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- Mom, Dad, there's probably
a million things I wanna say,

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but I won't be able to.

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So, I think I could probably
say some from here.

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Notice how half of my face
is lit?

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For professionalism.

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That's why I'm going
to film school.

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Feeling pretty scared,

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and it has nothing to do
with going away.

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You know, going to school,

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it has to do with the fact that
everything's gonna change.

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Perhaps bring fame
to this family name,

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although, I know that's not
all that important.

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That all starts with you, Dad.

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Goes back to when you used
to take me to the movies.

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Thanks.

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I love you.

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- My people came
from up north Jersey.

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I was the first generation
born down here,

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down the shore.

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Highlands is the epitome
of a small town.

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in my hand

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- That is Our Lady of Perpetual
Hope Parochial School.

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They filled my head
full of lies

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about a magician
from the Far East

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who was the Son of God.

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No, they taught me great things.

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There was my first-grade
classroom, right there.

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That's where I learned
the basics.

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I would become a writer
because of that building.

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- Kevin was a very quiet child
when he was growing up.

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But he liked to play,

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and we had one of those um,
word processors,

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and that's what the older
ones gave him for his birthday,

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and he worked on that
all the time.

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- I remember a scenario
that he had gave me to read

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that was family oriented.

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You'd go to visit the relatives
and there was always a story

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what we could tell
and laugh about.

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So, I remember the writing
had something to do with that.

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I thought it was hysterical.

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My Dad, I guess you would say,

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is probably polar opposite
of Kevin.

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My father and Kevin
were very close.

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When Kevin would have to go
to the dentist, you know,

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they would take him
out of school,

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take him to the dentist,
then take him to the movies.

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- It was movies.
It was always--

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- Always movies. Always.
- Always movies.

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And he would take me out
on Wednesdays,

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to go see a matinee.

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My Mom was like, Dad's coming
to get you, you're gonna go

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see a movie today. I was like,
"What do I tell the office?"

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Like, "Tell them
your uncle died."

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The sister, at one point,
was like,

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Kevin, there are too many dead
people in your, in your family.

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And I was like, "I know,
they're droppin' like flies."

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- My father worked
for the postal service,

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very like, old school
about the work thing.

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You don't have to like your
job; you just have to do it.

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It's responsibility.

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- Loved my Mom, loved us.

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Didn't really care
about anything else.

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That was his biggest dream,
he wanted to get married

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and have kids, and he
accomplished it and stuff,

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and so, everything else was
just shit to pay for that.

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So, like, he wasn't like,

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"Oh, my career
at the post office,"

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it was like, my job,
and I hate my job.

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My life is a reaction to his
life, inasmuch as like,

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well, I don't wanna get a job.

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Like, I see what a job
does to people.

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Maybe I'll take my shot trying
something that's not a job.

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- He was in every play
in high school.

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He did pretty good;
everyone liked it.

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- This, right here,
Henry Hudson Regional,

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this is where our,
I did high school.

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You know, it was clear
that I liked the arts

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more than anything else.

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I was familiar with the concept
of the high school hero,

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like, people that quote unquote
peaked in high school.

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So, I didn't,
I didn't want that for me.

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I didn't want like, high school
to be the greatest time

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of my life,
and I loved high school.

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I just wanted that
to keep goin'.

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Never understood why
we were expected to stop

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pretending and, and dreaming,

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and-and making things,

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and you know,

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shootin' the moon.

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So, this is the Highlands
recreation center.

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This is where I meet
Walter Flanagan,

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Bryan Johnson, Jason Mewes,

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the people who will define
the rest of my life.

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I met here.

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- He got a job a the location
I was working at,

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the uh, community center.

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I knew he was one of these guys
that was into the-into plays,

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and into being on stage.

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And I immediately associate
that with like, corn bowl,

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or like, somebody I would never
have anything in common with.

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I didn't talk to anybody
about comic books.

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I was intrigued by
having somebody else

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that talked about comic books,
that really pushed me

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towards opening up and
becoming friends with him.

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- Kevin, I knew of
in high school.

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He was a couple years younger,

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and he was like a,
one of the video geek guys.

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He was into drama,
which I was not into.

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He was a big fan of SNL stuff,

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so, my humor was a brand
of humor that he hadn't seen

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thus far, that's dark.

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What I loved about him
was how quick he was.

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The recreation center itself
is what brought us together,

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brought Mewes there.

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- Sister, can I come in?
Okay, come on in.

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You wanna come in?

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Eyeline.
-

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Get the fuck outta here!

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Kevin, Walt, Bryan,
we used to all hang out and,

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and read comic books, and stuff.

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And Kevin knew of me because
Bryan and Walter were like,

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"Oh, Mewes is funny, man.
He loves comics,

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he wants to go to the comic
book convention.

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Let's bring this kid."
He thought, you know,

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"No, I'm the funny one,
not him."

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He didn't want a new person
in the group,

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and then, when we dropped him
off from that show,

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like I knew where he lived,
and I was like, "Oh, my God,

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he's one block." So,
I would walk to his house

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and knock on his door
and be like,

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"Hey, what are you doin'
today?"

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Um, and he'd be like,
"Yo, bro, we're not hanging out,

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we're not friends now."

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He was like, "Hey,
I'm writing a script

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and I'm puttin' you in it."
I was like,

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"Yeah, sure, whatever."
I thought he literally

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was gonna borrow
his aunt's VHS camera

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and we were gonna make like a,
video with some friends.

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And I'll kick his fuckin' ass

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if he talks about my girl
like that.

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- Kick his fuckin' heart
if he talks about your woman.

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- I'll kick his ass!
I'll kick his ass!

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- Black Panther whoop his ass!
- Yeah!

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- "Clerks" was forged
in the kiln

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of the Highlands Recreation
Center.

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We're comin' up
on the foundation

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upon which my entire life
was built.

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Can't escape it.
Best job I ever had

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in terms of return
on investment of time.

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Holy shit.
Can you imagine?

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I came to interview
at RST Video,

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the video store next door,
which is closed.

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Because I went to Quick Stop
and Mr. Topper was there.

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He goes, "Would you be
interested, from time to time,

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in working at the convenience
store?"

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So, what had happened was,
it wound up being

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mostly convenience store.

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It was, I got catfished
into this job, man.

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Like, I came for the video
store job,

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but then they were like,

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"You're really here
for a convenience store!"

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and they netted me and
put me behind the counter.

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So, it wasn't even a job
that I wanted.

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It wasn't even me going like,

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"Oh, my lord, I-I
desperately wanna work

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in yet another convenience
store."

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It was by default,

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that I wound up working
at the store

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that would literally
change my life.

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- I was workin'
at the Quick Stop.

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I was workin' there before
he was, actually,

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so, I was like, you know,
I had seniority.

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We would sit around
at the Quick Stop

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reading the Village Voice,

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and we started noticing these
ads for these midnight movies,

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and they looked interesting,

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and more interesting
than the type of films

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that were playing at the
multiplexes around New Jersey.

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So, uh, we had gone up there
to see "Slacker".

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In the car ride home,
he was driving,

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and I would look over at him,

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and you could see this
intensity in his eyes.

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I, I could tell that
his mind was racing.

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It was going a million miles
an hour,

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and that something
that clicked.

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Through "Slacker"
he saw filmmaking

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as an outlet for
his writing, really.

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Like, he had always wanted
to be a writer,

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and then, he was like,
"Holy shit,

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I can make a film for next
to nothing.

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I can self-finance a film

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and get my writing out there
that way."

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- I saw it all crystallize
when I saw

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Richard Linklater's "Slacker"
because I'm like,

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here's a guy who's like,
I'm gonna make a movie.

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Never mind waiting for somebody
to let me make a movie.

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- Oh, did that inspire Kevin
to get in front of the camera?

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'Cause I show up
in my movie?

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At least I gave myself
a three-page monologue.

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Kevin used that to stand around
and be quiet all the time.

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Tough acting.

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What inspired me
to make "Slacker"?

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Probably not being able to
do another kind of movie

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I wanted to make,

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so I made the film that
was kinda in my head.

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Some experimental narrative
that I was,

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can make in my backyard.
Very cheap.

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- You cannot argue the power of,

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of cinema,

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when I saw a movie

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and it made me change
everything.

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Everything!

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Like, what I thought
about myself.

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And it's not like I saw
this movie

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and it challenged what
I thought about myself

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because it spoke to me
on some level,

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I just like, this counts.

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Like, this, this is what I've
been waiting for my whole life.

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Like, I wanna do this.

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I had to educate myself.

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I wound up going to film school
in Vancouver.

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I had seen an ad
for the VFS -

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wanna go to film school,
but don't have time

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to go to four year?
Hit this program.

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And so, I went, and it's very
uncharacteristic of me

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to have made this weird move.

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Like, my friends often
think like,

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"You, who never thought
about doing that shit,

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what made you leave there
and go there?"

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Because there was no other way.

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- His word processor
was going up on a belt

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to go into the bottom
of the plane, and he goes,

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"Oh, my God!
Why isn't it up here with me?"

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- My education of film
school was

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"You need to surround yourself
with talented people."

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I did that, and then I bolted.

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So, if I hadn't seen that ad,

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I don't know that I would've
pursued film school.

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I never would've met
Scott Mosier,

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and Scott Mosier is absolutely
essential, the key,

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the battery, to all this shit.

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- That's beautiful, man.

245
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I knew I wanted to get into
movies, but I was not--

246
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I was the guy who was like,

247
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I was playing sports.

248
00:13:05,612 --> 00:13:07,856
I guess I was more jockish.

249
00:13:07,890 --> 00:13:10,065
Man: You're Emilio Estevez
in "Breakfast Club."

250
00:13:10,099 --> 00:13:12,930
- I was--
- If it was the five.

251
00:13:12,964 --> 00:13:15,242
- I would, if, okay.
So, I have to align myself

252
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with a part of
"The Breakfast Club"

253
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I would be more in
the Emilio Estevez camp.

254
00:13:21,524 --> 00:13:24,769
- If I had to put Mosier
in "The Breakfast Club",

255
00:13:24,804 --> 00:13:26,875
he's not Molly Ringwald.

256
00:13:26,909 --> 00:13:28,221
He's not the princess.

257
00:13:28,255 --> 00:13:30,119
He might see me
as Molly Ringwald.

258
00:13:30,154 --> 00:13:31,362
- He's not Molly Ringwald.

259
00:13:31,396 --> 00:13:33,882
I mean, he might want
to fantasize about,

260
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but I don't think
he's Molly Ringwald.

261
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- Emilio Estevez, the jock.

262
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But I mean, at the same time,
I know if somebody said,

263
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"Hey man, in a documentary,

264
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I said you were Emilio Estevez
in 'The Breakfast Club'",

265
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I'd be like, "What the fuck?
Is that how you see me?

266
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After all this time,
you think I'm the Emilio?"

267
00:13:51,554 --> 00:13:54,040
- It's tougher to say.
I mean, on one level,

268
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I guess I'd have to put him
in the Judd Nelson's character.

269
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Man: Really?

270
00:13:58,216 --> 00:14:00,529
- Bender's the smartest guy
in there,

271
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and he's the smartest
manipulator of the conversation.

272
00:14:03,566 --> 00:14:06,086
And there's something
of Kevin in that.

273
00:14:06,121 --> 00:14:08,019
- Maybe it's one
of the girl characters.

274
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Who does he think he was?

275
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- I wish I was Bender,
but I'm probably not.

276
00:14:16,959 --> 00:14:18,616
- I do think people
underestimate like,

277
00:14:18,650 --> 00:14:21,274
how hard he worked,
or how much time he put in

278
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when we got to that point,

279
00:14:23,138 --> 00:14:25,830
'cause there was nobody in film
school or anything like that,

280
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that could write like him.

281
00:14:28,281 --> 00:14:30,110
The script was the star, right.

282
00:14:30,145 --> 00:14:32,250
The script isn't the star
of that movie

283
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if he doesn't work his ass off

284
00:14:34,770 --> 00:14:37,807
and put in a ton of hours
as a writer,

285
00:14:37,842 --> 00:14:40,051
leading up to that point.
It's just not.

286
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This is somebody
who has a voice.

287
00:14:42,536 --> 00:14:44,366
- It's gonna be on my tombstone,

288
00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:47,679
"Here likes Brian O'Halloran,
born December 20, 1969,

289
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died whenever,

290
00:14:49,543 --> 00:14:51,166
he's not even supposed
to be here today."

291
00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:53,478
I'm not even supposed
to be here today!

292
00:14:53,513 --> 00:14:55,929
I don't need this. I'm not even
supposed to be here today.

293
00:14:55,964 --> 00:14:57,689
I'm not even supposed
to be here today!

294
00:14:57,724 --> 00:14:59,346
- Oh, fuck you!

295
00:14:59,381 --> 00:15:02,280
- Cool the fact that someone
of our age

296
00:15:02,315 --> 00:15:05,180
was taking a chance
to make a film.

297
00:15:05,214 --> 00:15:07,389
In reading the script,
he was incredibly witty

298
00:15:07,423 --> 00:15:10,392
and incredibly poignant
at the same time.

299
00:15:10,426 --> 00:15:12,463
When making it, I don't know,

300
00:15:12,497 --> 00:15:14,879
I didn't have that type of,
you know, vision of like,

301
00:15:14,914 --> 00:15:16,536
well, this is gonna be awesome!

302
00:15:16,570 --> 00:15:19,401
I was hoping that, you know,
we'll get a VHS copy of it,

303
00:15:19,435 --> 00:15:21,092
I'd be able to show friends.

304
00:15:21,127 --> 00:15:22,922
- John?

305
00:15:23,992 --> 00:15:25,614
Ah, my old friend.

306
00:15:25,648 --> 00:15:27,823
- Becomes clearer and clearer,
the more times you see it,

307
00:15:27,857 --> 00:15:30,826
just how unbelievably
meticulously structured

308
00:15:30,860 --> 00:15:32,966
and worked out "Clerks"
really is.

309
00:15:33,001 --> 00:15:35,693
- 37. My girlfriend
sucked 37 dicks.

310
00:15:35,727 --> 00:15:37,384
- In a row?

311
00:15:39,835 --> 00:15:42,148
- Everyone got it.
Just like,

312
00:15:42,182 --> 00:15:45,979
the voice, and the, you know,
the authenticity of it.

313
00:15:46,014 --> 00:15:47,360
- You think the average
Storm Trooper knows

314
00:15:47,394 --> 00:15:49,120
how to install a toilet main?

315
00:15:49,155 --> 00:15:50,846
All's they know is killin'
in white uniforms.

316
00:15:53,469 --> 00:15:55,609
- Who knew, you know,
that it tapped into

317
00:15:55,644 --> 00:15:57,439
the subculture that's been so,
we've been able to see now,

318
00:15:57,473 --> 00:15:59,130
all these years later,

319
00:15:59,165 --> 00:16:00,545
of people who Kevin
were speaking to,

320
00:16:00,580 --> 00:16:02,547
that were like, I've never
been spoken to before.

321
00:16:02,582 --> 00:16:04,101
You're my guy.

322
00:16:04,135 --> 00:16:06,068
- There's something
about Kevin's story

323
00:16:06,103 --> 00:16:08,346
cobbling together the resources
he had and like,

324
00:16:08,381 --> 00:16:10,348
coming out of working
in a video store,

325
00:16:10,383 --> 00:16:12,074
dropping out of film school.

326
00:16:12,109 --> 00:16:14,594
Like, he is the sort
of number one story

327
00:16:14,628 --> 00:16:17,045
of what Sundance represents
for, for filmmakers.

328
00:16:27,987 --> 00:16:31,024
- We're now looking to get
a distributor for "Clerks".

329
00:16:31,059 --> 00:16:32,715
- We're still getting picked up.
- Yeah.

330
00:16:32,750 --> 00:16:34,717
Woman: Okay, guys,
so how's it been going?

331
00:16:34,752 --> 00:16:37,134
- Great. We just did like,
three killer interviews today.

332
00:16:37,168 --> 00:16:38,721
- Is this the last screening
today?

333
00:16:38,756 --> 00:16:40,930
- And there is a great piece in
the New York Times coming out.

334
00:16:40,965 --> 00:16:42,967
- Yeah.
- And a great review

335
00:16:43,002 --> 00:16:45,142
in the Hollywood Reporter,
so, it's been a great day.

336
00:16:47,627 --> 00:16:51,044
- The film won over
that festival

337
00:16:51,079 --> 00:16:54,013
that was a very clear sense
of a build,

338
00:16:54,047 --> 00:16:56,049
the culminating screening
at The Egyptian,

339
00:16:56,084 --> 00:16:57,706
which sold the film.

340
00:16:59,294 --> 00:17:01,330
- I actually brought
something with me.

341
00:17:04,057 --> 00:17:06,680
This is my "Clerks" ticket.

342
00:17:06,715 --> 00:17:08,648
On the back of it,

343
00:17:08,682 --> 00:17:11,271
I wrote "The Clerks."

344
00:17:11,306 --> 00:17:13,204
I didn't even get the name
right.

345
00:17:18,106 --> 00:17:19,900
I told Kevin Smith,
many times,

346
00:17:19,935 --> 00:17:22,282
"Hey, you're one of the reasons
I'm a director,"

347
00:17:22,317 --> 00:17:23,939
and he's like,

348
00:17:24,974 --> 00:17:27,632
"Uh, you grew up on the set
of 'Ghostbusters'.

349
00:17:27,667 --> 00:17:29,979
Why did you need me
to tell you,

350
00:17:30,014 --> 00:17:31,533
you were a director?"

351
00:17:31,567 --> 00:17:33,949
"Clerks" became this access
point for me,

352
00:17:33,983 --> 00:17:35,744
to independent cinema,

353
00:17:35,778 --> 00:17:37,504
in a way I didn't think
it could be.

354
00:17:37,539 --> 00:17:40,197
I didn't think that art house
films could be funny.

355
00:17:40,231 --> 00:17:42,958
I grew up surrounded
by big comedic movies,

356
00:17:42,992 --> 00:17:45,547
but those always felt like
my dad's movies.

357
00:17:45,581 --> 00:17:47,445
When I saw "Clerks,"

358
00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:49,447
it felt like
I belonged to this.

359
00:17:49,482 --> 00:17:51,449
- When's the last time you
actually worked here,

360
00:17:51,484 --> 00:17:53,106
Mr. Smith?

361
00:17:53,141 --> 00:17:55,212
- God, it would have
to be back in May.

362
00:17:55,246 --> 00:17:57,110
You know, it was right
after Cannes, I think.

363
00:17:57,145 --> 00:17:58,905
I think I even came back
from Cannes,

364
00:17:58,939 --> 00:18:00,734
and worked for another week
or something,

365
00:18:00,769 --> 00:18:03,599
and then, that was it.
That fateful '94 year.

366
00:18:03,634 --> 00:18:05,843
- There's an element of luck
involved, but it's also,

367
00:18:05,877 --> 00:18:07,914
you know, kind of been the
voice of your generation,

368
00:18:07,948 --> 00:18:10,019
which, you know,
I mean he, he was.

369
00:18:10,054 --> 00:18:11,814
- "Clerks" was, you know,
me jumping out

370
00:18:11,849 --> 00:18:13,333
in front of the audience
and saying,

371
00:18:13,368 --> 00:18:15,128
"Hi, my name's Kevin Smith,

372
00:18:15,163 --> 00:18:17,406
and I'd like to speak to you
for the rest of my life."

373
00:18:23,930 --> 00:18:26,795
I, I did my thing,
I sang my song,

374
00:18:26,829 --> 00:18:29,038
in a very fortunate time.

375
00:18:29,073 --> 00:18:31,144
Timing was everything,
in the case of "Clerks,"

376
00:18:31,179 --> 00:18:32,904
me starting my career,

377
00:18:32,939 --> 00:18:35,148
because if I had started
a year or two later,

378
00:18:35,183 --> 00:18:37,461
that's the advent
of the internet,

379
00:18:37,495 --> 00:18:39,739
and there's gonna be
a generation of me.

380
00:18:39,773 --> 00:18:42,017
- When you sent me one at the
house to see it, a VCR tape.

381
00:18:42,051 --> 00:18:43,881
- VHS, yeah.
- Donald called me and said,

382
00:18:43,915 --> 00:18:45,710
"Well, what do you
think of it, Mom?"

383
00:18:45,745 --> 00:18:47,367
I said, "Oh, it's good,
it's really good."

384
00:18:47,402 --> 00:18:48,886
And right away, Donald said,
"You didn't even turn

385
00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:50,474
the voice on, did you."
-

386
00:18:50,508 --> 00:18:51,923
- I said,
"Oh, I was afraid to."

387
00:18:52,993 --> 00:18:55,479
- Making "Clerks"
making it to coming out,

388
00:18:55,513 --> 00:18:57,688
was still one of the, you know,

389
00:18:57,722 --> 00:18:59,724
great experiences of my life.

390
00:19:02,969 --> 00:19:04,591
You know, it's like being
on "The Price is Right."

391
00:19:04,626 --> 00:19:06,835
With each thing that happened,
there was a new,

392
00:19:06,869 --> 00:19:10,356
there was like, one more reveal,
like yeah, and fucking boat!

393
00:19:10,390 --> 00:19:12,496
And you're like,
"Holy shit, there's a boat!"

394
00:19:14,636 --> 00:19:16,672
- The underdog story of like,
"Look at this,

395
00:19:16,707 --> 00:19:18,881
movie looks like shit.
Don't we love these kids?

396
00:19:18,916 --> 00:19:21,746
Give it up for the kids!"
You know, like oh!

397
00:19:21,781 --> 00:19:23,610
It was always a shock,
and a surprise,

398
00:19:23,645 --> 00:19:25,612
and stuff like that.

399
00:19:25,647 --> 00:19:28,132
But once we'd gotten our foot
in the door, you know,

400
00:19:28,167 --> 00:19:30,755
I didn't wanna fuckin' risk
pulling it out again.

401
00:19:30,790 --> 00:19:33,206
You'd heard about one-hit
wonders and stuff like that,

402
00:19:33,241 --> 00:19:34,759
I didn't wanna be that.

403
00:19:34,794 --> 00:19:37,141
I was immediately tryin'
to set up the next thing.

404
00:19:37,176 --> 00:19:39,523
- Yeah, at Sundance,
we met Jim Jacks.

405
00:19:41,110 --> 00:19:43,458
- Jim Jacks, met him
at a party at Sundance,

406
00:19:43,492 --> 00:19:45,874
after we'd won an award and
shit like that, for "Clerks"

407
00:19:45,908 --> 00:19:48,463
and I was introduced to him,
and I was like,

408
00:19:48,497 --> 00:19:50,085
"Oh, shit, man, you did
'Dazed and Confused.'"

409
00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:53,226
- My same casting guy,
my same producer, same studio,

410
00:19:53,261 --> 00:19:54,676
same everything.
I don't know,

411
00:19:54,710 --> 00:19:56,574
I was trying to give him
advice on,

412
00:19:56,609 --> 00:19:58,473
to avoid some of the pitfalls.

413
00:19:59,853 --> 00:20:01,821
- We talked about when
they were ready to start

414
00:20:01,855 --> 00:20:04,168
talking about their next movie,
that we would talk.

415
00:20:05,204 --> 00:20:08,034
- We had this idea
for "Clerks" in a mall,

416
00:20:08,068 --> 00:20:10,174
and he was just like,
"Oh, my God, that's perfect."

417
00:20:10,209 --> 00:20:13,660
- That's January '94 and
I feel like by summer '94

418
00:20:13,695 --> 00:20:16,007
we were making "Mallrats."

419
00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,262
Kevin: We were making
a movie at a studio -

420
00:20:29,297 --> 00:20:32,092
the same studio that had made
"Animal House"

421
00:20:32,127 --> 00:20:35,061
and the "Blues Brothers,"
"Breakfast Club."

422
00:20:35,095 --> 00:20:36,890
"Mallrats" is literally me,

423
00:20:36,925 --> 00:20:38,789
making an 80s movie
in the 90s.

424
00:20:38,823 --> 00:20:40,756
- Snoots to the doo!

425
00:20:48,177 --> 00:20:50,214
- I felt like it was an
opportunity

426
00:20:50,249 --> 00:20:51,905
that I didn't wanna pass up,

427
00:20:51,940 --> 00:20:54,391
but I wouldn't say at that
point, even I was like,

428
00:20:54,425 --> 00:20:57,290
"Oh, my God, I wanna be in
movies, and act, and do that."

429
00:20:57,325 --> 00:20:59,292
It was more just like,
"Wow, this fell in my lap

430
00:20:59,327 --> 00:21:01,398
and I'd rather do this
than roofing."

431
00:21:01,432 --> 00:21:03,296
Growing up in Jersey,

432
00:21:03,331 --> 00:21:05,816
and flying out to California,

433
00:21:05,850 --> 00:21:07,749
and seeing like,
palm trees and stuff,

434
00:21:07,783 --> 00:21:09,854
I'd only seen them in like
"Beverly Hills Cop,"

435
00:21:09,889 --> 00:21:12,063
and "90210" and all this stuff,

436
00:21:12,098 --> 00:21:13,410
and now, all of a sudden,
I'm like,

437
00:21:13,444 --> 00:21:15,481
driving down Hollywood
Boulevard, you know,

438
00:21:15,515 --> 00:21:17,483
with the palm trees,
and meeting Shannon Doherty.

439
00:21:17,517 --> 00:21:19,243
It would seem surreal.

440
00:21:19,278 --> 00:21:22,281
Well, if it isn't my neighbor,
Mr. Svenning.

441
00:21:23,592 --> 00:21:26,319
- I get bags of chocolate
covered pretzels, all the time.

442
00:21:26,354 --> 00:21:28,666
You know, and it's just,

443
00:21:28,701 --> 00:21:31,807
that's such a memorable moment.

444
00:21:31,842 --> 00:21:34,431
Oh, my God, people like, "No!

445
00:21:34,465 --> 00:21:36,329
Oh, no, don't eat it!

446
00:21:36,364 --> 00:21:38,331
Yeah, eat it! Oh, no!"

447
00:21:38,366 --> 00:21:40,437
It was great working
with Kevin.

448
00:21:40,471 --> 00:21:42,922
We all got along;
everybody had a fun time.

449
00:21:42,956 --> 00:21:45,511
We met afterwards,
we'd have dinner, we'd eat,

450
00:21:45,545 --> 00:21:48,341
we'd go to the pool,
we'd play games.

451
00:21:48,376 --> 00:21:50,792
It was a great experience.
We took over the mall.

452
00:21:50,826 --> 00:21:52,966
- I was excited about it.
I was excited for him.

453
00:21:53,001 --> 00:21:54,761
I really liked the script.

454
00:21:54,796 --> 00:21:56,556
- When Jim Jacks read
the script, he goes,

455
00:21:56,591 --> 00:21:59,145
"This one character,
who's that supposed to be?"

456
00:21:59,179 --> 00:22:01,354
I was like, "Well, he's kinda
like a Stan Lee, I guess."

457
00:22:01,389 --> 00:22:03,252
You know, somebody that
everybody knows

458
00:22:03,287 --> 00:22:05,013
in the comic book community.
And he's like,

459
00:22:05,047 --> 00:22:07,118
"Well, why don't you just
write it for Stan Lee?"

460
00:22:07,153 --> 00:22:08,775
I'm like, "Well,
I don't know Stan Lee."

461
00:22:08,810 --> 00:22:10,674
Jim Jacks goes,
"Well, I do."

462
00:22:10,708 --> 00:22:12,917
And I was like,
"Hollywood is good."

463
00:22:12,952 --> 00:22:15,299
- Oh, my God!

464
00:22:15,334 --> 00:22:17,370
Holy shit!

465
00:22:18,785 --> 00:22:21,029
Aren't you...?
- Oh, Stan Lee.

466
00:22:21,063 --> 00:22:23,376
- My very first cameo,

467
00:22:23,411 --> 00:22:25,965
people refer to it
as its cameo.

468
00:22:25,999 --> 00:22:27,863
I would rather think of it

469
00:22:27,898 --> 00:22:30,521
as my first starring role.

470
00:22:34,214 --> 00:22:36,389
Filming on "Mallrats"

471
00:22:36,424 --> 00:22:38,598
was some of the most fun

472
00:22:39,910 --> 00:22:42,222
one could ever have.

473
00:22:42,257 --> 00:22:44,052
- "Mallrats" was me trying
to be entertaining,

474
00:22:44,086 --> 00:22:46,088
going like, you know, "Clerks"
worked out, and I was like,

475
00:22:46,123 --> 00:22:47,745
"Oh, they like me.
Well, here's me being

476
00:22:47,780 --> 00:22:49,747
entertaining to the masses!"

477
00:22:49,782 --> 00:22:52,232
And people were like,
"What? Comic books?

478
00:22:52,267 --> 00:22:54,234
Who is Stan Lee?"

479
00:22:54,269 --> 00:22:56,789
- It was an acting job.
I expect an award for that.

480
00:22:57,790 --> 00:23:00,379
- Kevin is not only
a terrific director,

481
00:23:01,656 --> 00:23:03,865
he's a great humorist.

482
00:23:03,899 --> 00:23:05,556
- It was fantastic.

483
00:23:05,591 --> 00:23:07,662
He was everything you hoped
in the world that he would be.

484
00:23:07,696 --> 00:23:10,596
- You don't somehow feel
that you're working,

485
00:23:11,666 --> 00:23:13,184
when you're working with Kevin.

486
00:23:13,219 --> 00:23:15,911
It's more like you're
with a friend

487
00:23:15,946 --> 00:23:18,189
and you're having
a great time together.

488
00:23:21,607 --> 00:23:25,438
- At one point, I got a phone
call from head of the studio,

489
00:23:25,473 --> 00:23:26,784
he's like, "I'm watching
the dailies.

490
00:23:26,819 --> 00:23:29,269
This scene with Stan Lee
reminds me

491
00:23:29,304 --> 00:23:32,549
of the Wolfman Jack scene
in 'American Graffiti.'"

492
00:23:32,583 --> 00:23:34,447
- There was no reason
it couldn't,

493
00:23:34,482 --> 00:23:35,931
and shouldn't, be a big hit.

494
00:23:35,966 --> 00:23:38,382
- Things were lookin' up
for that movie, man!

495
00:23:46,321 --> 00:23:48,116
My dream, of course,

496
00:23:48,150 --> 00:23:49,738
because I was a child
of the 80s,

497
00:23:49,773 --> 00:23:52,465
is a hundred million dollars
is a lot of money and stuff,

498
00:23:52,500 --> 00:23:54,847
and that's,
used to be a banner,

499
00:23:54,881 --> 00:23:57,125
hallmark in our industry
of like,

500
00:23:57,159 --> 00:23:59,265
oh my, if you could make
a hundred million dollars.

501
00:23:59,299 --> 00:24:01,578
Head of the studio,
Tom Pollock, said,

502
00:24:01,612 --> 00:24:03,442
"We're gonna to 'Animal House'
business with this movie."

503
00:24:03,476 --> 00:24:05,305
He goes, "We're gonna make a
hundred million dollars,"

504
00:24:05,340 --> 00:24:07,618
and he was off by 98 million,

505
00:24:07,653 --> 00:24:09,482
which is like, close.

506
00:24:11,242 --> 00:24:12,934
- Ah!

507
00:24:14,729 --> 00:24:17,490
- Suddenly, I went from
a high high to a low low.

508
00:24:17,525 --> 00:24:20,735
It mattered, to me,
to you know,

509
00:24:20,769 --> 00:24:22,875
get critical praise.

510
00:24:22,909 --> 00:24:26,292
Uh, that was, you know,
how "Clerks" thrived.

511
00:24:26,326 --> 00:24:28,501
- Whoever sent the review
that was like,

512
00:24:28,536 --> 00:24:30,883
"If they're ever gonna teach
a class in what not to do

513
00:24:30,917 --> 00:24:33,679
for your second film,
'Mallrats' should be

514
00:24:33,713 --> 00:24:35,197
at the heart of
the curriculum,"

515
00:24:35,232 --> 00:24:37,130
is not a,
is not a great review.

516
00:24:37,165 --> 00:24:40,099
And that was a review
admonishing Kevin for like,

517
00:24:40,133 --> 00:24:42,446
you know, we built you up.

518
00:24:42,481 --> 00:24:44,690
- The audience that ushered me
into this world,

519
00:24:44,724 --> 00:24:48,003
uh, were you know,
were intelligencia.

520
00:24:48,038 --> 00:24:50,247
"Clerks" never played on
more than 50 screens,

521
00:24:50,281 --> 00:24:52,767
and it was reviewed by like,
"The New York Times,"

522
00:24:52,801 --> 00:24:54,354
the "LA Times,"
the "Washington Post."

523
00:24:54,389 --> 00:24:56,943
- You know, those reviews were
painful because they were,

524
00:24:56,978 --> 00:25:00,499
they were, essentially, you
know, critics who had made him,

525
00:25:00,533 --> 00:25:03,018
you know, feeling betrayed.

526
00:25:04,157 --> 00:25:06,470
- Those were the people
that elevated that movie.

527
00:25:06,505 --> 00:25:08,161
Wasn't like the general
audience.

528
00:25:08,196 --> 00:25:10,578
General audience wouldn't
discover "Clerks"

529
00:25:10,612 --> 00:25:12,856
until home video,
and then, boy,

530
00:25:12,890 --> 00:25:15,444
it really connected, man,
and that was my true audience.

531
00:25:15,479 --> 00:25:18,551
So, when I went out there a
second time with "Mallrats,"

532
00:25:18,586 --> 00:25:20,208
the intelligencia were like,

533
00:25:20,242 --> 00:25:22,693
"What? What is this?

534
00:25:22,728 --> 00:25:24,799
John Landis, John Hughes?

535
00:25:24,833 --> 00:25:27,180
Like, ew. We put you here.

536
00:25:27,215 --> 00:25:29,389
We let you into our club,

537
00:25:29,424 --> 00:25:31,564
and this is the kinda shit
you're gonna make?

538
00:25:31,599 --> 00:25:33,393
Get outta here!"

539
00:25:33,428 --> 00:25:36,155
And so, it went south,
like real fuckin' fast.

540
00:25:36,189 --> 00:25:38,191
- You know, at that moment,
it's like,

541
00:25:38,226 --> 00:25:41,401
we're not, "Mallrats"
isn't a cult movie,

542
00:25:41,436 --> 00:25:43,921
it's not anything.
It's like, that's it.

543
00:25:43,956 --> 00:25:45,992
Like, its fate was sealed.

544
00:25:46,027 --> 00:25:48,650
It was a fuckin' bomb
that we made.

545
00:25:48,685 --> 00:25:50,859
You know, like that was it.

546
00:25:52,516 --> 00:25:55,484
Jason: "Mallrats didn't make
a huge box office hit,

547
00:25:55,519 --> 00:25:57,521
or anything,
but enough people saw it

548
00:25:57,556 --> 00:25:59,592
that I remember when I was
delivering pizza,

549
00:25:59,627 --> 00:26:01,456
um, people would be like,
"Hey, man,

550
00:26:01,490 --> 00:26:03,251
I saw you in that movie,
'Mallrats.'"

551
00:26:03,285 --> 00:26:05,253
And I'd hand them the pizza,
and I would be like,

552
00:26:05,287 --> 00:26:07,635
"Please, tip me big. Please
give me them tips, baby."

553
00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:09,913
- I feel like on "Clerks"
we were a real team,

554
00:26:09,947 --> 00:26:12,156
and on "Mallrats,"
we were a team,

555
00:26:12,191 --> 00:26:14,124
but in a little bit
of a different way.

556
00:26:14,158 --> 00:26:17,265
- On that movie,
he didn't know what to do.

557
00:26:17,299 --> 00:26:19,439
Like, you know, there were
times I think he was just like,

558
00:26:19,474 --> 00:26:21,856
"I should go home."
- I wanna be more involved,

559
00:26:21,890 --> 00:26:23,789
like, I want more
responsibility.

560
00:26:23,823 --> 00:26:25,860
- Scott was, to me,

561
00:26:25,894 --> 00:26:27,896
the most important person
on the journey

562
00:26:27,931 --> 00:26:30,761
'cause he was the only one
who was comin' with me.

563
00:26:30,796 --> 00:26:33,902
It's like, we have to keep
the fuckin' nucleus together.

564
00:26:35,007 --> 00:26:37,319
When "Mallrats" fails,

565
00:26:37,354 --> 00:26:40,737
you're like, all right,
well, fuck, we were in,

566
00:26:40,771 --> 00:26:42,531
and now we're not,

567
00:26:42,566 --> 00:26:44,948
so, how the fuck
do you stay in?

568
00:26:44,982 --> 00:26:47,088
- "Mallrats" hurt... hurt us,

569
00:26:47,122 --> 00:26:49,642
and a lot of people were like,
"Done!"

570
00:26:49,677 --> 00:26:51,748
- I have never seen those
two look more forlorn,

571
00:26:51,782 --> 00:26:53,646
that I can remember.

572
00:26:53,681 --> 00:26:55,648
- Nothing's going
to take away the uh,

573
00:26:55,683 --> 00:26:57,270
the disappointment that he,
that he had

574
00:26:57,305 --> 00:26:58,996
and you could see in him.

575
00:27:01,689 --> 00:27:03,760
- I don't think people
understand what a huge

576
00:27:03,794 --> 00:27:05,347
adjustment that is,
to be making a film

577
00:27:05,382 --> 00:27:07,004
with your friends,
for no money,

578
00:27:07,039 --> 00:27:10,698
to have people in some other
city watching your dailies.

579
00:27:10,732 --> 00:27:12,458
You pay such a price.

580
00:27:12,492 --> 00:27:14,978
- That's where Scott,
the magician, came to life.

581
00:27:15,012 --> 00:27:17,049
- I'm the person that people
should come to,

582
00:27:17,083 --> 00:27:18,913
to get shit done,

583
00:27:18,947 --> 00:27:21,156
or to even understand
what the fuck's going on.

584
00:27:21,191 --> 00:27:24,712
In order to become that person,
I had make "Chasing Amy."

585
00:27:24,746 --> 00:27:26,645
- "Chasing Amy"
could not have happened

586
00:27:26,679 --> 00:27:28,301
without "Mallrats" in between.

587
00:27:28,336 --> 00:27:31,477
- It was kind of like a,
let me see,

588
00:27:31,511 --> 00:27:33,652
do I have another magic trick,
and there was one,

589
00:27:33,686 --> 00:27:35,619
and I wouldn't have had
that magic trick,

590
00:27:35,654 --> 00:27:38,622
if I hadn't met Joey
on "Mallrats."

591
00:27:38,657 --> 00:27:41,211
- I remember getting
to know Kevin

592
00:27:41,245 --> 00:27:43,696
and we just had a great banter.

593
00:27:43,731 --> 00:27:46,872
You know, he, he's one of the
funniest people I've ever met.

594
00:27:49,081 --> 00:27:52,325
Yeah, hi, somebody told me
they make comic books here.

595
00:27:52,360 --> 00:27:54,811
Kevin and I started dating,

596
00:27:54,845 --> 00:27:57,123
and so, a lot of the movie is

597
00:27:57,158 --> 00:27:59,470
in a more cinematic sense,

598
00:27:59,505 --> 00:28:02,197
but like, issues that
we were going through.

599
00:28:03,474 --> 00:28:05,787
- "Chasing Amy" came
from a place of a guy

600
00:28:05,822 --> 00:28:08,479
who didn't know emotionally
how to be a grown up

601
00:28:08,514 --> 00:28:10,033
in a relationship.

602
00:28:10,067 --> 00:28:11,897
He was still a high school kid.

603
00:28:11,931 --> 00:28:13,726
- This kid from New Jersey
coming,

604
00:28:13,761 --> 00:28:17,730
and then living in Hollywood
with me,

605
00:28:17,765 --> 00:28:19,249
and all my friends,

606
00:28:20,595 --> 00:28:22,873
it was a lot for him.

607
00:28:22,908 --> 00:28:24,530
So, there was just a lot of,
I think,

608
00:28:24,564 --> 00:28:26,221
insecurity on his part.

609
00:28:26,256 --> 00:28:28,120
- Thank God I had that
relationship.

610
00:28:28,154 --> 00:28:30,570
Like, thank God, you know,
Joey was like,

611
00:28:31,779 --> 00:28:33,988
"What's wrong with you?"
You know, number one,

612
00:28:34,022 --> 00:28:35,748
"Chasing Amy" came out of it,

613
00:28:35,783 --> 00:28:38,130
that, that movie is about
our relationship,

614
00:28:38,164 --> 00:28:39,890
to some degree,

615
00:28:39,925 --> 00:28:41,892
or my inability to process
her past, or whatever.

616
00:28:41,927 --> 00:28:43,825
And number two,
it, more importantly,

617
00:28:43,860 --> 00:28:45,965
I came away from all that
a better person.

618
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,449
Like, you know,
at the end of the day,

619
00:28:47,484 --> 00:28:49,728
you hope you could say that
about every relationship

620
00:28:49,762 --> 00:28:52,075
of your life, and particularly
the ones that end.

621
00:28:52,109 --> 00:28:54,594
- He gave me the opportunity to,

622
00:28:54,629 --> 00:28:57,459
in a really smart
and articulate way,

623
00:28:57,494 --> 00:29:00,083
kind of cuss him out about it,

624
00:29:00,117 --> 00:29:02,775
and that exterior hockey rink
scene is what that was.

625
00:29:04,812 --> 00:29:06,503
In some of the more
emotional scenes,

626
00:29:06,537 --> 00:29:09,748
he surprised me that
he could do that, as well.

627
00:29:10,852 --> 00:29:14,166
It was amazing, to be given the
opportunity to play a lead role

628
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,720
and for Kevin to see that in me,

629
00:29:16,755 --> 00:29:19,309
um, you know,
it was just magical.

630
00:29:20,310 --> 00:29:22,277
- I wrote the script,
loved it.

631
00:29:22,312 --> 00:29:24,038
When I got it to a place,
I liked it,

632
00:29:24,072 --> 00:29:25,556
I submitted it to Miramax,
and I said,

633
00:29:25,591 --> 00:29:28,974
"I wrote it for Ben Affleck,
and Joey Adams, and Jason Lee,"

634
00:29:29,008 --> 00:29:30,907
and I was like,
"They were in 'Mallrats.'"

635
00:29:30,941 --> 00:29:33,530
And she goes,
"Well, Kevin, you know,

636
00:29:33,564 --> 00:29:36,326
the movie business isn't
about making movies

637
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,949
with your friends."
I said internally,

638
00:29:38,984 --> 00:29:41,952
"Well, I'm gonna spend the rest
of my career disproving that."

639
00:29:41,987 --> 00:29:43,885
- Making "Chasing Amy" was
really hard, and you know,

640
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,094
the original budget was
like a million and a half,

641
00:29:46,129 --> 00:29:47,647
or something like that.

642
00:29:47,682 --> 00:29:50,305
- We were at an impasse
for awhile.

643
00:29:50,340 --> 00:29:52,894
Miramax wasn't green-lighting
"Chasing Amy"

644
00:29:52,929 --> 00:29:55,034
and Sundance '96,

645
00:29:55,069 --> 00:29:56,725
John Pierson releases his book,

646
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,831
"Spike Mike Slackers & Dykes."

647
00:29:58,866 --> 00:30:00,315
Does a book signing, and stuff.

648
00:30:00,350 --> 00:30:02,386
This is the opportunity.
I'm going after John's book,

649
00:30:02,421 --> 00:30:04,492
but I'm also gonna sit down
with Miramax

650
00:30:04,526 --> 00:30:07,702
to have a discussion
about "Chasing Amy."

651
00:30:07,736 --> 00:30:09,462
- He was like,
"I got the budget!

652
00:30:09,497 --> 00:30:11,085
I got the money for the movie!"
And I was like,

653
00:30:11,119 --> 00:30:12,949
"Fuckin' awesome."
And he's like, I was like,

654
00:30:12,983 --> 00:30:14,847
"You got the one point
whatever?"

655
00:30:14,882 --> 00:30:17,574
And he's like, "Well..."
he's like, "I got $250,000."

656
00:30:17,608 --> 00:30:19,507
I was like,
"To do the whole thing?"

657
00:30:19,541 --> 00:30:21,129
- He goes, "What are you
fuckin' crazy?

658
00:30:21,164 --> 00:30:22,890
We can't do that!"
And I was like,

659
00:30:22,924 --> 00:30:24,374
"Well, sure we can, man,

660
00:30:24,408 --> 00:30:26,825
we made 'Clerks' for $27,000!"

661
00:30:26,859 --> 00:30:28,861
- That was my fault.
I was like,

662
00:30:28,896 --> 00:30:30,552
"Yeah, well, what could you do
this for, Kevin, $250,000?

663
00:30:32,347 --> 00:30:34,625
Mosier should totally blame me.

664
00:30:36,489 --> 00:30:39,838
Coffee, Rolaids, and cigarettes
for that whole movie.

665
00:30:39,872 --> 00:30:43,393
That was not the healthiest
I've ever been.

666
00:30:45,844 --> 00:30:47,397
You know, I mean,
I was young.

667
00:30:47,431 --> 00:30:49,675
I mean, not to say
that I'm like,

668
00:30:49,709 --> 00:30:51,608
"Hey, kids, when you're young,

669
00:30:51,642 --> 00:30:54,266
just fuckin' do stupid
things to your body."

670
00:30:57,407 --> 00:30:59,892
And "Chasing Amy" to me,
was accepting that idea

671
00:30:59,927 --> 00:31:01,894
and that budget, was me
going like, "All right, well,

672
00:31:01,929 --> 00:31:04,034
I'm gonna, I'll just say yes,
and figure it out."

673
00:31:06,278 --> 00:31:10,006
At the time, I was just
exhausted, and felt beat up,

674
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,525
and kind of didn't know
if it was worth it,

675
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,838
but looking back,

676
00:31:14,873 --> 00:31:16,771
I can say like,
I had to do that.

677
00:31:16,805 --> 00:31:18,877
- To bring all those people
together and shit,

678
00:31:18,911 --> 00:31:21,914
and actually make it work,
like that was his magic.

679
00:31:26,505 --> 00:31:29,749
- The execution was shock,
you know, shockingly good.

680
00:31:29,784 --> 00:31:32,718
You know, I thought it was
completely transcended.

681
00:31:32,752 --> 00:31:34,444
- After seeing it for the first
time, I was like,

682
00:31:34,478 --> 00:31:36,791
"This one will,
will please the people

683
00:31:36,825 --> 00:31:39,104
who weren't happy
with 'Mallrats.'"

684
00:31:42,314 --> 00:31:45,593
- "Chasing Amy" was a
delivering upon that promise

685
00:31:45,627 --> 00:31:47,491
that here was a voice,
it was real,

686
00:31:47,526 --> 00:31:49,942
it had something to say,
it was authentic, um,

687
00:31:49,977 --> 00:31:52,048
and that there was more to come.

688
00:31:52,082 --> 00:31:54,291
- He made a movie that was
going to be well received.

689
00:31:54,326 --> 00:31:56,155
Way ahead of its time.

690
00:31:56,190 --> 00:31:59,607
- It's about a guy who comes
to this club and

691
00:31:59,641 --> 00:32:01,747
hightails it when
he finds out...

692
00:32:01,781 --> 00:32:03,818
ready for this?

693
00:32:05,924 --> 00:32:07,684
This girl is gay.

694
00:32:08,685 --> 00:32:10,618
We knew people like that.

695
00:32:10,652 --> 00:32:12,378
Like, you know,
it wasn't like,

696
00:32:12,413 --> 00:32:14,898
Kevin created this world
that didn't exist.

697
00:32:14,933 --> 00:32:17,452
Kevin captured a world,
that, you know,

698
00:32:17,487 --> 00:32:19,592
we knew gay people like that.

699
00:32:19,627 --> 00:32:21,525
- I would definitely say
I was probably

700
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,665
the first gay person
that Kevin ever met.

701
00:32:24,735 --> 00:32:27,083
His complete acceptance
of my life

702
00:32:27,117 --> 00:32:29,257
came out in that movie.

703
00:32:30,362 --> 00:32:32,226
I came to the realization
I was gay

704
00:32:32,260 --> 00:32:33,986
when I was in college.

705
00:32:34,021 --> 00:32:36,437
I probably should've figured it
out long before then,

706
00:32:36,471 --> 00:32:38,784
but the town we lived in
was so small,

707
00:32:38,818 --> 00:32:41,683
that we never knew
any other gay people.

708
00:32:43,513 --> 00:32:46,240
When he first started asking me
questions, you know,

709
00:32:46,274 --> 00:32:48,000
it was a little on
the uncomfortable side,

710
00:32:48,035 --> 00:32:51,245
because I really didn't
know how graphically

711
00:32:51,279 --> 00:32:53,764
he wanted to know.
You know, I thought it was,

712
00:32:53,799 --> 00:32:55,904
maybe it was feigning interest,
you know, to be like,

713
00:32:55,939 --> 00:32:58,252
"Oh, okay,
and this is your new life,

714
00:32:58,286 --> 00:32:59,667
well, let's talk about it."

715
00:32:59,701 --> 00:33:02,911
Um, but then I could see, as
the conversation was going on,

716
00:33:02,946 --> 00:33:06,260
that you know, no,
he was genuinely like,

717
00:33:06,294 --> 00:33:08,331
what to do people do?

718
00:33:08,365 --> 00:33:10,471
And that was his way
of going through it

719
00:33:10,505 --> 00:33:12,991
and trying to put it all
in perspective that,

720
00:33:13,025 --> 00:33:15,338
okay, well, this is true,
or this isn't true.

721
00:33:15,372 --> 00:33:18,030
After you broached the subject,

722
00:33:18,065 --> 00:33:20,412
then you looked at me
with kind of funny face,

723
00:33:20,446 --> 00:33:22,793
you went like,
"So, you suck dick."

724
00:33:22,828 --> 00:33:26,038
And it was like,
"Yeah, I guess I do,

725
00:33:26,073 --> 00:33:28,523
yeah, that's part of it."

726
00:33:30,870 --> 00:33:33,252
It speaks to me in
a lot of ways,

727
00:33:33,287 --> 00:33:35,151
just like it did
a lot of other people.

728
00:33:35,185 --> 00:33:37,187
Tarantino: "Chasing Amy"
is extremely personalized,

729
00:33:37,222 --> 00:33:39,672
extremely good. I'm still
shocked that Kevin Smith

730
00:33:39,707 --> 00:33:41,536
turned the corner he took
in that movie.

731
00:33:41,571 --> 00:33:44,125
I got a nosebleed, he like,
took such a jump.

732
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,059
- Now, at last, we've come what,
at least I think,

733
00:33:47,094 --> 00:33:49,199
is the only good movie
on this week's show.

734
00:33:49,234 --> 00:33:50,511
It's called "Chasing Amy."

735
00:33:50,545 --> 00:33:53,410
- To feel his start continuing
to rise, from like,

736
00:33:53,445 --> 00:33:55,412
"Clerks" to "Chasing Amy"
and beyond,

737
00:33:55,447 --> 00:33:57,069
was, was really exciting.

738
00:33:57,104 --> 00:34:00,624
- And the Oscar goes to
Ben Affleck and Matt Damon!

739
00:34:00,659 --> 00:34:02,661
- Yeah!

740
00:34:03,972 --> 00:34:05,284
Yahoo!

741
00:34:05,319 --> 00:34:06,734
Damon: Without Kevin
and Scott, the movie never,

742
00:34:06,768 --> 00:34:08,529
never would've happened.
Couldn't have happened.

743
00:34:08,563 --> 00:34:10,393
We were going to get
into turnaround,

744
00:34:10,427 --> 00:34:12,395
we were gonna lose our script,
but you read it,

745
00:34:12,429 --> 00:34:14,086
and that's why
"Good Will Hunting" got made.

746
00:34:14,121 --> 00:34:15,605
And that's why you're a
producer on the movie.

747
00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:17,331
- I do, I get my name
on the flick.

748
00:34:17,365 --> 00:34:18,953
- I don't know where we
would be without you.

749
00:34:18,987 --> 00:34:20,748
- It's on "Dogma,"
where suddenly like,

750
00:34:20,782 --> 00:34:22,474
we get to add to the resume,
and shit.

751
00:34:22,508 --> 00:34:24,338
Like, "Ladies and gentlemen,

752
00:34:24,372 --> 00:34:26,547
coming off of their Oscar win

753
00:34:26,581 --> 00:34:29,136
for 'Good Will fuckin'
Hunting,'

754
00:34:29,170 --> 00:34:32,104
which the fat guy
was involved with as well,

755
00:34:32,139 --> 00:34:33,588
him and his buddy,

756
00:34:33,623 --> 00:34:36,798
it's Matt Damon
and Ben Affleck!"

757
00:34:36,833 --> 00:34:39,215
So, we had those two dudes
at the fuckin'

758
00:34:39,249 --> 00:34:42,804
absolute height of their
magic hour power.

759
00:34:42,839 --> 00:34:45,048
Reporter: And Hollywood dish

760
00:34:45,083 --> 00:34:47,292
on Ben Affleck, Matt Damon,
and their on-screen reunion.

761
00:34:47,326 --> 00:34:49,017
- Damon and pal,
Ben Affleck,

762
00:34:49,052 --> 00:34:50,536
playing fallen angels

763
00:34:50,571 --> 00:34:52,780
trying to get back
into heaven in "Dogma."

764
00:34:52,814 --> 00:34:55,265
- I remember saying like,
"Next movie I wanna make is-

765
00:34:55,300 --> 00:34:57,405
is about the Catholic Church,"
and uh,

766
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,063
they loved that.
Everybody at Miramax, like,

767
00:35:00,098 --> 00:35:02,134
"This is the company for that!
Right on!"

768
00:35:02,169 --> 00:35:05,620
- To do "Dogma" was like,
just a stupor of bliss,

769
00:35:05,655 --> 00:35:07,588
and that's how it's been for me

770
00:35:07,622 --> 00:35:10,798
every time I worked with Kevin.

771
00:35:16,286 --> 00:35:18,185
What have I been doing
with my life?

772
00:35:19,772 --> 00:35:23,328
The power of his humor
is commensurate

773
00:35:23,362 --> 00:35:26,089
with the terror of the times.

774
00:35:26,124 --> 00:35:27,746
- Like, it's bittersweet
for me to watch "Dogma"

775
00:35:27,780 --> 00:35:31,405
because it was written by
a boy who believed all that.

776
00:35:31,439 --> 00:35:33,648
Like, it wasn't Christian
mythology,

777
00:35:33,683 --> 00:35:35,478
that was just what happened.

778
00:35:35,512 --> 00:35:37,790
There are angels, there's
a heaven, there's a hell.

779
00:35:37,825 --> 00:35:40,241
You know, it wasn't until
on "Dogma"

780
00:35:40,276 --> 00:35:42,381
I worked with George Carlin
for the first time.

781
00:35:42,416 --> 00:35:45,419
George Carlin, you know,
one of my heroes.

782
00:35:45,453 --> 00:35:46,799
At one point, he goes,

783
00:35:46,834 --> 00:35:48,939
"You really believe this stuff
still, huh?"

784
00:35:48,974 --> 00:35:51,839
And I go, "Yeah, you don't?"
And he goes,

785
00:35:51,873 --> 00:35:54,807
"No, I'm smarter than that."

786
00:35:54,842 --> 00:35:57,155
- I give you, The Buddy Christ.

787
00:36:06,992 --> 00:36:09,028
- It was awesome gettin'
to work with Chris Rock,

788
00:36:09,063 --> 00:36:10,858
and Ben, and Matt,
and everybody.

789
00:36:10,892 --> 00:36:14,379
Alan Rickman,
it was crazy, bro.

790
00:36:14,413 --> 00:36:17,623
- There's been, like on "Dogma"
like, Alan Rickman.

791
00:36:17,658 --> 00:36:19,970
This guy like,
invited me to dinner.

792
00:36:20,005 --> 00:36:23,146
Like, he's like, telling me
stories of like, growing up.

793
00:36:23,181 --> 00:36:25,217
Like, I got invited
to dinner by this guy.

794
00:36:25,252 --> 00:36:27,323
Like, that's when you go,

795
00:36:27,357 --> 00:36:30,222
I never fucking imagined that.

796
00:36:30,257 --> 00:36:31,982
- I'll see ya.

797
00:36:32,017 --> 00:36:33,984
- So, when I got to "Dogma,"

798
00:36:34,019 --> 00:36:36,366
I did feel like oh, like,
I know where my place is.

799
00:36:36,401 --> 00:36:38,437
"Dogma" to me,
ends up being like,

800
00:36:38,472 --> 00:36:40,198
trying to make an indie movie

801
00:36:40,232 --> 00:36:42,890
with a lot of big movie
problems.

802
00:36:42,924 --> 00:36:45,824
- "Dogma" on paper,

803
00:36:45,858 --> 00:36:47,791
or in theory,

804
00:36:47,826 --> 00:36:49,931
like, sounded like
a Miramax dream come true,

805
00:36:49,966 --> 00:36:51,726
where it's like, oh, my God,

806
00:36:51,761 --> 00:36:54,039
we're gonna get so much press.

807
00:36:54,073 --> 00:36:56,248
And then it turned into
a Miramax nightmare,

808
00:36:56,283 --> 00:36:58,250
because there was too much
press,

809
00:36:58,285 --> 00:37:00,321
and the Catholic League
came after the movie.

810
00:37:00,356 --> 00:37:02,703
Catholic League is
a self-appointed body.

811
00:37:02,737 --> 00:37:04,567
They're a watchdog group.

812
00:37:04,601 --> 00:37:08,122
That organization
went after the movie

813
00:37:08,156 --> 00:37:09,951
in big, bad way.

814
00:37:10,918 --> 00:37:12,437
Reporter: Ben Affleck
and Selma Hayek

815
00:37:12,471 --> 00:37:14,680
were greeted by hundreds
of Catholic protestors

816
00:37:14,715 --> 00:37:16,613
at the premiere
of their film "Dogma."

817
00:37:16,648 --> 00:37:19,478
- We went to the, you know,
New York Film Festival

818
00:37:19,513 --> 00:37:21,618
and jumped out of the car,

819
00:37:21,653 --> 00:37:24,725
thousand people or more
lined up with rosaries,

820
00:37:24,759 --> 00:37:26,623
protesting the movie.

821
00:37:26,658 --> 00:37:29,626
Holding a giant statue of Mary
and shaking placards at us,

822
00:37:29,661 --> 00:37:32,077
and stuff like that.
It was crazy.

823
00:37:32,111 --> 00:37:34,252
So, the movie caught some
people

824
00:37:34,286 --> 00:37:35,770
in the absolute wrong way -

825
00:37:35,805 --> 00:37:37,945
people who'd never seen it
and would never see it.

826
00:37:37,979 --> 00:37:40,534
- We're giving them publicity,
but negative publicity.

827
00:37:40,568 --> 00:37:41,914
- It doesn't mock religion.

828
00:37:41,949 --> 00:37:43,709
It's actually very
pro-faith and devout.

829
00:37:43,744 --> 00:37:46,229
- Protest against the movie
in Eatontown, tonight.

830
00:37:46,264 --> 00:37:48,404
They were joined by this man.

831
00:37:48,438 --> 00:37:50,716
He wouldn't admit it,
but he looked and sounded

832
00:37:50,751 --> 00:37:53,271
suspiciously like "Dogma's"
writer, director,

833
00:37:53,305 --> 00:37:56,308
co-star, and New Jersey
resident, Kevin Smith.

834
00:37:56,343 --> 00:37:58,828
- Lady's like, "You kinda
look like the filmmaker."

835
00:37:58,862 --> 00:38:01,244
And I was like, "No, no, no."

836
00:38:01,279 --> 00:38:04,212
I don't think it stands for,
for anything positive.

837
00:38:04,247 --> 00:38:06,284
- What does it stand for?
- I don't know,

838
00:38:06,318 --> 00:38:07,837
but I've been told not good.

839
00:38:07,871 --> 00:38:09,632
- It was one of these
things where read it,

840
00:38:09,666 --> 00:38:11,910
and then flash forward to like,

841
00:38:11,944 --> 00:38:13,981
seeing it in Cannes.
- That was very exciting.

842
00:38:14,015 --> 00:38:15,741
That was the first time
I ever went to Cannes,

843
00:38:15,776 --> 00:38:18,468
that was to be, I wanted to be
part of the "Dogma" entourage.

844
00:38:18,503 --> 00:38:19,711
I was like, really meant a lot.

845
00:38:19,745 --> 00:38:21,989
- Production was quiet.
Nobody heard anything,

846
00:38:22,023 --> 00:38:23,784
like, while we were making
the movie. There was nothing.

847
00:38:23,818 --> 00:38:26,062
Wasn't until later on.

848
00:38:26,096 --> 00:38:28,340
Wasn't until like,
when we were gettin' ready

849
00:38:28,375 --> 00:38:30,894
to start showing the movie
in Cannes,

850
00:38:30,929 --> 00:38:33,241
they had to install metal
detectors.

851
00:38:33,276 --> 00:38:34,898
400,000 pieces of hate mail.

852
00:38:34,933 --> 00:38:37,349
Three legit death threats.

853
00:38:37,384 --> 00:38:39,696
Like, uh, one said,
one of the letters said,

854
00:38:39,731 --> 00:38:43,044
"You Jews better take that
money you stole from us

855
00:38:43,079 --> 00:38:45,046
and start investing
in flak jackets,

856
00:38:45,081 --> 00:38:47,497
'cause we're coming in
there with shotguns."

857
00:38:50,397 --> 00:38:51,846
It was strange
because it was a movie

858
00:38:51,881 --> 00:38:53,917
with a rubber poop monster
in it.

859
00:38:53,952 --> 00:38:55,712
Out of that environment,
like, you know,

860
00:38:55,747 --> 00:38:57,507
I gotta make a movie after that,
and I was just like,

861
00:38:57,542 --> 00:39:00,717
I do not wanna make a movie
where anyone gets mad,

862
00:39:00,752 --> 00:39:03,962
or anybody is shoutin' at me,

863
00:39:03,996 --> 00:39:06,965
or, you know, sayin'
that I'm gonna go to hell.

864
00:39:06,999 --> 00:39:09,174
I'm gonna make the least
offensive movie

865
00:39:09,208 --> 00:39:11,349
I can possibly make,

866
00:39:11,383 --> 00:39:13,661
and that was "Jay and Silent
Bob Strike Back,"

867
00:39:13,696 --> 00:39:16,388
which has one of the highest
fuck counts of a movie

868
00:39:16,423 --> 00:39:18,045
ever made.

869
00:39:18,079 --> 00:39:20,599
Fuck. Fuck. Fuck.
Fuck. Fuck. Fuck.

870
00:39:23,775 --> 00:39:25,397
noise, noise, noise

871
00:39:25,432 --> 00:39:28,469
four, noise, noise, noise

872
00:39:28,504 --> 00:39:30,402
shmokin' weed

873
00:39:30,437 --> 00:39:32,370
drinkin' beers

874
00:39:32,404 --> 00:39:34,337
beers, beers

875
00:39:34,372 --> 00:39:36,650
He was on fire,
like he stole "Dogma."

876
00:39:36,684 --> 00:39:38,652
If he stole "Dogma"
out from under like,

877
00:39:38,686 --> 00:39:40,619
movie stars and comedians.

878
00:39:40,654 --> 00:39:42,207
George Carlin, Chris Rock
in that movie,

879
00:39:42,241 --> 00:39:44,382
and still, people like,
"Oh, Jay."

880
00:39:44,416 --> 00:39:47,177
So, felt like,
all right, lean into this.

881
00:39:47,212 --> 00:39:48,869
When all was said and done,

882
00:39:48,903 --> 00:39:51,872
it was like a very dirty
version of "The Muppet Movie."

883
00:39:51,906 --> 00:39:53,494
- You know,

884
00:39:53,529 --> 00:39:55,323
where two, they're on their
way to Hollywood.

885
00:39:55,358 --> 00:39:57,671
- Three days to stop that
fuckin' stupid movie

886
00:39:57,705 --> 00:39:59,914
from gettin' made.
Come on, Silent Bob,

887
00:39:59,949 --> 00:40:01,813
we're goin' to Hollywood!

888
00:40:03,573 --> 00:40:06,058
- I was surprised, not
because that Kevin cast me,

889
00:40:06,093 --> 00:40:08,406
but because I might have

890
00:40:09,510 --> 00:40:10,891
my name in the title of a movie,

891
00:40:10,925 --> 00:40:13,411
leading a movie,
so I was a little nervous,

892
00:40:13,445 --> 00:40:15,585
'cause I was,
I was a little rusty.

893
00:40:15,620 --> 00:40:17,622
Um, I excited because all,

894
00:40:17,656 --> 00:40:19,589
honestly the greediness
in me was like,

895
00:40:19,624 --> 00:40:21,453
"Ooh, how much money,
if I'm the lead?"

896
00:40:21,488 --> 00:40:23,593
Shit, yeah,
we gots to get paid!

897
00:40:23,628 --> 00:40:25,284
- "Jay and Silent Bob
Strike Back"

898
00:40:25,319 --> 00:40:28,046
is like this victory lap movie,
like we made four movies!

899
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,324
Let's talk about 'em
in the fifth one!

900
00:40:36,744 --> 00:40:38,712
Kevin: It's a fan film,
and you know,

901
00:40:38,746 --> 00:40:40,748
I was a fan of myself.

902
00:40:40,783 --> 00:40:42,267
It's important to be a fan
of yourself.

903
00:40:42,301 --> 00:40:44,234
Proud to be a Kevin Smith fan.

904
00:40:44,269 --> 00:40:46,409
Like, I like Kevin Smith movies.
They're fuckin' weird.

905
00:40:46,444 --> 00:40:48,411
It's like they're made for me.

906
00:40:52,657 --> 00:40:55,660
- It's not like "Chasing Amy"
and "Dogma" weren't fun,

907
00:40:55,694 --> 00:40:57,489
like we always had fun,

908
00:40:57,524 --> 00:40:59,457
it was just the level of stress

909
00:40:59,491 --> 00:41:01,044
makes it less fun.

910
00:41:01,079 --> 00:41:03,081
Now, you go and make "Jay
and Silent Bob Strike Back"

911
00:41:04,392 --> 00:41:06,084
our most expensive movie
at that point.

912
00:41:06,118 --> 00:41:07,568
We shoot five-day weeks,

913
00:41:07,603 --> 00:41:10,019
we're shooting in LA,
it's really simple.

914
00:41:10,053 --> 00:41:12,435
- I was writing for "USA Today"

915
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:14,368
and I was assigned
to interview him.

916
00:41:14,402 --> 00:41:16,370
I didn't know who he was,

917
00:41:16,404 --> 00:41:18,061
and that's how we met.

918
00:41:19,269 --> 00:41:22,376
We did the interview and within
a year, we were married.

919
00:41:26,829 --> 00:41:29,487
with passionate love

920
00:41:30,902 --> 00:41:33,905
about the noises above

921
00:41:35,044 --> 00:41:37,978
when she's on top

922
00:41:39,117 --> 00:41:41,188
I had never dreamt of acting.

923
00:41:41,222 --> 00:41:43,224
I'm incredibly awkward
and shy

924
00:41:43,259 --> 00:41:44,743
in front of a camera.

925
00:41:44,778 --> 00:41:46,158
I knew that it was not
something

926
00:41:46,193 --> 00:41:48,644
that I wanted to pursue and,
and make a career out of,

927
00:41:48,678 --> 00:41:51,025
but the experiences that I had

928
00:41:51,060 --> 00:41:53,545
while doing the movies
with my family,

929
00:41:53,580 --> 00:41:56,444
were pretty priceless.

930
00:41:56,479 --> 00:41:58,895
Our first real big move
for a shoot

931
00:41:58,930 --> 00:42:01,311
was "Jay and Bob Strike Back."

932
00:42:01,346 --> 00:42:03,106
We were in New Jersey

933
00:42:03,141 --> 00:42:05,488
and we all moved to Los Angeles.

934
00:42:19,606 --> 00:42:21,953
- I had a blast on Jay and Bob,
a hundred percent.

935
00:42:21,987 --> 00:42:24,438
I was just happy I still
had the opportunities.

936
00:42:27,406 --> 00:42:29,270
There was the fun of going out
and drinking,

937
00:42:29,305 --> 00:42:32,032
but I feel like there
was a lot of camaraderie.

938
00:42:32,066 --> 00:42:34,379
- It was me and him every day,

939
00:42:34,413 --> 00:42:36,312
and everyone else changed.

940
00:42:36,346 --> 00:42:38,176
- Who's the main guy
in this movie?

941
00:42:38,210 --> 00:42:40,281
- Some asshole.
- That's not true.

942
00:42:40,316 --> 00:42:42,214
I've seen him working hard.
- Really?

943
00:42:42,249 --> 00:42:44,596
You think he's a hard worker?
- Yeah.

944
00:42:44,631 --> 00:42:46,253
- The shoot was a blast.

945
00:42:46,287 --> 00:42:47,703
- It was like,
"How do we do this?"

946
00:42:47,737 --> 00:42:49,636
and then there was some guy
would pop up and be like,

947
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:51,603
"Well, that's my job,
I do that.

948
00:42:51,638 --> 00:42:54,261
You want him to have a giant
dildo lightsaber? Okay"

949
00:42:57,471 --> 00:42:59,749
- There was a spirit of fun

950
00:42:59,784 --> 00:43:02,096
and enjoyment there,
and I thought,

951
00:43:02,131 --> 00:43:04,720
you know, you almost forget
that that,

952
00:43:04,754 --> 00:43:06,514
that it is fun to perform,

953
00:43:06,549 --> 00:43:08,620
because everyone's so nervous
for their jobs,

954
00:43:08,655 --> 00:43:10,967
and the money, and time.

955
00:43:11,002 --> 00:43:13,038
- Kevin has worked hard
to make sure that

956
00:43:13,073 --> 00:43:15,869
he has this group of people
that are like a family.

957
00:43:15,903 --> 00:43:17,387
It's the Partridge Family bus.

958
00:43:17,422 --> 00:43:20,045
- This is my single favorite
shoot, of all of them.

959
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:21,702
- Really?

960
00:43:21,737 --> 00:43:24,671
- Yeah, this is fun.
Great. Well scheduled.

961
00:43:24,705 --> 00:43:27,915
Man: "Jay and Silent Bob
Strike Back" is wrapped.

962
00:43:27,950 --> 00:43:29,710
Thank you all, very, very much.

963
00:43:33,576 --> 00:43:35,613
- We had a test screening.

964
00:43:35,647 --> 00:43:37,615
And it went well.

965
00:43:37,649 --> 00:43:39,651
We scored higher than
we've ever scored

966
00:43:39,686 --> 00:43:41,515
on any of our other movies
before.

967
00:43:43,621 --> 00:43:45,657
The early 2000's was nice
to see like,

968
00:43:45,692 --> 00:43:48,004
oh wow, the, the characters

969
00:43:48,039 --> 00:43:50,144
from you know,
the very first film,

970
00:43:50,179 --> 00:43:53,285
and the View Askew are popping
in mainstream kinda culture.

971
00:44:42,403 --> 00:44:44,336
- We opened up the website,

972
00:44:44,371 --> 00:44:46,062
the View Askew website.

973
00:44:46,097 --> 00:44:48,133
It's a message board
where people could post

974
00:44:48,168 --> 00:44:50,688
a subject and inside, they'd
write whatever they want.

975
00:44:50,722 --> 00:44:53,173
And then you can answer
at your leisure.

976
00:44:53,207 --> 00:44:55,658
I'm like, suddenly you
could reach people.

977
00:44:55,693 --> 00:44:57,660
Once we opened the doors,
like a community built,

978
00:44:57,695 --> 00:45:00,214
and we were all like-minded
individuals.

979
00:45:01,388 --> 00:45:03,424
- Kevin was the first person
that I knew, that had,

980
00:45:03,459 --> 00:45:06,738
that set up an internet
visibility of you know,

981
00:45:06,773 --> 00:45:09,189
of a known person, to kind
of reach his fan base.

982
00:45:09,223 --> 00:45:11,398
- He's like, the first person
I knew who had a computer,

983
00:45:11,432 --> 00:45:13,331
and he was in like,
already like,

984
00:45:13,365 --> 00:45:14,953
chatting with fans somehow.

985
00:45:14,988 --> 00:45:16,886
And I just thought it
was the stupidest thing.

986
00:45:16,921 --> 00:45:18,750
- Kevin and his fans.

987
00:45:18,785 --> 00:45:20,269
Have nothing but admiration

988
00:45:20,303 --> 00:45:22,754
for how that got built up
over time.

989
00:45:22,789 --> 00:45:24,135
- They were my audience.

990
00:45:24,169 --> 00:45:27,034
They have a fuck about
Kevin Smith, like, fantastic.

991
00:45:27,069 --> 00:45:28,933
And we also had common
interests in comics,

992
00:45:28,967 --> 00:45:31,073
and "Star Wars," and hockey.

993
00:45:31,107 --> 00:45:33,454
Suddenly, I was tangentially
pulling those things in.

994
00:45:33,489 --> 00:45:35,629
- The web board, I started
just posting on that,

995
00:45:35,663 --> 00:45:37,389
just because Kevin was on there.

996
00:45:37,424 --> 00:45:39,598
If you posted a question,
Kevin answered it.

997
00:45:39,633 --> 00:45:41,842
Like, now, you know,
everybody, that's anybody.

998
00:45:41,877 --> 00:45:43,706
You can do that on Twitter,
you can do that anywhere,

999
00:45:43,741 --> 00:45:45,639
but back then,
it was just unheard of.

1000
00:45:45,673 --> 00:45:47,468
So, I became part of this
little community.

1001
00:45:54,821 --> 00:45:56,167
"Mallrats" comes out.

1002
00:45:56,201 --> 00:45:58,169
They released the "Mallrats"
script book,

1003
00:45:58,203 --> 00:46:00,412
and I went to the Staten Island
mall to get it,

1004
00:46:00,447 --> 00:46:01,862
and the guy's like, "Nah,

1005
00:46:01,897 --> 00:46:03,243
he's like we don't carry
that Kevin Smith.

1006
00:46:03,277 --> 00:46:05,383
Kevin Smith sucks anyway."
So, I took my recorder,

1007
00:46:05,417 --> 00:46:07,488
and I just started screaming
at the guy.

1008
00:46:15,738 --> 00:46:17,809
I wrote Kevin an email,
and I was like, "Hey man,"

1009
00:46:17,844 --> 00:46:19,431
I was like,
"...just to let you know..."

1010
00:46:19,466 --> 00:46:21,019
I don't know even why
I told him, but again,

1011
00:46:21,054 --> 00:46:22,849
that's what Kevin fostered,
that like,

1012
00:46:22,883 --> 00:46:24,885
ability to just reach out, and
he was like, "This is amazing."

1013
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:26,680
And then he's like, "Do you
wanna come work for me?"

1014
00:46:26,714 --> 00:46:28,993
And I was like, "Yeah."
It was great.

1015
00:46:29,027 --> 00:46:31,029
One of the most defining
moments of my life.

1016
00:46:31,064 --> 00:46:32,824
- People on the message
board were like,

1017
00:46:32,859 --> 00:46:34,481
what are you sellin'?
I was like,

1018
00:46:34,515 --> 00:46:36,276
I'm not really selling
anything.

1019
00:46:36,310 --> 00:46:38,485
And then I looked around
and I said -

1020
00:46:38,519 --> 00:46:40,521
this was after "Mallrats"
tanked -

1021
00:46:40,556 --> 00:46:44,594
and we had boxes and boxes
of posters of the movie.

1022
00:46:44,629 --> 00:46:46,769
So, I was like, "I guess,
I could sign these posters

1023
00:46:46,804 --> 00:46:48,909
and sell them,"
and people were like, "Yes!"

1024
00:46:48,944 --> 00:46:51,049
So, I started taggin'
the "Mallrats" posters

1025
00:46:51,084 --> 00:46:52,637
and sellin' 'em online.

1026
00:46:52,671 --> 00:46:54,432
So, people would order stuff.

1027
00:46:54,466 --> 00:46:56,779
Brian Quinn,
he was the guy

1028
00:46:56,814 --> 00:46:58,608
who would put the shirt
into an envelope

1029
00:46:58,643 --> 00:47:00,058
and send it to you.

1030
00:47:00,093 --> 00:47:01,473
- Kevin made View Askew uh,

1031
00:47:01,508 --> 00:47:03,682
so welcoming to fans.

1032
00:47:03,717 --> 00:47:05,615
I mean, he would throw
the Vulgarthon.

1033
00:47:05,650 --> 00:47:07,617
We've got a few movies,
let's have film festivals.

1034
00:47:07,652 --> 00:47:09,757
People from the message board
from the website

1035
00:47:09,792 --> 00:47:12,208
would come to Redbank you know,
from all around the world,

1036
00:47:12,243 --> 00:47:14,072
and see movies,
and we'd have Q&A's

1037
00:47:14,107 --> 00:47:15,833
and bring the actors up.

1038
00:47:15,867 --> 00:47:18,421
- And Kevin had no barriers
between them.

1039
00:47:18,456 --> 00:47:20,354
Like, I'm your friend,
let's talk,

1040
00:47:20,389 --> 00:47:22,287
let's get to know you.
He would listen to everybody;

1041
00:47:22,322 --> 00:47:25,566
he would talk to everybody.
So, dealing with fans was fun.

1042
00:47:25,601 --> 00:47:28,293
- We had fans coming from
Australia, from Canada,

1043
00:47:28,328 --> 00:47:30,123
and England, Brazil.

1044
00:47:30,157 --> 00:47:32,780
People would put that type
of an effort to come

1045
00:47:32,815 --> 00:47:35,369
and see movies, and meet you,

1046
00:47:35,404 --> 00:47:37,820
because it connected with them.

1047
00:47:37,855 --> 00:47:39,201
- Oh, my God, these strangers
on the internet.

1048
00:47:39,235 --> 00:47:40,892
Oh, my God,
how did you do that?

1049
00:47:40,927 --> 00:47:42,963
I was like, so, oh, my God,
they could be like, murderers,

1050
00:47:42,998 --> 00:47:44,896
and this is crazy, you know.
And we drove down,

1051
00:47:44,931 --> 00:47:46,346
because I was like,
I had to see this.

1052
00:47:46,380 --> 00:47:48,451
All these docile, sweet people
from around the world,

1053
00:47:48,486 --> 00:47:50,695
went to the store,
bought a bunch of stuff,

1054
00:47:50,729 --> 00:47:52,352
and then he signed it,
all night long.

1055
00:47:52,386 --> 00:47:54,664
And I thought,
this guy is just brilliant.

1056
00:47:54,699 --> 00:47:57,875
- So, this is Redbank,
New Jersey.

1057
00:47:57,909 --> 00:48:01,050
This has been the home
of my office,

1058
00:48:01,085 --> 00:48:03,708
the home of uh,
the comic book store -

1059
00:48:03,742 --> 00:48:05,813
Jay and Silent Bob's
Secret Stash.

1060
00:48:05,848 --> 00:48:09,610
We wound up moving the base
of operations to Redbank.

1061
00:48:09,645 --> 00:48:12,510
View Askew office is still
in Redbank, to this day,

1062
00:48:12,544 --> 00:48:14,995
and that's where we send
all the merchandise out of

1063
00:48:15,030 --> 00:48:16,790
when people order stuff.

1064
00:48:16,824 --> 00:48:19,103
It's crazy that the merchandise
went from like,

1065
00:48:19,137 --> 00:48:22,382
"Hey, what are you guys
sellin'" to... this.

1066
00:48:26,317 --> 00:48:28,284
I like making loot,
don't get me wrong.

1067
00:48:28,319 --> 00:48:30,286
I got a mercantile instinct,
and stuff,

1068
00:48:30,321 --> 00:48:32,185
but more importantly,
there's a thousand of that

1069
00:48:32,219 --> 00:48:33,945
thing out in the world,

1070
00:48:33,980 --> 00:48:35,774
where somebody's walkin'
through somebody's house

1071
00:48:35,809 --> 00:48:37,949
being like "What is this?" "Oh,
that's my Kevin Smith pop."

1072
00:48:37,984 --> 00:48:39,709
"Who's Kevin Smith?"

1073
00:48:39,744 --> 00:48:41,539
"What? Let me tell you!"

1074
00:48:41,573 --> 00:48:43,955
And then, the story goes on.

1075
00:48:43,990 --> 00:48:46,578
Some people watch entertainment
just to be entertained,

1076
00:48:46,613 --> 00:48:48,063
they go, "Oh, that's fuckin'
cool."

1077
00:48:48,097 --> 00:48:50,168
Some people go deeper than that
and become fans,

1078
00:48:50,203 --> 00:48:51,859
where they're like,
I watch everything I can

1079
00:48:51,894 --> 00:48:53,413
of these people. Oh,
I fuckin' love what they do,

1080
00:48:53,447 --> 00:48:55,173
I love the cut of their jib.

1081
00:48:55,208 --> 00:48:57,417
Penn and Teller,
back in 1985, I think it was,

1082
00:48:57,451 --> 00:48:59,143
when they first did SNL.

1083
00:48:59,177 --> 00:49:00,696
That's when they jumped
on my radar,

1084
00:49:00,730 --> 00:49:02,732
and instantly,
I fell in love.

1085
00:49:02,767 --> 00:49:05,080
A, they were funny;
B, they were subversive.

1086
00:49:05,114 --> 00:49:07,013
They were working
in their genre

1087
00:49:07,047 --> 00:49:10,602
and poking fun at their genre
at the same time,

1088
00:49:10,637 --> 00:49:12,777
which is something that
I would go on to do,

1089
00:49:12,811 --> 00:49:15,573
when I had a career.
It just sat well with me.

1090
00:49:15,607 --> 00:49:18,369
So much so, that I went to see
"Penn and Teller Get Killed"

1091
00:49:18,403 --> 00:49:21,510
and then bought the VHS

1092
00:49:21,544 --> 00:49:24,271
from Choice Video
in Middletown.

1093
00:49:24,306 --> 00:49:25,652
See my luck.

1094
00:49:25,686 --> 00:49:27,585
They gave me a damaged box,
those dirty fucks.

1095
00:49:27,619 --> 00:49:29,069
- Wait, wait, let me--

1096
00:49:30,070 --> 00:49:31,727
- Creased in there.

1097
00:49:31,761 --> 00:49:35,041
- Oh, yeah.
- Kinda mad, but oh, well.

1098
00:49:35,075 --> 00:49:37,526
- My name is Penn Jillette -

1099
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,874
J-i-l-l-e-t-t-e.

1100
00:49:40,908 --> 00:49:43,394
First name is Pen,
like short for Penny,

1101
00:49:43,428 --> 00:49:46,362
with two n's, the old
abbreviation for Pennsylvania.

1102
00:49:46,397 --> 00:49:49,365
Don't put PA Jillette there,
it's Penn Jillette.

1103
00:49:54,129 --> 00:49:56,994
I'm removed enough from Kevin,
in terms of age,

1104
00:49:57,028 --> 00:50:00,514
that it's so flattering
to have somebody

1105
00:50:00,549 --> 00:50:03,448
that was aware of stuff I was
doing when they were young.

1106
00:50:03,483 --> 00:50:05,140
Of course, I know that.

1107
00:50:05,174 --> 00:50:07,659
I mean, after our show every
night, someone mentions it,

1108
00:50:07,694 --> 00:50:11,180
but someone who is kind of
as important of a culture.

1109
00:50:11,215 --> 00:50:15,046
There's a lot of talk
about what damage you know,

1110
00:50:15,081 --> 00:50:16,289
Twitter, and Facebook,

1111
00:50:16,323 --> 00:50:19,016
and, and internet itself,

1112
00:50:19,050 --> 00:50:20,672
has done to our culture,

1113
00:50:20,707 --> 00:50:23,606
and probably gave us, you know,
a, a really shitty president.

1114
00:50:23,641 --> 00:50:26,195
But while it gave us that,

1115
00:50:27,265 --> 00:50:29,578
it's possible it also
gave us Kevin Smith.

1116
00:50:29,612 --> 00:50:32,650
- Kevin has successfully kinda
created his own world,

1117
00:50:32,684 --> 00:50:35,066
his own humor,
his own fan base.

1118
00:50:35,101 --> 00:50:36,930
You know, you have
to really admire it.

1119
00:50:36,964 --> 00:50:39,105
- People were voting with their
dollars for Kevin Smith stuff.

1120
00:50:39,139 --> 00:50:40,934
It was very, very, very obvious.

1121
00:50:40,968 --> 00:50:43,143
His fans were ready
at that point, were legion.

1122
00:50:44,282 --> 00:50:47,492
What he did cultivating that,

1123
00:50:47,527 --> 00:50:50,633
you can't understate just
how, how amazing that was.

1124
00:50:56,053 --> 00:50:58,262
1996, 1997,

1125
00:50:58,296 --> 00:51:00,712
it was about as dark a time
as you could imagine in comics.

1126
00:51:01,713 --> 00:51:03,370
When we approached Kevin,

1127
00:51:03,405 --> 00:51:06,270
Kevin was riding high as hell,
right,

1128
00:51:06,304 --> 00:51:08,375
as a, as a young director,
young filmmaker,

1129
00:51:08,410 --> 00:51:10,170
young writer,

1130
00:51:10,205 --> 00:51:12,138
and looking at it
from his perspective, right,

1131
00:51:12,172 --> 00:51:14,174
there was a lot to risk there.

1132
00:51:15,210 --> 00:51:17,108
And he said yes.

1133
00:51:17,143 --> 00:51:19,490
And when he said yes,
and when those books came out,

1134
00:51:19,524 --> 00:51:21,595
it changed everything.

1135
00:51:23,252 --> 00:51:26,117
He brought a spotlight
to comic books.

1136
00:51:26,152 --> 00:51:28,085
He brought excitement
to comic books.

1137
00:51:28,119 --> 00:51:29,948
He has been an advocate
for the industry

1138
00:51:29,983 --> 00:51:33,642
from his very first day that he
could say something publicly.

1139
00:51:33,676 --> 00:51:35,920
Not only saved my career,
and, and Marvel

1140
00:51:35,954 --> 00:51:38,612
but contributed to the saving
of comics.

1141
00:51:39,993 --> 00:51:43,824
- Kevin has had a great impact
on comic books.

1142
00:51:43,859 --> 00:51:46,172
Kevin: When I was growing up,
you knew Stan's voice

1143
00:51:46,206 --> 00:51:48,243
even before you ever heard
Stan's voice,

1144
00:51:48,277 --> 00:51:49,761
because he would write
in the comic books.

1145
00:51:49,796 --> 00:51:51,660
He would editorialize.

1146
00:51:51,694 --> 00:51:55,146
And he had such a good time
with it and made you feel

1147
00:51:55,181 --> 00:51:56,872
like you were part of
something,

1148
00:51:56,906 --> 00:51:59,392
and always treated
his fans insanely well.

1149
00:51:59,426 --> 00:52:01,842
He's a salesman,
at the end of the day.

1150
00:52:01,877 --> 00:52:04,224
Like, particularly
for Marvel in those eras.

1151
00:52:04,259 --> 00:52:06,606
But he taught me
how to be a businessman

1152
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:08,159
and do it with class.

1153
00:52:08,194 --> 00:52:11,058
- Almost every comic book
writer and artist,

1154
00:52:11,093 --> 00:52:14,200
has great respect for him,

1155
00:52:14,234 --> 00:52:16,202
and great love for him.

1156
00:52:18,376 --> 00:52:20,447
- Kevin has had a lot of
stories to tell in his life,

1157
00:52:20,482 --> 00:52:21,966
a lot of ups and downs.

1158
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:23,761
But one part of his life

1159
00:52:23,795 --> 00:52:26,867
has been the resurgence of
Marvel and the comics industry.

1160
00:52:29,215 --> 00:52:31,631
- Trust me, true believer.
Trust me.

1161
00:52:34,806 --> 00:52:36,463
- When I got to
"Entertainment Weekly"

1162
00:52:36,498 --> 00:52:39,190
and sort of set up myself
as one of the handful of geeks

1163
00:52:39,225 --> 00:52:41,123
that they had working
on that stuff,

1164
00:52:41,158 --> 00:52:43,194
especially in the,
in the mid to late 90's,

1165
00:52:43,229 --> 00:52:45,852
anytime we would have to do
a story about like,

1166
00:52:45,886 --> 00:52:49,166
geek culture, Kevin was
the guy we all talked to,

1167
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,444
because he was the filmmaker
who did this stuff.

1168
00:52:51,478 --> 00:52:53,204
He was the voice of authority.

1169
00:52:58,692 --> 00:53:01,799
The fact that geek culture
caught up with where he was,

1170
00:53:01,833 --> 00:53:03,559
you know, 25 years ago,

1171
00:53:03,594 --> 00:53:05,423
we're now fully in that sphere,

1172
00:53:05,458 --> 00:53:08,012
in the world that he was always
evangelizing for,

1173
00:53:08,046 --> 00:53:11,049
has made him sort of like,
you know, Methuselah.

1174
00:53:11,084 --> 00:53:13,293
You know, like, he's the man
on the mountain

1175
00:53:13,328 --> 00:53:15,226
who's been dispensing this
wisdom for a long time.

1176
00:53:16,262 --> 00:53:19,057
Announcer: Ladies
and gentlemen, Kevin Smith!

1177
00:53:39,112 --> 00:53:40,838
Kevin: At a certain point,

1178
00:53:40,872 --> 00:53:43,703
I, I gave up on the notion
of uh,

1179
00:53:43,737 --> 00:53:46,223
Kevin Smith filmmaker,

1180
00:53:46,257 --> 00:53:48,777
and you know, he's,
I still make films,

1181
00:53:48,811 --> 00:53:50,710
uh, but like, you know,

1182
00:53:50,744 --> 00:53:52,436
maybe it's because the critics
were like, "He's no filmmaker,"

1183
00:53:52,470 --> 00:53:54,403
I'm like, "All right,
they're right."

1184
00:53:54,438 --> 00:53:56,854
But I got to a point
where I'm like,

1185
00:53:56,888 --> 00:54:00,098
yeah, but I think I'm gonna be
so much more.

1186
00:54:01,479 --> 00:54:04,586
And because of that, I wound up
being myself for a living.

1187
00:54:06,243 --> 00:54:08,383
Suddenly, I wasn't just like
oh, he made "Clerks."

1188
00:54:08,417 --> 00:54:11,938
I was able to build myself
into the art project.

1189
00:54:13,388 --> 00:54:15,597
- I like that Kevin
is setting himself up

1190
00:54:15,631 --> 00:54:19,325
as just kind of general
interesting artist,

1191
00:54:20,326 --> 00:54:23,432
uh, that spills
in every direction.

1192
00:54:23,467 --> 00:54:26,815
- I was aware of Kevin Smith
beyond his movies,

1193
00:54:26,849 --> 00:54:28,817
but as an idea, you know.

1194
00:54:28,851 --> 00:54:30,439
Here was a filmmaker who,

1195
00:54:30,474 --> 00:54:32,579
not only did I know his name
on a poster,

1196
00:54:32,614 --> 00:54:36,238
but here was a guy who
was out and he was speaking,

1197
00:54:36,273 --> 00:54:37,998
and he was eloquent,
and he was funny,

1198
00:54:38,033 --> 00:54:40,138
and he could go on stage
and talk for an hour.

1199
00:54:40,173 --> 00:54:43,107
- I could listen to him talk
non-stop all day,

1200
00:54:43,141 --> 00:54:46,110
and I think the guy is just
this extraordinary storyteller.

1201
00:54:46,144 --> 00:54:49,907
- Because of the movies,
I was forced kind of out front.

1202
00:54:49,941 --> 00:54:51,909
I'd bring Scott up with me.

1203
00:54:51,943 --> 00:54:53,704
First of all, he was like
my security blanket.

1204
00:54:53,738 --> 00:54:55,188
Somebody would say,
"What was the budget?"

1205
00:54:55,222 --> 00:54:56,983
and I'd be like,
"Scott, what was the budget?"

1206
00:54:57,017 --> 00:54:58,467
And he was the producer,

1207
00:54:58,502 --> 00:55:01,332
so he would then lean into the
mic and be like, "$27,575."

1208
00:55:01,367 --> 00:55:02,713
And then,
I'd go back to talking.

1209
00:55:02,747 --> 00:55:05,405
- The first time we do a Q&A,

1210
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,339
you, it's like,
he wasn't where he is now,

1211
00:55:08,374 --> 00:55:10,548
but there was something
there already.

1212
00:55:10,583 --> 00:55:12,550
- We just basically fed the cat

1213
00:55:12,585 --> 00:55:13,931
and didn't let him go near
a box for--

1214
00:55:13,965 --> 00:55:16,140
That's why you don't see
that like,

1215
00:55:16,174 --> 00:55:17,969
no animals were harmed in this.

1216
00:55:18,004 --> 00:55:20,593
- I was the guy coming in
at zero,

1217
00:55:20,627 --> 00:55:23,216
but he was up front
and figuring out

1218
00:55:23,250 --> 00:55:26,046
his relationship
to an audience early on.

1219
00:55:26,081 --> 00:55:29,015
- The essence of his
incredible gift

1220
00:55:29,049 --> 00:55:31,638
for doing that
was instantly apparent.

1221
00:55:31,673 --> 00:55:33,399
- First one of the night, dude.

1222
00:55:33,433 --> 00:55:35,401
- All right, first question,
what's a Nubian?

1223
00:55:35,435 --> 00:55:37,161
I'm sure that's--
- Not for nothin',

1224
00:55:37,195 --> 00:55:39,301
but I will do the fuckin' jokes,
here.

1225
00:55:41,338 --> 00:55:43,478
- I was raised Catholic
and I was an altar boy.

1226
00:55:43,512 --> 00:55:46,998
And as an altar boy, you're
right there with the priest,

1227
00:55:47,033 --> 00:55:49,276
where you're the centre
of attention.

1228
00:55:49,311 --> 00:55:50,830
I thought when I was a kid,

1229
00:55:50,864 --> 00:55:52,970
"Oh, maybe I wanna be a priest,
you know,

1230
00:55:53,004 --> 00:55:55,386
like giving the homily and
doing the readings, and stuff."

1231
00:55:55,421 --> 00:55:57,250
And then, years later,
I realized

1232
00:55:57,284 --> 00:55:59,356
oh, no,
I just wanna be on stage.

1233
00:55:59,390 --> 00:56:02,289
And so, you know, that's why
I spend a lot of time

1234
00:56:02,324 --> 00:56:04,291
on stages around the world,

1235
00:56:04,326 --> 00:56:07,812
because it fills that desire
from childhood.

1236
00:56:07,847 --> 00:56:10,677
So, I got a taste of that
in childhood,

1237
00:56:10,712 --> 00:56:12,852
up through like,
my teenage years.

1238
00:56:15,095 --> 00:56:17,581
I had tried stand-up once
in my life,

1239
00:56:17,615 --> 00:56:19,548
maybe two years prior
to "Clerks."

1240
00:56:19,583 --> 00:56:22,137
I was like, one day,
I wonder if I could,

1241
00:56:22,171 --> 00:56:24,001
and blah, blah, blah.
I, I think I'm funny,

1242
00:56:24,035 --> 00:56:25,692
people do say I'm funny.

1243
00:56:25,727 --> 00:56:28,039
And so, one day, I went
to an open mic night

1244
00:56:28,074 --> 00:56:30,283
and I told absolutely nobody,

1245
00:56:30,317 --> 00:56:32,423
and when I got off stage,
I was pleased.

1246
00:56:32,458 --> 00:56:35,564
I didn't kill but I was like,
"You did it!"

1247
00:56:36,703 --> 00:56:38,498
One time when we worked
at Quick Stop,

1248
00:56:38,533 --> 00:56:42,260
he asked if I could bring
my guitar to a comedy club

1249
00:56:42,295 --> 00:56:44,746
and play, I believe it was
"More than Words,"

1250
00:56:44,780 --> 00:56:48,059
that Extreme song,
because he had a,

1251
00:56:48,094 --> 00:56:49,647
a song parody
he wanted to sing.

1252
00:56:49,682 --> 00:56:51,994
I could not figure out
what he was even talking about,

1253
00:56:52,029 --> 00:56:55,032
so I didn't know that he had
this, this secret life,

1254
00:56:55,066 --> 00:56:57,034
running off and telling jokes
to strangers.

1255
00:56:57,068 --> 00:56:59,519
I wouldn't have approved.

1256
00:56:59,554 --> 00:57:01,452
- Well, you get up in front
of an audience

1257
00:57:01,487 --> 00:57:03,765
and somebody hands you
a microphone,

1258
00:57:03,799 --> 00:57:07,044
you just got that where Kevin
was slightly stepping forward,

1259
00:57:07,078 --> 00:57:09,564
like, he was comfortable up
there.

1260
00:57:09,598 --> 00:57:12,429
- Over time, I learned the Q&A

1261
00:57:12,463 --> 00:57:15,121
was the second bite at
the apple with the audience.

1262
00:57:15,155 --> 00:57:17,503
I used to go to colleges,
they'd show a movie of mine,

1263
00:57:17,537 --> 00:57:18,849
and then, I'd get up
and talk afterwards,

1264
00:57:18,883 --> 00:57:20,644
for like, an hour.

1265
00:57:20,678 --> 00:57:22,853
And then, I was like,
why are we watching the movies?

1266
00:57:22,887 --> 00:57:24,613
Like, they're here presumably

1267
00:57:24,648 --> 00:57:25,994
because they've seen
the movies and stuff,

1268
00:57:26,028 --> 00:57:28,341
let's do away with the movies,
just do more Q&A.

1269
00:57:29,687 --> 00:57:32,103
The "Evening with Kevin Smith"
DVD,

1270
00:57:32,138 --> 00:57:33,967
it kicked off a personal
series.

1271
00:57:34,002 --> 00:57:36,936
It also put me on the map
as like, a public speaker.

1272
00:57:36,970 --> 00:57:40,526
Suddenly, talking became
something marketable.

1273
00:57:42,389 --> 00:57:44,530
- I loved it.
I loved the humor.

1274
00:57:44,564 --> 00:57:46,497
- Kevin's so cool.

1275
00:57:46,532 --> 00:57:49,120
The stories he tells
are always phenomenal.

1276
00:57:49,155 --> 00:57:51,329
- It's been the greatest
night of my entire life.

1277
00:57:51,364 --> 00:57:54,574
- That was never part of the
plan, talking for a living,

1278
00:57:54,609 --> 00:57:56,852
but it makes sense
that it happened

1279
00:57:56,887 --> 00:57:58,716
the way that it did.

1280
00:57:58,751 --> 00:58:01,478
- He carved his own path
through uh,

1281
00:58:01,512 --> 00:58:03,238
through movie making,

1282
00:58:03,272 --> 00:58:05,689
in a way that I don't think
was possible when he started.

1283
00:58:11,349 --> 00:58:14,560
The movies are a conduit
to this moment.

1284
00:58:14,594 --> 00:58:17,494
It's the audience telling me
that I did a good job,

1285
00:58:17,528 --> 00:58:20,048
and they'd put my,
my work up on the fridge

1286
00:58:20,082 --> 00:58:21,912
with a couple magnets.

1287
00:58:24,604 --> 00:58:26,261
George Carlin was the guy

1288
00:58:26,295 --> 00:58:28,505
I most wanted to be
when I grew up.

1289
00:58:28,539 --> 00:58:31,266
I wanna be smart, and funny,
and curse a lot.

1290
00:58:31,300 --> 00:58:32,923
Like, that seems amazing.

1291
00:58:32,957 --> 00:58:34,925
What a great person to be.

1292
00:58:34,959 --> 00:58:36,651
He's so brutally honest.

1293
00:58:36,685 --> 00:58:39,067
He wears his fuckin' truth
on his sleeve.

1294
00:58:39,101 --> 00:58:41,069
- What's this documentary for?
Are you gonna do a making of?

1295
00:58:41,103 --> 00:58:42,795
- Making of, yeah.

1296
00:58:42,829 --> 00:58:44,521
- And then you're gonna do a
making of the documentary.

1297
00:58:44,555 --> 00:58:45,867
Isn't there another guy
with a camera?

1298
00:58:45,901 --> 00:58:47,765
There's somebody following him.
- Good.

1299
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:49,629
- You gotta have that bullshit.
- He was the first person

1300
00:58:49,664 --> 00:58:51,528
who was allowed to curse
in my house.

1301
00:58:51,562 --> 00:58:53,115
So, I wasn't supposed
to listen to George Carlin,

1302
00:58:53,150 --> 00:58:55,221
but it was a cool thing
for a dad to give his son,

1303
00:58:55,255 --> 00:58:57,188
you know, sometimes you see
in movies,

1304
00:58:57,223 --> 00:59:00,019
like they share a beer and shit,
that, that was Dad going,

1305
00:59:00,053 --> 00:59:02,677
you can handle this,
just don't tell your mother.

1306
00:59:02,711 --> 00:59:05,990
And so, getting to work
with him, you know,

1307
00:59:06,025 --> 00:59:08,165
I did it on "Dogma"
and it was fun,

1308
00:59:08,199 --> 00:59:10,201
and I got to hang out
with him and shit,

1309
00:59:10,236 --> 00:59:11,789
you know, that was one thing,

1310
00:59:11,824 --> 00:59:13,377
but to do it on "Jersey Girl"

1311
00:59:13,411 --> 00:59:14,965
and spend all that time
with him.

1312
00:59:14,999 --> 00:59:17,174
To like, give him a meaty role,

1313
00:59:17,208 --> 00:59:19,038
that like, he could really
fuckin' like,

1314
00:59:19,072 --> 00:59:20,971
show people what he could do.

1315
00:59:21,005 --> 00:59:23,594
That was cool, that was like,
payback for like,

1316
00:59:23,629 --> 00:59:25,458
you know,
you showed me a way to be.

1317
00:59:25,492 --> 00:59:27,840
I stand up stages
after the movie's done

1318
00:59:27,874 --> 00:59:31,602
and I try to be funny
because of what you did.

1319
00:59:31,637 --> 00:59:34,950
So, thank you,
here's a movie role,

1320
00:59:34,985 --> 00:59:36,607
that for some reason,
I know you'd wanna play.

1321
00:59:36,642 --> 00:59:38,022
And he did.

1322
00:59:38,057 --> 00:59:40,956
Something more than
just jokes to do.

1323
00:59:40,991 --> 00:59:43,269
I got to hang out with him
on "Jersey Girl."

1324
00:59:43,303 --> 00:59:45,616
Like, that was the best use
of my time that I could imagine.

1325
00:59:46,686 --> 00:59:48,585
- Kevin loves to push,

1326
00:59:48,619 --> 00:59:50,276
and he loves to forge
new territory,

1327
00:59:50,310 --> 00:59:52,071
and he likes to see
where the edges are.

1328
00:59:52,105 --> 00:59:53,831
- Excuse me.

1329
00:59:56,109 --> 00:59:58,733
If we took all that stuff,
you know,

1330
00:59:58,767 --> 01:00:00,942
which essentially did in
"Jersey Girl."

1331
01:00:00,976 --> 01:00:02,840
For him, it might've been
the challenge

1332
01:00:02,875 --> 01:00:05,084
of making that movie
was to do it without that.

1333
01:00:05,118 --> 01:00:07,051
- Hmm.

1334
01:00:12,229 --> 01:00:14,438
Some people think "Jersey Girl"
is the one that broke me.

1335
01:00:16,233 --> 01:00:19,546
You know the one that made me
what I am today, and stuff.

1336
01:00:19,581 --> 01:00:22,584
Um, because people didn't
embrace it the way

1337
01:00:22,619 --> 01:00:24,482
I wanted them to, or something.

1338
01:00:24,517 --> 01:00:28,245
It was the movie that was
supposed to do very well.

1339
01:00:28,279 --> 01:00:31,593
It was designed to be
that kind of movie

1340
01:00:32,594 --> 01:00:34,941
that everybody enjoys.

1341
01:00:34,976 --> 01:00:36,943
You know,
the first Kevin Smith movie

1342
01:00:36,978 --> 01:00:39,705
that wasn't a Kevin Smith movie.

1343
01:00:39,739 --> 01:00:41,465
How do you fuckin' sell that?

1344
01:00:43,260 --> 01:00:45,296
I wrote the script
for "Jersey Girl"

1345
01:00:45,331 --> 01:00:47,091
and I gave it to Jen to read,

1346
01:00:47,126 --> 01:00:49,784
and you know, I was like,
"This is my valentine to you."

1347
01:00:52,752 --> 01:00:54,892
- Fucking kills off the wife,
in like, you know,

1348
01:00:54,927 --> 01:00:56,963
the first 10 minutes.
I'm like, am I supposed to

1349
01:00:56,998 --> 01:00:59,379
take this as a compliment
of some sort?

1350
01:00:59,414 --> 01:01:02,003
Narrator: Oliver Trinke
was on his way to the top,

1351
01:01:02,037 --> 01:01:04,799
'til everything changed.
-

1352
01:01:04,833 --> 01:01:06,386
- "Jersey Girl," I enjoyed
this film very much.

1353
01:01:06,421 --> 01:01:08,009
- Thank you.
- It's very sweet.

1354
01:01:08,043 --> 01:01:10,701
It's Ben Affleck, and of course,
Jennifer Lopez is in it.

1355
01:01:10,736 --> 01:01:12,496
- Jennifer Lopez, as well.

1356
01:01:12,530 --> 01:01:14,360
- Now, you must have been going
nuts when "Gigli" came out.

1357
01:01:14,394 --> 01:01:16,293
You had the next film
with them in it.

1358
01:01:16,327 --> 01:01:18,364
Were you just going, "Oh, my
God, I'm gonna shoot myself!"

1359
01:01:18,398 --> 01:01:20,607
- I'm sorry, what movie now?
-

1360
01:01:20,642 --> 01:01:23,645
- We got hit a little bit
by the blowback of Bennifer,

1361
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:25,751
and so, that became not
just like,

1362
01:01:25,785 --> 01:01:27,925
oh, they're famous people,
but like,

1363
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:29,582
people lost their shit.

1364
01:01:29,616 --> 01:01:31,722
Reporter: In 2002,

1365
01:01:31,757 --> 01:01:34,691
the twosome dubbed Bennifer,
exploded.

1366
01:01:34,725 --> 01:01:36,554
- Paparazzi would pop out
of like,

1367
01:01:36,589 --> 01:01:38,764
the bushes and shit like that,
and get right up.

1368
01:01:38,798 --> 01:01:40,248
They were in a horse
and carriage,

1369
01:01:40,282 --> 01:01:42,008
and just, bam, bam, bam, bam,
bam, bam.

1370
01:01:42,043 --> 01:01:44,321
- With Ben and Jennifer,
and all the publicity

1371
01:01:44,355 --> 01:01:46,288
and all the rest of it
flying around it,

1372
01:01:46,323 --> 01:01:48,774
it became really distracting
to the, to the process.

1373
01:01:48,808 --> 01:01:50,845
- Nobody wants to see it
because they think

1374
01:01:50,879 --> 01:01:53,468
it's the same thing as "Gigli"
and Kevin,

1375
01:01:53,502 --> 01:01:56,782
he began to make all these
self-deprecating jokes.

1376
01:01:56,816 --> 01:01:59,577
- Might've heard already, she
dies very early on in the movie.

1377
01:01:59,612 --> 01:02:02,201
- Okay, so Ben plays a widower.
- Ben plays a widower,

1378
01:02:02,235 --> 01:02:04,341
and uh, it was something
we tried to keep very quiet

1379
01:02:04,375 --> 01:02:06,136
for a long time.
And then, after "Gigli"

1380
01:02:06,170 --> 01:02:08,000
you know, it became
a marketing hook where,

1381
01:02:08,034 --> 01:02:10,140
we almost wanted to write it
on the poster, you know.

1382
01:02:11,935 --> 01:02:13,902
"Jersey Girl" don't worry,
she's dead in the first 15.

1383
01:02:15,179 --> 01:02:18,079
- That angel girl, Raquel,
so good,

1384
01:02:18,113 --> 01:02:20,875
so perfectly cast,
just genius.

1385
01:02:20,909 --> 01:02:22,669
- Your name is Raquel Castro?
- Yes.

1386
01:02:22,704 --> 01:02:24,637
You are the Jersey Girl
of "Jersey Girl?"

1387
01:02:24,671 --> 01:02:26,535
- Yes.
I was like, this little like,

1388
01:02:26,570 --> 01:02:28,848
tiny Puerto Rican-Italian
seven-year-old that like,

1389
01:02:28,883 --> 01:02:31,782
told everybody what to do,
'cause Kevin would be smoking,

1390
01:02:31,817 --> 01:02:33,750
uh, Ben would be smoking,

1391
01:02:33,784 --> 01:02:35,372
George would be cursing,

1392
01:02:35,406 --> 01:02:36,891
and I'd be yelling at them all.

1393
01:02:36,925 --> 01:02:39,272
- First movie you've
ever been in?
- Yes.

1394
01:02:39,307 --> 01:02:41,481
I'll never forget
the quality of work

1395
01:02:41,516 --> 01:02:44,277
that I got to do with him,
it's irreplaceable.

1396
01:02:44,312 --> 01:02:48,350
- Who could dislike that movie
that was a little valentine

1397
01:02:48,385 --> 01:02:50,732
about father-daughter love?

1398
01:02:50,767 --> 01:02:52,769
- I wish it had done better
because I-I wonder

1399
01:02:52,803 --> 01:02:55,426
what other avenues
he would've made,

1400
01:02:55,461 --> 01:02:57,912
because it seemed to kinda like,

1401
01:02:57,946 --> 01:03:00,155
okay, I'm not doing anything
like that, ever again.

1402
01:03:00,190 --> 01:03:02,226
- Before we started making
"Jersey Girl"

1403
01:03:02,261 --> 01:03:04,470
or in the middle of it, we'd
been working pretty non-stop,

1404
01:03:04,504 --> 01:03:07,162
and I was like, I'm gonna take
a year off and go travel.

1405
01:03:07,197 --> 01:03:09,613
It was a good break for me.

1406
01:03:09,647 --> 01:03:11,788
And then he brought up
the sequel.

1407
01:03:16,862 --> 01:03:19,002
When he brought it up
at first, I was like,

1408
01:03:19,036 --> 01:03:20,935
I was like,
what's that gonna be?

1409
01:03:20,969 --> 01:03:22,281
Like, how do you make,
you know?

1410
01:03:22,315 --> 01:03:24,559
It's not like "Lethal Weapon"
and someone's like,

1411
01:03:24,593 --> 01:03:26,354
"We're gonna make 'Lethal
Weapon 2.'" You're like,

1412
01:03:26,388 --> 01:03:28,321
"Well, what the fuck's
that gonna be?"

1413
01:03:28,356 --> 01:03:30,185
And then I read the script
and I really liked it.

1414
01:03:30,220 --> 01:03:32,187
- "Clerks II" is my favorite
movie of mine

1415
01:03:32,222 --> 01:03:33,948
that I've ever made, um,

1416
01:03:33,982 --> 01:03:37,330
because I loved the journey
that the characters go on.

1417
01:03:37,365 --> 01:03:40,057
- Where "Clerks II" succeeds is
by trying to be its own thing.

1418
01:03:40,092 --> 01:03:41,610
Day 1.

1419
01:03:41,645 --> 01:03:43,060
- This is Day 1.

1420
01:03:46,719 --> 01:03:48,548
The cool thing is Kevin
always writes

1421
01:03:48,583 --> 01:03:50,999
to the newer version of Jay.

1422
01:03:51,034 --> 01:03:53,381
He got a little less obnoxious.

1423
01:03:54,554 --> 01:03:56,211
Where I was younger,

1424
01:03:56,246 --> 01:03:58,282
I used to get myself in trouble
all the time.

1425
01:03:58,317 --> 01:04:00,215
Like, I'd pull my ball bag out,
and someone would be like,

1426
01:04:00,250 --> 01:04:03,805
"What are you doin?"
Now, it's like, I'd be like,

1427
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:06,187
"Oh, this guy doesn't
wanna see my ball bag."

1428
01:04:10,847 --> 01:04:14,333
- We lived at a very
inexpensive Days Inn motel

1429
01:04:14,367 --> 01:04:16,473
that was right next to the set.

1430
01:04:16,507 --> 01:04:18,406
- We went from room to room.

1431
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:20,546
Toilet papered Jay's room,
he got real mad.

1432
01:04:20,580 --> 01:04:22,686
Lots and lots of fun.

1433
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:25,275
- It was a really fun movie
to make. It was really fun.

1434
01:04:25,309 --> 01:04:28,002
- That was pure joy.

1435
01:04:28,036 --> 01:04:30,038
I loved making "Clerks II."

1436
01:04:30,073 --> 01:04:32,627
I wish they could all be
like "Clerks II."

1437
01:04:39,254 --> 01:04:41,739
That's picture wrap
on "Clerks II!"

1438
01:04:44,570 --> 01:04:47,504
My favorite moment that
I've ever put on film,

1439
01:04:47,538 --> 01:04:50,265
and the one that's kind
of the most telling

1440
01:04:50,300 --> 01:04:52,543
and the one that means
the most to me,

1441
01:04:52,578 --> 01:04:54,545
is in ""Clerks II"

1442
01:04:54,580 --> 01:04:57,410
where I learned who I was
through the art,

1443
01:04:57,445 --> 01:04:59,274
and that's what
you're supposed to do.

1444
01:04:59,309 --> 01:05:02,174
Dante and Randall are in jail,
and he says like,

1445
01:05:02,208 --> 01:05:04,901
"What would the great
Randall Graves do,

1446
01:05:04,935 --> 01:05:08,180
if he was the master
of his own destiny?"

1447
01:05:08,214 --> 01:05:10,285
He gets right
in his fuckin' face,

1448
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:12,149
all defiant as fuck,
and he goes,

1449
01:05:12,184 --> 01:05:15,118
"I'd buy the Quick Stop
and reopen it myself!"

1450
01:05:17,396 --> 01:05:20,261
- And he, in that moment,
is laid naked and bare.

1451
01:05:20,295 --> 01:05:23,333
The character who has um,
worn on his sleeve

1452
01:05:23,367 --> 01:05:25,335
this entire journey.

1453
01:05:25,369 --> 01:05:27,820
His cynicism,

1454
01:05:27,854 --> 01:05:30,478
his disappointment
with the world.

1455
01:05:30,512 --> 01:05:34,206
For one magic moment,
shows you his fuckin' heart

1456
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:36,346
and shows it to the guy
least likely.

1457
01:05:38,072 --> 01:05:39,314
It changes everything.

1458
01:05:39,349 --> 01:05:41,213
That scene is a fucking
metaphor.

1459
01:05:41,247 --> 01:05:43,732
That scene tells the story
of my life.

1460
01:05:43,767 --> 01:05:45,907
The day I realized that like,

1461
01:05:45,942 --> 01:05:49,221
you can just buy the Quick Stop
and reopen it yourself,

1462
01:05:50,256 --> 01:05:51,982
that's how you'd be happiest.

1463
01:05:52,017 --> 01:05:53,604
That was me going like,

1464
01:05:53,639 --> 01:05:55,330
"I'm never going to be

1465
01:05:55,365 --> 01:05:57,850
who other cats
would like me to be."

1466
01:05:59,127 --> 01:06:02,579
The only reason that you
liked me in the first place

1467
01:06:02,613 --> 01:06:04,995
is because I was me.

1468
01:06:05,030 --> 01:06:07,204
So, I'm gonna go and be me

1469
01:06:07,239 --> 01:06:09,206
for the rest of my life now.

1470
01:06:12,485 --> 01:06:14,591
- Yeah!

1471
01:06:28,191 --> 01:06:31,228
- There was "Clerks II"
which was, what I like to call,

1472
01:06:31,263 --> 01:06:33,023
the last good time,

1473
01:06:33,058 --> 01:06:35,646
and then "Zack and Miri"
which was a much harder shoot.

1474
01:06:41,411 --> 01:06:43,516
- It was a very tough shoot,
"Zack and Miri."

1475
01:06:43,551 --> 01:06:45,829
I blame the winter,

1476
01:06:45,863 --> 01:06:48,728
at the top of the things that
went wrong in Pittsburgh.

1477
01:06:48,763 --> 01:06:50,696
- Fightin' the weather
a little bit.

1478
01:06:50,730 --> 01:06:52,491
We want it to look really cold.

1479
01:06:52,525 --> 01:06:55,252
You can see my breath right now,
so everybody assumes it is.

1480
01:06:55,287 --> 01:06:57,979
- "Zack and Miri Make a Porno,"

1481
01:06:58,014 --> 01:06:59,463
that was me going, oh shit,

1482
01:06:59,498 --> 01:07:01,500
Apatow movies are making movies
and Apatow movies

1483
01:07:01,534 --> 01:07:03,950
are Kevin Smith movies
that are well made.

1484
01:07:03,985 --> 01:07:07,678
So, maybe I can go back and
make a Kevin Smith movie,

1485
01:07:07,713 --> 01:07:10,440
now that Judd Apatow
has made that popular.

1486
01:07:10,474 --> 01:07:12,062
- Apatow had,

1487
01:07:13,581 --> 01:07:16,446
you know, monetized
and mainstreamed,

1488
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:19,414
you know, whatever the Kevin
Smith breakthrough had been.

1489
01:07:19,449 --> 01:07:22,141
- I think "Zack and Miri" is
very representative of him,

1490
01:07:22,176 --> 01:07:24,074
because it's like,
this is a movie about a bunch

1491
01:07:24,109 --> 01:07:27,319
of fucking blue collar people
in Pittsburgh, shooting pornos.

1492
01:07:27,353 --> 01:07:30,080
It has this deep,
romantic love story,

1493
01:07:30,115 --> 01:07:31,737
and then there's somebody like,

1494
01:07:31,771 --> 01:07:33,877
taking a face full
of fucking shit.

1495
01:07:35,051 --> 01:07:36,742
- "Zack and Miri" worked out,

1496
01:07:36,776 --> 01:07:38,882
it just didn't work out
the way I had hoped.

1497
01:07:38,916 --> 01:07:40,987
I was told like, this is it,

1498
01:07:41,022 --> 01:07:42,713
this is the one that makes
a hundred million bucks.

1499
01:07:42,748 --> 01:07:44,991
- I am bummed out that that
movie didn't do as well,

1500
01:07:45,026 --> 01:07:47,856
because I think it deserved
to do better.

1501
01:07:47,891 --> 01:07:49,893
- The notion of "Zack and Miri"

1502
01:07:49,927 --> 01:07:51,688
not making a hundred million
bucks,

1503
01:07:51,722 --> 01:07:53,897
when I had the guy
from "Knocked Up,"

1504
01:07:53,931 --> 01:07:56,141
who just, you know, that made
over a hundred million bucks,

1505
01:07:56,175 --> 01:07:57,659
or more.

1506
01:07:57,694 --> 01:07:59,799
Um, that, that killed.

1507
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:02,837
That might've broken my brain.

1508
01:08:08,912 --> 01:08:11,535
My midlife crisis kicked in,
I think, at that point.

1509
01:08:11,570 --> 01:08:14,297
Seth Rogan,
he was fucking fantastic.

1510
01:08:14,331 --> 01:08:16,230
I'll never regret anything
I've ever made,

1511
01:08:16,264 --> 01:08:18,266
but I'll especially never
regret "Zack and Miri"

1512
01:08:18,301 --> 01:08:20,579
because just sitting on set

1513
01:08:20,613 --> 01:08:23,099
and watching him work
was so much fucking fun.

1514
01:08:25,894 --> 01:08:29,174
- I was pissed that Seth Rogan
introduced him to pot.

1515
01:08:29,208 --> 01:08:31,314
I was like, "Fuck!

1516
01:08:31,348 --> 01:08:33,039
What did you do that for?

1517
01:08:34,006 --> 01:08:36,042
Mother--"

1518
01:08:36,077 --> 01:08:37,941
You know, because I thought
that it was gonna hurt

1519
01:08:37,975 --> 01:08:39,770
Kevin's writing.

1520
01:08:43,395 --> 01:08:45,397
- Wake up in the morning,

1521
01:08:46,536 --> 01:08:48,607
put a little shake
on that plate,

1522
01:08:48,641 --> 01:08:51,782
then it's, it's shake and bake,
my friend. Like...

1523
01:08:58,410 --> 01:08:59,894
Oh, yeah! Oh, yeah!

1524
01:09:03,035 --> 01:09:04,864
Let's take on the world, man.

1525
01:09:04,899 --> 01:09:07,591
Man: He's been stoned
every day since 2008.

1526
01:09:07,626 --> 01:09:10,111
Every day since 2008.
- That can't be possible.

1527
01:09:10,146 --> 01:09:12,182
- That's absolutely true.
That can't be possible.

1528
01:09:12,217 --> 01:09:14,115
- I see the--
- Nobody does the same thing

1529
01:09:14,150 --> 01:09:16,876
every day, for 10 years.
Nobody.

1530
01:09:17,843 --> 01:09:20,017
This isn't like,
we're not like,

1531
01:09:20,052 --> 01:09:21,571
not staging an intervention
via video, are we?

1532
01:09:23,607 --> 01:09:25,989
- Here's the thing, you know,

1533
01:09:26,023 --> 01:09:28,336
I'll, I guess,
I'll always wonder,

1534
01:09:28,371 --> 01:09:30,752
and I don't need an answer,

1535
01:09:30,787 --> 01:09:33,790
so if you figure it out,
don't tell me.

1536
01:09:35,067 --> 01:09:37,034
Um, was weed a help,

1537
01:09:38,312 --> 01:09:39,934
or did weed hurt

1538
01:09:41,073 --> 01:09:43,972
these last few years
of my career?

1539
01:09:44,007 --> 01:09:46,665
Uh, you'll find no shortage
of people on the internet

1540
01:09:46,699 --> 01:09:49,875
that will point to weed as like
where they lost interest.

1541
01:09:49,909 --> 01:09:51,980
But here's what I always
ask myself,

1542
01:09:52,015 --> 01:09:54,431
"How much did you do in
the first half of your career?

1543
01:09:54,466 --> 01:09:57,676
Like, you made movies and
you wrote some comic books.

1544
01:09:57,710 --> 01:10:00,472
What have you done in the
second half of your career?"

1545
01:10:00,506 --> 01:10:02,474
And it's all over
the fucking map,

1546
01:10:02,508 --> 01:10:04,855
and it's me doing everything
that I've never

1547
01:10:04,890 --> 01:10:06,616
imagined I'd wind up doing,

1548
01:10:06,650 --> 01:10:08,411
and stuff like that.

1549
01:10:08,445 --> 01:10:10,861
And that, you know,
from "Zack and Miri" forward,

1550
01:10:12,346 --> 01:10:14,865
weed has been a factor
in all of that.

1551
01:10:14,900 --> 01:10:16,764
That one hurt the most

1552
01:10:16,798 --> 01:10:20,008
of, of anything that didn't
live up to an expectation.

1553
01:10:20,043 --> 01:10:22,666
Broke me so much
that the next movie,

1554
01:10:22,701 --> 01:10:24,565
I was open to suggestion

1555
01:10:24,599 --> 01:10:26,981
and I wound up directing
somebody else's script

1556
01:10:27,015 --> 01:10:29,190
at, at Warner Brothers.
I wound up doing "Cop Out."

1557
01:10:29,225 --> 01:10:31,675
And so, as a cure for,
you know,

1558
01:10:31,710 --> 01:10:33,643
my near nervous breakdown

1559
01:10:33,677 --> 01:10:35,955
at the failure
of "Zack and Miri"

1560
01:10:35,990 --> 01:10:38,924
I got the, you know,
cure all of Bruce Willis.

1561
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:45,862
There was a period where like,
it was, those were dark days.

1562
01:10:47,001 --> 01:10:49,072
Very dark days.

1563
01:10:52,869 --> 01:10:55,009
- After "Zack and Miri
Make a Porno"

1564
01:10:55,043 --> 01:10:58,840
I... I take another hiatus.

1565
01:10:59,910 --> 01:11:01,981
I just think I need to try
some stuff, you know,

1566
01:11:02,016 --> 01:11:04,605
like, writing and directing.

1567
01:11:04,639 --> 01:11:06,676
- Scott didn't go
to Vancouver Film School

1568
01:11:06,710 --> 01:11:08,678
looking to be my producer,

1569
01:11:08,712 --> 01:11:10,680
he wanted to be a filmmaker
himself.

1570
01:11:10,714 --> 01:11:12,647
And then, instead, spent like,

1571
01:11:12,682 --> 01:11:16,651
a good part of his 20's
and 30's making my stuff.

1572
01:11:17,790 --> 01:11:19,758
- Kevin was more driven
than I was,

1573
01:11:19,792 --> 01:11:22,105
especially in those early,
early years.

1574
01:11:22,139 --> 01:11:24,349
You know, did "Clerks"
and then "Mallrats,"

1575
01:11:24,383 --> 01:11:25,764
and then with "Chasing Amy"
it was like,

1576
01:11:25,798 --> 01:11:28,905
there was thing of like,
he, he wasn't gonna stop.

1577
01:11:28,939 --> 01:11:31,321
- "Chasing Amy" we were sitting
in the editing room.

1578
01:11:31,356 --> 01:11:33,323
Scott goes like, you know,

1579
01:11:33,358 --> 01:11:37,327
"I think after this movie,
I'm gonna get out of film."

1580
01:11:37,362 --> 01:11:39,640
And I'm like, "What?!"

1581
01:11:39,674 --> 01:11:42,021
- I get so drained at the end
of the movies sometime

1582
01:11:42,056 --> 01:11:44,196
that I would just be really
emotional, and I was like,

1583
01:11:44,230 --> 01:11:45,715
I can't do this anymore.

1584
01:11:45,749 --> 01:11:47,475
- It broke my heart
because I'm like,

1585
01:11:47,510 --> 01:11:50,029
what, I couldn't do this
without you.

1586
01:11:50,064 --> 01:11:52,929
You know, fucking Scott
was my everything, my battery.

1587
01:11:54,137 --> 01:11:55,897
He dreamed my dreams for me.

1588
01:11:55,932 --> 01:11:57,692
That's the most beautiful thing

1589
01:11:57,727 --> 01:11:59,625
that anyone could do
for another human being,

1590
01:11:59,660 --> 01:12:02,041
and he did it while putting
his to the side.

1591
01:12:05,769 --> 01:12:07,633
At a certain point,
I had to be like,

1592
01:12:07,668 --> 01:12:10,636
you know,
Scott needs to be Scott

1593
01:12:10,671 --> 01:12:12,397
and do what Scott wanted to,

1594
01:12:12,431 --> 01:12:13,915
and so, I went from like,

1595
01:12:13,950 --> 01:12:17,333
"Scott, we're doing these
things," to giving Scott space.

1596
01:12:18,610 --> 01:12:21,475
- We, we'd go to what we need,

1597
01:12:21,509 --> 01:12:24,547
and I just needed to,
I needed to leave.

1598
01:12:27,135 --> 01:12:29,137
I left and started
writing scripts,

1599
01:12:29,172 --> 01:12:31,416
and started producing
documentaries,

1600
01:12:31,450 --> 01:12:33,556
I started editing
documentaries.

1601
01:12:33,590 --> 01:12:36,317
I had always sort of wanted
to get into animation.

1602
01:12:36,352 --> 01:12:38,077
- Scott kinda went off
on his journey,

1603
01:12:38,112 --> 01:12:39,838
which culminated with him
directing like,

1604
01:12:39,872 --> 01:12:41,805
a billion dollar fucking
cartoon movie.

1605
01:12:43,048 --> 01:12:45,602
- Working with Kevin
gave me that opportunity.

1606
01:12:46,603 --> 01:12:48,778
I got to figure out kinda
what I wanted to do,

1607
01:12:48,812 --> 01:12:51,574
and see the world,

1608
01:12:51,608 --> 01:12:52,885
um, all at the same time.

1609
01:12:56,337 --> 01:12:58,926
- After that, we never made
a movie together again.

1610
01:13:00,617 --> 01:13:02,654
But it didn't seem like

1611
01:13:02,688 --> 01:13:04,656
the end of the world or, or,

1612
01:13:04,690 --> 01:13:06,934
you know, like what the fuck,

1613
01:13:06,968 --> 01:13:08,694
because we had the podcast.

1614
01:13:10,006 --> 01:13:13,112
Before Scott went off,
Smodcast happened,

1615
01:13:13,147 --> 01:13:16,081
and I always like to think
of that as Scott's like,

1616
01:13:16,115 --> 01:13:20,119
last gift before he went off
to be himself.

1617
01:13:21,362 --> 01:13:23,329
Like, we created, you know,
the cocktail baby.

1618
01:13:23,364 --> 01:13:25,608
The thing that will
probably sustain me,

1619
01:13:25,642 --> 01:13:27,748
at least on a personal level,

1620
01:13:27,782 --> 01:13:29,335
for the rest of my life.

1621
01:13:29,370 --> 01:13:30,854
Welcome to Smodcast,
I'm Kevin Smith.

1622
01:13:30,889 --> 01:13:32,511
- Scott Mosier.

1623
01:13:32,546 --> 01:13:35,376
- All right, as established
last week, Scott's back,

1624
01:13:35,411 --> 01:13:37,413
so enough with the fuckin'
ceremony, back to work.

1625
01:13:48,493 --> 01:13:50,115
Here's the part of the story

1626
01:13:50,149 --> 01:13:52,428
where everybody goes, oh.

1627
01:13:53,843 --> 01:13:56,432
All of those movies
were either bought,

1628
01:13:57,743 --> 01:14:00,090
or financed by Harvey Weinstein.

1629
01:14:01,747 --> 01:14:03,439
All I ever knew about him,

1630
01:14:03,473 --> 01:14:05,579
working at Miramax
and the Weinstein Company,

1631
01:14:05,613 --> 01:14:07,684
was he cheated on his wife.

1632
01:14:07,719 --> 01:14:09,479
That was it.

1633
01:14:09,514 --> 01:14:11,447
Everybody seemed to know
he was a philanderer.

1634
01:14:12,517 --> 01:14:14,311
And in the pages
of "The New York Times"

1635
01:14:14,346 --> 01:14:18,039
I learned about a guy
that I had no idea existed,

1636
01:14:18,074 --> 01:14:20,110
at all, whatsoever.

1637
01:14:20,145 --> 01:14:22,009
You know,
if somebody told me like,

1638
01:14:22,043 --> 01:14:23,907
everything that you did

1639
01:14:23,942 --> 01:14:26,151
over the last 25 years
and stuff,

1640
01:14:26,185 --> 01:14:28,912
you're gonna do,
they laid out my next 25 years,

1641
01:14:28,947 --> 01:14:31,812
and they were like,
but in order for that to happen,

1642
01:14:32,847 --> 01:14:34,366
this shit's gonna happen to,

1643
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:36,679
this horrible shit's gonna
happen to other people,

1644
01:14:36,713 --> 01:14:38,750
I wouldn't have taken
the fuckin' journey.

1645
01:14:38,784 --> 01:14:40,372
It's not worth it.

1646
01:14:40,406 --> 01:14:42,339
So, I like,

1647
01:14:42,374 --> 01:14:44,756
gave all my future royalties,

1648
01:14:44,790 --> 01:14:47,310
all my royalties that I get,

1649
01:14:47,344 --> 01:14:49,485
uh, to Women in Film.

1650
01:14:58,908 --> 01:15:01,497
- Come on!

1651
01:15:02,498 --> 01:15:04,465
-

1652
01:15:08,676 --> 01:15:10,333
- You know,

1653
01:15:10,367 --> 01:15:12,784
Meryl Streep
is doing "Mamma Mia!"

1654
01:15:14,579 --> 01:15:17,064
Barbra Streisand is doing
"The Fockers,"

1655
01:15:18,203 --> 01:15:20,239
and I get to "Red State."

1656
01:15:21,620 --> 01:15:23,553
I loved "Red State."

1657
01:15:23,588 --> 01:15:25,279
- God loves you.

1658
01:15:26,729 --> 01:15:28,627
God loves everybody.

1659
01:15:32,389 --> 01:15:34,184
- And he was like,
I'm doing a,

1660
01:15:34,219 --> 01:15:35,807
a religious movie,

1661
01:15:35,841 --> 01:15:37,740
I was just like, "Oh, fuck.

1662
01:15:37,774 --> 01:15:39,604
Oh, it's gonna be 'Dogma'
all over again."

1663
01:15:39,638 --> 01:15:41,502
- You have to take chances.
You know,

1664
01:15:41,537 --> 01:15:43,297
you can't just do the same
thing over and over again.

1665
01:15:43,331 --> 01:15:45,402
- I was really impressed
with "Red State."

1666
01:15:45,437 --> 01:15:47,059
- This was well done.

1667
01:15:48,440 --> 01:15:50,304
- He made a horror film.

1668
01:15:50,338 --> 01:15:53,721
- If you'd seen his films
leading up to that point,

1669
01:15:53,756 --> 01:15:55,378
you wouldn't have seen
that coming.

1670
01:15:55,412 --> 01:15:57,863
- That it was fascinating,
that it was a fascinating turn.

1671
01:15:57,898 --> 01:16:00,694
- I thought he did a great job
at, at building tension,

1672
01:16:00,728 --> 01:16:02,454
and working within that genre,

1673
01:16:02,488 --> 01:16:04,249
and understanding the genre,
and like,

1674
01:16:04,283 --> 01:16:06,838
kind of using it
to surprise the audience

1675
01:16:06,872 --> 01:16:09,392
in terms of disrupt
their expectations.

1676
01:16:09,426 --> 01:16:11,739
The crazy thing about
"Red State"

1677
01:16:11,774 --> 01:16:15,122
was that first screening,
uh, in Park City.

1678
01:16:16,192 --> 01:16:17,883
Reporter: Sundance
controversial director,

1679
01:16:17,918 --> 01:16:19,782
Kevin Smith, made a scene
outside the premiere

1680
01:16:19,816 --> 01:16:22,094
of his new horror film,
"Red State."

1681
01:16:22,129 --> 01:16:24,787
Smith used outrageous signs
to steal attention away

1682
01:16:24,821 --> 01:16:27,617
from a protest by the
Westborough Baptist Church.

1683
01:16:27,652 --> 01:16:30,620
That group is well-known for
picketing military funerals,

1684
01:16:30,655 --> 01:16:33,036
and its extreme
anti-gay message.

1685
01:16:33,071 --> 01:16:36,695
- Protestors and Kevin's uh,

1686
01:16:36,730 --> 01:16:39,629
I think, not-so-great idea,

1687
01:16:39,664 --> 01:16:42,459
to sort of fuck with the,

1688
01:16:42,494 --> 01:16:44,461
the acquisitions uh, world.

1689
01:16:44,496 --> 01:16:46,602
- A lot of people were angry
with kind of, the whole,

1690
01:16:46,636 --> 01:16:48,293
it's you know,
this is for distribution,

1691
01:16:48,327 --> 01:16:50,260
well, I'm gonna distribute
it myself.

1692
01:16:50,295 --> 01:16:53,125
You could feel in the room,
people were pissed off,
you know.

1693
01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:55,611
- It resulted in me standing
on a stage in Sundance,

1694
01:16:55,645 --> 01:16:58,096
and going like,
"Come see an auction!"

1695
01:16:58,130 --> 01:16:59,994
- It was the film
that was for sale

1696
01:17:00,029 --> 01:17:01,893
and everyone was treating it

1697
01:17:01,927 --> 01:17:03,895
like this hot acquisitions
title.

1698
01:17:03,929 --> 01:17:05,897
- And then, when everybody
who could possibly buy it,

1699
01:17:05,931 --> 01:17:07,726
all the business people
were gathered in,

1700
01:17:07,761 --> 01:17:09,486
I was like, "Lock the doors.

1701
01:17:09,521 --> 01:17:11,661
Light it on fire!

1702
01:17:11,696 --> 01:17:14,008
Let's burn this fucker
to the ground!"

1703
01:17:14,043 --> 01:17:15,734
I went crazy a little bit.

1704
01:17:15,769 --> 01:17:18,150
- I'm going to open up
the bidding on "Red State."

1705
01:17:18,185 --> 01:17:20,221
- I bid $20.

1706
01:17:20,256 --> 01:17:22,499
Sold.
- Thank you.

1707
01:17:22,534 --> 01:17:25,502
- Kinda gives them all like,
the fuck you, you know,

1708
01:17:25,537 --> 01:17:27,090
I'm gonna do this on my own.

1709
01:17:27,125 --> 01:17:28,989
- Smodcast Pictures
is gonna take

1710
01:17:29,023 --> 01:17:30,991
"Red State" out on the road.

1711
01:17:31,025 --> 01:17:32,717
Uh, just kinda the way

1712
01:17:32,751 --> 01:17:34,753
that they used to do
with the movies.

1713
01:17:34,788 --> 01:17:36,686
Like, "Gone with the Wind"
would go play somewhere

1714
01:17:36,721 --> 01:17:38,895
for a week, a month,
pack up, go someplace else,

1715
01:17:38,930 --> 01:17:40,586
play it there, as well.

1716
01:17:40,621 --> 01:17:42,174
Pack up, leave. "Roadshow."

1717
01:17:42,209 --> 01:17:44,107
We're gonna do the same thing
with "Red State."

1718
01:17:44,142 --> 01:17:46,282
It's called the Red State
USA Tour.

1719
01:17:46,316 --> 01:17:48,525
- I actually love the fact
that he had that idea

1720
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:51,149
to kinda do the distribution
the way he did it,

1721
01:17:51,183 --> 01:17:52,978
with this sort of like,
going around with it.

1722
01:17:53,013 --> 01:17:55,049
- It's pretty great how he did
"Red State" and all of that.

1723
01:17:55,084 --> 01:17:56,810
Just brilliant and wonderful.

1724
01:17:56,844 --> 01:17:59,502
I think that's his best.
I-I love that.

1725
01:17:59,536 --> 01:18:02,401
Besides being a great movie,
also it was just a,

1726
01:18:03,437 --> 01:18:06,612
it wasn't like that kind of uh,
Soderbergh jive

1727
01:18:06,647 --> 01:18:09,857
of this is a new way to put
out a movie, and it isn't.

1728
01:18:09,892 --> 01:18:12,032
You know, a fine movie,

1729
01:18:12,066 --> 01:18:14,586
but I think the way Kevin
does it really is different.

1730
01:18:16,346 --> 01:18:18,797
- So, I rented a bus
and I went to do some gigs,

1731
01:18:18,832 --> 01:18:21,662
Q&A gigs, and I loved it!

1732
01:18:21,697 --> 01:18:23,250
I was alone on the bus, though.

1733
01:18:23,284 --> 01:18:24,872
I was like,
this would be so much better

1734
01:18:24,907 --> 01:18:26,771
if I was hanging out with Scott.

1735
01:18:26,805 --> 01:18:28,462
Like, if me and Scott had
a band,

1736
01:18:28,496 --> 01:18:30,222
and we were like,
The Partridge Family.

1737
01:18:39,473 --> 01:18:40,992
- It was kinda cool.

1738
01:18:41,026 --> 01:18:42,994
We got on a bus and did
the first Smodcast tour.

1739
01:18:43,028 --> 01:18:45,444
After doing Smodcast for like,
two fuckin' years.

1740
01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:47,101
From the jump, it was just,

1741
01:18:47,136 --> 01:18:48,862
let's just fuckin'
have the conversations

1742
01:18:48,896 --> 01:18:50,898
that we always fuckin' have
in the car,

1743
01:18:50,933 --> 01:18:52,451
or fuckin' while we're doing
this,

1744
01:18:52,486 --> 01:18:54,453
or while we were fucking
hanging out in film school,

1745
01:18:54,488 --> 01:18:56,007
let's just put a microphone
on it.

1746
01:18:56,041 --> 01:18:58,699
And that was revolutionary,
at least for me,

1747
01:18:58,734 --> 01:19:01,529
because nobody-nobody
ever tells you

1748
01:19:01,564 --> 01:19:03,600
to hold on to somebody's voice.

1749
01:19:04,774 --> 01:19:07,743
My father's voice,
I don't quite have anymore.

1750
01:19:07,777 --> 01:19:10,228
It's been, what,
13, 14, 15 years

1751
01:19:10,262 --> 01:19:11,954
since he's been gone.

1752
01:19:11,988 --> 01:19:13,818
You wanna get to the essence
of a human being,

1753
01:19:13,852 --> 01:19:15,405
core of who they are?

1754
01:19:15,440 --> 01:19:16,959
You wanna understand
who they were,

1755
01:19:16,993 --> 01:19:18,788
if they're no longer here
anymore?

1756
01:19:18,823 --> 01:19:21,170
Listen to a conversation
they have.

1757
01:19:21,204 --> 01:19:23,620
Uh, that's what it is.
We just put conversate--

1758
01:19:23,655 --> 01:19:25,450
mics on the conversations.

1759
01:19:25,484 --> 01:19:27,832
We used to live in a world
where technology was expensive,

1760
01:19:27,866 --> 01:19:30,041
so the idea of like,
I'm gonna rent out a studio

1761
01:19:30,075 --> 01:19:32,768
and just talk to myself,
of course, that seems lunacy.

1762
01:19:32,802 --> 01:19:34,666
But you know we don't live
in that world anymore.

1763
01:19:34,700 --> 01:19:36,530
You can literally open this up,

1764
01:19:36,564 --> 01:19:38,808
and there's your fuckin'
studio.

1765
01:19:38,843 --> 01:19:41,086
It helped that I had
the movies, though,

1766
01:19:41,121 --> 01:19:42,950
because it's one thing
to talk the talk,

1767
01:19:42,985 --> 01:19:45,504
but clearly,
I could walk the walk.

1768
01:19:45,539 --> 01:19:47,299
And whether or not
you liked the movies,

1769
01:19:47,334 --> 01:19:50,302
it's like, you couldn't deny,
he made movies,

1770
01:19:50,337 --> 01:19:52,373
and they had movie stars in 'em,
and they had budgets,

1771
01:19:52,408 --> 01:19:54,065
and they played in movie
theaters,

1772
01:19:54,099 --> 01:19:55,514
and stuff like that.

1773
01:19:55,549 --> 01:19:57,516
So, that was good
for everything else.

1774
01:19:57,551 --> 01:19:59,484
Like on "Fatman on Batman,"
the podcast,

1775
01:19:59,518 --> 01:20:01,451
I just talk about like,
oh, I saw "The Avengers".

1776
01:20:05,973 --> 01:20:08,079
- For the first year
of the podcast,

1777
01:20:08,113 --> 01:20:09,528
it was audio only.

1778
01:20:09,563 --> 01:20:11,807
It was, it was my voice
and Kevin's voice,

1779
01:20:11,841 --> 01:20:14,810
and nobody knew for better
or worse,

1780
01:20:14,844 --> 01:20:16,328
who I was, where I came from,

1781
01:20:16,363 --> 01:20:18,261
or what I looked like.

1782
01:20:18,296 --> 01:20:20,194
And so, Kev's fan base,

1783
01:20:20,229 --> 01:20:23,197
while almost entirely made
of lovely, lovely people,

1784
01:20:23,232 --> 01:20:26,891
are do not, by and large,
look like me.

1785
01:20:26,925 --> 01:20:28,651
And so, then when we put
cameras up,

1786
01:20:28,685 --> 01:20:31,033
there was like,
a half beat of like,

1787
01:20:31,067 --> 01:20:32,482
three or four weeks,
where it was like,

1788
01:20:32,517 --> 01:20:35,002
Marc is Black? Huh!

1789
01:20:35,037 --> 01:20:37,004
Now understand why I talk
about things like diversity

1790
01:20:37,039 --> 01:20:38,730
and inclusion,
and they were just like,

1791
01:20:38,764 --> 01:20:40,870
I guess this is a really
woke white guy.

1792
01:20:40,905 --> 01:20:43,493
And for every one person
that's like,

1793
01:20:43,528 --> 01:20:45,806
"I don't care!
Donald Trump forever!"

1794
01:20:45,841 --> 01:20:47,877
There is another 100 people
like, "You know what, dude,

1795
01:20:47,912 --> 01:20:49,637
I just never thought
about it that way.

1796
01:20:49,672 --> 01:20:51,501
I'm, I'm coming to the world
differently

1797
01:20:51,536 --> 01:20:53,020
because we talked."

1798
01:20:53,055 --> 01:20:54,746
And we talked about it
on our recent podcast.

1799
01:20:54,780 --> 01:20:56,610
I'm like, I know you don't
think that you are some

1800
01:20:56,644 --> 01:20:58,301
like beacon for diversity,

1801
01:20:58,336 --> 01:21:01,132
but in the podcast that you do,

1802
01:21:01,166 --> 01:21:02,961
like, you've got me standing
next to you,

1803
01:21:02,996 --> 01:21:05,067
you've got Malcolm standing
next to you,

1804
01:21:05,101 --> 01:21:07,793
you're exposing people
to influences

1805
01:21:07,828 --> 01:21:09,312
they never would have had
ordinarily.

1806
01:21:09,347 --> 01:21:11,073
You're broadening horizons.

1807
01:21:11,107 --> 01:21:13,454
- Whenever I see young people,
I'm always baffled.

1808
01:21:13,489 --> 01:21:15,905
Chances are, it has very little
to do with the old stuff,

1809
01:21:15,940 --> 01:21:18,045
and has everything to do
with the new stuff.

1810
01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:19,702
They're podcast fans.

1811
01:21:19,736 --> 01:21:23,050
I always figure the podcasts
were my way

1812
01:21:23,085 --> 01:21:24,983
to shine a light on the people

1813
01:21:25,018 --> 01:21:26,882
that I thought were like,
talented,

1814
01:21:26,916 --> 01:21:29,539
you know, and never mind me,
here are my fucking friends.

1815
01:21:29,574 --> 01:21:31,334
Here's Brian and Walter.

1816
01:21:34,475 --> 01:21:36,305
- So out of everything
that I've done,

1817
01:21:36,339 --> 01:21:38,617
Tell 'em Steve-Dave is still
my favorite, by far.

1818
01:21:38,652 --> 01:21:40,412
- Doing Tell 'em Steve-Dave

1819
01:21:40,447 --> 01:21:42,690
and turning it into like,
you know, that we made movies,

1820
01:21:42,725 --> 01:21:44,485
and we made albums.

1821
01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:47,661
- When they spun off Tell 'em
Steve-Dave out of Smodcast,

1822
01:21:47,695 --> 01:21:49,663
that made me feel really smart,

1823
01:21:49,697 --> 01:21:51,492
'cause I'm like, right on,

1824
01:21:51,527 --> 01:21:53,356
I knew those boys were funny
and original.

1825
01:21:53,391 --> 01:21:54,979
What I didn't know was

1826
01:21:55,013 --> 01:21:58,499
I was paving the way
for our eventual TV show.

1827
01:21:58,534 --> 01:22:00,225
Without Tell 'em Steve-Dave,

1828
01:22:00,260 --> 01:22:02,503
you don't get
to "Comic Book Men."

1829
01:22:02,538 --> 01:22:04,367
- I had always talked to Kev
about like,

1830
01:22:04,402 --> 01:22:05,990
I would love to run
a comic book store;

1831
01:22:06,024 --> 01:22:07,612
I think it would be,
how awesome would it be

1832
01:22:07,646 --> 01:22:09,855
to go to work every day
and turn the key,

1833
01:22:09,890 --> 01:22:12,410
and for the next seven hours,
just sell comics?

1834
01:22:12,444 --> 01:22:14,791
And I guess that resonated
with him.

1835
01:22:14,826 --> 01:22:16,862
He was like, "I'm gonna buy
that comic book store

1836
01:22:16,897 --> 01:22:18,519
and I want you to run it."

1837
01:22:22,938 --> 01:22:25,906
- This is Jay and Silent Bob's
Secret Stash -

1838
01:22:25,941 --> 01:22:28,909
what I like to think of,
and what I've, many times,

1839
01:22:28,944 --> 01:22:31,843
claimed as the world's most
famous comic book store.

1840
01:22:31,877 --> 01:22:34,121
This place is still thriving.

1841
01:22:34,156 --> 01:22:36,917
Now, it helped that we had
a TV show,

1842
01:22:36,952 --> 01:22:38,677
but the only reason we had
a TV show is

1843
01:22:38,712 --> 01:22:41,749
because Walter built a really
solid, interesting business.

1844
01:22:43,096 --> 01:22:45,857
- This is really the best
decision I ever made.

1845
01:22:48,066 --> 01:22:49,826
- What comes out
of the podcasting

1846
01:22:49,861 --> 01:22:52,519
is endless potential -
the TV show, touring,

1847
01:22:52,553 --> 01:22:54,003
then the hockey.

1848
01:22:54,038 --> 01:22:55,798
You're the new son
of Brantford, now.

1849
01:22:55,832 --> 01:22:58,007
- I know. I wanna see
the Brian Johnson Parkway.

1850
01:22:58,042 --> 01:22:59,698
Fuck this Wayne Gretzky shit.

1851
01:22:59,733 --> 01:23:02,115
- I'm from New Jersey,
that's where I came from

1852
01:23:02,149 --> 01:23:03,806
to get up here this weekend.

1853
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:06,360
We're up in Brantford, Ontario,
playin' hockey.

1854
01:23:17,371 --> 01:23:19,235
- We're in Brantford
for the 12th annual

1855
01:23:19,270 --> 01:23:21,030
Walter Gretzky street
hockey tournament,

1856
01:23:21,065 --> 01:23:23,446
and this is the 10th official
year that the VASHL League

1857
01:23:23,481 --> 01:23:25,241
has been playing in this
tournament.

1858
01:23:25,276 --> 01:23:26,898
VASHL stands for View Askew
Street Hockey League.

1859
01:23:26,932 --> 01:23:28,934
- View Askew Street Hockey
League is a group

1860
01:23:28,969 --> 01:23:30,453
of Kevin Smith fans.

1861
01:23:30,488 --> 01:23:32,973
- It's all around him,
and everything he does,

1862
01:23:33,008 --> 01:23:34,975
that's the basis
of our community.

1863
01:23:35,010 --> 01:23:36,597
He will always be something

1864
01:23:36,632 --> 01:23:39,083
that we build the league
around.

1865
01:23:39,117 --> 01:23:41,947
- We grew now to 14 teams
over the past 10 years.

1866
01:23:41,982 --> 01:23:43,949
We just keep growin'
and growin'.

1867
01:23:48,989 --> 01:23:50,749
- The community has let him do

1868
01:23:50,784 --> 01:23:52,786
most of the things
he's wanted to do,

1869
01:23:52,820 --> 01:23:55,340
because he was able to energize
and tap into that community.

1870
01:23:55,375 --> 01:23:57,411
- If film was the only thing
I did,

1871
01:23:57,446 --> 01:23:59,068
I'd be done,

1872
01:23:59,103 --> 01:24:00,932
I'd be out of this business
a long time ago.

1873
01:24:00,966 --> 01:24:03,003
But because I could do
other things,

1874
01:24:03,038 --> 01:24:05,488
because I could be like well,
I'm gonna go talk for a while.

1875
01:24:05,523 --> 01:24:07,421
- I think that sustained him

1876
01:24:07,456 --> 01:24:09,320
in times when film
had failed him.

1877
01:24:09,354 --> 01:24:11,080
Gonna podcast a lot,
and you know what,

1878
01:24:11,115 --> 01:24:13,393
podcast is leading me
back into movies.

1879
01:24:13,427 --> 01:24:16,016
- If you ask people uh,
who know film

1880
01:24:16,051 --> 01:24:19,157
and know that I've been
a part of the film community,

1881
01:24:19,192 --> 01:24:21,263
they'd probably tell you that

1882
01:24:21,297 --> 01:24:24,645
the earliest work of mine
is the best.

1883
01:24:25,646 --> 01:24:27,786
I wasn't even confident
in my voice at that point.

1884
01:24:27,821 --> 01:24:30,651
It's weird, to me,
now I'm like,

1885
01:24:30,686 --> 01:24:32,998
oh, I'm confident enough
in my voice and my material,

1886
01:24:33,033 --> 01:24:35,277
that even if it's bat shit
fuckin' crazy,

1887
01:24:35,311 --> 01:24:37,693
I'm gonna make it work.
Watch this. "Tusk."

1888
01:24:42,007 --> 01:24:44,113
- My name's Justin Long.
My name's Justin Long.

1889
01:24:44,148 --> 01:24:45,942
I'm Justin Long.
Hi, my name's Justin Long.

1890
01:24:45,977 --> 01:24:47,427
Too casual.

1891
01:24:55,193 --> 01:24:57,299
I get a lot of people who say
versions of this,

1892
01:24:57,333 --> 01:25:00,129
which is like a dude,

1893
01:25:00,164 --> 01:25:02,338
I saw "Tusk." What the fuck?

1894
01:25:08,724 --> 01:25:10,864
- My parents hated that.

1895
01:25:10,898 --> 01:25:13,694
My Mom, she went even beyond
like, don't work with him.

1896
01:25:13,729 --> 01:25:16,145
She was like, don't go near
that guy.

1897
01:25:16,180 --> 01:25:17,871
I did tell Kevin that,
I was like,

1898
01:25:17,905 --> 01:25:20,874
my Mom doesn't want me
hanging out with you.

1899
01:25:20,908 --> 01:25:22,841
We can't play together.

1900
01:25:22,876 --> 01:25:24,843
I'm such a fan of his that
like,

1901
01:25:24,878 --> 01:25:26,845
I-I was, I was like,
I would've done it,

1902
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:29,054
even if it was, as I did.

1903
01:25:32,886 --> 01:25:35,130
I would've done it if it
was a human walrus movie.

1904
01:25:35,164 --> 01:25:37,132
We were talking about it,
and it was great,

1905
01:25:37,166 --> 01:25:38,892
and we were like,
getting into it,

1906
01:25:38,926 --> 01:25:41,826
and getting into the weeds,
and the next day,

1907
01:25:41,860 --> 01:25:43,759
later that night, I was like,

1908
01:25:43,793 --> 01:25:46,141
I have no idea
what we talked about.

1909
01:25:46,175 --> 01:25:47,832
Uh, and what a waste of time.

1910
01:25:47,866 --> 01:25:49,558
It was fun,
but a waste of time,

1911
01:25:49,592 --> 01:25:51,870
because Kevin wasn't writing it
down or recording it.

1912
01:25:51,905 --> 01:25:54,149
And I don't know if it was
the next day, or like,

1913
01:25:54,183 --> 01:25:56,427
maybe two days later,
he sent me a script

1914
01:25:56,461 --> 01:25:58,567
that so like, beautifully,

1915
01:25:59,568 --> 01:26:02,053
so eloquently incorporated all
the things that we talked about

1916
01:26:02,087 --> 01:26:04,849
when we were, I thought,
out of our minds,

1917
01:26:04,883 --> 01:26:06,989
but I guess I was just,
I was the only one out of,

1918
01:26:07,023 --> 01:26:09,267
out of my mind.
Um, and he did it like that.

1919
01:26:09,302 --> 01:26:11,787
People are like, "Well, maybe
you shouldn't have smoked

1920
01:26:11,821 --> 01:26:13,961
when you wrote that movie.

1921
01:26:13,996 --> 01:26:16,171
Maybe next time,
do that sober." Um...

1922
01:26:16,205 --> 01:26:18,345
- You couldn't do that sober.
- You can't, yeah.

1923
01:26:18,380 --> 01:26:20,175
- Some people are like,
"Weed ruined his filmmaking,"

1924
01:26:20,209 --> 01:26:23,039
or whatever. Weed brought me
back to filmmaking.

1925
01:26:23,074 --> 01:26:25,318
I quit like, after "Red State"
I was like, oh, fuck it,

1926
01:26:25,352 --> 01:26:27,216
and took three years off.

1927
01:26:27,251 --> 01:26:29,598
And then it was sittin' around
in this very room

1928
01:26:29,632 --> 01:26:31,876
recording a podcast,

1929
01:26:31,910 --> 01:26:33,947
a ridiculous episode
of Smodcast.

1930
01:26:33,981 --> 01:26:35,673
Smodcast 259.

1931
01:26:35,707 --> 01:26:38,469
And I was kept in companionship
with a walrus,

1932
01:26:38,503 --> 01:26:42,058
whom I named Gregory.

1933
01:26:46,718 --> 01:26:48,237
- Good, good, right.

1934
01:26:48,272 --> 01:26:51,309
- That led to "Tusk"

1935
01:26:51,344 --> 01:26:54,070
what for me, is the defining
moment of my career.

1936
01:26:54,105 --> 01:26:55,727
For most other people
it's just like,

1937
01:26:55,762 --> 01:26:57,591
"Well, that was the beginning
of the end."

1938
01:26:57,626 --> 01:27:00,870
- I tend to go along
with the flow

1939
01:27:00,905 --> 01:27:04,184
because things generally
work out.

1940
01:27:04,219 --> 01:27:06,600
Like, it's sort of a tried
and true method

1941
01:27:06,635 --> 01:27:08,257
where he's like,

1942
01:27:08,292 --> 01:27:10,673
"Okay, well, I'm gonna make
a movie

1943
01:27:10,708 --> 01:27:13,400
about a fuckin' walrus."

1944
01:27:13,435 --> 01:27:14,953
I'm like, "All right."

1945
01:27:14,988 --> 01:27:18,267
- "Tusk" I mean, I love, I mean,
it was just so fuckin' bizarre.

1946
01:27:18,302 --> 01:27:20,096
- It is like the best episode

1947
01:27:20,131 --> 01:27:22,133
of "Tales from the Dark Side"
I've ever seen.

1948
01:27:22,167 --> 01:27:24,377
I was like, I loved it.
How the monster looked.

1949
01:27:24,411 --> 01:27:26,137
Man, I was so into it.

1950
01:27:26,171 --> 01:27:27,897
- It's not for everyone,
but it's,

1951
01:27:27,932 --> 01:27:29,727
but I love that it exists.

1952
01:27:29,761 --> 01:27:32,074
Kevin: Thanks for being here on
day one of "Tusk" everybody.

1953
01:27:33,455 --> 01:27:35,111
"Tusk" to me,

1954
01:27:35,146 --> 01:27:39,323
is the closest I ever came
to doing "Clerks" again.

1955
01:27:39,357 --> 01:27:41,221
I wasn't thinkin'
about like fuckin like,

1956
01:27:41,256 --> 01:27:44,086
oh, my God, what if people
react to this poorly?

1957
01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:45,777
I was just like,
I just gotta see it.

1958
01:27:45,812 --> 01:27:47,572
And that's how "Clerks"
was made.

1959
01:27:47,607 --> 01:27:49,125
- Yeah, the kids here at
the convenience store

1960
01:27:49,160 --> 01:27:51,127
are tellin' me that it's
aboot two hours away.

1961
01:27:51,162 --> 01:27:53,164
- I hate American guys.

1962
01:27:53,198 --> 01:27:54,683
- Ahhhh!

1963
01:27:54,717 --> 01:27:56,788
This is,
she doesn't do this a lot.

1964
01:27:56,823 --> 01:27:58,445
Man: Really?

1965
01:27:58,480 --> 01:28:00,965
- You're really capturing like,
gold right now.

1966
01:28:00,999 --> 01:28:02,622
Man: This is the gold
right now?

1967
01:28:02,656 --> 01:28:04,727
- Hi! Whenever friends come
over, I'm always like,

1968
01:28:04,762 --> 01:28:06,833
uh, before you come in,

1969
01:28:06,867 --> 01:28:08,869
I just want you to know
that this is here,

1970
01:28:08,904 --> 01:28:11,147
uh, prepare yourself.

1971
01:28:12,287 --> 01:28:14,254
I don't know if when I look
at it, I see myself.

1972
01:28:14,289 --> 01:28:15,807
I can't really tell.

1973
01:28:21,365 --> 01:28:23,367
Ladies and gentlemen,

1974
01:28:23,401 --> 01:28:26,266
introducing my Dad,
Kevin Smith.

1975
01:28:49,841 --> 01:28:51,947
- I'm such a fan of Tarantino,

1976
01:28:51,981 --> 01:28:54,536
and when I put that up,
my Dad,

1977
01:28:54,570 --> 01:28:56,572
I felt like he was jealous.

1978
01:28:56,607 --> 01:28:59,437
'Cause he was like,
"You know like 'Clerks'

1979
01:28:59,472 --> 01:29:01,405
came out around that time,
right?"

1980
01:29:01,439 --> 01:29:03,441
It's like, "Do you, do you
want me to put

1981
01:29:03,476 --> 01:29:05,029
a 'Clerks' poster on my wall?

1982
01:29:05,063 --> 01:29:06,548
Like, what do you want from me?

1983
01:29:06,582 --> 01:29:08,550
Like, stop getting jealous."

1984
01:29:08,584 --> 01:29:11,380
So many of the things that
I listen to, or watch,

1985
01:29:11,415 --> 01:29:13,934
or the people I admire were,

1986
01:29:13,969 --> 01:29:16,489
were during that time
that "Clerks" was made.

1987
01:29:18,905 --> 01:29:20,907
- You have never seen "Clerks"
up until now,

1988
01:29:20,941 --> 01:29:22,529
is that correct?
- Never.

1989
01:29:22,564 --> 01:29:23,979
- All right, let's talk
about this movie.

1990
01:29:24,013 --> 01:29:27,327
- So, it was weird to see how
my dad contributed to that time.

1991
01:29:27,362 --> 01:29:29,191
But it was really cool, like--

1992
01:29:29,225 --> 01:29:31,262
I've had so many people
tell me that

1993
01:29:31,296 --> 01:29:33,678
that movie has changed their
life, and I'm always like,

1994
01:29:33,713 --> 01:29:35,335
"Okay, whatever,"

1995
01:29:35,370 --> 01:29:37,648
but then it really makes,
it really makes sense.

1996
01:29:37,682 --> 01:29:40,029
- What's your favorite
of your dad's movies?

1997
01:29:40,064 --> 01:29:42,100
- "Yoga Hosers,"

1998
01:29:42,135 --> 01:29:44,068
I'm gonna say "Yoga Hosers."

1999
01:29:46,381 --> 01:29:48,210
It was like, oh, you wanna act,

2000
01:29:48,244 --> 01:29:50,212
here's a movie written for you.

2001
01:29:50,246 --> 01:29:52,214
That was a really beautiful
thing

2002
01:29:52,248 --> 01:29:54,147
to be able to have
my first lead role

2003
01:29:54,181 --> 01:29:56,356
working with my dad
and my best friend.

2004
01:29:56,391 --> 01:29:58,116
- Warrior Three! Ah!

2005
01:29:59,186 --> 01:30:01,672
- It's like "Clerks" but with
two 15-year-old girls

2006
01:30:01,706 --> 01:30:03,743
and the only difference is that

2007
01:30:03,777 --> 01:30:06,953
basically we found out that
there's a dormant Nazi

2008
01:30:06,987 --> 01:30:10,335
living under our convenience
store,

2009
01:30:10,370 --> 01:30:13,338
and that he has all these
little mini um,

2010
01:30:13,373 --> 01:30:16,169
Nazis made of bratwurst

2011
01:30:16,203 --> 01:30:18,067
that are kind of taking
over our store,

2012
01:30:18,102 --> 01:30:20,104
and we have to fight them
to uh,

2013
01:30:20,138 --> 01:30:23,176
basically save the world.

2014
01:30:23,210 --> 01:30:24,971
- It's the weirdest thing
you're probably ever gonna see?

2015
01:30:25,005 --> 01:30:27,491
It's so fucking bizarre,

2016
01:30:27,525 --> 01:30:29,354
but I'm honored.

2017
01:30:30,355 --> 01:30:32,530
- Yeah!
- Oh, my God!

2018
01:30:34,463 --> 01:30:36,361
- Kevin's so much fun,
and he's so sweet,

2019
01:30:36,396 --> 01:30:38,950
and he's so um, uplifting,

2020
01:30:38,985 --> 01:30:41,953
that I feel like his whole
set has that same energy.

2021
01:30:43,990 --> 01:30:46,095
- You piece of shit!

2022
01:30:46,130 --> 01:30:48,477
Cut!
- Cut.

2023
01:30:48,512 --> 01:30:49,892
- That's my girl.

2024
01:30:49,927 --> 01:30:52,170
You remember ever going
to a Q&A here,

2025
01:30:52,205 --> 01:30:54,000
or any of the Hall H's?

2026
01:30:54,034 --> 01:30:57,037
- I, unfortunately,
do remember uh,

2027
01:30:57,072 --> 01:31:00,316
last year,
I came for a second

2028
01:31:00,351 --> 01:31:02,422
and you were talking
about Batman,

2029
01:31:02,457 --> 01:31:03,906
and I was like, this is,
this is cool,

2030
01:31:03,941 --> 01:31:06,012
I'll come and watch him
all the time.

2031
01:31:06,046 --> 01:31:08,497
And then, you started
talking about

2032
01:31:08,532 --> 01:31:10,879
you and mom having sex.

2033
01:31:10,913 --> 01:31:13,019
- Kevin Smith is the man!

2034
01:31:13,053 --> 01:31:14,986
He is a God among nerds!

2035
01:31:15,021 --> 01:31:16,712
- Who doesn't know
who Kevin Smith is?

2036
01:31:16,747 --> 01:31:18,680
- He's good! Good director,
big nerd.

2037
01:31:18,714 --> 01:31:20,509
I like him.
- I love Kevin Smith.

2038
01:31:20,544 --> 01:31:22,718
- I'm a big comic book nerd,
so, I can relate.

2039
01:31:22,753 --> 01:31:24,168
- Uh, love him. Awesome, dude.

2040
01:31:24,202 --> 01:31:26,273
- He continues to be
a great dude.

2041
01:31:26,308 --> 01:31:28,068
He's an inspiration to artists.
Beacon of hope, man,

2042
01:31:28,103 --> 01:31:30,554
who needs Superman?
I got Kevin Smith.

2043
01:31:30,588 --> 01:31:34,385
Kevin: This is Mecca for
any pop culture enthusiast,

2044
01:31:34,419 --> 01:31:36,318
but it's grown
well beyond comic books.

2045
01:31:36,352 --> 01:31:39,839
I've been coming to this show
since 1995.

2046
01:31:45,430 --> 01:31:47,674
I love coming to San Diego
Comic Con.

2047
01:31:47,709 --> 01:31:50,090
I used to come as just
a passionate enthusiast,

2048
01:31:50,125 --> 01:31:51,644
somebody who likes the culture.

2049
01:31:51,678 --> 01:31:53,577
Now, I come with IMDB

2050
01:31:53,611 --> 01:31:55,337
and I interview people.

2051
01:31:59,928 --> 01:32:02,413
- Yeah, totally.

2052
01:32:04,622 --> 01:32:06,693
- Well done.
Thank you. See ya later.

2053
01:32:07,832 --> 01:32:09,144
- Nice seeing you.
- Thanks.

2054
01:32:09,178 --> 01:32:11,249
Nice seeing you, Nelson.
See you next year.

2055
01:32:11,284 --> 01:32:12,561
- Yes, sir. Next year, it is!

2056
01:32:12,596 --> 01:32:15,046
- Hi, Kevin!
- Bye, bye!

2057
01:32:18,912 --> 01:32:20,914
- Thank you so much!
- Bye, bye!

2058
01:32:23,365 --> 01:32:24,642
- Off to the next thing, man.

2059
01:32:24,677 --> 01:32:26,333
Hall H.

2060
01:32:26,368 --> 01:32:28,439
First thing, go smoke a joint,
then Hall H.

2061
01:32:28,473 --> 01:32:30,648
Whenever you hear
about the Comic Con,

2062
01:32:30,683 --> 01:32:33,030
you're hearing about things
that happened at Hall H.

2063
01:32:33,064 --> 01:32:35,619
It's where pop culture
comes to unveil

2064
01:32:35,653 --> 01:32:37,724
what's gonna happen to you
for the next year.

2065
01:32:37,759 --> 01:32:40,313
Man: It is my pleasure
to bring out Kevin Smith.

2066
01:32:50,426 --> 01:32:52,152
Now, I just wanna be
Kevin Smith.

2067
01:32:52,187 --> 01:32:54,603
I wanna be the Kevin Smithiest
Kevin Smith I could fuckin' be,

2068
01:32:54,638 --> 01:32:55,846
from now until the end of time,

2069
01:32:55,880 --> 01:32:57,986
because that's all
I'll have going for me.

2070
01:32:58,020 --> 01:33:00,126
That's all I've ever
had going for me,

2071
01:33:00,160 --> 01:33:02,093
and that's all they'll remember
about me when I'm gone.

2072
01:33:02,128 --> 01:33:05,994
They'll remember the Kevin
Smithiest moments of it all.

2073
01:34:00,013 --> 01:34:01,670
- Hey, kids.

2074
01:34:01,705 --> 01:34:03,707
Reporter: Really close call
for director

2075
01:34:03,741 --> 01:34:05,778
and writer, Kevin Smith.

2076
01:34:05,812 --> 01:34:07,365
Reporter: He suffered a massive
heart attack last night.

2077
01:34:07,400 --> 01:34:10,679
He's already posting on social
media about it.

2078
01:34:10,714 --> 01:34:12,923
- It's me, and I'm fine.
Kinda.

2079
01:34:13,924 --> 01:34:16,547
I had a heart attack,
a massive heart attack,

2080
01:34:16,581 --> 01:34:18,687
and very nearly died.

2081
01:34:18,722 --> 01:34:20,827
I am terrified of dying,

2082
01:34:20,862 --> 01:34:22,242
and always have been,

2083
01:34:22,277 --> 01:34:25,590
up until when I almost died.

2084
01:34:34,254 --> 01:34:37,085
At the end of the show,
"Silent but Deadly,"

2085
01:34:37,119 --> 01:34:39,121
you know, I'm tellin' people
like, live your dreams,

2086
01:34:39,156 --> 01:34:41,261
go out and you know,

2087
01:34:41,296 --> 01:34:43,401
say, say what you wanna say,
you know uh,

2088
01:34:43,436 --> 01:34:45,058
before you leave this world,

2089
01:34:45,093 --> 01:34:47,129
and then I literally got off
stage and almost fuckin' died.

2090
01:34:47,164 --> 01:34:48,855
Over the course of your life,

2091
01:34:48,890 --> 01:34:50,581
you've listened to people
talk on the radio,

2092
01:34:50,615 --> 01:34:53,239
or seen people talk on TV,
and you've said to yourself,

2093
01:34:53,273 --> 01:34:56,242
or thought to yourself,
"I'm smarter than these people,

2094
01:34:56,276 --> 01:34:58,554
I'm funnier than this person."

2095
01:34:58,589 --> 01:35:00,418
You're probably thinking
that shit right now.

2096
01:35:02,006 --> 01:35:04,457
And you're probably right, man,
but nobody's gonna know

2097
01:35:04,491 --> 01:35:06,390
unless you kinda go out there
and express yourself

2098
01:35:06,424 --> 01:35:07,943
in some way, shape, or form.

2099
01:35:07,978 --> 01:35:10,118
That's where I almost died.
Could you imagine

2100
01:35:10,152 --> 01:35:11,982
if at the end of the day,

2101
01:35:12,016 --> 01:35:14,294
like, that's,
that's where my life ended?

2102
01:35:21,439 --> 01:35:24,304
They put me in the ambulance;
they took me to the hospital,

2103
01:35:24,339 --> 01:35:26,237
brought me into the ER,

2104
01:35:26,272 --> 01:35:28,170
and Dr. Ladenon, he goes,
okay, well,

2105
01:35:28,205 --> 01:35:30,586
"Pain, give me an idea,

2106
01:35:30,621 --> 01:35:33,624
0 to 10, how much pain
are you in right now?"

2107
01:35:33,658 --> 01:35:35,488
And I said, "Negative three."

2108
01:35:35,522 --> 01:35:38,008
And he goes, "Boy, you're doin'
this all wrong, man.

2109
01:35:38,042 --> 01:35:40,079
That's not the way you're
supposed to feel

2110
01:35:40,113 --> 01:35:41,908
when you're having
a massive heart attack."

2111
01:35:41,943 --> 01:35:43,772
All of a sudden, I was hit
with the information like,

2112
01:35:43,807 --> 01:35:45,567
I'm having a heart attack.
Like, it's impossible.

2113
01:35:45,601 --> 01:35:47,638
No, clearly, no.
He's, this guy's an idiot.

2114
01:35:47,672 --> 01:35:49,744
He's gonna find out that I'm
just way too high right now.

2115
01:35:50,814 --> 01:35:52,919
- I got a call saying you need,
you know,

2116
01:35:52,954 --> 01:35:54,438
Kevin's in the hospital.

2117
01:35:54,472 --> 01:35:56,371
I almost fainted
when I got there,

2118
01:35:56,405 --> 01:35:58,304
because one of the first
questions that they ask is,

2119
01:35:58,338 --> 01:36:00,582
do you know if he has a will?

2120
01:36:00,616 --> 01:36:03,240
So, I thought that he had died.

2121
01:36:03,274 --> 01:36:05,242
- I was upset because you,
but then,

2122
01:36:05,276 --> 01:36:07,037
I was upset too because
your wife was there,

2123
01:36:07,071 --> 01:36:09,039
and she was hysterical.

2124
01:36:09,073 --> 01:36:11,904
- So, I sort of collapsed
into a chair.

2125
01:36:11,938 --> 01:36:13,906
- What if they came out
and said this happened?

2126
01:36:13,940 --> 01:36:16,115
Like, I don't if I, if like,
my brain could handle it.

2127
01:36:16,149 --> 01:36:18,842
Like, literally, it's dramatic,
but I feel like I couldn't--

2128
01:36:18,876 --> 01:36:20,429
- What if a doctor came out
and was like,

2129
01:36:20,464 --> 01:36:23,467
"He died,
and you didn't save him!"

2130
01:36:23,501 --> 01:36:25,158
- I'd be like,

2131
01:36:25,193 --> 01:36:26,884
"It's not my fault!"

2132
01:36:26,919 --> 01:36:28,748
- Jay wasn't there
for Silent Bob!

2133
01:36:28,783 --> 01:36:30,888
- What if I like, push him out
of the way, I was like,

2134
01:36:30,923 --> 01:36:32,269
"But I can save him!"
I go in,

2135
01:36:32,303 --> 01:36:34,133
I just put your dick
in my mouth, I'm like...

2136
01:36:34,167 --> 01:36:36,514
- That might've pulled me
out of the heart attack.

2137
01:36:36,549 --> 01:36:38,447
- Yeah, you're like,
"The light!"

2138
01:36:38,482 --> 01:36:40,449
- "What's goin', what the!"

2139
01:36:40,484 --> 01:36:43,176
- I wait to make sure
he gets out of,

2140
01:36:43,211 --> 01:36:45,178
you know, the surgery,

2141
01:36:45,213 --> 01:36:48,181
look at him, everything's okay.

2142
01:36:48,216 --> 01:36:50,045
- He's alive, you know,

2143
01:36:50,080 --> 01:36:53,048
so I was like, okay. I'm like,
now I can move forward.

2144
01:36:55,533 --> 01:36:57,742
that heart attack scared
the hell outta everybody.

2145
01:36:57,777 --> 01:36:59,848
- As soon as I got to a place
where they're like,

2146
01:36:59,883 --> 01:37:01,816
"All right, you recover here."

2147
01:37:01,850 --> 01:37:03,507
I was like, "And now,
it's time to alert the world."

2148
01:37:03,541 --> 01:37:06,751
And so, I Instagrammed
and Tweeted,

2149
01:37:06,786 --> 01:37:08,650
because that seemed
like the easiest,

2150
01:37:08,684 --> 01:37:11,411
quickest way to disseminate
the information.

2151
01:37:11,446 --> 01:37:13,966
- I will admit,
I will admit that I did go

2152
01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:16,416
to Instagram before calling.

2153
01:37:17,486 --> 01:37:19,626
- It made me feel a lot better
that he was posting things.

2154
01:37:19,661 --> 01:37:21,836
- When I saw him posting photos
from the hospital,

2155
01:37:21,870 --> 01:37:23,803
or whatever, I was like,
Kevin's all right.

2156
01:37:23,838 --> 01:37:25,218
- Like, I started thinking
about my life

2157
01:37:25,253 --> 01:37:27,842
and how lucky I was,
and all the cool shit I did.

2158
01:37:27,876 --> 01:37:29,222
I thought about my parents.

2159
01:37:29,257 --> 01:37:31,121
- It's like, 3:00,
and I looked, and I said,

2160
01:37:31,155 --> 01:37:32,570
wonder why he's calling me,

2161
01:37:32,605 --> 01:37:34,572
something must be wrong
with Harley. So, I said,

2162
01:37:34,607 --> 01:37:36,229
"Kevin, why are you calling me
at 3:00 in the morning,

2163
01:37:36,264 --> 01:37:37,782
what's the matter?"
And he said,

2164
01:37:37,817 --> 01:37:39,370
"Well, you and I
are the same now, Mom."

2165
01:37:39,405 --> 01:37:41,131
And I go, "What do you mean,
we're the same?"

2166
01:37:41,165 --> 01:37:43,133
He said, "Well,
I just had an LAD put in

2167
01:37:43,167 --> 01:37:44,997
because I almost died;
I had an hour to live."

2168
01:37:45,031 --> 01:37:47,827
I go, "Kevin, that's a terrible
joke at 3:00 in the morning."

2169
01:37:47,862 --> 01:37:49,829
You know, 'cause that's
what happened to me.

2170
01:37:49,864 --> 01:37:52,694
- I was like, "Oh, my God, I
actually got to do that thing,

2171
01:37:52,728 --> 01:37:55,214
like I got to be a parent
as well."

2172
01:37:55,248 --> 01:37:57,457
It wasn't just me, you know,

2173
01:37:57,492 --> 01:38:00,012
"Oh, I had a great job."
I had a personal life, as well.

2174
01:38:01,703 --> 01:38:03,981
- Well, his heart attack
was the worst thing

2175
01:38:04,016 --> 01:38:05,880
that has ever happened to me.

2176
01:38:05,914 --> 01:38:07,536
- I felt a little bit
like Mighty Mouse,

2177
01:38:07,571 --> 01:38:11,057
you know, the call kind
of went out far and wide to,

2178
01:38:13,128 --> 01:38:15,303
on Twitter.
People just saying,

2179
01:38:15,337 --> 01:38:17,443
"Why don't you save Kevin
Smith's life?"

2180
01:38:17,477 --> 01:38:19,238
I figured, ah, what the hell.

2181
01:38:19,272 --> 01:38:21,619
So, I got in touch with him
and said, you know um,

2182
01:38:21,654 --> 01:38:24,968
there are ways that you can um,
you can not die from this.

2183
01:38:25,002 --> 01:38:27,246
I don't really care very much

2184
01:38:27,280 --> 01:38:29,593
whether it's my exact system,
which of course,

2185
01:38:29,627 --> 01:38:31,871
is completely correct,
or whether it's Weight Watchers,

2186
01:38:31,906 --> 01:38:33,459
or whatever it's gonna be,

2187
01:38:33,493 --> 01:38:36,117
um, I just wanted his
commitment to be unbelievable.

2188
01:38:36,151 --> 01:38:38,429
Just, the same
as making a movie.

2189
01:38:38,464 --> 01:38:40,500
And I love the fact
that his daughter is vegan.

2190
01:38:40,535 --> 01:38:44,056
- I have been trying to get my
Dad to go vegan for so long,

2191
01:38:45,436 --> 01:38:48,405
and his doctor has been like,
you don't need to go vegan.

2192
01:38:48,439 --> 01:38:50,614
I mean, I am thankful he saved
his life, but I'm also like,

2193
01:38:50,648 --> 01:38:52,927
how could you,
how could you say this?

2194
01:38:54,066 --> 01:38:57,517
And it just, oh, my God,
it was so frustrating to me,

2195
01:38:57,552 --> 01:38:59,519
and it still frustrates me
so much.

2196
01:38:59,554 --> 01:39:02,074
But thankfully my Dad
did listen to me

2197
01:39:02,108 --> 01:39:04,524
and not, not his doctor.

2198
01:39:04,559 --> 01:39:07,631
- That was the thing that came
from the heart attack.

2199
01:39:07,665 --> 01:39:10,634
Like, it never would've
happened otherwise.

2200
01:39:12,015 --> 01:39:14,120
Fear of fucking dying

2201
01:39:14,155 --> 01:39:16,847
like, made me go, okay,
I'm gonna,

2202
01:39:16,881 --> 01:39:18,711
I'm gonna commit
to losing weight.

2203
01:39:18,745 --> 01:39:20,989
- And the fact of the matter
is, he lost a,

2204
01:39:21,024 --> 01:39:22,991
an awful lot of weight.

2205
01:39:23,026 --> 01:39:25,097
And um,

2206
01:39:25,131 --> 01:39:27,409
that's not only good for him,

2207
01:39:28,721 --> 01:39:32,138
but it's really good
because a lot of health stuff,

2208
01:39:32,173 --> 01:39:34,278
even on the positive side,

2209
01:39:34,313 --> 01:39:36,177
follows the patterns
of contagion.

2210
01:39:36,211 --> 01:39:37,488
Lives will be prolonged,

2211
01:39:37,523 --> 01:39:39,939
very likely by Kevin Smith.

2212
01:39:39,974 --> 01:39:43,149
- He's lost 50 pounds,
and it's so crazy,

2213
01:39:43,184 --> 01:39:45,358
and once he did lose 50 pounds,
I was like,

2214
01:39:45,393 --> 01:39:47,533
you should go to your doctor
and let him know

2215
01:39:47,567 --> 01:39:50,018
and let him know that it
was the vegan diet.

2216
01:39:50,053 --> 01:39:53,849
- The heart attack saved my
life in many fuckin' ways.

2217
01:39:55,920 --> 01:39:57,681
Part of the journey is the end,

2218
01:39:57,715 --> 01:39:59,269
so, we're at the end and stuff,

2219
01:39:59,303 --> 01:40:00,960
and I was okay.
I was at peace.

2220
01:40:00,995 --> 01:40:02,997
And then, all of a sudden,
I was like, "Wait a second,

2221
01:40:03,031 --> 01:40:05,309
oh, my God, if I die tonight,

2222
01:40:05,344 --> 01:40:07,967
'Yoga Hosers' is the last movie
I ever made.

2223
01:40:08,002 --> 01:40:10,004
Fuck! That's not
what to go out on."

2224
01:40:10,038 --> 01:40:12,351
I told the doc, I was like,
"You gotta save my life,

2225
01:40:12,385 --> 01:40:14,353
because I wanna make 'Jay
and Silent Bob Reboot,'"

2226
01:40:14,387 --> 01:40:16,355
and he goes, "There's better
reasons to save your life."

2227
01:40:21,187 --> 01:40:22,982
- February 26,

2228
01:40:23,017 --> 01:40:24,708
was when we started the flick,

2229
01:40:24,742 --> 01:40:26,503
on the anniversary
of my heart attack,

2230
01:40:26,537 --> 01:40:28,022
as a big fuck you to death.

2231
01:40:28,056 --> 01:40:29,575
The original joke is like,

2232
01:40:29,609 --> 01:40:32,129
what if I just made the exact
same movie over again,

2233
01:40:32,164 --> 01:40:34,062
and see if anybody fuckin'
noticed,

2234
01:40:34,097 --> 01:40:35,512
'cause that's like,
we're in reboot culture.

2235
01:40:35,546 --> 01:40:37,652
The idea is you could get away
with that fuckin' sorta thing.

2236
01:40:37,686 --> 01:40:39,826
Jay: We got three days
to get to Hollywood

2237
01:40:39,861 --> 01:40:42,036
and stop this reboot
from ever happening.

2238
01:40:42,070 --> 01:40:43,382
- I'd call up people
and be like,

2239
01:40:43,416 --> 01:40:45,453
"Hey, man, you wanna
come down to New Orleans

2240
01:40:45,487 --> 01:40:47,248
and be in the movie?"
They'd be like,

2241
01:40:47,282 --> 01:40:48,835
"I don't know, New Orleans
is far." I'd be like,

2242
01:40:48,870 --> 01:40:50,665
"You do remember I almost
fucking died, right?"

2243
01:40:52,563 --> 01:40:54,703
- One of the most common things
people still say to me,

2244
01:40:54,738 --> 01:40:56,912
in my life, as I go around
on the streets,

2245
01:40:56,947 --> 01:40:58,776
is that I was the bomb
in Phantoms, yo,

2246
01:40:58,811 --> 01:41:01,262
which is a line that Jay
had in an earlier movie,

2247
01:41:01,296 --> 01:41:03,057
and it haunts me.

2248
01:41:03,091 --> 01:41:05,507
- Affleck, you're the bomb
in Phantoms, yo!

2249
01:41:07,716 --> 01:41:09,339
- I don't know why
they're still so appealing.

2250
01:41:09,373 --> 01:41:11,030
I wish they weren't.

2251
01:41:11,065 --> 01:41:12,790
I wish I didn't have
to hear that so much,

2252
01:41:12,825 --> 01:41:14,930
but I do, that's just part
of my cross to bear.

2253
01:41:14,965 --> 01:41:17,416
- Word, bitch.
Phantoms like a mall, fucker!

2254
01:41:17,450 --> 01:41:20,004
- Kevin was the first person
to give me, to offer me like,

2255
01:41:20,039 --> 01:41:21,558
a lead role, you know,

2256
01:41:21,592 --> 01:41:23,491
to sort of like believe in me
for a movie

2257
01:41:23,525 --> 01:41:25,424
that was actually gonna be
distributed,

2258
01:41:25,458 --> 01:41:27,150
that someone was gonna do,

2259
01:41:27,184 --> 01:41:29,980
and really leveraged a lot
of his personal credibility.

2260
01:41:30,014 --> 01:41:32,431
It was the first time I really
felt like a director,

2261
01:41:32,465 --> 01:41:34,985
you know, really believed in me
and took a chance on me,

2262
01:41:35,019 --> 01:41:37,229
and I've always been grateful
to him for that.

2263
01:41:39,162 --> 01:41:41,060
- In the 90's when Ben
was doing all these movies

2264
01:41:41,095 --> 01:41:43,269
with Kevin, like,
I'd just try to get in them,

2265
01:41:43,304 --> 01:41:44,995
any way I could.

2266
01:41:45,029 --> 01:41:48,412
And then, after Kevin executive
produced "Good Will Hunting"

2267
01:41:48,447 --> 01:41:50,414
I remember we were on the set
of "Good Will Hunting"

2268
01:41:50,449 --> 01:41:52,175
and Kevin offered me Loki,

2269
01:41:52,209 --> 01:41:54,038
so it was the first time
he offered me a real,

2270
01:41:54,073 --> 01:41:55,868
a real job, a big job.

2271
01:41:55,902 --> 01:41:58,181
- Lion face! Ah!
- Lemon face. Ooh!

2272
01:41:58,215 --> 01:42:00,321
- I have no idea what
Jay and Silent Bob,

2273
01:42:00,355 --> 01:42:01,874
I didn't have any idea
what Jay was doing when,

2274
01:42:01,908 --> 01:42:03,910
when I was hangin' out with him.

2275
01:42:03,945 --> 01:42:06,154
- What are we gonna do?

2276
01:42:06,189 --> 01:42:07,776
- Jackie?
- Yeah?

2277
01:42:08,915 --> 01:42:10,503
- It's hunting season.

2278
01:42:12,160 --> 01:42:14,438
Despite their best efforts,
they couldn't help growing up,

2279
01:42:14,473 --> 01:42:17,717
and, and gaining wisdom,
and deepening.

2280
01:42:17,752 --> 01:42:19,754
And like, you see that
in Jay's performance.

2281
01:42:19,788 --> 01:42:21,825
- I just found out
I have a kid,

2282
01:42:21,859 --> 01:42:23,240
but I don't know
how to be a father.

2283
01:42:23,275 --> 01:42:25,069
- You know,
Jay and Bob movies can be

2284
01:42:25,104 --> 01:42:27,727
just like sort of broad,
or funnier, or slapsticky,

2285
01:42:27,762 --> 01:42:30,040
or like, dick and fart jokes,
you know.

2286
01:42:30,074 --> 01:42:33,561
All that belies a sort of
a deep feeling from Kevin;

2287
01:42:33,595 --> 01:42:35,839
he's got a lot of heart.
That comes out in his writing,

2288
01:42:35,873 --> 01:42:37,772
so I think it was natural
that he would write about

2289
01:42:37,806 --> 01:42:39,946
having children,
since obviously

2290
01:42:39,981 --> 01:42:42,742
he's done such a great job uh,
raising his own.

2291
01:42:43,847 --> 01:42:45,849
- I got to work
with the kid again.

2292
01:42:45,883 --> 01:42:49,266
It was really sweet
because the kid had gone off

2293
01:42:49,301 --> 01:42:52,062
to work with Quentin Tarantino.

2294
01:42:52,096 --> 01:42:54,237
She got a part as one
of the Manson kids

2295
01:42:54,271 --> 01:42:57,309
in "Once Upon a Time
in Hollywood."

2296
01:42:57,343 --> 01:42:59,173
That was great for us,

2297
01:42:59,207 --> 01:43:00,829
on any number of levels.

2298
01:43:00,864 --> 01:43:04,350
Number one, she steps on
to our set with confidence,

2299
01:43:04,385 --> 01:43:07,836
not like, my father's the only
person that fucking hires me.

2300
01:43:07,871 --> 01:43:10,322
You know what I'm saying, she
walked onto a set coming off,

2301
01:43:10,356 --> 01:43:12,013
almost like, you know,

2302
01:43:12,047 --> 01:43:14,602
"I just came from a real
director's set!"

2303
01:43:14,636 --> 01:43:17,087
You know, just with authority,
with pride,

2304
01:43:17,121 --> 01:43:18,606
and shit like that.

2305
01:43:18,640 --> 01:43:21,091
- Yo, meth heads,
let's do this!

2306
01:43:21,125 --> 01:43:25,233
I'm Jay, and this is hetero
life mate, Silent Bob!

2307
01:43:25,268 --> 01:43:27,270
- It's my whole life,
it's my big old open,

2308
01:43:27,304 --> 01:43:31,308
broken heart, you know,
with fuckin' a stent in it,

2309
01:43:31,343 --> 01:43:34,208
and shit like that,
projected for the audience.

2310
01:43:36,244 --> 01:43:38,246
Jay and I took the movie
on tour.

2311
01:43:38,281 --> 01:43:40,352
While we'd go intro,
Jay would go backstage

2312
01:43:40,386 --> 01:43:42,146
and play fuckin' Fortnite,

2313
01:43:42,181 --> 01:43:44,459
you know,
while the movie's playing.

2314
01:43:44,494 --> 01:43:46,116
But I'd sit there
with the audience, man,

2315
01:43:46,150 --> 01:43:48,152
and just like, soak it up.

2316
01:43:49,361 --> 01:43:51,294
I look out in the audience
and a good section of it

2317
01:43:51,328 --> 01:43:52,571
are a bunch of teenagers.

2318
01:43:52,605 --> 01:43:55,988
I'd be like, "What fuckin'
irresponsible parent

2319
01:43:56,022 --> 01:43:58,404
let somebody like you
watch movies at age eight?"

2320
01:43:58,439 --> 01:44:01,200
And then, a proud parent
will stand up and be like,

2321
01:44:01,235 --> 01:44:04,376
"I'm that parent." Then, I see
my old man in the audience,

2322
01:44:04,410 --> 01:44:06,412
like, for one brief
shining moment,

2323
01:44:06,447 --> 01:44:08,276
like, same fucking thing.

2324
01:44:17,078 --> 01:44:19,322
Kevin! Kevin! Jay!

2325
01:44:19,356 --> 01:44:21,600
My old man took me,
and my Mom,

2326
01:44:21,634 --> 01:44:23,602
my brother and sister
in Virginia,

2327
01:44:23,636 --> 01:44:26,087
to the courtyard, 1979,

2328
01:44:26,121 --> 01:44:28,469
because I was like, the
"Star Wars" footprint is here.

2329
01:44:28,503 --> 01:44:30,747
There was Darth Vader,
and C3P0 and R2D2,

2330
01:44:30,781 --> 01:44:32,611
and he knew that I liked
Hollywood and shit.

2331
01:44:32,645 --> 01:44:35,338
So, the old man was like,
maybe one day, you'll be here.

2332
01:44:35,372 --> 01:44:37,374
And then, 40 years later.

2333
01:44:37,409 --> 01:44:39,065
Ben: They've been hangin'
around the Quick Stop

2334
01:44:39,100 --> 01:44:40,895
for 25 years, but today,

2335
01:44:40,929 --> 01:44:42,586
Jay and Silent Bob
start hangin' around

2336
01:44:42,621 --> 01:44:44,588
the TCL Chinese Theater
Courtyard forever,

2337
01:44:44,623 --> 01:44:46,349
ensconced in cement,

2338
01:44:46,383 --> 01:44:48,212
with all the other
Hollywood legends.

2339
01:44:48,247 --> 01:44:50,249
Right where they belong.

2340
01:44:50,284 --> 01:44:52,044
I don't think I ever loved

2341
01:44:52,078 --> 01:44:54,874
Jason Mewes more in my life

2342
01:44:54,909 --> 01:44:57,567
because that's how we got there.

2343
01:44:57,601 --> 01:45:00,811
Like, it wasn't like,
"Hey, Silent Bob,

2344
01:45:00,846 --> 01:45:02,710
put your shit in the ground!"

2345
01:45:02,744 --> 01:45:04,332
It was Jay and Silent Bob,

2346
01:45:04,367 --> 01:45:06,714
and there's something really
poetic about

2347
01:45:06,748 --> 01:45:09,924
being right next to him,
forever.

2348
01:45:13,237 --> 01:45:15,274
- I think if people ever saw
that VHS

2349
01:45:15,309 --> 01:45:17,414
that he recorded for us,

2350
01:45:17,449 --> 01:45:19,727
you'd get emotional,
you'd cry,

2351
01:45:19,761 --> 01:45:21,556
you know, as parents do.

2352
01:45:21,591 --> 01:45:23,524
His father laughed, too,
he said,

2353
01:45:23,558 --> 01:45:25,388
"Well, at least he feels
like he's gonna be famous,

2354
01:45:25,422 --> 01:45:26,734
so, that's good.

2355
01:45:26,768 --> 01:45:28,736
That is gonna help him get
through a lot of things."

2356
01:45:28,770 --> 01:45:32,084
But you look, and you say,
"Wow, this kid really made it."

2357
01:45:32,118 --> 01:45:34,397
- I can't thank you enough
for having me

2358
01:45:34,431 --> 01:45:37,192
and let me, putting me
on the path and the journey.

2359
01:45:37,227 --> 01:45:40,437
- Well, a lot of it
came from you.

2360
01:45:40,472 --> 01:45:42,301
You had to have that
instinct inside ya, honey.

2361
01:45:42,336 --> 01:45:43,923
- Not really.
- That was it, really.

2362
01:45:43,958 --> 01:45:45,546
- I love you to death.

2363
01:45:45,580 --> 01:45:47,341
I love this woman.
- I love you, too, honey.

2364
01:45:47,375 --> 01:45:49,584
- When "Clerks" was clearly
going to make

2365
01:45:49,619 --> 01:45:51,448
some impact in the world,

2366
01:45:51,483 --> 01:45:54,002
leave an impression of some
sort, he said,

2367
01:45:54,037 --> 01:45:57,351
"I didn't, I just didn't wanna
be a footnote."

2368
01:45:58,697 --> 01:46:00,561
- So, Kevin, the way
this works is,

2369
01:46:00,595 --> 01:46:04,427
the influence talks
about the influencer.

2370
01:46:04,461 --> 01:46:08,223
You don't talk to the
influencer about that.

2371
01:46:08,258 --> 01:46:10,087
The only reason I'm doing
this interview

2372
01:46:10,122 --> 01:46:12,607
is because you almost fuckin'
died of a heart attack,

2373
01:46:14,920 --> 01:46:17,474
- I'm really interested in the,
in the people

2374
01:46:17,509 --> 01:46:19,269
that will learn from him,
that will,

2375
01:46:19,303 --> 01:46:20,995
people that are going
to see his Q&A's,

2376
01:46:21,029 --> 01:46:24,274
who are 16, 17, 18 years old,

2377
01:46:24,308 --> 01:46:27,139
and are gonna learn
that this is a way

2378
01:46:27,173 --> 01:46:30,073
that you can have a career
in movies.

2379
01:46:30,107 --> 01:46:31,799
- I am very impressed by him,

2380
01:46:31,833 --> 01:46:34,318
because he has managed
to change

2381
01:46:34,353 --> 01:46:37,011
and evolve in so many
different ways,

2382
01:46:37,045 --> 01:46:39,462
to keep himself relevant.

2383
01:46:39,496 --> 01:46:42,016
- I was kind of like,
how is this possible

2384
01:46:42,050 --> 01:46:44,777
that he can work at this pace,
unrelenting?

2385
01:46:44,812 --> 01:46:47,953
- Kevin is really one of the,

2386
01:46:47,987 --> 01:46:52,060
I think, most talented people
in the business.

2387
01:46:52,095 --> 01:46:55,270
- A lot of resurrections
in his career,

2388
01:46:55,305 --> 01:46:57,341
to the point where
I'm sitting here,

2389
01:46:57,376 --> 01:46:59,240
still talking about him,
and-and...

2390
01:46:59,274 --> 01:47:02,346
he is as relevant today
and he's ever been.

2391
01:47:02,381 --> 01:47:04,176
And actually funnier.

2392
01:47:04,210 --> 01:47:05,695
- He became a cultural
touchstone

2393
01:47:05,729 --> 01:47:07,559
beyond the movies that he made.

2394
01:47:07,593 --> 01:47:09,837
- It's just mind-blowing
that people

2395
01:47:09,871 --> 01:47:13,565
really embrace Kevin's world
that he's created.

2396
01:47:13,599 --> 01:47:16,844
- Walking with that dude
through an airport is a,

2397
01:47:16,878 --> 01:47:19,467
is an object lesson
in generosity.

2398
01:47:19,502 --> 01:47:21,469
But he always takes the time.
It's like, "Hey, man, sure,

2399
01:47:21,504 --> 01:47:22,919
you want a picture?
Come on, let's do this."

2400
01:47:22,953 --> 01:47:24,990
- Oh man, the dude
just gives everybody like,

2401
01:47:25,024 --> 01:47:27,095
if you feel like you,
like you had a moment with him,

2402
01:47:27,130 --> 01:47:28,787
if you're talking to him.

2403
01:47:28,821 --> 01:47:30,789
- There's no arguing what his,
he's created, is like,

2404
01:47:30,823 --> 01:47:32,860
indelible in American culture.

2405
01:47:32,894 --> 01:47:35,449
25 years later, people are
still talking about "Clerks."

2406
01:47:35,483 --> 01:47:38,521
It's affected so many people,
on so many different levels.

2407
01:47:38,555 --> 01:47:42,317
- To step up to the plate
at your first time at bat

2408
01:47:42,352 --> 01:47:46,252
and hit a home run
like he did with "Clerks"

2409
01:47:46,287 --> 01:47:48,600
makes a movie that is still
beloved to this today,

2410
01:47:48,634 --> 01:47:50,118
how many people do that.

2411
01:47:50,153 --> 01:47:53,984
- There's been people who have
been around for 25 years,

2412
01:47:54,019 --> 01:47:56,780
and they've passed
the movies on to other uh,

2413
01:47:56,815 --> 01:47:58,817
to the next generation.

2414
01:47:58,851 --> 01:48:01,336
It's really touching to see
how many people

2415
01:48:01,371 --> 01:48:03,856
that have been touched
by my dad.

2416
01:48:03,891 --> 01:48:05,720
That's a really beautiful
thing.

2417
01:48:05,755 --> 01:48:08,965
- He will never retire;
he will never give up.

2418
01:48:08,999 --> 01:48:12,140
He will find a way to keep
going, and going, and going.

2419
01:48:16,559 --> 01:48:19,423
- Where he is now,
the podcasts,

2420
01:48:19,458 --> 01:48:21,253
the stage shows,

2421
01:48:21,287 --> 01:48:24,636
the hosting, making movies,
making TV, like...

2422
01:48:25,671 --> 01:48:28,812
I feel like he sort
of let go of some shit

2423
01:48:28,847 --> 01:48:31,056
and just got real free.

2424
01:48:32,229 --> 01:48:34,922
I do actually think like,
he got where he wanted to be.

2425
01:48:44,656 --> 01:48:47,521
- What one memory sums up
"Clerks" best for me?

2426
01:48:48,832 --> 01:48:50,316
And there are so many, right,

2427
01:48:50,351 --> 01:48:52,560
because it literally gave me
a fuckin' career,

2428
01:48:52,595 --> 01:48:55,977
changed my life, and it's
just like, wishing on a star.

2429
01:48:56,012 --> 01:48:58,739
There's a beautiful line
in uh,

2430
01:48:59,740 --> 01:49:02,156
oh, my God, I'm not gonna
get through it

2431
01:49:02,190 --> 01:49:03,985
without fuckin' tearing up.

2432
01:49:04,020 --> 01:49:07,092
There's a beautiful line in a
song by Bruce Springsteen uh,

2433
01:49:08,162 --> 01:49:09,646
I think it's called "The Wish"

2434
01:49:09,681 --> 01:49:12,373
and it's a song for his mother.

2435
01:49:13,477 --> 01:49:16,757
And uh, the line is devastating,

2436
01:49:19,000 --> 01:49:21,900
I think, if you've lived like,
the life that I've lived.

2437
01:49:23,108 --> 01:49:25,455
And he says,
"It's a funny old world, ma,

2438
01:49:25,489 --> 01:49:27,733
where a little boy's wishes
come true."

2439
01:49:27,768 --> 01:49:30,978
And like,
that's what "Clerks" was.

2440
01:49:31,012 --> 01:49:33,774
It was a little boy's wish
coming true

2441
01:49:33,808 --> 01:49:37,053
over, and over, and over again.

2442
01:49:37,087 --> 01:49:38,986
Like, it was nuts.

2443
01:49:39,020 --> 01:49:40,539
It shouldn't have happened,

2444
01:49:40,574 --> 01:49:42,265
and it fuckin' did, and like,

2445
01:49:42,299 --> 01:49:44,612
cracked open the fuckin'
universe.

2446
01:49:46,649 --> 01:49:49,893
old world, ma,

2447
01:49:49,928 --> 01:49:52,586
wishes come true

2448
01:49:55,105 --> 01:49:57,763
in my pocket

2449
01:49:57,798 --> 01:50:01,008
just for you

2450
01:50:03,666 --> 01:50:06,703
on Sunday

2451
01:50:06,738 --> 01:50:08,878
or a Mother's Day card

2452
01:50:14,987 --> 01:50:17,749
and a nice little yard

2453
01:50:20,579 --> 01:50:23,237
on Bond Street

2454
01:50:23,271 --> 01:50:27,034
know me in a glance

2455
01:50:28,932 --> 01:50:32,246
rock 'n roll bar

2456
01:50:32,280 --> 01:50:34,628
and dance

2457
01:50:34,662 --> 01:50:37,527
Do it right now!
Come in!

2458
01:51:11,285 --> 01:51:14,184
in my Beatle boots

2459
01:51:14,219 --> 01:51:17,671
and matador pants

2460
01:51:22,745 --> 01:51:26,680
for my uncles and aunts

2461
01:51:28,612 --> 01:51:30,856
of my own now, ma,

2462
01:51:30,891 --> 01:51:33,928
on your birthday

2463
01:51:35,136 --> 01:51:37,138
on the front porch

2464
01:51:37,173 --> 01:51:39,796
to get out there

2465
01:51:39,831 --> 01:51:42,661
that I had to say

2466
01:51:45,906 --> 01:51:48,322
we all sat around

2467
01:51:48,356 --> 01:51:51,705
that guitar brought us

2468
01:51:56,813 --> 01:51:59,609
it's brought us

2469
01:52:02,543 --> 01:52:04,752
requests here in the kitchen

2470
01:52:06,271 --> 01:52:08,169
and say it

2471
01:52:10,275 --> 01:52:13,761
or a sad song

2472
01:52:16,695 --> 01:52:18,801
Come on now!

2473
01:52:23,357 --> 01:52:24,151
Woo!

2474
01:52:31,296 --> 01:52:34,851
All right now!
Let's do it.