1 00:00:06,068 --> 00:00:08,858 I SAID, "HOW LONG DID IT TAKE?" 2 00:00:08,862 --> 00:00:11,622 AND SHE SAID, "7 1/2 MINUTES." 3 00:00:15,275 --> 00:00:19,785 AND I... "WHAT?" 4 00:00:19,793 --> 00:00:22,793 AND SHE SAID, "WHAT I'M SAYING, ROBERT, 5 00:00:22,793 --> 00:00:28,073 "IS IF HE HAD QUIT IN 7 1/2 MINUTES, 6 00:00:28,068 --> 00:00:32,448 SHE WOULD HAVE STARTED BREATHING AGAIN." 7 00:00:32,448 --> 00:00:36,788 STILL, TODAY, I CAN LOOK AT A CLOCK 8 00:00:36,793 --> 00:00:40,283 AND LOOK RIGHT BACK AT IT, AND IT'S 7 1/2 MINUTES LATER. 9 00:00:40,275 --> 00:00:42,895 IT'S AMAZING 10 00:00:42,896 --> 00:00:46,376 WHAT GOES ON IN YOUR LIFE IN 7 1/2 MINUTES. 11 00:00:52,275 --> 00:00:55,785 SHE WAS FOUND IN A FIELD, NUDE. 12 00:00:55,793 --> 00:00:57,903 SHE HAD BEEN STABBED. 13 00:00:57,896 --> 00:01:00,856 THERE WAS AN OLD, ABANDONED TROLLEY CAR, 14 00:01:00,862 --> 00:01:06,692 AND HER NURSING UNIFORM IS UNDERNEATH THE FLOORBOARD. 15 00:01:06,689 --> 00:01:09,309 IT WAS CLEAR THAT TONI HAD BEEN MURDERED 16 00:01:09,310 --> 00:01:13,520 IN THAT ABANDONED OLD TROLLEY CAR. 17 00:01:13,517 --> 00:01:16,857 SHE HAD HER LIFE IN FRONT OF HER. 18 00:01:16,862 --> 00:01:20,522 HER YOUNGEST SISTER, KATIE, THE MORNING SHE WAS MURDERED, 19 00:01:20,517 --> 00:01:23,207 SHE WAS GONNA GO BUY HER A BICYCLE. 20 00:01:27,931 --> 00:01:30,031 DIDN'T GET TO DO IT. 21 00:01:34,931 --> 00:01:38,381 IT WAS THE MOST HORRIBLE THING I'D EVER SEEN. 22 00:01:38,379 --> 00:01:41,309 I DIDN'T BELIEVE IT WAS DEBBIE. 23 00:01:41,310 --> 00:01:47,310 AFTER FIVE DAYS IN THE TEXAS SUN, 24 00:01:47,310 --> 00:01:49,830 NOBODY'S PRETTY ANYMORE. 25 00:01:54,172 --> 00:01:58,172 THEY SAY THAT, UH, 26 00:01:58,172 --> 00:02:02,002 THAT GOD WON'T GIVE YOU MORE THAN YOU CAN HANDLE. 27 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,410 SOMETIMES I WISH HE DIDN'T TRUST ME SO MUCH. 28 00:02:07,793 --> 00:02:12,833 HOW MUCH CAN YOU LOSE AND STILL BE WHO YOU ARE? 29 00:02:22,586 --> 00:02:25,586 Captions by VITAC... www.vitac.com 30 00:02:25,586 --> 00:02:28,546 CAPTIONS PAID FOR BY DISCOVERY COMMUNICATIONS 31 00:02:47,758 --> 00:02:49,828 I WAS BORN AND RAISED HERE IN WICHITA FALLS. 32 00:02:49,827 --> 00:02:51,787 I'VE LIVED HERE ALL OF MY LIFE. 33 00:02:58,620 --> 00:03:01,550 THIS IS REALLY A PRETTY NICE COMMUNITY. 34 00:03:01,551 --> 00:03:04,071 DID WE HAVE CRIME? YES. 35 00:03:04,068 --> 00:03:08,408 AND WE DID HAVE A NUMBER OF VIOLENT CRIMES 36 00:03:08,413 --> 00:03:10,863 DURING THE '80s. 37 00:03:10,862 --> 00:03:16,172 THAT WAS A PARTICULARLY VIOLENT TIME IN OUR COMMUNITY'S HISTORY. 38 00:03:16,172 --> 00:03:20,142 THE ELLEN BLAU CASE, HER BODY WAS BADLY DECOMPOSED. 39 00:03:20,137 --> 00:03:23,277 WE GOT NOT EVIDENCE FROM HER. 40 00:03:23,275 --> 00:03:26,165 TONI GIBBS WAS 23 YEARS OF AGE. 41 00:03:26,172 --> 00:03:28,862 SHE CAME FROM CLAYTON, NEW MEXICO, 42 00:03:28,862 --> 00:03:31,102 AND SHE WENT TO SCHOOL HERE AT MIDWESTERN STATE UNIVERSITY 43 00:03:31,103 --> 00:03:32,863 AND BECAME A NURSE. 44 00:03:32,862 --> 00:03:35,552 TERRY SIMS, SHE WAS 20 YEARS OLD. 45 00:03:35,551 --> 00:03:39,691 SHE LOST HER FATHER WHEN SHE WAS 13 MONTHS OLD 46 00:03:39,689 --> 00:03:43,209 AND HAD A ROUGH LIFE. 47 00:03:43,206 --> 00:03:48,026 FIRST SUSPECT IN THE SIMS CASE, HE WAS EXCLUDED. 48 00:03:48,034 --> 00:03:52,104 THE SUSPECT IN THE GIBBS CASE WAS EXCLUDED. 49 00:03:52,103 --> 00:03:53,623 YOU KNOW, LAW ENFORCEMENT 50 00:03:53,620 --> 00:03:57,550 THOUGHT THESE COUPLE SUSPECTS WERE GOOD FOR IT. 51 00:03:57,551 --> 00:04:02,281 YOU KNOW, IT DIDN'T PAN OUT. 52 00:04:02,275 --> 00:04:05,585 THE PARENT, THE BROTHER, THE SISTER, THE AUNT, THE UNCLE 53 00:04:05,586 --> 00:04:09,516 THAT I HAD TO LOOK IN THE EYE AND JUST, "WE CAN'T DO IT." 54 00:04:09,517 --> 00:04:12,377 WE DON'T HAVE IT," YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE HARD. 55 00:04:12,379 --> 00:04:15,309 THOSE YOU DON'T EVER FORGET. 56 00:04:15,310 --> 00:04:17,930 MY RESPONSIBILITY AS A DISTRICT ATTORNEY 57 00:04:17,931 --> 00:04:21,411 IS TO SEE THAT JUSTICE IS DONE, AND I FELT IT WAS ON ME. 58 00:04:27,724 --> 00:04:29,834 THE PHONE RANG. 59 00:04:29,827 --> 00:04:32,687 IT WAS MY SISTER-IN-LAW, 60 00:04:32,689 --> 00:04:38,619 AND SHE SAID TINA HAD BEEN HURT, 61 00:04:38,620 --> 00:04:42,070 BAD, HUNG UP THE PHONE, 62 00:04:42,068 --> 00:04:43,098 TOOK OFF. 63 00:04:48,310 --> 00:04:54,410 ELAINE, HER MOTHER, WASN'T SUPPOSED TO HAVE A BABY. 64 00:04:54,413 --> 00:04:59,553 I HAD PROBLEMS, WASN'T SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A BABY. 65 00:04:59,551 --> 00:05:03,481 TINA COME ALONG. 66 00:05:03,482 --> 00:05:07,482 I ALWAYS CONSIDERED MYSELF REAL LUCKY TO HAVE TINA. 67 00:05:14,241 --> 00:05:17,901 I PULLED UP, AND THIS MAN SAID, "ARE YOU ROBERT KIMBREW?" 68 00:05:17,896 --> 00:05:22,856 AND I SAID, "YES." AND HE WAS THE INVESTIGATOR. 69 00:05:22,862 --> 00:05:25,522 AND HE SAID, "YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN AN ACCIDENT," 70 00:05:25,517 --> 00:05:28,517 AND SAID, "WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENED." 71 00:05:28,517 --> 00:05:32,587 TINA'S APARTMENT HAD A BALCONY IN IT, 72 00:05:32,586 --> 00:05:36,096 AND IT APPEARED THAT SHE HAD, SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER, 73 00:05:36,103 --> 00:05:40,553 FELL OFF THIS BALCONY 74 00:05:40,551 --> 00:05:45,001 AND HIT A LAMP AND HIT THE FLOOR, 75 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:49,340 AND... AND SHE WAS DECEASED. 76 00:05:56,379 --> 00:05:58,719 OH, MY GOD. 77 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:12,450 HOW DO YOU BELIEVE YOUR DAUGHTER IS GONE, 78 00:06:12,448 --> 00:06:14,898 YOU KNOW, IS GONE? 79 00:06:14,896 --> 00:06:18,206 YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT EVER GONNA SEE 80 00:06:18,206 --> 00:06:20,996 HER BAT THEM BIG BROWN EYES AND SAY, "DADDY, I LOVE YOU." 81 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:25,900 HOW DO YOU DO THAT? 82 00:06:25,896 --> 00:06:28,376 AND, UH, 83 00:06:28,379 --> 00:06:32,239 PROBABLY THE HARDEST JOB I'VE EVER HAD 84 00:06:32,241 --> 00:06:37,031 WAS TO TELL ELAINE, UH, 85 00:06:37,034 --> 00:06:40,594 YOU KNOW, THAT HER BABY GIRL IS GONE. 86 00:06:54,517 --> 00:07:00,477 WELL, THIS ISN'T REALLY SOMETHING I WANTED TO DO. 87 00:07:00,482 --> 00:07:01,972 THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I FELT LIKE 88 00:07:01,965 --> 00:07:05,025 I SHOULD DO, THAT I NEEDED TO DO. 89 00:07:05,034 --> 00:07:07,864 I'M GONNA TELL THIS STORY ONE MORE TIME, 90 00:07:07,862 --> 00:07:09,862 AND THAT'S GONNA BE IT, 91 00:07:09,862 --> 00:07:11,482 AND I JUST WANT TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT 92 00:07:11,482 --> 00:07:14,312 ON A FEW THINGS. 93 00:07:22,310 --> 00:07:25,690 I WAS IN MY EARLY 30s. 94 00:07:25,689 --> 00:07:28,929 DEBBIE WAS FIVE OR SIX YEARS YOUNGER THAN ME. 95 00:07:28,931 --> 00:07:32,311 I WAS DRAWN TO HER IMMEDIATELY. 96 00:07:32,310 --> 00:07:36,340 SHE WAS A BEAUTIFUL GIRL, AND SHE HAD A GENTLE SWEETNESS 97 00:07:36,344 --> 00:07:39,314 ABOUT HER THAT DREW EVERYBODY IN. 98 00:07:43,655 --> 00:07:48,095 WE WERE TOGETHER FOR SOME TIME BEFORE WE MARRIED, 99 00:07:48,103 --> 00:07:49,593 AND IT WASN'T LONG AFTER THAT MY DAUGHTER, 100 00:07:49,586 --> 00:07:54,586 JENNIFER, WAS BORN, AND LIFE WAS PRETTY GOOD. 101 00:07:58,103 --> 00:08:01,243 SHE AND JENNIFER WERE SO CLOSE. 102 00:08:01,241 --> 00:08:05,281 IT WAS RARELY DAYLIGHT BETWEEN THEM 103 00:08:05,275 --> 00:08:09,855 AND THEY ADORED EACH OTHER, AND I ADORED BOTH OF THEM. 104 00:08:26,551 --> 00:08:29,691 THE ALARM CLOCK GOES OFF EARLY AT MY PLACE. 105 00:08:29,689 --> 00:08:34,789 I'M ONE OF THOSE GUYS THAT IS NEVER LATE TO WORK. 106 00:08:34,793 --> 00:08:37,793 I WOKE UP, AND DEBBIE WAS GONE. 107 00:08:37,793 --> 00:08:41,723 I, OF COURSE, FIRST I THOUGHT SHE WAS IN THE BATHROOM. 108 00:08:41,724 --> 00:08:43,974 I WENT TO SEE AND NO, SHE WASN'T IN THERE. 109 00:08:43,965 --> 00:08:46,065 I DIDN'T SMELL COFFEE. 110 00:08:46,068 --> 00:08:48,448 THEN I WENT TO JENNIFER'S ROOM TO SEE IF SHE WAS IN THERE. 111 00:08:48,448 --> 00:08:50,098 SHE WASN'T THERE. 112 00:08:50,103 --> 00:08:53,143 DEBBIE? 113 00:08:53,137 --> 00:08:58,337 HER PURSE WAS ON THE KITCHEN TABLE, 114 00:08:58,344 --> 00:09:03,244 AND THE ONLY THING MISSING WAS DEBBIE. 115 00:09:03,241 --> 00:09:05,311 DEBBIE? 116 00:09:10,137 --> 00:09:11,587 I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO THINK AT FIRST. 117 00:09:11,586 --> 00:09:16,136 IT WAS PRETTY CONFUSING. 118 00:09:16,137 --> 00:09:19,617 I THOUGHT MAYBE SHE HAD GONE, AFTER I WENT TO SLEEP, 119 00:09:19,620 --> 00:09:22,860 TO THE BAR AND HAD A NIGHTCAP OR WHATEVER. 120 00:09:22,862 --> 00:09:24,552 IT'S VERY STRANGE TO WAKE UP, 121 00:09:24,551 --> 00:09:25,971 AND SOMEBODY WHO'S SUPPOSED TO BE THERE 122 00:09:25,965 --> 00:09:30,515 IS NOT THERE, ALL OF A SUDDEN. 123 00:09:30,517 --> 00:09:34,137 I THINK I CALLED EVERYBODY I HAD NUMBERS FOR. 124 00:09:34,137 --> 00:09:35,307 I'M LOOKING FOR DEBBIE. 125 00:09:35,310 --> 00:09:37,310 HAVE YOU HEARD FROM HER BY ANY CHANCE? 126 00:09:37,310 --> 00:09:39,480 WE CHECKED THE HOSPITALS. 127 00:09:39,482 --> 00:09:42,282 SHE WOULD'VE CALLED IF SHE WERE IN JAIL. 128 00:09:42,275 --> 00:09:45,895 OKAY... 129 00:09:45,896 --> 00:09:48,476 AND YOU JUST DON'T KNOW. 130 00:09:48,482 --> 00:09:51,902 YOUR IMAGINATION GOES NUTS, AND YOU START TO PANIC. 131 00:09:51,896 --> 00:09:54,306 IF YOU RUN INTO HER, HAVE HER GIVE ME A CALL. 132 00:09:54,310 --> 00:09:55,930 I DID. 133 00:10:07,793 --> 00:10:11,143 SO I WENT UP THERE, AND THEY INVITED ME TO GO WITH THEM 134 00:10:11,137 --> 00:10:15,237 TO THE MEDICAL EXAMINER'S OFFICE, 135 00:10:15,241 --> 00:10:17,521 AND THEY PUT ME IN THE VIEWING ROOM, 136 00:10:17,517 --> 00:10:22,517 AND HE SAID, YOU KNOW, "OKAY, LOOK INTO THIS WINDOW." 137 00:10:22,517 --> 00:10:25,967 AND IT WAS THIS BIG WINDOW WITH A CURTAIN ON IT 138 00:10:25,965 --> 00:10:30,065 AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, THEY JERKED OPEN THE CURTAIN. 139 00:10:36,172 --> 00:10:40,002 WHAT I SAW... 140 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:43,660 IN THAT WINDOW WAS INDESCRIBABLE. 141 00:10:48,724 --> 00:10:54,664 AFTER FIVE DAYS IN THE TEXAS SUN, 142 00:10:54,655 --> 00:10:59,515 NOBODY'S PRETTY ANYMORE. 143 00:11:09,137 --> 00:11:12,857 IT WAS THE MOST HORRIBLE THING I'D EVER SEEN. 144 00:11:12,862 --> 00:11:15,412 I DIDN'T BELIEVE IT WAS DEBBIE. 145 00:11:15,413 --> 00:11:18,763 AND THEY ASKED ME, YOU KNOW, "IS THAT YOUR WIFE?" 146 00:11:18,758 --> 00:11:24,658 AND I SAID, "NO, NO." 147 00:11:24,655 --> 00:11:29,235 "THAT'S NOBODY I EVER SAW. I DON'T KNOW WHO THAT IS." 148 00:11:29,241 --> 00:11:30,831 AND THEY SAID, "WELL, MAYBE THIS WILL HELP YOU." 149 00:11:36,068 --> 00:11:38,968 AND IT WAS HER WEDDING RINGS, 150 00:11:38,965 --> 00:11:41,755 AND IT WAS HER NECKLACE THAT I GAVE HER 151 00:11:41,758 --> 00:11:44,278 FOR CHRISTMAS JUST A FEW MONTHS BEFORE. 152 00:11:49,344 --> 00:11:52,864 AND I KNEW RIGHT THEN THAT 153 00:11:52,862 --> 00:11:57,832 THAT WAS DEBBIE AFTER ALL. 154 00:11:57,827 --> 00:12:01,547 AND I JUST KEPT LOOKING IN THAT GLASS. 155 00:12:08,310 --> 00:12:12,900 MY LIFE CHANGED IN THAT MOMENT. 156 00:12:12,896 --> 00:12:15,206 THAT IMAGE 157 00:12:15,206 --> 00:12:18,756 WAS SEARED INTO MY MIND 158 00:12:18,758 --> 00:12:21,548 FOR ALL TIME. 159 00:12:21,551 --> 00:12:23,171 I CAN CLOSE MY EYES RIGHT NOW 160 00:12:23,172 --> 00:12:26,312 AND SEE IT AS CLEARLY AS I DID THAT DAY. 161 00:12:29,482 --> 00:12:32,032 THERE IS NO, UH, 162 00:12:32,034 --> 00:12:33,384 GETTING AWAY FROM IT. 163 00:12:36,586 --> 00:12:42,166 IT'S PART OF ME. 164 00:12:42,172 --> 00:12:45,862 AND HE SAID, "WELL, WE NEEDED TO GO... 165 00:12:45,862 --> 00:12:49,622 WE NEEDED TO GO, UH, TALK SOME MORE." 166 00:12:59,517 --> 00:13:02,967 THEY EXPLAINED TO ME THAT THE CORPSE THEY FOUND 167 00:13:02,965 --> 00:13:06,515 HAD A BUNCH OF SKIN UNDER HER FINGERNAILS, 168 00:13:06,517 --> 00:13:08,787 THAT SHE HAD PUT UP QUITE A FIGHT 169 00:13:08,793 --> 00:13:12,033 AND SCRATCHED WHOEVER IT WAS UP PRETTY BAD. 170 00:13:12,034 --> 00:13:14,524 MR. TAYLOR, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ASK YOU. 171 00:13:14,517 --> 00:13:16,687 TO TAKE YOUR SHIRT OFF. 172 00:13:16,689 --> 00:13:20,449 SURE, WHATEVER YOU NEED. 173 00:13:20,448 --> 00:13:23,238 THEY WANTED TO ELIMINATE ME AS A SUSPECT, 174 00:13:23,241 --> 00:13:24,861 AND THEY SAID THEY WANTED TO CHECK ME 175 00:13:24,862 --> 00:13:26,212 FOR SCRATCHES AND STUFF, 176 00:13:26,206 --> 00:13:28,856 WHICH, OF COURSE, I WAS WILLING TO DO. 177 00:13:28,862 --> 00:13:31,522 I STRIPPED DOWN RIGHT THERE, RIGHT THEN. 178 00:13:35,482 --> 00:13:38,102 AND, OF COURSE, THERE WAS NOT A SCRATCH ON ME. 179 00:13:38,103 --> 00:13:41,103 THERE WAS NOT SO MUCH AS A SHAVING CUT ON ME. 180 00:13:41,103 --> 00:13:43,383 NOTHING. 181 00:13:43,379 --> 00:13:45,859 THEY WERE RELENTLESS. 182 00:13:45,862 --> 00:13:47,832 DOESN'T MATTER THAT I HAD NO SCRATCHES ON ME 183 00:13:47,827 --> 00:13:50,517 OR ANY RECORD OF VIOLENCE IN MY WHOLE LIFE. 184 00:13:50,517 --> 00:13:51,897 NONE OF THAT MATTERED. 185 00:13:56,551 --> 00:14:01,101 MR. TAYLOR, WE HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS WE'D LIKE TO ASK YOU. 186 00:14:01,103 --> 00:14:02,663 GO RIGHT AHEAD. 187 00:14:02,655 --> 00:14:05,785 THE FURTHER WE WENT WITH THE INTERROGATION, 188 00:14:05,793 --> 00:14:10,833 THE MORE AND MORE I REALIZED THAT THEY'RE COMING AFTER ME. 189 00:14:10,827 --> 00:14:16,307 IS THERE ANYONE THAT CAN VOUCH FOR YOUR WHEREABOUTS THAT NIGHT? 190 00:14:16,310 --> 00:14:18,720 I GOT THE SENSE THAT EVERYBODY ELSE IN THAT PLACE. 191 00:14:18,724 --> 00:14:22,624 WAS CONVINCED THAT THEY HAD THE GUY. 192 00:14:22,620 --> 00:14:25,280 I WAS ALL THEY HAD. I WAS THE BONE FOR THAT DOG, 193 00:14:25,275 --> 00:14:27,965 AND THEY WEREN'T GOING TO TURN IT LOOSE. 194 00:14:42,310 --> 00:14:46,550 I DON'T THINK I REALIZED WHAT A DADDY WAS 195 00:14:46,551 --> 00:14:49,381 UNTIL I COULDN'T BE ONE. 196 00:14:54,586 --> 00:14:59,166 BUT, YOU KNOW, I JUST CAN'T IMAGINE 197 00:14:59,172 --> 00:15:01,622 WHAT ELAINE HAS GONE THROUGH. 198 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:07,760 BECAUSE IT'S HARD ON DADDIES, 199 00:15:07,758 --> 00:15:12,308 BUT MAMAS ARE MAMAS. 200 00:15:12,310 --> 00:15:16,790 FOREVER. 201 00:15:16,793 --> 00:15:20,313 SO, OKAY. 202 00:15:30,241 --> 00:15:35,241 THE INVESTIGATOR TOLD ME THAT IT WASN'T AN ACCIDENT, 203 00:15:35,241 --> 00:15:39,761 THAT THE MARKS ON HER FACE WERE FROM KNUCKLES 204 00:15:39,758 --> 00:15:41,448 AND THAT IT APPEARED 205 00:15:41,448 --> 00:15:45,518 THAT SHE HAD BEEN SUFFOCATED WITH A PILLOW. 206 00:15:50,793 --> 00:15:53,793 AND I SAID, "HOW DO YOU KNOW?" 207 00:15:53,793 --> 00:15:55,103 AND THE INVESTIGATOR SAID, 208 00:15:55,103 --> 00:15:58,033 "THE PILLOW THAT HE SUFFOCATED HER WITH, 209 00:15:58,034 --> 00:16:00,484 "THE PARTICLES OF THAT PILLOW 210 00:16:00,482 --> 00:16:04,592 WAS IN THE BOTTOM OF HER LUNGS." 211 00:16:04,586 --> 00:16:09,376 REALITY HADN'T REALLY SET IN THAT IT WAS ON PURPOSE. 212 00:16:09,379 --> 00:16:13,899 IN MY MIND, THE ONLY WAY YOU COULD TAKE ANOTHER PERSON'S LIFE 213 00:16:13,896 --> 00:16:18,656 IS BE MAD AT THEM, IS BE ANGRY WITH THEM, 214 00:16:18,655 --> 00:16:21,165 THEM DO SOMETHING SO HORRIBLE AGAINST YOU 215 00:16:21,172 --> 00:16:24,522 THAT YOU WANTED TO TAKE THEIR LIFE. 216 00:16:24,517 --> 00:16:28,857 YOU KNOW, WHAT... WHAT SITUATION COULD 217 00:16:28,862 --> 00:16:32,242 TINA PUT HERSELF IN THAT 218 00:16:32,241 --> 00:16:34,721 THIS COULD HAPPEN ON PURPOSE? 219 00:16:34,724 --> 00:16:40,174 YOU KNOW, THE WHY, THE WHY, THE WHYS JUST DROVE ME CRAZY. 220 00:16:40,172 --> 00:16:41,832 I MEAN, WHO COULD DO THIS TO TINA? 221 00:16:56,827 --> 00:16:57,997 HELLO? 222 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,100 POLICE DEPARTMENT CALLED ME AND SAID 223 00:17:00,103 --> 00:17:05,723 THAT THEY KNEW WHO DID IT, THAT HE WAS IN GALVESTON, TEXAS, 224 00:17:05,724 --> 00:17:08,484 AND HE CALLED THE POLICE DEPARTMENT 225 00:17:08,482 --> 00:17:11,662 AND TOLD THEM WHO HE WAS 226 00:17:11,655 --> 00:17:14,585 AND THAT HE HAD KILLED A GIRL IN WICHITA FALLS. 227 00:17:22,103 --> 00:17:27,763 THEY ARRESTED HIM AND WHEN HE GOT BACK, HE CONFESSED. 228 00:17:32,931 --> 00:17:36,761 FARYION EDWARD WARDRIP MEANT NOTHING TO ME. 229 00:17:39,482 --> 00:17:42,382 IN MY MIND, I JUST THOUGHT, "THIS IS THE END. 230 00:17:42,379 --> 00:17:44,589 "YOU KNOW, WE FOUND OUT WHO DID IT 231 00:17:44,586 --> 00:17:49,756 "AND NOW WE CAN FIND OUT WHY, AND THEN IT'S ALL OVER. 232 00:17:49,758 --> 00:17:53,168 THIS IS THE END. THIS IS THE END OF IT." 233 00:17:53,172 --> 00:17:56,002 BUT WE'RE NOT THROUGH YET. 234 00:18:08,344 --> 00:18:09,834 FARYION WARDRIP DID PLEAD GUILTY 235 00:18:09,827 --> 00:18:13,027 TO THE OFFENSIVE MURDER OF TINA KIMBREW, 236 00:18:13,034 --> 00:18:16,104 RECEIVED A 35-YEAR SENTENCE, PRISON SENTENCE. 237 00:18:27,206 --> 00:18:30,236 DECEMBER 21 OF 1984, 238 00:18:30,241 --> 00:18:34,791 10 DAYS BEFORE I TOOK THE OFFICE AS DISTRICT ATTORNEY, 239 00:18:34,793 --> 00:18:38,103 TERRY SIMS WAS BRUTALLY MURDERED. 240 00:18:38,103 --> 00:18:41,173 SHE WAS STABBED ON THE CHEST, 241 00:18:41,172 --> 00:18:44,242 BUT SHE ALSO HAD CLASSIC SELF-DEFENSE WOUNDS 242 00:18:44,241 --> 00:18:47,101 FROM THE KNIFE TO HER HANDS. 243 00:18:47,103 --> 00:18:49,103 IN FACT, THE PATHOLOGIST SAID, AT ONE POINT, 244 00:18:49,103 --> 00:18:51,693 SHE MAY HAVE EVEN GRABBED THE KNIFE. 245 00:18:51,689 --> 00:18:55,479 IT WAS UNBELIEVABLE TO THINK WHAT SHE WENT THROUGH 246 00:18:55,482 --> 00:19:00,282 THE LAST MOMENTS OF HER LIFE. 247 00:19:00,275 --> 00:19:04,855 LESS THAN A MONTH LATER, ON JANUARY 19, 1985, 248 00:19:04,862 --> 00:19:08,552 TONI GIBBS WENT MISSING. 249 00:19:08,551 --> 00:19:11,141 TONI GIBBS WAS 23 YEARS OF AGE. 250 00:19:11,137 --> 00:19:14,377 SHE WORKED AS A NURSE AT A LOCAL HOSPITAL. 251 00:19:14,379 --> 00:19:17,999 SHE WAS FOUND IN A FIELD, NUDE. 252 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:19,970 SHE HAD BEEN STABBED. 253 00:19:19,965 --> 00:19:22,925 THERE WAS AN OLD, ABANDONED TROLLEY CAR, 254 00:19:22,931 --> 00:19:28,861 AND, OBVIOUSLY, FROM THE INSIDE OF THAT TROLLEY CAR, 255 00:19:28,862 --> 00:19:31,792 IT WAS CLEAR THAT TONI HAD BEEN MURDERED 256 00:19:31,793 --> 00:19:38,243 IN THAT ABANDONED OLD TROLLEY CAR. 257 00:19:38,241 --> 00:19:41,031 ELLEN BLAU WAS A YOUNG GIRL. 258 00:19:41,034 --> 00:19:44,764 SHE WAS 21 YEARS OF AGE. 259 00:19:44,758 --> 00:19:46,858 SHE TURNS UP MISSING. 260 00:19:46,862 --> 00:19:50,662 IT WAS ABOUT, I THINK, 20 DAYS WENT BY 261 00:19:50,655 --> 00:19:56,095 BEFORE ELLEN BLAU'S BODY WAS DISCOVERED. 262 00:19:56,103 --> 00:19:59,693 TO HAVE THREE PENDING INVESTIGATIONS 263 00:19:59,689 --> 00:20:04,589 OF REALLY HORRIFIC MURDERS OF YOUNG WOMEN, 264 00:20:04,586 --> 00:20:07,476 I BEGAN TO BELIEVE THAT THOSE WERE CONNECTED. 265 00:20:21,310 --> 00:20:24,450 AFTER THE FUNERAL AND EVERYTHING CALMED DOWN, 266 00:20:24,448 --> 00:20:29,478 I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO DO BUT GO BACK TO WORK. 267 00:20:29,482 --> 00:20:34,342 I WENT TO CLOCK IN, AND THE BOSS CALLED ME OFF TO THE SIDE. 268 00:20:34,344 --> 00:20:38,454 KEN, I NEED TO SPEAK TO YOU. 269 00:20:38,448 --> 00:20:42,028 AND HE SAID, 270 00:20:42,034 --> 00:20:47,004 "WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO USE YOU ANYMORE." 271 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,030 AND I SAID, "WHY IS THAT?" 272 00:20:50,034 --> 00:20:54,524 AND HE SAID, "WELL, BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T CALL IN EVERY DAY 273 00:20:54,517 --> 00:20:59,857 WHILE YOU WERE GONE." 274 00:20:59,862 --> 00:21:04,242 I SAID, "BOSS, EVERYBODY IN TEXAS KNOWS WHERE I WAS 275 00:21:04,241 --> 00:21:08,341 AND WHAT I WAS DOING AND WHAT WAS WRONG WITH ME." 276 00:21:08,344 --> 00:21:12,624 HE SAID, "I CAN'T USE YOU. IT'S OVER." 277 00:21:12,620 --> 00:21:17,830 YOU KNOW, I HAD WORKED FOR THAT MAN FOR NEARLY 10 YEARS. 278 00:21:17,827 --> 00:21:21,137 I WAS HIS PROTéGé. HE WAS A MENTOR. 279 00:21:21,137 --> 00:21:25,967 AND I WANT YOU OUT OF HERE IMMEDIATELY, OKAY, KEN? 280 00:21:25,965 --> 00:21:27,655 THEN HE FIRED ME ON THE SPOT. 281 00:21:34,310 --> 00:21:39,790 AND NOT ONLY THAT, WHEN I WAS OUT LOOKING FOR ANOTHER JOB, 282 00:21:39,793 --> 00:21:44,073 I WOULD PUT DOWN THAT AS MY REFERENCE, OF COURSE, 283 00:21:44,068 --> 00:21:46,028 AND HE WOULD TELL HIM, 284 00:21:46,034 --> 00:21:50,524 "YOU KNOW WHO THAT GUY IS, DON'T YOU? 285 00:21:50,517 --> 00:21:53,237 HE'S THE GUY THAT KILLED HIS WIFE HERE A WHILE BACK." 286 00:21:59,793 --> 00:22:05,003 THE VERY CENTER OF MY LIFE WAS, BESIDES FAMILY, IT WAS MY JOB. 287 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:08,340 I HAD ALREADY LOST SO MUCH, 288 00:22:08,344 --> 00:22:11,554 AND WHEN I LOST THAT, 289 00:22:11,551 --> 00:22:14,861 IT WAS LIKE HAVING THE WIND KICKED OUT OF ME 290 00:22:14,862 --> 00:22:19,552 BECAUSE I FELT LIKE I WAS LETTING EVERYBODY DOWN. 291 00:22:19,551 --> 00:22:22,721 YOU KNOW, HERE IS MY JOB TO PROTECT DEBBIE. 292 00:22:22,724 --> 00:22:24,694 I COULDN'T DO THAT. 293 00:22:24,689 --> 00:22:28,209 IT'S MY JOB TO PROVIDE EVERYTHING FOR MY DAUGHTER, 294 00:22:28,206 --> 00:22:31,206 AND NOW I CAN'T DO THAT. 295 00:22:31,206 --> 00:22:34,656 IT'S MY JOB NOT TO BRING SHAME TO MY FAMILY, 296 00:22:34,655 --> 00:22:38,925 AND I COULDN'T DO THAT. 297 00:22:38,931 --> 00:22:42,791 THEY SAY THAT, UH, 298 00:22:42,793 --> 00:22:47,933 THAT GOD WOULDN'T GIVE YOU MORE THAN YOU COULD HANDLE. 299 00:22:47,931 --> 00:22:50,521 SOMETIMES I WISH HE DIDN'T TRUST ME SO MUCH. 300 00:22:54,413 --> 00:22:57,623 HOW MUCH CAN YOU LOSE 301 00:22:57,620 --> 00:23:00,240 AND STILL BE WHO YOU ARE? 302 00:23:15,482 --> 00:23:18,592 FOR THREE MONTHS, 303 00:23:18,586 --> 00:23:21,206 ALL I COULD THINK ABOUT IS, 304 00:23:21,206 --> 00:23:25,306 HOW LONG DID IT TAKE? 305 00:23:25,310 --> 00:23:29,760 YOU KNOW, WHEN DID SHE REALIZE 306 00:23:29,758 --> 00:23:33,688 THAT HE WAS GONNA KILL HER, 307 00:23:33,689 --> 00:23:38,479 THAT HE WASN'T GONNA STOP? 308 00:23:38,482 --> 00:23:40,662 GOT THE DOCTOR IN FORT WORTH 309 00:23:40,655 --> 00:23:46,095 THAT DID THE FORENSIC REPORT ON TINA, CALLED DOWN THERE. 310 00:23:46,103 --> 00:23:48,593 I SAID, "MY DAUGHTER'S TINA KIMBREW, 311 00:23:48,586 --> 00:23:54,136 SHE WAS SUFFOCATED," AND I SAID, "HOW LONG DID IT TAKE?" 312 00:23:54,137 --> 00:23:59,787 AND SHE SAID, "TINA KIMBREW," 313 00:23:59,793 --> 00:24:06,623 SAID, "SHE WAS ABOVE AVERAGE HEALTH... 314 00:24:06,620 --> 00:24:10,140 ALMOST 22 YEARS OLD, 315 00:24:10,137 --> 00:24:14,857 7 1/2 MINUTES." 316 00:24:14,862 --> 00:24:19,032 AND I... "WHAT?" 317 00:24:19,034 --> 00:24:21,664 AND SHE SAID, "WHAT I'M SAYING, ROBERT, 318 00:24:21,655 --> 00:24:26,925 "IS IF HE HAD QUIT IN 7 1/2 MINUTES, 319 00:24:26,931 --> 00:24:29,001 SHE WOULD HAVE STARTED BREATHING AGAIN." 320 00:24:34,862 --> 00:24:39,662 STILL, TODAY, I CAN LOOK AT A CLOCK 321 00:24:39,655 --> 00:24:42,545 AND THEN LOOK RIGHT BACK AT IT, 322 00:24:42,551 --> 00:24:44,971 AND IT 7 1/2 MINUTES LATER. 323 00:24:44,965 --> 00:24:47,925 I MEAN, IT'S AMAZING 324 00:24:47,931 --> 00:24:51,661 WHAT GOES ON IN YOUR LIFE IN 7 1/2 MINUTES. 325 00:25:08,517 --> 00:25:12,687 BARRY TOLD ME, "YOU'RE BETTER OFF PLEA BARGAINING IT" 326 00:25:12,689 --> 00:25:17,139 "AND GETTING HIM IN PRISON BECAUSE YOU CAN'T PREDICT 327 00:25:17,137 --> 00:25:19,897 "WHAT EVERYBODY ON THAT JURY IS GONNA DO, 328 00:25:19,896 --> 00:25:25,446 AND IT JUST TAKES ONE TO MESS IT UP." 329 00:25:25,448 --> 00:25:27,518 HE WAS GONNA PLEA BARGAIN IT, 330 00:25:27,517 --> 00:25:30,237 AND HE SAID HE COULD GET 35 YEARS, 331 00:25:30,241 --> 00:25:35,071 AND I WAS INSULTED THAT THEY DIDN'T ASK THE DEATH PENALTY. 332 00:25:42,137 --> 00:25:45,097 I KNEW HE WAS GONNA PAROLE OUT PRETTY QUICK, 333 00:25:45,103 --> 00:25:48,623 AND SO I WANTED TO SAY SOME STUFF TO HIM. 334 00:25:51,482 --> 00:25:54,522 HE KILLED MY DAUGHTER. 335 00:25:54,517 --> 00:25:55,967 I FELT LIKE HE OUGHT TO DIE. 336 00:26:12,172 --> 00:26:17,522 NO DOUBT, THE HARDEST PART WAS TRYING TO, UH, 337 00:26:17,517 --> 00:26:19,447 EXPLAIN TO JENNIFER 338 00:26:19,448 --> 00:26:21,588 WHY HER MAMA WASN'T COMING HOME. 339 00:26:27,103 --> 00:26:29,213 WHEN I FINALLY TOLD HER, 340 00:26:29,206 --> 00:26:32,166 "YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE YOUR MOMMY ANYMORE 341 00:26:32,172 --> 00:26:38,382 BECAUSE SHE'S GONE TO HEAVEN, 342 00:26:38,379 --> 00:26:41,719 SHE'S WITH THE ANGELS," 343 00:26:41,724 --> 00:26:45,244 AND, UH, OR WHATEVER I SAID. 344 00:26:45,241 --> 00:26:46,481 I COULDN'T EXPLAIN IT TO HER 345 00:26:46,482 --> 00:26:48,832 BECAUSE I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT MYSELF. 346 00:26:52,034 --> 00:26:54,344 NO KID SHOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT. 347 00:26:58,793 --> 00:27:02,103 THAT WAS PROBABLY THE MOST DIFFICULT MOMENT OF MY LIFE. 348 00:27:20,551 --> 00:27:23,721 THEY JUST KEPT COMING AFTER ME AND AFTER ME AND AFTER ME 349 00:27:23,724 --> 00:27:26,694 AND ALL THE INTERROGATIONS AND POLYGRAPHS 350 00:27:26,689 --> 00:27:31,479 AND FOLLOWING ME AROUND. 351 00:27:31,482 --> 00:27:35,382 I WAS THE ONLY SUSPECT THEY HAD. 352 00:27:35,379 --> 00:27:39,409 I WAS THE CLOSEST PERSON TO THE SITUATION, 353 00:27:39,413 --> 00:27:42,663 AND THEY COULDN'T LOOK ANYWHERE ELSE. 354 00:27:42,655 --> 00:27:45,785 IT WAS LIKE THEY WERE UNABLE TO LOOK ANYWHERE ELSE. 355 00:27:58,517 --> 00:28:00,447 HERE YOU ARE, SIR. 356 00:28:00,448 --> 00:28:03,898 ONE OF THE LOWEST POINTS WAS, A FRIEND OF MINE 357 00:28:03,896 --> 00:28:06,516 FROM HIGH SCHOOL 358 00:28:06,517 --> 00:28:10,617 THAT I HADN'T SEEN IN SEVERAL YEARS, 359 00:28:10,620 --> 00:28:13,280 ALL OF A SUDDEN SHOWS UP AT MY HOUSE. 360 00:28:13,275 --> 00:28:15,375 THANKS FOR COMING BY, MAN. 361 00:28:15,379 --> 00:28:17,899 I COULD REALLY USE A FRIENDLY FACE. 362 00:28:17,896 --> 00:28:22,376 YEAH, I CAN IMAGINE. 363 00:28:22,379 --> 00:28:26,929 SO... 364 00:28:26,931 --> 00:28:29,521 WHAT HAPPENED? 365 00:28:29,517 --> 00:28:32,967 HE AND I WERE LIKE BROTHERS, YOU KNOW, IN HIGH SCHOOL. 366 00:28:32,965 --> 00:28:34,655 SO I KNEW, SITTING THERE TALKING TO HIM, 367 00:28:34,655 --> 00:28:36,965 WHEN I HEARD THE TONE OF HIS QUESTIONS, 368 00:28:36,965 --> 00:28:41,205 THAT HE WAS WEARING A WIRE, TRYING TO TRIP ME UP. 369 00:28:41,206 --> 00:28:43,166 YOU GUYS WEREN'T FIGHTING OR ANYTHING? 370 00:28:43,172 --> 00:28:47,592 SHE WASN'T HAVING AN AFFAIR OR SOMETHING, MAYBE? 371 00:28:47,586 --> 00:28:48,996 NO. 372 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:54,860 EVEN THE PERSON THAT I TRUSTED MOST ON THIS PLANET... 373 00:28:54,862 --> 00:28:58,382 WAS WILLING TO COME AFTER ME 374 00:28:58,379 --> 00:29:03,519 LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE WAS. 375 00:29:03,517 --> 00:29:07,137 THAT WAS A PRETTY LOW BLOW, 376 00:29:07,137 --> 00:29:12,407 AND THAT TOLD ME, IT'S ME AGAINST THE WHOLE THING. 377 00:29:29,586 --> 00:29:35,406 I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH HIM, AND I TOOK IT. 378 00:29:35,413 --> 00:29:36,593 I WANTED TO DO IT. 379 00:29:36,586 --> 00:29:38,546 I HAD SOME STUFF I WANTED TO TELL HIM. 380 00:29:42,827 --> 00:29:48,447 I WAS EXPECTING A CHARLES MANSON TO WALK IN THAT ROOM. 381 00:29:48,448 --> 00:29:52,098 I WAS EXPECTING SOMEBODY WITH A TERRIBLE ATTITUDE, 382 00:29:52,103 --> 00:29:53,933 YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW. 383 00:29:53,931 --> 00:29:57,311 A BAD GUY, I WAS EXPECTING A BAD GUY. 384 00:29:57,310 --> 00:29:58,930 AND HERE THIS OLD BOY WALKS IN, 385 00:29:58,931 --> 00:30:04,171 AND HE'S GOT A NICE HAIRCUT, POLITE. 386 00:30:04,172 --> 00:30:07,382 I'M GLAD THAT YOU'RE HERE. 387 00:30:07,379 --> 00:30:09,999 I WANTED TO APOLOGIZE. 388 00:30:12,827 --> 00:30:18,097 I TOLD HIM EVERYTHING THAT I HATED HIM FOR. 389 00:30:18,103 --> 00:30:22,903 AND HE STARTED TELLING ME ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED THAT DAY. 390 00:30:22,896 --> 00:30:24,756 THEY GOT IN A FIGHT, 391 00:30:24,758 --> 00:30:29,928 AND HE SPUN HER AROUND 392 00:30:29,931 --> 00:30:34,211 AND PUT HIS ARM OVER HER FACE 393 00:30:34,206 --> 00:30:37,096 AND IN JUST A MINUTE, 394 00:30:37,103 --> 00:30:40,793 SHE JUST WENT LIMP, AND HE DROPPED HER. 395 00:30:40,793 --> 00:30:44,283 AND I SAID, FARYION, THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT HAPPENED. 396 00:30:44,275 --> 00:30:50,165 YOU SUFFOCATED HER WITH A PILLOW ON HER COUCH FOR 7 1/2 MINUTES, 397 00:30:50,172 --> 00:30:52,312 AND HE DIDN'T RESPOND TO IT. 398 00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:57,140 HE JUST LOOKED AT ME LIKE HE WAS PUZZLED, 399 00:30:57,137 --> 00:31:00,827 LIKE HE WAS TRYING TO REMEMBER. 400 00:31:00,827 --> 00:31:04,137 I KNEW WHAT HAPPENED, BUT WHY DIDN'T HE KNOW? 401 00:31:04,137 --> 00:31:05,857 HE WAS THERE. 402 00:31:05,862 --> 00:31:08,342 WHY WOULD HE TELL ME THIS STORY HE JUST TOLD ME? 403 00:31:28,551 --> 00:31:32,171 THESE CASES OCCURRED IN '84, '85, 404 00:31:32,172 --> 00:31:35,522 AND HERE WE ARE NOW IN THE '90s, 405 00:31:35,517 --> 00:31:41,377 AND WE HAD NOT SOLVED SIMS, GIBBS, OR BLAU. 406 00:31:41,379 --> 00:31:43,829 BUT I STILL WASN'T GOING TO GIVE UP ON TRYING 407 00:31:43,827 --> 00:31:46,407 TO RESOLVE WHO DID THESE. 408 00:31:46,413 --> 00:31:51,523 I ALWAYS HAD A BELIEF THAT BECAUSE WE DID HAVE DNA 409 00:31:51,517 --> 00:31:52,857 THAT WE WOULD ONE DAY 410 00:31:52,862 --> 00:31:56,382 BE ABLE TO SOLVE AT LEAST THOSE FIRST TWO CASES. 411 00:32:09,862 --> 00:32:14,662 I ASKED THE LAB, "CAN YOU TELL ME THE DNA SAMPLE 412 00:32:14,655 --> 00:32:16,025 FROM THOSE VICTIMS, 413 00:32:16,034 --> 00:32:21,554 IS IT FROM THE SAME PERPETRATOR?" 414 00:32:21,551 --> 00:32:25,141 THE HEAD OF THAT LAB HIMSELF CALLED ME. 415 00:32:25,137 --> 00:32:27,407 YEAH, I GOT THE CASE FILE RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME. 416 00:32:27,413 --> 00:32:32,833 THE DNA FROM THOSE TWO VICTIMS IS FROM THE SAME PERPETRATOR. 417 00:32:32,827 --> 00:32:36,687 YOU'RE LOOKING AT A SERIAL SITUATION. 418 00:32:36,689 --> 00:32:38,029 THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 419 00:32:43,413 --> 00:32:45,143 I WANTED A FRESH SET OF EYES 420 00:32:45,137 --> 00:32:48,407 TO LOOK AT WHAT WE'D BEEN LOOKING AT. 421 00:32:48,413 --> 00:32:50,973 THAT'S WHEN I ASSIGNED THE FIRST INVESTIGATOR 422 00:32:50,965 --> 00:32:52,925 TO THEN GO THROUGH THE FILES 423 00:32:52,931 --> 00:32:55,901 AND LOOK FOR COMMON FACTORS FOR A SUSPECT. 424 00:33:00,793 --> 00:33:03,593 AND HE CAME BACK WITH THE NAME OF FARYION WARDRIP. 425 00:33:18,965 --> 00:33:24,165 WARDRIP WORKED AT THE HOSPITAL WHERE TONI GIBBS WORKED. 426 00:33:24,172 --> 00:33:27,142 HE LIVED IN AN APARTMENT JUST UP THE STREET 427 00:33:27,137 --> 00:33:31,687 FROM WHERE TERRY SIMS WAS MURDERED. 428 00:33:31,689 --> 00:33:37,589 AND ELLEN BLAU, HER BEST FRIENDS LIVED IN THE APARTMENT COMPLEX 429 00:33:37,586 --> 00:33:40,096 WHERE WARDRIP LIVED. 430 00:33:40,103 --> 00:33:43,453 THIS IS A PERSON THAT WE HAVE TO EXCLUDE. 431 00:33:52,896 --> 00:33:56,336 THE LAB TECHNICIAN TELLS THE INVESTIGATOR, 432 00:33:56,344 --> 00:33:57,904 "THERE'S NO DOUBT IN MY MIND. 433 00:33:57,896 --> 00:34:01,896 THIS IS THE PERSON WHOSE DNA MATCHES." 434 00:34:01,896 --> 00:34:03,926 WE WERE ELATED. 435 00:34:03,931 --> 00:34:07,661 YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF LIKE WE FINALLY FOUND 436 00:34:07,655 --> 00:34:09,205 WHO THE BOGEYMAN WAS. 437 00:34:17,551 --> 00:34:21,661 HIS PAROLE OFFICER GOT HIM IN, AND WARDRIP SAID, 438 00:34:21,655 --> 00:34:24,895 "WE'LL GIVE YOU A STATEMENT ABOUT THOSE MURDERS." 439 00:34:46,758 --> 00:34:48,098 ABOUT READY TO SHUT IT DOWN, 440 00:34:48,103 --> 00:34:50,793 AND WARDRIP SAYS, "OH, AND BY THE WAY, 441 00:34:50,793 --> 00:34:53,793 I NEED TO TELL YOU ABOUT ONE IN FORT WORTH." 442 00:34:53,793 --> 00:34:56,313 WE DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT A VICTIM IN FORT WORTH. 443 00:36:09,482 --> 00:36:14,002 16 YEARS AFTER DEBBIE'S DEATH, I GOT A PHONE CALL, 444 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,340 AND THEY SAID THEY HAD CAUGHT THE GUY. 445 00:36:16,344 --> 00:36:18,174 AND I SAID, "WELL, WHAT GUY?" 446 00:36:18,172 --> 00:36:22,592 AND THEY SAID, "WELL, THE GUY THAT KILLED YOUR WIFE." 447 00:36:22,586 --> 00:36:24,716 "HE'S CONFESSED TO IT, AND WE'VE GOT HIM, 448 00:36:24,724 --> 00:36:27,314 AND YOU'VE BEEN EXONERATED." 449 00:36:27,310 --> 00:36:29,830 THANK YOU. 450 00:36:29,827 --> 00:36:33,447 I JUST COULDN'T EVEN HARDLY BELIEVE MY EARS. 451 00:36:33,448 --> 00:36:38,068 YOU KNOW, AFTER ALL THAT TIME, I'D GIVEN UP HOPE. 452 00:36:38,068 --> 00:36:40,658 BYE. 453 00:36:42,827 --> 00:36:45,997 THAT WAS, MAYBE, MY FAVORITE PHONE CALL OF ALL TIME. 454 00:36:51,620 --> 00:36:56,070 THIS IS THE EXHIBIT THAT I PREPARED 455 00:36:56,068 --> 00:37:00,408 FOR THE CAPITAL MURDER CASE. 456 00:37:00,413 --> 00:37:04,793 I WANTED THE JURY TO SEE WHAT HE HAD DONE. 457 00:37:07,034 --> 00:37:11,454 TONI GIBBS, SHE HAD HER LIFE IN FRONT OF HER. 458 00:37:11,448 --> 00:37:15,898 HER YOUNGEST SISTER, KATIE, THE MORNING SHE WAS MURDERED, 459 00:37:15,896 --> 00:37:18,656 SHE WAS GONNA GO BUY HER A BICYCLE. 460 00:37:23,586 --> 00:37:27,656 DIDN'T GET TO DO IT. 461 00:37:27,655 --> 00:37:32,585 DEBRA TAYLOR, HER HUSBAND WAS OSTRACIZED 462 00:37:32,586 --> 00:37:34,966 BECAUSE THEY BELIEVED THAT HE DID IT, 463 00:37:34,965 --> 00:37:39,375 AND, OF COURSE, WE NOW KNOW THAT HE DID NOT DO IT. 464 00:37:39,379 --> 00:37:41,999 AND THEN WE HAVE TINA KIMBREW, 465 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:47,310 SINGLE, ONLY CHILD OF HER MOM AND DAD. 466 00:37:49,413 --> 00:37:53,933 TERRY SIMS, ELLEN BLAU, 467 00:37:53,931 --> 00:37:58,691 HE HAD WIPED OUT THESE BEAUTIFUL, YOUNG GIRLS 468 00:37:58,689 --> 00:38:03,519 AND LEFT THEIR FAMILIES DEVASTATED BY THEIR LOSS. 469 00:38:16,965 --> 00:38:19,855 I MEAN, I KNOW THE WORLD WE LIVE IN. 470 00:38:19,862 --> 00:38:23,722 THIS HAPPENS, AND I'M JUST GRATEFUL 471 00:38:23,724 --> 00:38:29,144 THAT WE WERE ABLE TO SOLVE IT. 472 00:38:29,137 --> 00:38:32,687 AFTER WARDRIP HAD ADMITTED 473 00:38:32,689 --> 00:38:36,209 THAT HE HAD COMMITTED THE MURDERS, 474 00:38:36,206 --> 00:38:40,306 I CALLED ROBERT TO TELL HIM WARDRIP HAD LIED TO HIM, 475 00:38:40,310 --> 00:38:44,340 ABSOLUTELY LIED TO HIM, FACE-TO-FACE, 476 00:38:44,344 --> 00:38:49,974 THAT TINA WAS THE ONLY PERSON THAT HE'D EVER HURT. 477 00:38:49,965 --> 00:38:53,515 I KNEW IT WOULD HURT HIM, 478 00:38:53,517 --> 00:38:55,277 AND IT DID. 479 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:02,410 AT THE TIME, 480 00:39:02,413 --> 00:39:05,933 I DIDN'T KNOW I WAS TALKING TO A SERIAL KILLER. 481 00:39:05,931 --> 00:39:09,591 WHEN HE WAS TELLING ME WHAT HAPPENED BETWEEN HIM AND TINA, 482 00:39:09,586 --> 00:39:14,136 HE ACTUALLY TOLD ME ABOUT KILLING SOMEBODY ELSE. 483 00:39:14,137 --> 00:39:16,237 BARRY TOLD ME THAT. 484 00:39:16,241 --> 00:39:20,971 HE SAID, "ROBERT, HE TOLD YOU ABOUT KILLING ANOTHER GIRL." 485 00:39:20,965 --> 00:39:25,655 I DON'T KNOW WHY TINA DIED, TO THIS DAY. 486 00:39:25,655 --> 00:39:28,205 I DON'T KNOW WHY. 487 00:39:28,206 --> 00:39:29,476 AND I WANTED TO KNOW. 488 00:39:29,482 --> 00:39:30,972 I MEAN, THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS. 489 00:39:30,965 --> 00:39:35,165 WHAT CAUSED ALL THIS? 490 00:39:35,172 --> 00:39:41,172 I MEAN, YOU SPEND 22 YEARS RAISING A KID, 491 00:39:41,172 --> 00:39:45,342 AND THEN, JUST AT THE SNAP OF YOUR FINGER, IT'S GONE. 492 00:39:45,344 --> 00:39:46,974 CHILDREN ARE CHILDREN. 493 00:39:46,965 --> 00:39:49,965 THEY'RE YOUR KIDS FOREVER. 494 00:39:49,965 --> 00:39:54,405 AND I WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW WHO TINA WAS. 495 00:39:54,413 --> 00:39:56,903 WE WILL NEVER KNOW WHAT SHE WOULD BE, 496 00:39:56,896 --> 00:40:00,656 BUT WE KNOW WHAT SHE WAS. 497 00:40:00,655 --> 00:40:03,715 SHE WAS MY DAUGHTER, AND SHE WAS REAL SPECIAL. 498 00:40:14,379 --> 00:40:20,279 THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I TOLD MY WHOLE STORY TO ANYBODY 499 00:40:20,275 --> 00:40:25,995 AND ESPECIALLY IN THIS DETAIL, AND IT'S GONNA BE MY LAST. 500 00:40:36,034 --> 00:40:38,904 YOU NOTICE HOW MUCH SHE LOOKS LIKE HER MAMA? 501 00:40:45,448 --> 00:40:48,338 I DON'T REMEMBER JENNIFER AND I 502 00:40:48,344 --> 00:40:53,454 TALKING ABOUT THIS A WHOLE LOT AS SHE GREW UP. 503 00:40:53,448 --> 00:40:56,758 I'VE HEARD SOME BITS AND PIECES THROUGHOUT MY LIFE, 504 00:40:56,758 --> 00:41:01,208 BUT HEARING HIM TELL THIS STORY'S 505 00:41:01,206 --> 00:41:02,856 IS A LOT HARDER TO LISTEN TO 506 00:41:02,862 --> 00:41:07,142 BECAUSE HE'S REALLY NEVER SPOKEN ABOUT IT 507 00:41:07,137 --> 00:41:09,997 IN THIS MUCH DETAIL BEFORE. 508 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:15,310 I KNOW THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO KNEW MY MOTHER, 509 00:41:15,310 --> 00:41:17,450 THEY LOOK AT ME, AND THEY SEE HER, 510 00:41:17,448 --> 00:41:21,408 SO I KNOW THAT IT'S HARD FOR THEM SOMETIMES. 511 00:41:24,034 --> 00:41:27,664 SO THAT'S KIND OF SOMETHING I'VE CARRIED WITH ME. 512 00:41:27,655 --> 00:41:31,825 IT'S BEEN HARD TO LOOK LIKE HER. 513 00:41:31,827 --> 00:41:34,067 YOU COULD BE TWINS. 514 00:41:34,068 --> 00:41:35,718 YOU'RE SO MUCH ALIKE. 515 00:41:43,241 --> 00:41:45,411 I JUST WISH SHE WERE STILL HERE. 516 00:41:52,034 --> 00:41:57,694 THE LOSS OF THE WOMAN I LOVED AND OUR FAMILY, 517 00:41:57,689 --> 00:41:59,929 THE WAY IT WAS, 518 00:41:59,931 --> 00:42:05,281 IT WAS A LOT TO DEAL WITH. 519 00:42:05,275 --> 00:42:09,655 IT'S AMAZING HOW MUCH YOU CAN KEEP INSIDE. 520 00:42:12,793 --> 00:42:15,173 PEOPLE TALK ABOUT CLOSURE. 521 00:42:15,172 --> 00:42:18,862 THEY THROW THAT WORD AROUND LIKE A FRISBEE. 522 00:42:18,862 --> 00:42:21,552 THERE AIN'T NO CLOSURE. 523 00:42:21,551 --> 00:42:24,691 YOU DON'T GET OVER THIS. 524 00:42:24,689 --> 00:42:28,069 YOU JUST FIND A WAY TO GET PAST IT. 525 00:42:28,068 --> 00:42:30,278 THAT'S THE BEST YOU CAN HOPE FOR.