552 I COULD GET USED TO HAVING YOU AROUND. 210 00:14:04,551 --> 00:14:08,001 HE WOULD MAKE LITTLE COMMENTS TO ME LIKE, 211 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:09,790 "OH, YOU'RE SO PRETTY. 212 00:14:09,793 --> 00:14:13,283 I THINK I'M JUST GOING TO MAKE YOU MINE." 213 00:14:13,275 --> 00:14:17,585 AND IT WAS EVERY TIME HE WAS AROUND HE WOULD SAY THAT TO ME. 214 00:14:17,586 --> 00:14:20,516 IT REALLY STARTED TO FREAK ME OUT, BUT PAM WOULD TELL ME, 215 00:14:20,517 --> 00:14:22,027 "DON'T PAY HIM ANY ATTENTION," 216 00:14:22,034 --> 00:14:24,594 AND JUST BLOW IT OFF LIKE IT WAS NOTHING. 217 00:14:32,241 --> 00:14:35,171 I REMEMBER SITTING WITH HER ONE DAY... 218 00:14:35,172 --> 00:14:36,412 HONEY. 219 00:14:36,413 --> 00:14:39,173 ...AND SHE WAS LIKE, "ARE YOU OKAY?" 220 00:14:39,172 --> 00:14:42,072 AND I REMEMBER CRYING AND SAYING, "NO. 221 00:14:42,068 --> 00:14:44,378 NO, I'M NOT OKAY." 222 00:14:44,379 --> 00:14:46,099 IF YOU NEED ANYTHING... 223 00:14:46,103 --> 00:14:47,523 SHE HAD TOLD ME THEN, YOU KNOW, 224 00:14:47,517 --> 00:14:49,927 "I'll KEEP YOU OVER HERE AS MUCH AS I CAN." 225 00:14:49,931 --> 00:14:52,901 AND SHE OFFERED ME ONE OF THE BEDROOMS. 226 00:14:52,896 --> 00:14:54,516 "YOU CAN FIX IT UP ANY WAY YOU WANT. 227 00:14:54,517 --> 00:14:56,137 WE'LL GET A CANOPY BED." 228 00:14:56,137 --> 00:14:59,587 AND IT WAS REALLY EXCITING, SO, YEAH, IT WAS. 229 00:14:59,586 --> 00:15:02,756 IT WAS LIKE A SAFE HAVEN. 230 00:15:02,758 --> 00:15:05,588 COME HERE. 231 00:15:05,586 --> 00:15:07,236 I KNOW. 232 00:15:19,310 --> 00:15:23,620 IT WAS PROBABLY THE MOST HORRIFIC SCENE I'D EVER SEEN. 233 00:15:23,620 --> 00:15:30,860 I'D NEVER SEEN SOMEONE'S PARTS BURNED UP LIKE THAT. 234 00:15:30,862 --> 00:15:34,142 AT THIS POINT, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE VICTIM. 235 00:15:34,137 --> 00:15:37,307 I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S A MAN OR A WOMAN. 236 00:15:37,310 --> 00:15:39,620 WHAT I DID SURMISE BY LOOKING AT IT IS 237 00:15:39,620 --> 00:15:43,450 I THOUGHT THIS PERSON WAS NOT VERY TALL IN STATURE 238 00:15:43,448 --> 00:15:46,448 BECAUSE THE SHORTNESS OF THE RIB CAGE 239 00:15:46,448 --> 00:15:51,068 LED ME TO THINK THAT THIS PERSON WAS PROBABLY NOT VERY TALL. 240 00:15:51,068 --> 00:15:56,858 WE WALKED AROUND, AND WE GET TO THIS SHORT PORCH. 241 00:15:56,862 --> 00:16:03,342 AND I WALK UP, AND THERE WAS A SEVERED EAR ON THE RAILING. 242 00:16:06,586 --> 00:16:11,066 AND I THOUGHT TO MYSELF, "THAT'S REALLY A HUMAN EAR THERE. 243 00:16:11,068 --> 00:16:14,618 PROBABLY BELONGS TO THAT BODY OUT THERE IN THE FIRE, 244 00:16:14,620 --> 00:16:16,690 BUT WHY IS IT HERE?" 245 00:16:19,448 --> 00:16:21,998 IT MADE ME FEEL LIKE 246 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,790 I COULD EXPECT LITERALLY ANYTHING TO HAPPEN. 247 00:16:24,793 --> 00:16:27,663 I COULD EXPECT TO SEE ANYTHING. 248 00:16:34,379 --> 00:16:39,169 THERE WAS NOTHING UNUSUAL ABOUT THE HOUSE, STEPPING INTO IT. 249 00:16:39,172 --> 00:16:41,662 BUT WHEN WE WALKED INTO THE KITCHEN, 250 00:16:41,655 --> 00:16:43,895 THERE WAS AN EAR IN A FRUIT BASKET. 251 00:16:47,241 --> 00:16:48,931 WHO DOES THIS? 252 00:16:48,931 --> 00:16:52,691 WHO SEVERS AN EAR AND PUTS IT IN A FRUIT BASKET? 253 00:16:56,206 --> 00:16:59,516 GUYS, YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO CHECK THIS OUT. 254 00:16:59,517 --> 00:17:01,377 FOR SOME REASON, ONE OF THE OFFICERS 255 00:17:01,379 --> 00:17:04,759 OPENS THE REFRIGERATOR DOOR, 256 00:17:04,758 --> 00:17:06,718 AND THERE'S SEVERAL THINGS IN IT, 257 00:17:06,724 --> 00:17:11,484 BUT THE MOST NOTICEABLE THING IS A BALL JAR IN THE REFRIGERATOR, 258 00:17:11,482 --> 00:17:14,172 AND IT'S GOT CLEAR LIQUID IN IT. 259 00:17:14,172 --> 00:17:15,622 BUT WHAT IT HAS IN IT 260 00:17:15,620 --> 00:17:18,720 IS THE THING THAT DRAWS EVERYONE'S ATTENTION. 261 00:17:18,724 --> 00:17:22,724 IT HAS WHAT LOOKED LIKE EYES. 262 00:17:22,724 --> 00:17:24,414 WHAT IS THAT? 263 00:17:28,482 --> 00:17:33,312 THEN ONE OF THE PEOPLE SAYS, "THEM'S TESTICLES." 264 00:17:33,310 --> 00:17:34,720 WHAT? 265 00:17:34,724 --> 00:17:36,934 AND I THOUGHT TO MYSELF, "WELL, I'll BE DARNED. 266 00:17:36,931 --> 00:17:38,721 THAT DOES MAKE SENSE." 267 00:17:41,275 --> 00:17:44,205 AND THEN SOMEONE OPENS THE FREEZER, 268 00:17:44,206 --> 00:17:48,206 AND THERE ARE TWO MORE EARS IN THE FREEZER. 269 00:17:52,448 --> 00:17:55,828 SO, NOW WE'RE ALL THINKING, 270 00:17:55,827 --> 00:18:00,167 "THERE'S SOMEONE ELSE DEAD AT THIS SCENE," 271 00:18:00,172 --> 00:18:04,142 AND, SO, THE QUESTION IS WHERE IS THIS PERSON. 272 00:18:18,379 --> 00:18:21,029 WOW. 273 00:18:21,034 --> 00:18:22,724 DO YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN? 274 00:18:22,724 --> 00:18:25,344 SHE WAS JUST BEAUTIFUL. BEAUTIFUL. 275 00:18:25,344 --> 00:18:29,214 LIKE, SHE GLOWED. 276 00:18:29,206 --> 00:18:34,306 WHEN I FIRST MET PAM, THIS IS WHAT I REMEMBER. 277 00:18:34,310 --> 00:18:36,620 JUST THE WAY SHE'S GLOWING IN THIS PICTURE, 278 00:18:36,620 --> 00:18:40,340 HOW HAPPY SHE IS, AND SMILING, THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER. 279 00:18:43,827 --> 00:18:45,787 SHE'S GORGEOUS. 280 00:19:01,655 --> 00:19:05,095 I DON'T KNOW WHAT TYPE OF DRUGS HE WAS USING, 281 00:19:05,103 --> 00:19:09,793 BUT I KNOW THAT HIS BEHAVIOR STARTED TO CHANGE A LITTLE BIT. 282 00:19:09,793 --> 00:19:12,343 THESE ARE REALLY COMING TOGETHER, I THINK. 283 00:19:12,344 --> 00:19:16,414 HE STARTED GETTING MORE AND MORE DIFFERENT. 284 00:19:16,413 --> 00:19:19,793 HE STARTED BECOMING VERY SILENT, VERY SOLEMN, 285 00:19:19,793 --> 00:19:21,793 NOT SAYING A WHOLE LOT. 286 00:19:25,862 --> 00:19:29,762 BUT I WOULD STILL, YOU KNOW, TRY TO SEE PAM AS MUCH AS I COULD. 287 00:19:29,758 --> 00:19:31,588 YOU GOT TO PULL IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH 288 00:19:31,586 --> 00:19:33,136 TO MAKE THAT DOUBLE STITCH WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE. 289 00:19:33,137 --> 00:19:37,067 ONE DAY, SHE WANTED TO TEACH ME HOW TO CROCHET. 290 00:19:37,068 --> 00:19:38,688 AND THE CAT KEPT JUMPING UP, 291 00:19:38,689 --> 00:19:41,929 TRYING TO GRAB THE BALL OF YARN LIKE CATS DO. 292 00:19:41,931 --> 00:19:44,001 GET! GET OUT OF HERE! 293 00:19:45,310 --> 00:19:46,790 SHE SAID, "IF YOU DON'T GET DOWN AND LEAVE US ALONE, 294 00:19:46,793 --> 00:19:49,623 I'M GOING TO CHOP YOUR HEAD OFF AND HANG IT IN THE WELL." 295 00:19:49,620 --> 00:19:52,930 THAT CAT IS NOT GOING TO BE HAPPY IF HE COMES BACK IN HERE. 296 00:19:52,931 --> 00:19:55,591 I KNOW THAT SOUNDS REALLY ODD, BUT YOU'D HAVE TO KNOW PAM. 297 00:19:55,586 --> 00:19:57,306 I MEAN, SHE WOULD SAY THINGS SOMETIMES, 298 00:19:57,310 --> 00:19:59,520 AND IT DIDN'T MEAN ANYTHING. 299 00:20:02,344 --> 00:20:05,974 LATER ON IN THE DAY, WE WENT SHOPPING. 300 00:20:05,965 --> 00:20:14,065 AND WE GOT BACK, AND HER CAT WAS LAYING ON THE STEPS, 301 00:20:14,068 --> 00:20:15,448 AND IT DIDN'T HAVE A HEAD. 302 00:20:21,965 --> 00:20:28,475 PAM IMMEDIATELY, YOU KNOW, JUST STARTED SCREAMING AND CRYING. 303 00:20:28,482 --> 00:20:31,662 DAVID! DAVID! 304 00:20:31,655 --> 00:20:34,445 SHE'S REALLY UPSET, AND SHE'S GOING IN TO GET HIM, 305 00:20:34,448 --> 00:20:38,068 AND SHE'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, "MY BABY IS ON THE STEPS." 306 00:20:38,068 --> 00:20:40,518 SHE WAS LIKE, "I THINK A WILD ANIMAL OR A DOG"... 307 00:20:40,517 --> 00:20:41,997 NO. NO. NO. IT'S OKAY. I DID IT. 308 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,790 AND HE SAID, "NO, I DID IT." 309 00:20:44,793 --> 00:20:46,523 WHAT? 310 00:20:46,517 --> 00:20:49,207 LIKE, ALL THE BLOOD CAME OUT OF HER FACE, 311 00:20:49,206 --> 00:20:51,656 AND SHE SAID, "YOU KILLED MY CAT?" 312 00:20:51,655 --> 00:20:55,785 AND HE SAID, "ISN'T THAT WHAT YOU WANTED?" 313 00:20:55,793 --> 00:20:58,763 AND HE JUST HAD THIS STRAIGHT LOOK ON HIS FACE. 314 00:20:58,758 --> 00:21:04,658 AND I'M OVER HERE JUST THINKING, "HOW COULD HE DO THAT?" 315 00:21:04,655 --> 00:21:10,475 AT THAT POINT, I'M REALLY, REALLY FREAKED OUT BY HIM. 316 00:21:10,482 --> 00:21:12,862 IF SOMEBODY CAN DO THAT TO AN ANIMAL, 317 00:21:12,862 --> 00:21:15,172 I MEAN, WHAT ARE THEY CAPABLE OF? 318 00:21:23,413 --> 00:21:26,903 SHE CAME OVER TO OUR HOUSE, AND SHE WAS CRYING, 319 00:21:26,896 --> 00:21:31,306 AND SHE WAS TELLING MY MOM THAT SHE WANTED TO LEAVE HIM, 320 00:21:31,310 --> 00:21:34,310 THAT HE WAS CRAZY. 321 00:21:34,310 --> 00:21:36,450 AND MY MOM HAD ASKED HER, 322 00:21:36,448 --> 00:21:38,718 "DO YOU NEED ME TO DRIVE YOU SOMEWHERE?" 323 00:21:38,724 --> 00:21:40,004 YOU KNOW, "WHAT DO YOU NEED?" 324 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,240 'CAUSE MY MOM THOUGHT A LOT OF HER, AS WELL. 325 00:21:42,241 --> 00:21:43,621 AND SHE WAS LIKE, 326 00:21:43,620 --> 00:21:46,660 "NO, MY PARENTS ARE SUPPOSED TO COME AND GET ME," 327 00:21:46,655 --> 00:21:50,475 AND AT THAT POINT, SHE LEFT. 328 00:21:52,758 --> 00:21:54,898 IN MY MIND, SHE WASN'T LEAVING. 329 00:21:54,896 --> 00:21:56,446 SHE WAS GOING TO GO HOME WITH HER PARENTS. 330 00:21:56,448 --> 00:22:00,098 SHE WOULD STILL SEE US. 331 00:22:00,103 --> 00:22:03,933 I WAS SAD THAT SHE WOULDN'T BE, LIKE, RIGHT UP THE ROAD, 332 00:22:03,931 --> 00:22:06,621 BUT I WASN'T UPSET TO THE POINT WHERE, 333 00:22:06,620 --> 00:22:08,000 "OH, I'M NEVER GOING TO SEE HER AGAIN," 334 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,410 'CAUSE THAT THOUGHT DIDN'T CROSS MY MIND. 335 00:22:19,896 --> 00:22:22,476 I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT WE WAS ARGUING AND FIGHTING OVER. 336 00:22:22,482 --> 00:22:24,342 IT HAD BEEN SOMETHING HE HAD DONE STUPID, 337 00:22:24,344 --> 00:22:26,034 AND I HAD STEPPED UP AND SAID SOMETHING, 338 00:22:26,034 --> 00:22:27,974 AND I TOLD HIM I WAS GOING TO LEAVE HIM. 339 00:22:27,965 --> 00:22:30,305 I CAN'T... DO THIS ANYMORE. 340 00:22:30,310 --> 00:22:32,620 WHAT DID YOU SAY? 341 00:22:32,620 --> 00:22:38,340 "WELL, IF YOU TRY TO LEAVE ME, I WILL FIND YOU AND KILL YOU." 342 00:22:38,344 --> 00:22:41,454 AND I SAID, "I HOPE YOU DIE AND GO STRAIGHT TO HELL." 343 00:22:41,448 --> 00:22:45,688 IT WAS TIME TO DRAW A LINE, YOU KNOW? 344 00:22:45,689 --> 00:22:47,519 I LIVED WITH THIS LONG ENOUGH, AND YOU CAN THREATEN ME 345 00:22:47,517 --> 00:22:48,857 'TIL YOU'RE BLUE IN THE FACE. 346 00:22:48,862 --> 00:22:50,482 IF YOU WANT TO KILL ME, KILL ME, YOU KNOW? 347 00:22:50,482 --> 00:22:52,312 I HAD GOTTEN TO THAT POINT TO WHERE 348 00:22:52,310 --> 00:22:54,480 I JUST COULDN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE. 349 00:23:05,482 --> 00:23:06,762 AND WHEN I GOT BACK, I THOUGHT, 350 00:23:06,758 --> 00:23:09,518 "WELL, HE WOULD HAVE HIS STUFF AND GONE." 351 00:23:12,275 --> 00:23:16,335 BUT HIS STUFF WAS STILL THERE. 352 00:23:16,344 --> 00:23:18,934 I'M THINKING, "WELL, HE'S GOING TO KILL ME," YOU KNOW? 353 00:23:18,931 --> 00:23:22,311 "HE'S ALREADY THREATENED TO SO MANY TIMES IF I LEAVE." 354 00:23:22,310 --> 00:23:24,170 RUBEL? 355 00:23:24,172 --> 00:23:26,832 BUT HE WASN'T THERE. 356 00:23:26,827 --> 00:23:28,757 AND I THOUGHT MAYBE HE MIGHT BE AT ONE OF THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE 357 00:23:28,758 --> 00:23:31,208 VISITING OR SOMETHING. 358 00:23:31,206 --> 00:23:34,376 NONE OF THE NEIGHBORS HAD SEEN HIM. 359 00:23:34,379 --> 00:23:37,619 I'VE ASKED MY FRIENDS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WE KNOW. 360 00:23:37,620 --> 00:23:40,660 NOBODY'S SEEN HIM. 361 00:23:40,655 --> 00:23:43,475 I HAD A BAD FEELING SOMETHING WASN'T RIGHT. 362 00:23:43,482 --> 00:23:45,832 YOU KNOW, YOU JUST GET THOSE FEELINGS. 363 00:24:00,689 --> 00:24:02,069 HEY, DAVID. 364 00:24:02,068 --> 00:24:05,168 UM, I'M LOOKING FOR RUBEL. HAVE YOU SEEN HIM? 365 00:24:05,172 --> 00:24:09,002 HE SAID, "NO, I HAVEN'T SEEN HIM." 366 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:13,480 BUT THERE'S SOMETHING STRANGE ABOUT DAVID. 367 00:24:13,482 --> 00:24:17,312 HE SEEMED LIKE HE WAS OFF A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW? 368 00:24:17,310 --> 00:24:19,830 THE KIND OF FEELING I GOT WAS, "DON'T COME HERE. 369 00:24:19,827 --> 00:24:22,547 IT'S DANGEROUS." 370 00:24:22,551 --> 00:24:25,171 SOMETHING TOLD ME TO LEAVE THAT HOUSE. 371 00:24:31,620 --> 00:24:33,140 I DON'T KNOW. 372 00:24:33,137 --> 00:24:34,967 I DON'T KNOW WHAT GAVE ME THE FEELING OR ANYTHING, 373 00:24:34,965 --> 00:24:37,235 BUT THAT'S THE FEELING THAT I HAD. 374 00:24:40,137 --> 00:24:41,587 I DIDN'T WANT HER TO LOOK FOR HIM, 375 00:24:41,586 --> 00:24:44,166 I WANTED HER TO JUST STAY HOME. 376 00:24:44,172 --> 00:24:47,932 I GOT REALLY UPSET, AND IT DID MAKE ME FEEL LIKE, 377 00:24:47,931 --> 00:24:51,281 "WHEN AM I EVERY GOING TO MATTER ENOUGH FOR YOU TO SAY, 378 00:24:51,275 --> 00:24:53,475 'HEY, I'M DONE.'" 379 00:24:53,482 --> 00:24:56,552 BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I WAS STILL HOLDING OUT HOPE 380 00:24:56,551 --> 00:25:00,211 THAT HE HAD REALLY LEFT AND THAT MY PRAYER HAD BEN ANSWERED. 381 00:25:11,379 --> 00:25:17,069 THERE WERE, LIKE, THREE OR FOUR POLICE CARS IN MY DRIVEWAY. 382 00:25:17,068 --> 00:25:19,068 IS EVERYTHING OKAY? 383 00:25:19,068 --> 00:25:21,758 AND THEY SAID, "IS RUBEL HILL YOUR FATHER?" 384 00:25:21,758 --> 00:25:24,378 AND I SAID, "NO, HE'S MY STEP FATHER." 385 00:25:24,379 --> 00:25:26,309 DO YOU REMEMBER THE LAST TIME YOU SAW HIM? 386 00:25:26,310 --> 00:25:28,410 WE HAVEN'T SEEN HIM IN A WHILE. 387 00:25:28,413 --> 00:25:30,483 AND THEY SAID, "DO YOU KNOW WHERE HE WAS GOING?" 388 00:25:30,482 --> 00:25:32,522 "WE ASSUMED HIS FRIEND DAVID'S HOUSE, 389 00:25:32,517 --> 00:25:33,997 BUT I DON'T KNOW." 390 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,480 AND HE SAID, "DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOUR MOM IS RIGHT NOW?" 391 00:25:37,482 --> 00:25:39,452 AND I SAID, "YEAH, SHE'S AT WORK." 392 00:25:39,448 --> 00:25:42,688 HE SAID, "IS THERE ANYWHERE YOU CAN GO UNTIL SHE GETS HOME?" 393 00:25:42,689 --> 00:25:44,619 AND I WAS LIKE, "WELL, I CAN WALK TO MY FRIEND'S HOUSE. 394 00:25:44,620 --> 00:25:47,100 IT'S JUST RIGHT UP THE ROAD." 395 00:25:47,103 --> 00:25:50,213 SO, I WALKED TO MY FRIEND'S HOUSE, 396 00:25:50,206 --> 00:25:52,826 AND I GO IN, AND THEY'RE WATCHING TV, 397 00:25:52,827 --> 00:25:57,477 AND SHE SAYS, "LOOK... THERE'S POLICE AT DAVID'S HOUSE." 398 00:26:00,172 --> 00:26:04,212 THERE WAS A LITTLE NOTE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN THAT SAYS, 399 00:26:04,206 --> 00:26:07,476 "DOG DRAGS HUMAN HAND INTO NEIGHBOR'S YARD. 400 00:26:07,482 --> 00:26:08,972 GRUESOME DISCOVERY. 401 00:26:08,965 --> 00:26:10,685 MENCY ROAD FARMHOUSE." 402 00:26:10,689 --> 00:26:14,379 LIKE, IT WAS JUST ALL THIS STUFF WAS FLASHING IN FRONT OF ME. 403 00:26:14,379 --> 00:26:17,449 AND, SO, AT THAT POINT, I'M JUST IN SHOCK. 404 00:26:27,689 --> 00:26:30,069 INVESTIGATORS FOUND BODY PARTS. 405 00:26:30,068 --> 00:26:32,898 BURNING OUTSIDE THE HOUSE DAVID SOKOLOWSKI SHARED 406 00:26:32,896 --> 00:26:35,166 WITH HIS GIRLFRIEND, PAMELA ELWOOD. 407 00:26:35,172 --> 00:26:40,032 MY FIRST THOUGHT WHEN I SAW THAT WAS, "HE HAS KILLED PAM. 408 00:26:40,034 --> 00:26:41,624 PAM IS DEAD." 409 00:26:41,620 --> 00:26:45,070 AND I'M, LIKE, UPSET, AND THEN I THOUGHT, 410 00:26:45,068 --> 00:26:48,068 "THE POLICE WERE JUST ASKING ME ABOUT MY STEP-DAD. 411 00:26:48,068 --> 00:26:49,688 DOES HE HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS? 412 00:26:49,689 --> 00:26:51,969 DID HE HELP WITH THIS?" 413 00:26:51,965 --> 00:26:57,275 SO, IN MY MIND, IT WAS DAVID AND MY STEP-FATHER. 414 00:26:57,275 --> 00:26:58,925 HE HELPED DAVID KILL PAM. 415 00:26:58,931 --> 00:27:02,341 AND THEN I SAW MY MOM'S CAR GO BY, SO I'M, LIKE, RUNNING. 416 00:27:02,344 --> 00:27:05,864 I NEED TO BE THERE FOR MY MOM. I NEED TO COMFORT HER. 417 00:27:05,862 --> 00:27:10,312 AND AS I APPROACH THE HOUSE AND I GET RIGHT TO THE DRIVEWAY, 418 00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:12,970 I HEAR HER WAILING. 419 00:27:17,724 --> 00:27:20,834 THEY HAD JUST TOLD HER THAT THEY THOUGHT 420 00:27:20,827 --> 00:27:23,277 DAVID HAD KILLED MY STEP-DAD. 421 00:27:38,034 --> 00:27:40,284 MR. SOKOLOWSKI, 422 00:27:40,275 --> 00:27:41,715 CAN YOU WALK ME THROUGH WHAT HAPPENED? 423 00:27:41,724 --> 00:27:45,104 WHEN ASKED ABOUT THESE BODY PARTS THAT WERE IN THE FIRE, 424 00:27:45,103 --> 00:27:51,213 MR. SOKOLOWSKI INDICATED THAT HE HAD HAD A FIGHT WITH RUBEL HILL 425 00:27:51,206 --> 00:27:55,586 AND THAT IT GOT HEATED AND THAT RUBEL HAD PULLED A GUN 426 00:27:55,586 --> 00:28:00,136 AND THREATENED TO KILL HIM AND THAT HE SHOT RUBEL HILL. 427 00:28:04,862 --> 00:28:07,692 LOOK, MAN, HE WAS GONNA KILL ME, ALL RIGHT? 428 00:28:07,689 --> 00:28:10,239 HE SAYS THAT HE SHOT THE MAN IN SELF-DEFENSE, 429 00:28:10,241 --> 00:28:12,831 WHICH IS ALLOWED BY LAW, 430 00:28:12,827 --> 00:28:17,857 SO, HE'S MADE A STATEMENT THAT'S NOT A CONFESSION. 431 00:28:17,862 --> 00:28:20,932 I DID WHAT ANYONE ELSE WOULD HAVE DONE. 432 00:28:20,931 --> 00:28:23,451 IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE. 433 00:28:23,448 --> 00:28:28,408 HE HAD CHOPPED THIS MAN UP AND PUT HIS REMAINS INTO A FIRE, 434 00:28:28,413 --> 00:28:33,313 AND HE HAD SAVED HIS EARS AND HIS TESTICLES. 435 00:28:35,655 --> 00:28:39,755 THAT ISN'T CONSISTENT WITH ACTING IN SELF-DEFENSE. 436 00:28:47,827 --> 00:28:50,717 "WHY DID YOU BURN THE MAN UP?" 437 00:28:50,724 --> 00:28:53,344 "WELL, WHAT WAS I SUPPOSED TO DO? 438 00:28:53,344 --> 00:28:58,144 I TRIED TO BURY HIM, BUT THAT WAS TOO MUCH TROUBLE." 439 00:28:58,137 --> 00:29:00,237 "'WHAT WAS I SUPPOSED TO DO?' 440 00:29:00,241 --> 00:29:03,901 WELL, YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO CALL THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. 441 00:29:03,896 --> 00:29:05,306 THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO DO 442 00:29:05,310 --> 00:29:07,790 IF THIS WAS A SHOOTING IN SELF-DEFENSE." 443 00:29:16,827 --> 00:29:19,897 AN AUTOPSY IS PERFORMED ON THE BURNED REMAINS, 444 00:29:19,896 --> 00:29:26,616 AND HE WAS SHOT AT LEAST TWICE WITH TWO DIFFERENT GUNS. 445 00:29:26,620 --> 00:29:33,760 HE WAS SHOT WITH A SHOTGUN, AND HE WAS SHOT WITH A PISTOL. 446 00:29:33,758 --> 00:29:36,338 AND ONE OF THOSE SHOTS WAS FRONT-WISE, 447 00:29:36,344 --> 00:29:38,344 AND THE OTHER ONE WAS IN THE BACK. 448 00:29:38,344 --> 00:29:41,074 IT'S HARD FOR YOU TO CLAIM SELF-DEFENSE 449 00:29:41,068 --> 00:29:44,448 WHEN YOU'RE SHOT IN THE BACK. 450 00:29:44,448 --> 00:29:45,828 ALL THE EVIDENCE POINTED TO THE FACT 451 00:29:45,827 --> 00:29:50,997 THAT HE WAS JUST GUNNED DOWN AND JUST... SLAUGHTERED. 452 00:30:04,620 --> 00:30:06,240 I WAS HOPING IT WASN'T HIM. 453 00:30:06,241 --> 00:30:09,001 I WAS HOPING THEY WERE WRONG. 454 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,550 AND THEN THEY MADE A POSITIVE IDENTIFICATION, 455 00:30:11,551 --> 00:30:13,481 AND THEY SAID IT WAS HIM. 456 00:30:16,172 --> 00:30:17,382 I HAD A LOT OF FUN WITH HIM, 457 00:30:17,379 --> 00:30:19,619 AND I HAD A LOT OF BAD TIMES WITH HIM. 458 00:30:23,517 --> 00:30:25,407 IT'S JUST HARD TO EXPLAIN. 459 00:30:25,413 --> 00:30:27,903 IT'S BEEN SO MANY YEARS. 460 00:30:27,896 --> 00:30:30,926 BUT NOBODY DESERVES TO GO THE WAY HE DID... 461 00:30:30,931 --> 00:30:32,411 NOBODY. 462 00:30:32,413 --> 00:30:35,623 NO MATTER WHAT KIND OF PERSON HE WAS. 463 00:30:49,655 --> 00:30:53,095 AS FOR HIS GIRLFRIEND, PAM ELWOOD, 464 00:30:53,103 --> 00:30:55,723 HE DIDN'T KNOW WHERE SHE'D GONE. 465 00:30:55,724 --> 00:30:59,384 HE THOUGHT SHE HAD JUST RUN OFF. 466 00:30:59,379 --> 00:31:03,379 WE HAD FOUR EARS. 467 00:31:03,379 --> 00:31:05,659 ONE EAR THAT HAD AN EARRING IN IT, 468 00:31:05,655 --> 00:31:10,025 WHICH WE INDICATE THAT VICTIM WAS A WOMAN, BUT WE DIDN'T KNOW, 469 00:31:10,034 --> 00:31:14,934 IN FACT, TO CONFIRM THAT THAT PERSON WAS HER. 470 00:31:14,931 --> 00:31:18,171 WE DISCUSSED THE FACT THAT IT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE 471 00:31:18,172 --> 00:31:21,412 TO RUN WHAT WAS CALLED "REVERSE DNA," 472 00:31:21,413 --> 00:31:23,523 WHICH AMOUNTED TO GETTING A SAMPLE 473 00:31:23,517 --> 00:31:26,517 FROM EACH OF HER LIVING PARENTS 474 00:31:26,517 --> 00:31:31,377 AND COMPARING THAT TO THE DNA FROM ONE OF THE EARS. 475 00:31:33,758 --> 00:31:36,858 WE DID THE REVERSE DNA CHECK AND FOUND OUT 476 00:31:36,862 --> 00:31:40,522 THAT THE EAR WITH THE EARRING WAS, IN FACT, HER EAR. 477 00:31:44,275 --> 00:31:46,755 AND ONCE WE FOUND THAT OUT, 478 00:31:46,758 --> 00:31:49,408 WE WERE QUITE SURE THAT SHE WAS DEAD. 479 00:31:57,172 --> 00:31:59,242 I DIDN'T THINK HE WAS CAPABLE OF MURDER. 480 00:31:59,241 --> 00:32:03,341 HE WAS IN TROUBLE FOR PETTY CRIME AND EVERYTHING ELSE, 481 00:32:03,344 --> 00:32:06,344 BUT I DIDN'T... NO. 482 00:32:06,344 --> 00:32:10,904 ESPECIALLY NOT SOMEBODY THAT HE LOVED, 483 00:32:10,896 --> 00:32:12,966 OR THAT PEOPLE THOUGHT HE LOVED, 484 00:32:12,965 --> 00:32:16,205 AND SOMEBODY THAT HE CONSIDERED A BEST FRIEND. 485 00:32:16,206 --> 00:32:20,686 I DIDN'T THINK THAT HE WAS CAPABLE OF THAT. 486 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:31,720 I WAS REALLY SAD THAT I DIDN'T HAVE HER ANYMORE. 487 00:32:31,724 --> 00:32:36,414 AND FOR THAT, I WAS ANGRY WITH DAVID 488 00:32:36,413 --> 00:32:39,103 'CAUSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY HE DIDN'T JUST LET HER LEAVE. 489 00:32:39,103 --> 00:32:40,313 I MEAN, THEY WEREN'T MEANT TO BE. 490 00:32:40,310 --> 00:32:42,380 WHY DIDN'T HE LET HER LEAVE? 491 00:32:45,172 --> 00:32:48,452 I HAD NO IDEA THAT WAS GOING TO BE THE LAST TIME I SAW HER. 492 00:32:53,448 --> 00:32:56,618 I WISH THAT I KNEW ENOUGH THEN TO SAY, "JUST STAY HERE." 493 00:32:56,620 --> 00:32:59,210 "STAY HERE TILL YOUR PARENTS GET HERE," YOU KNOW? 494 00:32:59,206 --> 00:33:01,166 "DON'T GO DOWN THERE." 495 00:33:13,655 --> 00:33:15,095 DAVID'S PRISON RECORD WAS, LIKE, 496 00:33:15,103 --> 00:33:17,033 BREAKING AND ENTERING, DRUG CHARGES. 497 00:33:17,034 --> 00:33:19,794 IT WASN'T HARMING ANYONE. 498 00:33:19,793 --> 00:33:21,143 I DON'T THINK IN A MILLION YEARS 499 00:33:21,137 --> 00:33:23,687 HE THOUGHT DAVID WOULD HURT HIM OR US. 500 00:33:23,689 --> 00:33:25,239 I REALLY DON'T. 501 00:33:25,241 --> 00:33:29,481 AND I TOOK RUBEL AT HIS WORD THAT HE'S HARMLESS, 502 00:33:29,482 --> 00:33:31,482 BUT LOOK WHAT HARMLESS DID. 503 00:33:31,482 --> 00:33:34,692 HARMLESS TORE OUR LIVES TO PIECES. 504 00:33:38,310 --> 00:33:40,720 HE WASN'T HARMLESS IN THE END. 505 00:33:47,206 --> 00:33:50,136 IT WAS VERY ROUGH... 506 00:33:50,137 --> 00:33:52,097 VERY, VERY ROUGH. 507 00:33:55,241 --> 00:33:59,901 WHEN HE GOT KILLED, MY WHOLE LIFE FELL APART. 508 00:33:59,896 --> 00:34:02,336 I DIDN'T SLEEP GOOD, I DIDN'T EAT RIGHT. 509 00:34:02,344 --> 00:34:05,524 I WEIGHED A WHOLE 88 TO 99 POUNDS. 510 00:34:05,517 --> 00:34:09,237 I LOOKED LIKE I WAS AT DEATH'S DOOR. 511 00:34:09,241 --> 00:34:12,001 I WAS SCARED TO BE ALONE. 512 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,790 I WALKED AROUND, AND I'D SEARCHED THE HOUSE, 513 00:34:13,793 --> 00:34:17,693 UNDER THE BEDS, IN THE CLOSET, 514 00:34:17,689 --> 00:34:20,139 THINKING THAT SOMEBODY'S IN THERE TRYING TO HURT US. 515 00:34:24,137 --> 00:34:27,277 IT'S JUST... A BAD FEELING... 516 00:34:27,275 --> 00:34:28,655 BAD, BAD FEELING. 517 00:34:35,413 --> 00:34:38,243 DAVID SOKOLOWSKI HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH THE MURDERS. 518 00:34:38,241 --> 00:34:39,931 OF HIS GIRLFRIEND, PAMELA ELWOOD, 519 00:34:39,931 --> 00:34:41,791 AND HIS FRIEND RUBEL HILL. 520 00:34:41,793 --> 00:34:44,313 PROSECUTORS DON'T BELIEVE SOKOLOWSKI'S CLAIM 521 00:34:44,310 --> 00:34:47,720 THAT HE KILLED HILL IN SELF-DEFENSE. 522 00:34:47,724 --> 00:34:52,034 I FED THIS MAN, AND THEN HE TAKES MY HUSBAND'S LIFE, 523 00:34:52,034 --> 00:34:53,764 AFTER WE WERE GOOD TO HIM AND FED HIM. 524 00:34:53,758 --> 00:34:57,138 IT MAKES YOU ANGRY. 525 00:34:57,137 --> 00:34:58,997 I WAS MAD. I WAS REALLY MAD... 526 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:00,860 BLINDED BY RAGE. 527 00:35:05,827 --> 00:35:07,927 WE WENT TO THE COURTHOUSE. 528 00:35:07,931 --> 00:35:09,721 THEY TAKE HIM OUTSIDE THE COURTHOUSE, 529 00:35:09,724 --> 00:35:13,104 AND I CAN SEE HIM IN MY REARVIEW MIRROR. 530 00:35:13,103 --> 00:35:15,623 AND I SEE HIM STANDING OUTSIDE ON THE STREET 531 00:35:15,620 --> 00:35:17,590 OUTSIDE THE SHERIFF'S CAR. 532 00:35:21,620 --> 00:35:23,000 I HATED HIM. 533 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,450 I WANTED HIM DEAD. 534 00:35:40,620 --> 00:35:44,900 I HATED HIM FOR WHAT HE HAD DONE. 535 00:35:44,896 --> 00:35:48,756 I WANTED HIM DEAD. 536 00:35:48,758 --> 00:35:51,788 SO, I SWUNG THE CAR AROUND, AND I STOMPED THE GAS. 537 00:35:54,620 --> 00:35:59,590 IT WAS GRAVEL THEN, DIRT FLYING EVERYWHERE. 538 00:35:59,586 --> 00:36:03,336 I'M BLINDED BY RAGE. 539 00:36:15,344 --> 00:36:18,384 WE COME TO A SCREECHING HALT. 540 00:36:18,379 --> 00:36:21,999 THE SHERIFFS COME OVER THERE WITH THE GUNS DRAWN, 541 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,170 OPENED UP THE DOOR. 542 00:36:25,172 --> 00:36:29,722 THEY PULL ME OUT, PUT ME ON THE GROUND, PUT HANDCUFFS ON ME. 543 00:36:29,724 --> 00:36:31,624 I DIDN'T CARE. 544 00:36:31,620 --> 00:36:34,410 I JUST WANTED HIM HURT THE WAY I'M HURTING. 545 00:36:42,793 --> 00:36:46,073 BACK THEN, I HAD SO MUCH ANGER AND RAGE IN ME. 546 00:36:46,068 --> 00:36:48,478 I JUST WANTED TO KILL HIM, 547 00:36:48,482 --> 00:36:53,762 AND I'VE NEVER FELT THAT ABOUT ANYBODY BEFORE. 548 00:37:18,517 --> 00:37:22,657 THIS IS THE LETTER THAT I WROTE TO DAVID. 549 00:37:22,655 --> 00:37:24,095 "MY NAME IS AMY FULLER." 550 00:37:24,103 --> 00:37:25,973 LEANN HILL IS MY MOTHER, 551 00:37:25,965 --> 00:37:28,585 AND RUBEL HILL WAS MY STEP-FATHER. 552 00:37:28,586 --> 00:37:31,546 I PRAYED EVERY DAY THAT GOD WOULD REMOVE HIM FROM MY LIFE 553 00:37:31,551 --> 00:37:36,481 SO THAT I WOULD NOT HAVE TO LIVE THE HELL THAT HE DROVE ME TO. 554 00:37:36,482 --> 00:37:38,382 THERE ARE DAYS THAT I CATCH MYSELF 555 00:37:38,379 --> 00:37:41,619 THANKING YOU FOR TAKING THE EVIL AWAY, 556 00:37:41,620 --> 00:37:44,100 BUT THEN I THINK ABOUT PAM. 557 00:37:44,103 --> 00:37:47,383 SHE WAS AN AMAZING WOMAN WHO I LOOKED UP TO. 558 00:37:47,379 --> 00:37:52,139 I LOVED PAM AND NEEDED HER, AND YOU TOOK THAT AWAY FROM ME. 559 00:37:52,137 --> 00:37:55,277 I WAS ANGRY FOR THE LONGEST TIME, BUT OVER THE YEARS, 560 00:37:55,275 --> 00:37:58,715 I'VE REALIZED THAT I CANNOT CARRY THAT BURDEN ANY LONGER. 561 00:37:58,724 --> 00:38:00,724 "AND FOR THAT, I FORGIVE YOU." 562 00:38:05,206 --> 00:38:06,786 I WAITED FOR HIM TO WRITE ME BACK. 563 00:38:06,793 --> 00:38:08,553 HE NEVER DID. 564 00:38:08,551 --> 00:38:11,141 EVERYBODY WHO KNOWS I WROTE THAT THINKS I'M CRAZY 565 00:38:11,137 --> 00:38:13,067 FOR DOING THAT, BUT FOR ME, 566 00:38:13,068 --> 00:38:15,618 I FELT LIKE I NEEDED TO GET THAT OUT. 567 00:38:15,620 --> 00:38:18,310 AND IF YOU DON'T FORGIVE PEOPLE, 568 00:38:18,310 --> 00:38:20,720 THEN YOU HOLD THAT ANGER FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE, 569 00:38:20,724 --> 00:38:23,034 AND I DON'T WANT TO HOLD THAT ANGER. 570 00:38:32,448 --> 00:38:33,928 LEANN AND AMY, 571 00:38:33,931 --> 00:38:39,071 I THINK THAT THEIR LIVES WERE SHATTERED BY THIS KILLING. 572 00:38:39,068 --> 00:38:43,928 I THINK THAT LEANN WAS TOTALLY DEVASTATED BY THIS, 573 00:38:43,931 --> 00:38:47,861 AND SHE HAD AN ANGER THAT I WOULD EXPECT TO PERSIST 574 00:38:47,862 --> 00:38:51,592 THROUGHOUT HER WHOLE LIFE. 575 00:38:51,586 --> 00:38:57,206 I THOUGHT THAT ONCE LEANN PUT HER ANGER ASIDE 576 00:38:57,206 --> 00:38:58,616 AND REALLY FOCUSED ON THINGS, 577 00:38:58,620 --> 00:39:03,140 THAT EVEN SHE COULD RISE UP AND THAT SHE COULD... 578 00:39:03,137 --> 00:39:06,927 HER LIFE COULD TAKE A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. 579 00:39:06,931 --> 00:39:09,521 WHEN I MET AMY, SHE HAD THE ENERGY 580 00:39:09,517 --> 00:39:12,337 THAT YOU WOULD EXPECT OUT OF A 13-YEAR-OLD, 581 00:39:12,344 --> 00:39:16,344 BUT SHE ALSO HAD SORT OF A SADNESS TO HER. 582 00:39:16,344 --> 00:39:22,974 BECAUSE OF WHAT I SAW IN HER, I THOUGHT SHE COULD BE ALL 583 00:39:22,965 --> 00:39:26,025 THAT SHE EVER DREAMED THAT SHE COULD BE. 584 00:39:26,034 --> 00:39:28,484 IT GIVES ME SUCH A GOOD FEELING TO KNOW 585 00:39:28,482 --> 00:39:31,792 THAT HER LIFE HAS TURNED OUT WELL. 586 00:39:31,793 --> 00:39:34,103 I CAN SAY THAT I'M PROUD OF BOTH OF THEM. 587 00:39:34,103 --> 00:39:35,623 I'M PROUD OF LEANN. 588 00:39:35,620 --> 00:39:37,520 I'M PROUD OF AMY. 589 00:39:47,862 --> 00:39:51,452 I COULDN'T TALK TO HER ABOUT HOW I WAS FEELING. 590 00:39:51,448 --> 00:39:55,028 SHE WASN'T AVAILABLE FOR THAT, MENTALLY OR EMOTIONALLY, 591 00:39:55,034 --> 00:39:59,074 BECAUSE SHE WAS JUST ALMOST MENTALLY GONE 592 00:39:59,068 --> 00:40:03,378 AND EMOTIONALLY EXHAUSTED FROM EVERYTHING. 593 00:40:03,379 --> 00:40:08,659 SHE COULD NOT BE THE MOTHER THAT I NEEDED HER TO BE AT THAT TIME. 594 00:40:08,655 --> 00:40:11,445 AND, SO, SHE HAD ASKED ME ONE DAY IF I WANTED TO GO 595 00:40:11,448 --> 00:40:16,068 AND STAY WITH MY GODPARENTS, AND I DIDN'T WANT TO LEAVE HER, 596 00:40:16,068 --> 00:40:21,138 BUT I THINK AT THAT POINT, I FELT THAT SHE NEEDED ME TO. 597 00:40:21,137 --> 00:40:24,027 IT WAS HARD, AND I MISSED HER, AND I SAW HER STILL. 598 00:40:24,034 --> 00:40:25,314 I MEAN, SHE WOULD COME AND SEE ME. 599 00:40:25,310 --> 00:40:28,830 I WOULDN'T SEE HER EVERY DAY, BUT... 600 00:40:28,827 --> 00:40:33,067 IT HURT, BUT IT HELPED ME AT THE SAME TIME. 601 00:40:40,586 --> 00:40:43,896 A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, WE WERE IN THE CAR, 602 00:40:43,896 --> 00:40:47,206 AND WE TALKED, AND I'M CRYING, AND I'M JUST LIKE, 603 00:40:47,206 --> 00:40:48,826 "I JUST WANTED TO STAY WITH YOU. 604 00:40:48,827 --> 00:40:50,787 I JUST WANTED TO BE WITH YOU." 605 00:40:50,793 --> 00:40:52,593 AND SHE GRABBED ME, AND SHE HUGGED ME, 606 00:40:52,586 --> 00:40:55,656 AND SHE SAID, "YOU WON'T EVER LOSE ME AGAIN." 607 00:40:55,655 --> 00:40:58,825 AND THAT MADE ME FEEL GOOD. 608 00:40:58,827 --> 00:41:02,237 IT MADE ME FEEL LIKE "THIS IS WHAT I WANTED FROM YOU." 609 00:41:02,241 --> 00:41:05,901 MY WHOLE ENTIRE LIFE, THIS IS WHAT I WANTED. ♪ 610 00:41:08,068 --> 00:41:10,238 I FEEL LIKE THIS HAS HELPED US. 611 00:41:10,241 --> 00:41:11,691 THIS HAS OPENED A DOOR 612 00:41:11,689 --> 00:41:15,029 WHERE THINGS CAN ONLY BE POSITIVE GOING FORWARD. 613 00:41:25,965 --> 00:41:30,925 YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE JUST CHOKING. 614 00:41:30,931 --> 00:41:33,411 THAT'S THE WAY I FEEL... LIKE I'M CHOKING. 615 00:41:43,275 --> 00:41:45,305 I DIDN'T MAKE GOOD DECISIONS. 616 00:41:45,310 --> 00:41:48,170 I JUST DID NOT. 617 00:41:48,172 --> 00:41:50,482 I THOUGHT I COULD CHANGE HIM. 618 00:41:57,724 --> 00:42:03,694 I KNOW AMY FORGIVES ME, BUT... I DON'T FORGIVE MYSELF. 619 00:42:09,586 --> 00:42:12,826 SHE DIDN'T HAVE A NORMAL CHILDHOOD, 620 00:42:12,827 --> 00:42:15,547 AND SHE'S MADE SURE THAT HER CHILDREN DO. 621 00:42:20,034 --> 00:42:25,974 AGAIN, IT HAS SHATTERED US BOTH INTO A THOUSAND PIECES.