1 00:00:13,079 --> 00:00:16,348 - I'm kate snow, and this is "dateline: Secrets uncovered". 2 00:00:18,018 --> 00:00:21,186 - He's like, "I'm gonna destroy you." 3 00:00:21,188 --> 00:00:23,055 The fear was terrible. 4 00:00:23,057 --> 00:00:26,425 I can't even describe it, it's a surreal thing. 5 00:00:26,427 --> 00:00:28,226 People thought I was dead. 6 00:00:28,228 --> 00:00:30,362 - The attack was sudden and savage. 7 00:00:30,364 --> 00:00:32,431 - I saw a man standing there. 8 00:00:32,433 --> 00:00:34,232 I heard multiple shots. 9 00:00:34,234 --> 00:00:36,301 - The wife, the only witness. 10 00:00:36,303 --> 00:00:38,037 - The only thing I could see was his eyes. 11 00:00:38,039 --> 00:00:40,806 - Her story was concerning, about a masked man 12 00:00:40,808 --> 00:00:42,541 Shooting her husband and leaving her alive. 13 00:00:42,543 --> 00:00:44,009 I'm worried, did she kill him herself? 14 00:00:44,011 --> 00:00:45,644 Did she hire somebody? 15 00:00:45,646 --> 00:00:47,112 - Then a revelation: 16 00:00:47,114 --> 00:00:49,415 The dead man had a dangerous dream. 17 00:00:52,152 --> 00:00:53,652 - We ended up finding a lot of paperwork 18 00:00:53,654 --> 00:00:55,587 Related to the oil business. 19 00:00:55,589 --> 00:00:56,688 - I remember him telling us. 20 00:00:56,690 --> 00:00:58,423 "I'm gonna make millions of dollars." 21 00:00:58,425 --> 00:01:01,326 - A big money venture oozing with outlaws. 22 00:01:03,730 --> 00:01:06,031 - A violent individual, been to prison for robbery. 23 00:01:06,033 --> 00:01:08,333 A big man, probably two hundred and fifty pounds 24 00:01:08,335 --> 00:01:11,603 Of steroided rock muscle and significant criminal history. 25 00:01:11,605 --> 00:01:13,004 - Greed is what killed my dad. 26 00:01:13,006 --> 00:01:15,507 Greed is what caused all of this. 27 00:01:15,509 --> 00:01:19,411 - A thirst for oil, a lust for blood. 28 00:01:19,413 --> 00:01:22,881 - I trusted a con artist. I trusted a sociopath. 29 00:01:22,883 --> 00:01:23,949 - Wild, isn't it? 30 00:01:23,951 --> 00:01:26,284 What can happen to a quiet little prairie town 31 00:01:26,286 --> 00:01:27,652 When oil comes along. - Yeah. 32 00:01:27,654 --> 00:01:35,694 ♪♪ 33 00:01:35,696 --> 00:01:38,997 - Hello, and welcome to "dateline: Secrets uncovered". 34 00:01:38,999 --> 00:01:40,632 Businessman doug carlile 35 00:01:40,634 --> 00:01:43,435 Was convinced he was about to strike it rich, 36 00:01:43,437 --> 00:01:47,172 With a deal guaranteed to set his family up for life. 37 00:01:47,174 --> 00:01:50,242 But after the loving grandfather was gunned down, 38 00:01:50,244 --> 00:01:53,579 Investigators wanted to know who set him up. 39 00:01:53,581 --> 00:01:55,313 In the hunt for doug's killer, 40 00:01:55,315 --> 00:01:57,916 Detectives uncovered secrets that led them 41 00:01:57,918 --> 00:02:01,453 To an intricate murder plot, and another frightening 42 00:02:01,455 --> 00:02:05,123 Discovery: Doug was not the only victim. 43 00:02:05,125 --> 00:02:08,127 Here's keith morrison with "a dangerous man". 44 00:02:08,129 --> 00:02:14,132 ♪♪ 45 00:02:14,134 --> 00:02:15,934 - Among the green and pleasant landscapes 46 00:02:15,936 --> 00:02:17,669 Of american privilege is a fine, 47 00:02:17,671 --> 00:02:22,240 Historic rise of land called the south hill. 48 00:02:22,242 --> 00:02:24,242 Here, for a hundred years, has been the home of 49 00:02:24,244 --> 00:02:26,678 Spokane, washington's elite. 50 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,181 In their queen anne and craftsman mansions, 51 00:02:29,183 --> 00:02:30,649 Peace lives here. 52 00:02:30,651 --> 00:02:33,885 Quiet, rectitude, and certainly not 53 00:02:33,887 --> 00:02:36,688 The kind of story we're about to tell, 54 00:02:36,690 --> 00:02:39,358 The kind of story with ambitious men, 55 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,260 Dark plots, and dames. 56 00:02:42,262 --> 00:02:45,197 - I asked him, I said, "am I just 57 00:02:45,199 --> 00:02:47,499 "the dumb blonde who missed it? 58 00:02:47,501 --> 00:02:50,035 "or did everyone miss it?" 59 00:02:50,037 --> 00:02:52,404 - The one so many people missed. 60 00:02:52,406 --> 00:02:54,973 Before that dreadful event here 61 00:02:54,975 --> 00:02:57,709 In the wooded enclave of life's winners. 62 00:02:57,711 --> 00:03:00,111 - He thought that god was blessing him and my mom. 63 00:03:00,113 --> 00:03:02,181 - We thought we were walking on water. 64 00:03:02,183 --> 00:03:04,382 - Here they were, empty nesters, 65 00:03:04,384 --> 00:03:07,519 All alone in their grand house in the south hill, 66 00:03:07,521 --> 00:03:09,254 Convinced that their successes, 67 00:03:09,256 --> 00:03:12,123 Their six grown kids, their good life, 68 00:03:12,125 --> 00:03:15,894 Were products of an unflinching trust in god. 69 00:03:15,896 --> 00:03:17,930 - You know, he finally got out of the desert, 70 00:03:17,932 --> 00:03:21,066 And he was gonna get into the promised land. 71 00:03:21,068 --> 00:03:25,938 - Yes, the promised land, riches beyond imagining. 72 00:03:25,940 --> 00:03:29,808 As the not-so-dumb blond knew so well. 73 00:03:29,810 --> 00:03:32,844 - It was a madhouse, it was the wild west. 74 00:03:32,846 --> 00:03:36,348 - So maybe that's why the thing on the south hill 75 00:03:36,350 --> 00:03:38,416 Wasn't gonna stay here. 76 00:03:38,418 --> 00:03:42,020 - My life will never be the same. 77 00:03:42,022 --> 00:03:44,089 I'm sorry. 78 00:03:44,091 --> 00:03:48,627 ♪♪ 79 00:03:48,629 --> 00:03:51,430 - It was wintertime when it happened, christmas season, 80 00:03:51,432 --> 00:03:54,299 15th of December, 2013, 81 00:03:54,301 --> 00:03:56,868 A Sunday evening after church. 82 00:04:04,378 --> 00:04:06,578 - This is how our story began, 83 00:04:06,580 --> 00:04:09,681 In an ugly splash of violence and terror. 84 00:04:16,257 --> 00:04:19,858 - But was this the beginning of the story 85 00:04:19,860 --> 00:04:21,593 Or the end? 86 00:04:21,595 --> 00:04:23,695 That was the evening spokane police detectives, 87 00:04:23,697 --> 00:04:26,264 Brian seznick and mark burbridge were pulled 88 00:04:26,266 --> 00:04:29,301 Into the strangest case of their careers. 89 00:04:29,303 --> 00:04:33,672 - It was the most unique homicide I had investigated, 90 00:04:33,674 --> 00:04:36,007 Uh, and I knew that from the first moments 91 00:04:36,009 --> 00:04:37,676 Of my involvement. - Really? 92 00:04:37,678 --> 00:04:39,744 Just, you knew? - Yes. 93 00:04:39,746 --> 00:04:42,147 - It was seznick who drove over first to the address 94 00:04:42,149 --> 00:04:43,749 On south hill. 95 00:04:43,751 --> 00:04:47,319 The sort of place a homicide detective can go a whole career 96 00:04:47,321 --> 00:04:49,354 Without visiting a single time. 97 00:04:49,356 --> 00:04:52,157 - The house, it's in a-a very 98 00:04:52,159 --> 00:04:54,426 Upper class neighborhood. - Yeah. 99 00:04:54,428 --> 00:04:56,761 The south hill, that's like where you wanna be 100 00:04:56,763 --> 00:04:57,996 In town, yeah? - Right. 101 00:04:57,998 --> 00:04:59,164 I mean, the street that it's on, 102 00:04:59,166 --> 00:05:01,233 I'd never been to before. Um, there's just not-- 103 00:05:01,235 --> 00:05:02,934 - Why would you? As a homicide detective, 104 00:05:02,936 --> 00:05:03,868 You're just not gonna go there. - There's just not-- 105 00:05:03,870 --> 00:05:05,370 Yeah, there's just not crime up there 106 00:05:05,372 --> 00:05:07,172 In general, so it was very odd. 107 00:05:07,174 --> 00:05:08,573 - The home, the detective learned, 108 00:05:08,575 --> 00:05:11,643 Belonged to a businessman named doug carlile, 109 00:05:11,645 --> 00:05:14,979 And his wife of many years, elberta. 110 00:05:14,981 --> 00:05:17,449 First responders had arrived sometime earlier, 111 00:05:17,451 --> 00:05:19,517 Put up their crime scene tape. 112 00:05:19,519 --> 00:05:21,519 Seznick walked into the house. 113 00:05:21,521 --> 00:05:23,588 - It was just a weird scene all in all. 114 00:05:23,590 --> 00:05:26,591 Um, this was December 15th, there's christmas music 115 00:05:26,593 --> 00:05:28,259 Playing throughout the house 116 00:05:28,261 --> 00:05:29,994 As we're investigating. - That would be bizarre. 117 00:05:29,996 --> 00:05:31,996 - It was very bizarre. 118 00:05:31,998 --> 00:05:33,665 They're very religious people, 119 00:05:33,667 --> 00:05:35,400 So there's religious, you know, 120 00:05:35,402 --> 00:05:37,669 Scripture written on the walls. 121 00:05:37,671 --> 00:05:39,938 And then you have this-this horribly violent 122 00:05:39,940 --> 00:05:42,874 And gruesome murder with the body laying on the floor 123 00:05:42,876 --> 00:05:44,008 That you're investigating. 124 00:05:44,010 --> 00:05:46,678 It was a very, very odd scene. 125 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:48,980 - Sixty-three year old doug carlile was lying 126 00:05:48,982 --> 00:05:51,549 On the kitchen floor, clearly the victim 127 00:05:51,551 --> 00:05:53,551 Of a close range shooting. 128 00:05:53,553 --> 00:05:55,954 - There was a lot of blood around the body, um, 129 00:05:55,956 --> 00:05:57,956 A lot of-- lot of shell casings, 130 00:05:57,958 --> 00:06:00,492 A lot of bullets lying around. 131 00:06:00,494 --> 00:06:03,094 - How badly was this person damaged? 132 00:06:03,096 --> 00:06:05,096 - Uh, he'd been shot seven times. 133 00:06:05,098 --> 00:06:07,232 It was obviously a very brutal attack, 134 00:06:07,234 --> 00:06:09,234 It wasn't a-- just a one-time shot 135 00:06:09,236 --> 00:06:10,702 And then the person ran out. 136 00:06:10,704 --> 00:06:12,370 - Clearly, somebody was making sure. 137 00:06:12,372 --> 00:06:13,805 - Correct, whoever had done this, 138 00:06:13,807 --> 00:06:16,374 We knew that they wanted to make sure he didn't survive. 139 00:06:16,376 --> 00:06:18,510 - And whatever had happened here 140 00:06:18,512 --> 00:06:19,644 Didn't appear to have been motivated 141 00:06:19,646 --> 00:06:21,713 By burglary or robbery. 142 00:06:21,715 --> 00:06:25,950 The entire house was locked up tight, windows, doors. 143 00:06:25,952 --> 00:06:27,152 - You know, he still had his wallet, 144 00:06:27,154 --> 00:06:28,520 He had his cell phone. 145 00:06:28,522 --> 00:06:30,655 Walking throughout the house, 146 00:06:30,657 --> 00:06:32,391 Everything was still in place. 147 00:06:32,393 --> 00:06:34,392 Um, it hadn't been ransacked, uh, 148 00:06:34,394 --> 00:06:36,995 Nothing was missing that we could find. 149 00:06:36,997 --> 00:06:39,130 - It was elberta, doug's wife, 150 00:06:39,132 --> 00:06:41,332 Who'd called 911 in what sounded like 151 00:06:41,334 --> 00:06:44,068 A state of abject terror. 152 00:06:44,070 --> 00:06:45,870 Arriving first responders had found her hiding 153 00:06:45,872 --> 00:06:47,705 In an upstairs closet. 154 00:06:47,707 --> 00:06:50,275 They took her downtown to talk to burbridge. 155 00:06:50,277 --> 00:06:52,411 - Elberta, my name is mark, I'm gonna be the lead 156 00:06:52,413 --> 00:06:53,879 Detective on this case. - I'm not very happy. 157 00:06:53,881 --> 00:06:55,480 I want-I wanted to see my husband 158 00:06:55,482 --> 00:06:57,549 And they wouldn't let me see him. 159 00:06:57,551 --> 00:07:00,251 - The detective was ready to sympathize, of course, 160 00:07:00,253 --> 00:07:03,288 But his training, his instinct, 161 00:07:03,290 --> 00:07:06,391 His eye told him not yet. 162 00:07:06,393 --> 00:07:08,160 Something looked a little off here. 163 00:07:08,162 --> 00:07:11,362 What'd you make of her? - She's unique, 164 00:07:11,364 --> 00:07:14,799 And some of her responses threw up red flags 165 00:07:14,801 --> 00:07:16,401 And made me concerned about whether she was 166 00:07:16,403 --> 00:07:18,803 Involved in this or not. - What kind of responses? 167 00:07:18,805 --> 00:07:20,939 - Uh, she didn't care about the police investigation, 168 00:07:20,941 --> 00:07:22,440 All she cared about was hugging her husband 169 00:07:22,442 --> 00:07:24,275 And praying for him, and wanted to pray 170 00:07:24,277 --> 00:07:25,644 Over her body and she was very upset 171 00:07:25,646 --> 00:07:28,146 That the patrol officers would not let her do that. 172 00:07:28,148 --> 00:07:31,182 - I want my husband! 173 00:07:31,184 --> 00:07:33,785 - There's nothing we can do for your husband right now. 174 00:07:33,787 --> 00:07:35,453 - Well, I could have- I could have held him, 175 00:07:35,455 --> 00:07:36,855 I could have told him I loved him, 176 00:07:36,857 --> 00:07:38,990 I could have prayed for him. 177 00:07:38,992 --> 00:07:41,459 - And then, when the detective asked what happened-- 178 00:07:41,461 --> 00:07:42,994 - This is what happened, we got home-- 179 00:07:42,996 --> 00:07:46,464 - --Elberta told a story, and neither the telling 180 00:07:46,466 --> 00:07:49,134 Nor the story made any sense at all. 181 00:07:51,771 --> 00:07:53,271 - I'm worried whether she had a motive. 182 00:07:53,273 --> 00:07:55,941 Money, jealousy, a boyfriend, 183 00:07:55,943 --> 00:07:57,943 He has a girlfriend she's mad about. 184 00:07:57,945 --> 00:07:59,143 - A wife's tale 185 00:07:59,145 --> 00:08:02,280 Raises questions and suspicions. 186 00:08:02,282 --> 00:08:03,515 - Rehearsed is a good word. 187 00:08:03,517 --> 00:08:04,749 - It sounded that way to you? 188 00:08:04,751 --> 00:08:05,817 - Yes, it did. 189 00:08:05,819 --> 00:08:08,687 - When "dateline: Secrets uncovered" continues. 190 00:08:19,365 --> 00:08:21,366 - Mark burbridge had seen a thing or two 191 00:08:21,368 --> 00:08:23,268 During his years on the police force. 192 00:08:23,270 --> 00:08:25,036 Had heard all the lies and dodges 193 00:08:25,038 --> 00:08:28,339 And witnessed floods of phony tears. 194 00:08:28,341 --> 00:08:31,509 So he paid careful, experienced attention 195 00:08:31,511 --> 00:08:34,379 When elberta carlile told him what happened 196 00:08:34,381 --> 00:08:38,249 That Sunday evening in the house on south hill. 197 00:08:38,251 --> 00:08:41,052 - What happened tonight? 198 00:08:41,054 --> 00:08:42,787 - We went to church. 199 00:08:42,789 --> 00:08:45,056 We went to a church function. 200 00:08:47,728 --> 00:08:49,561 Nothing-- I don't know what happened. 201 00:08:49,563 --> 00:08:51,262 Hell happened, a nightmare happened, 202 00:08:51,264 --> 00:08:53,064 That's what happened. - Okay. 203 00:08:53,066 --> 00:08:56,268 - And elberta's story, said detective burbridge, 204 00:08:56,270 --> 00:08:57,702 Just didn't add up. 205 00:08:57,704 --> 00:09:01,306 - All of a sudden I hear, uh, "it's okay, it's okay!" 206 00:09:01,308 --> 00:09:04,509 And then I hear-- I hear, um, 207 00:09:04,511 --> 00:09:07,746 "back off, back off, back off!" 208 00:09:07,748 --> 00:09:10,815 And when I heard the "back off" I saw-- 209 00:09:10,817 --> 00:09:14,886 I looked and saw a man standing there in all black. 210 00:09:14,888 --> 00:09:18,156 - Her story was concerning about a masked man wearing 211 00:09:18,158 --> 00:09:20,559 All black coming into the house and shooting her 212 00:09:20,561 --> 00:09:22,560 Husband and leaving, and leaving her alive. 213 00:09:22,562 --> 00:09:24,529 Made me worried that maybe she'd hired a hit man 214 00:09:24,531 --> 00:09:25,863 Or maybe she was making up the story 215 00:09:25,865 --> 00:09:28,132 And she was involved in what happened. 216 00:09:28,134 --> 00:09:31,603 - The thing was, the killer saw elberta. 217 00:09:31,605 --> 00:09:33,571 She came right out and said so. 218 00:09:33,573 --> 00:09:36,774 They stared at each other, soul to soul. 219 00:09:36,776 --> 00:09:40,678 So why would a hit man leave an eyewitness alive? 220 00:09:40,680 --> 00:09:43,514 Unless, she was in on it? 221 00:09:43,516 --> 00:09:44,983 - I'm worried whether she had a motive. 222 00:09:44,985 --> 00:09:47,752 Money, jealousy, a boyfriend, 223 00:09:47,754 --> 00:09:49,521 He has a girlfriend she's mad about. 224 00:09:49,523 --> 00:09:51,756 Did she kill him herself? Did she hire somebody? 225 00:09:51,758 --> 00:09:54,192 Did she get one of the children to do it? 226 00:09:54,194 --> 00:09:56,027 These are all my concerns. 227 00:09:56,029 --> 00:09:58,930 - Besides, said burbridge, he's seen many people 228 00:09:58,932 --> 00:10:00,999 Caught by sudden violence and grief, 229 00:10:01,001 --> 00:10:04,836 And elberta was agitated, certainly, 230 00:10:04,838 --> 00:10:07,472 But to his practiced eye, her emotional reaction 231 00:10:07,474 --> 00:10:10,675 Was somehow flat, as if practiced. 232 00:10:10,677 --> 00:10:11,676 It bothered him. 233 00:10:11,678 --> 00:10:15,013 - How long had you been home? 234 00:10:15,015 --> 00:10:16,881 - It happened instantly when we got home. 235 00:10:16,883 --> 00:10:19,083 It was like somebody ambushed him. 236 00:10:19,085 --> 00:10:21,286 - The way she told her story about a masked man 237 00:10:21,288 --> 00:10:24,188 Killing her husband of forty-two years... 238 00:10:24,190 --> 00:10:27,425 - It almost seemed like it was rehearsed or like 239 00:10:27,427 --> 00:10:29,527 She'd thought about this and, "what could I say?" 240 00:10:29,529 --> 00:10:31,029 - Rehearsed is a good word. 241 00:10:31,031 --> 00:10:32,330 - It sounded that way to you? 242 00:10:32,332 --> 00:10:33,798 - Yes, it did. 243 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:37,101 - But you don't have to take it from the detective, 244 00:10:37,103 --> 00:10:40,371 We were able to arrange an interview with elberta too. 245 00:10:40,373 --> 00:10:43,708 - My whole life was over as I knew it. 246 00:10:43,710 --> 00:10:46,110 - Elberta told us that when she and her husband returned 247 00:10:46,112 --> 00:10:48,913 From church that evening, they drove through the gate 248 00:10:48,915 --> 00:10:50,915 Of their property as usual. 249 00:10:50,917 --> 00:10:53,117 - He goes, "I'll get the gate, you get the door." 250 00:10:53,119 --> 00:10:55,453 - Did anything look pretty much the same as when you left? 251 00:10:55,455 --> 00:10:57,455 - No, no. 252 00:10:57,457 --> 00:10:58,790 It just didn't feel right. 253 00:10:58,792 --> 00:11:01,593 So I started to head up the stairs by this time, 254 00:11:01,595 --> 00:11:04,796 And I got all the way to the top of the stairs, 255 00:11:04,798 --> 00:11:08,866 And I started down the hall and I heard muffled noises. 256 00:11:08,868 --> 00:11:10,334 Headed right back down the stairs. 257 00:11:10,336 --> 00:11:14,138 And I got down all the way to the bottom stairs. 258 00:11:14,140 --> 00:11:15,206 I called out to doug and I said, 259 00:11:15,208 --> 00:11:18,076 "doug, is somebody here?" 260 00:11:18,078 --> 00:11:20,378 And I looked to my left, the man was standing 261 00:11:20,380 --> 00:11:24,115 Right in front of the doorway. 262 00:11:24,117 --> 00:11:25,216 And so-- - how far away from you? 263 00:11:25,218 --> 00:11:26,350 - Ten feet at the most. - Close? 264 00:11:26,352 --> 00:11:29,220 - Nine feet. And I looked at him, 265 00:11:29,222 --> 00:11:33,224 And it was a man all in black, 266 00:11:33,226 --> 00:11:35,226 And he had a mask on, 267 00:11:35,228 --> 00:11:36,961 And he had a gun pointed 268 00:11:36,963 --> 00:11:38,696 Where I knew my husband was standing. 269 00:11:38,698 --> 00:11:40,298 - So you couldn't see doug-- - I couldn't see doug-- 270 00:11:40,300 --> 00:11:42,701 - --You just saw this man? - I only saw this man 271 00:11:42,703 --> 00:11:44,769 In black. He had a mask on, 272 00:11:44,771 --> 00:11:47,505 The only thing I could see was his eyes. 273 00:11:47,507 --> 00:11:51,709 And he looked at me, he never moved the gun, 274 00:11:51,711 --> 00:11:53,511 And he blinked three times. 275 00:11:53,513 --> 00:11:55,780 And I thought, "why is he blinking at me?" 276 00:11:55,782 --> 00:11:57,648 - I would think, "why is that guy in my house 277 00:11:57,650 --> 00:11:58,649 Holding a gun?" - no. 278 00:11:58,651 --> 00:12:02,053 What I thought was, "oh my god, what do I do? 279 00:12:02,055 --> 00:12:04,856 He's gonna-he's gonna kill me before I get up the stairs." 280 00:12:04,858 --> 00:12:07,725 I pulled myself up the rail, up the stairs and-- 281 00:12:07,727 --> 00:12:08,926 Because my legs wouldn't work. 282 00:12:08,928 --> 00:12:11,129 And I was just starting down the hall 283 00:12:11,131 --> 00:12:13,731 When I heard multiple shots. 284 00:12:13,733 --> 00:12:15,800 - Did you realize right away what must have happened? 285 00:12:15,802 --> 00:12:17,468 - Oh, absolutely. 286 00:12:17,470 --> 00:12:19,237 I knew my husband had to have been shot. 287 00:12:19,239 --> 00:12:23,675 And so I thought, "I gotta hide." 288 00:12:23,677 --> 00:12:26,577 - Elberta ran toward a closet on the home's second floor, 289 00:12:26,579 --> 00:12:29,748 She said, shut the door, and called 911. 290 00:12:45,832 --> 00:12:47,398 - Do you remember what it felt like in there? 291 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:48,900 What you felt like? 292 00:12:48,902 --> 00:12:51,302 - Oh, sheer desperation. 293 00:12:51,304 --> 00:12:55,006 Just sheer desperation and just this 294 00:12:55,008 --> 00:12:59,143 Overwhelming need to-to go to my husband. 295 00:12:59,145 --> 00:13:01,112 I wanted to go to him, I wanted to comfort him, 296 00:13:01,114 --> 00:13:02,647 I wanted to tell him I loved him, 297 00:13:02,649 --> 00:13:05,449 I wanted to tell him it was gonna be okay. 298 00:13:05,451 --> 00:13:06,951 I wanted to pray for him. 299 00:13:20,500 --> 00:13:21,566 - When the police arrived, 300 00:13:21,568 --> 00:13:23,735 They found elberta in the closet. 301 00:13:23,737 --> 00:13:25,336 - I said, "I want to go to my husband." 302 00:13:25,338 --> 00:13:26,637 They said, "well, they're working on him." 303 00:13:26,639 --> 00:13:28,272 And I said, "no, I want to go see him. 304 00:13:28,274 --> 00:13:29,941 Please let me go to my husband." 305 00:13:29,943 --> 00:13:33,478 And they said, "no, you can't go down there." 306 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:35,947 - Did you ever get to see him that night? 307 00:13:35,949 --> 00:13:37,748 - No, no. 308 00:13:37,750 --> 00:13:39,951 - Now elberta found herself face to face 309 00:13:39,953 --> 00:13:41,686 With detective burbridge. 310 00:13:41,688 --> 00:13:43,754 Trying to get him to believe a story about 311 00:13:43,756 --> 00:13:46,824 A masked killer who stared right at her, 312 00:13:46,826 --> 00:13:50,562 And yet, left her alive to tell the tale. 313 00:13:50,564 --> 00:13:52,129 - I mean, that sounds a little made up almost, 314 00:13:52,131 --> 00:13:53,431 Doesn't it? - Yes, it does. 315 00:13:53,433 --> 00:13:54,566 It sounds hollywood. 316 00:13:54,568 --> 00:13:57,168 - Have you ever heard of a case where somebody 317 00:13:57,170 --> 00:14:00,805 Laid eyes on a witness to him killing someone 318 00:14:00,807 --> 00:14:04,175 And didn't take any action? 319 00:14:04,177 --> 00:14:06,010 - I've never had that happen. 320 00:14:06,012 --> 00:14:07,345 - So you would have expected-- 321 00:14:07,347 --> 00:14:08,946 - Something, yes. - Yeah. 322 00:14:08,948 --> 00:14:10,181 - At least an attempt. 323 00:14:10,183 --> 00:14:12,583 - But there was something in elberta's story that night 324 00:14:12,585 --> 00:14:14,853 That did make sense. 325 00:14:14,855 --> 00:14:17,521 Before the murder, as she and doug drove to church, 326 00:14:17,523 --> 00:14:21,526 She said, they saw something out of place. 327 00:14:21,528 --> 00:14:24,695 - There was a van kind of sitting, like, 328 00:14:24,697 --> 00:14:27,365 Up against the curb, a white van. 329 00:14:27,367 --> 00:14:29,000 - Like it didn't belong there or something? 330 00:14:29,002 --> 00:14:31,802 - Yeah. - A white van. 331 00:14:31,804 --> 00:14:34,939 As police canvassed the neighborhood after the murder, 332 00:14:34,941 --> 00:14:38,276 A witness across the street said she saw it too. 333 00:14:38,278 --> 00:14:41,512 - She had come home, uh, around five o'clock that evening 334 00:14:41,514 --> 00:14:44,415 And noticed a white van parked in front of her house. 335 00:14:44,417 --> 00:14:46,617 And it was parked in a way that, uh, 336 00:14:46,619 --> 00:14:48,586 It made her nervous to the point she thought 337 00:14:48,588 --> 00:14:49,921 Maybe someone was breaking in. 338 00:14:49,923 --> 00:14:52,090 - I mean, why would she be suspicious of a van? 339 00:14:52,092 --> 00:14:55,559 - Right. It was a van she'd never seen before, um, 340 00:14:55,561 --> 00:14:57,828 And in that neighborhood everyone knows everyone. 341 00:14:57,830 --> 00:14:59,497 - The questions was: What did the white van 342 00:14:59,499 --> 00:15:02,233 Have to do with the murder of doug carlile. 343 00:15:02,235 --> 00:15:06,070 Or, the cops wondered, with his wife, elberta? 344 00:15:09,409 --> 00:15:11,709 - A neighborhood security camera. 345 00:15:11,711 --> 00:15:13,711 What tales would it tell? 346 00:15:13,713 --> 00:15:14,913 - We actually saw that suspect 347 00:15:14,915 --> 00:15:16,514 And saw the path that he ran. 348 00:15:16,516 --> 00:15:17,982 - Could you tell who it was? 349 00:15:17,984 --> 00:15:20,651 - All you could really see is that it was a subject 350 00:15:20,653 --> 00:15:23,855 Appeared to be muscular build, wearing all black. 351 00:15:23,857 --> 00:15:26,524 - When "dateline: Secrets uncovered" continues. 352 00:15:37,403 --> 00:15:39,603 - Up here on spokane's toney south hill, 353 00:15:39,605 --> 00:15:41,806 Beat cops and detectives fanned out around 354 00:15:41,808 --> 00:15:45,476 A neighborhood utterly unused to violent crime. 355 00:15:45,478 --> 00:15:47,878 But downtown at police headquarters... 356 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:49,447 - This is a secure building, so if you need to go somewhere, 357 00:15:49,449 --> 00:15:53,551 Knock on the door, okay? - What, I'm in jail? 358 00:15:53,553 --> 00:15:55,753 - The victim's wife, elberta carlile, 359 00:15:55,755 --> 00:15:58,823 Told a crazy story about a man in black 360 00:15:58,825 --> 00:16:01,759 Bursting into the house, killing her husband, 361 00:16:01,761 --> 00:16:03,995 Looking her square in the eye, 362 00:16:03,997 --> 00:16:05,963 But leaving her alive. 363 00:16:05,965 --> 00:16:09,500 So, burbridge wondered, did she hire him? 364 00:16:09,502 --> 00:16:11,702 - In my world, wives kill husbands. 365 00:16:11,704 --> 00:16:15,239 And so the relationship is-is a probability. 366 00:16:15,241 --> 00:16:18,242 - But then, up at the house, they heard a curious story 367 00:16:18,244 --> 00:16:19,577 From a neighbor. 368 00:16:19,579 --> 00:16:22,947 That very evening for a couple of hours before the shooting, 369 00:16:22,949 --> 00:16:25,516 A mysterious white van was parked just across 370 00:16:25,518 --> 00:16:27,352 The street from the carlile's house. 371 00:16:38,965 --> 00:16:41,265 - Of course, in many, if not most, 372 00:16:41,267 --> 00:16:44,201 Neighborhoods in america, a parked white van 373 00:16:44,203 --> 00:16:46,004 Might not attract a bit of attention. 374 00:16:51,277 --> 00:16:53,744 - But this is the south hill after all, 375 00:16:53,746 --> 00:16:55,813 Nondescript white vans don't just show up 376 00:16:55,815 --> 00:17:00,017 And hang around here. So the neighbor noticed. 377 00:17:00,019 --> 00:17:03,120 And then doug carlile winds up murdered. 378 00:17:03,122 --> 00:17:04,489 - We didn't know if it was related or not, 379 00:17:04,491 --> 00:17:06,457 But it-it was obviously something that we 380 00:17:06,459 --> 00:17:07,925 Considered immediately. 381 00:17:07,927 --> 00:17:10,294 - And again, this being the south hill, 382 00:17:10,296 --> 00:17:12,363 Another neighbor had the wherewithal to provide 383 00:17:12,365 --> 00:17:14,832 A special kind of help. 384 00:17:14,834 --> 00:17:15,966 - Homeowner in the neighborhood had 385 00:17:15,968 --> 00:17:18,169 A video camera that covered his driveway, 386 00:17:18,171 --> 00:17:20,171 And we picked up what we thought was the van 387 00:17:20,173 --> 00:17:22,106 About two hours before the murder. 388 00:17:22,108 --> 00:17:24,776 - Here it is, that video. 389 00:17:24,778 --> 00:17:26,177 And sure enough, 390 00:17:26,179 --> 00:17:29,713 A white van coming and going 391 00:17:29,715 --> 00:17:31,983 On the streets of south hill that night. 392 00:17:31,985 --> 00:17:35,052 But did it have anything to do with the murder? 393 00:17:35,054 --> 00:17:38,889 And what about that man in black elberta said she saw? 394 00:17:38,891 --> 00:17:43,127 If he actually existed, hired killer or whatever, 395 00:17:43,129 --> 00:17:45,663 He must have waited somewhere around the house 396 00:17:45,665 --> 00:17:47,965 For the carliles to get back from church. 397 00:17:47,967 --> 00:17:51,001 He could have killed doug carlile then possibly 398 00:17:51,003 --> 00:17:54,271 Escaped in that white van, but no one saw anyone 399 00:17:54,273 --> 00:17:55,606 Going out the front door. 400 00:17:55,608 --> 00:17:59,410 But what about back here behind the house? 401 00:17:59,412 --> 00:18:01,011 They called in a tracking dog, 402 00:18:01,013 --> 00:18:02,880 Stood back, and watched. 403 00:18:02,882 --> 00:18:06,017 Basically the track went through some arborvitae, 404 00:18:06,019 --> 00:18:08,419 Over a little fence, through the neighbor's backyard. 405 00:18:08,421 --> 00:18:09,887 And in the very back corner of their yard 406 00:18:09,889 --> 00:18:12,089 Is a gate that was left open. 407 00:18:12,091 --> 00:18:14,959 And just before the gate, there was a puddle of water. 408 00:18:14,961 --> 00:18:17,361 And there was a good footprint in that puddle of water, 409 00:18:17,363 --> 00:18:19,630 And it was apparent that it was fairly recent. 410 00:18:19,632 --> 00:18:21,832 - Could be your guy. - Could be our guy. 411 00:18:21,834 --> 00:18:24,034 Just beyond that, just outside the gate, 412 00:18:24,036 --> 00:18:26,437 There was a-- what appeared to be a welding glove 413 00:18:26,439 --> 00:18:28,539 Lying in the leaves. 414 00:18:28,541 --> 00:18:30,508 - A welding glove? - A welding glove. 415 00:18:30,510 --> 00:18:31,876 So right away we thought, "is this something 416 00:18:31,878 --> 00:18:33,844 That may have been dropped?" 417 00:18:33,846 --> 00:18:36,580 But it was odd enough and in a place that we knew 418 00:18:36,582 --> 00:18:39,917 The suspect had run after the incident, 419 00:18:39,919 --> 00:18:42,253 That we ended up collecting it as evidence. 420 00:18:42,255 --> 00:18:43,654 - Not really knowing whether that had 421 00:18:43,656 --> 00:18:45,055 Anything to do with your murder? 422 00:18:45,057 --> 00:18:48,192 - Correct, we didn't know we-- you know, in something 423 00:18:48,194 --> 00:18:49,794 Like this where it's a complete who-done-it, 424 00:18:49,796 --> 00:18:51,362 You know, you take everything and hope 425 00:18:51,364 --> 00:18:54,565 Something ends up helping your case. 426 00:18:54,567 --> 00:18:57,268 - They kept looking, so did the dog. 427 00:18:57,270 --> 00:18:59,403 Just beyond where the welding glove was found 428 00:18:59,405 --> 00:19:01,372 Was a small wooded area. 429 00:19:01,374 --> 00:19:04,075 And across the street an elementary school, 430 00:19:04,077 --> 00:19:07,545 Which meant maybe the school's security system 431 00:19:07,547 --> 00:19:09,814 Could get them a picture of the guy. 432 00:19:09,816 --> 00:19:12,350 - Another detective was able to get that video 433 00:19:12,352 --> 00:19:13,951 Almost immediately. 434 00:19:13,953 --> 00:19:16,453 - And sure enough, when they looked at the video, 435 00:19:16,455 --> 00:19:18,989 There he was. - We actually saw 436 00:19:18,991 --> 00:19:21,559 That suspect and saw the path that he ran. 437 00:19:21,561 --> 00:19:23,827 - Could you tell who it was or tell very much about him? 438 00:19:23,829 --> 00:19:25,496 - It was a very grainy video. 439 00:19:25,498 --> 00:19:27,698 All you could really see is that it was a subject, 440 00:19:27,700 --> 00:19:31,268 Appeared to be muscular build, wearing all black. 441 00:19:31,270 --> 00:19:32,636 - All black. 442 00:19:32,638 --> 00:19:35,239 He was hard to make out, but there he was in the video, 443 00:19:35,241 --> 00:19:39,043 The elusive man in black running toward a main road. 444 00:19:39,045 --> 00:19:40,644 - When detective burbridge arrived 445 00:19:40,646 --> 00:19:42,513 And got a look at this... 446 00:19:42,515 --> 00:19:44,782 - I've done a lot of homicides and-and, at that point, 447 00:19:44,784 --> 00:19:48,252 I thought that this was a professional hit man, 448 00:19:48,254 --> 00:19:50,588 Probably unrelated to our victim at all, 449 00:19:50,590 --> 00:19:53,157 Or the person involved in this. 450 00:19:53,159 --> 00:19:55,426 And I went and found my lieutenant. 451 00:19:55,428 --> 00:19:56,360 I knew that this was going to be 452 00:19:56,362 --> 00:19:57,995 A very complicated investigation, 453 00:19:57,997 --> 00:19:59,864 And we needed a lot more manpower to get 454 00:19:59,866 --> 00:20:03,300 Very fast on the case further down the road. 455 00:20:03,302 --> 00:20:04,668 - And so in a matter of hours, 456 00:20:04,670 --> 00:20:07,705 Detectives were called in from all over the department, 457 00:20:07,707 --> 00:20:09,707 Time off was cancelled. 458 00:20:09,709 --> 00:20:12,243 So many questions to answer: 459 00:20:12,245 --> 00:20:14,345 What else did the neighbor see? 460 00:20:14,347 --> 00:20:17,881 What did that welding glove have to do with anything? 461 00:20:17,883 --> 00:20:20,117 And who was the man in black? 462 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:24,288 And, a more basic question, was elberta carlile 463 00:20:24,290 --> 00:20:26,824 Involved in a plot to kill her husband? 464 00:20:29,295 --> 00:20:31,428 - The closer I got to the lord, 465 00:20:31,430 --> 00:20:34,031 It's like the further we got apart. 466 00:20:34,033 --> 00:20:36,834 - Even elberta admits their marriage had seen 467 00:20:36,836 --> 00:20:39,570 Its share of trouble. - I did something drastic, 468 00:20:39,572 --> 00:20:41,505 I left him without his knowledge. 469 00:20:41,507 --> 00:20:43,774 - Take the kids with you? - Oh, of course. 470 00:20:43,776 --> 00:20:46,544 - When "dateline: Secrets uncovered" continues. 471 00:20:55,787 --> 00:20:58,322 - Welcome back to "dateline: Secrets uncovered". 472 00:20:58,324 --> 00:20:59,723 I'm kate snow. 473 00:20:59,725 --> 00:21:03,327 Elberta carlile told detectives a harrowing tale, 474 00:21:03,329 --> 00:21:06,463 Saying she locked eyes with a masked intruder 475 00:21:06,465 --> 00:21:09,466 Moments before he opened fire on her husband. 476 00:21:09,468 --> 00:21:13,270 Investigators believed the killer was a gun for hire 477 00:21:13,272 --> 00:21:16,974 And wondered if elberta was hiding a deadly secret. 478 00:21:16,976 --> 00:21:20,411 But troubling questions about the carlile family fortune 479 00:21:20,413 --> 00:21:23,747 Would soon send investigators down a different path. 480 00:21:23,749 --> 00:21:26,984 Here again is keith morrison with "a dangerous man." 481 00:21:28,354 --> 00:21:30,587 - As police combed the south hill looking for 482 00:21:30,589 --> 00:21:33,657 Evidence of suspects in the murder of doug carlile, 483 00:21:33,659 --> 00:21:35,693 His wife elberta had no idea that 484 00:21:35,695 --> 00:21:37,695 Her behavior had raised alarms. 485 00:21:37,697 --> 00:21:39,630 Who cares about stupid evidence? 486 00:21:39,632 --> 00:21:43,300 - But, police 101, the victim's nearest and dearest 487 00:21:43,302 --> 00:21:46,103 Often becomes prime suspect number one. 488 00:21:46,105 --> 00:21:48,872 And elberta, with her wild story, 489 00:21:48,874 --> 00:21:50,874 Was certainly no exception. 490 00:21:50,876 --> 00:21:52,843 And then detective burbridge was able to get 491 00:21:52,845 --> 00:21:55,045 A close look at the early evidence. 492 00:21:55,047 --> 00:21:58,649 And especially that video of the running man in black. 493 00:21:58,651 --> 00:21:59,783 And... 494 00:21:59,785 --> 00:22:02,252 - Immediately it became apparent to me that 495 00:22:02,254 --> 00:22:03,954 Whoever did this had reconnoitered the scene 496 00:22:03,956 --> 00:22:05,022 And spent time planning this 497 00:22:05,024 --> 00:22:07,058 Because of the very elaborate escape route. 498 00:22:07,060 --> 00:22:08,659 It made me concerned that, uh, 499 00:22:08,661 --> 00:22:10,327 Elberta was probably telling the truth about 500 00:22:10,329 --> 00:22:12,596 Who was involved and what happened. 501 00:22:12,598 --> 00:22:14,532 - When burbridge saw all that planning, 502 00:22:14,534 --> 00:22:17,668 Along with the videotape showing a man in black, 503 00:22:17,670 --> 00:22:20,404 He thought it far less likely elberta carlile 504 00:22:20,406 --> 00:22:23,741 Was anything but a victim. 505 00:22:23,743 --> 00:22:25,876 But in her brain, while the detectives 506 00:22:25,878 --> 00:22:28,279 Kept going on about this question or that, 507 00:22:28,281 --> 00:22:30,781 Two thoughts blocked out all else: 508 00:22:30,783 --> 00:22:32,950 Her desire to see her husband 509 00:22:32,952 --> 00:22:36,387 And an overwhelming need to tell her children what happened. 510 00:22:36,389 --> 00:22:40,224 - I went to call them and I couldn't even see the numbers, 511 00:22:40,226 --> 00:22:42,026 I couldn't-- I was just frantic. 512 00:22:42,028 --> 00:22:43,894 And I said to the police, "help me!" 513 00:22:43,896 --> 00:22:45,729 And then I thought, "wait, you can't help me. 514 00:22:45,731 --> 00:22:47,765 You don't even know who I'm looking for." 515 00:22:47,767 --> 00:22:50,634 But finally, an hour away in the town of moses lake, 516 00:22:50,636 --> 00:22:53,370 The phone rang at the home of shane carlile. 517 00:22:53,372 --> 00:22:55,572 - I received a call from my mother. 518 00:22:55,574 --> 00:22:58,042 We were hanging ornaments on the christmas tree, 519 00:22:58,044 --> 00:23:00,511 And she said that, 520 00:23:00,513 --> 00:23:03,080 Just in a kind of a screaming panic, 521 00:23:03,082 --> 00:23:04,915 "shane, your dad-- 522 00:23:04,917 --> 00:23:09,086 Your dad, he was shot six times." 523 00:23:09,088 --> 00:23:11,622 - You called everybody? - Yeah, yeah. 524 00:23:11,624 --> 00:23:13,390 Yeah, the thought hadn't even sank in yet, 525 00:23:13,392 --> 00:23:16,861 It was just a straight up, "okay, let's get to work, 526 00:23:16,863 --> 00:23:18,596 Let's figure out what we have to do." 527 00:23:18,598 --> 00:23:21,398 I started contacting everybody and, you know, 528 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,000 To have to listen to everybody's cries 529 00:23:23,002 --> 00:23:25,369 And screams over the phone. 530 00:23:25,371 --> 00:23:27,604 - The carlile's eldest, malaney, 531 00:23:27,606 --> 00:23:29,873 Was at her own daughter's ballet recital 532 00:23:29,875 --> 00:23:31,675 Across the state near seattle. 533 00:23:31,677 --> 00:23:35,813 - He goes, "dad's been shot." and, um-- and I said, 534 00:23:35,815 --> 00:23:38,348 "I-- what do you mean dad's been shot?" 535 00:23:38,350 --> 00:23:41,552 Um, "dad has been killed." 536 00:23:41,554 --> 00:23:44,955 - And so malaney greeted her daughters after the recital 537 00:23:44,957 --> 00:23:46,857 With the news about grandpa. 538 00:23:46,859 --> 00:23:48,759 - Oh, they loved their grandpa. 539 00:23:48,761 --> 00:23:52,229 He was the greatest to them, to all three of them. 540 00:23:52,231 --> 00:23:54,498 They had really good relationships with him. 541 00:23:54,500 --> 00:23:57,801 - It was a relationship that almost wasn't. 542 00:23:57,803 --> 00:24:00,371 For any of them. 543 00:24:00,373 --> 00:24:02,573 - Doug and bertie, as he liked to call her, 544 00:24:02,575 --> 00:24:05,776 Were teenage sweethearts, married young, 545 00:24:05,778 --> 00:24:09,379 And as often happens, even as their family grew 546 00:24:09,381 --> 00:24:11,715 Their marriage shriveled. 547 00:24:11,717 --> 00:24:14,518 - What happened? - Life happens. 548 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:18,489 - Bertie found god, doug did not. 549 00:24:18,491 --> 00:24:20,657 - The closer I got to the lord, 550 00:24:20,659 --> 00:24:23,560 It's like the further we got apart. 551 00:24:23,562 --> 00:24:25,796 - Until it became clear to bertie, 552 00:24:25,798 --> 00:24:27,664 She won't go into detail, 553 00:24:27,666 --> 00:24:30,267 That she and doug were doomed. 554 00:24:30,269 --> 00:24:33,203 Unless... - I did something drastic. 555 00:24:33,205 --> 00:24:35,072 I left him without his knowledge-- 556 00:24:35,074 --> 00:24:37,007 - Take the kids with you? - Oh, of course. 557 00:24:37,009 --> 00:24:39,309 - So you went off on your own with four kids? 558 00:24:39,311 --> 00:24:42,746 - Mmhmm. No job, no nothing. 559 00:24:42,748 --> 00:24:45,349 Yeah. To a city I didn't know. 560 00:24:45,351 --> 00:24:47,218 - To seattle. 561 00:24:47,220 --> 00:24:48,886 Three hundred fifty miles from the little town 562 00:24:48,888 --> 00:24:51,222 In oregon where they lived back then. 563 00:24:51,224 --> 00:24:55,292 Her church kept her going, while doug-- well, 564 00:24:55,294 --> 00:24:57,494 Here's the story according to bertie. 565 00:24:57,496 --> 00:24:59,062 "he kept guns," said bertie. 566 00:24:59,064 --> 00:25:02,633 "lots of them. And lost and alone, 567 00:25:02,635 --> 00:25:05,469 He decided to use one on himself." 568 00:25:05,471 --> 00:25:08,973 - As he crawled toward-toward those guns, 569 00:25:08,975 --> 00:25:11,775 He said that he heard 570 00:25:11,777 --> 00:25:14,945 This horrid voice that said, 571 00:25:14,947 --> 00:25:17,114 "he's mine." 572 00:25:17,116 --> 00:25:20,317 And then he heard another voice that said, 573 00:25:20,319 --> 00:25:22,519 "no, he's not. He belongs to me." 574 00:25:22,521 --> 00:25:26,189 And he said it was a thunderous, authoritative, 575 00:25:26,191 --> 00:25:29,226 Shook the whole room voice. 576 00:25:29,228 --> 00:25:33,664 And the next thing he knew he felt arms picking him up 577 00:25:33,666 --> 00:25:36,199 And putting him on the bed. - He told you this? 578 00:25:36,201 --> 00:25:38,268 - Yes, he told me this months later. 579 00:25:38,270 --> 00:25:39,537 - Quite a story. 580 00:25:39,539 --> 00:25:42,740 The one that got doug saved and back with his family. 581 00:25:42,742 --> 00:25:45,809 After that, he started an excavation business, 582 00:25:45,811 --> 00:25:50,180 And as his kids grew up, six of them, many followed him. 583 00:25:50,182 --> 00:25:52,215 It became the family business. 584 00:25:52,217 --> 00:25:53,884 - He's a salesman. You know, 585 00:25:53,886 --> 00:25:56,587 He can-he can talk ya into something. 586 00:25:56,589 --> 00:25:57,421 - A charmer? 587 00:25:57,423 --> 00:25:59,023 - Yeah, totally. A total charmer. 588 00:25:59,025 --> 00:26:01,391 - What was his-his business philosophy? 589 00:26:01,393 --> 00:26:04,194 I mean, was he a numbers crunching guy 590 00:26:04,196 --> 00:26:05,495 Or was he a handshake guy? 591 00:26:05,497 --> 00:26:07,898 What what-what sort of-- - he was a handshake guy. 592 00:26:07,900 --> 00:26:11,401 He expected his word and a handshake was good, 593 00:26:11,403 --> 00:26:12,636 And he knew it was. 594 00:26:12,638 --> 00:26:17,040 He expected that of others, and that isn't always true. 595 00:26:17,042 --> 00:26:18,976 - And there were setbacks. 596 00:26:18,978 --> 00:26:21,445 Two bankruptcies, trouble with the irs, 597 00:26:21,447 --> 00:26:23,380 A string of failed businesses, 598 00:26:23,382 --> 00:26:26,183 And fallings out with business partners, 599 00:26:26,185 --> 00:26:29,553 Who accused doug of being less than honest 600 00:26:29,555 --> 00:26:31,521 And of not paying his bills. 601 00:26:31,523 --> 00:26:33,523 - How would doug react to those? 602 00:26:33,525 --> 00:26:35,593 - He never gave up, and we always 603 00:26:35,595 --> 00:26:37,728 Took care of what we owed, 604 00:26:37,730 --> 00:26:40,764 And we would move forward. 605 00:26:40,766 --> 00:26:42,132 - And as he entered midlife, 606 00:26:42,134 --> 00:26:45,602 Doug carlile seemed content doing deals 607 00:26:45,604 --> 00:26:48,138 While his sons shane and seth ran the business. 608 00:26:48,140 --> 00:26:49,606 - He would give the shirt off his back to anybody. 609 00:26:49,608 --> 00:26:50,941 - He just had a huge heart. 610 00:26:50,943 --> 00:26:53,010 He had enough room in it for everybody. 611 00:26:53,012 --> 00:26:54,545 A huge heart. 612 00:26:54,547 --> 00:26:55,946 - And taught you what you know? 613 00:26:55,948 --> 00:26:57,547 - Absolutely. 614 00:26:57,549 --> 00:27:01,685 Every aspect of business, every aspect of life. 615 00:27:01,687 --> 00:27:03,621 - When the kids were grown, doug and bertie ended up 616 00:27:03,623 --> 00:27:07,224 In spokane to be near their favorite church, 617 00:27:07,226 --> 00:27:10,227 Whose pastor preached the prosperity gospel. 618 00:27:10,229 --> 00:27:12,963 That is the idea that god rewards true belief 619 00:27:12,965 --> 00:27:15,332 With financial success. 620 00:27:15,334 --> 00:27:17,334 And they certainly looked successful when they bought 621 00:27:17,336 --> 00:27:19,770 That sprawling house on the south hill. 622 00:27:19,772 --> 00:27:21,571 - They wanted to get an older house like that, 623 00:27:21,573 --> 00:27:22,906 That's just something they loved. 624 00:27:22,908 --> 00:27:26,710 But they also always wanted all the family to 625 00:27:26,712 --> 00:27:28,278 Come for all the holidays and spend it with them. 626 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:29,179 - Right. 627 00:27:29,181 --> 00:27:30,447 So there's a bedroom for everybody? 628 00:27:30,449 --> 00:27:32,516 - We all had our own room, yeah. 629 00:27:32,518 --> 00:27:33,650 It worked out pretty good. 630 00:27:33,652 --> 00:27:36,153 - Did it look to you as if your dad and your mom 631 00:27:36,155 --> 00:27:38,722 Were finally at the place where they were 632 00:27:38,724 --> 00:27:40,190 On the top of the hill? 633 00:27:40,192 --> 00:27:41,892 - They were doing the best I ever saw them do. 634 00:27:41,894 --> 00:27:45,595 They were happy, they had got it, 635 00:27:45,597 --> 00:27:47,131 They had figured it out. 636 00:27:47,133 --> 00:27:49,800 - But now, doug carlile was dead, 637 00:27:49,802 --> 00:27:54,337 And detectives tallied up the signs of his earthly wealth. 638 00:27:54,339 --> 00:27:57,007 Still parked in the drive, elberta's new mercedes, 639 00:27:57,009 --> 00:28:01,411 Doug's new pickup, and inside in doug's office, 640 00:28:01,413 --> 00:28:04,081 Documents detailing the family's fortune. 641 00:28:04,083 --> 00:28:05,949 - There was a lot of financial paperwork, 642 00:28:05,951 --> 00:28:08,885 And the ones that struck me immediately was there was 643 00:28:08,887 --> 00:28:11,755 Loan paperwork that had, uh, appeared, uh, 644 00:28:11,757 --> 00:28:13,924 Mr. Carlile had filled out, uh, 645 00:28:13,926 --> 00:28:15,125 For different businesses. 646 00:28:15,127 --> 00:28:18,428 And they had his net value at between 647 00:28:18,430 --> 00:28:19,930 Six and twelve million depending on 648 00:28:19,932 --> 00:28:22,099 Which piece of paper you looked at. 649 00:28:22,101 --> 00:28:24,234 - And then, there were the documents 650 00:28:24,236 --> 00:28:26,436 The detectives couldn't read. 651 00:28:26,438 --> 00:28:30,574 That is, the ones written in arabic. 652 00:28:30,576 --> 00:28:32,876 Who was doug carlile? 653 00:28:32,878 --> 00:28:36,480 Successful, god fearing businessman? 654 00:28:36,482 --> 00:28:37,548 Or what? 655 00:28:39,685 --> 00:28:41,151 - I remember him telling us, you know, 656 00:28:41,153 --> 00:28:42,619 "I'm gonna make millions of dollars, 657 00:28:42,621 --> 00:28:43,987 And this is gonna be it. 658 00:28:43,989 --> 00:28:45,856 And this is gonna be for our family. 659 00:28:45,858 --> 00:28:48,792 And, um, you know, we're all gonna be rich." 660 00:28:48,794 --> 00:28:50,661 - Investigators take a hard look at 661 00:28:50,663 --> 00:28:54,731 Doug's business practices. Had he made any enemies? 662 00:28:54,733 --> 00:28:56,666 - They may have a reason to be pretty mad at him. 663 00:28:56,668 --> 00:28:58,468 - Our suspect list kept growing. 664 00:28:58,470 --> 00:28:59,803 - I was running this investigation, 665 00:28:59,805 --> 00:29:01,472 Eventually, in about eight directions, 666 00:29:01,474 --> 00:29:04,007 Trying to eliminate a lot of business partners, 667 00:29:04,009 --> 00:29:06,743 Seeing if mr. Carlile had a secret life. 668 00:29:06,745 --> 00:29:09,579 - Even seasoned detectives are surprised. 669 00:29:09,581 --> 00:29:11,748 - I just don't believe in coincidences like that. 670 00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:13,217 - When "dateline: Secrets uncovered" continues. 671 00:29:23,695 --> 00:29:26,396 - It was obvious now, no getting around it. 672 00:29:26,398 --> 00:29:28,498 Spokane detectives burbridge and seznick 673 00:29:28,500 --> 00:29:31,601 Took a look at the clues dug up that first night. 674 00:29:31,603 --> 00:29:35,238 Surveillance video showing a white van circling the area, 675 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,574 Elberta's story about a masked shooter 676 00:29:37,576 --> 00:29:39,476 Dressed in black, 677 00:29:39,478 --> 00:29:43,113 The video of a black clad man running away. 678 00:29:43,115 --> 00:29:45,482 All that could mean only one thing: 679 00:29:45,484 --> 00:29:48,719 This was a hit, a professional killing. 680 00:29:48,721 --> 00:29:52,322 Which begged the question, why would anyone want to kill 681 00:29:52,324 --> 00:29:55,392 A beloved, god-fearing grandfather? 682 00:29:55,394 --> 00:29:58,695 Murdered while christmas music filled his big old house. 683 00:29:58,697 --> 00:30:00,597 - It was almost a surreal-surreal scene. 684 00:30:00,599 --> 00:30:02,265 You know, the house is decorated for christmas, 685 00:30:02,267 --> 00:30:03,667 Christmas music playing. 686 00:30:03,669 --> 00:30:04,935 - Perhaps some answers would come from 687 00:30:04,937 --> 00:30:08,305 What detectives found in doug's office. 688 00:30:08,307 --> 00:30:12,342 Documents, half in english, half in arabic. 689 00:30:12,344 --> 00:30:14,544 And those they could read 690 00:30:14,546 --> 00:30:16,613 Were very interesting indeed. 691 00:30:16,615 --> 00:30:19,683 - There was pre-filled out paperwork promising, 692 00:30:19,685 --> 00:30:22,085 You know, 100% return on investment in ninety days 693 00:30:22,087 --> 00:30:23,687 If you'd invest in their company. 694 00:30:23,689 --> 00:30:25,422 - So it appeared that your victim had been 695 00:30:25,424 --> 00:30:28,191 Promising people huge returns on investment? 696 00:30:28,193 --> 00:30:29,426 - Correct. 697 00:30:29,428 --> 00:30:30,761 - He had a whole binder with paperwork, 698 00:30:30,763 --> 00:30:32,462 And it included names of people 699 00:30:32,464 --> 00:30:35,765 Who had bought into this and invested. 700 00:30:35,767 --> 00:30:40,303 - Wait a minute, who offers a 100% return so fast? 701 00:30:40,305 --> 00:30:42,239 Was this for real? 702 00:30:42,241 --> 00:30:44,908 The names, reports, and records all seemed 703 00:30:44,910 --> 00:30:47,177 To be related to one thing. 704 00:30:47,179 --> 00:30:49,045 - We ended up finding a lot of paperwork related 705 00:30:49,047 --> 00:30:52,582 To the oil business in north dakota. 706 00:30:52,584 --> 00:30:55,585 - The oil business? Why that? 707 00:30:55,587 --> 00:30:57,988 Doug carlile, remember, was an excavator, 708 00:30:57,990 --> 00:31:00,257 Not an oil man. 709 00:31:00,259 --> 00:31:02,993 But of course, a whole army of ambitious, hard working men 710 00:31:02,995 --> 00:31:04,928 Had fled to established careers 711 00:31:04,930 --> 00:31:06,730 To grab for a piece of the wealth 712 00:31:06,732 --> 00:31:08,532 Dangled so enticingly 713 00:31:08,534 --> 00:31:11,668 By north dakota's oil fracking boom. 714 00:31:11,670 --> 00:31:15,405 Thus, were prairie towns on sudden steroids, 715 00:31:15,407 --> 00:31:19,610 And man camps, bursting with pent up testosterone. 716 00:31:19,612 --> 00:31:23,747 By the time doug met his awful fate in December 2013, 717 00:31:23,749 --> 00:31:25,348 The wild black gold rush 718 00:31:25,350 --> 00:31:27,751 Around the bakken oil fields had peaked, 719 00:31:27,753 --> 00:31:29,719 But investors looking for a big payday 720 00:31:29,721 --> 00:31:31,488 Wouldn't have known that yet. 721 00:31:31,490 --> 00:31:33,690 And with great wads of eager cash, 722 00:31:33,692 --> 00:31:35,458 They chased a stake in what they hoped 723 00:31:35,460 --> 00:31:38,395 Might be billions still in the ground. 724 00:31:38,397 --> 00:31:41,364 Apparently, doug carlile was one of them. 725 00:31:41,366 --> 00:31:43,733 According to his family, he got turned on to oil 726 00:31:43,735 --> 00:31:46,636 By a friend who knew a guy. 727 00:31:46,638 --> 00:31:48,438 - He told us about north dakota. 728 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,140 "hey, it's booming there. 729 00:31:50,142 --> 00:31:53,911 You should go check things out and see what's happening." 730 00:31:53,913 --> 00:31:56,012 - First, doug partnered in a trucking company 731 00:31:56,014 --> 00:31:58,915 That served north dakota's many oil rigs, 732 00:31:58,917 --> 00:32:00,550 An outfit called blackstone, 733 00:32:00,552 --> 00:32:03,620 Started by the guy his friend introduced him to. 734 00:32:03,622 --> 00:32:06,656 And then, opportunity knocked. 735 00:32:06,658 --> 00:32:09,927 One of those opportunities of a lifetime 736 00:32:09,929 --> 00:32:12,963 Ordained from above, according to doug. 737 00:32:12,965 --> 00:32:14,531 - The whole thing kind of fell into his lap, 738 00:32:14,533 --> 00:32:17,334 And I think he thought that that was his calling from god, 739 00:32:17,336 --> 00:32:19,937 Is to move forward in that lease. 740 00:32:19,939 --> 00:32:21,871 - An oil lease that is. 741 00:32:21,873 --> 00:32:23,106 A lease that would give doug, 742 00:32:23,108 --> 00:32:25,409 And any partners he could bring in, 743 00:32:25,411 --> 00:32:27,678 The exclusive right to drill for oil on 744 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:32,449 640 acres of land on the mha indian reservation. 745 00:32:32,451 --> 00:32:34,184 The catch was, that sort of opportunity 746 00:32:34,186 --> 00:32:35,552 Doesn't come cheap. 747 00:32:35,554 --> 00:32:37,354 - So he had to raise some money? 748 00:32:37,356 --> 00:32:40,090 - Oh yeah, the lease was almost $2 million. 749 00:32:40,092 --> 00:32:42,726 - And to raise that, doug carlile tapped his friends 750 00:32:42,728 --> 00:32:45,695 Around washington state, his business partners, 751 00:32:45,697 --> 00:32:48,965 Even his kids. - I put $100,000 into it, 752 00:32:48,967 --> 00:32:51,701 And it wasn't for a return on it or anything, you know? 753 00:32:51,703 --> 00:32:55,172 It was to help him with his dream to-to fulfill that. 754 00:32:55,174 --> 00:32:57,273 - But the next step to fulfilling doug's dream 755 00:32:57,275 --> 00:32:59,376 Was even more daunting: 756 00:32:59,378 --> 00:33:01,411 Finding investors to pay for drilling 757 00:33:01,413 --> 00:33:04,781 As many as eight wells on the property. 758 00:33:04,783 --> 00:33:07,917 And that price was much steeper, 759 00:33:07,919 --> 00:33:10,053 More than $100 million. 760 00:33:10,055 --> 00:33:13,323 But the potential payoff was immense. 761 00:33:13,325 --> 00:33:17,194 And, doug firmly believed, god's will, 762 00:33:17,196 --> 00:33:19,162 A reward for his faith. 763 00:33:19,164 --> 00:33:20,764 - We thought we were walking on water, 764 00:33:20,766 --> 00:33:21,999 You know, with the whole deal. 765 00:33:22,001 --> 00:33:23,566 We thought, "this is a miracle." 766 00:33:23,568 --> 00:33:25,068 - I remember him telling us, you know, 767 00:33:25,070 --> 00:33:26,336 "I'm gonna make millions of dollars 768 00:33:26,338 --> 00:33:27,871 And this is gonna be it, 769 00:33:27,873 --> 00:33:30,373 And this is gonna be for our family and, 770 00:33:30,375 --> 00:33:32,409 Um, you know, we're all gonna be rich." 771 00:33:32,411 --> 00:33:34,944 - We sat on the couch one day and he said, 772 00:33:34,946 --> 00:33:35,812 "what would you do if you had 773 00:33:35,814 --> 00:33:38,281 All the money you could ever want?" 774 00:33:38,283 --> 00:33:40,950 And I said, "so, if we had this money 775 00:33:40,952 --> 00:33:44,220 Then we would use it to serve the lord, 776 00:33:44,222 --> 00:33:46,022 To serve ministries, 777 00:33:46,024 --> 00:33:49,292 To serve people, our family." 778 00:33:49,294 --> 00:33:50,827 - But now all those good intentions, 779 00:33:50,829 --> 00:33:53,196 All those dreams were gone. 780 00:33:53,198 --> 00:33:55,331 Now detectives slogged through the paperwork 781 00:33:55,333 --> 00:33:57,967 On doug carlile's desk. 782 00:33:57,969 --> 00:34:01,037 Those documents in arabic turned out to be 783 00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:04,708 A scam a conman was trying to run on doug. 784 00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:07,644 But doug, they could see, had been making promises too 785 00:34:07,646 --> 00:34:10,847 To investors, promises he couldn't keep. 786 00:34:10,849 --> 00:34:12,515 And he must have known it. 787 00:34:12,517 --> 00:34:15,585 100% return, practically overnight? 788 00:34:15,587 --> 00:34:17,387 Impossible. 789 00:34:17,389 --> 00:34:20,390 - Meaning these were partners who had come in 790 00:34:20,392 --> 00:34:22,926 And now he may have owed them a tremendous amount of money. 791 00:34:22,928 --> 00:34:24,961 - Correct. - They may have a reason 792 00:34:24,963 --> 00:34:26,396 To be pretty mad at him. 793 00:34:26,398 --> 00:34:29,265 - Our-our suspect list kept growing. 794 00:34:29,267 --> 00:34:31,268 - How many partners did that guy have anyway? 795 00:34:31,270 --> 00:34:34,204 - About ten that we could find. There may be more. 796 00:34:34,206 --> 00:34:37,107 - Detective burbridge began calling doug's partners 797 00:34:37,109 --> 00:34:38,741 And discovered that most of them 798 00:34:38,743 --> 00:34:41,277 Lived in or around washington. 799 00:34:41,279 --> 00:34:42,946 Any one of them who could be considered 800 00:34:42,948 --> 00:34:45,282 A person of interest was hundreds or thousands 801 00:34:45,284 --> 00:34:47,217 Of miles away from spokane the night 802 00:34:47,219 --> 00:34:49,286 Doug was murdered. - It concerned me greatly. 803 00:34:49,288 --> 00:34:51,254 I just don't believe in coincidences like that. 804 00:34:51,256 --> 00:34:52,222 - What? It's a coincidence 805 00:34:52,224 --> 00:34:53,690 That they just happened to be not there? 806 00:34:53,692 --> 00:34:54,691 - Correct. - In other words 807 00:34:54,693 --> 00:34:56,359 They may have planned not to be there-- 808 00:34:56,361 --> 00:34:58,228 - Yes. Yes, sir. - --When something was gonna happen? 809 00:34:58,230 --> 00:34:59,295 - Where do you go? I mean, 810 00:34:59,297 --> 00:35:01,698 Do you know which one to target or which-- 811 00:35:01,700 --> 00:35:03,567 - I was running this investigation, eventually, 812 00:35:03,569 --> 00:35:04,868 In about eight directions 813 00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:07,270 Trying to eliminate a lot of business partners, 814 00:35:07,272 --> 00:35:09,672 Uh, seeing if mr. Carlile had a secret life, 815 00:35:09,674 --> 00:35:10,740 Did he owe somebody else some money? 816 00:35:10,742 --> 00:35:12,909 'cause he had a lot of failed business dealings 817 00:35:12,911 --> 00:35:15,245 In his other businesses. 818 00:35:15,247 --> 00:35:17,447 And so I had-had a lot of concerns. 819 00:35:17,449 --> 00:35:19,983 - Angry ex-business partners? 820 00:35:19,985 --> 00:35:22,452 Angry current business partners? 821 00:35:22,454 --> 00:35:25,021 What, if anything, 822 00:35:25,023 --> 00:35:27,390 Did she have to do with it? 823 00:35:27,392 --> 00:35:29,592 - Yeah, I mean obviously I didn't know at the time 824 00:35:29,594 --> 00:35:31,161 What he was doing. 825 00:35:31,163 --> 00:35:33,796 - Detectives learn about a charismatic couple 826 00:35:33,798 --> 00:35:36,032 Knee deep in doug's oil venture. 827 00:35:38,003 --> 00:35:39,569 - They look like ken and barbie, 828 00:35:39,571 --> 00:35:42,105 Their perfectly white teeth and their tans. 829 00:35:42,107 --> 00:35:44,807 - Did they know anything about the murder? 830 00:35:44,809 --> 00:35:46,009 And then, finally, 831 00:35:46,011 --> 00:35:48,745 Investigators have someone to question. 832 00:35:48,747 --> 00:35:50,147 - I'd researched his criminal history 833 00:35:50,149 --> 00:35:52,248 And knew that he had a very significant criminal history, 834 00:35:52,250 --> 00:35:54,484 So I was concerned that was he my hit man? 835 00:35:54,486 --> 00:35:56,886 - We're gonna start talking about some things honestly here. 836 00:35:56,888 --> 00:35:58,087 - Okay, that's fine. 837 00:35:58,089 --> 00:36:00,023 - People are tellin' me you're the shooter. 838 00:36:00,025 --> 00:36:03,059 - When "dateline: Secrets uncovered" continues. 839 00:36:11,635 --> 00:36:14,437 - Elberta carlile was inconsolable. 840 00:36:14,439 --> 00:36:16,839 - Instantly that night, 841 00:36:16,841 --> 00:36:19,075 That night I lost everything. 842 00:36:19,077 --> 00:36:20,844 - Elberta's eldest daughter, malaney, 843 00:36:20,846 --> 00:36:22,545 Left her own family for a while 844 00:36:22,547 --> 00:36:25,916 To stay with her mom, try to keep her sane. 845 00:36:25,918 --> 00:36:28,852 - She would wake up screaming every single night. 846 00:36:28,854 --> 00:36:31,721 And there was nothing I could do besides just hold her. 847 00:36:31,723 --> 00:36:33,323 It was horrible. 848 00:36:33,325 --> 00:36:35,191 - The very thing the carlile's hoped 849 00:36:35,193 --> 00:36:38,728 Would create wealth, security, happiness, 850 00:36:38,730 --> 00:36:41,231 Had brought instead nothing but grief. 851 00:36:41,233 --> 00:36:43,933 But remember, this, the evidence suggested, 852 00:36:43,935 --> 00:36:45,468 Was a hit job. 853 00:36:45,470 --> 00:36:48,872 Somebody must have ordered doug's execution. 854 00:36:48,874 --> 00:36:51,874 So now the detectives tried to figure out who. 855 00:36:51,876 --> 00:36:53,876 - You guys have any disputes with anybody? 856 00:36:53,878 --> 00:36:55,011 - Yes. 857 00:36:56,314 --> 00:36:59,215 - Inevitable, probably, when the high stakes investors 858 00:36:59,217 --> 00:37:02,018 Go after a prize with an oil lease. 859 00:37:02,020 --> 00:37:04,320 And doug had been promising potential investors 860 00:37:04,322 --> 00:37:08,591 Returns that so far just hadn't materialized. 861 00:37:08,593 --> 00:37:10,426 Any number of partners might have felt 862 00:37:10,428 --> 00:37:12,562 They'd been taken for a ride. 863 00:37:12,564 --> 00:37:13,663 But who? 864 00:37:13,665 --> 00:37:15,932 Elberta, who was no longer a suspect, 865 00:37:15,934 --> 00:37:17,834 Offered a possibility. 866 00:37:17,836 --> 00:37:19,769 - Who do you have a dispute with? 867 00:37:19,771 --> 00:37:21,571 - His name is james henrikson. 868 00:37:21,573 --> 00:37:24,040 - James henrikson. 869 00:37:24,042 --> 00:37:25,808 He was the man who'd gotten doug interested 870 00:37:25,810 --> 00:37:27,977 In the oil play in the first place, 871 00:37:27,979 --> 00:37:30,980 The man who, with his wife sarah, 872 00:37:30,982 --> 00:37:33,549 Were known as the barbie and ken 873 00:37:33,551 --> 00:37:35,051 Of the oil patch. 874 00:37:35,053 --> 00:37:36,719 This guy worked for them. 875 00:37:36,721 --> 00:37:38,621 His name is rick arey. 876 00:37:38,623 --> 00:37:40,623 - For lack of a better term, they-they stuck out 877 00:37:40,625 --> 00:37:42,759 Like a couple of turds in a punch bowl. 878 00:37:42,761 --> 00:37:45,128 - Well, one way to put it. 879 00:37:45,130 --> 00:37:49,065 James met sarah at a drive-thru coffee stand. 880 00:37:49,067 --> 00:37:50,800 She was a barista. 881 00:37:50,802 --> 00:37:54,504 What was he like? - Uh, he's very, um, 882 00:37:54,506 --> 00:37:56,239 Cool, calm, collected. 883 00:37:56,241 --> 00:37:58,641 You know, older man, good looking. 884 00:37:58,643 --> 00:37:59,676 It was fun. 885 00:37:59,678 --> 00:38:01,611 You know, fun, and we would always go out. 886 00:38:01,613 --> 00:38:04,080 He was nice. It was easy. 887 00:38:04,082 --> 00:38:07,083 You know, I never thought I'd ever marry him 888 00:38:07,085 --> 00:38:09,352 Or go do business with him. 889 00:38:09,354 --> 00:38:11,321 - But that's what she did. 890 00:38:11,323 --> 00:38:13,623 They moved to the oil patch in 2011, 891 00:38:13,625 --> 00:38:16,259 Got married in minot, north dakota, 892 00:38:16,261 --> 00:38:19,996 And by 2013, he was the charismatic face 893 00:38:19,998 --> 00:38:23,500 Of a major trucking operation called blackstone, 894 00:38:23,502 --> 00:38:25,835 And she was the blonde on his arm. 895 00:38:25,837 --> 00:38:30,006 And a senior company official. Sarah signed the checks. 896 00:38:30,008 --> 00:38:33,076 Blackstone was the business doug first invested in 897 00:38:33,078 --> 00:38:35,778 Before he got interested in the oil lease. 898 00:38:35,780 --> 00:38:38,514 It was a big operation, 100 trucks hauling water 899 00:38:38,516 --> 00:38:42,118 To and from oil fracking sites, very profitable. 900 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,287 James let it be known that he was backed by 901 00:38:44,289 --> 00:38:46,322 A billion dollar trust fund. 902 00:38:46,324 --> 00:38:48,558 - You know, I was like, "this guy's a winner." 903 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,426 - A lot of money around. They were doing well. 904 00:38:50,428 --> 00:38:52,195 - Absolutely. - Was the company making money? 905 00:38:52,197 --> 00:38:54,063 Seemed to be? - Yes, it sure seemed like it. 906 00:38:54,065 --> 00:38:58,000 - And james was tough, and buff, and all man. 907 00:38:58,002 --> 00:39:00,203 - It'd be 20 degrees outside, 908 00:39:00,205 --> 00:39:01,904 And he'd be wearing a t-shirt. 909 00:39:01,906 --> 00:39:03,339 Everyone else has got a little shiver, 910 00:39:03,341 --> 00:39:05,274 He's like standing there shivering, 911 00:39:05,276 --> 00:39:06,876 But he's, you know, he's making sure his arms 912 00:39:06,878 --> 00:39:08,544 Are pumped up. He's got-- 913 00:39:08,546 --> 00:39:09,746 - He's a buff guy. - Yeah, 914 00:39:09,748 --> 00:39:12,181 He wants you to see his guns. He's showing them off. 915 00:39:12,183 --> 00:39:14,283 And then their, you know-- their perfectly white teeth 916 00:39:14,285 --> 00:39:16,052 And their tans, and... 917 00:39:16,054 --> 00:39:17,520 They look like ken and barbie. 918 00:39:17,522 --> 00:39:19,689 They didn't fit in at all. 919 00:39:19,691 --> 00:39:22,992 - Not a nickname sarah took to, mind you. 920 00:39:22,994 --> 00:39:24,827 - No, I feel like I have somewhat of a brain. 921 00:39:24,829 --> 00:39:26,329 I don't want to just be called a barbie. 922 00:39:26,331 --> 00:39:28,364 - Well you're living in a town of men. 923 00:39:28,366 --> 00:39:30,500 - Mm-hmm, 92 to one. 924 00:39:30,502 --> 00:39:32,034 - All jacked up on testosterone. 925 00:39:32,036 --> 00:39:33,803 - Oh, yeah, I mean, it was rough. 926 00:39:33,805 --> 00:39:36,239 I hated it. It was miserable. 927 00:39:36,241 --> 00:39:38,908 Every day was a plan on how to get out, 928 00:39:38,910 --> 00:39:40,877 But-- - with him, presumably? 929 00:39:40,879 --> 00:39:42,879 - Well yeah, I mean we wanted to leave the oil field, 930 00:39:42,881 --> 00:39:45,582 But he just saw so much opportunity in money. 931 00:39:45,584 --> 00:39:47,683 He's just like, "one day we'll get there." 932 00:39:47,685 --> 00:39:49,652 - Doug carlile liked james and sarah's 933 00:39:49,654 --> 00:39:51,988 Entrepreneurial style a lot, 934 00:39:51,990 --> 00:39:54,524 So when the chance to buy an oil lease came up, 935 00:39:54,526 --> 00:39:56,359 They went in on it together. 936 00:39:56,361 --> 00:39:58,995 James kicked in $600,000. 937 00:39:58,997 --> 00:40:01,931 Doug, only $40,000. 938 00:40:01,933 --> 00:40:04,333 They needed two million, remember. 939 00:40:04,335 --> 00:40:07,036 Yet, doug was saying he'd be taking over. 940 00:40:07,038 --> 00:40:10,807 There were disputes then over control and money, 941 00:40:10,809 --> 00:40:12,675 And accusations flew. 942 00:40:12,677 --> 00:40:14,677 In fact, said doug's son, seth... 943 00:40:14,679 --> 00:40:17,280 - He basically said, "I'm concerned with 944 00:40:17,282 --> 00:40:19,081 What james is gonna try to do." 945 00:40:19,083 --> 00:40:20,383 - That was serious. 946 00:40:20,385 --> 00:40:24,086 - And he said that, you know, "if anything happens to me, 947 00:40:24,088 --> 00:40:26,155 You know, it's james henrikson." 948 00:40:26,157 --> 00:40:28,157 - But, like the other partners, 949 00:40:28,159 --> 00:40:31,194 James henrikson was far away when doug was killed. 950 00:40:31,196 --> 00:40:35,098 700 miles away, in watford city, north dakota. 951 00:40:35,100 --> 00:40:38,701 Detectives pinged his phone, confirmed it. 952 00:40:38,703 --> 00:40:40,636 And then something happened that seemed 953 00:40:40,638 --> 00:40:44,140 Straight out of some noir detective novel. 954 00:40:44,142 --> 00:40:46,442 Detective burbridge put out a plea for information 955 00:40:46,444 --> 00:40:49,745 From anybody who had done business with doug carlile. 956 00:40:49,747 --> 00:40:51,247 And what do you know? 957 00:40:51,249 --> 00:40:53,516 In walked a guy who could just as easily 958 00:40:53,518 --> 00:40:56,686 Have been a murder suspect himself. 959 00:40:56,688 --> 00:40:58,688 - Robert, thanks for coming down voluntarily. 960 00:40:58,690 --> 00:41:00,923 - His name was robert delao. 961 00:41:00,925 --> 00:41:02,592 Career criminal, gang member, 962 00:41:02,594 --> 00:41:04,594 And sometimes a police informant, 963 00:41:04,596 --> 00:41:06,929 He'd served time in prison on manslaughter, 964 00:41:06,931 --> 00:41:08,664 Drugs, weapons charges. 965 00:41:08,666 --> 00:41:10,066 - I had researched his criminal history 966 00:41:10,068 --> 00:41:12,201 And knew that he had a very significant criminal history, 967 00:41:12,203 --> 00:41:14,871 So I was concerned that was he my hit man? 968 00:41:14,873 --> 00:41:16,706 Or what was his involvement in this? 969 00:41:16,708 --> 00:41:18,475 - Delao knew doug carlile. 970 00:41:18,477 --> 00:41:21,010 He also knew james henrikson. 971 00:41:21,012 --> 00:41:22,345 Why was he here? 972 00:41:22,347 --> 00:41:25,114 To tell the cops, just in case they were wondering, 973 00:41:25,116 --> 00:41:28,351 That he didn't have anything to do with the murder. 974 00:41:28,353 --> 00:41:29,686 - Did you shoot doug? - No, no, no. 975 00:41:29,688 --> 00:41:31,020 - Did you drive somebody up there to shoot doug? 976 00:41:31,022 --> 00:41:33,122 - No, I had nothing to do with it, nothing. 977 00:41:33,124 --> 00:41:35,291 - But burbridge had seen a thing or two. 978 00:41:35,293 --> 00:41:36,359 He pushed. 979 00:41:36,361 --> 00:41:37,927 - Well, we're gonna start talking about 980 00:41:37,929 --> 00:41:39,395 Some things honestly here. - Okay. 981 00:41:39,397 --> 00:41:41,264 - And I'm gonna-I'm gonna have a heart-to-heart with you. 982 00:41:41,266 --> 00:41:42,465 - Okay, that's fine. That's fine. 983 00:41:44,502 --> 00:41:45,735 - People are telling me you're the shooter. 984 00:41:49,374 --> 00:41:50,907 - I say hell no. You know what? 985 00:41:50,909 --> 00:41:53,576 That night I was in watford city, north dakota. 986 00:41:53,578 --> 00:41:55,177 - You went after him pretty hard, right? 987 00:41:55,179 --> 00:41:56,379 Actually accused him of murder? 988 00:41:56,381 --> 00:41:58,080 - I did. 989 00:41:58,082 --> 00:41:59,315 - How'd he respond to that? 990 00:41:59,317 --> 00:42:01,717 - He denied it when-- and didn't even flinch. 991 00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:03,953 - Did you think he was your guy? 992 00:42:03,955 --> 00:42:06,355 - I did not think he was the guy. 993 00:42:06,357 --> 00:42:07,557 - So why'd you do that? 994 00:42:07,559 --> 00:42:09,726 - Sometimes you do things, uh, try to pressure people 995 00:42:09,728 --> 00:42:12,728 Or put them under pressure to see their reaction. 996 00:42:12,730 --> 00:42:15,298 Um, and he did not flinch. 997 00:42:15,300 --> 00:42:18,801 - The detectives asked delao to take a polygraph. 998 00:42:18,803 --> 00:42:20,003 And he did. 999 00:42:20,005 --> 00:42:21,337 - Did he pass the test? 1000 00:42:21,339 --> 00:42:22,371 - Yes, he did. 1001 00:42:22,373 --> 00:42:26,142 - So curious, certainly, but a real lead? 1002 00:42:26,144 --> 00:42:28,811 Or a dead end? Hard to know. 1003 00:42:28,813 --> 00:42:30,947 So burbridge and his team of investigators 1004 00:42:30,949 --> 00:42:33,349 Kept working other leads. 1005 00:42:33,351 --> 00:42:36,286 And christmas happened. Sort of. 1006 00:42:36,288 --> 00:42:37,753 - It was really a rough christmas. 1007 00:42:37,755 --> 00:42:39,188 I look back on pictures. 1008 00:42:39,190 --> 00:42:41,490 We had smiles on our faces but it-- there was-- 1009 00:42:41,492 --> 00:42:42,625 You weren't really smiling. 1010 00:42:42,627 --> 00:42:45,628 And my mom, it was so hard to watch her, 1011 00:42:45,630 --> 00:42:48,230 'cause she wanted to give the grandkids gifts, 1012 00:42:48,232 --> 00:42:51,233 But she was just like, almost like a zombie. 1013 00:42:51,235 --> 00:42:54,303 You can't just not have christmas, you know? 1014 00:42:54,305 --> 00:42:56,105 But nobody felt like it. 1015 00:42:56,107 --> 00:42:59,108 - But grief wasn't all the family was feeling. 1016 00:42:59,110 --> 00:43:02,812 A debilitating fear took hold too. 1017 00:43:02,814 --> 00:43:05,081 Whoever killed their patriarch 1018 00:43:05,083 --> 00:43:07,750 Might not be done. - We armed ourselves. 1019 00:43:07,752 --> 00:43:10,386 I spent about $10,000 on a security camera system 1020 00:43:10,388 --> 00:43:11,787 Around the house. Went out and bought a, 1021 00:43:11,789 --> 00:43:14,256 Uh, attack dog, a german shepherd. 1022 00:43:14,258 --> 00:43:16,859 - Meanwhile, the detectives hit the road. 1023 00:43:16,861 --> 00:43:18,327 And that's when they discovered 1024 00:43:18,329 --> 00:43:20,997 Something truly shocking: 1025 00:43:20,999 --> 00:43:23,933 Doug carlile wasn't the only victim 1026 00:43:23,935 --> 00:43:26,736 Of the weird goings on around the oil patch. 1027 00:43:29,674 --> 00:43:31,240 - For this investigator, 1028 00:43:31,242 --> 00:43:34,344 A tantalizing tip at his fingertips. 1029 00:43:34,346 --> 00:43:36,045 - I clicked on it and a flier came up. 1030 00:43:36,047 --> 00:43:38,881 It basically said "beware of these two people". 1031 00:43:38,883 --> 00:43:42,818 - And then a potential suspect gives cops the brush off. 1032 00:43:42,820 --> 00:43:44,987 - He leaned out the door and slapped me on the shoulder, 1033 00:43:44,989 --> 00:43:46,489 And then he shut the door. 1034 00:43:46,491 --> 00:43:49,258 - When "dateline: Secrets uncovered" continues. 1035 00:43:57,033 --> 00:43:59,402 - Welcome back to "dateline: Secrets uncovered". 1036 00:43:59,404 --> 00:44:00,637 I'm kate snow. 1037 00:44:00,639 --> 00:44:04,073 It was no secret that doug carlile and james henrikson 1038 00:44:04,075 --> 00:44:05,708 Did not get along. 1039 00:44:05,710 --> 00:44:08,377 Business partners, their relationship soured 1040 00:44:08,379 --> 00:44:10,646 After a dispute surrounding money 1041 00:44:10,648 --> 00:44:12,515 And control of an oil lease. 1042 00:44:12,517 --> 00:44:15,718 Doug told his son that if anything happened to him, 1043 00:44:15,720 --> 00:44:17,720 James henrikson did it. 1044 00:44:17,722 --> 00:44:20,456 And now the doting father was dead. 1045 00:44:20,458 --> 00:44:22,224 Digging into henrikson's past, 1046 00:44:22,226 --> 00:44:26,129 Detectives would soon discover another of his associates 1047 00:44:26,131 --> 00:44:28,131 Had suffered a troubling fate. 1048 00:44:28,133 --> 00:44:29,999 Here again is keith morrison 1049 00:44:30,001 --> 00:44:31,501 With "a dangerous man". 1050 00:44:34,505 --> 00:44:36,505 - Spokane police detective mark burbridge 1051 00:44:36,507 --> 00:44:38,274 Called in the troops. 1052 00:44:38,276 --> 00:44:40,743 A few hours after the execution-style killing 1053 00:44:40,745 --> 00:44:43,412 Of doug carlile in the kitchen of his big house 1054 00:44:43,414 --> 00:44:45,348 On spokane's south hill, 1055 00:44:45,350 --> 00:44:48,017 It was all too clear this had to have been 1056 00:44:48,019 --> 00:44:49,952 A professional hit. 1057 00:44:49,954 --> 00:44:52,388 Burbridge would need all the help he could get, 1058 00:44:52,390 --> 00:44:54,690 And now every available investigator, 1059 00:44:54,692 --> 00:44:58,127 Nearly twenty of them, chased the scattered clues. 1060 00:44:58,129 --> 00:44:59,595 - Did you actually need them all? 1061 00:44:59,597 --> 00:45:00,830 - Yes, I kept them busy. 1062 00:45:00,832 --> 00:45:02,699 One detective, his whole job was to try to identify 1063 00:45:02,701 --> 00:45:04,400 That white van. 1064 00:45:04,402 --> 00:45:06,703 - Remember the white van the neighbors saw? 1065 00:45:06,705 --> 00:45:08,571 - The van was unique enough because it was 1066 00:45:08,573 --> 00:45:10,707 An after-factory extended van 1067 00:45:10,709 --> 00:45:12,808 That they make for certain professions. 1068 00:45:12,810 --> 00:45:13,876 - Okay. 1069 00:45:13,878 --> 00:45:16,445 - And eventually once we were able to identify 1070 00:45:16,447 --> 00:45:17,747 The make and model, 1071 00:45:17,749 --> 00:45:20,950 We had a washing-- dol provide us with 1072 00:45:20,952 --> 00:45:22,585 All the vans registered in spokane county 1073 00:45:22,587 --> 00:45:24,286 And there were 75 of 'em. 1074 00:45:24,288 --> 00:45:26,455 - Which possibly fit that description? 1075 00:45:26,457 --> 00:45:27,523 - Yes, sir. 1076 00:45:28,593 --> 00:45:30,693 - Course, every one of those vans 1077 00:45:30,695 --> 00:45:32,528 Had to be tracked down. 1078 00:45:32,530 --> 00:45:33,663 And that welding glove, 1079 00:45:33,665 --> 00:45:36,466 The one found outside a back gate, 1080 00:45:36,468 --> 00:45:38,601 Maybe the killer dropped it as he escaped, 1081 00:45:38,603 --> 00:45:40,703 Or maybe it just happened to be there. 1082 00:45:40,705 --> 00:45:44,207 They swabbed it for dna anyway. 1083 00:45:44,209 --> 00:45:47,209 They scoured social media, the internet, 1084 00:45:47,211 --> 00:45:50,546 Looking for connections, looking for anything. 1085 00:45:50,548 --> 00:45:52,615 And then one night after christmas, 1086 00:45:52,617 --> 00:45:54,083 A couple of weeks after the murder... 1087 00:45:54,085 --> 00:45:55,952 - I was at my desk and I got a hit on a-- 1088 00:45:55,954 --> 00:45:57,286 What's called a ripoff report, 1089 00:45:57,288 --> 00:45:58,454 Which I'd never heard of. 1090 00:45:58,456 --> 00:46:00,223 But I clicked on it and a flier came up 1091 00:46:00,225 --> 00:46:03,626 That basically said, "beware of these two people". 1092 00:46:03,628 --> 00:46:04,860 - What do you know? 1093 00:46:04,862 --> 00:46:07,697 The ken and barbie of north dakota's oil patch, 1094 00:46:07,699 --> 00:46:10,833 James henrikson and his wife sarah creveling, 1095 00:46:10,835 --> 00:46:13,502 Doug's primary north dakota partners. 1096 00:46:13,504 --> 00:46:15,438 - It said, "they're known frauds. 1097 00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,241 They're running, uh, fraud schemes in north dakota. 1098 00:46:18,243 --> 00:46:19,508 Don't do any business." 1099 00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:22,211 - 'course, as the detectives had figured out by now, 1100 00:46:22,213 --> 00:46:24,847 Rivalries, disputes, grievances, 1101 00:46:24,849 --> 00:46:27,583 Were rife around that oil lease project 1102 00:46:27,585 --> 00:46:30,920 In which doug and james and others were involved. 1103 00:46:30,922 --> 00:46:33,389 The ripoff report was put out as a flier 1104 00:46:33,391 --> 00:46:36,258 In stores and businesses all around the oil patch. 1105 00:46:36,260 --> 00:46:38,994 It was payback, apparently, 1106 00:46:38,996 --> 00:46:42,865 By one particularly disgruntled former partner. 1107 00:46:42,867 --> 00:46:46,235 But then, not everybody was a boy scout. 1108 00:46:46,237 --> 00:46:48,270 James, for example, had a criminal record 1109 00:46:48,272 --> 00:46:50,406 Going back to his teens. 1110 00:46:50,408 --> 00:46:53,409 Anyway, when detective seznick read the flier, 1111 00:46:53,411 --> 00:46:56,779 His eye landed on a very curious detail. 1112 00:46:56,781 --> 00:47:01,183 One of james' employees, a man named k.C. Clarke 1113 00:47:01,185 --> 00:47:03,285 Had up and disappeared. 1114 00:47:03,287 --> 00:47:05,955 - I printed it off and handed it to mark 1115 00:47:05,957 --> 00:47:07,690 And said, "hey, what do you think about this?" 1116 00:47:07,692 --> 00:47:09,225 - What did you think about that? 1117 00:47:09,227 --> 00:47:12,261 - It was the first time we'd ever heard of that name. 1118 00:47:12,263 --> 00:47:15,497 - So, who was k.C. Clarke? 1119 00:47:15,499 --> 00:47:17,500 - He was funny, well mannered. 1120 00:47:17,502 --> 00:47:19,435 - It didn't take long to find out. 1121 00:47:19,437 --> 00:47:21,837 K.C. Was an old friend of james henrikson. 1122 00:47:21,839 --> 00:47:24,106 He'd moved to the oil patch specifically to work 1123 00:47:24,108 --> 00:47:27,910 For henrikson at blackstone, james' trucking company. 1124 00:47:27,912 --> 00:47:29,912 Rick arey knew him well. 1125 00:47:29,914 --> 00:47:31,847 - So what'd you do? The two of you? 1126 00:47:31,849 --> 00:47:34,650 - We'd go up to the bar. We'd chase the girls. 1127 00:47:34,652 --> 00:47:35,918 We'd do the normal things a guy would do 1128 00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:37,887 During a boom, you know? 1129 00:47:37,889 --> 00:47:40,556 - Rick and k.C. Were field superintendents 1130 00:47:40,558 --> 00:47:41,724 For the trucking company, 1131 00:47:41,726 --> 00:47:43,926 Which sarah was helping to run. 1132 00:47:43,928 --> 00:47:45,527 How were you involved in the business? 1133 00:47:45,529 --> 00:47:47,663 - I worked directly with, like, the accountant. 1134 00:47:47,665 --> 00:47:50,199 Make sure they got signed off so we could get paid. 1135 00:47:50,201 --> 00:47:52,602 You know, make sure payroll is turned in on time 1136 00:47:52,604 --> 00:47:53,869 To the accountant. - Right. 1137 00:47:53,871 --> 00:47:55,738 - So I was sort of the middleman for all the paperwork. 1138 00:47:55,740 --> 00:47:57,806 - But you were really kind of a minor partner? 1139 00:47:57,808 --> 00:47:59,775 If I can put it that way. - It was the james show. 1140 00:47:59,777 --> 00:48:01,343 - Right. - For sure. 1141 00:48:01,345 --> 00:48:03,512 As much as people saw me all the time. 1142 00:48:03,514 --> 00:48:05,281 - Time off was rare, 1143 00:48:05,283 --> 00:48:07,283 And eventually rick arey and k.C. 1144 00:48:07,285 --> 00:48:11,020 Made secret plans to work for a rival trucking company. 1145 00:48:11,022 --> 00:48:13,789 - He was extremely worried about james finding out 1146 00:48:13,791 --> 00:48:17,092 About this whole transition. 1147 00:48:17,094 --> 00:48:19,561 - On February 22nd, 2012, 1148 00:48:19,563 --> 00:48:22,731 K.C. Dropped briefly into blackstone's headquarters, 1149 00:48:22,733 --> 00:48:25,567 And then was gone. 1150 00:48:25,569 --> 00:48:28,237 So, did he leave in a huff, 1151 00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,072 Or was it something else? 1152 00:48:30,074 --> 00:48:33,042 Because nobody ever saw him again. 1153 00:48:33,044 --> 00:48:33,976 - No sign of him at all. 1154 00:48:33,978 --> 00:48:35,377 He'd been missing for about a year, 1155 00:48:35,379 --> 00:48:36,578 Almost two years at that point. 1156 00:48:36,580 --> 00:48:38,114 - Was ever henrikson ever questioned about it? 1157 00:48:38,116 --> 00:48:39,515 - He had been questioned extensively 1158 00:48:39,517 --> 00:48:40,716 And actually taken a polygraph 1159 00:48:40,718 --> 00:48:43,586 With the north dakota law enforcement. 1160 00:48:43,588 --> 00:48:45,821 - And had passed? - Yes. 1161 00:48:45,823 --> 00:48:49,158 - Still, james henrikson had to know something 1162 00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:52,394 About k.C. Clarke and doug carlile. 1163 00:48:52,396 --> 00:48:54,664 And so the two detectives got in the car 1164 00:48:54,666 --> 00:48:58,767 And drove 700 miles to watford city, north dakota. 1165 00:48:58,769 --> 00:49:00,736 - With the wind chill I believe it was 60 below 1166 00:49:00,738 --> 00:49:01,971 When we were there. - Yeah. 1167 00:49:01,973 --> 00:49:03,272 - Their destination? 1168 00:49:03,274 --> 00:49:06,642 The home of james henrikson and his sarah. 1169 00:49:06,644 --> 00:49:07,943 - We went to the side door. 1170 00:49:07,945 --> 00:49:09,211 From there you can see the garage. 1171 00:49:09,213 --> 00:49:10,813 And in the garage was a, uh-- 1172 00:49:10,815 --> 00:49:12,481 Like a two year old bentley, 1173 00:49:12,483 --> 00:49:15,751 Uh, flat tires kind of almost laying on its belly. 1174 00:49:15,753 --> 00:49:17,486 - A bentley? An almost new bentley? 1175 00:49:17,488 --> 00:49:18,554 - Yes. 1176 00:49:18,556 --> 00:49:21,223 - Obviously not taken care of at all. 1177 00:49:21,225 --> 00:49:22,158 - No. 1178 00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,259 - Sarah answered the door very pleasant, 1179 00:49:24,261 --> 00:49:27,229 Said the detectives, and went to get james. 1180 00:49:27,231 --> 00:49:29,765 - How did james henrikson greet you? 1181 00:49:29,767 --> 00:49:32,001 Did he, you know, tell you a story? 1182 00:49:32,003 --> 00:49:34,803 Did he sit you down for a cup of tea? What? 1183 00:49:34,805 --> 00:49:37,640 - He leaned out the door and slapped me on the shoulder 1184 00:49:37,642 --> 00:49:39,475 And said, "you know, it's too bad you drove all that way. 1185 00:49:39,477 --> 00:49:41,043 "my attorney told me not to talk to you." 1186 00:49:41,045 --> 00:49:42,445 And then he shut the door. 1187 00:49:42,447 --> 00:49:44,413 - And you had nothing? - I got nothing. 1188 00:49:44,415 --> 00:49:46,382 - You got nothing except a kind of a rude reception, 1189 00:49:46,384 --> 00:49:48,317 Which might have told you something, or not? 1190 00:49:48,319 --> 00:49:49,318 - He's a big man. 1191 00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,154 He was probably 5'10, 250 pounds 1192 00:49:52,156 --> 00:49:54,256 Of steroided rock muscle. 1193 00:49:54,258 --> 00:49:56,392 He bragged he was benching over 500 hundred pounds, 1194 00:49:56,394 --> 00:49:57,526 And he looked like it. 1195 00:49:57,528 --> 00:49:59,361 But I don't intimidate, and I just kind of 1196 00:49:59,363 --> 00:50:01,630 Grew werewolf fangs when he reached out 1197 00:50:01,632 --> 00:50:03,332 And tried to belittle me. 1198 00:50:03,334 --> 00:50:06,469 - But nothing to do but suck it up and drive 1199 00:50:06,471 --> 00:50:09,004 Those 700 miles back home again, 1200 00:50:09,006 --> 00:50:10,606 Empty handed. 1201 00:50:10,608 --> 00:50:13,809 Along the way, detective seznick got a blood clot. 1202 00:50:13,811 --> 00:50:15,511 It nearly killed him. 1203 00:50:15,513 --> 00:50:18,047 A month after doug carlile's murder, 1204 00:50:18,049 --> 00:50:20,416 They had suspects, oh yes, 1205 00:50:20,418 --> 00:50:24,420 But nothing was coming together. 1206 00:50:24,422 --> 00:50:26,088 - Coming up. 1207 00:50:26,090 --> 00:50:29,291 Finally, a clue, and it's a big one. 1208 00:50:29,293 --> 00:50:31,226 - The very top of the paper is the word "glove" 1209 00:50:31,228 --> 00:50:32,361 And then there's... 1210 00:50:35,166 --> 00:50:37,032 - What killer makes a to-do list? 1211 00:50:37,034 --> 00:50:38,734 - Who does it point to? 1212 00:50:38,736 --> 00:50:40,702 - Jackpot. - Jackpot. 1213 00:50:40,704 --> 00:50:43,839 - When "dateline: Secrets uncovered" continues. 1214 00:50:53,116 --> 00:50:54,183 - Back to north dakota. 1215 00:50:54,185 --> 00:50:56,519 Suspicious, but empty handed, 1216 00:50:56,521 --> 00:50:58,521 Spokane detectives burbridge and seznick 1217 00:50:58,523 --> 00:51:00,122 Got back to grunt work. 1218 00:51:00,124 --> 00:51:03,926 Seznick still recovering from a near-fatal blood clot. 1219 00:51:03,928 --> 00:51:05,160 - I got ordered to go home, 1220 00:51:05,162 --> 00:51:06,796 I don't know how many times over the next couple days, 1221 00:51:06,798 --> 00:51:09,064 But obviously I wasn't going anywhere. 1222 00:51:09,066 --> 00:51:10,666 - And the case? 1223 00:51:10,668 --> 00:51:12,901 Well, they knew they had something, 1224 00:51:12,903 --> 00:51:15,037 But what exactly? 1225 00:51:15,039 --> 00:51:16,138 - It was just one of those cases 1226 00:51:16,140 --> 00:51:18,774 Where we knew we were on the right track, 1227 00:51:18,776 --> 00:51:20,542 But we also knew that there was 1228 00:51:20,544 --> 00:51:22,411 A lot of work left. 1229 00:51:22,413 --> 00:51:25,814 - And for the carliles, a lot of grief. 1230 00:51:25,816 --> 00:51:28,884 Elberta was a barely functioning mess. 1231 00:51:28,886 --> 00:51:32,354 - I didn't lose just my dad, I lost my mom too, 1232 00:51:32,356 --> 00:51:33,755 'cause she wasn't the same person 1233 00:51:33,757 --> 00:51:35,491 For a really long time. 1234 00:51:35,493 --> 00:51:39,595 - And, adding insult, doug's secrets were exposed 1235 00:51:39,597 --> 00:51:41,497 For the whole world to see. 1236 00:51:41,499 --> 00:51:43,499 That big house on the south hill, 1237 00:51:43,501 --> 00:51:45,167 Heavily mortgaged. 1238 00:51:45,169 --> 00:51:47,903 The fancy cars, not paid for. 1239 00:51:47,905 --> 00:51:50,839 The paperwork that claimed he was worth millions, 1240 00:51:50,841 --> 00:51:52,774 A facade. 1241 00:51:52,776 --> 00:51:55,077 Doug carlile was flat broke, 1242 00:51:55,079 --> 00:51:57,913 Hadn't even bought life insurance. 1243 00:51:57,915 --> 00:52:00,149 - Do you ever feel angry at all 1244 00:52:00,151 --> 00:52:02,017 At doug for not providing more, 1245 00:52:02,019 --> 00:52:04,586 Like an insurance policy or something? 1246 00:52:04,588 --> 00:52:06,788 - No, not at all. 1247 00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:08,423 Because he was a very good provider 1248 00:52:08,425 --> 00:52:09,858 All the days that he was alive. 1249 00:52:09,860 --> 00:52:13,395 And I really didn't believe in insurance policies like that, 1250 00:52:13,397 --> 00:52:17,332 I believed in trusting the lord for our finances, 1251 00:52:17,334 --> 00:52:20,069 And that's what we did. 1252 00:52:20,071 --> 00:52:23,005 - Secrets, just another casualty 1253 00:52:23,007 --> 00:52:24,473 As the little army of detectives 1254 00:52:24,475 --> 00:52:26,808 Searched the neighborhood for clues. 1255 00:52:26,810 --> 00:52:28,544 Like, for example, the strange find 1256 00:52:28,546 --> 00:52:30,679 That turned up on the killer's escape path, 1257 00:52:30,681 --> 00:52:34,216 That weirdly out of place welding glove. 1258 00:52:34,218 --> 00:52:37,286 They swabbed it for dna on the off chance, really, 1259 00:52:37,288 --> 00:52:39,021 Just a shot in the dark, 1260 00:52:39,023 --> 00:52:41,256 That something in or on that glove 1261 00:52:41,258 --> 00:52:42,558 Might match a known person. 1262 00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:45,227 Like a felon, say, whose dna would be stored 1263 00:52:45,229 --> 00:52:47,163 In a data bank. 1264 00:52:47,165 --> 00:52:50,365 And how about that, it did. 1265 00:52:50,367 --> 00:52:52,501 - What was the name? - Timothy suckow. 1266 00:52:52,503 --> 00:52:53,635 - Have you ever heard that name before? 1267 00:52:53,637 --> 00:52:55,003 - Had never heard the name before. 1268 00:52:55,005 --> 00:52:56,705 - Who was timothy suckow? 1269 00:52:56,707 --> 00:52:57,973 - A violent individual. 1270 00:52:57,975 --> 00:52:59,241 Been to prison for robbery. 1271 00:52:59,243 --> 00:53:01,143 - What did you think when you found this out? 1272 00:53:01,145 --> 00:53:02,444 - I thought this could be our guy. 1273 00:53:02,446 --> 00:53:04,513 - Was he local? - He was local. 1274 00:53:04,515 --> 00:53:06,916 - He was working at irs environmental, 1275 00:53:06,918 --> 00:53:09,384 Which is an asbestos removal company. 1276 00:53:09,386 --> 00:53:10,986 - They don't drive around in white vans, 1277 00:53:10,988 --> 00:53:13,322 By any chance, at irs, do they? 1278 00:53:13,324 --> 00:53:14,924 - I checked that list, and lo and behold, 1279 00:53:14,926 --> 00:53:17,259 Irs environmental was one of the companies 1280 00:53:17,261 --> 00:53:20,129 That owned a van that matched our van in the video. 1281 00:53:20,131 --> 00:53:23,699 - Well, well, well, what were the chances? 1282 00:53:23,701 --> 00:53:28,137 Timothy suckow must have been the muscular man in black 1283 00:53:28,139 --> 00:53:29,605 Seen on this video 1284 00:53:29,607 --> 00:53:30,772 Running for dear life 1285 00:53:30,774 --> 00:53:33,942 Toward the equally mysterious white van. 1286 00:53:33,944 --> 00:53:35,344 They looked him up. 1287 00:53:35,346 --> 00:53:37,312 He lived in the suburbs, 1288 00:53:37,314 --> 00:53:39,081 A wife, kids. 1289 00:53:39,083 --> 00:53:41,883 His house was ten miles from the murder scene. 1290 00:53:41,885 --> 00:53:43,485 - We had the swat team sitting on him 1291 00:53:43,487 --> 00:53:45,354 For about twelve hours waiting for him to move 1292 00:53:45,356 --> 00:53:47,623 'cause we didn't want to take him at his house 1293 00:53:47,625 --> 00:53:49,157 With the p-potential of firearms. 1294 00:53:49,159 --> 00:53:52,094 - But when suckow and another man left the house, 1295 00:53:52,096 --> 00:53:54,396 The police moved in to make the arrest. 1296 00:53:54,398 --> 00:53:55,998 Here, a few hours later, 1297 00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:59,368 The police photographed suckow's many tattoos. 1298 00:53:59,370 --> 00:54:02,304 - Mr. Suckow is a very hardened prison type individual, 1299 00:54:02,306 --> 00:54:05,774 Very large man, 275 pounds of solid muscle. 1300 00:54:05,776 --> 00:54:07,309 - Be a few minutes, we've got some paperwork to do 1301 00:54:07,311 --> 00:54:08,810 And some stuff that we have to get in, okay? 1302 00:54:08,812 --> 00:54:10,712 Tell you what's going on. - Sure. 1303 00:54:10,714 --> 00:54:11,880 - When the interview began, 1304 00:54:11,882 --> 00:54:13,849 Detectives made no bones about it. 1305 00:54:13,851 --> 00:54:16,285 They thought they had suckow dead to rights. 1306 00:54:16,287 --> 00:54:19,788 - Today is the day to help yourself out. 1307 00:54:19,790 --> 00:54:22,291 I didn't come to you by accident, okay? 1308 00:54:23,794 --> 00:54:26,128 My killer left something up at the house, 1309 00:54:26,130 --> 00:54:28,097 And your dna is all over it. 1310 00:54:30,334 --> 00:54:32,735 No joke, the van at your work 1311 00:54:32,737 --> 00:54:35,404 That you drive is on my video up there. 1312 00:54:39,543 --> 00:54:41,543 - You should be scared. 1313 00:54:41,545 --> 00:54:43,378 You're looking at federal conspiracies 1314 00:54:43,380 --> 00:54:45,080 To commit murder, 1315 00:54:45,082 --> 00:54:47,783 Fraud, life in prison. 1316 00:54:47,785 --> 00:54:49,418 - Yeah. 1317 00:54:51,221 --> 00:54:52,988 - That's your choice. 1318 00:54:57,561 --> 00:54:59,962 - At this point, we're probably beyond accusations. 1319 00:54:59,964 --> 00:55:01,930 - You are-you are under arrest, 1320 00:55:01,932 --> 00:55:04,466 And-and you can help yourself out. 1321 00:55:10,074 --> 00:55:11,974 - I'm not kidding you about having your dna. 1322 00:55:12,776 --> 00:55:14,343 - I have your dna up there. 1323 00:55:16,747 --> 00:55:17,779 - Okay. 1324 00:55:17,781 --> 00:55:20,516 - Timothy suckow was done talking. 1325 00:55:20,518 --> 00:55:21,717 And... 1326 00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:22,718 - He just looked me in the eye and laid his head down 1327 00:55:22,720 --> 00:55:23,585 And went to sleep. 1328 00:55:23,587 --> 00:55:24,586 - Seriously? - Seriously. 1329 00:55:24,588 --> 00:55:26,188 It's like a big emotional release to him 1330 00:55:26,190 --> 00:55:27,856 That it's finally over. 1331 00:55:27,858 --> 00:55:29,591 - After that, the detectives rounded up 1332 00:55:29,593 --> 00:55:32,661 Some search warrants for suckow's house 1333 00:55:32,663 --> 00:55:34,763 And his car. 1334 00:55:34,765 --> 00:55:35,997 - In his car we found 1335 00:55:35,999 --> 00:55:37,666 A very significant piece of evidence. 1336 00:55:37,668 --> 00:55:38,600 - What was that? 1337 00:55:38,602 --> 00:55:39,601 - It was a piece of notebook paper 1338 00:55:39,603 --> 00:55:42,804 With a-a list of items to be done. 1339 00:55:42,806 --> 00:55:45,074 At the very top of the paper is the word "glove" 1340 00:55:45,076 --> 00:55:47,008 With a question mark. 1341 00:55:47,010 --> 00:55:49,044 And then there's statements about "wheelman" 1342 00:55:49,046 --> 00:55:50,412 And "wingman", 1343 00:55:50,414 --> 00:55:52,547 "show getaway route on google earth", 1344 00:55:52,549 --> 00:55:54,249 "practice with pistol". 1345 00:55:54,251 --> 00:55:55,617 - That's almost like a confession 1346 00:55:55,619 --> 00:55:57,152 Right on the notepad, right? 1347 00:55:57,154 --> 00:55:58,954 - It-- - what killer makes a list of-- 1348 00:55:58,956 --> 00:56:00,088 To-do list of things to do? 1349 00:56:00,090 --> 00:56:01,857 - It was a to-do list of how to prepare 1350 00:56:01,859 --> 00:56:03,225 To go do this murder. 1351 00:56:03,227 --> 00:56:04,693 - What did you think when you saw that? 1352 00:56:04,695 --> 00:56:05,861 - It's almost hollywood-like. 1353 00:56:05,863 --> 00:56:06,928 It was kind of shocking to find that. 1354 00:56:06,930 --> 00:56:09,598 - This is a month after the murder, 1355 00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:11,500 And we arrest who we believe is our shooter 1356 00:56:11,502 --> 00:56:14,970 And he has a to-do kill list in his car. 1357 00:56:14,972 --> 00:56:17,406 I mean, it-- you can't make this stuff up. 1358 00:56:18,576 --> 00:56:21,343 - Suckow also had a storage unit 1359 00:56:21,345 --> 00:56:25,580 Where a surveillance camera picked up a white van 1360 00:56:25,582 --> 00:56:27,950 Pulling up soon after the murder. 1361 00:56:29,052 --> 00:56:31,453 Suckow had to be their shooter. 1362 00:56:31,455 --> 00:56:34,656 The question was, who put him up to it, 1363 00:56:34,658 --> 00:56:36,191 And why? 1364 00:56:36,193 --> 00:56:39,728 Suckow wouldn't tell them, refused to say a word. 1365 00:56:39,730 --> 00:56:43,465 So then they got a search warrant for his phone. 1366 00:56:43,467 --> 00:56:46,835 - In his contact list, said "james in nd". 1367 00:56:46,837 --> 00:56:49,138 - Jackpot. - Jackpot. 1368 00:56:49,140 --> 00:56:50,806 So that was the-- that was the first time 1369 00:56:50,808 --> 00:56:53,875 We had ever connected him with henrikson. 1370 00:56:53,877 --> 00:56:57,145 - James and sarah arrived to become the ken and barbie 1371 00:56:57,147 --> 00:56:59,014 Of the oil patch, and before long, 1372 00:56:59,016 --> 00:57:01,783 One man is missing and another is dead. 1373 00:57:01,785 --> 00:57:06,021 And the suspected hit man has james on speed dial. 1374 00:57:06,023 --> 00:57:08,156 And as for sarah, 1375 00:57:08,158 --> 00:57:11,026 There was a shock in store for her too. 1376 00:57:11,028 --> 00:57:12,427 - I mean, emotionally difficult to deal with. 1377 00:57:12,429 --> 00:57:13,662 - Oh, absolutely. 1378 00:57:13,664 --> 00:57:15,431 I mean, it's ruined my life. 1379 00:57:16,433 --> 00:57:17,966 - Coming up. 1380 00:57:17,968 --> 00:57:21,102 Sarah becomes suspicious about her husband. 1381 00:57:21,104 --> 00:57:22,637 - Did you think at the time, 1382 00:57:22,639 --> 00:57:24,639 "I wonder if james had something to do with this?" 1383 00:57:24,641 --> 00:57:26,508 - It seemed fishy to me. 1384 00:57:26,510 --> 00:57:29,110 - Then she gets a call from the sheriff. 1385 00:57:29,112 --> 00:57:31,313 - He said, "you need to come to my office right this second." 1386 00:57:31,315 --> 00:57:34,149 - When "dateline: Secrets uncovered" continues. 1387 00:57:44,660 --> 00:57:47,295 - Sometimes the best detective is named luck. 1388 00:57:47,297 --> 00:57:50,465 A dropped welding glove leads to a tattooed presumed hit man 1389 00:57:50,467 --> 00:57:52,133 Named timothy suckow... 1390 00:57:52,135 --> 00:57:53,568 - Timothy eugene suckow-- 1391 00:57:53,570 --> 00:57:55,570 - ...Whose phone provides a direct connection 1392 00:57:55,572 --> 00:57:57,305 To the man who may have ordered 1393 00:57:57,307 --> 00:57:58,807 The murder of doug carlile, 1394 00:57:58,809 --> 00:58:01,176 James henrikson in north dakota. 1395 00:58:01,178 --> 00:58:02,878 Investigators were now able to rule out 1396 00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:04,779 All of doug carlile's business partners 1397 00:58:04,781 --> 00:58:06,414 In washington state. 1398 00:58:06,416 --> 00:58:08,016 - By this point, did you feel as if you had 1399 00:58:08,018 --> 00:58:10,385 The outlines of what the conspiracy was? 1400 00:58:10,387 --> 00:58:11,820 - I thought we had a pretty good idea 1401 00:58:11,822 --> 00:58:13,488 Of-of what had actually been going on, 1402 00:58:13,490 --> 00:58:16,124 And-- but that turned out to be a lot more. 1403 00:58:16,126 --> 00:58:18,159 - A sentiment which, as the investigation 1404 00:58:18,161 --> 00:58:20,495 Turned rapidly back to north dakota, 1405 00:58:20,497 --> 00:58:24,633 Sarah creveling, aka mrs. James henrikson 1406 00:58:24,635 --> 00:58:27,602 Could have put in exactly the same words. 1407 00:58:27,604 --> 00:58:30,105 But for more personal reasons. 1408 00:58:30,107 --> 00:58:33,108 - Best I remember is there was rumors 1409 00:58:33,110 --> 00:58:35,176 Of james having an affair. 1410 00:58:35,178 --> 00:58:37,445 - It's an old story of course. 1411 00:58:37,447 --> 00:58:40,449 Husband cheats on wife with a younger woman, 1412 00:58:40,451 --> 00:58:42,584 Even younger than sarah 1413 00:58:42,586 --> 00:58:44,453 Who was only in her twenties. 1414 00:58:44,455 --> 00:58:46,722 - What was it like to hear that he was cheating on you 1415 00:58:46,724 --> 00:58:47,789 In the first place? 1416 00:58:47,791 --> 00:58:48,857 - Well I mean, that was hurtful, 1417 00:58:48,859 --> 00:58:50,859 But it was so off the wall 1418 00:58:50,861 --> 00:58:52,728 I just didn't believe it. 1419 00:58:52,730 --> 00:58:55,597 - Like generations of wives before her, 1420 00:58:55,599 --> 00:58:59,100 Until the truth was impossible to avoid. 1421 00:58:59,102 --> 00:59:02,270 - What was that like to hear? - Oh, horrific. 1422 00:59:02,272 --> 00:59:04,606 And especially when I found out with who, 1423 00:59:04,608 --> 00:59:08,276 I just thought, "absolutely not, no way." 1424 00:59:08,278 --> 00:59:09,678 - Wouldn't believe it? - Wouldn't believe it. 1425 00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:11,380 I mean, she was like my little sister. 1426 00:59:12,482 --> 00:59:14,082 - This is her, the young woman 1427 00:59:14,084 --> 00:59:16,751 In the unpleasant little triangle. 1428 00:59:16,753 --> 00:59:19,521 But she wasn't just some other woman. 1429 00:59:19,523 --> 00:59:23,959 This is peyton martin, daughter of tex hall, 1430 00:59:23,961 --> 00:59:26,962 Then chairman of the mha nation 1431 00:59:26,964 --> 00:59:30,065 On whose tribal land was the oil lease, 1432 00:59:30,067 --> 00:59:33,969 The one james and doug carlile wanted so badly. 1433 00:59:33,971 --> 00:59:36,338 Peyton was 19. 1434 00:59:36,340 --> 00:59:38,440 - You knew her? - Mm-hmm, yeah. 1435 00:59:38,442 --> 00:59:40,175 I had vacationed-- family vacationed with her 1436 00:59:40,177 --> 00:59:41,443 Quite a bit. 1437 00:59:41,445 --> 00:59:43,511 - In fact, here they are in hawaii. 1438 00:59:43,513 --> 00:59:46,648 James in the water, sarah there on the paddleboard, 1439 00:59:46,650 --> 00:59:50,051 And there on another board was peyton. 1440 00:59:50,053 --> 00:59:52,520 - I think I found a picture of her on facebook 1441 00:59:52,522 --> 00:59:54,523 Where she was pregnant. 1442 00:59:54,525 --> 00:59:58,326 And, uh, so I called her and asked her, 1443 00:59:58,328 --> 01:00:00,529 And she said it's none of my business, 1444 01:00:00,531 --> 01:00:02,731 But if it's my husband's, then get over it. 1445 01:00:05,069 --> 01:00:06,267 Mm-hmm. 1446 01:00:06,269 --> 01:00:08,937 - Peyton denied saying that by the way. 1447 01:00:08,939 --> 01:00:10,939 But when the baby was born, 1448 01:00:10,941 --> 01:00:13,475 A very healthy and happy looking little boy, 1449 01:00:13,477 --> 01:00:16,111 James and peyton named him... 1450 01:00:16,113 --> 01:00:19,147 - Bentley of all things. 1451 01:00:19,149 --> 01:00:22,417 - Bentley, just like that expensive automobile 1452 01:00:22,419 --> 01:00:24,119 James bought for sarah, 1453 01:00:24,121 --> 01:00:27,188 Then left in the garage with flattened tires. 1454 01:00:27,190 --> 01:00:28,356 - You can't make it up. 1455 01:00:28,358 --> 01:00:30,625 - It's weird. It's so strange. 1456 01:00:30,627 --> 01:00:32,527 - Bentley. - Yeah. 1457 01:00:32,529 --> 01:00:35,864 As you can see, he was the one who wanted the car, 1458 01:00:35,866 --> 01:00:38,166 And the name, and the show. 1459 01:00:38,168 --> 01:00:39,734 - Tex hall, as you might imagine, 1460 01:00:39,736 --> 01:00:42,537 Was not pleased about any of that. 1461 01:00:42,539 --> 01:00:45,040 He banished james from the reservation. 1462 01:00:45,042 --> 01:00:47,776 But there was something neither tex nor sarah 1463 01:00:47,778 --> 01:00:49,645 Knew just then. 1464 01:00:49,647 --> 01:00:51,846 Not just that the spokane cops were investigating 1465 01:00:51,848 --> 01:00:53,915 Sarah's wayward husband. 1466 01:00:53,917 --> 01:00:55,917 Out on the north dakota prairie, 1467 01:00:55,919 --> 01:01:00,188 Another lawman had been poking around for more than a year. 1468 01:01:00,190 --> 01:01:02,991 Homeland security agent darrik trudell 1469 01:01:02,993 --> 01:01:06,261 Had heard from a colleague about the missing k.C. Clarke, 1470 01:01:06,263 --> 01:01:10,198 And the ripoff report, and other possible crimes. 1471 01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:11,766 - He told me the story and it-it just sounded-- 1472 01:01:11,768 --> 01:01:13,768 It sounded unbelievable is what it did. 1473 01:01:13,770 --> 01:01:15,737 - Derrick trudell was hooked. 1474 01:01:15,739 --> 01:01:18,707 So by the time burbridge started showing up, 1475 01:01:18,709 --> 01:01:20,408 Trudell could tell him a thing or two 1476 01:01:20,410 --> 01:01:22,177 About james henrikson. 1477 01:01:22,179 --> 01:01:23,812 - How would you describe him? 1478 01:01:23,814 --> 01:01:26,614 - Yeah, I mean he-he comes across as a-- 1479 01:01:26,616 --> 01:01:28,750 I mean, just-- - you're at a loss for words. 1480 01:01:28,752 --> 01:01:29,951 - I mean you could say that he comes across 1481 01:01:29,953 --> 01:01:31,420 As a-as a used car salesman, 1482 01:01:31,422 --> 01:01:33,688 But that's really not fair to used car salesmen. 1483 01:01:33,690 --> 01:01:37,526 I mean, the guy is just-- he's a scumbag. 1484 01:01:38,495 --> 01:01:41,029 - By the time doug carlile was murdered, 1485 01:01:41,031 --> 01:01:43,432 Trudell had, really just coincidence, 1486 01:01:43,434 --> 01:01:46,101 Been on james' trail for more than a year, 1487 01:01:46,103 --> 01:01:49,037 Looking into possible illegal drug imports, 1488 01:01:49,039 --> 01:01:51,173 And the mysterious disappearance 1489 01:01:51,175 --> 01:01:54,042 Of friend and employee, k.C. Clarke. 1490 01:01:54,044 --> 01:01:56,177 It had to look like henrikson was behaving like 1491 01:01:56,179 --> 01:01:59,581 Some sort of latter day, wild west outlaw. 1492 01:01:59,583 --> 01:02:00,749 - He's a sociopath. 1493 01:02:00,751 --> 01:02:02,884 Above all that, I mean, the guy's a coward. 1494 01:02:02,886 --> 01:02:04,319 You know, he didn't-- he didn't get his hands dirty 1495 01:02:04,321 --> 01:02:06,354 In any of-- any of it. 1496 01:02:06,356 --> 01:02:09,591 - Trudell already suspected henrikson may have ordered 1497 01:02:09,593 --> 01:02:11,727 Someone to kill k.C. Clarke. 1498 01:02:13,029 --> 01:02:15,997 Then doug carlile was murdered out in washington, 1499 01:02:15,999 --> 01:02:19,400 And trudell began working with detective burbridge. 1500 01:02:19,402 --> 01:02:22,938 If timothy suckow was the hit man in spokane, 1501 01:02:22,940 --> 01:02:26,274 Did he kill k.C. Clarke too? 1502 01:02:26,276 --> 01:02:28,476 Agents pulled records of all the cell phones 1503 01:02:28,478 --> 01:02:30,912 Being used around the time of k.C.'s disappearance 1504 01:02:30,914 --> 01:02:33,348 In north dakota. And... 1505 01:02:33,350 --> 01:02:35,550 - They checked mr. Suckow's number at the time 1506 01:02:35,552 --> 01:02:37,753 Against the phone records they had acquired 1507 01:02:37,755 --> 01:02:39,821 Back when mr. Clarke disappeared, 1508 01:02:39,823 --> 01:02:43,324 And mr. Suckow's number was in those records. 1509 01:02:43,326 --> 01:02:45,727 - Meaning suckow was in the area 1510 01:02:45,729 --> 01:02:48,530 When k.C. Clarke disappeared. 1511 01:02:48,532 --> 01:02:52,167 Sarah, meanwhile, her marriage falling apart, 1512 01:02:52,169 --> 01:02:54,803 Had begun to harbor suspicions about james, 1513 01:02:54,805 --> 01:02:57,972 And not just his cheating ways. 1514 01:02:57,974 --> 01:03:00,041 It went back to the day james told her 1515 01:03:00,043 --> 01:03:02,510 About doug carlile's death. 1516 01:03:02,512 --> 01:03:05,513 - He just walked into the room and was like, "doug's dead." 1517 01:03:05,515 --> 01:03:07,448 Straight faced, nothing. 1518 01:03:07,450 --> 01:03:09,317 It was the strangest thing ever. 1519 01:03:09,319 --> 01:03:12,253 - Did you think at the time... - Mm-hmm. 1520 01:03:12,255 --> 01:03:14,722 - "I wonder if james had something to do with this?" 1521 01:03:14,724 --> 01:03:18,326 - You know, it-it seemed fishy to me, it did. 1522 01:03:18,328 --> 01:03:21,496 But again, you don't-- [chuckling] 1523 01:03:21,498 --> 01:03:22,597 Your life's already crumbling, 1524 01:03:22,599 --> 01:03:23,932 You don't want to think that your husband 1525 01:03:23,934 --> 01:03:26,568 Could be doing anything like that, you know? 1526 01:03:26,570 --> 01:03:28,770 - I mean, why didn't you get out of that marriage? 1527 01:03:29,673 --> 01:03:32,207 - I was scared of him. 1528 01:03:32,209 --> 01:03:34,843 You know, everyone wants the fairytale, 1529 01:03:34,845 --> 01:03:37,412 Everyone wants to be married with a good life, with kids, 1530 01:03:37,414 --> 01:03:40,682 And it kind of came crashing quickly. 1531 01:03:40,684 --> 01:03:44,819 - So finally, sarah started talking about divorce. 1532 01:03:44,821 --> 01:03:48,022 - I told him, and he'd be like, 1533 01:03:48,024 --> 01:03:49,824 "how are you gonna feel if you divorce me 1534 01:03:49,826 --> 01:03:51,492 And you find out all this isn't true 1535 01:03:51,494 --> 01:03:52,861 And the kid's not mine?" 1536 01:03:52,863 --> 01:03:55,029 And he's like, "you'll be the horrible person 1537 01:03:55,031 --> 01:03:56,831 "and I'm gonna destroy you", 1538 01:03:56,833 --> 01:04:00,235 And he was very threatening. 1539 01:04:00,237 --> 01:04:02,871 - Was he serious? 1540 01:04:02,873 --> 01:04:05,306 A month after the murder of doug carlile, 1541 01:04:05,308 --> 01:04:07,709 January 2014, 1542 01:04:07,711 --> 01:04:11,446 Sarah got a call from her local sheriff. 1543 01:04:11,448 --> 01:04:14,516 - He said, "you need to come to my office right this second." 1544 01:04:14,518 --> 01:04:16,484 - Coming up. 1545 01:04:16,486 --> 01:04:19,187 Sarah gets some frightening news. 1546 01:04:19,189 --> 01:04:21,022 - Homeland security was waiting for me, 1547 01:04:21,024 --> 01:04:22,190 And they were like, 1548 01:04:22,192 --> 01:04:24,659 "your husband is trying to have you killed today." 1549 01:04:24,661 --> 01:04:26,661 - What was that moment like for you? 1550 01:04:26,663 --> 01:04:29,297 - Doesn't seem real. It's like a movie. 1551 01:04:29,299 --> 01:04:32,067 - When "dateline: Secrets uncovered" continues. 1552 01:04:39,876 --> 01:04:42,277 - Welcome back to "dateline: Secrets uncovered". 1553 01:04:42,279 --> 01:04:43,745 I'm kate snow. 1554 01:04:43,747 --> 01:04:46,014 Detectives were convinced timothy suckow 1555 01:04:46,016 --> 01:04:49,050 Was the gunman who murdered doug carlile. 1556 01:04:49,052 --> 01:04:51,419 Phone records showed the career criminal 1557 01:04:51,421 --> 01:04:54,489 Was also nearby when k.C. Clarke vanished. 1558 01:04:54,491 --> 01:04:57,625 Investigators believed suckow killed both men 1559 01:04:57,627 --> 01:05:01,229 On the orders of oil patch upstart james henrikson. 1560 01:05:01,231 --> 01:05:02,697 And soon they'd get wind 1561 01:05:02,699 --> 01:05:05,366 There was a new name on his hit list. 1562 01:05:05,368 --> 01:05:08,703 Here again is keith morrison with "a dangerous man." 1563 01:05:11,508 --> 01:05:14,175 - Sarah creveling didn't know which way to turn. 1564 01:05:14,177 --> 01:05:16,578 With investigators in two states closing in, 1565 01:05:16,580 --> 01:05:19,614 Her husband james had vanished, 1566 01:05:19,616 --> 01:05:21,716 Their marriage was on life support, 1567 01:05:21,718 --> 01:05:25,320 And she'd just been summoned by her county sheriff. 1568 01:05:25,322 --> 01:05:26,721 - So I went into his office, 1569 01:05:26,723 --> 01:05:28,857 And homeland security was waiting for me, 1570 01:05:28,859 --> 01:05:30,591 And they were like, "sit down. 1571 01:05:30,593 --> 01:05:31,927 "we need to talk to you." 1572 01:05:31,929 --> 01:05:33,261 And they said, "we just received, 1573 01:05:33,263 --> 01:05:35,129 In the last ten minutes, 1574 01:05:35,131 --> 01:05:39,233 That your husband is trying to have you killed today." 1575 01:05:39,235 --> 01:05:41,736 - Sarah, on the hit list? 1576 01:05:41,738 --> 01:05:43,604 But why? 1577 01:05:43,606 --> 01:05:45,773 Sarah had a pretty good idea. 1578 01:05:45,775 --> 01:05:47,809 - He wanted all the money. 1579 01:05:47,811 --> 01:05:50,078 And he knew I had it locked up 1580 01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:53,114 With the divorce getting ready. 1581 01:05:53,116 --> 01:05:55,684 So, get her out of the way and we'll get all the assets. 1582 01:05:58,288 --> 01:05:59,554 So they could run to brazil. 1583 01:05:59,556 --> 01:06:00,688 [chuckling] 1584 01:06:00,690 --> 01:06:03,091 - But sarah, marked for death? 1585 01:06:03,093 --> 01:06:04,759 Yes, the sheriff told her, 1586 01:06:04,761 --> 01:06:07,829 She was supposed to die that very day. 1587 01:06:07,831 --> 01:06:09,897 - What was that moment like for you? 1588 01:06:09,899 --> 01:06:13,401 - You can't even describe it. 1589 01:06:13,403 --> 01:06:16,871 It doesn't seem real. It's like a movie. 1590 01:06:16,873 --> 01:06:19,040 I sat there and spoke with them all day, 1591 01:06:19,042 --> 01:06:22,610 And I had asked, "can I call someone?" 1592 01:06:22,612 --> 01:06:24,345 Like, I don't know what to do. 1593 01:06:24,347 --> 01:06:27,248 - They said, "nope, we have to take you into a safe home." 1594 01:06:27,250 --> 01:06:28,783 - Call no one? - Uh-uh. 1595 01:06:28,785 --> 01:06:30,718 - Not even your mom? - Nope, no one. 1596 01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:34,355 Because they were afraid that james would harass 1597 01:06:34,357 --> 01:06:36,758 My family and friends to find my location. 1598 01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:39,327 'cause once he realized I wasn't responding to him, 1599 01:06:39,329 --> 01:06:41,029 He went into panic mode. 1600 01:06:41,031 --> 01:06:43,464 He didn't know if I was working with the police, 1601 01:06:43,466 --> 01:06:46,201 If I was dead, if I was on the run. 1602 01:06:47,537 --> 01:06:50,371 - The cops knew her husband was lurking somewhere out there, 1603 01:06:50,373 --> 01:06:51,973 But they couldn't find him. 1604 01:06:51,975 --> 01:06:54,509 - He was harassing a lot of my friends and family, 1605 01:06:54,511 --> 01:06:55,744 Trying to see if they'd heard from me, 1606 01:06:55,746 --> 01:06:57,178 Which they hadn't. 1607 01:06:57,180 --> 01:07:00,648 - Now the cops were sarah's best hope to stay alive. 1608 01:07:00,650 --> 01:07:03,484 They tried a ruse to throw james off the scent. 1609 01:07:03,486 --> 01:07:06,521 - They even drove me to the border in canada 1610 01:07:06,523 --> 01:07:09,157 To make it look like I had, like, jumped the border 1611 01:07:09,159 --> 01:07:11,759 To see if james would chase me. 1612 01:07:11,761 --> 01:07:13,494 - He did not. 1613 01:07:13,496 --> 01:07:15,497 But where was he? 1614 01:07:15,499 --> 01:07:17,632 No one seemed to know. 1615 01:07:17,634 --> 01:07:20,401 With sarah close enough so they could actually see her, 1616 01:07:20,403 --> 01:07:23,871 Investigators tried to track her husband's phone. 1617 01:07:23,873 --> 01:07:26,107 - You're sitting in homeland security's office 1618 01:07:26,109 --> 01:07:29,243 And you're listening to them ping him across the state 1619 01:07:29,245 --> 01:07:31,512 And he's on the run, he's on the move. 1620 01:07:31,514 --> 01:07:34,182 I think a car backfired in the parking lot 1621 01:07:34,184 --> 01:07:36,150 And all these agents pull their guns out 1622 01:07:36,152 --> 01:07:37,852 And run to the windows, 1623 01:07:37,854 --> 01:07:40,021 'cause they didn't know if james was in town. 1624 01:07:40,023 --> 01:07:42,857 It's a surreal thing. [chuckling] 1625 01:07:42,859 --> 01:07:44,158 - Even if they found him though, 1626 01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:47,061 They couldn't charge him with murder or conspiracy. 1627 01:07:47,063 --> 01:07:49,597 Didn't have enough evidence for that. 1628 01:07:49,599 --> 01:07:52,834 But they did have something quite useful. 1629 01:07:52,836 --> 01:07:54,736 A few days earlier, search warrant in hand, 1630 01:07:54,738 --> 01:07:56,003 State and federal agents 1631 01:07:56,005 --> 01:07:58,739 Including homeland security's darrik trudell 1632 01:07:58,741 --> 01:08:01,008 Descended on james and sarah's empty house 1633 01:08:01,010 --> 01:08:02,743 While they were out of town. 1634 01:08:02,745 --> 01:08:04,078 - What'd you find in the house? 1635 01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:05,613 - Found a lot of financial records. 1636 01:08:05,615 --> 01:08:07,615 Uh, found some firearms. 1637 01:08:07,617 --> 01:08:08,716 - Some firearms? 1638 01:08:08,718 --> 01:08:10,284 - Yeah, I mean I-I can't remember 1639 01:08:10,286 --> 01:08:11,419 The exact number of them. 1640 01:08:11,421 --> 01:08:13,020 - But it doesn't matter if there was one there, 1641 01:08:13,022 --> 01:08:14,089 He's a convicted felon, right? 1642 01:08:14,091 --> 01:08:15,289 - Correct. 1643 01:08:15,291 --> 01:08:17,925 - Grounds for immediate arrest. 1644 01:08:17,927 --> 01:08:20,495 Agents fanned out around north dakota, 1645 01:08:20,497 --> 01:08:22,230 And a few days later, 1646 01:08:22,232 --> 01:08:24,632 In a little place called mandan, 1647 01:08:24,634 --> 01:08:26,601 There he was. 1648 01:08:26,603 --> 01:08:27,702 - What was he doing? 1649 01:08:27,704 --> 01:08:30,705 - He was over at his girlfriend's 1650 01:08:30,707 --> 01:08:32,240 Friend's apartment. 1651 01:08:32,242 --> 01:08:35,276 - That is, the apartment of a friend of peyton, 1652 01:08:35,278 --> 01:08:37,145 The chairman's daughter. 1653 01:08:37,147 --> 01:08:38,713 - We had guys staked out around it, 1654 01:08:38,715 --> 01:08:39,780 Doing surveillance on it. - Mm-hmm. 1655 01:08:39,782 --> 01:08:42,984 - And as we drove by, I recognized him. 1656 01:08:42,986 --> 01:08:45,453 Um, and that was him and-- - on the street? 1657 01:08:45,455 --> 01:08:46,621 - Walking down the street, yeah. 1658 01:08:46,623 --> 01:08:47,922 And we stopped, we hopped out, 1659 01:08:47,924 --> 01:08:49,524 Told him to turn around and show me his hands. 1660 01:08:49,526 --> 01:08:52,226 - James henrikson was surrounded by cops, 1661 01:08:52,228 --> 01:08:54,462 Guns drawn and pointed. 1662 01:08:54,464 --> 01:08:57,798 So what happened then was very odd. 1663 01:08:57,800 --> 01:08:59,033 - He had his hands in his pockets, 1664 01:08:59,035 --> 01:09:00,768 And so we kept telling him to show me his hands, 1665 01:09:00,770 --> 01:09:01,836 But he wouldn't show me both hands 1666 01:09:01,838 --> 01:09:02,804 At the same time. 1667 01:09:02,806 --> 01:09:04,205 And he's got this stupid smirk on his face. 1668 01:09:04,207 --> 01:09:05,473 - Like he's playing with you? 1669 01:09:05,475 --> 01:09:07,341 - Yeah, so then eventually enough is enough, 1670 01:09:07,343 --> 01:09:09,043 So we just put him-- helped him to the ground, 1671 01:09:09,045 --> 01:09:10,244 Put handcuffs on him. 1672 01:09:10,246 --> 01:09:11,546 - Helped him to the ground? 1673 01:09:11,548 --> 01:09:13,348 - He's just smiling up at me and asked me, 1674 01:09:13,350 --> 01:09:15,716 You know, like, "hey, how are you?" 1675 01:09:15,718 --> 01:09:18,686 He instantly went into, like, trying to charm us. 1676 01:09:18,688 --> 01:09:20,154 - He was trying to pull a con on the cop? 1677 01:09:20,156 --> 01:09:21,222 - Yeah, I mean I don't know if he thought 1678 01:09:21,224 --> 01:09:22,423 He was gonna build rapport with me 1679 01:09:22,425 --> 01:09:23,491 In-in relationship 1680 01:09:23,493 --> 01:09:26,661 And-and, you know, we were gonna be buddies. 1681 01:09:26,663 --> 01:09:29,030 - Bizarre though the arrest was, 1682 01:09:29,032 --> 01:09:31,999 James henrikson was at least in custody. 1683 01:09:32,001 --> 01:09:34,001 But sarah, no choice they told her, 1684 01:09:34,003 --> 01:09:36,270 Had to stay in deep cover herself, 1685 01:09:36,272 --> 01:09:39,641 Hiding in a secret shelter, unable to call friends, 1686 01:09:39,643 --> 01:09:41,108 Or even her parents, 1687 01:09:41,110 --> 01:09:43,344 Just in case the hit was still a go. 1688 01:09:43,346 --> 01:09:46,380 - I had a bunch of friends call, 1689 01:09:46,382 --> 01:09:48,716 Um, the sheriffs and the police 1690 01:09:48,718 --> 01:09:50,952 And they were asking, they said, 1691 01:09:50,954 --> 01:09:52,854 "we think that he's had her killed. 1692 01:09:52,856 --> 01:09:55,122 I mean, will you drive around and look in ditches?" 1693 01:09:55,124 --> 01:09:56,991 No-- 'cause no one was allowed to know. 1694 01:09:56,993 --> 01:10:00,195 They wanted him to think that it had gone through 1695 01:10:00,197 --> 01:10:02,129 To see what he would do. 1696 01:10:02,131 --> 01:10:04,198 - I can't imagine what it would be like for your family. 1697 01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:06,834 - Oh... It was hard for them. 1698 01:10:06,836 --> 01:10:08,469 - And james? 1699 01:10:08,471 --> 01:10:11,872 Agreed, very civilized, to talk to investigators. 1700 01:10:11,874 --> 01:10:13,908 But what he did not do-- 1701 01:10:13,910 --> 01:10:15,843 [laughter] 1702 01:10:21,150 --> 01:10:22,750 - --Was tell them the real story 1703 01:10:22,752 --> 01:10:24,319 Of what he'd been up to. 1704 01:10:33,830 --> 01:10:36,230 - The mexican mafia and drug cartel. 1705 01:10:36,232 --> 01:10:37,498 - He gave us-- I mean it was a story. 1706 01:10:37,500 --> 01:10:42,069 I mean, he talked about, uh, the cartels, the-the triad, 1707 01:10:42,071 --> 01:10:43,838 I mean all these organized crime groups 1708 01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:46,941 That he implied having connections to. 1709 01:11:04,727 --> 01:11:06,261 - Did he think you were buying it? 1710 01:11:06,263 --> 01:11:07,528 - Oh, I think in his mind, you know, 1711 01:11:07,530 --> 01:11:09,330 He thought we were buying it. 1712 01:11:09,332 --> 01:11:11,699 But I mean it was so outlandish, 1713 01:11:11,701 --> 01:11:13,401 Nobody's gonna believe that. 1714 01:11:13,403 --> 01:11:14,269 - I have to handcuff you 1715 01:11:14,271 --> 01:11:15,936 Before we bring you back up to the-- 1716 01:11:15,938 --> 01:11:18,472 - Trouble was, investigators in north dakota 1717 01:11:18,474 --> 01:11:21,609 And spokane still didn't have enough solid evidence 1718 01:11:21,611 --> 01:11:24,412 To tie james henrikson to the murders of k.C. Clarke 1719 01:11:24,414 --> 01:11:25,813 And doug carlile. 1720 01:11:25,815 --> 01:11:28,516 For that, they'd have to keep digging 1721 01:11:28,518 --> 01:11:31,419 While henrikson waited in jail. 1722 01:11:31,421 --> 01:11:34,288 That is, if they could keep him there 1723 01:11:34,290 --> 01:11:38,426 When he had other ideas. 1724 01:11:39,763 --> 01:11:44,031 - Coming up: Preparing for the great escape. 1725 01:11:44,033 --> 01:11:45,500 - They knocked out that window, 1726 01:11:45,502 --> 01:11:47,835 Dropped some bed sheets down to the ground. 1727 01:11:47,837 --> 01:11:50,104 - Nine stories. - Oh, my god. 1728 01:11:50,106 --> 01:11:53,308 - When "dateline: Secrets uncovered" continues. 1729 01:11:56,779 --> 01:12:02,917 ♪♪ 1730 01:12:02,919 --> 01:12:05,653 - James henrikson was one of the stranger perps 1731 01:12:05,655 --> 01:12:07,855 Homeland security agent darrik trudell 1732 01:12:07,857 --> 01:12:10,858 Had ever encountered, and had an attitude. 1733 01:12:10,860 --> 01:12:12,993 But, as trudell discovered, 1734 01:12:12,995 --> 01:12:15,930 Henrikson was also an inept criminal. 1735 01:12:15,932 --> 01:12:18,999 Rarely seemed to get his illegal schemes to work. 1736 01:12:19,001 --> 01:12:20,201 - It's almost like a tragic comedy 1737 01:12:20,203 --> 01:12:21,936 When you see the-this group of people 1738 01:12:21,938 --> 01:12:24,071 That were involved with this case. 1739 01:12:24,073 --> 01:12:25,473 - Like the time they put out a hit 1740 01:12:25,475 --> 01:12:27,275 On another business partner, 1741 01:12:27,277 --> 01:12:29,777 But the hit man ran off with the money. 1742 01:12:29,779 --> 01:12:32,346 - The guy rips him off for $10,000, 1743 01:12:32,348 --> 01:12:35,817 And, as he said, that was the easiest $10,000 1744 01:12:35,819 --> 01:12:37,084 He ever made. 1745 01:12:37,086 --> 01:12:38,419 - Gradually, agent trudell 1746 01:12:38,421 --> 01:12:41,222 And spokane detectives burbridge and seznick, 1747 01:12:41,224 --> 01:12:44,225 Amassed circumstantial evidence to show henrikson, 1748 01:12:44,227 --> 01:12:46,060 For all his criminal fumbling, 1749 01:12:46,062 --> 01:12:50,464 Did orchestrate two murders: K.C. Clarke and doug carlile. 1750 01:12:50,466 --> 01:12:53,835 But it was not quite enough circumstantial evidence 1751 01:12:53,837 --> 01:12:56,036 To take to trial. 1752 01:12:56,038 --> 01:12:59,574 'til finally, the break they needed. 1753 01:13:06,616 --> 01:13:09,417 - Timothy suckow, remember him? 1754 01:13:09,419 --> 01:13:12,486 Admitted he killed both victims on 1755 01:13:12,488 --> 01:13:14,889 Orders from james henrikson. 1756 01:13:14,891 --> 01:13:17,291 And the middleman caved too. 1757 01:13:17,293 --> 01:13:19,960 Robert delao, the man who came snooping around 1758 01:13:19,962 --> 01:13:21,729 The investigation a couple of days after 1759 01:13:21,731 --> 01:13:24,999 The carlile murder and passed a polygraph, 1760 01:13:25,001 --> 01:13:27,201 Which might say something about polygraphs. 1761 01:13:27,203 --> 01:13:30,771 Now, delao admitted he recruited suckow, 1762 01:13:30,773 --> 01:13:34,709 And transmitted henrikson's orders and the money. 1763 01:13:40,283 --> 01:13:43,050 - So, in September 2014, 1764 01:13:43,052 --> 01:13:46,220 Nine months after his arrest on weapons charges, 1765 01:13:46,222 --> 01:13:48,522 James henrikson was flown from north dakota 1766 01:13:48,524 --> 01:13:50,891 To spokane, washington, and charged with 1767 01:13:50,893 --> 01:13:54,962 Multiple federal counts of conspiracy, solicitation, 1768 01:13:54,964 --> 01:13:58,232 And murder-for-hire in the deaths of k.C. Clarke 1769 01:13:58,234 --> 01:13:59,767 And doug carlile, 1770 01:13:59,769 --> 01:14:04,172 And attempts on the lives of three more business partners. 1771 01:14:04,174 --> 01:14:05,640 He was not charged, however, 1772 01:14:05,642 --> 01:14:08,108 With trying to kill his wife, sarah, 1773 01:14:08,110 --> 01:14:10,978 Because, said the prosecutors, they went with the charges 1774 01:14:10,980 --> 01:14:13,247 That were easiest to prove. 1775 01:14:13,249 --> 01:14:17,385 So, henrikson was toast. Unless... 1776 01:14:18,455 --> 01:14:21,389 As he sat in the spokane jail awaiting trial, 1777 01:14:21,391 --> 01:14:23,657 Henrikson did his best to see that 1778 01:14:23,659 --> 01:14:25,659 The trial would never happen. 1779 01:14:25,661 --> 01:14:28,829 - He tried to hire people to attack the marshal van 1780 01:14:28,831 --> 01:14:30,465 That was transporting him between our jail 1781 01:14:30,467 --> 01:14:31,799 And the u.S. Courtroom. 1782 01:14:31,801 --> 01:14:34,301 Shoot the driver, set fire to the van, 1783 01:14:34,303 --> 01:14:35,636 And, uh, break him out the back of it 1784 01:14:35,638 --> 01:14:37,771 While the van's on fire. - Good lord. 1785 01:14:37,773 --> 01:14:41,008 - He was still letting on that he had a lot of money. 1786 01:14:41,010 --> 01:14:44,345 And in jail, obviously, it doesn't take too long 1787 01:14:44,347 --> 01:14:46,347 To find people that'll bite on that. 1788 01:14:46,349 --> 01:14:48,415 Unfortunately, he found one that also needed, uh, 1789 01:14:48,417 --> 01:14:49,683 Help with his current charges 1790 01:14:49,685 --> 01:14:52,419 So he turned him in pretty quickly. 1791 01:14:52,421 --> 01:14:53,955 - And thus, the plan was foiled. 1792 01:14:53,957 --> 01:14:54,822 - Yes. - Yes. 1793 01:14:54,824 --> 01:14:57,157 - But henrikson wasn't done. 1794 01:14:57,159 --> 01:14:58,893 - He was in his cell with another person 1795 01:14:58,895 --> 01:15:00,728 Suspected of murder. 1796 01:15:00,730 --> 01:15:02,029 Our spokane county jail, 1797 01:15:02,031 --> 01:15:04,365 There are windows in each of the cells. 1798 01:15:04,367 --> 01:15:06,234 They knocked out that window, 1799 01:15:06,236 --> 01:15:09,570 Dropped some tied together bed sheets down to the ground. 1800 01:15:09,572 --> 01:15:11,572 - Nine stories. - Oh, my god. 1801 01:15:11,574 --> 01:15:14,509 - Some people showing up for work at the jail saw-- 1802 01:15:14,511 --> 01:15:15,443 - The bed sheets. 1803 01:15:15,445 --> 01:15:16,610 - --The rope hanging out the, uh, window. 1804 01:15:16,612 --> 01:15:18,379 - Can you really see anybody squeezing through 1805 01:15:18,381 --> 01:15:19,713 A window that size? 1806 01:15:19,715 --> 01:15:22,316 - They're purposely designed so that an adult human head 1807 01:15:22,318 --> 01:15:24,118 Won't fit through that window. So there was no way 1808 01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:25,920 They were getting out that window. 1809 01:15:25,922 --> 01:15:28,789 - They could have charged him for his escape attempts. 1810 01:15:28,791 --> 01:15:29,957 They didn't. 1811 01:15:29,959 --> 01:15:32,493 The prosecutor had bigger things to do. 1812 01:15:32,495 --> 01:15:35,696 And finally, in January 2016, 1813 01:15:35,698 --> 01:15:39,033 James henrikson encountered them. 1814 01:15:39,035 --> 01:15:40,801 - I was so mad I couldn't see straight. 1815 01:15:40,803 --> 01:15:44,138 - Doug carlile's still grieving family. 1816 01:15:44,140 --> 01:15:45,673 - I had to close my eyes several times 1817 01:15:45,675 --> 01:15:47,875 And actually say a prayer, "god, calm me down." 1818 01:15:47,877 --> 01:15:50,344 I wanted to put my hands on him for sure. 1819 01:15:50,346 --> 01:15:52,813 - Yeah. And then you'd be in trouble. 1820 01:15:52,815 --> 01:15:54,248 - It'd be worth it. 1821 01:15:54,250 --> 01:15:58,252 - Federal prosecutors aine ahmed and scott jones were, however, 1822 01:15:58,254 --> 01:16:01,055 Not exactly confident about their case. 1823 01:16:01,057 --> 01:16:02,823 - Proving k.C. Clarke's murder 1824 01:16:02,825 --> 01:16:05,492 Was the toughest part that I was thinking of. 1825 01:16:05,494 --> 01:16:08,963 We didn't have a body, we had no forensic evidence. 1826 01:16:08,965 --> 01:16:10,097 - So to get a conviction, 1827 01:16:10,099 --> 01:16:12,900 They'd need these two sketchy characters 1828 01:16:12,902 --> 01:16:14,768 Who, allegedly on orders from henrikson, 1829 01:16:14,770 --> 01:16:17,438 Had done some truly awful things. 1830 01:16:17,440 --> 01:16:20,808 If they didn't tell the story and make the jury believe it, 1831 01:16:20,810 --> 01:16:23,310 Henrikson would get away with murder. 1832 01:16:23,312 --> 01:16:26,547 But if they did tell it, what sort of credibility 1833 01:16:26,549 --> 01:16:28,782 Would a person like that have? 1834 01:16:28,784 --> 01:16:32,720 - My concerns-- our most important witness, um, 1835 01:16:32,722 --> 01:16:34,788 Is gonna admit that he killed two people. 1836 01:16:34,790 --> 01:16:36,924 Literally beat k.C. Clarke's brains out. 1837 01:16:36,926 --> 01:16:38,993 - So how do you handle that? - You have to embrace it. 1838 01:16:38,995 --> 01:16:43,897 Our number two witness has a tattoo on his back 1839 01:16:43,899 --> 01:16:45,899 Of him urinating on the headstone 1840 01:16:45,901 --> 01:16:48,336 Of the last guy that he killed. 1841 01:16:48,338 --> 01:16:50,338 These are our two star witnesses. 1842 01:16:50,340 --> 01:16:54,008 - Still, tim suckow, the actual killer, 1843 01:16:54,010 --> 01:16:57,011 Was by far the more important witness. 1844 01:16:57,013 --> 01:17:00,014 After all, suckow could tell the jury chapter and verse, 1845 01:17:00,016 --> 01:17:02,350 About the many twisted and homicidal plots 1846 01:17:02,352 --> 01:17:04,952 Set in motion by james henrikson. 1847 01:17:04,954 --> 01:17:07,554 So, two nights before the trial was to begin, 1848 01:17:07,556 --> 01:17:10,625 Attorneys jones and ahmed went to see suckow, 1849 01:17:10,627 --> 01:17:12,860 Prepare him for his testimony. 1850 01:17:12,862 --> 01:17:16,097 And that's where it all went south. 1851 01:17:16,099 --> 01:17:19,099 Suckow is bipolar. 1852 01:17:19,101 --> 01:17:21,969 - He was laying down on the floor of the prison cell 1853 01:17:21,971 --> 01:17:23,704 In a fetal position. 1854 01:17:23,706 --> 01:17:27,241 And so, this is two days before our star witness 1855 01:17:27,243 --> 01:17:28,909 Is going to testify-- - yeah. 1856 01:17:28,911 --> 01:17:30,577 - And he's basically sucking his thumb 1857 01:17:30,579 --> 01:17:32,079 On the floor of the jail cell. 1858 01:17:32,081 --> 01:17:33,914 I mean, we're there at 10:00 at night 1859 01:17:33,916 --> 01:17:36,583 Trying to make sure that this guy gets his medication 1860 01:17:36,585 --> 01:17:39,853 So he can effectively testify before jury. 1861 01:17:39,855 --> 01:17:43,590 - Would james henrikson, the desperado of the oil patch, 1862 01:17:43,592 --> 01:17:46,794 Go free? 1863 01:17:46,796 --> 01:17:50,764 - Coming up... The entire courtroom stunned. 1864 01:17:50,766 --> 01:17:52,266 - I had decided, long before then, 1865 01:17:52,268 --> 01:17:53,701 That james henrikson was crazy. 1866 01:17:53,703 --> 01:17:55,602 I didn't know he was that kind of crazy. 1867 01:17:55,604 --> 01:17:59,173 - When "dateline: Secrets uncovered" continues. 1868 01:18:01,810 --> 01:18:06,814 ♪♪ 1869 01:18:06,816 --> 01:18:09,683 - It was no easy task preparing tim suckow 1870 01:18:09,685 --> 01:18:11,719 To testify at the trial of the man accused of 1871 01:18:11,721 --> 01:18:14,021 Paying him to kill two people. 1872 01:18:14,023 --> 01:18:17,191 He was off his meds, he was a mess emotionally. 1873 01:18:17,193 --> 01:18:19,827 [sobbing] 1874 01:18:19,829 --> 01:18:21,829 So when the trial began in federal court, 1875 01:18:21,831 --> 01:18:23,163 No cameras allowed, 1876 01:18:23,165 --> 01:18:25,900 The prosecutors held their breath. 1877 01:18:25,902 --> 01:18:27,301 And... 1878 01:18:27,303 --> 01:18:29,837 Suckow, back on his meds, came through. 1879 01:18:29,839 --> 01:18:32,272 And in court he repeated just what he said here 1880 01:18:32,274 --> 01:18:33,974 In his pre-trial interviews. 1881 01:18:33,976 --> 01:18:35,743 That he met delao when they both worked for 1882 01:18:35,745 --> 01:18:37,711 The company that owned the white van 1883 01:18:37,713 --> 01:18:40,948 They drove the night he shot doug carlile. 1884 01:18:40,950 --> 01:18:43,250 But a year before that job, he said, 1885 01:18:43,252 --> 01:18:45,052 Delao told him he could make money 1886 01:18:45,054 --> 01:18:48,388 For roughing up some guy in north dakota. 1887 01:18:48,390 --> 01:18:51,258 But then the boss, that is james henrikson, 1888 01:18:51,260 --> 01:18:52,927 Changed the plan. 1889 01:19:07,943 --> 01:19:10,210 - So when k.C. Showed up at james' office 1890 01:19:10,212 --> 01:19:12,079 Before going on vacation, 1891 01:19:12,081 --> 01:19:16,050 Suckow was behind the door with a heavy truck jack. 1892 01:19:36,739 --> 01:19:39,940 - They ditched k.C.'s truck in a nearby town, said suckow, 1893 01:19:39,942 --> 01:19:42,376 And then they took k.C.'s body to a lonely spot 1894 01:19:42,378 --> 01:19:44,245 Twenty miles out of town. 1895 01:19:44,247 --> 01:19:48,649 Suckow said he did the digging while henrikson stood nearby. 1896 01:20:25,754 --> 01:20:28,555 - Anyway, he said, he got the twenty grand 1897 01:20:28,557 --> 01:20:30,558 And he burned the bloody clothes. 1898 01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:33,227 Investigators found buttons and other evidence 1899 01:20:33,229 --> 01:20:35,229 Of that burn pile. 1900 01:20:35,231 --> 01:20:39,099 But, though they took suckow out to the prairie twice 1901 01:20:39,101 --> 01:20:40,901 To look for the burial site, 1902 01:20:40,903 --> 01:20:44,038 They never found k.C. Clarke's body. 1903 01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:47,708 - K.C. Clarke was simply killed for the reason that 1904 01:20:47,710 --> 01:20:51,578 He just wanted to leave james henrikson's employment. 1905 01:20:51,580 --> 01:20:53,514 He felt wronged. - So I'm gonna kill him? 1906 01:20:53,516 --> 01:20:54,948 - Yeah, it was almost like a jealousy, 1907 01:20:54,950 --> 01:20:56,650 Cheating spouse, kind of thing. 1908 01:20:56,652 --> 01:20:58,652 - And why, according to the prosecutors, 1909 01:20:58,654 --> 01:21:02,022 Did james henrikson want doug carlile killed? 1910 01:21:02,024 --> 01:21:04,858 - He really thought that the oil deal 1911 01:21:04,860 --> 01:21:06,526 That they were involved with 1912 01:21:06,528 --> 01:21:09,797 Was worth tens of millions of dollars. 1913 01:21:09,799 --> 01:21:12,833 And he thought that doug carlile was standing in the way 1914 01:21:12,835 --> 01:21:15,402 Of him getting most, a large share 1915 01:21:15,404 --> 01:21:17,671 That was tens of millions of dollars. 1916 01:21:17,673 --> 01:21:20,073 - Mr. Carlile had already threatened mr. Henrikson that 1917 01:21:20,075 --> 01:21:23,477 He was going to get him out of the oil drilling business. 1918 01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:24,444 - And that was the thing 1919 01:21:24,446 --> 01:21:25,512 That triggered this whole business? 1920 01:21:25,514 --> 01:21:26,813 - Yeah. 1921 01:21:26,815 --> 01:21:28,749 - They were just trying to get each other out of the deal. 1922 01:21:28,751 --> 01:21:30,550 - At the trial, prosecutors introduced 1923 01:21:30,552 --> 01:21:32,719 Hundreds of text messages. 1924 01:21:32,721 --> 01:21:36,890 An almost play-by-play account as the plan rolled out. 1925 01:21:36,892 --> 01:21:41,795 - You can watch a text message go from henrikson to delao. 1926 01:21:41,797 --> 01:21:46,366 And then the content is passed from delao to suckow, 1927 01:21:46,368 --> 01:21:47,834 And then back the other way. 1928 01:21:47,836 --> 01:21:51,438 Negotiations over payment, um, who's gonna be there, 1929 01:21:51,440 --> 01:21:54,775 Does he have an alarm system? 1930 01:21:54,777 --> 01:21:57,010 - So, when doug carlile returned from church 1931 01:21:57,012 --> 01:21:59,847 That evening in December, suckow was waiting. 1932 01:21:59,849 --> 01:22:01,415 He'd brought a heavy welding glove 1933 01:22:01,417 --> 01:22:03,984 In case he had to punch in a window. 1934 01:22:03,986 --> 01:22:05,920 He didn't have to. 1935 01:22:36,118 --> 01:22:38,919 - And then, somehow the welding glove 1936 01:22:38,921 --> 01:22:40,554 Got left behind. 1937 01:22:40,556 --> 01:22:43,724 The glove that revealed suckow's dna, 1938 01:22:43,726 --> 01:22:45,492 And broke the case. 1939 01:22:45,494 --> 01:22:46,526 - Without the glove, 1940 01:22:46,528 --> 01:22:48,696 We would probably be unsolved to this day. 1941 01:22:48,698 --> 01:22:50,764 - And what could have happened then? 1942 01:22:50,766 --> 01:22:52,700 James henrikson, according to prosecutors, 1943 01:22:52,702 --> 01:22:54,835 Was a very dangerous man. 1944 01:22:54,837 --> 01:22:58,171 Was actively planning more murders. 1945 01:22:58,173 --> 01:22:59,773 Eventually, they said, 1946 01:22:59,775 --> 01:23:02,642 Had suckow not lost his welding glove, 1947 01:23:02,644 --> 01:23:07,214 Henrikson might have become that worst of all criminals. 1948 01:23:07,216 --> 01:23:10,250 - A serial killer is someone who causes the death 1949 01:23:10,252 --> 01:23:12,186 Or murder of three people. 1950 01:23:12,188 --> 01:23:14,421 And he certainly got an "a" for effort, 1951 01:23:14,423 --> 01:23:15,589 Because he tried. 1952 01:23:15,591 --> 01:23:17,791 There were about 11 people that we know of 1953 01:23:17,793 --> 01:23:19,459 That he tried to have murdered. 1954 01:23:19,461 --> 01:23:21,261 - James henrikson's defense attorney's 1955 01:23:21,263 --> 01:23:23,663 Declined our request for an interview, 1956 01:23:23,665 --> 01:23:26,600 But they blame the murders on suckow and delao, 1957 01:23:26,602 --> 01:23:29,670 Not henrikson, and essentially argued 1958 01:23:29,672 --> 01:23:34,941 The jury should not believe two such unsavory characters. 1959 01:23:34,943 --> 01:23:37,077 - Elberta carlile watched the trial play out 1960 01:23:37,079 --> 01:23:40,080 Day after day, same prayer on her lips. 1961 01:23:40,082 --> 01:23:42,349 - I prayed for justice for my husband. 1962 01:23:42,351 --> 01:23:44,451 I prayed that the truth would come forth, 1963 01:23:44,453 --> 01:23:49,556 And that there would be a way to go on in life. 1964 01:23:49,558 --> 01:23:52,893 - Deliberations took less than a day. 1965 01:23:52,895 --> 01:23:56,463 On all eleven counts, murder-for-hire, solicitation, 1966 01:23:56,465 --> 01:23:58,232 Conspiracy, and more, 1967 01:23:58,234 --> 01:24:01,802 The jury found james henrikson guilty. 1968 01:24:01,804 --> 01:24:03,804 - We wanted to jump up and down and clap, 1969 01:24:03,806 --> 01:24:05,238 You know, as a family. 1970 01:24:05,240 --> 01:24:06,774 'cause our whole family was there. 1971 01:24:06,776 --> 01:24:08,875 It was great. 1972 01:24:08,877 --> 01:24:12,312 - In the weeks that followed, robert delao, the go between, 1973 01:24:12,314 --> 01:24:15,382 Was sentenced to 22 years in prison. 1974 01:24:15,384 --> 01:24:19,119 When timothy suckow, the hit man, faced the judge... 1975 01:24:19,121 --> 01:24:22,389 - The only thing that he ever asked for 1976 01:24:22,391 --> 01:24:26,059 Was that we do what we can to ensure that 1977 01:24:26,061 --> 01:24:28,262 He was sent to a prison with appropriate 1978 01:24:28,264 --> 01:24:30,931 Mental health facilities so he could figure out 1979 01:24:30,933 --> 01:24:32,599 What was wrong with him. 1980 01:24:32,601 --> 01:24:34,234 - Then in court, he turned around 1981 01:24:34,236 --> 01:24:35,969 And faced elberta. 1982 01:24:35,971 --> 01:24:37,437 - He said, "please forgive me. 1983 01:24:37,439 --> 01:24:39,606 "I'm so sorry for what I've done." 1984 01:24:39,608 --> 01:24:41,875 - Did he seem genuine? - He did. 1985 01:24:41,877 --> 01:24:43,944 He said it in tears, and he said, 1986 01:24:43,946 --> 01:24:46,646 "I can't forgive myself, but can you forgive me?" 1987 01:24:46,648 --> 01:24:49,616 And I-I told him yes. 1988 01:24:49,618 --> 01:24:53,220 I said, "I forgive you. And god forgives you." 1989 01:24:53,222 --> 01:24:56,156 - Thirty years for tim suckow. 1990 01:24:56,158 --> 01:24:58,492 When it was james henrikson's turn, 1991 01:24:58,494 --> 01:25:00,527 A ripple ran through the court. 1992 01:25:00,529 --> 01:25:03,497 Would he too ask forgiveness? Admit guilt? 1993 01:25:03,499 --> 01:25:04,898 Apologize? 1994 01:25:04,900 --> 01:25:08,001 Reveal the location of k.C. Clarke's body? 1995 01:25:08,003 --> 01:25:11,605 Well, no. Not a chance. 1996 01:25:11,607 --> 01:25:15,375 - He read a short story, that was very graphic, 1997 01:25:15,377 --> 01:25:17,043 About abortion. 1998 01:25:17,045 --> 01:25:19,246 So much so that everybody in the courtroom 1999 01:25:19,248 --> 01:25:22,516 Was very uncomfortable with what he was saying. 2000 01:25:22,518 --> 01:25:26,386 And I think he just did that to purposely upset people. 2001 01:25:26,388 --> 01:25:28,021 - I had decided, long before then, 2002 01:25:28,023 --> 01:25:30,023 That james henrikson was crazy. 2003 01:25:30,025 --> 01:25:32,292 I didn't know he was that kind of crazy. 2004 01:25:32,294 --> 01:25:35,796 - Henrikson will leave prison only in a box, 2005 01:25:35,798 --> 01:25:39,666 Having received two consecutive life sentences. 2006 01:25:39,668 --> 01:25:42,869 He's chosen not to appeal. 2007 01:25:42,871 --> 01:25:46,473 And here, in the vast north dakota grasslands, 2008 01:25:46,475 --> 01:25:48,742 K.C. Clarke's friends and family 2009 01:25:48,744 --> 01:25:52,012 Are still searching, vowing to stay with it 2010 01:25:52,014 --> 01:25:53,647 Until they find him. 2011 01:25:53,649 --> 01:25:55,282 - You just wanna, like, "all right, james, 2012 01:25:55,284 --> 01:25:57,151 "you son of a bitch, we're gonna get him ourself. 2013 01:25:57,153 --> 01:25:58,418 "we don't need you. 2014 01:25:58,420 --> 01:26:00,153 "we're gonna go bring him home 2015 01:26:00,155 --> 01:26:02,356 "and we're gonna finally get some closure 2016 01:26:02,358 --> 01:26:03,690 "for everybody here." 2017 01:26:03,692 --> 01:26:05,125 - And elberta... 2018 01:26:05,127 --> 01:26:07,127 - Sometimes grief overwhelms me. 2019 01:26:07,129 --> 01:26:09,796 You know, I'm just in a pile of tears. 2020 01:26:09,798 --> 01:26:12,832 And I've not lived alone ever. - It takes some figuring out. 2021 01:26:12,834 --> 01:26:15,168 - It takes some figuring out. 2022 01:26:15,170 --> 01:26:16,770 - Sarah, thoroughly investigated, 2023 01:26:16,772 --> 01:26:18,038 Was held blameless, 2024 01:26:18,040 --> 01:26:21,308 Not involved in james' violent conspiracies. 2025 01:26:21,310 --> 01:26:23,243 Though, in the community, 2026 01:26:23,245 --> 01:26:24,912 And among some in law enforcement, 2027 01:26:24,914 --> 01:26:27,113 Suspicion lingers. 2028 01:26:27,115 --> 01:26:29,916 In June 2017 she pleaded guilty 2029 01:26:29,918 --> 01:26:32,519 To conspiracy to commit mail fraud. 2030 01:26:32,521 --> 01:26:34,922 Sarah was sentenced to three years of probation. 2031 01:26:34,924 --> 01:26:39,559 And ordered to pay over $340,000 in restitution. 2032 01:26:39,561 --> 01:26:42,596 - So, as you look at all of these events 2033 01:26:42,598 --> 01:26:43,730 And you think, 2034 01:26:43,732 --> 01:26:46,499 "gosh, what sin did I commit to be in this spot?" 2035 01:26:46,501 --> 01:26:47,968 What would you say? 2036 01:26:47,970 --> 01:26:52,672 - I trusted a con-artist. I trusted a sociopath. 2037 01:26:52,674 --> 01:26:54,007 I-- since I married the monster, 2038 01:26:54,009 --> 01:26:55,709 Some people think I should be one too, 2039 01:26:55,711 --> 01:26:58,078 But I'm not. 2040 01:26:58,080 --> 01:27:00,914 - Wreckage, lots of it. 2041 01:27:00,916 --> 01:27:04,384 Once upon a time in a flat and gracious land, 2042 01:27:04,386 --> 01:27:07,221 Where tough men wrestle for oil, 2043 01:27:07,223 --> 01:27:11,024 Murderous ambition bubbled up with the crude, 2044 01:27:11,026 --> 01:27:14,160 And made a play as old as humankind. 2045 01:27:14,162 --> 01:27:15,629 - What was it all about, really? 2046 01:27:15,631 --> 01:27:17,964 Why? - Greed. 2047 01:27:17,966 --> 01:27:20,033 Plain and simple, it just came down to greed. 2048 01:27:20,035 --> 01:27:23,537 It was all about money. 2049 01:27:24,706 --> 01:27:25,872 - That's all for this edition 2050 01:27:25,874 --> 01:27:28,041 Of "dateline: Secrets uncovered". 2051 01:27:28,043 --> 01:27:31,411 I'm kate snow, thanks for watching.