1 00:00:24,140 --> 00:00:29,140 Subtitles by explosiveskull 2 00:00:55,281 --> 00:00:57,032 There's a whole new generation of people 3 00:00:57,116 --> 00:00:59,159 that they don't know 4 00:00:59,243 --> 00:01:04,331 what the breadth and width of Skynyrd is, 5 00:01:04,415 --> 00:01:07,126 and I say, "Have you heard Lynyrd Skynyrd?" 6 00:01:07,209 --> 00:01:09,044 and they said, "Yeah, yeah, 'Free Bird,' 7 00:01:09,128 --> 00:01:11,672 'Sweet Home Alabama.'" 8 00:01:11,755 --> 00:01:14,091 And I said, "No, I mean anything else?" 9 00:01:14,175 --> 00:01:16,594 "No." 10 00:01:16,677 --> 00:01:20,389 And I'd sit them down, and I'd play them stuff, 11 00:01:20,472 --> 00:01:23,225 and they'd go, "Wow, that's great," 12 00:01:23,309 --> 00:01:24,226 like that. 13 00:01:24,310 --> 00:01:26,854 One, two, three. 14 00:01:59,637 --> 00:02:02,306 ♪ Well, I'll tell you plainly baby ♪ 15 00:02:02,389 --> 00:02:04,642 ♪ What I plan to do ♪ 16 00:02:04,725 --> 00:02:07,144 ♪ Because I may be crazy woman ♪ 17 00:02:07,227 --> 00:02:09,897 ♪ But I ain't no fool ♪ 18 00:02:09,980 --> 00:02:12,274 ♪ Your daddy's rich, mama ♪ 19 00:02:12,358 --> 00:02:15,277 ♪ You're overdue ♪ 20 00:02:15,361 --> 00:02:17,279 ♪ Now I ain't the one, baby ♪ 21 00:02:17,363 --> 00:02:19,907 ♪ Been messing with you ♪ 22 00:02:19,990 --> 00:02:22,743 ♪ Got bells in your mind, lady ♪ 23 00:02:22,826 --> 00:02:25,412 ♪ Ain't it easy to see? ♪ 24 00:02:25,496 --> 00:02:27,998 ♪ I think it's time for me to move along ♪ 25 00:02:28,082 --> 00:02:30,584 ♪ I do believe ♪ 26 00:02:32,878 --> 00:02:35,547 ♪ I must be in the middle of some kind of conspiracy ♪ 27 00:02:43,806 --> 00:02:48,936 ♪ Oh, no ♪ 28 00:02:49,019 --> 00:02:54,358 ♪ Ooh ♪ 29 00:03:06,161 --> 00:03:07,997 Three members of the Lynyrd Skynyrd band 30 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,416 were among the six persons who died in the crash 31 00:03:10,499 --> 00:03:12,918 of that twin-engine plane near McComb last night. 32 00:03:13,002 --> 00:03:15,129 The plane apparently was running low on fuel 33 00:03:15,212 --> 00:03:16,297 and tried to make an emergency landing, 34 00:03:16,380 --> 00:03:19,550 clipped some treetops and crashed into a swamp. 35 00:03:19,633 --> 00:03:21,677 I just want to straighten out 36 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:22,886 that there's not a person by the name of Lynyrd Skynyrd, 37 00:03:22,970 --> 00:03:26,557 for those who are not so informed, 38 00:03:26,640 --> 00:03:29,685 and therefore that person cannot die. 39 00:03:29,768 --> 00:03:31,020 Ronnie Van Zant was the leader 40 00:03:31,103 --> 00:03:34,690 and the vocals you usually heard from Lynyrd Skynyrd, 41 00:03:34,773 --> 00:03:37,026 and he was one of the six killed in the wreck, 42 00:03:37,109 --> 00:03:40,362 and that's about the latest we have on it right now. 43 00:03:40,446 --> 00:03:43,907 Ronnie, he called himself the Mississippi Kid. 44 00:03:43,991 --> 00:03:46,910 I never understood that 'cause I'm from Mississippi, 45 00:03:46,994 --> 00:03:48,370 and I asked him about that one time. 46 00:03:48,454 --> 00:03:49,788 I said, "Ronnie, you know, wh..." 47 00:03:49,872 --> 00:03:50,998 and he said, "I don't know," 48 00:03:51,081 --> 00:03:52,124 but he died in Mississippi. 49 00:03:55,294 --> 00:03:59,339 See? His songs were really prophetic. 50 00:03:59,423 --> 00:04:00,966 Everything he ever wrote was true. 51 00:04:01,050 --> 00:04:03,886 It was a true story, or it came true later. 52 00:04:03,969 --> 00:04:06,221 Ronnie Van Zant, he's a prophet. 53 00:04:13,353 --> 00:04:15,564 Man, a lot of this I haven't been to. 54 00:04:15,647 --> 00:04:18,358 Well, it's all changed in this area. 55 00:04:18,442 --> 00:04:22,404 - You ever miss living here? - I miss the moss. 56 00:04:22,488 --> 00:04:24,990 There's no moss in Jackson or Atlanta. 57 00:04:25,074 --> 00:04:27,409 I never see it, anyway. 58 00:04:27,493 --> 00:04:29,828 I love moss. 59 00:04:29,912 --> 00:04:31,705 It's crazy, man, how long it's been. 60 00:04:31,789 --> 00:04:33,540 I know. 61 00:04:33,624 --> 00:04:39,588 The stories from the original band was 52 years ago. 62 00:04:39,671 --> 00:04:41,548 Most people can't remember that far back, 63 00:04:41,632 --> 00:04:44,093 let alone rock-and-rollers. 64 00:04:58,732 --> 00:05:02,194 So we came down to a baseball game here to watch Ronnie. 65 00:05:02,277 --> 00:05:05,614 He was on a baseball team called the Green Pigs. 66 00:05:05,697 --> 00:05:08,659 Ronnie got up and went bam and hit a line drive 67 00:05:08,742 --> 00:05:11,745 right to Bob Burns' temple. Boom, it hit him. 68 00:05:11,829 --> 00:05:13,122 Looked like a aspirin coming straight to me, 69 00:05:13,205 --> 00:05:16,959 and I wheeled around to... to turn, try to miss it, 70 00:05:17,042 --> 00:05:19,545 and it caught me right behind the shoulder blades 71 00:05:19,628 --> 00:05:21,922 and took every breath I ever had in my whole life, 72 00:05:22,005 --> 00:05:25,676 and I think Gary said it hit me in the head, 73 00:05:25,759 --> 00:05:28,095 but I... maybe it should have. 74 00:05:28,178 --> 00:05:30,013 So everybody running over. 75 00:05:30,097 --> 00:05:31,473 "Oh, you killed this guy. It's go..." 76 00:05:31,557 --> 00:05:33,600 you know, we thought he was dead. 77 00:05:33,684 --> 00:05:35,477 And Ronnie walked up and looks down there. 78 00:05:35,561 --> 00:05:38,939 He got this Mona Lisa type grin, you know? 79 00:05:39,022 --> 00:05:40,816 Like, a, "Well, I'm trying to act serious, 80 00:05:40,899 --> 00:05:42,484 but actually, I think it's funny as hell," 81 00:05:42,568 --> 00:05:44,903 kind of look, you know? And he went, "Sorry, kid." 82 00:05:44,987 --> 00:05:47,656 It came up that I had a guitar, 83 00:05:47,739 --> 00:05:49,408 and Bob played drums, 84 00:05:49,491 --> 00:05:51,118 and we said, "Ronnie, we know you sing. 85 00:05:51,201 --> 00:05:53,704 Why don't you come sing a song with us?" 86 00:05:53,787 --> 00:05:55,873 and he went, "Yeah, let's go," 87 00:05:55,956 --> 00:05:58,834 and we went down to Bob Burns' carport and played, I think, 88 00:05:58,917 --> 00:06:02,713 "Time Is On My Side" that day after the ballgame. 89 00:06:02,796 --> 00:06:05,132 We went, "Wow, this is great. Let's start a band," you know? 90 00:06:05,215 --> 00:06:08,802 ♪ Like to tell you all a story ♪ 91 00:06:08,886 --> 00:06:12,264 ♪ About a friend of mine ♪ 92 00:06:12,347 --> 00:06:15,809 And I was just still learning the chords and stuff. 93 00:06:15,893 --> 00:06:17,853 We said, "Let's get somebody that's got a guitar." 94 00:06:17,936 --> 00:06:20,939 It didn't matter who, just that they owned the equipment, 95 00:06:21,023 --> 00:06:23,817 and Allen Collins was in a band called the Mods. 96 00:06:23,901 --> 00:06:26,612 He had a amp and guitar, so we went looking for him, 97 00:06:26,695 --> 00:06:29,823 and he was riding his bike, and he saw Ronnie in the car 98 00:06:29,907 --> 00:06:32,034 and went riding his bike through the woods 99 00:06:32,117 --> 00:06:35,370 and climbed a tree way up tall so we couldn't get him. 100 00:06:35,454 --> 00:06:37,289 He thought we were gonna beat him up, or Ronnie was, 101 00:06:37,372 --> 00:06:41,585 and Bob had a little bit of a reputation too, you know? 102 00:06:41,668 --> 00:06:43,670 And we said, "No, no, Allen. Come down. 103 00:06:43,754 --> 00:06:45,881 We want you to play in a band," you know? 104 00:06:45,964 --> 00:06:48,550 Ronnie kind of raised Gary and Allen. 105 00:06:48,634 --> 00:06:50,219 Their fathers was gone. 106 00:06:50,302 --> 00:06:53,013 So we kind of were a family, and I mean, 107 00:06:53,096 --> 00:06:55,057 Ronnie kind of taught me and Allen how to drive. 108 00:06:55,140 --> 00:06:58,227 He was three years older, so he taught us all that stuff 109 00:06:58,310 --> 00:07:01,146 you learn when you're 14, 15, 16, 110 00:07:01,230 --> 00:07:03,649 driving and girls. 111 00:07:03,732 --> 00:07:05,317 He took care of the band 112 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,528 just like a father would a family, you know? 113 00:07:08,612 --> 00:07:11,406 And I wasn't real athletic, 114 00:07:11,490 --> 00:07:15,661 and I ended up playing in the school band, clarinet 115 00:07:15,744 --> 00:07:18,455 and then later saxophone, 116 00:07:18,538 --> 00:07:22,084 and I got tired of marching around all football fields, 117 00:07:22,167 --> 00:07:27,339 and one Friday night I decided I'd rather play teen dances, 118 00:07:27,422 --> 00:07:31,343 and that's when I got with Ronnie and the boys. 119 00:07:31,426 --> 00:07:36,431 Besides Bob Burns, Allen was the next-craziest person 120 00:07:36,515 --> 00:07:38,016 on the face of the earth. 121 00:07:38,100 --> 00:07:40,894 We all wanted Allen's bellbottoms. 122 00:07:40,978 --> 00:07:44,189 His sister made them. He was so tall and skinny, 123 00:07:44,273 --> 00:07:46,900 they looked good on him. If we would have tried them, 124 00:07:46,984 --> 00:07:50,529 they'd have been way too big and looked goofy on us. 125 00:07:50,612 --> 00:07:53,573 Allen was really loud, and when he came in the room, 126 00:07:53,657 --> 00:07:55,784 you knew it. He'd knock stuff over. 127 00:07:55,867 --> 00:07:58,412 He used to sniff glue when we first met him. 128 00:07:58,495 --> 00:08:02,374 We could put a model airplane together with his breath. 129 00:08:02,457 --> 00:08:05,961 Everybody took speed back then, little uppers. 130 00:08:06,044 --> 00:08:09,006 It was hard keeping a girlfriend or going to school 131 00:08:09,089 --> 00:08:11,008 or anything, learning stuff, 132 00:08:11,091 --> 00:08:13,593 'cause we just wanted to play guitar all night. 133 00:08:13,677 --> 00:08:15,387 Allen and I used to talk. 134 00:08:15,470 --> 00:08:17,472 We wished we could get thrown in jail with a guitar 135 00:08:17,556 --> 00:08:19,266 so that's all we could do, is play. 136 00:08:19,349 --> 00:08:21,351 Seventh, eighth grade, and we were just playing 137 00:08:21,435 --> 00:08:26,023 to teen dens and garages for people at school. 138 00:08:26,106 --> 00:08:27,983 They'd throw weekend parties, you know? 139 00:08:28,066 --> 00:08:30,277 And I quit sports, and we quit baseball, 140 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,822 and just music, music, guitar, guitar, guitar, 141 00:08:33,905 --> 00:08:36,992 that's all we thought, you know? 142 00:08:37,075 --> 00:08:41,580 We used to be called The 1%. Here's our first band card. 143 00:08:41,663 --> 00:08:46,335 It says the 1%. 144 00:08:46,418 --> 00:08:49,713 That's... was made in '64 or '65. 145 00:08:50,922 --> 00:08:53,175 That was our home phone number. 146 00:08:53,258 --> 00:08:55,677 Most everybody went to the high school here. 147 00:08:55,761 --> 00:08:57,804 - I just went to tenth grade. - Tenth grade? 148 00:08:57,888 --> 00:08:59,765 Then Leonard Skinner kicked me out. 149 00:08:59,848 --> 00:09:02,184 After gym every day you'd be getting dressed, 150 00:09:02,267 --> 00:09:04,353 and he'd walk through the dressing room 151 00:09:04,436 --> 00:09:05,729 checking your hair. 152 00:09:05,812 --> 00:09:07,481 If it touched your eyebrow 153 00:09:07,564 --> 00:09:10,025 or touched the top of your ear, it was too long. 154 00:09:10,108 --> 00:09:13,528 That was the rules, and he'd see that, 155 00:09:13,612 --> 00:09:16,031 and he'd kick you out to go get a haircut, 156 00:09:16,114 --> 00:09:17,866 and finally one day I just said, 157 00:09:17,949 --> 00:09:19,534 "I ain't coming back." 158 00:09:19,618 --> 00:09:21,870 There was a song called "Camp Grenada." 159 00:09:21,953 --> 00:09:24,998 ♪ Hello muddah, hello faddah ♪ 160 00:09:25,082 --> 00:09:28,168 ♪ Here I am at Camp Granada ♪ 161 00:09:28,251 --> 00:09:29,878 ♪ Camp Granada ♪ 162 00:09:29,961 --> 00:09:33,882 ♪ You remember Leonard Skinnerd ♪ 163 00:09:33,965 --> 00:09:36,635 ♪ He got ptomaine poisoning last night after dinner ♪ 164 00:09:36,718 --> 00:09:37,761 That's where I heard the name from; it's in there. 165 00:09:37,844 --> 00:09:41,556 I laughed my ass off. 166 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:43,225 A door would blow open. 167 00:09:43,308 --> 00:09:45,394 Nobody's there. "What the hell is..." 168 00:09:45,477 --> 00:09:47,771 "That's Leonard Skinnerd." They'd start laughing. 169 00:09:47,854 --> 00:09:49,147 They picked up on it a little bit, 170 00:09:49,231 --> 00:09:50,732 and they'd use it. Somebody's on the phone. 171 00:09:50,816 --> 00:09:53,151 Nobody's talking, see? Leonard Skinnerd. 172 00:09:53,235 --> 00:09:56,029 A noise over there, and there ain't nothing over there, 173 00:09:56,113 --> 00:09:57,239 it's Leonard Skinnerd. 174 00:09:57,322 --> 00:09:58,573 The dangedest thing happened. 175 00:09:58,657 --> 00:09:59,533 A year and a half later 176 00:09:59,616 --> 00:10:03,328 Gary got Leonard Skinner as a gym coach, 177 00:10:03,412 --> 00:10:04,454 and he was making them cut their hair, 178 00:10:04,538 --> 00:10:07,916 and here we were trying to be rock legends, see? 179 00:10:07,999 --> 00:10:10,085 Ronnie decided it was time to change the name 180 00:10:10,168 --> 00:10:12,129 'cause some of the people were saying 1% talent, 181 00:10:12,212 --> 00:10:14,589 and it pissed him off, so when we were thinking of names, 182 00:10:14,673 --> 00:10:16,174 I said, "Leonard Skinnerd." They said, "Where?" 183 00:10:16,258 --> 00:10:17,759 I said, "No, Leonard Skinnerd." 184 00:10:17,843 --> 00:10:18,343 They said, "Well, where, Bob?" 185 00:10:18,427 --> 00:10:20,220 "Name of the band!" 186 00:10:20,303 --> 00:10:22,097 and they... everybody just busted out laughing, 187 00:10:22,180 --> 00:10:24,224 and Ronnie said, "By God, that's it. 188 00:10:24,307 --> 00:10:25,225 You know, that is it." 189 00:10:33,191 --> 00:10:34,651 I was in this band, 190 00:10:34,735 --> 00:10:36,445 the Strawberry Alarm Clock, west coast band. 191 00:10:36,528 --> 00:10:38,697 We had a number-one record in the fall of '67. 192 00:10:38,780 --> 00:10:40,073 I had been to the South before with the Beach Boys, 193 00:10:40,157 --> 00:10:42,659 but you don't really see much 194 00:10:42,743 --> 00:10:44,369 when you're just going from hotel to gig, 195 00:10:44,453 --> 00:10:46,788 and I really liked what was going on down there. 196 00:10:46,872 --> 00:10:49,124 It was a lot more real than L. A. was. 197 00:10:49,207 --> 00:10:50,792 It just seemed, like, really down to earth, 198 00:10:50,876 --> 00:10:52,127 and I figured if there was any 199 00:10:52,210 --> 00:10:54,212 real good rock music happening, 200 00:10:54,296 --> 00:10:57,340 it probably had to be down there. 201 00:10:57,424 --> 00:10:59,634 When I saw Skynyrd play the first time, 202 00:10:59,718 --> 00:11:00,594 and I really liked them, 203 00:11:00,677 --> 00:11:02,804 particularly the lead singer, Ronnie. 204 00:11:02,888 --> 00:11:04,473 He was just so charismatic, 205 00:11:04,556 --> 00:11:06,892 and music just seemed to flow out of him, 206 00:11:06,975 --> 00:11:08,685 and I said, "Well, you guys got to keep on writing," 207 00:11:08,769 --> 00:11:11,146 you know, and a couple weeks later 208 00:11:11,229 --> 00:11:12,272 he called me at my hotel room, and he said, 209 00:11:12,355 --> 00:11:14,483 "I want you to come down to this club 210 00:11:14,566 --> 00:11:17,152 "called the Comic Book. We're rehearsing down there. 211 00:11:17,235 --> 00:11:19,112 We wrote a new song, want you to hear it." 212 00:11:19,196 --> 00:11:21,323 So I went right down, and they played me this song 213 00:11:21,406 --> 00:11:25,202 called "Need All My Friends," and a chill went down my back. 214 00:11:25,285 --> 00:11:28,330 It just... I was seeing it, you know? 215 00:11:28,413 --> 00:11:32,334 ♪ It's been so long since I've been gone ♪ 216 00:11:32,417 --> 00:11:35,545 ♪ Lord, I'm tired, and I want to go home ♪ 217 00:11:35,629 --> 00:11:39,424 ♪ My throat is raw from singing the blues ♪ 218 00:11:39,508 --> 00:11:44,679 ♪ Need all my friends to talk to ♪ 219 00:11:46,389 --> 00:11:48,350 ♪ Now, yes, I do ♪ 220 00:11:48,433 --> 00:11:54,523 ♪ Need all my friends to talk to ♪ 221 00:11:54,606 --> 00:11:57,442 I said, "I know you got a full lineup, 222 00:11:57,526 --> 00:11:59,277 "but if you ever need another guitar player or bass player, 223 00:11:59,361 --> 00:12:02,197 please give me a call 'cause I'd love to play with you." 224 00:12:03,281 --> 00:12:05,325 This pictures, this is my mother 225 00:12:05,408 --> 00:12:08,495 and my father and my sister and Ronnie 226 00:12:08,578 --> 00:12:11,623 in my mother's house up in Georgia. 227 00:12:11,706 --> 00:12:13,750 After I graduated from high school, I left home 228 00:12:13,834 --> 00:12:15,377 and ended up down here, 229 00:12:15,460 --> 00:12:20,549 and I was ready to get out of Waycross, Georgia, 230 00:12:20,632 --> 00:12:24,052 and I met Ronnie, and we were together, 231 00:12:24,135 --> 00:12:25,595 like, nine years. 232 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:27,389 When I met Ronnie, 233 00:12:27,472 --> 00:12:30,392 he was working at Morris Auto Supplies as his day job. 234 00:12:30,475 --> 00:12:31,518 As you can see in the picture, he has on a wig 235 00:12:31,601 --> 00:12:35,272 'cause you couldn't go to work with long hair. 236 00:12:35,355 --> 00:12:37,899 Dean Kilpatrick was my roommate, 237 00:12:37,983 --> 00:12:40,402 and I went over to the Comic Book Club with Dean. 238 00:12:40,485 --> 00:12:45,073 I met Gary first and then hung out with Gary and Dean, 239 00:12:45,156 --> 00:12:47,576 and then I met Ronnie, and, you know, 240 00:12:47,659 --> 00:12:49,077 after that was it, you know? 241 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:52,414 ♪ Woman of mine ♪ 242 00:12:52,497 --> 00:12:55,750 ♪ Can't let her go ♪ 243 00:12:55,834 --> 00:12:56,751 I know they were good, 244 00:12:56,835 --> 00:12:59,212 and I knew that they were passionate, 245 00:12:59,296 --> 00:13:00,839 and, you know, that's kind of 246 00:13:00,922 --> 00:13:02,674 why I told Ronnie to quit his job, 247 00:13:02,757 --> 00:13:05,176 and I worked, and he got to do what he needed to do. 248 00:13:05,260 --> 00:13:07,804 Musicians are a rare breed. 249 00:13:07,888 --> 00:13:10,724 It's, like, you know, it gets in their blood. 250 00:13:10,807 --> 00:13:13,602 They have to just go after it. 251 00:13:13,685 --> 00:13:16,938 That's Dean in drag. 252 00:13:17,022 --> 00:13:18,273 Dean was a character. 253 00:13:18,356 --> 00:13:20,233 I guess so. 254 00:13:20,317 --> 00:13:22,444 Dean actually dressed better in... like, in the band, 255 00:13:22,527 --> 00:13:25,113 and he looked like the rock star. 256 00:13:25,196 --> 00:13:27,782 He took... personally took care of everybody. 257 00:13:27,866 --> 00:13:29,910 Dean was the personal assistant. 258 00:13:29,993 --> 00:13:32,370 I guess that's a good title for him. 259 00:13:32,454 --> 00:13:34,706 He was from New York City and kind of wild 260 00:13:34,789 --> 00:13:36,625 and knew all the ins and outs of city life 261 00:13:36,708 --> 00:13:38,752 that we didn't know. 262 00:13:38,835 --> 00:13:41,296 He was, like, a bartender roadie 263 00:13:41,379 --> 00:13:43,965 where he took care of us really good, you know? 264 00:13:44,049 --> 00:13:46,343 Anybody who was sick or needed a little more attention, 265 00:13:46,426 --> 00:13:48,637 you know, he was just there for you. 266 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:53,058 He was like the big brother and sister and your mama 267 00:13:53,141 --> 00:13:54,893 and everything. 268 00:13:54,976 --> 00:13:58,146 I got a picture of him I keep out over there. 269 00:13:58,229 --> 00:13:59,981 I put it away recently 270 00:14:00,065 --> 00:14:02,734 'cause some... certain times I start missing people, 271 00:14:02,817 --> 00:14:06,029 and it's hard to see them every day without crying, 272 00:14:06,112 --> 00:14:09,532 and he was just a real great guy. 273 00:14:11,618 --> 00:14:13,203 As far as Ronnie, I go back 274 00:14:13,286 --> 00:14:17,040 before Gary and Allen and Bob and... you know? 275 00:14:17,123 --> 00:14:18,833 We used to play a lot of sandlot 276 00:14:18,917 --> 00:14:19,876 and hang out at the racetrack. 277 00:14:19,959 --> 00:14:22,504 I mean, what's better for 12-year-old kids 278 00:14:22,587 --> 00:14:25,173 than having a racetrack in your neighborhood, you know? 279 00:14:25,256 --> 00:14:27,175 And we were what you called west side. 280 00:14:27,258 --> 00:14:28,301 We called it shantytown. 281 00:14:28,385 --> 00:14:30,178 It was woods and swamps. 282 00:14:30,261 --> 00:14:32,931 People were blue collar, 283 00:14:33,014 --> 00:14:34,557 and a lot of people didn't get out of high school. 284 00:14:34,641 --> 00:14:36,434 There was a lot of people we grew up with 285 00:14:36,518 --> 00:14:38,353 didn't probably get out of junior high school. 286 00:14:38,436 --> 00:14:42,982 ♪ Have you ever lived down in the ghetto? ♪ 287 00:14:43,066 --> 00:14:47,278 ♪ Have you felt the cold wind blow? ♪ 288 00:14:48,988 --> 00:14:50,532 ♪ If you don't know what I mean ♪ 289 00:14:50,615 --> 00:14:54,536 ♪ Won't you stand up and scream ♪ 290 00:14:54,619 --> 00:14:58,123 ♪ 'Cause there's things going on that you don't know ♪ 291 00:14:58,206 --> 00:14:59,624 Look down here. The damn buzzards 292 00:14:59,708 --> 00:15:00,583 are in the road. 293 00:15:00,667 --> 00:15:02,210 Look there. Look at them. 294 00:15:02,293 --> 00:15:04,379 This is Johnny's 295 00:15:04,462 --> 00:15:05,547 - and Ronnie's old house. - Yeah. 296 00:15:05,630 --> 00:15:07,799 Y'all need to lock your cars out here. 297 00:15:07,882 --> 00:15:10,552 - Ha ha! - Wow, it freaks me out, Gary. 298 00:15:10,635 --> 00:15:13,179 - I know. It's weird, ain't it? - I know. 299 00:15:13,263 --> 00:15:14,848 I ain't been over here in I don't know when. 300 00:15:14,931 --> 00:15:17,767 - It just don't seem the same. - Yeah, I know. 301 00:15:17,851 --> 00:15:19,936 This is the old trophy room where daddy had 302 00:15:20,019 --> 00:15:21,688 all the gold records, and everything was in here. 303 00:15:28,153 --> 00:15:29,904 Daddy loved the music stuff, 304 00:15:29,988 --> 00:15:32,574 but my mom didn't care two bits about it. She was like, 305 00:15:32,657 --> 00:15:36,119 "Oh, them damn boys. When you gonna get a real job?" 306 00:15:36,202 --> 00:15:39,497 "They'll just play that music for a while. They'll grow up." 307 00:15:40,665 --> 00:15:44,002 Growing up in the west side, it was a bad area of town. 308 00:15:44,085 --> 00:15:45,920 There was a lot of rednecks, and, you know, 309 00:15:46,004 --> 00:15:47,964 being in a band and having long hair, 310 00:15:48,047 --> 00:15:51,426 people didn't like us, and they would come to fight 311 00:15:51,509 --> 00:15:53,595 and see who could beat each other. 312 00:15:53,678 --> 00:15:56,473 Ronnie was quite the choice before he got into music. 313 00:15:56,556 --> 00:15:58,683 Basically, Ronnie was into kicking ass. 314 00:15:58,767 --> 00:16:01,770 He wasn't scared of situations, you know? 315 00:16:01,853 --> 00:16:04,439 If there was ten guys coming at you with clubs, 316 00:16:04,522 --> 00:16:07,442 he just walked right to them. 317 00:16:07,525 --> 00:16:11,654 Jacksonville's got, like, five or six different navy bases, 318 00:16:11,738 --> 00:16:14,157 so we'd play a lot for sailors. 319 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:18,077 Now, what does a sailor want to do besides be with a chick? 320 00:16:18,161 --> 00:16:21,956 Fight. So we had to fight our way out every night, 321 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:25,084 and Ronnie would always win. Yeah, he was a great boxer. 322 00:16:25,168 --> 00:16:27,837 You know, it's not manly. When you went to school, 323 00:16:27,921 --> 00:16:32,425 you know, the athlete guys and stuff didn't do poetry, 324 00:16:32,509 --> 00:16:35,637 but Ronnie started making up poems about sports. 325 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,473 He used to put them in a three-ring binder. 326 00:16:38,556 --> 00:16:40,058 He used to have that under his bed. 327 00:16:40,141 --> 00:16:41,476 I remember spending the night under there, 328 00:16:41,559 --> 00:16:44,145 and he'd have his poetry in there. 329 00:16:44,229 --> 00:16:46,648 I can't say I knew another guy that was writing poetry 330 00:16:46,731 --> 00:16:48,775 when I was in high school, you know? I mean. 331 00:16:48,858 --> 00:16:51,569 We tried to write common songs, 332 00:16:51,653 --> 00:16:53,988 well, com... for common people, for the street people, 333 00:16:54,072 --> 00:16:54,989 and all the guys in Lynyrd Skynyrd are nothing 334 00:16:55,073 --> 00:16:56,991 but street people, stay off the streets, 335 00:16:57,075 --> 00:17:00,036 Skid Row, the whole works, 336 00:17:00,119 --> 00:17:02,372 and it's very easy for us, 337 00:17:02,455 --> 00:17:04,249 you know, to relate to that, you know? 338 00:17:04,332 --> 00:17:05,708 We relate to that much more than anything else. 339 00:17:05,792 --> 00:17:08,837 Lynyrd Skynyrd's home, of course, was not Alabama. 340 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:10,505 It was Jacksonville, 341 00:17:10,588 --> 00:17:12,966 and the group did not become a success overnight. 342 00:17:13,049 --> 00:17:15,552 In the beginning, back in the early 1960s, 343 00:17:15,635 --> 00:17:19,097 there were no fancy recording studios or gold albums. 344 00:17:19,180 --> 00:17:21,349 The group did a lot of their rehearsing right here 345 00:17:21,432 --> 00:17:24,602 in this field in Green Cove Springs. 346 00:17:24,686 --> 00:17:26,354 You ever come out to the Hell House much? 347 00:17:26,437 --> 00:17:28,106 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 348 00:17:28,189 --> 00:17:29,524 I remember it was a piece of crap. 349 00:17:29,607 --> 00:17:33,570 Yeah, it was horrible. 350 00:17:33,653 --> 00:17:35,363 Well, see, I don't see the slab. 351 00:17:35,446 --> 00:17:37,365 It should have been right arou... about here. 352 00:17:37,448 --> 00:17:38,158 - Right here. - Yeah. 353 00:17:38,241 --> 00:17:39,534 Right in here. 354 00:17:39,617 --> 00:17:43,163 Our road manager, Dean Kilpatrick, 355 00:17:43,246 --> 00:17:46,749 he knew of a cabin on the creek that was for rent, 356 00:17:46,833 --> 00:17:47,667 and he said we could rehearse there. 357 00:17:47,750 --> 00:17:51,004 We asked permission to rehearse, 358 00:17:51,087 --> 00:17:54,674 so that started the whole thing right here. 359 00:17:54,757 --> 00:17:57,510 Hey, we wrote "Free Bird' here, you know, 360 00:17:57,594 --> 00:18:00,555 and all the so-called hits. 361 00:18:00,638 --> 00:18:04,184 People used to come up in boats 362 00:18:04,267 --> 00:18:06,102 and come in and steal mikes 363 00:18:06,186 --> 00:18:08,938 or... not big things but little things. 364 00:18:09,022 --> 00:18:11,566 And then one day we came in, and a window was knocked out, 365 00:18:11,649 --> 00:18:14,152 and there was a whole amp gone, 366 00:18:14,235 --> 00:18:17,947 so we started staying out here with guns 367 00:18:18,031 --> 00:18:19,782 to protect our equipment every night, 368 00:18:19,866 --> 00:18:22,619 and whoever had to stay, you know, it was, like, 369 00:18:22,702 --> 00:18:25,288 their day in the barrel or something. 370 00:18:25,371 --> 00:18:27,373 It was terrible 'cause the mosquitoes 371 00:18:27,457 --> 00:18:28,583 would bite you all night. 372 00:18:28,666 --> 00:18:32,587 Roaches were everywhere, and gators, 373 00:18:32,670 --> 00:18:35,215 and there was rattlesnakes, water moccasins, 374 00:18:35,298 --> 00:18:37,550 anything you could find, you know? 375 00:18:37,634 --> 00:18:39,594 We didn't have any money or food or drinks or nothing, 376 00:18:39,677 --> 00:18:41,804 so it was hell, 377 00:18:41,888 --> 00:18:43,181 and we called it the Hell House. 378 00:18:45,892 --> 00:18:48,019 I bet you still catch fish down here easy. 379 00:18:48,102 --> 00:18:49,687 Oh, hell, yeah, you can. You can have a little... 380 00:18:49,771 --> 00:18:52,357 Well, something just turned right there. 381 00:18:57,862 --> 00:19:01,783 Barry walks in and plays me this tape, 382 00:19:01,866 --> 00:19:06,329 and I listened to it... you know, just a little bit of it, 383 00:19:06,412 --> 00:19:07,872 and I just immediately, 384 00:19:07,956 --> 00:19:08,665 the second I got the opportunity, I said, 385 00:19:08,748 --> 00:19:10,208 "I want to work with this band." 386 00:19:19,300 --> 00:19:21,219 This band was so extraordinary. 387 00:19:21,302 --> 00:19:23,304 We taught them how to count off the song, you know, 388 00:19:23,388 --> 00:19:27,225 so they..."Count off the song." They said, "What?" 389 00:19:27,308 --> 00:19:28,851 They didn't know... have a clue on how to do that, 390 00:19:28,935 --> 00:19:31,938 but they were so good and so disciplined 391 00:19:32,021 --> 00:19:33,982 and so rehearsed 392 00:19:34,065 --> 00:19:38,111 that I've never seen the likes of them since. 393 00:19:38,194 --> 00:19:39,737 We'd go back and forth all year, 394 00:19:39,821 --> 00:19:41,656 record, like, two songs and leave 395 00:19:41,739 --> 00:19:44,450 and come back a few months later. 396 00:19:44,534 --> 00:19:46,869 We'd have to go tour to get the money up, you know? 397 00:19:46,953 --> 00:19:49,122 'Cause we were paying for it. Everything was new to us. 398 00:19:49,205 --> 00:19:52,333 I mean, we'd never been out of Jacksonville ever, 399 00:19:52,417 --> 00:19:54,836 you know, never. 400 00:19:54,919 --> 00:19:56,462 Maybe to go camping out in the woods somewhere, 401 00:19:56,546 --> 00:19:58,631 but that wasn't out of town. 402 00:19:58,715 --> 00:20:01,342 We took our tapes, and we shopped it every way we could, 403 00:20:01,426 --> 00:20:02,844 ev... to every record company. 404 00:20:02,927 --> 00:20:04,804 Believe it or not, Lynyrd Skynyrd was turned down, 405 00:20:04,887 --> 00:20:07,724 and this is after hearing "Free Bird," 406 00:20:07,807 --> 00:20:11,519 now, turned down by nine major record companies, flat. 407 00:20:11,602 --> 00:20:13,771 They were like, "No. 408 00:20:13,855 --> 00:20:15,898 We don't want them, period." 409 00:20:15,982 --> 00:20:19,193 So we were traveling around, riding on amps, 410 00:20:19,277 --> 00:20:21,112 having no money, having empty bellies, 411 00:20:21,195 --> 00:20:25,533 just trying to make it, man. It was just hard times. 412 00:20:25,616 --> 00:20:28,703 Everybody was young and stupid back then. 413 00:20:28,786 --> 00:20:30,705 I was struggling. I didn't have a job. 414 00:20:30,788 --> 00:20:34,375 I was hurting, so I packed up and left. 415 00:20:37,170 --> 00:20:40,423 Leon was in a band called the King James Version. 416 00:20:40,506 --> 00:20:42,925 It was a Christian band, 417 00:20:43,009 --> 00:20:45,511 but they weren't really doing Christian songs. 418 00:20:45,595 --> 00:20:48,973 The first time I saw them, they were just real, 419 00:20:49,057 --> 00:20:52,226 you know, sort of a born losers type image, 420 00:20:52,310 --> 00:20:54,687 you know, the underdogs. 421 00:20:57,982 --> 00:21:00,068 Well, Leon could just play any bass part; 422 00:21:00,151 --> 00:21:03,029 you'd never have to show him anything. 423 00:21:03,112 --> 00:21:05,865 Any song you could start playing he'd play, 424 00:21:05,948 --> 00:21:07,492 and he was funny and goofy, 425 00:21:07,575 --> 00:21:09,118 and he was just a great addition. 426 00:21:11,871 --> 00:21:14,082 Noted musician and producer Al Kooper remembers 427 00:21:14,165 --> 00:21:15,041 the night he first discovered 428 00:21:15,124 --> 00:21:18,086 Lynyrd Skynyrd playing in a sweaty bar, 429 00:21:18,169 --> 00:21:20,380 what else, in Atlanta. 430 00:21:20,463 --> 00:21:23,007 The thing that caught me first was Ronnie. 431 00:21:23,091 --> 00:21:27,470 I hated him, and I liked him at the same time. 432 00:21:27,553 --> 00:21:30,056 I said, "This guy is weird, you know?" 433 00:21:30,139 --> 00:21:31,766 He got me into it first before anything else. 434 00:21:31,849 --> 00:21:34,268 I just couldn't take my eyes off him. 435 00:21:34,352 --> 00:21:36,104 He was a very weird front man. 436 00:21:36,187 --> 00:21:38,856 We loved Al Kooper's music, and he had just played 437 00:21:38,940 --> 00:21:41,567 with Hendrix on "Electric Ladyland." 438 00:21:41,651 --> 00:21:43,861 He did all the organ, you know, and would sit 439 00:21:43,945 --> 00:21:47,073 and tell us all the stories about how they recorded 440 00:21:47,156 --> 00:21:47,949 and what Jimi Hendrix did, 441 00:21:48,032 --> 00:21:50,159 and he had one of his black Strats. 442 00:21:50,243 --> 00:21:53,287 We'd just sit there and hold it, me and Allen, 443 00:21:53,371 --> 00:21:57,208 and just say, "Wow." It was mind-blowing, you know? 444 00:21:57,291 --> 00:21:59,627 I made a deal with MCA records, 445 00:21:59,710 --> 00:22:01,045 a label deal, and I called my label 446 00:22:01,129 --> 00:22:04,632 Sounds of the South, and I signed Skynyrd, 447 00:22:04,715 --> 00:22:07,635 and we set to work. 448 00:22:14,642 --> 00:22:16,394 That right there is an example 449 00:22:16,477 --> 00:22:17,854 of the people... you know, The Beatles. 450 00:22:17,937 --> 00:22:19,814 They're... they are the first people 451 00:22:19,897 --> 00:22:22,984 that really changed my style of music 452 00:22:23,067 --> 00:22:26,320 from a technical knowhow to a little bit of feel 453 00:22:26,404 --> 00:22:27,238 and a little bit of boogie-woogie. 454 00:22:27,321 --> 00:22:29,532 Billy Powell, our piano player, 455 00:22:29,615 --> 00:22:31,033 he used to be our roadie, 456 00:22:31,117 --> 00:22:33,828 and we didn't know he play... he'd said, 457 00:22:33,911 --> 00:22:35,830 "Oh, I play piano," but we didn't care, you know? 458 00:22:35,913 --> 00:22:37,665 We were guitars. 459 00:22:37,748 --> 00:22:39,584 He liked Yes and Emerson, Lake, and Palmer, 460 00:22:39,667 --> 00:22:42,879 and we didn't at the time, but one night Billy said, 461 00:22:42,962 --> 00:22:46,507 "If I ever played 'Free Bird,' this is how I'd play it," 462 00:22:46,591 --> 00:22:48,050 and we weren't even paying attention, 463 00:22:48,134 --> 00:22:51,262 and he started out with his... everybody 464 00:22:51,345 --> 00:22:54,140 in the room kind of went, and he played it all, 465 00:22:54,223 --> 00:22:57,143 and we were just going, "Oh, my God, Billy. 466 00:22:57,226 --> 00:22:58,352 We didn't know you were that good," 467 00:22:58,436 --> 00:23:04,484 so we fired him as roadie and hired him as keyboard. 468 00:23:04,567 --> 00:23:06,861 I was playing a nightclub in Greenville, 469 00:23:06,944 --> 00:23:09,530 North Carolina, with just a bar band. 470 00:23:09,614 --> 00:23:11,199 We didn't do any originals, but we really did 471 00:23:11,282 --> 00:23:12,575 some great cover tunes. 472 00:23:12,658 --> 00:23:13,910 Well, one night out of the blue 473 00:23:13,993 --> 00:23:15,995 I got a call from Ronnie at the bar. 474 00:23:16,078 --> 00:23:18,164 He said, "Look, you said you wanted to join up. 475 00:23:18,247 --> 00:23:19,540 You know, can you come down?" 476 00:23:19,624 --> 00:23:21,292 I said, "No, I don't have a car. 477 00:23:21,375 --> 00:23:23,961 Can you come up and get me?" He said, "I'll be right up." 478 00:23:24,045 --> 00:23:26,380 So yeah, they came up and picked me up, 479 00:23:26,464 --> 00:23:29,842 and I think we started rehearsal the next day. 480 00:23:29,926 --> 00:23:31,511 It was a real pleasant setting 481 00:23:31,594 --> 00:23:33,137 out in the middle of a pasture, 482 00:23:33,221 --> 00:23:36,224 but my either induction or punishment 483 00:23:36,307 --> 00:23:37,517 for joining the band 484 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:41,229 was to spend a whole week out there at night by myself. 485 00:23:41,312 --> 00:23:43,898 I mean, for me growing up in L. A. 486 00:23:43,981 --> 00:23:45,483 and you say touring with the Beach Boys 487 00:23:45,566 --> 00:23:47,568 and some of the people I had access to 488 00:23:47,652 --> 00:23:50,738 is a completely different environment. 489 00:23:50,821 --> 00:23:52,865 I wasn't sure if I was gonna... going 490 00:23:52,949 --> 00:23:55,243 to survive in this environment, 491 00:23:55,326 --> 00:23:56,244 but I was willing to give it a shot, 492 00:23:56,327 --> 00:23:58,746 and everything was real strange to me. 493 00:23:58,829 --> 00:24:00,122 What can I say? I just felt so out of place. 494 00:24:00,206 --> 00:24:03,584 I think I felt out of place the whole time, 495 00:24:03,668 --> 00:24:05,378 but that first day I really felt out of place. 496 00:24:12,885 --> 00:24:15,680 You know, there was all those cows at the Hell House, 497 00:24:15,763 --> 00:24:18,432 so every morning we would go out 498 00:24:18,516 --> 00:24:19,433 and get psilocybin mushrooms 499 00:24:19,517 --> 00:24:23,187 from all the cow patties and make tea, 500 00:24:23,271 --> 00:24:27,483 so we had a big pot of tea on the stove all day, 501 00:24:27,567 --> 00:24:30,987 mushroom tea, and if you'd take a few sips, 502 00:24:31,070 --> 00:24:33,864 and you'd be tripping, you know? 503 00:24:33,948 --> 00:24:35,575 The keyboard would be floating, 504 00:24:35,658 --> 00:24:39,620 or I watched the notes coming out of my amp. 505 00:24:39,704 --> 00:24:43,457 We would just talk and feel each other's stuff come out, 506 00:24:43,541 --> 00:24:44,667 you know? 507 00:24:47,587 --> 00:24:49,922 Well, when I joined the band, the music is the thing 508 00:24:50,006 --> 00:24:51,966 that really threw me more than the people. 509 00:24:52,049 --> 00:24:54,176 They had really come up with such original tunes. 510 00:24:54,260 --> 00:24:57,513 I didn't expect them to have progressed that much. 511 00:25:02,226 --> 00:25:05,479 ♪ I was cutting the rug down at a place called the Jug ♪ 512 00:25:05,563 --> 00:25:08,566 ♪ With a girl named Linda Lou ♪ 513 00:25:09,650 --> 00:25:12,236 ♪ Well, in walked a man with a gun in his hand ♪ 514 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,488 ♪ And he was looking for you know who ♪ 515 00:25:14,572 --> 00:25:17,658 The day rehearsal would be pretty much like this. 516 00:25:17,742 --> 00:25:19,368 Everybody shows up, puts on a guitar, 517 00:25:19,452 --> 00:25:21,454 and Ronnie'd go, "Well, you have any ideas? 518 00:25:21,537 --> 00:25:23,122 Anything come to you last night?" 519 00:25:23,205 --> 00:25:23,831 The chances were real good that one of us 520 00:25:23,914 --> 00:25:25,875 had something on any day. 521 00:25:25,958 --> 00:25:27,293 That was the one advantage 522 00:25:27,376 --> 00:25:28,586 to having three guitar players. 523 00:25:28,669 --> 00:25:30,171 We'd just keep playing till we found something he liked. 524 00:25:30,254 --> 00:25:32,214 Once he'd write a lyric, well, there you go. 525 00:25:32,298 --> 00:25:34,050 Our work's cut out for us for the day. 526 00:25:34,133 --> 00:25:37,178 Each line of each song we knew, 527 00:25:37,261 --> 00:25:39,263 and we'd break them down at the Hell House, 528 00:25:39,347 --> 00:25:41,223 and me and Leon would just play it, then me and Bob, 529 00:25:41,307 --> 00:25:44,018 then Leon and Bob, then me and Allen. 530 00:25:44,101 --> 00:25:47,355 We'd play all day the same song 531 00:25:47,438 --> 00:25:48,439 over and over and over and over. 532 00:25:48,522 --> 00:25:51,108 I mean, what musicians do you know would get up 533 00:25:51,192 --> 00:25:53,027 at 7:30 in the morning and be out there by 8:30? 534 00:25:53,110 --> 00:25:56,280 Nobody, but we would, you know, and that was the thing 535 00:25:56,364 --> 00:25:58,074 that Ronnie was able to pull together, 536 00:25:58,157 --> 00:25:59,867 was guys that just really wanted to work. 537 00:25:59,950 --> 00:26:01,702 It was really productive. 538 00:26:01,786 --> 00:26:04,288 It was the most fun part about being in that band, 539 00:26:04,372 --> 00:26:06,207 was going out there in the heat in Hell House 540 00:26:06,290 --> 00:26:08,793 and writing these tunes, 'cause you never knew 541 00:26:08,876 --> 00:26:10,336 what you were gonna write. 542 00:26:10,419 --> 00:26:12,046 I mean, for the musician that just loves to play 543 00:26:12,129 --> 00:26:13,297 it was a dream job, even with the heat 544 00:26:13,381 --> 00:26:16,050 and everything, sweating all over your guitar. 545 00:26:16,133 --> 00:26:17,760 It was perfect. 546 00:26:17,843 --> 00:26:21,514 Hell House was the reward, really, yeah. 547 00:26:21,597 --> 00:26:25,726 Patrol's at the crash site now trying to determine 548 00:26:25,810 --> 00:26:28,479 why a plane carrying the Lynyrd Skynyrd entourage 549 00:26:28,562 --> 00:26:29,230 crashed near McComb last night. 550 00:26:29,313 --> 00:26:34,068 At 7:47 Eastern Daylight Time, 551 00:26:34,151 --> 00:26:37,738 the aircraft disappeared from the radar scope, 552 00:26:37,822 --> 00:26:39,532 and they lost radio contact. 553 00:26:39,615 --> 00:26:41,992 The FAA's Jack Barker says the thick woods 554 00:26:42,076 --> 00:26:46,706 made the crash site difficult to both find and get to. 555 00:26:46,789 --> 00:26:49,792 If you dig around right here right now in this general area, 556 00:26:49,875 --> 00:26:54,255 you're gonna find something, I promise you, 557 00:26:54,338 --> 00:26:55,506 just scrap pieces that have been here, and it's aluminum. 558 00:26:55,589 --> 00:26:59,343 It won't rust, so it's lasted forever, you know? 559 00:26:59,427 --> 00:27:03,013 Holy smokes, look at there. Look what I found, boys. 560 00:27:04,515 --> 00:27:09,353 Mm, here we go. Now... good lord. 561 00:27:09,437 --> 00:27:14,900 That's a piece of the plane. Look at that. That's it. 562 00:27:14,984 --> 00:27:17,903 - Yeah, that's it. - It's got the rivet hole. 563 00:27:17,987 --> 00:27:21,449 It's gotten a little corroded. Man, look at that. 564 00:27:26,412 --> 00:27:29,123 Somebody, we don't know who, put a marker here for... just 565 00:27:29,206 --> 00:27:32,960 last... on the 20th, I understand. 566 00:27:33,043 --> 00:27:34,712 It just happens to be that is the spot 567 00:27:34,795 --> 00:27:38,340 where the plane... the nose of the plane hit right there. 568 00:27:38,424 --> 00:27:40,968 Most people don't know where the plane crashed. 569 00:27:41,051 --> 00:27:43,929 - Right. - Very few can tell you. 570 00:27:44,013 --> 00:27:46,056 They just come this way and start asking. 571 00:27:46,140 --> 00:27:48,976 We're 40 years past it now, 572 00:27:49,059 --> 00:27:51,312 and I was 11 years old and three hours north of here, 573 00:27:51,395 --> 00:27:53,606 but I knew what had happened, you know? 574 00:27:53,689 --> 00:27:56,192 Well, I just always wanted to find the story, the plane, 575 00:27:56,275 --> 00:27:58,819 the site, the whatever, and the next thing I know 576 00:27:58,903 --> 00:28:01,113 I've talked to 20, 30 people and gotten all their stories 577 00:28:01,197 --> 00:28:03,115 that were here that night. 578 00:28:03,199 --> 00:28:04,658 You just don't forget it. 579 00:28:04,742 --> 00:28:06,827 I mean, it's something, you know, 580 00:28:06,911 --> 00:28:10,789 tragic that's gonna be in your mind always. 581 00:28:10,873 --> 00:28:13,250 See, by the time they got to the... right in here, 582 00:28:13,334 --> 00:28:15,377 this point, they didn't have any wings anymore. 583 00:28:15,461 --> 00:28:16,879 They broke them off back there. 584 00:28:16,962 --> 00:28:19,089 It was just fuselage, and that was it. 585 00:28:19,173 --> 00:28:23,344 Big split came down like a... and went across this way, 586 00:28:23,427 --> 00:28:25,387 and when I pulled it up like that, 587 00:28:25,471 --> 00:28:28,557 you know, just a big space, and then somebody on the ground 588 00:28:28,641 --> 00:28:31,936 gave me a big, long stick to prop it up. 589 00:28:32,019 --> 00:28:33,604 I shined my flashlight up in there, 590 00:28:33,687 --> 00:28:36,023 and my first thought's, you know, 591 00:28:36,106 --> 00:28:37,191 "What's a bunch of hippies doing on an airplane?" 592 00:28:37,274 --> 00:28:40,444 'cause back in those days hippies 593 00:28:40,528 --> 00:28:41,862 usually didn't have any money. 594 00:28:41,946 --> 00:28:43,531 You know, they were broke. 595 00:28:43,614 --> 00:28:44,490 But the playing cards 596 00:28:44,573 --> 00:28:48,577 was just... covered everything, you know? 597 00:28:48,661 --> 00:28:52,122 And people were moaning, you know, "Get me out of here," 598 00:28:52,206 --> 00:28:55,584 and, you know, we was just farm boys. 599 00:28:55,668 --> 00:28:56,794 We didn't know what we were doing, really, 600 00:28:56,877 --> 00:28:58,462 but we just got them out. I mean, it's just that simple. 601 00:28:58,546 --> 00:29:01,507 Dwayne's sister, one thing she told me, 602 00:29:01,590 --> 00:29:03,717 that all up in the trees... she said, 603 00:29:03,801 --> 00:29:05,302 "From their suitcases busting open 604 00:29:05,386 --> 00:29:07,721 and all that stuff, there were socks." 605 00:29:07,805 --> 00:29:10,224 She said, "Just socks went everywhere," you know? 606 00:29:10,307 --> 00:29:12,226 It was like Christmas, like tinsel. 607 00:29:12,309 --> 00:29:13,894 The boys walked up to me and told me, 608 00:29:13,978 --> 00:29:16,355 they said, you know, "You know who this is?" 609 00:29:16,438 --> 00:29:17,773 I said, "No, hmm-mm." 610 00:29:17,856 --> 00:29:19,441 He said, "It's the Lynyrd Skynyrd band." 611 00:29:19,525 --> 00:29:20,359 I thought he was lying. 612 00:29:20,442 --> 00:29:22,945 They did a pretty dang good job. 613 00:29:23,028 --> 00:29:25,239 It's the best thing you can ever say 614 00:29:25,322 --> 00:29:27,283 for just a group of come-together farmers 615 00:29:27,366 --> 00:29:29,201 and loggers and ranchers and stuff like that 616 00:29:29,285 --> 00:29:30,119 and then a little volunteer fire department. 617 00:29:30,202 --> 00:29:32,454 They saved 20 lives. 618 00:29:32,538 --> 00:29:33,747 Let's give them full credit for that. 619 00:29:33,831 --> 00:29:36,417 You know, the band wouldn't have still be going on today 620 00:29:36,500 --> 00:29:37,501 had they not done what they did. 621 00:29:39,670 --> 00:29:41,755 It's just an old memory now, you know? 622 00:29:44,717 --> 00:29:48,596 ♪ Train roll on ♪ 623 00:29:48,679 --> 00:29:52,558 ♪ On down the line ♪ 624 00:29:52,641 --> 00:29:58,772 ♪ Won't you please take me far away? ♪ 625 00:30:04,111 --> 00:30:08,282 ♪ Now, I feel the wind blow ♪ 626 00:30:08,365 --> 00:30:13,287 ♪ Outside my door ♪ 627 00:30:13,370 --> 00:30:20,961 ♪ I'm leaving my woman at home ♪ 628 00:30:21,045 --> 00:30:24,214 ♪ Oh, yeah ♪ 629 00:30:24,298 --> 00:30:28,135 ♪ Tuesday's gone with the wind ♪ 630 00:30:28,218 --> 00:30:29,595 Do people literally knock on your door? 631 00:30:29,678 --> 00:30:31,305 - Oh, yes. - "Hey, I heard Skynyrd 632 00:30:31,388 --> 00:30:33,474 - recorded here?" - Yup, they do. 633 00:30:33,557 --> 00:30:36,560 A couple times a year they'll come in, and we'll show them 634 00:30:36,644 --> 00:30:40,022 and just walk them over to the warehouse and, 635 00:30:40,105 --> 00:30:40,689 like, "This is where it was." 636 00:30:43,942 --> 00:30:46,153 Can't do that now, but you kind of came through here 637 00:30:46,236 --> 00:30:50,908 and just opened up the door to the control room, 638 00:30:50,991 --> 00:30:54,662 and you walked up these steps, and you were there in the room. 639 00:30:54,745 --> 00:30:57,998 Besides Al Kooper, I was kind of the main engineer 640 00:30:58,082 --> 00:30:59,917 for that first album. 641 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,377 We really got lucky on sound 'cause when we started 642 00:31:01,460 --> 00:31:04,546 utilizing the acoustics of the room, 643 00:31:04,630 --> 00:31:08,592 it was really a great space to record guitars 644 00:31:08,676 --> 00:31:12,763 because where it was the sound like a live room. 645 00:31:12,846 --> 00:31:16,016 Any studio, to us, was cool as hell 646 00:31:16,100 --> 00:31:18,519 because it was a recording studio. 647 00:31:18,602 --> 00:31:20,479 We were really loose in there. 648 00:31:20,562 --> 00:31:22,940 It was real laid back, and we'd all sit in 649 00:31:23,023 --> 00:31:27,027 and listen to every part of every song of every mix 650 00:31:27,111 --> 00:31:28,487 'cause where was the cooler place to be, 651 00:31:28,570 --> 00:31:34,034 the hotel sitting or at the studio? 652 00:31:34,118 --> 00:31:35,703 ♪ Daddy was a Cajun, baby ♪ 653 00:31:35,786 --> 00:31:39,039 ♪ Raised on Southern land ♪ 654 00:31:39,123 --> 00:31:41,875 ♪ And so my kinfolks tell me ♪ 655 00:31:41,959 --> 00:31:45,212 ♪ Was a street fighting man ♪ 656 00:31:45,295 --> 00:31:46,338 Over the course of the album, 657 00:31:46,422 --> 00:31:50,592 I learned how they worked. 658 00:31:50,676 --> 00:31:54,888 They had an amazing methodology. 659 00:31:54,972 --> 00:31:58,809 They had that rehearsal place out in the swamp, 660 00:31:58,892 --> 00:32:01,311 and there was no improvisation whatsoever 661 00:32:01,395 --> 00:32:04,440 once they left the swamp. 662 00:32:04,523 --> 00:32:08,026 Now, as a producer, that's a godsend. 663 00:32:08,110 --> 00:32:11,488 All the guitar solos and keyboard solos 664 00:32:11,572 --> 00:32:14,742 were always played exactly the same. 665 00:32:14,825 --> 00:32:18,996 I never heard of such a thing, and they were great solos. 666 00:32:21,999 --> 00:32:24,001 I remember back to doing solos 667 00:32:24,084 --> 00:32:25,335 with Allen Collins, and when he got through 668 00:32:25,419 --> 00:32:28,922 I cried, it just was so emotional. 669 00:32:29,006 --> 00:32:30,132 I mean, the way he performed, 670 00:32:30,215 --> 00:32:33,552 you know, his whole body was into it and everything. 671 00:32:33,635 --> 00:32:35,971 We all kind of helped Billy. 672 00:32:36,054 --> 00:32:38,223 He wasn't no rock and roll piano player. 673 00:32:38,307 --> 00:32:40,225 He was trained classical, so we had to say, 674 00:32:40,309 --> 00:32:42,519 "Don't play all that there. 675 00:32:42,603 --> 00:32:44,438 Just go dink-dink-dink-dink-dink." 676 00:32:44,521 --> 00:32:48,192 He'd go, "What? I can't just do that the whole song," 677 00:32:48,275 --> 00:32:50,444 but that would be great, really fit. 678 00:32:50,527 --> 00:32:53,530 Really, it was a piano record 679 00:32:53,614 --> 00:32:56,158 much as it is a three-guitar army record. 680 00:32:56,241 --> 00:32:57,868 That's what made them Skynyrd, 681 00:32:57,951 --> 00:33:00,621 was them having different styles in the band. 682 00:33:00,704 --> 00:33:03,123 The first album cover shows me standing there 683 00:33:03,207 --> 00:33:05,250 all by myself on the far right-hand side, 684 00:33:05,334 --> 00:33:08,086 and that was the last shot of a all-day photo shoot, 685 00:33:08,170 --> 00:33:10,214 and there's a lightning bolt going right through my head. 686 00:33:10,297 --> 00:33:13,300 ♪ Drank ole poison whiskey ♪ 687 00:33:13,383 --> 00:33:14,968 And right after that, 688 00:33:15,052 --> 00:33:15,761 Gary got up and threw up on the curb. 689 00:33:15,844 --> 00:33:20,265 ♪ Don't you drink it, boy ♪ 690 00:33:20,349 --> 00:33:23,977 ♪ Play guitar ♪ 691 00:33:24,061 --> 00:33:26,063 We are about to take an interview 692 00:33:26,146 --> 00:33:28,982 of Ronnie Van Zant, singer, songwriter, 693 00:33:29,066 --> 00:33:31,360 and lead redneck of the pride 694 00:33:31,443 --> 00:33:32,945 of Jacksonville, Lynyrd Skynyrd. 695 00:33:33,028 --> 00:33:36,031 We play exactly what we like to play, and personally, 696 00:33:36,114 --> 00:33:40,619 we did like to play country and blues, stuff like that, 697 00:33:40,702 --> 00:33:42,329 but Lynyrd Skynyrd's a rock 698 00:33:42,412 --> 00:33:44,248 and roll band and boogie-woogie. 699 00:33:44,331 --> 00:33:48,085 That's what we get paid to do, and this... we like that too. 700 00:33:48,168 --> 00:33:49,503 Ronnie, his writing has seeped 701 00:33:49,586 --> 00:33:54,508 into my sad blues guy kind of voice. 702 00:33:59,012 --> 00:34:01,557 When I first picked up guitar when I was 14, 703 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,393 I would go up into my dad's music room. 704 00:34:04,476 --> 00:34:05,727 I'd play guitar to a bunch of Allman Brothers records, 705 00:34:05,811 --> 00:34:09,356 and that's kind of how I fell into that, like, 706 00:34:09,439 --> 00:34:12,025 '70s Southern rock world. 707 00:34:12,109 --> 00:34:15,696 ♪ Mama told me ♪ 708 00:34:15,779 --> 00:34:20,367 ♪ When I was young ♪ 709 00:34:20,450 --> 00:34:24,872 ♪ "Come sit beside me ♪ 710 00:34:24,955 --> 00:34:28,125 ♪ My only son" ♪ 711 00:34:28,208 --> 00:34:29,418 I was hanging out with a buddy of mine, 712 00:34:29,501 --> 00:34:31,795 and he was like, "Yo, man, 713 00:34:31,879 --> 00:34:33,589 "if you like the Allman Brothers, 714 00:34:33,672 --> 00:34:35,507 you've got to listen to Lynyrd Skynyrd." 715 00:34:35,591 --> 00:34:40,470 He showed me a video of Gary just ripping a slide solo 716 00:34:40,554 --> 00:34:43,015 as he had, like, a cigarette in his hand. 717 00:34:43,098 --> 00:34:46,101 I'm just like, "What is this dude? What is this?" 718 00:34:46,184 --> 00:34:49,938 ♪ And be a simple ♪ 719 00:34:50,022 --> 00:34:54,401 ♪ Kind of man ♪ 720 00:34:54,484 --> 00:35:00,449 ♪ Oh, be something you love and understand ♪ 721 00:35:00,532 --> 00:35:05,913 ♪ Baby, be a simple ♪ 722 00:35:05,996 --> 00:35:09,041 ♪ Kind of man ♪ 723 00:35:09,124 --> 00:35:15,797 ♪ Oh, won't you do this for me, son, if you can ♪ 724 00:35:15,881 --> 00:35:18,091 ♪ Oh, yes, I will ♪ 725 00:35:31,730 --> 00:35:34,775 We played "Simple Man" and Al Kooper, 726 00:35:34,858 --> 00:35:35,984 he didn't like the song. 727 00:35:36,068 --> 00:35:37,444 He said, "That's boring, man. 728 00:35:37,527 --> 00:35:39,279 It doesn't mean nothing," 729 00:35:39,363 --> 00:35:41,782 but Kooper, we'd call him a Yankee slicker. 730 00:35:41,865 --> 00:35:43,867 He was totally different than us. 731 00:35:43,951 --> 00:35:46,787 We were all from simple Southern home-cooking 732 00:35:46,870 --> 00:35:48,497 mamas, you know? 733 00:35:48,580 --> 00:35:50,666 And so we thought it was a great song. 734 00:35:50,749 --> 00:35:53,669 And so Ronnie takes Al out to the car, 735 00:35:53,752 --> 00:35:55,754 and he opened up the door to the... Al's Bentley 736 00:35:55,837 --> 00:35:58,131 and put him in the car and shut the door, 737 00:35:58,215 --> 00:36:01,176 and Ronnie stuck his head into the window, and he says, 738 00:36:01,260 --> 00:36:03,428 "When we're done cutting it, we'll call you," 739 00:36:03,512 --> 00:36:04,304 and that's the way it was. 740 00:36:04,388 --> 00:36:07,474 He was the boss. 741 00:36:07,557 --> 00:36:10,310 I feared him. 742 00:36:10,394 --> 00:36:12,187 I've tended to write about places 743 00:36:12,271 --> 00:36:14,648 I've seen and things that I've done, normal things, 744 00:36:14,731 --> 00:36:16,525 things that you've done, really. 745 00:36:16,608 --> 00:36:19,278 I think if you write it really simple, 746 00:36:19,361 --> 00:36:21,363 then you can reach more people that way 747 00:36:21,446 --> 00:36:23,031 because more people's gonna understand 748 00:36:23,115 --> 00:36:24,992 what you're talking about and what I mean. 749 00:36:28,245 --> 00:36:30,664 I guess I showed up to rehearsal a little bit 750 00:36:30,747 --> 00:36:33,834 after everybody else, 'cause when I got there 751 00:36:33,917 --> 00:36:36,003 Gary was playing a riff sort of like this. 752 00:36:36,086 --> 00:36:37,546 It went... 753 00:36:49,349 --> 00:36:50,851 You know? 754 00:36:50,934 --> 00:36:52,352 And I walked in and picked up my Strat 755 00:36:52,436 --> 00:36:54,438 and just bounced that... mine off of his. 756 00:37:01,445 --> 00:37:03,864 And Ronnie's sitting over in his... on the couch 757 00:37:03,947 --> 00:37:06,283 where he always sat, and he kept going like this. 758 00:37:06,366 --> 00:37:08,452 That means don't stop. Just keep running it, 759 00:37:08,535 --> 00:37:10,454 running it, running it, you know? 760 00:37:10,537 --> 00:37:13,957 So within about 15 minutes he started writing the chorus, 761 00:37:14,041 --> 00:37:15,542 so we had a verse and a chorus. 762 00:37:15,625 --> 00:37:16,626 Then he says, "Well, I'll see you later. 763 00:37:16,710 --> 00:37:18,128 I'm going down to go fishing." 764 00:37:18,211 --> 00:37:18,879 "Okay." So we stayed up there, 765 00:37:18,962 --> 00:37:21,590 and we're working on the music. 766 00:37:21,673 --> 00:37:23,508 He's listening down there 'cause the music traveled down 767 00:37:23,592 --> 00:37:26,219 the creek really well, and he comes back, I guess, 768 00:37:26,303 --> 00:37:28,638 in about an hour and a half and grabs a mike, 769 00:37:28,722 --> 00:37:30,766 and he sings all the verses. 770 00:37:30,849 --> 00:37:32,893 He always wrote in his head, he never wrote anything down, 771 00:37:32,976 --> 00:37:34,686 so we were able to kind of arrange it. 772 00:37:34,770 --> 00:37:38,440 The week that first album 773 00:37:38,523 --> 00:37:40,108 was being pressed 774 00:37:40,192 --> 00:37:41,902 Ronnie called me up, 775 00:37:41,985 --> 00:37:44,488 and he said, "We have a new song. 776 00:37:44,571 --> 00:37:46,531 "I love it the way it is right now. 777 00:37:46,615 --> 00:37:48,367 "I'm scared it's gonna change 778 00:37:48,450 --> 00:37:50,452 by the time we do the second album." 779 00:37:50,535 --> 00:37:53,205 They hadn't even toured the first album. 780 00:37:53,288 --> 00:37:55,457 It wasn't even on the street yet. 781 00:37:55,540 --> 00:37:57,834 He said, "I want to come up and record it now," 782 00:37:57,918 --> 00:38:01,630 and they drove up and played me 783 00:38:01,713 --> 00:38:04,591 "Sweet Home Alabama." 784 00:38:04,674 --> 00:38:08,428 I said, "I'll see you in the studio tomorrow. 785 00:38:08,512 --> 00:38:09,554 This is a hit record." 786 00:38:29,032 --> 00:38:32,953 ♪ Big wheels keep on turning ♪ 787 00:38:33,036 --> 00:38:35,038 ♪ Carry me home to see my kin ♪ 788 00:38:38,208 --> 00:38:40,043 ♪ Singing songs about the Southland ♪ 789 00:38:43,046 --> 00:38:46,800 ♪ I miss ol' 'bamy once again, and I think it's a sin ♪ 790 00:38:46,883 --> 00:38:49,136 We used to do clubs and teen dens 791 00:38:49,219 --> 00:38:50,011 and stuff all around Alabama, 792 00:38:50,095 --> 00:38:52,389 and driving through the country, 793 00:38:52,472 --> 00:38:54,307 it was beautiful and great people, 794 00:38:54,391 --> 00:38:57,394 and if you had trouble, they'd come out to help you. 795 00:38:57,477 --> 00:39:02,190 ♪ Well, I heard Mr. Young sing about her ♪ 796 00:39:02,274 --> 00:39:07,028 ♪ Well, I heard ol' Neil put her down ♪ 797 00:39:07,112 --> 00:39:10,198 ♪ Well, I hope Neil Young will remember ♪ 798 00:39:10,282 --> 00:39:15,370 ♪ A Southern man don't need him around anyhow ♪ 799 00:39:15,454 --> 00:39:18,874 We just love the South attitude and the people. 800 00:39:18,957 --> 00:39:20,834 That was our first experience, 801 00:39:20,917 --> 00:39:22,085 is playing all the Southern states 802 00:39:22,169 --> 00:39:24,838 'cause we weren't known anywhere else. 803 00:39:24,921 --> 00:39:26,131 We couldn't afford to drive it, 804 00:39:26,214 --> 00:39:29,468 and we really weren't booked anywhere else, 805 00:39:29,551 --> 00:39:33,138 and then Neil Young had wrote "Southern Man" and "Alabama." 806 00:39:33,221 --> 00:39:38,185 ♪ Southern man better keep your head ♪ 807 00:39:38,268 --> 00:39:44,733 ♪ Don't forget what your good book said ♪ 808 00:39:44,816 --> 00:39:45,859 ♪ Southern man ♪ 809 00:39:45,942 --> 00:39:48,570 We didn't like him cutting down 810 00:39:48,653 --> 00:39:49,863 Southern guys, you know? 811 00:39:52,073 --> 00:39:54,367 ♪ In Birmingham they love the governor ♪ 812 00:39:54,451 --> 00:39:56,369 ♪ Boo, boo, boo ♪ 813 00:39:56,453 --> 00:39:59,247 ♪ Now, we all did what we could do ♪ 814 00:40:01,625 --> 00:40:06,838 ♪ Now, Watergate does not bother me ♪ 815 00:40:06,922 --> 00:40:10,759 ♪ Does your conscience bother you? Tell the truth ♪ 816 00:40:10,842 --> 00:40:13,220 It was right at the time that the Wallaces were out, 817 00:40:13,303 --> 00:40:16,806 and there was all this race riots and stuff, 818 00:40:16,890 --> 00:40:19,935 and a lot of people believed in segregation and all that. 819 00:40:20,018 --> 00:40:22,103 We didn't, so we put the "boo, boo, boo" 820 00:40:22,187 --> 00:40:25,815 there so it was saying we don't like Wallace, 821 00:40:25,899 --> 00:40:27,567 but I don't know. 822 00:40:27,651 --> 00:40:30,237 There's a lot of different interpretations. 823 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,280 I'm sure if you ask the other guys 824 00:40:32,364 --> 00:40:36,201 who are not with us anymore up in rock and roll heaven, 825 00:40:36,284 --> 00:40:38,662 they have their story of how it came about. 826 00:40:39,371 --> 00:40:39,663 ♪ Alabama ♪ 827 00:40:45,669 --> 00:40:46,753 "Sweet Home Alabama," 828 00:40:46,836 --> 00:40:48,713 probably one of the strongest 829 00:40:48,797 --> 00:40:50,257 and most controversial musical statements 830 00:40:50,340 --> 00:40:53,760 ever about the South, was really the first 831 00:40:53,843 --> 00:40:55,929 sweet taste of success for Lynyrd Skynyrd. 832 00:40:56,012 --> 00:40:58,139 We knew that by doing that song 833 00:40:58,223 --> 00:40:59,933 and writing those lyrics, we knew in the beginning 834 00:41:00,016 --> 00:41:01,726 that we'd get a lot of heat from it, you know? 835 00:41:01,810 --> 00:41:04,771 And, you know, I did attack Neil Young in that song. 836 00:41:04,854 --> 00:41:06,690 He says, "What are you talking about, you know? 837 00:41:06,773 --> 00:41:10,193 From what I'm told, you was born in Canada," you know? 838 00:41:10,277 --> 00:41:12,612 Before the first album came out, 839 00:41:12,696 --> 00:41:14,614 I bumped into Pete Townsend. 840 00:41:14,698 --> 00:41:16,741 I knew him quite well. 841 00:41:16,825 --> 00:41:18,827 I'd played on some Who things. 842 00:41:18,910 --> 00:41:20,912 I said, "What are you doing?" 843 00:41:20,996 --> 00:41:23,623 and he said, "Well, we're going out on a big tour." 844 00:41:23,707 --> 00:41:25,458 He said, "Do you know a great act 845 00:41:25,542 --> 00:41:27,210 we could use for an opener?" 846 00:41:27,294 --> 00:41:30,338 I said, "You know, it's funny you say that." 847 00:41:31,047 --> 00:41:33,633 Let's pick it up! 848 00:41:33,717 --> 00:41:35,802 The first night we played with the Who, 849 00:41:35,885 --> 00:41:38,972 we were used to playing clubs and dances 850 00:41:39,055 --> 00:41:41,850 at maybe 100, 200 people at the most, 851 00:41:41,933 --> 00:41:42,976 so we were opening at the Cow Palace 852 00:41:43,059 --> 00:41:48,023 the first night for 18,000 people, 853 00:41:48,106 --> 00:41:50,317 and we looked out and we were freaked out. 854 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,319 We had to have a drink before we could go out and play. 855 00:41:52,402 --> 00:41:53,612 We was so nervous. 856 00:41:53,695 --> 00:41:58,908 They only gave us some nights 20 minutes and others 30. 857 00:41:58,992 --> 00:42:01,494 So we'd do "I Ain't the One," "Poison Whiskey," 858 00:42:01,578 --> 00:42:03,872 and another song and then "Free Bird." 859 00:42:03,955 --> 00:42:07,500 That was it, you know? 860 00:42:07,584 --> 00:42:14,507 ♪ Oh, help me, I can't change ♪ 861 00:42:14,591 --> 00:42:18,845 ♪ Lord, I can't change ♪ 862 00:42:18,928 --> 00:42:20,764 "Free Bird," it's just a simple little love song 863 00:42:20,847 --> 00:42:23,600 about leaving a girl. 864 00:42:23,683 --> 00:42:26,353 Allen came up with that riff in high school. 865 00:42:26,436 --> 00:42:28,521 We wrote it as a slow song, 866 00:42:28,605 --> 00:42:31,608 and we didn't have the end lead early in our career, 867 00:42:31,691 --> 00:42:35,028 but we were playing clubs. We'd play "Free Bird," 868 00:42:35,111 --> 00:42:37,322 and we would jam on it so Ronnie, 869 00:42:37,405 --> 00:42:40,200 we could rest his voice, so the first time was, 870 00:42:40,283 --> 00:42:44,079 like, a minute, and then it'd be four minutes. 871 00:42:44,162 --> 00:42:46,289 Then it would be six minutes or eight. 872 00:42:46,373 --> 00:42:48,541 Then it got to be 20 minutes at the end. 873 00:42:51,086 --> 00:42:53,880 I mean, Allen did that solo at the end of "Free Bird," 874 00:42:53,963 --> 00:42:57,550 when he was 17, 18. 875 00:42:57,634 --> 00:43:00,136 People just weren't playing like that then, you know? 876 00:43:00,220 --> 00:43:01,221 Clapton was maybe. 877 00:43:03,723 --> 00:43:06,184 We played an audience, and they'd flip out, 878 00:43:06,267 --> 00:43:08,019 go wild, you know? 879 00:43:08,103 --> 00:43:11,356 Just gives you chills all over, you know? 880 00:43:11,439 --> 00:43:13,066 Something magical about that song 881 00:43:13,149 --> 00:43:16,236 'cause when it gets to the peak, 882 00:43:16,319 --> 00:43:18,321 it's sort of almost becomes like a force of nature. 883 00:43:18,405 --> 00:43:22,075 Even playing it, you can feel the force in that. 884 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,921 One night we got better reviews than The Who. 885 00:43:35,004 --> 00:43:36,673 We didn't like that. 886 00:43:36,756 --> 00:43:39,050 We thought they were the guys, not us. 887 00:43:39,134 --> 00:43:40,885 We hit it every night. We had a job to do, 888 00:43:40,969 --> 00:43:42,887 and we knew it. We weren't gonna lay back. 889 00:43:42,971 --> 00:43:46,266 Our job was really to blow off stage the band following us. 890 00:43:46,349 --> 00:43:48,143 Ronnie made that clear. 891 00:43:48,226 --> 00:43:50,353 It's a competition, and whoever we're playing with, 892 00:43:50,437 --> 00:43:52,105 we're gonna blow that band away. 893 00:43:56,776 --> 00:44:00,113 The Who tour did a lot, and "Free Bird," 894 00:44:00,196 --> 00:44:03,116 although it was not a hit single, 895 00:44:03,199 --> 00:44:05,034 it was better 896 00:44:05,118 --> 00:44:07,454 'cause it sold albums, not singles. 897 00:44:13,168 --> 00:44:15,253 To me there's nothing freer than a... than a bird, you know? 898 00:44:15,336 --> 00:44:18,423 Just flying wherever it wants to go, 899 00:44:18,506 --> 00:44:21,134 and I don't know, that's what this country's 900 00:44:21,217 --> 00:44:23,511 all about, you know? Being free, 901 00:44:23,595 --> 00:44:26,473 and I think everybody wants to be a free bird. 902 00:44:34,314 --> 00:44:36,191 We did The Who tour, 903 00:44:36,274 --> 00:44:37,609 played in front of tens of thousands of people, man. 904 00:44:37,692 --> 00:44:42,447 Then we still went back to clubs and 100 people here 905 00:44:42,530 --> 00:44:45,408 and 50 people there, and oh, my God. 906 00:44:45,492 --> 00:44:46,785 Well, we'd stay at Days Inn and get two rooms. 907 00:44:46,868 --> 00:44:50,830 I mean, just we had basically four people in a double bed, 908 00:44:50,914 --> 00:44:52,332 and trying and sleep with Ed King 909 00:44:52,415 --> 00:44:54,042 with four people in a double bed, 'kay? 910 00:45:04,427 --> 00:45:07,722 ♪ Oh, seven years of hard luck ♪ 911 00:45:07,806 --> 00:45:10,642 ♪ Coming down on me ♪ 912 00:45:10,725 --> 00:45:12,227 ♪ From the Florida border ♪ 913 00:45:12,310 --> 00:45:15,855 ♪ Yes, up in Nashville, Tennessee ♪ 914 00:45:15,939 --> 00:45:18,483 ♪ I worked in every joint you can name ♪ 915 00:45:18,566 --> 00:45:22,070 ♪ And for every honky-tonk ♪ 916 00:45:22,153 --> 00:45:24,531 ♪ Along comes a Yankee slicker saying ♪ 917 00:45:24,614 --> 00:45:26,908 ♪ Maybe you're what I want ♪ 918 00:45:26,991 --> 00:45:29,160 ♪ Want you to sign your contract ♪ 919 00:45:29,244 --> 00:45:32,872 ♪ Want you to sign today ♪ 920 00:45:32,956 --> 00:45:36,626 ♪ Gonna give you lots of money working for MCA ♪ 921 00:45:40,338 --> 00:45:42,882 When we did the second album, I wanted to do it 922 00:45:42,966 --> 00:45:44,467 in Los Angeles. 923 00:45:44,551 --> 00:45:46,511 They were not happy about that. 924 00:45:46,594 --> 00:45:49,264 ♪ They're gonna take me out to California ♪ 925 00:45:49,347 --> 00:45:52,767 ♪ Gonna make me a superstar ♪ 926 00:45:52,851 --> 00:45:58,064 ♪ Just pay me all my money so maybe you won't get a scar ♪ 927 00:45:58,147 --> 00:45:59,691 We didn't have much money. 928 00:45:59,774 --> 00:46:01,734 Everything we got we had to spend, 929 00:46:01,818 --> 00:46:04,863 so we were playing the Whisky a Go Go at night, 930 00:46:04,946 --> 00:46:06,781 and then we'd go record all day 931 00:46:06,865 --> 00:46:10,702 and then sleep where we could here and there, you know? 932 00:46:10,785 --> 00:46:12,912 We were all in hotels, and it was a new thing. 933 00:46:12,996 --> 00:46:15,665 The surroundings were even more evil 934 00:46:15,748 --> 00:46:16,749 'cause it was Hollywood, you know? 935 00:46:16,833 --> 00:46:18,793 There's just too much going on here, you know? 936 00:46:18,877 --> 00:46:22,797 It took them out of their comfort zone, and, you know, 937 00:46:22,881 --> 00:46:24,382 they wanted to just go into a room and just record. 938 00:46:24,465 --> 00:46:26,843 You know, it was a record plant. 939 00:46:26,926 --> 00:46:28,469 You walk out the door, and, you know, 940 00:46:28,553 --> 00:46:29,429 there's Joe Walsh and Jackson Brown 941 00:46:29,512 --> 00:46:31,222 playing pinball, you know, a big room 942 00:46:31,306 --> 00:46:33,558 that Stevie Wonder was in, 943 00:46:33,641 --> 00:46:35,268 and then one day we're sitting there, 944 00:46:35,351 --> 00:46:37,103 and John Lennon and May Pang walk in. 945 00:46:37,186 --> 00:46:38,021 We couldn't play the rest of the day. 946 00:46:38,104 --> 00:46:40,064 It was work. 947 00:46:40,148 --> 00:46:42,901 It was really work pulling that record together. 948 00:46:42,984 --> 00:46:45,612 One night we went into the studio to record, 949 00:46:45,695 --> 00:46:47,447 and they had power trouble, 950 00:46:47,530 --> 00:46:50,283 and we went down and saw "The Exorcist." 951 00:46:50,366 --> 00:46:52,660 Bob Burns just had, like, a mental breakdown. 952 00:46:52,744 --> 00:46:53,745 It freaked him out, man. 953 00:46:53,828 --> 00:46:58,291 Really, it... he thought his wife was the devil, 954 00:46:58,374 --> 00:47:00,627 and he thought this cat was the devil. 955 00:47:00,710 --> 00:47:02,962 There were a lot of things going on. 956 00:47:03,046 --> 00:47:06,132 A wife would get pregnant, or somebody'd break up, 957 00:47:06,215 --> 00:47:08,092 or there was, you know, 958 00:47:08,176 --> 00:47:10,970 all those complications and being away from home, 959 00:47:11,054 --> 00:47:13,848 and we were still in your early 20s. 960 00:47:13,932 --> 00:47:15,683 You don't know what's happening, really. 961 00:47:15,767 --> 00:47:19,479 Didn't really take time off much at all, you know? 962 00:47:19,562 --> 00:47:22,565 ♪ Well, it's true I love the money ♪ 963 00:47:22,649 --> 00:47:27,862 ♪ And I love my brand-new car ♪ 964 00:47:27,946 --> 00:47:30,823 ♪ I like drinking the best of whiskey ♪ 965 00:47:30,907 --> 00:47:34,577 ♪ And playing in a honky-tonk bar ♪ 966 00:47:34,661 --> 00:47:38,122 ♪ But when I come off the road ♪ 967 00:47:38,206 --> 00:47:41,876 ♪ well, I just got to have my time ♪ 968 00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:46,005 ♪ 'Cause I got to find a break in this action ♪ 969 00:47:46,089 --> 00:47:47,465 ♪ Else I'm gonna lose my mind ♪ 970 00:47:47,548 --> 00:47:52,679 ♪ So don't ask me no questions ♪ 971 00:47:52,762 --> 00:47:56,474 ♪ And I won't tell you no lies, that's right ♪ 972 00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:04,023 When I joined the band that first time, 973 00:48:04,107 --> 00:48:05,066 I was the drummer. 974 00:48:05,149 --> 00:48:07,360 We spent a lot of time 975 00:48:07,443 --> 00:48:09,487 in Muscle Shoals going back and forth, 976 00:48:09,570 --> 00:48:13,366 but I said, "The drums are just really not for me," you know? 977 00:48:13,449 --> 00:48:19,038 I missed playing guitar, and I left the guys. 978 00:48:19,122 --> 00:48:22,375 Less than a year later, in '73, "Pronounced" 979 00:48:22,458 --> 00:48:26,212 came out, and they were off and running. 980 00:48:26,295 --> 00:48:27,380 It really wasn't meant for me to be there then. 981 00:48:27,463 --> 00:48:30,091 It was meant for me to be here now. 982 00:48:31,634 --> 00:48:34,220 I was raised by a great musician, my grandfather, 983 00:48:34,303 --> 00:48:36,139 Shorty Medlocke. 984 00:48:36,222 --> 00:48:40,143 He pretty well much was a delta blues bluegrass player 985 00:48:40,226 --> 00:48:43,730 and a solid foundation in music around this town anyway. 986 00:48:43,813 --> 00:48:45,481 Ronnie would come over here and sit on the porch 987 00:48:45,565 --> 00:48:48,568 watching my old man play his Dobro. 988 00:48:48,651 --> 00:48:50,570 My old man would sometimes be out here at 2:00 a. m. 989 00:48:50,653 --> 00:48:52,405 in the morning playing. 990 00:48:52,488 --> 00:48:54,490 Me and him both would stay out here for hours. 991 00:48:54,574 --> 00:48:57,076 Ronnie had taken the influence of my old man 992 00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,370 doing that coupled with the fact that he loved 993 00:48:59,454 --> 00:49:02,248 Son House, the blues guy, 994 00:49:02,331 --> 00:49:04,208 and out of it was born "Curtis Loew." 995 00:49:04,292 --> 00:49:09,172 ♪ Play me a song, Curtis Loew, hey, Curtis Loew ♪ 996 00:49:09,255 --> 00:49:16,137 ♪ I wish that you was here so everyone would know ♪ 997 00:49:16,220 --> 00:49:17,513 ♪ People said you were useless ♪ 998 00:49:17,597 --> 00:49:23,478 ♪ But then people all were fools ♪ 999 00:49:23,561 --> 00:49:26,773 ♪ 'Cause Curtis, you're the finest picker ♪ 1000 00:49:26,856 --> 00:49:30,610 ♪ To ever play the blues ♪ 1001 00:49:33,404 --> 00:49:34,739 We heard about this band 1002 00:49:34,822 --> 00:49:36,532 called the Lynyrd Skynyrd band. 1003 00:49:36,616 --> 00:49:37,575 They were kicking it up and tearing it down, 1004 00:49:37,658 --> 00:49:39,410 and we were booked together 1005 00:49:39,494 --> 00:49:40,995 on a string of dates, and I played with them. 1006 00:49:41,079 --> 00:49:42,121 That's the first time I remember meeting them. 1007 00:49:42,205 --> 00:49:45,041 With this guys, it was like working with family, 1008 00:49:45,124 --> 00:49:47,085 which it was not always like working with family 1009 00:49:47,168 --> 00:49:47,794 with a lot of other people. 1010 00:49:47,877 --> 00:49:49,295 Southern boys played blues. 1011 00:49:49,378 --> 00:49:51,756 There's no two ways about it, 1012 00:49:51,839 --> 00:49:52,924 but Ronnie Van Zant, 1013 00:49:53,007 --> 00:49:58,638 he was a master at doing redneck, working men's lyrics. 1014 00:50:04,185 --> 00:50:07,313 I figured you'd have some moonshine laying around, Coop. 1015 00:50:07,396 --> 00:50:09,273 What is that, 1016 00:50:09,357 --> 00:50:12,151 some of no... northeast Georgia mountain water, is all that is. 1017 00:50:14,403 --> 00:50:17,198 I've listened to Skynyrd ever since 1018 00:50:17,281 --> 00:50:19,700 they actually started, pretty much. 1019 00:50:19,784 --> 00:50:22,995 This is where I really got broke in on Skynyrd, I'd say. 1020 00:50:23,079 --> 00:50:25,164 He had a old tape that he used to put in there. 1021 00:50:25,248 --> 00:50:27,333 An old cassette tape was one. 1022 00:50:27,416 --> 00:50:30,169 And it stayed on, I mean, nonstop. 1023 00:50:30,253 --> 00:50:31,671 I gave that... that cassette to Brantley. 1024 00:50:31,754 --> 00:50:33,506 I said, "Here, you need to learn these songs," 1025 00:50:33,589 --> 00:50:34,507 and it wasn't two days he was back over here. 1026 00:50:34,590 --> 00:50:36,592 He had, like, two or three of them nailed. 1027 00:50:36,676 --> 00:50:39,303 Like, "Damn, I hear ya, brother." 1028 00:50:39,387 --> 00:50:41,055 I have a line in one of my songs that says, 1029 00:50:41,139 --> 00:50:42,223 "There's always some drunk guy in the back 1030 00:50:42,306 --> 00:50:44,058 screaming out 'Free Bird!'" 1031 00:50:44,142 --> 00:50:46,018 Every show you play, somebody wants you to play "Free Bird," 1032 00:50:46,102 --> 00:50:49,939 but I always felt like that was a song you ought not touch. 1033 00:50:50,022 --> 00:50:51,983 - Yeah. - You know, I fell in love 1034 00:50:52,066 --> 00:50:53,192 with guitars, with big sound, 1035 00:50:53,276 --> 00:50:55,820 and you know what the songs were about, you know? 1036 00:50:55,903 --> 00:50:57,488 It's about the South. I could relate to it. 1037 00:50:57,572 --> 00:50:59,866 Who was Ronnie speaking to? 1038 00:50:59,949 --> 00:51:01,284 Me. 1039 00:51:01,367 --> 00:51:04,036 Me and all my friends. 1040 00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:05,204 You know, that was our music. 1041 00:51:05,288 --> 00:51:07,874 - It puts you out here, you know? - Yeah, kind of like 1042 00:51:07,957 --> 00:51:09,041 - a hometown band to us. - Yeah. 1043 00:51:09,125 --> 00:51:10,459 - Yeah. - Yeah. 1044 00:51:10,543 --> 00:51:11,669 - Georgia peach. - I think it's good. 1045 00:51:11,752 --> 00:51:14,213 - You want to try it? - I did. 1046 00:51:14,297 --> 00:51:16,257 - Anybody else? - Welcome to drink. 1047 00:51:16,340 --> 00:51:17,800 - Sir? - All right. 1048 00:51:17,884 --> 00:51:20,678 Put the camera down! 1049 00:51:20,761 --> 00:51:21,888 He said, "Fuck it." 1050 00:51:21,971 --> 00:51:24,849 One, two, one, two, three. 1051 00:51:24,932 --> 00:51:27,268 "Saturday Night Special" is a song that deals 1052 00:51:27,351 --> 00:51:31,230 with a very real and dangerous subject in today's America. 1053 00:51:31,314 --> 00:51:34,692 Our interview of Lynyrd Skynyrd focuses on this now. 1054 00:51:34,775 --> 00:51:35,985 ♪ Oh, yeah ♪ 1055 00:51:36,068 --> 00:51:38,571 "Saturday Night Special," we'd just known some friends 1056 00:51:38,654 --> 00:51:41,949 that a friend shot another fiend 1057 00:51:42,033 --> 00:51:43,743 'cause they were drunk playing poker. 1058 00:51:43,826 --> 00:51:47,580 ♪ Handguns are made for killing ♪ 1059 00:51:47,663 --> 00:51:49,790 ♪ They ain't no good for nothing else ♪ 1060 00:51:49,874 --> 00:51:55,421 ♪ So why don't we don't we dump them, people ♪ 1061 00:51:55,504 --> 00:51:59,258 ♪ To the bottom of a sea ♪ 1062 00:51:59,342 --> 00:52:03,429 ♪ Before some old fools come around here ♪ 1063 00:52:03,512 --> 00:52:06,599 ♪ Want to shoot either you or me? ♪ 1064 00:52:10,186 --> 00:52:11,312 Really. 1065 00:52:13,940 --> 00:52:16,943 I have a old gun, a 1874 Springfield, 1066 00:52:17,026 --> 00:52:18,653 but it's old flintlock gun. It hangs over the fireplace. 1067 00:52:18,736 --> 00:52:21,530 - Oh. - I've been shot myself, 1068 00:52:21,614 --> 00:52:22,907 and I don't want to get into that, 1069 00:52:22,990 --> 00:52:25,076 but that happens, you know, every day. 1070 00:52:25,159 --> 00:52:29,330 I mean, if you watch, where I come from, the 6:00 news 1071 00:52:29,413 --> 00:52:30,539 every night, just look at homicides 1072 00:52:30,623 --> 00:52:33,626 every night because of that. 1073 00:52:33,709 --> 00:52:35,378 I don't... I really don't like them. 1074 00:52:42,343 --> 00:52:43,427 I love people. I love talking to all people. 1075 00:52:43,511 --> 00:52:46,138 I love black people. 1076 00:52:46,222 --> 00:52:48,641 I love Chinese people, Japanese people, German people. 1077 00:52:48,724 --> 00:52:52,311 I love gay people. Do I live in fear? 1078 00:52:52,395 --> 00:52:53,729 No. Do I have a gun? 1079 00:52:53,813 --> 00:52:56,232 There's not a gun in this house. 1080 00:52:56,315 --> 00:52:59,527 I hate guns. I'm trained marine. 1081 00:52:59,610 --> 00:53:01,821 You know, they call us trained killers. 1082 00:53:01,904 --> 00:53:04,991 I've never had to kill anybody. I never want to. 1083 00:53:05,074 --> 00:53:06,534 I am a left-wing liberal hippie. 1084 00:53:06,617 --> 00:53:08,869 I always will be. 1085 00:53:08,953 --> 00:53:13,124 I love this picture of Ronnie. He's got his Shoco shirt on, 1086 00:53:13,207 --> 00:53:16,002 and there he is kind of looking down from heaven, 1087 00:53:16,085 --> 00:53:19,338 saying, "Keep it real, Artimus," 1088 00:53:19,422 --> 00:53:23,592 and... and just this little space here is, 1089 00:53:23,676 --> 00:53:26,304 if nothing else, it's real. 1090 00:53:26,387 --> 00:53:29,932 I was living in Spartanburg, South Carolina. 1091 00:53:30,016 --> 00:53:30,891 We called it Sparkle City, 1092 00:53:30,975 --> 00:53:35,521 and Bob was having some medical problems. 1093 00:53:35,604 --> 00:53:36,814 So Ronnie calls me up, and he goes, 1094 00:53:36,897 --> 00:53:38,607 "I just want to know if you can play. 1095 00:53:38,691 --> 00:53:40,609 Everybody says you can." 1096 00:53:40,693 --> 00:53:43,362 Artimus was badass. 1097 00:53:43,446 --> 00:53:45,740 He was a tough ex-marine, you know? 1098 00:53:45,823 --> 00:53:48,367 He was the only one that could actually throw Ronnie 1099 00:53:48,451 --> 00:53:49,910 around a little bit, 1100 00:53:49,994 --> 00:53:51,787 but he was different than us too. 1101 00:53:51,871 --> 00:53:54,999 He was from the Carolinas. He was a vegetarian. 1102 00:53:55,082 --> 00:53:56,167 That was way different than us. 1103 00:53:56,250 --> 00:54:00,129 We were barbecue boys, you know? He liked vegetables. 1104 00:54:00,212 --> 00:54:02,923 What I do for Lynyrd Skynyrd is purely physical, 1105 00:54:03,007 --> 00:54:07,136 so having my health is very important. 1106 00:54:07,219 --> 00:54:10,014 Usually on the road I live on yogurt and nuts, 1107 00:54:10,097 --> 00:54:11,724 and the people that come up to me 1108 00:54:11,807 --> 00:54:14,060 and say, "How do you do it?" 1109 00:54:14,143 --> 00:54:16,062 It's just something that I do every day, 1110 00:54:16,145 --> 00:54:18,356 and if you do something every day, 1111 00:54:18,439 --> 00:54:20,566 you're bound to get good at it. 1112 00:54:20,649 --> 00:54:22,485 Artimus could play on the stuff he wrote 1113 00:54:22,568 --> 00:54:24,236 with the band very well. It's one of those things, 1114 00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:26,989 but he had trouble picking up Bob's feel, 1115 00:54:27,073 --> 00:54:29,450 so that's when you had to go to Europe, 1116 00:54:29,533 --> 00:54:32,036 and we had to take Bob to Europe, 1117 00:54:32,119 --> 00:54:32,912 and things didn't go well. 1118 00:54:32,995 --> 00:54:35,498 Every damn country we went to, 1119 00:54:35,581 --> 00:54:38,417 about the size of Georgia. Nobody spoke English. 1120 00:54:38,501 --> 00:54:39,251 I was in France, ordered a ham sandwich. 1121 00:54:39,335 --> 00:54:41,712 They brought me back a Marlboros. 1122 00:54:41,796 --> 00:54:44,590 Bob had a nervous breakdown about two weeks into the tour. 1123 00:54:44,673 --> 00:54:48,094 And we were at a hotel, he went nuts, so they all said, 1124 00:54:48,177 --> 00:54:49,678 "Hey, go in there and talk to Bob." 1125 00:54:49,762 --> 00:54:51,430 They were scared to go in. 1126 00:54:51,514 --> 00:54:55,142 Even Ronnie was, you know, behind the curtain going, 1127 00:54:55,226 --> 00:54:56,769 "You go in there," and I went in. 1128 00:54:56,852 --> 00:54:58,729 He had... all the stuff was rearranged 1129 00:54:58,813 --> 00:55:00,773 and changed and weird, 1130 00:55:00,856 --> 00:55:03,109 and he was talking in this weird voice. 1131 00:55:03,192 --> 00:55:07,905 He was really kind of going through a devil possession 1132 00:55:07,988 --> 00:55:10,366 type trip, and it was not fun. 1133 00:55:10,449 --> 00:55:13,369 I don't remember ever being fired from Lynyrd Skynyrd, 1134 00:55:13,452 --> 00:55:15,412 and I never quit. 1135 00:55:15,496 --> 00:55:18,958 I just got taken over with some illnesses that I had. 1136 00:55:19,041 --> 00:55:21,669 They just kind of broke reality for me, 1137 00:55:21,752 --> 00:55:23,045 but, you know, when I think of Lynyrd Skynyrd, 1138 00:55:23,129 --> 00:55:27,341 I just think about some outrageously fun times, 1139 00:55:27,424 --> 00:55:28,384 you know? 1140 00:55:36,100 --> 00:55:38,060 by 1975 the world 1141 00:55:38,144 --> 00:55:39,854 was paying lots of attention to Lynyrd Skynyrd. 1142 00:55:39,937 --> 00:55:42,064 Their powerful three-guitar attack, 1143 00:55:42,148 --> 00:55:45,943 Ronnie Van Zant's blatantly honest lyrics, 1144 00:55:46,026 --> 00:55:50,531 and the band's reputation for increasingly nasty behavior 1145 00:55:50,614 --> 00:55:52,616 had endeared them to millions. 1146 00:55:56,370 --> 00:56:00,374 When I came to town to record the third album, 1147 00:56:00,457 --> 00:56:02,001 they weren't ready at all. 1148 00:56:02,084 --> 00:56:03,377 We only had a few songs written, 1149 00:56:03,460 --> 00:56:06,964 and then some of them we had to write right in the studio. 1150 00:56:07,047 --> 00:56:09,341 We'd wake up and go, "What are we gonna do? 1151 00:56:09,425 --> 00:56:12,428 Somebody come up with an idea, and we'll work on it." 1152 00:56:12,511 --> 00:56:17,183 ♪ I dropped off a boxcar down around Tennessee ♪ 1153 00:56:19,101 --> 00:56:22,271 There was girls and just problems 1154 00:56:22,354 --> 00:56:25,399 coming around, and my teeth were all hurting, 1155 00:56:25,482 --> 00:56:28,903 and I had four wisdom teeth taken out. 1156 00:56:28,986 --> 00:56:31,697 There's a lot about that record I don't even remember 1157 00:56:31,780 --> 00:56:36,285 'cause of the pain pills and the drinking we did. 1158 00:56:36,368 --> 00:56:38,245 They didn't all know the songs, 1159 00:56:38,329 --> 00:56:40,372 so I was very upset. 1160 00:56:40,456 --> 00:56:44,877 The key ingredient was missing from that album, 1161 00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:48,005 which was the rehearsing at the swamp. 1162 00:56:48,088 --> 00:56:49,965 We had to do a rush job on that. 1163 00:56:50,049 --> 00:56:53,010 Why couldn't you buy them more time? 1164 00:56:53,093 --> 00:56:54,553 Because there was none. 1165 00:56:54,637 --> 00:56:56,430 They were going back on the road again. 1166 00:57:11,654 --> 00:57:12,780 ♪ I'm headed down a highway ♪ 1167 00:57:12,863 --> 00:57:18,494 ♪ Got my suitcase by my side ♪ 1168 00:57:18,577 --> 00:57:21,622 ♪ A blue sky's hanging over my head ♪ 1169 00:57:21,705 --> 00:57:25,084 ♪ I got 500 miles to ride ♪ 1170 00:57:25,167 --> 00:57:29,129 ♪ I'm going down to Memphis town ♪ 1171 00:57:29,213 --> 00:57:32,883 ♪ To play a late-night show ♪ 1172 00:57:32,967 --> 00:57:35,469 ♪ I hope the people are ready there ♪ 1173 00:57:35,552 --> 00:57:40,599 ♪ 'Cause the boys are all ready to go ♪ 1174 00:57:40,683 --> 00:57:44,436 ♪ Well, I'm a whiskey rock-a-roller ♪ 1175 00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:46,772 ♪ That's what I am ♪ 1176 00:57:46,855 --> 00:57:49,733 ♪ Women, whiskey and miles of traveling ♪ 1177 00:57:49,817 --> 00:57:53,320 ♪ Is all I understand ♪ 1178 00:57:55,197 --> 00:57:59,201 All you did was rehearse, write new stuff, 1179 00:57:59,285 --> 00:58:00,995 and then go tour. We were always working, 1180 00:58:01,078 --> 00:58:04,540 but that's all we knew and wanted. 1181 00:58:04,623 --> 00:58:05,791 We finally made it, and people were coming, 1182 00:58:05,874 --> 00:58:08,168 so we wanted to play. 1183 00:58:08,252 --> 00:58:10,379 We just never quit. It was torture. 1184 00:58:12,339 --> 00:58:14,675 You've just completed a European tour. 1185 00:58:14,758 --> 00:58:18,595 You're about to set out again to conquer the United States, 1186 00:58:18,679 --> 00:58:20,055 and you're really a touring band. 1187 00:58:20,139 --> 00:58:22,016 Does it get to you after a while? 1188 00:58:22,099 --> 00:58:24,977 We get a lot of publicity about busting up a place 1189 00:58:25,060 --> 00:58:26,645 and being really mean or something like that, 1190 00:58:26,729 --> 00:58:29,356 but you just get really tired. 1191 00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,985 You're about to just flip out and go over the deep end 1192 00:58:33,068 --> 00:58:35,362 and just say, "To hell with it. I quit." 1193 00:58:35,446 --> 00:58:37,614 Well, instead of doing that, we just liable to knock 1194 00:58:37,698 --> 00:58:39,158 a hole in the wall or anything... any way 1195 00:58:39,241 --> 00:58:42,745 to let... to let energy off, you know? 1196 00:58:42,828 --> 00:58:43,412 It's also a tax write-off. 1197 00:58:46,123 --> 00:58:49,501 Nobody, no band or no human thing lived on this earth 1198 00:58:49,585 --> 00:58:51,503 partied like Lynyrd Skynyrd partied, okay? 1199 00:58:51,587 --> 00:58:52,629 Nobody did. 1200 00:58:52,713 --> 00:58:55,966 Let's just admit it. I mean, it was the '70s, 1201 00:58:56,050 --> 00:59:01,555 and there was lots of cocaine, pills, alcohol. 1202 00:59:01,638 --> 00:59:04,308 Promoters would always backstage provide 1203 00:59:04,391 --> 00:59:08,645 cases of scotch and whiskey and beer and cartons 1204 00:59:08,729 --> 00:59:12,566 of Winstons and Marlboros and, you know, a big food spread. 1205 00:59:12,649 --> 00:59:17,654 But my boys, I think they felt they were supposed to smoke 1206 00:59:17,738 --> 00:59:20,491 every cigarette and drink everything provided and eat 1207 00:59:20,574 --> 00:59:23,410 what they wanted and throw the rest against the wall. 1208 00:59:23,494 --> 00:59:26,705 ♪ Women, whiskey and miles of traveling ♪ 1209 00:59:26,789 --> 00:59:28,832 ♪ Is all I understand ♪ 1210 00:59:28,916 --> 00:59:30,042 Whoo! 1211 00:59:33,462 --> 00:59:34,546 That was our road manager's duty, 1212 00:59:34,630 --> 00:59:38,217 to carry a briefcase with probably $250,000 cash 1213 00:59:38,300 --> 00:59:41,345 to buy the band members out of jail, 1214 00:59:41,428 --> 00:59:44,973 to pay off really mad hotel owners 1215 00:59:45,057 --> 00:59:47,351 that were upset over destruction. 1216 00:59:47,434 --> 00:59:49,144 But the road with Skynyrd was always 1217 00:59:49,228 --> 00:59:52,189 just a absolute clusterfuck. 1218 00:59:52,272 --> 00:59:54,817 Billy and Leon used to put cigarette butts 1219 00:59:54,900 --> 00:59:56,402 into each other's hair and... 1220 00:59:56,485 --> 00:59:58,070 Billy had very curly hair, 1221 00:59:58,153 --> 00:59:59,405 and Leon would call it his briar patch, 1222 00:59:59,488 --> 01:00:02,408 so Leon would take these huge drags off a cigarette 1223 01:00:02,491 --> 01:00:05,244 and then waft it into Billy's briar patch, 1224 01:00:05,327 --> 01:00:08,372 so it looked like Billy's head was on fire. 1225 01:00:08,455 --> 01:00:11,208 They'd put lipstick on each other while they were asleep, 1226 01:00:11,291 --> 01:00:12,793 and if you do that on a commercial flight, 1227 01:00:12,876 --> 01:00:15,462 they wouldn't like that. 1228 01:00:15,546 --> 01:00:17,506 In Europe you leave your shoes in the hallway. 1229 01:00:17,589 --> 01:00:22,094 Leon thought that it would be a really good idea 1230 01:00:22,177 --> 01:00:26,473 to take a number two in some guy's shoes 1231 01:00:26,557 --> 01:00:27,599 that were outside of his door. 1232 01:00:27,683 --> 01:00:30,352 I don't even know want to know how he did it. 1233 01:00:30,436 --> 01:00:33,939 Anyway, this man starts to slip on his shoes. 1234 01:00:34,022 --> 01:00:35,274 He's goose-stepping up and down the doggone hallway 1235 01:00:35,357 --> 01:00:37,901 screaming at the top of his lungs, 1236 01:00:37,985 --> 01:00:39,611 and now, of course, everybody in the hallway 1237 01:00:39,695 --> 01:00:41,572 is looking out their doors, 1238 01:00:41,655 --> 01:00:44,283 and so it's not obvious to this man 1239 01:00:44,366 --> 01:00:48,537 which long-haired hippie nutcase did it. 1240 01:00:48,620 --> 01:00:49,955 Of course, later, you know, Leon, 1241 01:00:50,038 --> 01:00:52,458 "Heh-heh-heh. I did it." 1242 01:00:52,541 --> 01:00:54,710 I think the whole demolishing of the hotel room 1243 01:00:54,793 --> 01:00:56,420 is so childish. 1244 01:00:56,503 --> 01:00:59,089 If life was bad enough on the road where you 1245 01:00:59,173 --> 01:01:00,674 couldn't get any sleep, at least like to have 1246 01:01:00,757 --> 01:01:02,426 a nice bed to sleep in once in a while. 1247 01:01:04,761 --> 01:01:07,097 Ed King has a total different mindset 1248 01:01:07,181 --> 01:01:10,476 than Southern country dropouts 1249 01:01:10,559 --> 01:01:13,520 who weren't very literate, and he was college educated. 1250 01:01:13,604 --> 01:01:19,193 He didn't really fit in as your brother on the road. 1251 01:01:19,276 --> 01:01:23,989 He would stop and buy $100 worth of Slim Jims, 1252 01:01:24,072 --> 01:01:27,576 you know, and have them in his briefcase, 1253 01:01:27,659 --> 01:01:30,829 and then you're driving for an hour or two and hungry, 1254 01:01:30,913 --> 01:01:32,164 so he'd sell them to us, 1255 01:01:32,247 --> 01:01:34,917 but he'd double or triple the price. 1256 01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:38,587 "I'll give you this Slim Jim for $1.50 instead of 25¢." 1257 01:01:38,670 --> 01:01:43,008 You know? A lot of times he was stingy with his drugs. 1258 01:01:43,091 --> 01:01:45,093 We were in New York City, 1259 01:01:45,177 --> 01:01:47,429 and I was doing LSD. 1260 01:01:47,513 --> 01:01:49,348 I was tripping. 1261 01:01:49,431 --> 01:01:51,183 I didn't trip a lot, but every once in a while 1262 01:01:51,266 --> 01:01:53,644 I'd get my hands on some windowpane, 1263 01:01:53,727 --> 01:01:57,189 some owsleys, you know, lysergic diethylamide, 1264 01:01:57,272 --> 01:02:00,734 and we were having a photo session. 1265 01:02:00,817 --> 01:02:04,071 This monkey roller-skates in across the dance floor. 1266 01:02:04,154 --> 01:02:06,198 He jumps up on the table. 1267 01:02:06,281 --> 01:02:09,618 Allen hands the monkey the bottle of Jack Daniels, 1268 01:02:09,701 --> 01:02:13,539 and the monkey just turns it up and starts drinking, 1269 01:02:13,622 --> 01:02:17,125 and Allen's looking at me with this big smile like, 1270 01:02:17,209 --> 01:02:19,169 you know, and I'm going, 1271 01:02:19,253 --> 01:02:22,214 "There's a monkey drinking jack Daniels 1272 01:02:22,297 --> 01:02:24,716 "that just roller-skated into the room. 1273 01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:26,510 Okay, okay, I'm good." 1274 01:02:29,346 --> 01:02:32,307 There was one place in Waterbury, Connecticut, 1275 01:02:32,391 --> 01:02:34,893 I'll never forget it, and we had our first bus. 1276 01:02:34,977 --> 01:02:36,353 Somebody had left the brake off, 1277 01:02:36,436 --> 01:02:38,564 and the bus had careened through the parking lot, 1278 01:02:38,647 --> 01:02:40,941 over a sports car, through the gas station, 1279 01:02:41,024 --> 01:02:43,110 and lodged into the bank, 1280 01:02:43,193 --> 01:02:44,653 and I thought that was hilarious, 1281 01:02:44,736 --> 01:02:46,113 and that was, I'm sure, on purpose. 1282 01:02:46,196 --> 01:02:48,740 Okay, so I'm a hypocrite. 1283 01:02:48,824 --> 01:02:50,909 So I thought some of the destruction was funny. 1284 01:02:56,039 --> 01:02:58,292 We went to England. 1285 01:02:58,375 --> 01:02:59,626 They acted like we were the Beatles... 1286 01:02:59,710 --> 01:03:00,877 Thank you! 1287 01:03:00,961 --> 01:03:02,087 And we couldn't believe it. 1288 01:03:02,170 --> 01:03:03,672 We were looking at each other 1289 01:03:03,755 --> 01:03:05,549 like, "God, can you believe this?" 1290 01:03:05,632 --> 01:03:07,759 They'd never heard of a Southern music 1291 01:03:07,843 --> 01:03:08,844 or Southern bands. 1292 01:03:08,927 --> 01:03:12,264 Over there, anybody from America's a Yankee. 1293 01:03:12,347 --> 01:03:14,308 They call you Yankees, 1294 01:03:14,391 --> 01:03:16,643 but we said, "No, we're from Southern America." 1295 01:03:16,727 --> 01:03:17,227 "Yeah, you're a Yankee." 1296 01:03:17,311 --> 01:03:19,896 We didn't like it 1297 01:03:19,980 --> 01:03:23,066 'cause it was like California was a different scene, 1298 01:03:23,150 --> 01:03:26,528 and New York was a different scene, and the South, 1299 01:03:26,612 --> 01:03:29,323 and that's where the flag came from. 1300 01:03:29,406 --> 01:03:31,617 ♪ Sweet home Alabama ♪ 1301 01:03:31,700 --> 01:03:32,993 It was a gimmick for us at first, you know? 1302 01:03:33,076 --> 01:03:36,913 A Southern band, and MCA made that a gimmick, a hype thing, 1303 01:03:36,997 --> 01:03:40,626 and then Southern band, you know, and hard rock 1304 01:03:40,709 --> 01:03:44,421 and rebels and drunken fighters and all this stuff, 1305 01:03:44,504 --> 01:03:46,506 and then they put out that publicity and hype. 1306 01:03:46,590 --> 01:03:48,300 That's what it is, nothing but hype. 1307 01:03:48,383 --> 01:03:49,968 Yes, it was the record company 1308 01:03:50,052 --> 01:03:51,803 pushing a Southern band. 1309 01:03:51,887 --> 01:03:54,348 No, it didn't bother me to play in front of a rebel flag 1310 01:03:54,431 --> 01:03:55,599 because I know how I feel. 1311 01:03:55,682 --> 01:03:59,436 I didn't think about it that deeply then. 1312 01:03:59,519 --> 01:04:01,146 I have since, and look what they've done. 1313 01:04:01,229 --> 01:04:03,607 They've taken the flag down on a lot of things 1314 01:04:03,690 --> 01:04:05,984 because it does represent hatred. 1315 01:04:06,068 --> 01:04:09,488 It's like the flag got kidnapped by the KKK. 1316 01:04:09,571 --> 01:04:12,824 They carried it, and all these evil people 1317 01:04:12,908 --> 01:04:15,786 use the Confederate flag as a hate thing. 1318 01:04:15,869 --> 01:04:18,830 It's them against the world kind of. 1319 01:04:18,914 --> 01:04:23,502 We never, ever one time meant the Confederate flag 1320 01:04:23,585 --> 01:04:25,545 to offend anyone, 1321 01:04:25,629 --> 01:04:28,173 but I know it's naive to say that, too, 1322 01:04:28,256 --> 01:04:29,508 'cause it does hurt people, 1323 01:04:29,591 --> 01:04:33,595 and it does remind them of the war and slavery 1324 01:04:33,679 --> 01:04:35,180 and all that, 1325 01:04:35,263 --> 01:04:37,099 but we weren't into it for that. 1326 01:04:37,182 --> 01:04:39,810 We were just showing where we were from, Southern music. 1327 01:05:00,205 --> 01:05:06,628 ♪ Sweet home Alabama ♪ 1328 01:05:06,712 --> 01:05:11,883 ♪ Where the skies are so blue ♪ 1329 01:05:11,967 --> 01:05:16,596 ♪ Sweet home Alabama ♪ 1330 01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:19,391 ♪ Lord, I'm coming home to you ♪ 1331 01:05:23,812 --> 01:05:27,065 The Southern culture, it means community. 1332 01:05:27,149 --> 01:05:30,402 Yeah, it means unity, but it's also ever-growing, 1333 01:05:30,485 --> 01:05:31,069 and it's always changing. 1334 01:05:36,992 --> 01:05:40,078 Cheers, Ronnie, cheers. 1335 01:05:40,162 --> 01:05:41,496 Well, good evening, everybody. 1336 01:05:41,580 --> 01:05:43,457 I'm Jim Ladden. Tonight "Interview" 1337 01:05:43,540 --> 01:05:45,625 goes to Dixie for a shot of that good ol' boy 1338 01:05:45,709 --> 01:05:47,419 brand of rock and roll, 1339 01:05:47,502 --> 01:05:49,421 so I hope you're in the mood to get drunk, 1340 01:05:49,504 --> 01:05:52,549 get loud, get dirty, and get into Lynyrd Skynyrd. 1341 01:05:56,595 --> 01:05:59,556 Everybody thinks we're a bunch of 1342 01:06:04,853 --> 01:06:07,898 Ronnie was short in stature, 1343 01:06:07,981 --> 01:06:09,691 and you would think he'd wear stacked heels 1344 01:06:09,775 --> 01:06:12,360 or cowboy boots on stage, but he wore nothing. 1345 01:06:12,444 --> 01:06:15,530 He was barefoot. I loved the fact 1346 01:06:15,614 --> 01:06:17,949 that he doesn't hoochie-coo around on stage. 1347 01:06:18,033 --> 01:06:22,204 He stood there and held that mike and planted himself 1348 01:06:22,287 --> 01:06:23,955 out on the front of that stage. 1349 01:06:24,039 --> 01:06:25,290 What you saw was what you got. 1350 01:06:25,373 --> 01:06:27,209 You know? Here I am. 1351 01:06:27,292 --> 01:06:29,294 People always ask me what was Ronnie really like, 1352 01:06:29,377 --> 01:06:31,129 and I always tell them, 1353 01:06:31,213 --> 01:06:33,089 "Just go listen to any six songs he ever wrote. 1354 01:06:33,173 --> 01:06:36,134 And that'll tell you. Doesn't matter which six." 1355 01:06:45,727 --> 01:06:47,562 ♪ 11 times I've been busted ♪ 1356 01:06:47,646 --> 01:06:50,982 ♪ 11 times I've been to jail ♪ 1357 01:06:51,066 --> 01:06:53,485 ♪ Some of the times I been there ♪ 1358 01:06:53,568 --> 01:06:55,487 ♪ Nobody could go my bail ♪ 1359 01:06:55,570 --> 01:06:57,739 ♪ Well, it seems to me, lord ♪ 1360 01:06:57,823 --> 01:07:03,495 ♪ That this old boy just don't fit ♪ 1361 01:07:03,578 --> 01:07:06,206 ♪ Well, I can jump in a rosebush ♪ 1362 01:07:06,289 --> 01:07:09,626 ♪ And come out smelling like sh... ♪ 1363 01:07:09,709 --> 01:07:14,005 When he would get a certain level of drunk, he'd get mean. 1364 01:07:14,089 --> 01:07:16,007 It was like a Jekyll and Hyde. 1365 01:07:16,091 --> 01:07:19,803 He was a badass, and he would attack you with all he had 1366 01:07:19,886 --> 01:07:22,389 and try to hurt you if he could. 1367 01:07:22,472 --> 01:07:24,391 I'd see him do interviews 1368 01:07:24,474 --> 01:07:26,685 where he'd start out real nice, 1369 01:07:26,768 --> 01:07:28,687 but we'd be drinking, 1370 01:07:28,770 --> 01:07:31,189 and by the end of the interview he'd slam and go, 1371 01:07:31,273 --> 01:07:33,275 "Let me ask you a question. 1372 01:07:33,358 --> 01:07:35,819 How the fuck you think you're gonna get out that door?" 1373 01:07:39,114 --> 01:07:41,366 ♪ Double trouble ♪ 1374 01:07:41,449 --> 01:07:43,702 ♪ That's what my friends all call me ♪ 1375 01:07:43,785 --> 01:07:47,372 ♪ Double trouble, double trouble ♪ 1376 01:07:47,455 --> 01:07:51,835 ♪ I said double trouble ♪ 1377 01:07:51,918 --> 01:07:54,212 ♪ T-R-O-U-B-L-E ♪ 1378 01:07:54,296 --> 01:07:57,757 ♪ Double trouble ♪ 1379 01:07:57,841 --> 01:07:59,217 Wow! 1380 01:07:59,301 --> 01:08:00,886 Ronnie's hands were not big, 1381 01:08:00,969 --> 01:08:03,054 but when they made a fist, 1382 01:08:03,138 --> 01:08:05,974 it was, like, a big fist, and it was flat. 1383 01:08:06,057 --> 01:08:07,767 He hit me a lot of times, Ronnie. 1384 01:08:07,851 --> 01:08:09,185 We would fight. He was terrible. 1385 01:08:09,269 --> 01:08:13,398 We were in Hamburg, Germany. He got real drunk on schnapps. 1386 01:08:13,481 --> 01:08:15,233 We'd never heard of schnapps. 1387 01:08:15,317 --> 01:08:17,611 Ronnie got in one of his bad moods 1388 01:08:17,694 --> 01:08:18,904 and hit one guy in the head with a bottle. 1389 01:08:18,987 --> 01:08:22,741 Of course, it broke. Then he came over to me, 1390 01:08:22,824 --> 01:08:24,409 and he took that bottle, and he went, 1391 01:08:24,492 --> 01:08:25,493 "You're never gonna play guitar again," 1392 01:08:25,577 --> 01:08:28,455 and he cut my hands here and there, 1393 01:08:28,538 --> 01:08:31,416 so the next day we played, 1394 01:08:31,499 --> 01:08:34,252 and I had these Band-Aids all on my hands, 1395 01:08:34,336 --> 01:08:37,297 and they would bleed, and the headline said, 1396 01:08:37,380 --> 01:08:39,049 "Bloodbath in Hamburg." 1397 01:08:39,132 --> 01:08:40,967 Ronnie throws me up against the wall, 1398 01:08:41,051 --> 01:08:42,928 gets the lamp from the corner table and breaks it, 1399 01:08:43,011 --> 01:08:44,804 and holds it up against my throat with all this 1400 01:08:44,888 --> 01:08:47,933 jagged glass coming out. After he's done with me, 1401 01:08:48,016 --> 01:08:50,143 he picked Allen up by the hair and threw him across the room. 1402 01:08:50,226 --> 01:08:53,605 When Ronnie was drunk, he was a strong one, man. 1403 01:08:53,688 --> 01:08:56,066 ♪ T-R-O-U-B-L-E ♪ 1404 01:08:59,527 --> 01:09:01,279 I'm the hippie from Southern California, man. 1405 01:09:01,363 --> 01:09:06,242 I'm... you know, I'm not digging the violence part. 1406 01:09:06,326 --> 01:09:08,411 There was one night in Ann Arbor, Michigan. 1407 01:09:08,495 --> 01:09:10,997 Ronnie was thrown in jail along with my guitar roadie, 1408 01:09:11,081 --> 01:09:13,166 changed my strings. 1409 01:09:13,249 --> 01:09:15,043 I don't know what they did to these cops, 1410 01:09:15,126 --> 01:09:16,461 but the cops threw them in jail. 1411 01:09:16,544 --> 01:09:17,629 Anyway, my roadie and Ronnie 1412 01:09:17,712 --> 01:09:19,923 didn't arrive to the Pittsburgh show 1413 01:09:20,006 --> 01:09:20,674 until, like, ten minutes before we went on. 1414 01:09:20,757 --> 01:09:23,009 I had to play on old strings. 1415 01:09:23,093 --> 01:09:25,762 That night I broke two strings during "Free Bird," 1416 01:09:25,845 --> 01:09:29,724 which I never do, and after the show Ronnie 1417 01:09:29,808 --> 01:09:32,268 was just on my ass all the way, you know? 1418 01:09:32,352 --> 01:09:34,437 "You don't amount to a pimple on Allen's ass." 1419 01:09:34,521 --> 01:09:37,023 Well, I said, "You might be right there." 1420 01:09:37,107 --> 01:09:40,652 He was just riding me, and I just said to myself... 1421 01:09:40,735 --> 01:09:42,278 like, a light went off in my head, 1422 01:09:42,362 --> 01:09:43,780 and I said, "That's it," you know? 1423 01:09:43,863 --> 01:09:46,533 So I went back to my room that night, 1424 01:09:46,616 --> 01:09:47,367 and I packed up all my stuff, 1425 01:09:47,450 --> 01:09:51,329 and I left, 1426 01:09:51,413 --> 01:09:53,456 and I didn't look back. 1427 01:09:53,540 --> 01:09:54,916 We were right in the middle of a tour, 1428 01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:59,004 and all of a sudden we woke up, and he was gone, 1429 01:09:59,087 --> 01:10:01,298 and we had to play that night, 1430 01:10:01,381 --> 01:10:03,216 so me and Allen had to get together 1431 01:10:03,300 --> 01:10:06,011 and work out his parts and who started what, 1432 01:10:06,094 --> 01:10:10,515 and we were pretty mad. All of a sudden he walks out, 1433 01:10:10,598 --> 01:10:11,725 "Fuck you. I'm just leaving." 1434 01:10:11,808 --> 01:10:14,644 We'd been up in the circuit 1435 01:10:14,728 --> 01:10:17,063 playing with all the big boys for a year or two. 1436 01:10:17,147 --> 01:10:20,650 It's hard to get to the top, but it's harder to stay. 1437 01:10:20,734 --> 01:10:26,197 ♪ Life is so strange when it's changing, yes, indeed ♪ 1438 01:10:26,281 --> 01:10:28,033 ♪ Well, I've seen the hard times ♪ 1439 01:10:28,116 --> 01:10:30,785 ♪ And the pressure's been on me ♪ 1440 01:10:30,869 --> 01:10:36,708 ♪ But I keep on working like a working man do ♪ 1441 01:10:36,791 --> 01:10:39,669 ♪ And I've got my act together ♪ 1442 01:10:39,753 --> 01:10:41,379 ♪ Gonna walk all over you ♪ 1443 01:10:41,463 --> 01:10:44,174 ♪ Gimme back, gimme back my bullets ♪ 1444 01:10:48,470 --> 01:10:52,724 That's Lynyrd Skynyrd from their cuckoo current album, 1445 01:10:52,807 --> 01:10:56,269 and all the giggling is Gary and Ronnie, 1446 01:10:56,353 --> 01:10:59,147 and they've just grown in popularity. 1447 01:10:59,230 --> 01:11:00,899 Do you still live in the South now? 1448 01:11:00,982 --> 01:11:02,650 - Yes, yes, we do. - And your lifestyle's 1449 01:11:02,734 --> 01:11:04,569 the same? Nothing's changed? 1450 01:11:04,652 --> 01:11:06,071 Well, our houses are a little bit better. 1451 01:11:06,154 --> 01:11:07,280 - You live a little better? - Yes. 1452 01:11:07,364 --> 01:11:10,575 We got a better boat, fishing boat. That's about it. 1453 01:11:10,658 --> 01:11:14,371 The lure of the big city doesn't turn you on? 1454 01:11:14,454 --> 01:11:16,039 We're just country boys. 1455 01:11:21,461 --> 01:11:23,421 Never forget the first time I met Ronnie Van Zant. 1456 01:11:23,505 --> 01:11:26,716 He had his feet propped up on the table. 1457 01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:27,634 Yeah, I walked through the door, and he said, 1458 01:11:27,717 --> 01:11:29,594 "She'll do just fine." 1459 01:11:29,677 --> 01:11:32,055 He hired me on the spot. I never had to sing for him. 1460 01:11:32,138 --> 01:11:33,014 He treated us like gold. He really did. 1461 01:11:33,098 --> 01:11:37,644 He was awesome. He was such a gentleman. 1462 01:11:37,727 --> 01:11:39,104 Ronnie wanted background vocalists. 1463 01:11:39,187 --> 01:11:42,774 To have girls on stage was kind of cool, you know? 1464 01:11:42,857 --> 01:11:44,317 There wasn't too many bands that had that yet. 1465 01:11:48,446 --> 01:11:50,532 Ronnie, he called us Honkettes, 1466 01:11:50,615 --> 01:11:52,492 'cause he'd always call me Honky for some reason. 1467 01:11:52,575 --> 01:11:54,577 I never understood that. 1468 01:11:54,661 --> 01:11:57,455 JoJo was the whiskey voice, you know, 1469 01:11:57,539 --> 01:11:59,624 "Hey, baby," you know? 1470 01:11:59,707 --> 01:12:02,710 Leslie Hawkins was Ronnie's songbird. 1471 01:12:02,794 --> 01:12:04,629 He had his soprano with Leslie, 1472 01:12:04,712 --> 01:12:07,799 and Cassie, she had that Broadway voice. 1473 01:12:07,882 --> 01:12:10,718 She looked like a German milkmaid, 1474 01:12:10,802 --> 01:12:12,720 the way she did her hair. 1475 01:12:14,681 --> 01:12:18,560 Cassie Gaines was real spiritual and cosmic 1476 01:12:18,643 --> 01:12:22,981 and listening to new Zen music and far-out stuff. 1477 01:12:23,064 --> 01:12:25,692 We get to our hotel, and, you know, 1478 01:12:25,775 --> 01:12:27,068 we'd always go down to Cassie's 1479 01:12:27,152 --> 01:12:28,027 and smoke a big, fat doobie. 1480 01:12:28,111 --> 01:12:31,990 With a few scarves and maybe a shawl, 1481 01:12:32,073 --> 01:12:34,200 she'd make the room into her own, you know? 1482 01:12:34,284 --> 01:12:36,870 It was like being home. 1483 01:12:36,953 --> 01:12:40,415 Cassie was involved in I-Ching and meditation 1484 01:12:40,498 --> 01:12:41,916 and things like that, and see, I'd never seen 1485 01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:43,835 anything like that before in my life, 1486 01:12:43,918 --> 01:12:45,128 and over here I'd be grabbing the Gideon bible, 1487 01:12:45,211 --> 01:12:48,047 you know, shooting shotgun prayers up there, 1488 01:12:48,131 --> 01:12:49,716 you know, hoping something would stick. 1489 01:12:49,799 --> 01:12:52,177 Cass and I were close. 1490 01:12:52,260 --> 01:12:54,387 Jo was a little younger, 1491 01:12:54,471 --> 01:12:56,973 you know, a little wilder than Cass and I were. 1492 01:12:57,056 --> 01:13:02,270 Jo had a hard time, I think, dealing with the fame. 1493 01:13:02,353 --> 01:13:04,147 Actually, toward the end Jo got 1494 01:13:04,230 --> 01:13:06,524 a little too far out of hand 1495 01:13:06,608 --> 01:13:11,196 and left the band in August before the crash, 1496 01:13:11,279 --> 01:13:13,114 which was lucky for her, you know? 1497 01:13:13,198 --> 01:13:14,073 I mean, it was great to be in the band, 1498 01:13:14,157 --> 01:13:17,160 but, you know, if you had a crystal ball, 1499 01:13:17,243 --> 01:13:18,077 you'd be happy that it happened. 1500 01:13:22,957 --> 01:13:25,710 Me and Allen, for a year or two 1501 01:13:25,793 --> 01:13:28,922 we would just play alone with no third guitar. 1502 01:13:29,005 --> 01:13:30,882 Cassie kept talking about her little brother. 1503 01:13:30,965 --> 01:13:33,551 "Oh, he's a great guitar player," 1504 01:13:33,635 --> 01:13:35,595 but everybody used to tell us, "Oh, man, 1505 01:13:35,678 --> 01:13:38,473 you should hear this guy," or, "My cousin, you'd love him. 1506 01:13:38,556 --> 01:13:40,642 He's great," and we'd go, "Yeah, yeah." 1507 01:13:43,019 --> 01:13:45,939 So finally we were playing in a town 1508 01:13:46,022 --> 01:13:48,733 where he had a band called Crawdaddy, 1509 01:13:48,816 --> 01:13:50,860 so he came to our show that night, 1510 01:13:50,944 --> 01:13:54,697 and he brought his guitar 'cause he was going to a gig. 1511 01:13:54,781 --> 01:13:57,367 We said, "Why don't you come play on 'Mr. Breeze' with us?" 1512 01:13:57,450 --> 01:13:58,868 ♪ Change in the weather ♪ 1513 01:13:58,952 --> 01:14:01,037 And he was great. 1514 01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:02,872 He played the shit out of it. 1515 01:14:04,541 --> 01:14:07,085 He was so tremendous that I just told Ronnie and Gary 1516 01:14:07,168 --> 01:14:11,589 that night, you know, "Hey, he's the one." 1517 01:14:11,673 --> 01:14:14,759 Steve Gaines was gonna fit back there. 1518 01:14:14,842 --> 01:14:17,637 The first week or two, all's we'd do all day 1519 01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:19,180 and night was show him stuff, 1520 01:14:19,264 --> 01:14:20,390 and we worked him into all the songs 1521 01:14:20,473 --> 01:14:24,769 so he could go play the live album in a couple weeks. 1522 01:14:24,852 --> 01:14:30,275 Live from the Fox Theater, Lynyrd Skynyrd! 1523 01:14:30,358 --> 01:14:33,403 Uhh, let me tell you about this gentleman 1524 01:14:33,486 --> 01:14:35,113 that's playing with us tonight. 1525 01:14:35,196 --> 01:14:36,656 It's a new member of Lynyrd Skynyrd. 1526 01:14:36,739 --> 01:14:38,533 His name's Steve Gaines over here, 1527 01:14:38,616 --> 01:14:39,450 and he's from Oklahoma, and he's a Okie. 1528 01:14:39,534 --> 01:14:41,286 Watch out. I'm gonna sic a Okie on you. 1529 01:14:45,957 --> 01:14:47,792 Well, this might sound egotistical, 1530 01:14:47,875 --> 01:14:49,794 but I think right now 1531 01:14:49,877 --> 01:14:52,297 I have a guitar player with me named Steve Gaines. 1532 01:14:52,380 --> 01:14:54,549 - This man. - Who is probably 1533 01:14:54,632 --> 01:14:57,260 the most underestimated guitar player 1534 01:14:57,343 --> 01:15:00,680 on the south side of the Mason-Dixon line. 1535 01:15:00,763 --> 01:15:03,057 Steve had all these songs that he'd already written 1536 01:15:03,141 --> 01:15:04,601 and he brought in, 1537 01:15:04,684 --> 01:15:06,394 and then we would Skynyrd-ize it 1538 01:15:06,477 --> 01:15:09,480 and make one of his songs ours. 1539 01:15:09,564 --> 01:15:10,648 Me and Allen weren't offering 1540 01:15:10,732 --> 01:15:13,610 probably as much as we could have at the time. 1541 01:15:13,693 --> 01:15:17,947 We were so burnt, we kind of got uninspired. 1542 01:15:18,031 --> 01:15:19,824 We knew something was missing, and Steve was it. 1543 01:15:19,907 --> 01:15:22,452 It was like he found us, 1544 01:15:22,535 --> 01:15:24,662 brought a spark back to everything. 1545 01:15:24,746 --> 01:15:26,706 He made us get serious again, 1546 01:15:26,789 --> 01:15:30,043 and we would rehearse more and work up guitar parts more. 1547 01:15:30,126 --> 01:15:33,921 Steve could grow excellent, like, tomatoes. 1548 01:15:34,005 --> 01:15:35,965 I wouldn't call him a farm boy, 1549 01:15:36,049 --> 01:15:38,509 but he could grow some bud. 1550 01:15:38,593 --> 01:15:42,347 When I get on the stage and a Skynyrd crowd are there, 1551 01:15:42,430 --> 01:15:44,432 it just means everything to me. 1552 01:15:44,515 --> 01:15:46,684 It's all I've wanted to do up till now. 1553 01:15:46,768 --> 01:15:48,061 Now I'm trying to figure out 1554 01:15:48,144 --> 01:15:49,937 what I can do from here, you know? 1555 01:15:53,107 --> 01:15:54,359 Well, we were doing great in Europe. 1556 01:15:54,442 --> 01:15:57,070 Skynyrd was as big there as America, 1557 01:15:57,153 --> 01:15:58,696 but we couldn't believe 1558 01:15:58,780 --> 01:15:59,864 we were gonna open for the Stones. 1559 01:15:59,947 --> 01:16:02,617 Nothing could be bigger. 1560 01:16:02,700 --> 01:16:04,577 It was the biggest show we ever did, you know? 1561 01:16:04,661 --> 01:16:05,536 Just people everywhere. 1562 01:16:05,620 --> 01:16:08,206 And we were way early to make sure 1563 01:16:08,289 --> 01:16:10,667 you could get to the stage through all the people, 1564 01:16:10,750 --> 01:16:12,835 so we started drinking a little, 1565 01:16:12,919 --> 01:16:15,380 and Cassie had a little pot, I think, but we looked up, 1566 01:16:15,463 --> 01:16:19,217 and walking through the door is Jack Nicholson. 1567 01:16:19,300 --> 01:16:20,468 "I smell something in here. Can... may I join you?" 1568 01:16:20,551 --> 01:16:24,889 So it got crazy, and we were getting feisty and drunk, 1569 01:16:24,972 --> 01:16:28,226 and we went out and had a great set. 1570 01:16:28,309 --> 01:16:30,687 I don't know, when you're young and adrenaline hits you, 1571 01:16:30,770 --> 01:16:32,605 you kind of shake off stuff. 1572 01:16:40,113 --> 01:16:41,739 We started "Free Bird," 1573 01:16:41,823 --> 01:16:43,116 and the whole crowd was really rocking. 1574 01:16:43,199 --> 01:16:45,535 You could see they were all into it. 1575 01:16:48,955 --> 01:16:51,582 When we started the end, Ronnie directed Allen 1576 01:16:51,666 --> 01:16:55,002 to go out front, and Allen was kind of hesitant 1577 01:16:55,086 --> 01:16:57,380 'cause there was a rule not to go out on the tongue 1578 01:16:57,463 --> 01:17:00,258 'cause the tongue was the Stones... you know, 1579 01:17:00,341 --> 01:17:02,760 that was gonna be their whole look, 1580 01:17:02,844 --> 01:17:04,429 so Ronnie walked us all the way down 1581 01:17:04,512 --> 01:17:07,682 just to defy that order. 1582 01:17:07,765 --> 01:17:11,102 Allen went out all the way till his cord stopped, 1583 01:17:11,185 --> 01:17:14,856 and Leon, he went till his cord jerked him back around, 1584 01:17:14,939 --> 01:17:17,650 and Mick Jagger was mad. 1585 01:17:17,734 --> 01:17:21,821 It took their breath away to see how well we went over 1586 01:17:21,904 --> 01:17:24,615 and how we broke their only rule, 1587 01:17:24,699 --> 01:17:25,450 don't go out on the tongue. 1588 01:17:31,372 --> 01:17:34,417 I tell you what, it's a dream. 1589 01:17:34,500 --> 01:17:35,585 Everybody's still living the dream. 1590 01:17:35,668 --> 01:17:38,045 It's still amazing to see how the people out there 1591 01:17:38,129 --> 01:17:39,380 just go crazy, you know? 1592 01:17:49,474 --> 01:17:51,392 Nine years of hard work, 1593 01:17:51,476 --> 01:17:53,728 rehearsing, recording, touring. 1594 01:17:53,811 --> 01:17:56,355 That's what it took to become Lynyrd Skynyrd. 1595 01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:58,357 Now their finest achievement, "Street Survivors." 1596 01:17:58,441 --> 01:18:02,862 ♪ What's your name, little girl ♪ 1597 01:18:02,945 --> 01:18:05,156 ♪ What's your name? ♪ 1598 01:18:05,239 --> 01:18:06,157 ♪ Oh ♪ 1599 01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:09,160 This is, like, the sixth album. 1600 01:18:09,243 --> 01:18:11,871 I don't know what the "Rolling Stone" will say about it. 1601 01:18:11,954 --> 01:18:13,831 I don't know what "Creem" will say about it. 1602 01:18:13,915 --> 01:18:16,834 I know for a fact it's the best album we've ever done. 1603 01:18:16,918 --> 01:18:19,212 I'll slap leather with anyone. 1604 01:18:19,295 --> 01:18:21,172 Where do you see Lynyrd Skynyrd going from here? 1605 01:18:21,255 --> 01:18:22,548 Well, we'll go to hell if we don't change our ways. 1606 01:18:28,554 --> 01:18:31,349 There was a saying back in the day, 1607 01:18:31,432 --> 01:18:32,558 "There's the smell of death around him." 1608 01:18:32,642 --> 01:18:36,354 It was like a smell around whatever was gonna die. 1609 01:18:39,357 --> 01:18:43,528 ♪ Whiskey bottles and brand-new cars ♪ 1610 01:18:43,611 --> 01:18:47,198 ♪ Oak tree, you're in my way ♪ 1611 01:18:47,281 --> 01:18:51,410 ♪ There's too much coke and too much smoke ♪ 1612 01:18:51,494 --> 01:18:55,706 ♪ Look what's going on inside you ♪ 1613 01:18:55,790 --> 01:18:58,835 ♪ Ooh, that smell ♪ 1614 01:18:58,918 --> 01:19:01,879 ♪ Can't you smell that smell? ♪ 1615 01:19:03,047 --> 01:19:06,133 I'm just going to a club somewhere with a girl. 1616 01:19:06,217 --> 01:19:08,886 I think her name was Sandy. 1617 01:19:08,970 --> 01:19:10,888 I think we ate a Quaalude or something, 1618 01:19:10,972 --> 01:19:14,433 so I was out of it, and we were going back home, 1619 01:19:14,517 --> 01:19:17,937 and I kind of sped around a curve and lost control 1620 01:19:18,020 --> 01:19:20,189 and hit a oak tree. 1621 01:19:20,273 --> 01:19:22,859 I busted all my teeth out. 1622 01:19:22,942 --> 01:19:26,362 I just came up with those lyrics about me stupid, 1623 01:19:26,445 --> 01:19:27,572 drunk, and crazy. 1624 01:19:27,655 --> 01:19:29,282 I made a bad mistake, 1625 01:19:29,365 --> 01:19:31,242 but we got a good song out of it. 1626 01:19:31,325 --> 01:19:34,871 ♪ Now, they call you Prince Charming ♪ 1627 01:19:34,954 --> 01:19:39,250 ♪ Can't speak a word when you're full of 'Ludes ♪ 1628 01:19:39,333 --> 01:19:43,087 ♪ Say, you'll be all right come tomorrow ♪ 1629 01:19:43,170 --> 01:19:46,591 ♪ But tomorrow might not be here for you ♪ 1630 01:19:47,967 --> 01:19:50,553 ♪ Yeah, you ♪ 1631 01:19:50,636 --> 01:19:52,263 Everybody was trying to clean up 1632 01:19:52,346 --> 01:19:54,140 their act some, you know? It just got too wild, 1633 01:19:54,223 --> 01:19:55,766 and Ronnie had decided he was gonna clean up his act 1634 01:19:55,850 --> 01:19:58,978 because he and Judy had just had Melody, 1635 01:19:59,061 --> 01:20:02,440 and, you know, he realized that he wasn't gonna live long 1636 01:20:02,523 --> 01:20:04,066 if they didn't straighten it out. 1637 01:20:05,401 --> 01:20:06,944 ♪ Seems so long ♪ 1638 01:20:07,028 --> 01:20:08,863 ♪ I been out on my own ♪ 1639 01:20:08,946 --> 01:20:12,533 ♪ Travel light ♪ and I'm always alone ♪ 1640 01:20:12,617 --> 01:20:17,163 ♪ Guess I was born with a traveling bone ♪ 1641 01:20:18,831 --> 01:20:21,626 ♪ When my time's up, I'll hold my own ♪ 1642 01:20:21,709 --> 01:20:25,338 ♪ You won't find me in a old folks home ♪ 1643 01:20:25,421 --> 01:20:27,256 ♪ You got that right ♪ 1644 01:20:29,050 --> 01:20:31,385 After all those years, 12 years Gary and I 1645 01:20:31,469 --> 01:20:33,429 and Allen have been together, 1646 01:20:33,512 --> 01:20:35,640 it finally paid off in just 1647 01:20:35,723 --> 01:20:36,557 something that you believed in, 1648 01:20:36,641 --> 01:20:38,935 that you could do it, you know? 1649 01:20:39,018 --> 01:20:41,020 That fact that we proved it, you know, 1650 01:20:41,103 --> 01:20:42,688 that really makes me happy, and you know, just everything 1651 01:20:42,772 --> 01:20:44,690 seems to be going pretty good for me right now. 1652 01:20:44,774 --> 01:20:48,027 I'm probably happier than I ever have been before. 1653 01:20:48,110 --> 01:20:49,695 I mean, it could end tomorrow, you know? 1654 01:20:49,779 --> 01:20:51,739 I mean, Lynyrd Skynyrd could be gone tomorrow. 1655 01:20:54,283 --> 01:20:55,743 The one thing that I want 1656 01:20:55,826 --> 01:20:56,702 the world to know about my band 1657 01:20:56,786 --> 01:21:02,208 is how bravely my band met their death. 1658 01:21:02,291 --> 01:21:04,919 We spiraled in from 9,000 feet. 1659 01:21:05,002 --> 01:21:08,673 Everyone knew it was gonna end badly. 1660 01:21:08,756 --> 01:21:11,676 There was no panic, no chaos. 1661 01:21:11,759 --> 01:21:16,639 Everybody was in prayer, in deep thought, 1662 01:21:16,722 --> 01:21:19,642 and I admired that about them, 1663 01:21:19,725 --> 01:21:25,606 that they met their death that way, and they did. 1664 01:21:35,616 --> 01:21:39,245 Things were going wrong with the plane a little bit, 1665 01:21:39,328 --> 01:21:41,622 nothing serious but enough to notice 1666 01:21:41,706 --> 01:21:45,167 it wasn't flying top-notch, you know? 1667 01:21:46,293 --> 01:21:48,421 We were about to get maintenance on it 1668 01:21:48,504 --> 01:21:50,047 and put it in the shop 1669 01:21:50,131 --> 01:21:52,174 because a engine was sputtering. 1670 01:21:52,258 --> 01:21:53,426 It needed a tune-up, I guess. 1671 01:21:53,509 --> 01:21:57,304 I wasn't really worried about it myself, 1672 01:21:57,388 --> 01:21:59,432 but I'll only speak for me. 1673 01:21:59,515 --> 01:22:01,308 I know before we took off and stuff, 1674 01:22:01,392 --> 01:22:04,562 some of the girls and Allen 1675 01:22:04,645 --> 01:22:07,481 and some of the guys didn't want to fly, 1676 01:22:07,565 --> 01:22:09,734 and Ronnie was the one who said, 1677 01:22:09,817 --> 01:22:11,402 "When it's our time to go, 1678 01:22:11,485 --> 01:22:12,403 you can kiss my ass good-bye," you know? 1679 01:22:12,486 --> 01:22:15,740 But he didn't know, and he said, 1680 01:22:15,823 --> 01:22:19,452 "We got a plane here to take us to our hotel 1681 01:22:19,535 --> 01:22:21,454 "and to do a show tonight. 1682 01:22:21,537 --> 01:22:24,248 Get on, or get your own way there." 1683 01:22:24,331 --> 01:22:26,167 I was with Ronnie saying, "Let's just do it, 1684 01:22:26,250 --> 01:22:29,253 get it fixed tomorrow," 1685 01:22:29,336 --> 01:22:30,588 but it never happened. 1686 01:22:37,511 --> 01:22:39,764 Everybody was playing poker. 1687 01:22:39,847 --> 01:22:43,309 I remember Ronnie did have a little hangover, 1688 01:22:43,392 --> 01:22:46,103 so he just threw a pillow down and was laying on the floor, 1689 01:22:46,187 --> 01:22:48,606 and all of a sudden you could really feel 1690 01:22:48,689 --> 01:22:51,233 a little sputtering and spitting. 1691 01:22:51,317 --> 01:22:55,071 I was in the cockpit in the navigator jump seat 1692 01:22:55,154 --> 01:22:57,073 in between the pilot and the copilot. 1693 01:22:57,156 --> 01:22:58,616 I looked at Walter McCreary, and I said, 1694 01:22:58,699 --> 01:23:00,743 "We can fly on one engine, right?" 1695 01:23:00,826 --> 01:23:04,705 He looked at me with fear in his eyes, and I saw it. 1696 01:23:04,789 --> 01:23:06,624 His eyes were bugging out. 1697 01:23:06,707 --> 01:23:07,666 He said, "Artimus, you better go back 1698 01:23:07,750 --> 01:23:09,919 and strap yourself in." 1699 01:23:10,002 --> 01:23:11,545 The pilot sent the copilot back to say, 1700 01:23:11,629 --> 01:23:14,298 "Hey, we're gonna make a landing 1701 01:23:14,381 --> 01:23:15,466 "and try to see what's happening here, 1702 01:23:15,549 --> 01:23:18,010 "so it might be a little rough, 1703 01:23:18,094 --> 01:23:21,472 so put your heads between your legs," 1704 01:23:21,555 --> 01:23:25,518 like back in the Cold War when the schools said, 1705 01:23:25,601 --> 01:23:28,062 "There's a nuclear bomb coming. Just get under your desk. 1706 01:23:28,145 --> 01:23:30,272 You'll be fine." 1707 01:23:30,356 --> 01:23:31,774 Ronnie walked to the rear of the plane, 1708 01:23:31,857 --> 01:23:33,984 and I thought to myself, "Good idea," 1709 01:23:34,068 --> 01:23:37,947 and then he came up the aisle and stopped right by me. 1710 01:23:38,030 --> 01:23:40,741 We shook the old hippie handshake. 1711 01:23:40,825 --> 01:23:43,786 He smiled, and then Ronnie walked back 1712 01:23:43,869 --> 01:23:45,663 to the front of the plane. 1713 01:23:45,746 --> 01:23:48,374 I'll never forget the smile that he gave me, 1714 01:23:48,457 --> 01:23:52,169 that beautiful Ronnie Van Zant smile. 1715 01:23:52,253 --> 01:23:55,131 We started hitting the treetops real... 1716 01:23:55,214 --> 01:23:58,884 you could hear them, and it got louder and louder 1717 01:23:58,968 --> 01:24:00,469 and... 1718 01:24:00,553 --> 01:24:04,473 until it just got so overwhelming, loud, 1719 01:24:04,557 --> 01:24:09,311 and bumping that that's when I, I guess, got knocked out. 1720 01:24:09,395 --> 01:24:11,564 It felt like a thousand baseball bats 1721 01:24:11,647 --> 01:24:12,690 being beaten on the fuselage. 1722 01:24:12,773 --> 01:24:16,318 So the plane started coming apart, 1723 01:24:16,402 --> 01:24:16,944 and I'm looking out the window. 1724 01:24:17,027 --> 01:24:17,820 The left wing comes off. 1725 01:24:20,406 --> 01:24:21,991 I woke up on the ground. 1726 01:24:22,074 --> 01:24:24,410 I thought a plane door was on me 1727 01:24:24,493 --> 01:24:25,953 'cause I couldn't move and get up. 1728 01:24:26,036 --> 01:24:30,791 In reality, I was so broken, all my bones and legs 1729 01:24:30,875 --> 01:24:35,880 and everything, I just couldn't get up. 1730 01:24:35,963 --> 01:24:37,673 And I said, "Dean, get this door off me. 1731 01:24:37,756 --> 01:24:38,507 Dean, come here," 1732 01:24:38,591 --> 01:24:40,718 and I swear to God, to me, 1733 01:24:40,801 --> 01:24:44,722 he came over and pushed the door off me. 1734 01:24:44,805 --> 01:24:47,808 Later on, one of the doctors said that he couldn't have 1735 01:24:47,892 --> 01:24:51,020 done that, the way they brought him in. 1736 01:24:51,103 --> 01:24:52,897 He was too far gone, you know? 1737 01:24:52,980 --> 01:24:55,774 But I saw him do it. 1738 01:24:55,858 --> 01:24:57,067 My friends were bleeding to death. 1739 01:24:57,151 --> 01:25:00,404 I knew that the only thing that was gonna help my friends 1740 01:25:00,487 --> 01:25:02,239 was to get to a farmhouse 1741 01:25:02,323 --> 01:25:03,908 and bring help back to that crash site, 1742 01:25:03,991 --> 01:25:09,246 but we stopped so fast, my boots had come off, 1743 01:25:09,330 --> 01:25:12,166 and I couldn't bend over because of my chest injuries, 1744 01:25:12,249 --> 01:25:15,419 so I'm walking through the briars and the brambles, 1745 01:25:15,502 --> 01:25:17,504 and it was getting darker and darker. 1746 01:25:17,588 --> 01:25:21,300 I remember waking up to the helicopters that were hovering, 1747 01:25:21,383 --> 01:25:23,761 you know, and they were shining lights down into the swamp. 1748 01:25:23,844 --> 01:25:26,305 It was like Vietnam in my head. 1749 01:25:26,388 --> 01:25:29,767 I only seen it on TV, 1750 01:25:29,850 --> 01:25:32,269 but the helicopters and your buddies screaming 1751 01:25:32,353 --> 01:25:35,064 and yelling in pain and dying around you. 1752 01:25:35,147 --> 01:25:36,732 Last night in woods near McComb, Mississippi, 1753 01:25:36,815 --> 01:25:39,151 a chartered airplane crashed, 1754 01:25:39,235 --> 01:25:42,363 and with it went the rising hopes of a popular rock band, 1755 01:25:42,446 --> 01:25:44,657 Lynyrd Skynyrd. 1756 01:25:44,740 --> 01:25:46,951 Survivors said the plane was so rundown, 1757 01:25:47,034 --> 01:25:49,203 they'd been considering not flying in it again. 1758 01:25:49,286 --> 01:25:54,166 The next thing I remember was waking up in the hospital, 1759 01:25:54,250 --> 01:25:57,920 and both arms were broken and both legs, 1760 01:25:58,003 --> 01:26:01,465 and this leg got cut off except for a little bit of skin, 1761 01:26:01,548 --> 01:26:04,551 and they put it back on, and I had some ribs broken, 1762 01:26:04,635 --> 01:26:07,221 my pelvic and all... everything, man. 1763 01:26:07,304 --> 01:26:10,849 The band was traveling from a concert in South Carolina 1764 01:26:10,933 --> 01:26:12,685 to another one in Louisiana, 1765 01:26:12,768 --> 01:26:15,980 part of a four-month tour that just started. 1766 01:26:16,063 --> 01:26:19,149 As victims and survivors were brought to hospitals, 1767 01:26:19,233 --> 01:26:20,109 no one could say for sure 1768 01:26:20,192 --> 01:26:23,654 how many people were aboard the plane, 1769 01:26:23,737 --> 01:26:25,823 but by dawn six passengers were known dead. 1770 01:26:25,906 --> 01:26:28,492 20 others, many of them technicians 1771 01:26:28,575 --> 01:26:30,035 and friend of the band, 1772 01:26:30,119 --> 01:26:32,663 were listed as injured, many critically. 1773 01:26:32,746 --> 01:26:34,748 It was... had to be the next day 1774 01:26:34,832 --> 01:26:39,545 'cause my mother had gotten there, and I asked her, 1775 01:26:39,628 --> 01:26:42,172 "Did anyone die?" and she wouldn't tell me 1776 01:26:42,256 --> 01:26:46,593 for... it seemed to me for a long time. 1777 01:26:46,677 --> 01:26:47,970 I said, "Please tell me," 1778 01:26:48,053 --> 01:26:52,266 and she started right off with Ronnie, 1779 01:26:52,349 --> 01:26:54,852 and that really freaked me out 'cause he was the tough guy. 1780 01:26:54,935 --> 01:26:58,022 I thought if he died, everybody else did. 1781 01:26:58,105 --> 01:26:59,773 Those dead are Lynyrd Skynyrd lead singer 1782 01:26:59,857 --> 01:27:00,607 Ronnie Van Zant, 1783 01:27:00,691 --> 01:27:03,110 guitarist Steve Gaines, 1784 01:27:03,193 --> 01:27:04,069 and his sister Cassie, a backup vocalist, 1785 01:27:04,153 --> 01:27:06,822 assistant road manager Dean Kilpatrick, 1786 01:27:06,905 --> 01:27:09,616 the plane's pilot Walter McCreary, 1787 01:27:09,700 --> 01:27:10,951 and copilot William Gray. 1788 01:27:11,035 --> 01:27:13,871 There was two benches in the front of the plane. 1789 01:27:13,954 --> 01:27:18,542 Ronnie was here, and I was between him and Dean, 1790 01:27:18,625 --> 01:27:19,710 and Allen was right across 1791 01:27:19,793 --> 01:27:23,047 on that little bench in front of me, 1792 01:27:23,130 --> 01:27:25,799 and he was between Cassie and Steve, 1793 01:27:25,883 --> 01:27:29,261 so all those people died, and Allen and me didn't, 1794 01:27:29,345 --> 01:27:31,347 and after it we freaked out a bit. 1795 01:27:31,430 --> 01:27:33,515 Why did we live and didn't die? 1796 01:27:35,851 --> 01:27:39,688 ♪ Just the other day ♪ 1797 01:27:39,772 --> 01:27:42,941 ♪ I heard my friend say ♪ 1798 01:27:43,025 --> 01:27:46,779 ♪ Life was oh so bad ♪ 1799 01:27:46,862 --> 01:27:50,741 ♪ And love was all they had ♪ 1800 01:27:50,824 --> 01:27:54,411 ♪ You know, all day long ♪ 1801 01:27:54,495 --> 01:27:58,248 ♪ I sing sad songs ♪ 1802 01:27:58,332 --> 01:28:01,502 ♪ Got the blues feel ♪ 1803 01:28:01,585 --> 01:28:04,671 ♪ Things no doctor can heal ♪ 1804 01:28:04,755 --> 01:28:08,509 ♪ You know, that's okay ♪ 1805 01:28:08,592 --> 01:28:12,596 ♪ I'll never change my ways ♪ 1806 01:28:12,679 --> 01:28:16,058 ♪ And maybe I am wrong ♪ 1807 01:28:16,141 --> 01:28:18,936 ♪ But I'll soon be gone ♪ 1808 01:28:19,019 --> 01:28:21,397 Guitarist Gary Rossington is in stable condition 1809 01:28:21,480 --> 01:28:23,399 after surgery this morning at Baptist Hospital. 1810 01:28:23,482 --> 01:28:27,069 Pianist Billy Powell is in stable condition at Baptist. 1811 01:28:27,152 --> 01:28:29,238 Guitarist Allen Collins is undergoing surgery 1812 01:28:29,321 --> 01:28:30,406 at the University Medical Center now. 1813 01:28:30,489 --> 01:28:32,866 Bass player Leon Wilkeson is in critical condition 1814 01:28:32,950 --> 01:28:36,286 in Southwest Medical Center in McComb, 1815 01:28:36,370 --> 01:28:37,413 and drummer Artimus Pyle 1816 01:28:37,496 --> 01:28:39,873 is in good condition at a hospital in Magnolia. 1817 01:28:39,957 --> 01:28:42,793 This is Randy Bell, ZZQ News. 1818 01:28:42,876 --> 01:28:45,295 A lot of flowers came in, 1819 01:28:45,379 --> 01:28:47,798 and they set them all around the room. 1820 01:28:47,881 --> 01:28:51,468 For days I remember the faces of Ronnie 1821 01:28:51,552 --> 01:28:53,345 and everybody who died. 1822 01:28:54,847 --> 01:28:59,685 I could see their faces like a shadow in those plants. 1823 01:28:59,768 --> 01:29:01,311 I could look up at them. 1824 01:29:01,395 --> 01:29:04,523 I even said, "Don't you see them up there, mama? 1825 01:29:04,606 --> 01:29:07,943 Don't..." and it was just me, I guess. 1826 01:29:08,986 --> 01:29:12,114 I think they were there helping, you know, 1827 01:29:12,197 --> 01:29:13,949 in those flowers for about a week. 1828 01:29:14,032 --> 01:29:15,993 Then they went away. The spirits went away. 1829 01:29:25,919 --> 01:29:27,171 Mama was the first one buried here, 1830 01:29:27,254 --> 01:29:28,172 and then whenever they tried to break 1831 01:29:28,255 --> 01:29:30,883 into Ronnie's grave and Steve, moved out... 1832 01:29:30,966 --> 01:29:32,593 - Just all out of here. - We brought him out here. 1833 01:29:32,676 --> 01:29:34,678 This is where Daddy wanted him at in the beginning. 1834 01:29:34,761 --> 01:29:37,055 Yeah, I know. I must be over here. 1835 01:29:37,139 --> 01:29:37,931 You're gonna be right there. 1836 01:29:38,015 --> 01:29:40,893 I'll be spitting range from you. 1837 01:29:43,353 --> 01:29:46,732 My wife and I just bought that right over there. 1838 01:29:46,815 --> 01:29:48,650 - It's all marked out too. - Yeah, I know. 1839 01:29:48,734 --> 01:29:50,569 It's all marked out. Let's walk over there, 1840 01:29:50,652 --> 01:29:52,905 - or do you want... - I don't really want to. 1841 01:29:52,988 --> 01:29:57,117 I don't want to yet. 1842 01:29:57,201 --> 01:29:59,870 Too sacred ground. 1843 01:29:59,953 --> 01:30:01,955 Hey, look, there's money on it, 1844 01:30:02,039 --> 01:30:03,749 on top of his tombstone there. 1845 01:30:03,832 --> 01:30:05,792 You know, people put things out here. 1846 01:30:05,876 --> 01:30:07,336 They come and have a drink, 1847 01:30:07,419 --> 01:30:09,213 a lot of beer cans and. 1848 01:30:09,296 --> 01:30:10,839 - Yeah. - It's an honor, really. 1849 01:30:10,923 --> 01:30:12,049 Yeah, it is. It is. They loved the music, and, 1850 01:30:12,132 --> 01:30:15,135 "Hey, I'm gonna have a beer, what the hell?" 1851 01:30:15,219 --> 01:30:16,512 I'm sure Ronnie don't mind. 1852 01:30:16,595 --> 01:30:18,222 - No. - You know, he don't mind. 1853 01:30:18,305 --> 01:30:19,473 You go, "Why did it have to happen?" 1854 01:30:19,556 --> 01:30:23,769 But I always say I kept a lot of questions I have to ask, 1855 01:30:23,852 --> 01:30:25,562 you know, when I go on. 1856 01:30:25,646 --> 01:30:29,149 When I go on, so I hope I can get some answers. 1857 01:30:29,233 --> 01:30:30,484 I think if we're gonna get them, that's when. 1858 01:30:30,567 --> 01:30:32,819 Yeah, exactly. 1859 01:30:50,754 --> 01:30:55,092 ♪ If I leave here tomorrow ♪ 1860 01:30:58,136 --> 01:31:02,516 ♪ Would you still remember me ♪ 1861 01:31:07,521 --> 01:31:12,985 ♪ For I must be traveling on now ♪ 1862 01:31:16,321 --> 01:31:20,492 ♪ 'Cause there's too many places I've got to see ♪ 1863 01:31:25,414 --> 01:31:30,669 ♪ And if I stayed here with you, girl ♪ 1864 01:31:33,630 --> 01:31:37,968 ♪ Well, things just couldn't be the same ♪ 1865 01:31:42,055 --> 01:31:48,228 ♪ 'Cause I'm as free as a bird now ♪ 1866 01:31:48,312 --> 01:31:51,440 ♪ I swear I am ♪ 1867 01:31:51,523 --> 01:31:57,195 ♪ And the bird you'll never change ♪ 1868 01:31:57,279 --> 01:32:00,907 ♪ Oh ♪ 1869 01:32:00,991 --> 01:32:04,870 ♪ The bird you cannot change ♪ 1870 01:32:04,953 --> 01:32:08,290 In '87 we did a tribute tour, 1871 01:32:08,373 --> 01:32:10,417 and then after that tour everybody, 1872 01:32:10,500 --> 01:32:13,879 they wanted us to come to their town too, 1873 01:32:13,962 --> 01:32:16,298 and so we said, "Yeah, let's do it again," 1874 01:32:16,381 --> 01:32:20,218 and we kept catching on, and we kept touring. 1875 01:32:20,302 --> 01:32:22,429 Being in a band, that's all we know. 1876 01:32:22,512 --> 01:32:25,015 I can't do anything but play guitar and fish, 1877 01:32:25,098 --> 01:32:28,435 and I couldn't do anything else. 1878 01:32:28,518 --> 01:32:32,522 Now we got Ricky Medlocke playing his guitar. 1879 01:32:32,606 --> 01:32:35,192 Johnny didn't think he could fill his brother's shoes. 1880 01:32:35,275 --> 01:32:37,194 Of course, Ronnie never wore shoes. 1881 01:32:37,277 --> 01:32:38,695 You ain't got to fill his shoes. 1882 01:32:38,779 --> 01:32:40,614 You're not gonna. 1883 01:32:40,697 --> 01:32:43,116 I used to say he was spanked by the same daddy 1884 01:32:43,200 --> 01:32:45,369 and ate the same food just like Ronnie. 1885 01:32:47,621 --> 01:32:48,538 It's 30 years later, 1886 01:32:48,622 --> 01:32:51,667 and it's still going, and people come, 1887 01:32:51,750 --> 01:32:53,710 and the younger generation learns. 1888 01:32:53,794 --> 01:32:55,337 It's not about us. 1889 01:32:55,420 --> 01:32:57,964 It's about the feelings of that music 1890 01:32:58,048 --> 01:33:00,092 and the stories they tell. 1891 01:33:00,175 --> 01:33:02,719 That's what I feel I'm here to do now, 1892 01:33:02,803 --> 01:33:06,598 is speak for the band Lynyrd Skynyrd 1893 01:33:06,682 --> 01:33:10,394 from the beginning till the very end, you know? 1894 01:33:10,477 --> 01:33:13,105 It's the music that lives on. 1895 01:33:13,188 --> 01:33:19,611 ♪ Lord help me, I can't change ♪ 1896 01:33:21,488 --> 01:33:25,909 ♪ No, I can't change ♪ 1897 01:33:25,992 --> 01:33:29,162 ♪ Won't you fly, fly ♪ 1898 01:33:29,246 --> 01:33:31,540 ♪ A free bird ♪ 1899 01:33:31,623 --> 01:33:32,124 ♪ Yeah ♪ 1900 01:36:49,821 --> 01:36:51,782 One of the great ones, Lynyrd Skynyrd. 1901 01:36:51,866 --> 01:36:52,783 Let's hear it for them. 1902 01:37:00,147 --> 01:37:05,147 Subtitles by explosiveskull