♪
- So that final night of the summer,
the two of you made out in the backyard?
- Yeah.
- Ear stuff? - Ear stuff?
- What does that mean?
- What the fuck is ear stuff?!
- Previously, on the Summer House Reunion.
- Lindsay and I have incredible chemistry.
I felt a really nice bond between us
that I've been wanting.
I care about you, and I always will.
- You are finally the person you always wanted to be.
That's a beautiful thing to see.
- Thank you.
- West was there for me all summer.
- And where was I?
- I was living on my own.
I separated from my ex.
And I was trying to prioritize myself.
- Yeah, and you were hanging out with mine.
You'd go out, you guys are going to the bars,
you're breadcrumbing everyone on Instagram.
- Oof. That was tough.
- I, 100%, lied to people here.
- The problem is now
is that I feel like you lie about your life.
Like, you lie about who you are.
- It is The West Show,
and it will always be The West Show.
- You live a different fucking life off-camera
than you do on-camera.
You had a girlfriend.
[dramatic music playing]
Meija.
- Uh, not a girlfriend, but I was seeing someone.
- Like, he referred to me as his girlfriend
all the time.
Our relationship isn't just that easy
for him to, like, completely discredit.
That's just, like, so fucking hurtful.
- Oh, yeah.
At least it's almost over.
- Like, we're about to go confront him.
- I think it'll get a little bit easier.
- We'll be able to talk since you're not physically here.
- Thank you for having my back.
♪
[waves crashing]
♪
- Okay, let's clock back in, kids.
♪
- I'm thinking about chopping my hair off
for the summer.
- Let's talk before you do that.
- Okay.
- With Meija, right?
- Stay by your phone.
I'll be texting you, and I'll call you
if I, like, need anything.
- Okay, bye. - Bye.
♪
- No.
- Come sit with me.
I genuinely worry about you so much.
- No, I appreciate that.
And I know that you said that
and you had texted that too. - And I- I mean it.
- Maybe I'm naive.
I feel like we've had a lot of conversations,
him and I, that, like, made me feel...
- ...secure. And that's okay.
Maybe this will be a huge mistake
and I'll wake up one day and realize it.
But...
Yeah, it's just, like, hard to sit on the stage
and, like, try to explain myself
when no one's gonna listen.
- Yeah.
- You, my dear, look like a movie star.
- Thank you. - You do.
- Thank you, guys. - You look so beautiful.
- Love you.
- You're unbelievable. - Oh, really?
- Yeah. - Oh, thanks, Carl.
- It's fun to watch.
- Oh, 'cause it's not at you.
- I-I agree. - Sort of.
- Yeah.
It's about to get interesting.
- Oh, really? - Comfy couch this year.
- You're both 6'5",
so I'm a little confused why you're slumping.
[laughing]
It's feeling like, your legs are longer, Jesse,
but Carl's torso is longer.
- No, 6'5" guy is built the same.
[laughing]
- I like how in the fight I'm like,
"This 6'5" motherfucker."
fuck off, you fuckin' 6'5" motherfucker.
- No, hey, hey, hey. [overlapped shouting]
- Why...? - Yeah, you said that
like it was an insult.
I'm like, that's a good thing.
Is this everything else?
Oh, good.
This is the end of the show. Okay.
- Wait, where did the-- Oh.
- The two ladies. Okay.
And... Lindsay. Nice.
- Three, two...
- Welcome back to the Summer House Season 10 Reunion.
We still have a lot to discuss
and I wanna leave it all on the table today,
so that you can move forward
however feels right,
whether that's working towards healing
or choosing to step away from certain friendships.
We're gonna dive into what's been going on.
But, first we need to discuss how we got there.
- Fabulous.
- So, West, you were such a steady support
for Amanda all summer.
So, at what point did that start to feel
like more than just a friendship to you?
- We started going out a lot
in February and March with a lot of my friends
and having like, a lot of fun.
Amanda and I share mutual friends,
and I think seeing her happy
and like, having fun and like,
kind of the Amanda that I didn't see prior,
I took it kind of personal, I guess,
because I was bringing her around my friends
and we were out and about and like,
that was special to me.
Like, I know it sounds like so black and white,
but it was a treat for me
to see Amanda like, incredibly happy,
and we started spending more time together.
- Amanda, what about you?
Was there a specific moment
when your feelings for West clicked?
- Um, not necessarily.
We just-- There was like a night where we just...
I don't know, he sort of like said something
and was like, am I crazy?
Like, is there something here?
And I feel like, all the motions
just kind of came flooding in.
It wasn't like a slow burn, or like, a build up to it.
It just kind of like came flooding in all at once.
It wasn't something that was like top of my mind.
- Okay, so, to be clear,
were you having an affair this summer?
- in unison: Absolutely not.
- Because we have lied to people in this room,
which I recognize and again, apologize for.
I get that the things we are saying today,
people have reason to not trust us and like--
- But not only did you lie, you made us feel crazy
for even thinking it could be true. - Yeah.
- Gaslighting. - And then you tricked us.
You played games on Instagram. - And that really hurt.
- You also said "holy frick" to her in March
on a post that-- - Yeah.
- Shouldn't have done that. - You're like... You're...
- Yeah, I shouldn't have done that.
- No, but, like, you guys are so fuckin' calculated.
Why would we trust what you say?
- Mia, on Watch What Happens Live,
I asked him if you thought something happened
between West and Amanda this summer.
Now, what do you think? Looking back on it?
- Looking back, I would say yes.
- Really? - Mm-hmm.
- What specifically were you seeing or hearing?
- Well, in the last few episodes that came out,
just watching, like, for example,
when Kyle and Carl got into the fight,
Amanda, you and I and Lindsay
and the girls were in the kitchen.
And you're so cool, calm, and collect
when you're talking to us.
As soon as you see West when you walk towards the door,
you go into his arms, start crying.
West, you pull Amanda's head in,
you're kissing her on the head.
That's weird.
- You pulling up your fuckin' chair next to me.
[crying softly]
Thank you.
- [indistinct]. - I love you.
- Another time.
I'm not done. - Gotcha.
- Another time, that same night,
Amanda, you run outside to go talk to Kyle.
West, you come behind Amanda
and you're grabbing her like this,
and your hand is awfully close to her breast.
Kyle, stop-- - It's okay. It's okay.
- You're gonna say things you don't mean.
- No, I-- - Kyle!
- You're gonna say things you don't mean.
- It's okay. Take a breath.
- I thought that was strange. - Okay.
- I don't think you would ever grab me like that.
I don't think you would ever grab Lindsay like that.
It's weird. - Okay.
- He has not, in fact.
- I think if you guys thought something weird
was going on last summer, it would have been flagged.
- I don't think so.
I think we looked at Amanda like a victim,
and we thought you two
would never do something like that.
And so it was-- - It was the perfect guise.
- Did you have a crush on her at that time?
- No, but I definitely-- We got way closer
after all the moments that I feel like
we shared intimately. Bathroom crying night...
- Did you have a crush on him?
- No. I was dealing--
I was so caught up and lost in my own marriage
and the fallout of it. I'm just--
It's so easy to watch this through a different lens
and see what you guys wanna see.
But you guys all lived in the house,
and that's not what was happening
at all this summer.
Like, that's what's so frustrating.
I'm not a fucking cheater.
I'm not gonna step out on Kyle.
I'm not gonna do things that are inappropriate.
I've been cheated on. I've been hurt.
I was... I was...
- We're not talking about, like, hooking up.
Like, we're not saying--
We don't think you guys fucked over summer.
- But I think you guys definitely had, like,
an emotional affair. - Okay.
All right, moving on.
- There's an emotional connection that was developing.
- Okay. So they're saying--
- I mean, probab--
we definitely became closer throughout the summer.
- Now we're making some headway.
Now people are starting to be honest.
- Okay, we're getting somewhere. Jesus fuck!
- Lindsay, that's fair to say.
- But not in a romantic way.
- But that is romantic. - I know, but it's...
But it's like, you yelling at West,
it seemed like you yelled at him
on behalf of yourself
and not Ciara. - Correct.
- Why at this small, intimate party,
do you decide to have this girl sitting in your lap
the whole time and, like, making out with her?
- Can you at least see where Amanda's coming from?
- Totally.
- There's a level of respect that we have to have
to live here together.
To watch it back... - Like, you were jealous
watching that. - ...no one felt that way
in the moment. I was--
- Because it was under the guise...
...that this is your best friend.
- And we would never think you would do that.
- I have one timeline question
that I'm a little concerned about.
Just because you lied once,
I'm gonna give you one last chance,
and then I'm gonna take you for your word.
So, Brianna told Dave Portnoy at Super Bowl...
...that you guys were a thing.
Now, there's only two weeks between
when we split and Super Bowl. - Yeah.
- So somehow, some way, one of your close friends
thought of you guys as an item within that two week period.
- We were not hanging out. - Now, I've been DMed
from someone who knows someone from that circle,
saying, "Don't let them fool you.
This goes back to 2025."
- Insane. - I can't reveal my identity.
What? - That's not true.
- All right, so I'm just, again, once and for all,
was there any physical activity?
I don't care if it's an emotional affair,
because at this point, that's subjective,
but did you guys ever hook up in 2025?
- No. fuck no. - On my fucking life?
On the dogs life? No.
- An emotional affair is so much worse than--
- I agree, but we're never gonna be able to prove that.
I mean just... I don't know.
- Can I ask a question really quick?
- Yeah.
- Amanda and West, did you honestly just come forward
because you guys... there was so much speculation,
or were you guys gonna continue to lie to us?
And please be truthful. - To be so honest,
in that moment, came forward because the speculation
because there were a lot of things
that I was still trying to understand and figure out,
including the Meija situation.
- But one more follow-up question.
So, it had nothing to do with, like,
hurting your friendship with Ciara?
It had to do with figuring out
if West was actually exclusive with Meija.
- Again, I know that I fucked it up.
I know that I didn't handle it right.
In that moment, like, that's,
that's all I could understand how to do.
And-And I'm again, sorry for lying to you, Ciara.
- Were there other people, West?
I'm assuming that there were other girls
that you were hanging out with during that time?
- Yep. - Did Meija know
that you were dating other women
during that time, or did she think
you were exclusive, or...?
- Yeah, I mean, I obviously wasn't the clearest,
but it was--
I told her that it was not an exclusive relationship
in like...
November, or December, aft-- - You're lying
because you sent her flowers on Valentine's Day.
So I'm just... When does the lying stop?
- I've been not clear with a zillion women
that I've dated prior to this.
- Hmm. - So that's your M.O.?
- So that's your style. - That's you.
- You understand how that's a little concerning?
Because I still care for her.
- Of course. - Okay.
Can I ask you one last question?
Were you not--
Were you exclusive with Meija?
- I mean, I mean, no.
She thought we were. - Did she--
- So you lied to her. - She thought you--
She thought you were. - You just lied earlier.
- Because you said you were saying these things to her,
and you asked-- - So, you're a [indistinct].
- And you said you wanted to be with her.
- Earlier today, you said you were not exclusive.
She says that you guys were exclusive, and in fact,
she spent the night with you. - We weren't.
- Now you're like, okay... - He can't even keep up
with his lies! - I lied again.
- Okay, so what is the truth?
- West. We know.
- How do you know the details about this?
- We know. The curiosity got the best of me.
I reached out to her. - Um, I actually have the timeline.
- I reached out to Meija, too.
I've been chatting with Meija all the time.
- Hold up. You- You've talked to this woman?
- Yeah. - Yes.
- Yes? - Yeah.
- Got it.
And so you were dating her and you were secretive.
- Secretively, yes. - And she thought
that you were exclusive,
but you were seeing a lot of women.
- For 14 months.
- Not a lot, but yeah-- - You were seeing other women.
- Correct.
- You were saying I love you to this woman.
You can't even look at me because you know
you're fuckin' lying right now.
- Does it give you cause for pause
that he was seeing this woman, saying
I love you to her, and...
- Sending her flowers on Valentine's Day.
- ...she thought that they were monogamous.
- You flew her out to Bozeman
for the Montana game with your dad.
- That was January... 3rd. - Yeah. That was January.
Either way, you're flying this girl out.
- Does that-- Okay, hold on.
Does that give you-- - Way before any of this?
Does that worry you? - "Way before."
- Okay, hold on. Hold on.
- I had some of this information,
not all of it.
- Interesting. - Does it worry you
that he sent her flowers on Valentine's Day?
- There was nothing really going on between us
on Valentine's Day. - Okay, what about--
- You just said! - What about January?
- I-I feel like the Super Bowl thing
is, like, incriminating.
Dave Portnoy has no reason to get involved,
so I'm like... - This is crazy.
- February 3rd.
- Has anyone else met your girlfriend, Meija?
- Yeah. Ben and I have. - You have?
When did you meet her? - I'd also like to say,
"girlfriend" is not true. - Well, she thought--
- Yeah, because you have loopholes.
Because you have loopholes. - She thought that you were--
- That's how she calls herself.
- Did she think she was your girlfriend?
- She thought we were in an exclusive relationship, yes.
- That's a girlfriend. - Then that's your girlfriend.
Yeah. - That's what a girlfriend is.
- Yeah.
♪
- Did she think she was your girlfriend?
- She thought we were in an exclusive relationship, yes.
- That's a girlfriend. - Then that's your girlfriend.
Yeah. - That's what a girlfriend is.
- Yeah.
♪
- Jesse, when did you meet her?
- October, we went out to Montana.
I've always thought that Meija understood
that they were not exclusive.
What it feels like now, is that you probably told her
that this is all just for a show, and...
- That's quite literally what he did.
- What do you want to say to West?
- I mean, I am not the person in the situation
who needs sympathy, but it-- you know,
and I feel for Ciara and Kyle.
But it hurts, deeply, and I just feel lied to.
I'm really upset that the sanctity
of this friend group feels broken,
and I just...
Today has really proved that I just would never
have expected this out of you.
And I'm sad about it.
- I apologize, Jesse.
- It's-it's-- it's--
It's heartbreaking that we're--
- It took all of us to go to West Village bars.
- West, you said at the apres-ski party
that you weren't looking to be anyone's boyfriend.
- It's hard to ignore the sexual tension,
but that being said, I am not trying to portray
that I am a boyfriend. - Yeah. Yeah.
- That's not what I'm doing.
- Since you've expressed your feelings for each other,
have the two of you been monogamous?
- Yes. - West, have you
been monogamous to Amanda since--
in the last two months? - Uh, actually,
not since we expressed feelings, no.
- What? - Um...
- Yeah, 'cause the Internet would have a frenzy with you
at this point. - Yeah.
- So, yeah, you wouldn't. Why would you?
- But since the statement, yes.
- Since your statement, you've been monogamous.
- Yes, sir.
- West, Vera from Hollywood said,
"There's a lot of pressure on you to make things work
"with Amanda.
"People are joking, you need to get married
"or get Amanda pregnant ASAP to make it all work, then."
[coughing]
How does that-- I mean, do you feel pressure
to make this thing work?
- Yeah, I don't think that should be why it works.
- Right. - But, obviously,
in a moment like this, that's what you feel.
- It seems dangerous for me with someone with
very clear commitment issues. - That--
I would agree.
- Like, I just get-- I just still cannot believe
we're in this, like, position.
Like, we were really close.
Like, I considered you one of the best things
that ever happened to this show
because I considered you one of my best friends.
I think that, um--
I think that the most eye-opening part of all of this
has just been unfortunately kind of learning about
what's kind of behind closed doors in your life,
and, like, I do still have love for Amanda
and I do still care for her,
and I-I am very concerned.
And at the end of the day, like, yeah, when we broke up,
it was not a good marriage.
You knew that. You had a front row seat.
You knew that she's in the most vulnerable spot
any girl could possibly be.
She just got out of a ten year relationship,
and to quote you on Andy's show,
it's like, "Yeah, I'm gonna show her the streets."
[coughing]
And deciding to, like, make that move,
and pursue these feelings,
you've essentially completely isolated her.
Like, she's, like, kind of alone on an island.
And I-I honestly just have to ask, like,
what is your plan for Amanda,
and is all this really gonna be worth it?
But I'd like to think that you care about her,
and I'd like to think that you feel like
you owe her something, but, like, where do you go from here?
- Yeah, um, part of our conversations
were obviously weighing in how much this could
fuck up friendships,
and that's why I wish more than anything
we could have spoken to each other
before the shit fucking got carried away.
Um, but this was-- - But that was when
you were in my business.
That's when you were inserting yourself
into my marriage.
I was texting you in early February,
not knowing you're in Miami on a dinner date with her,
about our sex life or the lack thereof.
Do you understand how big of a fool I feel?
- Totally. - You were literally with her.
- Totally.
Um, and again, that was not anything romantic
at the time, but--
- But why wasn't I invited, then?
Like... - I don't know.
You and I had dinner plans the next night.
I should have invited you. I apologize.
- It just-- it looks bad. - No, I understand.
Everything looks shitty.
Um, the concern about me being, like, the worst person
to risk all of this makes total sense.
And I hear you out, and I think that's
not just your concern but everyone here's concern,
and--
- Like, I actually care about her family.
I don't even know what her family's gonna think
when they see this, 'cause, yeah, we just kind of
exposed you for having a full-blown girlfriend,
and I'm like, this is horrible. - Okay, so...
is there anything you can make us feel better about it?
Like, you not being the worst person
to risk it all for? - You're-- yeah,
you're still not even being, like, "she's worth it."
- We just kind of exposed you
for having a full-blown girlfriend,
and I'm like, this is horrible. - Okay, so, is there anything
you can make us feel better about it?
Like, you not being the worst person
to risk it all for? - You're-- yeah,
you're still not even being, like, "she's worth it."
- Um, a lot of our conversations were about
this needs to be something that's serious and has legs,
and we both would be willing to--
- But how much is that a PR damage move?
- No, I'm talking about before all of this happened.
- All right. Sorry.
I'm gonna try and not interrupt.
- No, it's okay. And I hear--
I 100% hear you.
This got so out of my control,
and I wish it didn't, and again,
I will forever regret not speaking to you
before this happened.
- I mean, it was in your control the whole time.
You had to have known what was gonna happen.
- If you're hooking up or doing whatever you're doing
and posting about it-- - Yeah, and also--
- Yeah. - Yeah, it's like--
I feel like you guys bragging about it
for months on end is really the point
where it's like the most disrespectful
to everyone. - I-- That, a hun--
- Do you guys think you weren't bragging about it
when you were posting on Instagram?
- You literally posted a picture where you were like,
"This is how much I care."
- It had nothing to do with anything.
- What did it have-- I even texted you about it.
- It's so easy to read into everything.
- Amanda. - And that's not what I was--
- Amanda, girls post so consciously, subconsciously,
even down to the song.
- I post trending songs.
I'm not spending five minutes--
I literally open up Instagram and it says,
"suggested for you," and I pick a fucking song.
- She did a 20 carousel thing of her and West,
and then the last one was like, "This is how much I care."
- Yeah, yeah, convenient. - No, on my fuck--
Then that was a very dumb mistake
on my part, but literally they're not related.
And when I was posting--
you guys don't have to believe me.
- What about the invisible text one,
that at the end said, "Same"?
- I-I have friends that also do invisible text.
- For the in-- oh, okay.
But West is notorious. - Nastasia from Sleeping Hollow--
- West is the only one who does that.
- Nastasia from Sleeping Hollow, New York said--
- Not only on there. It's on everyone's phone.
- ...Amanda in light of everything that's happened,
do you think you and Ciara ever
truly became real friends
or was it more of a show friendship?
- I mean, there's definitely real friendship there.
I wouldn't chalk it up to just a show friendship.
That would be insensitive and insane.
- Um, when you watch back the scenes
of Ciara being a supportive friend to you,
how did that feel watching it back?
I mean...
- I haven't been watching the show,
but I know that she has been--
I watched past seasons.
I have not watched this.
- It was really tough to watch.
- Do you plan on watching it?
Because it kinda feels like a copout
not to watch it. - Right.
- Because the second to last episode,
was the hardest thing I've ever had to go through.
- I will watch after this reunion.
Or after-- at some point, but, like--
- But I feel like it's, like, too late.
Like-- - Yeah, I mean, it's--
- No, I'm putting-- - It's like you've got the time.
- I was up 'til 3:00 in the morning watching it,
'cause I-I look-- - Okay, and I understand that,
and I'm not playing victim again.
- Nobody's saying that. - I'm just--
- I think it's just a reflection
of how much you don't care. - Before I explain,
I do care.
The Internet has been dragging me.
When I watch the episodes, I can already pinpoint
everything that everyone's going to say about me online.
And that has been very difficult
for me to deal with, so I have to have--
I stopped watching the episodes
because I cannot handle the idea of thinking about
all the nasty shit
people are gonna say about me afterwards.
I had to stop watching them.
- Amanda. - Yeah.
- I think that the thing that is killing people
so much about this,
and the reason people are so upset about it,
is that it feels like just such a friend betrayal.
- Yes. - And these scenes of Ciara
trying to give you the strength to get out
of a bad relationship...
- You're used to kind of, like, being beaten down.
Like, you don't realize your magic.
- I'm really grateful to have you guys as friends.
- Oh, baby, you're stuck with us.
- If you want to fucking go, tell me when,
and I'll schedule every fucking thing for you.
You are in charge of your life.
You have to stop letting life happen to you.
- Thank you.
I have very good friends to remind me that every day.
I did a really shitty thing.
- You're still doing a really shitty thing.
- And-and-- - Because I literally--
- What are you-- hold on. Hold on.
What do you have to say about it?
I mean...
I don't know that I've really--
What is going-- what are you feeling about it?
What are you thinking? And maybe speak to her.
- In regards to the situa-- - Betraying her, yes.
- No, I-- this has been an-an--
a very confusing and crazy time.
There's been a lot of feelings that I've sorted through.
I--
Again, I developed feelings for someone
that I wasn't supposed to
in a way that I wasn't expecting to,
and it has--
Again, there were times I lost sleep, I didn't eat,
thinking about what this was going to do
to our friendship,
even the fact that these feelings existed.
I fucked up, and I'm deeply sorry
for betraying your trust.
And it kills me to know that I have caused you this pain.
- No, it doesn't, Amanda. You didn't even--
Like, you fucking texted me 24 hours before
your fucking statement's gonna come out,
finally admitting the truth of it.
- I couldn't-- I wouldn't-- - Meanwhile,
I'm calling Kyle like, what the fuck is this,
when I have nothing but be there for you.
- I--
- And Lindsay has to come and pick me up
off the fucking bathroom floor so I can go and do
my fucking job, okay? - And I'm not--
- Because I couldn't fathom that I would be sitting here,
right here, today, pissed that you're fucking my ex.
And-and he propositioned you, and you said, "Yeah.
"Let's do it." Like...
At the slightest, if you were my friend ever, you would be
like, "Hmm, that would be a big fuck you to Ciara.
"Why would I ever do that to her?"
- I wasn't-- - If anything,
you would be like, "He wants revenge against her,
"'cause he resents her so fucking much,"
but that never even crossed your mind,
because he wants to embarrass me.
He wants get his last little word.
This is his last little word, and I hope it works,
because he's with you to spite me.
So... have fun.
♪
- My neck's gonna be pinched by the end of today.
- I know, my back is fucking killing me.
- If I wasn't wearing this dress, it wouldn't be,
but I'm like, I cannot have a sloppy boob moment.
- A malfunction?
- I know. - Five, four, three...
- Welcome back
to the Summer House Season 10 reunion.
Ciara, you said that walking this season back
has been a major mind-fuck.
Which scenes have been the most difficult
for you to watch?
[Kyle scoffing]
- I think, um, the last episode.
Um...
Yeah, the last episode, like, when we're, like,
all leaving the house. Um...
I think, like, obviously, it was, like,
such a big season.
We had, like, such a good summer,
and...
It kind of felt like we were-- there was gonna be
a major pivot and stuff, and, like...
Yeah, it was, like, really emotional for me
to see a scene of, like, me and Amanda saying goodbye
to each other, and, like, me telling her, like,
how much I love her, and how special she is,
and, like, she's beautiful, and she's seen, and, like,
she deserves the best.
That kind of fucked me up a little bit.
Um...
Yeah, that kind of--
It's a bit bittersweet.
[sniffling]
- That final weekend, um, you seemed instrumental
in pushing Amanda to do something about
her relationship ending.
Do you regret that now?
- No, because at the time, my friend was unhappy
and I wanted her to be happy.
And I wanted her to feel a sense of, like, relief.
I wanted her to be able to exhale for a second.
I wanted her to be able to think about herself
and, like, what she wants in this life.
That made me sad to see a woman, like,
not believe in herself, and, like,
not think that she was worth anything,
or, like, not think that, you know, she was worthy
of something so great, or that her value equated to,
like, the man that she was dating
or she just, like, completely obliterated
her own dreams in order to fall in line with, like,
a guy that she's married to.
Like, I-I don't-- I've never seen that type of relationship
in my life, but I've also never seen a healthy marriage
in my life.
I've seen a woman who, like, had to fight tooth and nail
to support two kids, and, like, her mom passed away early
and so she had to figure things out
and work two and three jobs to support her kids,
so it's like--
but that independence, and that--
and that financial freedom, and that, like--
that drive, and that builds--
like, it's worth something, and it's worth it.
- What's your response to that?
- No, I mean, I've--
I mean, I've been extremely a-appreciative
of everything that Ciara has done for me
and been there for me throughout the years.
Like, I know that I have fucked up...
an incredible friendship,
and that is something that I will live with
for the rest of my life.
No matter what happens in this situation,
I'm gonna-- I will walk away from this set today
and be doing a lot of thinking
and a lot of reflecting
and maybe spending a lot of time
just thinking about... me
and what's important to me.
But I've-- I cannot say sorry
more to you, Ciara, like,
until I'm blue in the face.
I truly am sorry for what I have done.
Truly, you do not deserve a friend like me.
- Okay. - Is there anything she could...
say right now? - But I don't--
- And I don't deserve a friend like you.
- What did you think was gonna happen, though?
- I don't know. - Like I don't--
That's where I'm getting really confused.
- Yeah, where was-- like, go back to my question
about the plan. - How did you not know,
knowing Ciara-- Knowing Ciara!
- Yeah. - How did you not know...
- I-- - ...what this was gonna do to this friendship?
And you were willing to say fuck it.
- Yeah, that's what the part-- - Living in Cloud 9--
Living, like, not-- - That's the part that's, like, disposable.
- I wasn't thinking it fully through.
- Jesse, what's going through your mind?
- I was hoping you wouldn't call on me.
- Jesse needs a tissue. - Um...
[sighs]
- I didn't expect to get this emotional about it.
But just, like, based off what we've heard,
you know, I'm someone whose best friend
has hooked up with his ex.
And I think a lot of those e-emotions
are coming up.
I know what it feels like.
- Yeah, one of Jesse's friends this summer
hooked up with an ex of his.
Literally, that's what he said.
- And lied about it. - And lied about it.
It literally happened to him.
- For months. - Right.
- And also, I feel like I'm losing a brother.
And, uh, I mean, I hope, like, that you can somehow
improve and prove us wrong and whatever, but...
it doesn't look good.
- West, what's your reaction to that?
- Um, I fucking hate that.
And obviously Jesse and I are incredibly close
and hearing him say it doesn't look good
is... devastating.
I wanted to be here today and apologize
and try to articulate well, and I--
Um, the friendships here matter to me
so fucking much.
And it sucks knowing that...
I'm responsible for watching...
the cracks in all of this.
- Um, no offense.
Like, are you on, like,
a bunch of beta blockers or what?
Because, like, everybody's so emotional around you--
- Mm-hmm. - About you
and their relationship with you, and...
You're like this.
I'm just curious what's going on.
I'm talking to you. - Y-yeah, no, I know.
Um, I'm trying to stay composed,
uh, as much as possible.
There's nothing--
- Or you're-or you're just a sociopath.
- Are you on beta blockers?
- I did take beta-- I took a beta blocker.
- Okay. - But, I mean, I don't...
know if that's why I'm not, like, sobbing this moment.
I-I-- this matters to me.
I apologize if I don't read emotional enough,
but, like, this is my friend.
If I was sitting where Carl is,
I would wrap my arms around him,
um, but I don't know if that's wanted.
- Amanda, was it worth it?
- I--
That's an impossible question
to answer in this moment
because I wish I could have both.
Even though that's not the case.
- So let me ask you very clearly,
are you two in love?
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- Let me ask you very clearly,
are you two in love?
- Uh, we're not--
We are not using the word love right now.
- It's so early. - It-It's been two months,
three months, like, yeah.
- He told me he thinks he loves her.
- And I'm very much, like, committed
to this relationship.
- Do you think you could be falling in love?
- That's the conversations that we've had.
That's the reason that I've waited--
You can laugh at me all you want.
- Go on.
- Wait, You guys had-had those conversations,
- Yes. - But Wes is sitting here saying, "No."
- We haven't said it. - No, he--
- Yeah, we're not saying it.
- Okay.
- He's gonna embarrass you. - But you feel like that could be--
- They're having conversations about saying it.
- It could be. You're-you're checking--
- No, we're not having conversations about saying it.
We're having conversations about the serious of our feelings
and where we see this going,
because we knew that there was so much on the line.
- So you guys are exclusive now?
- Yeah.
- Got it. - They have to be.
- And-and you want-- and you still wanna be with him?
Like, after all this shit, Amanda?
Like, you-- Like, you see this behavior?
He's hooking up with four different girls
and your former best friend.
That's fucking crazy.
- And I-I hear you.
- Do you think that you are able
to give Amanda what she needs in a partner?
- I'm... committed to making the effort to do it.
I know, again, my history does not say so.
But I think if Amanda and I can get back to
what our early days were,
those are very special days and days that I--
- Your early days?
Like, six weeks ago? - The honeymoon phase?
- No, I know, I'm just saying-- - Oh, my God, not this one!
- Um, but to-- - You're like every other guy.
- Hold on. - But to...
- Early days, like six weeks ago?
- Just, like, when this relationship
was blossoming, and, like, we started
to, like, feel things. - Okay.
- That's the most fun. - It's because you're being sneaky.
- And you're infatuated with each other.
- No, I think he means-- - You're running around, you're being sneaky.
- I think he means when it's-- - It's exciting.
- Yeah, it's sneaky. - I think he just means
when it hasn't been dealing with--
- It's the thrill of the chase because [indistinct]--
- The other stuff, the other stuff.
- ...The fallout and the turmoil.
- Correct, but I-- - That part, not--
- Yes. - I care a lot about...
my friendships and people in this room,
despite I know what-- - Lie! That's a lie.
- Okay, hold on. - ...Everyone will say here.
Um... - Sorry, I'm over it.
- Okay, hold on. - I-I--
[chuckling]
- I hope that one day, I guess probably
all of these friendships will re-mend,
but I do hope, um, some of them can be.
And th-that's the main priority.
- Did you say, "Act like you like me,"
to West at the Yankees game?
- I don't-- It wasn't--
I think that was probably the sentence,
but it was a longer statement.
That was the end of it.
I didn't just say, "Act like you like me."
- Can I--?
- Go, Ben. - Say something.
Ben wants to say something.
- Ben?
- Um, fr-from a perspective of-of, like, K.J. and I,
you four boys, you know, welcomed us in with open arms,
and we had a great summer.
The boys were on, you know,
we-we were bouncing off each other.
There was quite the bromance and everything.
- Boys summer! - Boys summer!
- Let's go!
[boys shouting]
[laughter]
[shouting, cheering]
- The boys are too hype.
- The boys are way too hype on each other.
- They need to stop. - It's disgusting.
- It is.
- And I-I truly believe that you were
one of-one of the boys,
you know, you played football.
You understand bro code.
That was the thing that's the most kind of disappointing
is that I-I know you know,
that's how to roll.
I know, like, with all you boys from home,
there's no way you would-you would
go near anyone's ex-girlfriends or wives or anything.
I think what breaks my heart the most
looking at right now is
the-the boys literally breaking down,
like in tears because it's-it's cut them so deep.
And you were like-- You were the--
One of the leaders of the pack.
I think that's, like, what's
the monumental letdown of everything
and just like kind of crushed it all
to-to smithereens.
And it just doesn't feel like you kinda understand
the gravity of what's happened.
- Today, I've learned it--
I mean, I knew it was an-an issue,
but I've learned today that it's--
- What would you even said to me two months ago?
Like, I don't even--?
- It's just such a--
I've just never even gone where you've gone.
- Mm-hmm.
- And it's just hard to even...
- Well, Jesse did say you were gonna come in combative.
So today, you understand everything.
But yesterday--
- That I was gonna come in combative?
- Yeah, like-- - Uh, I don't--
- Or, like, have a defense, but, like--
- That was just a guess.
- Oh, no. - But, like--
So it took-it took today? - I know I've-I've h--
I've hurt people.
I've hurt-I've hurt you. I've hurt Kyle especially.
And also everyone here.
And it fucking breaks my heart.
And that fucking sucks. And I'm sorry.
And I do think at this point,
people here know that friendships do matter to me,
but I have compromised those in...
more ways than one. - We don't know that anymore.
We don't know that anymore. - I-I understand.
- Because we also don't know who you are.
Like, you're a completely different person
than who you, like, lead on to be, so...
- It's like how many situationships do you need
to-to kind of, like...
get yourself off-- - To get to the center of the lollipop?
- ...and-and feel like the man?
Like, how much is enough?
- Yeah, it's a good question. And I've never--
- As much as-- As long as he'll gain
followers from each one
and can get something out of it.
- Well, let's-let's take a break
and we'll be back to wrap this up after this.
Okay, make this a super quick pee break.
♪
- We did this for 10 hours, and I still don't feel clear.
I have no clarity. - No, I have zero clarity!
- I don't understand when it happened, because--
- I-I know nothing. - Because--
- I'm walking away, knowing less than.
- I agree. I-I'm walking away
knowing less than what I came in knowing.
- Yeah.
♪
- How do you feel?
- I mean, um, horrible.
Yeah, I don't think there's--
- I will say, like, I'm honestly still trying
to figure out how much you care,
because like I--
- He doesn't.
- It's been one long mind-fuck over two months.
And then being here, I'm not gonna lie,
like, I didn't know how I'd even react
seeing the two of you together.
- Mm-hmm.
- Usually, like, you come into a reunion,
you try to shoot for resolution.
I knew there was not gonna be resolution today.
But, like, the whole, like, what's the plan question,
is also f-- not just for you and Amanda,
but everybody. - I-- yeah, I-I mean...
- I'm not saying you have an answer
because it's a fucking loaded question, but...
I'll be right back.
I'm really hot.
- Uh...
[Kyle sobbing]
♪
- We'll talk tomorrow. - I hate when our 10-year relationship
gets talked about as if it was 100% bad.
- I know. I'm sorry.
♪
[West coughs]
- Andy, I don't-- I haven't learned anything.
- What are you talking about?
- I just feel like there's not a lot of clarity.
- Really? - Yeah.
♪
- Andy, I haven't learn anything.
- What are you talking about?
- I just feel like there's not a lot of clarity.
- Really? - Yeah.
- Should we start over?
- I mean, kind of.
- Okay, Lindsay, here I go.
[laughter] - I wanna see--
- Hey, everybody, welcome to the "Summer House" reunion.
- I mean, I just...
I don't know, why did it take today
to, like, think through any of this?
Like, I don't get it.
I'm just so confused how such a big decision
at such high risk
and you're saying you guys weighed all these options
before making this decision,
but you didn't.
Because look it, all these guys are a mess.
And if you weighed all these decisions,
then surely you must have thought
how this would affect more than just the four of you.
And I'm looking at you, West,
because you're the manipulator here.
- He also made the first move.
- And, like, you just are not...
thinking through in a bigger picture way,
bird's-eye view.
Like, this affects the future of our friend group.
It affects people's livelihoods, careers.
And today is the day that you just...
thought about that?
It's very short sighted for a fucking hookup.
For a fling.
This entire day has been overshadowed.
- Yeah. - All we want to talk about
is to get clarity.
And you guys came to the table with,
"Well, we have a lot to think about after tonight."
- Okay, all right, I wanna-- I wanna land this plane.
- We'll end-end this. - Because we're gonna get--
We have a hard out at 7:30. - Now, yeah.
I have a lot to think about. - Okay.
- Ten seconds. - All right.
- Five, four, three...
- And we are back.
Boy, is this group at a crossroads.
Kyle, what does moving forward look like for you?
It's clear-- I mean I've been watching you
during the breaks. I know--
I, you know, I've been watching you when Amanda got up.
I mean, it's clear you still love her.
You care for her.
She's like family to you.
How do you, uh-- how do you navigate the future?
- Since the split, I've had to make a big effort
to-to just be at peace
with, like, you know what? No one's gonna--
No one cares about my side, and I'm just--
You know, let's just focus on an amicable breakup,
because God forbid our friends have to choose sides.
The audience has to choose sides.
We-we'd seen friends have bad breakups.
- And neither of us wanted that.
- We've seen what it does to our friends.
And, uh...
It's just like...
I-I don't-- A-Andy, I don't know.
I don't know where we go from here.
I really, like...
I-I know I said on your show, I'd be ha--
Whatever makes Amanda happy, I'd be happy about.
- If you found out that it was true,
would you be upset?
- Uh, it would certainly catch me by surprise
and feel a little reckless,
but if it made Amanda happy,
I think I just would have to vote Yay.
You know, candidly, this was not something
I-I ever thought was gonna be possible.
- Ciara, I know that...
...you've had a lot of hurt
and you've had a lot of anger
around this situation,
and I wonder, do you feel-- was this cathartic
being able to get it all out today?
And do you feel like you can move forward
in your life and-and leave this?
Because, I-I mean, I certainly don't see you--
- No. - ...reconciling with either of these two.
So... - Yeah, I think
in, like, some ways it was cathartic.
It's nice to be able to move on with my life.
So... Yeah.
- Well, Ciara, before we say goodbye,
I want to take a second to highlight
something incredible. You recently helped raise
over $160,000
for Girl Scout Troop 6000.
That is no small thing.
- Yeah. - That is real impact.
And it came about as a result of all this.
And after a summer, fall, winter, spring
full of chaos,
that is something worth celebrating.
So I want to celebrate
with one of Kyle's favorite treats, cookies.
We have Girl Scout cookies...
- Ooh, Thin Mints. - ...coming in.
- I almost opened them on a break.
I'm glad I didn't. - Do we have Thin Mints?
- Yes, I love it.
- Thin Mint, baby. - Oh, my God, this is my favorite.
- Thank you.
- Don't eat it yet. We're cheersing.
- It's ironic because this was probably
the most fun season of "Summer House" to watch.
And it was probably the least fun reunion
we've ever done. - Uh, tenfold.
- Yeah. - Yeah.
- But I hope you all feel like
you were able to get everything off your chest.
And I also just really wanna salute the newbies
because you all were just outstanding to watch
and I really thank you for your openness
and for sharing tonight and for coming.
And, uh, really appreciate it.
- Thanks, Andy.
- All right, for more with "Summer House",
click around bravotv.com.
Thanks, everybody.
Well done. - See ya.
- Well done, Andy Cohen.
- All right.
- Do we need to take a group photo?
- Yes. - All right, everybody,
if you could get tight.
That's perfect.
- Okay, I'm gonna step out.
- Ready?
Ten of these, ready? Ten, nine...
eight, seven, six...
five, four, three...
two, one...
- What did he say?
- That you were the one obsessed with him.
- That's such fucking bullshit.
- This is exactly my fucking point, Amanda.
- I just feel, like, really fucking stupid.
- To be honest, you should feel stupid.
He's gotta go.
- Do you love her?
- Do you want full honesty,
even though it could be possibly hurtful today?
- Yes.
- I do love her, and, like, have
for a very, very long time.
- You owe some type of apology to Meija.
- After the reunion, he texted me.
"You win."
He brought us together far too late.
- I mean... - Far too late.
[laughter]
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