1 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:20,180 Oh, man. 2 00:01:20,180 --> 00:01:22,600 So, uh, as to, uh... 3 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:25,060 We're gonna sit here, Mr. Putin. 4 00:01:25,060 --> 00:01:26,100 I'm gonna sit here. 5 00:01:26,100 --> 00:01:28,650 I will come around, and we can meet here. 6 00:01:32,900 --> 00:01:34,190 We'll meet about here. 7 00:01:34,190 --> 00:01:36,400 Descend from the balcony. 8 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:37,860 ‐I like it better from there... ‐Okay. 9 00:01:37,860 --> 00:01:38,910 'Cause it gives you some depth. 10 00:01:38,910 --> 00:01:40,790 In fact, there's a bar back there if you'd like. 11 00:01:42,410 --> 00:01:44,080 No, further back, further back. 12 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:45,080 Okay. 13 00:01:48,750 --> 00:01:50,710 All right, ready? 14 00:01:51,630 --> 00:01:53,710 Now pretend like we don't know each other. 15 00:01:53,710 --> 00:01:56,760 And we're‐‐ Pretend we haven't seen each other in months. 16 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,260 Okay. And action. 17 00:02:02,100 --> 00:02:03,180 Action. 18 00:02:04,020 --> 00:02:05,600 Tell him "action" in Russian. 19 00:02:07,940 --> 00:02:09,810 Okay. 20 00:02:09,810 --> 00:02:12,480 Where's my AD? Come on. 21 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,360 Action! 22 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:16,110 He went into another meeting. 23 00:02:16,110 --> 00:02:17,650 Oh, there he is. 24 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:22,530 Oh, that's very kind of you. 25 00:02:22,530 --> 00:02:23,780 Here. 26 00:02:23,790 --> 00:02:25,700 Thank you, Mr. President. 27 00:02:25,700 --> 00:02:28,120 How have you been? It's been a long time. 28 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:29,370 ‐Sugar. ‐Sugar? 29 00:02:29,370 --> 00:02:30,700 Without sugar here. 30 00:02:33,630 --> 00:02:35,920 Uh, it's been quite a lot of activity 31 00:02:35,920 --> 00:02:38,970 the last few months. 32 00:02:38,970 --> 00:02:40,090 My country, uh, 33 00:02:40,090 --> 00:02:41,890 America has had an election. 34 00:02:44,140 --> 00:02:47,680 Donald Trump won. 35 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:49,230 This... 36 00:02:49,230 --> 00:02:51,060 This is your fourth president. 37 00:02:51,060 --> 00:02:51,810 Am I right? Your fourth president. 38 00:02:51,810 --> 00:02:54,900 Mr. Clinton... 39 00:02:54,900 --> 00:02:55,900 Mr. Bush... 40 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:59,240 Mr. Obama, and now, 41 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:00,610 the fourth one. 42 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:04,490 What changes? 43 00:03:09,620 --> 00:03:11,843 Is that your feeling, in between all the four presidents? 44 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:25,850 Yeah. 45 00:03:25,850 --> 00:03:28,220 Is there any possibility, a hope of change 46 00:03:28,220 --> 00:03:29,220 with Mr. Trump? 47 00:03:36,020 --> 00:03:37,940 Wow. That's very Russian. 48 00:03:37,940 --> 00:03:40,490 Very Dostoyevsky. 49 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:45,490 Vladimir Putin himself 50 00:03:45,490 --> 00:03:47,620 directed the covert cyberattacks. 51 00:03:47,620 --> 00:03:52,500 This is not just an attack against me and my campaign, 52 00:03:52,500 --> 00:03:54,250 this is an attack against our country. 53 00:03:54,250 --> 00:03:57,880 US intelligence believes that the cyberattack 54 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,300 on the e‐mail of the Democratic National Committee 55 00:04:01,300 --> 00:04:05,510 was ordered by the Russian president himself, Vladimir Putin. 56 00:04:05,510 --> 00:04:06,430 In early September, when I saw 57 00:04:06,430 --> 00:04:09,720 when I saw President Putin in China, 58 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:13,060 I felt that the most effective way 59 00:04:13,060 --> 00:04:15,560 to ensure that that didn't happen... 60 00:04:16,610 --> 00:04:18,730 was to talk to him directly. 61 00:04:18,730 --> 00:04:20,480 And tell him to cut it out, and there were gonna be 62 00:04:20,490 --> 00:04:22,610 some serious consequences if he didn't. 63 00:04:22,610 --> 00:04:25,320 The election has been heavily criticized. 64 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:28,950 And the narrative as written by the West 65 00:04:28,950 --> 00:04:31,500 has now become that Russia 66 00:04:31,500 --> 00:04:34,750 interfered in this election, to the benefit of Mr. Trump. 67 00:05:21,170 --> 00:05:23,630 Yes. So why, why did you bother to hack the election then? 68 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:41,210 Sadly... 69 00:06:42,590 --> 00:06:44,590 the American Dream... 70 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:46,880 is dead. 71 00:07:24,210 --> 00:07:26,380 Donald J. Trump is calling 72 00:07:26,380 --> 00:07:29,130 or a total and complete shutdown 73 00:07:29,130 --> 00:07:32,260 of Muslims entering the United States, 74 00:07:32,260 --> 00:07:34,680 until our country's representatives 75 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:39,310 can figure out what the hell is going on. 76 00:07:39,310 --> 00:07:42,100 Build that wall! Build that wall! 77 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,310 But, you know, even Trump has said 78 00:08:25,310 --> 00:08:26,650 the Russians hacked the election. That was a quote. 79 00:08:26,650 --> 00:08:30,110 As far as hacking, I think it was Russia, 80 00:08:30,110 --> 00:08:32,400 but I think we also get hacked 81 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:35,360 by other countries and other people. 82 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,690 If Putin likes Donald Trump, guess what folks? 83 00:09:07,690 --> 00:09:10,730 That's called an asset, not a liability. 84 00:09:10,730 --> 00:09:13,110 Now, I don't know that I'm gonna get along 85 00:09:13,110 --> 00:09:14,860 with Vladimir Putin. 86 00:09:14,860 --> 00:09:19,240 I hope I do, but there's a good chance I won't. 87 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:21,830 And if I don't, do you honestly believe 88 00:09:21,830 --> 00:09:23,700 that Hillary would be tougher on Putin than me? 89 00:09:23,700 --> 00:09:26,960 Does anybody in this room really believe that? 90 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:29,960 Well, this all seems to me still historically enormous. 91 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:33,760 I've never seen where the two leading parties, 92 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:37,590 the intelligence agencies, 93 00:09:37,590 --> 00:09:41,050 and, uh, the political leadership of NATO 94 00:09:41,060 --> 00:09:43,045 believe this story that Russia hacked the election. 95 00:09:44,770 --> 00:09:46,270 It's enormous. I mean... 96 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,070 Have you read the 25‐page report? 97 00:09:56,700 --> 00:09:59,740 It details Russian cyberattacks 98 00:09:59,740 --> 00:10:01,320 against not just the Democratic National Committee, 99 00:10:01,330 --> 00:10:03,660 but the White House 100 00:10:03,660 --> 00:10:05,160 the Joint Chiefs of Staff, 101 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:06,330 the State Department, 102 00:10:06,330 --> 00:10:07,410 even American companies. 103 00:10:07,410 --> 00:10:10,170 Some hacks, successful. 104 00:10:10,170 --> 00:10:11,170 Others, thwarted. 105 00:10:53,630 --> 00:10:58,260 And, uh, it seems, Senator McCain for example, today or yesterday, 106 00:10:58,260 --> 00:10:59,970 was proposing a veto, a Senate veto, 107 00:10:59,970 --> 00:11:04,720 of any lifting of sanctions from Trump, in advance. 108 00:11:12,690 --> 00:11:13,480 Putin is a killer. 109 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:15,940 There is no moral equivalence 110 00:11:15,940 --> 00:11:19,780 between the United States and Putin's Russia. 111 00:11:19,780 --> 00:11:23,320 I repeat, there is no moral equivalent 112 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,280 between that butcher and thug and KGB colonel 113 00:11:26,290 --> 00:11:29,700 and the United States of America, the country... 114 00:11:29,710 --> 00:11:31,933 that Ronald Reagan used to call a shining city on a hill. 115 00:11:59,900 --> 00:12:02,780 "Carthage must be destroyed." 116 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:53,580 Russia has been accused of enormous treachery now. 117 00:12:53,580 --> 00:12:56,120 This is a major charge. 118 00:12:56,130 --> 00:12:58,250 The media repeats it and repeats it, 119 00:12:58,250 --> 00:12:59,710 and it seems to have entered into the lexicon in the United States. 120 00:12:59,710 --> 00:13:02,010 It's just taken for granted. 121 00:13:02,010 --> 00:13:04,130 You can say Russia hacked the election, 122 00:13:04,130 --> 00:13:06,430 and many people say Trump is, uh, 123 00:13:06,430 --> 00:13:08,930 in the Kremlin's pocket, has a debt to the Kremlin. 124 00:13:08,930 --> 00:13:11,890 So you, you see where this leads to. 125 00:13:11,890 --> 00:13:15,770 It makes a situation impossible, very difficult for Mr. Trump, 126 00:13:15,770 --> 00:13:17,560 if indeed he intends to correct relations, 127 00:13:17,560 --> 00:13:19,860 to reset relations. 128 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:59,810 Many people are frustrated, who agree 129 00:13:59,810 --> 00:14:03,110 that this hacking charge is fraudulent. 130 00:14:03,110 --> 00:14:04,230 Many people agree with Julian Assange, 131 00:14:04,230 --> 00:14:08,650 who has a pretty solid record going back to 2006. 132 00:14:08,660 --> 00:14:12,330 We can say, um, we have said, repeatedly, 133 00:14:12,330 --> 00:14:13,530 uh, over the last two months, 134 00:14:13,540 --> 00:14:18,410 uh, that our source, uh, is not the Russian government, 135 00:14:18,420 --> 00:14:20,130 uh, and it is not state party. 136 00:14:48,030 --> 00:14:50,150 Well, it seems to me that if you know their tricks, you could make 137 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:52,950 some kind of statement about cyberwarfare 138 00:14:52,950 --> 00:14:57,040 and give specifics of why this was not possible, 139 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:58,580 and why there should have been a trace. 140 00:14:58,580 --> 00:15:01,960 I mean, there's many different avenues you can explore. 141 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,170 It seems as if Russia doesn't care 142 00:15:04,170 --> 00:15:07,340 about defending itself to these accusations. 143 00:15:07,340 --> 00:15:11,300 They're letting them fly by and saying business as usual. 144 00:15:51,380 --> 00:15:55,180 Well, is there any evidence, uh, in cyberspace 145 00:15:55,180 --> 00:15:57,890 that Russia can present in its defense? 146 00:16:18,490 --> 00:16:20,870 So, right now, he's waiting it out. 147 00:16:20,870 --> 00:16:23,790 At the same time, you know, Mr. Trump has called, on more than one occasion, 148 00:16:23,790 --> 00:16:29,340 for another massive US military buildup in both nuclear and conventional, 149 00:16:29,340 --> 00:16:30,920 which makes no sense to me. 150 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:33,470 I mean, how can America spend more than it's already spending? 151 00:17:10,750 --> 00:17:13,260 Do you have any hopes of a meeting, uh, 152 00:17:13,260 --> 00:17:15,930 sometime in the coming months with Mr. Trump? 153 00:17:45,410 --> 00:17:48,710 But how is he going to work with the intelligence agencies if the intelligence agencies 154 00:17:48,710 --> 00:17:50,840 are telling him that Russia hacked the election? 155 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:52,170 It's a dead end. 156 00:17:58,050 --> 00:18:00,050 If, uh, Mr. Trump called for... 157 00:18:00,050 --> 00:18:05,180 wanted to declassify or see the files on Ukraine, 158 00:18:05,180 --> 00:18:08,100 all the files, all the files on Syria, 159 00:18:08,100 --> 00:18:10,770 and see the origins of these problems, 160 00:18:10,770 --> 00:18:12,110 is there a possibility of that, 161 00:18:12,110 --> 00:18:14,400 that he might change some of his thinking? 162 00:19:11,670 --> 00:19:13,540 When is the next G20 meeting? 163 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:20,293 So that, theoretically, would be the first time they'd ever see each other if they did? 164 00:19:22,590 --> 00:19:24,810 I gather you've had two phone calls with him? 165 00:19:28,930 --> 00:19:31,480 And I gather, uh... 166 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:33,320 some of the talk may have been about terrorism? 167 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:55,880 Right. Right. I understand. 168 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:59,090 Uh... was there US interference 169 00:19:59,090 --> 00:20:03,840 in the 2012 election in Russia? 170 00:20:31,790 --> 00:20:34,170 We have programs both inside Russia and outside Russia. 171 00:20:34,170 --> 00:20:37,670 To work with those Russian activists 172 00:20:37,670 --> 00:20:40,550 who want to work with us, to try to strengthen rule of law, 173 00:20:40,550 --> 00:20:43,260 to try to strengthen a free press. 174 00:20:43,260 --> 00:20:45,050 We have a large number of Russian journalists 175 00:20:45,050 --> 00:20:47,510 who've actually fled this, uh, fled Russia now, 176 00:20:47,510 --> 00:20:50,970 who are working with us and with others in Europe, 177 00:20:50,970 --> 00:20:54,390 to try to ensure there is, 178 00:20:54,390 --> 00:20:57,770 um, independent Russian language news, 179 00:20:57,770 --> 00:20:59,860 uh, inside‐‐ going back into the country. 180 00:20:59,860 --> 00:21:02,610 We also work on lege‐‐ uh, LGBT rights 181 00:21:02,610 --> 00:21:04,150 and other things inside Russia 182 00:21:04,150 --> 00:21:05,660 with those who want to work with us. 183 00:21:49,910 --> 00:21:53,750 Yes. Was there cyberinterference in the 2012 election? 184 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:14,810 Let's clarify it, 'cause cyberwarfare is here with us. 185 00:22:14,810 --> 00:22:17,730 We've started down that road a few years ago. 186 00:22:17,730 --> 00:22:21,480 We have entered into a new phase of conflict, 187 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:26,190 in which we use a cyberweapon to create physical destruction. 188 00:22:26,190 --> 00:22:27,320 In the movie I did, Snowden, there's a scene‐‐ 189 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,160 and Snowden, uh, told me this story‐‐ 190 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,240 he's in Japan. 191 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,120 NSA wanted to impress the Japanese, 192 00:22:35,120 --> 00:22:36,580 show them our reach. 193 00:22:39,830 --> 00:22:43,170 They were not as thrilled to learn that we wanted them 194 00:22:43,170 --> 00:22:45,420 to help us spy on the Japanese population. 195 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,470 They said it was against their laws. 196 00:22:50,590 --> 00:22:52,800 Of course, we tapped the entire country anyway. 197 00:22:54,060 --> 00:22:55,970 And we didn't stop there, 198 00:22:55,970 --> 00:22:58,060 'cause once we owned their communications system, 199 00:22:58,060 --> 00:23:00,980 we started going after the physical infrastructure. 200 00:23:00,980 --> 00:23:06,280 We'd slip these little sleeper programs into power grids, dams, 201 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,530 hospitals, and the idea was, if the day came 202 00:23:09,530 --> 00:23:12,070 when Japan was no longer an ally, 203 00:23:12,070 --> 00:23:13,070 it'd be lights out. 204 00:23:16,750 --> 00:23:18,330 And it wasn't just the Japanese. 205 00:23:18,330 --> 00:23:21,540 We were planting malware in Mexico, Germany, 206 00:23:21,540 --> 00:23:24,790 Brazil, Austria. 207 00:23:24,790 --> 00:23:26,550 I mean, China I can understand, 208 00:23:26,550 --> 00:23:28,260 or Russia or Iran, 209 00:23:28,260 --> 00:23:30,220 Venezuela, okay, but... 210 00:23:30,220 --> 00:23:32,590 - ‐Austria? - ‐ 211 00:23:32,590 --> 00:23:36,060 You're also being ordered to follow most world leaders 212 00:23:36,060 --> 00:23:37,680 and heads of industry. 213 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,890 You know, you're tracking trade deals, 214 00:23:39,890 --> 00:23:42,850 sex scandals, diplomatic cables 215 00:23:42,850 --> 00:23:45,690 to give the US an advantage in negotiations at the G8 216 00:23:45,690 --> 00:23:50,320 or leverage over Brazilian oil companies, 217 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,200 or helping to oust some third world leader 218 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:54,570 who's not playing ball. 219 00:23:54,570 --> 00:23:58,240 And ultimately, the truth sinks in 220 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,330 that no matter what justification you're selling yourself, 221 00:24:00,330 --> 00:24:02,540 this is not about terrorism. 222 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:06,840 Terrorism is the excuse. 223 00:24:09,670 --> 00:24:14,470 This is about economic and social control. 224 00:24:16,100 --> 00:24:18,510 And the only thing you're really protecting 225 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,270 is the supremacy of your government. 226 00:24:43,120 --> 00:24:47,580 If I'm saying that they're planting malware in Japanese infrastructure 227 00:24:47,590 --> 00:24:49,670 to destroy power stations, railroads, 228 00:24:49,670 --> 00:24:52,380 close the country down, black it out‐‐ 229 00:24:52,380 --> 00:24:53,470 the Russians are miles ahead of me. 230 00:24:53,470 --> 00:24:55,800 They must realize the dangers here, 231 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,970 and they must've been working on them for some time, 232 00:24:59,970 --> 00:25:02,350 uh, to prevent such a situation from happening to Russia, 233 00:25:02,350 --> 00:25:03,810 'cause that would do the obvious, 234 00:25:03,810 --> 00:25:06,520 one of the obvious enemies of the United States. 235 00:25:33,510 --> 00:25:35,380 Yeah. I buy that. 236 00:25:40,060 --> 00:25:41,560 Yeah. 237 00:26:08,210 --> 00:26:13,380 Okay. Well, we're talking‐‐ I mean, in real time, we're talking like, 238 00:26:13,380 --> 00:26:15,590 if Snowden is saying the US is doing this 239 00:26:15,590 --> 00:26:20,180 to an ally in 2007, with Japan, 2008, 240 00:26:20,180 --> 00:26:23,470 if they're planting malware in allies‐‐ do you understand what I'm saying? 241 00:26:23,470 --> 00:26:26,310 What are they doing with their‐‐ 242 00:26:26,310 --> 00:26:29,190 people like China, Russia, Iran, and so forth? 243 00:26:29,190 --> 00:26:32,900 I mean, you understand my point is that Russia had to be aware 244 00:26:32,900 --> 00:26:35,730 as early as 2007 that the US 245 00:26:35,740 --> 00:26:36,740 was planting malware. 246 00:26:36,740 --> 00:26:40,110 The United States will not admit it, 247 00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:41,950 but it's known that in 2010, 248 00:26:41,950 --> 00:26:45,740 we succeeded in planting the Stuxnet virus in Iran. 249 00:26:48,540 --> 00:26:51,130 By the fall of 2010, 250 00:26:51,130 --> 00:26:56,050 the consensus was that Iran's top secret uranium enrichment plant 251 00:26:56,050 --> 00:26:58,260 at Natanz was the target, and that Stuxnet 252 00:26:58,260 --> 00:27:02,930 was a carefully constructed weapon, designed to be carried into the plant 253 00:27:02,930 --> 00:27:05,640 on a corrupted laptop or thumb drive, 254 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,680 then infect the system, disguise its presence, 255 00:27:08,690 --> 00:27:10,940 move through the network changing computer code, 256 00:27:10,940 --> 00:27:14,900 and subtly alter the speed of the centrifuges 257 00:27:14,900 --> 00:27:16,320 without the Iranians ever noticing. 258 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,030 Sabotage by software. 259 00:27:19,030 --> 00:27:23,450 Were there attacks on Russia as early as 2007, '06, '05? 260 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:34,790 Yeah, yeah. 261 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,750 As late as what year? As late as... 262 00:27:42,180 --> 00:27:44,050 Okay. 263 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,140 Yes. 264 00:27:50,350 --> 00:27:51,900 And then what happened? 265 00:27:53,060 --> 00:27:57,690 I mean, when did Russia build up its cybercapabilities? 266 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,400 I would imagine Russia is having an ongoing battle 267 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,360 with the United States, 268 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,730 secret battle, with cyberwarfare. 269 00:28:40,740 --> 00:28:44,280 I would imagine United States is trying to do things to Russia, 270 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,530 and Russia was trying to defend itself, and do things to the United States. 271 00:28:54,370 --> 00:28:56,170 Okay. 272 00:28:56,170 --> 00:28:59,380 Well, he's, he's acting funny about this story. 273 00:28:59,380 --> 00:29:00,500 Like he's guilty a bit. 274 00:29:00,510 --> 00:29:03,050 You look like a fox who just got out of the henhouse. 275 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,350 - A few weeks ago on RT, - I saw a report. 276 00:29:13,350 --> 00:29:16,520 It was not followed up on, it disappeared after a day or two, 277 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,270 but in that report, 278 00:29:18,270 --> 00:29:20,150 20 plus countries 279 00:29:20,150 --> 00:29:23,030 were reported as being part of a botnet attack 280 00:29:23,030 --> 00:29:26,570 on the banking system in Russia, six major banks. 281 00:29:26,570 --> 00:29:31,410 This seems to be of such a magnitude that it was‐‐ this was after the election. 282 00:29:31,410 --> 00:29:35,290 It points to a possible US attack on Russia's banking system. 283 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,020 It's a gigantic piece of business. 284 00:30:44,030 --> 00:30:47,030 I mean, you have Mr. Biden, first of all, who says, 285 00:30:47,030 --> 00:30:49,280 we will attack Russia in the same manner 286 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,320 as they attacked us in this election. 287 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,030 We're sending a message. 288 00:30:54,790 --> 00:30:57,290 We have the capacity to do it 289 00:30:57,290 --> 00:30:59,000 and he'll know it, 290 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:00,330 and it'll be at the time of our choosing 291 00:31:00,330 --> 00:31:03,840 and under the circumstances that have the greatest impact. 292 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:05,840 And Mr. Obama seconded that. 293 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,970 I think there is no doubt 294 00:31:08,970 --> 00:31:14,600 that when any foreign government tries to impact 295 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:15,850 the integrity of our elections 296 00:31:15,850 --> 00:31:20,350 that... we need to take action. 297 00:31:20,350 --> 00:31:22,600 And we will, at a time and place of our own choosing. 298 00:31:22,610 --> 00:31:26,360 Some of it may be, uh, 299 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:30,280 explicit, and publicized, some of it may not be. 300 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:34,070 Um, but Mr. Putin is well aware of my feelings about this, 301 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:35,660 because I spoke to him directly about it. 302 00:31:35,660 --> 00:31:39,660 This is outrageous conversation, but those are big words. 303 00:31:39,660 --> 00:31:42,210 They're from the vice president, and then from the president. 304 00:31:42,210 --> 00:31:44,040 They're serious people. 305 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,380 So something happened before inauguration day. 306 00:32:26,340 --> 00:32:29,300 Well, you're making light of it, but in view of how much money 307 00:32:29,300 --> 00:32:33,380 we have invested in cyberwarfare and our cybercommand, 308 00:32:33,380 --> 00:32:35,260 it seems like a serious threat to me. 309 00:32:35,260 --> 00:32:37,890 I have the feeling that he's playing it down, 310 00:32:37,890 --> 00:32:39,680 because something did happen, 311 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,930 and he doesn't want to reveal it, 312 00:32:41,930 --> 00:32:45,230 and... because of sensitive relations. 313 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,990 No. I'm worried that, you know, I would hate‐‐ 314 00:32:55,990 --> 00:32:59,490 I believe that cyberwarfare can lead to a hot war. 315 00:32:59,490 --> 00:33:01,490 Uh, I, I really believe that, 316 00:33:01,500 --> 00:33:03,790 because of the past. 317 00:33:03,790 --> 00:33:07,380 The Stuxnet virus came very close to creating chaos in the world. 318 00:33:07,380 --> 00:33:10,750 I think this is very dangerous, very dangerous, 319 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,670 and I think we're playing with fire. 320 00:33:16,890 --> 00:33:20,100 I know. Well, you're obviously sitting on some information. 321 00:33:20,100 --> 00:33:22,390 I understand why you may not want to make it public. 322 00:33:22,390 --> 00:33:26,100 But are we gonna be able to handle the capabilities of this? 323 00:33:26,100 --> 00:33:28,480 It seems to me that what happened in Iran 324 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,530 could be as serious in its way as what happened in 1945 325 00:33:32,530 --> 00:33:34,150 at Nagasaki and Hiroshima. 326 00:33:34,150 --> 00:33:35,470 It was the beginning of a new age. 327 00:34:23,950 --> 00:34:25,950 It seems to me it's secret war, 328 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,080 but no one knows who started it, 329 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,540 no one knows if it was a proxy country, 330 00:34:31,540 --> 00:34:33,710 if it was North Korea that hacked Sony, 331 00:34:33,710 --> 00:34:36,300 that, you know, these rumors go around. 332 00:34:36,300 --> 00:34:39,220 But if all the lights go out in Russia overnight, there'd be a tremendous fear 333 00:34:39,220 --> 00:34:42,430 in Russia, as there would be in the United States, 334 00:34:42,430 --> 00:34:44,100 and people wouldn't know who did it. 335 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,770 Oh! 336 00:35:09,250 --> 00:35:10,370 Yeah. 337 00:35:13,380 --> 00:35:14,380 A treaty. 338 00:35:42,030 --> 00:35:44,927 Perhaps this is something that Mr. Trump and Mr. Putin can really open up. 339 00:35:59,300 --> 00:36:02,590 John Reed, the only American buried in the Kremlin. 340 00:36:02,590 --> 00:36:04,590 Played by Warren Beatty in the wonderful movie Reds. 341 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:08,930 He wrote about the revolution. He was here in 1917‐18. 342 00:36:08,930 --> 00:36:11,600 He cared deeply about socialism 343 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,520 and founded the American Communist Party. 344 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,900 Not that that was evil or anything, it was quite idealistic, 345 00:36:16,900 --> 00:36:20,940 'cause it was a worker's‐‐ the workers had a lot of strikes going on in the US, 346 00:36:20,950 --> 00:36:24,450 and there was a lot of opposition from the corporations. 347 00:36:24,450 --> 00:36:26,240 And he was considered a hero 348 00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:27,490 by many, many people. 349 00:36:29,660 --> 00:36:31,330 Of course, he was against World War I, 350 00:36:31,330 --> 00:36:34,830 as were many pacifists and decent people. 351 00:36:34,830 --> 00:36:36,500 And out of World War I came the Russian Revolution, 352 00:36:36,500 --> 00:36:41,460 which is an interesting comment on the role of empires. 353 00:36:41,470 --> 00:36:43,760 Now we're coming up onto Lenin's tomb. 354 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,180 I visited here many years ago, but regulations don't permit us 355 00:36:47,180 --> 00:36:50,640 to go in and photograph anything. 356 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,690 You know, the interesting issue about Lenin's tomb 357 00:36:53,690 --> 00:36:57,900 is the fact that, uh, next year is the hundredth anniversary 358 00:36:57,900 --> 00:36:59,940 of the revolution. 359 00:36:59,940 --> 00:37:01,570 So, this is a big event. 360 00:37:01,570 --> 00:37:05,160 Many people revere him in all the cities of the Soviet Union, 361 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,320 He has many, many statues. 362 00:37:08,330 --> 00:37:12,950 On the other hand, with the failure of Communism in 1991 363 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,710 and the resulting pain to the population, 364 00:37:15,710 --> 00:37:18,130 there's also very divided feelings about 365 00:37:18,130 --> 00:37:20,880 whether to honor him on the hundredth anniversary or not. 366 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:22,170 It's a good time to maybe let him go, 367 00:37:22,170 --> 00:37:25,630 because if indeed his karma's in here, and he's in a grave, 368 00:37:25,630 --> 00:37:28,510 I would hate‐‐ I'd hate to think I'd have to hang around 369 00:37:28,510 --> 00:37:32,020 a hundred more years and be watched by everybody. 370 00:37:32,020 --> 00:37:34,680 I think you'd get‐‐ you should get a moment off, you know? 371 00:37:34,690 --> 00:37:38,770 So that you can go off and ingest a new karma. 372 00:37:38,770 --> 00:37:43,650 When you go in, it's a very... it's a very austere experience. 373 00:37:43,650 --> 00:37:48,320 They keep it quiet. There's a guard that's always there, uh, or two. 374 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,120 Uh, and, uh, you have a little, you're not rushed 375 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,080 like in a lot of places, you're rushed around a lot. 376 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,660 They give you time, and you, 377 00:37:55,660 --> 00:37:58,580 you sit, you watch, you listen, you think. 378 00:37:58,580 --> 00:38:00,590 It's a very powerful experience. 379 00:38:05,720 --> 00:38:06,630 Brezhnev. 380 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,430 - ‐Felix Dzerzhinsky. - Dzerzhinsky. 381 00:38:09,430 --> 00:38:10,600 ‐Andropov. ‐Yuri Andropov. 382 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:14,850 The most famous, uh, villain in history next to Adolf 383 00:38:14,850 --> 00:38:17,350 according to many people, Joseph Stalin. 384 00:38:17,350 --> 00:38:20,060 To the people on the, of the revolution 385 00:38:20,060 --> 00:38:25,030 on the left, for which, uh, Communism meant a change, 386 00:38:25,030 --> 00:38:27,650 better change for the workers, he was a disaster in the sense 387 00:38:27,660 --> 00:38:32,120 that he left a horrible reputation, uh, and stained 388 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:33,620 the ideology forever. 389 00:38:33,620 --> 00:38:38,620 Uh... it's mixed with blood and, and terror. 390 00:38:38,620 --> 00:38:42,750 But he did play a huge role in World War II and was a very close ally 391 00:38:42,750 --> 00:38:45,170 with, uh, the US during World War II. 392 00:38:45,170 --> 00:38:47,550 Mr. Trotsky, no? Where is he? Ask‐‐ 393 00:38:47,550 --> 00:38:49,130 No Trotsky, right? 394 00:38:49,130 --> 00:38:53,140 Stalin, uh, managed to erase, uh, Trotsky's memory. 395 00:38:53,140 --> 00:38:57,390 He ended up being killed in Mexico by Stalin's agents. 396 00:38:57,390 --> 00:38:58,390 Let's go. 397 00:39:00,980 --> 00:39:03,610 - On Stalin. - He said that, you know, 398 00:39:03,610 --> 00:39:06,320 he's said negative things about Stalin, 399 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,110 uh, and of course, he's widely condemned in the world. 400 00:39:09,110 --> 00:39:14,660 But, at the same time, we all know that he lead, uh, Russia to victory over Germany, 401 00:39:14,660 --> 00:39:16,450 over fascism. 402 00:39:16,450 --> 00:39:18,660 And, uh, what does he make of that, 403 00:39:18,660 --> 00:39:21,830 by, uh... let's say that ambiguity? 404 00:39:24,210 --> 00:39:26,010 ‐ ‐Why? 405 00:39:27,170 --> 00:39:29,050 He can discuss it tomorrow if he wants. 406 00:42:09,170 --> 00:42:11,170 Birthmarks. 407 00:42:40,070 --> 00:42:42,310 And your father and your mother admired him, right? 408 00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:57,080 And when did his parents die? 409 00:43:03,140 --> 00:43:04,560 Were they proud of him? 410 00:43:06,770 --> 00:43:09,290 I mean, your mother and father couldn't believe it, right? 411 00:43:31,670 --> 00:43:34,040 "My president coming," let's see. Yeah, that's nice. 412 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,730 The US, uh, accusations are 413 00:43:51,730 --> 00:43:54,770 essentially that you've created a system 414 00:43:54,770 --> 00:43:57,780 of centralization authoritarianism, 415 00:43:57,780 --> 00:44:01,700 what they call an oligarchic state capitalism. 416 00:44:01,700 --> 00:44:02,700 On the other hand, they were quite pleased, 417 00:44:02,700 --> 00:44:06,330 of course, with the 1990s Russia... 418 00:44:06,330 --> 00:44:10,580 where the older‐‐ where the oligarchs thrived, 419 00:44:10,580 --> 00:44:11,540 and then before you came in, 420 00:44:11,540 --> 00:44:14,040 and then you, you knocked out 421 00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,880 or derailed several of them, by your own. 422 00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:20,260 You told me that story, that you had a meeting, uh, in Moscow, 423 00:44:20,260 --> 00:44:22,930 and you made the point in this meeting that 424 00:44:22,930 --> 00:44:25,930 there was a responsibility to the people and to the state. 425 00:44:27,060 --> 00:44:28,810 So, uh, the Western elite says 426 00:44:28,810 --> 00:44:34,560 that you have put your oligarchs into the power 427 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,730 in these last 15 years. 428 00:44:36,730 --> 00:44:40,280 Whereas these old oligarchs are sitting in places like London. 429 00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,530 They admit that they've accumulated great wealth... 430 00:44:43,610 --> 00:44:47,370 but they say that you've lead them to the wealth 431 00:44:47,370 --> 00:44:48,990 and that you've shared in it, 432 00:44:48,990 --> 00:44:53,000 that you are, in fact, the single richest person in the world. 433 00:44:55,830 --> 00:44:59,920 Not since, uh, Rockefeller, Morgan, or Onassis or‐‐ 434 00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:01,880 You may laugh, and I appreciate it. 435 00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:08,260 But as a leader of your people, like, uh, Chavez or Castro, or many other people 436 00:45:08,260 --> 00:45:10,680 who've been accused of corruption, 437 00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:15,440 is there some way you could make your personal wealth clearer? 438 00:47:32,370 --> 00:47:34,530 So, there is, uh, 439 00:47:34,530 --> 00:47:36,410 no bank accounts in Cyprus. 440 00:47:40,370 --> 00:47:42,580 I would imagine. 441 00:47:45,340 --> 00:47:48,300 Well, I have to say from personal observation that, uh, 442 00:47:48,300 --> 00:47:51,550 I would have a hell of a lot more fun if I was rich. 443 00:48:48,070 --> 00:48:52,900 If you run again in 2018 and you win, 444 00:48:52,900 --> 00:48:57,240 you will be in power another six years, till 2024. 445 00:48:57,240 --> 00:49:02,500 You would have been in power as president and prime minister 446 00:49:02,500 --> 00:49:06,630 for 24 years, longer than Roosevelt, 447 00:49:06,630 --> 00:49:10,250 less than Castro, who was close to 50 years, 448 00:49:10,260 --> 00:49:14,590 and close to Stalin, who was, give or take, 30 years. 449 00:49:14,590 --> 00:49:18,510 Now, 27 years. 450 00:49:18,510 --> 00:49:20,470 Does that not scare you? 451 00:49:20,470 --> 00:49:23,810 Do you not get used to power? 452 00:49:23,810 --> 00:49:26,770 Uh, does it distort your point of view? 453 00:49:28,190 --> 00:49:31,860 Do you feel that Russia needs you that badly? 454 00:49:31,860 --> 00:49:35,320 Can there not be a healthy competition 455 00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,240 among successors inside the system? 456 00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:41,830 The Chinese one‐party system being an example, 457 00:49:41,830 --> 00:49:44,460 of competition within the party. 458 00:49:44,460 --> 00:49:46,870 The successors are checked out 459 00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:50,170 for many years as party members in different provinces. 460 00:49:56,300 --> 00:49:58,430 Yes, that's true. 461 00:50:53,860 --> 00:50:56,110 I understand that. I said "if." 462 00:50:57,860 --> 00:51:01,320 If‐‐... 463 00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,370 And of course, no matter what, you know, um, 464 00:51:04,370 --> 00:51:08,580 democracy itself, whatever we call it, is flawed. 465 00:51:08,580 --> 00:51:11,540 And America's system is, is hardly perfect. 466 00:51:11,540 --> 00:51:13,960 We know that money buys power in America. 467 00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,800 Certainly Russia has a flawed system. 468 00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:20,470 It is very like‐‐ unlikely that the next election will convince the world 469 00:51:20,470 --> 00:51:24,600 that, uh, this is a democracy, a functioning democracy, 470 00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,350 unless international monitors were brought in, 471 00:51:27,350 --> 00:51:29,730 as Mr. Chavez did in Venezuela. 472 00:51:29,730 --> 00:51:33,480 And it became a really transparent process. 473 00:51:43,580 --> 00:51:46,910 That is a dangerous argument, because, uh... 474 00:51:46,910 --> 00:51:48,580 it works both ways. 475 00:51:48,580 --> 00:51:53,750 Those who abuse power always say it's a question of survival. 476 00:52:57,150 --> 00:53:02,610 Mr. Putin, I don't doubt for one moment your love and pride in serving Russia. 477 00:53:02,610 --> 00:53:04,950 It is clear that you are a son of Russia to me 478 00:53:04,950 --> 00:53:07,490 and that you've done very well by her. 479 00:53:07,490 --> 00:53:10,950 But I think we all know the price of power. 480 00:53:10,950 --> 00:53:12,080 And when we're in power, 481 00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:16,710 too long, no matter what, we feel the people need us, 482 00:53:16,710 --> 00:53:19,750 but at the same time, we've changed, 483 00:53:19,750 --> 00:53:22,470 and we don't even know it sometimes, or recognize it. 484 00:53:39,570 --> 00:53:41,070 Okay. 485 00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,820 So, uh, what time is it? 486 00:53:49,700 --> 00:53:50,700 Thank you, Mr. Putin. 487 00:54:18,060 --> 00:54:20,360 ‐Beaten? ‐Beaten. No? 488 00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:21,730 Oh, yes, I've been beaten. 489 00:54:28,410 --> 00:54:31,280 Oh sure. Yeah. No. 490 00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,740 I know. But it's worth it. It's worth it 491 00:54:33,750 --> 00:54:36,120 if it brings some more peace and consciousness to the world. 492 00:54:37,420 --> 00:54:38,370 Thank you so much. 493 00:54:38,380 --> 00:54:40,710 Thank you so much. Thank you. Come back. 494 00:54:40,710 --> 00:54:42,880 I will. 495 00:54:49,090 --> 00:54:50,220 Lovely time. 496 00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:52,260 ‐All the best. ‐Thank you. 497 00:54:52,260 --> 00:54:55,310 Thank you. Bye‐bye. 498 00:54:56,430 --> 00:54:59,190 Our American "partner." 499 00:54:59,190 --> 00:55:01,980 It's their favorite word. He's used it a thousand times. 500 00:55:04,150 --> 00:55:06,070 ‐Thank you, Dmitry. ‐All the best. 501 00:55:06,070 --> 00:55:08,240 ‐See you later. ‐Yeah. Next time it'll be relaxing. 502 00:55:08,240 --> 00:55:09,280 See you. 503 00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:10,610 Thank you so much. 504 00:55:10,620 --> 00:55:12,530 Good luck with the military tonight. 505 00:55:12,530 --> 00:55:13,730 Take some time off after that. 506 00:55:21,500 --> 00:55:22,540 Bye‐bye.