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-(quiet rumbling)
-(jet roaring)
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-(clicking)
-(indistinct announcement)
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-(airport chatter)
-Walter Cronkite:
When he got on a plane
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in Portland,
Oregon, last night,
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he was just
another passenger.
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But today, after hijacking
a Northwest Airlines jet,
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a description on
one wire service...
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master criminal.
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♪ ♪
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Reporter 1:
It was Thanksgiving Eve, 1971,
when a hijacker named
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DB Cooper parachuted
out of the tail door
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of a Northwest
Airlines 727...
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Reporter 2:
A daring parachute
escape somewhere
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between Reno
and Seattle, Washington.
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(helicopter hovering)
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Reporter 3:
The only unsolved
airplane hijacking
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in United States history.
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Man:
He demanded $200,000
and four parachutes.
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Then, he disappeared.
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Reporter 4:
They really didn't know
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if the hijacker parachuted
around here.
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Reporter 5:
The story begins there,
but how it ends?
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That's the mystery.
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Reporter 6:
But today, they still
could not explain
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what really happened
to DB Cooper.
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Reporter 7:
Leaving only the question,
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did the man
the world now knows
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as the legendary
DB Cooper live...
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or did he die?
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♪ ♪
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Bruce Smith:
DB Cooper.
Don't know his identity.
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Don't know where
he came from.
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Don't know what
happened to him.
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It's just one more
mystery after another.
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♪
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Marla Cooper:
I remembered my father
telling me this story.
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"Don't you remember?
He hijacked that airplane."
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Ben Anjewierden:
He ended up
being my roommate,
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and he talked an awful
lot about hijacking.
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Bernie Rhodes:
He knew that I was
closing in on him.
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Cooper:
The first thing that kind
of hit in my head was
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that looks like my dad.
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♪ ♪
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Geoffrey Gray:
It almost defied
the imagination.
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Defied the imagination
to do it...
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and defied the imagination
to get away with it.
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(birds chirping)
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John Dower:
DB Cooper.
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Sounds like he's been
a big part of your life.
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Yeah.
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It's used up a lot of good years
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that I could've
put somewhere else.
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That I should have
put somewhere else.
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And I lost a lot of my life.
I mean, you know...
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I wish he had never
told me anything.
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(slide projector clicking,
focusing)
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♪ ♪
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He treated me nice.
He...
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When he would dance with you,
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he knew exactly where to
put his hand on your back.
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I mean, it was... I'd never
been treated like a queen.
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(projector clicking)
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Dower:
What did you know
about his past life?
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Weber:
I didn't ask.
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If you love someone,
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the past is not important.
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(clicking)
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We were married
March the 27th, 1978.
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He died on
March the 28th, 1995.
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And that's where
the story starts.
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(clicking, focusing)
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He was in the hospital
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three days before he died.
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-(ECG beeping)
-(ventilator hissing)
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♪ ♪
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He had some kidney disease.
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At first, he allowed
them to dialysize him,
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and then he removed
himself from the machine.
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The doctors told him
he would be dead
within so many days.
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When you're like that,
you're going back into things.
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Your brain takes you
back to your memories.
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-(ventilator hissing)
-(ECG beeping)
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I went to adjust
his pillow,
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and then he tries
to tell me something.
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(inaudible)
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He kept on rambling,
rambling,
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"I buried a bucket
and I don't know where--
I can't find the bucket."
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-Tim Collins: Jo.
-Huh?
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You know it
better than I do.
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No, the day, the day
you brought him,
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you brought him
to the hospice care,
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-and you were helping
him put on his pants.
-Weber: Uh-huh.
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And you asked him
about his knee.
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Yeah. He said he hurt
it jumping out of a plane.
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Right. Then,
you got to hospice care...
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♪ ♪
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And when the nurses left,
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he wanted to
tell you a secret.
He says, "Come closer."
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-And you thought
he wanted a cigarette.
-Weber: Yeah.
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-Collins:
So start, start with that.
-Weber: Right.
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(beeping)
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He says, "Jo,
you and I've got to talk."
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(inaudible)
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He was trying to
tell me who he was.
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He says-- talking about
jump out of a plane.
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I said,
"You jump out of a plane?
Come on. Gimme a break."
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And that's when he...
I'm gonna say a bad word.
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That's when
he shouted, "Oh, fuck!
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Let it die with me."
Well, then they came in
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and started giving
him injections.
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He still kept trying
to tell me the story.
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I did not know what
he was talking about.
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Dower:
But there was one key
thing he said to you.
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"I'm Dan Cooper."
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(ECG continuous beep)
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♪ ♪
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Those were
his last words...
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except, "I love you."
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Dower:
What did you do next?
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Called the FBI.
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♪ ♪
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Narrator 1:
The jet age is now here.
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The advent of
commercial flying
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by jet clipper.
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Near sonic speed,
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but inside, one of
the most stunning
discoveries.
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There is no feeling
of movement at all.
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(jet whirring)
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Narrator 2:
Now, over 400 flights a day
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by 22 airlines serving
over 80 destinations.
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You'll find this airplane
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much more roomy than
the ones you've been used to.
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♪
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Narrator 3:
If this is what comes
with the coffee,
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you can imagine
what goes before.
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Tina Mucklow:
Let's see if I can
find anything else.
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Some letters...
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My name is Tina,
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and, um, I was hijacked
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many years ago.
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-Dower: There's you.
-Mucklow: And there's me.
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Think I must've been 20 or 21
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at the time of the hijacking.
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They painted the job as
being glamorous, and it...
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I guess, to a certain extent,
it was glamorous.
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Narrator:
When a Braniff International
hostess
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meets you on the airplane...
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she'll be dressed like this.
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♪ ♪
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Pilot:
I believe that
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for every dollar that
our passengers give us,
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they're gonna get $1.50
back in terms of service.
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We do it because we want to
and not because we have to.
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Mucklow:
We signed a contract
that we wouldn't gain
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over a certain
amount of weight,
but when I was hired,
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even if you were married
and you became pregnant,
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you had to resign.
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Plus one thing no other
airline can ever offer.
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Me.
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It was a different world.
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Another airplane
has been hijacked.
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This time by a gunman who
said he wanted to go to Cuba
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because he said he was
tired of TV dinners.
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♪ ♪
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John Chancellor:
Governments of Cuba
and the United States
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are talking about getting
together to curb hijacking.
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The only time American
planes go to Cuba
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is when
they've been hijacked.
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(siren blaring)
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William Rataczak:
There was a fair amount
of frequency of hijacks.
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Typically Cuban nationals
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who wanted to return
to their homeland.
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Everybody on the airplane
would get a bottle of rum
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and a couple of cigars
and got back on the airplane
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and flew home and thought
it was really a fun thing.
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But this one was
different because it was
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a hijacking demanding money.
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Bill Mitchell:
I was coming home
for Thanksgiving
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from the University of Oregon.
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I had run into
Portland Airport.
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I threw down cash.
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This is 50 years ago,
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and there was no...
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metal detectors.
It was just...
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a different era.
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Bob Fuhriman:
All you had to
have was a ticket
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to get on the flight.
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Dower:
Security?
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What? (laughs)
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(plane idling)
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Mitchell:
You just walked up
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the back steps of
the stairs and sat down.
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He sat
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in the middle seat
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on the back row on the right.
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This guy in this suit and tie,
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he had sunglasses on,
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and it was dark.
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And I thought...
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that's not very cool.
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Rataczak:
Florence Schaffner, the number
two stewardess, was...
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tending to the passengers
when they came in,
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helping them find their seats
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and magazine handouts
and what have you.
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Um, and he gave her this note.
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And she thought he
was hitting on her.
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So she tucked it in
her coat pocket,
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if you will,
her jacket pocket.
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Finally, he said,
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"Miss, I want you
to read that note."
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Just as we were starting
to roll down the runway...
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(PA announcement)
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the flight attendant
next to me, Flo,
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handed me this note,
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and it said, um,
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"Miss, you're, um...
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you're being hijacked.
I've got a bomb.
Come sit next to me."
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♪ ♪
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He opened the briefcase
and showed me that
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there were these,
what looked like, dynamite.
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They were strapped together
with electrician's tape,
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and out of it was running wire,
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and there was a large battery.
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And he also expressed
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that he wasn't going
to be taken alive.
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(plane chatter)
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Rataczak:
We were rolling
down the runway.
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All of a sudden, we hear chimes.
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-(chiming)
-One chime is usually,
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"Would you like
a cup of coffee?"
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Harold Anderson:
Immediately followed by
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a number of rings.
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-(ringing)
-Rataczak:
When a series of chimes rings,
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that is an emergency.
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And it was Tina Mucklow
that came on--
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on the interphone,
and she said,
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"We are being hijacked,
and I'm serious."
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But it was too late
to abort the takeoff.
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(jet engines roaring)
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♪ ♪
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Mitchell:
I did think, you know,
this is, I guess,
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my college sophomore ego.
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But I couldn't
quite figure out
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why this young
flight attendant
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would be sitting next
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and talking to this guy.
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Mucklow:
He had ordered
a drink, a bourbon.
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He was a smoker,
and I actually lit
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several of his cigarettes
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because he didn't wanna take
his finger off that trigger.
255
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I said a prayer
for the passengers,
256
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and for the crew, and...
257
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for the hijacker as well.
258
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Um, you know, I didn't know
what his history was.
259
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I wanted to run.
260
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But, you know, on a 727,
261
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there's no place to run.
262
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♪ ♪
263
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(insects chirping)
264
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-Dower: If you could
mentally time travel...
-Ron Forman: Yeah.
265
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Dower:
...go back to that
very first day.
266
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Pat Forman:
I was just hanging out at
the airport, as always,
267
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and Ron took
268
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a break, and he said,
269
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"Let's go over
and talk to that lady
270
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that's out there
on the field."
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♪ ♪
272
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Ron:
Every weekend,
if the weather was good,
273
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she was up flying.
And if it was a rainy day,
274
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she would just be
sitting in her car,
275
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you know, if it's pouring
down, always by herself.
276
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And I thought there was
something unusual about her,
277
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but I didn't know what,
278
00:13:55,209 --> 00:13:57,459
so that's why I decided,
let's go talk to her, right?
279
00:13:58,876 --> 00:14:01,167
And then,
Ron was telling her
280
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that he had just got
his pilot's license,
281
00:14:04,209 --> 00:14:07,000
and he was
actually flying
282
00:14:07,083 --> 00:14:09,209
for the Kiwanis Club
to build up hours
283
00:14:09,292 --> 00:14:11,125
to get
a commercial license.
284
00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,542
Dower:
And what was
she like as a pilot?
285
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-Pat: Oh, man. (laughs)
-Ron: Great.
286
00:14:17,292 --> 00:14:20,250
-She was great.
And she was daring.
-Pat: She was a great pilot.
287
00:14:20,334 --> 00:14:23,042
-She had all the talents,
I mean...
-She had all the talents.
288
00:14:23,125 --> 00:14:25,667
Pat:
She was parachuting.
289
00:14:25,751 --> 00:14:28,792
Ron:
Then, after that, she came
over every Sunday night.
290
00:14:28,876 --> 00:14:31,250
When she came over, after
we knew her a year, right?
291
00:14:31,334 --> 00:14:33,500
That's when she
told us, you know...
292
00:14:33,584 --> 00:14:35,083
You-you-you tell that story.
293
00:14:35,167 --> 00:14:37,876
♪ ♪
294
00:14:37,959 --> 00:14:42,125
Pat:
Well, she came over one
Sunday night, as usual.
295
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She said that
she had something
that she had to tell us.
296
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All of a sudden,
I had this funny feeling.
297
00:14:49,334 --> 00:14:51,083
It was really weird.
298
00:14:51,167 --> 00:14:53,334
I started forming
in my mind that...
299
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maybe she used
to be a man.
300
00:14:57,542 --> 00:15:00,834
Can that be possible?
Can they do that?
301
00:15:00,918 --> 00:15:02,876
Barb stopped talking in
the middle of talking,
302
00:15:02,959 --> 00:15:04,542
and she told Ron,
she says,
303
00:15:04,626 --> 00:15:06,959
"Well, your wife knows now."
304
00:15:07,042 --> 00:15:09,125
(laughs)
305
00:15:09,209 --> 00:15:11,542
Then she started telling
us all the details
306
00:15:11,626 --> 00:15:13,417
of what she had gone through,
307
00:15:13,500 --> 00:15:15,667
and why she had
gone through it.
308
00:15:17,167 --> 00:15:19,292
Ron:
She was the first woman
to have a sex change
309
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-in Washington.
-Dower: Or the first man.
310
00:15:21,334 --> 00:15:25,459
-Yeah, first man!
Yeah, first man. Yeah.
-(laughing)
311
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Dower:
What was she called before
she had the sex change?
312
00:15:28,834 --> 00:15:31,292
Pat:
Her name was Robert Dayton.
313
00:15:32,292 --> 00:15:33,334
(click)
314
00:15:33,417 --> 00:15:38,083
Dower:
How did DB Cooper
first come up?
315
00:15:38,167 --> 00:15:41,626
Pat:
The pilots always are
discussing DB Cooper.
316
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-Dower: Well it's this area?
-Ron: Yeah, it's this
area right here.
317
00:15:43,959 --> 00:15:47,042
And it's one of the,
you know, a great mystery,
you know?
318
00:15:47,125 --> 00:15:48,667
Pat:
Every time there
was an article
319
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that said that DB Cooper
was an idiot,
320
00:15:50,709 --> 00:15:52,667
-that he did stupid things...
-Common criminal.
321
00:15:52,751 --> 00:15:55,542
He was a common criminal,
she would actually get angry.
322
00:15:55,626 --> 00:15:56,959
♪ ♪
323
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-She just went off.
-Ron: She really
defended DB Cooper.
324
00:15:59,751 --> 00:16:01,042
I just looked at her,
325
00:16:01,125 --> 00:16:03,042
and I don't know
what made me say it,
I just said,
326
00:16:03,125 --> 00:16:06,375
"You know what?
I know who DB Cooper is.
It's Barb."
327
00:16:06,459 --> 00:16:07,834
And, man, all of a sudden,
328
00:16:07,918 --> 00:16:11,167
she just stared at me,
gave me a really dirty look.
329
00:16:11,250 --> 00:16:13,292
She says,
"Don't ever
say that again."
330
00:16:15,125 --> 00:16:17,334
So I thought that
was kinda unusual.
331
00:16:17,417 --> 00:16:20,042
-(birds chirping)
-(plane flying)
332
00:16:20,125 --> 00:16:21,792
And then, it was a few--
333
00:16:21,876 --> 00:16:24,667
-a week or two later, right?
She came over. And I...
-Pat: Right.
334
00:16:24,751 --> 00:16:27,751
happened to have a
newspaper article about it,
you know,
335
00:16:27,834 --> 00:16:30,000
with a picture of
DB Cooper, the sketch.
336
00:16:30,083 --> 00:16:32,709
I said, "Let me comb
your hair to the side."
337
00:16:32,792 --> 00:16:35,584
So we combed it to the side,
and we put sunglasses on,
338
00:16:35,667 --> 00:16:37,500
and we had one of
the old Instamatic cameras.
339
00:16:37,584 --> 00:16:40,792
You know, you take a picture,
and it develops.
340
00:16:40,876 --> 00:16:43,083
-(flash)
-We were watching it
develop,
341
00:16:43,167 --> 00:16:45,542
and I looked at the sketch,
and I said, "Jesus Christ."
342
00:16:45,626 --> 00:16:49,042
I said,
"She really matches.
343
00:16:49,125 --> 00:16:51,083
I think maybe
she is DB Cooper."
344
00:16:51,167 --> 00:16:52,459
♪ ♪
345
00:16:52,542 --> 00:16:54,042
Pat:
We had another couple here.
346
00:16:54,125 --> 00:16:56,959
Ron:
A couple here, too,
a young couple here, too.
347
00:16:57,042 --> 00:16:59,417
And we all kind of just were
sitting around the table
348
00:16:59,500 --> 00:17:01,751
with our mouths open,
watching her, like,
349
00:17:01,834 --> 00:17:05,500
what is she--
what is she doing here?
350
00:17:05,584 --> 00:17:07,334
And all of a sudden,
she realized
351
00:17:07,417 --> 00:17:10,375
nobody was talking.
We were all sitting
there staring at her.
352
00:17:10,459 --> 00:17:12,459
And then she,
353
00:17:12,542 --> 00:17:16,167
you know, she said,
"Well," she says, "Okay.
354
00:17:18,417 --> 00:17:21,626
I am Dan Cooper."
355
00:17:21,709 --> 00:17:24,542
Ron:
The couple that was
with us, she panicked.
356
00:17:24,626 --> 00:17:26,459
-She just started screaming.
-(screaming)
357
00:17:26,542 --> 00:17:28,167
"We're all going to jail now,"
you know.
358
00:17:28,250 --> 00:17:30,292
And she just
went into a panic,
and she just tore it
359
00:17:30,375 --> 00:17:32,042
into little bitty pieces.
360
00:17:32,125 --> 00:17:34,334
Threw it down,
and they went home.
361
00:17:34,417 --> 00:17:36,959
♪ ♪
362
00:17:37,042 --> 00:17:40,083
We just spent another
sleepless night
363
00:17:40,167 --> 00:17:42,751
just like we did
when she told us
364
00:17:42,834 --> 00:17:45,918
she was a man
because we were...
365
00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,542
what if this is true?
I mean,
366
00:17:48,626 --> 00:17:50,209
what if, uh,
367
00:17:50,292 --> 00:17:51,626
she starts
thinking about it,
368
00:17:51,709 --> 00:17:53,751
and she just told us this,
and she comes back here
369
00:17:53,834 --> 00:17:56,834
-and kills us? (laughs)
-Yeah, 'cause we know
this secret, you know.
370
00:17:56,918 --> 00:18:00,167
(projector clicking, whirring)
371
00:18:00,250 --> 00:18:03,334
Pat:
I don't think I wanted
to believe it actually.
372
00:18:06,500 --> 00:18:08,292
♪ ♪
373
00:18:08,375 --> 00:18:11,959
But then there kept being more
and more and more things
374
00:18:12,042 --> 00:18:15,250
that were popping up.
375
00:18:15,334 --> 00:18:18,709
Then she started giving
us details about the jump.
376
00:18:18,792 --> 00:18:21,250
She said she jumped
from 10,000 feet.
377
00:18:21,334 --> 00:18:24,375
She kept the chute.
She didn't open
the chute till 1,000 feet.
378
00:18:24,459 --> 00:18:27,292
Pat:
She told us that she had tied
379
00:18:27,375 --> 00:18:30,626
-the money belt
around her waist...
-The strap around.
380
00:18:30,709 --> 00:18:32,751
...in a manner that, um,
381
00:18:32,834 --> 00:18:35,167
-she could use it
as a depth finder.
-Depth finder.
382
00:18:36,542 --> 00:18:39,626
And she described the dynamite
to us, too, right?
383
00:18:39,709 --> 00:18:42,042
And I said, "Was it
real dynamite, Barb?"
384
00:18:42,125 --> 00:18:43,792
"I don't do anything
phony," she said.
385
00:18:43,876 --> 00:18:46,083
-Got mad at me
because I brought that up.
-(laughing)
386
00:18:46,167 --> 00:18:48,209
♪ ♪
387
00:18:48,292 --> 00:18:52,209
Pat:
She told us that she landed
in the field near Woodburn.
388
00:18:52,292 --> 00:18:55,876
Which is a perfect place.
There is the Interstate 5,
389
00:18:55,959 --> 00:18:57,918
the freeway,
there's lights there.
390
00:18:58,000 --> 00:18:59,584
Did the jump,
changed her clothes,
391
00:18:59,667 --> 00:19:01,167
took off her suit and tie,
392
00:19:01,250 --> 00:19:03,667
put a blonde wig on.
393
00:19:03,751 --> 00:19:05,042
A policeman
could've picked her up.
394
00:19:05,125 --> 00:19:06,918
Could've hitchhiked home,
they would have never--
395
00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,083
She's got a wig on.
She's a woman.
396
00:19:09,167 --> 00:19:11,542
Who's gonna--
who's gonna stop her?
397
00:19:20,417 --> 00:19:24,334
♪ ♪
398
00:19:24,417 --> 00:19:26,209
Dower:
So what happened next?
399
00:19:27,626 --> 00:19:32,250
Anderson:
Well, once we got
into the climb,
400
00:19:32,334 --> 00:19:34,751
Florence Schaffner
came up to the cockpit
401
00:19:34,834 --> 00:19:38,334
with the other note that had
all of the demands on it.
402
00:19:41,292 --> 00:19:45,459
$200,000 in
negotiable currency,
403
00:19:46,500 --> 00:19:47,918
four parachutes,
404
00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,042
fuel truck standing by,
405
00:19:51,209 --> 00:19:54,167
and, "no fuzz."
406
00:19:54,250 --> 00:19:57,209
Rataczak:
That got us thinking that
407
00:19:57,292 --> 00:20:00,167
this guy is no dummy.
Four parachutes.
408
00:20:00,250 --> 00:20:03,209
One for him,
and one for each one of us.
409
00:20:03,292 --> 00:20:05,292
That was our concern that
410
00:20:05,375 --> 00:20:08,751
he wanted us to bail with him.
411
00:20:08,834 --> 00:20:13,417
I get a hold of our company
in Seattle on our
412
00:20:13,500 --> 00:20:15,000
discrete frequency,
413
00:20:15,083 --> 00:20:18,292
and tell them what's going on.
414
00:20:18,375 --> 00:20:20,959
So, the FBI was involved stat.
415
00:20:21,042 --> 00:20:23,834
-(phones ringing)
-(office chatter)
416
00:20:23,918 --> 00:20:25,792
Fuhriman:
I remember being in the office,
417
00:20:25,876 --> 00:20:29,876
and all of a sudden,
over the PA system,
came an announcement.
418
00:20:29,959 --> 00:20:32,000
Man (on PA):
Attention all agents.
419
00:20:32,083 --> 00:20:33,667
We've had a hijacking.
420
00:20:33,751 --> 00:20:35,417
Then a few minutes later,
the boss,
421
00:20:35,500 --> 00:20:36,959
the special agent in charge,
422
00:20:37,042 --> 00:20:38,459
came out of his office
and grabbed me.
423
00:20:38,542 --> 00:20:40,751
He says, "You're driving me
to the airport. Let's go."
424
00:20:40,834 --> 00:20:43,918
♪ ♪
425
00:20:45,542 --> 00:20:47,876
In any hijacking,
or a case like that,
426
00:20:47,959 --> 00:20:50,417
potentially lives
are at stake.
427
00:20:50,500 --> 00:20:51,918
But I just remember
he was saying,
428
00:20:52,042 --> 00:20:53,834
"Get me there. Let's go."
429
00:20:53,918 --> 00:20:56,709
(plane humming)
430
00:20:56,792 --> 00:20:59,500
I asked Scotty, I said,
"Scotty, do you think
I should make a PA
431
00:20:59,584 --> 00:21:02,542
"and kinda keep people from
roaming around the airplane
432
00:21:02,626 --> 00:21:04,042
while we're trying to
get organized here?"
433
00:21:04,125 --> 00:21:06,083
And he said,
"I think that's a good idea."
434
00:21:07,542 --> 00:21:10,083
My mother and dad told
me never to lie, but...
435
00:21:11,250 --> 00:21:13,125
I told a fib,
436
00:21:13,209 --> 00:21:15,792
and I told them that
we had a mechanical problem,
437
00:21:15,876 --> 00:21:17,292
but it was no
great consequence.
438
00:21:17,375 --> 00:21:18,959
It was just something
that we're gonna--
439
00:21:19,042 --> 00:21:20,876
We're gonna go up into
a holding pattern,
440
00:21:20,959 --> 00:21:23,959
most passengers will
refer to it as circling.
441
00:21:24,042 --> 00:21:26,667
(engines roaring)
442
00:21:26,751 --> 00:21:29,292
-(siren blaring)
-Fuhriman: We had no plan.
443
00:21:29,375 --> 00:21:31,500
The boss is talking to
Northwest Airline people,
444
00:21:31,584 --> 00:21:33,751
the airport people,
the airport police.
445
00:21:33,834 --> 00:21:35,876
Everybody was coordinating
who's gonna do what,
446
00:21:35,959 --> 00:21:38,209
how do we handle this?
What do we do?
447
00:21:38,292 --> 00:21:40,626
(engines roaring)
448
00:21:42,584 --> 00:21:44,083
Mucklow:
I did ask him
449
00:21:44,167 --> 00:21:46,542
did he have a grudge
with the airline.
450
00:21:46,626 --> 00:21:48,042
(inaudible)
451
00:21:48,125 --> 00:21:50,751
He said, "No.
I don't have a grudge
452
00:21:50,834 --> 00:21:53,459
with the airline,
but I do have a grudge."
453
00:21:53,542 --> 00:21:56,584
♪
454
00:22:02,751 --> 00:22:03,709
(tires screech)
455
00:22:03,792 --> 00:22:06,459
♪ ♪
456
00:22:06,542 --> 00:22:08,792
Fuhriman:
Upon landing in Seattle,
457
00:22:08,876 --> 00:22:10,667
the money,
458
00:22:10,751 --> 00:22:13,209
the parachutes were brought out.
459
00:22:14,417 --> 00:22:16,167
One of the flight attendants
460
00:22:16,250 --> 00:22:18,209
was allowed to get off
and pick those up.
461
00:22:21,667 --> 00:22:23,083
I got the money,
462
00:22:23,167 --> 00:22:25,417
brought it back to him.
463
00:22:25,500 --> 00:22:27,584
And then, we asked
464
00:22:27,667 --> 00:22:30,751
if he would allow
the passengers off.
465
00:22:30,834 --> 00:22:32,959
And once he had the money,
466
00:22:33,042 --> 00:22:35,292
he was okay with
passengers getting off.
467
00:22:35,375 --> 00:22:37,918
(siren blaring)
468
00:22:41,125 --> 00:22:43,292
Mitchell:
It was dark, rainy...
469
00:22:45,167 --> 00:22:47,042
and we are...
470
00:22:47,125 --> 00:22:49,918
miles away from
Sea-Tac terminal.
471
00:22:51,167 --> 00:22:54,709
A stairs came up,
portable stairs.
472
00:22:54,792 --> 00:22:56,918
And as we all walked down,
473
00:22:57,042 --> 00:22:58,876
we were all kinda
standing there,
474
00:22:58,959 --> 00:23:01,667
and somebody on the plane said,
475
00:23:01,751 --> 00:23:04,792
"Hey, we--
we were hijacked."
476
00:23:04,876 --> 00:23:06,792
We didn't know
anything was happening.
477
00:23:06,876 --> 00:23:08,250
Nobody knew anything
was happening.
478
00:23:08,334 --> 00:23:10,375
-Reporter: When did
you find out?
-After we landed.
479
00:23:10,459 --> 00:23:11,751
When they brought
the money aboard.
480
00:23:11,834 --> 00:23:15,125
The crew kept us ignorant
of what was taking place,
481
00:23:15,209 --> 00:23:17,209
I guess to avoid a panic.
482
00:23:17,292 --> 00:23:19,375
And so, we really didn't
know what was taking place.
483
00:23:19,459 --> 00:23:21,626
We cruised around for two
and a half hours up there.
484
00:23:21,709 --> 00:23:24,751
Wasn't until
we got off the plane,
got near a vehicle,
485
00:23:24,834 --> 00:23:27,417
and it looked like a money
bag was being handed over.
486
00:23:27,500 --> 00:23:29,417
I then thought of a statement
487
00:23:29,500 --> 00:23:33,375
that I'd heard early on right
as we were just in the air
488
00:23:33,459 --> 00:23:35,792
a few minutes when one
of the stewardesses said,
489
00:23:35,876 --> 00:23:38,751
"Keep the curtain
open so he can see."
490
00:23:39,584 --> 00:23:42,250
(birds cawing)
491
00:23:46,375 --> 00:23:48,000
Dower:
Nice room.
492
00:23:48,083 --> 00:23:50,751
It's very, um, "Twin Peaks."
493
00:23:51,626 --> 00:23:54,125
(Cooper laughs)
494
00:23:54,209 --> 00:23:57,209
Cooper:
Well, back when that
show as on, apparently,
495
00:23:57,292 --> 00:23:58,792
I looked a lot
like the dead girl.
496
00:23:58,876 --> 00:24:00,626
And I would
hear it all the time.
"You look like
497
00:24:00,709 --> 00:24:02,959
the dead girl in 'Twin Peaks.'"
(laughs)
498
00:24:03,751 --> 00:24:05,751
Dower:
Now...
499
00:24:05,834 --> 00:24:07,876
why am I here,
sitting talking to you?
500
00:24:07,959 --> 00:24:11,125
What's, what's your--
Where do you come
into the story?
501
00:24:11,209 --> 00:24:13,500
♪ ♪
502
00:24:13,584 --> 00:24:15,876
Cooper:
It was 1971.
503
00:24:15,959 --> 00:24:19,792
We were back in my
grandmother's home in Oregon,
504
00:24:19,876 --> 00:24:22,667
a couple days
before Thanksgiving.
505
00:24:22,751 --> 00:24:26,375
And my uncles,
LD and Dewey, are there.
506
00:24:26,459 --> 00:24:28,834
(projector clicking, focusing)
507
00:24:32,542 --> 00:24:34,751
I was always
intrigued by them.
508
00:24:34,834 --> 00:24:36,459
They were really rowdy.
509
00:24:36,542 --> 00:24:39,167
And on this particular
Thanksgiving,
510
00:24:39,250 --> 00:24:41,959
we go out in the woods near
my grandmother's house,
511
00:24:42,042 --> 00:24:46,000
and I'm walking along
with Uncle LD,
just shadowing him.
512
00:24:46,083 --> 00:24:47,792
(birds chirping)
513
00:24:47,876 --> 00:24:52,000
I had a great
affection for him.
514
00:24:52,083 --> 00:24:55,626
He was a very sweet man
and...
515
00:24:55,709 --> 00:24:59,167
always my favorite
in my dad's family.
516
00:25:00,626 --> 00:25:02,709
They were talking about
517
00:25:02,792 --> 00:25:04,918
something they were plotting,
and I,
518
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,250
I said, "What are you doing?
What are you up to?
519
00:25:07,334 --> 00:25:08,751
What's going on?"
520
00:25:08,834 --> 00:25:11,584
-(dogs barking)
-And they said, "Oh,
521
00:25:11,667 --> 00:25:13,792
we're gonna go hunting
tomorrow morning."
522
00:25:13,876 --> 00:25:15,167
I said, "Are you
going turkey hunting?
523
00:25:15,250 --> 00:25:17,083
Because it's almost
Thanksgiving,
524
00:25:17,167 --> 00:25:19,500
and I'm really looking
forward to a turkey.
525
00:25:19,584 --> 00:25:21,959
And, and they kinda laughed.
526
00:25:22,042 --> 00:25:23,417
"Yeah, we're gonna go--
527
00:25:23,500 --> 00:25:25,209
we're gonna go shoot us
a great big turkey."
528
00:25:25,292 --> 00:25:27,042
And they're just sort of
playing a game
529
00:25:27,125 --> 00:25:28,542
of mental keep-away with me.
530
00:25:28,626 --> 00:25:30,626
Like they've got a secret.
What they're telling me
531
00:25:30,709 --> 00:25:33,959
is not the whole truth,
and so I keep probing,
532
00:25:34,042 --> 00:25:35,834
trying to get
information out of them,
533
00:25:35,918 --> 00:25:37,709
and they're not
talking about it.
534
00:25:37,792 --> 00:25:40,459
They're just taunting me with
this story of a turkey hunt.
535
00:25:42,709 --> 00:25:47,417
And so early the next morning,
I'm waiting in the driveway.
536
00:25:47,500 --> 00:25:49,792
And they came driving up,
and I came
537
00:25:49,876 --> 00:25:52,125
running to the side of the car.
538
00:25:52,209 --> 00:25:55,292
♪ ♪
539
00:25:57,083 --> 00:25:59,959
And I looked in
the passenger seat,
540
00:26:00,042 --> 00:26:02,667
and there was my Uncle LD,
541
00:26:02,751 --> 00:26:06,334
in a white T-shirt that
had blood all over it,
542
00:26:06,417 --> 00:26:08,500
and he's nearly unconscious.
543
00:26:08,584 --> 00:26:11,417
♪ ♪
544
00:26:11,500 --> 00:26:15,751
"Daddy, Daddy!
Come out here!
Uncle LD's hurt!"
545
00:26:15,834 --> 00:26:18,417
And my dad came running
out of the house,
546
00:26:18,500 --> 00:26:21,042
and ordered me
to go back inside.
547
00:26:21,125 --> 00:26:22,709
But I didn't go back inside.
548
00:26:24,459 --> 00:26:27,334
-(barking)
-And then I heard
Uncle Dewey say,
549
00:26:27,417 --> 00:26:29,959
"Well, we did it.
We hijacked the airplane.
550
00:26:31,500 --> 00:26:33,959
We're rich. Our money
problems are over."
551
00:26:35,250 --> 00:26:38,209
As soon as my uncles left,
my dad sat me down,
552
00:26:38,292 --> 00:26:41,792
and he swore me to secrecy,
telling me
553
00:26:41,876 --> 00:26:43,500
it's a matter of life and death.
554
00:26:43,584 --> 00:26:46,292
"You cannot talk about
this to anybody."
555
00:26:51,626 --> 00:26:54,250
I was 8 years old, and now,
556
00:26:54,334 --> 00:26:55,959
I am left
557
00:26:56,042 --> 00:26:58,375
with keeping a secret that
558
00:26:58,459 --> 00:27:02,125
one of them is hurt
horribly, and...
559
00:27:03,542 --> 00:27:07,542
and not able to talk about
what I'd seen that morning.
560
00:27:07,626 --> 00:27:10,292
(engines roaring)
561
00:27:14,083 --> 00:27:17,167
♪ ♪
562
00:27:19,292 --> 00:27:21,918
Fuhriman:
We know the destination was
supposed to be Reno, Nevada,
563
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,250
and he wanted to go
further south from that,
564
00:27:24,334 --> 00:27:27,209
I believe into
Mexico as I recall.
565
00:27:27,292 --> 00:27:28,959
But... (clears throat)
566
00:27:29,751 --> 00:27:31,125
we didn't know.
567
00:27:34,626 --> 00:27:36,542
Rataczak:
I guess I said
something about,
568
00:27:36,626 --> 00:27:39,459
"Oh goody. Maybe he
wants to go to Acapulco.
569
00:27:39,542 --> 00:27:40,834
(laughs)
570
00:27:40,918 --> 00:27:43,292
That beats Seattle
on a rainy night."
571
00:27:43,375 --> 00:27:45,334
-(radio chatter)
-We got rid of the people.
572
00:27:45,417 --> 00:27:48,000
We got rid of two of
the three stewardesses.
573
00:27:48,083 --> 00:27:51,667
We have a supposedly calm...
574
00:27:51,751 --> 00:27:53,250
guy back there,
575
00:27:53,334 --> 00:27:55,250
and Tina is still there.
576
00:27:57,709 --> 00:28:00,751
Mucklow:
I brought him to the back
of the airplane.
577
00:28:00,834 --> 00:28:03,375
I was trying to keep him,
578
00:28:03,459 --> 00:28:05,584
and probably myself,
579
00:28:05,667 --> 00:28:08,542
grounded (laughs)
and calm.
580
00:28:10,292 --> 00:28:14,876
Whenever I could, I tried
to engage the intercom,
581
00:28:14,959 --> 00:28:16,751
and I would just
leave it engaged,
582
00:28:16,834 --> 00:28:18,834
so the cockpit could hear
583
00:28:18,918 --> 00:28:21,417
some of the conversation
that was going on.
584
00:28:23,125 --> 00:28:27,834
So I think they were aware
that his anxiety was going up
585
00:28:27,918 --> 00:28:31,500
as the time lapsed.
586
00:28:31,584 --> 00:28:35,083
♪ ♪
587
00:28:35,167 --> 00:28:36,959
Rataczak:
The hijacker demanded
588
00:28:37,042 --> 00:28:39,584
the airplane flew in
at 10,000 feet.
589
00:28:39,667 --> 00:28:42,250
"I want the flaps down
and the gear down."
590
00:28:42,334 --> 00:28:45,000
Dower:
Do you remember what your
reaction in the cockpit
591
00:28:45,083 --> 00:28:47,417
-to those instructions were?
-(chiming)
592
00:28:47,500 --> 00:28:48,959
Well, it was quite obvious
593
00:28:49,042 --> 00:28:51,250
he was going to jump
out of the airplane.
594
00:28:54,500 --> 00:28:57,584
Rataczak:
Our biggest concern was
how it was going to fly
595
00:28:57,667 --> 00:28:59,918
when and if he
lowered the stairs,
596
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,709
which he seemed like he
was intent on doing now.
597
00:29:04,876 --> 00:29:06,709
Mucklow:
He wanted me to
598
00:29:07,584 --> 00:29:10,083
open the airstairs.
599
00:29:10,167 --> 00:29:14,542
Rataczak:
There is a bulkhead
door that opens inward,
600
00:29:14,626 --> 00:29:18,000
and it's very noisy
when that door was open.
601
00:29:18,083 --> 00:29:20,542
Mucklow:
At that point, he just said,
602
00:29:20,626 --> 00:29:23,751
"I'll do it.
You go up front."
603
00:29:23,834 --> 00:29:26,500
Rataczak:
And all of a sudden,
the cockpit door opens,
604
00:29:26,584 --> 00:29:28,918
and it's Tina.
And I said, "Tina,
605
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,459
"I've never been
so happy in my life
606
00:29:30,542 --> 00:29:33,292
to see a young lady as you."
607
00:29:33,375 --> 00:29:35,000
-(cranking)
-(alarm blaring)
608
00:29:35,083 --> 00:29:37,751
So he's taken over
the telephone back there.
609
00:29:37,834 --> 00:29:40,709
So the first thing we hear is
610
00:29:40,792 --> 00:29:44,083
-he's got the door open.
-(alarm continues)
611
00:29:44,167 --> 00:29:45,918
Now it gets really noisy.
612
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,792
-(rattling loudly)
-And so,
613
00:29:48,876 --> 00:29:51,334
he's...
614
00:29:51,417 --> 00:29:54,083
(PA, distorted):
"I can't get the,
the stairs down.
615
00:29:54,167 --> 00:29:57,334
I can't get the stairs down.
The stairs won't open up."
616
00:29:57,417 --> 00:29:59,042
(undistorted, imitates wind)
All this noise.
617
00:29:59,125 --> 00:30:02,042
Because the stairs
will not come down
618
00:30:02,125 --> 00:30:04,584
all the way because
there's too much wind.
619
00:30:04,667 --> 00:30:06,459
♪ ♪
620
00:30:06,542 --> 00:30:09,667
We slowed the airplane down,
and I got on the phone
then and said,
621
00:30:09,751 --> 00:30:12,209
"Alright, now you should
be able to lower the stairs."
622
00:30:12,292 --> 00:30:15,584
-(wind blowing)
-(alarm blaring)
623
00:30:17,876 --> 00:30:19,792
(mechanical whirring)
624
00:30:19,876 --> 00:30:22,209
Then we got a big bump.
625
00:30:22,292 --> 00:30:26,000
-(loud bang)
-Rataczak:
We felt those stairs
626
00:30:26,083 --> 00:30:29,250
bounce back and closed,
627
00:30:29,334 --> 00:30:31,459
and we felt a pressure
bump in our ears.
628
00:30:31,542 --> 00:30:34,792
-(engines whining)
-(rattling, wind blowing)
629
00:30:39,167 --> 00:30:42,250
Anderson:
Bill turned around and said,
630
00:30:42,334 --> 00:30:44,918
and he said this
over the air...
631
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,751
Mark your screens
632
00:30:46,834 --> 00:30:49,626
'cause I think our friend
just took leave of us.
633
00:30:49,709 --> 00:30:52,876
-(rattling)
-(alarm blaring)
634
00:31:00,918 --> 00:31:04,042
(alarm fades away)
635
00:31:06,292 --> 00:31:08,918
♪ ♪
636
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,042
(traffic noise)
637
00:31:13,959 --> 00:31:16,209
Fuhriman:
Seattle had just gone
through what they called
638
00:31:16,292 --> 00:31:18,292
the Great Boeing Bust.
639
00:31:18,375 --> 00:31:21,292
It was a Boeing town largely.
640
00:31:21,375 --> 00:31:25,584
And so, when Boeing laid off
something like 60,000 people,
641
00:31:25,667 --> 00:31:29,125
it just devastated
the whole city.
642
00:31:32,375 --> 00:31:34,834
Man:
This is in anticipation
643
00:31:34,918 --> 00:31:38,209
of early direction from
the Department of Transportation
644
00:31:38,292 --> 00:31:40,250
to close the program down.
645
00:31:43,042 --> 00:31:46,125
Fuhriman:
The economy was hurting.
646
00:31:46,209 --> 00:31:48,209
In fact, there was
a billboard that we saw
647
00:31:48,292 --> 00:31:50,292
when we drove into
town that said,
648
00:31:50,375 --> 00:31:54,083
"Will the last person
out of Seattle
turn out the lights."
649
00:31:56,834 --> 00:31:59,834
Gray:
You think about the time in
which the jump took place.
650
00:32:01,209 --> 00:32:02,292
Poverty.
651
00:32:02,375 --> 00:32:04,834
People, especially in
the Pacific Northwest,
652
00:32:04,918 --> 00:32:06,375
were losing their jobs.
653
00:32:06,459 --> 00:32:08,334
They're losing their
jobs to big machines.
654
00:32:08,417 --> 00:32:10,918
They're losing their
jobs to corporations.
655
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,209
(clicking)
656
00:32:12,292 --> 00:32:15,792
So along comes Cooper,
who sticks it to everybody,
657
00:32:15,876 --> 00:32:18,792
and walks away
with the cash scot-free.
658
00:32:18,876 --> 00:32:21,083
And so, I think
the Robin Hood element
659
00:32:21,167 --> 00:32:23,876
represented
an act of defiance.
660
00:32:23,959 --> 00:32:26,125
I think he's one of the slickest
cats that ever walked
661
00:32:26,209 --> 00:32:27,542
on the face of
the Earth right now.
662
00:32:27,626 --> 00:32:29,292
-Reporter: You think
he's sort of a hero?
-Oh, sure.
663
00:32:29,375 --> 00:32:32,125
I just think that any time that
a fellow's got this much nerve,
664
00:32:32,209 --> 00:32:33,792
and is successful this far that
665
00:32:33,876 --> 00:32:35,459
everybody's kinda rooting
for him a little bit.
666
00:32:35,542 --> 00:32:38,626
But, uh, the man's
beat the system
so to speak a little bit.
667
00:32:38,709 --> 00:32:42,042
And I respect a man
who takes his time
668
00:32:42,125 --> 00:32:44,125
to do a job well done.
669
00:32:44,209 --> 00:32:45,542
(clicking)
670
00:32:45,626 --> 00:32:47,709
Gray:
The cult of Cooper started
671
00:32:47,792 --> 00:32:50,459
before the plane even landed.
672
00:32:52,751 --> 00:32:55,375
Even though it was a crime,
there's a whole community
673
00:32:55,459 --> 00:32:57,834
of people who are
obsessed with this story.
674
00:32:57,918 --> 00:33:00,876
♪ ♪
675
00:33:00,959 --> 00:33:03,584
(birds chirping)
676
00:33:03,667 --> 00:33:06,626
Jerry Thomas:
I started walking
these woods
677
00:33:06,709 --> 00:33:08,375
back in 1988.
678
00:33:09,584 --> 00:33:14,292
That's about
31 years now total.
679
00:33:14,375 --> 00:33:16,417
Dower:
How much area
have you covered?
680
00:33:16,500 --> 00:33:19,250
Oh, more than
I care to remember.
681
00:33:19,334 --> 00:33:21,667
(birds chirping)
682
00:33:21,751 --> 00:33:25,250
Dower:
And how would you
describe the terrain?
683
00:33:25,334 --> 00:33:27,125
Thomas:
Oh, man.
684
00:33:27,209 --> 00:33:30,000
Gotta be some of the roughest
terrain on Earth.
685
00:33:33,834 --> 00:33:37,042
You're not gonna be looking
for a body at this point.
686
00:33:37,125 --> 00:33:41,751
At this point, you're gonna
be looking for a parachute.
687
00:33:41,834 --> 00:33:43,876
That's what you're looking for.
688
00:33:45,334 --> 00:33:49,292
Dower:
So you've spent
31 years looking,
689
00:33:49,375 --> 00:33:52,584
not for DB Cooper,
but for his parachute.
690
00:33:52,667 --> 00:33:54,876
Thomas:
Right.
691
00:33:54,959 --> 00:33:57,250
He didn't make it
out alive that night.
692
00:33:57,334 --> 00:34:00,209
That's an impossible
thing for him to do.
He died that night.
693
00:34:00,292 --> 00:34:03,375
-Dower: You believe.
-I know.
694
00:34:03,459 --> 00:34:05,792
I served in the military
for 20 years.
695
00:34:05,876 --> 00:34:08,000
I enjoyed it. I miss it,
696
00:34:08,083 --> 00:34:10,209
basically.
697
00:34:11,334 --> 00:34:12,292
That's about it.
698
00:34:12,375 --> 00:34:14,751
-Dower: Vietnam?
-Yeah.
699
00:34:14,834 --> 00:34:16,626
-Dower: Special Forces?
-Thomas: Yeah.
700
00:34:16,709 --> 00:34:18,209
♪ ♪
701
00:34:18,292 --> 00:34:20,834
I got out of the military,
and I didn't really...
702
00:34:21,959 --> 00:34:24,584
I just didn't fit in.
703
00:34:26,167 --> 00:34:29,584
I withdrew. I lived off
the grid for 10 years.
704
00:34:29,667 --> 00:34:34,667
I didn't really care that much
to be around a lot of people.
705
00:34:34,751 --> 00:34:36,626
Dower:
And what do you think
about when you're,
706
00:34:36,709 --> 00:34:40,667
you know, walking
the woods out here?
707
00:34:40,751 --> 00:34:44,292
Thomas:
Actually, not really much of
anything. Just a blank mind
708
00:34:44,375 --> 00:34:47,834
to keep my, um,
train of thought
709
00:34:47,918 --> 00:34:52,083
as to what's beneath my feet.
710
00:34:52,167 --> 00:34:54,834
Dower:
If he died out here,
would you not have found him?
711
00:34:54,918 --> 00:34:56,751
Thomas:
No, not necessarily.
712
00:34:56,834 --> 00:35:00,167
There was a man that crashed
his aircraft up here.
713
00:35:00,250 --> 00:35:03,167
A hunter found his skull
714
00:35:03,250 --> 00:35:06,042
and parts of the aircraft
60 years later.
715
00:35:06,125 --> 00:35:07,751
Now, you tell me.
716
00:35:09,209 --> 00:35:10,626
(chirping)
717
00:35:10,709 --> 00:35:12,709
I just would like to
see this case solved.
718
00:35:12,792 --> 00:35:15,209
I don't care who solves it.
719
00:35:15,292 --> 00:35:18,542
But, um, oh, yeah,
I'll keep looking.
720
00:35:22,292 --> 00:35:26,000
Dower:
How would it be possible for
him to land without any trace?
721
00:35:28,250 --> 00:35:30,042
You know...
722
00:35:30,125 --> 00:35:33,792
in that area of the country...
723
00:35:33,876 --> 00:35:36,500
under good conditions,
or even under bad conditions
724
00:35:36,584 --> 00:35:38,000
like the ones he jumped in,
725
00:35:38,083 --> 00:35:40,626
if he were able to
hit an open space
726
00:35:40,709 --> 00:35:43,000
and land and recover
the parachute,
727
00:35:43,083 --> 00:35:45,042
get up and walk away,
728
00:35:45,125 --> 00:35:47,375
it's very possible.
729
00:35:47,459 --> 00:35:50,334
There were other episodes
that followed,
one in particular
730
00:35:50,417 --> 00:35:52,334
involving a guy
named Richard McCoy
731
00:35:52,417 --> 00:35:54,417
where he did a similar thing,
where he jumped
732
00:35:54,500 --> 00:35:58,000
out of an airplane
and was able to survive.
733
00:35:58,083 --> 00:36:01,167
♪ ♪
734
00:36:04,417 --> 00:36:07,167
(traffic noise)
735
00:36:11,918 --> 00:36:13,083
(thunder rumbling)
736
00:36:13,167 --> 00:36:16,792
Dower:
How did you know
Richard Floyd McCoy?
737
00:36:16,876 --> 00:36:20,250
Anjewierden:
We were in
the National Guard together.
738
00:36:20,334 --> 00:36:22,876
I was in the Special Forces,
739
00:36:22,959 --> 00:36:26,834
and he was in the engineers,
but quite often,
740
00:36:26,918 --> 00:36:28,751
he'd come and fly with us.
741
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,375
And McCoy was a fun
one to fly with.
742
00:36:32,459 --> 00:36:35,083
He was very adventurous.
743
00:36:36,334 --> 00:36:39,542
He was a Mormon,
and he was...
744
00:36:40,918 --> 00:36:44,584
a group leader in Vietnam.
745
00:36:44,667 --> 00:36:47,709
Dower:
And he was a war hero
as well, wasn't he?
746
00:36:47,792 --> 00:36:52,042
I understand that he had
received quite a few...
747
00:36:52,125 --> 00:36:53,459
medals in Vietnam.
748
00:36:53,542 --> 00:36:58,751
And McCoy ended up
being my roommate.
749
00:36:58,834 --> 00:37:02,500
And he talked an awful
lot about hijacking.
750
00:37:02,584 --> 00:37:04,792
(quiet chatter)
751
00:37:04,876 --> 00:37:07,751
You've gotta remember
752
00:37:07,834 --> 00:37:10,584
that I was
a Special Forces officer.
753
00:37:10,667 --> 00:37:13,667
And in there,
we would plan raids,
754
00:37:13,751 --> 00:37:16,000
and ambushes,
755
00:37:16,083 --> 00:37:19,083
and in this case,
we just carried it
756
00:37:19,167 --> 00:37:21,959
a little further.
"What would you do?"
757
00:37:22,042 --> 00:37:25,500
♪ ♪
758
00:37:25,584 --> 00:37:27,292
We did some brainstorming,
759
00:37:27,375 --> 00:37:30,667
and we would discuss
things like...
760
00:37:30,751 --> 00:37:33,918
that you come in disguise?
761
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,500
Things like that.
762
00:37:35,584 --> 00:37:36,834
Dower:
So would you act out
763
00:37:36,918 --> 00:37:39,292
scenarios of how
you would do it?
764
00:37:39,375 --> 00:37:40,709
(chuckles)
765
00:37:40,792 --> 00:37:43,167
I guess that's basically it.
766
00:37:43,250 --> 00:37:46,667
Trust me.
I wasn't serious at all.
767
00:37:46,751 --> 00:37:48,918
Dower:
So these conversations came up
768
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,334
after the DB Cooper hijacking.
769
00:37:51,417 --> 00:37:53,667
Anjewierden:
Right. He would
770
00:37:53,751 --> 00:37:55,667
appear to be fascinated with it
771
00:37:55,751 --> 00:37:58,292
because DB Cooper had--
772
00:37:58,375 --> 00:38:01,334
had already done
his thing then, see.
773
00:38:01,417 --> 00:38:03,500
♪
774
00:38:06,626 --> 00:38:09,792
Nick O'Hara:
McCoy, using the name
James Johnson,
775
00:38:09,876 --> 00:38:12,667
boarded a flight to Colorado,
776
00:38:12,751 --> 00:38:15,751
then to LA.
And in the process,
777
00:38:15,834 --> 00:38:17,834
produced a note,
778
00:38:17,918 --> 00:38:19,584
a handgun, a grenade,
779
00:38:19,667 --> 00:38:21,792
and demanded
a half-million bucks.
780
00:38:21,876 --> 00:38:23,209
♪ ♪
781
00:38:23,292 --> 00:38:27,375
He basically
followed the instructions that
782
00:38:27,459 --> 00:38:30,876
Dan Cooper had given in Seattle.
783
00:38:30,959 --> 00:38:33,417
Not to say that they're
the same person and not that
784
00:38:33,500 --> 00:38:35,209
McCoy didn't go to
school on Cooper,
785
00:38:35,292 --> 00:38:37,292
but there is such
786
00:38:37,375 --> 00:38:41,083
a remarkable, um...
787
00:38:41,167 --> 00:38:43,334
pattern that's followed in
788
00:38:43,417 --> 00:38:46,626
the McCoy that was used
in the Cooper case
789
00:38:46,709 --> 00:38:50,209
that people say you could
almost overlay them.
790
00:38:50,292 --> 00:38:52,834
Reporter:
The young man wanted $500,000
791
00:38:52,918 --> 00:38:55,000
and requested four parachutes.
792
00:38:55,083 --> 00:38:57,167
♪ ♪
793
00:38:57,250 --> 00:38:59,042
O'Hara:
So once he gets airborne,
794
00:38:59,125 --> 00:39:02,709
he is aware now how to
redeploy the rear airstairs.
795
00:39:02,792 --> 00:39:05,250
Which the first
aircraft hijacking,
796
00:39:05,334 --> 00:39:07,918
Cooper had to have
help doing that.
797
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,250
McCoy deploys
the airstairs, bails out,
798
00:39:11,334 --> 00:39:13,876
lands near Provo.
799
00:39:13,959 --> 00:39:16,417
Anjewierden:
I was right here,
800
00:39:16,500 --> 00:39:19,375
and I discussed with the wife.
801
00:39:19,459 --> 00:39:21,584
"I wonder if that's McCoy?"
802
00:39:22,959 --> 00:39:25,334
And called the FBI.
803
00:39:27,834 --> 00:39:30,083
Then they went to his house,
804
00:39:30,167 --> 00:39:33,375
searched it,
and found
805
00:39:33,459 --> 00:39:36,167
half a million dollars
up in the attic.
806
00:39:37,292 --> 00:39:39,584
Minus $20.
807
00:39:39,667 --> 00:39:42,250
He'd pulled a $20 bill off
808
00:39:42,334 --> 00:39:44,292
for lunch.
809
00:39:44,375 --> 00:39:46,209
Reporter:
He was arrested
here in his home
810
00:39:46,292 --> 00:39:48,959
in Provo, Utah,
early this morning.
811
00:39:49,042 --> 00:39:51,959
He was dressed for
a National Guard drill today.
812
00:39:52,042 --> 00:39:55,542
And when the FBI men came,
he did not resist.
813
00:39:55,626 --> 00:39:57,417
♪ ♪
814
00:39:57,500 --> 00:39:59,709
Anjewierden:
I think he knew
the jig was up.
815
00:40:01,834 --> 00:40:03,834
And he told me...
816
00:40:03,918 --> 00:40:06,375
"You know, some of that
money was for you."
817
00:40:07,459 --> 00:40:08,667
You know?
818
00:40:08,751 --> 00:40:10,626
Well, shoot,
you shoulda told me!
819
00:40:13,042 --> 00:40:15,459
And I'll be honest...
820
00:40:15,542 --> 00:40:18,667
I felt like I'd betrayed him.
821
00:40:18,751 --> 00:40:21,584
But I knew it was
the right thing to do.
822
00:40:24,959 --> 00:40:29,500
This is the sketch of
DB Cooper
823
00:40:29,584 --> 00:40:32,000
from witnesses
on the aircraft.
824
00:40:34,042 --> 00:40:36,626
And this is
an arrest photograph
825
00:40:36,709 --> 00:40:39,125
of Richard McCoy.
826
00:40:39,209 --> 00:40:40,375
And...
827
00:40:40,459 --> 00:40:43,250
people can look at that
and form their own conclusions.
828
00:40:44,792 --> 00:40:47,292
You think McCoy
looks like Cooper?
829
00:40:49,125 --> 00:40:52,167
-(engines roaring)
-(radio chatter)
830
00:40:52,250 --> 00:40:54,209
(tires screech)
831
00:40:59,542 --> 00:41:01,667
Dower:
And so you finally
land in Reno.
832
00:41:02,542 --> 00:41:03,959
Yes, we do, John.
833
00:41:04,042 --> 00:41:08,542
♪ ♪
834
00:41:08,626 --> 00:41:11,417
We got off the airplane.
We hugged each other,
835
00:41:11,500 --> 00:41:15,042
and there's
a great sigh of relief.
836
00:41:15,125 --> 00:41:18,375
Mucklow:
It really wasn't until
I got in the FBI car
837
00:41:18,459 --> 00:41:22,083
that I think
the aftermath hit me.
838
00:41:23,375 --> 00:41:27,375
As I sat down and then
Bill got in the car,
839
00:41:27,459 --> 00:41:30,125
I just burst into tears,
840
00:41:30,209 --> 00:41:32,959
and just sobbed for
a couple minutes, you know.
841
00:41:33,042 --> 00:41:35,167
That was kinda
the release of it all.
842
00:41:35,250 --> 00:41:37,918
(inaudible)
843
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,876
-Dower: But it was over.
-Rataczak: Well,
844
00:41:39,959 --> 00:41:42,876
um, it was what...
845
00:41:43,667 --> 00:41:45,250
(clicks tongue)
846
00:41:49,167 --> 00:41:53,125
Young Rataczak:
We felt, in this
specific situation,
847
00:41:53,209 --> 00:41:56,918
that we had his confidence.
We felt he...
848
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,584
was assured that we were
honoring his requests...
849
00:42:00,667 --> 00:42:04,375
and therefore, we made no
attempt to impede his...
850
00:42:05,584 --> 00:42:08,459
the completion of his mission,
if you will.
851
00:42:08,542 --> 00:42:11,876
He was not nervous.
He seemed rather nice.
852
00:42:11,959 --> 00:42:14,459
He never tried to harm myself
853
00:42:14,542 --> 00:42:18,375
and although he was
impatient a few times,
854
00:42:18,459 --> 00:42:21,542
he was never cruel
or nasty or,
855
00:42:21,626 --> 00:42:25,959
um, impolite to me
in any way.
856
00:42:26,042 --> 00:42:28,542
Anderson:
They wanted to get
the airplane to Seattle
857
00:42:28,626 --> 00:42:29,876
as soon as they could
858
00:42:29,959 --> 00:42:33,834
because they still had
the passenger baggage onboard.
859
00:42:34,876 --> 00:42:37,125
We boarded up the backstairs,
860
00:42:37,209 --> 00:42:39,834
and came on,
and we hear cheers
861
00:42:39,918 --> 00:42:42,167
and clapping. (laughs)
862
00:42:43,250 --> 00:42:45,459
That makes me emotional.
I'm sorry.
863
00:42:45,542 --> 00:42:47,459
♪ ♪
864
00:42:47,542 --> 00:42:50,250
There's a huge manhunt on
in the state of Washington
865
00:42:50,334 --> 00:42:53,083
for the middle-aged man
who hijacked a jetliner
866
00:42:53,167 --> 00:42:56,167
and got $200,000
in ransom money,
867
00:42:56,250 --> 00:42:58,751
then escaped by
parachuting into the night
868
00:42:58,834 --> 00:43:00,417
from the hijacked plane.
869
00:43:00,500 --> 00:43:03,042
Reporter 1:
They're looking around here
because the hijacked crew
870
00:43:03,125 --> 00:43:05,250
felt a bump as they
flew over here.
871
00:43:05,334 --> 00:43:07,709
Perhaps the hijacker
jumping out.
872
00:43:07,792 --> 00:43:09,667
Reporter 2:
The morning after the skyjack,
873
00:43:09,751 --> 00:43:11,167
the FBI launched NORJAK,
874
00:43:11,250 --> 00:43:13,834
the codename for
the biggest manhunt
875
00:43:13,918 --> 00:43:16,167
the Portland office
had ever seen.
876
00:43:16,250 --> 00:43:17,751
The FBI had enlisted the aid
877
00:43:17,834 --> 00:43:20,751
of an Army battalion,
the local police,
878
00:43:20,834 --> 00:43:22,292
and even the Boy Scouts.
879
00:43:22,375 --> 00:43:25,083
Reporter 3:
So, the searchers set
out to scour an area
880
00:43:25,167 --> 00:43:27,334
about five miles long
and one mile wide,
881
00:43:27,417 --> 00:43:29,292
where they felt they
had the best chances
882
00:43:29,375 --> 00:43:31,334
of finding something.
They don't know his real name.
883
00:43:31,417 --> 00:43:33,959
They probably wouldn't
know him if they saw him,
884
00:43:34,042 --> 00:43:35,626
and he had a big head start.
885
00:43:35,709 --> 00:43:38,792
♪
886
00:43:44,584 --> 00:43:47,584
Smith:
Well, you're in
Cooper country, so welcome.
887
00:43:50,250 --> 00:43:53,834
-Dower: Is this also
where you do your writing?
-Smith: Yes. Right here, baby.
888
00:43:53,918 --> 00:43:55,292
This is action central.
889
00:43:55,375 --> 00:43:58,584
We are sitting in
the center of my world.
890
00:43:58,667 --> 00:44:00,834
Dower:
And this is where
you wrote your book...
891
00:44:00,918 --> 00:44:02,751
-Yep.
-"DB Cooper & the FBI"?
892
00:44:02,834 --> 00:44:04,626
Correct. Right here.
893
00:44:04,709 --> 00:44:07,792
♪ ♪
894
00:44:08,751 --> 00:44:10,459
(helicopter whirring)
895
00:44:10,542 --> 00:44:12,209
Reporter:
An FBI spokesman in Portland,
896
00:44:12,292 --> 00:44:14,083
who declined
an on-camera interview,
897
00:44:14,167 --> 00:44:16,209
said his agents are
checking for clues
898
00:44:16,292 --> 00:44:18,334
and circulating
a composite picture
899
00:44:18,417 --> 00:44:22,167
in a 200-mile corridor south
to the California border.
900
00:44:27,459 --> 00:44:30,000
(birds chirping)
901
00:44:31,709 --> 00:44:34,751
Smith:
Where do we go
looking for DB Cooper?
902
00:44:34,834 --> 00:44:36,500
They're asking
Northwest Orient,
903
00:44:36,584 --> 00:44:38,083
"Where was your plane
when Cooper jumped?"
904
00:44:38,167 --> 00:44:39,959
"Well, we don't know
where the plane was,
905
00:44:40,042 --> 00:44:42,250
"but we know it was
8:13 in the evening.
906
00:44:42,334 --> 00:44:44,459
It would've been
around here somewhere."
907
00:44:44,542 --> 00:44:46,459
Well, around here is about
908
00:44:46,542 --> 00:44:49,584
20 to 25 miles of woods.
909
00:44:49,667 --> 00:44:53,375
So Cooper had 40 hours lead
910
00:44:53,459 --> 00:44:56,709
before anybody was on
the ground looking for him.
911
00:44:56,792 --> 00:44:59,876
♪ ♪
912
00:45:02,125 --> 00:45:04,751
Fuhriman:
And they brought in
some military people,
913
00:45:04,834 --> 00:45:08,375
as well as FBI agents.
There were a lot of people
914
00:45:08,459 --> 00:45:10,375
searching the mountain
area for him,
915
00:45:10,459 --> 00:45:13,083
or for any remains of
whatever might be there.
916
00:45:13,167 --> 00:45:14,459
(helicopter whirring)
917
00:45:14,542 --> 00:45:16,334
Trooper:
He either got away,
or else he sure made
918
00:45:16,417 --> 00:45:17,876
a big hole in
the ground up there.
919
00:45:17,959 --> 00:45:19,584
And if he made
a hole in the ground,
920
00:45:19,667 --> 00:45:21,667
he's gonna be hard to find also.
921
00:45:21,751 --> 00:45:23,292
Fuhriman:
I think there's a good chance
922
00:45:23,375 --> 00:45:26,250
that he hit a tree or a rock
923
00:45:26,334 --> 00:45:30,626
or fell in a body
of water and died.
924
00:45:30,709 --> 00:45:34,375
I also think he might've known
enough about what he was doing
925
00:45:34,459 --> 00:45:37,500
that he was able to steer
himself into an area
926
00:45:37,584 --> 00:45:41,209
where he could land
and get out and go.
927
00:45:41,292 --> 00:45:43,792
♪ ♪
928
00:45:43,876 --> 00:45:47,167
Mitchell:
I had FBI over for
probably over a year,
929
00:45:47,250 --> 00:45:49,250
two or three times
930
00:45:49,334 --> 00:45:51,417
a week, with pictures.
931
00:45:51,500 --> 00:45:54,584
I mean, they'd always come
with 10 pictures.
932
00:45:55,751 --> 00:45:57,375
(clicking)
933
00:45:57,459 --> 00:46:00,083
They were making
a composite drawing.
934
00:46:00,167 --> 00:46:02,334
Fuhriman:
Well, from
the composite picture,
935
00:46:02,417 --> 00:46:06,542
he had a slender
face and, and, uh...
936
00:46:06,626 --> 00:46:09,667
a Caucasian, maybe
dark Caucasian features.
937
00:46:09,751 --> 00:46:11,709
Gray:
It was very thin
hair to the sides,
938
00:46:11,792 --> 00:46:13,417
almost a little balding.
939
00:46:13,500 --> 00:46:15,167
There was a very thin nose.
940
00:46:15,250 --> 00:46:17,626
There was sunglasses
over the eyes,
941
00:46:17,709 --> 00:46:19,375
one without sunglasses,
942
00:46:19,459 --> 00:46:22,125
but how would they know
what his eyes looked like?
943
00:46:22,209 --> 00:46:25,459
Fuhriman:
Uh, no unusual...
944
00:46:25,542 --> 00:46:28,042
identifying characteristics.
945
00:46:29,792 --> 00:46:32,542
The picture on your left is
946
00:46:32,626 --> 00:46:36,500
the artist's conception
of the hijacker.
947
00:46:36,584 --> 00:46:39,334
The picture on the right
is a picture of me.
948
00:46:39,417 --> 00:46:42,083
When I got a copy of the sketch,
949
00:46:42,167 --> 00:46:45,292
I sent it to my mother without
saying anything about it.
950
00:46:46,375 --> 00:46:48,125
Her comment back to me was,
951
00:46:48,209 --> 00:46:50,209
"Who did that sketch of you?
952
00:46:50,292 --> 00:46:52,667
Looks pretty accurate." (laughs)
953
00:46:52,751 --> 00:46:55,876
And I go, whoa, whoa, whoa!
That's not me.
954
00:46:55,959 --> 00:46:59,959
(water lapping)
955
00:47:00,042 --> 00:47:02,918
Smith:
Well, I'm one of the few
people that put a harsh light,
956
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:04,584
or I like to think
957
00:47:04,667 --> 00:47:07,250
a strong light, on the FBI.
958
00:47:07,334 --> 00:47:10,000
In 1971, the FBI,
959
00:47:10,083 --> 00:47:11,959
I think fairly,
was considered to be
960
00:47:12,042 --> 00:47:14,751
the premier law enforcement
agency in the world.
961
00:47:14,834 --> 00:47:19,125
But we now know that bigness
does not mean greatness.
962
00:47:19,209 --> 00:47:22,500
And there were a lot of gaps,
and a lot of limitations.
963
00:47:22,584 --> 00:47:24,417
Dower: They lost the most
valuable piece of evidence.
964
00:47:24,500 --> 00:47:26,125
Oh, they've lost
a ton of stuff!
965
00:47:26,209 --> 00:47:28,417
♪ ♪
966
00:47:28,500 --> 00:47:30,083
They lost the cigarette butts.
967
00:47:30,167 --> 00:47:33,167
The cigarette butts
are probably
968
00:47:33,250 --> 00:47:36,709
the most salient piece
of evidence right now
969
00:47:36,792 --> 00:47:39,959
because we now have DNA testing.
970
00:47:43,876 --> 00:47:47,876
-Dower: So what happened
to the cigarette butt?
-Montoya: Good question.
971
00:47:47,959 --> 00:47:49,834
A very, very good question.
972
00:47:49,918 --> 00:47:54,209
Um, I don't know.
I can't answer that question
973
00:47:54,292 --> 00:47:56,417
because I don't know
what happened to them.
974
00:47:58,334 --> 00:48:01,125
Dower:
Some say they
might've been lost.
975
00:48:02,667 --> 00:48:05,834
Montoya:
That's always a possibility.
976
00:48:05,918 --> 00:48:09,000
-Dower: Is anyone
looking for them?
-You know, I,
977
00:48:09,083 --> 00:48:11,417
I think there have
been multiple efforts
978
00:48:11,500 --> 00:48:14,167
over the last four decades
979
00:48:14,250 --> 00:48:17,417
to do so, um, but I don't...
980
00:48:18,709 --> 00:48:20,459
I don't know what
the answer is to that.
981
00:48:20,542 --> 00:48:23,584
They're-- They weren't
available to us, so.
982
00:48:23,667 --> 00:48:25,250
Dower:
There were also issues with
983
00:48:25,334 --> 00:48:27,250
the fingerprinting
on board the plane
after it landed in Reno.
984
00:48:27,334 --> 00:48:30,000
Smith:
Oh! What a mess that is.
985
00:48:30,083 --> 00:48:32,459
What a mess.
To this day, I don't know
986
00:48:32,542 --> 00:48:35,083
how many fingerprints
were recovered.
987
00:48:35,167 --> 00:48:38,083
That is total meshugas!
988
00:48:39,918 --> 00:48:43,500
Dower:
I mean, do you think it was
fair to say that the FBI
989
00:48:45,042 --> 00:48:48,000
made mistakes in this case?
990
00:48:48,083 --> 00:48:51,500
(chuckles) I don't know
what you mean by mistakes.
991
00:48:51,584 --> 00:48:55,417
The FBI worked with the best
information available
992
00:48:56,709 --> 00:48:58,417
and used...
993
00:48:58,500 --> 00:49:01,250
the best judgment
that they could
994
00:49:01,334 --> 00:49:04,792
get together at the time
with the facts they had,
995
00:49:04,876 --> 00:49:07,792
and perhaps there
were mistakes made,
996
00:49:07,876 --> 00:49:11,751
which is not that unusual
in any investigation.
997
00:49:11,834 --> 00:49:14,959
-(river flowing)
-(birds chirping)
998
00:49:15,042 --> 00:49:18,792
Smith:
Eight and a half years
after the skyjacking,
999
00:49:20,459 --> 00:49:23,000
the FBI had diddly squat.
1000
00:49:23,083 --> 00:49:27,459
There was no hard evidence
in the DB Cooper case.
1001
00:49:27,542 --> 00:49:29,667
No body, no parachute,
1002
00:49:29,751 --> 00:49:31,667
no bomb, no briefcase,
1003
00:49:31,751 --> 00:49:33,584
no Cooper, no money.
1004
00:49:36,083 --> 00:49:37,542
Then, in 1980...
1005
00:49:37,626 --> 00:49:38,792
(birds chirping)
1006
00:49:38,876 --> 00:49:41,083
a kid found three bundles
1007
00:49:41,167 --> 00:49:44,667
on a beach on
the Columbia River.
1008
00:49:45,709 --> 00:49:48,250
Oh my God.
1009
00:49:48,334 --> 00:49:51,334
Bob Schieffer:
A child has led the FBI
to the start of a trail
1010
00:49:51,417 --> 00:49:52,709
it hopes will help them solve
1011
00:49:52,792 --> 00:49:55,459
the eight-and-a-half-year-old
mystery of skyjacker
1012
00:49:55,542 --> 00:49:58,876
DB Cooper. The first break
in the only unsolved
1013
00:49:58,959 --> 00:50:01,334
airplane hijacking in
United States history
1014
00:50:01,417 --> 00:50:03,167
came on a Columbia River beach,
1015
00:50:03,250 --> 00:50:05,542
along the Oregon-
Washington border,
1016
00:50:05,626 --> 00:50:08,584
where an 8-year-old boy
dug up the shreds of
1017
00:50:08,667 --> 00:50:10,584
$3,000 on Sunday.
1018
00:50:11,876 --> 00:50:14,083
Reporter:
How do you feel right now?
1019
00:50:14,167 --> 00:50:17,250
Well, I feel pretty good.
1020
00:50:17,334 --> 00:50:19,584
I'll feel a lot better after
we get the money though.
1021
00:50:19,667 --> 00:50:23,334
You know, after it's all over.
1022
00:50:23,417 --> 00:50:27,375
Smith:
Now, the story gets
a little bit more complicated.
1023
00:50:27,459 --> 00:50:30,542
There's no question that
the three bundles of money
1024
00:50:30,626 --> 00:50:33,584
were Cooper's money
from the ransom
1025
00:50:33,667 --> 00:50:36,542
because the serial
numbers match up.
1026
00:50:37,667 --> 00:50:39,250
But, to this day,
1027
00:50:39,334 --> 00:50:42,500
nobody knows how
that money got there.
1028
00:50:42,584 --> 00:50:44,209
Or when.
1029
00:50:44,292 --> 00:50:46,292
How long was it at the beach?
1030
00:50:46,375 --> 00:50:48,292
Money was wet, soggy,
1031
00:50:48,375 --> 00:50:51,250
had holes in it.
It was very compressed.
1032
00:50:51,334 --> 00:50:53,334
As if it had been under weight,
1033
00:50:53,417 --> 00:50:55,417
and the paper, the bills,
1034
00:50:55,500 --> 00:50:58,626
were stuck together.
When you tried
to peel the bills off,
1035
00:50:58,709 --> 00:51:00,375
you'd get chunks.
1036
00:51:00,459 --> 00:51:02,334
Dower:
But also the thing
about Tina-Bar is
1037
00:51:02,417 --> 00:51:05,292
it's 45 miles south
of where DB Cooper
1038
00:51:05,375 --> 00:51:08,000
-supposedly landed.
-Yep.
1039
00:51:09,626 --> 00:51:11,167
So how'd the money get there?
1040
00:51:11,250 --> 00:51:15,125
♪ ♪
1041
00:51:15,209 --> 00:51:17,959
Reporter 1:
Finally, we close tonight
with a mystery story.
1042
00:51:18,042 --> 00:51:20,334
It has a villain
and a hero, but in this case,
1043
00:51:20,417 --> 00:51:23,834
they may be the same person.
A man in a dark suit
1044
00:51:23,918 --> 00:51:27,125
who bought a $20
one-way plane ticket
1045
00:51:27,209 --> 00:51:28,792
from Seattle to Portland...
1046
00:51:28,876 --> 00:51:31,626
Weber:
I'm gonna go smoke this,
or part of it anyway.
1047
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,209
Reporter 2:
At age 60, Jo Weber admits
1048
00:51:37,292 --> 00:51:39,751
she fell in love and fell hard
1049
00:51:39,834 --> 00:51:43,709
for a slick-looking,
smooth-talking
insurance salesman.
1050
00:51:43,792 --> 00:51:46,584
And since her husband's
death in 1995,
1051
00:51:46,667 --> 00:51:49,584
she's pieced together clues
dropped over the years.
1052
00:51:49,667 --> 00:51:53,209
In fact, a forensic artist
who has worked with the FBI
1053
00:51:53,292 --> 00:51:55,417
says the physical
similarities between
1054
00:51:55,500 --> 00:51:57,292
this composite sketch of Cooper
1055
00:51:57,375 --> 00:52:00,292
and a younger
Duane Weber are striking.
1056
00:52:00,375 --> 00:52:02,959
What makes you so sure
that he's the guy?
1057
00:52:03,042 --> 00:52:06,500
There's too many pieces
of the puzzle that fit.
1058
00:52:06,584 --> 00:52:09,709
♪ ♪
1059
00:52:13,792 --> 00:52:16,042
Weber: Holy cow.
1060
00:52:16,125 --> 00:52:17,876
I don't know where
the albums are.
1061
00:52:17,959 --> 00:52:20,876
They are not where
they're supposed to be.
1062
00:52:21,959 --> 00:52:23,626
I'm starting to panic.
1063
00:52:24,918 --> 00:52:27,125
Collins:
This happens to me,
too, at home.
1064
00:52:27,209 --> 00:52:29,709
Dower:
Remind me how you
two know each other.
1065
00:52:29,792 --> 00:52:32,709
Collins:
I grew up about
five miles from where
1066
00:52:32,792 --> 00:52:37,167
DB Cooper jumped,
so I was curious about
1067
00:52:37,250 --> 00:52:39,542
what happened,
and contacted Jo,
1068
00:52:39,626 --> 00:52:43,626
and we've been
talking ever since.
1069
00:52:43,709 --> 00:52:46,250
-Weber: Okay. Yeah.
-Collins: Right there,
Sentimental journey.
1070
00:52:46,334 --> 00:52:48,500
-Collins: Right there.
-Weber: Yeah. We got it.
1071
00:52:48,584 --> 00:52:51,417
Well, he's like a son to me.
1072
00:52:51,500 --> 00:52:53,918
I mean, he has been...
1073
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,792
been there when no one
else could give me answers.
1074
00:52:56,876 --> 00:52:59,042
He's brilliant.
He sees things
1075
00:52:59,125 --> 00:53:02,709
that other people
can't see like this.
1076
00:53:02,792 --> 00:53:05,250
This was the wallet
that we found
1077
00:53:05,334 --> 00:53:09,125
in the vehicle after he died.
1078
00:53:09,209 --> 00:53:12,209
-Dower: So that's
the driving license?
-Weber: This one is a fake one.
1079
00:53:12,292 --> 00:53:15,375
-Dower: John Carson Collins.
-Weber: I did not know
1080
00:53:15,459 --> 00:53:18,000
who that was, but that
was his picture on there.
1081
00:53:18,083 --> 00:53:19,709
Dower:
So was his real name
1082
00:53:19,792 --> 00:53:22,250
John Carson Collins
or Duane Weber?
1083
00:53:22,334 --> 00:53:24,375
Weber:
Duane Weber.
1084
00:53:24,459 --> 00:53:26,542
But he'd gone
and gotten fake IDs.
1085
00:53:26,626 --> 00:53:29,959
-Dower: That's all
the different IDs.
-Collins: Yes. Yeah.
1086
00:53:30,042 --> 00:53:32,083
What was all this about?
1087
00:53:32,167 --> 00:53:34,709
And then to find out
that he had actually been
1088
00:53:34,792 --> 00:53:38,334
in prison under
the name of John C. Collins.
1089
00:53:38,417 --> 00:53:40,500
These are in a very,
very old criminal file.
1090
00:53:40,584 --> 00:53:42,500
-Reporter: This is
your husband in prison?
-Weber: Yes.
1091
00:53:42,584 --> 00:53:45,709
Reporter:
A man who she now
knows lived a lie,
1092
00:53:45,792 --> 00:53:48,542
and may have kept a secret
of legendary proportions.
1093
00:53:48,626 --> 00:53:51,751
Collins:
This tax return really
meant something to me.
1094
00:53:51,834 --> 00:53:55,918
Right after the crime,
Duane purchased two cars.
1095
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,125
Brand new, paid cash.
1096
00:53:58,209 --> 00:54:00,542
He made that year
1097
00:54:00,626 --> 00:54:03,542
little more than $1,000.
He didn't have that much money.
1098
00:54:03,626 --> 00:54:05,375
He buys two new cars
right after the crime.
1099
00:54:05,459 --> 00:54:07,876
I mean, it was like...
1100
00:54:07,959 --> 00:54:10,042
a great, big puzzle!
1101
00:54:10,125 --> 00:54:11,918
It bugged the hell out of me,
1102
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,751
and it still bugs
the hell out of me.
1103
00:54:14,834 --> 00:54:19,417
He handed over his will
to her in the hospital,
1104
00:54:19,500 --> 00:54:22,375
with a safety deposit key
taped to the will.
1105
00:54:22,459 --> 00:54:25,542
The one that you were able
to open, you found this.
1106
00:54:25,626 --> 00:54:29,042
Dower:
Strange thing to leave in
a safety deposit box, isn't it?
1107
00:54:29,125 --> 00:54:32,709
Why would a guy who confessed
to DB Cooper have this magazine?
1108
00:54:33,876 --> 00:54:35,500
And my jaw drops.
1109
00:54:35,584 --> 00:54:37,918
"The Man Who Held the Secrets."
1110
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:39,751
-That's Duane.
-(Weber laughs)
1111
00:54:39,834 --> 00:54:42,125
Collins:
What secrets...
1112
00:54:42,209 --> 00:54:44,125
did we miss?
What did we miss?
1113
00:54:45,876 --> 00:54:48,250
Weber:
That's Duane up there.
1114
00:54:48,334 --> 00:54:50,167
Dower:
It's a very pretty urn.
1115
00:54:50,250 --> 00:54:52,876
Well, I figured, you know,
1116
00:54:52,959 --> 00:54:55,334
we'll be together again one day.
1117
00:54:55,417 --> 00:54:59,334
So, when they bury me,
that gets buried same time.
1118
00:55:00,876 --> 00:55:03,167
Dower:
So you married Duane Weber.
1119
00:55:03,250 --> 00:55:07,334
He then tells you
on his death bed
that he's Dan Cooper,
1120
00:55:07,417 --> 00:55:09,542
and then a few months later,
1121
00:55:09,626 --> 00:55:11,876
you find a wallet in which
1122
00:55:11,959 --> 00:55:14,918
-a driving license
says he's John Collins.
-Mm-hmm.
1123
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,167
You then started
having these memories,
1124
00:55:17,250 --> 00:55:19,417
strange things that
Duane told you,
1125
00:55:19,500 --> 00:55:21,918
places he took you.
1126
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,417
The picture fell together.
1127
00:55:24,500 --> 00:55:27,584
♪ ♪
1128
00:55:29,334 --> 00:55:32,500
(insects chirping)
1129
00:55:35,375 --> 00:55:39,042
Weber:
We had a convention
in Seattle.
1130
00:55:39,125 --> 00:55:42,500
And he said,
"I want to go, uh...
1131
00:55:42,584 --> 00:55:44,209
a few days early."
1132
00:55:46,500 --> 00:55:49,167
He showed me
an awful lot of things
1133
00:55:49,250 --> 00:55:52,876
and I never did ask
a lot of questions.
1134
00:55:55,834 --> 00:55:58,250
One point he stopped at
1135
00:55:58,334 --> 00:56:00,792
was not too far
from Lake Merwin.
1136
00:56:00,876 --> 00:56:03,876
And he pointed about at a place,
1137
00:56:03,959 --> 00:56:06,876
and he said something about,
"That's where Cooper
1138
00:56:06,959 --> 00:56:09,834
walked out of the woods."
And I didn't know
who Cooper was.
1139
00:56:16,626 --> 00:56:20,834
Dower:
You basically went on a trip
to the DB Cooper drop zone.
1140
00:56:22,250 --> 00:56:24,626
Weber:
I labeled it
"the sentimental journey"
1141
00:56:24,709 --> 00:56:26,584
because of all the places
he wanted to go to,
1142
00:56:26,667 --> 00:56:30,000
the places he took me to,
the places he disappeared.
1143
00:56:30,083 --> 00:56:33,167
♪ ♪
1144
00:56:48,751 --> 00:56:51,584
Dower:
Not long after Duane's
deathbed confession,
1145
00:56:51,667 --> 00:56:54,500
she started having
these memories,
1146
00:56:54,584 --> 00:56:56,209
and even pointed
to the woods
1147
00:56:56,292 --> 00:56:58,167
and says, "That's where
Cooper walked out."
1148
00:56:58,250 --> 00:57:01,834
Collins:
Right. So, she
remembered the journey,
1149
00:57:01,918 --> 00:57:04,500
but she didn't know
its significance
1150
00:57:04,584 --> 00:57:06,792
until she later...
1151
00:57:06,876 --> 00:57:09,417
understood who
Dan Cooper was.
1152
00:57:09,500 --> 00:57:11,667
Dower:
That's kind of your
role with Jo, isn't it?
1153
00:57:11,751 --> 00:57:13,626
You sort of help
put her memories
1154
00:57:13,709 --> 00:57:15,918
into some sort of order or...
1155
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,667
I would say so.
1156
00:57:18,751 --> 00:57:21,959
I would say even today
she doesn't--
she has these memories
1157
00:57:22,042 --> 00:57:24,292
but she doesn't
quite understand
1158
00:57:24,375 --> 00:57:27,292
all the significance of
different parts of them.
1159
00:57:27,375 --> 00:57:30,626
Whereas I can listen,
I'll filter out a lot of it,
1160
00:57:30,709 --> 00:57:33,375
but I can pick out pieces
1161
00:57:33,459 --> 00:57:36,751
that seem, um, relevant.
1162
00:57:36,834 --> 00:57:38,000
♪ ♪
1163
00:57:38,083 --> 00:57:40,125
Weber:
I remember when he stopped
1164
00:57:40,209 --> 00:57:42,334
at a place on the water.
1165
00:57:42,417 --> 00:57:45,667
There was a little
motel at that time
1166
00:57:45,751 --> 00:57:48,667
called the Red Lion.
1167
00:57:48,751 --> 00:57:51,167
What made it significant is
1168
00:57:51,250 --> 00:57:54,292
what happened at the location.
1169
00:57:55,459 --> 00:57:57,042
Weber:
The next morning,
1170
00:57:57,125 --> 00:58:00,375
he tells me he's got
some place he's gonna go.
1171
00:58:02,542 --> 00:58:05,000
He left 7:00 in the morning.
1172
00:58:05,083 --> 00:58:08,125
It's getting close
to checkout time.
1173
00:58:08,209 --> 00:58:10,751
Just about that time,
he walks in the door,
1174
00:58:10,834 --> 00:58:13,626
he has to go take a bath.
1175
00:58:15,042 --> 00:58:16,542
He'd been digging in something.
1176
00:58:16,626 --> 00:58:19,375
-And--
-Dower: What made you
think he'd been digging?
1177
00:58:20,209 --> 00:58:23,042
'Cause he was dirty!
1178
00:58:23,125 --> 00:58:26,584
He had on dress pants,
but his hands were dirty.
1179
00:58:26,667 --> 00:58:29,500
I don't know what
he went digging.
I don't know where he went.
1180
00:58:29,584 --> 00:58:31,918
While he was cleaning up
and I handed him a drink,
1181
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:33,584
and I still have the picture
1182
00:58:33,667 --> 00:58:37,334
where when I went to take
the picture, he gets up,
1183
00:58:37,417 --> 00:58:39,918
and he jumps. "Geronimo!"
1184
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:41,751
(shutter snaps)
1185
00:58:41,834 --> 00:58:44,000
Like he was jumping, okay?
1186
00:58:44,083 --> 00:58:45,959
I got the picture
to prove that
1187
00:58:46,042 --> 00:58:49,167
because I snapped
the daggum picture
at that time.
1188
00:58:49,250 --> 00:58:50,792
(slide projector clicking)
1189
00:58:50,876 --> 00:58:53,500
♪ ♪
1190
00:58:53,584 --> 00:58:54,876
And when he gets into the car,
1191
00:58:54,959 --> 00:58:57,000
I said, "What's in
that paper bag?"
He says,
1192
00:58:57,083 --> 00:59:00,167
"Oh, just some trash I'm gonna
get rid of at the next stop."
1193
00:59:00,250 --> 00:59:03,334
He spent an awful
lot of time there,
1194
00:59:03,417 --> 00:59:05,751
just looking out at the water.
1195
00:59:06,792 --> 00:59:10,334
It was odd. It was strange.
1196
00:59:10,417 --> 00:59:12,626
And I said,
"What you doing?" He says,
1197
00:59:12,709 --> 00:59:15,584
"Watching that bag go
down the river, flow down."
1198
00:59:15,667 --> 00:59:17,000
I hit the ceiling.
1199
00:59:17,083 --> 00:59:19,626
I said, "You littered?!
You put what?!
1200
00:59:19,709 --> 00:59:22,542
"You put a bag in the water?!
1201
00:59:23,667 --> 00:59:26,459
A bag of trash
in the water?!"
1202
00:59:26,542 --> 00:59:29,375
I was angry
because I had been raised,
1203
00:59:29,459 --> 00:59:32,292
you do not contaminate
your waterways.
1204
00:59:32,375 --> 00:59:34,667
You do not throw
things in there.
1205
00:59:34,751 --> 00:59:37,751
If I had done that,
I'd have got
the whipping of whippings.
1206
00:59:40,334 --> 00:59:42,417
Collins:
He buried the money someplace.
1207
00:59:42,500 --> 00:59:44,083
He left that morning,
drove all the way
1208
00:59:44,167 --> 00:59:47,167
to wherever it was
he had buried this.
1209
00:59:47,250 --> 00:59:49,000
Located it, dug it up.
1210
00:59:49,083 --> 00:59:51,375
So this is the night
when he says "Geronimo,"
1211
00:59:51,459 --> 00:59:53,500
and, and she took
the picture of him.
1212
00:59:53,584 --> 00:59:56,459
Sift through the money
and he's discovered that
1213
00:59:56,542 --> 00:59:58,667
almost all of it's
in great condition.
1214
00:59:58,751 --> 01:00:02,667
He's just elated,
but some of it's damaged.
1215
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:06,334
Had he thrown the paper
sack into the trash,
1216
01:00:06,417 --> 01:00:08,876
which probably would've
been a wiser choice,
1217
01:00:08,959 --> 01:00:10,918
no one would've ever
looked inside it,
1218
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:12,375
no one would ever
been the wiser.
1219
01:00:12,459 --> 01:00:15,083
But instead,
he threw it in the river,
1220
01:00:15,167 --> 01:00:17,792
which then
ultimately was found
1221
01:00:17,876 --> 01:00:20,584
about nine miles away
from here. Tina-Bar.
1222
01:00:20,667 --> 01:00:21,959
♪ ♪
1223
01:00:22,042 --> 01:00:24,709
Reporter 1:
The speculation is
endless. For instance,
1224
01:00:24,792 --> 01:00:27,209
is it possible that
DB Cooper lived
1225
01:00:27,292 --> 01:00:31,000
and buried some of the money
right here, next to the tree?
1226
01:00:32,375 --> 01:00:34,209
Reporter 2:
By analyzing the sand,
1227
01:00:34,292 --> 01:00:36,459
geologists hope to learn
how several thousand dollars
1228
01:00:36,542 --> 01:00:39,042
in Cooper ransom
money arrived here.
1229
01:00:39,125 --> 01:00:41,250
(waves washing ashore)
1230
01:00:41,334 --> 01:00:43,042
Collins:
So the FBI,
1231
01:00:43,125 --> 01:00:46,042
they thought,
"We don't have
the expertise to decide
1232
01:00:46,125 --> 01:00:48,125
when did this money get here."
1233
01:00:48,209 --> 01:00:51,334
They dug trenches
three feet down.
1234
01:00:51,417 --> 01:00:53,834
Now, the money was
found at the top,
1235
01:00:53,918 --> 01:00:58,500
but there's a dredge layer down
in the middle of the trench.
1236
01:00:58,584 --> 01:01:01,876
That dredge layer
was from October 1974.
1237
01:01:01,959 --> 01:01:05,042
The money's found above
that dredge layer.
1238
01:01:05,125 --> 01:01:07,918
♪ ♪
1239
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:09,834
The crime happened in 1971.
1240
01:01:09,918 --> 01:01:12,042
So if the money got here
that night or whatever,
1241
01:01:12,125 --> 01:01:14,250
it should be under
1242
01:01:14,334 --> 01:01:16,709
that identifiable
strata in the sand.
1243
01:01:18,042 --> 01:01:20,250
But it wasn't.
It was found at the top.
1244
01:01:22,167 --> 01:01:25,500
Reporter:
The area where the money was
found has been dug and re-dug
1245
01:01:25,584 --> 01:01:28,250
and results of yesterday's
geologic survey are
1246
01:01:28,334 --> 01:01:30,250
that the money couldn't
have been on this beach
1247
01:01:30,334 --> 01:01:32,292
as long as nine years.
1248
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:42,459
Dower:
So this is a map that
you've made, Tim.
1249
01:01:42,542 --> 01:01:45,876
Yeah. Basically, what I wanted
to see was the waterways
1250
01:01:45,959 --> 01:01:48,459
in all of the county,
where do they go.
1251
01:01:48,542 --> 01:01:51,876
So, if he lands
in this area here,
1252
01:01:51,959 --> 01:01:54,167
all the waterways here
1253
01:01:54,250 --> 01:01:55,959
go to the north this way.
1254
01:01:56,042 --> 01:01:58,751
Yet, the money's
found down here.
1255
01:01:58,834 --> 01:02:01,250
Well, if you listen to Jo,
1256
01:02:01,334 --> 01:02:04,626
he came back in 1979
1257
01:02:04,709 --> 01:02:07,417
and threw in a paper
sack right here.
1258
01:02:08,667 --> 01:02:11,459
And the money drifted
around this bend
1259
01:02:11,542 --> 01:02:13,584
and stopped here.
1260
01:02:13,667 --> 01:02:15,626
It explains everything.
1261
01:02:15,709 --> 01:02:18,792
♪ ♪
1262
01:02:29,292 --> 01:02:32,375
(rumbling)
1263
01:02:35,083 --> 01:02:38,167
Barbara Dayton used
to be Bobby Dayton,
1264
01:02:38,250 --> 01:02:41,667
until 1969,
or Robert Elmer Dayton.
1265
01:02:41,751 --> 01:02:43,626
That was my father.
1266
01:02:43,709 --> 01:02:44,792
(click)
1267
01:02:53,417 --> 01:02:54,500
(sniffles)
1268
01:02:56,292 --> 01:02:59,584
Picture of my dad
when he was younger,
1269
01:02:59,667 --> 01:03:01,667
with, I guess, his first car
1270
01:03:01,751 --> 01:03:04,792
or something. Doesn't say.
1271
01:03:04,876 --> 01:03:08,334
And this is a picture of
my dad at the ranch house.
1272
01:03:11,250 --> 01:03:13,125
He was like a cowboy,
1273
01:03:13,209 --> 01:03:16,459
and my mother thought
he looked really sexy.
1274
01:03:17,459 --> 01:03:20,292
But, according to my mother,
1275
01:03:20,375 --> 01:03:22,584
my dad kept dressing in
women's clothes.
1276
01:03:22,667 --> 01:03:24,876
He wanted to
come out and play cards
1277
01:03:24,959 --> 01:03:26,834
wearing the women's clothes.
He'd ask her,
1278
01:03:26,918 --> 01:03:29,375
"Do you mind if
I wear your clothes today?"
1279
01:03:29,459 --> 01:03:32,792
And she would say,
"Fine."
1280
01:03:32,876 --> 01:03:36,250
But, I think she began
looking at him as a friend
1281
01:03:36,334 --> 01:03:39,125
instead of a lover.
1282
01:03:39,209 --> 01:03:42,292
When I had left home,
my brother was in Vietnam.
1283
01:03:42,375 --> 01:03:44,083
♪ ♪
1284
01:03:44,167 --> 01:03:47,042
But, he died in 1975.
1285
01:03:48,834 --> 01:03:52,792
And I came out
to the funeral,
1286
01:03:52,876 --> 01:03:57,542
and my dad flew down
in his Cessna 140.
1287
01:03:57,626 --> 01:04:00,542
And I got to meet her
1288
01:04:00,626 --> 01:04:04,209
as a her for the first time.
1289
01:04:05,792 --> 01:04:10,167
And he told me about
the surgery and why
1290
01:04:10,250 --> 01:04:12,292
and that he was a freak.
1291
01:04:12,375 --> 01:04:14,000
And I felt bad.
I felt really bad
1292
01:04:14,083 --> 01:04:16,626
that he kept calling
himself that.
1293
01:04:16,709 --> 01:04:19,083
I was on my way
with my cousin.
1294
01:04:19,167 --> 01:04:23,667
We were going to
Catheys Valley
after the funeral.
1295
01:04:23,751 --> 01:04:25,709
As we were traveling,
1296
01:04:25,792 --> 01:04:28,584
my cousin Billie-Jan said, um,
1297
01:04:28,667 --> 01:04:30,709
"Did you know your dad
was DB Cooper?"
1298
01:04:30,792 --> 01:04:34,709
And I said,
"No. Who's DB Cooper?"
1299
01:04:34,792 --> 01:04:36,375
♪ ♪
1300
01:04:36,459 --> 01:04:41,292
Sharon Power:
When the composite
sketch came out,
1301
01:04:41,375 --> 01:04:44,209
and her dad saw it,
Bill saw it.
1302
01:04:44,292 --> 01:04:48,125
-He said, "That's my brother."
-And it scared him.
It scared my dad.
1303
01:04:48,209 --> 01:04:50,542
Dower:
This was at the actual
time of the hijacking?
1304
01:04:50,626 --> 01:04:53,292
Whenever that sketch came out
in Bakersfield, California,
1305
01:04:53,375 --> 01:04:55,792
because I remember exactly
where we were sitting
'cause it just--
1306
01:04:55,876 --> 01:04:58,584
We were sitting in a car
and it was pouring down rain.
1307
01:04:58,667 --> 01:05:00,834
He was reading the paper,
like he always did and he goes,
1308
01:05:00,918 --> 01:05:03,167
"That's Bobby."
And just like that.
1309
01:05:03,250 --> 01:05:07,542
And I could tell
he was afraid, you know?
1310
01:05:07,626 --> 01:05:09,834
And, uh, but he
never really, to me,
1311
01:05:09,918 --> 01:05:11,918
Dad never really talked
about it after that point.
It was like--
1312
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:14,500
-No, he didn't.
-He didn't wanna...
1313
01:05:14,584 --> 01:05:17,209
-deal with that.
-He didn't approve of it at all.
1314
01:05:17,292 --> 01:05:19,542
Yeah, yeah, well,
and the sex change.
1315
01:05:19,626 --> 01:05:21,125
He didn't approve
of that either.
1316
01:05:21,209 --> 01:05:22,918
♪ ♪
1317
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:25,167
Dower:
And those are--
these are the diaries?
1318
01:05:25,250 --> 01:05:28,375
Ruddell:
We don't really know where
he was that Thanksgiving.
1319
01:05:28,459 --> 01:05:32,083
When the DB Cooper
hijacking happened,
1320
01:05:32,167 --> 01:05:35,042
my grandmother kept
diaries of every year.
1321
01:05:35,125 --> 01:05:37,083
My dad would say
1322
01:05:37,167 --> 01:05:38,876
that he wasn't coming
to Thanksgiving
1323
01:05:38,959 --> 01:05:41,292
or where he was gonna
be on Thanksgiving.
1324
01:05:41,375 --> 01:05:44,626
That one particular
year in 1971,
1325
01:05:44,709 --> 01:05:46,542
he said nothing.
1326
01:05:46,626 --> 01:05:49,918
It just says,
"house cleaning, etc.
1327
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:52,834
"Ruth brought the turkey.
1328
01:05:52,918 --> 01:05:54,959
Irene made pumpkin pies."
1329
01:05:56,042 --> 01:05:58,792
So nothing was even mentioned.
1330
01:05:58,876 --> 01:06:02,459
It was just nothing.
And I believe
my grandparents knew.
1331
01:06:02,542 --> 01:06:05,083
Dower:
And so, when it
comes to DB Cooper,
1332
01:06:05,167 --> 01:06:07,083
and your father,
1333
01:06:07,167 --> 01:06:10,542
-you're a believer.
-Ruddell: Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
1334
01:06:10,626 --> 01:06:12,751
I definitely believe.
1335
01:06:12,834 --> 01:06:15,000
I believe it's my dad.
1336
01:06:16,334 --> 01:06:20,209
♪ ♪
1337
01:06:20,292 --> 01:06:21,834
Gray:
You know, it's hard to pick
1338
01:06:21,918 --> 01:06:24,709
among these suspects
who's more fascinating.
1339
01:06:24,792 --> 01:06:26,500
You have Barbara Dayton,
1340
01:06:26,584 --> 01:06:29,000
who had the ability, the guts,
1341
01:06:29,083 --> 01:06:32,167
-to just do the job.
-(shutter flash)
1342
01:06:32,250 --> 01:06:35,125
I really saw Barb Dayton
with that kind of mind,
1343
01:06:35,209 --> 01:06:38,375
with that kind of
jump experience,
and with nothing to lose.
1344
01:06:39,918 --> 01:06:43,083
Dower:
What do you make of
the Floyd McCoy story?
1345
01:06:43,167 --> 01:06:46,083
Gray:
Yeah, McCoy was
somebody, to me, who,
1346
01:06:46,167 --> 01:06:49,209
who, mentally,
had the capacity
1347
01:06:49,292 --> 01:06:51,083
to be a skyjacker
1348
01:06:51,167 --> 01:06:53,709
and understand the skyjacker,
1349
01:06:53,792 --> 01:06:54,918
but was he the one?
1350
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:57,125
-(street chatter)
-(shutters snapping)
1351
01:06:57,209 --> 01:06:59,918
Smith:
Uh, the full story
of Richard McCoy
1352
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:01,959
has not been told.
1353
01:07:02,042 --> 01:07:04,792
A lot of it has been
told by Bernie Rhodes.
1354
01:07:04,876 --> 01:07:06,834
-(projector clicks)
-Bernie Rhodes was
1355
01:07:06,918 --> 01:07:10,042
a federal sentencing officer
1356
01:07:10,125 --> 01:07:13,834
in the McCoy copycat case.
1357
01:07:13,918 --> 01:07:16,751
But, um, Bernie
won't talk to me.
1358
01:07:16,834 --> 01:07:18,542
Bernie won't talk to anybody.
1359
01:07:18,626 --> 01:07:20,959
Dower:
I've been trying to get
hold of him for over a year.
1360
01:07:21,042 --> 01:07:24,792
I've been trying to get
a hold of him for 11 years!
1361
01:07:24,876 --> 01:07:28,125
-(insects chirping)
-(cars passing)
1362
01:07:36,375 --> 01:07:38,000
Dower:
Don't know...
1363
01:07:39,334 --> 01:07:41,459
Mr. Bernie Rhodes.
1364
01:07:42,918 --> 01:07:44,876
-Finally!
-Bernie Rhodes: Hello!
1365
01:07:44,959 --> 01:07:46,959
-Am I gonna sit back down?
-Yes, sir.
1366
01:07:47,042 --> 01:07:48,959
-(grunts)
-Awesome.
1367
01:07:50,417 --> 01:07:53,000
Smith:
Bernie has
a unique perspective
1368
01:07:53,083 --> 01:07:54,834
because, at the time,
1369
01:07:54,918 --> 01:07:57,667
the whole FBI office
in Salt Lake City
1370
01:07:57,751 --> 01:08:01,083
were absolutely
convinced that McCoy
1371
01:08:01,167 --> 01:08:04,250
did the copycat thing
as a second skyjacking
1372
01:08:04,334 --> 01:08:07,709
because he must've lost
the money on the way down.
1373
01:08:07,792 --> 01:08:10,709
Dower:
If Richard McCoy was DB Cooper,
1374
01:08:10,792 --> 01:08:13,000
why in the world
would he go back
1375
01:08:13,083 --> 01:08:15,000
five months later
1376
01:08:15,083 --> 01:08:18,792
and hijack Flight 855?
1377
01:08:18,876 --> 01:08:21,834
Because he lost
the money the first time.
1378
01:08:21,918 --> 01:08:25,083
The Bureau in Seattle
brought aboard
1379
01:08:25,167 --> 01:08:27,250
a duffel bag that had
1380
01:08:27,334 --> 01:08:29,626
no handles, no zippers,
1381
01:08:29,709 --> 01:08:32,125
so that it would be easily...
1382
01:08:32,209 --> 01:08:36,584
uh, fallen out of--
the money would've fallen out
1383
01:08:36,667 --> 01:08:39,375
of the bag on the way
when he jumped.
1384
01:08:39,459 --> 01:08:41,000
-(wind blowing)
-(engines roaring)
1385
01:08:41,083 --> 01:08:42,834
Dower:
Where did you interview
Richard McCoy?
1386
01:08:42,918 --> 01:08:44,626
Set the scene for me.
1387
01:08:44,709 --> 01:08:47,626
Rhodes:
It was in the old county jail.
1388
01:08:47,709 --> 01:08:49,500
Dower:
You asked him where was he
1389
01:08:49,584 --> 01:08:51,584
the Thanksgiving
the year before,
1390
01:08:51,667 --> 01:08:53,834
the day of
the DB Cooper hijacking.
1391
01:08:54,959 --> 01:08:57,083
He was adamant...
1392
01:08:58,209 --> 01:08:59,959
that he was home.
1393
01:09:00,042 --> 01:09:02,709
There was no question
in his mind.
1394
01:09:02,792 --> 01:09:06,834
And there was no question
in my mind that he was not.
1395
01:09:06,918 --> 01:09:08,542
♪ ♪
1396
01:09:08,626 --> 01:09:11,417
Dower:
You put the picture of
DB Cooper on the table.
1397
01:09:11,500 --> 01:09:14,000
How did he react to
the picture being there?
1398
01:09:14,083 --> 01:09:16,125
Rhodes:
At one point,
1399
01:09:16,209 --> 01:09:18,167
he reacted...
1400
01:09:18,250 --> 01:09:21,417
emotionally. And, uh...
1401
01:09:22,709 --> 01:09:26,209
I think turned his head
away. He avoided it,
1402
01:09:26,292 --> 01:09:29,334
until the end of that day,
1403
01:09:29,417 --> 01:09:31,751
when I had been
tough on him.
1404
01:09:31,834 --> 01:09:36,584
And then he became
very suspicious.
1405
01:09:36,667 --> 01:09:39,083
Did his mood change?
1406
01:09:39,167 --> 01:09:41,751
Did his personality change?
1407
01:09:41,834 --> 01:09:44,709
-Yes.
-Smith: He didn't deny...
1408
01:09:44,792 --> 01:09:47,083
that he was DB Cooper.
1409
01:09:47,167 --> 01:09:50,167
He didn't deny that
he had any part
1410
01:09:50,250 --> 01:09:52,417
in the Cooper case.
He just said,
1411
01:09:52,500 --> 01:09:54,626
"I ain't talkin' about that."
1412
01:09:54,709 --> 01:09:56,751
Rhodes:
Richard's eyes
1413
01:09:56,834 --> 01:09:59,209
rested on the Cooper drawing.
1414
01:09:59,292 --> 01:10:01,167
He was clearly curious,
1415
01:10:01,250 --> 01:10:04,125
but, uh, he never touched it
1416
01:10:04,209 --> 01:10:06,459
with his hands.
1417
01:10:06,542 --> 01:10:10,167
To me, that seemed
a little bit unnatural.
1418
01:10:10,250 --> 01:10:12,250
From where I sat that morning,
1419
01:10:12,334 --> 01:10:16,542
the face across
from me seemed identical
1420
01:10:17,918 --> 01:10:21,459
to the composite
drawing of DB Cooper.
1421
01:10:21,542 --> 01:10:23,000
♪ ♪
1422
01:10:23,083 --> 01:10:24,542
He knew that I was
1423
01:10:24,626 --> 01:10:27,459
close enough and I was
closing in on him.
1424
01:10:27,542 --> 01:10:29,167
(inaudible)
1425
01:10:29,250 --> 01:10:31,709
He just kept saying,
"I was home,"
1426
01:10:31,792 --> 01:10:34,751
when we knew he wasn't.
1427
01:10:34,834 --> 01:10:36,292
We had all of the evidence
1428
01:10:36,375 --> 01:10:38,292
from the Power Thrust
service station
1429
01:10:38,375 --> 01:10:40,167
in Las Vegas, Nevada.
1430
01:10:40,250 --> 01:10:42,918
Dower:
McCoy was in Las Vegas, Nevada,
1431
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:45,250
the day after
the Cooper hijacking,
1432
01:10:45,334 --> 01:10:47,584
despite saying
that he was at home
1433
01:10:47,667 --> 01:10:50,918
-in Utah for Thanksgiving.
-Bingo.
1434
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:54,292
Gas receipts,
telephone transcripts
1435
01:10:54,375 --> 01:10:58,125
from the phone company that
he made a phone call back home
1436
01:10:58,209 --> 01:10:59,834
the night of Thanksgiving Day,
1437
01:10:59,918 --> 01:11:02,334
that he wasn't home.
He was in Las Vegas.
1438
01:11:02,417 --> 01:11:05,792
There are, there are
multiple pieces of hard evidence
1439
01:11:05,876 --> 01:11:08,834
putting McCoy in Las Vegas.
1440
01:11:08,918 --> 01:11:11,083
Rhodes:
So there was no question that
1441
01:11:11,167 --> 01:11:14,083
McCoy was in Las Vegas,
1442
01:11:14,167 --> 01:11:17,667
and then went to
a casino, which we think
1443
01:11:17,751 --> 01:11:21,000
he laundered
the $8,000 or $10,000
1444
01:11:21,083 --> 01:11:24,459
that he had,
and had not lost.
1445
01:11:24,542 --> 01:11:29,334
And, uh,
called his wife in Provo,
1446
01:11:29,417 --> 01:11:31,125
and said,
"I'm on my way home."
1447
01:11:31,209 --> 01:11:33,250
Now, that's pretty compelling.
1448
01:11:33,334 --> 01:11:35,709
Is it circumstantial?
1449
01:11:35,792 --> 01:11:39,250
I think it's pretty close
to being hard evidence.
1450
01:11:39,334 --> 01:11:42,417
♪ ♪
1451
01:11:45,751 --> 01:11:49,000
-(reporters chattering)
-Smith: McCoy didn't
take that lying down.
1452
01:11:49,083 --> 01:11:51,209
He busted
out of jail the next day.
1453
01:11:51,292 --> 01:11:53,167
Got apprehended a second time.
1454
01:11:53,250 --> 01:11:55,918
Got sent to a little bit
higher security prison.
1455
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:58,083
Busted out of there, too,
1456
01:11:58,167 --> 01:12:00,584
and was on the lam
for quite a while.
1457
01:12:00,667 --> 01:12:04,167
And then the FBI got really
serious about Richard McCoy.
1458
01:12:05,751 --> 01:12:10,709
Particularly
Agent Nick O'Hara,
1459
01:12:10,792 --> 01:12:13,751
who actually
apprehended McCoy
1460
01:12:13,834 --> 01:12:16,375
many months later.
1461
01:12:16,459 --> 01:12:19,292
And actually killed
him in a gun battle.
1462
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:24,792
Dower:
What's it like to
shoot a man though?
1463
01:12:26,834 --> 01:12:29,709
Well, it's pretty easy
if they shoot first
1464
01:12:29,792 --> 01:12:32,500
because you get a lot
of second guessing
1465
01:12:32,584 --> 01:12:35,876
on police-involved shootings,
1466
01:12:35,959 --> 01:12:37,459
but ours was very clean
1467
01:12:37,542 --> 01:12:39,876
because he came in,
he could've given up,
1468
01:12:39,959 --> 01:12:42,876
he chose not to, and...
1469
01:12:42,959 --> 01:12:45,584
-(clicking)
-he just...
1470
01:12:45,667 --> 01:12:47,876
when it's,
when it's clean like that...
1471
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:51,375
that's about it.
1472
01:12:51,459 --> 01:12:55,250
It doesn't...
I don't feel anything, honestly.
1473
01:12:56,459 --> 01:12:58,209
♪ ♪
1474
01:12:58,292 --> 01:13:00,500
Reporter 1:
The FBI has reignited
a cold case
1475
01:13:00,584 --> 01:13:02,542
that has haunted
the bureau for years.
1476
01:13:02,626 --> 01:13:05,083
And this morning,
we have the exclusive story
1477
01:13:05,167 --> 01:13:07,250
from the woman who
believes she knows
1478
01:13:07,334 --> 01:13:09,626
the infamous
hijacker DB Cooper,
1479
01:13:09,709 --> 01:13:12,000
and her name is Marla Cooper.
1480
01:13:12,083 --> 01:13:13,834
Reporter 2:
A woman who gave the FBI
1481
01:13:13,918 --> 01:13:16,792
one of its most important leads
in the mystery of DB Cooper
1482
01:13:16,876 --> 01:13:19,042
says she thinks the case
is all but solved.
1483
01:13:19,125 --> 01:13:21,584
-You're kidding me.
Cooper as in...
-(laughs)
1484
01:13:21,667 --> 01:13:23,792
DB Cooper.
No-- This is not an alias.
1485
01:13:23,876 --> 01:13:27,542
-No.
-You believe that your
uncle was DB Cooper.
1486
01:13:27,626 --> 01:13:28,667
Yes, I do.
1487
01:13:28,751 --> 01:13:29,918
(indistinct chatter)
1488
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:32,751
Cooper:
Thanksgiving 2011,
I actually met
1489
01:13:32,834 --> 01:13:34,959
the FBI agent here in Seattle,
1490
01:13:35,042 --> 01:13:38,209
and he told me that
he was closing the case.
1491
01:13:38,292 --> 01:13:41,209
He said, "I'm satisfied that
you're telling the truth.
1492
01:13:41,292 --> 01:13:43,417
I think everybody
here is satisfied."
1493
01:13:43,500 --> 01:13:44,751
♪ ♪
1494
01:13:44,834 --> 01:13:46,500
Dower:
Was that the first time
the FBI had actually
1495
01:13:46,584 --> 01:13:48,417
nailed their colors
to a mast on a...
1496
01:13:48,500 --> 01:13:50,042
-Smith: Yeah.
-Dower: suspect?
1497
01:13:50,125 --> 01:13:53,125
I think they wanted
to bury the case.
1498
01:13:53,209 --> 01:13:55,834
I think it was the first effort
1499
01:13:56,918 --> 01:13:59,584
by the FBI to walk away.
1500
01:13:59,667 --> 01:14:02,250
Dower:
She did pass a polygraph test.
1501
01:14:02,334 --> 01:14:04,292
I think she believes it!
1502
01:14:04,375 --> 01:14:07,167
(stammers)
Marla's credible!
1503
01:14:07,250 --> 01:14:09,959
Marla believes her story!
1504
01:14:10,042 --> 01:14:12,000
Cooper:
The last time I saw Uncle LD
1505
01:14:12,083 --> 01:14:15,584
was Christmas a year
after the hijacking.
1506
01:14:15,667 --> 01:14:17,667
♪ ♪
1507
01:14:17,751 --> 01:14:20,167
It was that Christmas
1508
01:14:20,250 --> 01:14:22,834
that my parents took him
1509
01:14:22,918 --> 01:14:25,250
to the airport,
1510
01:14:25,334 --> 01:14:27,334
and I never saw him again.
1511
01:14:27,417 --> 01:14:30,959
(projector clicking)
1512
01:14:31,042 --> 01:14:37,000
And every year,
at Christmas and Thanksgiving,
1513
01:14:37,083 --> 01:14:41,167
I would say, "Where's LD?
Has anybody heard from LD?"
1514
01:14:41,250 --> 01:14:42,667
And nobody ever did.
1515
01:14:42,751 --> 01:14:44,834
(children laughing)
1516
01:14:44,918 --> 01:14:48,167
Dower:
So how did this
then all resurface
1517
01:14:48,250 --> 01:14:50,167
nearly 25 years later?
1518
01:14:52,542 --> 01:14:55,667
Cooper:
I remembered my father
telling me this...
1519
01:14:55,751 --> 01:15:00,959
story which was in
1995 at Christmas.
1520
01:15:01,042 --> 01:15:03,626
And I said, "Dad,
1521
01:15:03,709 --> 01:15:06,250
what do you think ever
happened to Uncle LD?"
1522
01:15:06,334 --> 01:15:08,125
(inaudible)
1523
01:15:08,209 --> 01:15:10,500
He, he goes,
"I really don't know, Marla.
1524
01:15:10,584 --> 01:15:12,167
I don't have any idea."
And I said,
1525
01:15:12,250 --> 01:15:14,083
"Do you think he's
still alive?" He said,
1526
01:15:14,167 --> 01:15:16,542
"Oh yeah. I'm sure
he's still alive."
1527
01:15:16,626 --> 01:15:19,334
He said, "But I think
he's still hiding."
1528
01:15:20,751 --> 01:15:25,250
And I said, "Hiding?
Who would he be hiding from?"
1529
01:15:25,334 --> 01:15:27,209
And he said,
"You know, the CIA
1530
01:15:27,292 --> 01:15:30,042
and the FBI."
And I said,
1531
01:15:30,125 --> 01:15:32,459
"Dad, why would
Uncle LD be hiding
1532
01:15:32,542 --> 01:15:34,542
from the FBI?" And he goes,
1533
01:15:34,626 --> 01:15:37,584
"Don't you remember?
He hijacked that airplane."
1534
01:15:37,667 --> 01:15:39,542
♪ ♪
1535
01:15:39,626 --> 01:15:42,292
So when Dad said this to me,
1536
01:15:44,125 --> 01:15:45,334
it was like
1537
01:15:45,417 --> 01:15:47,167
he unlocked
1538
01:15:47,250 --> 01:15:49,959
a secret box inside of my mind
1539
01:15:50,042 --> 01:15:52,042
that was--
that I'd forgotten.
1540
01:15:55,667 --> 01:15:58,417
My dad died one month after
1541
01:15:58,500 --> 01:16:00,667
I visited him at Christmas.
1542
01:16:00,751 --> 01:16:02,292
He had called me several times
1543
01:16:02,375 --> 01:16:05,959
and said,
"You know what happened.
You'll remember."
1544
01:16:06,042 --> 01:16:07,292
(indistinct chatter)
1545
01:16:07,375 --> 01:16:09,918
And I hadn't taken him
very seriously at the time.
1546
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:12,125
But when my memories
did surface,
1547
01:16:12,209 --> 01:16:14,584
I remembered that
mandate from him.
1548
01:16:14,667 --> 01:16:16,459
(projector clicking)
1549
01:16:16,542 --> 01:16:18,250
Dower:
Do you believe your uncle was,
1550
01:16:18,334 --> 01:16:21,792
or is, DB Dan Cooper?
1551
01:16:21,876 --> 01:16:25,083
I know my uncle
was DB Dan Cooper.
1552
01:16:26,792 --> 01:16:30,125
Dower:
You think your husband
was DB Cooper?
1553
01:16:30,209 --> 01:16:32,834
I know he was DB Cooper.
1554
01:16:33,959 --> 01:16:37,042
I know it, with all my heart
1555
01:16:37,125 --> 01:16:38,459
and all my soul.
1556
01:16:38,542 --> 01:16:41,751
Do you think I would've
given up 23 years of my life
1557
01:16:41,834 --> 01:16:45,834
if I didn't believe it
with all my heart and soul?
1558
01:16:45,918 --> 01:16:48,667
Dower:
Do you believe that
Richard Floyd McCoy
1559
01:16:48,751 --> 01:16:50,834
was DB Cooper?
1560
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:54,167
You know, I don't know
how you can just
1561
01:16:54,250 --> 01:16:57,667
dismiss all of the evidence.
1562
01:16:57,751 --> 01:17:01,626
Dower:
So do you believe
Barbara was DB Cooper?
1563
01:17:01,709 --> 01:17:03,125
Definitely.
1564
01:17:03,209 --> 01:17:04,626
-Hundred--
-Little by little,
1565
01:17:04,709 --> 01:17:08,459
just every little detail
that kept coming together,
1566
01:17:08,542 --> 01:17:10,500
and um...
1567
01:17:10,584 --> 01:17:13,209
-I just definitely
believe he was.
-I never had a doubt
1568
01:17:13,292 --> 01:17:15,167
from the minute
I saw that picture when
1569
01:17:15,250 --> 01:17:17,375
we combed the hair back,
and I'd flown with her.
1570
01:17:17,459 --> 01:17:19,459
I knew her, what
she was capable of doing.
1571
01:17:19,542 --> 01:17:23,334
(rumbling)
1572
01:17:23,417 --> 01:17:25,334
Let me grab the ashes, too.
1573
01:17:25,417 --> 01:17:29,250
This is Barb Dayton's
ashes, and I...
1574
01:17:29,334 --> 01:17:32,500
every now and then,
she kind of likes to go for
an airplane ride, you know?
1575
01:17:32,584 --> 01:17:36,000
-Dower: So, you seriously
take her ashes--
-I do seriously. Yes I do, yeah.
1576
01:17:36,083 --> 01:17:39,918
-(rumbling)
-Dower: Why do you think
they believe so much?
1577
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:41,959
Smith:
Part of it is
1578
01:17:42,042 --> 01:17:44,334
it's a validation
of their friend.
1579
01:17:44,417 --> 01:17:47,209
This is what their
friend told them.
1580
01:17:47,292 --> 01:17:51,292
And there's enough
compelling evidence...
1581
01:17:54,709 --> 01:17:56,918
to...
1582
01:17:57,000 --> 01:18:00,584
make all the neurological
synapses fire
1583
01:18:00,667 --> 01:18:02,667
to put it into
the truth category.
1584
01:18:02,751 --> 01:18:05,876
(plane rumbling)
1585
01:18:09,500 --> 01:18:12,584
(roaring)
1586
01:18:17,125 --> 01:18:20,542
Dower:
Now, you're one of
the few people who
1587
01:18:20,626 --> 01:18:23,792
have access to the FBI files.
1588
01:18:26,876 --> 01:18:27,834
Yeah.
1589
01:18:27,918 --> 01:18:31,167
♪ ♪
1590
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:37,334
I walked
into the basement
of the FBI archives
1591
01:18:37,417 --> 01:18:40,292
in a bureau field office,
1592
01:18:40,375 --> 01:18:44,083
and I just saw these
big closets of files,
1593
01:18:44,167 --> 01:18:45,959
and I thought,
1594
01:18:46,042 --> 01:18:47,918
"This is the Holy Land.
1595
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:50,292
"Like, I'm in, man. I'm in.
1596
01:18:50,375 --> 01:18:51,542
"It's gotta be here somewhere.
1597
01:18:51,626 --> 01:18:52,918
The answer's gotta
be here somewhere."
1598
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:54,834
No disrespect to the FBI,
but I thought,
1599
01:18:54,918 --> 01:18:57,584
"I can spend the time
and go through
40 years later,
1600
01:18:57,667 --> 01:18:59,292
and nail the sucker."
1601
01:19:01,542 --> 01:19:04,334
But what happens
in the Cooper case
1602
01:19:04,417 --> 01:19:07,417
is that the Cooper case files,
the majority of them,
1603
01:19:07,500 --> 01:19:09,667
they are hundreds,
1604
01:19:09,751 --> 01:19:11,626
if not thousands of letters,
1605
01:19:11,709 --> 01:19:14,292
poems, different pranks,
1606
01:19:14,375 --> 01:19:16,667
different suspicions
of people, who all
1607
01:19:16,751 --> 01:19:19,125
flooded the FBI
with their best tips,
1608
01:19:19,209 --> 01:19:21,167
thinking that their
neighbor was Cooper,
1609
01:19:21,250 --> 01:19:22,667
their ex-wives were Cooper.
1610
01:19:22,751 --> 01:19:24,834
Every complaint that people
seemed to have in America
1611
01:19:24,918 --> 01:19:26,417
seemed to be blamed on Cooper.
1612
01:19:27,918 --> 01:19:30,125
In the whole FBI file,
the vast majority of it
1613
01:19:30,209 --> 01:19:34,667
are just a sort of
depository of paranoia.
1614
01:19:34,751 --> 01:19:36,500
♪ ♪
1615
01:19:36,584 --> 01:19:39,500
Mitchell:
I've had people that
1616
01:19:39,584 --> 01:19:42,042
come up and tell me
that they've got
1617
01:19:42,125 --> 01:19:45,250
wife's cousin who,
1618
01:19:45,334 --> 01:19:48,083
on his deathbed,
said he was DB Cooper,
1619
01:19:48,167 --> 01:19:50,792
trying to get me to point to...
1620
01:19:52,417 --> 01:19:55,375
somebody-- that I would
recognize something.
1621
01:19:57,334 --> 01:19:59,626
Reporter:
Take the annual
DB Cooper festival
1622
01:19:59,709 --> 01:20:02,542
at the Ariel Washington
Tavern and Store.
1623
01:20:02,626 --> 01:20:05,876
There, enthusiasts
even reenact
Cooper's parachute jump.
1624
01:20:05,959 --> 01:20:07,626
(indistinct chatter)
1625
01:20:07,709 --> 01:20:10,667
Cooper is right here in this
place at this very minute.
1626
01:20:10,751 --> 01:20:12,584
I think he made it myself.
1627
01:20:12,667 --> 01:20:15,834
I do think so that
DB Cooper will live on.
1628
01:20:15,918 --> 01:20:19,125
Cooper:
The first thing that
kinda hit in my head was,
1629
01:20:19,209 --> 01:20:20,834
"That looks like my dad."
1630
01:20:20,918 --> 01:20:23,918
Woman 1: That is Bobby!
That looks just like Bobby!
That's Bobby!
1631
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:25,834
Man 1:
And he called me
1632
01:20:25,918 --> 01:20:28,292
to his bedside, and he said,
1633
01:20:28,375 --> 01:20:30,959
"There's something
you should know."
1634
01:20:31,042 --> 01:20:33,542
Mr. DB Cooper.
1635
01:20:33,626 --> 01:20:36,959
Ruddell:
I definitely believe
that was my dad.
1636
01:20:37,042 --> 01:20:38,584
Pat:
I miss her a lot.
1637
01:20:38,667 --> 01:20:40,542
I even talk to her
sometimes. (laughs)
1638
01:20:40,626 --> 01:20:43,167
Woman 2:
Can't say that he came
home bloodied and bruised
1639
01:20:43,250 --> 01:20:44,792
'cause he just
never came home.
1640
01:20:44,876 --> 01:20:48,209
Man 2:
That's where the bomb was.
Right in this attaché case.
1641
01:20:48,292 --> 01:20:50,626
Mitchell:
And they would send
me a picture and say,
1642
01:20:50,709 --> 01:20:54,167
"Can you tell me if
this guy was DB Cooper?"
1643
01:20:54,250 --> 01:20:55,876
You know, 50 years ago.
1644
01:20:55,959 --> 01:20:58,459
And I... no, I can't.
1645
01:20:58,542 --> 01:21:00,375
I've quit answering them.
1646
01:21:00,459 --> 01:21:03,500
♪ ♪
1647
01:21:07,042 --> 01:21:09,876
(wind blowing)
1648
01:21:13,417 --> 01:21:15,834
Collins:
I realize that there are
thousands of people who say,
1649
01:21:15,918 --> 01:21:18,334
"I know who Cooper is.
He's my dad, he's my uncle,
1650
01:21:18,417 --> 01:21:21,792
"he's so-and-so.
I've done all this research,
1651
01:21:21,876 --> 01:21:23,209
I know it, I know it,
I know it."
1652
01:21:23,292 --> 01:21:26,834
And I realize I sound
exactly like those people.
1653
01:21:26,918 --> 01:21:28,792
So I look at myself
and go, okay.
1654
01:21:28,876 --> 01:21:30,667
Is there any difference between
1655
01:21:30,751 --> 01:21:32,292
what I'm seeing
and what they're seeing?
1656
01:21:32,375 --> 01:21:34,459
Am I just as delusional
or whatever?
1657
01:21:34,542 --> 01:21:38,417
-Dower: It's endless.
-Collins: Yeah.
It's like an endless loop.
1658
01:21:38,500 --> 01:21:41,125
It just sucks people in.
1659
01:21:41,959 --> 01:21:45,042
♪ ♪
1660
01:21:46,792 --> 01:21:49,751
Dower:
These people all have
a DB Cooper-shaped hole
1661
01:21:49,834 --> 01:21:51,918
-in their lives.
-Smith: Hm.
1662
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:54,083
I hadn't realized that,
but I think you're right.
1663
01:21:54,167 --> 01:21:56,959
I think that's
an interesting perspective.
1664
01:21:57,042 --> 01:21:59,959
Dower:
What is your
DB Cooper-shaped hole?
1665
01:22:00,042 --> 01:22:03,250
-Why are you so engaged
with this story?
-(Smith sighs)
1666
01:22:03,334 --> 01:22:04,918
I don't have a full
understanding of it.
1667
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:07,292
I don't have a complete
answer for you on that.
1668
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:14,918
But I think Cooper speaks to
something bigger and deeper
1669
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:17,334
in more people.
1670
01:22:18,751 --> 01:22:20,709
People who think,
1671
01:22:20,792 --> 01:22:24,125
"I'm just not tough enough,
1672
01:22:24,209 --> 01:22:26,500
"I'm just not rich enough,
1673
01:22:26,584 --> 01:22:29,542
"and I just don't have
enough opportunities.
1674
01:22:29,626 --> 01:22:32,584
"And if I had a little
bit more of something,
1675
01:22:32,667 --> 01:22:34,000
"I'd have a better life.
1676
01:22:34,083 --> 01:22:36,751
"But Cooper figured it out.
1677
01:22:36,834 --> 01:22:39,792
"He's a smart guy,
I'm a smart guy.
1678
01:22:39,876 --> 01:22:41,626
"He figured, okay.
1679
01:22:41,709 --> 01:22:44,000
"I'm gonna jump out
of this airplane, 200,000.
1680
01:22:44,083 --> 01:22:45,626
"I'm gonna be in the woods,
1681
01:22:45,709 --> 01:22:49,500
"and he got away with it.
I wanna be a Cooper.
1682
01:22:49,584 --> 01:22:52,709
"I wanna be tough enough
to jump out of an airplane,
1683
01:22:52,792 --> 01:22:57,209
"in November, at 8:00
at night, in the rain.
1684
01:22:57,292 --> 01:22:58,876
"Not give a shit.
1685
01:22:58,959 --> 01:23:01,209
"And be smart enough to make it.
I'll get down to the ground.
1686
01:23:01,292 --> 01:23:03,834
"I'm a tough guy.
I'll know how to survive.
1687
01:23:03,918 --> 01:23:07,125
Country boys
know how to survive."
1688
01:23:07,709 --> 01:23:10,042
♪ ♪
1689
01:23:10,125 --> 01:23:12,834
Like I said,
all Cooper all the time.
1690
01:23:15,876 --> 01:23:17,500
Gray:
It's really not
about him anyway.
1691
01:23:17,584 --> 01:23:18,751
It's about the people.
1692
01:23:18,834 --> 01:23:20,626
It's about believing
in the fantasy.
1693
01:23:20,709 --> 01:23:24,667
It's about believing
in something.
1694
01:23:24,751 --> 01:23:28,000
We're kinda designed to believe
in things, and right now,
1695
01:23:28,083 --> 01:23:29,417
like what do you have
to believe in?
1696
01:23:29,500 --> 01:23:31,209
You know, there's not really
that much out there
1697
01:23:31,292 --> 01:23:34,042
that you get to
believe in that has
1698
01:23:34,125 --> 01:23:36,417
a sense of mystery,
a sense of notoriety attached,
1699
01:23:36,500 --> 01:23:38,042
a treasure to find.
1700
01:23:38,125 --> 01:23:40,167
It gives people
a chance to believe.
1701
01:23:42,334 --> 01:23:43,792
Dower:
It's kind of overwhelming.
1702
01:23:43,876 --> 01:23:45,167
There's so many
different stories,
1703
01:23:45,250 --> 01:23:47,042
so much evidence.
1704
01:23:47,125 --> 01:23:50,292
It's so easy to get lost
down the rabbit hole.
1705
01:23:50,375 --> 01:23:52,209
Well, I'll tell you what.
I want you to walk
1706
01:23:52,292 --> 01:23:54,626
through that rabbit hole
right there.
1707
01:23:54,709 --> 01:23:58,209
Just walk out through there,
and then come back.
1708
01:24:08,584 --> 01:24:11,667
And that actually wasn't
planned. (chuckles)
1709
01:24:11,751 --> 01:24:14,834
♪ ♪
1710
01:24:27,167 --> 01:24:29,918
But he can see
where he's going now.
1711
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:33,000
But he couldn't see it
at night, could he?
1712
01:24:33,083 --> 01:24:36,584
And look at how hard of
a time he's having now.
1713
01:24:47,667 --> 01:24:49,918
Crew Member:
I think he's lost.
1714
01:24:52,751 --> 01:24:54,000
(chuckles)
1715
01:24:54,083 --> 01:24:56,751
He's having some fun, isn't he?
1716
01:25:00,209 --> 01:25:02,918
Okay, just look for
any moving branch.
1717
01:25:03,751 --> 01:25:05,667
I lost track of him.
1718
01:25:05,751 --> 01:25:08,584
He'll be circling around on us.
1719
01:25:16,584 --> 01:25:20,375
Montoya:
There is the reputation
and the mystique
1720
01:25:20,459 --> 01:25:23,250
that the FBI always
gets its man.
1721
01:25:23,334 --> 01:25:25,584
They're kinda like
the Canadian Mounties, right?
1722
01:25:25,667 --> 01:25:27,751
But there are also
those instances
1723
01:25:27,834 --> 01:25:30,125
when we kinda have
to grin and bear it
1724
01:25:30,209 --> 01:25:32,209
and say, well, not in this case.
1725
01:25:34,876 --> 01:25:37,876
Reporter:
Agent Montoya,
why, why now?
1726
01:25:37,959 --> 01:25:40,083
Why the decision
to close this case now?
1727
01:25:40,167 --> 01:25:42,125
♪ ♪
1728
01:25:42,209 --> 01:25:43,876
Montoya:
We would love
to have solved this.
1729
01:25:43,959 --> 01:25:45,709
There's no question
about it.
1730
01:25:45,792 --> 01:25:47,876
I mean,
to see justice served,
1731
01:25:47,959 --> 01:25:49,792
and it doesn't feel good
1732
01:25:49,876 --> 01:25:53,250
to acknowledge that this is
1733
01:25:53,334 --> 01:25:57,834
the only unsolved skyjacking
in American history.
1734
01:25:57,918 --> 01:26:01,167
I think that what helps
is the fact that
it was 45 years old,
1735
01:26:01,250 --> 01:26:05,375
and realizing that there
just wasn't a lot to go on.
1736
01:26:05,459 --> 01:26:08,334
(stammers)
That it was time for us
to make that decision,
1737
01:26:08,417 --> 01:26:10,959
time for me to make
that decision to move on
to other things.
1738
01:26:11,042 --> 01:26:14,876
That's not to say
that it's, you know, dead
and over with forever.
1739
01:26:14,959 --> 01:26:16,417
If something were to arise,
1740
01:26:16,500 --> 01:26:18,918
those parachutes or that
money, we would gladly
1741
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:22,334
take that
and run with it.
1742
01:26:22,417 --> 01:26:26,083
It's transpired, along
with my history so to speak.
1743
01:26:26,167 --> 01:26:27,667
I remember watching television
1744
01:26:27,751 --> 01:26:30,083
and seeing
the original reports.
1745
01:26:30,167 --> 01:26:32,584
Never did I think I'd
be in this position today,
1746
01:26:32,667 --> 01:26:36,125
saying to you that
we're closing the case
and it's not resolved.
1747
01:26:36,209 --> 01:26:38,626
♪ ♪
1748
01:26:38,709 --> 01:26:41,375
Whether we like it or not,
it's part of our
cultural history.
1749
01:26:41,459 --> 01:26:43,417
Whether it's Jesse James,
you know,
1750
01:26:43,500 --> 01:26:45,000
or Butch and Sundance,
1751
01:26:45,083 --> 01:26:47,209
or Bonnie and Clyde.
1752
01:26:48,459 --> 01:26:50,167
I mean, there are a lot
of mysteries out there.
1753
01:26:50,250 --> 01:26:53,459
There's no question about it,
and this is gonna be
one of those.