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Good afternoon.
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Let me be very, very clear.
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I have never discussed
with Christian Dawkins
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paying Deandre Ayton to attend
the University of Arizona.
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In fact, I never even met
or spoke to Christian Dawkins
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until after Deandre
publicly announced
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that he was coming
to our school.
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Any reporting to the contrary
is inaccurate,
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false, and defamatory.
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- I'm very proud
of everything I've done
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as LSU's head coach,
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and I'm very proud of what
we've done at LSU.
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And I--or we have never,
ever, um...
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done business of any kind with,
uh--with Christian Dawkins.
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- I have never
been interviewed
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about this subject.
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- At this point, yes.
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I am a convicted felon.
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It is very weird for me to say
that I'm a convicted felon,
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especially over basketball.
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- I don't even wanna
tell my story
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as much as I wanna tell
the bigger story,
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in my opinion.
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It's a ridiculous story.
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Everyone went into it
with the right intention.
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Did it get completely
fucked up?
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I mean, it got fucked up to...
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I mean, I...
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Beyond my imagination,
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and I have a pretty big
imagination.
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- Did I do anything wrong?
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Um...
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- A shot fired
across the bough
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of college basketball.
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- Ten men, including
four assistant coaches
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at top-tier programs,
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arrested
on corruption charges.
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- This is absolutely gonna
change the very landscape
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of college basketball.
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- Christian Dawkins
is a sketchy character,
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wannabe agent.
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Nobody trusts anybody
right now.
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- Mm-hmm.
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- 'Cause nobody knows
where this is going.
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- I mean, basketball,
up to this point,
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has been my whole life.
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I've been around it probably--
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like, really knowing
what it was,
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probably since five years old.
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And as far as I can remember,
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basketball's always
pretty much been
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one of the most important
things in my life.
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- I've known Christian Dawkins
probably about 15 years.
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First met him
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when he was around
probably 10 or 11 years old.
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He was part of a legacy family
in Michigan,
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the Dawkins family,
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and the Dawkins' name
has always been synonymous
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in Michigan with basketball.
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- We always pretty much
been a basketball family.
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My dad was a high school
basketball coach
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where I grew up at.
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- Born and raised
in Saginaw, Michigan...
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Uh, the number one city
in the United States
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for high school basketball.
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- [chuckling] Please.
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- Began coaching in '96
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at the number one high school
in the country,
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Saginaw High School.
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- He led
the Saginaw High Trojans
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to back-to-back championships.
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I think his place in Michigan
high school basketball history
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was pretty well-established.
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- He played a pretty big role
in the community.
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I would think that most people
would know me via him,
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or because of--
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our whole family,
people would know
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because of his reputation
in the community.
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- One thing I didn't do--
and she can quote me on this--
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I didn't push my sons
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to play basketball.
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I gave them the opportunity
to decide...
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- Which sport--
which sport to choose.
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It just so happened
that, you know,
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I was pretty good coming up
in Saginaw, playing, myself.
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So I had a little bit
of legendary status
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behind my name as well.
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So my sons
and my daughter said--
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they had to prove to me
that they were better than me,
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better than their dad.
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and played basketball.
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Is that correct?
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- I don't know that
that's all true...
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- [laughs]
- But I'll--I'll go with it.
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- This was the gym that
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I spent most of
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We spent the summers,
every day here,
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after school, every day.
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Yeah, when I was growing up,
I wanted to be, like,
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a NBA All-Star.
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I think everyone
has those dreams.
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7th, 8th, and 9th grade,
I think I'm the shit.
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I think I'm good, okay?
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- Christian was good,
but Christian was stubborn.
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I would give him things to do
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out there
on the basketball court,
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and he would take it
upon himself
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to change the routine.
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- I didn't make varsity
my freshmen year; I made JV.
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'Cause even though
he was my dad,
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he still didn't play me.
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Like, it wasn't, like,
a nepotism situation at all.
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JV, I was one of the best
players on the team.
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I still think I'm the shit.
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In my head,
I'm going to the NBA.
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First-round pick.
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Varsity practice,
the first year, sophomore year,
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we had Draymond Green,
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and we had probably--
I don't know--
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a couple more
of the Division I players.
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That first practice
is when I realized
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I should probably start,
you know,
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looking into other avenues.
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- My child has always
been different.
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- Chris is very intelligent.
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When we would go on recruiting
tournaments, trips,
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instead of him reading
just sports magazines,
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he's reading
business magazines, you know,
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which I thought was
kind of odd.
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- I was young.
I was probably ten.
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I started to be more
intrigued or curious
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about what was going on outside
of just a basketball game
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and what was going on
around the sport.
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I think the pivotal moment
was when I was in--
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I don't know--5th, 6th grade.
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I read the book
"Sole Influence."
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I remember being in class,
reading the book.
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- Late 1990s, I was covering
the growing world of AAU
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and basketball
and talent camps.
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Nike and Adidas were having
what they called
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the "shoe war"
over these players,
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and it was kind of a new--
that was a new concept
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at the time
of what was going on.
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There was clearly
this world of sports
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that had incredible influence
over how basketball,
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both college and pro,
were being played.
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- "Sole Influence"
is the best book
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and most accurate book
I've ever read
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as far as on the money
about the shit that goes on
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in grassroots basketball
and in college recruiting.
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It was real.
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My mind was shaped
to a certain way
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to understand that early.
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Like, "Okay,
this is how this works."
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People come into Saginaw,
they coming to get something.
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It's the talent.
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And the people that was
coming to get them
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was usually rich white people--
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white coaches, white agents,
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white, you know,
business managers,
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white sneaker reps--
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whatever the case may be.
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Yeah, I'm not knocking nobody,
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but I just understood the value
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of the African American
athlete,
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and that's why books like
"Sole Influence"
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resonated so much with me.
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When I read that book,
I'm like,
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"This is what I wanna do."
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- Christian's always had
this business mind.
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When he was 11, I remember,
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we were sitting on the porch,
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and I kept getting mail.
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And it would be addressed
to Christian,
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but when I would open it--
'cause I'm thinking,
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"Who is he getting--"
and it would---
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it was random people.
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Open it up,
and then I would find checks.
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So we called Christian in,
and we're talking to him.
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He goes, "Oh, yeah.
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That's for my company."
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I'm like,
"What co--what company, buddy?"
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- So
"Best of the Best Scouting"
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was the name
of the publication I started,
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and it was a scouting service
for the top players
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in the state of Michigan
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and also had some coverage
in the Midwest.
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I knew everybody
in Michigan basketball
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'cause of my dad.
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Everybody who was anybody
came through that gym.
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I would go and, you know,
try to make my notes
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and scout as much as I thought
I could at that point.
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- It was very detailed,
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almost in
a frightening manner,
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on who the top
middle school players were
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in the state of Michigan.
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People were signing up,
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and nobody knew
who this guy was
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that was rating and ranking
these players.
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- I think I charged coaches
around 600 bucks.
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College coaches.
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- Division I
basketball coaches
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were paying $600
for this website
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this 12-year-old made
in his basement.
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[chuckles]
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The funniest thing was,
he ranked himself.
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- I did rank myself.
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I mean, it was times
I ranked myself one.
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That was bad.
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- And he actually had
listed himself as 6'2"
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when he was, like, 14 or 15.
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He's, like, 5'10" now.
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- I probably shouldn't have
done that. [chuckles]
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- You know, a lot of
the triggers for Christian
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was growing up realizing
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how important basketball was
in his household.
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And, you know,
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you win back-to-back
state championships,
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you have a little brother
that is, you know,
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revered as being one
of the next great players.
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- Dorian still, to this day,
is the best friend I've had.
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I was 2 years,
2 1/2 years older than him.
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He was the best player on our
varsity team in middle school.
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He didn't play with us,
but when he practiced,
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he was the best player.
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He got invited to every elite
camp you can get invited to.
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He was getting letters
from UCLA
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and stuff in middle school.
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So he was already in the mix.
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- So we went to Toledo.
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It was--I think it was called
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the Toledo Michigan-Ohio
Border Battle.
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And DD was 14.
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And we were playing against
All Ohio Red
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and I think All Ohio Red
at the time
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had won the last three
AAU national titles.
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I think Dorian had, like,
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40 points and 12 assists.
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Probably 9 or 10 rebounds.
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I'm like, "Wow, this boy's
gonna be special."
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So they ended up beating
All Ohio Red.
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And All Ohio Red coach came up
to me after the game,
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and he was like,
"Coach, I saw you over there,
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cheering on the side,"
you know.
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"What college is that young kid
going to?"
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- [laughs softly]
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- And I said,
"Man, that boy is about to be
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a ninth grader in high school."
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He's like,
"You gotta be kidding me."
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And I was like,
"No, listen, man.
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He just turned 14.
That's my son."
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And about a month later,
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we had a tournament.
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I saw the same AAU coach
on the--on the elevator.
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He was like, "Hey, Coach.
How your son doing?"
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I said,
"Man, you won't believe."
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I said, "Man, he died
a couple weeks ago."
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And, uh...
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[somber music]
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♪ ♪
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[inhales, exhales]
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- He died at a camp,
playing basketball.
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He was playing with us.
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I was going to my senior year.
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He was going to his
freshman year.
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He was by far our best player.
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My dad wasn't coaching
that game
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because he was in a wedding.
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So just his assistant
was with us,
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and none--neither one of
my parents were with us.
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It was a regular day.
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He played well, and then, um...
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he got fouled
going to the rim.
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He's at the free-throw line.
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He looks at me, he goes,
"Brother, I'm so tired."
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I'm just thinking it's like,
"Okay," like, you know--
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you know, no big deal,
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and he collapsed.
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I'm thinking he had--
he's having a seizure.
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And then, um...
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He, um...
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They were, like,
operating on him
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in the--in the hospital room,
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and, um,
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at that point, he had
had a heart attack already.
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They were trying to,
like, revive him
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to the point where
he could function again.
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And once they, you know,
induced him,
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he just never woke back up.
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♪ ♪
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- He had a heart condition.
[sniffles]
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[solemn music]
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And...
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[sniffles, breathes shakily]
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No one--no one knew.
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♪ ♪
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- He had a rare heart disease
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where, like,
his artery essentially
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wasn't strong enough
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to maintain
the blood flow in his heart.
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He essentially had
a over--oversized heart.
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[melancholy music]
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♪ ♪
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There is not a day that
goes by that I don't, like--
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I don't think about him
in some way.
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♪ ♪
328
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Dorian was a better athlete.
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I mean, he was--he was--
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he was the one.
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He was gonna be the next star
from Saginaw,
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had he--had he lived.
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♪ ♪
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Listen, man.
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Faith is a funny thing, right?
336
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Like...
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Part of the whole idea is,
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"Believe in what
you don't really know."
339
00:14:13,584 --> 00:14:15,542
Because there's no answer
that anyone could give me
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that would make me be like,
"Okay, I'm cool with it."
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00:14:18,834 --> 00:14:21,876
So I had to just understand
that I didn't understand...
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And try to make a positive
out of a negative.
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[soft solemn music]
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So when my brother
passed away,
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I wanted to do something
in his memory.
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I planned a high school
basketball tournament...
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In conjunction with
the American Heart Association
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to try to raise money
for heart disease.
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00:14:46,584 --> 00:14:47,626
And then
the rest of the money,
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we used to fund
the travel team that we had,
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which was originally
called Team Pride,
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00:14:54,709 --> 00:14:57,292
and when Dorian passed away,
we switched to become--
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the name to become
Dorian's Pride.
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My role for--
with Dorian's Pride,
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I was essentially
the general manager,
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so to speak.
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I was probably 16.
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I essentially gained
the sponsorship deals,
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raised the money,
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picked all the coaches
or other administrators,
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picked the tournaments
we played in,
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recruited most of the players.
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If there was
a top-level player,
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I pretty much recruited them
to the program.
365
00:15:23,250 --> 00:15:24,834
- Christian,
he had an eye for talent,
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00:15:24,918 --> 00:15:26,500
but more importantly,
he would work.
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Christian would just make sure
he went to all the games.
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He would go to the practices.
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He would find a way
to connect with family members.
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And he was beating out
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a lot of the top
Nike and Adidas guys
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for some of the top talent
in Michigan.
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- And he took a...
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a very good team
and turned them into
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one of the top five
AAU programs in the country.
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- At the age of, like, 17,
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he got Under Armour
to sponsor the team,
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and it was the only
Under Armour-sponsored team,
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at that time, in the Midwest.
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To this day,
nobody understands or knows
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how he was able to secure
an Under Armour shoe deal.
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00:16:05,959 --> 00:16:07,542
- It's marketing.
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If you're Nike and you're
trying to launch a new shoe
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and you need it to get
some level of visibility on it
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or some level
of recognition for it,
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00:16:17,375 --> 00:16:20,709
what's the best way
to get that shoe out
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or get that shoe some exposure
in Saginaw, Michigan?
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00:16:24,042 --> 00:16:25,167
You put it on
the high school team,
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00:16:25,250 --> 00:16:26,375
the high school players.
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00:16:26,459 --> 00:16:28,667
How else would
Saginaw, Michigan know about
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a Nike--a new Nike shoe?
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If I'm outfitting
Zion Williamson
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in South Carolina
with all Adidas or all Nike,
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pretty sure kids in that area
are gonna buy
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Nikes and Adidas because
he's gonna be the most popular,
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most visible person
in the community.
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By the end, we was--
we was over six figures.
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Between sneaker sponsors
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and local people to sponsor it
through events,
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we were definitely
over $100,000.
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00:16:58,709 --> 00:17:01,417
- And he built
strong relationships,
402
00:17:01,500 --> 00:17:03,209
not just with
the shoe companies,
403
00:17:03,292 --> 00:17:04,626
but college coaches.
404
00:17:04,709 --> 00:17:07,542
- That, at a very young age,
put him in a position
405
00:17:07,626 --> 00:17:09,709
to where he had some power
with the college coaches,
406
00:17:09,792 --> 00:17:11,375
because now he had a lot
of the top players
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00:17:11,459 --> 00:17:12,417
on his AAU team.
408
00:17:12,500 --> 00:17:14,792
And that's when I think
he got people's attention
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00:17:14,876 --> 00:17:17,459
in the basketball world--
not just the AAU world,
410
00:17:17,542 --> 00:17:20,209
but also
the college basketball world.
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00:17:20,292 --> 00:17:21,709
[poignant music]
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00:17:21,792 --> 00:17:23,584
- At this point,
I've already got a shoe deal.
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00:17:23,667 --> 00:17:25,000
I've already got money.
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00:17:25,083 --> 00:17:27,250
It makes no sense to me
to go to school.
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00:17:27,334 --> 00:17:29,000
I knew what I wanted to do.
416
00:17:29,083 --> 00:17:31,292
My first job
in the basketball business,
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00:17:31,375 --> 00:17:33,584
I got hired
as the manager and director
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00:17:33,667 --> 00:17:36,125
for a financial services
company.
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00:17:36,209 --> 00:17:39,209
And my first year there,
I signed two first-round picks.
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00:17:40,292 --> 00:17:45,083
- The Philadelphia 76ers
select Elfrid Payton
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from the University
of Louisiana at Lafayette.
422
00:17:49,667 --> 00:17:51,959
- I ended up signing
Elfrid Payton and Rodney Hood.
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♪ ♪
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Things went wrong
when I wanted to work
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on the agent side
of the business.
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00:17:58,375 --> 00:17:59,876
As I had some success,
427
00:17:59,959 --> 00:18:03,792
other agencies approached me
to come work for their firms,
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00:18:03,876 --> 00:18:06,167
and I decided to go
with Andy Miller.
429
00:18:06,250 --> 00:18:09,500
Andy Miller is one of the best
agents that's ever lived.
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00:18:09,584 --> 00:18:10,876
Andy's definitely negotiated
431
00:18:10,959 --> 00:18:12,334
over a billion dollars
in contracts,
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00:18:12,417 --> 00:18:16,417
and he definitely has had
dozens of first-round picks.
433
00:18:16,500 --> 00:18:18,083
- Andy Miller is, you know,
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00:18:18,167 --> 00:18:19,626
one of the top agents
in basketball.
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00:18:19,709 --> 00:18:21,542
He's a guy that, you know,
436
00:18:21,626 --> 00:18:25,500
had built a pretty impressive
agency at ASM.
437
00:18:25,584 --> 00:18:27,792
- Andy just offered me--
he recruited me.
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00:18:27,876 --> 00:18:29,667
He wanted to hire me.
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00:18:29,751 --> 00:18:31,626
Andy was giving me more money.
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00:18:31,709 --> 00:18:34,125
So it was a business
situation, and it was a--
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I thought a situation that
can further my career more.
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00:18:37,667 --> 00:18:38,751
[intriguing music]
443
00:18:40,375 --> 00:18:41,959
- We--I was just
a agent there.
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00:18:45,834 --> 00:18:48,250
- Yeah, a agent, junior agent,
445
00:18:48,334 --> 00:18:50,042
whatever you wanna call it.
446
00:18:50,125 --> 00:18:52,542
- No, Christian at ASM
was a runner, you know.
447
00:18:52,626 --> 00:18:54,500
He was the guy
that was out recruiting.
448
00:18:54,584 --> 00:18:56,334
He was a relationship guy.
449
00:18:56,417 --> 00:18:58,751
- I did agent duties.
450
00:18:58,834 --> 00:19:01,542
I did deals for players.
I ran the pre-draft.
451
00:19:01,626 --> 00:19:02,626
Like, what does that mean?
452
00:19:02,709 --> 00:19:04,709
If you ask Andy,
who employed me,
453
00:19:04,792 --> 00:19:07,209
he wouldn't have said, "Oh,
yeah, Christian's my runner."
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00:19:07,292 --> 00:19:08,876
Like, what does that even mean?
455
00:19:08,959 --> 00:19:11,542
- I mean, a runner is a generic
term used in the industry
456
00:19:11,626 --> 00:19:14,876
for one that goes out
and runs around and recruits.
457
00:19:14,959 --> 00:19:17,250
He would, you know,
meet with the families.
458
00:19:17,334 --> 00:19:18,667
He'd go to the AAU tournaments.
459
00:19:18,751 --> 00:19:20,959
He would help manage
the players
460
00:19:21,042 --> 00:19:23,167
once they were secured
by the agency.
461
00:19:23,250 --> 00:19:24,709
- I recruited the clients.
462
00:19:24,792 --> 00:19:27,542
I prepared materials
for recruiting meetings.
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00:19:27,626 --> 00:19:30,834
I did all the updates.
I did the work.
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00:19:30,918 --> 00:19:32,542
- He was sort of, you know--
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a manager, I guess, would be
a nice way of calling it,
466
00:19:34,667 --> 00:19:37,083
but a runner's probably
the more appropriate term
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00:19:37,167 --> 00:19:38,250
in the industry.
468
00:19:38,334 --> 00:19:40,125
- Andy wasn't like,
469
00:19:40,209 --> 00:19:42,584
"Oh, just go get some players
and then--"
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00:19:42,667 --> 00:19:44,083
No, it was,
471
00:19:44,167 --> 00:19:46,083
"I'm training you
to be an agent."
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00:19:56,125 --> 00:19:59,000
I love Andy Miller to death,
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00:19:59,083 --> 00:20:01,709
but we were like
Whitney and Bobby.
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00:20:01,792 --> 00:20:03,626
We shouldn't have
been together.
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00:20:03,709 --> 00:20:05,375
- Christian's value
to Andy Miller was--
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00:20:05,459 --> 00:20:07,042
was, you know, irreplaceable.
477
00:20:07,125 --> 00:20:09,042
You couldn't put
a value on it, you know?
478
00:20:09,125 --> 00:20:10,417
Christian was able
to do all things
479
00:20:10,500 --> 00:20:12,125
that Andy Miller couldn't do,
480
00:20:12,209 --> 00:20:14,459
that he was too old to do,
probably,
481
00:20:14,542 --> 00:20:16,125
probably too white to do.
482
00:20:16,209 --> 00:20:18,334
He would do the things
that would be necessary
483
00:20:18,417 --> 00:20:20,626
to foster that relationship
with the player,
484
00:20:20,709 --> 00:20:22,500
to keep them with the agency.
485
00:20:22,584 --> 00:20:25,959
- I literally signed
with ASM and Andy Miller
486
00:20:26,042 --> 00:20:27,250
because of Christian.
487
00:20:27,334 --> 00:20:29,542
Andy couldn't have recruited
me, you know what I mean?
488
00:20:29,626 --> 00:20:31,167
We have
a great relationship now
489
00:20:31,250 --> 00:20:33,417
because I signed with him
through Christian.
490
00:20:33,500 --> 00:20:35,584
And Andy was probably my agent
in all my paperwork,
491
00:20:35,667 --> 00:20:37,792
but Christian was the one
who did everything for me.
492
00:20:37,876 --> 00:20:39,876
And mostly Christian
kind of shaped me,
493
00:20:39,959 --> 00:20:41,459
pointed me
in the right direction
494
00:20:41,542 --> 00:20:43,250
to end up where I am now.
495
00:20:43,334 --> 00:20:45,792
Make no mistake about it,
he is like a mastermind
496
00:20:45,876 --> 00:20:48,626
when it comes to
the basketball agency world,
497
00:20:48,709 --> 00:20:50,292
and it's not up for debate
498
00:20:50,375 --> 00:20:51,751
that he was great
at what he did.
499
00:20:51,834 --> 00:20:54,584
- For a young guy, Christian
was incredibly well-connected.
500
00:20:54,667 --> 00:20:55,876
It was no question.
501
00:20:55,959 --> 00:20:59,209
21, 22 years old at the time,
and I think people thought,
502
00:20:59,292 --> 00:21:01,459
"This is--this could be
the next big thing."
503
00:21:01,542 --> 00:21:04,250
- No one could complain about
the actual representation.
504
00:21:04,334 --> 00:21:07,876
It was the small things that
didn't get handled correctly
505
00:21:07,959 --> 00:21:09,751
because Andy is like,
"I'm gonna get it done
506
00:21:09,834 --> 00:21:11,626
by any means," and so am I.
507
00:21:11,709 --> 00:21:13,918
And sometimes,
especially in a business
508
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,292
as small as the agent business,
you gotta kind of be
509
00:21:16,375 --> 00:21:18,167
a little bit more politically
correct than we were.
510
00:21:19,584 --> 00:21:21,250
My former company was
511
00:21:21,334 --> 00:21:24,292
very upset
about the departure.
512
00:21:24,375 --> 00:21:26,959
Andy informed me
that he had been notified
513
00:21:27,042 --> 00:21:29,083
that my former employer
514
00:21:29,167 --> 00:21:30,751
filed a complaint
with local authorities
515
00:21:30,834 --> 00:21:33,083
and the NBA Players Association
516
00:21:33,167 --> 00:21:35,375
about me, allegedly,
517
00:21:35,459 --> 00:21:38,209
stealing $40,000 in Uber rides.
518
00:21:38,292 --> 00:21:39,584
Uber-gate.
519
00:21:39,667 --> 00:21:42,584
[ominous music]
520
00:21:42,667 --> 00:21:43,876
♪ ♪
521
00:21:43,959 --> 00:21:46,709
It got tons of media coverage.
522
00:21:46,792 --> 00:21:49,000
When I seen it,
I'm like, "Oh, shit.
523
00:21:49,083 --> 00:21:51,417
This is--this is damaging."
524
00:21:52,459 --> 00:21:54,626
When you hear it,
it sounds disgusting,
525
00:21:54,709 --> 00:21:56,042
like I was just--
at that point,
526
00:21:56,125 --> 00:21:57,918
I must have been just, like,
"Driving Miss Daisy,"
527
00:21:58,000 --> 00:21:59,792
just, like,
in the car all day.
528
00:21:59,876 --> 00:22:02,542
I never stole the Amex card
belonging Elfrid Payton.
529
00:22:02,626 --> 00:22:03,542
What happened was,
530
00:22:03,626 --> 00:22:05,667
I was working
for his financial advisor.
531
00:22:05,751 --> 00:22:08,042
I was essentially a part
of his financial team.
532
00:22:08,125 --> 00:22:10,626
Elfrid Payton was
in the rookie-sophomore game
533
00:22:10,709 --> 00:22:12,042
at All-Star Weekend.
534
00:22:12,125 --> 00:22:16,042
He directs me to put his card
in my Uber account,
535
00:22:16,125 --> 00:22:18,751
to get rides
when his family requested.
536
00:22:18,834 --> 00:22:22,375
After I left the company
that I was with
537
00:22:22,459 --> 00:22:24,500
and went over to work for Andy,
538
00:22:24,584 --> 00:22:26,792
his card stayed
in my Uber account.
539
00:22:26,876 --> 00:22:28,751
As I'm working
for Andy's company,
540
00:22:28,834 --> 00:22:31,417
I was basically doing
most of the recruiting
541
00:22:31,500 --> 00:22:32,626
for the whole company.
542
00:22:32,709 --> 00:22:34,918
There was numerous people
using my Uber account.
543
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,918
At that time, the wrong card
was being charged.
544
00:22:39,083 --> 00:22:41,542
NBA Players Association Union
reaches out.
545
00:22:41,626 --> 00:22:43,709
They wanna know what's up.
546
00:22:43,792 --> 00:22:46,876
Obviously, the union knew
I wasn't certified with them.
547
00:22:46,959 --> 00:22:50,375
Andy, at that point,
said that he had to sever ties
548
00:22:50,459 --> 00:22:51,792
because the union was on him,
549
00:22:51,876 --> 00:22:55,417
and had to make stuff look
as if, like, it was a split.
550
00:22:55,500 --> 00:23:00,125
♪ ♪
551
00:23:00,209 --> 00:23:01,918
It was a bunch of small things
that added up
552
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,000
to be pretty fucking
significant.
553
00:23:04,083 --> 00:23:07,000
I went too fast...
554
00:23:07,083 --> 00:23:09,459
And...
555
00:23:09,542 --> 00:23:10,834
it fucked us all.
556
00:23:10,918 --> 00:23:13,500
[dramatic music]
557
00:23:13,584 --> 00:23:16,876
Uber-gate was done in May '17.
558
00:23:18,250 --> 00:23:19,918
Uber-gate sped up
what was gonna be
559
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:21,209
the inevitable anyway.
560
00:23:21,292 --> 00:23:23,584
♪ ♪
561
00:23:23,667 --> 00:23:25,918
- Christian wanted to start
his own sports agency.
562
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,417
So at that point, you know,
he came and met with me.
563
00:23:28,500 --> 00:23:29,417
I took him to lunch.
564
00:23:29,500 --> 00:23:30,959
I explained to him
some of the concerns
565
00:23:31,042 --> 00:23:32,918
that I had with what
he was trying to accomplish.
566
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,626
And, um, you know, he went off
and did his own thing.
567
00:23:36,709 --> 00:23:39,792
- Andy and I,
we essentially agree to
568
00:23:39,876 --> 00:23:43,000
all my clients--I had maybe
a dozen clients in the NBA--
569
00:23:43,083 --> 00:23:44,334
I'm gonna be their manager
570
00:23:44,417 --> 00:23:46,000
as opposed to being
their agent.
571
00:23:46,083 --> 00:23:48,334
And I'm gonna build up
my own business independently
572
00:23:48,417 --> 00:23:51,459
as a management company,
and he'll represent my players
573
00:23:51,542 --> 00:23:53,667
on its NBA team contract.
574
00:23:53,751 --> 00:23:56,125
I would have handled
the day-to-day management,
575
00:23:56,209 --> 00:23:59,042
facilitated their
relationships with the agent,
576
00:23:59,125 --> 00:24:01,083
being Andy,
the financial advisor,
577
00:24:01,167 --> 00:24:02,709
whoever that may be.
578
00:24:02,792 --> 00:24:04,334
We would do marketing deals.
579
00:24:04,417 --> 00:24:07,167
Essentially, I would be the
quarterback of the entire team.
580
00:24:07,250 --> 00:24:08,417
I needed funding to make
581
00:24:08,500 --> 00:24:10,125
the management company
a reality.
582
00:24:10,209 --> 00:24:12,459
- Christian, I think,
was just overeager.
583
00:24:12,542 --> 00:24:14,500
The thing was, though,
because of the way
584
00:24:14,584 --> 00:24:16,250
this business was going
to have to operate,
585
00:24:16,334 --> 00:24:18,250
they needed untraceable cash.
586
00:24:18,334 --> 00:24:20,918
That's what you create
with these rules.
587
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,751
Instead of just it all
being on the up and up,
588
00:24:24,834 --> 00:24:29,209
you have to hide it
because of amateurism.
589
00:24:29,292 --> 00:24:32,250
[foreboding music]
590
00:24:32,334 --> 00:24:35,709
♪ ♪
591
00:24:35,792 --> 00:24:37,250
The NCAA thinks
592
00:24:37,334 --> 00:24:39,167
you have to play
for the love of the game
593
00:24:39,250 --> 00:24:42,375
and can't get paid
to play sports.
594
00:24:42,459 --> 00:24:44,000
It's amateurism.
595
00:24:44,083 --> 00:24:48,167
Amateurism to college athletics
is just their--their theory
596
00:24:48,250 --> 00:24:52,000
that allows them to not pay
the student-athletes
597
00:24:52,083 --> 00:24:55,292
other than a scholarship,
room and board.
598
00:24:55,375 --> 00:25:00,209
- The issue of pay for play
will not go away.
599
00:25:00,292 --> 00:25:02,209
They'll--continue to be people
that say,
600
00:25:02,292 --> 00:25:03,334
"These are professionals,
601
00:25:03,417 --> 00:25:04,751
and they ought to be paid
like professionals,"
602
00:25:04,834 --> 00:25:06,792
and I couldn't disagree more.
603
00:25:06,876 --> 00:25:08,584
I think that would
be the complete death
604
00:25:08,667 --> 00:25:09,876
of college athletics.
605
00:25:09,959 --> 00:25:12,918
- The NCAA puts legislation
or rules in place
606
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:14,834
that the colleges
have to follow
607
00:25:14,918 --> 00:25:17,209
if you wanna be able
to participate
608
00:25:17,292 --> 00:25:19,000
in their events,
in their tournaments.
609
00:25:19,083 --> 00:25:22,626
- The NCAA thinks because
of this concept of amateurism,
610
00:25:22,709 --> 00:25:24,584
they can stop the wheels
of capitalism
611
00:25:24,667 --> 00:25:26,042
in the United States
of America.
612
00:25:27,584 --> 00:25:28,709
Never gonna happen.
613
00:25:28,792 --> 00:25:30,876
The way the system works, it--
614
00:25:30,959 --> 00:25:34,709
you end up dealing with
unsavory people
615
00:25:34,792 --> 00:25:36,709
or ridiculous circumstances.
616
00:25:36,792 --> 00:25:39,751
[pensive music]
617
00:25:39,834 --> 00:25:41,834
♪ ♪
618
00:25:45,083 --> 00:25:49,459
♪ ♪
619
00:25:49,542 --> 00:25:51,709
- Marty Blazer's
a former business manager,
620
00:25:51,792 --> 00:25:53,209
financial person.
621
00:25:53,292 --> 00:25:56,209
I knew him because
LaMarr Woodley,
622
00:25:56,292 --> 00:25:59,876
who would sponsor our AAU team
in the beginning--
623
00:25:59,959 --> 00:26:02,709
grassroots, in the beginning--
is from Saginaw.
624
00:26:02,792 --> 00:26:04,459
Marty represented LaMarr.
625
00:26:04,542 --> 00:26:07,417
LaMarr would fund our team,
give us donations.
626
00:26:07,500 --> 00:26:10,626
- And so because LaMarr said
Marty was a good guy,
627
00:26:10,709 --> 00:26:12,209
Christian felt comfortable
628
00:26:12,292 --> 00:26:14,292
to begin a relationship
with Blazer,
629
00:26:14,375 --> 00:26:15,959
and he knew Blazer
had some money.
630
00:26:16,042 --> 00:26:17,751
- I was never close
to Marty Blazer.
631
00:26:17,834 --> 00:26:19,876
I literally think
Marty Blazer's an idiot.
632
00:26:21,167 --> 00:26:23,876
But I did meet Munish
through Marty.
633
00:26:25,209 --> 00:26:27,334
Marty Blazer
represented players
634
00:26:27,417 --> 00:26:29,334
in conjunction with Munish.
635
00:26:29,417 --> 00:26:31,334
Munish was the chairman
of a bank.
636
00:26:31,417 --> 00:26:33,000
He was a very
connected person.
637
00:26:33,083 --> 00:26:35,751
I met Munish because he was
trying to recruit athletes,
638
00:26:35,834 --> 00:26:37,000
to manage their money
639
00:26:37,083 --> 00:26:39,876
and to be
their financial advisor.
640
00:26:39,959 --> 00:26:41,334
- It was really hard for me
to understand how
641
00:26:41,417 --> 00:26:43,000
they ever came together,
just socially.
642
00:26:43,083 --> 00:26:44,959
"What do these two guys
have in common?"
643
00:26:45,042 --> 00:26:46,167
But in many ways,
644
00:26:46,250 --> 00:26:47,792
that was sort of the brilliance
of Christian.
645
00:26:47,876 --> 00:26:50,375
- Munish and I had built
a strong relationship,
646
00:26:50,459 --> 00:26:51,918
we had become partners,
647
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:53,834
and we were gonna
do our thing.
648
00:26:55,209 --> 00:26:57,667
We were specifically
funding players
649
00:26:57,751 --> 00:27:00,125
and families with the hope
650
00:27:00,209 --> 00:27:02,042
that they would one day
sign with us
651
00:27:02,125 --> 00:27:03,709
when the time came.
652
00:27:03,792 --> 00:27:05,626
The competition
to sign players is a--
653
00:27:05,709 --> 00:27:08,042
it's a blood sport.
654
00:27:08,125 --> 00:27:11,918
The most valuable
and the most immediate return
655
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,918
is gonna come off of players
who are first-round picks.
656
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,334
There's only 30 players
every year in the entire world
657
00:27:18,417 --> 00:27:21,709
who get drafted first round
and get guaranteed money.
658
00:27:21,792 --> 00:27:25,918
- Everyone's trying to chase
this lottery ticket.
659
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,792
Only one ultimate goal
for every one of them: NBA.
660
00:27:29,876 --> 00:27:32,834
And it is a very tough path
to get to.
661
00:27:32,918 --> 00:27:34,042
It's very hard to make.
662
00:27:34,125 --> 00:27:36,417
It's very expensive
to make the NBA now.
663
00:27:37,250 --> 00:27:39,667
- Providing resources
or paying players and a family
664
00:27:39,751 --> 00:27:42,292
is the cost of doing business,
basically.
665
00:27:42,375 --> 00:27:44,083
[dramatic music]
666
00:27:44,167 --> 00:27:47,000
The business model
of financing prospects
667
00:27:47,083 --> 00:27:51,042
before they actually turn pro,
it's 100% a gamble.
668
00:27:51,125 --> 00:27:54,751
You could fund a kid for years.
You could sign him.
669
00:27:54,834 --> 00:27:57,292
You could fucking
do everything right.
670
00:27:57,375 --> 00:28:00,542
He could fire you at the end
and go with somebody else,
671
00:28:00,626 --> 00:28:03,292
and that person who's done
nothing gets everything.
672
00:28:03,375 --> 00:28:07,709
That is the realities
of the representation business.
673
00:28:07,792 --> 00:28:11,918
- You have these
high-probability
674
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,292
multimillionaires
sitting there.
675
00:28:15,375 --> 00:28:17,542
People are going to try
to represent them
676
00:28:17,626 --> 00:28:18,709
and get in business with them.
677
00:28:18,792 --> 00:28:22,000
Nothing, no NCAA rule book
is gonna stop that.
678
00:28:23,209 --> 00:28:26,292
- The first time I paid
a player was probably 2015,
679
00:28:26,375 --> 00:28:28,584
as--like, actually, like,
paid someone, okay,
680
00:28:28,667 --> 00:28:29,876
to sign with us.
681
00:28:29,959 --> 00:28:31,959
Everyone knew
Andy was paying players.
682
00:28:32,042 --> 00:28:34,584
Andy been paying players
since I was born.
683
00:28:34,667 --> 00:28:38,334
This wasn't a...like, a secret.
684
00:28:38,417 --> 00:28:40,792
One player can pay for ten.
685
00:28:40,876 --> 00:28:43,083
So if you're talking about
spinning $50,000
686
00:28:43,167 --> 00:28:45,042
to make $5 million,
687
00:28:45,125 --> 00:28:46,667
I would think, you know,
688
00:28:46,751 --> 00:28:49,167
people in Silicon Valley
would like those odds.
689
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,918
The NBA Draft Lottery in 2017
was the first time
690
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,083
I heard about
any investment stuff.
691
00:28:58,167 --> 00:29:00,876
I was in New York City
at the Draft Lottery.
692
00:29:01,667 --> 00:29:04,667
Munish said he wanted
to introduce me to Jeff,
693
00:29:04,751 --> 00:29:07,167
who was this real estate mogul
who wants to get into sports.
694
00:29:08,167 --> 00:29:09,292
I'm like, "Fine."
695
00:29:09,375 --> 00:29:11,751
Jeff D'Angelo
696
00:29:11,834 --> 00:29:15,959
is a very rich person
697
00:29:16,042 --> 00:29:18,667
with relationships
and connections
698
00:29:18,751 --> 00:29:23,083
in Miami, the club scene,
in New York City.
699
00:29:23,167 --> 00:29:26,500
He's an Italian guy.
700
00:29:26,584 --> 00:29:29,209
Looks--seems to be
mid-thirties.
701
00:29:29,292 --> 00:29:32,959
Looks like he could be, like,
on "Jersey Shore" a little bit.
702
00:29:33,042 --> 00:29:36,959
His personality was whatever,
but he had a lot of money.
703
00:29:37,042 --> 00:29:38,667
[riveting music]
704
00:29:38,751 --> 00:29:40,292
Unbeknownst to me
in the beginning,
705
00:29:40,375 --> 00:29:43,626
Munish was introduced
to Jeff D'Angelo
706
00:29:43,709 --> 00:29:45,209
by Marty Blazer.
707
00:29:46,375 --> 00:29:49,375
Marty basically brokered
the idea of
708
00:29:49,459 --> 00:29:54,000
Jeff D'Angelo being
the investment vehicle
709
00:29:54,083 --> 00:29:56,209
to fund the management company.
710
00:29:57,250 --> 00:29:59,542
Me, Munish, and Jeff
711
00:29:59,626 --> 00:30:03,167
were the attendees
for the first meeting.
712
00:30:03,250 --> 00:30:06,375
We have lunch
at the Redeye Grill.
713
00:30:06,459 --> 00:30:08,709
I'm trying to explain to Jeff
714
00:30:08,792 --> 00:30:11,459
how the system works,
what I do.
715
00:30:20,459 --> 00:30:23,667
My plan was to use
my relationships
716
00:30:23,751 --> 00:30:27,125
with high school
and grassroots programs,
717
00:30:27,209 --> 00:30:30,209
try to embed myself
with them early,
718
00:30:30,292 --> 00:30:33,626
get them paid, and when it is
time for them to turn pro,
719
00:30:33,709 --> 00:30:36,500
I'm able to represent them.
720
00:31:00,792 --> 00:31:02,459
- It was a productive meeting,
it seemed.
721
00:31:02,542 --> 00:31:04,709
Seemed like we were gonna
make some progress.
722
00:31:04,792 --> 00:31:07,751
I said to Munish, "This seems
too good to be true."
723
00:31:07,834 --> 00:31:09,417
It's too good to be true
because the numbers
724
00:31:09,500 --> 00:31:12,250
that he was willing to spend
make no financial sense.
725
00:31:14,417 --> 00:31:15,792
- He said,
"I don't have a budget.
726
00:31:15,876 --> 00:31:17,292
Whatever you need."
727
00:31:17,375 --> 00:31:19,959
You can't recoup
whatever you need.
728
00:31:20,042 --> 00:31:22,459
So it just seemed like
it was too easy,
729
00:31:22,542 --> 00:31:25,751
but they invested
into Munish's fund.
730
00:31:25,834 --> 00:31:27,167
And once that happened,
Munish was like,
731
00:31:27,250 --> 00:31:29,417
"Listen,
it seems like bullshit,
732
00:31:29,500 --> 00:31:32,626
"but they did transfer over
money to invest,
733
00:31:32,709 --> 00:31:34,167
and it seems real."
734
00:31:35,709 --> 00:31:38,292
- I was told it was
a million dollars.
735
00:31:38,375 --> 00:31:39,292
- Yeah.
736
00:31:52,167 --> 00:31:53,125
- Okay.
737
00:31:59,584 --> 00:32:00,626
- Wha--
738
00:32:43,167 --> 00:32:44,167
- Yeah.
739
00:32:47,292 --> 00:32:50,250
[dramatic string music]
740
00:32:50,334 --> 00:32:54,667
♪ ♪
741
00:32:57,584 --> 00:32:59,000
I have a meeting on a yacht
742
00:32:59,083 --> 00:33:01,042
in Battery Park,
New York City.
743
00:33:01,125 --> 00:33:04,042
♪ ♪
744
00:33:04,125 --> 00:33:06,209
The yacht belonged
to Jeff D'Angelo.
745
00:33:07,667 --> 00:33:09,667
I was told, like,
this is the--
746
00:33:09,751 --> 00:33:12,459
the inception
of a new company.
747
00:33:12,542 --> 00:33:14,667
Obviously, I'm the head of it,
748
00:33:14,751 --> 00:33:17,667
and they were happy
to be in business with me.
749
00:33:17,751 --> 00:33:21,626
And, um,
they wanted to celebrate.
750
00:33:22,709 --> 00:33:25,125
It was Jeff, Munish Sood,
751
00:33:25,209 --> 00:33:28,375
Alicia Carroll,
Munish's assistant...
752
00:33:28,459 --> 00:33:30,292
Jill.
753
00:33:30,375 --> 00:33:33,250
Jill Bailey was
Jeff D'Angelo's partner
754
00:33:33,334 --> 00:33:36,417
in their real estate
mogul-dom.
755
00:33:37,250 --> 00:33:40,584
Marty Blazer was
on that fucking boat too.
756
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,834
Everyone's in a festive mood.
757
00:33:43,918 --> 00:33:47,334
Everyone's happy, excited.
758
00:33:48,959 --> 00:33:50,334
They popping champagne.
759
00:33:50,417 --> 00:33:51,500
I don't drink, so I'm like,
760
00:33:51,584 --> 00:33:53,250
"I don't care about
any of that kind of stuff."
761
00:33:53,334 --> 00:33:55,667
I literally was just like,
the whole time,
762
00:33:55,751 --> 00:33:58,709
"Give me my money.
We roll."
763
00:34:00,834 --> 00:34:02,083
- Okay.
764
00:34:02,167 --> 00:34:03,167
- Yeah.
765
00:34:13,209 --> 00:34:18,959
♪ ♪
766
00:34:24,083 --> 00:34:25,375
- Yeah.
767
00:34:26,125 --> 00:34:30,417
And we officially execute
the partnership agreement,
768
00:34:30,500 --> 00:34:33,459
operating agreement
between Jeff D'Angelo,
769
00:34:33,542 --> 00:34:35,459
Munish Sood, and myself,
770
00:34:35,542 --> 00:34:38,125
start LOYD Management Inc.
771
00:34:39,626 --> 00:34:41,417
I always called my management
company, LOYD Inc.,
772
00:34:41,500 --> 00:34:43,292
stands for
"Live Out Your Dreams,"
773
00:34:43,375 --> 00:34:45,417
the same company name
I've always had
774
00:34:45,500 --> 00:34:47,709
from when I was doing events
back in Saginaw.
775
00:34:49,209 --> 00:34:52,918
I get 50K cash that day.
776
00:35:00,417 --> 00:35:03,209
- I didn't think
it was strange initially
777
00:35:03,292 --> 00:35:06,667
about the 50K cash because
it was the first payment,
778
00:35:06,751 --> 00:35:08,626
like a celebratory moment,
you know,
779
00:35:08,709 --> 00:35:10,167
wanna show off a little bit.
780
00:35:11,834 --> 00:35:12,792
We got the 50.
781
00:35:12,876 --> 00:35:14,626
"Let's make sure
it's in the account, Munish."
782
00:35:14,709 --> 00:35:17,125
I don't wanna fly with 50K.
783
00:35:17,209 --> 00:35:18,876
There's no way I'm getting
on a plane with 50K.
784
00:35:18,959 --> 00:35:20,834
I gave it
to Munish's assistant,
785
00:35:20,918 --> 00:35:22,250
deposited it
in the bank account,
786
00:35:22,334 --> 00:35:24,292
and we move forward.
787
00:35:36,167 --> 00:35:38,083
- Now that I think back,
788
00:35:38,167 --> 00:35:39,709
they just was trying
to set me up.
789
00:35:39,792 --> 00:35:43,209
[uneasy music]
790
00:35:43,292 --> 00:35:50,209
♪ ♪
791
00:35:54,918 --> 00:35:56,959
The yacht meeting,
they made it clear
792
00:35:57,042 --> 00:35:58,334
that they wanted money
to funnel
793
00:35:58,417 --> 00:35:59,709
through the college coaches
794
00:35:59,792 --> 00:36:02,709
and from the college coaches
to the players.
795
00:36:02,792 --> 00:36:04,459
Their reason for paying
the coaches is to have
796
00:36:04,542 --> 00:36:06,918
another level of protection
and hopefully,
797
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,709
the coaches
would steer players
798
00:36:09,792 --> 00:36:12,167
towards our
management company.
799
00:36:12,250 --> 00:36:13,584
They didn't want to do it
800
00:36:13,667 --> 00:36:14,918
the way I was
traditionally doing it,
801
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,375
which was through
the players and the parents.
802
00:36:31,584 --> 00:36:34,709
- So whether I get players
from the way I wanna do it
803
00:36:34,792 --> 00:36:36,209
or the way he wants to do it,
804
00:36:36,292 --> 00:36:40,250
as long as we have results
and we are bringing in clients,
805
00:36:40,334 --> 00:36:41,459
it won't matter.
806
00:36:41,542 --> 00:36:43,584
If we have success
and we sign players,
807
00:36:43,667 --> 00:36:44,876
if he's my true partner,
808
00:36:44,959 --> 00:36:46,334
he's not gonna give a shit
anyway.
809
00:37:01,375 --> 00:37:02,626
- Yeah.
810
00:37:02,709 --> 00:37:03,667
- Right.
811
00:37:06,667 --> 00:37:09,792
- In reality,
the reason for them,
812
00:37:09,876 --> 00:37:12,125
from their vantage point,
to pay the coaches
813
00:37:12,209 --> 00:37:15,250
was to fuck us, basically,
814
00:37:15,334 --> 00:37:18,459
and to get us in a situation
where we were,
815
00:37:18,542 --> 00:37:21,500
"bribing" the coaches.
816
00:37:23,334 --> 00:37:25,375
In reality, Jeff D'Angelo
and Jill Bailey
817
00:37:25,459 --> 00:37:28,959
are undercover FBI agents.
818
00:37:29,042 --> 00:37:31,167
In reality, they consider
819
00:37:31,250 --> 00:37:35,667
the colleges coaches
to be public officials.
820
00:37:35,751 --> 00:37:38,334
So by giving money
to a public official
821
00:37:38,417 --> 00:37:40,500
in return for a favor,
822
00:37:40,584 --> 00:37:43,125
that is essentially bribery.
823
00:37:43,209 --> 00:37:46,709
They wanted me to use
my relationships with coaches
824
00:37:46,792 --> 00:37:49,000
to execute on that vision,
825
00:37:49,083 --> 00:37:54,000
to essentially set me up
to commit a felony--
826
00:37:54,083 --> 00:37:55,876
or multiple felonies.
827
00:38:10,876 --> 00:38:12,834
Book Richardson
is the assistant coach
828
00:38:12,918 --> 00:38:14,834
at the University of Arizona.
829
00:38:14,918 --> 00:38:17,250
Sean Miller is the head coach
at University of Arizona.
830
00:38:17,334 --> 00:38:21,375
Book was loyal to Sean.
831
00:38:21,459 --> 00:38:24,042
Arizona was definitely
more open
832
00:38:24,125 --> 00:38:25,626
to getting some shit done.
833
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:38,667
- I don't know these people.
834
00:38:38,751 --> 00:38:40,209
I don't wanna ruffle
any feathers.
835
00:38:40,292 --> 00:38:44,167
I know I need to get
this funding in place.
836
00:38:44,250 --> 00:38:46,375
So at that point,
I wasn't gonna
837
00:38:46,459 --> 00:38:49,167
completely shoot down
838
00:38:49,250 --> 00:38:51,876
everything I thought that,
you know,
839
00:38:51,959 --> 00:38:54,334
he believed was the way
to do business.
840
00:38:54,417 --> 00:38:55,709
I just wanted
to get out of there,
841
00:38:55,792 --> 00:38:58,083
get the money,
and move forward.
842
00:38:58,167 --> 00:39:00,584
- At the end of the day,
Christian wanted to maintain
843
00:39:00,667 --> 00:39:03,250
as much of a relationship
as he could with D'Angelo
844
00:39:03,334 --> 00:39:05,417
because he was funding
LOYD Management.
845
00:39:05,500 --> 00:39:06,834
He was the one
who was paying the money.
846
00:39:06,918 --> 00:39:09,417
This is a dream come true
for a kid like Christian.
847
00:39:09,500 --> 00:39:10,584
But you gotta understand.
848
00:39:10,667 --> 00:39:12,292
He'd never seen
$50,000 before.
849
00:39:12,375 --> 00:39:13,584
He's got 50,000.
850
00:39:13,667 --> 00:39:15,250
He's got
a partnership agreement
851
00:39:15,334 --> 00:39:19,167
that has $250,000 written
on it with his name on it.
852
00:39:19,250 --> 00:39:21,459
♪ ♪
853
00:39:21,542 --> 00:39:23,834
They signed the agreement
and, you know,
854
00:39:23,918 --> 00:39:25,709
Christian goes off
and now he starts
855
00:39:25,792 --> 00:39:28,209
his new partnership
with Jeff D'Angelo
856
00:39:28,292 --> 00:39:30,375
and Jill Bailey,
the FBI agents.
857
00:39:30,459 --> 00:39:33,959
♪ ♪
858
00:39:34,042 --> 00:39:36,125
- I learned about this story
back in 2016.
859
00:39:36,209 --> 00:39:38,584
At the time, I'd been at
"The Wall Street Journal"
860
00:39:38,667 --> 00:39:41,792
for about two years,
and I had been hired there
861
00:39:41,876 --> 00:39:45,459
to cover New York courts
and criminal justice.
862
00:39:45,542 --> 00:39:49,459
And I moved to the sports beat
in mid-2016
863
00:39:49,542 --> 00:39:52,459
and sort of, like,
looking around for stories.
864
00:39:52,542 --> 00:39:55,959
I think I made a joke
about how I didn't know
865
00:39:56,042 --> 00:39:57,626
what I was doing in sports,
866
00:39:57,709 --> 00:40:00,083
and I missed my reporting
on public corruption.
867
00:40:00,167 --> 00:40:03,626
And somebody who came from
my previous beat
868
00:40:03,709 --> 00:40:05,083
sort of made a joke to me
869
00:40:05,167 --> 00:40:08,751
in around November
or December of 2016
870
00:40:08,834 --> 00:40:12,626
that I might not be
so far afield.
871
00:40:12,709 --> 00:40:14,751
And sure enough,
there was this one case
872
00:40:14,834 --> 00:40:17,250
that I found involving
this guy named Marty Blazer,
873
00:40:17,334 --> 00:40:19,417
and the SEC complaints
against him
874
00:40:19,500 --> 00:40:21,500
were just fascinating.
875
00:40:21,584 --> 00:40:24,834
- Marty had his issues
that were known
876
00:40:24,918 --> 00:40:27,876
with the Securities'
investigation for
877
00:40:27,959 --> 00:40:29,459
"misappropriating"
client money,
878
00:40:29,542 --> 00:40:30,667
or stealing money.
879
00:40:30,751 --> 00:40:33,292
- He took his clients' money
and invested it
880
00:40:33,375 --> 00:40:36,083
in some film projects
that he was working on.
881
00:40:36,167 --> 00:40:38,000
- You literally cannot
make this up.
882
00:40:38,083 --> 00:40:39,500
- He had stole
millions of dollars
883
00:40:39,584 --> 00:40:43,125
from clients of his
to make a movie or some shit.
884
00:40:43,209 --> 00:40:45,792
- Um, one of them was called,
"Mafia the Movie."
885
00:40:45,876 --> 00:40:47,459
[thunder booms]
886
00:40:47,542 --> 00:40:50,500
[lighter clicks]
- I know who you are.
887
00:40:50,584 --> 00:40:53,959
Blood on your hands represents
the lives I've taken.
888
00:40:54,042 --> 00:40:56,792
[eerie music]
889
00:40:56,876 --> 00:40:58,167
It's the gangster business...
890
00:40:58,250 --> 00:40:59,459
[gunshot]
891
00:40:59,542 --> 00:41:00,626
And I love it.
892
00:41:00,709 --> 00:41:03,709
[dramatic music]
893
00:41:03,792 --> 00:41:04,876
♪ ♪
894
00:41:04,959 --> 00:41:07,459
- I didn't know he was, like,
having a Ponzi scheme
895
00:41:07,542 --> 00:41:11,375
to become a, um--he had
ambitions to be a movie mogul
896
00:41:11,459 --> 00:41:14,209
and was fucking taking
players' money to do it.
897
00:41:14,292 --> 00:41:16,751
- The SEC confronted him.
898
00:41:16,834 --> 00:41:18,542
They said,
"We're gonna charge you."
899
00:41:18,626 --> 00:41:21,375
- And he was being indicted
on all kinds of fraud charges,
900
00:41:21,459 --> 00:41:23,626
identity theft,
securities fraud.
901
00:41:23,709 --> 00:41:26,334
And when he sat down
with the U.S. attorney...
902
00:41:26,417 --> 00:41:27,500
- And he said,
"Wait, wait, wait.
903
00:41:27,584 --> 00:41:30,125
Don't arrest me just yet.
I can help you."
904
00:41:30,209 --> 00:41:32,334
- He told them
he had some information
905
00:41:32,417 --> 00:41:33,667
that could be of value perhaps,
906
00:41:33,751 --> 00:41:36,083
that could provide him
some relief with his case.
907
00:41:36,167 --> 00:41:38,375
- "I know about
this whole scheme
908
00:41:38,459 --> 00:41:40,209
"to bribe coaches,
909
00:41:40,292 --> 00:41:42,459
and I can help you
investigate this."
910
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:45,626
- The origin
of the entire case was
911
00:41:45,709 --> 00:41:47,417
Marty Blazer.
912
00:41:47,500 --> 00:41:49,751
- Yeah, CW-1 is Marty Blazer,
913
00:41:49,834 --> 00:41:52,250
cooperating witness
number one.
914
00:41:52,334 --> 00:41:55,459
So he was the first informant.
915
00:41:55,542 --> 00:41:56,500
- For a lot of that,
he was on his own.
916
00:41:56,584 --> 00:41:58,500
He didn't have FBI agents
917
00:41:58,584 --> 00:42:00,083
alongside him
as business partners.
918
00:42:00,167 --> 00:42:01,125
So in the early years of this,
919
00:42:01,209 --> 00:42:03,417
it was just him going around,
meeting people
920
00:42:03,500 --> 00:42:06,876
and saying, um, you know,
921
00:42:06,959 --> 00:42:08,417
"Do you want some cash?"
922
00:42:08,500 --> 00:42:11,334
You know,
"We can work together.
923
00:42:11,417 --> 00:42:13,125
I can introduce you
to this guy."
924
00:42:13,209 --> 00:42:14,542
And he's recording it himself.
925
00:42:14,626 --> 00:42:16,542
It's sort of like
a freelance operation.
926
00:42:16,626 --> 00:42:18,626
♪ ♪
927
00:42:18,709 --> 00:42:20,334
[phone line trills]
928
00:42:20,417 --> 00:42:23,834
♪ ♪
929
00:42:23,918 --> 00:42:25,542
[phone line trills]
930
00:42:29,918 --> 00:42:31,709
[both laugh]
- How you doing--
931
00:42:35,083 --> 00:42:37,250
- And this is the genesis
on the entire case.
932
00:42:37,334 --> 00:42:39,792
A three-year FBI investigation
933
00:42:39,876 --> 00:42:42,792
was created by Marty Blazer,
934
00:42:42,876 --> 00:42:44,292
trying to get out of trouble.
935
00:42:44,375 --> 00:42:45,751
- Marty was recruiting
our players
936
00:42:45,834 --> 00:42:48,250
that we was involved with
at ASM.
937
00:42:48,334 --> 00:42:51,334
Marty wants to, you know,
build a relationship.
938
00:43:07,751 --> 00:43:09,042
- So he's trying to get
a lower sentence,
939
00:43:09,125 --> 00:43:11,500
and he's just throwing darts
against the wall of stuff
940
00:43:11,584 --> 00:43:13,167
that he can bring to the table.
941
00:43:13,250 --> 00:43:14,626
Munish was one of the people
he said
942
00:43:14,709 --> 00:43:17,417
that was involved
with paying players.
943
00:43:18,250 --> 00:43:20,209
They got enough evidence
to tap Munish's phone.
944
00:43:20,292 --> 00:43:21,667
Once they do that,
945
00:43:21,751 --> 00:43:23,500
they talk--hear me talking
to Munish, obviously,
946
00:43:23,584 --> 00:43:26,209
because I talk to Munish
all the time.
947
00:43:26,292 --> 00:43:29,918
They know of our plans.
They know I need funding.
948
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,292
They turn--they get to Marty.
949
00:43:32,375 --> 00:43:35,125
Marty makes the introduction
to the--to the undercovers.
950
00:43:35,209 --> 00:43:38,209
And then, um, June 6, 2017,
951
00:43:38,292 --> 00:43:41,042
we were in a yacht
in Battery Park.
952
00:43:41,125 --> 00:43:44,000
- On June 20th,
Christian set up meetings
953
00:43:44,083 --> 00:43:47,083
for Merl--Merl Code
and Book Richardson
954
00:43:47,167 --> 00:43:48,542
to go meet with Jeff D'Angelo.
955
00:43:48,626 --> 00:43:51,667
[soft suspenseful music]
956
00:44:07,459 --> 00:44:09,876
- This is only 14 days
after the yacht.
957
00:44:09,959 --> 00:44:13,250
Christian is talking to Book,
and he literally tells him,
958
00:44:13,334 --> 00:44:15,000
"I've hyped you up."
Right?
959
00:44:15,083 --> 00:44:16,709
"This is what I think
you can get out of him."
960
00:44:51,375 --> 00:44:52,876
- Book's saying,
"Hey, thanks a lot.
961
00:44:52,959 --> 00:44:55,167
What can I do for you?"
962
00:44:55,250 --> 00:44:57,417
And Christian says, "You don't
have to do anything for me.
963
00:44:57,500 --> 00:44:59,042
"I'm Gucci.
I don't--I'm good.
964
00:44:59,125 --> 00:45:00,417
I don't need anything."
965
00:45:00,500 --> 00:45:01,918
And Book then gets out
of the cab,
966
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,375
goes into the meeting,
967
00:45:03,459 --> 00:45:06,459
and he gets his $5,000
from Jeff D'Angelo.
968
00:45:41,167 --> 00:45:43,000
- Oh, I know, I know, I know.
969
00:45:54,626 --> 00:45:57,000
- Merl also is on the way over
to meet with the FBI.
970
00:45:57,083 --> 00:46:00,000
- Merl Code is a mentor
of mine.
971
00:46:00,083 --> 00:46:01,792
I met him through Andy.
972
00:46:02,834 --> 00:46:04,000
Merl's working for Adidas.
973
00:46:04,083 --> 00:46:07,334
Merl was a facilitator
and a relationship person,
974
00:46:07,417 --> 00:46:12,209
but also someone who--
who helped us recruit.
975
00:46:12,292 --> 00:46:15,626
He wasn't a equity partner,
but we were so close.
976
00:46:15,709 --> 00:46:17,125
We had the resources.
977
00:46:17,209 --> 00:46:20,459
I'm like, "I'll pay Merl
to open doors for me,
978
00:46:20,542 --> 00:46:24,000
"help me build relationships,
maintain relationships.
979
00:46:24,083 --> 00:46:25,626
"Merl's good--been good to me.
980
00:46:25,709 --> 00:46:27,542
I wanna make sure
he can eat too."
981
00:46:27,626 --> 00:46:28,792
- And Christian's telling him,
982
00:46:28,876 --> 00:46:31,417
"Look, this is what
you need to do.
983
00:46:31,500 --> 00:46:33,667
"Let D'Angelo know
that you can provide
984
00:46:33,751 --> 00:46:35,834
a great value
to LOYD Management."
985
00:46:50,626 --> 00:46:53,167
- And Merl says, "Well, how?
How can I do that?"
986
00:46:53,250 --> 00:46:54,209
And Christian's like,
987
00:46:54,292 --> 00:46:55,667
"Merl, just give them
any fucking name.
988
00:46:55,751 --> 00:46:56,876
They don't know
what they're talking about."
989
00:46:56,959 --> 00:46:58,334
- [laughs]
990
00:47:16,918 --> 00:47:18,959
- For Merl too,
this was nothing other than
991
00:47:19,042 --> 00:47:22,083
Merl telling Jeff D'Angelo
what Jeff D'Angelo
992
00:47:22,167 --> 00:47:24,918
wanted to hear,
get money out of him.
993
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,250
And the lack of respect
that Christian exhibited
994
00:47:27,334 --> 00:47:28,667
was almost immediate.
995
00:47:28,751 --> 00:47:31,584
So there was really
no relationship at all,
996
00:47:31,667 --> 00:47:33,918
even in the beginning of them
997
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,083
coming together
to form LOYD Management.
998
00:47:36,167 --> 00:47:38,459
He had no interest
in bribing coaches.
999
00:47:38,542 --> 00:47:40,876
He wanted the money
from the FBI
1000
00:47:40,959 --> 00:47:42,250
to run his sports agency.
1001
00:47:42,334 --> 00:47:44,292
[dramatic string music]
1002
00:47:44,375 --> 00:47:46,042
- All these things are being
recorded, all these calls,
1003
00:47:46,125 --> 00:47:48,167
these thousands of hours
of wiretaps.
1004
00:47:48,250 --> 00:47:49,334
'Cause it wasn't just
my phone.
1005
00:47:49,417 --> 00:47:50,417
Numerous phones.
1006
00:47:50,500 --> 00:47:53,250
There's at least one person,
if not more,
1007
00:47:53,334 --> 00:47:56,500
whose job is to just go in
and focus only on
1008
00:47:56,584 --> 00:47:59,334
monitoring those phone calls.
1009
00:47:59,417 --> 00:48:06,375
♪ ♪
1010
00:48:33,834 --> 00:48:35,584
- Mm-hmm.
1011
00:48:35,667 --> 00:48:37,709
So in my head, I'm like,
1012
00:48:37,792 --> 00:48:39,417
"He's just really that stupid.
1013
00:48:39,500 --> 00:48:41,500
"He doesn't understand
how the business works
1014
00:48:41,584 --> 00:48:42,751
"if he thinks that
it makes sense
1015
00:48:42,834 --> 00:48:44,417
to just go out here
and pay coaches."
1016
00:48:44,500 --> 00:48:47,167
I was never, ever, ever
1017
00:48:47,250 --> 00:48:50,167
given a player
directly from a coach.
1018
00:48:50,250 --> 00:48:51,334
Ever.
1019
00:48:51,417 --> 00:48:52,584
I never signed anyone.
1020
00:48:52,667 --> 00:48:54,667
If anything,
I gotta fight the coaches
1021
00:48:54,751 --> 00:48:58,167
to keep them from going to--
they wanna keep them in school.
1022
00:48:58,250 --> 00:48:59,500
They don't want
the fucking players
1023
00:48:59,584 --> 00:49:01,000
to leave and go to the NBA.
1024
00:49:01,083 --> 00:49:02,167
So I'm fighting with them.
1025
00:49:02,250 --> 00:49:04,125
They're not trying
to push dudes--
1026
00:49:04,209 --> 00:49:05,667
push dudes to the NBA.
1027
00:49:05,751 --> 00:49:07,125
That's a lie.
1028
00:49:07,209 --> 00:49:08,959
The only person who does that
is Kentucky
1029
00:49:09,042 --> 00:49:10,959
'cause they got
five more coming.
1030
00:49:11,042 --> 00:49:13,500
- Christian has the players
locked in, in theory,
1031
00:49:13,584 --> 00:49:15,083
before they ever get
to the school.
1032
00:49:18,500 --> 00:49:19,834
[clears throat]
1033
00:50:01,167 --> 00:50:04,375
- Jeff D'Angelo is pushing,
he's pushing, he's pushing
1034
00:50:04,459 --> 00:50:06,626
the whole model to pay
the coaches because it fits
1035
00:50:06,709 --> 00:50:08,667
the government's narrative
of bribery.
1036
00:50:08,751 --> 00:50:09,751
- I'm trying to tell him,
1037
00:50:09,834 --> 00:50:11,042
"That makes
no fucking sense, bro."
1038
00:50:11,125 --> 00:50:13,792
Like,
"What are you talking about?"
1039
00:50:13,876 --> 00:50:17,751
♪ ♪
1040
00:50:41,459 --> 00:50:43,042
[ominous string music]
1041
00:50:43,125 --> 00:50:46,083
- I'm like, "Whatever.
Okay, cool."
1042
00:50:54,375 --> 00:50:55,918
What I was really
trying to say was not,
1043
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:57,667
"Let's just go
to the strip club."
1044
00:50:57,751 --> 00:50:58,834
It was basically, like,
1045
00:50:58,918 --> 00:51:01,918
showing him how much of a waste
of the money was.
1046
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,500
Like, "If we're gonna
just blow some money, let's--
1047
00:51:04,584 --> 00:51:06,542
"we might as well just take it
and go have some fun
1048
00:51:06,626 --> 00:51:08,083
"because that's what's
gonna be the value
1049
00:51:08,167 --> 00:51:09,334
that's gonna come out of it."
1050
00:51:09,417 --> 00:51:12,042
I mean, I was obviously
being a degenerate by saying,
1051
00:51:12,125 --> 00:51:13,584
"Let's go to the strip club."
1052
00:51:13,667 --> 00:51:15,083
That was w--you know.
1053
00:51:16,459 --> 00:51:17,918
I might have been serious,
who knows?
1054
00:51:35,083 --> 00:51:38,709
- My investor says,
"100%, this is my money,"
1055
00:51:38,792 --> 00:51:41,083
essentially,
"I'ma let you do you,
1056
00:51:41,167 --> 00:51:43,334
but you gonna fucking do
what I tell you to do."
1057
00:51:43,417 --> 00:51:44,834
- It's on the phone calls.
1058
00:51:44,918 --> 00:51:47,500
You can hear it,
the voice of the FBI agent
1059
00:51:47,584 --> 00:51:48,792
having an "oh, shit" moment.
1060
00:51:48,876 --> 00:51:50,292
He's stuttering.
He's stammering.
1061
00:51:50,375 --> 00:51:51,834
You can hear the anxiety
from him.
1062
00:51:51,918 --> 00:51:54,667
"He's not gonna do it.
What are we gonna do now?"
1063
00:51:54,751 --> 00:51:57,250
Keep on pushing him.
Keep on pushing him.
1064
00:52:10,375 --> 00:52:12,000
- And I figured
that he was pretty adamant
1065
00:52:12,083 --> 00:52:14,709
about not funding me
1066
00:52:14,792 --> 00:52:17,918
if I didn't do what he wanted--
wanted me to do.
1067
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:19,709
So at that point,
I had to make a decision.
1068
00:52:37,792 --> 00:52:40,167
- And the decision
I made was to
1069
00:52:40,250 --> 00:52:43,042
go along with his idea
that we should fund coaches,
1070
00:52:43,125 --> 00:52:45,500
get the coaches to understand
what was happening,
1071
00:52:45,584 --> 00:52:47,083
then I would just
take the money
1072
00:52:47,167 --> 00:52:49,167
and put it in my bank account
and keep it.
1073
00:52:49,250 --> 00:52:51,292
♪ ♪
1074
00:52:51,375 --> 00:52:54,250
And I was like,
"Listen, if you think that
1075
00:52:54,334 --> 00:52:56,959
this makes sense, cool."
1076
00:52:57,042 --> 00:52:59,500
What I did, I called Merl,
1077
00:52:59,584 --> 00:53:01,417
said, "Listen,
this guy's a fucking idiot."
1078
00:53:01,500 --> 00:53:03,751
Like, "There's nothing
that we can do to save him."
1079
00:53:03,834 --> 00:53:06,918
- Literally, the same day
within a couple hours,
1080
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,584
he calls Merl Code up,
telling Merl Code,
1081
00:53:09,667 --> 00:53:11,167
"I ain't gonna pay coaches."
1082
00:53:25,959 --> 00:53:29,334
"We gonna fucking set up
these meetings.
1083
00:53:29,417 --> 00:53:31,918
"We're gonna tell the dude,
D'Angelo,
1084
00:53:32,042 --> 00:53:35,751
"that these coaches are gonna
get this amount of money.
1085
00:53:35,834 --> 00:53:37,667
We gonna take the money
and keep it."
1086
00:53:44,751 --> 00:53:47,125
- Christian is on the phone,
telling Merl,
1087
00:53:47,209 --> 00:53:49,626
"I tried to do things
the right way.
1088
00:53:49,709 --> 00:53:51,834
"These guys
won't listen to me, Merl.
1089
00:53:51,918 --> 00:53:55,125
"I've tried to explain it
to them multiple fucking times.
1090
00:53:55,209 --> 00:53:56,918
They just won't listen."
1091
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,417
- So I tell Merl,
"Listen, line up some coaches,
1092
00:54:00,500 --> 00:54:03,500
and he'll give you
the 8,000 a month."
1093
00:54:03,584 --> 00:54:04,751
Merl's like, "Cool."
1094
00:54:04,834 --> 00:54:07,083
I'ma tell them,
"Spend 15, 20 minutes.
1095
00:54:07,167 --> 00:54:08,751
I'm not going to the meeting."
1096
00:54:08,834 --> 00:54:10,083
I'm not gonna be out here,
1097
00:54:10,167 --> 00:54:12,250
telling him to take no mo--
like all that shit.
1098
00:54:12,334 --> 00:54:14,167
We was both on the same page.
Like, "This is dumb."
1099
00:54:14,250 --> 00:54:16,542
I didn't look at it like
I'm stealing money from him
1100
00:54:16,626 --> 00:54:18,792
by setting up the meetings
and just keeping the money.
1101
00:54:18,876 --> 00:54:21,167
I looked at it like,
"I'm keeping my money
1102
00:54:21,250 --> 00:54:25,834
"because I'm responsible
as a partner in this company
1103
00:54:25,918 --> 00:54:28,542
"to fucking keep
the expenses low
1104
00:54:28,626 --> 00:54:30,083
and grow the profits."
1105
00:54:30,167 --> 00:54:33,250
- Christian and his friends,
they were hustling the FBI.
1106
00:54:33,334 --> 00:54:34,709
There's no question about that.
1107
00:54:34,792 --> 00:54:36,292
That was a matter of just
listening to the wiretaps
1108
00:54:36,375 --> 00:54:37,792
and hearing
what they were saying.
1109
00:54:37,876 --> 00:54:39,500
But really, it was because
Christian was trying
1110
00:54:39,584 --> 00:54:42,250
to tell this guy how
LOYD Management should be run.
1111
00:54:53,417 --> 00:54:54,417
- [chuckles]
1112
00:55:23,751 --> 00:55:26,042
- The thing was Christian
had no idea, really,
1113
00:55:26,125 --> 00:55:29,500
what D'Angelo was doing was
trying to build a bribery case,
1114
00:55:29,584 --> 00:55:31,209
a coaches' bribery case.
1115
00:55:59,292 --> 00:56:01,250
Merl was saying the same thing
we were saying.
1116
00:56:01,334 --> 00:56:03,375
"This fucking guy is stupid."
1117
00:56:03,459 --> 00:56:06,209
And so he's like, you know,
"You gotta be very careful
1118
00:56:06,292 --> 00:56:07,709
coming off the Uber stuff."
1119
00:56:07,792 --> 00:56:09,959
You know, obviously, he knew
what the deal was with Uber,
1120
00:56:10,042 --> 00:56:11,709
but he's like,
"You gotta be careful.
1121
00:56:11,792 --> 00:56:13,751
"The way you handle
your business,
1122
00:56:13,834 --> 00:56:16,083
you gotta clean your stuff up,"
which was true.
1123
00:56:16,167 --> 00:56:17,417
It was a fact.
1124
00:56:41,167 --> 00:56:43,417
[dramatic music]
1125
00:56:43,500 --> 00:56:47,584
I had knew someone
who was formerly at the DA.
1126
00:56:47,667 --> 00:56:49,584
So I'm like, "Well,
let me check with my source."
1127
00:56:49,667 --> 00:56:51,626
And this guy definitely--
retired DA,
1128
00:56:51,709 --> 00:56:53,834
worked over 20 years.
1129
00:56:53,918 --> 00:56:56,292
I wanted him to run
a background check
1130
00:56:56,375 --> 00:56:58,959
on Jeff D'Angelo
and Jill Bailey.
1131
00:56:59,042 --> 00:57:01,459
♪ ♪
1132
00:57:01,542 --> 00:57:03,209
I gave him the names,
1133
00:57:03,292 --> 00:57:05,542
told him to call me back
when he got some information.
1134
00:57:05,626 --> 00:57:08,500
He had someone
that he knew at the FBI
1135
00:57:08,584 --> 00:57:10,042
do a background check.
1136
00:57:10,125 --> 00:57:14,334
♪ ♪
1137
00:57:14,417 --> 00:57:17,375
Of course it comes up clean.
Everything was above board.
1138
00:57:17,459 --> 00:57:18,709
Everything checked out
of what they said.
1139
00:57:18,792 --> 00:57:22,125
So the guy who I knew
who worked for the DA
1140
00:57:22,209 --> 00:57:23,626
calls me back.
1141
00:57:23,709 --> 00:57:24,709
"They're solid."
1142
00:57:25,876 --> 00:57:28,250
So that's all I needed to hear
at that point.
1143
00:57:28,334 --> 00:57:29,709
Once we checked that out,
I was like,
1144
00:57:29,792 --> 00:57:30,751
"I don't really need a PI.
1145
00:57:30,834 --> 00:57:33,959
I'll take that
and roll with it."
1146
00:57:34,042 --> 00:57:37,334
We thought it was straight.
Munish thought it was straight.
1147
00:57:37,417 --> 00:57:39,375
♪ ♪
1148
00:57:39,459 --> 00:57:40,876
It was the worst thing ever.
1149
00:57:42,792 --> 00:57:46,000
- There came a point in time
in investigation
1150
00:57:46,083 --> 00:57:49,918
where everything
turned towards, really,
1151
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,792
Christian hustling
Jeff D'Angelo
1152
00:57:52,876 --> 00:57:54,375
and trying to get as much money
as he could
1153
00:57:54,459 --> 00:57:57,542
out of the FBI,
not knowing they were the FBI,
1154
00:57:57,626 --> 00:57:59,584
and doing the exact opposite
1155
00:57:59,667 --> 00:58:01,209
of what they thought
he was doing
1156
00:58:01,292 --> 00:58:02,918
the entire time with the money.
1157
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:06,000
And it really culminates
out in Las Vegas.
1158
00:58:06,083 --> 00:58:09,000
[dynamic music]
1159
00:58:09,083 --> 00:58:16,042
♪ ♪
1160
00:58:17,083 --> 00:58:20,334
- We met around
late July, 2017.
1161
00:58:20,417 --> 00:58:21,500
We're in Vegas.
1162
00:58:21,584 --> 00:58:24,042
All the coaches
in Division I basketball
1163
00:58:24,125 --> 00:58:27,751
are all in Vegas for
the summer evaluation period
1164
00:58:27,834 --> 00:58:29,626
for the grassroots basketball.
1165
00:58:29,709 --> 00:58:31,292
So all the coaches
were out there
1166
00:58:31,375 --> 00:58:33,542
to watch the young players
that are out there playing.
1167
00:58:34,709 --> 00:58:35,709
The whole point
of the Vegas trip
1168
00:58:35,792 --> 00:58:38,083
was to introduce college
coaches to Jeff D'Angelo
1169
00:58:38,167 --> 00:58:41,042
because he wanted
to be able to pay them.
1170
00:58:42,542 --> 00:58:44,626
I felt the easiest
and most efficient way
1171
00:58:44,709 --> 00:58:47,834
to get everybody
to knock it out,
1172
00:58:47,918 --> 00:58:49,167
instead of flying
all over the country,
1173
00:58:49,250 --> 00:58:50,751
was to just have
a meeting in Vegas,
1174
00:58:50,834 --> 00:58:52,751
get a room,
and have meetings in the room.
1175
00:58:52,834 --> 00:58:56,042
I'm thinking, you know,
a regular suite,
1176
00:58:56,125 --> 00:58:59,083
a suite at, you know,
a local Marriott.
1177
00:59:00,667 --> 00:59:03,542
I get to the hotel,
and, you know,
1178
00:59:03,626 --> 00:59:04,918
the suite's on
one of the top floors,
1179
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:06,542
one of the best suites
they have in there.
1180
00:59:07,626 --> 00:59:09,792
I go in the suite.
1181
00:59:09,876 --> 00:59:12,626
It's huge,
and I'm thinking to myself,
1182
00:59:12,709 --> 00:59:14,167
"This shit is crazy."
1183
00:59:14,250 --> 00:59:15,792
'Cause again, I'm going back
to the numbers, like,
1184
00:59:15,876 --> 00:59:18,250
"What are we doing?
This makes no sense."
1185
00:59:18,334 --> 00:59:19,626
It was ridiculous.
1186
00:59:19,709 --> 00:59:20,792
It was the best--
one of the best things
1187
00:59:20,876 --> 00:59:22,292
that they had in there.
1188
00:59:22,375 --> 00:59:23,959
It's laid out,
drinks everywhere,
1189
00:59:24,042 --> 00:59:27,459
you know, wine, champagne,
and a living room area, bar.
1190
00:59:27,542 --> 00:59:30,083
It was ridiculous.
The room was crazy.
1191
00:59:30,167 --> 00:59:32,042
So in my head, I'm like,
1192
00:59:32,125 --> 00:59:33,918
"We're never gonna make money.
1193
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:35,834
We've spent everything."
1194
00:59:35,918 --> 00:59:39,459
I wasn't even doing it
from a moral high place.
1195
00:59:39,542 --> 00:59:44,417
I was down for some bullshit,
but it makes no business sense.
1196
00:59:44,500 --> 00:59:46,584
Expenses have to recouped
no matter what--
1197
00:59:46,667 --> 00:59:50,375
what way you look at it,
the house has to always win,
1198
00:59:50,459 --> 00:59:52,250
or you don't have
a house anymore.
1199
00:59:52,334 --> 00:59:54,042
You lose everything.
1200
00:59:54,125 --> 00:59:55,876
I call Munish that day.
1201
00:59:55,959 --> 00:59:57,626
I'm like, "I know we checked
into everything,
1202
00:59:57,709 --> 00:59:59,000
but this isn't right."
1203
00:59:59,083 --> 01:00:00,125
And at that point, I'm like,
1204
01:00:00,209 --> 01:00:02,042
"Maybe they with the mafia
or some shit like that."
1205
01:00:02,125 --> 01:00:03,334
Like, "Jeff is Italian--"
1206
01:00:03,417 --> 01:00:05,334
Not to be racist
or stereotypical.
1207
01:00:05,417 --> 01:00:07,375
I'm like, "He's Italian.
May--he's got all this money.
1208
01:00:07,459 --> 01:00:08,918
Maybe he's in the mafia."
1209
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:10,167
- Christian has made it clear
1210
01:00:10,250 --> 01:00:12,375
he's not gonna give any coaches
any money.
1211
01:00:12,459 --> 01:00:14,626
Christian contacts
a lot of his close friends
1212
01:00:14,709 --> 01:00:16,626
that are college coaches,
and he has a lot of them.
1213
01:00:16,709 --> 01:00:20,500
He contacts Corey Barker
from Texas Christian,
1214
01:00:20,584 --> 01:00:23,125
he contacts Preston Murphy
from Creighton,
1215
01:00:23,209 --> 01:00:26,334
Tony Bland from USC,
and others.
1216
01:00:26,417 --> 01:00:27,459
And he tells them,
1217
01:00:27,542 --> 01:00:29,250
"Look, I need you to come
and do me a favor.
1218
01:00:29,334 --> 01:00:31,584
We're gonna go meet
with the investors."
1219
01:00:31,667 --> 01:00:33,584
- We told the coaches
what was happening.
1220
01:00:33,667 --> 01:00:35,709
"Listen, bro,
this guy's stupid.
1221
01:00:35,792 --> 01:00:38,417
"He is my investor.
Just go in here.
1222
01:00:38,500 --> 01:00:40,125
I'ma take the money
off the table."
1223
01:00:41,792 --> 01:00:43,375
And what I ended up doing
was taking the money
1224
01:00:43,459 --> 01:00:44,542
and keeping it.
1225
01:00:44,626 --> 01:00:45,918
We was in Vegas.
"Let's take some of it.
1226
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:47,042
Let's have some fun."
1227
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:50,918
You know,
Tony definitely was aware
1228
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:52,667
that we gonna go in here,
1229
01:00:52,751 --> 01:00:54,459
I'm gonna talk to him
about some players,
1230
01:00:54,542 --> 01:00:56,083
they gonna put some
money on the table,
1231
01:00:56,167 --> 01:00:57,459
I'm gonna take it.
1232
01:00:57,542 --> 01:00:58,667
He knew that.
1233
01:00:58,751 --> 01:01:00,334
I think it was 13K.
1234
01:01:00,417 --> 01:01:03,167
Tony didn't get it.
I took off the table.
1235
01:01:03,250 --> 01:01:07,000
[soft dramatic music]
1236
01:01:07,083 --> 01:01:10,292
I was in Vegas.
I just went gambling.
1237
01:01:10,375 --> 01:01:12,042
Sorry.
1238
01:01:12,125 --> 01:01:14,584
It was all kinds of money
in that suite.
1239
01:01:14,667 --> 01:01:16,584
It was over 100K.
1240
01:01:16,667 --> 01:01:19,250
Jeff D'Angelo, he had a safe.
1241
01:01:19,334 --> 01:01:20,250
Whenever we needed some money,
1242
01:01:20,334 --> 01:01:21,626
he'd go to the safe
and get the money out,
1243
01:01:21,709 --> 01:01:23,459
and it was real money.
1244
01:01:23,542 --> 01:01:26,125
It was never--it definitely
wasn't five--I mean, fuck.
1245
01:01:26,209 --> 01:01:28,542
We had one meeting,
there was 15K on the table.
1246
01:01:30,334 --> 01:01:32,751
I mean, it was--
it was a shit show.
1247
01:01:32,834 --> 01:01:37,042
And then fucking
Marty Blazer popped up.
1248
01:01:37,125 --> 01:01:39,959
And that was around the time
that I had just became aware
1249
01:01:40,042 --> 01:01:41,375
of the SEC stuff.
1250
01:01:41,459 --> 01:01:44,542
I was really hot that
he was involved or around.
1251
01:01:44,626 --> 01:01:46,709
There's no purpose for him
being in the meeting.
1252
01:01:46,792 --> 01:01:48,500
You know, Jeff is like,
"Oh, he's out here with me.
1253
01:01:48,584 --> 01:01:51,083
It's fine.
He's my guy."
1254
01:01:51,167 --> 01:01:53,918
I was just like,
1255
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:55,626
"Yeah, no."
1256
01:01:56,834 --> 01:01:58,584
So after
the Tony Bland meeting,
1257
01:01:58,667 --> 01:02:01,959
it was my last meeting
of the day--of the night with
1258
01:02:02,042 --> 01:02:04,751
Jeff D'Angelo
and Marty Blazer.
1259
01:02:04,834 --> 01:02:06,000
Later on that night,
1260
01:02:06,083 --> 01:02:08,042
I had another meeting
with another coach
1261
01:02:08,125 --> 01:02:09,626
in a casino lobby.
1262
01:02:09,709 --> 01:02:13,792
As I'm leaving,
walking on the casino floor,
1263
01:02:13,876 --> 01:02:16,209
I notice Blazer and D'Angelo
1264
01:02:16,292 --> 01:02:19,709
are together in the casino,
gambling.
1265
01:02:19,792 --> 01:02:21,083
At that point,
I just, you know,
1266
01:02:21,167 --> 01:02:23,792
didn't think anything of it
and just left.
1267
01:02:23,876 --> 01:02:25,417
[tense music]
1268
01:02:25,500 --> 01:02:27,334
So after the Tony meeting,
1269
01:02:27,417 --> 01:02:29,751
we got, you know,
roughly $13,000.
1270
01:02:29,834 --> 01:02:31,709
You know, we just went out.
We--we partied.
1271
01:02:31,792 --> 01:02:34,751
We, um, did a little bit
of gambling.
1272
01:02:34,834 --> 01:02:36,167
It wasn't a lot.
1273
01:02:36,250 --> 01:02:39,334
The rest was, you know,
out at the club.
1274
01:02:39,417 --> 01:02:41,667
You know,
stuff happens at the club.
1275
01:02:41,751 --> 01:02:43,709
You throw money
and stuff like that.
1276
01:02:43,792 --> 01:02:46,834
And then the next morning,
1277
01:02:46,918 --> 01:02:49,167
the rest of the money was--
well, most of the money was
1278
01:02:49,250 --> 01:02:52,375
deposited in
the LOYD business account.
1279
01:02:52,459 --> 01:02:56,042
♪ ♪
1280
01:02:56,125 --> 01:02:59,042
Essentially,
the FBI funded a great party
1281
01:02:59,125 --> 01:03:02,292
for some coaches and myself
to just hang out.
1282
01:03:02,375 --> 01:03:03,459
N--
[chuckles]
1283
01:03:03,542 --> 01:03:06,918
No one was with us that night
1284
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:08,667
thinking that
we're bribing each other.
1285
01:03:08,751 --> 01:03:10,250
No one.
1286
01:03:10,334 --> 01:03:13,125
I would think in Vegas,
we spent...
1287
01:03:13,209 --> 01:03:17,209
everything all in, over 100K.
1288
01:03:20,792 --> 01:03:23,125
- Correct, I got worried
after the Vegas trip.
1289
01:03:24,459 --> 01:03:27,292
- It got resolved because
Jeff was out of the picture.
1290
01:03:27,375 --> 01:03:30,042
- I think at the end of July,
1291
01:03:30,125 --> 01:03:33,209
Jeff D'Angelo just no longer
was part of the investigation,
1292
01:03:33,292 --> 01:03:37,709
and the explanation was that
Jeff had some family business
1293
01:03:37,792 --> 01:03:39,542
he had to tend to
over in Europe.
1294
01:03:39,626 --> 01:03:43,667
- Jeff D'Angelo's mother...
1295
01:03:43,751 --> 01:03:46,042
is supposedly sick in Sicily,
1296
01:03:46,125 --> 01:03:48,959
and he's going over to
take care of his dying mother.
1297
01:03:49,042 --> 01:03:50,959
I was like, "All right, cool.
1298
01:03:51,042 --> 01:03:52,334
Fine by me."
1299
01:03:52,417 --> 01:03:53,375
- At that point,
1300
01:03:53,459 --> 01:03:55,250
the government did not
replace him with anyone.
1301
01:03:55,334 --> 01:03:58,500
They just went forward
with Jill Bailey.
1302
01:03:58,584 --> 01:04:00,500
- I didn't wanna deal with him
anymore anyway.
1303
01:04:00,584 --> 01:04:03,292
Jill was better and easier
to work with.
1304
01:04:03,375 --> 01:04:07,375
Jill was much more convincing
and appealing
1305
01:04:07,459 --> 01:04:09,083
from the standpoint
of having a partner.
1306
01:04:09,167 --> 01:04:10,626
She just had her shit
together better.
1307
01:04:10,709 --> 01:04:13,626
[desolate music]
1308
01:04:13,709 --> 01:04:17,959
♪ ♪
1309
01:04:18,042 --> 01:04:21,042
September 25th,
I flew up from Atlanta.
1310
01:04:22,459 --> 01:04:23,876
I'm supposed to meet Jill,
1311
01:04:23,959 --> 01:04:25,834
and Jeff is supposed
to be back.
1312
01:04:25,918 --> 01:04:28,334
Supposed to have this
"come to Jesus" meeting
1313
01:04:28,417 --> 01:04:30,542
with everyone
about the structure
1314
01:04:30,626 --> 01:04:32,417
and the budgets and the, uh--
1315
01:04:32,500 --> 01:04:34,751
the plans for the--
for the year.
1316
01:04:36,125 --> 01:04:37,042
I was late for the meeting.
1317
01:04:37,125 --> 01:04:40,584
The meeting was at the W Hotel
in Times Square.
1318
01:04:40,667 --> 01:04:44,250
So I go over to the hotel,
to W.
1319
01:04:44,334 --> 01:04:46,125
Jill's in the--
she comes down to the lobby
1320
01:04:46,209 --> 01:04:47,751
to get me, to bring me up.
1321
01:04:47,834 --> 01:04:51,167
[dramatic music]
1322
01:04:51,250 --> 01:04:53,667
So we go upstairs.
1323
01:04:53,751 --> 01:04:56,125
I walk into the suite,
1324
01:04:56,209 --> 01:04:58,792
and I see two guys
I've never seen.
1325
01:04:58,876 --> 01:05:00,083
I'm like, "This is strange."
1326
01:05:00,167 --> 01:05:01,751
♪ ♪
1327
01:05:01,834 --> 01:05:02,959
We sit down.
1328
01:05:03,042 --> 01:05:04,209
I'm not saying anything
1329
01:05:04,292 --> 01:05:05,542
'cause I don't know
these dudes.
1330
01:05:05,626 --> 01:05:07,459
I'm thinking,
"Jeff is supposed to be here."
1331
01:05:07,542 --> 01:05:08,709
He's not there.
1332
01:05:08,792 --> 01:05:10,751
I start talking about
some basketball players
1333
01:05:10,834 --> 01:05:13,292
and maybe some games
in the NBA that just happened,
1334
01:05:13,375 --> 01:05:15,584
just trying to, you know,
have a normal convo
1335
01:05:15,667 --> 01:05:17,125
'cause I'm thinking
we're waiting for Jeff
1336
01:05:17,209 --> 01:05:20,459
to get there to talk about
the real business.
1337
01:05:20,542 --> 01:05:23,042
♪ ♪
1338
01:05:23,125 --> 01:05:26,083
And then Jill
pulls out her badge.
1339
01:05:26,918 --> 01:05:30,000
She goes, "Christian,
I'm a undercover FBI agent,
1340
01:05:30,083 --> 01:05:32,292
and you can save yourself."
1341
01:05:32,375 --> 01:05:33,500
And I'm looking at her like,
1342
01:05:33,584 --> 01:05:34,918
"What the fuck
are you talking about?"
1343
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:36,083
So I start laughing.
1344
01:05:37,500 --> 01:05:39,709
She's like--like,
shaking her head like,
1345
01:05:39,792 --> 01:05:41,834
"No, I'm serious,"
like, "This is real."
1346
01:05:41,918 --> 01:05:44,959
I just said to her, like,
"Yo, you gotta be shitting me.
1347
01:05:45,042 --> 01:05:47,375
You're fucking lying."
1348
01:05:47,459 --> 01:05:48,959
At this point, in my head,
1349
01:05:49,042 --> 01:05:51,834
I go back to thinking about
the whole,
1350
01:05:51,918 --> 01:05:53,459
"This must be some
Uber-gate shit."
1351
01:05:53,542 --> 01:05:55,459
I'm, like,
trying to say to them,
1352
01:05:55,542 --> 01:05:58,584
"Listen,
the Uber thing wasn't me."
1353
01:05:58,667 --> 01:05:59,751
They're like, "No, we already--
1354
01:05:59,834 --> 01:06:01,459
Uber is the least
of our concerns."
1355
01:06:01,542 --> 01:06:03,459
"We already know
what the deal is there.
1356
01:06:03,542 --> 01:06:05,125
That's not
what we're here for."
1357
01:06:05,209 --> 01:06:06,417
So I'm looking at them like,
1358
01:06:06,500 --> 01:06:08,500
"What the fuck
are we here for then?"
1359
01:06:08,584 --> 01:06:11,500
And they said, "You've done
a lot of shit that's illegal."
1360
01:06:11,584 --> 01:06:12,876
And then I'm like,
"I don't even--"
1361
01:06:12,959 --> 01:06:14,375
I basically was like,
"I don't even fucking believe
1362
01:06:14,459 --> 01:06:15,417
this is real."
1363
01:06:15,500 --> 01:06:17,292
It was a white guy
and a black guy and Jill.
1364
01:06:17,375 --> 01:06:20,042
The white guys
pulls out a computer...
1365
01:06:20,125 --> 01:06:22,584
and then he starts playing
phone calls of me.
1366
01:06:34,167 --> 01:06:35,834
This is the fucking FBI.
1367
01:06:37,459 --> 01:06:39,918
So I was like, "Okay, wha--
what y'all want?"
1368
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:41,292
That's when Jill was like,
1369
01:06:41,375 --> 01:06:44,334
"Give us Rick Pitino
and Andy Miller,
1370
01:06:44,417 --> 01:06:47,918
and we'll--you'll be fine."
1371
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:50,959
[foreboding music]
1372
01:06:51,042 --> 01:06:53,626
I had multiple phones
at the time.
1373
01:06:53,709 --> 01:06:54,751
On one of my phones,
1374
01:06:54,834 --> 01:06:56,417
Sean Miller happened
to be calling me.
1375
01:06:58,125 --> 01:07:01,334
When my phone rings,
their phone rings.
1376
01:07:01,417 --> 01:07:04,292
Like, that shit was, like,
duplicated, basically.
1377
01:07:04,375 --> 01:07:06,125
And I'm like, "Oh, shit.
1378
01:07:06,209 --> 01:07:09,083
This is--
can't be a coincidence."
1379
01:07:09,167 --> 01:07:11,834
They have my--like, my phone
is their phone, basically.
1380
01:07:13,125 --> 01:07:15,042
This shit is crazy.
1381
01:07:15,125 --> 01:07:18,876
And I said to them--I said,
"Okay, I'ma work with y'all."
1382
01:07:18,959 --> 01:07:21,375
I'm thinking I can say that
and just leave out the room.
1383
01:07:21,459 --> 01:07:22,667
I'm stupid.
1384
01:07:22,751 --> 01:07:27,292
I basically tried to give them
Marty Blazer, people like that.
1385
01:07:27,375 --> 01:07:29,000
I'm like,
"I'll give you information
1386
01:07:29,083 --> 01:07:30,500
on how I feel about them."
1387
01:07:30,584 --> 01:07:33,125
They was like, "We already know
that you don't like Marty.
1388
01:07:33,209 --> 01:07:35,125
That doesn't count.
It doesn't work."
1389
01:07:35,209 --> 01:07:36,792
And then, "We want the--
we want people like Rick
1390
01:07:36,876 --> 01:07:38,584
and Andy and Sean Miller."
1391
01:07:38,667 --> 01:07:40,626
At that point,
I start to stand up
1392
01:07:40,709 --> 01:07:41,834
'cause I needed
a fucking deep breath
1393
01:07:41,918 --> 01:07:42,834
'cause I'm like,
"This is really real.
1394
01:07:42,918 --> 01:07:45,751
They're going
to really try this shit."
1395
01:07:45,834 --> 01:07:48,417
And so I said to them--
I stood up.
1396
01:07:48,500 --> 01:07:49,751
I said, like,
"What's gonna happen?"
1397
01:07:49,834 --> 01:07:52,083
I said, "I ca--I'm not gonna
actually go to jail
1398
01:07:52,167 --> 01:07:53,167
or anything like that."
1399
01:07:53,250 --> 01:07:54,584
And they're like,
"Well, who's to say?
1400
01:07:54,667 --> 01:07:56,417
It's not up to us.
It's up to the judge."
1401
01:07:56,500 --> 01:07:58,292
After that, I'm like,
"Oh, shit."
1402
01:07:58,375 --> 01:07:59,542
That's when I got, like, hot,
1403
01:07:59,626 --> 01:08:01,417
and fucking taking
my shirt off.
1404
01:08:01,500 --> 01:08:03,751
I was just so, like, hot.
1405
01:08:03,834 --> 01:08:05,542
I don't know how
to really describe it,
1406
01:08:05,626 --> 01:08:08,125
but I was like--
it was overwhelming.
1407
01:08:08,209 --> 01:08:09,500
Basically,
by the end of the meeting,
1408
01:08:09,584 --> 01:08:11,209
I'm in there
like a R&B singer,
1409
01:08:11,292 --> 01:08:13,959
like, shirt off
and just some jeans on.
1410
01:08:14,042 --> 01:08:15,459
[dramatic music]
1411
01:08:15,542 --> 01:08:16,667
And they were like,
"Listen, Christian,
1412
01:08:16,751 --> 01:08:17,876
"you gotta make a decision.
1413
01:08:17,959 --> 01:08:18,876
"If you gonna be with us,
1414
01:08:18,959 --> 01:08:20,125
"you need to start wearing
a wire now
1415
01:08:20,209 --> 01:08:21,209
"and start calling people now.
1416
01:08:21,292 --> 01:08:22,500
"We're gonna be here
all night.
1417
01:08:22,584 --> 01:08:25,042
You're either in or you out,
or you can get a lawyer."
1418
01:08:25,125 --> 01:08:26,834
So I said to them
I needed to get a lawyer.
1419
01:08:26,918 --> 01:08:28,834
And as soon as I said
I needed to get a lawyer...
1420
01:08:30,709 --> 01:08:32,959
The doors of the suite
just burst open.
1421
01:08:33,042 --> 01:08:35,751
[ominous music]
1422
01:08:35,834 --> 01:08:38,334
The team that they send
to arrest criminals
1423
01:08:38,417 --> 01:08:40,125
that you would see on TV
1424
01:08:40,209 --> 01:08:43,459
or you seen in movies,
they all bust out the doors
1425
01:08:43,542 --> 01:08:44,834
and they've got real guns
pointed in my face.
1426
01:08:44,918 --> 01:08:46,125
At this point, I'm like,
1427
01:08:46,209 --> 01:08:47,584
"Well, they just gonna
fucking kill me," like,
1428
01:08:47,667 --> 01:08:49,751
"It's over.
I died 'cause of basketball."
1429
01:08:49,834 --> 01:08:52,709
It was multiple machine guns
in my face.
1430
01:08:52,792 --> 01:08:54,500
I just put my head down
'cause I'm like,
1431
01:08:54,584 --> 01:08:57,250
"You know, I don't wanna
see them shoot me."
1432
01:08:58,667 --> 01:09:00,042
I was beyond terrified
1433
01:09:00,125 --> 01:09:02,667
because I couldn't even
comprehend what was going on.
1434
01:09:02,751 --> 01:09:05,000
That morning,
I'm leaving Atlanta,
1435
01:09:05,083 --> 01:09:07,542
thinking that we're having
a company meeting.
1436
01:09:07,626 --> 01:09:10,876
That afternoon,
I have machine guns in my face.
1437
01:09:10,959 --> 01:09:14,167
At that point,
they put the handcuffs on me.
1438
01:09:14,250 --> 01:09:15,709
And from there,
they basically was like,
1439
01:09:15,792 --> 01:09:17,167
"Listen,
you can talk to your lawyer,
1440
01:09:17,250 --> 01:09:19,167
"and we can make
some kind of deal
1441
01:09:19,250 --> 01:09:21,000
and try to get you
out of this."
1442
01:09:21,083 --> 01:09:24,667
And at that point,
it kind of was what it was.
1443
01:09:24,751 --> 01:09:27,042
[unsettling music]
1444
01:09:27,125 --> 01:09:28,792
What happens next,
they was like,
1445
01:09:28,876 --> 01:09:31,709
"We gotta take you
closer to the courthouse,
1446
01:09:31,792 --> 01:09:33,876
"and it's gonna be--you gonna
be in a federal holding cell,
1447
01:09:33,959 --> 01:09:35,250
"where, like, you know,
some of the people
1448
01:09:35,334 --> 01:09:39,042
that are in lockdown and other
situations like that are at."
1449
01:09:39,125 --> 01:09:40,918
So I'm like, "Okay,
that doesn't sound good."
1450
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:47,959
♪ ♪
1451
01:09:50,417 --> 01:09:52,834
So when I--when I go through
the process
1452
01:09:52,918 --> 01:09:55,042
of getting registered,
basically,
1453
01:09:55,125 --> 01:09:57,751
I'm in a room by myself
because they're trying to get
1454
01:09:57,834 --> 01:10:00,042
my situation ready
in the cell.
1455
01:10:00,125 --> 01:10:02,918
And then they fingerprinted me
and did their whole thing,
1456
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:05,250
and then they take me
to the cell.
1457
01:10:06,626 --> 01:10:08,709
Where the cell was,
was, like, a long hallway.
1458
01:10:08,792 --> 01:10:11,042
When I went down--when I got
there, it was loud.
1459
01:10:11,125 --> 01:10:12,042
Like, you know, people were
1460
01:10:12,125 --> 01:10:14,000
talking and screaming
and shit.
1461
01:10:14,083 --> 01:10:18,000
[ominous string music]
1462
01:10:18,083 --> 01:10:20,083
So I'm like, "Okay,
this is gonna be fun."
1463
01:10:21,292 --> 01:10:22,792
They take me to the cell.
1464
01:10:22,876 --> 01:10:25,459
This is when I knew
shit was gonna be crazy, okay?
1465
01:10:25,542 --> 01:10:26,959
[chuckling]
Um...
1466
01:10:27,042 --> 01:10:29,292
The dude I'm in a cell with...
1467
01:10:30,709 --> 01:10:33,834
The last thing I heard him say
to the guard,
1468
01:10:33,918 --> 01:10:35,459
"I'ma fucking kill you."
1469
01:10:35,542 --> 01:10:36,751
So in my head--
1470
01:10:36,834 --> 01:10:38,751
again, I've never been
in no situation like this.
1471
01:10:38,834 --> 01:10:40,751
I'm like, "If he gonna
fucking kill the guard,
1472
01:10:40,834 --> 01:10:43,042
"I'm--this shit is over with
for me.
1473
01:10:43,125 --> 01:10:44,792
I might as well
cancel Christmas."
1474
01:10:44,876 --> 01:10:46,542
[uneasy music]
1475
01:10:46,626 --> 01:10:49,417
I'm like, "I'm just
not gonna say nothing."
1476
01:10:49,500 --> 01:10:52,834
Maybe, like, a hour go by
of me just being quiet...
1477
01:10:52,918 --> 01:10:54,584
and eventually, he goes,
1478
01:10:54,667 --> 01:10:57,000
"What are you here for?"
1479
01:10:57,083 --> 01:10:59,375
[sighs]
So I told him.
1480
01:10:59,459 --> 01:11:01,792
He's like, "Yeah, no,
you here for something else.
1481
01:11:01,876 --> 01:11:03,834
"They didn't fucking
put you in here or arrest you
1482
01:11:03,918 --> 01:11:05,834
for paying
some basketball players."
1483
01:11:05,918 --> 01:11:07,250
I'm like, "I swear, bro."
1484
01:11:08,834 --> 01:11:10,375
I'm a curious person,
1485
01:11:10,459 --> 01:11:12,834
so I started to have
questions,
1486
01:11:12,918 --> 01:11:14,167
and I was like, you know,
1487
01:11:14,250 --> 01:11:15,667
"Who are some of the people
that's around?"
1488
01:11:15,751 --> 01:11:18,125
And then he was like,
"El Chapo's upstairs."
1489
01:11:18,209 --> 01:11:19,918
"What?"
1490
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:21,626
And I'm thinking,
"Okay, how could I be
1491
01:11:21,709 --> 01:11:24,209
in the same vicinity
as El Chapo?"
1492
01:11:24,292 --> 01:11:27,292
This cannot be real life
right now.
1493
01:11:27,375 --> 01:11:29,542
No disrespect to El Chapo
and what they got going on,
1494
01:11:29,626 --> 01:11:31,292
but now I gotta get
the fuck out of here.
1495
01:11:31,375 --> 01:11:33,584
[solemn music]
1496
01:11:33,667 --> 01:11:36,167
And then maybe around
5:00 that morning,
1497
01:11:36,250 --> 01:11:37,959
they came to pick me up,
1498
01:11:38,042 --> 01:11:41,209
and I end up waiting
with the agents
1499
01:11:41,292 --> 01:11:44,876
to see the judge
to do arraignment.
1500
01:11:46,459 --> 01:11:47,667
- No.
1501
01:11:47,751 --> 01:11:50,042
Dude, this was some
third-world shit.
1502
01:11:50,125 --> 01:11:51,459
No phone call.
1503
01:11:51,542 --> 01:11:54,000
They did--I didn't even get
offered to get a phone call.
1504
01:11:55,626 --> 01:11:57,542
- When I got out, they--
I called--
1505
01:11:57,626 --> 01:11:58,834
I had a public defender
1506
01:11:58,918 --> 01:12:00,334
'cause I couldn't talk
to any lawyer.
1507
01:12:00,417 --> 01:12:01,667
So I had a public defender.
1508
01:12:01,751 --> 01:12:03,167
And when I got out,
I asked her.
1509
01:12:03,250 --> 01:12:05,042
I used her phone to, one,
1510
01:12:05,125 --> 01:12:09,209
see who else got arrested,
and, two, call my mom.
1511
01:12:09,292 --> 01:12:11,167
- Hailee,
um, that's my daughter.
1512
01:12:11,250 --> 01:12:14,876
She said, "Mommy,
Christian's on the phone.
1513
01:12:14,959 --> 01:12:17,000
He can talk to you."
1514
01:12:17,083 --> 01:12:20,167
- The call to my mom
was the first time I had cried,
1515
01:12:20,250 --> 01:12:22,626
and the reason why
I cried was because
1516
01:12:22,709 --> 01:12:27,250
my sister was on the phone too,
and my sister can make me cry.
1517
01:12:27,334 --> 01:12:31,584
And my mom basically is like,
1518
01:12:31,667 --> 01:12:33,459
"Stop fucking crying."
1519
01:12:33,542 --> 01:12:36,876
- So I told him, I said,
"Hey, Christian."
1520
01:12:36,959 --> 01:12:39,083
Um, "Did you kill someone?"
1521
01:12:39,167 --> 01:12:41,209
- "Did you hurt somebody?"
"No."
1522
01:12:41,292 --> 01:12:43,209
- And I said,
"Did you rape someone?"
1523
01:12:43,292 --> 01:12:44,250
He said, "No."
1524
01:12:44,334 --> 01:12:46,542
- "Did you do anything
to anybody?"
1525
01:12:46,626 --> 01:12:47,709
"No."
1526
01:12:47,792 --> 01:12:50,375
- "Did you steal from someone?"
- "No."
1527
01:12:50,459 --> 01:12:53,250
- I said, "Excuse my language.
1528
01:12:53,334 --> 01:12:56,542
Suck it the fuck up
and you're coming home."
1529
01:12:56,626 --> 01:12:58,584
- "Don't let nobody see you
crying in here,
1530
01:12:58,667 --> 01:13:00,626
"go in there
in front of that judge,
1531
01:13:00,709 --> 01:13:03,834
plead not guilty,
and come home."
1532
01:13:03,918 --> 01:13:05,918
- And we hung up,
1533
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:08,167
and he was home
later on that night.
1534
01:13:08,250 --> 01:13:11,250
[camera shutters clicking]
1535
01:13:22,125 --> 01:13:24,375
- Good afternoon.
My name is Joon Kim.
1536
01:13:24,459 --> 01:13:26,000
I'm the acting
United States attorney
1537
01:13:26,083 --> 01:13:28,250
for the Southern District
of New York.
1538
01:13:28,334 --> 01:13:32,500
Today, we announce charges
of fraud and corruption
1539
01:13:32,584 --> 01:13:34,751
in the world of
college basketball.
1540
01:13:34,834 --> 01:13:36,292
- I learned Christian
was arrested.
1541
01:13:36,375 --> 01:13:37,792
I was sitting in my office,
1542
01:13:37,876 --> 01:13:41,792
and I get a phone call
from Christian's father.
1543
01:13:41,876 --> 01:13:43,876
And he's just screaming
in the phone,
1544
01:13:43,959 --> 01:13:46,834
"Turn on ESPN!
You're not gonna believe it."
1545
01:13:46,918 --> 01:13:49,167
And I've known Lou
for a long time,
1546
01:13:49,250 --> 01:13:51,959
and I've never heard Lou
in such a state of panic.
1547
01:13:52,042 --> 01:13:53,834
So I turned on ESPN.
1548
01:13:53,918 --> 01:13:55,209
I was watching
the press conference,
1549
01:13:55,292 --> 01:13:58,918
and I saw the diagram
and I see Christian's name.
1550
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:00,167
And I didn't even know
at that point
1551
01:14:00,250 --> 01:14:01,834
what it was about.
1552
01:14:01,918 --> 01:14:05,125
- Coaches at some
of the nation's top programs
1553
01:14:05,209 --> 01:14:08,334
soliciting and accepting
cash bribes.
1554
01:14:08,417 --> 01:14:11,667
Managers and financial advisors
1555
01:14:11,751 --> 01:14:14,292
circling blue-chip prospects
like coyotes.
1556
01:14:14,375 --> 01:14:17,042
Dawkins was
an athlete recruiter
1557
01:14:17,125 --> 01:14:19,334
for a sports agency
1558
01:14:19,417 --> 01:14:20,792
who was trying
to start his own
1559
01:14:20,876 --> 01:14:22,500
sports management business.
1560
01:14:22,584 --> 01:14:23,709
- You know, at the time,
1561
01:14:23,792 --> 01:14:26,125
the press conference
was pretty impressive.
1562
01:14:26,209 --> 01:14:27,375
You know,
I was thinking, "Wow.
1563
01:14:27,459 --> 01:14:28,542
"They're gonna
do something here.
1564
01:14:28,626 --> 01:14:31,042
They're gonna--they're gonna
really get some people."
1565
01:14:31,125 --> 01:14:33,334
- The madness of
college basketball
1566
01:14:33,417 --> 01:14:35,834
went well beyond
the big dance in March.
1567
01:14:35,918 --> 01:14:38,250
Month after month,
1568
01:14:38,334 --> 01:14:41,167
the defendants exploited
the hoop dreams
1569
01:14:41,250 --> 01:14:43,542
of student-athletes
around the country,
1570
01:14:43,626 --> 01:14:46,792
allegedly treating them
as little more
1571
01:14:46,876 --> 01:14:49,334
than opportunities
to enrich themselves
1572
01:14:49,417 --> 01:14:52,167
through bribery
and fraud schemes.
1573
01:14:52,250 --> 01:14:53,375
- First time I heard about it
was, like,
1574
01:14:53,459 --> 01:14:55,375
a quiet September morning.
1575
01:14:55,459 --> 01:14:57,834
Southern District of New York
announces
1576
01:14:57,918 --> 01:15:00,292
the arrest of ten men,
1577
01:15:00,375 --> 01:15:03,834
including four active college
basketball coaches
1578
01:15:03,918 --> 01:15:06,876
for bribery and fraud,
1579
01:15:06,959 --> 01:15:09,542
and that was a bombshell.
1580
01:15:09,626 --> 01:15:12,042
- After I was arrested,
Book Richardson was arrested,
1581
01:15:12,125 --> 01:15:14,584
Lamont Evans was arrested,
Tony Bland was arrested,
1582
01:15:14,667 --> 01:15:17,626
Merl Code was arrested,
Jim Gatto was arrested,
1583
01:15:17,709 --> 01:15:19,292
Munish Sood was arrested.
1584
01:15:19,375 --> 01:15:22,250
I mean, ran up in they house,
kicked they doors down.
1585
01:15:22,334 --> 01:15:25,459
Someone was in the shower,
pulled them out the shower,
1586
01:15:25,542 --> 01:15:26,626
you know, arrested them
1587
01:15:26,709 --> 01:15:28,167
in front of they kids,
they family.
1588
01:15:28,250 --> 01:15:30,709
- And so you said,
"How big could this get
1589
01:15:30,792 --> 01:15:32,083
if this is what they're doing?"
1590
01:15:32,167 --> 01:15:34,209
- The FBI is charging
ten people
1591
01:15:34,292 --> 01:15:37,167
with fraud and corruption
in college basketball.
1592
01:15:37,250 --> 01:15:39,209
- Well, this extensive
FBI investigation
1593
01:15:39,292 --> 01:15:41,584
might as well be
right out of a movie:
1594
01:15:41,667 --> 01:15:44,417
wiretaps, undercover agents,
and informants.
1595
01:15:44,500 --> 01:15:46,250
- The FBI is involved,
1596
01:15:46,334 --> 01:15:47,918
and they're going after
everybody.
1597
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:49,125
- I think it'll be
the biggest scandal
1598
01:15:49,209 --> 01:15:50,584
in the history
of college basketball.
1599
01:15:50,667 --> 01:15:51,792
It could be one of
the biggest scandals
1600
01:15:51,876 --> 01:15:53,626
we've ever seen in sports.
1601
01:15:53,709 --> 01:15:56,292
- You know, probably
the one thing I remember
1602
01:15:56,375 --> 01:15:58,792
from the press conference
more than anything was,
1603
01:15:58,876 --> 01:16:00,125
"We got your playbook."
1604
01:16:00,209 --> 01:16:03,083
- Today's arrests should serve
as a warning to others
1605
01:16:03,167 --> 01:16:04,667
choosing to conduct business
this way
1606
01:16:04,751 --> 01:16:06,709
in the world
of college athletics.
1607
01:16:06,792 --> 01:16:08,542
We have your playbook.
1608
01:16:08,626 --> 01:16:10,918
- I knew having been
a prosecutor,
1609
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:12,709
you're not gonna make
a statement like that
1610
01:16:12,792 --> 01:16:15,500
unless you probably got
something to back it up.
1611
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:18,083
- I mean, the Southern
District of New York
1612
01:16:18,167 --> 01:16:20,792
is known for, you know,
bringing the high pro--
1613
01:16:20,876 --> 01:16:22,792
highest profile cases
that exist in America.
1614
01:16:22,876 --> 01:16:24,292
They don't--they don't
charge anything
1615
01:16:24,375 --> 01:16:26,083
unless politically,
1616
01:16:26,167 --> 01:16:28,459
they're gonna make
an example of somebody.
1617
01:16:28,542 --> 01:16:30,042
- You know, the Southern
District of New York,
1618
01:16:30,125 --> 01:16:32,292
they call themselves--
or the joke is that they're,
1619
01:16:32,375 --> 01:16:34,167
"the Sovereign District
of New York," you know?
1620
01:16:34,250 --> 01:16:37,209
Even if cases aren't
specifically in Manhattan,
1621
01:16:37,292 --> 01:16:39,667
they sort of see the world
as their canvas.
1622
01:16:39,751 --> 01:16:41,334
- They don't lose.
1623
01:16:41,417 --> 01:16:43,417
They don't make mistakes.
1624
01:16:43,500 --> 01:16:45,834
These are very,
very smart people.
1625
01:16:45,918 --> 01:16:49,000
- They wanted to make
an example of what
1626
01:16:49,083 --> 01:16:51,000
they thought was the problem
with college basketball.
1627
01:16:51,083 --> 01:16:53,292
- Christian was--was portrayed
1628
01:16:53,375 --> 01:16:55,626
as sort of the centerpiece
of this whole thing.
1629
01:16:55,709 --> 01:16:58,876
He was the one they went after
as, "Here's our kingpin."
1630
01:16:58,959 --> 01:17:00,626
- He was somebody
that the government
1631
01:17:00,709 --> 01:17:02,250
could point a finger at
and say, "See?
1632
01:17:02,334 --> 01:17:03,751
"That's what
we're talking about.
1633
01:17:03,834 --> 01:17:06,292
"This is what's wrong
with college basketball--
1634
01:17:06,375 --> 01:17:08,626
that guy, Christian Dawkins."
1635
01:17:08,709 --> 01:17:10,167
- It's kind of crazy when
you think of it like that,
1636
01:17:10,250 --> 01:17:13,000
like, everything
was centered around me
1637
01:17:13,083 --> 01:17:15,083
like I invented all this shit.
1638
01:17:15,167 --> 01:17:18,083
The paying players has been
going on for a hundred years.
1639
01:17:18,167 --> 01:17:19,375
Okay?
1640
01:17:19,459 --> 01:17:21,375
So that's not something
that's brand new.
1641
01:17:21,459 --> 01:17:24,167
- Anybody who knows anything
about college basketball
1642
01:17:24,250 --> 01:17:27,584
or this world knows if they are
gonna arrest four guys,
1643
01:17:27,667 --> 01:17:31,000
they could arrest 40,
they could arrest 80.
1644
01:17:31,083 --> 01:17:34,000
If you have
the right middle person,
1645
01:17:34,083 --> 01:17:36,709
the right AAU coach,
the right runner,
1646
01:17:36,792 --> 01:17:40,000
the right whatever who says,
"I'll tell you everything,
1647
01:17:40,083 --> 01:17:42,000
"and I'll make a plea deal
1648
01:17:42,083 --> 01:17:45,000
that can implicate
who knows how many people."
1649
01:17:45,083 --> 01:17:47,042
[soft dramatic music]
1650
01:17:47,125 --> 01:17:51,000
- My initial conversation with
the U.S. Attorney's office
1651
01:17:51,083 --> 01:17:54,918
was about Rick Pitino,
specifically.
1652
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:57,292
- Rick's name--
when they arrested me,
1653
01:17:57,375 --> 01:18:00,250
they said to me very clearly
in no uncertain terms,
1654
01:18:00,334 --> 01:18:02,250
"We want you to give us
Rick Pitino."
1655
01:18:02,334 --> 01:18:04,792
They gave me the opportunity
to work with them,
1656
01:18:04,876 --> 01:18:07,959
wear a wire, fucking not have
to go to prison,
1657
01:18:08,042 --> 01:18:09,292
no--not even be charged,
1658
01:18:09,375 --> 01:18:13,083
and just give them
Pitino and Andy.
1659
01:18:13,167 --> 01:18:18,542
- Their interest
in Christian cooperating was...
1660
01:18:18,626 --> 01:18:20,709
Tha--I think was
the whole plan
1661
01:18:20,792 --> 01:18:22,500
of how they were gonna
bring things down
1662
01:18:22,584 --> 01:18:24,834
and how this case
was gonna blow up into
1663
01:18:24,918 --> 01:18:27,334
what they professed it would be
at the press conference.
1664
01:18:30,167 --> 01:18:31,334
- We're pretty confident.
1665
01:18:31,417 --> 01:18:32,918
- You know, my understanding
of the conviction rate
1666
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:34,375
with the Southern District
of New York is,
1667
01:18:34,459 --> 01:18:36,959
you know, 95 to 97%.
1668
01:18:37,042 --> 01:18:39,042
- I was fully prepared
to fight.
1669
01:18:39,125 --> 01:18:42,292
We admitted from day one,
we did--we paid the players.
1670
01:18:42,375 --> 01:18:43,834
There's no point
in hiding that.
1671
01:18:43,918 --> 01:18:45,375
It's not illegal.
1672
01:18:45,459 --> 01:18:47,959
There's no law in the world
that says
1673
01:18:48,042 --> 01:18:51,375
breaking a NCAA rule
is a federal felony.
1674
01:18:51,459 --> 01:18:52,667
There's no law that says that.
1675
01:18:52,751 --> 01:18:55,250
They twisted the law
to make it fit.
1676
01:18:55,334 --> 01:18:57,083
- When Christian refused
to cooperate,
1677
01:18:57,167 --> 01:18:59,834
they became laser-focused
on punishing him.
1678
01:19:00,834 --> 01:19:03,584
[menacing music]
1679
01:19:03,667 --> 01:19:05,584
- I was charged
with wire fraud,
1680
01:19:05,667 --> 01:19:07,000
honest services fraud,
1681
01:19:07,083 --> 01:19:08,751
conspiracy to commit
wire fraud.
1682
01:19:08,834 --> 01:19:09,918
I think we had
money laundering
1683
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:11,751
at one point on there.
1684
01:19:11,834 --> 01:19:14,626
I was charged with bribery.
Dude, it was so much shit.
1685
01:19:14,709 --> 01:19:17,292
My maximum sentence
was 200 years.
1686
01:19:17,375 --> 01:19:19,876
I was like, "Yeah, no,
this can't be real."
1687
01:19:23,626 --> 01:19:26,709
- [chuckles]
I'll put it like this.
1688
01:19:26,792 --> 01:19:28,792
After we were charged,
I go to the ATM.
1689
01:19:28,876 --> 01:19:32,083
I put my ATM card
in the machine, and it ate it.
1690
01:19:33,876 --> 01:19:35,709
Fucking card
didn't come back out.
1691
01:19:35,792 --> 01:19:37,417
I never seen nothing
like that before.
1692
01:19:37,500 --> 01:19:39,000
So that's really
what I got by with,
1693
01:19:39,083 --> 01:19:40,459
was money I just had
around my house.
1694
01:19:40,542 --> 01:19:42,959
All my bank accounts
were irrelevant.
1695
01:19:43,042 --> 01:19:45,459
I had, you know, at home,
1696
01:19:45,542 --> 01:19:48,209
close to 90,000.
1697
01:19:50,667 --> 01:19:53,542
- Yeah, I had saved up money.
1698
01:19:53,626 --> 01:19:56,584
[laughing]
1699
01:19:57,918 --> 01:20:00,083
I had some money saved,
1700
01:20:00,167 --> 01:20:01,626
and luckily, I did.
1701
01:20:01,709 --> 01:20:02,584
If I didn't have that,
1702
01:20:02,667 --> 01:20:04,209
I would have been
fucking screwed.
1703
01:20:05,709 --> 01:20:08,459
- All of it--most of
that money was FBI money.
1704
01:20:08,542 --> 01:20:10,375
If it wasn't for them
having that dumbass idea
1705
01:20:10,459 --> 01:20:12,375
to pay coaches,
I wouldn't have any money
1706
01:20:12,459 --> 01:20:14,083
to pay my attorneys
and to live off of.
1707
01:20:14,167 --> 01:20:15,542
I would have had nothing.
1708
01:20:15,626 --> 01:20:18,334
[soft dramatic music]
1709
01:20:18,417 --> 01:20:19,709
- As I'm looking at this
evidence with Christian,
1710
01:20:19,792 --> 01:20:23,125
it's very difficult to do
because there's so much of it.
1711
01:20:23,209 --> 01:20:26,834
So I learned then that
they had wiretapped his phone,
1712
01:20:26,918 --> 01:20:28,000
not for, like, a day...
1713
01:20:28,083 --> 01:20:30,167
[laughs]
For, like, three months.
1714
01:20:30,250 --> 01:20:31,459
So I said to Christian,
1715
01:20:31,542 --> 01:20:33,667
"Would you be concerned
about anything
1716
01:20:33,751 --> 01:20:36,000
"that they would hear you
talking about on your phone
1717
01:20:36,083 --> 01:20:37,167
"for the periods of time
1718
01:20:37,250 --> 01:20:40,751
of June 2017
through September?"
1719
01:20:40,834 --> 01:20:43,584
And he said, "If they got
my phone, I'm fucked."
1720
01:20:43,667 --> 01:20:45,000
[laughs]
1721
01:20:45,083 --> 01:20:46,918
You know, so at that point,
1722
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:49,751
I realized this was probably
gonna be a tough case.
1723
01:20:51,334 --> 01:20:53,626
You know, we made a decision
that no matter how painful,
1724
01:20:53,709 --> 01:20:56,751
no matter how expensive,
we were gonna have a trial,
1725
01:20:56,834 --> 01:21:00,042
two of them, if necessary,
and we did.
1726
01:21:00,125 --> 01:21:05,083
♪ ♪
1727
01:21:05,167 --> 01:21:09,584
- The first trial was
for defrauding universities.
1728
01:21:09,667 --> 01:21:10,751
It was a fraud trial.
1729
01:21:10,834 --> 01:21:13,709
- It was a two-count
wire fraud case,
1730
01:21:13,792 --> 01:21:16,375
and it was honest--
honest services as well,
1731
01:21:16,459 --> 01:21:20,792
um, that the schools were
victimized by the conduct.
1732
01:21:20,876 --> 01:21:24,584
And Louisville
was professed to be
1733
01:21:24,667 --> 01:21:26,209
the, uh--the victim
in that case.
1734
01:21:26,292 --> 01:21:29,083
- Codefendants in that case
were Merl Code and Jim Gatto.
1735
01:21:30,542 --> 01:21:31,500
Jim Gatto was the person
1736
01:21:31,584 --> 01:21:34,083
who did the deals
for NBA players with Adidas.
1737
01:21:34,167 --> 01:21:36,125
Jim Gatto was
Merl Code's boss.
1738
01:21:36,209 --> 01:21:38,000
Jim Gatto's
a unbelievable person,
1739
01:21:38,083 --> 01:21:39,792
obviously,
was loyal to Adidas,
1740
01:21:39,876 --> 01:21:41,918
had been at Adidas
for 20-something years,
1741
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:44,250
and was trying to help
one of his flagship schools.
1742
01:21:44,334 --> 01:21:46,125
- The first case
was a slam dunk,
1743
01:21:46,209 --> 01:21:47,834
factual case
for the government.
1744
01:21:47,918 --> 01:21:49,876
There was no way
we could defend factually
1745
01:21:49,959 --> 01:21:52,125
what happened
with Christian Dawkins
1746
01:21:52,209 --> 01:21:53,375
and Bowen family.
1747
01:21:55,083 --> 01:21:57,417
- I had a relationship
with Brian Bowen Jr.
1748
01:21:57,500 --> 01:22:00,375
and his family dating back to
when he was in middle school.
1749
01:22:00,459 --> 01:22:03,918
He played for
my Dorian's Pride AAU Team.
1750
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:07,334
I was providing benefits,
or resources,
1751
01:22:07,417 --> 01:22:10,000
to the family off and on
1752
01:22:10,083 --> 01:22:12,292
from early
in his high school career.
1753
01:22:12,375 --> 01:22:16,334
Brian Bowen's father
100% made it very clear to me
1754
01:22:16,417 --> 01:22:19,334
he's not going to school
if he doesn't get paid.
1755
01:22:19,417 --> 01:22:21,042
And when he made the decision
to go to Louisville,
1756
01:22:21,125 --> 01:22:24,125
at that point, yes,
I did step in and try to,
1757
01:22:24,209 --> 01:22:29,083
um, create some level
of assistance.
1758
01:22:29,167 --> 01:22:32,292
The family's supposed
to receive $100,000.
1759
01:22:32,375 --> 01:22:36,709
- Brian Bowen's father,
under oath, federal court,
1760
01:22:36,792 --> 01:22:38,959
said, "Oklahoma State:
1761
01:22:39,042 --> 01:22:43,083
"150,000, car, a house.
1762
01:22:43,167 --> 01:22:46,167
Creighton: $100,000."
1763
01:22:46,250 --> 01:22:49,250
Oregon was
a astronomical number.
1764
01:22:49,334 --> 01:22:51,542
Arizona--hundreds--tens,
1765
01:22:51,626 --> 01:22:53,000
hundreds,
thousand dollars out there.
1766
01:22:53,083 --> 01:22:54,000
Some of these schools
aren't even
1767
01:22:54,083 --> 01:22:55,500
big-time basketball programs.
1768
01:22:55,584 --> 01:22:57,042
Creighton...
1769
01:22:58,417 --> 01:22:59,792
This is what
these kids are worth.
1770
01:22:59,876 --> 01:23:01,250
- The University
of Louisville's Rick Pitino,
1771
01:23:01,334 --> 01:23:03,876
one of the winningest coaches
in college basketball history,
1772
01:23:03,959 --> 01:23:07,042
effectively fired today
amid an FBI investigation
1773
01:23:07,125 --> 01:23:08,334
that has exposed
what looks like
1774
01:23:08,417 --> 01:23:10,918
the dark underbelly
of the NCAA.
1775
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:13,584
- The only reason why
the FBI even knows
1776
01:23:13,667 --> 01:23:16,667
or could prove anything
was because fucking...
1777
01:23:16,751 --> 01:23:18,250
Adidas was late on the money.
1778
01:23:18,334 --> 01:23:20,667
I had to figure out a way
to get the father
1779
01:23:20,751 --> 01:23:22,792
what was promised him.
1780
01:23:22,876 --> 01:23:26,042
And I went to Jeff D'Angelo,
1781
01:23:26,125 --> 01:23:28,250
and he was like,
"I'll put up the money."
1782
01:23:28,334 --> 01:23:30,584
And at that point, obviously,
that's FBI money.
1783
01:23:30,667 --> 01:23:32,918
They knew what was happening.
They had a paper trail.
1784
01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:34,792
And they wrapped everything
into it that way.
1785
01:23:45,417 --> 01:23:48,709
- If Adidas just does
the shit quicker
1786
01:23:48,792 --> 01:23:51,042
or if Brian Sr.
doesn't need the money
1787
01:23:51,125 --> 01:23:53,000
that bad at that time,
1788
01:23:53,083 --> 01:23:55,500
there's no way
they would have even known.
1789
01:23:55,584 --> 01:23:57,709
It just was a bunch
of bad luck.
1790
01:23:57,792 --> 01:24:00,918
- The defense never denied
that the money got paid out.
1791
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:02,876
- And there's no way
to deny that because
1792
01:24:02,959 --> 01:24:04,292
there were
cooperating witnesses
1793
01:24:04,375 --> 01:24:06,709
who actually made
the money transfer.
1794
01:24:06,792 --> 01:24:08,792
They gave the guy the money.
1795
01:24:08,876 --> 01:24:11,000
- Muni Sood cooperated
with the government,
1796
01:24:11,083 --> 01:24:12,959
provided testimony
against Christian Dawkins
1797
01:24:13,042 --> 01:24:15,334
and Merl Code.
1798
01:24:15,417 --> 01:24:18,000
- They call back the verdict.
1799
01:24:18,083 --> 01:24:19,542
We lose.
1800
01:24:23,250 --> 01:24:26,167
[solemn music]
1801
01:24:26,250 --> 01:24:28,792
- He got six months,
was the sentence,
1802
01:24:28,876 --> 01:24:30,584
which we appealed,
1803
01:24:30,667 --> 01:24:33,250
which allowed him
to be out on an appeal bond,
1804
01:24:33,334 --> 01:24:35,751
awaiting a decision
to see if we have a right
1805
01:24:35,834 --> 01:24:38,083
to a new trial because
it was such a unique case
1806
01:24:38,167 --> 01:24:40,083
that had never been
really tried before
1807
01:24:40,167 --> 01:24:41,209
in the history of the country.
1808
01:24:41,292 --> 01:24:42,667
- A legal precedent
has been set.
1809
01:24:42,751 --> 01:24:44,792
In theory, they're saying,
1810
01:24:44,876 --> 01:24:48,250
"If you cause an athlete
to no longer be eligible
1811
01:24:48,334 --> 01:24:51,292
for his scholarship,
you've defrauded a school,"
1812
01:24:51,375 --> 01:24:53,834
which is a felony now,
a federal felony.
1813
01:24:53,918 --> 01:24:56,667
Now that could mean any booster
1814
01:24:56,751 --> 01:24:59,459
that gives any money
to an athlete.
1815
01:24:59,542 --> 01:25:02,667
That could be
the local pizza shop,
1816
01:25:02,751 --> 01:25:05,000
when the kid comes in
and he's the star quarterback,
1817
01:25:05,083 --> 01:25:06,709
and say,
"Here's a free slice of pizza."
1818
01:25:06,792 --> 01:25:08,626
You've now made
these players ineligible.
1819
01:25:08,709 --> 01:25:12,292
Have you just defrauded
this massive university?
1820
01:25:12,375 --> 01:25:13,667
I don't know.
1821
01:25:13,751 --> 01:25:16,584
- If was giving that same money
to a professional player,
1822
01:25:16,667 --> 01:25:18,292
it's totally fine.
1823
01:25:18,375 --> 01:25:19,959
But if I was giving that money
to someone
1824
01:25:20,042 --> 01:25:21,292
who was in high school,
1825
01:25:21,375 --> 01:25:23,751
who just didn't
go to college,
1826
01:25:23,834 --> 01:25:25,250
who just was like,
"I'm not going to the NCAA.
1827
01:25:25,334 --> 01:25:27,626
I'ma go to the D-League,"
it's totally fine.
1828
01:25:27,709 --> 01:25:29,834
But just because someone wants
to play basketball in college,
1829
01:25:29,918 --> 01:25:31,334
it's wire fraud?
1830
01:25:31,417 --> 01:25:33,667
It does--that doesn't even
make common sense to me.
1831
01:25:33,751 --> 01:25:36,918
- But it's also crazy
when Louisville
1832
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:39,209
pretty undeniably
is one of the dirtiest,
1833
01:25:39,292 --> 01:25:41,167
most noncompliant schools
1834
01:25:41,250 --> 01:25:43,375
in the history
of college basketball.
1835
01:25:43,459 --> 01:25:46,209
- Yeah, this was not
Louisville's first
1836
01:25:46,292 --> 01:25:49,042
NCAA infractions rodeo.
1837
01:25:49,125 --> 01:25:52,334
They've been down this path
a few times.
1838
01:25:52,417 --> 01:25:54,834
- I am beyond pissed off
that government
1839
01:25:54,918 --> 01:25:59,375
is implying that
we victimized a university,
1840
01:25:59,459 --> 01:26:00,500
and in my particular case,
1841
01:26:00,584 --> 01:26:03,667
a university that just
had came off of a...
1842
01:26:03,751 --> 01:26:06,876
whore scandal on campus.
1843
01:26:06,959 --> 01:26:09,334
- The University of Louisville
men's basketball team
1844
01:26:09,417 --> 01:26:11,167
isn't commenting
on allegations
1845
01:26:11,250 --> 01:26:14,751
that the team provided escorts
to have sex with recruits.
1846
01:26:14,834 --> 01:26:16,584
- Tina Powell says
she brought girls
1847
01:26:16,667 --> 01:26:18,250
to perform
at Billy Minardi Hall
1848
01:26:18,334 --> 01:26:22,083
22 times
between 2010 and 2014.
1849
01:26:22,167 --> 01:26:26,417
- That, obviously, is frowned
upon by the NCAA rule book.
1850
01:26:26,500 --> 01:26:28,459
- No one got fired.
1851
01:26:28,542 --> 01:26:30,876
Fuck charged and with felonies.
1852
01:26:30,959 --> 01:26:34,209
No one even got
a slap on the wrist.
1853
01:26:34,292 --> 01:26:36,500
Yeah, you take down
a national championship banner.
1854
01:26:36,584 --> 01:26:39,876
Okay, they still won
a national championship, bro.
1855
01:26:39,959 --> 01:26:42,125
If you can survive
a whore scandal,
1856
01:26:42,209 --> 01:26:43,626
you can survive anything.
1857
01:26:43,709 --> 01:26:45,125
If this was Cleveland State,
1858
01:26:45,209 --> 01:26:46,918
the fucking whole team
would be done.
1859
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:49,584
This was--if this was
Western Michigan,
1860
01:26:49,667 --> 01:26:51,667
the whole program
would be out of here.
1861
01:26:51,751 --> 01:26:53,542
And they would try to--
the NCAA would try to
1862
01:26:53,626 --> 01:26:56,000
save face by punishing
someone like that,
1863
01:26:56,083 --> 01:26:58,334
but they're not gonna
fucking punish the real schools
1864
01:26:58,417 --> 01:27:00,792
'cause they make too much money
off of them.
1865
01:27:00,876 --> 01:27:02,751
[soft piano music]
1866
01:27:02,834 --> 01:27:04,250
These are sponsorship deals
1867
01:27:04,334 --> 01:27:06,792
that the different
shoe companies have
1868
01:27:06,876 --> 01:27:08,459
with particular colleges.
1869
01:27:08,542 --> 01:27:10,542
You have UCLA
and Under Armour,
1870
01:27:10,626 --> 01:27:12,918
there's $280 million,
which is ridiculous.
1871
01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:15,667
Ohio State,
football school, mainly,
1872
01:27:15,751 --> 01:27:18,292
but also is a pretty big-time
basketball program.
1873
01:27:18,375 --> 01:27:21,542
They bringing in
$252 million with Nike.
1874
01:27:21,626 --> 01:27:22,792
Texas and Nike,
1875
01:27:22,876 --> 01:27:25,167
they're bringing in
$250 million.
1876
01:27:25,250 --> 01:27:26,876
Kansas and Adidas...
1877
01:27:26,959 --> 01:27:28,751
Kansas was, obviously,
one of the schools involved
1878
01:27:28,834 --> 01:27:32,542
in our trial who was allegedly
a victim of getting
1879
01:27:32,626 --> 01:27:34,375
really good players
from Adidas,
1880
01:27:34,459 --> 01:27:37,000
who was giving them
$191 million.
1881
01:27:37,083 --> 01:27:40,792
Michigan and Nike,
they're at $173 million.
1882
01:27:40,876 --> 01:27:42,834
And then you have Louisville.
1883
01:27:42,918 --> 01:27:45,042
Adidas gave Louisville
$160 million,
1884
01:27:45,125 --> 01:27:48,542
and we allegedly
defrauded them with Adidas
1885
01:27:48,626 --> 01:27:51,459
out of a scholarship valued--
I don't know--a couple--
1886
01:27:51,542 --> 01:27:53,459
I mean, a hundred grand or so.
1887
01:27:53,542 --> 01:27:56,167
So that's the crime
that we committed.
1888
01:27:56,250 --> 01:27:59,417
- Louisville takes
$165 million from Adidas
1889
01:27:59,500 --> 01:28:02,459
and then pretends
they don't work for Adidas.
1890
01:28:02,542 --> 01:28:06,250
Someone gives you $165 million,
you work for them.
1891
01:28:06,334 --> 01:28:08,083
That's how it is.
1892
01:28:08,167 --> 01:28:10,500
You know, you can't
possibly be the victim
1893
01:28:10,584 --> 01:28:13,167
of someone giving you
$165 million
1894
01:28:13,250 --> 01:28:16,250
and great basketball players
for your team.
1895
01:28:16,334 --> 01:28:18,959
[foreboding music]
1896
01:28:19,042 --> 01:28:22,417
- Second trial was derivative
of pretty much just bribery.
1897
01:28:22,500 --> 01:28:24,167
Everything derived
out of the bribery
1898
01:28:24,250 --> 01:28:27,125
of Christian giving
coaches money.
1899
01:28:27,209 --> 01:28:30,209
And the whole real premise
of that second case
1900
01:28:30,292 --> 01:28:33,375
was that by doing so,
the schools were victimized
1901
01:28:33,459 --> 01:28:37,751
by Christian and the coaches
for fraud, basically,
1902
01:28:37,834 --> 01:28:40,834
that the schools were harmed
as a result of that
1903
01:28:40,918 --> 01:28:43,000
interaction between
Christian and the coaches.
1904
01:28:43,083 --> 01:28:45,959
Our defense was a lot
of what the government
1905
01:28:46,042 --> 01:28:48,042
said happened did not happen,
1906
01:28:48,125 --> 01:28:50,834
and we believed
we had evidence of that.
1907
01:28:50,918 --> 01:28:55,250
♪ ♪
1908
01:28:55,334 --> 01:28:58,292
Chronologically,
we have these phone calls.
1909
01:28:58,375 --> 01:29:00,876
We started seeing
a different picture
1910
01:29:00,959 --> 01:29:04,083
that wasn't necessarily being
portrayed by the government.
1911
01:29:04,167 --> 01:29:06,626
And I call Christian up,
and I'm saying,
1912
01:29:06,709 --> 01:29:09,209
"Dude, is--
am I hearing this right?
1913
01:29:09,292 --> 01:29:11,167
"You literally told
the FBI agent,
1914
01:29:11,250 --> 01:29:13,083
"who you didn't know
was an FBI agent,
1915
01:29:13,167 --> 01:29:14,584
"that you wanted to take
the money
1916
01:29:14,667 --> 01:29:17,083
and not give it to the coaches,
but go get some hookers"?
1917
01:29:17,167 --> 01:29:18,459
"I know.
I--I shouldn't have said that."
1918
01:29:18,542 --> 01:29:20,250
I said,
"It's good you said that."
1919
01:29:20,334 --> 01:29:23,125
Because we felt that if that
played out in open court,
1920
01:29:23,209 --> 01:29:25,918
we had the potential
of embarrassment.
1921
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:27,209
And one thing we knew about
1922
01:29:27,292 --> 01:29:28,209
the Southern District
of New York,
1923
01:29:28,292 --> 01:29:29,542
they don't like embarrassing.
1924
01:29:29,626 --> 01:29:32,000
[dramatic music]
1925
01:29:32,083 --> 01:29:34,250
- When you looked at it,
you said,
1926
01:29:34,334 --> 01:29:37,292
"We're--we have the wrong guys
on trial."
1927
01:29:37,375 --> 01:29:41,083
Marty Blazer is a person
who stole money
1928
01:29:41,167 --> 01:29:45,626
testifying against two guys
who gave people money.
1929
01:29:45,709 --> 01:29:49,083
We sat there and watched
Marty Blazer testify.
1930
01:29:49,167 --> 01:29:51,626
I believe it took half a day
to go through
1931
01:29:51,709 --> 01:29:56,125
all of the various crimes,
schemes, and lies
1932
01:29:56,209 --> 01:29:59,042
that Marty Blazer
was involved with.
1933
01:29:59,125 --> 01:30:01,334
- Marty Blazer's testimony
was four days long.
1934
01:30:01,417 --> 01:30:04,417
It was a whole week
of nothing but,
1935
01:30:04,500 --> 01:30:07,250
"I wore recordings.
This is what Christian did."
1936
01:30:07,334 --> 01:30:09,417
It was nothing but Marty Blazer
1937
01:30:09,500 --> 01:30:11,792
doing everything
he possibly could
1938
01:30:11,876 --> 01:30:15,250
to show the government
that he substantially complied,
1939
01:30:15,334 --> 01:30:17,292
right, as part of
his cooperation agreement--
1940
01:30:17,375 --> 01:30:18,584
that's the language in it--
1941
01:30:18,667 --> 01:30:21,417
and for that substantial
compliance and assistance
1942
01:30:21,500 --> 01:30:24,667
in seeing Christian Dawkins
convicted and prosecuted,
1943
01:30:24,751 --> 01:30:26,792
that he then could avoid
going to prison.
1944
01:30:26,876 --> 01:30:30,083
I mean, is that a fair system?
I would say probably not.
1945
01:30:33,167 --> 01:30:34,792
- Marty Blazer should--
yeah, he should--
1946
01:30:34,876 --> 01:30:36,334
probably should go to prison.
1947
01:30:36,417 --> 01:30:37,834
He should probably go.
1948
01:30:37,918 --> 01:30:39,334
He's stealing that much money
to do a movie,
1949
01:30:39,417 --> 01:30:41,459
and it was a shit movie
on top of that?
1950
01:30:41,542 --> 01:30:43,834
That--
you should go to prison, bro.
1951
01:30:43,918 --> 01:30:46,834
Marty Blazer's an idiot.
1952
01:30:46,918 --> 01:30:48,834
- The biggest surprise for me
1953
01:30:48,918 --> 01:30:53,459
was finding the conduct
of the FBI.
1954
01:30:53,542 --> 01:30:56,417
- I found out
that the FBI agents
1955
01:30:56,500 --> 01:31:00,876
were accused of--
or alleged to have stole money
1956
01:31:00,959 --> 01:31:02,792
from the investigation
1957
01:31:02,876 --> 01:31:05,334
via the "The Wall Street
Journal" article.
1958
01:31:05,417 --> 01:31:07,334
- Somebody involved
1959
01:31:07,417 --> 01:31:11,709
gave me kind of a nudge
to look into,
1960
01:31:11,792 --> 01:31:13,500
you know, something
had happened in Las Vegas.
1961
01:31:13,584 --> 01:31:15,918
I was told to pay attention
to some court filings
1962
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:18,083
that were coming out
that would
1963
01:31:18,167 --> 01:31:21,876
make it clear that there had
been some FBI misconduct.
1964
01:31:21,959 --> 01:31:23,876
In the middle
of this investigation--
1965
01:31:23,959 --> 01:31:26,125
it's a heated investigation--
shortly after,
1966
01:31:26,209 --> 01:31:29,459
they're all in Las Vegas doing
these meetings with coaches.
1967
01:31:29,542 --> 01:31:32,876
This one undercover
just sort of was like,
1968
01:31:32,959 --> 01:31:34,292
"I have to go away
for a month."
1969
01:31:34,375 --> 01:31:36,918
♪ ♪
1970
01:31:37,000 --> 01:31:39,042
You know, you can't always
read too much
1971
01:31:39,125 --> 01:31:40,667
into things like that,
but when UC-1 disappears,
1972
01:31:40,751 --> 01:31:42,792
and they even
go out of their way to
1973
01:31:42,876 --> 01:31:45,209
say that this person
left in the middle,
1974
01:31:45,292 --> 01:31:47,209
it was sort of bizarre.
1975
01:31:47,292 --> 01:31:50,918
You know, I'm able to contact
people in law enforcement,
1976
01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:56,584
and we reported that
this one FBI agent,
1977
01:31:56,667 --> 01:31:59,584
Jeff D'Angelo,
who's UC-1 in the complaint,
1978
01:31:59,667 --> 01:32:02,626
had been caught
misappropriating
1979
01:32:02,709 --> 01:32:06,459
government money in--
on his trip to Las Vegas.
1980
01:32:06,542 --> 01:32:08,209
It later emerged in the court
hearing that there were
1981
01:32:08,292 --> 01:32:11,584
more than one FBI agents
who got in trouble for this.
1982
01:32:11,667 --> 01:32:13,209
Apparently, what happens
when you send
1983
01:32:13,292 --> 01:32:15,709
a bunch of dudes to Las Vegas
1984
01:32:15,792 --> 01:32:20,250
with envelopes of cash
is, like, not great.
1985
01:32:20,334 --> 01:32:25,042
And since then,
there's been a full-blown
1986
01:32:25,125 --> 01:32:27,751
DOJ investigation into what
went wrong with this.
1987
01:32:27,834 --> 01:32:34,876
♪ ♪
1988
01:32:50,500 --> 01:32:53,042
In the broader scheme
of things, it just--
1989
01:32:53,125 --> 01:32:56,500
it sort of casts...
1990
01:32:56,584 --> 01:32:58,542
a shadow on the investigation.
1991
01:32:58,626 --> 01:33:02,250
I mean, who are the good guys
here, you know?
1992
01:33:02,334 --> 01:33:06,250
- The reason why nobody knows
what Jeff D'Angelo
1993
01:33:06,334 --> 01:33:08,918
and the other members
of the investigative team did
1994
01:33:09,042 --> 01:33:11,167
was because it was covered up,
it was--
1995
01:33:11,250 --> 01:33:12,751
I mean, we knew
that something happened,
1996
01:33:12,834 --> 01:33:14,042
but we don't know
what happened,
1997
01:33:14,125 --> 01:33:15,417
we don't know how it happened,
1998
01:33:15,500 --> 01:33:17,667
we don't know
how much happened.
1999
01:33:17,751 --> 01:33:18,834
We don't have any details
2000
01:33:18,918 --> 01:33:21,250
besides the fact
that something happened.
2001
01:33:21,334 --> 01:33:24,292
- Did the jury ever find out
that the FBI
2002
01:33:24,375 --> 01:33:26,000
was misusing or stealing
2003
01:33:26,083 --> 01:33:27,542
government funds,
taxpayer dollars?
2004
01:33:27,626 --> 01:33:28,834
They didn't.
2005
01:33:28,918 --> 01:33:31,584
- No FBI agent spoke at trial
2006
01:33:31,667 --> 01:33:33,459
or were even mentioned
in front of the jury,
2007
01:33:33,542 --> 01:33:34,959
as far as I remember.
2008
01:33:35,042 --> 01:33:36,834
- The jury in either trial
2009
01:33:36,918 --> 01:33:40,500
never was aware
of any alleged misconduct
2010
01:33:40,584 --> 01:33:43,792
by any of the FBI agents.
2011
01:33:43,876 --> 01:33:45,667
- I subpoenaed four FBI agents,
2012
01:33:45,751 --> 01:33:47,417
the four that were
most principally involved
2013
01:33:47,500 --> 01:33:52,209
in the case,
and all subpoenas were denied.
2014
01:33:52,292 --> 01:33:54,709
If Jeff D'Angelo walked
through here right now,
2015
01:33:54,792 --> 01:33:57,667
I wouldn't even know
if it was a FBI agent
2016
01:33:57,751 --> 01:33:58,876
or a sound guy.
2017
01:33:58,959 --> 01:34:01,709
We had no idea
who Jeff D'Angelo was.
2018
01:34:01,792 --> 01:34:04,083
Never saw him before.
Don't know his real name.
2019
01:34:04,167 --> 01:34:06,250
To this day,
we don't know who he is.
2020
01:34:06,334 --> 01:34:07,709
- I don't know
any investigation
2021
01:34:07,792 --> 01:34:10,250
where the investigation leader
2022
01:34:10,334 --> 01:34:14,542
is not there
to take the witness stand.
2023
01:34:14,626 --> 01:34:17,042
- He was the primary
investigative officer.
2024
01:34:17,125 --> 01:34:20,834
He wasn't some guy hiding
in a bush with a microphone.
2025
01:34:20,918 --> 01:34:22,751
This was the guy
that was on the yacht
2026
01:34:22,834 --> 01:34:25,000
giving Christian Dawkins
the money
2027
01:34:25,083 --> 01:34:27,334
to go out
and start LOYD Management,
2028
01:34:27,417 --> 01:34:31,000
so he was
the central character
2029
01:34:31,083 --> 01:34:33,042
of this entire investigation,
2030
01:34:33,125 --> 01:34:35,083
was this particular FBI agent,
2031
01:34:35,167 --> 01:34:38,250
and he never came
in the courtroom to testify.
2032
01:34:38,334 --> 01:34:42,417
- They had to believe
that Marty Blazer,
2033
01:34:42,500 --> 01:34:44,417
a known fraudster
at this point,
2034
01:34:44,500 --> 01:34:47,250
was more credible for the jury
2035
01:34:47,334 --> 01:34:50,083
than their lead FBI agent,
Jeff D'Angelo.
2036
01:34:50,167 --> 01:34:52,375
I would feel like
it's just fair
2037
01:34:52,459 --> 01:34:55,876
that if someone is in charge
of leading an investigation
2038
01:34:55,959 --> 01:34:58,918
and there's been
alleged misconduct,
2039
01:34:59,000 --> 01:35:00,626
that we should know
what they did,
2040
01:35:00,709 --> 01:35:04,375
whether that was a small thing
or a huge thing.
2041
01:35:04,459 --> 01:35:06,542
Like, it shouldn't be
a situation where it's like,
2042
01:35:06,626 --> 01:35:08,542
"Fuck off,
you don't need to know."
2043
01:35:08,626 --> 01:35:12,667
By definition, if some--
if no one knows,
2044
01:35:12,751 --> 01:35:14,709
someone's preventing
that information
2045
01:35:14,792 --> 01:35:15,751
from being out there.
2046
01:35:15,834 --> 01:35:18,417
That's literally
what a cover-up is.
2047
01:35:18,500 --> 01:35:20,626
I mean, it has to--
something's being covered up.
2048
01:35:20,709 --> 01:35:22,417
There's no--
I don't know what happened,
2049
01:35:22,500 --> 01:35:24,417
and I was in
the fucking case.
2050
01:35:29,500 --> 01:35:30,667
- You know,
that's the basic thing.
2051
01:35:30,751 --> 01:35:32,959
We are, the taxpayers,
you know, paid for everything.
2052
01:35:33,042 --> 01:35:35,542
The yacht, all the alcohol--
2053
01:35:35,626 --> 01:35:36,584
God knows what gambling
2054
01:35:36,667 --> 01:35:37,834
they were doing
out in Las Vegas.
2055
01:35:37,918 --> 01:35:40,959
Hotel suites in Las Vegas.
2056
01:35:41,042 --> 01:35:42,959
$4,000, $5,000-a-night suite.
2057
01:35:43,042 --> 01:35:45,375
It was just--
it's mind-boggling to imagine
2058
01:35:45,459 --> 01:35:47,292
that the taxpayers in America
2059
01:35:47,375 --> 01:35:50,083
foot the bill
for something this ridiculous.
2060
01:35:50,167 --> 01:35:52,709
The whole thing
was manufactured, right?
2061
01:35:52,792 --> 01:35:55,876
The whole thing was
arguably entrapment, right?
2062
01:35:56,000 --> 01:35:58,125
There's a point in time
where Christian made it clear
2063
01:35:58,209 --> 01:36:01,334
he didn't want to do
what he was being asked to do,
2064
01:36:01,417 --> 01:36:04,167
which is what
he was charged with.
2065
01:36:04,250 --> 01:36:07,125
♪ ♪
2066
01:36:07,209 --> 01:36:11,500
Christian Dawkins doesn't have
the name recognition,
2067
01:36:11,584 --> 01:36:13,167
the resources,
2068
01:36:13,250 --> 01:36:15,000
the, quite frankly, the money
2069
01:36:15,083 --> 01:36:16,834
to scare the DOJ.
2070
01:36:16,918 --> 01:36:20,125
But if you charge these major
head coaches who have--
2071
01:36:20,209 --> 01:36:22,292
who are making
$3, $4, $5 million a year
2072
01:36:22,375 --> 01:36:25,918
and they're all gonna
fight this shit,
2073
01:36:26,000 --> 01:36:29,209
and you have
improper things going on
2074
01:36:29,292 --> 01:36:31,751
with your investigative team,
2075
01:36:31,834 --> 01:36:34,125
you probably can't
fucking keep that hidden.
2076
01:36:34,209 --> 01:36:37,667
- I subpoenaed Sean Miller,
the head coach of Arizona.
2077
01:36:37,751 --> 01:36:38,959
I subpoenaed Will Wade,
2078
01:36:39,042 --> 01:36:41,417
the head coach
of Louisiana State University.
2079
01:36:41,500 --> 01:36:43,375
You know, I wonder
what would've happened
2080
01:36:43,459 --> 01:36:44,709
had those folks testified.
2081
01:36:44,792 --> 01:36:48,584
I think our case would've been
a little stronger.
2082
01:36:48,667 --> 01:36:52,375
- All of college sports fans
wanted to see Rick Pitino
2083
01:36:52,459 --> 01:36:54,459
on the stand
or Sean Miller on the stand
2084
01:36:54,542 --> 01:36:56,000
or Will Wade on the stand.
2085
01:36:56,083 --> 01:36:58,584
That's not how it worked,
and those guys didn't have--
2086
01:36:58,667 --> 01:37:00,167
they weren't charged
with any crimes.
2087
01:37:00,250 --> 01:37:01,375
They weren't--
2088
01:37:01,459 --> 01:37:03,626
they weren't accused
of any wrongdoing.
2089
01:37:03,709 --> 01:37:06,667
- Lack of evidence
was not the reason
2090
01:37:06,751 --> 01:37:08,709
that coaches were not charged.
2091
01:37:08,792 --> 01:37:10,500
♪ ♪
2092
01:37:10,584 --> 01:37:13,709
When Sean Miller
had his press conference,
2093
01:37:13,792 --> 01:37:16,834
I literally thought of Book,
and I was like, shit,
2094
01:37:16,918 --> 01:37:18,876
I mean, Sean should have
his own, like,
2095
01:37:18,959 --> 01:37:21,417
movie agent or some shit,
or a manager.
2096
01:37:21,500 --> 01:37:23,083
Like, he should be an actor.
2097
01:37:23,167 --> 01:37:25,876
That was a really high-level--
2098
01:37:25,959 --> 01:37:28,542
I was convinced, honestly.
2099
01:37:28,626 --> 01:37:31,167
- Contrary to what has been
written this past week,
2100
01:37:31,250 --> 01:37:33,584
we do our very best
to run a clean program
2101
01:37:33,667 --> 01:37:36,334
at the University of Arizona.
2102
01:37:36,417 --> 01:37:40,626
I have never knowingly
violated NCAA rules
2103
01:37:40,709 --> 01:37:45,542
while serving as head coach
of this great program.
2104
01:37:45,626 --> 01:37:48,542
I have never paid a recruit
or prospect or their family
2105
01:37:48,626 --> 01:37:52,000
or representative
to come to Arizona.
2106
01:37:52,083 --> 01:37:54,751
I never have and I never will.
2107
01:37:54,834 --> 01:37:57,626
I have never arranged
or directed payment
2108
01:37:57,709 --> 01:38:01,292
or any improper benefits
to a recruit or prospect
2109
01:38:01,375 --> 01:38:03,626
or their family
or representative,
2110
01:38:03,709 --> 01:38:05,042
and I never will.
2111
01:38:07,209 --> 01:38:08,459
- If you want to know
my opinion,
2112
01:38:08,542 --> 01:38:10,292
when Sean Miller had
his press conference
2113
01:38:10,375 --> 01:38:13,292
and said has a player from
Arizona ever received money
2114
01:38:13,375 --> 01:38:15,167
or did he know anything
about a player from Arizona
2115
01:38:15,250 --> 01:38:16,792
receiving money, did he lie?
2116
01:38:16,876 --> 01:38:18,667
Yeah, that wasn't true.
2117
01:38:18,751 --> 01:38:21,751
♪ ♪
2118
01:38:42,542 --> 01:38:44,959
- Book and I are just
essentially speaking about
2119
01:38:45,042 --> 01:38:48,500
myself wanting to recruit
Deandre Ayton.
2120
01:38:48,584 --> 01:38:50,334
Obviously,
he was already on campus.
2121
01:38:50,417 --> 01:38:52,125
Book was one of his coaches.
2122
01:38:52,209 --> 01:38:53,667
They have access to him
every day,
2123
01:38:53,751 --> 01:38:57,500
so I had had conversations
with Book about Deandre
2124
01:38:57,584 --> 01:39:00,042
and just, you know, myself
getting in front of him,
2125
01:39:00,125 --> 01:39:02,667
hopefully having a shot
at representing him one day.
2126
01:39:23,918 --> 01:39:25,334
I'm being told
2127
01:39:25,417 --> 01:39:27,334
that Sean is the one
2128
01:39:27,417 --> 01:39:30,375
who is financing
the Deandre situation.
2129
01:39:30,459 --> 01:39:32,500
- I mean, did Sean Miller
pay players?
2130
01:39:32,584 --> 01:39:34,500
I think, you know,
if you can't believe
2131
01:39:34,584 --> 01:39:37,250
the head assistant coach
on a wiretap,
2132
01:39:37,334 --> 01:39:39,042
who doesn't know
he's being recorded,
2133
01:39:39,125 --> 01:39:41,709
in his truest of moments,
talking with his buddy,
2134
01:39:41,792 --> 01:39:44,209
and he's saying that
Sean Miller's paying players,
2135
01:39:44,292 --> 01:39:47,709
you'd have to be a really,
really die-hard Arizona fan...
2136
01:39:47,792 --> 01:39:49,334
[laughing]
To believe that he's not.
2137
01:39:49,417 --> 01:39:52,209
- If anyone's gonna say
Book is a cheater
2138
01:39:52,292 --> 01:39:56,334
and Book was a liar
and Book paid players,
2139
01:39:56,417 --> 01:39:58,876
then there's no way you can
separate Sean from it.
2140
01:39:58,959 --> 01:40:00,667
- I could care less if these
guys are paying players.
2141
01:40:00,751 --> 01:40:02,125
I don't have anything personal
against Sean Miller
2142
01:40:02,209 --> 01:40:03,876
or Will Wade,
I don't know these guys,
2143
01:40:03,959 --> 01:40:07,584
but I think that Christian's
relationship with them
2144
01:40:07,667 --> 01:40:10,834
was very clear
from those wiretap phone calls
2145
01:40:10,918 --> 01:40:13,417
by the way that they're having
conversation with each other.
2146
01:40:13,500 --> 01:40:14,959
All right?
Not very formal.
2147
01:40:15,042 --> 01:40:18,751
- They do have wiretaps
of head coaches talking
2148
01:40:18,834 --> 01:40:23,083
about recruiting,
and we never heard any of them.
2149
01:40:23,167 --> 01:40:27,459
The government fought every
attempt by defense attorneys
2150
01:40:27,542 --> 01:40:30,375
in both trials
to get those calls
2151
01:40:30,459 --> 01:40:32,876
admitted and played in court.
2152
01:40:32,959 --> 01:40:34,709
They never came out.
2153
01:40:34,792 --> 01:40:36,292
- You know, the government
knew those calls existed.
2154
01:40:36,375 --> 01:40:38,375
They heard what were on
those phone calls.
2155
01:40:38,459 --> 01:40:40,542
The judge felt
it was not relevant
2156
01:40:40,626 --> 01:40:43,209
to the issues before the court.
2157
01:40:43,292 --> 01:40:45,709
- So the names that you know,
2158
01:40:45,792 --> 01:40:48,334
fans know,
we didn't hear from them.
2159
01:41:09,375 --> 01:41:11,083
- Very comfortable
with each other.
2160
01:41:11,167 --> 01:41:14,125
They had worked together
on a lot of different things.
2161
01:41:23,918 --> 01:41:25,417
- The player
in that particular situation
2162
01:41:25,500 --> 01:41:26,542
was Nassir Little.
2163
01:41:26,626 --> 01:41:28,709
Sean wanted Nassir
really badly.
2164
01:41:28,792 --> 01:41:30,292
He knew I had a relationship
2165
01:41:30,375 --> 01:41:33,667
with the grassroots coaches,
who at that time,
2166
01:41:33,751 --> 01:41:35,000
I think we all were
under the impression
2167
01:41:35,083 --> 01:41:38,417
that they kind of had
the juice with the situation.
2168
01:41:38,500 --> 01:41:40,167
I basically told him
2169
01:41:40,250 --> 01:41:42,792
that I think it's gonna come
down to Miami and Arizona,
2170
01:41:42,876 --> 01:41:44,667
and what I think
needed to happen
2171
01:41:44,751 --> 01:41:46,751
for the kid to come
to Arizona.
2172
01:42:01,542 --> 01:42:02,584
- Yeah, it was no question,
2173
01:42:02,667 --> 01:42:04,125
that conversation,
all about money, I think.
2174
01:42:04,209 --> 01:42:05,292
I mean,
from my interpretation--
2175
01:42:05,375 --> 01:42:08,542
maybe Sean, you know, speaks
a different language than me,
2176
01:42:08,626 --> 01:42:10,918
but I'm pretty sure that we can
all agree that that's--
2177
01:42:11,000 --> 01:42:13,918
we was talking about what needed
to happen to get it done.
2178
01:42:51,959 --> 01:42:57,250
- I--or we, have never,
ever done business
2179
01:42:57,334 --> 01:43:00,250
of any kind
with Christian Dawkins.
2180
01:43:26,125 --> 01:43:29,042
- [laughing]
2181
01:44:18,876 --> 01:44:22,167
- I think the only way
you can interpret someone
2182
01:44:22,250 --> 01:44:25,334
in a head coaching position
2183
01:44:25,417 --> 01:44:27,334
saying they made
a strong-ass offer--
2184
01:44:27,417 --> 01:44:29,834
they ain't talking about
a scholarship offer, bro.
2185
01:44:29,918 --> 01:44:32,751
100% talking about money.
2186
01:44:32,834 --> 01:44:34,959
Just the audacity--
I mean, just--
2187
01:44:35,042 --> 01:44:37,375
you gotta take your hat off
to him, man.
2188
01:44:37,459 --> 01:44:39,959
He not only didn't
get charged for anything,
2189
01:44:40,042 --> 01:44:42,292
not only did the government
have all this--
2190
01:44:42,375 --> 01:44:44,000
this information and evidence,
2191
01:44:44,083 --> 01:44:47,459
and nothing was happening
on a criminal level,
2192
01:44:47,542 --> 01:44:50,959
he also basically just said
fuck you to the NCAA
2193
01:44:51,042 --> 01:44:53,959
and to the university
he worked for.
2194
01:44:54,042 --> 01:44:56,626
- Head Coach Will Wade
has requested reinstatement
2195
01:44:56,709 --> 01:44:58,167
from his indefinite suspension
2196
01:44:58,250 --> 01:45:00,042
while still refusing
to meet with the school.
2197
01:45:00,125 --> 01:45:02,167
- Man, that was some G shit.
2198
01:45:02,250 --> 01:45:04,042
And he said fuck you
to the people
2199
01:45:04,125 --> 01:45:05,876
who wasn't with him.
2200
01:45:05,959 --> 01:45:07,042
And he still got
to keep his job
2201
01:45:07,125 --> 01:45:08,459
and make millions of dollars.
2202
01:45:08,542 --> 01:45:10,876
It's, like, the perfect storm.
This is the life.
2203
01:45:10,959 --> 01:45:12,417
Fucking, they're paying him
a lot of money
2204
01:45:12,500 --> 01:45:13,542
to win games, bro.
2205
01:45:13,626 --> 01:45:16,083
The fuck is he supposed
to do, lose?
2206
01:45:16,167 --> 01:45:17,542
Will Wade is definitely
a fucking gangster
2207
01:45:17,626 --> 01:45:19,250
for what he did.
2208
01:45:19,334 --> 01:45:21,500
There's no fucking way
I'm gonna believe
2209
01:45:21,584 --> 01:45:24,667
that people at that level
of sophistication
2210
01:45:24,751 --> 01:45:27,542
is gonna get on national TV
2211
01:45:27,626 --> 01:45:30,042
knowing that there's
a smoking gun laying out there
2212
01:45:30,125 --> 01:45:34,000
and be so confident in saying,
2213
01:45:34,083 --> 01:45:36,667
"I don't know shit.
I didn't do shit.
2214
01:45:36,751 --> 01:45:38,626
I don't know
anybody involved."
2215
01:45:38,709 --> 01:45:40,334
There had to be somebody
to give them
2216
01:45:40,417 --> 01:45:41,417
some level of insurances.
2217
01:45:41,500 --> 01:45:43,751
They wouldn't roll the dice
like that.
2218
01:45:43,834 --> 01:45:46,083
No one fucks with the FBI
like that.
2219
01:45:46,167 --> 01:45:48,083
No one's that crazy.
2220
01:45:48,167 --> 01:45:52,125
- And this now completes
my statement on this matter.
2221
01:45:54,584 --> 01:45:56,250
- From the start
of this whole case,
2222
01:45:56,334 --> 01:45:59,918
the whole idea was
to bring in coaches,
2223
01:46:00,000 --> 01:46:01,709
and they could have blown
the whole fucking thing up
2224
01:46:01,792 --> 01:46:03,667
if they wanted to,
and they didn't,
2225
01:46:03,751 --> 01:46:05,542
because, you know,
the right people
2226
01:46:05,626 --> 01:46:09,375
got to the right people
and it was stopped.
2227
01:46:09,459 --> 01:46:11,584
- The original point was,
it was gonna change everything,
2228
01:46:11,667 --> 01:46:13,250
and they just backed away.
2229
01:46:13,334 --> 01:46:15,542
They didn't do it.
It just never happened.
2230
01:46:15,626 --> 01:46:17,584
They had the opportunity.
2231
01:46:17,667 --> 01:46:20,042
They had the resources.
They had the power.
2232
01:46:20,125 --> 01:46:22,459
They said they wanted to do it.
2233
01:46:22,542 --> 01:46:25,667
They didn't do it.
I don't know why.
2234
01:46:25,751 --> 01:46:29,959
- I can't...fathom
2235
01:46:30,042 --> 01:46:32,959
that I'm the person
2236
01:46:33,042 --> 01:46:37,584
that all these fucking
resources went into catching.
2237
01:46:47,083 --> 01:46:49,417
I got sentenced
to 12 months and a day.
2238
01:46:49,500 --> 01:46:50,834
Out of everybody
who was arrested
2239
01:46:50,918 --> 01:46:52,709
and was involved
in the investigation,
2240
01:46:52,792 --> 01:46:54,792
I got the longest
prison sentence.
2241
01:46:54,876 --> 01:46:58,083
Total sentence I had
for both cases is 18 months.
2242
01:46:58,167 --> 01:47:00,375
Federal prison.
2243
01:47:00,459 --> 01:47:02,167
Book Richardson
got three months.
2244
01:47:02,250 --> 01:47:05,125
Tony Bland got no time.
Probation.
2245
01:47:05,209 --> 01:47:08,584
Merl Code got
nine months total.
2246
01:47:08,667 --> 01:47:10,334
Jim Gatto got
nine months total.
2247
01:47:10,417 --> 01:47:12,125
Munish Sood didn't even get
fucking probation.
2248
01:47:12,209 --> 01:47:13,834
I think he just got a fine.
2249
01:47:13,918 --> 01:47:14,834
I don't know what Marty got.
2250
01:47:14,918 --> 01:47:17,000
He better get
at least ten years.
2251
01:47:19,417 --> 01:47:23,000
- Christian Dawkins refused
to cooperate in any way.
2252
01:47:23,083 --> 01:47:25,542
He fought both cases
to the end.
2253
01:47:25,626 --> 01:47:27,626
I think the feds thought
everyone would plea,
2254
01:47:27,709 --> 01:47:31,542
there wouldn't be any trials,
but these guys said nah,
2255
01:47:31,626 --> 01:47:34,626
I'm gonna stand up,
I'm gonna argue my case,
2256
01:47:34,709 --> 01:47:38,959
and they all lost,
but they made no agreements,
2257
01:47:39,042 --> 01:47:40,542
no cooperation
with the government,
2258
01:47:40,626 --> 01:47:42,959
and they went down swinging.
2259
01:47:43,042 --> 01:47:45,334
- I think he wanted to go down
with his place in history
2260
01:47:45,417 --> 01:47:48,417
as a guy that had
an opportunity
2261
01:47:48,500 --> 01:47:50,584
really to throw the world
under the bus
2262
01:47:50,667 --> 01:47:52,834
in college basketball,
in the community,
2263
01:47:52,918 --> 01:47:55,375
and he chose not to.
2264
01:47:55,459 --> 01:47:57,042
- We've had cheating
in this game forever.
2265
01:47:57,125 --> 01:48:00,792
Players have been paid forever.
Was that confirmed here? Yes.
2266
01:48:00,876 --> 01:48:03,375
But did the Southern District
of New York
2267
01:48:03,459 --> 01:48:05,042
and the FBI deliver
when they said,
2268
01:48:05,125 --> 01:48:06,083
"We have your playbook,"
2269
01:48:06,167 --> 01:48:08,375
and they made
all these threats, no.
2270
01:48:08,459 --> 01:48:10,876
I think it was actually
a pretty stern rebuke
2271
01:48:10,959 --> 01:48:12,417
of the Southern District
of New York
2272
01:48:12,500 --> 01:48:15,083
that they only got convictions
in three of the ten charges
2273
01:48:15,167 --> 01:48:19,334
that they brought against Merl
Code and Christian Dawkins.
2274
01:48:19,417 --> 01:48:21,959
- And I want to be very clear
with this.
2275
01:48:22,042 --> 01:48:24,584
Any coach who offers
to pay a player,
2276
01:48:24,667 --> 01:48:27,584
in my opinion, is a good guy.
2277
01:48:27,667 --> 01:48:29,709
I don't see anything
wrong with it.
2278
01:48:29,792 --> 01:48:31,751
I think the players--
the coaches
2279
01:48:31,834 --> 01:48:34,918
who are not willing
to help out their players
2280
01:48:35,000 --> 01:48:37,125
are not good people.
2281
01:48:37,209 --> 01:48:38,792
The way the system is set up,
2282
01:48:38,876 --> 01:48:41,751
it's kind of caused
someone to have to step in
2283
01:48:41,834 --> 01:48:45,959
to provide what the families
and the players need.
2284
01:48:46,042 --> 01:48:50,417
- Let's say
Google, Amazon, says,
2285
01:48:50,500 --> 01:48:55,375
"We want to identify
the top STEM students,
2286
01:48:55,459 --> 01:48:57,876
the top coders
in high schools,"
2287
01:48:57,959 --> 01:48:59,918
and they find one in Saginaw,
2288
01:49:00,000 --> 01:49:01,083
and they go in there
and they say,
2289
01:49:01,167 --> 01:49:03,667
"We're gonna pay you $20,000
2290
01:49:03,751 --> 01:49:06,042
"and you're gonna come intern
for us in the summer,
2291
01:49:06,125 --> 01:49:07,876
"and then maybe when
you get out of college,
2292
01:49:07,959 --> 01:49:10,125
you come work for us
instead of the competition."
2293
01:49:10,209 --> 01:49:12,375
They would write that up
in the newspaper.
2294
01:49:12,459 --> 01:49:13,959
They would put that on TV.
2295
01:49:14,042 --> 01:49:15,918
It would be
an outreach program.
2296
01:49:16,000 --> 01:49:18,000
It would be a way
to inspire young students.
2297
01:49:18,083 --> 01:49:19,375
It would be tremendous.
2298
01:49:19,459 --> 01:49:21,500
What's the difference?
2299
01:49:21,584 --> 01:49:23,292
If Google and Amazon say,
2300
01:49:23,375 --> 01:49:24,959
"That kid's worth
20 grand to us.
2301
01:49:25,042 --> 01:49:26,125
Come out here for the summer."
2302
01:49:26,209 --> 01:49:27,709
In fact, if they said,
"You need to come out here
2303
01:49:27,792 --> 01:49:29,417
for the summer
and we don't pay you,"
2304
01:49:29,500 --> 01:49:31,125
you'd say
that's absolutely terrible.
2305
01:49:31,209 --> 01:49:34,083
But because of amateurism,
2306
01:49:34,167 --> 01:49:38,375
and because an entire industry
has made billions
2307
01:49:38,459 --> 01:49:42,292
off of the concept of,
"you have to do this for free,"
2308
01:49:42,375 --> 01:49:43,417
no one's telling that kid,
2309
01:49:43,500 --> 01:49:46,792
"You need to code
for the love of coding."
2310
01:49:46,876 --> 01:49:48,584
No one's saying,
"You should go work for Google
2311
01:49:48,667 --> 01:49:50,375
for the love of Google."
2312
01:49:50,459 --> 01:49:51,834
What is the difference?
2313
01:49:51,918 --> 01:49:55,834
There's none,
except they have sold
2314
01:49:55,918 --> 01:49:58,500
this concept of amateurism
to America,
2315
01:49:58,584 --> 01:50:00,000
and then they sold
a lot of commercials
2316
01:50:00,083 --> 01:50:02,000
during the NCAA basketball
tournament around it.
2317
01:50:02,083 --> 01:50:05,500
- This is a business.
This is not amateur athletics.
2318
01:50:05,584 --> 01:50:07,000
There's nothing amateur
2319
01:50:07,083 --> 01:50:08,751
that makes billions
of dollars.
2320
01:50:08,834 --> 01:50:12,083
The NCAA brings in every year
a billion dollars
2321
01:50:12,167 --> 01:50:15,792
just in television licensing
for college basketball.
2322
01:50:15,876 --> 01:50:17,375
And so you have
a multibillion-dollar
2323
01:50:17,459 --> 01:50:19,626
licensing business
and none of these people
2324
01:50:19,709 --> 01:50:22,292
are paying any taxes
on the money.
2325
01:50:22,375 --> 01:50:25,292
The NCAA is a nonprofit
that pays no taxes.
2326
01:50:25,375 --> 01:50:26,792
The conferences
are nonprofits.
2327
01:50:26,876 --> 01:50:28,459
They pay no taxes.
2328
01:50:28,542 --> 01:50:32,334
- You can cry victim, right,
2329
01:50:32,417 --> 01:50:35,083
and pretend you're a victim
and then keep getting paid
2330
01:50:35,167 --> 01:50:36,375
and just keep the system
the same.
2331
01:50:36,459 --> 01:50:37,542
It's perfect.
2332
01:50:37,626 --> 01:50:39,876
- Here's the reason why
I'm different from the NCAA.
2333
01:50:39,959 --> 01:50:42,375
Yes, I made money.
2334
01:50:42,459 --> 01:50:44,125
So did the people with me.
2335
01:50:44,209 --> 01:50:47,042
So did the players.
2336
01:50:47,125 --> 01:50:49,042
I never took anything
from them.
2337
01:50:49,125 --> 01:50:51,876
The NCAA acts as if
2338
01:50:51,959 --> 01:50:55,125
they are bigger
than the athlete.
2339
01:50:55,209 --> 01:50:57,667
If the athletes were all white
2340
01:50:57,751 --> 01:51:00,667
and the coaches and athletic
directors were all black,
2341
01:51:00,751 --> 01:51:02,042
there's no way
this would be happening.
2342
01:51:02,125 --> 01:51:04,000
♪ ♪
2343
01:51:04,083 --> 01:51:05,834
- College athletics
is a lot of fun,
2344
01:51:05,918 --> 01:51:08,500
and it brings
communities together.
2345
01:51:08,584 --> 01:51:09,709
It does a lot of great things.
2346
01:51:09,792 --> 01:51:12,000
But it would continue
to be a good deal
2347
01:51:12,083 --> 01:51:16,250
if you allowed the players
to operate in the free market.
2348
01:51:16,334 --> 01:51:19,542
Instead, we create a system
that punishes the kids
2349
01:51:19,626 --> 01:51:21,542
because nothing's
on the up and up.
2350
01:51:21,626 --> 01:51:23,876
It all has to be clandestine.
2351
01:51:23,959 --> 01:51:26,500
If you have great players,
2352
01:51:26,584 --> 01:51:28,417
you are in possession
of lottery tickets
2353
01:51:28,500 --> 01:51:30,083
that are going to cash,
2354
01:51:30,167 --> 01:51:32,459
and so the guys
are gonna come for them.
2355
01:51:32,542 --> 01:51:35,083
The agents are gonna come,
the shoe reps,
2356
01:51:35,167 --> 01:51:36,542
I mean, it just--
they're already there.
2357
01:51:36,626 --> 01:51:38,792
They're not coming for them,
they were already there.
2358
01:51:38,876 --> 01:51:43,000
- I knew every player
in the world,
2359
01:51:43,083 --> 01:51:45,626
every level, every person,
2360
01:51:45,709 --> 01:51:48,250
every coach, every everything.
2361
01:51:48,334 --> 01:51:50,626
It was addictive, I was--
I loved--
2362
01:51:50,709 --> 01:51:52,375
my whole life was basketball.
2363
01:51:52,459 --> 01:51:55,542
I had never made a dollar
off of anything in my life
2364
01:51:55,626 --> 01:51:58,167
besides basketball
until recently.
2365
01:51:58,250 --> 01:52:00,626
♪ ♪
2366
01:52:00,709 --> 01:52:04,334
I was literally thinking,
okay, what am I gonna do next?
2367
01:52:04,417 --> 01:52:08,125
And the music business
is one business where if--
2368
01:52:08,209 --> 01:52:09,584
I was thinking at the time,
2369
01:52:09,667 --> 01:52:11,375
if I was to be
a convicted felon,
2370
01:52:11,459 --> 01:52:14,500
that wouldn't be a detriment
in music, basically.
2371
01:52:14,584 --> 01:52:17,792
- During the first trial,
the day of the convictions,
2372
01:52:17,876 --> 01:52:22,125
you know, when those
guilty verdicts came back,
2373
01:52:22,209 --> 01:52:23,918
this was Christian.
2374
01:52:24,000 --> 01:52:25,083
He wiped my face,
and he was like,
2375
01:52:25,167 --> 01:52:26,792
"Dad, let's get
the hell out of here,
2376
01:52:26,876 --> 01:52:28,459
"'cause I have a meeting
at 6:00 p.m.
2377
01:52:28,542 --> 01:52:29,792
"with Atlantic Records,
2378
01:52:29,876 --> 01:52:31,125
with the CEO
of Atlantic Records."
2379
01:52:31,209 --> 01:52:32,751
I...
2380
01:52:32,834 --> 01:52:34,334
"Chris, shut up."
- [laughs]
2381
01:52:34,417 --> 01:52:36,417
- I'll never forget it,
I mean, it'll be...
2382
01:52:36,500 --> 01:52:38,834
one of those moments,
I'll be on my death bed
2383
01:52:38,918 --> 01:52:41,209
and I'll remember,
while all this was going on,
2384
01:52:41,292 --> 01:52:43,000
while Christian is literally--
his future
2385
01:52:43,083 --> 01:52:45,042
is on the line,
potentially going to prison,
2386
01:52:45,125 --> 01:52:47,417
the whole time,
he's taking an Uber
2387
01:52:47,500 --> 01:52:50,334
to midtown, negotiating a deal
2388
01:52:50,417 --> 01:52:53,709
with Atlantic Records,
and I had no idea.
2389
01:52:53,792 --> 01:52:55,167
- If I'm passionate
about something,
2390
01:52:55,250 --> 01:52:57,083
I can laser in,
and I don't care
2391
01:52:57,167 --> 01:52:59,459
what's in front of me
or how it's gonna happen,
2392
01:52:59,542 --> 01:53:01,792
I'll get it done.
2393
01:53:01,876 --> 01:53:03,542
I wanted to do my own label,
2394
01:53:03,626 --> 01:53:05,417
and it kind of went quickly
2395
01:53:05,500 --> 01:53:07,125
from the standpoint
of finding artists,
2396
01:53:07,209 --> 01:53:08,417
managing them,
2397
01:53:08,500 --> 01:53:10,667
and getting into
the right rooms
2398
01:53:10,751 --> 01:53:13,626
and just being blessed enough
and fortunate enough
2399
01:53:13,709 --> 01:53:16,626
to land a deal
of that magnitude
2400
01:53:16,709 --> 01:53:20,042
with the number one
record company in the world.
2401
01:53:20,125 --> 01:53:23,209
We have a joint venture deal
with Atlantic Records.
2402
01:53:23,292 --> 01:53:25,876
The name of the record company
2403
01:53:25,959 --> 01:53:28,626
that we created
is called Chosen.
2404
01:53:28,709 --> 01:53:30,459
I'm the CEO of Chosen.
2405
01:53:30,542 --> 01:53:33,876
- It's hard to get
a record deal.
2406
01:53:33,959 --> 01:53:36,375
Atlantic Records gave Christian
his own business,
2407
01:53:36,459 --> 01:53:37,709
a record label.
2408
01:53:37,792 --> 01:53:39,459
When you think about that,
2409
01:53:39,542 --> 01:53:42,876
it seems almost impossible
or unbelievable.
2410
01:53:42,959 --> 01:53:44,667
- And it was just like,
at that point,
2411
01:53:44,751 --> 01:53:46,834
nothing seemed real anymore.
[chuckles]
2412
01:53:46,918 --> 01:53:47,834
- It is reality.
2413
01:53:47,918 --> 01:53:50,667
I've got the money,
so it's reality now.
2414
01:53:50,751 --> 01:53:53,167
Listen, I think
I can do anything, so...
2415
01:53:53,250 --> 01:53:55,167
Maybe that's the gift I have.
2416
01:53:55,250 --> 01:53:56,709
I'm so naive
2417
01:53:56,792 --> 01:54:00,209
of what I am not supposed
to be able to do
2418
01:54:00,292 --> 01:54:02,250
that it's a blessing,
2419
01:54:02,334 --> 01:54:04,250
because I'm just like,
why can't I do it?
2420
01:54:04,334 --> 01:54:06,250
Why can't I start a label?
2421
01:54:06,334 --> 01:54:09,042
I didn't see anything
crazy about it.
2422
01:54:09,125 --> 01:54:12,250
I thought that, hey,
just gotta go try and get it,
2423
01:54:12,334 --> 01:54:17,250
and not fucking hiring
FBI agents to work with me.
2424
01:54:17,334 --> 01:54:19,834
- This is a letter
to the family
2425
01:54:19,918 --> 01:54:24,042
when he was trying to get out
of going to school, to college.
2426
01:54:24,125 --> 01:54:28,876
This is dated August 8th, 2012,
2427
01:54:28,959 --> 01:54:32,083
and the subject is,
"The Final Verdict."
2428
01:54:32,167 --> 01:54:35,083
It starts off, "I'm great.
2429
01:54:35,167 --> 01:54:37,542
I have a special gift
from God."
2430
01:54:37,626 --> 01:54:38,751
He's so crazy.
2431
01:54:38,834 --> 01:54:41,542
"I know this to be
factual information.
2432
01:54:41,626 --> 01:54:46,042
"It is rare for someone to be
as advanced as me at my age.
2433
01:54:46,125 --> 01:54:49,626
"I have a gift
that truly great ones have.
2434
01:54:49,709 --> 01:54:55,292
"I am in a class of people
like Gandhi, Barack Obama,
2435
01:54:55,375 --> 01:54:58,500
"Jay-Z, Martin Luther King,
2436
01:54:58,584 --> 01:55:00,918
"Tiger Woods, Dick Clark,
Michael Jackson,
2437
01:55:01,000 --> 01:55:04,250
"Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, etc.
2438
01:55:04,334 --> 01:55:06,584
"Revolutionary people
in their fields.
2439
01:55:06,667 --> 01:55:10,292
I'm gonna chase my dreams
24-7 every day."
2440
01:55:10,375 --> 01:55:12,417
He's so insane.
[laughs]
2441
01:55:12,500 --> 01:55:14,292
"And leave a impact
on the world."
2442
01:55:14,375 --> 01:55:16,250
♪ ♪
2443
01:55:16,334 --> 01:55:17,500
"I've had some success.
2444
01:55:17,584 --> 01:55:19,751
"A kid not even 20
was responsible
2445
01:55:19,834 --> 01:55:20,918
"for signing two pros.
2446
01:55:21,000 --> 01:55:22,417
"That's never happened before.
2447
01:55:22,500 --> 01:55:25,000
"Another record I broke--
the first being
2448
01:55:25,083 --> 01:55:27,250
"the youngest person ever
to get a shoe deal.
2449
01:55:27,334 --> 01:55:29,500
"Maybe I don't have too much
to show for it,
2450
01:55:29,584 --> 01:55:31,417
"but I will one day.
2451
01:55:31,500 --> 01:55:33,834
"To be clear,
this is what I plan to do.
2452
01:55:33,918 --> 01:55:36,500
"My focus is gonna be building
my management company,
2453
01:55:36,584 --> 01:55:37,876
"LOYD Management Company,
2454
01:55:37,959 --> 01:55:40,834
"into a sports
and entertainment empire.
2455
01:55:40,918 --> 01:55:43,167
"I have had some success,
and every day,
2456
01:55:43,250 --> 01:55:44,876
"I'm going to continue
to keep trying
2457
01:55:44,959 --> 01:55:47,125
"to grow my business
and make it happen.
2458
01:55:47,209 --> 01:55:49,626
"Relationships are everything
in my business.
2459
01:55:49,709 --> 01:55:51,626
"Every day, I will strengthen
the ones I have
2460
01:55:51,709 --> 01:55:53,292
and cultivate new ones."
2461
01:55:53,375 --> 01:55:56,626
[voice breaking]
This is so...
2462
01:55:56,709 --> 01:55:59,834
It's crazy how all of this
is coming together.
2463
01:55:59,918 --> 01:56:02,751
"At the end of the day,
just give me a year.
2464
01:56:02,834 --> 01:56:06,292
"If things don't go as planned,
I'll maybe do things
2465
01:56:06,375 --> 01:56:07,876
"in a more traditional way.
2466
01:56:07,959 --> 01:56:09,584
"Well, no, I won't.
2467
01:56:09,667 --> 01:56:11,417
"I'll just try harder
and grind it out
2468
01:56:11,500 --> 01:56:12,417
"for another year.
2469
01:56:12,500 --> 01:56:15,083
One day, it will happen."
2470
01:56:15,167 --> 01:56:18,292
♪ ♪
2471
01:56:18,375 --> 01:56:21,083
"Success isn't..."
[sniffs]
2472
01:56:21,167 --> 01:56:23,500
Can you read it right here?
2473
01:56:23,584 --> 01:56:24,834
"Success isn't..."
2474
01:56:24,918 --> 01:56:26,918
- "Success isn't an option
for me.
2475
01:56:27,000 --> 01:56:29,500
"That's why I always say
I'm rich,
2476
01:56:29,584 --> 01:56:31,500
"'cause one day, I will be,
2477
01:56:31,584 --> 01:56:33,542
"and I'm preparing
for that lifestyle now
2478
01:56:33,626 --> 01:56:35,542
"while I'm poor.
2479
01:56:35,626 --> 01:56:36,834
"I hope you guys understand.
2480
01:56:36,918 --> 01:56:38,500
"I love you.
2481
01:56:38,584 --> 01:56:39,667
You're the..."
2482
01:56:39,751 --> 01:56:41,626
- "Effin' best."
- "Effin' best."
2483
01:56:41,709 --> 01:56:48,709
♪ ♪
2484
01:56:51,959 --> 01:56:55,000
- Did I do anything wrong?
2485
01:57:02,000 --> 01:57:03,209
Yes and no.
2486
01:57:03,292 --> 01:57:06,417
I think...
2487
01:57:06,500 --> 01:57:09,042
I mean, we clearly weren't
following any rules.
2488
01:57:09,125 --> 01:57:11,709
Were any of the defendants
in the cases,
2489
01:57:11,792 --> 01:57:13,667
you know, waking up
to defraud people?
2490
01:57:13,751 --> 01:57:14,751
No.
2491
01:57:14,834 --> 01:57:16,375
I still can't believe
that the FBI
2492
01:57:16,459 --> 01:57:18,000
went through all of this
2493
01:57:18,083 --> 01:57:21,751
just to stop someone
from getting paid
2494
01:57:21,834 --> 01:57:23,042
what they're supposed
to get paid.
2495
01:57:23,125 --> 01:57:26,125
It's like, it just doesn't make
common sense to me.
2496
01:57:26,209 --> 01:57:28,250
If they think
this basketball shit is bad,
2497
01:57:28,334 --> 01:57:31,250
imagine how much money
football players can get.
2498
01:57:33,584 --> 01:57:37,500
- The moral of the story is,
fuck the NCAA.
2499
01:57:37,584 --> 01:57:40,459
How was that?
2500
01:57:40,542 --> 01:57:42,292
Good.
2501
01:57:42,375 --> 01:57:43,959
[laughs]
2502
01:57:44,042 --> 01:57:47,000
[epic music]
2503
01:57:47,083 --> 01:57:54,000
♪ ♪
2504
01:59:00,167 --> 01:59:01,709
announcer: This has been
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2505
01:59:01,792 --> 01:59:03,542
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