1 00:00:06,206 --> 00:00:09,206 WHEN THEY RELEASED DAD'S BODY TO THE MORTUARY, 2 00:00:09,206 --> 00:00:14,896 I WENT DOWN THERE AND ASKED TO SEE HIM AND SAY GOODBYE TO HIM. 3 00:00:14,896 --> 00:00:17,966 YOU CAN'T LOOK AT SOMEBODY LIKE THAT. 4 00:00:17,965 --> 00:00:19,755 IT'S NOT WHO YOU LOVED. 5 00:00:19,758 --> 00:00:23,408 IT'S NOT WHO YOU KNEW. 6 00:00:23,413 --> 00:00:27,283 YOU HAVE TO LET YOURSELF KNOW THAT HE'S IN A BETTER PLACE 7 00:00:27,275 --> 00:00:29,655 AND BELIEVE THAT. 8 00:00:33,310 --> 00:00:37,340 THIS IS FROM PAGE ONE OF EVERETT POLICE WITNESS STATEMENT. 9 00:00:37,344 --> 00:00:41,284 "ALL I DID IN THIS WAS STAB JERRY TWICE IN THE SAME SPOT 10 00:00:41,275 --> 00:00:44,515 ON HIS LEFT SIDE OF HIS STOMACH. 11 00:00:44,517 --> 00:00:46,547 I ALSO HELPED CLEAN UP THE BLOOD 12 00:00:46,551 --> 00:00:52,481 THAT WAS ALL OVER IN THE WALLS AND ON THE FLOOR." 13 00:00:52,482 --> 00:00:56,792 PEOPLE WHO MURDERED THIS GUY AT SUCH A YOUNG AGE 14 00:00:56,793 --> 00:00:58,973 WITH NO CRIMINAL HISTORY, NO DRUG USE, 15 00:00:58,965 --> 00:01:01,405 NO GANG TIES... 16 00:01:01,413 --> 00:01:04,413 HOW DID THEY GET TALKED INTO THIS? 17 00:01:07,724 --> 00:01:10,624 IT ALL STARTED RIGHT HERE. 18 00:01:13,379 --> 00:01:17,069 I DON'T LIKE BEING IN HERE. 19 00:01:17,068 --> 00:01:20,168 I'M GETTING UPSET ABOUT IT. 20 00:01:20,172 --> 00:01:22,212 THE MEMORIES. 21 00:01:22,206 --> 00:01:24,376 TOO MANY BAD MEMORIES. 22 00:01:27,241 --> 00:01:31,551 IT'S HARD TO GRASP WHAT'S HAPPENED TO HIM, AND... 23 00:01:35,310 --> 00:01:36,480 IT'S HARD. 24 00:01:36,482 --> 00:01:39,212 IT'S JUST TOO HARD TO HOLD ON TO. 25 00:01:49,931 --> 00:01:52,931 Captions by VITAC... www.vitac.com 26 00:01:52,931 --> 00:01:55,931 CAPTIONS PAID FOR BY DISCOVERY COMMUNICATIONS 27 00:02:17,620 --> 00:02:21,660 YEAH, ME AND DAD WERE CLOSE. 28 00:02:21,655 --> 00:02:24,715 HE'S MY DAD, BUT WE WERE GOOD BUDDIES. 29 00:02:24,724 --> 00:02:26,284 WE LIKED DOING THE SAME THINGS, 30 00:02:26,275 --> 00:02:30,275 SO IT WORKED OUT PRETTY GOOD TO HANG OUT WITH EACH OTHER. 31 00:02:33,827 --> 00:02:36,617 YEAH, WE DID HAVE A GREAT TIME. 32 00:02:41,482 --> 00:02:44,032 DAD HAD CALLED ME AND TOLD ME THAT HE HAD CANCER 33 00:02:44,034 --> 00:02:45,624 AND WASN'T GOING TO GET TREATED, 34 00:02:45,620 --> 00:02:49,900 SO I DECIDED I'D BETTER GET OUT THERE AND TALK HIM INTO IT. 35 00:02:49,896 --> 00:02:51,306 I WASN'T READY FOR HIM TO GO. 36 00:02:51,310 --> 00:02:53,210 HE'S STILL YOUNG AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN AROUND 37 00:02:53,206 --> 00:02:55,786 ANOTHER 20 YEARS AT LEAST. 38 00:03:02,931 --> 00:03:06,171 WE FLEW IN, MY EX-WIFE AND I. 39 00:03:06,172 --> 00:03:07,972 WHEN WE GOT TO THE HOUSE, YOU KNOW, 40 00:03:07,965 --> 00:03:09,855 IT LOOKED LIKE NO ONE WAS THERE. 41 00:03:09,862 --> 00:03:12,792 THAT'S FOR SURE. ALL THE BLINDS WERE DRAWN. 42 00:03:12,793 --> 00:03:14,723 THE HOUSE WAS LOCKED UP, 43 00:03:14,724 --> 00:03:16,834 NO LIGHTS ON. 44 00:03:16,827 --> 00:03:21,137 I JUST FIGURED HE'D FORGOT THE TIME, IS WHAT I WAS THINKING. 45 00:03:21,137 --> 00:03:25,687 I WALKED AROUND THE HOUSE, AND I'M CHECKING THE WINDOWS. 46 00:03:25,689 --> 00:03:28,069 I DID FIND ONE THAT WAS UNLOCKED. 47 00:03:31,172 --> 00:03:33,692 WHEN I CAME THROUGH THE WINDOW, 48 00:03:33,689 --> 00:03:36,969 THERE WAS NO TV OR NO COUCH IN THE LIVING ROOM. 49 00:03:36,965 --> 00:03:39,135 IT WAS LIKE SOMEONE HAD MOVED OUT. 50 00:03:41,689 --> 00:03:44,659 YOU LOOK AROUND, AND YOU SAY, "WHAT HAPPENED HERE? 51 00:03:44,655 --> 00:03:47,965 WHERE'D ALL THE STUFF GO? WHERE'S DAD?" 52 00:03:47,965 --> 00:03:51,655 STARTED LOOKING AROUND THE HOUSE. 53 00:03:51,655 --> 00:03:53,965 THAT'S WHEN I FOUND GRANDMA. 54 00:04:02,137 --> 00:04:06,027 MY GRANDMOTHER, EVELYN, GOT ALZHEIMER'S, 55 00:04:06,034 --> 00:04:08,384 AND SHE COULDN'T SPEAK, 56 00:04:08,379 --> 00:04:10,659 AND SHE DIDN'T SHOW MUCH EMOTION HARDLY AT ALL 57 00:04:10,655 --> 00:04:14,825 EXCEPT WHEN SHE LOOKED AT ME AND START CRYING. 58 00:04:14,827 --> 00:04:20,067 GRANDMA LOOKED EXTREMELY TIRED. 59 00:04:20,068 --> 00:04:23,998 SHE WAS VERY FRAIL. 60 00:04:26,310 --> 00:04:28,380 SHE HAD A GLASS OF WATER IN FRONT OF HER. 61 00:04:28,379 --> 00:04:31,999 IT WAS EMPTY AT THAT POINT, 62 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:37,900 AND SHE'D BEEN EATING NEWSPAPER ON THE... 63 00:04:37,896 --> 00:04:39,166 FROM THE... THAT WAS SITTING ON THE TABLE 64 00:04:39,172 --> 00:04:41,622 BECAUSE SHE HAD NOTHING ELSE TO EAT, 65 00:04:41,620 --> 00:04:44,720 SO SHE'D BEEN RIPPING OFF NEWSPAPER AND EATING THAT. 66 00:04:47,137 --> 00:04:48,447 AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT SHE'S THINKING 67 00:04:48,448 --> 00:04:51,408 OR HOW MUCH SHE COULD COMPREHEND, 68 00:04:51,413 --> 00:04:54,833 BUT IT MADE ME MAD 69 00:04:54,827 --> 00:04:59,377 BECAUSE NO ONE WAS THERE TO TAKE CARE OF HER. 70 00:04:59,379 --> 00:05:02,479 DAD MIGHT HAVE LEFT HER ALONE TO RUN TO THE STORE 71 00:05:02,482 --> 00:05:05,452 AND GET A PACK OF CIGARETTES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, 72 00:05:05,448 --> 00:05:10,408 BUT HE WOULD NEVER JUST ABANDON HER FOR ANY LENGTH OF TIME. 73 00:05:20,241 --> 00:05:25,661 I KNEW HER NAME WAS BARBARA, BARBARA OPEL. 74 00:05:25,655 --> 00:05:28,925 HE TOLD ME THAT HE'D HIRED HER AND THAT SHE HAD THREE KIDS, 75 00:05:28,931 --> 00:05:30,831 AND TWO OF THEM WERE UNDER THE AGE OF 10, 76 00:05:30,827 --> 00:05:34,857 AND THE OTHER WAS 14 AT THE TIME, THE OLDER GIRL. 77 00:05:34,862 --> 00:05:39,592 I HAD THOUGHT SHE'D DECIDE TO MOVE OUT WHILE DAD WAS GONE 78 00:05:39,586 --> 00:05:41,616 AND TAKE SOME OF HIS STUFF. 79 00:05:44,655 --> 00:05:46,855 YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LOOKING INWARD, 80 00:05:46,862 --> 00:05:48,692 TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT HAPPENED 81 00:05:48,689 --> 00:05:50,659 AND JUST STARING AT NOTHING, 82 00:05:50,655 --> 00:05:54,825 AND THEN YOU GET SOMETHING THAT CATCHES YOUR INTEREST. 83 00:05:58,310 --> 00:06:02,000 I SAW SOME STAINS ON GRANDMA'S WHEELCHAIR. 84 00:06:05,137 --> 00:06:07,997 IT APPEARED TO BE BLOOD. 85 00:06:20,275 --> 00:06:23,205 THERE WAS A MINOR ACCIDENT IN THE SOUTH END OF TOWN 86 00:06:23,206 --> 00:06:26,516 INVOLVING A U-HAUL TRUCK. 87 00:06:26,517 --> 00:06:33,237 THE U-HAUL TRUCK HAD BEEN REGISTERED TO JERRY HEIMANN. 88 00:06:33,241 --> 00:06:35,761 AND BARBARA OPEL IS IN THE VEHICLE. 89 00:06:39,689 --> 00:06:43,169 MYSELF AND MY PARTNER WERE ASSIGNED TO GO OUT, 90 00:06:43,172 --> 00:06:49,622 MAKE CONTACT WITH BARBARA OPEL AND FIND OUT WHAT SHE KNEW. 91 00:06:49,620 --> 00:06:54,170 SHE WAS STAYING NEARBY AT A LOCAL MOTEL. 92 00:06:59,448 --> 00:07:01,068 - HI. - HI, MISS OPEL? 93 00:07:01,068 --> 00:07:02,688 - YES. - HI. 94 00:07:02,689 --> 00:07:06,619 IT WAS NOISY IN THIS SMALL MOTEL ROOM. 95 00:07:06,620 --> 00:07:12,520 THE TV WAS ON, AND HER KIDS JUMPING ON THE BED. 96 00:07:12,517 --> 00:07:16,897 ALSO ON SCENE WAS JEFFREY GROTE, 97 00:07:16,896 --> 00:07:19,926 THE DRIVER OF THE U-HAUL TRUCK. 98 00:07:19,931 --> 00:07:22,211 NOW, I DID NOT KNOW AT THAT TIME 99 00:07:22,206 --> 00:07:27,446 EXACTLY WHAT HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH EVERYONE THERE WAS. 100 00:07:27,448 --> 00:07:29,408 WHAT'S THIS ABOUT? 101 00:07:29,413 --> 00:07:35,723 BARBARA IS AN AVERAGE-LOOKING MOM IN HER LATE 30s. 102 00:07:35,724 --> 00:07:38,664 WE'RE TRYING TO FIND OUT ABOUT JERRY. 103 00:07:38,655 --> 00:07:40,205 WHAT ABOUT JERRY? 104 00:07:40,206 --> 00:07:41,276 HAVE YOU SEEN HIM LATELY? 105 00:07:41,275 --> 00:07:45,895 WE WANTED TO KNOW WHY WAS EVELYN ABANDONED, 106 00:07:45,896 --> 00:07:50,656 AND WE WANTED TO KNOW IF SHE KNEW WHERE JERRY WAS, 107 00:07:50,655 --> 00:07:54,895 AND SHE REPLIED THAT JERRY KNEW SHE WAS MOVING OUT, 108 00:07:54,896 --> 00:07:57,206 AND SHE HAD NO IDEA WHERE HE WAS 109 00:07:57,206 --> 00:07:59,996 OR WHY HE WASN'T THERE WITH EVELYN. 110 00:08:03,034 --> 00:08:07,074 BARBARA DID GIVE US PERMISSION TO SEARCH THE U-HAUL, 111 00:08:07,068 --> 00:08:11,688 AND WE DID SEARCH IT AND TAKE SEVERAL PHOTOS, 112 00:08:11,689 --> 00:08:17,719 BUT WE FOUND NOTHING UNUSUAL IN THE BACK OF THE U-HAUL. 113 00:08:17,724 --> 00:08:20,284 TOYS, CLOTHES, THE KIND OF THINGS 114 00:08:20,275 --> 00:08:24,165 THAT YOU WOULD EXPECT SOMEONE TO BE MOVING, 115 00:08:24,172 --> 00:08:28,382 GIVEN HER ROLE AT THE HOUSE. 116 00:08:28,379 --> 00:08:31,409 GIVEN THE TOTALITY OF WHAT WE KNEW AT THE TIME, 117 00:08:31,413 --> 00:08:32,763 SOMETHING SEEMED OFF, 118 00:08:32,758 --> 00:08:36,588 BUT WE JUST WEREN'T QUITE SURE WHAT YET. 119 00:08:36,586 --> 00:08:39,206 JEFF GROTE AGREED TO WATCH THE KIDS 120 00:08:39,206 --> 00:08:42,136 WHILE BARBARA WENT DOWN TO THE POLICE STATION 121 00:08:42,137 --> 00:08:44,137 TO GIVE A STATEMENT. 122 00:08:59,103 --> 00:09:02,763 I NEVER REALLY WORRIED ABOUT JEFF. 123 00:09:02,758 --> 00:09:09,898 HE HAD SO MANY FRIENDS, AND JEFF HAD A GOOD JOB, WORKING. 124 00:09:09,896 --> 00:09:13,166 I PRETTY MUCH KNEW WHERE JEFF WAS ALL THE TIME. 125 00:09:19,448 --> 00:09:22,998 JEFF TOLD ME HE WAS GOING SKATING 126 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:27,550 OUT AT THE SKATE DECK IN EVERETT, 127 00:09:27,551 --> 00:09:31,861 AND JEFF WANTED TO STAY AT HIS GRANDMA'S, 128 00:09:31,862 --> 00:09:34,412 AND I HAD NO OBJECTION TO THAT. 129 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:45,340 THE NEXT DAY, I DID NOT HEAR FROM HIM, 130 00:09:45,344 --> 00:09:51,214 AND I HAD CALLED MY MOTHER TO SEE 131 00:09:51,206 --> 00:09:55,236 IF SHE HAD HEARD FROM HIM, AND SHE SAID NO, 132 00:09:55,241 --> 00:10:01,411 AND THAT'S WHEN I STARTED CHECKING WITH HIS FRIENDS. 133 00:10:01,413 --> 00:10:08,243 I ASKED THIS ONE BOY IF HE HAD SEEN JEFF, 134 00:10:08,241 --> 00:10:13,791 AND HE SAYS, "WELL, HE WAS OUT AT THE SKATE DECK WITH HEATHER." 135 00:10:13,793 --> 00:10:18,483 JEFF NEVER MENTIONED THE NAME HEATHER TO ME EVER BEFORE. 136 00:10:18,482 --> 00:10:21,662 I HAD NO IDEA WHO SHE WAS. 137 00:10:21,655 --> 00:10:23,065 I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO. 138 00:10:23,068 --> 00:10:27,718 I NEVER HAVE GONE THROUGH THAT SITUATION BEFORE, 139 00:10:27,724 --> 00:10:32,594 AND I WAS LOST. 140 00:10:45,241 --> 00:10:47,861 WELL, MY FIANCé MET ME OUT IN THE DRIVEWAY. 141 00:10:47,862 --> 00:10:54,142 WHEN I PULLED IN, AND HE SAID, "JEFF HAS BEEN ARRESTED," 142 00:10:54,137 --> 00:10:57,587 AND I SAID, "FOR WHAT?" 143 00:10:57,586 --> 00:10:59,966 AND HE SAID, "FOR MURDER." 144 00:10:59,965 --> 00:11:02,165 AND I SAW IT ON THE NEWS. 145 00:11:02,172 --> 00:11:04,242 PROSECUTORS ALLEGE JEFFREY GROTE. 146 00:11:04,241 --> 00:11:06,031 AS THE PRIMARY KILLER. 147 00:11:06,034 --> 00:11:09,624 I HAD TOTALLY BROKE DOWN RIGHT THEN AND THERE, 148 00:11:09,620 --> 00:11:12,450 AND I SAYS, "WELL, I NEED TO GO SEE HIM. 149 00:11:12,448 --> 00:11:14,308 I WANT TO SEE MY SON." 150 00:11:34,896 --> 00:11:38,966 JUST LOOKING AT IT AND SEEING MY SON. 151 00:11:42,931 --> 00:11:46,411 HE WAS A HAPPY LITTLE BOY. 152 00:11:46,413 --> 00:11:49,033 JEFF HAD NEVER BEEN IN ANY TROUBLE, 153 00:11:49,034 --> 00:11:55,034 NO CRIMINAL HISTORY WHATSOEVER, NEVER BEEN ARRESTED. 154 00:11:55,034 --> 00:11:59,174 I THOUGHT JEFF WAS ON THE RIGHT PATH. 155 00:11:59,172 --> 00:12:07,102 I JUST FOUND IT HARD TO BELIEVE 156 00:12:07,103 --> 00:12:10,033 THAT HE WOULD BE INVOLVED 157 00:12:10,034 --> 00:12:15,244 IN... A MURDER. 158 00:12:15,241 --> 00:12:18,521 HE WAS TOO KIND OF A PERSON, AND... 159 00:12:21,793 --> 00:12:26,413 I HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT HOW DIFFERENT JEFF'S LIFE WOULD BE 160 00:12:26,413 --> 00:12:32,073 IF HE HAD NEVER HAVE MET BARBARA OPEL, NEVER MET HEATHER. 161 00:13:05,896 --> 00:13:08,236 I GOT TO SAY, YOUR MOVES OUT THERE WERE PRETTY IMPRESSIVE. 162 00:13:08,241 --> 00:13:09,861 - ARE YOU KIDDING ME? - NO, YOU'RE... 163 00:13:09,862 --> 00:13:11,002 I WAS A WRECK. 164 00:13:49,034 --> 00:13:51,034 MOM! OH! 165 00:13:51,034 --> 00:13:52,664 WHAT ARE YOU TWO DOING? 166 00:13:52,655 --> 00:13:54,205 THIS IS JEFF. 167 00:13:54,206 --> 00:13:55,826 - MRS. OPEL. PLEASURE. - JEFF. 168 00:14:23,827 --> 00:14:27,307 AT THIS POINT, WE WERE NOT CERTAIN. 169 00:14:27,310 --> 00:14:30,620 THAT WE WERE DEALING WITH A CRIMINAL SITUATION. 170 00:14:30,620 --> 00:14:33,660 WE HAD AN APPARENT ABANDONMENT OF EVELYN, 171 00:14:33,655 --> 00:14:38,475 AND JERRY WAS MISSING, BUT MYSELF AND MY PARTNER 172 00:14:38,482 --> 00:14:42,932 HAD A FEELING THAT THINGS JUST WEREN'T ADDING UP. 173 00:14:42,931 --> 00:14:44,141 I'M SORRY. 174 00:14:44,137 --> 00:14:46,997 I WISH I HAD SOMETHING MORE TO GIVE YOU. I... 175 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,210 WE WANTED TO GET BARBARA DOWN IN A CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT 176 00:14:49,206 --> 00:14:51,516 TO DO AN INTERVIEW. 177 00:14:51,517 --> 00:14:56,617 WE WERE ANXIOUS TO GET INTO THE DETAILS WITH HER. 178 00:15:06,482 --> 00:15:09,342 AT THAT POINT, IT WAS CONFIRMED 179 00:15:09,344 --> 00:15:13,904 THAT THERE WAS BLOOD SPATTER AT THE SCENE. 180 00:15:17,379 --> 00:15:20,479 BLOOD SPATTER WAS ON EVELYN'S WHEELCHAIR. 181 00:15:20,482 --> 00:15:22,452 THERE WAS BLOOD SPATTER ON THE TABLE 182 00:15:22,448 --> 00:15:26,688 SHE WAS SITTING IN FRONT OF, ON THE CEILING FAN 183 00:15:26,689 --> 00:15:30,449 ABOVE THE TABLE, 184 00:15:30,448 --> 00:15:34,278 ON THE WALLS IN THE KITCHEN AND LIVING ROOM. 185 00:15:34,275 --> 00:15:37,715 IT WAS MORE BLOOD THAN COULD BE ACCOUNTED FOR 186 00:15:37,724 --> 00:15:40,414 BY JUST SOMEBODY CUTTING THEMSELVES 187 00:15:40,413 --> 00:15:42,973 OR HAVING ANY KIND OF AN ACCIDENT. 188 00:15:45,137 --> 00:15:48,787 AT THIS PARTICULAR POINT, WE FELT WE HAD A CRIME SCENE, 189 00:15:48,793 --> 00:15:52,283 BUT DID THAT MEAN SOMEBODY WAS INJURED AND HAD LEFT? 190 00:15:52,275 --> 00:15:57,275 DID IT MEAN THAT SOMEBODY WAS MURDERED AT THAT SCENE? 191 00:15:57,275 --> 00:16:00,615 WE WERE HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS, BUT WE REALLY DIDN'T KNOW 192 00:16:00,620 --> 00:16:03,900 BECAUSE WE REALLY HADN'T TALKED WITH ANYBODY YET. 193 00:16:05,931 --> 00:16:09,761 THE DECISION WAS MADE TO BRING JEFF 194 00:16:09,758 --> 00:16:12,898 AND THE CHILDREN DOWN TO THE EVERETT POLICE DEPARTMENT. 195 00:16:26,965 --> 00:16:30,235 WHEN THEY DETERMINED THERE WAS A LOT OF BLOOD ON THE STUFF, 196 00:16:30,241 --> 00:16:32,071 THEY NEEDED TO MAKE IT A CRIME SCENE, 197 00:16:32,068 --> 00:16:35,338 SO THAT AFTERNOON, THEY KICKED US OUT. 198 00:16:35,344 --> 00:16:37,624 WHEN THE HOUSE BECOMES A CRIME SCENE, 199 00:16:37,620 --> 00:16:39,660 IT'S A HELPLESS FEELING. 200 00:16:39,655 --> 00:16:44,025 IT'S A FEELING OF DREAD. 201 00:16:44,034 --> 00:16:48,864 IT WAS VERY DISTRESSING BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. 202 00:16:48,862 --> 00:16:50,282 WITH GRANDMA, THERE WAS NO WAY FOR HER 203 00:16:50,275 --> 00:16:52,965 TO COMMUNICATE WHAT SHE SAW. 204 00:16:52,965 --> 00:16:55,305 SHE'S THE ONLY WITNESS. 205 00:16:55,310 --> 00:16:58,550 YOUR MIND AUTOMATICALLY STARTS GOING TO THE WORST SCENARIO, 206 00:16:58,551 --> 00:17:00,551 THAT HE'S NOT COMING BACK. 207 00:17:13,931 --> 00:17:20,071 SHE JUST INSISTED THAT SHE HAD NO IDEA WHERE JERRY WAS, 208 00:17:20,068 --> 00:17:21,718 THAT SHE DIDN'T ABANDON EVELYN, 209 00:17:21,724 --> 00:17:24,104 THAT JERRY SHOULD HAVE BEEN THERE TO TAKE CARE OF HER, 210 00:17:24,103 --> 00:17:29,143 AND IT REALLY WASN'T PROGRESSING AT THAT POINT BEYOND THAT. 211 00:17:29,137 --> 00:17:33,407 THINGS CHANGED, AND CHANGED DRAMATICALLY, 212 00:17:33,413 --> 00:17:34,863 WHEN THE DETECTIVES 213 00:17:34,862 --> 00:17:37,792 WHO WERE INTERVIEWING HER MINOR CHILDREN... 214 00:17:37,793 --> 00:17:39,973 - FORTIN. - YEAH? 215 00:17:39,965 --> 00:17:43,615 ...TOLD US THAT THE YOUNG DAUGHTER 216 00:17:43,620 --> 00:17:47,930 HAD SAID THAT JERRY IS DEAD. 217 00:17:47,931 --> 00:17:50,691 AND IN FACT, THE 11-YEAR-OLD SAID, 218 00:17:50,689 --> 00:17:54,689 "I CAN TAKE YOU TO JERRY'S BODY." 219 00:18:07,586 --> 00:18:13,546 THE YOUNG DAUGHTER HAD SAID THAT JERRY IS DEAD, 220 00:18:13,551 --> 00:18:14,931 AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY, 221 00:18:14,931 --> 00:18:19,001 HER 11-YEAR-OLD SON GAVE US EVEN MORE DETAILS, 222 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,070 AND IN FACT, THE 11-YEAR-OLD SAID, 223 00:18:22,068 --> 00:18:26,098 "I CAN TAKE YOU TO JERRY'S BODY." 224 00:18:35,724 --> 00:18:39,794 JERRY'S BODY HAD BEEN DUMPED IN THE WOODS. 225 00:18:41,965 --> 00:18:48,135 HE HAD BEEN BRUTALLY BEAT, STABBED. 226 00:18:48,137 --> 00:18:50,407 HIS SKULL HAD BEEN BASHED IN, 227 00:18:50,413 --> 00:18:54,973 AND ACCORDING TO THE MEDICAL EXAMINER'S REPORT, 228 00:18:54,965 --> 00:18:58,585 IT WAS THOSE HEAD INJURIES THAT CAUSED DEATH. 229 00:19:00,965 --> 00:19:06,715 ALSO, THERE WAS DISCOLORATION OF HIS FACE 230 00:19:06,724 --> 00:19:10,554 BECAUSE IN THE AFTERMATH, THEY POURED ACID ON HIS FACE. 231 00:19:14,896 --> 00:19:16,446 WE GOT A CLEARER PICTURE 232 00:19:16,448 --> 00:19:20,308 OF JUST HOW HORRIFIC THE SITUATION HAD BEEN. 233 00:19:34,103 --> 00:19:35,623 I DON'T REMEMBER BEING TOLD. 234 00:19:35,620 --> 00:19:38,210 I KNOW I WAS, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER IT, 235 00:19:38,206 --> 00:19:40,136 PROBABLY BLOCKED IT OUT. 236 00:19:49,137 --> 00:19:55,307 WE HAD BEEN UP FOR SOMEWHERE AROUND A TOTAL OF 36 HOURS 237 00:19:55,310 --> 00:19:57,480 WHEN I HAD TO MEET GREG. 238 00:19:59,827 --> 00:20:03,447 I HAPPENED TO JUST TAKE A MOMENT 239 00:20:03,448 --> 00:20:09,658 AND JUST BASICALLY SAY, "I'M SO SORRY FOR YOUR LOSS." 240 00:20:12,344 --> 00:20:15,694 WHEN GREG LOOKS AT ME WITH BIG EYES, 241 00:20:15,689 --> 00:20:19,029 I KNEW INSTANTLY, BEFORE HE SAID ANYTHING, 242 00:20:19,034 --> 00:20:23,554 THAT HE HAD NOT BEEN OFFICIALLY, IF YOU WILL, NOTIFIED. 243 00:20:28,172 --> 00:20:31,592 I HAD THE IDEA THAT GREG HAD BEEN ADVISED 244 00:20:31,586 --> 00:20:34,546 OF THE FACT THAT HIS DAD WAS DEAD. 245 00:20:39,620 --> 00:20:41,620 IT'S JUST ONE OF THE MANY THINGS THAT I REMEMBER 246 00:20:41,620 --> 00:20:44,660 IN KIND OF THE FOG OF THAT 30th HOUR, 247 00:20:44,655 --> 00:20:47,995 SO TO SPEAK, THAT I FELT... 248 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,000 I FELT BAD ABOUT THAT. 249 00:20:56,379 --> 00:20:58,239 THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS I CAN'T REMEMBER. 250 00:20:58,241 --> 00:20:59,621 ABOUT THOSE TIMES, 251 00:20:59,620 --> 00:21:03,660 AND IT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE I BLOCKED IT OUT OF MY MIND. 252 00:21:03,655 --> 00:21:07,305 IT TAKES YOUR BREATH AWAY. 253 00:21:07,310 --> 00:21:09,450 IT TAKES YOUR HOPE AWAY. 254 00:21:09,448 --> 00:21:10,658 IT TAKES A LOT AWAY. 255 00:21:10,655 --> 00:21:12,925 IT TAKES YOUR DAD AWAY. 256 00:21:16,793 --> 00:21:19,483 EVERYTHING JUST BECOMES NUMB. 257 00:21:19,482 --> 00:21:22,692 YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT TO THINK, DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO. 258 00:21:29,689 --> 00:21:34,829 YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT SOMETHING YOU DON'T WANT TO ACCEPT AT ALL. 259 00:21:52,965 --> 00:21:55,965 I WALKED BY MY OFFICE, GRABBED A LARGE BINDER 260 00:21:55,965 --> 00:22:03,135 THAT WAS ABOUT 3 INCHES THICK FROM ANOTHER CASE, 261 00:22:03,137 --> 00:22:09,897 WALKED INTO THE ROOM, SLAMMED THE BINDER DOWN ON THE DESK 262 00:22:09,896 --> 00:22:13,236 AND SAID, "BARBARA, WE KNOW JERRY'S DEAD. 263 00:22:13,241 --> 00:22:15,481 YOU NEED TO TELL US WHAT HAPPENED." 264 00:22:18,241 --> 00:22:22,791 IT WAS RELATIVELY EASY TO GET THE TRUTH FROM HER. 265 00:22:24,827 --> 00:22:27,967 BARBARA DID PAINT A NEGATIVE PICTURE OF JERRY. 266 00:22:27,965 --> 00:22:31,995 SHE SAID THAT HE WAS VERBALLY ABUSIVE. 267 00:23:57,482 --> 00:24:02,342 I'M REALLY FRUSTRATED LISTENING TO THAT. 268 00:24:02,344 --> 00:24:04,074 I DON'T BELIEVE HER. 269 00:24:04,068 --> 00:24:06,758 I THINK SHE'S A LIAR. 270 00:24:06,758 --> 00:24:11,068 SHE'S MISLEADING EVERYBODY, 271 00:24:11,068 --> 00:24:13,998 ALL THE AUTHORITIES AND ALL THE DETECTIVES. 272 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:19,410 I THINK SHE WANTED TO HAVE THE BLAME ON SOMEBODY ELSE. 273 00:24:19,413 --> 00:24:22,413 I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL EVER KNOW THE TRUTH. 274 00:24:37,137 --> 00:24:40,067 I'M DOWN IN THE ROOM WITH DAD. 275 00:24:40,068 --> 00:24:44,168 THEY RECOMMENDED I NOT REMOVE THE SHEET THAT'S ON HIM 276 00:24:44,172 --> 00:24:48,312 BECAUSE HE'D BEEN OUT IN THE WOODS FOR SO MANY DAYS, 277 00:24:48,310 --> 00:24:51,790 SO, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T LOOK AT HIM. 278 00:24:51,793 --> 00:24:55,693 YOU CAN TOUCH HIS HAND THROUGH THE SHEET. 279 00:24:55,689 --> 00:24:58,899 THAT'S ABOUT ALL YOU CAN DO, AND YOU SAY GOODBYE. 280 00:24:58,896 --> 00:25:03,376 "I LOVE YOU, DAD." 281 00:25:06,137 --> 00:25:09,277 "I'M SORRY I WASN'T THERE TO TAKE CARE OF YOU." 282 00:25:28,379 --> 00:25:31,549 I DIDN'T WANT TO BELIEVE THAT IT HAD EVEN HAPPENED. 283 00:25:31,551 --> 00:25:34,311 I WANTED TO GET HIM OUT OF THERE 284 00:25:34,310 --> 00:25:37,030 BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO BELIEVE IT WAS TRUE. 285 00:25:39,517 --> 00:25:43,547 THE FIRST VISIT WITH JEFF, 286 00:25:43,551 --> 00:25:48,241 IT WAS HARD TO SEE HIM WHERE HE WAS, 287 00:25:48,241 --> 00:25:50,721 NOT BEING ABLE TO GIVE HIM A HUG. 288 00:25:53,793 --> 00:25:57,763 I BROKE DOWN. 289 00:25:57,758 --> 00:26:00,658 I DID WANT TO KNOW THE DETAILS OF WHAT HAPPENED 290 00:26:00,655 --> 00:26:04,445 AND WHY JEFF WAS INVOLVED IN THIS MURDER, 291 00:26:04,448 --> 00:26:10,718 AND I WANTED TO ASK JEFF HIMSELF AND GO FROM THERE. 292 00:26:14,137 --> 00:26:19,277 I BELIEVE I DID ASK JEFF ABOUT HIS INVOLVEMENT 293 00:26:19,275 --> 00:26:23,025 AND THAT'S WHEN JEFF TOLD ME, HE GOES, 294 00:26:23,034 --> 00:26:26,934 "MOM, I WAS THERE." 295 00:26:26,931 --> 00:26:29,411 I'M SORRY. 296 00:26:41,034 --> 00:26:43,624 I NEED SOME HELP. 297 00:26:43,620 --> 00:26:46,070 YOU'VE GOT FRIENDS, RIGHT? 298 00:27:30,344 --> 00:27:32,864 IT'LL BE WORTH IT LATER. 299 00:29:27,034 --> 00:29:31,724 COME ON, LADIES. GET UP THERE. 300 00:29:31,724 --> 00:29:35,834 GO UP THERE AND HELP JEFF! GET UP THERE! 301 00:29:48,241 --> 00:29:50,861 GET HIM TO SHUT UP ALREADY! 302 00:30:21,862 --> 00:30:23,312 THEY WERE DISTRESSED. 303 00:30:23,310 --> 00:30:28,340 THEY WERE IN TEARS, AND BARBARA CHIDED THEM TO, 304 00:30:28,344 --> 00:30:30,624 "FINISH WHAT YOU STARTED." 305 00:30:32,620 --> 00:30:34,410 SHE WAS THE CHEERLEADER. 306 00:30:34,413 --> 00:30:35,863 EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE THE PERPETRATORS, 307 00:30:35,862 --> 00:30:37,972 AND THEY'RE DOING IT, IT MUST SEEM TO SURREAL TO THEM. 308 00:30:37,965 --> 00:30:39,925 AT TIMES, IT WOULD ONLY SEEM NATURAL 309 00:30:39,931 --> 00:30:42,621 THAT THEY WOULD GET SECOND THOUGHTS, 310 00:30:42,620 --> 00:30:46,380 BUT SHE WAS THE MOTIVATOR TO GET THEM BACK 311 00:30:46,379 --> 00:30:50,519 INTO THE ASSAULT MODE DURING THOSE TIMES OF HESITATION. 312 00:30:58,896 --> 00:31:01,546 DURING THE ENTIRE ASSAULT ON JERRY, 313 00:31:01,551 --> 00:31:04,071 THE 7-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER AND THE 11-YEAR-OLD SON 314 00:31:04,068 --> 00:31:11,928 WERE DOWNSTAIRS LISTENING TO THIS WHOLE THING GO DOWN, 315 00:31:11,931 --> 00:31:16,901 AND ONE CAN ONLY IMAGINE THE SOUNDS THAT THEY HEARD. 316 00:31:28,586 --> 00:31:31,516 NONE OF THESE JUVENILES HAD ANY KIND OF CRIMINAL HISTORY, 317 00:31:31,517 --> 00:31:34,407 AND THAT'S ONE OF THE CURIOUS THINGS ABOUT, 318 00:31:34,413 --> 00:31:37,903 YOU KNOW, THIS WHOLE SITUATION IS HOW YOUNG, 319 00:31:37,896 --> 00:31:41,336 INNOCENT THESE KIDS WERE. 320 00:31:41,344 --> 00:31:47,694 BARBARA PROMISED HEATHER A BICYCLE, 321 00:31:47,689 --> 00:31:51,999 PROMISED OTHERS SMALL AMOUNTS OF CASH. 322 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:57,720 BARBARA ALLOWED JEFF TO HAVE SEX WITH HEATHER. 323 00:31:57,724 --> 00:32:01,214 SHE WAS JUST A MASTER MANIPULATOR 324 00:32:01,206 --> 00:32:03,336 OF YOUNG, VULNERABLE KIDS 325 00:32:03,344 --> 00:32:08,284 AND WAS ABLE SOMEHOW TO PULL THIS OFF. 326 00:32:08,275 --> 00:32:10,965 WELL, I THINK TO DESCRIBE BARBARA 327 00:32:10,965 --> 00:32:15,165 AS HAVING HER OWN LITTLE CULT IS VERY ACCURATE, 328 00:32:15,172 --> 00:32:17,762 BUT IN BARBARA'S CONVOLUTED MIND, 329 00:32:17,758 --> 00:32:21,028 SHE THOUGHT THAT ONCE JERRY WAS DEAD, 330 00:32:21,034 --> 00:32:26,144 SHE WOULD HAVE UNRESTRAINED ACCESS TO HIS MONEY. 331 00:32:26,137 --> 00:32:28,967 PROSECUTORS SAY THE MOTIVE HERE IS SIMPLE... 332 00:32:28,965 --> 00:32:32,305 OPEL KNEW WHERE THE VICTIM HAD STASHED $40,000. 333 00:32:32,310 --> 00:32:35,760 WHAT POLICE AND PROSECUTORS SAY THEY CAN'T YET EXPLAIN 334 00:32:35,758 --> 00:32:39,588 IS WHY SHE WOULD EXPOSE YOUNG CHILDREN TO BLOODY, 335 00:32:39,586 --> 00:32:41,406 BRUTAL MURDER. 336 00:32:47,275 --> 00:32:50,825 YES, BECAUSE OF THE MEMORIES OF IT. 337 00:32:50,827 --> 00:32:53,827 GROTE WAS PROMISED A CAR AND SOME CLOTHING. 338 00:32:53,827 --> 00:32:56,407 ACCORDING TO COURT DOCUMENTS, TEENS, INCLUDING 339 00:32:56,413 --> 00:32:58,343 OPEL'S 14-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER, 340 00:32:58,344 --> 00:33:03,834 WERE TO BE PAID $200 TO $300 TO HELP KILL HEIMANN. 341 00:33:03,827 --> 00:33:05,517 THE STATEMENT MAKES SENSE, 342 00:33:05,517 --> 00:33:12,307 BUT AS FAR AS JEFF'S INVOLVEMENT, 343 00:33:12,310 --> 00:33:18,660 I DON'T SEE HOW HE LOWERED HIMSELF... 344 00:33:18,655 --> 00:33:20,655 I... 345 00:33:20,655 --> 00:33:23,095 THAT'S A PART I DON'T UNDERSTAND. 346 00:33:32,655 --> 00:33:35,095 BARBARA OPEL IS ACCUSED OF THE UNTHINKABLE... 347 00:33:35,103 --> 00:33:37,793 RECRUITING HER OWN KIDS TO KILL. 348 00:33:37,793 --> 00:33:40,313 SHE PLANNED THE MURDER OF AN INNOCENT MAN, 349 00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:42,340 DESTROYED THE LIVES OF KIDS 350 00:33:42,344 --> 00:33:46,764 AND ABANDONED THE 89-YEAR-OLD WOMAN SHE WAS CARING FOR. 351 00:33:46,758 --> 00:33:49,858 SHE'S A VERY EVIL PERSON. SHE RUINED A LOT OF LIVES. 352 00:33:49,862 --> 00:33:54,412 ALL THOSE KIDS, OUR FAMILIES, 353 00:33:54,413 --> 00:33:56,383 NONE OF US WILL EVER GET OVER IT. 354 00:34:00,551 --> 00:34:08,341 SHE HAD THIS EVIL IN HER, AND YOU COULD SEE IT IN HER. 355 00:34:13,068 --> 00:34:15,518 THE DEFENSE LAWYERS TRIED TO PAINT DAD 356 00:34:15,517 --> 00:34:18,757 AS AN ABUSIVE, MEAN DRUNK. 357 00:34:18,758 --> 00:34:21,658 I GUESS I FELT THAT FOR THE PAIN THAT WAS CAUSED TO 358 00:34:21,655 --> 00:34:23,685 HEATHER THAT HE DESERVED IT. 359 00:34:23,689 --> 00:34:28,789 THE LAWYERS AND BARBARA SHOULD ROT IN HELL 360 00:34:28,793 --> 00:34:30,243 FOR TRYING TO DO THAT, 361 00:34:30,241 --> 00:34:34,791 RUIN SOMEBODY'S REPUTATION THAT THEY MURDERED. 362 00:34:34,793 --> 00:34:38,593 DAD HAD BROUGHT THIS FAMILY INTO HIS HOUSE, 363 00:34:38,586 --> 00:34:40,966 LET THEM LIVE UNDER HIS ROOF 364 00:34:40,965 --> 00:34:43,405 AND BUYING THE FOOD AND PAYING THEM, 365 00:34:43,413 --> 00:34:44,863 SO HE KNEW ALL THESE KIDS, 366 00:34:44,862 --> 00:34:49,002 BUT HE DIDN'T KNOW WHY THEY WOULD WANT TO KILL HIM, 367 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,550 WHY THEY WERE HITTING HIM WITH A BAT, 368 00:34:50,551 --> 00:34:53,661 WHY THEY WERE STABBING HIM. 369 00:34:53,655 --> 00:34:58,445 ALL HE COULD THINK TO SAY WAS, "WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS? WHY?" 370 00:35:00,482 --> 00:35:03,592 DAD HAD A LITTLE MONEY IN THE BANK, AND SHE WANTED IT. 371 00:35:18,275 --> 00:35:20,545 TRYING TO COPE WITH WHAT HAPPENED, 372 00:35:20,551 --> 00:35:25,451 THERE'S A LOT OF PAIN, A LOT OF HEARTACHE, ANGUISH, 373 00:35:25,448 --> 00:35:27,098 SO YOU TURN TO WHATEVER HELPS YOU. 374 00:35:27,103 --> 00:35:31,553 IN MY CASE, ALCOHOL. 375 00:35:31,551 --> 00:35:34,831 I DESTROYED MY LIFE AS IT WAS. 376 00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:40,210 I ALLOWED IT TO GET TO ME TOO MUCH, 377 00:35:40,206 --> 00:35:44,096 I GUESS, IS WHAT HAPPENED. 378 00:35:44,103 --> 00:35:46,453 I SPLIT UP WITH MY EX-WIFE, 379 00:35:46,448 --> 00:35:49,478 AND ALL I DID WAS JUST IDLE BY FOR A LOT OF YEARS. 380 00:35:49,482 --> 00:35:52,482 AFTER A WHILE, YOU'RE ABLE TO COPE WITHOUT THE ALCOHOL, 381 00:35:52,482 --> 00:35:56,072 SO YOU COPE WITH IT, AND YOU LEARN TO LIVE WITH IT, 382 00:35:56,068 --> 00:35:58,238 BUT YOU NEVER GET OVER IT. 383 00:36:09,689 --> 00:36:13,549 JERRY WAS, BY ALL ACCOUNTS, LOVING OF THE KIDS. 384 00:36:13,551 --> 00:36:14,761 HE LOVED THE KIDS. 385 00:36:14,758 --> 00:36:17,338 HE TREATED THEM ACCORDINGLY. 386 00:36:17,344 --> 00:36:20,794 BY ALL WITNESSES, BY ALL NEIGHBORS, 387 00:36:20,793 --> 00:36:23,693 IN TALKING TO HIS SON AND CONVERSATIONS 388 00:36:23,689 --> 00:36:26,279 HE HAD HAD WITH HIS DAD PREVIOUSLY ABOUT BARBARA, 389 00:36:26,275 --> 00:36:29,235 HE WAS JUST A GREAT GUY. 390 00:36:33,827 --> 00:36:37,167 THERE IS NO EXPLAINING THE UNEXPLAINABLE SOMETIMES. 391 00:36:37,172 --> 00:36:40,282 WHAT IS INCONCEIVABLE TO US OBVIOUSLY 392 00:36:40,275 --> 00:36:42,855 WAS VERY CONCEIVABLE TO BARBARA, 393 00:36:42,862 --> 00:36:47,142 AND THE CRUX OF THE ENTIRE STORY 394 00:36:47,137 --> 00:36:52,167 AND HOW UNUSUAL IT WAS WAS THESE INNOCENT YOUNG KIDS 395 00:36:52,172 --> 00:36:55,552 BEING TALKED INTO COMMITTING SUCH A HORRIFIC CRIME. 396 00:36:58,379 --> 00:37:01,689 THIS IS FROM PAGE ONE OF EVERETT POLICE WITNESS STATEMENT 397 00:37:01,689 --> 00:37:04,239 BY HEATHER OPEL. 398 00:37:04,241 --> 00:37:08,071 "ALL I DID IN THIS WAS STAB JERRY TWICE IN THE SAME SPOT 399 00:37:08,068 --> 00:37:11,138 ON HIS LEFT SIDE OF HIS STOMACH. 400 00:37:11,137 --> 00:37:15,617 I ALSO HELPED CLEAN UP THE BLOOD THAT WAS ALL OVER IN THE WALLS 401 00:37:15,620 --> 00:37:17,550 AND ON THE FLOOR. 402 00:37:17,551 --> 00:37:19,341 WHEN WE WENT TO DUMP THE BODY, 403 00:37:19,344 --> 00:37:24,244 ALL I DID WAS THROW MY BAT THAT WE KILLED JERRY 404 00:37:24,241 --> 00:37:28,411 "WITH INTO THE WOODS AND GOT BACK INTO THE CAR." 405 00:37:30,965 --> 00:37:34,445 HEATHER, TO MY KNOWLEDGE IN EVERYTHING I READ AND HEARD, 406 00:37:34,448 --> 00:37:38,898 I SAW NOTHING THAT REALLY EXPRESSED REMORSE. 407 00:37:38,896 --> 00:37:41,336 I DO THINK IN HER MIND THAT IT WAS JUSTIFIED, 408 00:37:41,344 --> 00:37:44,314 AND I DO THINK SHE WAS TOTALLY BRAINWASHED BY HER MOTHER, 409 00:37:44,310 --> 00:37:49,450 AND I THINK SHE WOULD HAVE DID THAT AND MORE IF TOLD TO. 410 00:37:49,448 --> 00:37:52,618 I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF A CRIME LIKE THIS PRIOR, 411 00:37:52,620 --> 00:37:57,790 AND I'VE NEVER SEEN ONE SUBSEQUENTLY LIKE THIS ONE. 412 00:37:57,793 --> 00:38:00,483 EVERYONE IS A VICTIM HERE. 413 00:38:24,275 --> 00:38:30,855 MY SON WAS IN JAIL FOR MURDER. 414 00:38:30,862 --> 00:38:33,242 THAT'S THE DAY I LOST MY SON. 415 00:38:39,379 --> 00:38:43,279 I FEEL GUILTY BECAUSE MAYBE I WASN'T THERE ENOUGH FOR JEFF. 416 00:38:43,275 --> 00:38:46,825 YOU KNOW, YOU ALWAYS HAVE QUESTIONS IN YOUR OWN MIND 417 00:38:46,827 --> 00:38:50,997 OF WHAT YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE AND COULD HAVE DONE, AND... 418 00:38:58,862 --> 00:39:03,692 I'M HOPING SOMEDAY MY SON COULD TELL ME THE TRUTH 419 00:39:03,689 --> 00:39:05,309 OR TELL ME THE STORY, 420 00:39:05,310 --> 00:39:11,550 WHAT HIS INVOLVEMENT WAS IN IT, JUST TO EASE ME. 421 00:39:28,620 --> 00:39:31,240 JEFF SAID HE DID THAT? 422 00:39:35,517 --> 00:39:40,097 JEFF NEVER TOLD ME THAT HE DID THAT. 423 00:39:40,103 --> 00:39:44,523 I GUESS THAT'S WHY HE DOESN'T WANT TO... 424 00:39:44,517 --> 00:39:46,757 ME TO BE HURT AND UPSET. 425 00:39:56,689 --> 00:39:59,339 YES, JEFF WAS THERE. 426 00:40:10,965 --> 00:40:13,235 HELLO? HOW ARE YOU? 427 00:40:13,241 --> 00:40:16,901 Hey. I'm good, tired. 428 00:40:16,896 --> 00:40:18,826 YEAH? HOW WAS YOUR WORKOUT? 429 00:40:18,827 --> 00:40:19,967 Good. 430 00:40:19,965 --> 00:40:22,275 HE CALLS ME THREE OR FOUR TIMES A WEEK, 431 00:40:22,275 --> 00:40:31,405 AND WE CHIT-CHAT ALL THE TIME ON THE PHONE, AND... 432 00:40:31,413 --> 00:40:37,483 I MISS OUR CONNECTION, HUGS AND DOING STUFF TOGETHER, 433 00:40:37,482 --> 00:40:40,902 BUT I STILL HURT FROM IT, 434 00:40:40,896 --> 00:40:45,336 AND I PROBABLY ALWAYS WILL UNTIL HE'S PHYSICALLY OUT. 435 00:40:50,793 --> 00:40:52,003 All right. 436 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,380 - ALL RIGHT. - See you Monday? 437 00:40:53,379 --> 00:40:55,209 - YEP, YOU'LL SEE ME MONDAY. - All right. 438 00:40:55,206 --> 00:40:56,786 - ALL RIGHT. I LOVE... - I love you. 439 00:40:56,793 --> 00:40:59,833 I LOVE YOU, TOO. BYE-BYE. 440 00:41:01,310 --> 00:41:05,760 RIGHT NOW THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO ME IS HIS RELEASE. 441 00:41:05,758 --> 00:41:10,068 I BELIEVE JEFF DESERVES A SECOND CHANCE AT LIFE. 442 00:41:10,068 --> 00:41:12,858 THAT LAST DAY, WHEN JEFF IS RELEASED, 443 00:41:12,862 --> 00:41:15,622 WILL BE... 444 00:41:23,034 --> 00:41:27,764 ...PROBABLY ONE OF THE HAPPIEST DAYS OF MY LIFE, 445 00:41:27,758 --> 00:41:32,478 AND I'M SURE IT'LL BE ONE OF HIS HAPPIEST DAYS. 446 00:41:58,965 --> 00:42:01,965 REDEMPTION CAN BE HAD FOR A LOT OF THINGS, 447 00:42:01,965 --> 00:42:06,135 BUT I WOULD NOT CALL THIS ONE OF THEM. 448 00:42:06,137 --> 00:42:07,587 NO ONE DESERVES A SECOND CHANCE 449 00:42:07,586 --> 00:42:10,406 AFTER DOING THAT TO ANOTHER HUMAN BEING. 450 00:42:10,413 --> 00:42:13,173 DEATH PENALTY WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER 451 00:42:13,172 --> 00:42:15,212 BECAUSE THEY WOULD FEEL THE FEAR THAT DAD FELT 452 00:42:15,206 --> 00:42:18,966 WHEN HE WAS BEING MURDERED, 453 00:42:18,965 --> 00:42:23,545 AND I'D LIKED TO HAD THEM FEEL THAT KIND OF FEAR. 454 00:42:23,551 --> 00:42:27,211 HE WAS A GOOD MAN WITH A GOOD HEART. 455 00:42:27,206 --> 00:42:29,306 I MISS HIM A LOT.