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Hello. This is Baltasar Kormékur,
the director.

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And with me is...

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I'm Shailene Woodley,
and I play Tami in this film.

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So, we're gonna talk you through...

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our experience on this film,

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and hopefully give you some insight
of what we were trying to do.

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We shot this film mostly in Fiji,

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and the film takes place in Tahiti,
in the Pacific Ocean.

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So, we tried to be as authentic
as possible by being there.

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The film starts...

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with one shot and...

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it's a little complicated
to get all these shots.

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And the idea behind this is...

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we are finding Tami...

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in the middle of the ocean,

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left alone.

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And the big questions of the movie is,
how did she get there,

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and how is she going to get out of there?

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Remember when we were shooting this?

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Yeah. This we shot in a tank,
this inner part. And...

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It was actually quite difficult,
'cause the boat was moving on a gimbal,

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and we had to get all in one shot

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in order to stitch it together
with the other shots.

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And trying to move
with an oil-slicked floor.

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I think we shot this about
how many times? Twenty times?

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Quite a few. It was also freezing.

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We were also shooting in New Zealand
in the middle of winter, and...

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because we couldn't have
any steam from the water,

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it had to be almost ice-cold.

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I remember this, what we're about to see,

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this part where I fall, was a real fall.

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- Yeah, not like--
- Not staged, yeah.

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<i>Richard?</i>

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Anyways we had to take out the closest
side of the boat, is taken out,

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so we could actually operate
a crane in there.

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And the idea of why I wanted to, really
I wanted to give you the claustrophobia...

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of being stuck in a boat that you don't
know if it's going to go down or not.

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You have no idea where you are.
You have no idea what's happened.

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And then, as you'll see later,

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it turns into aquaphobia,

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when you realize how quiet it is.

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There was a little bottle there
that passed by,

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champagne bottle that cut her leg.

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It was added in afterwards.

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- Was it?
- Yeah.

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It's funny. As it passed by, I didn't
recall there being any glass

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because of the actual safety hazard that
that would have been.

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Yeah. Yeah, that was not possible, so...

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This was a bit of an issue because

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we had to get her out of her costume
before she went up.

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- Yeah.
-...so it would match.

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- Because this we shot in Fiji.
- Yeah.

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- Right? This part. No, this was actually--
- No, no.

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We shot it on a gimbal in New Zealand.

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Right.

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Shouldn't give that away, but...

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This was quite complicated.

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And it was quite cold there
because the water,

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obviously, was not very warm
in New Zealand...

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during the... What was it?
Winter in New Zealand?

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Yeah, it was the middle of winter.

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In Auckland.

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So, here it is, basically.

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I want to be in her perspective,

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and discover her situation
through her and with her.

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<i>No!</i>

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I love the way that the film starts
because you don't understand anything yet.

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And you're thrusted into it, and then you
have the entire... The rest of the...

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almost two hours to discover the peril
that you experience in that one shot.

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Yeah, and I think, you know...

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It didn't start like this,
the script in the beginning.

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It wasn't until not even the last draft
we didn't have that.

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It was when I shot it,

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and during the shooting I was 100%
sure that that was what we would do.

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You know, that would be the beginning.

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And then just to have more like
questions and answers through stories.

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Now we're going back in time.
And now we're actually in Fiji.

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In Suva.

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In Suva.

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It's just outside of Suva, this little
harbor with a lot of Chinese boats.

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<i>Bonjour.</i>

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- What is your...
- I think, was he Samoan, this actor?

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I forget if he was Samoan
or if he was Fijian.

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But he wasn't Tahitian.

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No, he wasn't Tahitian.
But I went to Tahiti and scouted out,

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and the actor's society was very limited.

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And we tried to get actors from there
was almost impossible.

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I think he's either
a New Zealander or Samoan.

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I don't remember.

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<i>Okay-</i>

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There comes up the name
of Robert Richardson, our friend.

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Yes, the most amazing cinematographer.

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This is shot in a local restaurant,
down in Suva.

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- I love--
- Like a local market.

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A market, yeah.

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A little vegetable market
that had a bunch of stalls.

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Food stalls.

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- Just shot--
- This is our first day of filming.

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- Was it? Yeah, yeah. That's true.
- The very first scene we ever shot.

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<i>Wind, I guess.</i>

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<i>I was a cook on a schooner,</i>

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<i>but when the gig was up,
I didn't really feel like going home, yet.</i>

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<i>Where's home for you?</i>

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<i>San Diego.</i>

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<i>California.</i>

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This is Grace Palmer.

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She's a New Zealand actress.

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<i>Never.</i>

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And she's so fantastic.

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<i>I don't know. Maybe once
I've seen the world.</i>

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This is me.

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- Yeah.
- The next shot is not me.

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The one thing I wish I could do is surf.

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Yeah.

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That's probably pretty much it,

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apart from the one stunt inside the boat,
that is not you in the film.

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I think.

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This is, I think Austral--
Was it New Zealand or Australian?

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I think she's Australian.

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- This is you.
- This is me.

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And that was...
That's a world-famous break.

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The break that she was just surfing.

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I forget the name of it,
but it's where everybody travels,

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why everybody travels to Fiji to surf.

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This is shot in a yacht club in Suva.

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Do you remember the name of it?

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Suva Yacht Club.

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Well, there you go.

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Yeah.

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<i>I'm a Kiwi, I need a translation, please.</i>

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- One <i>who crosses the horizon...
- And there is...</i>

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Sam Claflin...

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as Richard.

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Such a great shot.

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He had some nice backlight there,
sun behind him.

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<i>Thanks.</i>

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<i>Sorry, what was your name?</i>

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<i>- Richard.
- Richard, I'm Deb.</i>

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<i>Hi, Deb.</i>

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<i>This is Tami.</i>

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<i>HeY-</i>

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<i>Tami.</i>

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<i>Thank you.</i>

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<i>Yeah, no problem.</i>

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So, here we see is kind of
the first time they meet and... connect.

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I really like these little moments
between them.

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I do, too. I like that it's understated.

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You can tell it's setting
something up, but...

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Isn't quite...

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Yeah, the challenge here was also to...

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Remember the hotel we shot this in?

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Was it...
Could you even call it a hotel?

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- Yeah, it was something like a--
- What was it?

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Some kind of a, you know, shitty place...

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in Suva.

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This, actually, we moved around a bit.

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You know, it wasn't
originally meant like this.

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But I just felt that...

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it would fit really nicely.

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And I think John Gilbert, the editor,

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came up with the idea
to connect those two pieces together.

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So smart. You can see
in the reflection of the window.

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He added that in the reflection.

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And what is she smoking? I don't know.

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Some Mary Jane.

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So, what was important for me in this part
was try to connect them lightly.

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You know, not...

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This limited time to set this up,
we have to kinda get into it.

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But I just wanted to do it,

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you know, a couple of light touches,
and they're connecting.

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And I loved the idea,
we spoke about this...

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as we were working on the screenplay
together, me and Shailene,

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is that we liked the idea that
she would actually approach him.

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<i>Do you like fish?</i>

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<i>I'm actually a vegetarian.</i>

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<i>- So...
- Right.</i>

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<i>I like them when they're alive.</i>

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<i>I was going to see if you just wanted...</i>

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And if I remember right,
that was actually...

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It was in some way... I mean, she was
pretty forward in the book, I remember.

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You know, when she saw him,
although it was a little differently.

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It was a little different
how that came about.

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<i>That sounds great.</i>

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Yeah, I think there's something to be said
for people who live Vagabond lifestyles,

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and are constantly meeting new people
and traveling, and...

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putting themselves in uncomfortable,
new experiences with other cultures.

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That it's easier to look over
societal taboos about...

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you know, how to talk to someone,
or when you become friends with someone.

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Yeah, and people, actually, in those kinds
of communities will say those things.

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I'm sure all the climbers,
and you know, they...

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People create friends around the world

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that they keep on meeting
each other, you know.

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It's a means for survival,
so you're not alone.

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Yeah. No, but it's...

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They sail together. They don't plan it
but they kind of connect on the way.

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I've seen it. I did research
on documentaries,

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and I think you saw some of them.

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<i>Deep</i> Water, which is
a fantastic one of them.

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I can't remember the name of the one
about the young girl who sailed

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around the world alone at 14.

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Oh, I don't remember either,

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but she was from the Netherlands,
I believe. Right? Holland?

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Yeah, Netherlands. and now lives
in New Zealand. There's a brilliant...

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And partly, the first scene, when you
talked to the...

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The costume guy's kind of inspired
by a scene in that documentary, actually.

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But, you know...
And once he came to Tahiti.

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That was a really remarkable story

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about this 14-year-old girl
who sailed around the world alone, and...

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and he learned a lot about the culture.

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And it's kind of a coming of age
documentary on a boat.

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Yeah, she actually self-filmed.

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Self-filmed it. And yeah, amazing.

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I can't remember the name,
unfortunately, of the documentary.

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<i>I wish.</i>

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<i>If it's not fun...</i>

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<i>then why do you do it?</i>

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<i>It's a feeling...</i>

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I love this scene.
I love how this movie...

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It was really important to us
when we were...

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figuring out how to write it

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and how to find the honesty
and the truth in every moment,

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to witness two people getting to know
one another in a very realistic way.

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I think it's easy sometimes
to lose sight of...

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normalcy and how things
actually occur in real life.

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And this scene reminds me of
a very honest conversation,

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a candid conversation
you would have with someone...

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on a first date or a casual hang.

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<i>Not at all. Actually...</i>

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It felt quite long on the paper,

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but when we did it, and especially
when I looked at it after the shooting,

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I felt it... I needed all of it.

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And I love that...

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The subtly of, you know,
like we saw just before,

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seeing in your eyes how you're starting
to kind of fall for him.

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- Right.
- You know, on a real deep level.

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And when you saw him first.

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And I think that, you know, it's...

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Both of your acting is so subtle and great
that the scene holds up,

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even though it takes a bit of time.

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00:13:59,715 --> 00:14:01,967
- Quite long?
- Yeah, quite long for this kind of...

241
00:14:02,426 --> 00:14:03,511
For the rhythm of the film.

242
00:14:03,969 --> 00:14:07,681
But I think it's essential to give them
time to get to know them,

243
00:14:07,765 --> 00:14:08,766
understand him a little bit,

244
00:14:08,849 --> 00:14:11,143
understand a little bit about why
people sail around the world.

245
00:14:11,227 --> 00:14:12,978
This shot, right here,

246
00:14:13,354 --> 00:14:16,690
was the scariest moment for me filming,
of the entire movie.

247
00:14:17,233 --> 00:14:18,484
That shot was a helicopter shot.

248
00:14:18,567 --> 00:14:22,238
I was actually sailing the boat, and
the marine coordinator was in the cabin,

249
00:14:22,571 --> 00:14:25,407
and I wasn't able to hear what
he was saying and how to direct me.

250
00:14:25,824 --> 00:14:27,284
I could just see Sam at the front of it.

251
00:14:27,368 --> 00:14:29,870
And I was telling myself
not to crash the boat.

252
00:14:29,954 --> 00:14:31,247
Look at how far it's heeling over.

253
00:14:31,664 --> 00:14:33,040
And when the helicopter went by,

254
00:14:33,123 --> 00:14:35,793
the wind from the copter would rush
into the sails and...

255
00:14:36,168 --> 00:14:37,461
tip us over even more.

256
00:14:38,003 --> 00:14:41,257
It was definitely
the scariest movie moment for me.

257
00:14:41,507 --> 00:14:44,093
I remember you shouting, "I don't have--"

258
00:14:44,176 --> 00:14:46,303
-"I can't do this!"
-"I can't control, I can't do this!"

259
00:14:46,387 --> 00:14:49,932
It was probably the only time
you did that, you know.

260
00:14:50,266 --> 00:14:51,517
It was quite scary.

261
00:14:51,809 --> 00:14:56,897
Yeah. And this cut, the cross from the
wide to the close is something that...

262
00:14:57,648 --> 00:14:59,024
we wanted to make those...

263
00:14:59,984 --> 00:15:02,570
going from the nicest
into the most horrific moments.

264
00:15:02,653 --> 00:15:04,947
So, you jolt the audience
a little bit, you know, and...

265
00:15:05,864 --> 00:15:08,284
keep them on their toes
as you're going between the stories.

266
00:15:21,422 --> 00:15:23,716
<i>Mayday, mayday.
This is the sailing Hazana.</i>

267
00:15:26,594 --> 00:15:31,140
All the kind of details about how far
they were and exactly where they...

268
00:15:31,223 --> 00:15:33,559
This is all taken from her logbooks.

269
00:15:34,018 --> 00:15:37,187
So, it's very precise about
where the real Tami,

270
00:15:38,439 --> 00:15:41,900
where she had them put down the marks.

271
00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,328
The boat itself is pretty close...

272
00:15:52,411 --> 00:15:54,788
It's not exactly the same boat
as the real boat,

273
00:15:55,289 --> 00:15:59,084
because they didn't exist.
We couldn't find a version of that boat.

274
00:15:59,418 --> 00:16:00,836
Not in that part of the world.

275
00:16:01,045 --> 00:16:03,756
There were some boats in Europe
that had a similar type.

276
00:16:04,590 --> 00:16:06,842
But we copied pretty accurately.

277
00:16:06,925 --> 00:16:10,429
It's a slightly bigger boat
than the one that we're on in reality.

278
00:16:10,804 --> 00:16:11,722
Right.

279
00:16:16,685 --> 00:16:18,812
And all of this, the puking, the...

280
00:16:19,063 --> 00:16:23,233
This is all taken directly from her book
and the experience that she detailed...

281
00:16:24,318 --> 00:16:25,986
when she came to.

282
00:16:27,696 --> 00:16:30,908
Yeah. And she found out, actually,
after she came to land...

283
00:16:30,991 --> 00:16:33,535
Maybe a spoiler, but I guess
most people have seen the film,

284
00:16:33,952 --> 00:16:36,288
watching the commentary--

285
00:16:36,622 --> 00:16:37,956
- Hopefully.
- Hopefully.

286
00:16:38,415 --> 00:16:41,835
That she actually was out for,
I think, 27 hours.

287
00:16:41,919 --> 00:16:42,878
She didn't realize that.

288
00:16:42,961 --> 00:16:46,632
She didn't know she was out
for 27 hours until she got to land,

289
00:16:46,715 --> 00:16:51,011
and they were able to cross-reference
when the hurricane passed through,

290
00:16:51,261 --> 00:16:53,347
and how many days it took her
to get to Hawaii.

291
00:16:53,430 --> 00:16:54,848
Yeah. So, there was a day missing,

292
00:16:54,932 --> 00:16:57,309
and realized instead of
having been out for three hours,

293
00:16:57,393 --> 00:16:58,602
what she thought she had been,

294
00:16:58,686 --> 00:17:01,772
she was actually out for... 27.

295
00:17:08,987 --> 00:17:10,030
<i>Where are you taking me?</i>

296
00:17:12,991 --> 00:17:14,368
This was an amazing day.

297
00:17:14,827 --> 00:17:18,080
The crew and some locals carved out
that path, right? That didn't exist?

298
00:17:18,163 --> 00:17:20,457
No, that path is shot in
a totally different place.

299
00:17:20,541 --> 00:17:23,794
So, it connected with this.
No, that path existed.

300
00:17:23,877 --> 00:17:24,753
It did exist?

301
00:17:24,837 --> 00:17:27,297
It's a way up, but it's
a very different spot from this, so...

302
00:17:27,756 --> 00:17:32,094
So, you were there for sure.
It's just probably confusing.

303
00:17:32,177 --> 00:17:35,305
But it was on the island where
we shot a lot of the...

304
00:17:36,056 --> 00:17:38,475
Yeah, Yanuca? Yanuca Island, I think.

305
00:17:38,559 --> 00:17:42,020
Yeah, but this location
was not easy to get to.

306
00:17:42,104 --> 00:17:43,897
We had to raft down this river.

307
00:17:43,981 --> 00:17:46,442
As you see, there's no other way
to get to this location.

308
00:17:46,525 --> 00:17:48,819
The whole crew had to hike
for about 25 minutes.

309
00:17:49,111 --> 00:17:51,029
- Hard hats and life vests.
- And now you see...

310
00:17:51,113 --> 00:17:55,576
that DP is jumping with him,
with the camera, boom.

311
00:17:55,659 --> 00:17:57,119
Such a sick shot.

312
00:17:57,953 --> 00:18:00,038
Here we have another one shot, you know.

313
00:18:00,873 --> 00:18:03,000
So, we wanted to kind of just...

314
00:18:04,042 --> 00:18:07,921
experience through the camera floating
with him and jumping, and...

315
00:18:08,422 --> 00:18:10,174
almost like you were
with him in the water.

316
00:18:10,758 --> 00:18:11,884
Such a cool shot.

317
00:18:17,306 --> 00:18:20,100
I really like this little joke, you know?

318
00:18:20,726 --> 00:18:23,103
I love, too, it had just rained
that morning.

319
00:18:23,187 --> 00:18:25,939
And so the river was quite muddy
instead of being crystal clear.

320
00:18:26,023 --> 00:18:29,902
But I do love that it juxtaposes
all of the shots we have in the ocean.

321
00:18:30,152 --> 00:18:34,198
Cause rivers do tend to be a little bit
more murky than the open sea.

322
00:18:34,281 --> 00:18:36,450
Yeah. And it has this green kind of color,

323
00:18:36,533 --> 00:18:38,494
which is very different from
all the underwater stuff...

324
00:18:38,577 --> 00:18:40,245
- All the blue.
-...and blue in the sea.

325
00:18:41,747 --> 00:18:42,664
Love this song.

326
00:18:42,748 --> 00:18:47,169
Yeah, this is a beautiful song
written by Tom Waits.

327
00:18:48,045 --> 00:18:50,297
And we have two songs
by Tom Waits in the movie.

328
00:18:50,589 --> 00:18:52,466
One is later, and he sings that himself.

329
00:18:53,467 --> 00:18:57,346
For some reason, he is not
a fan of his own singing in this.

330
00:18:57,429 --> 00:19:01,308
So, he did allow us to use the song,
but not his recording.

331
00:19:02,309 --> 00:19:05,521
So, this is Emiliana Torrini
who sings this.

332
00:19:05,604 --> 00:19:07,397
This actually came about funny.

333
00:19:07,481 --> 00:19:11,318
John Gilbert was looking for
some other version for me,

334
00:19:11,401 --> 00:19:12,945
and he came up with a couple.

335
00:19:13,028 --> 00:19:14,571
One of them was Emiliana.

336
00:19:15,239 --> 00:19:17,950
I asked him, "So who do you like best?"
And he said, "Emiliana, probably."

337
00:19:18,033 --> 00:19:20,953
I said, "I actually discovered Emiliana
when she was 16 years old."

338
00:19:21,411 --> 00:19:22,454
- What?
- In Iceland, yeah.

339
00:19:22,830 --> 00:19:24,289
- She's Icelandic?
- She's Icelandic.

340
00:19:24,373 --> 00:19:27,000
Now, he didn't know that.
She's half-Italian, half-Icelandic.

341
00:19:27,417 --> 00:19:29,545
- How funny.
- I was doing a production of Hair.

342
00:19:29,753 --> 00:19:31,213
- Yeah?
- And she was 16.

343
00:19:31,296 --> 00:19:34,299
And she was so incredibly
wonderful then, you know.

344
00:19:34,716 --> 00:19:35,676
What a fun story.

345
00:19:35,759 --> 00:19:38,512
And then she, you know, went on
to be quite a well-known singer.

346
00:19:39,179 --> 00:19:42,099
<i>And she, you know, she had the song
'm The Lord of the Rings.</i>

347
00:19:42,516 --> 00:19:45,269
- How random.
- It was, totally. And so, I called her,

348
00:19:45,519 --> 00:19:49,147
because it was
a little bit time sensitive.

349
00:19:50,190 --> 00:19:55,487
And got her into the studio in two days,
and she was ready to record it again.

350
00:19:55,571 --> 00:19:57,990
- So she re-recorded it for the film?
- Yeah, yeah.

351
00:19:58,323 --> 00:19:59,157
Wow.

352
00:19:59,408 --> 00:20:02,452
So, there's a little bit of
Icelandic stuff down there.

353
00:20:02,536 --> 00:20:03,453
You know?

354
00:20:03,662 --> 00:20:07,249
And the other Icelandic element
is Heimir Sverrisson.

355
00:20:07,332 --> 00:20:10,502
He's the guy who did the set.
He's the production designer.

356
00:20:10,878 --> 00:20:12,504
- And then--
- And Dadi, right?

357
00:20:12,588 --> 00:20:15,340
And Dadi, the visual effects
supervisor, yeah.

358
00:20:23,181 --> 00:20:24,308
<i>The dinghy.</i>

359
00:20:32,232 --> 00:20:33,233
<i>Oh, my God.</i>

360
00:20:35,903 --> 00:20:36,904
<i>Richard!</i>

361
00:20:42,993 --> 00:20:45,287
So, the engine, obviously, is not working.

362
00:20:49,416 --> 00:20:50,250
<i>Damn it.</i>

363
00:20:50,334 --> 00:20:52,210
And neither is the rudder.

364
00:20:53,545 --> 00:20:56,340
This is going to come into play later,
why the rudder isn't working.

365
00:20:59,843 --> 00:21:01,637
We did quite a lot of underwater shooting.

366
00:21:01,845 --> 00:21:03,180
And we had a great underwater...

367
00:21:03,388 --> 00:21:05,724
- An Australian cinematographer, right?
- An Australian named Salmon.

368
00:21:05,807 --> 00:21:07,100
- Salmon.
- Yeah.

369
00:21:07,893 --> 00:21:10,187
He was... We had him
the whole time in the water.

370
00:21:10,270 --> 00:21:14,066
And a lot of these shots are,
like this one is shot, from...

371
00:21:14,566 --> 00:21:17,486
And I like this kind of connection
with the water, constantly.

372
00:21:17,778 --> 00:21:21,114
Yeah, the water is a character as much as
anyone else is in this movie.

373
00:21:26,620 --> 00:21:29,748
Well, one of the reasons why
this was an important...

374
00:21:29,831 --> 00:21:32,584
She's trying to pull the sails in
and gets stuck under them, and...

375
00:21:33,043 --> 00:21:36,630
is also to give people
this sense of how...

376
00:21:37,923 --> 00:21:40,968
vulnerable and how helpless you are
if you lose the boat.

377
00:21:41,051 --> 00:21:43,845
And it drifts pretty fast,
and it's really hard to get,

378
00:21:43,929 --> 00:21:45,973
-get to the boat.
- The current just takes it away.

379
00:21:46,682 --> 00:21:48,850
And so people kinda get the sense why...

380
00:21:49,810 --> 00:21:53,647
she can't really leave the boat or get off
it that easily without robbing herself.

381
00:21:55,857 --> 00:21:58,735
But Shailene, as we didn't know, turned
out to be a great swimmer,

382
00:21:58,819 --> 00:22:00,237
so she could do all this, you know.

383
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,907
It worked out well.
I love swimming, love the ocean.

384
00:22:04,449 --> 00:22:08,495
And we didn't really talk about it,
but this water is full of sharks.

385
00:22:08,578 --> 00:22:10,998
Lots of them. And sea snakes,
it turns out.

386
00:22:11,081 --> 00:22:12,290
And sea snakes, deadly sea snakes.

387
00:22:12,374 --> 00:22:15,669
I had no idea that there are snakes in the
ocean until doing this movie.

388
00:22:16,712 --> 00:22:17,838
Yeah, they kind of slide.

389
00:22:18,338 --> 00:22:20,632
They are not likely to bite you.

390
00:22:20,716 --> 00:22:23,593
They are, if they can get you between the
fingers or the bits of the toes,

391
00:22:23,677 --> 00:22:24,720
they can kill you.

392
00:22:25,554 --> 00:22:27,014
But only in those locations?

393
00:22:28,056 --> 00:22:30,767
Yeah. I mean, there was one
in Suva, you know.

394
00:22:30,851 --> 00:22:35,230
One girl picked it up, even, on the tail
and everyone freaked out.

395
00:22:35,522 --> 00:22:36,356
I don't remember that.

396
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,066
There's quite a few of them, you know.

397
00:22:38,358 --> 00:22:41,486
Me and Bob, we jumped around like girls
when we saw one when we were scouting,

398
00:22:41,570 --> 00:22:43,989
because it came towards us,
we were like, "Ah!"

399
00:22:44,614 --> 00:22:47,284
It was very, you know...
It wasn't a very heroic moment for us.

400
00:22:47,367 --> 00:22:50,120
You don't expect a snake to come
popping out of the ocean.

401
00:22:50,454 --> 00:22:52,122
Nope, but they do.

402
00:22:52,205 --> 00:22:54,166
And Fiji doesn't actually have
snakes on land.

403
00:22:55,584 --> 00:22:58,295
No, there's almost nothing there.

404
00:22:58,378 --> 00:23:00,797
Yeah, nothing that can kill you, on land.

405
00:23:02,215 --> 00:23:03,341
Just the ocean.

406
00:23:06,845 --> 00:23:08,096
<i>Looking good, mama.</i>

407
00:23:16,063 --> 00:23:18,190
And this is all based on
Tami's experience.

408
00:23:19,357 --> 00:23:24,071
What I think is so great about this film
is it'd be easy to embellish things,

409
00:23:24,154 --> 00:23:27,783
and make it seem more difficult
than it actually was, or whatnot.

410
00:23:27,866 --> 00:23:30,118
But she got very lucky.

411
00:23:30,202 --> 00:23:33,747
There was an extra jib.
There was the bilge pipe, or pump.

412
00:23:33,830 --> 00:23:37,375
All of the things that
she needed to survive

413
00:23:37,459 --> 00:23:39,711
the Hazana still had post-hurricane.

414
00:23:44,049 --> 00:23:46,426
Yeah, and we did search through the book,

415
00:23:46,510 --> 00:23:49,179
even though we had a script done
and worked on it,

416
00:23:49,262 --> 00:23:51,014
you know, to detail every...

417
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,059
Kind of find out every detail
of what she did and how she did it,

418
00:23:54,142 --> 00:23:55,310
so it would be as correct.

419
00:23:55,393 --> 00:24:01,066
And even to this, how she built
this make-shift sail she's doing now,

420
00:24:01,149 --> 00:24:03,318
I think it's incredible
what she managed to do.

421
00:24:04,319 --> 00:24:07,781
The real Tami who was at hand,
you know, was very helpful.

422
00:24:07,864 --> 00:24:10,575
And she sent me a little drawing of this,

423
00:24:11,243 --> 00:24:14,996
how she did it, because I couldn't really
figure it out from the book, you know.

424
00:24:15,914 --> 00:24:17,124
You know, how she really did it.

425
00:24:18,542 --> 00:24:19,376
So clever.

426
00:24:19,835 --> 00:24:20,710
Yeah.

427
00:24:22,379 --> 00:24:24,172
And then Shailene got so good at it,

428
00:24:24,256 --> 00:24:26,091
I had to keep going,
"No, no. Don't be so good at it."

429
00:24:27,342 --> 00:24:29,219
-"Make it harder."
- Make it a little harder.

430
00:24:29,302 --> 00:24:31,763
And this is a big moment for her,

431
00:24:31,847 --> 00:24:35,892
when she finally gets the sail up
and gets the boat moving.

432
00:24:39,646 --> 00:24:40,480
<i>Come on, baby!</i>

433
00:24:40,564 --> 00:24:43,108
But, as we find out later,
there's something stuck in the rudder.

434
00:24:43,191 --> 00:24:45,318
It's getting really difficult.

435
00:24:47,779 --> 00:24:50,866
And there was a bit of a challenge
finding the right places

436
00:24:50,949 --> 00:24:52,409
for these flashbacks, like this one.

437
00:24:53,410 --> 00:24:56,621
Because the stories
have to move along together, and

438
00:24:56,955 --> 00:25:01,459
there are different ways, and
I ended up after trying different things,

439
00:25:01,543 --> 00:25:03,420
to put this scene there.

440
00:25:05,255 --> 00:25:09,968
Because I think when we stayed too long in
one part of the storytelling,

441
00:25:10,177 --> 00:25:11,553
like in the past and the present,

442
00:25:12,137 --> 00:25:14,181
you kind of forget the other part of it.

443
00:25:14,264 --> 00:25:15,849
So, you have to constantly,

444
00:25:16,224 --> 00:25:19,644
even though you're at the point
where we are in the present story,

445
00:25:20,020 --> 00:25:22,189
so much is happening you kind of
want to stay there,

446
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,817
but it will punish you later
if you don't keep on...

447
00:25:26,484 --> 00:25:28,111
- Going back and forth?
- Going back and forth.

448
00:25:28,195 --> 00:25:30,572
You know, there has to be
a certain rhythm going on with that.

449
00:25:32,073 --> 00:25:35,785
This was a beautiful day.
This was actually out by an island.

450
00:25:36,745 --> 00:25:37,871
What was it called? "Yanuca"?

451
00:25:37,954 --> 00:25:42,500
"Yanutha." Spelled like Yanuca,
but "c" in Fijian is pronounced like "th."

452
00:25:43,210 --> 00:25:45,503
- My Fijian isn't as good as yours.
- Yanuca.

453
00:25:45,587 --> 00:25:46,421
Yanuca.

454
00:25:47,589 --> 00:25:48,423
<i>Bula.</i>

455
00:25:50,175 --> 00:25:52,761
That dress he has given her
is actually based on

456
00:25:52,844 --> 00:25:55,222
as close as we could get to
the real dress he gave her,

457
00:25:56,181 --> 00:25:57,224
she mentions in the book.

458
00:26:04,981 --> 00:26:08,193
Here she's finding out that the water
is not working. Another trouble.

459
00:26:25,168 --> 00:26:27,087
In real life, Tami, she...

460
00:26:28,004 --> 00:26:30,382
did have a gash in her head,
and her cut-up leg,

461
00:26:30,465 --> 00:26:31,925
and bruises and cuts everywhere, but...

462
00:26:32,634 --> 00:26:36,346
she describes it, it took about
two days for the pain to hit her.

463
00:26:36,638 --> 00:26:39,933
Because she had so much adrenaline,
so much shock running through her body,

464
00:26:40,517 --> 00:26:43,353
that she didn't really notice
any of the pain.

465
00:26:44,688 --> 00:26:46,273
She was in full-focus mode.

466
00:26:47,190 --> 00:26:50,318
Yeah, and I think that's what happens to
people when their adrenaline is so high.

467
00:26:50,402 --> 00:26:51,653
They don't even feel the pain.

468
00:26:51,736 --> 00:26:53,863
So, when that starts to go away,

469
00:26:54,781 --> 00:26:55,907
you know, they realize.

470
00:26:56,449 --> 00:26:57,993
Sometimes when people watch that, they go,

471
00:26:58,076 --> 00:26:59,828
"Why wouldn't she fix
her head right away?"

472
00:26:59,911 --> 00:27:02,747
No, there are other more important things
to do at the moment.

473
00:27:02,831 --> 00:27:06,501
This was beautiful,
shooting this... in the sunset.

474
00:27:14,175 --> 00:27:16,136
- This is a very wavy day.
- Yeah.

475
00:27:16,219 --> 00:27:17,804
- Very wavy.
- The swells were quite big.

476
00:27:17,887 --> 00:27:20,515
Yeah, it was actually
very hard to control...

477
00:27:21,057 --> 00:27:23,643
the distance of the boat,
and keeping them both in the frame.

478
00:27:23,727 --> 00:27:25,645
Because we had the third boat
we were shooting off.

479
00:27:25,729 --> 00:27:30,442
And this is much more complicated
than people realize, to control that.

480
00:27:31,318 --> 00:27:32,986
And now we are in the water with her.

481
00:27:34,946 --> 00:27:35,989
I mean, look at those waves.

482
00:27:36,072 --> 00:27:37,866
There's white caps
in the middle of the ocean.

483
00:27:45,623 --> 00:27:48,251
And then she needs to swim back with him.

484
00:27:49,461 --> 00:27:51,129
This was another ordeal to get through.

485
00:27:51,671 --> 00:27:53,757
Until you figured out to use the rope.

486
00:27:54,549 --> 00:27:55,383
- Yeah.
- You really--

487
00:27:55,467 --> 00:27:57,552
That was actually Sam's suggestion.

488
00:27:58,178 --> 00:28:01,681
But because the boat kept on
drifting away from her,

489
00:28:02,223 --> 00:28:06,227
that she has a rope around her that she
can actually use to pull herself in on.

490
00:28:06,770 --> 00:28:08,021
But only with one hand.

491
00:28:09,981 --> 00:28:12,817
I remember doing this take and not being
able to swim.

492
00:28:12,901 --> 00:28:14,361
It was so hard because,

493
00:28:15,153 --> 00:28:17,238
you know, obviously I'm carrying
all of Sam's weight,

494
00:28:17,697 --> 00:28:20,658
and for an entire take
I was dragging him under the water,

495
00:28:21,201 --> 00:28:22,827
to keep myself afloat and didn't notice,

496
00:28:22,911 --> 00:28:25,288
until he finally had to pop up
like a minute later...

497
00:28:25,789 --> 00:28:27,624
- He was drowning.
-...because he couldn't breathe.

498
00:28:28,124 --> 00:28:30,460
Yeah. But I really also like...

499
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:35,298
I love shooting stuff like this
because the struggle is real.

500
00:28:35,548 --> 00:28:40,136
And you can feel this is all shot...
You'd never get this in a tank.

501
00:28:40,220 --> 00:28:41,429
You know, and...

502
00:28:41,679 --> 00:28:44,474
I mean, I don't know, 10 times
or 14 times you did this,

503
00:28:44,891 --> 00:28:47,685
and it shows the struggle,
and it shows, you know...

504
00:28:48,353 --> 00:28:50,897
And I think that really pays off.

505
00:28:53,024 --> 00:28:55,026
One of the things that's really hard
is to get people...

506
00:28:55,235 --> 00:29:00,698
You know, this is something we kind of
created a way to get him on the boat.

507
00:29:01,366 --> 00:29:04,869
Because it's one thing to get yourself,
haul yourself up there,

508
00:29:04,953 --> 00:29:06,871
but another is to get him.

509
00:29:07,247 --> 00:29:10,500
I would love...
Jane is a fantastic makeup artist.

510
00:29:10,583 --> 00:29:11,418
Yes.

511
00:29:11,668 --> 00:29:14,129
And she's English,
but lives in New Zealand.

512
00:29:14,879 --> 00:29:17,090
And I think she did
a fantastic job, you know.

513
00:29:17,382 --> 00:29:18,842
- What do you call it? A gash?
- Yeah.

514
00:29:19,134 --> 00:29:19,968
Gash.

515
00:29:20,510 --> 00:29:22,345
And you know, the big cut on the legs.

516
00:29:22,429 --> 00:29:25,515
There was someone else who came in
with that. Remember who that was?

517
00:29:25,598 --> 00:29:27,600
Who did that special...

518
00:29:28,017 --> 00:29:30,562
I don't remember his name.

519
00:29:30,895 --> 00:29:33,398
But, you know, it's one thing
to have prosthetics,

520
00:29:33,731 --> 00:29:34,858
in real life, but,

521
00:29:35,108 --> 00:29:38,153
prosthetics with salt water
and sweat and sun

522
00:29:38,236 --> 00:29:40,572
is difficult to maintain
and they did a fantastic job.

523
00:29:43,074 --> 00:29:46,911
<i>Okay, tell me. Do you know
what flower that is?</i>

524
00:29:47,787 --> 00:29:49,038
<i>It's a plumeria, right?</i>

525
00:29:49,789 --> 00:29:50,874
<i>It's a frangipani.</i>

526
00:29:51,541 --> 00:29:53,168
<i>- A what?
- A frangipani.</i>

527
00:29:53,460 --> 00:29:54,586
<i>- A frangipani?
- Yeah.</i>

528
00:29:55,003 --> 00:29:56,212
<i>One sec.</i>

529
00:29:56,296 --> 00:30:00,425
This was funny, because I,
having lived in Hawaii many years,

530
00:30:00,884 --> 00:30:02,719
we called these flowers plumerias.

531
00:30:02,969 --> 00:30:06,014
And in most parts of the world
they are referred to as frangipani,

532
00:30:07,557 --> 00:30:10,852
-which we got a big hoot out of.
- Yeah, I think so.

533
00:30:12,645 --> 00:30:16,524
<i>And one day, when it can open,
it can change color.</i>

534
00:30:16,608 --> 00:30:20,487
And there he brings up his mother,
which I really like.

535
00:30:20,695 --> 00:30:22,530
There's a couple of times in the script
that he does that.

536
00:30:22,614 --> 00:30:24,407
So, he's kind of a mommy's boy a bit.

537
00:30:24,616 --> 00:30:29,120
You know? And we learn later
about... the reality of that.

538
00:30:30,163 --> 00:30:32,916
In this scene, he's seems more
kind of raw.

539
00:30:32,999 --> 00:30:36,503
You know, this is just to mask
the smell of the burning trash.

540
00:30:36,586 --> 00:30:38,963
And he's talking about...
He's being romantic.

541
00:30:39,047 --> 00:30:41,799
So, I kind of like the difference of them.

542
00:30:43,718 --> 00:30:46,596
And he's talking about that if you put it
on the left side you're in a relationship,

543
00:30:46,679 --> 00:30:48,723
if you put it on the right side,
you're available.

544
00:30:49,140 --> 00:30:49,974
- Yeah.
- So...

545
00:30:50,642 --> 00:30:52,602
This is a good sign, you know?

546
00:30:53,645 --> 00:30:56,314
- Check out which side the flower is on.
- Yeah.

547
00:30:56,397 --> 00:30:58,358
- Test the waters.
- Test the waters.

548
00:30:58,441 --> 00:31:00,360
- I don't guarantee, though.
- Yeah.

549
00:31:00,443 --> 00:31:02,946
But that's what we were told.

550
00:31:03,363 --> 00:31:04,906
<i>How was it? Sweet?</i>

551
00:31:05,281 --> 00:31:06,366
<i>Your sixteenth?</i>

552
00:31:06,741 --> 00:31:09,327
<i>No, my mom took me to my first bar.</i>

553
00:31:09,577 --> 00:31:12,205
<i>I had like 10 shots of Midori.</i>

554
00:31:12,288 --> 00:31:15,333
<i>And, yeah. Worst hangover of my life.</i>

555
00:31:15,583 --> 00:31:18,127
<i>- Hands down.
- So, your mom's a wild one.</i>

556
00:31:19,087 --> 00:31:20,296
<i>One of those young at heart types?</i>

557
00:31:20,755 --> 00:31:24,175
<i>She's just young, period. She was 31.</i>

558
00:31:24,634 --> 00:31:27,512
What we learn here about Tami
is background on her mother.

559
00:31:27,595 --> 00:31:30,265
That she had a really,
really young mother.

560
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,767
You know, she was 15 years old
when she had her.

561
00:31:33,643 --> 00:31:34,477
Yeah.

562
00:31:36,646 --> 00:31:37,981
She's saying maybe I don't have to.

563
00:31:39,482 --> 00:31:42,026
But it's, for me,
it's important background.

564
00:31:42,777 --> 00:31:45,655
It's a family that isn't...
You know, her father wasn't around much.

565
00:31:45,738 --> 00:31:48,533
And she was brought up
by the parents of her father.

566
00:31:48,616 --> 00:31:50,076
Yeah, her grandparents.

567
00:31:50,159 --> 00:31:53,288
And she left home pretty early.

568
00:31:54,122 --> 00:31:56,499
And was a bit wild back in Mexico.

569
00:31:56,583 --> 00:31:58,585
And lived her life there, and...

570
00:31:58,793 --> 00:32:01,879
Yeah, she hopped in a VW van,
at 18, I believe.

571
00:32:02,338 --> 00:32:04,757
And hopped the border,
and started a salsa company,

572
00:32:05,133 --> 00:32:07,677
so her and her friend could surf all day
and still make money.

573
00:32:07,969 --> 00:32:11,598
I think, actually, that friend of hers
possibly came to see the film with her.

574
00:32:11,681 --> 00:32:13,683
- Yeah.
- Watched the film for the first time.

575
00:32:13,766 --> 00:32:15,143
- It was very sweet.
- That's so special.

576
00:32:15,226 --> 00:32:17,103
<i>- Yeah.
-...salsa company and surfing...</i>

577
00:32:17,186 --> 00:32:20,273
And it wasn't that, I don't think...

578
00:32:20,356 --> 00:32:22,775
At least, my conversation with him,
it wasn't that...

579
00:32:23,526 --> 00:32:26,321
there was... She was angry at her family,
or anything like that.

580
00:32:26,863 --> 00:32:29,741
But I'm sure when you have that kind of
background, you know, you might...

581
00:32:31,075 --> 00:32:32,285
you know, be...

582
00:32:32,368 --> 00:32:35,413
She's wandering around,
trying to make sense of it all.

583
00:32:35,747 --> 00:32:36,706
Right.

584
00:32:37,874 --> 00:32:38,708
- Can <i>I say no?
- Yes.</i>

585
00:32:38,791 --> 00:32:40,335
<i>- No, no.
- Yes.</i>

586
00:32:41,586 --> 00:32:45,214
And the backstory of him is,
he lost his mother very young.

587
00:32:46,424 --> 00:32:51,471
And apparently, had a kind of
difficult relationship with his father.

588
00:32:52,096 --> 00:32:54,015
So, he came from the UK army.

589
00:32:55,725 --> 00:32:59,228
But we had to go by
with what we were told, and...

590
00:33:01,147 --> 00:33:02,607
And there were some friends of his,

591
00:33:02,690 --> 00:33:04,901
the Kandells, who wrote
the original script,

592
00:33:05,401 --> 00:33:08,279
did some research with
the friends he worked with...

593
00:33:08,988 --> 00:33:10,615
in South Africa, when
he was building the boat.

594
00:33:10,698 --> 00:33:13,743
Got a lot of information
about his character from that.

595
00:33:25,171 --> 00:33:26,005
<i>Hey, Tami.</i>

596
00:33:26,381 --> 00:33:27,215
<i>Yeah?</i>

597
00:33:30,343 --> 00:33:31,928
<i>Will you sail around the world with me?</i>

598
00:33:34,597 --> 00:33:35,807
How could she say no to that?

599
00:33:36,933 --> 00:33:37,850
You can't.

600
00:33:41,729 --> 00:33:44,524
This song they are playing
is from O/feu Negro.

601
00:33:44,899 --> 00:33:47,110
I've heard it so many times
since filming this movie,

602
00:33:47,193 --> 00:33:49,028
and every time
I just think of you and Sam.

603
00:33:49,237 --> 00:33:50,738
It puts a big smile in my heart.

604
00:33:51,030 --> 00:33:54,701
Yeah. It's a song that I used, actually,
in an Icelandic play that I did.

605
00:33:54,951 --> 00:33:57,245
One of my first plays at the National
Theater of Iceland.

606
00:33:57,328 --> 00:33:58,454
An Icelandic version of it.

607
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,207
And I always kept it very close.

608
00:34:01,290 --> 00:34:03,084
This is a French version of the song.

609
00:34:04,210 --> 00:34:05,211
For French Tahiti?

610
00:34:05,294 --> 00:34:06,838
- Because it's--
- French Polynesia.

611
00:34:06,921 --> 00:34:10,967
Yeah, French Polynesia.
But the original version is in Portuguese,

612
00:34:11,050 --> 00:34:13,678
in this wonderful film called Orfeu Negro.

613
00:34:15,096 --> 00:34:18,182
And the other songs
in that scene were Tahitian songs.

614
00:34:20,351 --> 00:34:21,352
<i>Put your arm around me.</i>

615
00:34:21,853 --> 00:34:24,272
<i>Ready? One, two, three.</i>

616
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:25,398
<i>Lift!</i>

617
00:34:26,733 --> 00:34:29,026
God, Sam is so good at portraying pain.

618
00:34:29,819 --> 00:34:34,490
I think it's so hard for an actor
to accurately portray pain

619
00:34:34,574 --> 00:34:36,701
without overacting or looking...

620
00:34:37,076 --> 00:34:38,035
He does a great job.

621
00:34:38,119 --> 00:34:39,454
He does such a good job.

622
00:34:46,043 --> 00:34:48,171
<i>What about Fatu Hiva?
We could sail there first.</i>

623
00:34:48,254 --> 00:34:51,174
This is shot in the market in Suva,
in the real market, you know.

624
00:34:51,382 --> 00:34:54,469
And it was actually open
while we were shooting it.

625
00:34:54,552 --> 00:34:56,971
So, we had to try to control
the people around us.

626
00:34:57,054 --> 00:35:00,475
And the rest of the people are
just doing their thing, you know?

627
00:35:00,892 --> 00:35:04,061
And it was also because in Fiji,
they don't speak French.

628
00:35:04,145 --> 00:35:05,855
- Yeah
- Like they do in Tahiti, so...

629
00:35:06,689 --> 00:35:08,024
Redressing the market...

630
00:35:08,441 --> 00:35:11,527
- Yeah, we had to redress, you know...
- With a bunch of French words.

631
00:35:12,111 --> 00:35:16,365
And also, you know, the Tahitian are
a little lighter skinned than the Fijian.

632
00:35:16,449 --> 00:35:18,159
So, we tried also to kind of address that.

633
00:35:18,618 --> 00:35:20,620
And there's a slight difference, you know.

634
00:35:20,703 --> 00:35:21,621
- Really?
- Yeah.

635
00:35:22,038 --> 00:35:23,080
<i>We gotta go.</i>

636
00:35:23,164 --> 00:35:24,582
<i>How long would it take to sail there?</i>

637
00:35:24,791 --> 00:35:25,917
<i>Forever. It doesn't matter.</i>

638
00:35:28,711 --> 00:35:31,339
<i>- God, I just wanna go everywhere with you.
- And everywhere we will go.</i>

639
00:35:31,422 --> 00:35:32,423
<i>Richard!</i>

640
00:35:33,174 --> 00:35:34,509
<i>- Richard!
- Richard.</i>

641
00:35:36,636 --> 00:35:37,470
<i>What?</i>

642
00:35:37,929 --> 00:35:38,930
<i>Tally-ho!</i>

643
00:35:39,889 --> 00:35:41,224
<i>Where the hell have you...</i>

644
00:35:41,307 --> 00:35:45,102
I actually really like how they stay on
you guys while they're coming.

645
00:35:45,186 --> 00:35:48,105
We shot it differently, too,
but I chose to stay on them.

646
00:35:48,397 --> 00:35:49,899
So, you're waiting for them to--

647
00:35:50,358 --> 00:35:51,192
To know who they are.

648
00:35:51,275 --> 00:35:54,904
To know who they are, until they come into
the frame, instead of seeing them.

649
00:35:54,987 --> 00:35:57,907
You know, going out, this is again,
staying in their perspective.

650
00:35:58,241 --> 00:36:00,159
Staying in your perspective, especially.

651
00:36:00,243 --> 00:36:01,577
To get their experience, yeah.

652
00:36:02,328 --> 00:36:04,330
<i>I'm glad we ran into you,
Richard, because...</i>

653
00:36:04,789 --> 00:36:06,374
<i>well, there's something
we'd like to talk to you about.</i>

654
00:36:06,457 --> 00:36:10,795
These are wonderful actors
from New Zealand,

655
00:36:11,754 --> 00:36:13,297
Elizabeth and Jeffrey.

656
00:36:13,548 --> 00:36:15,258
<i>I don't know if you'd be keen, but...</i>

657
00:36:16,133 --> 00:36:19,303
<i>how'd you like to sail the Hazana
back to California for us?</i>

658
00:36:22,348 --> 00:36:25,309
<i>We can pay $10,000,
plus a first-class ticket return.</i>

659
00:36:27,728 --> 00:36:28,563
<i>Seriously?</i>

660
00:36:28,646 --> 00:36:29,480
<i>You're...</i>

661
00:36:30,481 --> 00:36:32,441
<i>- You're joking, right?
- No, mate.</i>

662
00:36:33,317 --> 00:36:34,277
<i>What do you say?</i>

663
00:36:34,527 --> 00:36:37,738
And I thought, after talking to Tami,
and also reading,

664
00:36:37,822 --> 00:36:41,284
it wasn't quite clear in the book, but I
asked her specifically about this.

665
00:36:41,826 --> 00:36:46,122
That the whole thing about her father
being sick wasn't such a big issue,

666
00:36:46,372 --> 00:36:48,875
as it was just people of that age
who have boats,

667
00:36:49,584 --> 00:36:53,296
don't love to sail them across the ocean,
which I understand very well.

668
00:36:53,379 --> 00:36:54,380
- Yeah
- But...

669
00:36:54,589 --> 00:36:55,965
So, they get young people, you know,

670
00:36:56,465 --> 00:37:00,094
ready to take it on as a job to sail
the boat back home,

671
00:37:00,177 --> 00:37:03,639
as they will stay maybe through the summer
or a couple of months,

672
00:37:04,015 --> 00:37:05,600
sailing around those wonderful islands.

673
00:37:06,267 --> 00:37:09,437
<i>- We were hoping to get out no later...
- The easy</i> part <i>of sailing.</i>

674
00:37:10,354 --> 00:37:14,609
And I really this here, because this is
the first time we see a little bit of a,

675
00:37:14,692 --> 00:37:18,154
in their relationship, something
and it's not quite right.

676
00:37:18,362 --> 00:37:19,697
- A little dissent.
- Yeah.

677
00:37:20,072 --> 00:37:24,452
And we discussed this quite a lot,
to find the right tone.

678
00:37:24,827 --> 00:37:28,331
Because it's easy that she comes off
bitchy, or you know,

679
00:37:28,414 --> 00:37:30,458
ungrateful in some way,
you know, if she's...

680
00:37:31,083 --> 00:37:34,503
But I really love the idea
that it ended up being,

681
00:37:35,796 --> 00:37:40,468
which is more about that he doesn't want
to take her for granted, you know?

682
00:37:40,551 --> 00:37:43,179
'Cause she's not tacking onto
his adventure.

683
00:37:43,262 --> 00:37:44,597
Either you go together...

684
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,516
And I actually happen to do this a lot
myself, with my wife, you know.

685
00:37:47,808 --> 00:37:49,226
- I'm getting better at it.
- What's the team?

686
00:37:49,310 --> 00:37:51,228
Yeah, yeah. And it's not
because you're a bad person.

687
00:37:51,312 --> 00:37:52,980
It's just like you're so into
what you're doing,

688
00:37:53,064 --> 00:37:54,607
you think it's so exciting that...

689
00:37:54,690 --> 00:37:58,903
Just don't forget that there's
another person that actually has her own.

690
00:37:58,986 --> 00:37:59,820
Yeah.

691
00:38:00,237 --> 00:38:04,492
And I like the toning of it.
I mean, we see it later in another scene.

692
00:38:05,117 --> 00:38:06,285
<i>...suburbs somewhere.</i>

693
00:38:07,954 --> 00:38:10,748
<i>Well, I'd still be in the naval academy
if I'd listened to my dad.</i>

694
00:38:15,086 --> 00:38:17,046
<i>But I decided to live my own life.</i>

695
00:38:27,598 --> 00:38:29,892
So, I really like this scene as well,
because it's very kind of...

696
00:38:31,644 --> 00:38:35,231
somber and, give it time, but they're
basically figuring out...

697
00:38:37,525 --> 00:38:40,695
how lost they are,
and how bad their situation is.

698
00:38:40,903 --> 00:38:44,073
I love the scenes like this in the movie,
because it does show just how

699
00:38:44,156 --> 00:38:46,242
there's no distractions.

700
00:38:46,325 --> 00:38:48,494
It shows how barren you are out at sea.

701
00:38:49,245 --> 00:38:51,163
It really is so simple.

702
00:38:57,503 --> 00:39:02,091
Yeah, and I think the score complements
these kind of feelings really well.

703
00:39:02,174 --> 00:39:07,179
There's this Volker Bertelmann,
who did the Lion score...

704
00:39:07,847 --> 00:39:10,766
Yeah, which is also a beautiful score.

705
00:39:10,850 --> 00:39:13,477
He did such a good job in this.

706
00:39:14,478 --> 00:39:17,023
And just this kind of loneliness...

707
00:39:17,481 --> 00:39:22,278
You know, it took me a long time,
actually, to find the musician to do this.

708
00:39:22,361 --> 00:39:25,239
There was a couple of people
I was looking at early on.

709
00:39:25,322 --> 00:39:27,616
But then I felt that I hadn't found it.

710
00:39:27,908 --> 00:39:31,704
And it's so hard with music,
because it's so abstract.

711
00:39:31,912 --> 00:39:34,957
I often say it's like
there's a frequency in your soul.

712
00:39:35,041 --> 00:39:37,543
- Yeah.
- And if music hits that frequency,

713
00:39:37,626 --> 00:39:38,669
-you love it.
- Right.

714
00:39:38,753 --> 00:39:40,087
If it doesn't, it doesn't affect you.

715
00:39:40,171 --> 00:39:43,466
And it's really hard to explain why some
music affects some people,

716
00:39:43,883 --> 00:39:45,217
and others, others, you know.

717
00:39:45,301 --> 00:39:47,303
And that's the only explanation
I can come up with.

718
00:39:47,595 --> 00:39:50,264
- Well, it is all frequency.
- Yeah, frequency of your soul.

719
00:39:50,347 --> 00:39:51,265
I love that.

720
00:39:51,682 --> 00:39:55,352
When I heard this, it was after we shot,
because I decided to push it away,

721
00:39:55,728 --> 00:39:58,814
not panic about it because
I hadn't found the right musician.

722
00:39:59,356 --> 00:40:02,985
And then when... Actually,
Jason Markey, the music supervisor,

723
00:40:03,235 --> 00:40:07,448
sent me his music,
I knew instantly that this was the guy.

724
00:40:07,698 --> 00:40:08,741
It just hit the frequency.

725
00:40:08,824 --> 00:40:12,203
And there's something about
just traveling,

726
00:40:12,286 --> 00:40:15,539
wandering, loneliness, I don't know
how to explain this any better,

727
00:40:15,956 --> 00:40:19,543
because it's really about her being alone
at sea, you know.

728
00:40:20,377 --> 00:40:21,295
And drifting.

729
00:40:24,423 --> 00:40:28,427
<i>I think that it's
a... really cool opportunity.</i>

730
00:40:29,095 --> 00:40:30,096
<i>But...</i>

731
00:40:31,931 --> 00:40:34,558
<i>I'm not really looking to go home, yet.</i>

732
00:40:36,102 --> 00:40:39,730
Here's kind of the continuity of
their conversation we discussed earlier.

733
00:40:40,397 --> 00:40:44,360
It was important to me that the conflict
scene that we had in this movie

734
00:40:45,069 --> 00:40:47,571
wasn't angsty or loud.

735
00:40:47,822 --> 00:40:50,116
Tami writes and spoke with both of us

736
00:40:50,199 --> 00:40:52,618
about the fact that she and Richard
never actually fought.

737
00:40:52,910 --> 00:40:55,287
They've never gotten in small fights or...

738
00:40:55,913 --> 00:41:00,501
Which is hard to believe if you've had
any experience with a relationship.

739
00:41:01,043 --> 00:41:04,713
I do feel that sometimes you have two
people who click in a way where...

740
00:41:05,714 --> 00:41:07,883
the small things don't quite bother them.

741
00:41:08,300 --> 00:41:10,553
So, that's why it was important
to have this be more of a dialog

742
00:41:10,636 --> 00:41:12,721
and a conversation, rather than a fight.

743
00:41:13,097 --> 00:41:15,599
Yeah, and also the relationship
is quite young.

744
00:41:15,683 --> 00:41:18,060
- So, people--
- The honeymoon phase.

745
00:41:18,144 --> 00:41:23,315
Yeah, honeymoon phase. And there are
maybe little things, obviously.

746
00:41:23,983 --> 00:41:27,319
It wasn't really about whether
you were going to do this or not,

747
00:41:27,403 --> 00:41:30,114
it was just about not being taken
for granted.

748
00:41:30,197 --> 00:41:31,365
You know, that's not why I--

749
00:41:31,448 --> 00:41:32,867
- The respect.
- Yeah, the respect.

750
00:41:33,951 --> 00:41:37,955
And you know, he's a bit older
than she is, and he's on his track.

751
00:41:38,789 --> 00:41:41,458
You know, he has to just stop
for a second and realize.

752
00:41:42,209 --> 00:41:45,129
It took me only like 18, 20 years
for me to do it.

753
00:41:46,255 --> 00:41:47,715
- That's it.
- Yep.

754
00:41:49,049 --> 00:41:52,595
- Just to get that thought into my head.
- Stick it out, yeah.

755
00:41:52,678 --> 00:41:53,721
<i>...half knots.</i>

756
00:41:57,766 --> 00:42:00,352
<i>We could hit San Diego in 25 days.</i>

757
00:42:02,438 --> 00:42:04,523
<i>But then, with these headwinds,
it could take months.</i>

758
00:42:05,900 --> 00:42:07,651
<i>What if we don't sail to San Diego?</i>

759
00:42:08,485 --> 00:42:12,865
And here's a big decision, you know,
which is very accurate to the real story.

760
00:42:14,158 --> 00:42:17,661
When Tami realizes that getting
against the wind,

761
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:23,542
because that means you have to beat
all the way to San Diego

762
00:42:23,626 --> 00:42:28,172
or to Mexico, or wherever they would land,
on the continent of America.

763
00:42:29,173 --> 00:42:30,841
It wasn't gonna work. They would not...

764
00:42:30,925 --> 00:42:32,885
And I think they wouldn't ever
have made it,

765
00:42:32,968 --> 00:42:35,429
because with that little power
of the sail,

766
00:42:36,222 --> 00:42:39,099
there's very limited what you can beat.

767
00:42:39,183 --> 00:42:41,018
Firstly, you can't really go much up
to the wind.

768
00:42:41,352 --> 00:42:44,396
- Right
- And so your angles get very low.

769
00:42:44,647 --> 00:42:45,773
So, you don't cut...

770
00:42:46,065 --> 00:42:48,442
Because you're basically going
against wind the whole time.

771
00:42:49,568 --> 00:42:54,323
So, she makes this decision of turning
the boat around and heading for Hawaii.

772
00:42:54,406 --> 00:42:56,533
That's to say hang left on the eighteenth.

773
00:42:56,617 --> 00:42:57,952
- Nineteenth.
- Nineteenth, sorry.

774
00:42:58,786 --> 00:43:00,246
Like the sailors did in the old days.

775
00:43:00,746 --> 00:43:01,872
Nineteenth latitude?

776
00:43:01,956 --> 00:43:03,082
Yeah, latitude.

777
00:43:03,540 --> 00:43:06,377
That way she can kind of go downwind

778
00:43:06,460 --> 00:43:08,671
and use the drift in her benefit.

779
00:43:08,754 --> 00:43:09,755
But that's...

780
00:43:10,005 --> 00:43:15,928
Just the slightest miscalculation
in the navigation can get you...

781
00:43:16,011 --> 00:43:18,097
You lose Hawaii, and Japan is next.

782
00:43:18,180 --> 00:43:19,556
And you're probably
never gonna make it there.

783
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,892
And I mean, it's just wild
being out there,

784
00:43:21,976 --> 00:43:24,061
filming this in the middle
of the ocean, to even...

785
00:43:24,812 --> 00:43:27,731
imagine that one can celestial navigate,

786
00:43:27,815 --> 00:43:28,899
and one can use...

787
00:43:29,733 --> 00:43:34,071
the sextant and the horizon and the sun
to measure where you are

788
00:43:34,154 --> 00:43:36,448
when, visually, there's no way
of marking it.

789
00:43:36,532 --> 00:43:39,493
It's really all mathematics
that you're depending on.

790
00:43:39,576 --> 00:43:42,538
Yeah. And a very accurate one with
time, and the sun, and the height,

791
00:43:42,621 --> 00:43:46,250
and we studied all these, and it's still
complicated to me how all that's done.

792
00:43:46,333 --> 00:43:49,670
I studied it for months and could not
tell you one thing about it.

793
00:43:49,753 --> 00:43:54,717
And luckily, she had learned this
when she was sailing... on this schooner.

794
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,510
And she had learned how to do this.

795
00:43:56,844 --> 00:43:59,054
So, she had sailed
with someone else, before.

796
00:43:59,346 --> 00:44:00,180
And she had learned--

797
00:44:00,264 --> 00:44:02,725
The person who taught her
how to do this...

798
00:44:02,808 --> 00:44:05,269
- Yes, was the guy we met.
-...was the guy that we actually met.

799
00:44:05,352 --> 00:44:07,354
He is still a sailor.

800
00:44:07,688 --> 00:44:10,441
And he was in Suva harbor while
we were filming there, and we met him.

801
00:44:10,524 --> 00:44:13,110
He was the one who had taught
Tami in the '80s...

802
00:44:13,777 --> 00:44:16,822
how to use a sextant, which is the tool
that ended up saving her life.

803
00:44:16,905 --> 00:44:18,615
I mean, that's bananas to me.

804
00:44:18,699 --> 00:44:21,160
Yeah. That's incredible.
And so accurately she did it.

805
00:44:21,243 --> 00:44:23,287
And also the courage of turning around.

806
00:44:24,830 --> 00:44:27,124
You know, you're closer to America,

807
00:44:27,207 --> 00:44:30,794
and then you decide
you're going to sail to Hawaii,

808
00:44:30,878 --> 00:44:33,339
which is a dot in the ocean, you know.

809
00:44:33,589 --> 00:44:36,216
And that is really what saved her.

810
00:44:37,259 --> 00:44:40,137
I really like this here,

811
00:44:40,346 --> 00:44:42,890
we're seeing actually,
the boat intact for the first time.

812
00:44:43,390 --> 00:44:45,225
- Right.
- And I think, you know, it's...

813
00:44:45,601 --> 00:44:49,355
It's a bit of relation for the audience.
You've seen it trashed and in a mess.

814
00:44:49,938 --> 00:44:51,940
And now you're suddenly seeing it.

815
00:44:52,024 --> 00:44:54,568
So, I like how the information comes,
you know.

816
00:44:55,069 --> 00:44:56,862
- It's kind of--
- Over time.

817
00:44:56,945 --> 00:45:00,366
Yeah, over time you learn more about
things, and how they got on the boat,

818
00:45:00,741 --> 00:45:03,243
what the boat really looks like
before they took off.

819
00:45:04,536 --> 00:45:05,371
<i>Yeah.</i>

820
00:45:07,790 --> 00:45:09,583
<i>I mean, it's our boat now, so why not?</i>

821
00:45:11,877 --> 00:45:12,878
<i>So, you're in?</i>

822
00:45:14,630 --> 00:45:16,298
<i>Just for those first-class plane tickets.</i>

823
00:45:22,513 --> 00:45:23,389
<i>Whoa.</i>

824
00:45:24,473 --> 00:45:25,307
<i>Later.</i>

825
00:45:25,724 --> 00:45:26,767
<i>You dirty old man.</i>

826
00:45:33,482 --> 00:45:36,151
This is that same fruit market,
vegetable market.

827
00:45:37,194 --> 00:45:39,905
Well, it's outside that, you mean.
It's the restaurant outside.

828
00:45:39,988 --> 00:45:41,990
It's the stalls, the shop's around.

829
00:45:42,074 --> 00:45:44,076
Remember the fish soups and stuff?

830
00:45:44,159 --> 00:45:45,786
- Lamb neck soup.
- Yeah.

831
00:45:46,578 --> 00:45:50,958
<i>I got this job sailing this gorgeous yacht
from down here back to San Diego.</i>

832
00:45:51,834 --> 00:45:53,335
I do love the voiceover in this.

833
00:45:53,419 --> 00:45:56,839
I think it's a good way to show the sign
of the times in the '80s,

834
00:45:56,922 --> 00:46:00,509
that you did have to write letters to
people, you couldn't just send a text,

835
00:46:00,592 --> 00:46:01,969
or even make a phone call.

836
00:46:02,636 --> 00:46:04,888
Yeah, I know that's a very, very...

837
00:46:04,972 --> 00:46:07,307
Well, you could make a phone call,
but it was--

838
00:46:07,391 --> 00:46:08,517
It would cost so much.

839
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,979
Yeah, cost a lot of money,
and also not only that...

840
00:46:12,521 --> 00:46:14,648
you're not very likely
to be there when you call.

841
00:46:14,731 --> 00:46:16,483
You know, I don't think they even had...

842
00:46:17,025 --> 00:46:19,361
Probably at that time
they didn't have answering machines.

843
00:46:19,445 --> 00:46:22,239
It might have been, but I'm not sure

844
00:46:22,322 --> 00:46:29,163
that answering machines, actually, had
even been invented, in every other home.

845
00:46:30,247 --> 00:46:31,498
That came, I think, later.

846
00:46:31,582 --> 00:46:34,418
<i>So, I really feel like he's the one.</i>

847
00:46:34,751 --> 00:46:36,003
<i>Bon voyage, lovers!</i>

848
00:46:36,086 --> 00:46:37,546
I mean, people...

849
00:46:37,629 --> 00:46:41,341
Actually, how you met people in cities,
when you were going to meet someone,

850
00:46:41,550 --> 00:46:45,637
it was actually, you had to plan a place
to meet them, you know.

851
00:46:45,721 --> 00:46:47,097
- Yeah
- Now it's just like,

852
00:46:47,181 --> 00:46:48,307
"Text me when you're there."

853
00:46:49,725 --> 00:46:51,727
- This is one of the beautiful...
- Modern convenience.

854
00:46:52,519 --> 00:46:54,062
...beautiful sunset shots.

855
00:46:54,938 --> 00:46:56,273
Bob Richardson.

856
00:47:00,194 --> 00:47:04,031
This was the beginning of Sam and I
losing a lot of weight to...

857
00:47:04,865 --> 00:47:08,535
match what these characters had
to go through in their experience.

858
00:47:08,952 --> 00:47:10,120
Yeah.

859
00:47:10,370 --> 00:47:13,165
And this scene was particularly special,

860
00:47:13,248 --> 00:47:16,376
because we hadn't eaten dinner
in about a month.

861
00:47:16,668 --> 00:47:20,797
We were surviving on a couple of eggs
and steamed vegetables each day.

862
00:47:23,342 --> 00:47:26,845
So, we were both looking forward
to shooting this scene,

863
00:47:26,929 --> 00:47:30,682
because we knew we'd be able
to indulge in some delicious, fatty...

864
00:47:31,183 --> 00:47:33,560
- Yeah, which is what's amazing to me.
-...peanut butter.

865
00:47:33,644 --> 00:47:37,189
Because the sardines,
anything in that bag,

866
00:47:37,856 --> 00:47:39,775
was more delicious to me than--

867
00:47:39,858 --> 00:47:41,193
Than peanut butter? My gosh.

868
00:47:41,276 --> 00:47:44,112
Peanut butter is like a gold mine,
it's so good.

869
00:47:44,530 --> 00:47:46,657
You know, I never understood that.

870
00:47:48,242 --> 00:47:50,702
I actually can't eat it, you know.
I'm disgusted by it.

871
00:47:51,870 --> 00:47:52,913
That's so funny.

872
00:47:54,456 --> 00:47:58,377
You notice, also, there's,
for those who have seen the film,

873
00:47:58,460 --> 00:48:01,755
and this explains it,
he never really does anything.

874
00:48:02,714 --> 00:48:04,800
He only kind of encourages her,

875
00:48:05,050 --> 00:48:07,135
but she does all the things herself.

876
00:48:08,762 --> 00:48:12,182
Like, even he suggest she open the...
You know, she didn't want that.

877
00:48:13,433 --> 00:48:14,393
There's a reason for that.

878
00:48:14,977 --> 00:48:17,646
And I hope that most people
who have seen the film understand why.

879
00:48:20,857 --> 00:48:21,984
<i>Oh, my God.</i>

880
00:48:24,069 --> 00:48:28,657
I really like this cut from your "mmm,"
into the kind of music here and romance.

881
00:48:29,825 --> 00:48:30,659
Yeah, so...

882
00:48:30,742 --> 00:48:31,702
<i>It's so red.</i>

883
00:48:32,119 --> 00:48:32,953
Yeah.

884
00:48:33,203 --> 00:48:34,037
<i>What?</i>

885
00:48:34,121 --> 00:48:36,123
<i>Is that how you describe
a painting by Monet?</i>

886
00:48:36,206 --> 00:48:39,418
We actually had to shoot this
over a couple of sunsets.

887
00:48:39,501 --> 00:48:42,254
Yeah, to capture the perfect one.

888
00:48:43,005 --> 00:48:47,134
Also because you have
such a short window to do this,

889
00:48:48,051 --> 00:48:51,597
that, I think, three times we had to do
it, just to get the whole scene...

890
00:48:51,847 --> 00:48:52,681
Right.

891
00:48:53,181 --> 00:48:54,016
.“Done.

892
00:48:55,601 --> 00:48:58,103
<i>- It's kinda got a--
- It's definitely red.</i>

893
00:48:58,186 --> 00:49:00,022
<i>No, no, no, with a hint of mandarin...</i>

894
00:49:00,105 --> 00:49:01,148
It's so beautiful.

895
00:49:02,357 --> 00:49:03,317
I mean, that's Fiji.

896
00:49:03,859 --> 00:49:05,694
Or Tahiti, or whatever
you want to call it.

897
00:49:06,069 --> 00:49:07,195
It's the middle of the ocean.

898
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:09,531
<i>Sailor's delight.</i>

899
00:49:11,992 --> 00:49:13,493
<i>Who the hell is Bob Ross, anyway?</i>

900
00:49:14,703 --> 00:49:15,871
<i>You don't know who Bob Ross is?</i>

901
00:49:17,914 --> 00:49:20,751
I think no one outside of America
really knows who Bob Ross is.

902
00:49:20,834 --> 00:49:24,921
I wonder how they translate this in the
other parts of the world, this joke.

903
00:49:27,841 --> 00:49:30,052
Well, I think it works, because
he doesn't know who it is.

904
00:49:30,260 --> 00:49:31,094
Yeah.

905
00:49:33,722 --> 00:49:35,932
<i>- Your cheeks...
- Let me guess, they're red.</i>

906
00:49:36,016 --> 00:49:40,395
And I liked that, in many ways, you
and Sam allowed, and we allowed for it,

907
00:49:40,479 --> 00:49:43,565
that you could take things off the page
and play a little with them.

908
00:49:43,815 --> 00:49:47,444
And I feel that benefits, often,
a very natural kind of dialog.

909
00:49:47,736 --> 00:49:48,570
Yeah.

910
00:49:49,488 --> 00:49:53,200
It's not always as precise for that,
you know, but I do like it,

911
00:49:53,283 --> 00:49:55,243
because it becomes more real and natural.

912
00:49:55,786 --> 00:49:57,537
And there's a great chemistry
that is also...

913
00:49:57,621 --> 00:50:00,082
Which you guys had
from day one, I thought.

914
00:50:00,290 --> 00:50:01,625
Yeah, we got pretty lucky...

915
00:50:02,542 --> 00:50:04,628
of just naturally
getting along pretty well.

916
00:50:04,711 --> 00:50:07,422
Yeah, we had conversations about that.
It was very important that...

917
00:50:08,048 --> 00:50:10,759
the guy, because you were
on the project way before he came,

918
00:50:10,842 --> 00:50:13,804
that we would find someone who
you would have chemistry with.

919
00:50:14,638 --> 00:50:16,390
I think also somebody who is a really...

920
00:50:16,765 --> 00:50:18,225
I mean, with you as the director

921
00:50:18,308 --> 00:50:20,811
and wanting to do everything
as authentically as possible,

922
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:26,358
me being on board with that and being
someone who loves the nitty and gritty,

923
00:50:26,817 --> 00:50:28,527
we needed a guy who was. And I...

924
00:50:30,404 --> 00:50:32,906
I think Sam, I don't think
there is anybody better than Sam,

925
00:50:32,989 --> 00:50:36,410
who would be willing to go
the distance with such generosity.

926
00:50:36,493 --> 00:50:38,954
No, but also the generosity he has
as an actor, you know.

927
00:50:39,037 --> 00:50:41,623
I think, you know, it was also very...

928
00:50:43,041 --> 00:50:44,292
I was very blown away by that.

929
00:50:44,376 --> 00:50:45,210
You know, he's...

930
00:50:46,545 --> 00:50:50,048
'Cause in the end of the day, it's very
much Tami's movie,

931
00:50:50,132 --> 00:50:53,135
and allowing it to be what
it has to be is important.

932
00:50:53,218 --> 00:50:55,846
A lot of actors tend to try
to steal the scenery, or...

933
00:50:56,138 --> 00:50:57,681
- Right.
-...chew it away a little bit.

934
00:50:57,764 --> 00:50:59,558
And there was nothing of that ever.

935
00:50:59,808 --> 00:51:02,144
- He's so trusting.
- For either one of you, by the way.

936
00:51:02,227 --> 00:51:08,108
That, I think, is also
great kind of chemistry.

937
00:51:08,191 --> 00:51:12,362
Because then people
are working towards the same,

938
00:51:12,446 --> 00:51:16,491
not towards their own, kind of career,
or how they see themselves.

939
00:51:16,575 --> 00:51:17,743
Or wanna be perceived.

940
00:51:17,826 --> 00:51:19,286
But it allowed the...

941
00:51:19,870 --> 00:51:25,167
And I'm more and more,
kind of into this kind of organic...

942
00:51:26,418 --> 00:51:29,087
You know, the more organically
you can make movies, you know.

943
00:51:29,337 --> 00:51:30,172
Yeah.

944
00:51:30,255 --> 00:51:32,758
Because so much is at the machine,
kind of overtaking.

945
00:51:33,049 --> 00:51:37,804
If you allow for just things to come to
you, and find them and not force them...

946
00:51:38,180 --> 00:51:39,389
- Right.
-...l think, you know,

947
00:51:39,473 --> 00:51:42,267
I feel it benefited a lot from that.

948
00:51:46,396 --> 00:51:48,774
Here we have a scene, under the boat,

949
00:51:49,065 --> 00:51:51,568
-not-- Yeah.
- This was...

950
00:51:52,110 --> 00:51:52,944
You tell us.

951
00:51:53,028 --> 00:51:55,030
Yeah, under the boat, while the...

952
00:51:55,113 --> 00:51:57,449
The waves were quite big that day,
as well, as you can see...

953
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,744
from the boat going... I mean,
this shot doesn't look like it, but...

954
00:52:01,787 --> 00:52:03,747
When you were doing it underwater
it was actually bigger.

955
00:52:03,955 --> 00:52:08,126
Yeah, the... Just trying not bang your
head on the top or the bottom of the boat,

956
00:52:08,835 --> 00:52:10,587
while releasing the sail.

957
00:52:12,172 --> 00:52:13,590
I found all this so fun.

958
00:52:14,758 --> 00:52:16,802
- Yeah, and I was amazed...
- A good challenge.

959
00:52:16,885 --> 00:52:19,346
...how long you could actually stay
under there and do this.

960
00:52:19,429 --> 00:52:21,765
I mean, of course it's cut out of
a couple of trips.

961
00:52:22,516 --> 00:52:27,062
But just to get a sense, see how the boat
is really hitting the water? Boom.

962
00:52:27,687 --> 00:52:29,147
Yeah, I had to hold the top of it.

963
00:52:29,981 --> 00:52:32,150
But a scene like that
might take half a day,

964
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:33,860
-you know, to do.
- Yeah.

965
00:52:33,944 --> 00:52:35,862
And you have to stay underwater
with no oxygen,

966
00:52:36,530 --> 00:52:38,907
you know, again, and again, and again.
And it wears you out.

967
00:52:39,324 --> 00:52:40,534
It's quite fun, though.

968
00:52:41,243 --> 00:52:43,161
I loved every time I got to jump
in the ocean.

969
00:52:43,620 --> 00:52:45,497
We were lucky we were in Fiji,
where it was warm.

970
00:52:45,789 --> 00:52:48,166
Yeah, and most of the time in filmmaking

971
00:52:48,250 --> 00:52:51,253
you would actually shoot stuff
like that in a tank.

972
00:52:51,336 --> 00:52:53,797
You know, just
a controlled situation, no sharks.

973
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:55,799
And stuff like that.

974
00:52:55,882 --> 00:52:58,260
But we decided to do it all,
because I like the water.

975
00:52:58,718 --> 00:53:01,096
And it's really difficult to get
the water to move right,

976
00:53:01,179 --> 00:53:03,682
and also to look right in the tank.
It just feels too clear.

977
00:53:04,349 --> 00:53:06,518
Actually, sometimes the water
in Fiji felt too clear.

978
00:53:07,060 --> 00:53:08,353
It's just such a clear water.

979
00:53:08,436 --> 00:53:10,772
Yeah, that it didn't feel like the ocean.

980
00:53:11,690 --> 00:53:15,485
While just you were down there, you know,
it's very, very clear.

981
00:53:15,694 --> 00:53:16,528
You know, and...

982
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:21,157
But I do think we benefitted from
doing it in the real location.

983
00:53:21,908 --> 00:53:22,868
<i>What's that?</i>

984
00:53:23,410 --> 00:53:24,244
<i>It's okay.</i>

985
00:53:32,878 --> 00:53:35,171
I really like, there's something
in this scene that I always...

986
00:53:35,839 --> 00:53:39,009
You know, it's one of the slower scenes,
but it's sensual, you know?

987
00:53:39,092 --> 00:53:42,888
Yeah. We don't have any...
You know, we did shoot a love scene.

988
00:53:43,346 --> 00:53:48,143
It's not in this film, but I love that
you don't necessarily have that.

989
00:53:48,226 --> 00:53:50,896
And all of the central moments come
without sexuality.

990
00:53:51,521 --> 00:53:55,817
I love that. I think that really explores,
you know, human nature.

991
00:53:56,902 --> 00:53:58,361
And, oftentimes, those are the moments

992
00:53:58,445 --> 00:54:00,906
that you share the most intimacy
with your partner.

993
00:54:01,531 --> 00:54:05,535
Yeah, I didn't feel like
we needed that, the sexuality.

994
00:54:05,869 --> 00:54:07,495
I think that's kind of...

995
00:54:07,829 --> 00:54:10,123
That's another really good makeup.

996
00:54:10,206 --> 00:54:11,041
Yeah.

997
00:54:11,124 --> 00:54:13,710
But also the makeup on your
and his hands, and...

998
00:54:14,336 --> 00:54:16,338
And I thought it was amazingly done.

999
00:54:16,421 --> 00:54:18,548
There's something. I love the hair
and the wind in the hair

1000
00:54:18,632 --> 00:54:20,133
when you're bending over him.

1001
00:54:20,216 --> 00:54:25,847
Stuff like that, that I think,
for me, do a lot, sensually.

1002
00:54:25,931 --> 00:54:26,848
Yeah.

1003
00:54:28,308 --> 00:54:31,353
And sexuality, I think, is overrated,

1004
00:54:31,645 --> 00:54:33,229
- I agree.
- Compared to sensuality.

1005
00:54:34,773 --> 00:54:37,901
That's also a very...
I think it can be a very...

1006
00:54:39,194 --> 00:54:43,657
European versus American
disposition, as well.

1007
00:54:45,867 --> 00:54:48,036
Yeah, I haven't tried American sex,
so I don't know.

1008
00:54:50,330 --> 00:54:52,499
Just, I think, in
the cultural approach, too.

1009
00:54:52,582 --> 00:54:54,918
Yeah, no. I understand. It was a bad joke.

1010
00:54:58,880 --> 00:54:59,965
<i>Nine cans.</i>

1011
00:55:02,801 --> 00:55:04,094
<i>Of God knows what.</i>

1012
00:55:04,427 --> 00:55:06,429
And you can also see that, a lot of the
scenes,

1013
00:55:06,513 --> 00:55:08,056
and I'm gonna give this away, here,

1014
00:55:08,139 --> 00:55:13,645
is that a lot of the scenes you have
the sun behind the actors, you know?

1015
00:55:13,728 --> 00:55:16,106
And in both directions.

1016
00:55:16,398 --> 00:55:19,567
Bob is really...
He really pushes for that.

1017
00:55:19,651 --> 00:55:21,403
He wants to have the scenes backlit.

1018
00:55:21,486 --> 00:55:25,240
And I agree with him.
It makes it look much better.

1019
00:55:25,323 --> 00:55:29,411
It's not, you know, always
the most natural way of doing things,

1020
00:55:29,494 --> 00:55:32,455
but we're also making a movie.

1021
00:55:32,539 --> 00:55:35,041
And you see how this is
really nicely backlit?

1022
00:55:36,209 --> 00:55:38,086
<i>I'm not doing that. I'm not gonna kill...</i>

1023
00:55:38,169 --> 00:55:40,338
And it makes for a complicated shoot,

1024
00:55:40,422 --> 00:55:42,799
because you have to turn the boat,
and you know,

1025
00:55:43,425 --> 00:55:46,011
and fight with the wind
and find a way to make everything work.

1026
00:55:46,094 --> 00:55:48,388
Because you can see the sail
behind you on the, you know,

1027
00:55:48,722 --> 00:55:50,765
the sun and the wind don't
always play together.

1028
00:55:51,099 --> 00:55:52,100
Right.

1029
00:55:53,810 --> 00:55:55,020
<i>My leg's shattered.</i>

1030
00:55:57,814 --> 00:55:58,815
<i>I'm dead weight.</i>

1031
00:56:05,864 --> 00:56:08,616
I also like, really, the color palette,
you know, of the boat,

1032
00:56:08,700 --> 00:56:10,577
and your costume and his costume.

1033
00:56:10,660 --> 00:56:12,120
It's just, it's quite simple.

1034
00:56:13,288 --> 00:56:15,290
It's naturalistic, but it still
has a bit of a...

1035
00:56:15,874 --> 00:56:17,333
It's still stylistic in some way.

1036
00:56:21,671 --> 00:56:25,383
I think that often it's a very fine line
to give things...

1037
00:56:26,843 --> 00:56:32,891
a definitive look, without looking too
slick or stylish, still being natural.

1038
00:56:34,059 --> 00:56:35,852
Yeah, it's a fine dance
that I think people...

1039
00:56:36,269 --> 00:56:38,688
I don't always think of
when I see a movie.

1040
00:56:39,105 --> 00:56:40,982
But makes the biggest difference.

1041
00:56:42,067 --> 00:56:44,569
Yeah, I love when I read about
the Coen brothers,

1042
00:56:45,487 --> 00:56:47,155
because they make really stylish movies.

1043
00:56:47,739 --> 00:56:51,201
That the most stylish movie, they said,
was Fargo, who looks the most natural.

1044
00:56:51,993 --> 00:56:55,121
But if you think about it,
to create that look,

1045
00:56:55,580 --> 00:56:57,791
it actually is a lot of work.

1046
00:56:58,041 --> 00:57:00,335
Even though most people wouldn't
even think about it.

1047
00:57:00,418 --> 00:57:02,295
They'd just think they shot it
in somebody's home.

1048
00:57:02,378 --> 00:57:03,379
Right.

1049
00:57:04,506 --> 00:57:05,507
<i>I can't do it.</i>

1050
00:57:06,007 --> 00:57:06,925
<i>It's too hard.</i>

1051
00:57:11,262 --> 00:57:12,222
<i>It's okay.</i>

1052
00:57:16,601 --> 00:57:20,105
It reminds me, when we talk about this,
all the people on the boat.

1053
00:57:20,688 --> 00:57:24,901
You know, going around trying to keep
everything, you know...

1054
00:57:24,984 --> 00:57:26,611
- Secure.
-...secured, and you know,

1055
00:57:26,694 --> 00:57:27,904
it always looks like it's so easy.

1056
00:57:27,987 --> 00:57:32,492
But we had like 2O to 3O people
in every shot moving around there.

1057
00:57:32,992 --> 00:57:35,578
And you pretty much got, you know,
the space of your ass.

1058
00:57:36,121 --> 00:57:38,289
You know, that's what you got on the boat,
whether you were

1059
00:57:38,373 --> 00:57:40,333
in the highest or the lowest position,
it was the same.

1060
00:57:40,416 --> 00:57:44,879
And if you were in the cabin,
and it happened to be a harsh-weather day,

1061
00:57:44,963 --> 00:57:47,006
it wasn't always the most
delightful experience.

1062
00:57:47,090 --> 00:57:48,049
I noticed that.

1063
00:57:48,758 --> 00:57:51,261
Yeah, makeup did such a good job,
even with our teeth.

1064
00:57:51,803 --> 00:57:54,264
They started painting our teeth
at a certain point,

1065
00:57:54,347 --> 00:57:57,433
so that it looked like
there had been decay.

1066
00:57:57,517 --> 00:58:00,645
This is the only place where
we allowed for some nudity.

1067
00:58:00,728 --> 00:58:03,606
And we tried to make that
as subtle as possible.

1068
00:58:03,982 --> 00:58:08,153
But, in fact actually, Tami was quite
a few times naked on the boat.

1069
00:58:08,736 --> 00:58:10,738
It was warm, and you know, but...

1070
00:58:11,489 --> 00:58:15,660
I think it's just nice to show it
without making it being an issue.

1071
00:58:16,411 --> 00:58:18,037
And that rainbow shot we actually got...

1072
00:58:18,121 --> 00:58:20,248
-from a helicopter.
- Yeah, that was a helicopter,

1073
00:58:20,331 --> 00:58:23,376
we saw the rainbow and we just,
"Let's shoot that rainbow."

1074
00:58:31,676 --> 00:58:32,510
<i>What?</i>

1075
00:58:34,053 --> 00:58:36,472
This is a Tahitian beer,
if I remember right.

1076
00:58:36,556 --> 00:58:38,558
- Yeah.
- We specially had it made.

1077
00:58:39,100 --> 00:58:40,768
- And this actually happened.
- Hino?

1078
00:58:40,852 --> 00:58:41,769
- Yeah, it's actually--
- Hinu?

1079
00:58:41,853 --> 00:58:43,146
Hinu, yeah.

1080
00:58:43,521 --> 00:58:48,067
Yeah, this actually happened. They did
find, certainly, beer hidden away.

1081
00:58:48,359 --> 00:58:49,611
- And some cigars.
- Cigars.

1082
00:58:50,737 --> 00:58:51,779
And had a little party.

1083
00:58:54,032 --> 00:58:55,742
- Party on the boat.
- We're gonna have a <i>party!</i>

1084
00:58:59,787 --> 00:59:01,164
<i>A little touch of humanity.</i>

1085
00:59:01,998 --> 00:59:06,461
And I really like, you know,
to find levity in the saddest of moments.

1086
00:59:06,544 --> 00:59:09,839
I think, it's also nice when
we're screening this and...

1087
00:59:10,423 --> 00:59:12,967
people are laughing a little bit when
you said, "Gonna have a party."

1088
00:59:13,051 --> 00:59:15,511
And then you see this really
kind of subtle party. I think...

1089
00:59:16,804 --> 00:59:19,766
it opens up the movie a little bit.

1090
00:59:19,849 --> 00:59:21,601
It allows people to laugh.

1091
00:59:21,684 --> 00:59:24,312
And we are coming into a scene,
actually, that I really like.

1092
00:59:24,395 --> 00:59:25,730
The proposal scene that comes up.

1093
00:59:25,813 --> 00:59:29,234
How it plays and is unconventional,
in a way.

1094
00:59:29,776 --> 00:59:30,735
Right.

1095
00:59:30,818 --> 00:59:33,363
You know, you're not allowed
to say something like

1096
00:59:33,863 --> 00:59:35,114
propose in the dead mother's voice.

1097
00:59:35,198 --> 00:59:37,075
And you know... But I really like that.

1098
00:59:37,158 --> 00:59:39,869
It gives it a kind of unexpected angle.

1099
00:59:40,745 --> 00:59:42,705
Here we are back into the Tom Waits song.

1100
00:59:45,041 --> 00:59:47,502
And if you look behind her,
you might notice something.

1101
00:59:47,585 --> 00:59:48,544
Yeah.

1102
00:59:50,797 --> 00:59:53,925
<i>♪ There on with you... a'</i>

1103
00:59:54,300 --> 00:59:57,887
The more people see this film, too,
the more they begin noticing.

1104
00:59:57,971 --> 00:59:59,430
Yeah, I think on second viewing--

1105
00:59:59,514 --> 01:00:00,974
- The little tricks.
- Yeah.

1106
01:00:01,641 --> 01:00:05,144
Well, I just wanted to be
also honest about it.

1107
01:00:05,395 --> 01:00:10,733
I didn't want to hide it totally,
so the rug would be pulled from under you.

1108
01:00:11,234 --> 01:00:12,568
That actually you show it, but,

1109
01:00:13,152 --> 01:00:16,572
because you're in her perspective,
you want to see it differently.

1110
01:00:16,864 --> 01:00:17,949
Like she wants to.

1111
01:00:18,199 --> 01:00:20,243
And that pushes the perspective of her,

1112
01:00:20,326 --> 01:00:22,453
you know, and that's what
I'm trying to achieve with this.

1113
01:00:23,371 --> 01:00:27,500
And, you know, John Gilbert, who is
a wonderful editor, who edited the movie,

1114
01:00:28,501 --> 01:00:33,089
<i>did Hacksaw Ridge, and, you know,</i> some
<i>of the Lord of the Rings movies,</i> I <i>think.</i>

1115
01:00:33,923 --> 01:00:39,637
We had a lot of conversation about this,
balancing this rightly,

1116
01:00:40,513 --> 01:00:42,974
how much we show and when.

1117
01:00:48,104 --> 01:00:51,482
And I also like this.
This is backwards, basically.

1118
01:00:51,566 --> 01:00:55,403
You're playing from this memory,
before you see him do it.

1119
01:00:55,486 --> 01:00:56,904
I think it's an interesting choice.

1120
01:00:56,988 --> 01:00:59,324
'Cause if I remember correctly,
it wasn't written that way.

1121
01:00:59,991 --> 01:01:02,076
I can't remember, to be...

1122
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:06,080
I like the idea that
we're not seeing it always,

1123
01:01:06,164 --> 01:01:07,832
like first he does it, then you do it.

1124
01:01:07,915 --> 01:01:10,209
You know, that actually
plans a little more.

1125
01:01:10,668 --> 01:01:13,963
Because it can become a little pedestrian
if you predict it all the time.

1126
01:01:16,174 --> 01:01:19,427
Because it is his guitar.
He played the song first for her.

1127
01:01:20,219 --> 01:01:23,181
And then she's kind of remembering it.

1128
01:01:23,264 --> 01:01:26,809
And really doesn't know how to play it,
but kind of remembering the song.

1129
01:01:27,226 --> 01:01:28,686
But we see it in a reverse order.

1130
01:01:29,187 --> 01:01:30,480
<i>How did your mom die?</i>

1131
01:01:33,524 --> 01:01:34,650
<i>You really want to know?</i>

1132
01:01:35,651 --> 01:01:36,569
<i>You don't have to tell me.</i>

1133
01:01:37,070 --> 01:01:37,904
<i>Just...</i>

1134
01:01:38,321 --> 01:01:39,405
<i>curious.</i>

1135
01:01:40,323 --> 01:01:43,284
<i>When I was seven, she hung herself.</i>

1136
01:01:43,826 --> 01:01:45,703
But I did move the scenes.

1137
01:01:46,662 --> 01:01:47,914
And this is the truth, I think.

1138
01:01:47,997 --> 01:01:50,792
At least as much as I know of it,
what he's saying.

1139
01:01:52,668 --> 01:01:54,712
He did lose his mother
when he was a young boy.

1140
01:01:56,798 --> 01:02:00,009
<i>Christ, the first person in your life
who dies is supposed to be old, you know?</i>

1141
01:02:00,927 --> 01:02:01,928
<i>Not your bloody mother.</i>

1142
01:02:02,970 --> 01:02:04,889
But also what he's saying about his
mother,

1143
01:02:04,972 --> 01:02:09,435
that later on is also a little key
to what Tami's experience is.

1144
01:02:12,021 --> 01:02:13,439
<i>It got sort of internalized.</i>

1145
01:02:14,232 --> 01:02:15,525
<i>Internalized what?</i>

1146
01:02:15,608 --> 01:02:19,112
And this scene was very much
written by David Branson Smith.

1147
01:02:19,195 --> 01:02:22,240
It was kind of the first scene that
I was like, "That's great. I love it."

1148
01:02:22,323 --> 01:02:24,367
- Yeah.
- He came in a little later and...

1149
01:02:24,742 --> 01:02:27,453
this was very much
his style, you know?

1150
01:02:28,287 --> 01:02:30,498
<i>I'm still missing Dad...</i>

1151
01:02:30,581 --> 01:02:32,708
<i>He wrote something</i> called
<i>Ingrid Goes to...</i>

1152
01:02:32,959 --> 01:02:33,876
<i>Ingrid Goes West.</i>

1153
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:35,837
<i>Goes West,</i> yeah. <i>That's it.</i>

1154
01:02:36,504 --> 01:02:39,757
It won the screenwriter award
at Sundance for that.

1155
01:02:41,217 --> 01:02:42,844
Very talented young writer.

1156
01:02:43,845 --> 01:02:46,222
<i>All men really do want
to marry their mums.</i>

1157
01:02:52,353 --> 01:02:56,190
<i>Oh, fuck. Did I just ask you to marry me
in the voice of my dead mother?</i>

1158
01:02:56,274 --> 01:02:58,317
This always gets a good
laugh in the theater.

1159
01:02:59,902 --> 01:03:02,155
I also love your reaction here.
It's such a, you know...

1160
01:03:02,989 --> 01:03:06,159
Because it goes against what he...
He's kind of being a bit funny, but...

1161
01:03:06,576 --> 01:03:09,078
you've got more sincere and surprised.

1162
01:03:09,787 --> 01:03:10,705
Very nice.

1163
01:03:17,128 --> 01:03:18,254
<i>I love you.</i>

1164
01:03:21,424 --> 01:03:24,260
<i>And I know that I want to be
with you forever.</i>

1165
01:03:26,387 --> 01:03:28,431
It actually took a bit of time
editing this scene.

1166
01:03:28,514 --> 01:03:30,766
I don't know why, because
it played really well when you did it.

1167
01:03:30,850 --> 01:03:31,851
But it was just...

1168
01:03:32,852 --> 01:03:35,021
Find the right balance, you know?

1169
01:03:35,104 --> 01:03:36,022
The right beats?

1170
01:03:36,105 --> 01:03:37,857
Yeah, just to you know...

1171
01:03:39,025 --> 01:03:41,402
Just to fill it in right,
and to make it...

1172
01:03:42,236 --> 01:03:45,072
Sometimes scenes,
what I came out of the scene, it's funny,

1173
01:03:45,156 --> 01:03:48,576
because sometimes you come out of a scene
like that, it's just like, you know,

1174
01:03:48,993 --> 01:03:50,870
that goes together,
what you're thinking is...

1175
01:03:51,120 --> 01:03:52,663
It will be the easiest scene to edit.

1176
01:03:52,955 --> 01:03:54,457
- Yeah.
-'Cause you have all the angles,

1177
01:03:54,540 --> 01:03:55,917
you have the performances, but...

1178
01:03:57,043 --> 01:04:00,171
But it just took us
a bit of time to find--

1179
01:04:00,254 --> 01:04:01,255
- Figure it out?
- Yeah.

1180
01:04:01,339 --> 01:04:04,425
<i>I promise, when we get back to the States,
we can get you a real one.</i>

1181
01:04:05,301 --> 01:04:06,302
<i>No.</i>

1182
01:04:08,721 --> 01:04:12,016
And then the other thing, sometimes,
you think, "Oh, that's not gonna work."

1183
01:04:12,225 --> 01:04:13,935
And actually, it just falls into place.

1184
01:04:14,477 --> 01:04:16,312
And that's the great thing
about filmmaking.

1185
01:04:16,395 --> 01:04:18,856
It doesn't matter how much you believe...

1186
01:04:20,191 --> 01:04:23,486
you got it, you kind of know what
you're doing, it always surprises you.

1187
01:04:23,569 --> 01:04:25,446
- There are always things that--
- Come up?

1188
01:04:25,530 --> 01:04:27,698
They come up and turn out
to be different than you think.

1189
01:04:27,990 --> 01:04:28,908
And I love that.

1190
01:04:28,991 --> 01:04:30,952
Yeah, well, that's what keeps it fun.

1191
01:04:31,035 --> 01:04:34,956
Yeah. And I love the idea that
the movie wants to be something.

1192
01:04:35,540 --> 01:04:38,543
And actually, you allow it
to become what it wants.

1193
01:04:38,626 --> 01:04:40,002
- Almost like a child.
- You follow it.

1194
01:04:40,086 --> 01:04:42,547
Yeah, well. Yeah.
You try to give it your best,

1195
01:04:42,630 --> 01:04:45,883
and then allow it to become
what it wants to be in some way.

1196
01:04:46,467 --> 01:04:47,426
Like you do to your kids.

1197
01:04:49,595 --> 01:04:52,223
I remember this scene,
we shot it at 2:00 a.m.

1198
01:04:52,557 --> 01:04:54,600
in New Zealand in the middle of the night.

1199
01:04:55,309 --> 01:04:59,480
- This is quite complicated, the visual--
- Getting the balance of the...

1200
01:04:59,730 --> 01:05:03,359
Finding the right... Because,
of course, we had to build this in CGI.

1201
01:05:05,278 --> 01:05:07,196
But this is all real, you know,

1202
01:05:07,613 --> 01:05:09,240
pouring water all over Shailene.

1203
01:05:09,490 --> 01:05:12,910
And Sam, who just had to lie there
and take all the ice water.

1204
01:05:12,994 --> 01:05:14,287
That was probably pretty cold.

1205
01:05:14,787 --> 01:05:18,583
This is also a choice that
I wanted to give the audience.

1206
01:05:19,500 --> 01:05:21,252
Instead of telling them
it's a hallucination,

1207
01:05:21,335 --> 01:05:23,588
or telling them it's not a hallucination,

1208
01:05:24,171 --> 01:05:26,549
that being your perspective,
you're not sure.

1209
01:05:26,882 --> 01:05:27,717
Yeah.

1210
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:30,011
So, by kind of making it...

1211
01:05:30,219 --> 01:05:31,887
It could have been disappearing
into the fog,

1212
01:05:31,971 --> 01:05:34,932
and it can be disappearing
because it's a hallucination.

1213
01:05:35,266 --> 01:05:36,392
- Yeah.
- So, I think,

1214
01:05:36,475 --> 01:05:39,353
all these things actually strengthen
the perspective of her,

1215
01:05:39,645 --> 01:05:42,982
and give you more of how she's feeling,
instead of sitting outside of it,

1216
01:05:43,065 --> 01:05:44,358
and knowing better than she does.

1217
01:05:44,567 --> 01:05:45,484
Yeah.

1218
01:05:45,568 --> 01:05:46,402
<i>We might...</i>

1219
01:05:48,112 --> 01:05:49,905
<i>You're not supposed to say that.</i>

1220
01:05:51,407 --> 01:05:52,325
<i>You'd rather I lie to you?</i>

1221
01:05:52,408 --> 01:05:53,993
<i>Yes! Please, lie to me.</i>

1222
01:05:54,744 --> 01:05:56,287
<i>Just tell me it's gonna be okay.</i>

1223
01:05:56,579 --> 01:05:57,872
I also think, you know,

1224
01:05:58,914 --> 01:06:02,460
Dadi and his team did an incredible job.

1225
01:06:03,753 --> 01:06:05,546
- With that--
- Yeah. Those scenes.

1226
01:06:06,255 --> 01:06:09,300
So, get the light right in them, you know,

1227
01:06:09,383 --> 01:06:11,927
so as much as the water, and you know...

1228
01:06:12,345 --> 01:06:14,889
'Cause there's no light source there,
so you kind of have to...

1229
01:06:15,181 --> 01:06:16,140
There's only the moon.

1230
01:06:16,223 --> 01:06:17,058
Yeah.

1231
01:06:17,141 --> 01:06:18,559
And it's still partly in fog.

1232
01:06:18,643 --> 01:06:22,480
And we actually added the moon later
because we felt we needed more...

1233
01:06:22,772 --> 01:06:25,107
Or like a clearer light source...

1234
01:06:25,816 --> 01:06:26,859
to be able to see anything.

1235
01:06:32,948 --> 01:06:34,617
This always hits me in the eye.

1236
01:06:34,700 --> 01:06:37,453
You know, it's
a strong white shot, suddenly...

1237
01:06:37,536 --> 01:06:38,621
- Yeah
-...from the dark.

1238
01:06:38,871 --> 01:06:40,623
But this is also one
of my favorite scenes.

1239
01:06:40,706 --> 01:06:41,707
And I...

1240
01:06:41,999 --> 01:06:43,042
- Is it?
- Yeah.

1241
01:06:43,542 --> 01:06:44,460
For what reason?

1242
01:06:45,086 --> 01:06:47,254
There's just a tone in it. I don't know.

1243
01:06:50,132 --> 01:06:51,634
The tone of the gangrene foot?

1244
01:06:52,218 --> 01:06:55,179
No, just... I don't know, just the tone of
the scene. Sometimes...

1245
01:06:57,264 --> 01:07:01,435
You know, for most viewers, this maybe
is one of the least exciting scenes.

1246
01:07:01,519 --> 01:07:06,524
Just the way you kind of lost your ways,
and you know...

1247
01:07:07,233 --> 01:07:10,861
She's changing mentally. There's something
happening to Tami, there.

1248
01:07:12,071 --> 01:07:15,032
You know, almost like
she might be losing it.

1249
01:07:15,783 --> 01:07:16,617
Yeah.

1250
01:07:18,119 --> 01:07:20,538
And kind of maybe losing him, as well.

1251
01:07:20,621 --> 01:07:22,832
So, it's like, she's kind
of holding onto something.

1252
01:07:22,915 --> 01:07:23,874
I don't know. It's just...

1253
01:07:24,542 --> 01:07:26,502
- There's something a little bit--
- Desperate.

1254
01:07:26,585 --> 01:07:28,963
Yeah, desperate and abstract that I...

1255
01:07:29,046 --> 01:07:32,133
Are we getting close to... Now things
start happening more in the movie.

1256
01:07:32,508 --> 01:07:36,303
And it was a balance thing, because during
this kind of middle part of the movie,

1257
01:07:36,387 --> 01:07:40,850
I really wanted to give you...
So you felt the time,

1258
01:07:41,475 --> 01:07:42,435
without boring you.

1259
01:07:42,893 --> 01:07:43,728
So, but I didn't also...

1260
01:07:43,811 --> 01:07:46,021
Because it's easy to just
chop it up and go fast.

1261
01:07:46,772 --> 01:07:50,401
But then I felt you would a little bit
of kind of the feel of the journey,

1262
01:07:50,484 --> 01:07:52,236
and the time it takes.

1263
01:07:52,319 --> 01:07:53,487
There's a balance of that.

1264
01:07:55,906 --> 01:07:58,743
And of course, there's a balance of
getting all this information in how long

1265
01:07:58,826 --> 01:08:00,077
and far away they are,

1266
01:08:00,161 --> 01:08:02,997
without putting too much exposition
to help the audience

1267
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:04,707
to understand a little bit the journey.

1268
01:08:05,499 --> 01:08:06,500
<i>Qnly...</i>

1269
01:08:07,376 --> 01:08:08,586
<i>Yeah, only baby.</i>

1270
01:08:11,213 --> 01:08:12,923
<i>No, no. Stay awake, look at me.</i>

1271
01:08:15,342 --> 01:08:16,635
<i>Look. Look, look, look.</i>

1272
01:08:18,262 --> 01:08:20,264
This moment, I think is really beautiful.

1273
01:08:20,806 --> 01:08:21,849
Right about there.

1274
01:08:23,517 --> 01:08:25,227
<i>I'm the one who crosses this horizon.</i>

1275
01:08:29,482 --> 01:08:30,649
<i>I'm a real sailor.</i>

1276
01:08:32,443 --> 01:08:35,070
This is one of my favorites,
the little look there. She's like...

1277
01:08:36,947 --> 01:08:39,366
not really knowing what's happening.

1278
01:08:41,035 --> 01:08:42,870
This actually, here, this scene...

1279
01:08:44,038 --> 01:08:45,748
which I really like.

1280
01:08:45,831 --> 01:08:49,418
The bird is used twice in the story,
and it's something that I love,

1281
01:08:49,502 --> 01:08:51,545
because it's nature talking to you.

1282
01:08:51,629 --> 01:08:52,463
It's a messenger.

1283
01:08:52,546 --> 01:08:54,799
Yeah, it's a little messenger
that comes twice.

1284
01:08:55,299 --> 01:08:56,509
With a different message, you know.

1285
01:08:56,592 --> 01:08:58,928
This is the day that
the entire crew got sick.

1286
01:08:59,220 --> 01:09:00,513
This is the first day of shooting...

1287
01:09:01,555 --> 01:09:05,184
on the water. We had shot a little bit in
the harbor, at the yacht club.

1288
01:09:05,684 --> 01:09:06,560
<i>I don't know, the wind must...</i>

1289
01:09:06,644 --> 01:09:08,103
But as I remember,

1290
01:09:08,729 --> 01:09:11,899
you were just...
Sam just puked before we shot this.

1291
01:09:11,982 --> 01:09:12,817
Yep-

1292
01:09:12,900 --> 01:09:14,652
And you were lying pretty much...

1293
01:09:15,069 --> 01:09:16,987
I was. I could not move.

1294
01:09:17,071 --> 01:09:18,113
Yeah.

1295
01:09:18,823 --> 01:09:21,534
I mean, look at that, look at how fast
we were going.

1296
01:09:21,617 --> 01:09:24,161
- The entire crew was in the cabin just...
- Yeah.

1297
01:09:25,162 --> 01:09:26,664
- Throwing up.
-...puking their brains out.

1298
01:09:26,747 --> 01:09:29,750
Yeah, we were just carrying
buckets of puke up from the galley.

1299
01:09:30,459 --> 01:09:32,294
And the toilets were stuffed.

1300
01:09:32,628 --> 01:09:33,712
Look at that.

1301
01:09:34,004 --> 01:09:35,631
And I loved it.

1302
01:09:36,715 --> 01:09:37,800
Because you weren't sick.

1303
01:09:39,468 --> 01:09:41,095
- No, it's the--
- You and Bob.

1304
01:09:41,303 --> 01:09:42,721
Yeah, yeah. No, it's...

1305
01:09:43,264 --> 01:09:46,225
It's also just that it got
everyone real, you know?

1306
01:09:46,308 --> 01:09:47,852
- Yeah.
- That, you know...

1307
01:09:47,935 --> 01:09:49,228
It took them kind of...

1308
01:09:49,770 --> 01:09:52,565
Because I remember, just before that,
everyone was like taking selfies.

1309
01:09:52,648 --> 01:09:55,192
"I can't believe we get paid for this.
This is the best job ever."

1310
01:09:55,276 --> 01:09:56,318
And then, suddenly...

1311
01:09:56,569 --> 01:09:57,486
- You know?
- Life hits.

1312
01:09:57,736 --> 01:10:01,365
Life hits, and then now
we have six weeks ahead of us, and...

1313
01:10:01,782 --> 01:10:03,200
1 O hours for that day, so.

1314
01:10:03,742 --> 01:10:07,162
So, I just...
It got real, and I love that.

1315
01:10:07,621 --> 01:10:09,331
- People get--
- And poor Sam in this scene.

1316
01:10:09,415 --> 01:10:11,876
- Yeah, there was quite a smell.
- He was in the cabin where it smelled.

1317
01:10:13,002 --> 01:10:14,044
<i>What if we just alter...</i>

1318
01:10:14,128 --> 01:10:16,964
But everyone got better, you know,
because people also got real.

1319
01:10:17,047 --> 01:10:20,801
They started taking their pills,
and having their little bandages,

1320
01:10:20,885 --> 01:10:23,470
which I loved their little sea band,
or what do you call it?

1321
01:10:23,554 --> 01:10:25,598
Yeah, the little acupressure points.

1322
01:10:27,057 --> 01:10:27,975
<i>You're right, let's do it.</i>

1323
01:10:30,311 --> 01:10:32,021
- We <i>need to</i> make sure...
- But I was also excited,

1324
01:10:32,104 --> 01:10:34,773
because you'd go out on the first day,
you've got really good wind, you know.

1325
01:10:34,857 --> 01:10:36,442
Okay, great, we actually...

1326
01:10:36,901 --> 01:10:39,904
And there were some waves,
and it doesn't always look like that,

1327
01:10:39,987 --> 01:10:41,822
but it was actually...

1328
01:10:41,906 --> 01:10:45,367
And Bob, the crane
broke down in one of these.

1329
01:10:46,201 --> 01:10:48,454
This was actually shot on a different day.

1330
01:10:50,372 --> 01:10:53,292
But the crane was...
Because it had it a...

1331
01:10:53,375 --> 01:10:58,005
We had like a technocrane out there with
an oculus head

1332
01:10:58,088 --> 01:11:00,841
it just doesn't go well with salty water.

1333
01:11:01,133 --> 01:11:02,009
- Yeah.
- And waves.

1334
01:11:02,301 --> 01:11:03,177
Turns out...

1335
01:11:03,260 --> 01:11:04,720
Turns out, you know.

1336
01:11:05,304 --> 01:11:07,139
Who knew? Electricity and water.

1337
01:11:10,851 --> 01:11:12,144
This is... Actually, there is...

1338
01:11:13,062 --> 01:11:16,523
There is a...
It's really hard to predict...

1339
01:11:17,524 --> 01:11:19,652
I love this. This is very kind of heroic,
her standing there.

1340
01:11:21,612 --> 01:11:22,613
<i>Look at that.</i>

1341
01:11:23,822 --> 01:11:24,823
<i>Wake up.</i>

1342
01:11:25,658 --> 01:11:26,700
<i>What do you make of that?</i>

1343
01:11:27,451 --> 01:11:29,828
I love that the sunset
and the sunrise is a theme...

1344
01:11:30,412 --> 01:11:31,455
-throughout the film.
- Yeah.

1345
01:11:31,747 --> 01:11:33,040
- And this red sky--
- It's a thread.

1346
01:11:33,290 --> 01:11:35,626
Red sky in the morning,
sailors take warning.

1347
01:11:36,418 --> 01:11:38,796
Red sky in the night, sailor's delight.

1348
01:11:39,755 --> 01:11:43,550
We, you know, used that kind of rhyme...

1349
01:11:45,177 --> 01:11:46,887
to play with it. I like that.

1350
01:11:48,430 --> 01:11:52,476
It's just a kind of little play they play
between them, and it calls back here.

1351
01:11:53,143 --> 01:11:53,978
<i>Finally.</i>

1352
01:11:54,979 --> 01:11:55,813
<i>It's red.</i>

1353
01:11:56,522 --> 01:11:57,439
<i>It's red.</i>

1354
01:11:57,523 --> 01:11:59,441
<i>Red sky in the morning...</i>

1355
01:12:02,319 --> 01:12:03,570
<i>Sailors take warning.</i>

1356
01:12:04,321 --> 01:12:07,825
I think it has to do with, red sky in
the morning, because there are clouds,

1357
01:12:07,908 --> 01:12:10,119
because they color the sky, you know,

1358
01:12:10,577 --> 01:12:12,830
so, there might be bad weather coming up.

1359
01:12:22,965 --> 01:12:25,050
Was that a copter shot, this?
Or is this a crane shot?

1360
01:12:25,384 --> 01:12:27,177
This is? No, this is a helicopter shot.

1361
01:12:27,261 --> 01:12:28,887
We went really close to you, and actually,

1362
01:12:28,971 --> 01:12:32,850
we had to change the costume
on you afterwards in visual effects,

1363
01:12:32,933 --> 01:12:36,145
because you had a hat
and a different shirt on.

1364
01:12:36,228 --> 01:12:39,064
And I just loved, there was something
about that shot I would try to find.

1365
01:12:39,481 --> 01:12:43,318
But I was like,
"This is a little bit unraveled,"

1366
01:12:43,402 --> 01:12:44,862
and it connected the scene really well.

1367
01:12:45,070 --> 01:12:48,157
Because they're expecting
another storm here.

1368
01:12:48,907 --> 01:12:53,579
There was not really a storm that came
in reality, it was a bit of squall.

1369
01:12:54,163 --> 01:12:58,208
Because we're now starting to juxtapose it
with the other storm,

1370
01:12:58,917 --> 01:13:01,462
here starts the storm, here we go.

1371
01:13:02,296 --> 01:13:03,922
Jesus, look at that thing.

1372
01:13:05,007 --> 01:13:06,008
So...

1373
01:13:08,260 --> 01:13:09,887
This was all filmed on a gimbal.

1374
01:13:10,095 --> 01:13:11,847
Yeah, it's filmed on a gimbal
in New Zealand.

1375
01:13:11,930 --> 01:13:13,474
And of course, there was
a lot of visual effects,

1376
01:13:13,557 --> 01:13:17,019
but there was a lot of water coming on,
we used a lot of practical water,

1377
01:13:17,102 --> 01:13:19,271
and the gimbal was going wild.
So, it was...

1378
01:13:19,354 --> 01:13:20,939
It wasn't easy even though it wasn't...

1379
01:13:21,398 --> 01:13:24,818
Because, you know, people might think,
"I thought they shot it all real."

1380
01:13:24,902 --> 01:13:28,197
But if you would have shot this real, we
wouldn't have brought anybody back home.

1381
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:32,034
Yeah, and insurance wouldn't have let
even stunt men do this, right?

1382
01:13:32,117 --> 01:13:35,412
No, no. They wouldn't even do it
over 3O knots, you know.

1383
01:13:35,496 --> 01:13:37,873
And I wanted to shoot as much
in weather as I could,

1384
01:13:38,332 --> 01:13:40,709
and we shot all the weather we could get.

1385
01:13:41,168 --> 01:13:45,714
But you wouldn't be allowed even to stand
on the dock in this kind of weather, so...

1386
01:13:46,381 --> 01:13:47,216
So there's no way.

1387
01:13:47,549 --> 01:13:52,888
But again, you know, I think they managed
to do a great job on the visual effects,

1388
01:13:53,806 --> 01:13:58,811
and also the way it's combined
together and worked.

1389
01:13:58,894 --> 01:14:03,023
And in my experience, you really need to
push it when you're shooting it.

1390
01:14:03,107 --> 01:14:06,527
It's not... You have to do everything you
can to get it in camera.

1391
01:14:07,152 --> 01:14:09,905
- You know, like--
- And not depend on visual effects.

1392
01:14:12,324 --> 01:14:13,408
<i>It's amazing, isn't it?</i>

1393
01:14:14,243 --> 01:14:17,663
<i>How just a little sheet can make
the whole world feel like it disappears.</i>

1394
01:14:20,332 --> 01:14:21,166
<i>Do you see?</i>

1395
01:14:21,917 --> 01:14:24,795
There's a little backstory
of Tami's childhood.

1396
01:14:27,339 --> 01:14:28,382
<i>When I was little...</i>

1397
01:14:30,008 --> 01:14:32,886
<i>my dad used to come visit
at my grandparents' house.</i>

1398
01:14:34,263 --> 01:14:37,266
<i>We never knew when he was coming,
he would just show up.</i>

1399
01:14:38,225 --> 01:14:39,977
<i>- When he arrived...
- We thought</i> about <i>for</i> a <i>while,</i>

1400
01:14:40,060 --> 01:14:41,812
maybe to shoot some of this,

1401
01:14:41,895 --> 01:14:45,899
but then I felt it would complicate the
movie and take it on the wrong track.

1402
01:14:46,275 --> 01:14:48,193
To shoot like the flashback?

1403
01:14:48,402 --> 01:14:50,154
The flashback of her small, doing this,

1404
01:14:50,237 --> 01:14:52,823
but then I felt, you know, that would
break the perspective.

1405
01:14:53,949 --> 01:14:56,869
I allowed for this only kind of two times,

1406
01:14:58,328 --> 01:15:01,248
and to stay in her kind of vicinity.

1407
01:15:03,167 --> 01:15:04,126
Close to her.

1408
01:15:04,209 --> 01:15:05,377
<i>Starting when I was about 10...</i>

1409
01:15:07,296 --> 01:15:11,633
'Cause flashbacks are delicate.
They can break the spell, as well.

1410
01:15:11,717 --> 01:15:12,551
Yeah.

1411
01:15:13,510 --> 01:15:15,304
<i>He would just fly into a rage.</i>

1412
01:15:17,931 --> 01:15:19,975
<i>Screaming and shouting and...</i>

1413
01:15:21,185 --> 01:15:23,478
I'm thinking a lot about memories
these days, you know,

1414
01:15:23,562 --> 01:15:25,981
-and how memories change--
- Affect us?

1415
01:15:26,064 --> 01:15:27,232
Affect us and change us,

1416
01:15:28,317 --> 01:15:29,902
and blend with dreams.

1417
01:15:30,194 --> 01:15:32,446
And, you know, somehow movies are...

1418
01:15:32,905 --> 01:15:34,198
<i>...when it was happening.</i>

1419
01:15:35,532 --> 01:15:39,036
They're so close to that, you know.
Because it's a visual thing.

1420
01:15:39,119 --> 01:15:42,873
Like memories, dreams is a visual element.

1421
01:15:45,417 --> 01:15:48,003
I love that part in Tree of <i>Life.</i>

1422
01:15:48,879 --> 01:15:50,839
There's a middle part where
it's just about memories,

1423
01:15:50,923 --> 01:15:55,427
and it's so beautifully done,
like brilliantly how I see memories.

1424
01:15:56,929 --> 01:15:58,430
Kind of fragmented, and you know...

1425
01:16:00,015 --> 01:16:01,767
- Just colors and...
- Yeah.

1426
01:16:01,850 --> 01:16:06,104
...moments, kind of essence of things.

1427
01:16:07,397 --> 01:16:08,232
Another episode.

1428
01:16:08,774 --> 01:16:11,109
<i>Hurricane Raymond is
now classified as a category four.</i>

1429
01:16:11,401 --> 01:16:14,363
<i>Mayday! Mayday! This is the sailing yacht
Hazana. Do you copy?</i>

1430
01:16:14,947 --> 01:16:18,825
Remember when we had cut half the boat
off you were standing in, actually,

1431
01:16:19,409 --> 01:16:21,495
-in the gimbal, it was the--
- Right.

1432
01:16:21,787 --> 01:16:23,163
<i>...we can sneak below it!</i>

1433
01:16:24,373 --> 01:16:25,457
<i>What did you say?</i>

1434
01:16:26,250 --> 01:16:27,584
Yeah, the boat was out in half.

1435
01:16:27,668 --> 01:16:28,502
Yeah.

1436
01:16:29,670 --> 01:16:31,129
'Cause we needed the interior, there.

1437
01:16:31,713 --> 01:16:33,674
'Cause we didn't really have the interior
on the gimbal boat,

1438
01:16:33,757 --> 01:16:34,716
because it was too heavy.

1439
01:16:35,425 --> 01:16:38,428
So, this half you're seeing into,
the rest was cut off the boat,

1440
01:16:38,929 --> 01:16:42,391
because we couldn't have the whole boat
with an interior on it.

1441
01:16:42,474 --> 01:16:43,767
It was too heavy for the gimbal.

1442
01:16:43,850 --> 01:16:46,436
- There's no way we could control it.
- Is that why it was cut?

1443
01:16:47,688 --> 01:16:49,022
So interesting, I never knew that.

1444
01:16:52,651 --> 01:16:55,195
So, there's quite logical issues
about, you know,

1445
01:16:55,696 --> 01:16:57,948
the trust boat, the--

1446
01:16:58,031 --> 01:17:00,242
'Cause we only one... Two boats, right?

1447
01:17:00,617 --> 01:17:04,913
Well, we had a boat
that was built first for...

1448
01:17:04,997 --> 01:17:07,666
Because when the boat is sideways
and pulled by the sail,

1449
01:17:08,041 --> 01:17:10,711
we needed to have that, and then we
brought that back to New Zealand,

1450
01:17:10,794 --> 01:17:14,631
while we were shooting on the boat
that was a real boat.

1451
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:19,553
I really like this shot,
it's just so aggressive.

1452
01:17:19,886 --> 01:17:21,596
I love how the water hits the camera.

1453
01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:24,057
It makes you feel like you are there.

1454
01:17:24,141 --> 01:17:28,979
Yeah, something I really wanted
to make you feel like it's shot and...

1455
01:17:30,772 --> 01:17:33,025
'Cause water would be hitting the camera,
if you were there.

1456
01:17:33,108 --> 01:17:35,277
So, it gives... All this kind of...

1457
01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:39,990
This was also, I would say, new,
and you know, not the first time, but...

1458
01:17:40,615 --> 01:17:43,827
beginning of these kinds of visuals,
people didn't really do that, you know.

1459
01:17:44,077 --> 01:17:48,790
I really liked in The Revenantwhen
the bear blows into the land,

1460
01:17:49,291 --> 01:17:52,377
and you just feel the animal is there.
Of course, that's visual effects.

1461
01:17:52,836 --> 01:17:53,837
But...

1462
01:17:55,922 --> 01:17:59,384
You kind of have to remind the people
that we're shooting this.

1463
01:17:59,468 --> 01:18:00,385
You know, it's not...

1464
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:08,727
Now, the big reveal is coming up.

1465
01:18:08,935 --> 01:18:11,897
And this was very delicate, we...

1466
01:18:12,481 --> 01:18:14,524
Very tricky.

1467
01:18:14,608 --> 01:18:18,195
To do this, I want to do this
very subtly, not forced.

1468
01:18:18,403 --> 01:18:20,614
Make it kind of lope,
but then also clear enough...

1469
01:18:21,323 --> 01:18:23,241
for the majority of the audience
to get it.

1470
01:18:23,867 --> 01:18:27,329
And because if they wouldn't
get it, you know,

1471
01:18:29,039 --> 01:18:32,334
they wouldn't have the emotional,

1472
01:18:32,918 --> 01:18:36,505
kind of... They couldn't be emotionally
in the movie, as we go on.

1473
01:18:36,588 --> 01:18:38,590
We see what happens now.
This is all one shot.

1474
01:18:39,007 --> 01:18:41,301
And it's a very
complicated shot we created,

1475
01:18:41,843 --> 01:18:44,346
you know, because it's practically shot,

1476
01:18:44,429 --> 01:18:46,765
you know, even though it's,
of course, not in the water,

1477
01:18:47,057 --> 01:18:48,600
because it wouldn't be possible.

1478
01:18:49,559 --> 01:18:52,312
But we wanted to be, again,
more in the perspective,

1479
01:18:52,396 --> 01:18:55,524
instead of cutting around it
and going out and wide scene.

1480
01:18:56,108 --> 01:18:59,236
You just, now you see it with them.
There's a huge wave.

1481
01:18:59,319 --> 01:19:01,947
- And there was 6O feet waves, at least...
- That's crazy.

1482
01:19:02,239 --> 01:19:04,116
...in the reality, that's in the book.

1483
01:19:04,699 --> 01:19:08,495
And the wind was blowing
over 100 knots, you know.

1484
01:19:10,288 --> 01:19:15,168
So, even though it looks exaggerated,
it's probably no less than it was.

1485
01:19:15,252 --> 01:19:16,586
- Than it surely was.
- Yeah.

1486
01:19:19,631 --> 01:19:23,385
So, we used the wave to turn the camera
around, to follow her, pull into her.

1487
01:19:23,969 --> 01:19:30,225
And now... the boat is in freefall
and hits the water, boom, she goes down.

1488
01:19:31,977 --> 01:19:33,520
Oh, God, watching this.

1489
01:19:35,897 --> 01:19:38,275
And this is why she is so bruised
in the beginning, you know.

1490
01:19:39,901 --> 01:19:41,153
And this is just brutal.

1491
01:19:43,405 --> 01:19:45,532
What was the decision
to have him hit that?

1492
01:19:46,158 --> 01:19:48,452
One of the ideas about that is just
to make it clear that...

1493
01:19:50,036 --> 01:19:52,789
this is different than what we experienced
when we saved him.

1494
01:19:52,873 --> 01:19:54,708
So, it will be even clearer that...

1495
01:19:55,876 --> 01:19:58,336
- He's definitely gone.
-...he's definitely put out, you know.

1496
01:19:58,420 --> 01:20:02,591
And there's a wound
on his forehead that we didn't see.

1497
01:20:02,674 --> 01:20:06,094
So, there's a continuity thing, you'd say.

1498
01:20:07,220 --> 01:20:10,807
So, the path that she imagined,

1499
01:20:11,933 --> 01:20:14,769
of course, she wouldn't have known
that this had happened to him.

1500
01:20:15,270 --> 01:20:16,146
- Right.
- So...

1501
01:20:16,229 --> 01:20:17,856
But also, I think, in that kind of...

1502
01:20:17,939 --> 01:20:20,859
You would pretty be thrust around
and pretty hurt.

1503
01:20:21,651 --> 01:20:24,070
And that's probably why
he couldn't go up, also.

1504
01:20:24,321 --> 01:20:25,363
Yeah.

1505
01:20:25,447 --> 01:20:26,573
He got knocked out.

1506
01:20:27,115 --> 01:20:31,077
And this shot was very important to me
to make it very, very simple.

1507
01:20:32,162 --> 01:20:35,332
So, it's not about
being gimmicky or clever,

1508
01:20:35,415 --> 01:20:38,585
it's about... staying with Tami.

1509
01:20:39,377 --> 01:20:40,962
For me, there was a choice of...

1510
01:20:41,046 --> 01:20:44,925
And I think we had this conversation
before we shot thoroughly,

1511
01:20:45,884 --> 01:20:47,844
that it's not that she thinks he is there.

1512
01:20:48,512 --> 01:20:50,972
She holds onto him
and she makes him up there.

1513
01:20:51,056 --> 01:20:54,684
But then she lets him go. It's more
of a decision, instead of discovery.

1514
01:21:05,529 --> 01:21:07,155
<i>I'll love you forever.</i>

1515
01:21:12,911 --> 01:21:15,330
And this is the truth.
People do hallucinate and see...

1516
01:21:16,373 --> 01:21:21,294
In her memoirs, she spoke
to him the whole time, to a voice.

1517
01:21:21,378 --> 01:21:23,421
Sometimes it was him,
sometimes it was someone else.

1518
01:21:23,797 --> 01:21:27,300
She even built him, you know,
some kind of part of him.

1519
01:21:27,384 --> 01:21:30,220
Now you see from behind,
he isn't there anymore.

1520
01:21:31,388 --> 01:21:33,640
And this is done very simply, you know.

1521
01:21:34,349 --> 01:21:35,308
And I think...

1522
01:21:36,601 --> 01:21:37,978
Hopefully people...

1523
01:21:39,771 --> 01:21:43,984
respond to it emotionally, rather than,
"That was clever filmmaking."

1524
01:21:47,821 --> 01:21:51,116
Yeah, I think it's so great that it's her
decision to let him go, as well.

1525
01:21:51,199 --> 01:21:52,033
Yep-

1526
01:21:52,117 --> 01:21:56,705
She knows that in order to survive,
she has to come to terms with her reality.

1527
01:21:57,789 --> 01:21:59,624
And I think it's all about that.

1528
01:21:59,708 --> 01:22:04,629
And how, maybe, the imagination
of him gets her over the worst of it.

1529
01:22:04,713 --> 01:22:06,464
And then, at some point...

1530
01:22:06,673 --> 01:22:08,550
For me, it's also five stages of grieving.

1531
01:22:08,633 --> 01:22:09,843
Right.

1532
01:22:10,719 --> 01:22:14,306
Which is, a little collegy, but...

1533
01:22:14,681 --> 01:22:18,393
if you think about, there's delusion,
and then there's acceptance in the end.

1534
01:22:18,977 --> 01:22:22,147
You know, have depression and anger,
and you know,

1535
01:22:22,772 --> 01:22:27,152
but once you've gotten through
the worst of the grief,

1536
01:22:27,235 --> 01:22:31,364
I think acceptance is a huge moment
to move on, you know.

1537
01:22:31,448 --> 01:22:33,617
<i>You're gonna love me even more.</i>

1538
01:22:46,212 --> 01:22:47,631
God, it was so heartbreaking.

1539
01:22:47,714 --> 01:22:49,883
<i>Then I wouldn't have us to remember...</i>

1540
01:22:50,133 --> 01:22:52,510
Yeah, and I think for me
it was very important,

1541
01:22:52,594 --> 01:22:55,180
and it was something we worked on...

1542
01:22:56,514 --> 01:22:58,850
during the shooting and during
the development of the script,

1543
01:22:58,933 --> 01:23:02,562
is to give her enough time after this...

1544
01:23:03,271 --> 01:23:06,858
so we could understand
and feel how the whole trip was.

1545
01:23:07,734 --> 01:23:10,820
You know, and I think that's very
important. I think it's also...

1546
01:23:11,738 --> 01:23:13,365
<i>I have to do this on my own, now.</i>

1547
01:23:13,740 --> 01:23:15,492
It's very important that it's not...

1548
01:23:16,409 --> 01:23:19,829
I don't want to go sappy, I just wanted
to go authentic emotionally.

1549
01:23:19,913 --> 01:23:21,873
You know, allow it to be very emotional.

1550
01:23:24,250 --> 01:23:26,753
Because we build in to this moment
for such a long time.

1551
01:23:34,844 --> 01:23:38,473
Oftentimes, you know, gaging emotion...

1552
01:23:39,307 --> 01:23:41,685
is about thinking how it's going
to affect the audience

1553
01:23:41,768 --> 01:23:44,562
more than how it's even going
to affect the actor.

1554
01:23:45,522 --> 01:23:49,693
You know, what is
the most emotional play for?

1555
01:23:51,319 --> 01:23:52,278
- Yeah, I think--
- The audience.

1556
01:23:52,362 --> 01:23:55,448
Because this is their reveal,
more than it's even Tami's reveal.

1557
01:23:57,409 --> 01:24:03,248
But I think what it allows for,
and we decided to, later...

1558
01:24:04,082 --> 01:24:06,751
give a more stronger emotion,

1559
01:24:07,377 --> 01:24:11,881
but it's more, as she's letting
him go, there's just this...

1560
01:24:13,383 --> 01:24:15,301
I think somewhat relief, you know?

1561
01:24:15,719 --> 01:24:17,595
And in some way, sadness.

1562
01:24:18,888 --> 01:24:20,306
As if saying goodbye to someone.

1563
01:24:20,598 --> 01:24:22,350
- Right.
- But then the grieving,

1564
01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:25,603
kind of more when we come to Tahiti.

1565
01:24:25,687 --> 01:24:27,856
This, I love. I really...

1566
01:24:28,481 --> 01:24:30,567
And this actually is based on a true...

1567
01:24:32,026 --> 01:24:34,529
- I think this is how it really happened.
- How it really happened.

1568
01:24:36,239 --> 01:24:38,283
- I think so, at least.
- I can't remember...

1569
01:24:38,366 --> 01:24:39,409
if this is or not.

1570
01:24:41,578 --> 01:24:43,079
Whether I made that up, I can't...

1571
01:24:44,289 --> 01:24:45,457
But it feels...

1572
01:24:46,040 --> 01:24:46,875
It's just...

1573
01:24:48,793 --> 01:24:54,340
Subtly allowing the bird to tell her
that she's coming to land, you know.

1574
01:24:56,926 --> 01:24:58,178
Like nature talking to you.

1575
01:25:01,890 --> 01:25:03,308
I remember, reading the script, for me,

1576
01:25:03,391 --> 01:25:05,518
it was this moment that
always made me emotional,

1577
01:25:06,394 --> 01:25:08,480
when she realizes that she made it.

1578
01:25:09,981 --> 01:25:11,816
Yeah, I think it's...

1579
01:25:13,234 --> 01:25:15,737
There are very different places
where people...

1580
01:25:15,820 --> 01:25:19,032
After they've seen the film-- Well, not
too many have at this moment,

1581
01:25:19,115 --> 01:25:23,620
but where the emotional moments
is strongest for them.

1582
01:25:23,703 --> 01:25:24,788
It's interesting to me.

1583
01:25:28,750 --> 01:25:33,880
I think this is one of the moments
that are one of the strongest to people.

1584
01:25:33,963 --> 01:25:36,049
Because there's some victory in it.

1585
01:25:36,132 --> 01:25:37,967
There's an achievement.

1586
01:26:07,956 --> 01:26:11,125
Actually, the moment here, I really like,

1587
01:26:11,543 --> 01:26:15,171
when the boat starts moving towards her
and she gets happy and emotional.

1588
01:26:15,255 --> 01:26:17,549
I think that's very
really beautifully done.

1589
01:26:27,976 --> 01:26:28,935
This.

1590
01:26:46,870 --> 01:26:49,205
I remember in the book,
this moment always got me.

1591
01:26:49,455 --> 01:26:52,625
Me too, when she raises
the British and the American flag.

1592
01:26:52,709 --> 01:26:55,503
It doesn't have the same impact
in the movie, for some reason.

1593
01:26:55,837 --> 01:26:59,966
But it did in the book,
because it's something about--

1594
01:27:00,049 --> 01:27:01,426
- Honoring both of them.
- Yeah.

1595
01:27:02,719 --> 01:27:03,553
Yeah.

1596
01:27:05,555 --> 01:27:07,265
And this was in the book, right?

1597
01:27:07,348 --> 01:27:09,893
When she talked about biting
into an apple for the first time,

1598
01:27:09,976 --> 01:27:12,520
having fresh food
for the first time in 41 days.

1599
01:27:13,563 --> 01:27:14,814
And the juice of the apple...

1600
01:27:15,315 --> 01:27:18,109
Yeah, I wanted just to give that full...

1601
01:27:19,319 --> 01:27:21,905
biting-apple moment, you know, no sounds.

1602
01:27:26,326 --> 01:27:29,495
And these shots, they came in
at the last moment.

1603
01:27:29,913 --> 01:27:31,039
I had them and I took them out,

1604
01:27:31,122 --> 01:27:34,375
but I really felt that I wanted
to feel firm ground.

1605
01:27:34,584 --> 01:27:35,752
- Yeah.
- Feel land.

1606
01:27:37,086 --> 01:27:40,131
- Yeah, away from the sea.
- Yeah, just land, you know?

1607
01:27:44,510 --> 01:27:49,933
And this one of my favorite
Tom Waits songs of all time.

1608
01:27:50,934 --> 01:27:54,646
I'd say there's very few people
who can sing,

1609
01:27:54,729 --> 01:27:57,815
"I love you, I love you, I love you
until the wheels come off..."

1610
01:27:58,232 --> 01:28:00,401
- Yeah.
-...without sounding corny.

1611
01:28:00,485 --> 01:28:02,195
- Yeah.
- But he gets away with it.

1612
01:28:02,278 --> 01:28:04,280
- He can pull it off.
- He can pull it off with that voice.

1613
01:28:06,115 --> 01:28:10,119
I'll never forget, shooting
this scene was so emotional.

1614
01:28:10,828 --> 01:28:12,622
More so, I feel, like, even just...

1615
01:28:13,414 --> 01:28:18,252
I just remember thinking about Richard,
the real Richard, while we shot this.

1616
01:28:20,296 --> 01:28:22,256
It was almost like I couldn't stop crying.

1617
01:28:22,590 --> 01:28:26,678
You could feel the energy and the love
that these two people had shared.

1618
01:28:27,553 --> 01:28:29,305
That's what I felt the most affected by.

1619
01:28:30,181 --> 01:28:31,015
Yeah, and I...

1620
01:28:34,519 --> 01:28:36,521
I really liked the way...

1621
01:28:37,772 --> 01:28:39,857
It's tricky when an actor has to...

1622
01:28:42,193 --> 01:28:45,238
give us a strong emotional performance.

1623
01:28:47,448 --> 01:28:52,078
And the way you kind of hold it back,

1624
01:28:52,161 --> 01:28:53,621
but then it just comes through it.

1625
01:28:54,497 --> 01:28:56,457
I think that makes it
very interesting for me.

1626
01:28:56,541 --> 01:29:00,878
Because then you're not
pushing the emotion.

1627
01:29:00,962 --> 01:29:04,841
You're trying to hold it back, but the
emotion is stronger than your hold back,

1628
01:29:04,924 --> 01:29:06,968
and there's a...

1629
01:29:08,094 --> 01:29:10,430
There's something very, you know,
strong for me in that.

1630
01:29:11,431 --> 01:29:12,724
Remember when you shot this little shot?

1631
01:29:12,807 --> 01:29:15,184
- This was the scene where--
- Supposed to be swells in the movie.

1632
01:29:15,268 --> 01:29:16,102
I just loved it there.

1633
01:29:16,185 --> 01:29:17,603
That's the scene that I...

1634
01:29:18,521 --> 01:29:19,355
lost a toenail.

1635
01:29:21,315 --> 01:29:23,818
My toe hit the anchor
and I lost a toenail.

1636
01:29:24,902 --> 01:29:25,737
I'm sorry about that.

1637
01:29:26,654 --> 01:29:29,157
- It looks so romantic without the toenail.
- It does, it does.

1638
01:29:34,829 --> 01:29:37,957
Maybe I've never told you that,
but also your nipple came out there.

1639
01:29:38,499 --> 01:29:39,917
- Really?
- Yeah, we had to--

1640
01:29:40,001 --> 01:29:41,377
Oh, my God that's so funny.

1641
01:29:41,461 --> 01:29:43,296
That's one of the visual effects
in the movie.

1642
01:29:44,589 --> 01:29:45,715
Cover up the nipple.

1643
01:29:46,466 --> 01:29:47,508
So, that was a, yeah...

1644
01:29:48,384 --> 01:29:49,385
That's funny.

1645
01:29:51,429 --> 01:29:53,806
Wasn't intended,
so there was no reason for it.

1646
01:29:55,433 --> 01:29:58,269
That was the one moment of nudity
in the film.

1647
01:29:58,352 --> 01:30:00,813
Or, I guess the second moment of nudity.

1648
01:30:02,065 --> 01:30:05,193
- Also I like this little play with the--
- The throwback.

1649
01:30:05,276 --> 01:30:08,571
The throwback to the kind
of the romantic places, the shadow.

1650
01:30:09,072 --> 01:30:13,117
Actually, I saw a picture somewhere
that kind of gave me this idea.

1651
01:30:13,201 --> 01:30:16,829
This like, the place is the shadow,
not the place.

1652
01:30:21,417 --> 01:30:24,462
<i>♪ I love you baby</i>

1653
01:30:24,545 --> 01:30:28,841
<i>♪ And I always will</i>

1654
01:30:31,761 --> 01:30:34,806
<i>♪ Ever since I put your picture... a'</i>

1655
01:30:35,807 --> 01:30:37,642
<i>-4' In the frame a'
-4' In the frame a'</i>

1656
01:30:39,602 --> 01:30:41,479
I love these little excerpts.

1657
01:30:41,896 --> 01:30:42,730
Yeah.

1658
01:30:48,653 --> 01:30:50,571
She was 24 years old, that was it.

1659
01:30:50,780 --> 01:30:53,282
Imagine 41 days alone out there...

1660
01:30:53,366 --> 01:30:55,326
- That's absolutely amazing.
-. . navigating...

1661
01:30:55,910 --> 01:30:56,786
...pulling it through.

1662
01:30:58,121 --> 01:30:59,372
See how much weight she lost?

1663
01:31:01,415 --> 01:31:03,709
And there she tells you,
that's, you know...

1664
01:31:04,335 --> 01:31:06,045
- The voice was him.
-"Richard kept me alive."

1665
01:31:06,129 --> 01:31:07,421
That's her with...

1666
01:31:07,505 --> 01:31:11,717
I felt it was better to have her say it,
instead of having the character say it.

1667
01:31:11,801 --> 01:31:14,011
I like that the real Tami says it,
you know.

1668
01:31:14,095 --> 01:31:16,180
So, that's why I wanted to put it there.

1669
01:31:17,056 --> 01:31:19,642
We got her down to...
She came down to Fiji,

1670
01:31:19,725 --> 01:31:22,854
and stayed with us,
and we decided to shoot her sailing.

1671
01:31:24,063 --> 01:31:25,857
Because this is the real woman.

1672
01:31:26,858 --> 01:31:27,692
A real hero.

1673
01:31:31,946 --> 01:31:33,739
Well, thank you so much for listening.

1674
01:31:33,823 --> 01:31:34,740
Thank you.

1675
01:31:34,824 --> 01:31:35,908
It's been a pleasure.

1676
01:31:37,618 --> 01:31:39,370
- Thank you, Shailene.
- Thank you.