1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:06,220 --> 00:00:09,540 - There was a place in Ocala, Florida called Spaceballs, 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 4 00:00:09,540 --> 00:00:11,600 which was a pool hall, 5 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:14,460 but also a place that we hung out at, a lot. 6 00:00:14,460 --> 00:00:18,030 The owner thought of us as sort of as a type of security. 7 00:00:18,030 --> 00:00:19,490 And one night, there was someone that showed up 8 00:00:19,490 --> 00:00:21,150 that he really did not like, 9 00:00:21,150 --> 00:00:23,830 and he wanted us to make the guy leave. 10 00:00:23,830 --> 00:00:24,990 I used to wear these rings, 11 00:00:24,990 --> 00:00:26,556 thinking that if I punched somebody, 12 00:00:26,556 --> 00:00:28,380 it was going to cause more pain and it did. 13 00:00:28,380 --> 00:00:30,150 Every time I hit this guy in the face, 14 00:00:30,150 --> 00:00:31,290 he would scream. 15 00:00:31,290 --> 00:00:32,123 And we had me hitting him. 16 00:00:32,123 --> 00:00:33,610 We had this guy, Mike, hitting him. 17 00:00:33,610 --> 00:00:36,050 One guy broke his hand, punching him so hard. 18 00:00:36,050 --> 00:00:38,460 So I'm punching harder and harder and harder. 19 00:00:38,460 --> 00:00:39,910 And eventually, he got loose. 20 00:00:39,910 --> 00:00:40,940 One shoe came off. 21 00:00:40,940 --> 00:00:41,773 I remember Joe taking it 22 00:00:41,773 --> 00:00:43,820 and just whizzed it across the parking lot. 23 00:00:43,820 --> 00:00:45,520 And as soon as we got him down on the ground, 24 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:46,920 I walked over and was like, all right, 25 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:48,340 and threw the guy a kick. 26 00:00:48,340 --> 00:00:50,797 It was basically kind of soft at first. 27 00:00:50,797 --> 00:00:52,137 And I remember the guy cried out, 28 00:00:52,137 --> 00:00:53,810 "Mama, mama". 29 00:00:53,810 --> 00:00:55,210 I had a thought for one second, 30 00:00:55,210 --> 00:00:58,610 when I was giving really brief kicks, 31 00:00:58,610 --> 00:01:01,830 that if you let this bother you now, 32 00:01:01,830 --> 00:01:04,140 it'll bother you for the rest of your life. 33 00:01:04,140 --> 00:01:05,330 So I made like a switch, 34 00:01:05,330 --> 00:01:07,600 learning how to turn my conscience off. 35 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:10,020 And at that point, I just kicked the ever-loving shit 36 00:01:10,020 --> 00:01:11,648 out of that guy. 37 00:01:11,648 --> 00:01:14,750 And , walked off and left him. 38 00:01:14,750 --> 00:01:16,750 He wasn't black or Hispanic, 39 00:01:16,750 --> 00:01:19,240 not a person of color at all. 40 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:22,530 He was just a stupid white guy doing stupid stuff 41 00:01:22,530 --> 00:01:26,744 that was in the wrong place at the right time. 42 00:01:32,960 --> 00:01:34,100 - In recent years, 43 00:01:34,100 --> 00:01:36,350 we've become accustomed to hearing how the Jewish Agency 44 00:01:36,350 --> 00:01:38,160 for Israel has rescued Jews 45 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,453 from areas of distress like Yugoslavia, Chechnya, 46 00:01:42,660 --> 00:01:45,650 and brought them to safety here in Israel. 47 00:01:45,650 --> 00:01:47,330 But when we hear that the Jewish Agency 48 00:01:47,330 --> 00:01:49,150 has rescued a young American Jew 49 00:01:49,150 --> 00:01:51,160 from Daytona Beach, Florida, 50 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:53,320 that's another story, altogether. 51 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:54,740 It's the story of John Daly. 52 00:01:54,740 --> 00:01:56,070 Welcome John. 53 00:01:56,070 --> 00:01:59,480 Your story begins back in 1990 on a beach in Florida. 54 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:00,313 What happened? 55 00:02:00,313 --> 00:02:02,690 - A group of seven Neo-Nazi skinheads, 56 00:02:02,690 --> 00:02:04,850 some of whom were from the town of Ocala that I lived in, 57 00:02:04,850 --> 00:02:09,163 recognized me and proceeded to do their best to do me in. 58 00:02:10,145 --> 00:02:12,600 - And they tried to kill you? - Yes, sir. 59 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:13,740 - Hate crime in general, 60 00:02:13,740 --> 00:02:15,560 there there's no statute of limitations on hate crimes. 61 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,710 So therefore, I'm gonna have to reframe from- 62 00:02:18,710 --> 00:02:19,543 - Okay. - I mean. 63 00:02:19,543 --> 00:02:20,610 If there's certain things I say, 64 00:02:20,610 --> 00:02:22,310 I can literally wind up in prison. 65 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:27,740 - One of them shouted out, "Die, Jew boy die". 66 00:02:29,197 --> 00:02:30,300 And they pulled me into the ocean. 67 00:02:30,300 --> 00:02:31,830 And two of them sat on me 68 00:02:31,830 --> 00:02:34,410 to make sure that I couldn't get up. 69 00:02:34,410 --> 00:02:35,790 - The perpetrators of this crime 70 00:02:35,790 --> 00:02:38,750 are members of a known national organization 71 00:02:38,750 --> 00:02:42,450 who would not stop at murdering John, 72 00:02:42,450 --> 00:02:45,780 in part, I think to save themselves from prosecution, 73 00:02:45,780 --> 00:02:47,173 somewhere down the line. 74 00:02:48,270 --> 00:02:49,170 - Because those kinds of people, 75 00:02:49,170 --> 00:02:51,356 when you commit crimes, they don't forget. 76 00:02:51,356 --> 00:02:53,260 I mean, like they don't forget. 77 00:02:53,260 --> 00:02:56,150 And when you do it, you don't want them to forget, 78 00:02:56,150 --> 00:02:58,680 you know, you want them to know what you're doing is wrong. 79 00:02:58,680 --> 00:02:59,513 It's against them. 80 00:02:59,513 --> 00:03:00,950 It's hatred. 81 00:03:00,950 --> 00:03:02,910 Hey, I'm right here, don't forget me. 82 00:03:02,910 --> 00:03:04,960 We're never going to let you live in peace. 83 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,668 - Luckily you survived, amazingly survived. 84 00:03:07,668 --> 00:03:08,501 - Yes sir. 85 00:03:08,501 --> 00:03:10,480 It's really hard to believe almost 86 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:14,610 that this kind of antisemitism, skinhead attacks, 87 00:03:14,610 --> 00:03:17,170 exists in the United States. 88 00:03:17,170 --> 00:03:18,620 Is this an isolated incident 89 00:03:18,620 --> 00:03:20,080 or do you know of others like it? 90 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:21,700 - No, I don't believe it's an isolated incident. 91 00:03:21,700 --> 00:03:25,750 I think that, while the attacks may not be against 92 00:03:25,750 --> 00:03:27,730 necessarily Jews in general, 93 00:03:27,730 --> 00:03:28,780 but they're against minorities. 94 00:03:28,780 --> 00:03:32,660 And I think any attack on any minority is an attack on us. 95 00:03:32,660 --> 00:03:34,180 - Six years after they were sent to jail, 96 00:03:34,180 --> 00:03:35,300 if I remember correctly, 97 00:03:35,300 --> 00:03:37,130 two of the people who attacked you were released. 98 00:03:37,130 --> 00:03:39,110 Did things change for you? 99 00:03:39,110 --> 00:03:40,630 - They were beginning to. 100 00:03:40,630 --> 00:03:41,890 Some of the people went to jail 101 00:03:41,890 --> 00:03:43,500 for just assault and battery. 102 00:03:43,500 --> 00:03:45,690 Two went to jail for attempted murder. 103 00:03:45,690 --> 00:03:48,670 They were leaders in the racist organizations 104 00:03:48,670 --> 00:03:50,363 and they had made it clear that when they got out, 105 00:03:50,363 --> 00:03:52,253 that they were going to finish the job. 106 00:03:54,930 --> 00:03:58,190 - I always thought I had the greatest criminal mind 107 00:03:58,190 --> 00:04:00,000 of anyone I'd ever met. 108 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,040 And John loved to entertain these ideas, 109 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:03,790 'cause I always had some good ones. 110 00:04:05,340 --> 00:04:07,240 We just, you know, basically, 111 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:08,470 somehow stayed out of trouble, 112 00:04:08,470 --> 00:04:10,900 while causing a lot of trouble. 113 00:04:10,900 --> 00:04:13,520 One of our favorite things to do was go shooting. 114 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,350 We both had matching 38, five shots 115 00:04:15,350 --> 00:04:17,580 and we put 'em to work. 116 00:04:17,580 --> 00:04:19,910 - The skinheads are an organization such that 117 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:23,420 members from Orlando will sit around and laugh 118 00:04:23,420 --> 00:04:25,830 and joke around at the beginning of the evening, 119 00:04:25,830 --> 00:04:28,630 telling stories about the houses they fire-bombed 120 00:04:28,630 --> 00:04:30,960 or the former members that they shot 121 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,650 before they began any discussions. 122 00:04:33,650 --> 00:04:36,280 That way that the groundwork has been laid for you 123 00:04:36,280 --> 00:04:39,461 to understand what happens to people that just walk away. 124 00:04:51,690 --> 00:04:55,480 - What drew me to John was he was very quiet, 125 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:56,320 very well thought. 126 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:59,020 You could tell he was an incredibly methodical person. 127 00:05:00,010 --> 00:05:01,070 He was like a chess player. 128 00:05:01,070 --> 00:05:03,910 He was like Bobby Fisher, he was always 10 moves ahead. 129 00:05:03,910 --> 00:05:06,516 He knew what he wanted from life, it seemed. 130 00:05:06,516 --> 00:05:09,023 He wanted the same things I wanted, power. 131 00:05:09,990 --> 00:05:11,300 I was almost like his antithesis 132 00:05:11,300 --> 00:05:13,520 'cause I was very quick to react and very loud. 133 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:15,020 And John was exactly the opposite, 134 00:05:15,020 --> 00:05:16,840 very calm, cool and collective. 135 00:05:16,840 --> 00:05:19,110 When he would get mad, he would almost whisper 136 00:05:19,110 --> 00:05:20,450 very quiet and smile a lot, 137 00:05:20,450 --> 00:05:23,290 where as I would get loud and in your face 138 00:05:23,290 --> 00:05:24,890 and move around a bunch. 139 00:05:24,890 --> 00:05:27,968 So it was an odd dichotomy with the two of us together. 140 00:05:32,100 --> 00:05:35,270 - At the hospital bed, we pressed John for more information. 141 00:05:35,270 --> 00:05:37,320 He said it was his friends, 142 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:38,920 so-called friends who had beat him up. 143 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,213 And that's when his story began to come out. 144 00:05:43,090 --> 00:05:44,263 He was very selfish. 145 00:05:46,390 --> 00:05:47,770 Can still be. 146 00:05:47,770 --> 00:05:49,150 The tumor has been the best thing 147 00:05:49,150 --> 00:05:51,093 that ever happened to him, has made him humble. 148 00:05:52,090 --> 00:05:55,243 And I used to pray, God, he needs to be broken. 149 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:02,070 John's father came from a very violent background. 150 00:06:02,070 --> 00:06:04,690 He brought that into the marriage. 151 00:06:04,690 --> 00:06:07,090 Guns, knives, you name it. 152 00:06:07,090 --> 00:06:09,780 I've had it held to my head, to my throat. 153 00:06:09,780 --> 00:06:12,083 - My dad, when he was younger, 154 00:06:13,590 --> 00:06:18,430 was a gang leader in New York City. 155 00:06:18,430 --> 00:06:21,350 No small thing unto itself. 156 00:06:21,350 --> 00:06:22,960 My dad would hit Puerto Ricans 157 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,140 to see which way they would fall. 158 00:06:25,140 --> 00:06:27,400 That was something I remember hearing more than once 159 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:30,000 from various members of my family as I grew up. 160 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:31,690 When he was younger, 161 00:06:31,690 --> 00:06:34,663 he ran over my grandfather and shot my uncle, 162 00:06:36,990 --> 00:06:38,023 both in the same night. 163 00:06:38,023 --> 00:06:39,760 - It's about feeling safe 164 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:42,250 and not feeling alone and feeling you're part of something, 165 00:06:42,250 --> 00:06:44,120 even if it wasn't something you wanted to be a part of, 166 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,325 once you were in, you know, 167 00:06:47,325 --> 00:06:51,230 once I was tattooed and you know, recruited, 168 00:06:51,230 --> 00:06:52,780 I was top of the pecking order. 169 00:06:53,660 --> 00:06:54,680 As soon as you bring, you know, 170 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:56,390 five or six people to the table, 171 00:06:56,390 --> 00:06:58,090 all of a sudden, everybody loves you. 172 00:06:58,090 --> 00:06:59,140 - One thing that separated me 173 00:06:59,140 --> 00:07:00,590 from a lot of the other guys 174 00:07:00,590 --> 00:07:01,660 and something that got me noticed 175 00:07:01,660 --> 00:07:03,800 was the fact that I had no tattoos. 176 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:05,910 The only tats I wanted 177 00:07:05,910 --> 00:07:08,730 were ones that no one would give me. 178 00:07:08,730 --> 00:07:11,050 I wanted skins on the inside of my lip. 179 00:07:11,050 --> 00:07:13,460 The other tat that I wanted was a spiderweb 180 00:07:13,460 --> 00:07:14,800 showing that I'd killed somebody. 181 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:18,410 And that of course, I had yet to earn. 182 00:07:18,410 --> 00:07:20,200 I remember one day there was, 183 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,070 I was at somebody's house. 184 00:07:22,070 --> 00:07:23,820 One of the apartments in the area 185 00:07:23,820 --> 00:07:26,210 and a crew of black guys showed up 186 00:07:26,210 --> 00:07:28,580 and they said they wanted one of the guys inside, 187 00:07:28,580 --> 00:07:30,180 a white guy, a friend of mine. 188 00:07:30,180 --> 00:07:33,200 And I don't know how many it was, 189 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:34,710 but they just came into the door 190 00:07:34,710 --> 00:07:36,720 and jumped on him, started beating on him. 191 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:38,110 Got him back into the kitchen. 192 00:07:38,110 --> 00:07:42,010 And there was a frying pan on the kitchen stove, 193 00:07:42,010 --> 00:07:43,900 a nice big lead frying pan. 194 00:07:43,900 --> 00:07:45,210 And it made an interesting whack 195 00:07:45,210 --> 00:07:46,160 when they hit him in the head. 196 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,340 They hit him so hard, they dented this metal frying pan 197 00:07:49,340 --> 00:07:50,573 on top of his head. 198 00:07:52,061 --> 00:07:54,690 And just the fear and helplessness at that moment 199 00:07:54,690 --> 00:07:56,550 that I had no one I could call and no one to turn to. 200 00:07:56,550 --> 00:07:58,630 There's no one that I could say, hey, I need help, 201 00:07:58,630 --> 00:07:59,730 that could come. 202 00:07:59,730 --> 00:08:03,830 And that was a terrifying moment. 203 00:08:03,830 --> 00:08:07,380 - Because of the bullying he'd had from black people, 204 00:08:07,380 --> 00:08:08,860 he got, so he didn't like him. 205 00:08:08,860 --> 00:08:10,240 And it put a fear in him. 206 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,330 And all of a sudden, he finds these people 207 00:08:12,330 --> 00:08:14,943 to be a part of that's got his back. 208 00:08:15,810 --> 00:08:17,220 He was tired of being picked on. 209 00:08:17,220 --> 00:08:18,690 And I can't say, as I blame him. 210 00:08:18,690 --> 00:08:20,720 - When I turned against racism, 211 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,920 was basically a group of skinheads. 212 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:25,620 One racist. 213 00:08:25,620 --> 00:08:27,560 They weren't active, 214 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:29,040 doing much more than just seeking 215 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,020 where the next beer was going to come from 216 00:08:31,020 --> 00:08:33,610 and looking out for one another. 217 00:08:33,610 --> 00:08:35,350 And that was something that was new to me. 218 00:08:35,350 --> 00:08:38,000 And I was instantly drawn to it. 219 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:39,110 I saw their style of dress. 220 00:08:39,110 --> 00:08:40,130 I saw their comradery. 221 00:08:40,130 --> 00:08:41,250 The fact that they flowed together, 222 00:08:41,250 --> 00:08:42,440 laughed together 223 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:44,920 and more importantly, they all had each other's back. 224 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:46,367 - You know, coming from being a geeky kid 225 00:08:46,367 --> 00:08:47,530 who was picked on, 226 00:08:47,530 --> 00:08:50,290 you know, never felt to belong 227 00:08:50,290 --> 00:08:53,240 to all of a sudden have people that would do your biddings, 228 00:08:54,530 --> 00:08:55,363 it feels good. 229 00:08:55,363 --> 00:08:56,740 I'm not gonna lie, it feels good. 230 00:08:56,740 --> 00:08:58,360 - One of the guys lifted up his shirt, 231 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:01,750 showed me a white hand and a black hand breaking a swastika. 232 00:09:01,750 --> 00:09:03,210 And he said, oh, it's cool that you're Jewish. 233 00:09:03,210 --> 00:09:06,050 You know, we don't have a problem with races, whatsoever. 234 00:09:06,050 --> 00:09:10,220 There were some guys from AYF that did have racist, 235 00:09:10,220 --> 00:09:13,010 white supremacy tattoos 236 00:09:13,010 --> 00:09:14,100 that I didn't know about. 237 00:09:14,100 --> 00:09:15,610 They were hidden on their bodies 238 00:09:15,610 --> 00:09:18,040 that I didn't see until much, much later. 239 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:20,290 Two of the guys went down to Orlando 240 00:09:20,290 --> 00:09:21,150 and while they were down there, 241 00:09:21,150 --> 00:09:23,656 they met up with some racist skinheads from AYF, 242 00:09:23,656 --> 00:09:24,862 Aryan Youth Force. 243 00:09:24,862 --> 00:09:26,760 AYF was led by a guy named Richie 244 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,870 who was a diehard neo-Nazi skinhead. 245 00:09:29,870 --> 00:09:32,300 One day there was a knock at my front door 246 00:09:32,300 --> 00:09:33,890 and he was outside 247 00:09:33,890 --> 00:09:36,330 with two other neo-Nazi skinheads. 248 00:09:36,330 --> 00:09:38,230 So in the back of my mind, I was like, all right, 249 00:09:38,230 --> 00:09:39,323 if this is for you, 250 00:09:40,340 --> 00:09:43,130 like if they're here for you, go with them. 251 00:09:43,130 --> 00:09:45,160 I didn't know that the guys that he'd met up with 252 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,520 had already handed over the names and addresses 253 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:49,510 of everybody where we all lived. 254 00:09:49,510 --> 00:09:51,943 And he didn't know I was Jewish. 255 00:09:52,900 --> 00:09:54,390 That was one piece of information 256 00:09:54,390 --> 00:09:56,550 that Chris and them, kept to themselves. 257 00:09:56,550 --> 00:09:57,900 So as I rode with him 258 00:09:57,900 --> 00:10:00,260 and they're telling me about this organization 259 00:10:00,260 --> 00:10:01,463 that they belong to, 260 00:10:01,463 --> 00:10:04,380 they're like, oh yeah, you remember that guy, Bobby? 261 00:10:04,380 --> 00:10:05,630 Bobby moved to different city. 262 00:10:05,630 --> 00:10:07,990 They found him crucified in his front yard. 263 00:10:07,990 --> 00:10:09,370 And each one told a story about somebody 264 00:10:09,370 --> 00:10:12,610 who's mysteriously this, mysterious this, mysteriously that. 265 00:10:12,610 --> 00:10:14,090 Then Richie leaned over the back and said, 266 00:10:14,090 --> 00:10:15,500 oh, welcome aboard. 267 00:10:15,500 --> 00:10:17,040 And I knew at that moment, 268 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:18,510 that I wasn't being asked, 269 00:10:18,510 --> 00:10:20,820 I was being told, one, you're not with us. 270 00:10:20,820 --> 00:10:22,920 And two, if you try and leave... 271 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,690 It wasn't that they did this to strangers that refused them, 272 00:10:25,690 --> 00:10:27,730 they did to their friends. 273 00:10:27,730 --> 00:10:31,000 So at that moment, I wasn't going to say, wait a second, 274 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:32,850 I'm Jewish, I can't be involved. 275 00:10:32,850 --> 00:10:33,900 Little did I know I was meeting 276 00:10:33,900 --> 00:10:38,080 with my future attempted murderer, that day. 277 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,440 - He's trying to hide the fact that he's a Jew, 278 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,150 getting more and more involved 279 00:10:43,150 --> 00:10:47,710 in serious racist skinhead meetings. 280 00:10:47,710 --> 00:10:48,940 There was no internet. 281 00:10:48,940 --> 00:10:50,320 There was no computers. 282 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:51,840 You didn't have cell phones. 283 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:55,810 - These guys are totally meshed in society. 284 00:10:55,810 --> 00:10:56,740 I knew they could find me 285 00:10:56,740 --> 00:10:58,220 because you just didn't know, if you'd look, 286 00:10:58,220 --> 00:11:00,450 the guy sitting next to you in a restaurant 287 00:11:00,450 --> 00:11:02,820 was a supporter, was active. 288 00:11:02,820 --> 00:11:06,380 And when you see that at 16 years old, 289 00:11:06,380 --> 00:11:07,990 that you're near a police cruiser 290 00:11:07,990 --> 00:11:10,390 and a police officer in uniform, 291 00:11:10,390 --> 00:11:12,620 who's talking to you as an equal 292 00:11:12,620 --> 00:11:14,250 because you're a racist and thinking, wow, 293 00:11:14,250 --> 00:11:15,260 I can't call the cops. 294 00:11:15,260 --> 00:11:16,870 What if they send this guy? 295 00:11:16,870 --> 00:11:18,780 There were parties, you'd hear people bragging 296 00:11:18,780 --> 00:11:20,440 about hanging out with judges. 297 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:22,260 You'd hear people talking about 298 00:11:22,260 --> 00:11:24,300 hanging out with politicians. 299 00:11:24,300 --> 00:11:27,160 I couldn't type into Google in 1990, 300 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:30,210 hey, how do I get out a neo-Nazi organization? 301 00:11:30,210 --> 00:11:31,180 Can you help me? 302 00:11:31,180 --> 00:11:32,990 I couldn't turn to my parents and say, hey, 303 00:11:32,990 --> 00:11:34,180 I know you guys don't have money. 304 00:11:34,180 --> 00:11:35,460 Let's move to another city, 305 00:11:35,460 --> 00:11:36,410 change our names 306 00:11:36,410 --> 00:11:38,370 and try and go into the Witness Protection Program. 307 00:11:38,370 --> 00:11:40,560 No, it doesn't work like. 308 00:11:40,560 --> 00:11:42,460 - And I would say, where are you going, John? 309 00:11:42,460 --> 00:11:43,490 I'm going out? 310 00:11:43,490 --> 00:11:44,670 Well, how did you hurt your fist? 311 00:11:44,670 --> 00:11:45,770 It looks bruised. 312 00:11:45,770 --> 00:11:47,900 I don't know, I just knocked it against something. 313 00:11:47,900 --> 00:11:49,830 And suddenly, the doors shut. 314 00:11:49,830 --> 00:11:52,080 I wasn't a part of John's life anymore. 315 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:53,810 - I really stopped dealing my parents, 316 00:11:53,810 --> 00:11:55,490 my brothers and other people around me, 317 00:11:55,490 --> 00:11:57,000 even some very close friends. 318 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:58,180 - They walked down the hall 319 00:11:58,180 --> 00:12:01,120 in their Dr. Marten boots or combat boots 320 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:04,420 and the kids and the teachers stepped back 321 00:12:04,420 --> 00:12:06,090 and made way for them. 322 00:12:06,090 --> 00:12:08,450 - And by association, whether you're tough or not, 323 00:12:08,450 --> 00:12:10,350 all of a sudden you are, 324 00:12:10,350 --> 00:12:12,630 and you scare the shit out of people, 325 00:12:12,630 --> 00:12:14,520 which is very attractive to somebody 326 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:16,093 that months prior, 327 00:12:18,710 --> 00:12:19,543 was picked on. 328 00:12:20,570 --> 00:12:23,180 And all of a sudden, you're placed in a position where, 329 00:12:23,180 --> 00:12:25,930 hey, I can defend myself now. 330 00:12:25,930 --> 00:12:28,090 I don't have to be afraid anymore. 331 00:12:28,090 --> 00:12:29,890 On one hand, I'm terrified 332 00:12:29,890 --> 00:12:31,800 that they're going to find out on I'm Jewish, 333 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:33,680 but on the other, I think it's so far away, 334 00:12:33,680 --> 00:12:36,170 the chance is so far, so remote, 335 00:12:36,170 --> 00:12:38,180 so removed from me, 336 00:12:38,180 --> 00:12:40,940 that I'm safe now. 337 00:12:40,940 --> 00:12:43,410 I've actually found safety in the embrace of Nazis 338 00:12:43,410 --> 00:12:44,243 and as a Jew. 339 00:12:44,243 --> 00:12:46,770 So if I'm stuck and there's nothing I can do, 340 00:12:46,770 --> 00:12:48,280 I might as well try and be 341 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:52,000 as tough and as crazy and as wild 342 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,290 as the rest of the people around me. 343 00:12:54,290 --> 00:12:56,930 The American front was a national organization 344 00:12:56,930 --> 00:12:59,410 with chapters all over the United States. 345 00:12:59,410 --> 00:13:00,710 And we started by David Lynch, 346 00:13:00,710 --> 00:13:03,300 who was the Eastern States chairman of the American front, 347 00:13:03,300 --> 00:13:07,530 who had ostensibly had 5,000 soldiers under his command. 348 00:13:07,530 --> 00:13:08,610 And Bob Heick. 349 00:13:08,610 --> 00:13:11,960 Bob Heick was somebody that was on the Geraldo Rivera Show. 350 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:16,040 - Sick and tired of hearing the sob stories from kikes. 351 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,326 I get sick and tired of seeing Uncle Tom here. 352 00:13:39,140 --> 00:13:41,010 - He's a member of a group 353 00:13:41,010 --> 00:13:43,660 where most of them haven't even finished high school. 354 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:47,530 And he's had his nose in books since he was a kid. 355 00:13:47,530 --> 00:13:50,530 He knows the history of World War I, World War II, 356 00:13:50,530 --> 00:13:52,700 the weapons, everything about it. 357 00:13:52,700 --> 00:13:55,150 Both sides, the German side and the other side, 358 00:13:55,150 --> 00:13:56,830 allies side. 359 00:13:56,830 --> 00:13:59,450 So when he was involved with these people, 360 00:13:59,450 --> 00:14:00,960 he would keep them straight. 361 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:02,370 They'd try to tell him a story 362 00:14:02,370 --> 00:14:03,890 and he'd say, it didn't happen that way. 363 00:14:03,890 --> 00:14:05,170 It happened this way. 364 00:14:05,170 --> 00:14:07,657 And he could produce the facts and the book 365 00:14:07,657 --> 00:14:11,040 and the page and show you where it happened. 366 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:14,290 So these people, the leaders began to see, 367 00:14:14,290 --> 00:14:16,300 hey, we got a kid that can think on his feet. 368 00:14:16,300 --> 00:14:18,500 He's not just out there boozing and fighting 369 00:14:20,318 --> 00:14:21,710 and creating a ruckus. 370 00:14:21,710 --> 00:14:22,660 He can think. 371 00:14:22,660 --> 00:14:24,500 He knows how to think on his feet. 372 00:14:24,500 --> 00:14:26,430 And they begin to take an interest in him. 373 00:14:26,430 --> 00:14:29,890 This was a leader that they wanted to train. 374 00:14:29,890 --> 00:14:32,343 - Bob Heick called me a good little racist. 375 00:14:33,940 --> 00:14:36,750 One day when I asked about if he'd said anything about me, 376 00:14:36,750 --> 00:14:38,460 and that's what was relayed back to me. 377 00:14:38,460 --> 00:14:41,020 Bob said, you a good little racist. 378 00:14:41,020 --> 00:14:43,320 And I remember at the time, being so touched. 379 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:44,960 So for Bob, this was something, 380 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:46,960 I was somebody that he knew, 381 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:47,900 David Lynch, as well. 382 00:14:47,900 --> 00:14:50,060 I was somebody he'd spoken to. 383 00:14:50,060 --> 00:14:52,290 In the summer of 1990, I received a phone call, 384 00:14:52,290 --> 00:14:55,430 saying, I want you to be the Northern Florida leader 385 00:14:55,430 --> 00:14:56,593 of the American front. 386 00:14:57,980 --> 00:15:00,080 All of North Florida belongs to you. 387 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,290 I now had, in my mind, 388 00:15:03,290 --> 00:15:04,573 unlimited power. 389 00:15:05,860 --> 00:15:08,020 I knew that I could pick up a phone, 390 00:15:08,020 --> 00:15:11,130 make a call and say, I want something done. 391 00:15:11,130 --> 00:15:12,750 And there were guys that would do it. 392 00:15:12,750 --> 00:15:14,330 It wasn't something that I was going to say, 393 00:15:14,330 --> 00:15:15,980 oh, no thank you. 394 00:15:15,980 --> 00:15:18,500 And truthfully, I was honored and flattered 395 00:15:18,500 --> 00:15:20,210 that I had been recognized. 396 00:15:20,210 --> 00:15:21,910 - We talked a little bit about it. 397 00:15:21,910 --> 00:15:24,000 And I remember telling John, 398 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,150 John, you've been to Yad Vashem. 399 00:15:26,150 --> 00:15:28,810 You've seen what the Nazis did. 400 00:15:28,810 --> 00:15:30,503 They killed Jews. 401 00:15:32,700 --> 00:15:36,080 And he just sorta like shrugged his shoulders, 402 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:37,470 like, oh well. 403 00:15:37,470 --> 00:15:39,950 - I distinctly remember my mom sitting me down one night 404 00:15:39,950 --> 00:15:44,950 and saying, John, they're going to hurt you. 405 00:15:45,220 --> 00:15:46,180 I knew what she meant. 406 00:15:46,180 --> 00:15:47,918 When they find out you're Jewish, 407 00:15:47,918 --> 00:15:49,530 they're going to hurt you. 408 00:15:49,530 --> 00:15:50,810 - I didn't find out, John was Jewish, 409 00:15:50,810 --> 00:15:53,093 I think until they tried to put him in the ground, 410 00:15:54,417 --> 00:15:57,493 was how I found out. 411 00:15:58,690 --> 00:16:02,300 - The evening of October, the sixth, 1990, 412 00:16:02,300 --> 00:16:05,250 the phone kept ringing off the hook. 413 00:16:05,250 --> 00:16:06,100 And it was Heather, 414 00:16:06,100 --> 00:16:09,250 the ex-wife of one of John's best friends. 415 00:16:09,250 --> 00:16:11,590 And with urgency, she kept saying, 416 00:16:11,590 --> 00:16:13,570 he must be at Daytona Beach. 417 00:16:13,570 --> 00:16:15,310 We're having a special meeting tonight. 418 00:16:15,310 --> 00:16:17,020 He's got to be there. 419 00:16:17,020 --> 00:16:17,853 - And uh, 420 00:16:19,500 --> 00:16:20,333 that's when, 421 00:16:22,500 --> 00:16:24,150 I found out that they knew, yeah. 422 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:26,590 Everybody was involved. 423 00:16:26,590 --> 00:16:27,730 None of these guys were going out of their way 424 00:16:27,730 --> 00:16:30,110 to be like, hey, maybe you should get out of here. 425 00:16:30,110 --> 00:16:32,870 Every time I went into a room, it would get quiet. 426 00:16:32,870 --> 00:16:34,360 I'm like, man, this is weird. 427 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,760 This is just the weirdest vibe I've ever gotten. 428 00:16:37,830 --> 00:16:40,370 At one point, someone said, let's go down to the beach. 429 00:16:40,370 --> 00:16:42,830 One guy punched me behind my ear. 430 00:16:42,830 --> 00:16:44,570 I heard somebody shout, "Now!" 431 00:16:44,570 --> 00:16:47,860 Then the rest came in and the punches just started flying. 432 00:16:47,860 --> 00:16:49,120 And I'm shouting out, "I'm a skinhead", 433 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,270 'cause I was trying to think, in my mind, 434 00:16:51,270 --> 00:16:53,345 I'm trying to rationalize why this was happening. 435 00:16:57,100 --> 00:16:59,850 And somebody shouted out, "Die Jew boy, die". 436 00:16:59,850 --> 00:17:01,173 And at that point I knew, 437 00:17:02,090 --> 00:17:03,701 there was no coming back. 438 00:17:04,534 --> 00:17:06,350 It wasn't just one or two kicks. 439 00:17:06,350 --> 00:17:11,110 My God, it was an ongoing, continuous savage beating. 440 00:17:11,110 --> 00:17:12,703 - They were going to kill him. 441 00:17:13,540 --> 00:17:17,090 And they beat him up and dragged him out in the ocean, 442 00:17:17,090 --> 00:17:20,902 drowned him and left him, floating out to sea. 443 00:17:20,902 --> 00:17:22,880 - And when I couldn't hold my breath any longer 444 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:23,713 and I inhaled, 445 00:17:24,810 --> 00:17:26,350 I could feel the water hit my lungs. 446 00:17:26,350 --> 00:17:27,940 And as soon as it hit my lungs, I shot it out. 447 00:17:27,940 --> 00:17:29,970 And then my lungs went . 448 00:17:29,970 --> 00:17:31,560 And they filled it up again. 449 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:33,540 - I read the depositions. 450 00:17:33,540 --> 00:17:35,120 Every one of 'em, 451 00:17:35,120 --> 00:17:37,430 they went back into the ocean, 452 00:17:37,430 --> 00:17:38,900 sat on him, 453 00:17:38,900 --> 00:17:43,520 pushed him down to the bottom of the beach, 454 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,640 where he could feel the abrasion of the sand on his face 455 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,380 and held him down until he died. 456 00:17:49,380 --> 00:17:52,860 - You feel the water rush into your lungs. 457 00:17:52,860 --> 00:17:53,730 And just as quickly, 458 00:17:53,730 --> 00:17:56,280 your lungs will collapse to shoot it out. 459 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:58,100 And then again, it'll expand again. 460 00:17:58,100 --> 00:18:00,670 And it takes two pulls of your diaphragm to completely 461 00:18:00,670 --> 00:18:02,190 fill your lungs with water. 462 00:18:02,190 --> 00:18:03,660 And you can feel it. 463 00:18:03,660 --> 00:18:04,940 Oh, you can feel it, 464 00:18:04,940 --> 00:18:07,090 especially on an October night, 465 00:18:07,090 --> 00:18:09,850 you can feel when that cold water hits your lungs. 466 00:18:09,850 --> 00:18:11,700 And that's when I felt myself die. 467 00:18:11,700 --> 00:18:13,803 The darkness just began to close in, 468 00:18:14,670 --> 00:18:17,720 covering up the light and then it sealed it out. 469 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:18,990 And that was it. 470 00:18:18,990 --> 00:18:19,903 I ceased to be. 471 00:18:22,100 --> 00:18:24,820 - And according to their statements in court, 472 00:18:24,820 --> 00:18:27,150 the water was a foot over his face. 473 00:18:27,150 --> 00:18:30,700 His mouth was open and his arms were out to his side 474 00:18:30,700 --> 00:18:32,970 and he was floating out to sea. 475 00:18:32,970 --> 00:18:36,620 And I believe God washed that kid back up on that beach 476 00:18:36,620 --> 00:18:38,263 and saved my son's life. 477 00:18:40,130 --> 00:18:42,410 - And apparently, the doctors told my parents, 478 00:18:42,410 --> 00:18:44,260 get ready to say goodbye to your son. 479 00:18:46,390 --> 00:18:48,543 He's most likely not gonna survive. 480 00:18:50,977 --> 00:18:53,850 And I remember I had an Indian doctor that came in 481 00:18:53,850 --> 00:18:55,150 and looked at me and said, 482 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:00,050 there's no medical reason why you should be alive. 483 00:19:00,050 --> 00:19:02,550 You need to find something to believe in. 484 00:19:02,550 --> 00:19:05,960 A table, a chair, you need to find something to pray to 485 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,760 because there is something that saved your life. 486 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:10,750 - So at first, I didn't believe it. 487 00:19:10,750 --> 00:19:11,703 And then when I, 488 00:19:12,980 --> 00:19:13,990 I knew it was true, 489 00:19:13,990 --> 00:19:16,700 I was more concerned about his well-being. 490 00:19:16,700 --> 00:19:18,170 It was a hard time in our little town. 491 00:19:18,170 --> 00:19:19,070 I'm not gonna lie. 492 00:19:19,070 --> 00:19:20,640 Everybody, it seemed like everybody was out 493 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:21,510 to get everybody else. 494 00:19:21,510 --> 00:19:23,380 Everybody was throwing everybody else under the bus. 495 00:19:23,380 --> 00:19:25,890 So like I said, as soon as I graduated high school, 496 00:19:25,890 --> 00:19:26,723 which was quickly, 497 00:19:26,723 --> 00:19:28,870 I got a regular old high school diploma 498 00:19:28,870 --> 00:19:30,770 and I was like a prom dress, I was off. 499 00:19:30,770 --> 00:19:33,900 I ended up moving to Gainesville for a bit, 500 00:19:33,900 --> 00:19:34,780 still in the movement 501 00:19:34,780 --> 00:19:36,913 and then wound up in a pocket of Florida, 502 00:19:38,650 --> 00:19:40,500 hanging out with the same group of guys, 503 00:19:40,500 --> 00:19:44,773 eventually that tried to cause John's demise, 504 00:19:45,900 --> 00:19:47,740 at which time I realized, 505 00:19:47,740 --> 00:19:49,300 I was probably in a little bit over my head. 506 00:19:49,300 --> 00:19:50,910 - The last threat I received 507 00:19:52,740 --> 00:19:54,720 was a very simple, 508 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:56,370 when the last guy gets out of prison, 509 00:19:56,370 --> 00:19:57,870 we're going to have a reunion. 510 00:19:59,650 --> 00:20:00,880 All of us together with you. 511 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,093 And we're going to finish what we started. 512 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:06,930 I contacted the Jewish Agency 513 00:20:06,930 --> 00:20:10,210 and I said, "I need to move to Israel, now!" 514 00:20:10,210 --> 00:20:12,160 - They were a Jewish family in trouble. 515 00:20:13,220 --> 00:20:15,363 This was a Jewish kid in trouble. 516 00:20:16,456 --> 00:20:18,140 And we were not asking a lot of questions. 517 00:20:18,140 --> 00:20:20,170 We just wanted to know how we could help. 518 00:20:20,170 --> 00:20:22,840 - And they began to get the wheels moving. 519 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,840 And I found myself in short order, in my new home, 520 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:27,500 in the state of Israel, 521 00:20:27,500 --> 00:20:28,963 where here, I felt safe. 522 00:20:30,130 --> 00:20:30,963 Mom! 523 00:20:32,970 --> 00:20:34,570 - I'm coming, I'm coming. 524 00:20:38,690 --> 00:20:40,780 - I had two awake brain surgeries. 525 00:20:40,780 --> 00:20:42,300 And that's exactly what it sounds like. 526 00:20:42,300 --> 00:20:45,140 You are awake while you're going through surgery. 527 00:20:45,140 --> 00:20:47,640 And the operating table is such that I was strapped down, 528 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,800 my legs and my arms were out to the side. 529 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,210 I could feel them pulling my scalp 530 00:20:52,210 --> 00:20:54,720 as they detached it from my skull. 531 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,750 For some reason, the anesthetic that they used 532 00:20:57,750 --> 00:21:02,010 to numb my cranium, my skull, so I wouldn't feel it, 533 00:21:02,010 --> 00:21:03,170 didn't work. 534 00:21:03,170 --> 00:21:05,370 So once that thought saw started sliding in, 535 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,203 it was a pain that I cannot even begin to describe. 536 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:11,770 The neuropsychologist I was dealing 537 00:21:11,770 --> 00:21:13,270 with explained to me that this 538 00:21:14,930 --> 00:21:18,123 was most likely the product of a slow bleed in my brain. 539 00:21:20,100 --> 00:21:20,933 She looked at me and said, 540 00:21:20,933 --> 00:21:22,963 you've had this tumor for a long time. 541 00:21:25,030 --> 00:21:27,043 The only thing I can think of 542 00:21:27,043 --> 00:21:30,290 that would cause a slow bleed in my brain 543 00:21:30,290 --> 00:21:32,390 would have been the beating in Daytona. 544 00:21:48,492 --> 00:21:49,670 - The thing I'm looking forward to the most 545 00:21:49,670 --> 00:21:52,380 when I go to Prague is to spend time 546 00:21:52,380 --> 00:21:54,280 with somebody who was a friend of mine 20 years ago, 547 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,743 in entirely different circumstances. 548 00:21:58,550 --> 00:22:01,040 And really, 549 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:02,063 to show, 550 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:04,853 the power of change. 551 00:22:06,100 --> 00:22:09,699 That no matter who you are or who you were, 552 00:22:09,699 --> 00:22:11,499 you can always become somebody else. 553 00:22:13,130 --> 00:22:15,100 That only you stick yourself in a pattern 554 00:22:15,100 --> 00:22:17,140 of self-indemnification. 555 00:22:17,140 --> 00:22:17,973 I'm a loser. 556 00:22:17,973 --> 00:22:18,806 I'm a failure. 557 00:22:20,690 --> 00:22:23,000 That he opted, he made the decision 558 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,780 to get out of the skinhead racist lifestyle. 559 00:22:26,780 --> 00:22:27,970 So um... 560 00:22:27,970 --> 00:22:30,020 - Similar to what happened to you? 561 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,400 - I believe part of it was because what happened to me. 562 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,970 He and I were very, very close at the time. 563 00:22:35,970 --> 00:22:37,880 But I think it's also, 564 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:39,210 from what I understand, 565 00:22:39,210 --> 00:22:42,820 that I went underground, no one could find me. 566 00:22:42,820 --> 00:22:46,490 And there was definitely revenge taken 567 00:22:46,490 --> 00:22:48,493 on the friends of John the Jew. 568 00:22:49,460 --> 00:22:51,683 And he apparently, was one of 'em 569 00:22:51,683 --> 00:22:54,820 that was attacked and beaten up several times 570 00:22:54,820 --> 00:22:58,593 because he was loyal and had been my friend and didn't, 571 00:23:03,060 --> 00:23:04,690 didn't betray me. 572 00:23:04,690 --> 00:23:05,910 And I just disappeared. 573 00:23:05,910 --> 00:23:07,213 And there were a lot of friends, him included, 574 00:23:07,213 --> 00:23:08,830 that were offended at the fact 575 00:23:08,830 --> 00:23:11,339 that I didn't believe their friendship 576 00:23:11,339 --> 00:23:14,313 could span boundaries, 577 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:16,680 but as far as I was concerned, 578 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,090 no one was to be trusted and no one was. 579 00:23:19,090 --> 00:23:20,980 And to this day, nobody is. 580 00:23:20,980 --> 00:23:22,690 It's just the way it is. 581 00:23:22,690 --> 00:23:25,030 Kevin was one of my best friends 582 00:23:26,170 --> 00:23:29,023 at a period in my life, when, 583 00:23:31,350 --> 00:23:32,874 my life was smoke and mirrors. 584 00:23:33,990 --> 00:23:35,210 The last time I remember sitting 585 00:23:35,210 --> 00:23:38,460 and standing and talking with Kevin face-to-face, 586 00:23:38,460 --> 00:23:40,200 both of us had guns in our hands. 587 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:41,993 And it's a lot to digest. 588 00:23:43,220 --> 00:23:46,460 Leaving Israel, cutting the umbilical cord to my hospitals. 589 00:23:46,460 --> 00:23:47,720 I'm excited to see him. 590 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,513 I'm excited to see who he's become. 591 00:23:50,360 --> 00:23:51,410 Where he's gone in his life, 592 00:23:51,410 --> 00:23:52,960 which I'm quite impressed with. 593 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:56,330 But at the same time, 594 00:23:56,330 --> 00:23:58,603 what if he's still with the white power movement? 595 00:24:04,738 --> 00:24:06,840 - I was going to be in Prague for a week, 596 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,000 'cause that gives me girl time with my twin sister 597 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,790 and we can talk late and cook popcorn 598 00:24:11,790 --> 00:24:13,610 and do all kinds of noisy things 599 00:24:13,610 --> 00:24:15,970 and besides, she likes cooking on my stove. 600 00:24:15,970 --> 00:24:18,550 And I know that I get Southern fried chicken. 601 00:24:18,550 --> 00:24:20,470 I provide the stove and the gas. 602 00:24:20,470 --> 00:24:22,113 She cooks and I eat. 603 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:24,280 It's a great combination. 604 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:25,780 It's a win all the way around. 605 00:24:27,047 --> 00:24:29,047 - All right mom, I'm out of here. 606 00:24:30,050 --> 00:24:31,855 - John, do you want some extra cookies 607 00:24:31,855 --> 00:24:33,316 with you to eat along the way? 608 00:24:33,316 --> 00:24:34,969 - No thank you, I'll get something at the airport. 609 00:24:34,969 --> 00:24:36,193 But at least give me a hug. 610 00:24:38,679 --> 00:24:40,021 God bless. 611 00:24:56,668 --> 00:24:59,080 First things first. 612 00:25:01,090 --> 00:25:03,420 I need to call home and let 'em know that I'm alive. 613 00:25:03,420 --> 00:25:04,253 That I made it. 614 00:25:06,050 --> 00:25:07,120 It's not letting me call out. 615 00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:08,674 It's not letting me call anybody. 616 00:25:10,459 --> 00:25:12,880 I got it set up for Wi-Fi. 617 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:14,934 For some reason, it's not doing it. 618 00:25:20,124 --> 00:25:22,320 I trust that this is the real deal. 619 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,710 This isn't anything else. 620 00:25:25,710 --> 00:25:26,760 I'm already looking out, 621 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,030 to see if anybody's looking at me 622 00:25:29,030 --> 00:25:30,223 harder than they should. 623 00:25:33,860 --> 00:25:35,410 Harder than I feel they should. 624 00:25:37,090 --> 00:25:40,573 Am I gonna meet somebody with long sleeves, hiding tattoos, 625 00:25:42,380 --> 00:25:43,250 a weird haircut? 626 00:25:43,250 --> 00:25:47,830 Am I gonna meet just a normal citizen? 627 00:25:47,830 --> 00:25:49,880 - It was a long road 628 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,600 coming out of the skinhead movement. 629 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:52,660 I'm not going to lie. 630 00:25:52,660 --> 00:25:54,590 It was a long road to where coming back 631 00:25:54,590 --> 00:25:55,770 to what I thought was 632 00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,470 like everybody else 'cause I never felt normal. 633 00:25:59,470 --> 00:26:00,320 I never felt welcomed. 634 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,830 I never felt like I was one of the gang 635 00:26:02,830 --> 00:26:04,390 or I was like other people. 636 00:26:04,390 --> 00:26:05,523 I always felt it, 637 00:26:07,154 --> 00:26:09,500 there was something different about me or I wasn't right. 638 00:26:09,500 --> 00:26:11,340 John and I were quite close 639 00:26:11,340 --> 00:26:12,660 right up until the attack. 640 00:26:12,660 --> 00:26:14,250 I was actually getting more involved 641 00:26:14,250 --> 00:26:16,270 with the skinheads locally. 642 00:26:16,270 --> 00:26:17,690 And then after that happened, 643 00:26:17,690 --> 00:26:20,590 those same skinheads that I just started hanging out with, 644 00:26:21,444 --> 00:26:23,430 branded me a Jew-lover. 645 00:26:23,430 --> 00:26:25,670 So as soon as I graduated high school, 646 00:26:25,670 --> 00:26:26,920 I was gone from Ocala. 647 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,500 because I was really afraid of what they might do to me, 648 00:26:29,500 --> 00:26:32,370 thinking I might be the next guy, you know, 649 00:26:32,370 --> 00:26:33,290 to get a boot party 650 00:26:33,290 --> 00:26:35,770 or maybe stabbed in a parking lot somewhere, 651 00:26:35,770 --> 00:26:37,570 just for being associated with John. 652 00:26:40,397 --> 00:26:41,853 - What are you hoping for? 653 00:26:47,346 --> 00:26:48,179 - What's up? 654 00:26:48,179 --> 00:26:49,012 How are you? - I'm great. 655 00:26:49,012 --> 00:26:50,782 Good to see you. - Same. 656 00:26:50,782 --> 00:26:52,617 - All right, let me see your scar. 657 00:26:52,617 --> 00:26:54,241 Where's the scar? 658 00:26:54,241 --> 00:26:55,540 It's huge. 659 00:26:55,540 --> 00:26:58,123 My name's Kevin Connell and I'm a sommelier. 660 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:03,550 My brother was hated, was a known racist to blacks, 661 00:27:03,550 --> 00:27:04,600 but they were scared of him 662 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,750 'cause he was a pretty big violent guy. 663 00:27:06,750 --> 00:27:07,800 Because they couldn't 664 00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:11,560 or wouldn't do anything to my brother, 665 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:12,830 I was a prime target. 666 00:27:12,830 --> 00:27:15,320 I was 14 and my brother had graduated high school. 667 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,960 And I was attacked by no more than six, 668 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,523 no less than four, 669 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:22,543 black youths. 670 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,793 They crushed my orbit socket, my nose, broke my jaw. 671 00:27:29,208 --> 00:27:30,633 I had a cerebral hematoma, 672 00:27:31,940 --> 00:27:33,840 with the right frontal lobe. 673 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,940 They had to drill a hole, put a catheter in my skull. 674 00:27:36,940 --> 00:27:37,810 So things were pretty rough. 675 00:27:37,810 --> 00:27:40,430 I was in the hospital for several months. 676 00:27:40,430 --> 00:27:43,910 After that, I was enrolled in a special school 677 00:27:43,910 --> 00:27:46,593 for problem children even though, I had done nothing wrong. 678 00:27:48,857 --> 00:27:50,583 But while I was in the hospital, 679 00:27:52,180 --> 00:27:54,160 the local skinheads had found out what happened. 680 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,090 And they were the only people to come visit me. 681 00:27:56,090 --> 00:27:57,340 But there were the people that showed me 682 00:27:57,340 --> 00:27:58,810 that I didn't have to be scared anymore. 683 00:27:58,810 --> 00:28:00,270 I got involved in the movement, 684 00:28:00,270 --> 00:28:01,450 Joseph Goebbels. 685 00:28:01,450 --> 00:28:02,870 I read his biography. 686 00:28:02,870 --> 00:28:05,690 You know, it also has his journal that he kept. 687 00:28:05,690 --> 00:28:07,680 And he talks about when he was a child, you know, 688 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,540 being ostracized and being lonely. 689 00:28:09,540 --> 00:28:11,370 And his story really hit home with me. 690 00:28:11,370 --> 00:28:14,823 And then I read Mein Kampf and you know, 691 00:28:14,823 --> 00:28:16,380 I was never a big guy, 692 00:28:16,380 --> 00:28:18,420 but I was always a smart guy. 693 00:28:18,420 --> 00:28:20,680 So I learned, if I was smarter than everybody else, 694 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:21,730 they would protect me. 695 00:28:21,730 --> 00:28:24,190 You know, I grew up in a household 696 00:28:24,190 --> 00:28:25,490 where we moved almost every year. 697 00:28:25,490 --> 00:28:28,230 My father worked for Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. 698 00:28:28,230 --> 00:28:29,400 So I lived all over the country. 699 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,430 By the time I was 13, we'd lived in 11 cities. 700 00:28:33,430 --> 00:28:35,950 So I never really had any close friends, my whole life. 701 00:28:35,950 --> 00:28:37,830 So it was nice to have people 702 00:28:37,830 --> 00:28:40,080 that I didn't care about that cared about me. 703 00:28:40,942 --> 00:28:44,260 And then my parents moved to Ocala 704 00:28:44,260 --> 00:28:46,730 because of my involvement with the skinheads. 705 00:28:46,730 --> 00:28:48,320 Second day at school, I met you 706 00:28:49,922 --> 00:28:53,593 and it just kind of kept snowballing from there. 707 00:28:53,593 --> 00:28:56,300 And then John's attack happened pretty quickly after that, 708 00:28:56,300 --> 00:28:59,860 I'd say, less than nine months after that. 709 00:28:59,860 --> 00:29:01,280 It was the day or the day before. 710 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,260 And I didn't know that he was going to meet with the guys 711 00:29:04,260 --> 00:29:05,950 and he thought he was getting a promotion 712 00:29:05,950 --> 00:29:08,070 and was moving up even further he ladder. 713 00:29:08,070 --> 00:29:09,363 He was quite excited. 714 00:29:13,460 --> 00:29:14,740 And when I learned about it, 715 00:29:14,740 --> 00:29:15,860 I didn't believe it at first, 716 00:29:15,860 --> 00:29:17,700 'cause I'm like, John's not Jewish. 717 00:29:17,700 --> 00:29:19,050 I've been to his house. 718 00:29:19,050 --> 00:29:20,870 I met his parents. 719 00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:22,113 They're not Jewish. 720 00:29:22,950 --> 00:29:24,950 There have a cross or something somewhere there, 721 00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:25,810 I remember thinking. 722 00:29:25,810 --> 00:29:27,500 I'm like, they can't be Jewish. 723 00:29:27,500 --> 00:29:28,363 They're wrong. 724 00:29:29,390 --> 00:29:30,570 And then as it unfolded 725 00:29:30,570 --> 00:29:33,950 and John pretty much disappeared for a while. 726 00:29:33,950 --> 00:29:36,983 As it unfolded and it made the newspapers and whatnot, 727 00:29:38,810 --> 00:29:40,690 there was no denying it 728 00:29:40,690 --> 00:29:43,783 that John was definitely Jewish. 729 00:29:44,980 --> 00:29:47,340 And John had been pulling the wool 730 00:29:47,340 --> 00:29:48,610 over a lot of people's eyes 731 00:29:48,610 --> 00:29:50,800 and doing a fantastic job 732 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,640 and feeding 'em lines of shit. 733 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,240 And they were just eating it up. 734 00:29:55,530 --> 00:30:00,530 'Cause he was good at being thoughtful and maniacal, 735 00:30:00,670 --> 00:30:01,567 all at the same time. 736 00:30:01,567 --> 00:30:03,070 And I still don't even understand 737 00:30:03,070 --> 00:30:04,590 how everyone else found out 738 00:30:04,590 --> 00:30:07,483 'cause he was so good about not letting people know, 739 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,380 'cause he always had an answer for everything. 740 00:30:13,380 --> 00:30:14,540 So I find it hard to believe 741 00:30:14,540 --> 00:30:16,910 that somebody saw through the facade 742 00:30:16,910 --> 00:30:20,000 or somebody figured it out on their own. 743 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,980 To this day, I'd like to ask him exactly, you know. 744 00:30:22,980 --> 00:30:25,973 I know that it was a mutual skinhead that we knew, 745 00:30:27,220 --> 00:30:29,803 wife and mother of his child at the time, 746 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,043 that threw him under the bus per se. 747 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,637 But I don't know how she found out. 748 00:30:40,370 --> 00:30:42,640 Keep taking a left, you'll find the bathroom. 749 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,530 - Keep taking left. 750 00:30:44,530 --> 00:30:47,010 I found it! 751 00:30:47,010 --> 00:30:47,843 Let's hit the streets. 752 00:30:47,843 --> 00:30:50,640 See how much trouble we can not get into, hopefully. 753 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:51,473 Hopefully. 754 00:30:55,250 --> 00:30:57,010 How did you get in there? 755 00:30:57,970 --> 00:30:59,063 So it's closed? 756 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,240 - I'd been trying to find John on Facebook 757 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:03,850 for quite some time. 758 00:31:03,850 --> 00:31:06,750 I literally had to find everybody else from Ocala 759 00:31:06,750 --> 00:31:08,710 and make friends with them until I found somebody 760 00:31:08,710 --> 00:31:09,947 who was friends with John. 761 00:31:16,420 --> 00:31:17,680 Risotto arborio with carrots, 762 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,820 zucchini, shallots and parmesean. 763 00:31:19,820 --> 00:31:20,653 - Yeah, let's do it. 764 00:31:20,653 --> 00:31:22,580 Yeah. - Yeah, I'm down. 765 00:31:22,580 --> 00:31:24,070 Nice and eclectic. 766 00:31:24,070 --> 00:31:26,060 Looks like they have decent beers. 767 00:31:26,060 --> 00:31:29,850 The easiest way to recruit people into the skinhead movement 768 00:31:29,850 --> 00:31:31,620 and the white supremacy movement 769 00:31:31,620 --> 00:31:33,210 is people that are just outside, 770 00:31:33,210 --> 00:31:34,650 they're right on the fringe, 771 00:31:34,650 --> 00:31:36,680 that are trying to put their foot into a clique 772 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,230 or they're trying to belong. 773 00:31:38,230 --> 00:31:40,170 They're trying to make friends. 774 00:31:40,170 --> 00:31:42,620 They're slightly geeky, slightly, not everybody, 775 00:31:42,620 --> 00:31:43,773 not like everyone else. 776 00:31:46,475 --> 00:31:48,060 Because when you show people a little bit of power 777 00:31:48,060 --> 00:31:50,053 and you show people loyalty, 778 00:31:51,180 --> 00:31:52,640 you'd be surprised what they'll do for you. 779 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,270 - And what they do is they go through 780 00:31:54,270 --> 00:31:56,970 and they take all of your failures in your life 781 00:31:56,970 --> 00:31:58,240 and say, no, no, no, no, 782 00:31:58,240 --> 00:31:59,073 it wasn't a failure. 783 00:31:59,073 --> 00:32:01,000 It's a conspiracy. 784 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,230 And they build this conspiracy slowly but surely 785 00:32:03,230 --> 00:32:05,900 and strong enough that you really buy into it. 786 00:32:05,900 --> 00:32:07,990 And then you're like, I am at war. 787 00:32:07,990 --> 00:32:10,910 And these people that are trying to do this to me, 788 00:32:10,910 --> 00:32:12,913 my culture, my family, my race, 789 00:32:13,770 --> 00:32:14,710 need to be destroyed. 790 00:32:14,710 --> 00:32:17,100 And you really feel like you're doing something 791 00:32:17,100 --> 00:32:20,170 for the betterment of society, your race, 792 00:32:20,170 --> 00:32:21,990 because all they want to do is destroy your race 793 00:32:21,990 --> 00:32:23,240 and bring your race down. 794 00:32:24,540 --> 00:32:26,910 And once you've got somebody like that, you've got, 795 00:32:26,910 --> 00:32:28,890 you've got a Holy warrior, you've got a terrorist. 796 00:32:28,890 --> 00:32:30,760 - So it all starts at the top. 797 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,210 And I was at the very bottom, 798 00:32:33,490 --> 00:32:34,323 but by recruiting, 799 00:32:34,323 --> 00:32:35,510 you're moving up 800 00:32:35,510 --> 00:32:36,980 and then all those people are at the bottom. 801 00:32:36,980 --> 00:32:38,640 As they recruit, they move up. 802 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,460 So it's a mentality and ideology 803 00:32:40,460 --> 00:32:42,373 and a movement perpetuates itself, 804 00:32:43,500 --> 00:32:46,290 preying upon the weak, the downtrodden, 805 00:32:46,290 --> 00:32:47,630 nobody's ever getting into the movement 806 00:32:47,630 --> 00:32:49,400 than somebody that's been bullied 807 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,050 because you have all these people 808 00:32:52,770 --> 00:32:56,480 that you think are like-minded that will defend you. 809 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,530 And that's one thing that I will say, 810 00:32:58,530 --> 00:33:00,190 that skinheads are quick to violence 811 00:33:00,190 --> 00:33:02,310 and quick to defend their own. 812 00:33:02,310 --> 00:33:05,280 Not too far from here in Prague, there was a, you know, 813 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,130 basically an interment camp 814 00:33:07,130 --> 00:33:09,330 where the Czech Republic funneled, you know, 815 00:33:10,230 --> 00:33:12,490 several hundred thousand of their Jews through, 816 00:33:12,490 --> 00:33:15,653 sent them off to further Eastern Europe to be. 817 00:33:17,940 --> 00:33:18,773 - Eradicated? - Exactly. 818 00:33:18,773 --> 00:33:20,400 - Yeah. - Yeah. 819 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,840 - I wanted to go and pay my respects 820 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:25,270 to all those who lost their lives 821 00:33:25,270 --> 00:33:27,133 at the hands of the Third Reich. 822 00:33:27,133 --> 00:33:29,040 And I wouldn't want to do it with anybody 823 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:30,960 other than John, honestly. 824 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,200 You know, horrible atrocities 825 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,640 that affected millions and millions of people. 826 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:37,850 And this is the ideology 827 00:33:37,850 --> 00:33:42,230 that I live by for four years of my life. 828 00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:44,720 - His journey, in a sense, is harder than mine. 829 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,140 Being Jewish, I had something to turn to. 830 00:33:47,140 --> 00:33:48,033 He didn't. 831 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,410 He left something that was like a family-type relationship 832 00:33:52,410 --> 00:33:55,260 and moved back into the real world. 833 00:33:55,260 --> 00:33:56,093 - Living in Israel, 834 00:33:56,093 --> 00:33:57,700 he finally feels at home and he feels 835 00:33:57,700 --> 00:33:59,830 like he's with his people 836 00:33:59,830 --> 00:34:01,590 and leading with this, 837 00:34:01,590 --> 00:34:03,830 I know that, that's something I'd like to feel in life. 838 00:34:03,830 --> 00:34:06,320 You know, I'd like to feel that I do belong to something 839 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,540 and I have something to look forward to 840 00:34:09,540 --> 00:34:11,230 and have something to believe in. 841 00:34:11,230 --> 00:34:12,980 I'm not sure what it's going to be. 842 00:34:14,698 --> 00:34:17,950 I used to consider myself to be a real American Patriot, 843 00:34:17,950 --> 00:34:19,080 but I don't like the direction 844 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:20,913 that my country is going, a whole lot. 845 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,720 - And I will wear my Yarmulke, 846 00:34:26,720 --> 00:34:28,763 my Kippah, as we call it in Hebrew. 847 00:34:28,763 --> 00:34:29,763 - Kippah? - Kippah. 848 00:34:30,620 --> 00:34:32,526 Yarmulke is Yiddish, Kippah is Hebrew. 849 00:34:40,540 --> 00:34:43,110 - Well earlier, as we pulled in, 850 00:34:43,110 --> 00:34:46,379 I kind of became overwhelmed with emotion. 851 00:34:46,379 --> 00:34:49,010 I started shaking and then, as I went into the laboratory, 852 00:34:49,010 --> 00:34:51,863 a few moments ago, I did get sick. 853 00:34:53,370 --> 00:34:55,890 - Wow. 854 00:34:55,890 --> 00:34:57,320 - Going into the camp, it makes it, 855 00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,823 it's like putting a face with a name. 856 00:35:00,780 --> 00:35:02,160 It's no longer, you know, 857 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,920 old reels that you see on TV programs and documentaries, 858 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,270 you know, written by some guy who wasn't there. 859 00:35:09,860 --> 00:35:12,799 It's not a page from a history book, it's real. 860 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,600 Tikkun Olam is doing what you can to fix the world, 861 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:17,720 to the best of your ability. 862 00:35:17,720 --> 00:35:18,940 And that just starts with you 863 00:35:18,940 --> 00:35:22,010 and the way that you live your life and who you are, 864 00:35:22,010 --> 00:35:23,470 which what you're doing now is, 865 00:35:23,470 --> 00:35:24,700 Tikkun Olam, you're going back 866 00:35:24,700 --> 00:35:26,210 and fixing some of the wrongs. 867 00:35:26,210 --> 00:35:27,043 - Trying to. 868 00:35:27,043 --> 00:35:28,850 - You can at one point, stop it and say, 869 00:35:28,850 --> 00:35:30,730 that's enough. 870 00:35:30,730 --> 00:35:33,168 Things need to be different. - And they do. 871 00:35:36,300 --> 00:35:39,250 - More than 1500 Jews were in prison in this small fortress. 872 00:35:39,250 --> 00:35:41,730 Their destiny was worst of all, the groups of prisoners. 873 00:35:41,730 --> 00:35:44,920 About 500 from them were tortured to death here. 874 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:45,960 Most others perished, 875 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,550 after the deportations to the concentration camps. 876 00:35:48,550 --> 00:35:52,140 - 1500 people of the Jewish faith died there? 877 00:35:52,140 --> 00:35:53,910 I find that hard to believe. 878 00:35:53,910 --> 00:35:57,140 The Nazis were really avid and real go-getters. 879 00:35:57,140 --> 00:36:00,222 This was a transit camp as well, 880 00:36:00,222 --> 00:36:01,055 where people were coming, 881 00:36:01,055 --> 00:36:02,860 merely coming in to wait for the train 882 00:36:02,860 --> 00:36:05,116 to go off to the East- - Take 'em somewhere else. 883 00:36:05,116 --> 00:36:08,790 - To Auschwitz and Ireland. 884 00:36:08,790 --> 00:36:11,480 This was just merely a stop on their voyage. 885 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,940 - What you wrote in the book, 886 00:36:15,940 --> 00:36:17,200 the guest book, 887 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:18,850 what did you write? - I'm sorry. 888 00:36:20,570 --> 00:36:22,150 - I wanted to come to room 18 889 00:36:25,742 --> 00:36:28,477 because 18 in Judaism means life. 890 00:36:30,380 --> 00:36:31,480 It's playing with the, 891 00:36:32,534 --> 00:36:34,350 the way that we count the numbers- 892 00:36:34,350 --> 00:36:36,273 - The letters of the alphabet? - Exactly. 893 00:36:37,490 --> 00:36:39,130 - So I wanted to see where room 18 was. 894 00:36:39,130 --> 00:36:41,070 It says, the mortuary where the bodies 895 00:36:41,070 --> 00:36:43,140 of prisoners tortured to death, were stored. 896 00:36:43,140 --> 00:36:44,640 Starting at the end of 42, 897 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,600 dead bodies were cremated in Terrace's Crematorium 898 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,031 of the Jewish ghetto. 899 00:36:52,500 --> 00:36:53,850 But for skinheads, this is also has a- 900 00:36:53,850 --> 00:36:56,030 - Yeah, they've kind of stolen it and made it their own. 901 00:36:56,030 --> 00:36:59,290 - Yeah. - First letter is A. 902 00:36:59,290 --> 00:37:01,190 - For Adolph? - And the second letter. 903 00:37:01,190 --> 00:37:02,270 - H. - For Hitler. 904 00:37:02,270 --> 00:37:04,994 - Is the H letter, H is the eight letter of the alphabet. 905 00:37:04,994 --> 00:37:05,827 - With the skinheads, we do it with the blood, 906 00:37:05,827 --> 00:37:07,887 have a red circle around it. 907 00:37:07,887 --> 00:37:09,150 - Adolph Hitler. 908 00:37:09,150 --> 00:37:10,900 - I mean, I'm still, not gonna lie. 909 00:37:12,024 --> 00:37:14,493 I'm still afraid of a large group of black people. 910 00:37:16,122 --> 00:37:17,720 And I know that's still a little bit crazy, 911 00:37:17,720 --> 00:37:20,740 but I'm still very hypervigilant, as well. 912 00:37:20,740 --> 00:37:22,340 There's just certain things that 913 00:37:23,720 --> 00:37:25,400 I don't feel that I can turn my back on 914 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,830 because I mean, 915 00:37:28,830 --> 00:37:31,080 if it's happened more than a couple of times, 916 00:37:32,900 --> 00:37:34,630 you should learn from your mistakes. 917 00:37:34,630 --> 00:37:38,420 - I'll admit that I do have certain animosity within me, 918 00:37:38,420 --> 00:37:41,010 but when I would be asked, 919 00:37:41,010 --> 00:37:42,033 if I've forgiven the skinhead guys 920 00:37:42,033 --> 00:37:43,923 that tried to take my life, 921 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,200 I would say, it's the best thing that happened to me 922 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:48,240 because it gave me life. 923 00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:51,090 It taught me to value life and the sanctity of life. 924 00:37:51,090 --> 00:37:54,530 - We walked through a 500 meter long tunnel. 925 00:37:54,530 --> 00:37:56,350 There were several spots as we walked through 926 00:37:56,350 --> 00:37:57,990 where the temperature seemed to drop 927 00:37:57,990 --> 00:37:59,900 and get very, very cold. 928 00:37:59,900 --> 00:38:02,200 It was almost like there was electricity in the air. 929 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:03,920 All the hair on my body would stand up 930 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:04,940 and just to take it in and to know 931 00:38:04,940 --> 00:38:08,470 that almost everyone that walked through that tunnel, 932 00:38:08,470 --> 00:38:09,503 didn't walk back. 933 00:38:10,590 --> 00:38:11,768 It was a lot to take in. 934 00:38:13,684 --> 00:38:15,257 - You all right, Kevin? - Yeah. 935 00:38:15,257 --> 00:38:18,200 I don't even know what's happening inside of me. 936 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,490 - If you were going to die 937 00:38:20,490 --> 00:38:21,323 and you knew it, 938 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,053 there's something known as the Mortars Prayer, okay. 939 00:38:27,540 --> 00:38:30,163 Here is what the Lord, your God, the Lord is one. 940 00:38:31,612 --> 00:38:32,912 And that is something that 941 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,620 I'm sure this hallway's heard more than once. 942 00:38:51,752 --> 00:38:53,460 - It would be torture, just to be led down this, 943 00:38:53,460 --> 00:38:55,210 not knowing what was going to happen. 944 00:38:55,210 --> 00:38:56,960 - Your brain tries to rationalize 945 00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,060 how what's happening, isn't happening. 946 00:38:59,060 --> 00:38:59,893 - Right. 947 00:38:59,893 --> 00:39:00,911 - That somehow I'm going to live, 948 00:39:00,911 --> 00:39:02,470 that somehow I'm going to survive. 949 00:39:02,470 --> 00:39:03,620 And from fights you've been in 950 00:39:03,620 --> 00:39:05,520 and attacks you've gone through, 951 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,262 I'm sure your brain is saying the exact same thing. 952 00:39:07,262 --> 00:39:09,040 Yeah. 953 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,400 - That way you close off the outside world 954 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:12,343 and you turn in. 955 00:39:13,772 --> 00:39:15,890 You know it. - This, isn't happening to me. 956 00:39:15,890 --> 00:39:16,869 - This isn't real. 957 00:39:16,869 --> 00:39:17,782 - I'm going to live through this. 958 00:39:17,782 --> 00:39:19,950 - I'm gonna wake up and I'm going to be fine. 959 00:39:19,950 --> 00:39:21,570 - That your brain is so arrogant, 960 00:39:21,570 --> 00:39:23,610 the one thing that it can't say is 961 00:39:23,610 --> 00:39:26,340 I'm not going to survive this. - Yeah. 962 00:39:26,340 --> 00:39:27,890 - And the moment, a peace that hit me 963 00:39:27,890 --> 00:39:31,673 when I was attacked by the skins, was just, 964 00:39:33,236 --> 00:39:34,851 when I came to the ultimate understanding 965 00:39:34,851 --> 00:39:37,388 and conclusion that I wasn't gonna make it out of it. 966 00:39:37,388 --> 00:39:39,760 And then it was just like my brain just relaxed. 967 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:41,940 Really, you know how it is. - Yeah, I mean- 968 00:39:41,940 --> 00:39:43,770 - A situation like that, you just want to go home. 969 00:39:43,770 --> 00:39:46,260 - Right, you just want your bed and your mom. 970 00:39:46,260 --> 00:39:47,093 - Yeah and when you go, 971 00:39:47,093 --> 00:39:49,478 you want to go to where you feel safe. 972 00:39:49,478 --> 00:39:51,478 And at that moment, I did not feel safe. 973 00:39:53,070 --> 00:39:54,770 And I knew enough cops that were involved 974 00:39:54,770 --> 00:39:56,787 in the white power movement that- 975 00:39:56,787 --> 00:39:59,710 - They're not the best people to go to 976 00:39:59,710 --> 00:40:01,823 in that kind of situation. - No. 977 00:40:02,820 --> 00:40:05,403 - I mean that whole part of central Florida, 978 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:08,123 as we know, 979 00:40:09,690 --> 00:40:11,050 most of the sheriff's department 980 00:40:11,050 --> 00:40:12,520 were in the Ku Klux Klan 981 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,040 and probably still are. - I wouldn't doubt it. 982 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:15,873 - At one time, 983 00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:19,400 after I was out of the skinheads, 984 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,680 for quite a while, 985 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,930 I was arrested and thrown in jail for what Kevin does best, 986 00:40:25,930 --> 00:40:27,310 being a smart ass and drunk 987 00:40:29,490 --> 00:40:31,090 and not listening to authority. 988 00:40:31,090 --> 00:40:33,100 I've always had a problem with authority. 989 00:40:33,100 --> 00:40:36,550 And I wound up in jail for, 990 00:40:36,550 --> 00:40:38,623 not a long time, but enough time. 991 00:40:39,820 --> 00:40:42,493 And I still had not covered up all of my tattoos. 992 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,710 And one of the tattoos I had was quite vulgar 993 00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:47,803 and quite hateful. 994 00:40:50,389 --> 00:40:51,390 And there are symbols that anybody 995 00:40:51,390 --> 00:40:53,210 in the white supremacist world knows 996 00:40:53,210 --> 00:40:56,323 and instantly sees and instantly knows what it means. 997 00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,080 And it was not anything I still believed in, of course, 998 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,410 but it was still tattooed on me 999 00:41:04,410 --> 00:41:06,180 and I couldn't make it go away. 1000 00:41:06,180 --> 00:41:08,570 And I wound up in a cell block 1001 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,620 with someone from the Aryan brotherhood 1002 00:41:12,620 --> 00:41:16,920 who had just violated parole and was about to be 1003 00:41:17,830 --> 00:41:20,240 before the judge to be re-sentenced, 1004 00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:22,163 to go back to prison, most likely. 1005 00:41:23,250 --> 00:41:25,250 And I've never been more afraid 1006 00:41:25,250 --> 00:41:27,230 for myself because I knew 1007 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:29,670 that I was going to tell the truth. 1008 00:41:29,670 --> 00:41:31,150 And that I was going to say my peace 1009 00:41:31,150 --> 00:41:34,640 and let him know that, that's not who I am any longer. 1010 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:35,990 And I don't agree with you. 1011 00:41:38,060 --> 00:41:39,513 It was honestly, probably, 1012 00:41:40,370 --> 00:41:42,260 the scariest 48 hours 1013 00:41:42,260 --> 00:41:44,940 until I was moved and became a trustee 1014 00:41:44,940 --> 00:41:47,090 and was moved to a different cell block 1015 00:41:47,090 --> 00:41:49,240 since I was a skinhead. 1016 00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:51,440 I'd never been, I hadn't been that scared in 1017 00:41:52,660 --> 00:41:53,733 15 years. 1018 00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,493 It brought it home to know that, 1019 00:41:59,490 --> 00:42:01,860 I didn't cover up the tattoos 'cause I wanted to remember, 1020 00:42:01,860 --> 00:42:03,360 you know, how stupid I was 1021 00:42:05,490 --> 00:42:06,410 and I wore them 1022 00:42:09,750 --> 00:42:11,000 so that I didn't forget, 1023 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,160 not about anybody else, but so I didn't forget. 1024 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,410 But after that experience, I felt it was time 1025 00:42:19,807 --> 00:42:21,200 to not hurt anybody else 1026 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,030 with the images that I had on my body. 1027 00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:24,060 And it wasn't even about me. 1028 00:42:24,060 --> 00:42:25,230 It was about other people 1029 00:42:25,230 --> 00:42:27,880 and about sending a message that I didn't believe in. 1030 00:42:31,700 --> 00:42:34,250 So it can be very hard to walk away from your past. 1031 00:42:35,630 --> 00:42:37,830 And that really hit home. 1032 00:42:37,830 --> 00:42:39,200 And that was when I truly 1033 00:42:40,890 --> 00:42:43,550 started thinking about the future, 1034 00:42:43,550 --> 00:42:45,360 which was something I had really never thought about. 1035 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:46,530 I kept living in the past 1036 00:42:46,530 --> 00:42:48,920 and that was like one of the clarifying moments, 1037 00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,873 knowing that moving forward, I still have to have a life. 1038 00:42:53,380 --> 00:42:54,354 Oh my God. 1039 00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,980 When we went all the way through the tunnel 1040 00:42:59,980 --> 00:43:01,290 and around to the corner 1041 00:43:01,290 --> 00:43:04,530 and headed down the little hill and I saw three crosses 1042 00:43:04,530 --> 00:43:05,990 and there was a tour group 1043 00:43:05,990 --> 00:43:08,370 and the woman was speaking in English. 1044 00:43:08,370 --> 00:43:10,950 They had mentioned that this is where the soldiers lied 1045 00:43:10,950 --> 00:43:15,240 when this was still just a military installation 1046 00:43:15,240 --> 00:43:17,930 and used this embankment for target practice. 1047 00:43:17,930 --> 00:43:20,270 But after the Third Reich had taken over it 1048 00:43:20,270 --> 00:43:24,090 and occupied and was using the camp 1049 00:43:25,350 --> 00:43:26,370 as a transit camp 1050 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,030 and a death camp, 1051 00:43:29,030 --> 00:43:33,560 that's where these people have walked and been executed 1052 00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:35,072 or walked and be hung. 1053 00:43:38,490 --> 00:43:39,610 It was emptying. 1054 00:43:39,610 --> 00:43:40,850 I don't know how else to describe it. 1055 00:43:40,850 --> 00:43:42,750 It took what little bit of 1056 00:43:42,750 --> 00:43:44,820 okay feeling I had inside of me and stripped it out 1057 00:43:44,820 --> 00:43:46,913 and let me know that it's real. 1058 00:43:49,210 --> 00:43:50,760 None of those people came back. 1059 00:43:51,710 --> 00:43:53,590 And this is where they met their end. 1060 00:43:53,590 --> 00:43:55,495 It was very real, very real. 1061 00:43:55,495 --> 00:43:58,253 Those who weren't tortured, of course, were executed here? 1062 00:43:58,253 --> 00:43:59,121 - Hmm hmm. 1063 00:44:06,100 --> 00:44:08,400 I don't know if you'd like to come over here, as well. 1064 00:44:09,850 --> 00:44:12,000 - I mean, every person that wound up there, 1065 00:44:14,660 --> 00:44:16,350 wasn't there for anything they did 1066 00:44:16,350 --> 00:44:17,863 besides for being themselves, 1067 00:44:18,890 --> 00:44:20,740 being people of the Earth, 1068 00:44:20,740 --> 00:44:21,903 living their lives. 1069 00:44:23,130 --> 00:44:26,010 It's a heavy burden to carry, you know, 1070 00:44:26,010 --> 00:44:29,120 knowing that I preached the same nonsense 1071 00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:31,020 to a lot of people 1072 00:44:32,830 --> 00:44:35,203 and convinced a lot of people that it was right. 1073 00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:37,540 I should feel ashamed. 1074 00:44:40,050 --> 00:44:42,770 I'm gonna try to do right from this point on. 1075 00:44:42,770 --> 00:44:44,763 - Oh, this is a huge, huge step. 1076 00:44:45,980 --> 00:44:49,220 - There are a few places that John and I had stopped. 1077 00:44:49,220 --> 00:44:52,280 And John brought some stones that I'd asked him to bring me 1078 00:44:55,340 --> 00:44:56,750 from Jerusalem 1079 00:44:56,750 --> 00:44:59,713 because I thought Jerusalem, being the Holy city, 1080 00:45:02,470 --> 00:45:07,110 and the Holiest place to the Jewish faith, 1081 00:45:07,110 --> 00:45:08,862 and none of these people made it there. 1082 00:45:08,862 --> 00:45:10,907 You know, it was right around the corner. 1083 00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,740 - May the memories be for a blessing. 1084 00:45:14,740 --> 00:45:16,330 May they always be remembered. 1085 00:45:19,690 --> 00:45:22,660 - And I walked through all of the gravestones 1086 00:45:22,660 --> 00:45:24,907 and I found only one gravestone that didn't have a rock on. 1087 00:45:24,907 --> 00:45:26,450 And I made sure I put a rock there. 1088 00:45:26,450 --> 00:45:28,823 So everybody knows that they're not alone now. 1089 00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:31,450 And the thing that really hit me is 1090 00:45:31,450 --> 00:45:32,930 about a third of them were just numbers. 1091 00:45:32,930 --> 00:45:34,590 They didn't have names. 1092 00:45:34,590 --> 00:45:36,680 So there was just bodies in the ground. 1093 00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,870 And it makes you think about their entire communities 1094 00:45:39,870 --> 00:45:42,120 and entire families and entire villages 1095 00:45:43,030 --> 00:45:44,165 that were completely wiped out. 1096 00:45:44,165 --> 00:45:45,200 And there was nobody to remember. 1097 00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,301 And nobody to tell anybody that it happened. 1098 00:45:54,873 --> 00:45:58,060 - Yeah, a little light serve as a reminder 1099 00:45:58,060 --> 00:46:00,513 of all the lights that were snuffed out, 1100 00:46:03,605 --> 00:46:04,610 at this horrible place, 1101 00:46:04,610 --> 00:46:07,583 near the horrible camps around Europe. 1102 00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:17,770 Another stone from Jerusalem? 1103 00:46:19,288 --> 00:46:20,763 - I want a rock, for home. 1104 00:46:23,864 --> 00:46:25,720 It's been quite the day, John. - It has. 1105 00:46:25,720 --> 00:46:30,010 - Once you realize that hatred is just fear of the unknown 1106 00:46:30,010 --> 00:46:31,363 and fear of yourself, 1107 00:46:34,550 --> 00:46:36,240 it doesn't take long 1108 00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:37,710 to want to see the truth 1109 00:46:37,710 --> 00:46:40,283 and want to see humanity for what it's worth. 1110 00:46:41,140 --> 00:46:43,370 Along this voyage, I've also come to the conclusion 1111 00:46:43,370 --> 00:46:44,940 that there are more bad people 1112 00:46:44,940 --> 00:46:46,750 than there are good people in the world. 1113 00:46:46,750 --> 00:46:47,850 And I was one of them. 1114 00:46:49,197 --> 00:46:51,820 I can't undo what I've done. 1115 00:46:51,820 --> 00:46:53,410 I can't undo what I've said. 1116 00:46:53,410 --> 00:46:56,077 But I can try to stop it. 1117 00:46:56,077 --> 00:46:58,640 And I can do my best 1118 00:47:00,330 --> 00:47:03,280 to try to educate people to the truths, 1119 00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,623 that ignorance and fear breed hatred. 1120 00:47:07,496 --> 00:47:09,046 And we don't have to be afraid. 1121 00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,310 - I noticed that Kevin kept some of his, 1122 00:47:12,310 --> 00:47:13,850 the stones that he had. 1123 00:47:13,850 --> 00:47:16,160 And I asked him, as we discussed it, 1124 00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:17,230 what to do with those stones. 1125 00:47:17,230 --> 00:47:20,060 He said that if you ever visit a place like this, again, 1126 00:47:20,060 --> 00:47:21,233 he wanted to have some. 1127 00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,000 - I was thinking to go to Auschwitz. 1128 00:47:24,980 --> 00:47:29,080 - Why exactly Auschwitz, of all places? 1129 00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,470 - Over a million people died there, that I know of. 1130 00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:33,820 - One million, one hundred thousand. 1131 00:47:33,820 --> 00:47:36,310 - Yeah, that they know of. - They know of. 1132 00:47:36,310 --> 00:47:37,550 Would you be willing to be awake 1133 00:47:37,550 --> 00:47:40,080 at quarter to five in the morning tomorrow? 1134 00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:41,380 - Four? 1135 00:47:41,380 --> 00:47:42,213 - Four. 1136 00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,410 You said, of all the places you could visit, 1137 00:47:56,410 --> 00:47:58,840 you'd like to go to Auschwitz-Birkenau. 1138 00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,290 - My body doesn't want me to go. 1139 00:48:01,290 --> 00:48:02,400 I'm serious. 1140 00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,410 - I had to take a moment in the parking lot just to sit 1141 00:48:05,410 --> 00:48:07,790 and try and catch my breath, 1142 00:48:07,790 --> 00:48:10,700 from breaking down, realizing where I was. 1143 00:48:10,700 --> 00:48:13,680 Going into brain surgery was easier than this. 1144 00:48:18,950 --> 00:48:21,927 As soon as we crossed through the entryway, 1145 00:48:21,927 --> 00:48:22,760 to Auschwitz, 1146 00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,900 Kevin fell on my shoulder. 1147 00:48:30,385 --> 00:48:31,281 Crying. 1148 00:48:40,170 --> 00:48:41,323 He kept repeating, I'm sorry. 1149 00:48:41,323 --> 00:48:43,198 I'm so, so sorry. 1150 00:48:51,301 --> 00:48:54,676 Just the thought that I had raised my arm 1151 00:48:54,676 --> 00:48:55,943 and that a cursed symbol, 1152 00:49:00,691 --> 00:49:02,041 of the Sieg Heil. 1153 00:49:05,860 --> 00:49:08,203 As we were walking through Auschwitz, 1154 00:49:11,426 --> 00:49:13,773 and we came to the destroyed gas chambers 1155 00:49:15,720 --> 00:49:18,660 and it was quite literally the end of the line. 1156 00:49:18,660 --> 00:49:21,940 That was where the railroad tracks stopped. 1157 00:49:21,940 --> 00:49:24,350 But coming to the end of that line was 1158 00:49:25,850 --> 00:49:26,940 part of a spiritual journey 1159 00:49:26,940 --> 00:49:29,270 that I've been on for over 20 years. 1160 00:49:29,270 --> 00:49:31,170 And that Kevin's been on for 20 years. 1161 00:49:32,655 --> 00:49:35,100 It's part of our national Anthem, 1162 00:49:35,100 --> 00:49:39,784 singing about the Jerusalem or dream of 2000 years. 1163 00:50:16,330 --> 00:50:17,980 If you go down here and walk down, 1164 00:50:17,980 --> 00:50:19,880 there's one building standing. 1165 00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:21,170 It's the last building remaining 1166 00:50:21,170 --> 00:50:22,640 from those, from Terezin, 1167 00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:24,042 which is where we were yesterday. 1168 00:50:24,042 --> 00:50:25,630 Everything you see up and down this road 1169 00:50:25,630 --> 00:50:28,270 on both sides are people that sent here, from there. 1170 00:50:28,270 --> 00:50:29,430 And so when you said yesterday 1171 00:50:29,430 --> 00:50:31,310 that you felt like the numbers were off. 1172 00:50:31,310 --> 00:50:33,373 - They came here? - I would say you were right. 1173 00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,620 What bothers me, is this place just goes on for, 1174 00:51:00,620 --> 00:51:01,913 forever and ever. 1175 00:51:03,050 --> 00:51:03,883 You're entering a courtyard 1176 00:51:03,883 --> 00:51:05,356 where the Auschwitz murdered thousands of people. 1177 00:51:05,356 --> 00:51:07,000 Please maintain silence here. 1178 00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,781 Remember their suffering and show respect for their memory. 1179 00:51:40,183 --> 00:51:41,730 I often wonder if, 1180 00:51:41,730 --> 00:51:43,523 if God chose wisely with me. 1181 00:51:44,937 --> 00:51:46,810 Why did I, a punk little 17-year-old kid 1182 00:51:46,810 --> 00:51:48,331 deserve an extra chance? 1183 00:51:50,263 --> 00:51:51,348 I want to go to the gas chambers. 1184 00:53:27,853 --> 00:53:30,010 - Very inspiring, for real, thanks man. 1185 00:53:30,010 --> 00:53:31,067 - What are you thank you me for? 1186 00:53:31,067 --> 00:53:32,430 You made this happen. 1187 00:53:34,245 --> 00:53:35,880 - It was probably one of the most life changing events 1188 00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:37,530 of my life, I'm not going to lie. 1189 00:53:38,555 --> 00:53:40,723 It's going to take a long time to take all this in. 1190 00:53:44,170 --> 00:53:46,760 I feel a little cleaner inside. 1191 00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:48,707 Then again, I have all this emotion, all this hate, 1192 00:53:48,707 --> 00:53:50,070 and I don't want it to be hate 1193 00:53:50,070 --> 00:53:51,520 'cause I don't have anybody to hate. 1194 00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:52,353 I was angry. 1195 00:53:52,353 --> 00:53:53,890 I had no place to project it. 1196 00:53:53,890 --> 00:53:56,500 I've never in my life had to process something 1197 00:53:56,500 --> 00:53:58,060 and I've always, it's always, 1198 00:53:58,060 --> 00:54:00,360 hey, okay, let's move on, next thing. 1199 00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,840 This is something that's bigger than me, beyond me. 1200 00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,240 It's going to take me a long time to understand. 1201 00:54:07,540 --> 00:54:09,915 I think more people should come. 1202 00:54:09,915 --> 00:54:10,785 - Thank you. 1203 00:54:10,785 --> 00:54:12,699 Without you, this wouldn't have happened. 1204 00:54:22,986 --> 00:54:25,160 - When I think about going through the trial 1205 00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:28,330 and how friends, so-called friends, 1206 00:54:28,330 --> 00:54:29,430 because you all were tight, 1207 00:54:29,430 --> 00:54:30,820 you believed the same thing. 1208 00:54:30,820 --> 00:54:32,530 You had each other's backs. - Like brothers. 1209 00:54:32,530 --> 00:54:34,043 - All of you were brainwashed, 1210 00:54:35,150 --> 00:54:36,630 but they were brainwashed 1211 00:54:36,630 --> 00:54:38,450 where they were ready to kill a brother 1212 00:54:38,450 --> 00:54:39,573 because he was a Jew. 1213 00:54:41,150 --> 00:54:43,980 I don't whether education would make a difference, 1214 00:54:43,980 --> 00:54:46,130 but most of them would drop out from school. 1215 00:54:46,130 --> 00:54:48,510 They weren't interested in education. 1216 00:54:48,510 --> 00:54:51,533 And the end result was you dying, 1217 00:54:53,730 --> 00:54:56,980 and winding up at your own end of the line. 1218 00:54:56,980 --> 00:54:58,963 And it was an end of the line for you. 1219 00:55:01,220 --> 00:55:03,320 But it was the end of the line for us too, 1220 00:55:04,220 --> 00:55:06,170 your mom and dad 1221 00:55:06,170 --> 00:55:08,320 and your brothers and what we went through. 1222 00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:11,673 Our lives were turned upside down. 1223 00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:15,340 I don't want to go through that ever again. 1224 00:55:15,340 --> 00:55:17,420 I can't think of anything worse 1225 00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:21,203 than a family to have to go through something like that. 1226 00:55:24,314 --> 00:55:25,914 - Have I ever apologized to you? 1227 00:55:28,501 --> 00:55:30,903 - No , no. 1228 00:55:39,542 --> 00:55:44,037 - I'm sorry. 1229 00:55:54,100 --> 00:55:56,763 - John's story is a story of hope, 1230 00:55:57,850 --> 00:55:59,350 a story of victory, 1231 00:55:59,350 --> 00:56:00,350 the whole story of his life. 1232 00:56:00,350 --> 00:56:02,500 This is just one little segment of his life. 1233 00:56:02,500 --> 00:56:05,810 The whole story of John's life is amazing. 1234 00:56:05,810 --> 00:56:08,350 And I think people need to know 1235 00:56:08,350 --> 00:56:11,160 what a great man and how many great things he's done 1236 00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:13,650 from where he came and to where he is. 1237 00:56:13,650 --> 00:56:16,500 And whatever I can do to help him, 1238 00:56:16,500 --> 00:56:17,730 I would do. 1239 00:56:17,730 --> 00:56:21,300 - The families I've met that are either going through, 1240 00:56:21,300 --> 00:56:22,930 that have a child like I was, 1241 00:56:22,930 --> 00:56:26,480 not only a Jewish family, but say like, like Kevin. 1242 00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,830 We have a child that's involved in a racist organization. 1243 00:56:28,830 --> 00:56:29,930 What do I do? 1244 00:56:29,930 --> 00:56:31,570 The answer is always love them. 1245 00:56:31,570 --> 00:56:34,370 Make them feel like they have a place to come back to. 1246 00:56:34,370 --> 00:56:36,480 Many times over the years, people have asked me, 1247 00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:37,960 why do you think you survived? 1248 00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:39,410 And I definitely know that I survived 1249 00:56:39,410 --> 00:56:42,180 because God decided it wasn't my time to go. 1250 00:56:42,180 --> 00:56:43,710 And I've tried ever since then 1251 00:56:44,851 --> 00:56:46,800 to try and improve myself as a human being. 1252 00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:48,660 And when I came back to society 1253 00:56:48,660 --> 00:56:51,060 and be ready and available, 1254 00:56:51,060 --> 00:56:52,770 just to talk to people about the ability 1255 00:56:52,770 --> 00:56:54,100 and the power of change. 1256 00:56:54,100 --> 00:56:55,300 It is possible to change. 1257 00:56:55,300 --> 00:56:57,087 It as possible to become somebody else. 1258 00:56:57,087 --> 00:56:58,810 And I know some of the people that were involved 1259 00:56:58,810 --> 00:57:00,970 in my attack have changed for the better. 1260 00:57:00,970 --> 00:57:03,203 I know some have more or less stayed the same. 1261 00:57:07,100 --> 00:57:09,120 You can't really expect society to change. 1262 00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:10,070 It begins with you.