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ANNOUNCER:
This isJustice in America.
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And I'm Madeline McBride.
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It has been 73 days
since the murder
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of 11-year-old Kaylee Nagle.
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Kaylee was found sexually
assaulted and stabbed to death
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in her Westchester,
New York home.
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And while the police have yet
to make an arrest,
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there is one suspect from whom
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we never hear.
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I'm talking
about Kaylee's stepfather,
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Jeremy Brennan.
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According to Jeremy's
statement to the police,
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he picked up Kaylee after school
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at soccer practice
and returned home.
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And while Kaylee's mother
was at work,
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Jeremy claims
he went on a bike ride
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and returned less than
an hour later to find
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his stepdaughter
dead on the kitchen floor,
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her soccer jersey ripped open,
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her shorts pulled down
to her ankles,
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and a kitchen knife
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buried in her chest.
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Well, apparently, the police
are running out of ways
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to get this man to talk,
and that is why
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I am asking you,
for the 22nd night in a row,
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to let Jeremy Brennan know
that youneed to hear from him.
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Youwant answers.
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And he can't hide!
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Let's keep up the pressure.
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Let's bombard this man
with our tweets.
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Let's demand
that he come forward
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and answer some questions.
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@JeremyBrennanRealty.
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♪StopHidingJeremy.
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Dr. Bull, Mr. Colón.
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I appreciate you
braving the pandemic
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to meet me
this morning.
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For the record,
I get tested every day.
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The room is disinfected
every night.
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So feel free
to leave your masks on
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or take them off
as you see fit.
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You gentlemen know
why you're here?
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I'm guessing it's because
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you have
a Madeline McBride problem.
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She's being sued by that family
of the little girl
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who was murdered.
And they want her
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to stop encouraging her viewers
to harass the stepfather
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on social media.
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Please.
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Well, you know...
this Madeline McBride issue.
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She's picking a fight
with someone who,
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who might be the guilty party,
but also someone
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who could certainly be
perceived as the victim,
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in that his stepdaughter was
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the person
who died.
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Can't pay them off--
they don't want money.
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Can't ask Madeline to stop
what she's doing
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without doing irreparable harm
to her brand,
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which, as you know, is
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the tough-talking, acerbic,
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defender of those
denied justice.
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Yada, yada, yada.
Long story short,
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we're going to court,
whether we want to or not.
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BENNY: So you
think the jury
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just might side with
the family of the dead girl?
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[sighs]
Our whole business is based
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on the assumption that
the First Amendment gives
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our air personalities
the right to express themselves
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without fear of retribution.
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And I don't want to give
the courts or a jury
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any reason to second-guess that.
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I'd just love to shut this down
sooner rather than later.
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If you two were inclined
to lead the fight for us...
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I'd certainly make it
worth your while.
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You ever watch
that lady's show?
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I have caught a little
of it here and there.
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It's hard to believe that's
what the founding fathers
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had in mind when they were
cooking up the Constitution.
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Are you trying to tell me
you'd rather not be involved?
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Madeline McBride is part of
this culture of evisceration
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that takes over cable
television every night.
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Whether it's politics
or celebrity stalking
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or true crime,
it's just...
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it's just mean, man.
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Well, it might be mean,
but Madeline McBride
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and WNN are on the right
side of this thing legally.
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It's the First Amendment.
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And the problem is...
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if you don't stand up for
the people you don't agree with
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when they're being silenced,
there might not be
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a right to free speech
when they come after
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the people
that you doagree with.
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Right? No less a figure
than George Washington said,
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"If freedom of speech is taken
away, then dumb and silent
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we may be led
like sheep to the slaughter."
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BENNY:
Your Honor, the law
of the state of New York
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is very clear-- an injunction
can only be granted
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if there's proof
that the party in question
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is doing irreparable harm.
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Counsel is correct
on that point.
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Is your client suffering
irreparable harm?
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Without question, Your Honor.
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Jeremy Brennan is suffering
indescribable mental anguish
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because of Madeline
McBride's relentless
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and very
public attacks.
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To be clear,
she's accusing
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my client of the murder
of his stepdaughter
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on national television,
virtually every night
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for over a month now.
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All this while he and his wife
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are dealing with the anguish
of having lost
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their only child in...
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as gruesome and savage
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a rape and murder
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as I can ever recall.
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She is using
her bully pulpit
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to urge her viewers
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to call him out
via social media.
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My client receives
over a thousand
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tweets a day--
all of them hostile,
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many of them threatening--
and all of them mention
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Ms. McBride and
her program by name.
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Furthermore, Mr. Brennan is
a real estate agent.
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His name... is an integral
part of his business.
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Bus benches with
his name and photo
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are being defaced
with the words "pedophile"
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and "killer."
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Mr. Brennan can't even go out
in public anymore.
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And let's start
with the fact
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that my client
has never
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been arrested or charged
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with any crime. None.
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Furthermore, there
is clear evidence
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that someone else
is the killer.
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There was unidentified
DNA and skin cells
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present under
Kaylee's fingernails.
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Something Ms. McBride doesn't
even mention on her show.
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BENNY:Your Honor, the DNA found
underneath the victim's
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fingernails could come
from anyone, anywhere.
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Possibly even...
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one of her friends
on the soccer field.
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And isn't this ultimately
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about the First Amendment?
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No less a figure than
George Washington declared,
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"If freedom of speech
is taken away,
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"then dumb and silent,
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we may be led
like sheep to the slaughter."
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GODFORD:
Mr. Colón knows good and well
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that not all speech
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is protected
by the First Amendment.
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The Supreme Court has
been very clear on that.
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There's a reason
you can't yell fire
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in a crowded theater.
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Respectfully, Your Honor,
you can if there's smoke.
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Personally, going forward,
I would encourage
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Ms. McBride to show
a degree of sensitivity
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to Mr. Brennan, who,
as Mr. Godford points out,
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has not even been charged
with a crime at this point.
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However, I am bound
by the State of New York
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as well as the United States'
Constitution.
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Madeline McBride has a
guaranteed First Amendment right
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to state her opinion.
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Therefore, I am denying
the request for an injunction.
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Court dismissed.
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Nice job, gentlemen.
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Uh... I told you
we were in good hands.
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That George Washington quote
was very moving.
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We barely said hello,
but I'm very grateful
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for what you did here today.
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And...
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I know that Kaylee is, too.
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[elevator bell chimes]
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Hi, hi, sorry!
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Forgive me for ambushing you.
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It's just that your place
was locked, but then...
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the guard downstairs
recognized me
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and he said that I could
wait here for you,
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so...
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What can I do for you,
Ms. McBride?
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[sighs]
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I got a phone call
about an hour ago.
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Jeremy Brennan,
Kaylee Nagle's stepfather,
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he...
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...he killed himself last night.
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[phone ringing, buzzing]
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Hello?
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Yes, this is she.
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Sorry, what hospital is this?
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Oh, no, no, there must be
some mistake.
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You're, like,
three blocks away from me.
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My father lives in Louisiana.
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Has for the last 15 years.
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Wait, he what?
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Tonight?
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Day 42-- no response
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from Jeremy Brennan
or his attorneys
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regarding his availability
or willingness
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to appear on this show.
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No response from Westchester PD
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as to what their plans
are moving forward
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in regards
to the Kaylee Nagle case.
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No response from the mayor.
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No response
from the county supervisor.
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And that is why I've applied
for a permit
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for an organized rally
across the street
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from the Brennan home.
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The scene of Kaylee's death.
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And if you live
in the tri-state area,
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I do hope that you will
come down and join me
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as we let the world know
that we have some questions.
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And we want some answers!
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Our client concluded
her broadcast,
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this broadcast, at 9:59.
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According to the Brennan cable
box, the program was viewed
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in both the bedroom
and the family room.
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Jeremy's widow tells us
she watched it alone
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and fell asleep
shortly thereafter.
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Apparently her late husband
never made it upstairs to bed.
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Sometime between 2:00
and 3:00 a.m.,
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he entered the garage,
climbed into his car,
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started the engine...
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but never opened
the garage door.
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Just sat in the front seat and
waited for the carbon monoxide
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to do its job-- no texts,
no note, no nothing.
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BULL: Let's talk law--
the other side is gonna have
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to prove Jeremy Brennan's
suicide was uniquely
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a result of Madeline McBride's
on-air provocations.
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And as disturbing
as what we just saw was,
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that's gonna be a very,
very difficult thing to prove.
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And yet, the six people
sitting in judgment of all this
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may have a hard time
separating what Madeline did
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from who Madeline is,
or who she appears to be.
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Taylor, you have those Q scores?
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"Q score"?
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They measure the likeabilityand familiarity
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of a celebrity.
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Madeline McBride has
an extraordinarily
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high Q score, actually.
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Over 80% of adults
who are between the ages
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of 18 and 49
know who she is.
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Additionally, two out
of three of those 80%
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admit to watching her at
least three times a month.
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Okay. She's popular.
We knew that.
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Here's the fascinating part.
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Two-thirds of that subsetthat says they watch her,
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admit they don't like her.
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They find her shrill,hysterical, judgmental, unfair.
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Most repeated comment:"She's not a nice person."
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BULL:And therein lies the problem.
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That is our potential jury pool,which is why
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we have to make sure
this case doesn't devolve
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into a referendum
on our client's personality.
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Now, the other side's gonna
have their hands full
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trying to prove causation,
which I'm fairly sure
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we will be able
to defend against, but...
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if this case becomes
about what that jury thinks
258
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about McBride's behavior as
a TV personality, we will lose.
259
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We can't play defense and win.
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We have to make sure
this jury understands
261
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this is much bigger
than a cable news TV show.
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[melancholy, orchestral movie
music plays, bell tolls]
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[knocking]
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This better be important.
265
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What can I do for you?
266
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Any progress in the
Madeline McBride of it all?
267
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Still in the midst.
268
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Actually, I had a startling
revelation a little while ago.
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Our client...
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is the Hunchback of Notre Dame.
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People see her--
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they're appalled,
but they're also fascinated.
273
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Same way they feel
about the Hunchback.
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They can't look away.
275
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So, what the novel does,what the movie does
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is it humanizes this person
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that people find
so frightening, so terrifying.
278
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It makes them care about him.
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That's what we need
to do with Madeline.
280
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Any idea how?
281
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Not a clue.
282
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Something will come to me.
283
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But I suspect that is not why
you came to my office.
284
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Actually, I was hoping
285
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to get a couple of minutes
with the other Dr. Bull.
286
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The psychologist.
287
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[sighs]
288
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What's going on?
289
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My father passed away
last night.
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COVID.
291
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I'm so sorry.No, it's fine.
292
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I'm fine.
293
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Didn't even know he was sick.
294
00:13:06,719 --> 00:13:10,767
Haven't seen or spoken with him
in almost 15 years.
295
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I thought he was
296
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in New Orleans this whole time.
297
00:13:14,249 --> 00:13:17,600
Turns out he was living
four subway stops away from me.
298
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Is that what you wanted
to talk to me about?
299
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No. No.
300
00:13:23,301 --> 00:13:25,956
Um, I wanted to talk about me.
301
00:13:28,524 --> 00:13:31,701
So, I got the call
at 3:00 in the morning.
302
00:13:31,744 --> 00:13:35,009
Hung up, went straight to sleep.
303
00:13:35,052 --> 00:13:36,880
Didn't cry.
304
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Just slept.
305
00:13:38,708 --> 00:13:41,580
Then I got up, came to work.
306
00:13:41,624 --> 00:13:43,974
Still haven't cried.
307
00:13:47,238 --> 00:13:49,023
Is that crazy?
308
00:13:49,066 --> 00:13:51,286
Well, there's a lot
I don't know,
309
00:13:51,329 --> 00:13:53,375
but my suspicion is...
310
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you're not reacting yet
to what happened.
311
00:13:57,118 --> 00:14:00,599
And there's two reasons.
One, you're in shock.
312
00:14:00,643 --> 00:14:04,908
And two, your father
already left you 15 years ago.
313
00:14:04,952 --> 00:14:08,259
So, I suspect
you've been mourning him
314
00:14:08,303 --> 00:14:10,958
on and off for years.
315
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That makes sense.
316
00:14:17,573 --> 00:14:19,836
Thank you, Dr. Bull.
317
00:14:23,448 --> 00:14:25,929
Danny?
318
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Sooner or later, you will cry.
319
00:14:32,196 --> 00:14:34,329
I don't know.
320
00:14:34,372 --> 00:14:36,853
He is my father.
321
00:14:36,897 --> 00:14:40,770
And it's not like
I don't have any good memories.
322
00:14:42,554 --> 00:14:44,861
But in a lot of ways,
he was a really bad guy.
323
00:14:44,905 --> 00:14:47,690
I'm just telling you,
it could be tomorrow,
324
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could be years from now.
325
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You'll be walking
down the street,
326
00:14:51,476 --> 00:14:54,392
and suddenly, it hits you.
327
00:14:56,003 --> 00:14:58,135
I just want you
to know it's coming.
328
00:14:58,179 --> 00:14:59,876
Okay.
329
00:14:59,920 --> 00:15:02,487
I've been warned.
330
00:15:07,144 --> 00:15:09,364
GODFORD:
And when did
331
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the two of you become
aware that Madeline McBride
332
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was implicating your husband
333
00:15:14,238 --> 00:15:17,720
in the death of your child
on national television?
334
00:15:17,763 --> 00:15:20,810
Were you regular viewers
of her program?
335
00:15:20,853 --> 00:15:23,900
No, I had never seen it before,
I'd-I'd never heard of her.
336
00:15:23,944 --> 00:15:28,035
Um, I'm guessing
the first time she mentioned it,
337
00:15:28,078 --> 00:15:31,038
it was a Friday night,
because I remember
338
00:15:31,081 --> 00:15:34,955
it was a Saturday morning
when we first got the tweets.
339
00:15:34,998 --> 00:15:37,348
Um, my husband
340
00:15:37,392 --> 00:15:39,394
had his own
Twitter account for,
341
00:15:39,437 --> 00:15:41,396
uh, for his work.
342
00:15:41,439 --> 00:15:45,226
And he woke me up
to show me the...
343
00:15:45,269 --> 00:15:46,662
ugliest messages.
344
00:15:46,705 --> 00:15:49,839
Um, and as I said,
it was a Saturday morning,
345
00:15:49,882 --> 00:15:51,623
which are always the hardest,
346
00:15:51,667 --> 00:15:54,017
because Saturdays
were Kaylee's days.
347
00:15:54,061 --> 00:15:58,282
It was soccer and sleepovers,
and then...
348
00:15:58,326 --> 00:16:01,068
there were just these long days
349
00:16:01,111 --> 00:16:04,288
that we had to fill
by ourselves.
350
00:16:04,332 --> 00:16:08,162
GODFORD:
And how did your life change
351
00:16:08,205 --> 00:16:10,991
as Madeline McBride began
352
00:16:11,034 --> 00:16:14,385
her nightly campaign
against your husband?
353
00:16:14,429 --> 00:16:16,997
After she insinuated
on national television
354
00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:21,871
that Kaylee's stepfather was
a pedophile and a killer?
355
00:16:21,914 --> 00:16:25,048
[voice breaking]:
My husband was vilified.
356
00:16:26,484 --> 00:16:28,834
At the grocery store,
357
00:16:28,878 --> 00:16:31,620
at his office,
everywhere he went.
358
00:16:31,663 --> 00:16:33,535
They would call him names,
359
00:16:33,578 --> 00:16:35,667
tell him to stop hiding.
360
00:16:35,711 --> 00:16:37,234
And...
361
00:16:37,278 --> 00:16:39,193
did you
and Mr. Brennan ever feel
362
00:16:39,236 --> 00:16:42,674
that you were in any real danger
because of Ms. McBride?
363
00:16:42,718 --> 00:16:44,763
We did, and we were.
364
00:16:45,547 --> 00:16:47,984
In fact, the night before
Jeremy took his own life,
365
00:16:48,028 --> 00:16:50,465
someone threw a brick
through our front window.
366
00:16:50,508 --> 00:16:53,076
Your Honor,
we would like to introduce
367
00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,992
into evidence
the aforementioned brick
368
00:16:56,036 --> 00:16:58,560
that came
through the Brennans' window.
369
00:16:58,603 --> 00:17:00,083
Objection, Your Honor.
370
00:17:00,127 --> 00:17:03,217
A brick thrown by an unknown
perpetrator is not relevant
371
00:17:03,260 --> 00:17:05,436
to statements made
by Ms. McBride,
372
00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:09,005
and any attempt to connect
the two is speculative at best.
373
00:17:09,049 --> 00:17:11,138
Actually, the two are
very much connected,
374
00:17:11,181 --> 00:17:13,096
very much related,
Your Honor.
375
00:17:13,966 --> 00:17:16,056
Sorry, Counselor.
376
00:17:16,099 --> 00:17:18,406
I think we need
to see where this goes.
377
00:17:19,363 --> 00:17:21,148
Overruled.
378
00:17:21,974 --> 00:17:24,716
GODFORD:
The brick that
you're holding--
379
00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:26,805
there's some writing on it?
380
00:17:27,589 --> 00:17:31,245
Would you please read
what it says?
381
00:17:32,072 --> 00:17:34,291
It says, "Stop Hiding Jeremy."
382
00:17:34,335 --> 00:17:36,772
GODFORD:And are you familiar
with that expression?
383
00:17:36,815 --> 00:17:38,948
TRACY:
I certainly am.
384
00:17:38,991 --> 00:17:41,559
"StopHidingJeremy"
was the hashtag
385
00:17:41,603 --> 00:17:46,129
McBride told her audience
to tweet to Jeremy every night.
386
00:17:50,002 --> 00:17:51,439
BULL:
You okay?
387
00:17:51,482 --> 00:17:52,744
What do you mean?
388
00:17:52,788 --> 00:17:54,790
Well, that had to be hard
to listen to in there.
389
00:17:54,833 --> 00:17:57,271
Oh. Well, I'm fine.
390
00:17:57,314 --> 00:18:00,970
I know, and I think
the jury sees,
391
00:18:01,013 --> 00:18:03,190
that this is very
difficult for her.
392
00:18:03,233 --> 00:18:05,801
She invited him
into her house.
393
00:18:05,844 --> 00:18:07,455
She invited him
into her life.
394
00:18:07,498 --> 00:18:10,327
And now her daughter is dead,
so she's lashing out at me.
395
00:18:10,371 --> 00:18:13,461
It's-it's kind of
classic textbook.
396
00:18:13,504 --> 00:18:14,810
Don't you think?
397
00:18:14,853 --> 00:18:17,247
Oh. Do you disagree?
398
00:18:17,291 --> 00:18:20,163
Well, for what it's worth,
that's not what I heard.
399
00:18:20,207 --> 00:18:23,210
I heard her communicate--
400
00:18:23,253 --> 00:18:25,821
and rather effectively,
I might add--
401
00:18:25,864 --> 00:18:28,215
the impact your show had
on her life.
402
00:18:28,258 --> 00:18:31,174
And, by extension,
her late husband's life.
403
00:18:31,218 --> 00:18:34,351
That is what they heard.
404
00:18:34,395 --> 00:18:37,180
Let's not confuse things,
Madeline.
405
00:18:37,224 --> 00:18:41,141
Jury's not here to litigate
her late husband's guilt.
406
00:18:41,184 --> 00:18:42,751
They're here to litigate yours.
407
00:18:42,794 --> 00:18:45,797
I'm guilty of nothing.
408
00:18:45,841 --> 00:18:47,277
I've killed no one.
409
00:18:47,321 --> 00:18:49,714
All I've done is exercise
my First Amendment rights,
410
00:18:49,758 --> 00:18:53,196
and, um, last time I checked,
that's not a crime.
411
00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,982
So, don't youconfuse things.
412
00:18:57,026 --> 00:19:00,072
And don't forget
who you're here to defend.
413
00:19:02,074 --> 00:19:02,249
[sighs]
414
00:19:07,819 --> 00:19:10,474
Dr. Soto,
will you please tell the court
415
00:19:10,518 --> 00:19:12,346
what it is you do?
416
00:19:12,389 --> 00:19:14,043
I'm a licensed psychiatrist
417
00:19:14,086 --> 00:19:15,305
in the state of New York
418
00:19:15,349 --> 00:19:17,177
in private practice
in Westchester County,
419
00:19:17,220 --> 00:19:19,962
and until his death,
I saw Jeremy Brennan once a week
420
00:19:20,005 --> 00:19:22,573
for the past...
just about four years.
421
00:19:22,617 --> 00:19:24,923
And can you give the court
some idea
422
00:19:24,967 --> 00:19:27,361
why you were seeing
the late Mr. Brennan
423
00:19:27,404 --> 00:19:28,797
these past four years?
424
00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:30,973
SOTO:Well, without going
into too much detail,
425
00:19:31,016 --> 00:19:34,237
what brought Mr. Brennan
into my office was his struggle
426
00:19:34,281 --> 00:19:36,544
with issues
involving generalized anxiety.
427
00:19:36,587 --> 00:19:39,895
The stresses involved
with running your own business.
428
00:19:39,938 --> 00:19:41,157
Pretty run-of-the-mill stuff.
429
00:19:41,201 --> 00:19:44,595
And can you talk
about the impact
430
00:19:44,639 --> 00:19:46,554
Kaylee's death had on him?
431
00:19:46,597 --> 00:19:50,253
He was, uh, shattered.
432
00:19:50,297 --> 00:19:52,212
Destroyed.
433
00:19:52,255 --> 00:19:55,650
Uh, wanted to be
this strong anchor for his wife,
434
00:19:55,693 --> 00:19:57,304
who obviously was devastated,
435
00:19:57,347 --> 00:19:59,610
and felt ashamed
that he couldn't do it.
436
00:19:59,654 --> 00:20:01,221
Couldn't function.
437
00:20:01,264 --> 00:20:04,833
And then there was the
whole issue of responsibility.
438
00:20:04,876 --> 00:20:07,314
Tracy was at work,
he was at home.
439
00:20:07,357 --> 00:20:10,404
The way he explained it
to me was, he could have
440
00:20:10,447 --> 00:20:12,362
just as easily been there,
been at the house,
441
00:20:12,406 --> 00:20:13,929
maybe stopped it from happening.
442
00:20:13,972 --> 00:20:15,931
But he was riding his bike.
443
00:20:15,974 --> 00:20:19,282
At one of our last sessions,
he told me
444
00:20:19,326 --> 00:20:21,066
it was an incredibly
beautiful ride.
445
00:20:21,110 --> 00:20:24,766
And at the time,
it gave him enormous pleasure.
446
00:20:24,809 --> 00:20:26,333
And he really had trouble
understanding
447
00:20:26,376 --> 00:20:29,292
how he could experience
so much pleasure
448
00:20:29,336 --> 00:20:33,644
when someone he loved so deeply
was experiencing so much horror.
449
00:20:33,688 --> 00:20:35,733
Your Honor,
we mean no disrespect,
450
00:20:35,777 --> 00:20:37,344
but it's hard
to see the relevance
451
00:20:37,387 --> 00:20:38,910
of any of this testimony,
452
00:20:38,954 --> 00:20:41,261
what bearing it has
on the case at hand.
453
00:20:41,304 --> 00:20:42,697
GODFORD:Your Honor, we believe
it's essential
454
00:20:42,740 --> 00:20:43,959
for the jury
to understand
455
00:20:44,002 --> 00:20:45,743
Mr. Brennan's state of mind
456
00:20:45,787 --> 00:20:47,789
before Ms. McBride turned him
457
00:20:47,832 --> 00:20:50,226
into the focus
of her broadcasts,
458
00:20:50,270 --> 00:20:54,186
so they may better understand
the impact she had on him.
459
00:20:54,230 --> 00:20:56,188
I agree,
460
00:20:56,232 --> 00:20:58,626
but I feel confident
that you've done that.
461
00:20:58,669 --> 00:21:00,889
If we could please
462
00:21:00,932 --> 00:21:02,934
move it along.GODFORD:
Beg the court's pardon.
463
00:21:02,978 --> 00:21:05,633
If I could just ask
one last question...
464
00:21:05,676 --> 00:21:07,330
Your Honor......about the days before
465
00:21:07,374 --> 00:21:11,421
Ms. McBride made him the
centerpiece of her broadcasts?
466
00:21:11,465 --> 00:21:13,510
One.
467
00:21:13,554 --> 00:21:15,120
But keep it brief.
468
00:21:15,164 --> 00:21:17,209
GODFORD:
During that period,
469
00:21:17,253 --> 00:21:20,256
immediately after
Kaylee's death
470
00:21:20,300 --> 00:21:23,390
but before Ms. McBride made him
topic number one
471
00:21:23,433 --> 00:21:28,351
on her television show, did
he seem at all to you suicidal?
472
00:21:28,395 --> 00:21:30,005
As his doctor,
473
00:21:30,048 --> 00:21:33,225
were you ever really concerned
about his safety?
474
00:21:33,269 --> 00:21:34,270
No.
475
00:21:34,314 --> 00:21:37,012
He was depressed. He was angry.
476
00:21:37,055 --> 00:21:39,057
He couldn't sleep or eat.
477
00:21:39,101 --> 00:21:40,755
But he was also very clear
478
00:21:40,798 --> 00:21:42,713
that he had to be there
for his wife.
479
00:21:42,757 --> 00:21:44,802
GODFORD:
I see. And after
480
00:21:44,846 --> 00:21:47,501
he was implicated
by Ms. McBride?
481
00:21:47,544 --> 00:21:48,937
That was the first time I saw
482
00:21:48,980 --> 00:21:51,548
anything even resembling
suicidal ideation.
483
00:21:51,592 --> 00:21:54,725
She was on television
every night
484
00:21:54,769 --> 00:21:56,466
implying awful things.
485
00:21:56,510 --> 00:21:58,555
The unrelenting tweets.
486
00:21:58,599 --> 00:22:00,862
The phone calls
in the middle of the night.
487
00:22:00,905 --> 00:22:02,646
The brick
through the window.
488
00:22:02,690 --> 00:22:06,476
This rally she wanted to have
across from his house.
489
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,261
I wish I hadn't been so timid
about it.
490
00:22:09,305 --> 00:22:11,655
I wish I really had pushed
491
00:22:11,699 --> 00:22:14,484
to have him hospitalized.
492
00:22:14,528 --> 00:22:16,921
Nothing further, Your Honor.
493
00:22:16,965 --> 00:22:19,141
[clears throat]
494
00:22:21,099 --> 00:22:24,233
BENNY:
Hello, Dr. Soto.
495
00:22:24,276 --> 00:22:26,278
So...
496
00:22:26,322 --> 00:22:30,021
Are you familiar
with the concept of correlation
497
00:22:30,065 --> 00:22:32,850
and how it's often confused
with causation?
498
00:22:32,894 --> 00:22:34,852
I'm familiar with it, yes.
499
00:22:34,896 --> 00:22:36,288
BENNY:
That even if there is
500
00:22:36,332 --> 00:22:39,204
a correlation
between Ms. McBride's actions
501
00:22:39,248 --> 00:22:42,207
and Jeremy Brennan's
depression and mental distress,
502
00:22:42,251 --> 00:22:44,949
well,
that doesn't prove causation.
503
00:22:44,993 --> 00:22:48,431
No one knows for sure
why Jeremy Brennan
504
00:22:48,475 --> 00:22:50,477
did what he did.
505
00:22:51,347 --> 00:22:55,307
You don't know why Mr. Brennan
did what he did, do you?
506
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:00,356
The witness will answer
507
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,140
the question, please.BENNY:
Oh, that's okay,
508
00:23:02,184 --> 00:23:04,142
Your Honor. [chuckles]
That's all right.
509
00:23:04,186 --> 00:23:06,536
I-I think the jury gets it.
510
00:23:06,580 --> 00:23:10,801
They know if the doctor, uh,
was certain about any of this,
511
00:23:10,845 --> 00:23:14,326
she would have absolutely had
Mr. Brennan hospitalized.
512
00:23:14,370 --> 00:23:16,372
A-And not just thought about it.
513
00:23:16,416 --> 00:23:19,549
You know, like, done it.
Made it happen.
514
00:23:19,593 --> 00:23:22,813
But she wasn't certain.
515
00:23:22,857 --> 00:23:24,511
Were you?
516
00:23:25,512 --> 00:23:27,165
No.
517
00:23:27,209 --> 00:23:31,474
Okay, so, let's get back
to correlation and causation.
518
00:23:31,518 --> 00:23:33,998
To the best of your knowledge,
did my client
519
00:23:34,042 --> 00:23:37,611
tell Jeremy Brennan
to get on social media?
520
00:23:37,654 --> 00:23:39,613
No, not that I'm aware of.
521
00:23:39,656 --> 00:23:41,310
And, for that matter,
did my client
522
00:23:41,353 --> 00:23:45,053
ever force Jeremy Brennan
to watch her TV show?
523
00:23:45,096 --> 00:23:48,360
No, I-I can't imagine she did.
524
00:23:48,404 --> 00:23:50,885
I can't imagine that, either.
525
00:23:50,928 --> 00:23:52,756
Thank you.
526
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,410
No further questions,
Your Honor.
527
00:23:54,454 --> 00:23:56,630
I need you to answer the door,
Marissa.
528
00:23:56,673 --> 00:23:58,501
What? Answer the door?
What are you talking about?
529
00:23:58,545 --> 00:23:59,850
What door?
530
00:23:59,894 --> 00:24:02,070
Answer the door, Marissa.
531
00:24:03,550 --> 00:24:05,029
Doubt has arrived.
532
00:24:10,687 --> 00:24:13,560
Morning. Um, any way
we could have a chat?
533
00:24:13,603 --> 00:24:15,039
Sure.
534
00:24:15,083 --> 00:24:17,041
What's up?
535
00:24:17,085 --> 00:24:19,696
Um, I need a favor.
536
00:24:19,740 --> 00:24:22,525
My father passed away
earlier this week.
537
00:24:22,569 --> 00:24:25,180
Oh, God, I...
Danny, I'm so sorry.
538
00:24:25,223 --> 00:24:27,095
Were you close?
539
00:24:27,138 --> 00:24:29,314
I barely knew him.
540
00:24:30,620 --> 00:24:34,363
Well, that's not true.
I knew him.
541
00:24:35,582 --> 00:24:37,366
And I loved him.
542
00:24:37,409 --> 00:24:39,673
But he left us--
uh, my mom and me--
543
00:24:39,716 --> 00:24:41,588
right before
I went into the police academy.
544
00:24:41,631 --> 00:24:45,243
No goodbye. Nothing. Just, uh,
came home from school one day,
545
00:24:45,287 --> 00:24:47,768
and he was... he was gone.
546
00:24:47,811 --> 00:24:50,161
Took off with some woman.
547
00:24:51,511 --> 00:24:54,296
I haven't spoken to him
in 15 years.
548
00:24:54,339 --> 00:24:56,341
So the point is, um,
549
00:24:56,385 --> 00:24:59,301
I, uh, I hired a-a company
550
00:24:59,344 --> 00:25:01,782
to go into his apartment
and box up all his things.
551
00:25:01,825 --> 00:25:04,219
Get them out of there
so the, uh, the landlord
552
00:25:04,262 --> 00:25:05,786
can get the place ready
for a new tenant.
553
00:25:05,829 --> 00:25:07,396
Anyway,
554
00:25:07,439 --> 00:25:09,267
um, they just called,
555
00:25:09,311 --> 00:25:13,315
and apparently,
it's about 20-some boxes.
556
00:25:13,358 --> 00:25:15,883
And I just don't have
enough room
557
00:25:15,926 --> 00:25:18,886
for all that stuff
in my tiny apartment, so...
558
00:25:18,929 --> 00:25:21,758
Is there any way
that I could store them here,
559
00:25:21,802 --> 00:25:23,673
out of the way?
560
00:25:23,717 --> 00:25:25,675
[knock on door]
561
00:25:25,719 --> 00:25:28,460
MAN:
Judge is on his way out.We're coming.
562
00:25:28,504 --> 00:25:31,072
After the other side
questions me,
563
00:25:31,115 --> 00:25:33,770
you get to question me,
too, right?
564
00:25:33,814 --> 00:25:35,467
Yes. That's how it works.
565
00:25:35,511 --> 00:25:36,991
Okay. For your last question,
566
00:25:37,034 --> 00:25:40,037
just make sure you ask me
how I got into all of this.
567
00:25:40,081 --> 00:25:42,910
What makes me care so deeply
for victims of crime.
568
00:25:42,953 --> 00:25:47,436
What makes me care so deeply
for people like Kaylee.
569
00:25:47,479 --> 00:25:49,525
Hmm?
570
00:25:50,787 --> 00:25:52,267
[door opens]
571
00:25:52,310 --> 00:25:54,748
McBRIDE:
No evidence of forced entry.
572
00:25:54,791 --> 00:25:57,620
No real alibi
for the time period
573
00:25:57,664 --> 00:26:00,580
during which Kaylee was
sexually assaulted and murdered.
574
00:26:00,623 --> 00:26:03,539
I mean, he claimed
he went on a bike ride,
575
00:26:03,583 --> 00:26:05,454
but no one
actually saw him.
576
00:26:05,497 --> 00:26:07,456
[chuckles]:
So, he just seemed
577
00:26:07,499 --> 00:26:10,372
like someone that you would want
to get answers from.
578
00:26:10,415 --> 00:26:14,071
You know what they say
about walking like a duck.
579
00:26:14,115 --> 00:26:16,291
SULLIVAN:
Any more questions
580
00:26:16,334 --> 00:26:17,466
for this witness, Counselor?
581
00:26:17,509 --> 00:26:20,295
Yes, Your Honor. Just one more.
582
00:26:21,078 --> 00:26:22,906
So,
583
00:26:22,950 --> 00:26:24,995
Ms. McBride,
584
00:26:25,039 --> 00:26:26,823
we've all
585
00:26:26,867 --> 00:26:28,433
seen you on television.
586
00:26:28,477 --> 00:26:31,219
We've all seen you in action.
587
00:26:31,262 --> 00:26:34,788
So, how did you come to this?
588
00:26:34,831 --> 00:26:38,835
How did you come to be
a champion of justice?
589
00:26:38,879 --> 00:26:42,578
A champion of victims
like Kaylee?
590
00:26:45,668 --> 00:26:48,628
Like a lot of things in life...
591
00:26:50,107 --> 00:26:52,457
...you never see it coming.
592
00:26:54,024 --> 00:26:55,286
20 years ago,
593
00:26:55,330 --> 00:26:57,941
I was married.
594
00:26:57,985 --> 00:27:00,465
I was living in Indiana.
595
00:27:00,509 --> 00:27:02,250
It was, like...
596
00:27:02,293 --> 00:27:06,471
nine or ten weeks after 9/11.
597
00:27:06,515 --> 00:27:09,170
It was Black Friday.
598
00:27:09,213 --> 00:27:11,694
I was doing my patriotic duty
599
00:27:11,738 --> 00:27:14,262
by getting some
early Christmas shopping done.
600
00:27:14,305 --> 00:27:16,830
And my three-year-old,
601
00:27:16,873 --> 00:27:19,571
David...
602
00:27:20,572 --> 00:27:23,358
He was at that in-between age.
603
00:27:23,401 --> 00:27:26,622
You know,
they want to be carried,
604
00:27:26,666 --> 00:27:29,494
and, oh, no,
they want to walk on their own
605
00:27:29,538 --> 00:27:30,844
or they want to hold your hand.
606
00:27:30,887 --> 00:27:33,629
It's like, no, no,
they want to be free.
607
00:27:35,152 --> 00:27:37,938
Anyway, my husband
at the time
608
00:27:37,981 --> 00:27:40,549
was in some other part
of the mall.
609
00:27:40,592 --> 00:27:44,814
And I saw
out of the corner of my eye
610
00:27:44,858 --> 00:27:47,643
this robot pet
611
00:27:47,687 --> 00:27:50,907
that was so popular that year.
612
00:27:50,951 --> 00:27:54,215
I mean,
it was sold out everywhere.
613
00:27:54,258 --> 00:27:57,392
[chuckles softly]
And then there it was.
614
00:27:57,435 --> 00:28:02,049
Magically, right in front of me.
615
00:28:02,092 --> 00:28:05,008
So, I grabbed David's hand,
616
00:28:05,052 --> 00:28:08,011
and we walked over
to where they were.
617
00:28:09,709 --> 00:28:13,451
I remember that the aisle
618
00:28:13,495 --> 00:28:17,978
was so very crowded.
619
00:28:18,021 --> 00:28:21,285
People and shopping carts
620
00:28:21,329 --> 00:28:24,027
and winter clothes.
621
00:28:24,071 --> 00:28:25,420
[sniffles]
622
00:28:25,463 --> 00:28:28,423
[crying]:
It seems so stupid now.
623
00:28:30,817 --> 00:28:32,340
Anyway...
624
00:28:34,385 --> 00:28:36,039
I grabbed the toy,
625
00:28:36,083 --> 00:28:38,389
and then I realized that I...
626
00:28:38,433 --> 00:28:40,914
I didn't want David to see it.
627
00:28:40,957 --> 00:28:42,916
I didn't want him to know
628
00:28:42,959 --> 00:28:47,355
that Mommy was getting him
the toy and not Santa.
629
00:28:47,398 --> 00:28:51,011
So I switched hands
for a second.
630
00:28:51,054 --> 00:28:53,013
And...
631
00:28:53,056 --> 00:28:55,319
And then I looked down.
632
00:29:00,847 --> 00:29:03,023
He wasn't there.
633
00:29:04,154 --> 00:29:07,114
You can figure out the rest.
634
00:29:07,157 --> 00:29:09,464
It was, like,
me, my husband,
635
00:29:09,507 --> 00:29:13,816
the police--
we were all over that mall
636
00:29:13,860 --> 00:29:16,471
until they locked the doors
637
00:29:16,514 --> 00:29:19,474
and made us leave.
638
00:29:22,564 --> 00:29:25,523
[crying]:
He was just...
639
00:29:27,003 --> 00:29:29,527
...gone.
640
00:29:30,354 --> 00:29:32,574
BENNY:
I'm so sorry.
641
00:29:33,357 --> 00:29:35,838
I was desperate,
642
00:29:35,882 --> 00:29:37,927
so...
643
00:29:37,971 --> 00:29:39,842
I went to the media.
644
00:29:39,886 --> 00:29:42,192
I didn't even know
what the media was.
645
00:29:42,236 --> 00:29:44,455
But...
646
00:29:44,499 --> 00:29:48,068
I wanted David's picture
647
00:29:48,111 --> 00:29:51,723
and his name everywhere.
648
00:29:51,767 --> 00:29:56,511
You know, just in case
somebody saw him.
649
00:29:57,294 --> 00:30:01,255
And I-I wouldn't let up.
650
00:30:01,298 --> 00:30:04,171
Not even after my husband
651
00:30:04,214 --> 00:30:06,738
stopped speaking to me.
652
00:30:08,523 --> 00:30:11,178
Not even after he left me.
653
00:30:11,221 --> 00:30:13,006
But...
654
00:30:14,224 --> 00:30:15,486
[whimpers, sniffles]
655
00:30:15,530 --> 00:30:19,490
I just couldn't stop.
656
00:30:23,407 --> 00:30:25,627
My son's...
657
00:30:25,670 --> 00:30:30,023
body washed up
on the shore of the Patoka Lake
658
00:30:30,066 --> 00:30:32,155
a few weeks later.
659
00:30:32,199 --> 00:30:34,288
And...
660
00:30:34,331 --> 00:30:37,987
I guess everyone figured
661
00:30:38,031 --> 00:30:40,076
that was that.
662
00:30:43,079 --> 00:30:45,821
But not for me.
663
00:30:45,865 --> 00:30:49,738
I went everywhere
there was a microphone.
664
00:30:49,781 --> 00:30:52,393
Uh, radio stations.
665
00:30:52,436 --> 00:30:53,742
Colleges.
666
00:30:53,785 --> 00:30:57,789
I just... I kept pushing
667
00:30:57,833 --> 00:31:01,576
because I wanted the scalp
668
00:31:01,619 --> 00:31:05,319
of the man who kidnapped
669
00:31:05,362 --> 00:31:08,452
my son and murdered him.
670
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,065
And then, finally...
671
00:31:14,632 --> 00:31:16,896
I got it.
672
00:31:21,117 --> 00:31:22,945
The police found him.
673
00:31:22,989 --> 00:31:25,730
'Cause, you know,
they never dared stop looking
674
00:31:25,774 --> 00:31:29,473
'cause I was screaming
from the rooftops.
675
00:31:32,302 --> 00:31:35,044
I got justice.
676
00:31:39,353 --> 00:31:41,833
I speak for the dead.
677
00:31:43,574 --> 00:31:46,708
Like my son.
678
00:31:51,582 --> 00:31:53,976
And like Kaylee.
679
00:31:57,371 --> 00:31:58,981
Told you I knew
what I was doing.
680
00:31:59,025 --> 00:32:01,027
That was quite a piece
of testimony.
681
00:32:01,070 --> 00:32:02,811
Any of it true?
682
00:32:03,768 --> 00:32:05,988
Yeah, step on in.
Close the door?
683
00:32:09,035 --> 00:32:13,300
I'm here to inform you that WNN
is withdrawing from the case.
684
00:32:13,343 --> 00:32:14,910
Excuse me?
685
00:32:14,954 --> 00:32:16,781
Also that our lawyers are
on the phone with your lawyers
686
00:32:16,825 --> 00:32:17,913
negotiating the dissolution
687
00:32:17,957 --> 00:32:19,262
of your contract
with our network.
688
00:32:19,306 --> 00:32:21,656
As of now,
you are off the air, Madeline.
689
00:32:21,699 --> 00:32:23,875
What's going on?
690
00:32:23,919 --> 00:32:25,573
The man who killed Kaylee?
691
00:32:25,616 --> 00:32:27,096
They caught him
about an hour ago.
692
00:32:27,140 --> 00:32:28,576
Confessed to everything.
693
00:32:28,619 --> 00:32:29,881
What are you talking about?
694
00:32:29,925 --> 00:32:31,840
The man who killed Kaylee
was her stepfather.
695
00:32:31,883 --> 00:32:33,494
No, he wasn't.
696
00:32:33,537 --> 00:32:36,279
Look, the word is starting to
get out, and people are starting
697
00:32:36,323 --> 00:32:37,628
to gather
in front of the courthouse.
698
00:32:37,672 --> 00:32:38,978
They're looking for you.
699
00:32:39,021 --> 00:32:40,109
So I'd arrange for
some extra security
700
00:32:40,153 --> 00:32:43,025
to get her out
of here? Yeah?
701
00:32:51,294 --> 00:32:52,948
DANNY: The killer was a
man named Wayne Dixon.
702
00:32:52,992 --> 00:32:54,254
He was working
a construction job
703
00:32:54,297 --> 00:32:56,256
down the street
from the Brennan home.
704
00:32:56,299 --> 00:32:59,999
Dixon had apparently targeted
Kaylee a few weeks earlier.
705
00:33:00,042 --> 00:33:01,304
He was watching
the house
706
00:33:01,348 --> 00:33:03,089
and saw Jeremy ride
away on his bike.
707
00:33:03,132 --> 00:33:04,829
Dixon claims he
approached the house,
708
00:33:04,873 --> 00:33:06,657
said he was a friend
of Kaylee's dad,
709
00:33:06,701 --> 00:33:08,833
and she let him in,
710
00:33:08,877 --> 00:33:11,662
which is why there is
no evidence of forced entry.
711
00:33:11,706 --> 00:33:14,056
Is there anything in there
712
00:33:14,100 --> 00:33:15,840
about how the police knew
713
00:33:15,884 --> 00:33:17,320
to question Dixon
in the first place?
714
00:33:17,364 --> 00:33:19,192
How did he come
to their attention?
715
00:33:19,235 --> 00:33:21,846
Well, according to this,
they got a tip.
716
00:33:21,890 --> 00:33:24,458
Dixon's girlfriend. Why?
717
00:33:24,501 --> 00:33:26,547
We're in court at 11:00.
718
00:33:26,590 --> 00:33:29,202
See if you can find
the girlfriend.
719
00:33:29,245 --> 00:33:31,552
See if you can get her
on the phone with me.
720
00:33:31,595 --> 00:33:34,207
Ms. James, stacked all
the boxes downstairs
721
00:33:34,250 --> 00:33:35,556
in that courtroom
like you told me.
722
00:33:35,599 --> 00:33:37,427
[exhales] Thanks so much
for all your help.
723
00:33:37,471 --> 00:33:39,473
And I almost forgot.
The person who helped pack up
724
00:33:39,516 --> 00:33:42,258
your dad's things wanted me
to give you this.
725
00:33:42,302 --> 00:33:43,433
Thanks.
726
00:33:43,477 --> 00:33:45,522
Have a great day.
727
00:33:46,436 --> 00:33:48,830
BENNY:
Good morning, Ms. Cowley.
728
00:33:48,873 --> 00:33:52,964
Now, could you please
tell the court what it was
729
00:33:53,008 --> 00:33:54,227
that prompted you
to call the police
730
00:33:54,270 --> 00:33:55,924
on your boyfriend
Wayne Dixon?
731
00:33:55,967 --> 00:33:57,447
Uh, yeah, I-I don't know.
732
00:33:57,491 --> 00:34:01,234
Um, Wayne was working
construction in Westchester,
733
00:34:01,277 --> 00:34:04,063
and, uh, since he started,
734
00:34:04,106 --> 00:34:06,891
he just seemed different,
distant,
735
00:34:06,935 --> 00:34:08,763
you know,
like he was preoccupied
736
00:34:08,806 --> 00:34:11,026
with something or-or someone.
737
00:34:11,070 --> 00:34:13,463
And then,
a few nights later,
738
00:34:13,507 --> 00:34:17,250
I found him out back,
burning his clothes.
739
00:34:17,293 --> 00:34:20,514
I mean,
why would you burn your clothes?
740
00:34:20,557 --> 00:34:24,300
He said he got some type of
toxic chemical on them at work.
741
00:34:24,344 --> 00:34:28,130
But he does framing
and drywall. I-I don't know.
742
00:34:28,174 --> 00:34:30,393
It just... it didn't seem right
to me.
743
00:34:30,437 --> 00:34:32,743
Now, is that when
you phoned the police?
744
00:34:32,787 --> 00:34:36,138
Uh, no, no, not yet.
745
00:34:36,182 --> 00:34:41,230
Um, what really got me thinking
was, all of a sudden,
746
00:34:41,274 --> 00:34:43,798
he wanted to start watching
Madeline McBride's show
747
00:34:43,841 --> 00:34:45,104
with me all of a sudden.
748
00:34:45,147 --> 00:34:47,628
Like, he never wanted
to watch that show before.
749
00:34:47,671 --> 00:34:50,761
He did not like her.
750
00:34:50,805 --> 00:34:52,241
No offense.
751
00:34:52,285 --> 00:34:54,983
I'm sorry. I-I love you,
and I love your show so much.
752
00:34:55,026 --> 00:34:56,680
BULL:
Go,
753
00:34:56,724 --> 00:34:58,160
Quasimodo.Um...
754
00:34:58,204 --> 00:35:01,032
So, anyway, he started
watching it with me.
755
00:35:01,076 --> 00:35:03,426
And whenever
she'd bring up the case,
756
00:35:03,470 --> 00:35:07,038
he'd always say how he was
working in that neighborhood
757
00:35:07,082 --> 00:35:10,738
and he knew the house that
she was talking about, and...
758
00:35:10,781 --> 00:35:13,349
BENNY:And did you know
your boyfriend was interested
759
00:35:13,393 --> 00:35:15,656
in prepubescent girls?
760
00:35:15,699 --> 00:35:18,224
[voice breaking]:
I don't know.
761
00:35:19,573 --> 00:35:21,836
We never talked about it.
762
00:35:24,186 --> 00:35:29,191
But... whenever we were
at the beach or at the park...
763
00:35:29,235 --> 00:35:31,062
[sniffles]
764
00:35:31,106 --> 00:35:33,587
...I thought
I always saw him looking.
765
00:35:35,589 --> 00:35:38,766
Then I thought
maybe it was just in my mind.
766
00:35:39,897 --> 00:35:42,161
And what did you tell the police
when you called them?
767
00:35:42,204 --> 00:35:43,988
I knew from her show
768
00:35:44,032 --> 00:35:47,514
that Kaylee had DNA on her
that hadn't been identified.
769
00:35:47,557 --> 00:35:51,300
So, I called them,
and I offered Wayne's hairbrush.
770
00:35:51,344 --> 00:35:53,824
And how did you know to do that?
771
00:35:53,868 --> 00:35:55,304
From her show.
772
00:35:55,348 --> 00:35:58,220
She talked about how DNA
from a hairbrush caught a killer
773
00:35:58,264 --> 00:36:01,136
she was profiling
a couple years back.
774
00:36:01,963 --> 00:36:06,315
Well, it's lucky
you watched her show.
775
00:36:06,359 --> 00:36:07,882
Did you know that tips
776
00:36:07,925 --> 00:36:11,015
from Ms. McBride's viewers
have helped
777
00:36:11,059 --> 00:36:13,757
in solving
over one hundred cases
778
00:36:13,801 --> 00:36:16,151
since the show first aired?
779
00:36:16,195 --> 00:36:18,240
No.
780
00:36:18,284 --> 00:36:20,416
I just think she's really smart
781
00:36:20,460 --> 00:36:22,636
and cool.
782
00:36:22,679 --> 00:36:26,074
Just really good at her job.
783
00:36:26,901 --> 00:36:27,728
[quietly]:
Sanctuary.
784
00:36:29,773 --> 00:36:32,036
[sighs]
785
00:36:44,571 --> 00:36:49,663
"Dear Danny James, you don't
know me, but my name is Devon.
786
00:36:49,706 --> 00:36:53,014
"Some years ago,
I got to know your father.
787
00:36:53,057 --> 00:36:56,017
"We met and fell
in love in New York,
788
00:36:56,060 --> 00:36:58,454
"and eventually,
I convinced him
789
00:36:58,498 --> 00:37:02,545
"to come live with me
in Louisiana where I'm from.
790
00:37:02,589 --> 00:37:07,071
"I did not know at the time
about you or your mother.
791
00:37:07,115 --> 00:37:11,728
"Three months after we settled
down in Louisiana,
792
00:37:11,772 --> 00:37:15,166
"your father confessed to me
about the family he had left.
793
00:37:15,210 --> 00:37:18,169
"Told me that he could no longer bear the guilt
794
00:37:18,213 --> 00:37:20,911
"and needed to go back to you.
795
00:37:20,955 --> 00:37:24,437
"I did not stand in his way.
796
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,135
"He told me
when he got to New York,
797
00:37:27,178 --> 00:37:29,355
"your mother refused
to speak to him.
798
00:37:29,398 --> 00:37:32,053
"Warned him that if he
tried to make contact with you
799
00:37:32,096 --> 00:37:34,447
"that she would kill him.
800
00:37:36,449 --> 00:37:38,712
"He told me he found
a small apartment
801
00:37:38,755 --> 00:37:41,062
"and got a job working
teaching physical education
802
00:37:41,105 --> 00:37:42,933
"at an art school.
803
00:37:42,977 --> 00:37:46,110
"Even taught himself to sketch.
804
00:37:46,154 --> 00:37:49,549
"Over the years he tried
to build up the courage
805
00:37:49,592 --> 00:37:51,594
"to reach out to you,
806
00:37:51,638 --> 00:37:54,075
"but he told me he was
so filled with guilt
807
00:37:54,118 --> 00:37:56,556
"and shame for leaving you,
808
00:37:56,599 --> 00:37:58,340
"he just couldn't do it.
809
00:37:58,384 --> 00:38:03,084
"And then one day,
he was looking out his window,
810
00:38:03,127 --> 00:38:04,607
"and there you were.
811
00:38:04,651 --> 00:38:06,130
"Walking by.
812
00:38:06,174 --> 00:38:07,349
"He figured you were probably
making your way home
813
00:38:07,393 --> 00:38:09,177
"from the police academy.
814
00:38:09,220 --> 00:38:13,050
"He said he saw you maybe ten
or 20 times from that window,
815
00:38:13,094 --> 00:38:14,835
"but then, no more.
816
00:38:16,227 --> 00:38:18,969
"I didn't hear from your father again for many years.
817
00:38:19,013 --> 00:38:22,233
"And then about three weeks ago, he called
818
00:38:22,277 --> 00:38:24,627
"to tell me he was very sick.
819
00:38:24,671 --> 00:38:27,456
"I flew to New York,
but by the time
820
00:38:27,500 --> 00:38:29,502
"I got there he was already
in the hospital.
821
00:38:29,545 --> 00:38:34,637
So I'm writing to let you
know what he told me.
822
00:38:34,681 --> 00:38:38,293
"That he wanted you to know
he was terribly sorry.
823
00:38:39,207 --> 00:38:41,165
"And he wanted you to know
824
00:38:41,209 --> 00:38:43,385
he loved you."
825
00:38:51,350 --> 00:38:53,352
[sniffles]
826
00:38:53,395 --> 00:38:57,138
BENNY:
Jeremy Brennan's suicide is
827
00:38:57,181 --> 00:38:59,619
undeniably tragic.
828
00:38:59,662 --> 00:39:02,578
And no one will ever
know with certainty
829
00:39:02,622 --> 00:39:05,538
why he decided
to take his own life.
830
00:39:06,930 --> 00:39:09,716
But you know what we do know
with certainty?
831
00:39:10,281 --> 00:39:12,980
That Kaylee's killer was caught.
832
00:39:13,023 --> 00:39:15,983
And that's,
at least in part, due
833
00:39:16,026 --> 00:39:18,202
to Madeline McBride...
834
00:39:18,246 --> 00:39:21,380
for keeping
Kaylee's story alive.
835
00:39:22,337 --> 00:39:25,645
But she was only able to do it
836
00:39:25,688 --> 00:39:29,518
because her freedom of speech
allowed her to do it.
837
00:39:29,562 --> 00:39:32,129
See, that's the tricky thing
about freedom of speech.
838
00:39:32,173 --> 00:39:33,957
It-it cuts both ways.
839
00:39:34,001 --> 00:39:36,873
See, people have the freedom
840
00:39:36,917 --> 00:39:40,181
to say whatever it is
they want to say.
841
00:39:40,224 --> 00:39:43,097
And everyone else has
the freedom, uh,
842
00:39:43,140 --> 00:39:45,708
not to listen, not to believe
843
00:39:45,752 --> 00:39:47,493
and to do their own research
844
00:39:47,536 --> 00:39:49,843
and come up
with their own conclusions.
845
00:39:49,886 --> 00:39:52,062
I mean, that's
what Carla Cowley did.
846
00:39:52,106 --> 00:39:53,499
You heard her.
847
00:39:53,542 --> 00:39:55,588
She loved that woman.
848
00:39:55,631 --> 00:39:58,068
But she did not
let the fact
849
00:39:58,112 --> 00:40:00,375
that for over
a month, she heard
850
00:40:00,419 --> 00:40:03,900
Madeline McBride,
who thought that Jeremy Brennan
851
00:40:03,944 --> 00:40:05,336
probably committed the murder,
852
00:40:05,380 --> 00:40:07,295
stop her from picking up
the phone
853
00:40:07,338 --> 00:40:09,863
and calling the police
when she was convinced
854
00:40:09,906 --> 00:40:12,518
my client was mistaken.
855
00:40:12,561 --> 00:40:14,476
Look, I...
856
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,217
I get it.
857
00:40:16,260 --> 00:40:18,480
Okay? I get it.
She was...
858
00:40:18,524 --> 00:40:19,873
she was wrong.
859
00:40:19,916 --> 00:40:21,222
Wrong on the facts.
860
00:40:21,265 --> 00:40:23,006
Unnecessarily harsh.
861
00:40:23,050 --> 00:40:25,052
And there were times
I felt that she took
862
00:40:25,095 --> 00:40:27,184
way too much pleasure
863
00:40:27,228 --> 00:40:30,492
in her ongoing campaign
against Jeremy Brennan.
864
00:40:31,711 --> 00:40:33,321
But you know what?
865
00:40:33,364 --> 00:40:36,542
That is not against the law.
866
00:40:36,585 --> 00:40:39,066
And the problem is...
867
00:40:39,109 --> 00:40:41,198
if you don't stand up
868
00:40:41,242 --> 00:40:44,245
for the people you don't
necessarily agree with
869
00:40:44,288 --> 00:40:46,377
when someone is trying
to silence them,
870
00:40:46,421 --> 00:40:50,033
then there might not be
the right to free speech left
871
00:40:50,077 --> 00:40:53,689
when they go after the people
you doagree with.
872
00:40:53,733 --> 00:40:56,866
WOMAN:
In the matter
ofTracy Brennan v.
873
00:40:56,910 --> 00:40:58,738
Madeline McBrideand the claim
874
00:40:58,781 --> 00:41:01,392
of intentional infliction
of emotional distress...
875
00:41:01,436 --> 00:41:04,352
we, the jury,
find Madeline McBride
876
00:41:04,395 --> 00:41:06,136
liable.[Tracy gasping]
877
00:41:08,182 --> 00:41:10,532
And we award
Tracy Brennan damages
878
00:41:10,576 --> 00:41:13,622
in the amount of two
and one half million dollars.
879
00:41:15,363 --> 00:41:16,930
SULLIVAN: Ladies and
gentlemen of the jury,
880
00:41:16,973 --> 00:41:18,801
thank you for
your service.
881
00:41:18,845 --> 00:41:21,325
Court is adjourned.
882
00:41:24,328 --> 00:41:27,288
Ms. McBride.
I'm very sorry.
883
00:41:27,331 --> 00:41:30,247
Don't be, you
did your best.
884
00:41:32,989 --> 00:41:34,556
But you lost your job.
885
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:36,471
You're about to get
a boatload of bad publicity.
886
00:41:36,515 --> 00:41:39,039
And today is gonna cost you
two and a half million dollars.
887
00:41:39,082 --> 00:41:41,128
Help me understand.
888
00:41:41,171 --> 00:41:43,217
You seem to have made your peace
889
00:41:43,260 --> 00:41:45,480
with this rather quickly.
890
00:41:45,524 --> 00:41:47,700
Well, two and a half million?
891
00:41:47,743 --> 00:41:51,181
That's why God created
personal liability insurance.
892
00:41:51,225 --> 00:41:54,576
And the boatload of publicity?
893
00:41:54,620 --> 00:41:56,491
I love it.
894
00:41:56,535 --> 00:41:58,058
Good or bad,
895
00:41:58,101 --> 00:41:59,799
it keeps me in the zeitgeist.
896
00:41:59,842 --> 00:42:02,497
And it will come in handy
897
00:42:02,541 --> 00:42:05,239
when I sit down
to cut my new deal.
898
00:42:05,282 --> 00:42:07,676
A new deal?
899
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,551
See, people like me?
900
00:42:12,594 --> 00:42:14,770
People who have
the courage to say
901
00:42:14,814 --> 00:42:18,165
what everyone else is thinking
even if we're wrong?
902
00:42:18,208 --> 00:42:21,864
We always draw a big crowd.
903
00:42:21,908 --> 00:42:24,084
[laughs] And trust me,
904
00:42:24,127 --> 00:42:26,434
after today...
905
00:42:26,477 --> 00:42:28,915
the crowd will only
be bigger, huh?
906
00:42:28,958 --> 00:42:31,439
Thank you, gentlemen.
907
00:42:31,482 --> 00:42:32,832
Don't forget
to send me your bill.