I SAID, "HOW LONG DID IT TAKE?"
AND SHE SAID, "7 1/2 MINUTES."
AND I... "WHAT?"
AND SHE SAID, "WHAT I'M SAYING, ROBERT,
"IS IF HE HAD QUIT IN 7 1/2 MINUTES,
SHE WOULD HAVE STARTED BREATHING AGAIN."
STILL, TODAY, I CAN LOOK AT A CLOCK
AND LOOK RIGHT BACK AT IT, AND IT'S 7 1/2 MINUTES LATER.
IT'S AMAZING
WHAT GOES ON IN YOUR LIFE IN 7 1/2 MINUTES.
SHE WAS FOUND IN A FIELD, NUDE.
SHE HAD BEEN STABBED.
THERE WAS AN OLD, ABANDONED TROLLEY CAR,
AND HER NURSING UNIFORM IS UNDERNEATH THE FLOORBOARD.
IT WAS CLEAR THAT TONI HAD BEEN MURDERED
IN THAT ABANDONED OLD TROLLEY CAR.
SHE HAD HER LIFE IN FRONT OF HER.
HER YOUNGEST SISTER, KATIE, THE MORNING SHE WAS MURDERED,
SHE WAS GONNA GO BUY HER A BICYCLE.
DIDN'T GET TO DO IT.
IT WAS THE MOST HORRIBLE THING I'D EVER SEEN.
I DIDN'T BELIEVE IT WAS DEBBIE.
AFTER FIVE DAYS IN THE TEXAS SUN,
NOBODY'S PRETTY ANYMORE.
THEY SAY THAT, UH,
THAT GOD WON'T GIVE YOU MORE THAN YOU CAN HANDLE.
SOMETIMES I WISH HE DIDN'T TRUST ME SO MUCH.
HOW MUCH CAN YOU LOSE AND STILL BE WHO YOU ARE?
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I WAS BORN AND RAISED HERE IN WICHITA FALLS.
I'VE LIVED HERE ALL OF MY LIFE.
THIS IS REALLY A PRETTY NICE COMMUNITY.
DID WE HAVE CRIME? YES.
AND WE DID HAVE A NUMBER OF VIOLENT CRIMES
DURING THE '80s.
THAT WAS A PARTICULARLY VIOLENT TIME IN OUR COMMUNITY'S HISTORY.
THE ELLEN BLAU CASE, HER BODY WAS BADLY DECOMPOSED.
WE GOT NOT EVIDENCE FROM HER.
TONI GIBBS WAS 23 YEARS OF AGE.
SHE CAME FROM CLAYTON, NEW MEXICO,
AND SHE WENT TO SCHOOL HERE AT MIDWESTERN STATE UNIVERSITY
AND BECAME A NURSE.
TERRY SIMS, SHE WAS 20 YEARS OLD.
SHE LOST HER FATHER WHEN SHE WAS 13 MONTHS OLD
AND HAD A ROUGH LIFE.
FIRST SUSPECT IN THE SIMS CASE, HE WAS EXCLUDED.
THE SUSPECT IN THE GIBBS CASE WAS EXCLUDED.
YOU KNOW, LAW ENFORCEMENT
THOUGHT THESE COUPLE SUSPECTS WERE GOOD FOR IT.
YOU KNOW, IT DIDN'T PAN OUT.
THE PARENT, THE BROTHER, THE SISTER, THE AUNT, THE UNCLE
THAT I HAD TO LOOK IN THE EYE AND JUST, "WE CAN'T DO IT."
WE DON'T HAVE IT," YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE HARD.
THOSE YOU DON'T EVER FORGET.
MY RESPONSIBILITY AS A DISTRICT ATTORNEY
IS TO SEE THAT JUSTICE IS DONE, AND I FELT IT WAS ON ME.
THE PHONE RANG.
IT WAS MY SISTER-IN-LAW,
AND SHE SAID TINA HAD BEEN HURT,
BAD, HUNG UP THE PHONE,
TOOK OFF.
ELAINE, HER MOTHER, WASN'T SUPPOSED TO HAVE A BABY.
I HAD PROBLEMS, WASN'T SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A BABY.
TINA COME ALONG.
I ALWAYS CONSIDERED MYSELF REAL LUCKY TO HAVE TINA.
I PULLED UP, AND THIS MAN SAID, "ARE YOU ROBERT KIMBREW?"
AND I SAID, "YES." AND HE WAS THE INVESTIGATOR.
AND HE SAID, "YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN AN ACCIDENT,"
AND SAID, "WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENED."
TINA'S APARTMENT HAD A BALCONY IN IT,
AND IT APPEARED THAT SHE HAD, SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER,
FELL OFF THIS BALCONY
AND HIT A LAMP AND HIT THE FLOOR,
AND... AND SHE WAS DECEASED.
OH, MY GOD.
HOW DO YOU BELIEVE YOUR DAUGHTER IS GONE,
YOU KNOW, IS GONE?
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT EVER GONNA SEE
HER BAT THEM BIG BROWN EYES AND SAY, "DADDY, I LOVE YOU."
HOW DO YOU DO THAT?
AND, UH,
PROBABLY THE HARDEST JOB I'VE EVER HAD
WAS TO TELL ELAINE, UH,
YOU KNOW, THAT HER BABY GIRL IS GONE.
WELL, THIS ISN'T REALLY SOMETHING I WANTED TO DO.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I FELT LIKE
I SHOULD DO, THAT I NEEDED TO DO.
I'M GONNA TELL THIS STORY ONE MORE TIME,
AND THAT'S GONNA BE IT,
AND I JUST WANT TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT
ON A FEW THINGS.
I WAS IN MY EARLY 30s.
DEBBIE WAS FIVE OR SIX YEARS YOUNGER THAN ME.
I WAS DRAWN TO HER IMMEDIATELY.
SHE WAS A BEAUTIFUL GIRL, AND SHE HAD A GENTLE SWEETNESS
ABOUT HER THAT DREW EVERYBODY IN.
WE WERE TOGETHER FOR SOME TIME BEFORE WE MARRIED,
AND IT WASN'T LONG AFTER THAT MY DAUGHTER,
JENNIFER, WAS BORN, AND LIFE WAS PRETTY GOOD.
SHE AND JENNIFER WERE SO CLOSE.
IT WAS RARELY DAYLIGHT BETWEEN THEM
AND THEY ADORED EACH OTHER, AND I ADORED BOTH OF THEM.
THE ALARM CLOCK GOES OFF EARLY AT MY PLACE.
I'M ONE OF THOSE GUYS THAT IS NEVER LATE TO WORK.
I WOKE UP, AND DEBBIE WAS GONE.
I, OF COURSE, FIRST I THOUGHT SHE WAS IN THE BATHROOM.
I WENT TO SEE AND NO, SHE WASN'T IN THERE.
I DIDN'T SMELL COFFEE.
THEN I WENT TO JENNIFER'S ROOM TO SEE IF SHE WAS IN THERE.
SHE WASN'T THERE.
DEBBIE?
HER PURSE WAS ON THE KITCHEN TABLE,
AND THE ONLY THING MISSING WAS DEBBIE.
DEBBIE?
I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO THINK AT FIRST.
IT WAS PRETTY CONFUSING.
I THOUGHT MAYBE SHE HAD GONE, AFTER I WENT TO SLEEP,
TO THE BAR AND HAD A NIGHTCAP OR WHATEVER.
IT'S VERY STRANGE TO WAKE UP,
AND SOMEBODY WHO'S SUPPOSED TO BE THERE
IS NOT THERE, ALL OF A SUDDEN.
I THINK I CALLED EVERYBODY I HAD NUMBERS FOR.
I'M LOOKING FOR DEBBIE.
HAVE YOU HEARD FROM HER BY ANY CHANCE?
WE CHECKED THE HOSPITALS.
SHE WOULD'VE CALLED IF SHE WERE IN JAIL.
OKAY...
AND YOU JUST DON'T KNOW.
YOUR IMAGINATION GOES NUTS, AND YOU START TO PANIC.
IF YOU RUN INTO HER, HAVE HER GIVE ME A CALL.
I DID.
SO I WENT UP THERE, AND THEY INVITED ME TO GO WITH THEM
TO THE MEDICAL EXAMINER'S OFFICE,
AND THEY PUT ME IN THE VIEWING ROOM,
AND HE SAID, YOU KNOW, "OKAY, LOOK INTO THIS WINDOW."
AND IT WAS THIS BIG WINDOW WITH A CURTAIN ON IT
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, THEY JERKED OPEN THE CURTAIN.
WHAT I SAW...
IN THAT WINDOW WAS INDESCRIBABLE.
AFTER FIVE DAYS IN THE TEXAS SUN,
NOBODY'S PRETTY ANYMORE.
IT WAS THE MOST HORRIBLE THING I'D EVER SEEN.
I DIDN'T BELIEVE IT WAS DEBBIE.
AND THEY ASKED ME, YOU KNOW, "IS THAT YOUR WIFE?"
AND I SAID, "NO, NO."
"THAT'S NOBODY I EVER SAW. I DON'T KNOW WHO THAT IS."
AND THEY SAID, "WELL, MAYBE THIS WILL HELP YOU."
AND IT WAS HER WEDDING RINGS,
AND IT WAS HER NECKLACE THAT I GAVE HER
FOR CHRISTMAS JUST A FEW MONTHS BEFORE.
AND I KNEW RIGHT THEN THAT
THAT WAS DEBBIE AFTER ALL.
AND I JUST KEPT LOOKING IN THAT GLASS.
MY LIFE CHANGED IN THAT MOMENT.
THAT IMAGE
WAS SEARED INTO MY MIND
FOR ALL TIME.
I CAN CLOSE MY EYES RIGHT NOW
AND SEE IT AS CLEARLY AS I DID THAT DAY.
THERE IS NO, UH,
GETTING AWAY FROM IT.
IT'S PART OF ME.
AND HE SAID, "WELL, WE NEEDED TO GO...
WE NEEDED TO GO, UH, TALK SOME MORE."
THEY EXPLAINED TO ME THAT THE CORPSE THEY FOUND
HAD A BUNCH OF SKIN UNDER HER FINGERNAILS,
THAT SHE HAD PUT UP QUITE A FIGHT
AND SCRATCHED WHOEVER IT WAS UP PRETTY BAD.
MR. TAYLOR, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ASK YOU.
TO TAKE YOUR SHIRT OFF.
SURE, WHATEVER YOU NEED.
THEY WANTED TO ELIMINATE ME AS A SUSPECT,
AND THEY SAID THEY WANTED TO CHECK ME
FOR SCRATCHES AND STUFF,
WHICH, OF COURSE, I WAS WILLING TO DO.
I STRIPPED DOWN RIGHT THERE, RIGHT THEN.
AND, OF COURSE, THERE WAS NOT A SCRATCH ON ME.
THERE WAS NOT SO MUCH AS A SHAVING CUT ON ME.
NOTHING.
THEY WERE RELENTLESS.
DOESN'T MATTER THAT I HAD NO SCRATCHES ON ME
OR ANY RECORD OF VIOLENCE IN MY WHOLE LIFE.
NONE OF THAT MATTERED.
MR. TAYLOR, WE HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS WE'D LIKE TO ASK YOU.
GO RIGHT AHEAD.
THE FURTHER WE WENT WITH THE INTERROGATION,
THE MORE AND MORE I REALIZED THAT THEY'RE COMING AFTER ME.
IS THERE ANYONE THAT CAN VOUCH FOR YOUR WHEREABOUTS THAT NIGHT?
I GOT THE SENSE THAT EVERYBODY ELSE IN THAT PLACE.
WAS CONVINCED THAT THEY HAD THE GUY.
I WAS ALL THEY HAD. I WAS THE BONE FOR THAT DOG,
AND THEY WEREN'T GOING TO TURN IT LOOSE.
I DON'T THINK I REALIZED WHAT A DADDY WAS
UNTIL I COULDN'T BE ONE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I JUST CAN'T IMAGINE
WHAT ELAINE HAS GONE THROUGH.
BECAUSE IT'S HARD ON DADDIES,
BUT MAMAS ARE MAMAS.
FOREVER.
SO, OKAY.
THE INVESTIGATOR TOLD ME THAT IT WASN'T AN ACCIDENT,
THAT THE MARKS ON HER FACE WERE FROM KNUCKLES
AND THAT IT APPEARED
THAT SHE HAD BEEN SUFFOCATED WITH A PILLOW.
AND I SAID, "HOW DO YOU KNOW?"
AND THE INVESTIGATOR SAID,
"THE PILLOW THAT HE SUFFOCATED HER WITH,
"THE PARTICLES OF THAT PILLOW
WAS IN THE BOTTOM OF HER LUNGS."
REALITY HADN'T REALLY SET IN THAT IT WAS ON PURPOSE.
IN MY MIND, THE ONLY WAY YOU COULD TAKE ANOTHER PERSON'S LIFE
IS BE MAD AT THEM, IS BE ANGRY WITH THEM,
THEM DO SOMETHING SO HORRIBLE AGAINST YOU
THAT YOU WANTED TO TAKE THEIR LIFE.
YOU KNOW, WHAT... WHAT SITUATION COULD
TINA PUT HERSELF IN THAT
THIS COULD HAPPEN ON PURPOSE?
YOU KNOW, THE WHY, THE WHY, THE WHYS JUST DROVE ME CRAZY.
I MEAN, WHO COULD DO THIS TO TINA?
HELLO?
POLICE DEPARTMENT CALLED ME AND SAID
THAT THEY KNEW WHO DID IT, THAT HE WAS IN GALVESTON, TEXAS,
AND HE CALLED THE POLICE DEPARTMENT
AND TOLD THEM WHO HE WAS
AND THAT HE HAD KILLED A GIRL IN WICHITA FALLS.
THEY ARRESTED HIM AND WHEN HE GOT BACK, HE CONFESSED.
FARYION EDWARD WARDRIP MEANT NOTHING TO ME.
IN MY MIND, I JUST THOUGHT, "THIS IS THE END.
"YOU KNOW, WE FOUND OUT WHO DID IT
"AND NOW WE CAN FIND OUT WHY, AND THEN IT'S ALL OVER.
THIS IS THE END. THIS IS THE END OF IT."
BUT WE'RE NOT THROUGH YET.
FARYION WARDRIP DID PLEAD GUILTY
TO THE OFFENSIVE MURDER OF TINA KIMBREW,
RECEIVED A 35-YEAR SENTENCE, PRISON SENTENCE.
DECEMBER 21 OF 1984,
10 DAYS BEFORE I TOOK THE OFFICE AS DISTRICT ATTORNEY,
TERRY SIMS WAS BRUTALLY MURDERED.
SHE WAS STABBED ON THE CHEST,
BUT SHE ALSO HAD CLASSIC SELF-DEFENSE WOUNDS
FROM THE KNIFE TO HER HANDS.
IN FACT, THE PATHOLOGIST SAID, AT ONE POINT,
SHE MAY HAVE EVEN GRABBED THE KNIFE.
IT WAS UNBELIEVABLE TO THINK WHAT SHE WENT THROUGH
THE LAST MOMENTS OF HER LIFE.
LESS THAN A MONTH LATER, ON JANUARY 19, 1985,
TONI GIBBS WENT MISSING.
TONI GIBBS WAS 23 YEARS OF AGE.
SHE WORKED AS A NURSE AT A LOCAL HOSPITAL.
SHE WAS FOUND IN A FIELD, NUDE.
SHE HAD BEEN STABBED.
THERE WAS AN OLD, ABANDONED TROLLEY CAR,
AND, OBVIOUSLY, FROM THE INSIDE OF THAT TROLLEY CAR,
IT WAS CLEAR THAT TONI HAD BEEN MURDERED
IN THAT ABANDONED OLD TROLLEY CAR.
ELLEN BLAU WAS A YOUNG GIRL.
SHE WAS 21 YEARS OF AGE.
SHE TURNS UP MISSING.
IT WAS ABOUT, I THINK, 20 DAYS WENT BY
BEFORE ELLEN BLAU'S BODY WAS DISCOVERED.
TO HAVE THREE PENDING INVESTIGATIONS
OF REALLY HORRIFIC MURDERS OF YOUNG WOMEN,
I BEGAN TO BELIEVE THAT THOSE WERE CONNECTED.
AFTER THE FUNERAL AND EVERYTHING CALMED DOWN,
I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO DO BUT GO BACK TO WORK.
I WENT TO CLOCK IN, AND THE BOSS CALLED ME OFF TO THE SIDE.
KEN, I NEED TO SPEAK TO YOU.
AND HE SAID,
"WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO USE YOU ANYMORE."
AND I SAID, "WHY IS THAT?"
AND HE SAID, "WELL, BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T CALL IN EVERY DAY
WHILE YOU WERE GONE."
I SAID, "BOSS, EVERYBODY IN TEXAS KNOWS WHERE I WAS
AND WHAT I WAS DOING AND WHAT WAS WRONG WITH ME."
HE SAID, "I CAN'T USE YOU. IT'S OVER."
YOU KNOW, I HAD WORKED FOR THAT MAN FOR NEARLY 10 YEARS.
I WAS HIS PROTéGé. HE WAS A MENTOR.
AND I WANT YOU OUT OF HERE IMMEDIATELY, OKAY, KEN?
THEN HE FIRED ME ON THE SPOT.
AND NOT ONLY THAT, WHEN I WAS OUT LOOKING FOR ANOTHER JOB,
I WOULD PUT DOWN THAT AS MY REFERENCE, OF COURSE,
AND HE WOULD TELL HIM,
"YOU KNOW WHO THAT GUY IS, DON'T YOU?
HE'S THE GUY THAT KILLED HIS WIFE HERE A WHILE BACK."
THE VERY CENTER OF MY LIFE WAS, BESIDES FAMILY, IT WAS MY JOB.
I HAD ALREADY LOST SO MUCH,
AND WHEN I LOST THAT,
IT WAS LIKE HAVING THE WIND KICKED OUT OF ME
BECAUSE I FELT LIKE I WAS LETTING EVERYBODY DOWN.
YOU KNOW, HERE IS MY JOB TO PROTECT DEBBIE.
I COULDN'T DO THAT.
IT'S MY JOB TO PROVIDE EVERYTHING FOR MY DAUGHTER,
AND NOW I CAN'T DO THAT.
IT'S MY JOB NOT TO BRING SHAME TO MY FAMILY,
AND I COULDN'T DO THAT.
THEY SAY THAT, UH,
THAT GOD WOULDN'T GIVE YOU MORE THAN YOU COULD HANDLE.
SOMETIMES I WISH HE DIDN'T TRUST ME SO MUCH.
HOW MUCH CAN YOU LOSE
AND STILL BE WHO YOU ARE?
FOR THREE MONTHS,
ALL I COULD THINK ABOUT IS,
HOW LONG DID IT TAKE?
YOU KNOW, WHEN DID SHE REALIZE
THAT HE WAS GONNA KILL HER,
THAT HE WASN'T GONNA STOP?
GOT THE DOCTOR IN FORT WORTH
THAT DID THE FORENSIC REPORT ON TINA, CALLED DOWN THERE.
I SAID, "MY DAUGHTER'S TINA KIMBREW,
SHE WAS SUFFOCATED," AND I SAID, "HOW LONG DID IT TAKE?"
AND SHE SAID, "TINA KIMBREW,"
SAID, "SHE WAS ABOVE AVERAGE HEALTH...
ALMOST 22 YEARS OLD,
7 1/2 MINUTES."
AND I... "WHAT?"
AND SHE SAID, "WHAT I'M SAYING, ROBERT,
"IS IF HE HAD QUIT IN 7 1/2 MINUTES,
SHE WOULD HAVE STARTED BREATHING AGAIN."
STILL, TODAY, I CAN LOOK AT A CLOCK
AND THEN LOOK RIGHT BACK AT IT,
AND IT 7 1/2 MINUTES LATER.
I MEAN, IT'S AMAZING
WHAT GOES ON IN YOUR LIFE IN 7 1/2 MINUTES.
BARRY TOLD ME, "YOU'RE BETTER OFF PLEA BARGAINING IT"
"AND GETTING HIM IN PRISON BECAUSE YOU CAN'T PREDICT
"WHAT EVERYBODY ON THAT JURY IS GONNA DO,
AND IT JUST TAKES ONE TO MESS IT UP."
HE WAS GONNA PLEA BARGAIN IT,
AND HE SAID HE COULD GET 35 YEARS,
AND I WAS INSULTED THAT THEY DIDN'T ASK THE DEATH PENALTY.
I KNEW HE WAS GONNA PAROLE OUT PRETTY QUICK,
AND SO I WANTED TO SAY SOME STUFF TO HIM.
HE KILLED MY DAUGHTER.
I FELT LIKE HE OUGHT TO DIE.
NO DOUBT, THE HARDEST PART WAS TRYING TO, UH,
EXPLAIN TO JENNIFER
WHY HER MAMA WASN'T COMING HOME.
WHEN I FINALLY TOLD HER,
"YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE YOUR MOMMY ANYMORE
BECAUSE SHE'S GONE TO HEAVEN,
SHE'S WITH THE ANGELS,"
AND, UH, OR WHATEVER I SAID.
I COULDN'T EXPLAIN IT TO HER
BECAUSE I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT MYSELF.
NO KID SHOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT.
THAT WAS PROBABLY THE MOST DIFFICULT MOMENT OF MY LIFE.
THEY JUST KEPT COMING AFTER ME AND AFTER ME AND AFTER ME
AND ALL THE INTERROGATIONS AND POLYGRAPHS
AND FOLLOWING ME AROUND.
I WAS THE ONLY SUSPECT THEY HAD.
I WAS THE CLOSEST PERSON TO THE SITUATION,
AND THEY COULDN'T LOOK ANYWHERE ELSE.
IT WAS LIKE THEY WERE UNABLE TO LOOK ANYWHERE ELSE.
HERE YOU ARE, SIR.
ONE OF THE LOWEST POINTS WAS, A FRIEND OF MINE
FROM HIGH SCHOOL
THAT I HADN'T SEEN IN SEVERAL YEARS,
ALL OF A SUDDEN SHOWS UP AT MY HOUSE.
THANKS FOR COMING BY, MAN.
I COULD REALLY USE A FRIENDLY FACE.
YEAH, I CAN IMAGINE.
SO...
WHAT HAPPENED?
HE AND I WERE LIKE BROTHERS, YOU KNOW, IN HIGH SCHOOL.
SO I KNEW, SITTING THERE TALKING TO HIM,
WHEN I HEARD THE TONE OF HIS QUESTIONS,
THAT HE WAS WEARING A WIRE, TRYING TO TRIP ME UP.
YOU GUYS WEREN'T FIGHTING OR ANYTHING?
SHE WASN'T HAVING AN AFFAIR OR SOMETHING, MAYBE?
NO.
EVEN THE PERSON THAT I TRUSTED MOST ON THIS PLANET...
WAS WILLING TO COME AFTER ME
LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE WAS.
THAT WAS A PRETTY LOW BLOW,
AND THAT TOLD ME, IT'S ME AGAINST THE WHOLE THING.
I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH HIM, AND I TOOK IT.
I WANTED TO DO IT.
I HAD SOME STUFF I WANTED TO TELL HIM.
I WAS EXPECTING A CHARLES MANSON TO WALK IN THAT ROOM.
I WAS EXPECTING SOMEBODY WITH A TERRIBLE ATTITUDE,
YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.
A BAD GUY, I WAS EXPECTING A BAD GUY.
AND HERE THIS OLD BOY WALKS IN,
AND HE'S GOT A NICE HAIRCUT, POLITE.
I'M GLAD THAT YOU'RE HERE.
I WANTED TO APOLOGIZE.
I TOLD HIM EVERYTHING THAT I HATED HIM FOR.
AND HE STARTED TELLING ME ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED THAT DAY.
THEY GOT IN A FIGHT,
AND HE SPUN HER AROUND
AND PUT HIS ARM OVER HER FACE
AND IN JUST A MINUTE,
SHE JUST WENT LIMP, AND HE DROPPED HER.
AND I SAID, FARYION, THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT HAPPENED.
YOU SUFFOCATED HER WITH A PILLOW ON HER COUCH FOR 7 1/2 MINUTES,
AND HE DIDN'T RESPOND TO IT.
HE JUST LOOKED AT ME LIKE HE WAS PUZZLED,
LIKE HE WAS TRYING TO REMEMBER.
I KNEW WHAT HAPPENED, BUT WHY DIDN'T HE KNOW?
HE WAS THERE.
WHY WOULD HE TELL ME THIS STORY HE JUST TOLD ME?
THESE CASES OCCURRED IN '84, '85,
AND HERE WE ARE NOW IN THE '90s,
AND WE HAD NOT SOLVED SIMS, GIBBS, OR BLAU.
BUT I STILL WASN'T GOING TO GIVE UP ON TRYING
TO RESOLVE WHO DID THESE.
I ALWAYS HAD A BELIEF THAT BECAUSE WE DID HAVE DNA
THAT WE WOULD ONE DAY
BE ABLE TO SOLVE AT LEAST THOSE FIRST TWO CASES.
I ASKED THE LAB, "CAN YOU TELL ME THE DNA SAMPLE
FROM THOSE VICTIMS,
IS IT FROM THE SAME PERPETRATOR?"
THE HEAD OF THAT LAB HIMSELF CALLED ME.
YEAH, I GOT THE CASE FILE RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME.
THE DNA FROM THOSE TWO VICTIMS IS FROM THE SAME PERPETRATOR.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT A SERIAL SITUATION.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I WANTED A FRESH SET OF EYES
TO LOOK AT WHAT WE'D BEEN LOOKING AT.
THAT'S WHEN I ASSIGNED THE FIRST INVESTIGATOR
TO THEN GO THROUGH THE FILES
AND LOOK FOR COMMON FACTORS FOR A SUSPECT.
AND HE CAME BACK WITH THE NAME OF FARYION WARDRIP.
WARDRIP WORKED AT THE HOSPITAL WHERE TONI GIBBS WORKED.
HE LIVED IN AN APARTMENT JUST UP THE STREET
FROM WHERE TERRY SIMS WAS MURDERED.
AND ELLEN BLAU, HER BEST FRIENDS LIVED IN THE APARTMENT COMPLEX
WHERE WARDRIP LIVED.
THIS IS A PERSON THAT WE HAVE TO EXCLUDE.
THE LAB TECHNICIAN TELLS THE INVESTIGATOR,
"THERE'S NO DOUBT IN MY MIND.
THIS IS THE PERSON WHOSE DNA MATCHES."
WE WERE ELATED.
YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF LIKE WE FINALLY FOUND
WHO THE BOGEYMAN WAS.
HIS PAROLE OFFICER GOT HIM IN, AND WARDRIP SAID,
"WE'LL GIVE YOU A STATEMENT ABOUT THOSE MURDERS."
ABOUT READY TO SHUT IT DOWN,
AND WARDRIP SAYS, "OH, AND BY THE WAY,
I NEED TO TELL YOU ABOUT ONE IN FORT WORTH."
WE DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT A VICTIM IN FORT WORTH.
16 YEARS AFTER DEBBIE'S DEATH, I GOT A PHONE CALL,
AND THEY SAID THEY HAD CAUGHT THE GUY.
AND I SAID, "WELL, WHAT GUY?"
AND THEY SAID, "WELL, THE GUY THAT KILLED YOUR WIFE."
"HE'S CONFESSED TO IT, AND WE'VE GOT HIM,
AND YOU'VE BEEN EXONERATED."
THANK YOU.
I JUST COULDN'T EVEN HARDLY BELIEVE MY EARS.
YOU KNOW, AFTER ALL THAT TIME, I'D GIVEN UP HOPE.
BYE.
THAT WAS, MAYBE, MY FAVORITE PHONE CALL OF ALL TIME.
THIS IS THE EXHIBIT THAT I PREPARED
FOR THE CAPITAL MURDER CASE.
I WANTED THE JURY TO SEE WHAT HE HAD DONE.
TONI GIBBS, SHE HAD HER LIFE IN FRONT OF HER.
HER YOUNGEST SISTER, KATIE, THE MORNING SHE WAS MURDERED,
SHE WAS GONNA GO BUY HER A BICYCLE.
DIDN'T GET TO DO IT.
DEBRA TAYLOR, HER HUSBAND WAS OSTRACIZED
BECAUSE THEY BELIEVED THAT HE DID IT,
AND, OF COURSE, WE NOW KNOW THAT HE DID NOT DO IT.
AND THEN WE HAVE TINA KIMBREW,
SINGLE, ONLY CHILD OF HER MOM AND DAD.
TERRY SIMS, ELLEN BLAU,
HE HAD WIPED OUT THESE BEAUTIFUL, YOUNG GIRLS
AND LEFT THEIR FAMILIES DEVASTATED BY THEIR LOSS.
I MEAN, I KNOW THE WORLD WE LIVE IN.
THIS HAPPENS, AND I'M JUST GRATEFUL
THAT WE WERE ABLE TO SOLVE IT.
AFTER WARDRIP HAD ADMITTED
THAT HE HAD COMMITTED THE MURDERS,
I CALLED ROBERT TO TELL HIM WARDRIP HAD LIED TO HIM,
ABSOLUTELY LIED TO HIM, FACE-TO-FACE,
THAT TINA WAS THE ONLY PERSON THAT HE'D EVER HURT.
I KNEW IT WOULD HURT HIM,
AND IT DID.
AT THE TIME,
I DIDN'T KNOW I WAS TALKING TO A SERIAL KILLER.
WHEN HE WAS TELLING ME WHAT HAPPENED BETWEEN HIM AND TINA,
HE ACTUALLY TOLD ME ABOUT KILLING SOMEBODY ELSE.
BARRY TOLD ME THAT.
HE SAID, "ROBERT, HE TOLD YOU ABOUT KILLING ANOTHER GIRL."
I DON'T KNOW WHY TINA DIED, TO THIS DAY.
I DON'T KNOW WHY.
AND I WANTED TO KNOW.
I MEAN, THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS.
WHAT CAUSED ALL THIS?
I MEAN, YOU SPEND 22 YEARS RAISING A KID,
AND THEN, JUST AT THE SNAP OF YOUR FINGER, IT'S GONE.
CHILDREN ARE CHILDREN.
THEY'RE YOUR KIDS FOREVER.
AND I WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW WHO TINA WAS.
WE WILL NEVER KNOW WHAT SHE WOULD BE,
BUT WE KNOW WHAT SHE WAS.
SHE WAS MY DAUGHTER, AND SHE WAS REAL SPECIAL.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I TOLD MY WHOLE STORY TO ANYBODY
AND ESPECIALLY IN THIS DETAIL, AND IT'S GONNA BE MY LAST.
YOU NOTICE HOW MUCH SHE LOOKS LIKE HER MAMA?
I DON'T REMEMBER JENNIFER AND I
TALKING ABOUT THIS A WHOLE LOT AS SHE GREW UP.
I'VE HEARD SOME BITS AND PIECES THROUGHOUT MY LIFE,
BUT HEARING HIM TELL THIS STORY'S
IS A LOT HARDER TO LISTEN TO
BECAUSE HE'S REALLY NEVER SPOKEN ABOUT IT
IN THIS MUCH DETAIL BEFORE.
I KNOW THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO KNEW MY MOTHER,
THEY LOOK AT ME, AND THEY SEE HER,
SO I KNOW THAT IT'S HARD FOR THEM SOMETIMES.
SO THAT'S KIND OF SOMETHING I'VE CARRIED WITH ME.
IT'S BEEN HARD TO LOOK LIKE HER.
YOU COULD BE TWINS.
YOU'RE SO MUCH ALIKE.
I JUST WISH SHE WERE STILL HERE.
THE LOSS OF THE WOMAN I LOVED AND OUR FAMILY,
THE WAY IT WAS,
IT WAS A LOT TO DEAL WITH.
IT'S AMAZING HOW MUCH YOU CAN KEEP INSIDE.
PEOPLE TALK ABOUT CLOSURE.
THEY THROW THAT WORD AROUND LIKE A FRISBEE.
THERE AIN'T NO CLOSURE.
YOU DON'T GET OVER THIS.
YOU JUST FIND A WAY TO GET PAST IT.
THAT'S THE BEST YOU CAN HOPE FOR.